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Timber Limits in the "Disputed Territory of Ontario." ^'^n 'J (tue of the moat comuou charges made •■ U4IUBC the goTe-nment of Hir John Macdon- i>il U that it baa, In vloUticn uf the rigbta of li« PruTlncial Qovernment of Outario, Kiren .iitay, at noml'^al prices, and for corrupt pur- I'oaes, the timber limits comprised witliin tbi^ ' diaputsd territory " west of Thunder Bay. Mr. Qeo. W. Boss, in one of his speeches during the recent campaign in Ontario, said : "What has the Domiainn Uovernment done — ■■not with their own timber limits, but with < ' ours ? They have ac Id large and valuab.'e " timl>er limits in the disputed territory, after " the Privy Council had declared it to tw *' within the limits ofthe Province of Ontario, '■at the rate of $5 per sqware mile as •' against our $400." Mr. Unwat and others made sukstantialiy tbe same statement. Mr. Ross gave a list o' twenty-six persons who, he said, bad received these limits. It HO happens that seven rames vit,;« duplicated iu this list ; the first seven being repeated at (lie end Of tbe balance, nineteen, thirteen ntver obtained licenses, though orders-in- cdiincil were pMsed autheriaing tbe minister til graut them, and were, therefore, never in a poKitlon t* out a stick of timber on tbe limiu. Four of these, however, paid one years' rental iu advance, or in the aggregate $1000, which iiaa not been refunded. The other six on the list obtained licenses, 'an I paij CD account of rental $1070 ; but as they did nut erect mills, vid as the licenses were not renewed at tbe end of tbe year lur which they were granted, and have not since been reuewed, the only result to them has Iwen the loss of the money they paid to the govern- ment. So that the disputed territury is not (lie poorer by a single stick of timber by ilie action ofthe Qovernment in respect of thi' nineteen persons named by Mr Ross. It IS proper, however, to state precisely wliat has I "en the action of the Uovernment iu ri'Kpect to the timber In this disputed ter- ritory. . On the 36th day of June 1874, an arrangement was mule and confirmed by Older in council of the 8th of July following, betwen the Jominion and Ontario Govern- ments, tbe former represented by Mr. Laird, Miuister of the Interior, and the latter by Mr Pardee, by which that portion of the so- called ■■disputed territory " lying west of a line passing through the most easterly imint ol Hunter's Island, was to be admiuistered by the Oovernment of Canada, the Ontario Ouvernment agreeing to contirm all titles given by it, during the period of such administration. Under this arrangmeut four tweiity.one years iicenaea were grauted to cut limber as follows : S. H Fowler of Fort FiHiices, the date of the order-in-couucil be- iug lOtb March, 1875, and of the lease 2nd March 187A, for one hundred square miles ; Fuller k Co., Hamilton, date of order-iu- loiiiicil and oi lease respectively being 22nd July 1875, for sixty square miles ; VT. J. Macaulay, Winaipeg, date of order-in-eoiincll lii-iug 18tb April 1878, and of lease Isl May 1878, for 74 89-100 square miles; and W. .1. Macaulay, date of order 5th April, 1880, ami »l lease 12th October, 1880, for :"< 41-100 lulles, this last lease being to complete the area of 100 square miles, authorised when the ftrat lease waa granted to Macjtulay. Fowler's lease was subsequently assigned lo tbe RalBY Lake Lumber company, and Fuller k Co's. lo tbe Keewatiu Lumbering company. These leases are still iu existence TUKt AUK TUK ONLY AliTHOlUTY FROM "HE GOTKRNMENTOF CAtJADA, UNDKR WHICH TIMBER HaS BEEN CUT IN THE ■■DISPuTEUTEUilITORV, ■ SINCE 318T., OF DECEMBER, 1886. The Srat three were issued by Mr. Mackenaie's Qovernment, and the last by the Qoveru. mentof Hir John Macdouald,in completion of the arrangement made ty his preileceasor. Tbe terms of the leases w*r« made by Ur. Mackeoaie'a Qovernment, and in view of tbe complaint which is made by Mr. Ross, it la worth while pointing out that the anuiial rental waa only $2, iiisti^ad of $5 as baa lievn charged by tbe present Qovernment, that the leaaes were for twenty-one years, Instead of yearly licenses since issued, and that they gave the lessees control of the laistt, with power to evict settlers— a |Miwer which has in at least one OMe been nxeroiaed — while tbe yearly licenses since granlid gave no sih li rower. Here Is theclaiiseol tbe lease giflng that power : — "fl. The prem>iil Umnn nlmtl vesi tii the 'i.)v!; oti-'iHtary of state, and Edw^ro Blake, m.nixtcr of Ju£'ice. It is proper to atace that iu tho case of the firs* lease a bonus of $20, and in the care of tbe others a bonus of $1S a square mile waa given. Put spread- ing these tv.uuaes over the twenty-one years, the lental would still be not more than an average of $3 a mile. IF, THEREFORE, THERE IS TIMBER BEING CUT TO-DAY, IN THE " DISPUTED TERRITORY " UN- DER AUTHORITY OF THE QOVERN- MENT OF CANADA, THE RESPONSI- BILITY RESTS WITH THE GOVERN- MENT OF MR MACKENZIE, NOT WITH THAT OF SIR JOHN A. MACDCNALD Tbe present Oovernment changed the policy. The system of twenty-one year leases, witli Ihc extraordinary powers contained in them, was abandoned, aud a system of yearly lIceuseK was substituted. TV rental was made $5 a mile, instead of f ' with a $16 bonus spread over tbe twenty-. 3e years, as bad before prevailed. Where two or more persons applied for the same limit, they were required to compete, and the person offering tbe largest bonus got tbe license, if he com- plied with the other conditions. Under this new (wiiey, 121 orders-in-council were passed au'^oriaing tbe Issue of yearly licwnees, aver- aging about fifty square miles each. Of these nine T.ere in substitution for other orders authorizing tbe granting of berths in the same district, which were cancelled. These orders, however, gave no authority to the person.', named in them to cut limber until they hi,d made the survey of the limit applied for and obtained the license. One year's rental In advance was required to be paid, aflu the older was passed and before the license isKiied, or even the authority to sur- vey was granted. Altogether only twenty- two yearly licenses were issued under the aii- thorily of these order»-in-couucil. It is romplalued that the Uovernment con- tinued to deal with tbe timiier iu tbe '■ dis- paled territory " alter tbe decision of tbe Privy Council. Tbe facts are these: Im- mediaiely after tbe decision an opinion of tbe Miaisler of Justice, Hir Alexander Campbell, was olitaini-d in which it was stated that ■> iiiasmuth as the Crown, as represented by '< the Uoverumeut ot Canada, acquired liy sar- >' render from the Indiana their right and title ■'In the lands in question, and is in possession X thereof, the undersigned is af opinion tlia) "Iheie is no objectinii lo the Minister ot tbe ■' luteilor giving etiect Iu the arrangsmenis >' which lie had made anterior lo the decision ■■as mentioned in bis report by issuing licenses << iB the usual way." Acting under this opinion Iicenaea were Isaui^l to such ot those to whom the MinlstoT of the Interior bad been previously aulhoriaed to Issue them who returned their notes of survey, to the number of twenty-one The persons to whom these licenses were granted paid to tbe department by way of advance rents, tbe sum uf $80;i,1 8 1 ; and two ol tliem who bail to compete, in cousequeuce ot theio being other applicants, paid in adilltiimtl 124 by way of bonuses ONLY ONE OF THESE TWENTY-ONE LICENSEES EVER CUT A STICK OF TIMBER IN THE ■■DISPUTED TERRITORY " , THE LAST OF THE LI CENSES EXPIRED ON THE Hist DECEM- BER, 1885 ; AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS IN EVERY CASK RKFIISKI) TO HK. NKV> THEM. Acting under the same opln- luua, uiders iu coiiDoil were passed in Ibe latter (lart of 1 88 1. and auUequenI lo the I lib August 1884, autlioriaing the MInlater of Ibe Inlerloi lo issue licenses to twenlyfuur ap- plicauta But these were never acted upon, nil single licenae having been Issued under them. A clerical error in these onlers in coui'Oll ban Iwl lo some misapprehenauiu on this point. It la explained in tbe following cotreaiiondence : " Ottawa, Jan. 8tta, 1887. "Dkar 8ib,— In the detailed statement of tlml>er leaaes and llcenes -vlthin ibe " dispu- ted territory " wbloh you ha/e furnished me, no Uoense appears to have Issmd under the authority of orders passed since the deciHtori of the Judicial Committee ol the Privy Council on the boundary question. Are you quite sure on this point, as the orders themaelves oonvey a dimrent impression. " Yourr truly " Thomas Whitb." Q. U. BTi,«T, Kaa," CaowK TiHBiK Orrica, Ottawa, January lotb, 1 887 Db .r Sir.— I hiive made a careful examina- tion ot tbe books in this branch, and nm quite eertain tbnt tbe statement I have furnished you is correct No license has been isimed under any order In (^'ouncii passed sliuethe decision of the Privy council. Tlie mlsappre- lienslon has arisen from a mistakeof Iheclerks in the frlvy coanoll office. Tbe order In oouncll passed 26th October, 1»84, states: " On a raemorundum dated :ird Oct -b, r, 1884, " from the Minister of Ibe Interior represent- *' iQg that llci-ases tooul timber in the Prov- " Inoe of Manitoba have been granted, etc., "etc.;" whereas the terms of the memoran- dum were : " The undersigned (the Minister of "tbe laterior; has tbe honor t4> sul>:.ill the " annexed list of persons TO WHOM HE HAS " BEEN AUTHOBIZED BY COUNCIL TO 18- •■MUE LICENSKB T.I CUT TI.MBBR" etc., etc. As X have said no license has l>een Issued under the authority of these ;ders In (^utinoll. "Yours reapeotfully, ''a. V. Btley." " Hoa. Taos. W jiTB." The result, therefore, of the Government' a administration of tbe timber resources of the ■■ Diaputed Territory " is ihls :— Four twenty-one year leases have been granted, three of them by the Maskenzie Government, and one, for a small area to complete tliat authorized by Mr. Mackenzie, by that of Sir John Macdonald. The holders of these leases are tbe only persons now cutting limlwr in the ■■disputed territory " under authority of tbe Government of Canada. The present Govarnment issued in all twenty-two yearly licenses, but only one of the licensees has ever cut timber under the authority of these licenses ; they have all lapsed and tbe Qov- ernment haa refused to renew them. Six of those for whom orders-in-council were passed, hut who never obtained licenses, paid by way biinuB for the limits they were applying for, tbe aggregate snm of $4137.50. Some permits were granted, and it is proper to refer to them. In all sixty-four of these permits were granteil, fifty-seven of them be- fore the decision of the judicial committee of ih» Privy counail, and leven subsequent to that date. Tliese seven were for cutting cord- wood «xclusively, and they were all issued on 1st Docember, 1884 They have long since lapsed and have not bwn reuewed, and the aggregate duos collected ander them amount- ed only tc $103 10. Of those issued iiefine the decision of tbe Privy council, tbirtyfour were for cordwood, and the balance tor timber, ties, telegraph poles, fence rails, etc , connected with the constraclion ot ihe Cana- dian Pacific railway. No permit haa been granted since December, 1884. and none haa been in existence since May, 1885 There remains I ut tlie reference to the price obtained fur limber limlla. Mr. Ross, in his statement quoted above, says the government ol Canada sold these limits at $5 a square mile, while the government of Ontario obtained $400 a mile for limits in tlie n )rthern part ef Ibe prevince. This is an utterly mijleadlng statement. The policy of Ihe Ontario government is to give limits at an annual rental «f $2 a square mile, and ti> charge seventy-five aeuls a thousand iirt lioard measnrc, and one cent and a hall a cabit foot on square timber as dues. Tbe policy of tbe Dominion government is to charge $5 a square mile annual rental, ami five per cent upon the selling value nl the liiinlier a( the mill, which, on first class timlier at any rale, Is much moie than ihi dues rhargeil by llie Ontario Governnieni The $400 is tbebonus,aiid it mar Ih' assumel is tbe highest bonus ever |iald lo the gnvern- meut for a limber limit in Ontario Ui. Rosa' friends, the Mackenaie goveiiiinent. fixed the value of timber llmlis in the ■• Dl>- puted Territory, ' when they put lite Uiuiix at $15 a s<|Nare mile, un a tweniyone year lease, with annual rental at $2 a rquaieiuile Ihe lease covering control ot Ihe land as we' I as liie limber The rental (barged by the present government ini yearly lli enaes ol $5 Is much morvi than the price fixed by Ur Mackenaie' a ^ovarnmaol, iDelading the bonua.