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DESPATCHES.
(^ivcriiini'nl IIoiuc, ")
VicKirin, 121I1 D"ct.ii)l)iT, 18Gr). )'
Til llii- U'liioruh'e, Ih- ,Sii,-iik'-r and .Uanhir.:! of
the Lijix'.illrn AiHi'.iiihhi.
(;i:n r:.i'Mi:N — I Imvc ilio liorinr to nckiinw-
[•■•ij^'llH- w-i \\M ..fan Ail.ii-i'.-<.-< Iroiii the i,i';.'is-
! itivi' A.-s. inlny |iiiiviti^ lliii' I vvoiil.l l.iy t; al Id .■iv C'lirJ.vi'll in n-tcnT.re ti)
I'll' I'lii'iii !;-so!ii!io?is wLicli piisitMl ilio
il(lll>H ill J ihlll'I'V l;,>t.''
Witii t:i." iii>Hi I'ani.st d"sirc> to iikh t ilie
■,vi.slio« (,f ilu' L.'Lrisl.Uive Assi-iubly una art'ord
il.ctiil!c.-=t Jnfi)i-iUHliiin on lli^.^.- :sui'jin:ts, 1 re-,
rri-t till!, I ii:n iii-i'i'l iiici] from coin|ilyii)i;- willi
'he cuiiiliii.ihs 01 llioir Adiln-r-s wiUmnt Uie
suiction 01 ll-- M,j..sty's .SeiM't-iiuy of StiUo
lur the Coloai.v-; prcvjon-ily ohiiiincil.
1 now upon loy own i-esponsiliiiiiy lay liclore
"le I!on.;f cxii-acis (;t Despnioli'.'s* "ti-aiismiucil
oy 1110 on llu' Mil Jc't ot llii' Crown :..uiils of
s'aiutonvtr J,|an.J rcl.itinir to tlic in iUci-k trt-iUi'd
nf in iht' I) ■.■;niitcli of IJcr Majusiy's .Sccreiiiry
of .Smtf ii'i'L'iiiiy l;ii<] before llie lloiise ; lint
ihe |iroilui:lion of U'spaiches addressed by nie
10 Hir Miijestv's Seereliuy of Stme on the sub.
ji ct of tiie ••L'liion ivesolutions' either in whole
or III |nu't bef lie 1 imd received "replies thereto
would be 11 inmiilest breach of dnty luiil wliolly
witluinr jirecedent.
The ol jeel of the Lojfisliitivo Assembly in
i!.e luvsi'iit i!ist;-.iie- will be probiibly iittnined
'■y my sialire U:at in iiddres.-iiiir Hir Majesty's
Siereiaiv ..| Siate in .M ireli, l?i;:), I expressed
my d. -liber lie couvielion that the fnion of
'li'se Ocibmii's would be eondnsive to the best
ifitirests ot both, mid my earnest desire thiit
It shonlil in- eoiisniiiinatid.
.\!v siibs! ijiictit expiriciue hiivinf; forlilied
that coh\ieiioii aiid eentinient, 1 continue to be
firmly of opinion that, the Oidonies ot IJritish
rolninbia ai,.l Vaueoiiver Isliiiid should be
united, ai.d that th'. riiioti of them would be
an important me ins of securing their subc-tiiiis
:iiil propr^.-s iiml prosiieritv.
I have the honor to be,
Gonili-nien,
Voiir niii.t obedient servant.
A. K. KENNEDY,
Governor.
[copy.]
Vancoiveu Island, No, 10.
Victoria, 2nd Fcb.-uary, ISGo.
Stli: —
I. I hava deferred replyinff to your prede*
, erssor's I)es[iatcli, No. 5, ICth March, 18G4, in
; the hope that the local Legislature would ac-
.'pt the administration of Crown Lands and
*N 1. 10, 2iiil Kcl.nutry,
l^itli April, ISfio.
18G5, anil cncliiBiireK ; No, '.'S,
thii.^ enable me to adjust this and oth5rcompli'
fated f|nistions coniiecti'il therewith, without
troiiblinir you with their details.
* * " * * * * ;J
"i, I may stale ,'it once that I have not com,
plied wi'li the instruction conveyed in thecoii^
clndiiiir pararrrapii of the l)esp.iicti nniier reply,
namely, ''to ^'ive Mr. Lowenber;,' a valid title to
the land in riuestion," tor tlie simple reason
tliat I have no siieh [lower till the re-coiivpy-
nnce nf the public lands by the Hudson I3ay
('rimiiaiiy to the Crov/n has been completfd ^'.nd
this lias not been vet done, and may 1 fear in
thj present temper of the Letjisbitive Assembly
bo in Iflinitely d.dayed. In Ihe mean time Mr.
Lnwenbergf sulfers no serious inconvenience,
ina-mucii as ho has fenced in the disputed lot
known as letter Z, and exercises the rights of
ownersliip over it, which I have not in any way
disputed.
4 Tile reocipt of the Despatch under reply
necessarily caiijed mo to make nivself acquaints
ed with the clesails of this dispute, ami I am
of opinion that had the circumstances as they
pre-ient th"nis"lves to my mind been fully
Known to the Hudson li ly Company tln-y would
not liavo san"lioned the action of tlieir Aj^'ent
in the sale of this lot.
5. You will <;ather from the accornpanjMng
pariers* and others to which reference is raarie,
that a [liece of land containiiifj ten acres (lot
2'l-, section 18.) was surveyed in 18iJ4, and set
aside as a Gtivernment Ilcserve by the tlaeti
(Jovernnr, wlio had full powers from the Hud-
son Bay Company so to do. This lot was in
consequence of the sale by mistake of a part
of the ten acres, re-surveyed by the same Sur-
veyor Cieneral in 1858, and the same quantity,
ten aer^s. included, thous^h differing in shape.
6. [t is on record tliat Imili these surveys
were reported to the Hudson I5ay (Jompany,
and the quantity contained in the llojerre
stated as ten acirs. The Surveyor General
states (and F think quite correctly) th:it the
rifrht of the HuiNon Bay Company over this
Reserve ceased when it was finally surveyed
and dedicatf'd as a Reserve in 1858.
7. It is admitted b3- .Mr. Mactavish, in a let-
ter dated 21st January, ISGJ, that the lot
"Crovernment IJuildinfrs'' contained ten eicreB.
(See Blue Book, page 59)
8. ')n the faith of this survey, admitted by
the Hudson Bay Company and approved by
their then Agent fXIr. Douglas), the Govera-
raont Buildings, comprising five separate edifl"
ces, namely, .Main Offices, Treasury, Land Office,
House of Assembly and Court House, were
erected at a cost of about £8000, bounded by
the water to the front and by a public street
in the rear
9. In the spring of 1861 the Agent of the
Hudson Bay Company, * * laid off and
sold the portion of the ten acre Reserve mark*
ed Z on the accompanying sketch, thus cutting
*Memoraiii\uni of Oovornor Ivonnecfy, 6tti .Inly, 1864;
(liierii'S of ilovia-iiur KeiuieMy unit io|ilies of j-uwe.vi r
(ion Till, ntli .liino. 18154 ; Attorney (ieneral, llitli July.
181)4; Acting .^urvoyor Oeuenil, li^tFetiruary , 1866.
2]
o(T iiU ingress a:ul i'ij;n'ss lo tlio rciir of thu
public luulJitiKS mil' ii'iiilcriiij; lliein foii)p:irii'
tufiy ViUiit'lfc-ss. The flovi rmnciil lloservu b(i-
i;i),' iinfoiicfil, tUc Surwujr (Jnicrivl lii\il no
U'iou-|i;(l>;c ot Hub Iriuisiutum lill ,I,iiiiiiiry,lHi>'J.
1(1. 'I'lio iiccDiiiiiiuiviiiti piiptTS niimcil iii the
niiirtjiii will tiiiilifi' I'liicidUi' tlif nuitU'r.
II. I wuuld stiitf ill ciHicliisioii Hint. Ilu- iili-
ilraclion ol tlic pie'o of \nud nimki'd h "ti-- /,
troui '.he Ki'Srrvi' rundir.-; ihe |)iitilii.' luiiUlinj,'!)
Hii'l the grouiul on wiiicli llicy .-land I'oinpai:'.-
nvidy v.ihiolfss, and it onjilit to In- iciiiiucd
I V llie Gi'ovvii liy piinliHso or otluT ii\r;in.~, it'
;iii>sale to Mr. l,owfnlic rjr i-'^ I'pld valid.
I'i. It is allfiri'il by till' Attoniry (iiMural (in
lis l<;tti>r 13tli July,'l.''iJ4,) that .Mr. l.owciilieiK
kiicir his title v,-;is que.-;lioiial)li', and tlint an
uniLSiial rovi'nant for ^'oimI tilli' was llnri'ture
nditaintd in ill" lietd of sale.
13. The iifile of this piet-i! of land ( lut /.) is
rejTjrded by tlie public m'lu-rally with tiicat
indignation, and by the Li'!.'islativc A.^.-'onibly
i.s tinwarraiitabli'. (Vide Rosoliitions '-Till
Jiuif, 1804, herewith, No. 1 .'i )
14. It id an unworthy ami will oontinU'> to
be a bitter oause of quarrel between a jjreat
Conipany and the local (Jovernmont, and eoiihi
I think be readily adjusted and a great ileal of
bitterness alhiyed by it~' transfer to the lotal
(lovernuieiit on paving the original anionnt of
purchase money if the Coniiiany desire it. bill,
on whatever terinii, it ought in luy biiiiible
ojiinion, as a matter of bono.' «nd eiinity, to be
rellnqilij^heii by the Hudson Ibiy ("on.pany.
1."). I could enlarge upon this subject consid'
eribly, but I think I h.ive stated enough to en-
able you to form an opinion on the merits of
the case.
16. This que.stion I may state stand.' by it-
Bclf and may be a.ljii.sled without reference lo
other causes of dillVrciice-
17. 1 may add that in a conversati mi with
the resident" Chief Factor of the Hudson Kay
Oomiiany, I many monlbs ago suggested this
mode of adjusting a question which w:is a
cause of bitter contention i oth in and out of
the Legislative Assembly.
1 have, >v;c,.
(Signed.) A. K. KKN.NKDY,
Governor.
Tun Ut IIiiN. PlnwARn C.^rowkii., )
&c., &e., &c. J
[copy.]
Mk.mo.
Send the Despatch No. ,'), lOih March, 1804,
to the Attorney (ieneral and request his opinion
upon this ve.\ed subject, especially in reference
to new mattei which has not (1 believe) been
brought under notice of the Secretary of Slate,
namely, the survey by .Mr. Pemberton m 18.'J4,
and again in 1858! Ills Report to Mr. JiarcUiy
on the I'lllcr date, aiul the full poicer of Sir
James Douglas to lay out and fi.x the Reserve
Hi lliiif jfn'dd, and the Kiilmrquent adiimf^ion by
Mr. Miiel/u-i.sh that the Reserve contained ten
acres.
The Attorney General will refer to the Reso^
lution of the House of Assembly on the subject
of lot Z, and advise mo generally on the legal
lieariiig of the additional evidence in connec,
tion with this matter.
(Siirned,) A. E. K.
July 0, I8t;4.
Lioi'v.l
'I'jje ri.irveyoi General will pleam furnisli ine
with the loliowing inlerniatiou witri ii3 liti.c
d( lay as [mssi'jle:
1 , Is !.)i -.'4. sectior. Ve...
1,S, ilrii on wliicli the
prcs, i.i G (J V I- rniiieiit
litiililiiiL'-' sliiiid ■.'
■J. Did ynii survey the Ves — in ls.'i4 and
lir.'Si'Ul (lov. niuieiil lie- again in 1^■■'H.
.•icrvi'— II to 111 what
date?
::. What nmuber of Ten acres.
MiTcs ilid it ciifitain '
I. W.j'.ld tif sulitrac- .N'o_il would diniiii-
tjou "I \':i- lot known ish the original iinair
iis 1)1 Z :r:,\c the .irigi- lily by the ,ue.i ot /, .
11,(1 i]niui' ny as ui igili-
allv -iirvi'vc-d .'
,".. Did you report the V,-.<— K-t Scpti inber,
survey of' iha- Ri'Serve l^;.i4.
to the lliid-on II. iv C'i'y
and sei.d a tr'cin.' of
the s inie —if so at what
date''
(J. Did vo:i stale that Ves.
tlir Kesi-rvi' so sun eyed
hy you cnntained ten
acres, and that it was
mark.'d on the ground'' 1st Sept, IS,";!, to A.
7. If so, at what date Marclay, K-q , Sec'y ol
did you makn t!ii> re- the Hudson Hay Goih-
port'and to .viioin ? pany, copy of ihe letter
is lurnished herewith
8. H'lve you any doubt
as to the 'whole of that Hiave no doubt that
10 ».rri-s I'.'ing a Gov it was so intended.
trninenl l'e^erve for
pnbl;c biiildintrs ?
0. When (lid the Hud' When finally survey-
.son H;iv Co'v's righted in 18.'i8, at which
over this land'ceasc? period the lines were
re-adjusted.
'0. When was lot 7,
alleged lo have been la the spring of 18'Jl.
sold to r.owcnberg?
11. l.-i it v\ithin the Yes.
limits of the ten acres
originally surveyed by
y u V
12. Was it. under all No.
the circum.'lances with'
in your knowledge, com
))etent for the Hudson
Huy (Jo'y to sidl lot Z
in "March, IHtll ?
13. Did the Hudson I cannot tell; I took
Hay Co'y occupy thisoilice in 18,"il.
10 acres previous to the
year 184'J ?
14 Have you any None,
knowleilge that lot Z
was sold to Lowell berg
previous to the 1st Jam
uary, IB'''^'.'
1,') .\ re you of opin- Yes.
ion that the subtraction
of lot Z from the ten
ftcre Reserve would ren-
der the ground almost
valueless for Govern-
iiient purpo.ses 7 (Signed,')
(Signed) .A. K, Kk.nnkdv J, D. Pkmhkiito.n.
June 17, 04. 17tb June, 1864.
riiri.i?li ini"
ah Hi liUii'
SJH.
t, IdJl, to A,
Csq , iSi.'t'y III
)n Biiy Coiii-
; of llu' Kilter
III hi'icwiili
v> iloubt th,U
iiitciidi'd.
i);\lly siirvey-
;.'i8, nt whicli
H> lines were
;d.
[jring of 18'Jl.
ot tell; I took
1H51.
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•OIlll
ill Ml lu-
II' .11'
ll IllllIM'
■a lit /..
tSq
tiiiihiT, ,
)
). PRMlU^ltTON.
ine, 1864.
fCOl'Y.j
Sfplcinbcr l?t, la.")(.
.1, Hitrcl'ii/, Ks(j , Si'rn 1(1/1/ Ildiihh- llitdxun Ha:,
Cuinpiuiii,
Silt,
■;;- *•»***
In till' tr:nii(f'i'r to tlio Vnv Trmlo nl' f,ot No.
.I'l, Srciion Win, a Ui'Si'i-vc ol 10 ticri'- Inr
tlic liiiliiiiis .«li(iiilil hiiv': lircn Irll ii.s iiiurki- 1
nil ilii' t'ucliifcil tnu'itur. The liiii'.s eiicl(i,-ii ;;
this ID iicrt'S iiro now iniu'l;cil on the groninl
iwui f-lioiili! be Iriiii^lciecl to the eojiies orii^in-
iiliy foi'wiirileil in the (loveriior's I iefpiitch -
* expl'vininK the coinjiletinii iirriuiue-
imnl.-i ■*■ '•■" '"
I liiive. kv.. ,
(Kirrneil,) J. b. ri:Mi;i:!n'ii\.
[o.ev.]
Attorney ('leiK'r:^'? Ollice, 1
l.llh July, 18U-t. /
Sir: — I liiivp the honor to replj in nnswer
to llie ijiierii'i ot His Kxcellt'iicy tlu; (iovi-rnof
(tiiteil l!ie Glh (liiy ot July .^ 1) ISiit Ihi.l 1 h;ive
riuefnlly coii-idered the iniUCer ol' .Mr. Loweii'
tii'ri:'s title to Lot Z and ciuinot lielii comiiid
to the <'()ii('lu.>'ii'ii that tho de-^piite!i ol the KJlli
Miueh 18(>4 bus been wiillen without ii full
Uiiowlcdiie of Ihp history of the lot in cinestion.
Knolosed I retnin the extnicf. truni Mr.
Ptuiberton'.s report to .Mr' A. Biirchiy LSeere~
tary ol the Hudson liny (,'')m|iiiny (iatcd 1st of
September lSo4 enelo.-smj; ii tr.ic.ni/ iniiri\(il
A, this trm.;:iir therein nlliided to i.s the origin-
al triK ini.' of the 10 iicres orifiiiiiilly dedioiited
i;s an Im'' ui Reserve ana so tar us 1 can a.seeix
tain n.n.- have been made from a map at
present in ; " Lund Uflice- Subseqnetnly to Ihis
report iind in the year 18.'i8 the lliiusun Hay
Cumpany thrmmh Mr. J. D. Petnberton (then
bcin;; in tin ir em;doymentl laid oil' on land of
ilieir own. iiiinu'diiUely to the west of the
Ueserve, ,so plotted in the yiiir 18."i4 certain
town lots '.vith a road running; alonrj the we.st
fide of the said Ueserve between such Reserve
and siieh town lots- In layinfr off such road
and lot.s. .Mr. I'emhertoii was instracted to in-
elude in the piece so hud olf any portion of
the froiU'igu of the said Reserve which it
niijiht b" to the Uoiniiany's advaiiia(,'e to in-
clude in such road, town lots, and to
compensate tor the diminution of the area in
the said original ID acre fieserve by addinf^ to
the rearmost portion thereof a strip of land
which would be eiiuivalent in area to that
which bo might take from the frontat^e. The
tracing marked H. enclosed herewith shows
the piece taken from the Irontage of the orifjin-
al 10 acres coloured blue and the coiupen«a>
tory piece added to the residue of the oiii;inal
It) acres from the hind of the Hudson Bay
Company coloured red. Thi.s arrangement al-
though disadvantageous in jioint of value was
agreed and acted upon bj all parlies and
resulted in the ado|)lion of the southern line of
the lot Z as placed on the olFicial map of Vic-
toria town 1 858.
The increase in the are.a of the Reserve from
10 acres to the larger amount of 11 acri'S has
arisen simply from new ground with which a
small bay running in frnni the Harbour in front
of the Reserve has been lilled up, and which
t^as uot inccuded in the area of the original
of a Cupy ot till
ii-'-0;.'n;/',ed a d
sab' of the
IT'JIi. IT'il,
liMl, on a
line of the
ols
7 - 5 ,
Ri'serve and was reciaimed by the Crown since.
The piece of grounil so addi'd to the Rcservi'
w.is luidi'd with the coiiciirrenci' of the .\geiitf
ot the (."oiniiany here acting uiidir a [lower of
Attorney dated 17lh May I8.M enclosed here-
\. iili, ami the addition liiuanie tl.oroajjhly and
inii'liigibly known to them as liie leciiiienls of
oflici.'il map ot IS.'i.H, and wis
raiified by tbeir subsei|uenl
1718, l7Ui; 172D. 1721, m-Z,
17l!(;, 1727. 1728, 1721), n:!0.
line o|)posile to the said southern
Pii'scrve indicated on the Ihids(