IMASE EVALUATION TEST TARGET (MT-3) «x LO LL 1.25 ■ 50 "^■S ^ us, 25 18 JA mil 1.6 Pnotographic Sciences Corporation 33 WEST MAIN STREET WEBSTER, NY. 14500 (716) 872-4303 ^ Ws? ^^m. ^ :\ \ ^' <* ^^ CIHM/ICMH Microfiche Series. CIHIVI/ICMH Collection de microfiches. Canadian Institute for Historical Microreproductions / Institut Canadian de microreproductionr historiques \ #\ O «^ Technical and Bibliographic Notas/Notes tachniquaa at bibliographiquas The Institute has attempted to obtain the beat original copy available for filming. Features of this copy which may be bibliographically unique, which may alter any of the images in the reproduction, or which may significantly change the usual method of filming, are checked below. □ Coloured covers/ Couverture de couleur □ Covers damaged/ Couverture endommagie □ Covers restored and/or laminated/ Couverture restaur^ et/ou peiliculAe □ Cover title missing/ Le titre de couverture manque □ Coloured maps/ Cartes giographiques en couleur □ Coloured ink (i.e. other than blue or black)/ Encre da couleur ER FOR LINCOLN. MONDAY, ITth MARCH, 1890. liiic.'i he (ili\ ioiisly liiiii. jii'iitk'iiiiiii Would lu' ruk' to which he jiuve Ixrii jirdvcd Mr.liLAKK. Witli imiuh tliat tho hoii. IVesident (if the CdiiiK'il hiis saiil^ V (iditeagroe. I agree with him as to the ,s()itit in which tliist If use .sliould a))])roacii the consideration of this ((Uestioii. I agree M ith him that least of all (luestion.s whioh ean he lirimght liefiire tlii.s Hoiise, ought tliis one to iis-;iuiie in any sense a (larty complexion. I sii])- posc all must have been struck hy the oliservation made hy the lion, uiemher for T.,incoln, when he gave hi.s explanation at the opening of this dehate, th.it cxjiression of rcuret which, he .said, he enter- tained at his nnfortmi.iii p lan, in a sjiirit of candor, i fair i)lay and impartiahty, to endeaxdi' to u.siertain : the I'iglit and the truth. I agree with the obseiva- . tion of the hon. the l'r';siilent of the ("oinieil that ' the honor of the whole House i.s coneerneil in the ' matter. It is coitceriied in all such matters. The , honor of the House is in a sense in the liauds of cicry member of the House. No course of conduct discreditable in the general sense s)f the community ' can be pursued by any single inemlxn- withont, to some extent, at all events, lowering the eharaeterof the a.s.semblyof which he foi^ms a part, and in this view it is oni' common interest, as members of rarliainent, that the t raii.saction, whatever it may be, should t.ot be depicted d.uker than its true color, and that every reasonable (UMitection should be accorded to the man who is aeeu.sed. (Jn the , other hand, .Sir, it is <-ven more cleai'ly the duty j of the House to watch jealously that honor (if which it is the guardian, and to take care that it does not become, by any unworthy connivance in a discreditable transaction, an accomplice after the fact, and so degrade itself to some tixtent to the level of those who may lit! concerned in such transactions. The sitiialion is, under these circum- stances, jiainful. I agree with the hon. gentleman Ml the view that it ought not to be made in any s(ui.se II party (luestion for those reasons w liich I ha.-e gi\cn, ami for other reasons too ; for reason.s which, taking a somewhiit lower ground, are |iarticularly iiii|)licable to those who may happen tor the tiiiK! toln^ on the side of the minority, liecanse if there be any .secti(Ui of the House that has a deeper intei-cst than another in tlm observance of these principles, it is those who happt^n to be in the miiioiily. 'I'lieir only eliauce for the aflirmatioii of charges justly made against a member of the majority, consists in the oliservaiice of the piinciple of justice. Their only chance for the avoidance of II eondemnation of a charge unjustly made against W ;.| SI r } 'ill I u nn'iiilieiDf til I a to tl.is .„i,„.inl. '""f" '"^i' """''*', '" ^''-^ '""",''•"»'=« »^«"' ■""'1'' to the motion witl, regard to one of your to t).i. pnnople of jn.ticc ; an.l to ,ntio,luc,, u ,,n..k.c,;«.sor«, Mr. Speaker, in the ohai politiral coniph'xion into niatteis of this woiiM at one hhw lender it iiniJossihhi for ority to obtain justice ai,'ainiented from saying one word in his own defence.' The lion, memlier fo- Jae;jxle8 I i Cartier (Mr. (iirouard) iiidicaled that thvre was some right on the part of theSpeiikeict +lie House to ask the indulgence of the House to lea v»^ the chair, in order tliat he might make a statement on the floor. I am not familiar with the jirecedents upon whieli the lion, gentleman justilied that statement, hut 1 say that if there he such, ami I am (piite ignorant of tiiem, they are precedents which ought not to have heen invoked. „, , . , , '■ tl't-' i "pillion was, that a due regard for the nrinciule (if MlutI ei the ,onclir-.,on wliicli is .hawn from those I in such a form us that those who recitals and from that rrsiuiir Is just and fitting ; ; have secured to the ftnortuiiity of dijfending IS he did in the Speaker's chair, they ought to havi! known that the only mode hy which that result coidd he olitaiiieil, would he hy a niolion to refer the matter to a committee, before ivhich he could ajijicar. Beyond all that, there were important i|uestioiis to he disposed of. There were questious to he disjiosed of, (piestions of fact, and also ijueslioiiN of law, based on former pre- cedents, which ajipeaied to justify the view that the seat was not vacated, aiiil, therefore, there Committee ()i> lappened in other was a rea.si.n in the search for precedents and in I.rece.h'iits, it is fitting ' the taking of evidence for a, reference of that case. . ^. , . '"'"K <•' f^i'h^nce by the There were many meetings of th cxaniination o witnes.ses, or the long search into a Privileges and Kleciious As sericsofpiyc.dcnts, not lie|..t(,fore collected, should :coiifr.,versies which occurred when the Liberals he aecomplislied hy t he Select Standing C<,iumittee that we erect for such pui]io.ses. P>ut, 1 believe that in every ease w e are calleil on to consider, whether the case in hand is one that calls for the iiit(^r position of that machinery, and t!ie intervention of that committee. Caries have been referrcil to in the past. It has liecn said by {\w lion, member for dacipies Cartier (Mr. (iirouard) that tliert were in a majority in this House, tl etliirt was to ilo that justices which the lion, the liesideut of the Council appealed to us to-night to endeavor to attain. The case of the Speakt:r was a case in « hich a juomimiit memb('r of the majority was attacked. There was also a case in which a mem- ber of the minority was attacked. And in each of these cases 1 rejoice to think, that the majority 1 ule t, I and a right to a reterence to a coimmttee. I entere.l into the invi'stigation, sought for ilie trutli, do not know where the lion gentleman found the ascerfai 1 the truth, and f, .11,1 ,1 a unanimous statement that there is such a rule, or that tlieri' is such a right. I dispute the existeueeof the rule and of the right. I know the* h'aiiing gcntlcinen on his siile of th(^ House, have from time to time, in lea the report to the latest hour compatible with its presentation .lunng the Session. Jt was th.iimht to he a oonv^ ere'ueThrr ;' 'l"'"'"''' "'I'' '"^"''.V course, not to cr ate the di.stnrbanee andd.fheulty that wouhl re- sult from the vacation of the Speaker's .seat a f ew .luy. before the elo.se of the Se.s.,ion. The suggestirm was made on the.se groim.ls, I believe by nu^self was nnammou.sly agreed to, and it was so -lone liiitif ,.■.,., I 11 -V -■""""1 'I' "coiKnmier.stooi ift r 1 I ''VT. '* '''"' ''*=''"' "I"'" i"""«'liately .iftei the elo.se of the Session ; and 1 tiiink it was a course wortliy of the hon. First Minister in his P-sUion worthy of the mendiers of the Oppo.siti m an. eonTorinable to the dignity and the iilienit ;" ot tlie Hou.se ; and a eour.se whieh a faithful thoud, ";:■'.'?*!'"*'" '•^■'ilcitriliit follower of the lion. Fiitt nation has alleged that the reutals of the extracts rom these letters in the motirm of the hon n.ember for South O.xford are unfair and .n.sleading. Though he did not point out he itmtZ 7I!-'.t "-'"'■'' 'H' n.a,letLtallegatio ' st.I he made ,t m the general. He has als.i alleged t at the.e are ot ler papers whieh he can produte • thoughsofaraslamalile to judge, these relate l-t aay of the Ses^oi, it i;. g i,^ ^ Hur^e^ o;i, f '" "" ""1"""'' ""'^''*'"" '' ^^'^ •"1.1 '.e. as it was, acted upon bnmSi^: v S^ •," ".r'" y!!!^'':':.":'"'^'-'- tl.eir nature or rimdu. .d ^v"""' l"^'-'i' >'lH'i«"^i, "or has he pt.i.luce.l them. Novv, n.i man can deny that the hon. member for J.im.ol,. has had the amplest on lagunent. He ha.s on two occasions at least proiiueed such materials as he lliouglit pror.er he has on two or tliree •■ • ' ' ' Ministeroughtnotnowtocondiiul mfo^'hS here""and 'I "' ""'? '"™^"f "-"e staiem;,;^; a.ssente.l to. Xow, 1 wish to know vv t « ,^ i i^ 1 i ' ^ '"" ""* ""^^^''''^ tl'"t 't '"i^ht be heh nf..^ and why w^ should ';et-\;:!'i;:^.£"; t!::::'Ti^'.!^-^"^': ^"- - f..-'th«N-aiid ': ■ de..i. e tins, we must brush asi.le some "'/'i'i''y..oh4er. xow,ido not state this because I conceive tliereis the .sli.ditest dll ierence ,n principle, upon tlie ijuestion of a'.S p^.3.;'rr"rwh.£'r.:;-er::;;rr .<'^.:^ -atute was. '... question is ^^.^llt ! Sis! ^thllirSill^i.^^^IiiZ > ll^/ ^^^ statements iene„ 1 f ^"«""'«that no further' valid ev' t ,?f ! f '.i''^'""-''' '"'''" '^^-'"I'-i''!'-. ->•■ even to deci.le hat no further oi.portunity sli.iul,! be give,.. J}, t though I contest the strict justice of tlw.t view for -y ..wn part I do ..ot cl.oo.se to ucc on it. } ,™ once again, n. much that the hon. President o? the .mnci.has.saulin that regard. I think it ex .emelv,mp.irtant, ,n the interest of justice and air pay, in the interest of this Ifousi at lap'e tha the pidgment which is finally to be awanfe, H. tins matter, whatever it may be. should 1,. jndgment which cannot be imi>ugned up.m any pre ence .„■ suggesti.in that there was any fair .i , IMirtunitv refiise.l t- fi... i , '".^ ''"' o|' c(!ect of astat\.te Mas. The questJo.riawhethei .1 .1, whether that matter arises by virtue of ;>licge.l breach of a statute, or by virtu^^,f a a '.„ 1> vach ot a rule, ,i,. by virtue .,f an allegcl v i t7o <;< Hj.se Ob igations, or those unwritten lawswl ! uuard the honor of Parliament, the same priueiple i ' !iiv:i l.rr ^'l'l'h"st,all. Hit Isav there thv Independence of Pa.-lianient Act has '""'<■ Again, and thi.s is not an unimiiort-m. Ponit ,n regard to souie, If the ..bservalorn^: kv the h.in. memlier for Lincoln, tlier,. is i, "" .-;niimtted upon Mr. .Sands, the purehaser of 'l"MlMn,t.s.a,id, therefore, that is not ,,"''"'"'* MiLsgest...! a,s eiiiiuirable into here. ,San '-VC oeen detrau.led, and he may not : h< > M, Adams, or by both, or by ueith -■" .....1. memlier (|Uite niistakenly in my view, regnafulTy i„ u.y .cw, whe,. he iiia.le his statement" in tlii.s Ho, s/ ■served ,n pa, t his defence, ought to have evm .ee.i «tnte...entr. any g,..un.l f.ir ref.Mring t7,e case loL statement, your further nrgument, your fuithcr papers. ,1 any you have, and to deal with this ease as may then seem just."' I think, then, that the on. member ought to lune the opp„rtunity of say- ■g. n, his place here, ,Uiat more lie elioo.ses, a,ul of laying on the Table here what further p.- p" s matter he deems ,, rope,-. And, I think that the'a, „n .Is ,„ay tion of tins c,iu,-se would enable us to di i se may have in a proper way of the a.uendment ,iow i, Tour Iwinds, and at the same time to do the fullest iH a .natter with which we' havr.V/ithi,','.^ eom"'"' ! i" '""• ""'"''"''■ *''"' f^'"'"'"' I^ *■- the , .".. the issm.s befo,.e us. i.I a^ ,.^ ' ^ ,^ ^ ^"'"portant for our ..msideiati , le ^'s^.,/^ i ^ Hu H,a,.se. "The l,o„. the President of ■ -;;-:"-■" --t-liiJ:! .:;';i"S,::' :!? ! =:,™:!"l;;r-^;-;,i:, .?;;: r *;;-, t.ir lancoln may be able to submit tor our iud./. 1.1 do ^''-w,i statements made in this nous-. What- ' ' '« a leged against him, and whafverproi s ■^.^■sed as sustaining the allegations, an ha^e I" his.nu, written and oiv.l st,„,, ,„,„.s l.t ■oeus. Iheivisthewh.iieofil. \ow, to th,- be e ;' f lu-sehMut,atm,istheho,,. nieuibe.f,,, !.i,,,,,|,, ■ ''liy entitled; but by these li,ni.a(io,is and u'ir '" "''"'■""■•^ 'I'e '• "H-mber isalso hound X w '^ ^^ '-11 "Hi cangathe,^ the hoii. ,.,en,!...-r ii. Iii. .X H ■Mr. (^OLMV. 1 .state.l that I .■eallj;^dhl not know. doulIt,?H}l'''*-V^-^''^r- ^ '"^^■^'"""" the lea.st .!.> bt ot that. None of „s a.'e aware of it. We g.itlier Its character from the statement ..f the hon n.nibe.' hiuLself, and his statement was that there ^^ ce other pape.s« hid. he eouhl pro.luce Mhich I Moulil ^ive, iis he .saiil, a ditferent complexion i to tliose publislifil. I iiniiot going to weigh or imalyNe the paixTs jmhlishiil, witli tlie view ot say- ing wiiethoi- tliiil allfgati(.n is inipossilih' or not of exeentioi.. I ilesire that the hon. nRnil>ei- for Lin- coln shoiiia have tiier on the I Hoor, and that we should then proceed to give our ; judgment in- the matter. 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