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Thooo too lorgo to bo ontlroly kioludod In ono OKpoouro ofO fNmod boglnning In tho lippor loft bond eomor. loft to right ond top to bottom, 00 mony fromoo 00 roqulrod. Tho foHowHng diogromo INuotroto tho _> *^ L'oKomploIro fllm4 flit roproduit grioo i la gonOroalto do? « Metropolitan: Toronto Reference Library Bualness and Social Sciences Departnont Laa bnagaa aolvantaa ont M roprodultoa avae la >^ plua grand aoln, eompto tonu da la condition ot do lo nottot* do ToKomploiro fllM*. ot on o onfot m lf oooo loo oondWono do oontrot do . if^> ^ i ■ 2 . -■' ■ ;■" ■■- ■■ ■■■.*■■ . ■;, ■. .fjr^. Loo anampl a il r a%'^arlglnauji dont lo oouvorturo on ' poplor oot Nnpnmdo aont fNm4a an aommonoont par lo promlor plot ot on tormlnomaolt por lo domMvo pogo ^ oomporto uno omprolmo dimp f oaalon ou'dlNuatratlon. aolt bOr lo aoaond plot, aolon lo aoa. ToyO laa autraa ammplalraa orlginoin abnt fimdo on eommonoint por lo pro m lAffo pogo giii oomporto uno omprolnto ' dimpraaalon ou dlHiMtrodon at an farmfnant par lo dorhUto ppgo giU oompofto uno tollo Un doo a ym boloo airivanta ipparahro aur la ' damMra Imaga da chaqua mieroflcha, salon la eaa: la symbolo -^ slgnHIo "A 8UIVRE". lo •ymbolo ▼ algnifia "PIN". ■ ■ " -'■/. ■■.■ i ■ - ■ ■ ,)/ ■ tM eartaa. planchaa. tablomiiw.iOtc.. pouvont Atro fllm4a A daa tatix da rijductlon dIffOranta. Loraquo lo documont oat trop grand pour Atro roprodult on un aaut oNchA. II aat film* A partir da Tangla aupAriaur gaucho. da gaucha'A drolta. at do bout on boo. on pronont lo nombro d'Imogoa ndeaaaalro. Loa dlagrammaa aulvanta Hhiatrant la mOtheda. / .'■'■' .- I , ■ - '/::-T:;;'': :-:-.2": r :■ ■■ ■ ■ 1 ' ■ ' 3 c* 5 6 ■X :;^'-- -■•^ ^ r -WM, ... -ii -'Vl.^ ■ ," ■ ',^^t h . ■>', ■ ■ ■ .■ ''■ ' S'^S %Hiimk JA* ^ ^mI PATERSON, M.P., 'JrS OV THS ■;!■ 1.--' .T 1?^ 4, •. vjJ ijATEBSON (Bnmt), It has itjto me to liflten to niy it^andto obtenre the ition wbidipoflaeiaed him Ae Iftte Vbattoe Minister. Iimgr find words strong enooj^ ^"^^^Xfj^aaub. o| thathon. gentle. ' irioiui to which he He seemed to labor that my hon. friend r, ib the' nmfrlcB he had tftitoke on this snbjeot, Iha* tended to belittle his hi! olnjiot end his aim #!Bfe7 the land in which ml$\MD^ friend has entii«. i|»tin* and meaning ot ' Ite \m, member foT ^Bldlard Oaxtwxjght). Mineeeh oaMfrdly, or «o tt attentively, he hwi. memhirfor flf «iiv eoontiy «• a >%? :'sf-f^ good country, as a pleasant conntry, ik\ oonntrj of great possibiUtifB, and th» language of dennnofatiaait when mv hoa. fi friend used that language^ mu^isk ^\A. nonaataon of the oonntrY, b^fl^^ dt> ^^ nuociation of the men who^ ^Unaek m magnificent ^xnatiyj with sMi gnaft ^ IMllsibiUties>1)efore it» had nefeHJMMi w^X opmpletelypanlyiEed itsenei|ies. Xh«he4 gentleman makes the mistake of mmoi. ingthat he end his coUeagties are th» ponntiy. Now there never was a mistake than thai There was a u^ here before the hon. gentlemen Sitat] seats on the T^eesnry benefass. I there was a country in many xemM^ mora prosperoos than it has.be^^JSi2 they have taken their pleee« them^M^ when I say that, I tsptt*^ ot«mxi£im^ paraUtely. The hon< gently ' site teem conttnt vken Ih^ cai aaivflteaa^ ia an^ pattiadhv *' " th^ oanr pomt to^ft ilji^ ryf ■.E'J,' '#■■ ■"■ir m if- iptrad witii wiMl Iw, orMz, or afdil .tmutb tmo, \nq^mm. fcknd itm Mlnktor of Fi- ^UMijrMT: SMwhwre Tonratetft- Why, w« ftotaallj hare two ,w»^.* fmmmmi n^sif-^ uAimn tl i' ' »" "^ i'^m'^W/'^^^^'^T^'- jinim ifjt again i m'.v to ^V«*( m Mpport ;thal «||^ mto of iiit«wt had not gooe M tlM imte of httd fito, tho ^•MtotlMm. ^Tho lu)o. gen. Mo MI the fioQM, that the I doplibbonow monoy at far thnn the Domiidon, I an^ I Mgr^Mid Iftuttmanjr other nations »«» do mi; bat he olaimed that Bit of the afiainrof this ttlQo0 brought about a lawer wt Lei na look at the n*- ^> Am; lit Ua euunine where -we WM ii ^ national debt of Can- ajt We httve it in figures given mr the Finance Minister, and I I ^f^ittenlW of the Hoase to them 'the fioitue the atteition of Oar gross debt on, 1st 1866, was •281>3U,fi32. ^ But Minister told us we had ifto tf|o ^ae of 172,791,837, leav- «st debt of $208,522,695, Now, I ^the par capita amount |i5. The nttonan who preceded me said it |0l7 heavy. lotMHote^aMmnlafikli:. that this QovmiBMit katploead Opoillkt ^ coaatieo, and bt the people nottsa fi < fsot tha|L.thongh tkay uMr not and fldrly appraoiate the boxdea ebunt of ^a manner in whioh the are coUeoted, yet each riding has to pay annually the interest upon, ii thefar abate of the public burden, no leas than $98^* 209. Let each riding in this oooati^ lel member that tl]is is ^eir shaie 'of the public debt, and when I am speaking of that I am speaking of the net debt, and I am for the moment granting, whiok I do not orant, that the $72,000,000 are aU available Ond interest bearing osseUi, which is not the esse ^ but to moka my position perfeotty iimnregnable, I take the net debt, giving credit for all assets avail- able and interest bearing, and eaoh riding in the Pominion baa a burden upon it. in addition to al\ other burdens bnposed by the munidpfdity itself, of $988,269. But there are iiome countieo that have two ricU||s, and on each county la^e eli^tagh to be divided in two, tbe debt ia $1,970,611, or nearly two millions on every county of two rid- ings as their share of the Dominion debt, the interest on which has to be toiled for by the people year by year and paid bj them into the public' treasury. But SjOme of our large counties are divided into three ridings, and on each of those oount- ies — Simooe, Huron, Bruce, /lYtork and others^there is a debt of $2,964,777. Let hon. gentlemen realise that fact, ^let them grasp in that form what the pul^lio . debt of Canada means, and I thiidc when they ore next found addressing their com* stituents they will have to assume an idr of greatw seriousness in discussing the question. The hon. member for Bou^ Huron (Sir Richard Gartwright) said b« did not object to expenditure if the money was well expended; and that ia thepoeitioaition. If we had as a result of that debt somethiiiff bf value we could show, if the niooeyhad all been wisely and propeity **'~' — *■ as the debt Ub the SfJ .^ X, w*a i%i ■ ■ • i ■dkhnt MMi to oflbit Ihb ftnunmt of 4Mf Wk»t h*ipew6l W« !»▼• the Iiiltnoloiiia Bailwftj, the iMt aprnkm told vs. WeMv«. Wm all th« debt for tlMfetrQrk#eUezp«nd«dt WMiherepota i«n«rk made bjr the late Miniater of lliianoe himaelf on one oooaaion, that with legard to at leaat eight millions they mi|dii-ae well hate been thrown into the ■M, tiiia being one of the reaulta of the mattagenient of hon. gentlenien opj^te. Auiuitre not been extravagance in al- moat an eadlesa variety of waya in the eonatraotion Ofthat road, and will any one olaini' that we have aufficient value in that railway to reprewntall the money ttild it, and .that it does not represent in its value anything like the coat, and that tiie increased cost was incurred through the manage- ment of htm. gentlemen opposite, who were Iftiljely charged with that undertak- ing, inienwe have our canals, as the y ' hott.°gentlemensay8. And so we have. But % hbn. gentlemen opposite will regret, with me^ that they are not a louroe of ^j^ % great rt^enue to the country; they will ^^jMg)rati with me, that We are not *^^*° ^ ^vail oaneii^ei. of the money invested therein to the extent we might fedi jnsti- flcdin expecting. Then, says the hon. Etlemao, we havo th« Canadian Fh<»fio il^y. We have notfotthe Oanadian PhdUlo Bailway—thereia just ihe mistake. ^tbinoeMmiBteraBirella8thehon.g6n ^l^iiUm who had just tiken his seat dwelt •wifih ft gteat deal ef dnthuaiasm upon the eobpi«$Mi of thai undertakinff, and they j^ id taiolitand to daim that in that i^l^W aob«^ung #hicb it ^*wy mtt<^ '. IP oar hemt^ mmMdni that worthily J ^^hMMitii atiiiie pci^ , aiA t Mltfe the „.,^w,., eao«^ lt» M') hadkmneh elMnpw, . eould have had aU llaa4fM«Hf . many of the dlMidtMilMlfe ^ aooompanied ia ooftkmMmL Bat money haa been expanded, and the try haa been opened op to that exttnll it, and we will only hope tbM wf m?\ leap some benefit from it intheftator^ tfe# j we may receive some reeompense. mIi^s thai does not shut our eyea to the filA; that we might have aoo:mpli8hed work in a much oheap«f manner under ^n^idons which would l^aye the oountry freer to go forward in march of progress. An hon. MEMBER. Not^ a bo«|| syndicate. ^ -^.---^-- Mr. PATERSON. Not with a i syndicate an hon. gentleman tells He thus reminds me that it *^* T*^ inception of this enterprise m|[h««»3 of tlollars of public money, •"« ""j"*^, 6f "wres of public land were throwl;; away. He reminds me that if, adopted the Go^ment plan, prior engaging the services of a comMny, if are to take the statement of Sir 0*" Tupper, who was t^Bn Minliter ol ways, and tho figures of tho right Brst Minister, we mi^t have had rdad built for milliona letai than we for it; If thobe statement* ^and f are to be relif d on, we eould h^ve the road and paid for it out of the ceedsof thelanda sold upto 1890. Ilie gentleman, who hea made «» wj mbout the bogna flrndioat^ hapdmni] minded the Honae ho^* vsmmapj a bariain vre mada with tWa *«■ and I think, if heiaoandid«h»i»ni that we did not be(^ oombM iv tha work progrsaeed. W^ tt*^ ■* rate, that &e puUie debt h«a vMin sndi afigurethat iiMiMiit^'' the greatfit o««tion M t* iaJif. J^ inoraaaed in the fatmitt. Bsrliluin eoiinder the ' , > ^ > : ^^^,^^.-.^v. 'tjM -ft m^ d^mifif 43MWiitifcq?M^*ypft, The }m^^ •Iff ^.-TBW.'- , .L. Ilitti/dotniiMil oftbt ImI tUfe Ifft tfllvvd tl » time,- in the wimdn.' .■ #1 Mr Aflkin, whan deficits art Ml. II WM nok » piMMuit rabjeofc irhot in dMTS gone by, so derided el Fineaoe et th»t time, •afortnnfttely, under • > low nUe be WM unable to make both Bat what lathe poaition oi BOW with r^erenoe to our reoeipta and expenditures 1 Why, eflnd from the Pablio Aooounta aie now before ua, that we havct rfkn^Malyear 1880, which U folly , an eiqpienditttre of over $35,000, plfVithreoeiptaof leM than $88,000 We have the £|ot that hon. gentle- were unible, witb dl the iw taxation they liave levied on ef thia oountry, to make both and they stand in their plaoes eenfiwiiigto 4defiottof $2,240, , M Ikiii «ft«r kll their boasts o! their management; thia, after tbe loftiiair surpluses ; tfaft, after their 'Of being able so to regnlaie t:«Bd finances of tbe oounti^ tvofuld be thiafls whiob would beilKltfd of in the land. And j^wy ik|i4 this ttate w . tbsi.poiirtr^/ «Bd plaess to-d^ villi, staoil 411117 tb«7 made Is^ Ihf peop^ dt ||Mt( ▼iolated; with jUmost erery pM$« aaaUe to point to^oaroe •aiaij^ th«y have done whidi has really I the interssts ol th^ oountry or for they oan claim the slightest credit there they are; the country is mdiiiiig bng into debt and thmr are unable to their expenditure within their but thcgr leave us with their aslipi] deficit this year amonntiag to $4,1 as stated by the Finance Minifliv O ! but he is going to ease us in tl how is he going to do itt Well, just going to take $3,600,000 of tU» fioit and charge it to . ^, i- -- Oapital Aooount. and he is thus going to^redooi deficit to $1,400,000. Will to capite|i aooount. pay itt we rall^ *4P|^ ^t what is capital aocwint is something for we have assete to sboir ; but will we have for this $3,600»i piuiially Uaokene^md ruined graves on the westuii prairie^ ^paspr04aM^ grsal^ deficit was slicing us in tlw and that il («Pii%1»s li^^ JuA* >FlBanefti a I^ 'VI ■-j^#W^^" I j'i uXh V rHyfat » lor Boath Hnros. But h« Mid, Sr raaad Ift tiM bnUn of th« boa. R ■i^ri. frS*' if it bt ftriM that th«ro slurald be * diM*, tb« wadding belli an Kmndinf , cnnge bloMmna 'are being worn, and Ioto ie bolng made in tbe anowi of winter 'and toe tnnahine ct rammer, and by-and-b^e new homee will be itart- iug np ; D^rAnd-bye new oradlea will find tbeir waj to tboae new home*, to add to the 900,000 oradlM that are now being fookad in thia Dominion ; and the ooou- paata of theae oradlea will grow to man- hood and w(wianhood, and thej will bend their eneiyiea to tbe development of thia ooonlry, and hdp to pay thedefidtwbieh haa been ooojured vp by the hon. member for Boath Hnron. I aay the Finance Miniater haa been oonai4tent 1 do not know whether he over-eatimatfd the num- ber of babiea or not, bnt at any rate he haa foond o^ , that tliat deficit waa not '^eoiOarad up w the brain of the hon. BMBbef for Soo^ Huron. He ia face to &oe with it aa an actual fact, and how ia ha going to proceedt Predaely aa he ■ava ua to underatand in June laat ; $3,- 100,000 of it ia te be charged to the 200,- 000 oradlea that are now beiuff rockfd throug^umt the Dominion. We of thia |l«neration will have to tdl to pay Uia inteieot ahow the increaae for in- ■taiMe, & the ooat of dvfl goUwmment, with rogard to iHii^h hon. gentlemen Mjpoatte weire i»o loud in their denuneia- lm» when ihiar aat on thia aide of the Bovie. Bat I will take the item of '\.^,'.:: Tttiiirtgrrtipiij Iiatoigf tto IfipiiNwi of the 4t^ , Widf biM tititriy vaoUoM in * day aneudliiiia ai aMMtv Ibtf thai ' I ohafge than with Bavi^ millionaof tho peopla'a achieving any good raaolt do it in the aame spirit aa the hon. im^^ ber for Booth Huron (Sir Riehaid 0^^ Wright)—* spirit more of aorrow tbaa «f ' anger. I akould rejoice if th^ ooiM ■how some result from the expenmtuieif that money ; but take the oaoaua retail prepared bv Eon. gentlemen onwait»-. not American slatiatica, but tneir owa figures, and what do we find t Why, ia thia Canada of oora, which ought to bt able to retain ita own population witUa its borders, we find that daring the kit six years, When we ought to have bad -Xi natural increase of 2 per cent, per aonia^ on a moderate estuqatoi we had only sa increase of about 1| per cent. ; an^ !». achieve that reault we qpent, dariM thoee six years, $2,403,866. 8o that sS the immigranta whom we have broo|btj into tbe country have diaplaced natiie- born Canadians, or have left the oountiy^ and a portion of our natural increase baa- gone with them. That ia jihe leaalttbi^J the Lon. gentlemen oppoaite have bsaal able to show ftrom an expewHture of t«e> i millions and a half of our money. If j I have stated what the imaugil*' tion retuma show we have got thia expenditure. We are in a posit Ur speak a little moro definitely this y than we havi been hitherto With to the increaae of popnIiUion in the vinceof Manitoba and the North-Wi Tenritoriea. Hitherto we_haVa had rdy on eatimated fignrea made by the Di| |)artmant of Agrieoltnre whioh the "' later pledged to be oorrsei Today atand in the light of revealed fiota i tained by aotnal ooowt in tho eov and whatdoweAidf lavaonrtoi that the facta raveai a stale ol i whioh hoagratleBen opfntii^ ibl with hon, fsntleaNta on tUa dMo M Honaemuatragrat. Ii figiM bdbaoae the X&Wvaf tinpce in pnnrer |p a day^ iltted thai 'I 1. ■*« 't^-^i: C^Mlk. ,4>4^J^aJ :wDk (w MMfo Ilia if wUoli h» thooiglit WM ft tmAmUjt for th« •tatoniMit tlMt iynwlation of If at ProTisM wm 1 10,- Os b«t I talM tlM Minitter't itatoment ^'«l m,000, whfoh formfld the \md» for ^kft ttmuummni bAtwaen the Dominion Midi that Plroirinoe, and whioh I will th«r»- !• oorreot Then, we learn, 1^ aeiaal ooant, that the three dia- of the NorthWeat contain 48,363 i; eo that the total population fa Manitoba and the three dittriota of the North- Weet, inolading Indiani, ii 173,868. Now, aooordina to the oemne ef 1881, the population of tJiat oonntiy ^>»aa lS3,40a What is the reault t In 'if« jvare the population of our whole I^^Vom^Weltan^the Proyinoe of Mani- ■^loba haa inoreaeed jurt 80,968 eoula *1lhatiathe.reralt of fire yeara' labor; 'Ihii ia the reault of the expenditure of PMailj two millione and a half of dollars % prahote immigration ; thatia the leenlt f%m thill 108,440 alleged by them to Tiato thoNoirtli-Weatoatmot bo u*WheraaretheytWiiy,8ir;al« Jf^^fl^ U>^ OMKJastop tl^t the }^!l^j-ptMm»n^ opfmH^ their' ilAio ifone popvlatioa of thai ttrrlloiyover 108,060iOiilawUhfa ll^y Ave year«l thay must lake ana hH^or I other of the dilemma ; they havo dl' driven thai number of People oukct country, or the reports tftey have , ted to this House have been him «fij mialeading. The Minister of i^riMl.;. ture is bound to aooount for these Wfl^ 440 people. But, Sir, have w« any; means of aaoertaining what population wi^ ought to have had in that country al thtii tiinel We have. In 1860 the JRmk Minister gave us a calculation of Iho^' settlers we might expect to go thera. H* gave us a table showing that there wat» to be 30,000 in 1881, and 5,000 addi- tional iu each year afterwards ; so thai by the end of 1880 there would, aoeotd-. ing to his calculaUco, have gmie iatot&at. country 900,000* soola Now. thoo» 200,000 souls— and it was a moderalo- estimate on his part— added to tho 122,000 there, when the census- waa taken, would have made 322,000 aonls^ while we have actually only 178,868 there. The First Minister thondit thia estimate waa under the mark, jndgbtg ty the experience of the Wflwtom Stalsiu. when he said that in 1880, 00,000 sottlma wouldgointothatconntry. Howmanyao. tnally wefitint The Minister of AgriouHvi^ gave us the figures the other day in replyr to an hon. gentleman opposite him, and they were 7,240 souls. Id this way ha**, the predictions of hon. gentkmen op>^ pooite in reference to the seitlemcikl 4t thai country been verified ; and I aay> tiiere is no more disdoutaging featuio in our country to-day thMi to look at tha- expenditure of money lor immigmtfoik purposes and the railway expendiunojh^ that country, and then to find, that in that fisrtile, that magnificent country, A^t , ooontry unexcelled by the Weaterndtatsi^ we can only see a paltry addition ol 60,^' 000 people to the population as tho Monlt of five years' work. After rcoess I ihaU ^ be able to show by the Finfc Mfiikipl^ own statement, the relative fnniiMsi ^ the varioaa Wfttem Btatea ; aoi the Hooae .iHtnawai tha inthow QjMsi under psaoMf . Mi'l to Omm In oar •tm oovMlry , Mid rwrol tboy moat fool mnr mUkh^gmiAymSmnmA whm thoy ooih- «ifiir «lw ^PMl fiMUiliM wo hoTo kftd (or iipalif op Ikfti ooontry, and how uttorlj vik have Ikilod, from tho inoopodly and vyoauMiofoaMnt of the gontlomen who ^oeaijU* TrtMarj bonohea ■■.■? Xt bting atx o'clock, wOhair. the 8p«ftk«r lofk Mr. PATERBON (Biant). When 4ho Houae roM at 6 o'olook, I wm point- ing Ottt what ooold not fail to be a matter «C regret to the Houae, that we have only ^^Mbflttded, daring the 'paat five yean, in rutjlfaffanwr 60;000 more people in^ the NoHh^eat Territoriea and in Manitoba. I had mentioned that an eattmate aa to tho probable immigration to that ooontiy made by the Premier in 1880. If I to tho growth of aome of the Weat- 8tatea,fwill not be liable to the ^hwge of want of pairiotiaor, or of oom- fpring ooradTea with,thoae Sti^ea with a to dknarage our own coantry, be- I ahiil but give the fignrea Uiat given tO\4he Hooae by the Flnt diHniiter himaall The figuraa that he ^pTO to ua at that time, when he aoiuiht tojmtify hia anticipation that 200,0iD0 ^irtwld have entered that country by the araar 1880, were baaed upon the bei of m Inoreaae of the ^iqmlation of many of fltetaa. Heg|ve the inoreaae and liMme^ated among the 8t4tea.Minneaota, ^T000 r». proaantad tan yaara, and ao ll dU, while I am oomparing a pariad of Ave yaara with raf araaoe to our popnla* tion. And it may be aaid not to be fdr to take one-half of the 3,6SO,000 aa the gain that we might raaaonAbly expeit tbero, inaamuoh aa there woaMba the aa- taral inoreaae during the paat AVe yean,' and I quite reoogniae thai (but Butt think I am wholly within the nark if I aay we might fairly expect to have had within the five yean placed one^uartar the amount that waa placed in the aaoM area in the United Statea in ten yean. Had we done that, had we plaoed ono-qnartar only in the five yeara, we nhould have had 638,750 people then inataad^of OOr 000. ^ \ Mr. HESSOl^. We had not the laint population to draw from. Mr. PATER8QN. Why, tho hon. member knowa that wo have been told time and again that the United 9tatea are availing theoMelvea of our ter- litorv in the North-Wo«t, that thair people are flooking into our oooatiy. He knowa that pur landa there ara thrown open, and wo' invite not only tholnhabi* tanta of the United 8tajkao bat of evoiy oiviliaed edtmtiy on tho globe^ M under theae oiroamatMioeo we havo anoMaded in putting 60,000 pooplo into jui afeain which t^ Americana, aatiirtatlftg fbr thaaa a p riod of fiveyean alao^ wthdd have nut 6.!S,750. Wvill, now, wo wot* told by till* lion, oenlleman who pfaoodod me t^ at it waa an unfa r conparaibnionakir, bfil9 Mfr M 186a Going h>A ii^ tt!6>»ill#^iN ^ '.WoaitHii otana'ao'yniMriii'f^pi' tliMwaiinwpartei^milillii tlnn Ham an; in'thtvlNrlil^l^^^- flik^^^i ii^i^^^iLJ/. ^^MMi^^ ' /^-K - wt"- ■-?» ■» i <« .«y^ i^H. : ,p._ 1P^ 1* \ «^^ ^<* IMt 4|li4toVi« ^ liberate attempt to mislead the House and the public. Why did the hon. gen. tleman, he said, not take 1876-77, and ha would see the rolume <^ trade had In- creased from that year to 1880 by so«a $80,000,000. True, the hon. member hr South Huron (Sir Richard Cartwright)' did not take t^t^ vear ; tmSL there was some increassd Tolume of' trade between 1876-77 and 1888. Bi^ the ho^. gentleman who fbund fault wdl the hon^ member for South Hufoa Idbow he was taking a year which was almoil a ihmine year in Canada, that ha Han taking 1876 when the wheat crop fc«^ > for onoe in Canadian histoiy, and I' believa only onoe, and wa had aotoalty to import brqad to feed our own people ; te was taking a year when trade waa paift*: lysed, whAi our Inmjbeiing luteraitt Irila jieralysed on sooount of ^the state of tiad# la the United States, whieh ara oila greatest onstometa, a year which was oit of the dullest In trade not only ia '' oountry but ahnost in the iMidcC *0 ' that we have iaonassd 9ut tiade^im Hunn did petMfy ^-"-^f om to tW .?•■>■ ''MMMtiMi^i v-J^ '^ "jy* r? •'~'\'tii: #■■• ■ ■'■■■"-i'^'ilJ 10 i '.. m :>':if' ;«i m W78 iMi :%«!•» oi Imde M yn had in ^v^ IHMM 7«wr, ••nd looking' at 1 876 77 doea iMrt iUtiir. the aspfwt of the queiition. It hm^nsrtt matter for the oonaideration '«f«llifi people, no mattf^r what mter\'ea- iagjmn there have been, that in 1885 tfifAtr tlie management of hon. gentlemen ia upproaohing stagnation in trade. ^ hon. member for Oardwell (Mfr llTbite) did mit allude to a certain other io&ktter to which I desire to i^ef, but it WW.ineideBtaily touched upon by the • . IFiniuiee Minister in his speech. It is . iwther amusing tlmt it did not receive taMeufeion because hon. gentleman op-- ,poBit« know and you, Mi*. Speak- y -- V lay. tlMf w«w -iwt , alfe^WVi^,,.^ Uie balance of tnwl«, Ht^httA m^i^^ existMl in 1879 were^ napanJld*! ift the history of Uie country and nn aq n a Hed by tlie dullest times un4er the Maekeniis Government. It appears that one year afterwards tho (ii||^nmeiit ware uiuU>le to make the balance of trade agree and we exported $1,600,000 ,more than we imported. It will be remembered how that year we liad the true causes of pros- perity pointed out, and how tliat prosner- ity was going to be miiintained. What was the result 1 Next year trade began to improve somewhat, andj^hether they had lost the secret of maintaining an equilibrium 1 cannot toll, but they had a balance of trad& against them, t|iat fear- ful thing which prevailed when the lion, , mcnnber for South Huron (Sir Bidianl Gartwrighi), was in in office, tht amount reaching 17,000,000 ; in 1882 it " rose to $17,000,000; 188.3 it broke loose and went up to $84,000,000 ; in 1884 it was $25,000,000, notwith8tanduu( all tho efforts of tlut Govemm^t ; In' 1886 it was$20,000,000i andfor themontbs whioji have eUpsed in 1886 the haluioe is still against us, and so it gowk Sir Leonard Til- ley dedarad inotne mhia speeolieB that so soon as-a man's etpendifcartinaeaiedb^ yond his income poverty stared ^m in thB face. Soif yonhadaaadyianebtknoeof trade agaiavtyou, povertiy will stwre thena. tion in the face. That was the pnndple up- on which they worked ; tha« was the pim- ciple they laid down, and I aaktlbtmhow they can, in the fiMse of that dei^MatiiMi,: raoonoile ^ese s ti i t e m «i|a with the fiiit i that the balance «f trade a^ubiit , have agpcej^atedin the qpao^ x?l.fiTeyei>i thesom^f $ld8»0QQ!,00a With vefai^ enoe to the bilaho» of trade biting igaiiMl U8, 1 would point ont that the vavenig|| annual baknoe of trade ifftMnst ip ibr tliif| five yean of theae gentlemen apt«(Mly e£|| ceeda the annual aversgoi <>f '1' ' * * of trade agauist us enrev niieiiv tion, taking tlu (pgaraifCtlM ; Onatomahi^Mdl Themm yean itfioe OQafe4«v;lionJkfii^ M^ ^c ^;W'. Pa.' S^tttk Bm (Mr. IWIflto) lovht r ' UkaniJMa sboni tliui» „^ I iMMW wi doubt he g»te Wiy leamMtlMttivM abonft th* , Ulmnot y titd^ and how impoiublo it would be lirik ooioitiT to pvoBpor with the bdanoo 6htmi» f^puoMt us. I oftU hk Attention t» the figone nHbidk I have given as ihowfaig the condition of things into whkh ive h«Te^l)een brought by hon gen- ttom opposite. I now wish to draw your aHentioQ for a moment tp the 'state of 4|uie *-'C in the country. We have' had state- ments mado by the hon. gentleman who pwoeded me, is well as by the Finance Ministebr, with reference to the state of tntde. Tbnj have beeii forced to admit Ithat it is not quite as satisfaetory as it jriMuldbe^ but stilU they say it is in a baiter condition than it was a few years ago. Well, as I said before, we do look ffiirsome iDoiprovement; we do look for •Oase increase in trade caused by the L^nitnral increase of our population. It is ' not to berl^ought a very wonderful tiling . dkaft we can hmd our 'OWn and prevent OwselvesfWmi going U^ in^a country Oie tilia But what I want to pmnt out ; Wthe hm. gentleman is.this iiaot, with 'ffforeuae to the manufacturers of this r.eo ugt* y > that they hi^ve henUded so loud- ly, havo been benefitted so 'much by the >:#|Mcation of their twiff — I ask them to look at the effects of that taiiff on tio exjport of manufadUred goods, i^ tO^ tell me and tell the countiy whe- ' ilMP our expwt trade is in the healthy '^•^ it is not encouraging. I can jmbvl* tlu^ in 187dj Ganada occupied i«t «a proud position as a manu^Ms* luilng oonntiy, for so young a nation. I iaii yemember that our exirarts ^kHyidfiMtttied goods equalled some ps||i.ttl#^4004 1 can ' remeuben that we fc nariiionat th» exhibition at frjdm4'dHittinMil tbeAualnlianoQii as a result of thai' tiade with these ookM^ . Canadian mannfaotursa goMs. have a. tariff wl^oh hoo. gwHei site boasted was daaigaed to hav»* fidalefl^upon the manalMuvei*^ country, but whete are yovr «qw manufaetured goods to»day1 Am^. exporting as many to^y asywa* IB78. No. Have you exported since the tariff was put in or you did before 1 No; the d been great and marked. We aie about 25 per oent less t»day did in 1878, and still they daim i have c(mferred inestimahie ad _ upon us by their tMiff Look at MMi|il|^ the items. In the important itaw agricultural implements, we oxi ' 963,861 less last year than w« 1878. Bi8ouits--thoiiands d less; candles land soaiv--less; — ^^ $40,000 less; clbthing-^nearJy fM less; glass «uMlV|0a»iwal«, gnnds* pig iron — a decrease ; leather, fi^il less, and it is one of the latgeat we had. Boots and shoes were a- manufocture, but we exported $!( less in 1885 than we did inl87t.r . cakf^— a great reduction ; diips soWk other countries $971,000 leas than 1878. Why, we all remenilier th«| kte Minister of Bailways, Sir '^ Tupper, when he was sittii^ in' tien to the Mackmzie Admiiifl pointed out the declining state shipping trade, thd deserted slr^ and We remember how lie asked; mightbereatored to ofliee that th«^ the hammer rok^t be heard Onoei tlieee deserted i£ipyardB. HowiaHl Of idups sold to foreign countrieli i were nearly $1,000,000 less Ijg^ than- th«Ni were in the yeaT;'*'*^ himeuted the way iit which th^ zie Administration was treattag, dustry. Steel miinttfMtiiieiM^ ing. Butlneednotgoo^'iltih^ lias (mly to say that there ia ^ deeieaiw in ^ f*—*'*^ JS j ^ m [trm tlMi«~Mr -\ J^fP'P^^^P^^V^^P^ IS iiMiraMi,lmiihe lam totel lalSW to «E|Mrt $8,18I,0O6 J|i while io 1878 we exported $4,- r^ik^**** ^«f*fc' And, Sir, with thtt #«*»^thingituiiigiuiiii the hoe, we *^the|1iiMioe lunistor taking four or ^^^hmim to apeak about the finandal Stmioii <3r the conntiy, but did he give ^:m OMpiaotioal hint how we should ar- IMM natters so that the foreign trade of vApMoontiy so^ht be developed t We rPj** • p«fod orstagnation in our midst; |*"*^^» ftetories and we have skilled •^1% bat has there been any pioposi. 90 his part to open up markets for ^^ '^f oodt elsewhere,- to enable us to ex- 'f-f-S' manufactured goods to other j^ftamitties so that our artisans may have :fiWyn»«* I Why, Sir, in the Esti- ®J? fe?/^* ^^ ***^ '<»' f 10,000 iffeRalMish commercial agencies. What ^ J5*4il"« with that mon^ t They made * thi statement that it was intended to open -fSP a market and help the export trade of .piir manofaotttred goods. Were there MFODrnmeidal agents appmnted and if ;^#aN*wk8(rpoi]itBt Has any efforts been l^5*w;**th ofiher countries to extend mtt |l«l4e t Whi^t has been done 1 The Fin- M|f Minister is mute^ He sees our ex- P^^Jbrade is defining; he asks for this #Wi!y to estebflUi commercial agencies, ^*%1Miat]ii^je they done) He is silent ^|hat '^Qeftaon, and while he talked on pother thiiu(s we failed to hear him ^jhat he had any'femedy. Sivfwe '^ our export trade opened up; we > tQ have themar^to of other nations, tw^ want Jiim to teke steps to secure ^ H he wants the export trade de- i» and if he maintains the tariff as ^.exists, and if he persists in taxing NiPBUiteria], in making the manu- ■^"-^ products of this oonntiy higher •od if he will not give the I whiui he promised to those ■^ fwimf fi ot nriiM; and eamorting to. ^i9M&tcki,Iten him hewmkill "-^ '^jififoA trade we h4ve. He >diiawbMkyiiMt yet wi«A ilBiManMgidiiilkt' met with teohnioal dtAtdtmmr^^bu are put off and their trade is d^ •way. In mj own ci^r, wa have as enterprising a firm as thsie is i& the Dominion. At their own expense, th«v exhibited At the different intematioiial ex- hibitioos; they have sent agents to Rus- na, Hungary, Austria, Chili, in South America, and opened up a trade with these oqantriesi They did it alone and lUMided ; Canada had no ageota in these countries, and they had to seek the help ef th9 British Ministets, and as a young iOAp, a member of that firm, who was oyfmi there told me, he sought the aid of the British Minister to help him in opening a market for his goods; he was met very kindly and courteously -as any one is sure to be m^t by an English gen- tleman. Buthewasalsogiventounder^ atand by the British Minister that Ca^ •da had imposed a tariff, and a heavy tariff, upon goods from Britain as well as from every other oountrv— that wliile he be glad to aid a Canadian if he could without jeopardising British intensts yet he could readily see that his interest would not be to put Canadian manu- fectured goods into competition with British manufactured goodsi l^os the exporter was lef^ to struggle alone. Al- though they did open up a market in Ohili, and are trying to hold it, , yet whenever they present their bill of drawhaohe made under the kw of the land, they are met with tecfanioal objections, that tiMj do not comply with the law; and when they say it is ^yond the booudt of Ma. ability to comply with the Utw, then iSm is a hitch. Thus our export trade is. (fying and languishing, wfid there ia^|io help for it. The mannfaqtnrecs do not ask a helping hand; th^ oaily ask that the kw should not fatter them, j^nd tWr do notgeteven that. I think th«^^ ttWB are eloquent; and if a lew of cS^^ ' ' hthiMl deyoted tbei^iiiBi lo ^ew^tttof hoi^ to imwiMi^ tli ^«pe^ '^"''^H Hf "*" jrilj^l ^Kihseai {j^^^ ^9R^ ^■B^'v ' 'I'^H H||riag( f v~j^^^H IHiisr in '.''^^1 lljhiap > ,^^^1 IBpinroi ^i^l Bpst in . ':^^^^l |U|ij|v .In ''.Vl^^l HBMld ''^^1 lEtweii 'u'rK^^I Hllthatt W^^ Vt^i/s^^^H Mr?' **' ^'^^^1 Hpjjiac i^iSI^M Hw'to ''^^^l ■Ipitb .i^Jj^^H ^p.: iupii '$.'^^^1 ^H^'' -'^ '^'yW^^^I Hpidi>:ai Ht'faflia H^'' TH i lioTMnttDlha, *•» I^IJ ,(?... 4„-'* itlM» IfW Hm ImMl genUtr jbi pw>e>ch d me, , irbtit bmvB, pointed oat pm9 not expdrang beottoie •11 Buarafftotimiig for the bat unfortonately that is and Iwill prore it by allowing Imports veiy artiolM whioh we are manu* for the home toarket, have been ill ^886 than they were in 1878, (k proof poditiTe that the mana- > of thoae goods has not the hrnne in 1885 to tin same extent that i]i( 1878. Take the article of ^•lid dicea. It is trae, that in that ^ we imported in 1878 $49,838 wortb wo ^d in 1886 ; but certainly not come nj) to the amoont of mtiweiqMrt trade. There^ ^il^i»:not the increased home markot pievented oar being able to boots and shoes .to send C^oarriagMi we imported $66, rmoreinl8S6 than we did in ^ 4I» carriage -makers, therefore, [aol had an JDc reaso d home market. ;|iiietihe mason they have been to export as many carriages in thej did in 1878. lUro leather, iMqiibftaiit ite^ thoK^ export of 1i I have told . yoi^ has (wd ire find thi^ the imports f420,00a in 1886 over *Biig» MwiDg madunes, that luge iadostry. TVh^ two or I ago I ipdinted oni how that ijnui 8aflbrin|b I remember how tniiaa^ who has preceded me 'Twith *°letter firom a sew- iii»nafantnrwr in Ifontveali mmi-mUh. great gosto to the millMSAiMMilAiaik-^ policy ipilinimfintp hid given gresl^help ""' f«fl4 thit tHe writer was rai- IwildBiilid vrcnkiog over iMMj the :atrt» of the J, wUd^indi^ I ^mwimidi qf handii S" 7^1 vaflbiaes, at * valoe of ft wheleas i|» 1878 we impoited 6J06i';ii% ddnes at a value 6t $101,404 ; so tht*$i the year 1886 we actually importadu under this tiuiff that was to give the home market to the mannflMrturer, no. less than 1,663 machines more than we imported in 1878, at a value of $67,743, and many machine qperativee in the oonntry are out of work — why t Beoaaai» tiie manufacturers have a printable ex- port trade) No, I am sorry to say. In the year 1878 they had, but in 1886 they have not been manufactaring, bat have been idle. The fi^^ores. of ei^rts tell the tale. In 1878, whilst iiijpplyiiigtiie home market to a greater extent thim we are doing now, we exported 30,429 "«*fl)|fMg at a value <^ $278»268, a magnificent ex- port in that one line ci liaangfactared flmxfak That was the conditimi that in« dusfaty was in before these hon. gentlemen attained power. But since uiey have been in power^ andwr their bUghting in- fluence, or from MHne otHer caaseu and if they claim the credit for everything that is better, they must be debited with wW, is worse — instead of exporting 30«000 machines in the year 1885, we exported 9,418 inachines ; and instead of get^^g , $273,000 of foreign gold brought into Uie Gonntiy as the ramlt of the sah^ we brought $69»236. Such is the condi- tion of t^it trade under these hon. gentle- men. Mr. HESSON. Will you say there ii a less number of maohines made f 1&.PATEBS0N. Well, I do think this would xaUi^r indicate ii ' f ■ \. ■ ° ' . -•-■■■... ■ -■.**".■ "■-■•■ ■ ' ' ' i ■■ -J ' Mr; HESSQtr. It indicalei oar ptofib are osing them in Um ooontry. Mr. PATBRSON. Then is ft laigit import in 1886 than in 1878, and OMfiH ^ asmalleresqiKMrt; It seems to a»i U#:|d rather pomfm the diiytioy j»ifctbip^ '■•'m ■/.:jfi » ■. ■> .u\ 4 isi km mamber made li| th«^^ Win* wiMa the hoa fintlimx ■>f^;' VII fel', i: ti!' E^'- ^ili fflMDM Ifitaister dw«lfe upon tlir iMHKttl lih twiir hM been t6 Ihe fMMMft I will tooeh that later on, bttlin Ihe mean time them ia an IndttBtrj frtdidi oonoDnis the larmera as well m vemment asked that a duty should be put on the JlJneiioaii flour in order that our people ahoitld be omnpelled to buy Canadian fleur made out of Canadian wheat. Have wa aoeomidiahed that t . In 1878 we im- porM'of American flour 314,520 barrels. 'thieu the Government put (m their tariff of fiO cents a barrel to prohibit, that eomiag in, and, notwithstanding that in 188& wa imported 540,108 barrels of Ameikaik flour, or 225,086 barrels more th«niiti878. .Was that to the benefit of iln fiMnners 1 Did that benefit the Cinadian millerl Thciiti they were going . to iMHUfit the coal incmstiy. What has b^en tte result of tfaeibr efforts in that diveMioir, iliwMdi they daim a great deal ef brcditi , Let na take, iirst, the , iflj^MMTlalioiis of 1 ^ - Ck»al atiA CkA»» iaAwhait dvwHiiMilt In 1885, we im- potted 1,963,948. t«ns ; in 1878, we im- iMtM 896^49 to^maldng^iiiflMased impdrt of coal in 1885 orer 1878 of 1)057,502 tool ; ^ in other words, we kMr«'a& insteaiodi import of 118 per ewt on ooal in 1885 over 187a Yet hfn. geatkqmen designed their tariff to lliilrottt thit'itapqrtation altogether, in #* fliKMrliiMini^ people would Iteve to get ' teliliwil frnii thT Maritiiiie Froviaeea. adMi ia tite eaat peeuUar waj"^ thMHiglb the tariff, to espott their ««lpiil; 1885 we find that they etpttrtod 479| tom>, and, in 187«^4W exported * 127 tons. Thusi w» had an im export of coal in 1885 over 1878 cf 579 tons to set off against^ tha in import of 1^7,502 tons. In words, our imports increased 118 cent., while our exports inoreaaed biit«^ pet cent. ; and thus it is they have b«|» fitted our cwJ industry. ^ l^ow, altin this duty on flour and'tfai* duty on have failed to aocompliah ',i^t gentleman said they would, have not failed in one rtipeot. had given the Oovamment aa amo revenue, for there was fpald, byway taxes on ooal, in 1885, $1,078,161, byway of duty on flour, in 1885, 054 ; or a total duty on flour and amounting to |1,842,21A. Mow, these gentlemen, with their $4,900, deficit, place the tariff at it waa placed the hon. member for South Huron (I Eiehafd.CartwTight). If thnir floor- omA dntiea were wiped out, ^e have, instead of a deficit of $5tO0(^< for 1886, a deficit of ' $6,800,000 ; evrai after having taxed everytiimg can lay their hands im, they have sa this country with a deficit greater by double u^ that was ever knowil in darkest admiiustration of tfaa^ hen. ^ tlemanwhom they so much revttefiDr departmental miimaaag(»aeat,'as ue ideaaed to term ii Mr.HBSSOK. tea and coffee t What about doty Mr. PATBRSON/ My hep* is moiM^ again. - To paea htm matter haaUly, I eome n^> to Hfliei' a few momenta the prapeaed' ^ ^> '«f^ g^^mdi^^ 1^ inow i ed impor- if0i0thmal^m$mim^mmm, if-^«ttr There ia aomething iki$l^^'ptmm:^f^ Itaeenatoi»tt|li4h«i»^> tac^wiii^-' ^mF'-ss^*me*- ^V"^- ,<4 ^>ifimf^£aSi tiTiV r tivtoo: ' m inoi 1878 of 11 . In uwd 118 jfM ireMed but 4l[| lej hare htmji Jo«r, alt I d^ity on I 1 '.i^i would, ' §7- '* ■■ id, byway ,078,161, > 188«, lour and % Now, »ir 14,900, waaplaoei i Hunm (I Uwir floor «*♦ we of 95*000;i ,800,000; rofytiia^ f havd gmAxtchy known in faa^ kon. n«it, m tatl alWat dvtyj f hm4 Dd w«* #*» #»./*► wiftk Idin Iht t]M^ aM bafaig foekad in thtae I Minn to ma it i« tiuki Ihey diould he held re- kfiir thia detioii to the extent of •|000, to niHet which they will liave l>whan they grow to manhood and , without indicting on them rdan while yet in their cradles. How Oof mna( theatrait be in whijh the loe Hiniater finds himself when, in to oompelling them to shoulder binden when they veaoh mature he actually, wtiile « they are peacefully in their cra- aoooiding to his^ graphic descrip- of last yeaTi increases the taxes on iogra and playthings these little ones Even these childish playthings are eiemnpt from the hand which a re- fatei compels him to stretch out teac ererything it con grasp, in order hmwukj ndttoe somewhat his deficit. taxing floor and ooal and leaving I liart of the deficit to be paid by those "dun. when they reach maturity, he to WQckaskl adds to tho play/hings' oorered with a 20 per cent duty, fMr o^t^ in order that the poor little may ftel the burden in their I|e haa adjusted the |W« will diaousi that matter more partio- in. OjOmmittee, when we we will get Inforauttido. from the hon<, gentlo- aft to how he opnsiders his new ar- ktwiUirork. I, lookiug at the and subject to revising my whoa we have more in- firaim the hon. gentl^an, and to ^amina more dornly in the oom- ineUne to this view, that he ttwtociaUj ^eq^haneed Hm duty on My inl|MesBioii is he iosay seoure i^llke $5490,000 axtm duty out »^idl« ho hM done^t, he will \,tJbo OQPAimcHr, great as iraa oC' d)H^ he '^*§a"»^«f?! __,^l|o pi|y more aotualfy in %» f^-^^mSf^'^ ftl^rifio|mii& twi liliiiii |MiimiiiH m^lf- imtk ^ the «x»«ifi|#$ pttmBk, have flgaied It out oorreeHy §$A US tends to exact a duty on Anarisa»'-|, ^ ulked on the long instead of th»-ilMi< '^| priee, which is, I suppose, his IntatttiMi* and which, I suppose^ if Uie relhMn<«afc' hiuij to do he wilt do-otlieduty on Am^ ericMi granulated sugar coming into tl|ia country, under this tariff aa now arranfid, will be more than 1 00 per oent ; abd Um people can have some idea of what thtiy are paymg towards the taxea of Jha oountry on that one article. Yet^ J mxp' pose I will find gentlemen here who will not hesitate to risk the statement thftl sugar is as cheap as^ever. Mr.HE!SSON. Hear, hear. Mr. PATBRSON. A sentlefuan opposite »ftys '^hear, hear," and he is one of the gentlemen I would expect to heat - , \^^i it from^ and he is about the only gentla> ' man. What has the qoe^rtion of wTwthar sugar or any other article is eheaper aaw m than itwas seven or oij^t faara -,i^i|i> 4^' do with the question) Do not i^oaa rise and fall t That has nothing to d« with it, but the question the people interested in is : if that duty- 1 wiped Off American granulated, thflf; would ^t it at one-halt the price thM; they can under the tariff. Hon. gtnllsi- men have kpoken of the effect of tlMif policy nponthe * t , ^ They .daim the workii^(claitn8 hnn^l neatly b^piafitted by ^,; .'^** .%47 *>«l 00 m Tttttavt^ biifc when onoe Umt WkioioiM, Hmj i»»ra dn)pped br emr '^^.' K'^-' MijMitleiiMn,Mid no one 'ever ventureii Jo •Uvdoto tliem ontU the Finance ICin. irter of UHlny (Mr. MoLelan), in • mom- ent of dire neaeMdiy, allnded to them. At* we to Moep^ those etatiatioii, prepared nt the odat of thonannds of dollars tolhe Ommtiy last- year, and which were con- dosiTely proved to be utterly unreliable. whoUy false and misleading? Was tt not pointed out last year with wweiioe to these statistics, that •f*«*Uy they gave an increased pro- I™ , 5?®"®** «<>«^ amounting to mm! million dollan, while the import or xmw material was actually less than it irwrn 1878. When these things were pointed out, when it was shown, bv tfa^ importation of the raw material, that it vwag impossible to have had" the extra unoant of goods mann&ctured which thej^aU^ to have been miuie in the eemitar, that was abandoned, and it re- JMned abandoned until the Finance «Mter saw fit a^in to introduce it 5»^ and he based n>on it a calculation tt^ we had^w many more workera in tteooontey because of those fallacious ■tMements which were previously made. ^ Md of whusk I believe even the compiler^ weie ashamed, that we had some 35,000 ST ^SSl ** "* oonaequenoe of this 5IS' 1. Jwn.. gentleman expressed met that he had not had time to obtain firt lrtff s tatistics. Well, it isT w»«3ptted. no doubt, but he jbad M^Mdb from one manufiMrtory; he M^iaJ?! ■***«"»•»*■ by statia. ^^2^^ one cotton compwqr, the | jffl*y? <>°**y Company. I admire the T u ■*"*•"*•«*"'■<*»««« in this , Ihaveicnown die case of a .laacyaeMannfsctureriirhoavaaed 'of^ piesedt Minister of the "^ 2L**"* ye«w egato adver Kiaialsv^il itaiiMot ^ -mTw~nim wonder if they have nay fiook ie asQ • wonder if they have any to diiiMaa ' •Bd whether the FinanoniiaiS^iLc- it is that the hoo. ge«th«»an|»ve ni comparison onlv of the h»t d/«onth.i 1886. with the last six months 3'^ 187a WhydidhenotgiveJSwhoS year* Itmay^be aU right but it 1«S rather fislv. Surely it ^rould have bS just as eav to give us the oompMiwuftJ the whole fear as to nve na the eomiM^ ■on tor SIX months. Can it be posSS that in the first tSx months the iSTwHi diut down or was mnning with Ism handsj I do not aay that it wml B may he all right Th^ may have done the increased btisineas all through the year, but I think it would imve struck the House as nune fair ami roasonable if wehad had the oompailsoa for the whole year inmiead of SrSe lart ' nx months only. And these are the jwooft we have given to ua that the me- ?*»?«*« «**"■ oount«yhavibeensogw.t. ^benefitpd by the opemtion of the tariff ' Further, it is dei2ed by the Finanoe Minister, and it is «1m> denied by thehau gentleman who pteoeded iae^ that the ' cost of living has been in anj way enhane. ' ed by m operation of this teriff. We have been told time and again fay than gentlemen that things aro not dearir in ^da than they are in the neidiborimr ' Jepnbhc, that they cort no^SwrheS I than^they do aoroes the boidw. That mey be tme. I am not in a nn^t ^ ta - > ■ey. or rather I will not aasomeloMmv ''^' tMitiiinot true, bttt I wottMlihi £$ Mk the Minister ofOuftom«enequiition.^;j If Iw takes that poiitiink^f it be i«# that ^^^ goods are as cheap in all lijaea in Obonda M they Me in thO' United StOii how^ IS it that some monism TJ^l ? *** K to *» t&T^^ose, .^4 17 ItMbf lor ikail If not, rq^dftit llirl'lt it Jiitt for i,iiMiC«ila|^tt It ttoit b0 jut itlMyUto Mr ET0r]rtUiig iM m li#(l MOW* thorn, Mid the men Ai»f* 1h» fan of ihe Minister Thftt OMi be the only Now, "lr« oome to look »f the t dttllng'a oertain number of yean /^'tito jUokensie Adminiitndoh. to.that he afserte that he has IkiliMM market to the farmento ot •8,600,000 a year; or that ^iPHoabletookport, inconaeqaence I fiwnUiloa of the tariff, $13,000,000 rpiore in the year 1885 than they lilitlioyearl878. Well, now.what i# vndiMrttoiid by an aigameiit It jrk miMia anytUhg, and if lMt« mar fone^ it mnit bo that lUM^»ftilipa iiil^«uioti;too. U 8iridtfaey,i^ 1883, rely upon them t Wo|mow whsl^ the pwpU ox the country know, and whsl the per plo aaw— that tbey cotild not trust themselves, even at tiiat eari|r d*y, upoi| the records they had made Ibr theioBaelvei^. and before they damd l(Nii»ii# tothe ele^, toiacethdy had tog^nymaaderiinthomni: cowardly manner. In 4 aMner thai 1 "' unworthy of mk wlie^ Uno^i^ mmie Bfilons^ tlwyM to ottli^ iflin«in iBm9K&mBB^tifnt~mF "^ "' Oi^irfo, in Older thai be xetnhi#^ and tiial i|qr ■7 ■-. A ■'^■.^. M MOiiKt 'H MaAoKtbr |V ^ Ml to tkitpMpb, idraMhr dMirwi bj tei oaot: *'Fai as bMk ifiOii, uid akmt^ milUoiM and tens of niilUontf ^f Mfitel .waiting to b« inTciited in numn-^ IkttviiBg mtarpri^ps in thia ooantrj." I aik Iham Iham ttnlaj if (hej can point tothoMmilUoM. I Mk«a thorn in 1882, tnd tluKae yean after I aakvlioin again .wImto tlMao milUona are that were to be :m^ into large iron worka in this coantrT. WiMra arethejl Let them stand up m tUs Hoose and answer. Sir, thej must .visa : thej mast point out where those millbina » are. It will not do to ipaak in general terma We want td know where «re the works; *ws want to know the names of the .TCipifidisIs; we want to see the effoct of it in laying hidastry and employment in our awbi Sir, I oome now to notioe what thegMiUeman who preeded me, himself * Ministei' of the Crown, did not attempt to answer in reforenoe to the charge that wia made bj ithe hon. member for South Httnm; and when I recall to your recd- laelion, Mr. Speaker, the omission of that ^hoii. gentleman, jfoa will agree with me, 'I think, thai it wiU be impoadble^ before this debate doass, that one of the gen- tlemen on the Treasury benches shall not gtMiP and answer the ohaiges finmed iMoifioauy by the noa. membw for South R^ran sgaiast members of the OU>inet it^ihamsalvesj abotti which the hon. Minister ^^ did jm4 say one word. .t?i/ ki aiMi viiiift mi^.m Tiasa slMat »iii' ha aMwii Minialiir oT&istior aano* a thsim ebargsago nnan s wa i a d . ister of Intarior ought not iolMl^;i down, he could not aflbrd to sit (kk~, with these charges unanawered by Ulii^ fl^e him another opportunity to dall What does the hon. member Ibr^Saali^l Huron chaige : "It has cope to pass that to^y, how«t«»1 much we^ regret it^ we ara obllMd to Mm Uiat eray second member of the CUSafc^ has been dther the recipient of a teetimoaili H^ lanely nibsaribed for fy jmUfo eoatrastoM^i^^ and public raaployeee, or ttat Hinfatws httSl reeeiTed sufaddies granted for the purpasa 4^1 aijyncfag linesin which they are fimSoS^ holden ; or that they hare been parttolpaaik * by means of the doak of a ntmL nmS created for that ipcdal end, UlirintiiiitsMi' >< tracts and other Jobs which they cbuld aai «^ hav>und«Uken fai their own pioper psilai*, withoutputtbg their seats in perU : or thafcsi therhaTe been recipients of flmber UnitiKi and I am soi — * ^.- ^ . . . »• are the miyo: »riyto lay, as the OaUnet ati^ m' ority of their feupportciB." tha* Sir, a Minister «if the Grown heaid duuge, and read that charge. It „^ more against members of the Cyfiat than against the House, and the ho9.^ member for South Huron said he did aol^^ bhune the members of the House so mwili^i*^ as the members oi the Oabinet ; and w^^ had a Cabinet Bfinister rising and notice of the fact that has been eJ against some members ol the HoiHS^ ignoring, not saying one word of fearful charae that b brought members of the OaUnet. Agai£ member for South Huron sayB?-*^ . Sir, what were ^oae ehatgest He talked about what ka had said to the repiesenCstives, .wh^blMhadaaid to the p«^e;he had njd Ilia ipeaeh and he hehni it, but he "Sir, it is a chsrse that should causa tniiii dliMaay anything abogk the statemaht *«• Canadian to blnah( and it would baiS^ ^"r"^n "^rnifHiMiil f 1 I bLr: -" :^~'" ? ^ ^ ^ conceal F^' "Piildon of these thingi. If they go on «i a mambet. What .gPI Imj^ mind that this iano statommt ^ laSrrsapiaiiiaible tpetaon upon ^^.fimati^ tlia astSa- tWw haaoeeg. inthb ysarL o» a few montfiiL uumt Mna Oonfedaiation to an abrapT^ Our duty >■ to oimose and Mkt '" witfteU iHisthtt 'liasMs'^ ▲short tbine •hake off the incubus that now » omu Mifupwui MloMti InHf itidrimilb in the I ^^ • . ^, \,. /i tlMgea whila1%if sQahnataifof ifU^jl «M^ ..-;>-■*-'' **■■ riiiill do aol d wy thtm «Mi«m, t)i«i i# ii'd«iigiM> t Wd . W« OMnaot k*Te MiftJiipMba in ^glk piMM to thai •Jttont VMNittCioii if it doM not nirt, moat be H i ui i ti hj th» memben d the Oftbiaei ; fi'ti'Omhlkra not veoeiTed modej sabaidiae f%» m ndlwAT^with whioh tlM^ m^ ooa- jkMlad uid.th«,t is ohMfed ; if th^ haTe f(^ jiprtff ia a ph^riMfiad. i fJjmlKg^'^mimoik'^m laaiiwiiwil MeaaottMr." /I ' 11 .^jir.*.w« ■' '- -^ "ftesmmir-w^ '•• «flS.AJ!«»» 11 •I* tU $JOf. 1 Mmmm tar'ff tk* lartjr tiMt tlura ii«vir haw bMki mfattVw nMd« or ■«!• done that ibMld not bftT* bMn done ; but I okim tknlijoQ OMUiot look OT«r the record of tke Kefbrm partj «nd find raoh record in tUt reipeot m you do find in the record of hon. gentlemen oppoeite. I munt to My more, and my remarks to apply ^in a gfeneral way to myaelf aa they do to eVery member on this side of the Bonae aa well aa every member oppOHite. It ia the duty of the people of this coun- try, who need not care particularly for one party or the other, it is in their ^^"■- banda to purge out th0 old leaven of politioal immorality so that the whole famp may not be leavened by it If we have gone oat of the true path we l/tvr thus return to the path of recititude j^piprityin the administration of the aipGurii of the country. If the hon. gon- tl#meii oppoaite are tried upon their re- cafd and found guilty, depose- them ; if gentlemen who succeed them do not prove true to the public interest, depose them ; if the gentlemen who succeed them do no better, depose them ; bat let the people of the ooantry, those who truly wish to see it maintain its character as a nation see tOii that party prejudice no logger blinds their eyes, conscience and judgment, bat Ui jostioe be meted out There must be iBOM^ in the ooantiy who, if accused, would rise and repel charges like those made a^pdnst hon. gentlemen oppositei mM Tha erU ia tki comiption in high plaoaa down among the people till, nnfortanatdhr, hon. member for Houth Hnron the public conscience is deadened tiO doea not give the answer it should dok'. till it does not resist the things it alMMiI4^;t resist as promptly as it should do, and a»^j it would do if it were not tainted by thli<, comiption that I fear, from the hot th«l it hts been charged and not denied, vaila in this country. Sir, we want mi^'* the rulers of this land those who will a^l^ upon the precepts I have uttered, thu»^^ who will not run after rewards and look for gifts, but who will recognise that If ' any special class are to be looked altl#> and their interests promoted it is not th* rich and wealthy, but it Is the poor 'm embraced under the head <^ the widow and fatherless. Sir, we want men iQ positions who will regard the •claima of labor just as readily as they will rtoofi'' , nise the claims of capital, that the nt- chanic and laboring man can gain their ••» and have their wishes granted af readinr as capitalists and manufaoturert. W*' want men there actuated by noble' priaOl* ; pies, so that the prayer of the petilhm of the poor Indian and the Metj^ of tkt->| far West will be as quickly heard and t%*'- ' ceive ae ready a response aa the deuattA of the speculator who may be seeking ,'^^^ deprive him of his land and home. • 4j '"^'i:/ iiMdto iM'do- (oftbat *d|h«ir iImkpoI- . /^ Imm; I h. tfhis ;. HYou m iff I, k. L^A 'n*- mSm^^'^ \.4:^t. WvJ^jftW^^^^ •,'Mi"%'. ,^' ».t'P' ^. Th I 4^ < y # / s.^^ i^ • « .^^ _j. N