^, ^StZ^. IMAGE EVALUATION TEST TARGET (MT-3) V/ ^ .i-\ii, / •C *l 't ii Mi i.^! i i)M If* V 1 '. i^ \ ■ i 'd 4 1 * 1 .m «3«&?J^e>— ^aEJ<53J5ac^ UNIVERSITY aUESTION: fe«^5^ Bimo A iMFORT OF THE PUBLIC MEETING B£LD AT E KINGSTON CONFERENCE* f.,;. IN RKFKRBMOE TO e Iniktsitg #Mstijn ^^ ANV >^ VICTORIA. COLLEGE, /? TO WHICH IB ADDSD DR. RYERSON'S Df:FENCE OF THB WESLEYAN PETITIONS TO THE LEGISLATURE, # Jn>iif^I> OF DENOMINATIONAL COLLEGES AS PART OF OUR SYSTEM OF jA #. PUBLIC INSTRUCTION, IN REPLY TO DR. WILSON AND MR. LANGTON. **^«^ WWUN BVIOBNOB OF FAO-PS IS SDPMIOR To ALL DB0LARATI0N8."— Zre VUfJlt^ Mii O'T ■/,,V'ai:«, HI f ..ih Kx <:iv;>&;^: 'I. fSi/.:H /r : i) t lit! ^i5 ^? »! rzCTT PUBLIC MEETING t top «ttiw t< -ta'.'SH.'.l •"?.! *"^ WESI.EYAN CONFERENCE, KINGSTON, J,' " AT THK ■ fi .when be had sued a man for an advice and charged him $2 50. The client put in an offset, saying, 'You gave me the advice on a vacant lot of mine, for which I charge you $2.75;' said the lawyer, *I can find no language to reply to him.' So I feel in reference to those who insinuate a want of cor- diality or sympathy among us on this qnestion. Dr. Wilson's misrepresentation t^' Dr, Stinson. One of our opponents (Dr. Wilson) said in the Committee, that the Methoaist Obnference had writ- ten a pamphlet, at which I shook my head, not in* ' tending to intimate by that shake of my head that ' the principles set forth in that pamphlet were not hi harmony with the views and wishes of the Ooofer- ence ; but that as a Oonferenoe the pamphlet had not '. been before as. The gentleman tried to udanate that we differed (h>m the principles advocated there. W|9 do not differ from those prinoiplesi we ve prepued to <^ if- endorne them and defend them, aa the CoDfurence hafi done b; its aoaoimoas vote this day; and the nuthor of that pamphlet is entitled to our beet tbanhs; it ]g a credit to the aotbor, tc the Conference, and to the Connexion; and we would be unworthy of ouriclvei and of him if we did not fi'el grateful for the able defence it contains. (Oheen ) The President then called npon the Rev. Wm. BcoTT, Assistant Secretarjr, to read the Keaolutionn which had been prepared by a special Committee, and had been nnanim jusly adopted by the Confer- ence— tirst one by one, and then en ma»x. Mr Scott then read the Beio'ations aa follows: OONrBRiHoa RiaoLCTnNS on thb uxivebsity question AND VICTORIA COLI.KUR. Whereas the Conference at its Inst sevsion in the City of Hamilton, exprpsacd its views deliberately and explicitly on the eiibjuct of Academical education by means of denominational colleg"S, as well as a Don-denomlaation»l cullpge, and tue expenditure of the University Endowment for the equal aid of all colleges according to their works, therefore, Resolved 1. That the Conference now assembled, after tbe calm deliberations and discussions of the past year, most solemnly and unanimously re-affirms the opinions and principles formerly expressed, and determines to use all lawful meaoi to carry them Into effdct. Resolved 2. That this Conference hereby expresses its entire approval of tbe course pursued by the Pi esi- dent of tbe Conference, and those members of the tipeoial Committee, to whom was assigned tbe duty ot expounding and defending tbe views of tbe Confer- ence, and for an elaborate series of articles wbioh, as approved by the Committee, first appeared in the columns of the Chrulim Guardinn, and were after- wards printed in pamphlet form previously to tbe last session of Parliament. Resolved 3. That tnis Conference, after a eareful review of the proceedings of a Parliamentary Com- mittee, appointed on the petition of this Conference, to iaves igate tbe compUints made against tbe expen- ditures, and reduction of tbe University Endowment and Income, and the system of University College, takes this opportunity of gratefully acknowledging its obligation to the President of the Conference, tbe President of Victoria College, tbe Rev. Dr. Green, and the Rev. W. H. Poole, for ibe able manner in which they conducted the exposition and defence of the views and claims of this body, and more especially to ibe Rev. Dr. Ryerson, for tbe conclusive and power- ful address which be delivered before the Committee in defence of the rights of our people, and in reply to tbe attacks and misrepresentations of the partizans oi Toronto College monopoly. Resolved 4. That this Conference rejoices in tbe ftot that, notwitnstanding the opposition of interested parties, tbe information communicated by various means, ia Quarterly Meetbgs and District Oonven- tiocsi baa induced o^t beloved people throughout the coaatry generously to co-operate with and sustain tbe aoUon of the Conference at its last session ; tbe laity during the discussions of the past year, have rallied tonnd tbe obmmon standard of Christian edu cation, instice, and patriotism, and by petitiona to Parllaln«Bt, have strengthened the hearts and kands of those i»fco were necessitated to aondiMt tbe con- troversy, Wd ♦e do hereby cordiiWy ackno^edge tho sMtMiaKe thereby rendered in the mainteBSCoe of the Kroat principles of justice and righteousness. RMOlTsd 6. That we feel it a solemn duty to youth of our congregations, and the fbture welfare of our country, to continoe In eonnexlon with our brethren and friends thronsliout tbe land, tbe discus- sion of the great question of Christian collegiate edu< cation, nnd to use all proper means to give effect to the prayers of the Memorials which have been adopted by this Conference, by stxteen District Conventions, and two hundred and fifty quarterly meetings of the Ministers and laity of our Chnrob. Resolved 6. That disavowing a'.< connection with, or spirit bf, political party, yet as a just, sound. Chris- tian, and national system of Academical education can be estabMgbedonly by tbe Legisli^tnre, we affec- tionately urge our people not to forego tbe exerois* of their undoubted rights as citizens, hot by all p«ac«> able and lawful means to secure the ends of justice ; and hereby reiterate the sentiments of Ibe seventh re- solution passed at the last Conference, that 'we affec- tionately entreat the members of our Ghnrch to nsw their infinence to elect, as far as possible, public meo who are favourable to the views expressed in the foregoing resolutions, and do equal justice to those who wish to give a superior religious education to the youth of the country, as well as those who desire tor their sons a non-denominational education alone. Resolved 7. That the cordial thanks of this Confer- ence be tendered to tbe Honourable Malcoira Cameron, .v. P. P., for presenting the Memorial of this Conference to the Legislation Assembly, and for procuring tbe investigation into tbe matters of which we and onr people have complained ; also to David Roblin, Esq , M.P.P., for his active and efflcient co-operation ana aid during tbe investigation of tbe University ques- tion by the Special Committee of the Legislative Assembly. Resolved 3. That the cordial thanks of tbls Confer- ence be recorded, in respect to those members of the (jegislature who have supported our just claims on tbe CTnlverslty question, and the grants of aid to Tic> toria College. Resolved 9. That the respectful and cordial thanks of this Conference be presented to tbe Honourable Attorney Oeneral and other members of the Govern- ment for Upper Canada, for the increased aid recom- mended by them tn Parliament in behalf of Victoria College, pending the settlement of the University qoei- , tion. , ■" the The new Editor's view of the College QuetMion, Bbt. W. jRFPBitfi, the newly elected Editor of the Offitiian Guardian, said- Mr. President,— The importance of tbe rigM edar- cation of the children and youth of a country, is ■ subject that I need not dwell npon, for every one a(?- mits it, and it can hardly be oTer-efltimated. The thing that many need to be convinced of is the Ifll- portance of that higher kind of edtieation whiijh is given in our colleges and higher aeninsriefl of i«uD- iDg. This higher education is important not oiefdjr to those who receive it, to those who attend the Colleges^ for they are comparatively fcw in propor* tioD to all the people; it b ionportaot to ibe whole commnnity, to all ue inhabitaots of the* land. Ottr Uommon Sohools will beceine elevated and eHei^dt in proportion as the higher Befa(k>ls are perfected and made accessible, fior tbMe Ammh tbe teadrare ofoer chil^o ; they bring edkiea^oa more wltMft tbe iea«fr of ail, by famishing a larger nattber aod * hMk eltm of teaeheri td the ooaoiiy. Theae eefl«Ml give, In a great degree, eharceter •and i^leittKM to the miniaten who explain and enforce the prinei* 'I V / ciples of religion and Tirtne; to the legiilatora who matie oar laws and perfect oar institutiooA; to tbf lawypri and Judges who explain and administer the principle of law and jnsticc ; to onr physicians who take care of oar health and core our diFeases; to the editors who exercise so constant an infloence on the whole commanity, and that in reference to all kinds of subjects; to the aathors who do so much to «stBbli8h or unscttlo the fuith and morals of society, and to instinct, or bewilder the people; and to the lectnrprs, tiio scientific men, in short, to all those whose position in society mskcs their opinion most liMy to be adopted, and their nianners to be imita- ted. The qurstion of higher education relates to the very fountain-head of all those influences which de- termine the course and destiny of a nation. I'liis ii^ what emboldens me to say that tbis University ques- tion is one that concerus every man, woman, and «hild in Canada. Compatibility of Denominational Colleges wiUi ^, the Common School system. And in proceeding to speak now of denomi- national colleges, there is one thing that I mast remark, which we most all have obeerved, and that ie, that our opponents have unfairly represented ns ai opposing our Common School system, and as favouring sectarian schools. Now we have constfintly declared that we were not opposed to our Common School System, that the children being at home with their parents, and under the care of the'r pastors and cbnrcnes were sufficiently protected with respect to their habits and morals. Bat we have contended that when our sons and onr daughters went from Lome, to remain away for years, we could not but be concerned for their moral and religious welfare, so much more important than all the learnintr the schools can impart. We have explained over and over ogain that we preferred denominational colleges solely on this account, that oar youth being away from home, and denominational colleges havirg a Eecniiar kind of responsibility, we had in them the e«t security we could have that every guard would tie thrown around onr sons and daughters to preserve them from the contagion of infidelity and vice; by which in such circumstances they are alwoys threat- ened. Now our opponents generally entirely conceal that we make this distinction between Common tjchools and colleges, thus misrepresenting our whole position on the question. Ihe CoUege Question and the Franchise. much infloence ought it to have? Ought a man's course to be governed by this question alone? No, not by this alone; but let it influence him in propor- tion to his view of its comparutive importance, lint. Sir, we are accused of oskiiig government to favour particulor church' s niid parties. Indeed, it is the very thing that we ore not doing. Here is what we de- mand, — tbat the guvernment in diglribntirg aid to • he colleges of the country should adopt that princi- ple of distribution which is favoured by the many.and not waste it all to meet the wishes of the few. What we Buy is, that as a part, of the people of Canado, and not nimply as a denomination, we have a right to adopt that principle with regard to colleges which we prefer; and if we have a right to adopt it, we have the further right to the some degree of uncouragement and aid as others have. That is, if our views are not dangerous U> public morals, or in- consistent with the riglits of others. But it is neither, for we moke our claim in the cause of public morals; and what we ask is not for ourselves alone, but fur all the peopk, for every denomination, and even for those who Eceni to care nothing for those guards and securities which we deem all important. Rev. Dr. Greenes Ifistoncal and Financial Skelch. The Rev. Dr. Grken, on being introduced to the meeting by the Tresident, said, He had not intended to moke any remarks on the present occasion, for he had been so entirely occupied during the day, that he had not had cen minutes to think upon the momentous question which occcupied the attention of the meeting; besides which he was happy to find himself surrounded by men of might nnd power who were full of the matter. 'I hey were lieavily charged, — anxious to fire — nd never missed their aim. But really, my friend Jeffers in his able nnd eloquent speech, has stirred up the spirit within me, and I feel inclined to detain you just a very few moments. The object of this meeting is one that has my cordial sympathies. It is known to most of yoo, that one of Engh-nd's noblest kings set apart a large portion of land in Oonada for educational purposes. That upwards ot 226.800 acres of this land is now claimed by 1'oronto University, and nearly 04,000 acres more by Upper Canada College, making a total of about, 290,000 acres devoted to hipheredacation in U. ('anada. Now the single question for you to decide is this — Have those colleges which were^r«< in the field in Upper Canada, and second to none in their efficiency and usefulness, a right to share in any por- One of the resolutions now read by the Rev. Wm. I tion of the fund thus set apart for collegiate educa Scott sa^s that those who adopt the principle of de- nominatianal colleges should allow it to influence them in electing individuals to legislate for them. When we say Ihis, we do not enter into the strife o.' party politics, for this is not a party question at all. But surely, if the people do anything to secure the proper eettlemeot i^f this question they must do it in this way; for it is the Legislature alone that can de- cide npon it I knew a Baptist minister who once in voting at an election, said to one of the candidate.^, 'Sir, do von believe in selling waiskeyf and when answered, 'I do;' he said, KJive my vote to the other gentleman.' If a man feels it his duty to allow his views on temperance, on slavery, on Sabbct'i obser vonee, to influence him in voting; why not his views «a the qaestioQ of Uiu-lstiaa education? But how tion? We think they have; and therefore wo have instituted tbis enquiry, and originated this grand movement for the accomplishment of onr object. But when we have thrown in our claim and asked for a share of the Income Fund, the authorities of* the University have said, Hands off ! Don't interfere with our grand income — Hands off! You may do the work; but give us tho money. We acknowledge you are doing- good service to our country, and we hail you as-tielluw labourers in educating the youth of the land; but do not lay the hand of spoliation on the funds of our great national institution. It is true we have some sixty thousand* dollars a year from the public chest while you have but three thou- .sand; but never mind that, we can manage to spend it very easily in some way or other, and be sure you >^ ^- don't touch the tnnncyl And what reason, Hir, do you think they g'we why we are not to have any shuro nltho public famls Tor the education of our youth? Id it bocau8e we nni not doing our work as well i\H they do thelr'8? or thr.t wo ore not doing ax inuoh of it? Surely not, for wr havo a stnfl'of pro- fisaor;! proverbial for their iibilily to tench aH well us for tiieir untiring z ul in the dischnrijo of their im- portanf < uiies; but it is fiinply and avowedly l)e- cauho wu are deuomioalioMal and they are not. Advantages of Denomi national Control. We wiih to throw nrouid ourcoliegethe fostering arms of u Christian Church, and to k"ep upon it the watchful eye of a Christian ptiopjei while they spurn any denominational ovcrsioner, I think there might have been a much larger surplus fund on hand now than is reported by the Bursar. The former University Act wan repeal «d because no college had afUliated with the Uai versity under it; and becaose it wan declared juit and right to afford fa eilitiet for as and others to educate our children in different parts of the province, Iberefore a new law was enacted, providing a fund 'or Miag other colleges throughout the coaatry, but up to tbn present moment not a dollar has been given oat of that Burplns fund to aid any ono of the cnlleg<;s oat of Toronto I Hut it may be asked, was there any pro:»pcct that under the provisions of the Act of IH.j.l, a surplus would be created sufficient to render a good amount of support to other colleges. Let us ex tmine the tiifurcs a moment on this sub- ject. In 185:t, when the present law was enncted, ihe income fund amounted to more than £17,000; and the expenses wore about £14,000; leaving a balance of more than £3,000 to be carried to the sur- plus fund.which wos originated for the benefit of otheir colleges. But in ord^rgieatly to increase this surplus, the two faculiiet of Law and Medicine were abolish- ed, leaviog only the faculty of arts, and the current expenses to be paid out of the income fund. By this arrangement, and by placing all expense for building purposes on the Permanent Fund, the an- nual expense was thereby reduced f.'om £14,000 to about £8,000 or £9,000 per annum. But strange to say they now manage to spend a groat deal more io the support of one faculty than they formerly did ia the support of three! And I perceive that eo far from continuing to carry annual balances to the Surplus Fund for the benefit of other colleges, they have actually run the Income in debt the past year about $19,(>00. Now we may , sk the Hon. Judge if this looks much like keeping the law? To us it looks more like keeping, or rather like spending the moneij. Again, the learned Chancellor intimated that one powerful element of success in any great enterprise was ' the gift of the gab.' And he called upon the retiring students to exert that gift at thft nresent time against this movement Well, be ^Dr. Green) had no objection that they should try their gifts in this way; but be thought they would require something more than 'g^^' t<> convince the country that it was wrong to deal out equal rights — equal Justice and fairplay to all interests concerned. (Ap- plause ) We have justice and patriotism, economy and truth on our side; and these elements of success must ultimately prevail. And if the 'gift of the gab,' was necessary for success, he could tell the learned Chancellor that there were others who possessed a little of this as well as the alumni of the Toronto University. (Cheers.) He would not say bow far the graduates of Victoria and Qasea'n Colleges •night 8ace''ed in this way, but we have more than 400 ministers scattered through the entire country, and whatevei' they might have outside, be could bear his testimony that they had plenty of that gift in the Cunference. The Reverend gentleman sat down amidst great applause. Ifon. Mr.Ferrier on the efect of the Universitt^ Contest at Quebec. The Hon. Mr. FKEBisn rose and baid, that whila he esteemed it an honor to be associated with the Wesleyan body in this as io other great movements, he felt some reluctance h addressing this meeting. He -should first explain bis position in reference to the University of Victoria College. Before the anion of ; the Canada Cast District with this Conference,, he [was elected one of the Uovernors of McQiU Col- ! ^am s % lego. It wfti then in a Htate of bsnkniptoy; an ap- Sal woH iiiado by the dlrectore to the city «f Mon- lal, when the«amof6f;t,()00 was immediafoly rnised by BuhicriptloD. He m ntloned this to show that the Mends of Victoria Coiioffn might have no foar for the interest!) cf that Instilation; for when ao much had bocD done in a community, mostly Catholics fur the only Protestant iostitution of the kind in Mon- treal, whot might not ^e done by the Methodist com manity in the whole I'rovince? they had ancured on therecommendationof Dr. llyerson, a'man, Ur. Daw- son us Principal fortheir College second to none in the province. Although somewhat involved in that Colltge, ho would be happy to assist in every possibk- way to promote the interests of onr institution. (Cheers.) In his place in Parliament he had heard mnch re- specting Victoria College, and the University question ia genoial — there was ao question in his opinion that et.citiM] anything like aa deep an interest among the members of the Douse of Parliament. I]ideed it ab Borbed the attention of both houses for weeks. The educational interests of the country arn indeed the great question of the day. When Dr. Wilson uttered oiseloquent speech before the committee of the house, it was reported that the Methodist faction, us we were called, was defeated, that the Wesleyan interest was overturned, and that nothing more would be heard from us, that Dr. Wilson had fiaishnd the con- troversy. I felt rather down myself. But when I consider the jastness of onr cause, and knowing the ability of the Rev Dr. Ryerson who was to reply to the attacks just made, and when I saw the room filled, not even standing room left, and Dr. Ryerson entered with five pages of notes I said to myself the Methodist cause is not down yet. Dr. Ryerson spoke with mora than his naaal ability and clearness for two hours and forty minutes the first day, wd one hour and forty five minutes the second day, pruducing the deepest conviction on the minds of those who heard him, of the honesty of bispnrposo, and the correctness of his position — ^30 overwhelming was the influence of his address, that oxte Hon. member of the upper House, a pillar of the Church of England came to me aayiog, ' I wish he belonged to our Church.' (Ap- plause.) Another member of the Legislature ex- Eressed his feelings by saying, ' My 1 whnt a good bhop he would make.' (Laughter and cheers.) I do hope that every minister, and member of oar Ohnrch will do his duty in regard to this question. They ought to rejoice a? a church, that tueir church has been able to furnish the country with a man ot going to give a political rpsech; we ha\J important iluties to perform to PO'^ipty jjenorally, solemn respon- ^ibllitios to hear in rpf-rnnco to the pxiircis'? of those rights lie remumberud the Ui^v. Dr. Caudliih on a certain occasion in the (Joncnil Assembly in Kdin- h'lrjfh, giving a moat solemn chargo to the members of the usijembly, saying that wu would have to answer to Uod for the ex 'rcigo of our rights as citisona, and lor the choice wo mnde of men to niitkn and inforce our laws. Jle had boon told the nttier day, that we should not take money from an infidel g')vernmeDt. [fwo had such a government we ourselves are to Itlftme— the government or the men we send there. Ifwe blame the governmHnt we rlioild blnmi our- snves, for we senl thorn. The endowment fund fjr University education did not belong to a few, it be- longed to all, and it was our di'*y to send such men to Parliament as would gnard our rights m citizens, llo most cordially approved of that resolution. Denmninathnal Colleges the best gystetn. ITe thought the system of denominational collcge« the best system, indeed the only system for the country , there is no test in yonr institution for either Pro- fessor or student, you h;ivo the students under good moiul and religious control; due carp is exercised to see that the young men attend rellgiou.s service on the Lord's day— inis is the only true principle— en- gaged as you are in doing ho much general work, yon have a claim on thoHO funds sot apart for that work. Your opponents have done their utmost to prevent the existence of any rurplus funds to bo disposed of for your benefit. Why should one college represent- ing so small a portio . of the community monopolize all the funds? There is a principle of right in this movement, and principles are worth more than a few hundred pounds; principles are better than money. I like yonr adherence to your principles, and I think the country will sustain yon in the mniutenance of those principles, they are worth contending for. (Load applause.) Rev. Lachlan Taylor's admirable summary from the Provincial Press. The Rev. Lachu.v Taylor next rose amidst cor- dial greeting, and said that he seldom rose with feelings of BO much pleasure as on the present occasion, one reason was he had so little to do, the duty assigtaed to him was rather a dry one at beot. He remembered that the Rev. Mr. Hughes, an English Minister once said, that he never re^d public documents before an audience, it was ao very dry. He was called upon 80 mnch ability. Through his instrnmentality the I however to read tv or three extracts from several coantry is favored with a school system not eqaalbd in any coantry: a system spoken ofi' in the highest terms by L^rd Lindsdownand Sir John Packington; a schoolaystem which has been adopted to a consid- erable extent in Australia, and in the Eastern British Provinces, and which is full of hope for the future greatness of this Province. He recommended that thousands of copies of the l)ra, defence and the print- ed evidence should be circulated among the people, the people ahould be informed on this question, Exercise of the Franchise on the College Ques- tion recommended. The Hon. Mr. Ferrier desired to make a remark on one of the resolations which had passed the Con- ference, re furring to the i ighta of citizens . He was not of the public journi' in reference to the University qnestion, and the nob defence of the cause by a man whom we all delisht to honor. It waa well known that this esteemed fii?nd Dr. Ryerson had been long the able advo,;ate of equal rights for all Her Majesty's subjects, that when a boy he grappled successfully with able controversialists on high church pretensions, and that now he rejoiced to see himBteppmg forward with his mighty soul to battle for equal rights, against the exdasive claims and arrogant pretentions of a powerful monopoly. He (Mr. Taylor) could not bat rejoice that Qod had spared him to bis Church and hia coantry, that he miglit brin^ all the power of an in- tellect richly laden with the wisdom of the past to bear on these great questions. He had again proved him- self to be more than a match for all hia opponents. .# In refereocs to that defence the HamiluM Spectator of May the SOth^the most extensively circDlated paper west of Toionto, remarked as follows: •' S%e Spectator on the Unrcersity Question. 'We bare hbd before as for severf.! days, a copy of a pampblet containing Dr. Ryerson'a defence of the Wes- leyan petitions to the Lpgislatnre, k^. The speech wr.8 delivered before the Committee of inve«ti(fation, in reply to Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton. It is able and conclusive on every point, ana mast be regarded as the beBt defence yet made of the coarse pursued by the advocates of denominational colleges. Whatevei' may be said of Dr. Byerson, he is, at all events, a patriot ; and, however he may be blamed for many things connected with our Educational system, be is at any rate entitled to the greatest pi-aiee for the manner in which he has carried oat that system. The reply to Dr. Wilson and Mr. Lang- ton hns silenced them, r'uile it vindicates the country and the people rmong whom the assailants of our school system have found homes. The pamphlet should be read by all who take an interest in the Uni- versity question.' (Cheers.) That is the first dry little bit; the friends will please keep it as juicy as thpy can. (Laughter.) Next t>-o Toronto Colmiat of June 2Dd. We fhall have something funny in this before we get through. Ml. Taylor then read as follows: The Colonist on the Universit;/ Question. ' The public cannot fail to have been somewhat as- tonished, as well as amused, at the peculiar course which was taken by the Parliamentary Oommittee appointed laet session to enquire iuco the University question, and also, perhaps, a little disgusted at the small results which followed from so elaborate and costly investigation The whole affnir resolved itself into a Btacd-up fight between Dr. Wilson on one sid , and Dr. Byerson on the other, and as the combatants were about equally vulnerable, as well tolerably well matched, the display of science was very pretty. This contest, howeve . ch we may, in sporting parlance call the " mill on iiio floor," resulted as in the late case of the " mill on the heath,'' in a drawn battle neither party taking the stakes. How the members of a Parliamentary Committee, appointed to tahe evi- dence, and to draw their own conuinsions therefrom, could reconcile it with their ideas of Parliamentary usage (c allow two gentlemen, such as the rival cham- pions on this occasion, to occupy their time with a gladiatorial contest, in which everything but the mat- ters at issun was treated of, we are at n loss to con- ceive. What Dr. Wilson's sarcasms and bitter per- sonal allusions, or Dr. Ryersons cutting replies had to do with the questioa it would be as difficult to say, as it would be for Ur. Brown to show what bearing upon it has insulting inquiries touching Dr. Ryerson's personal affairs might have hud. In reference to Mr. Blown, however, the public ought also to be made aware that after making use of his position as a mem- ber of the committee to insult Dr. Ryerson in c. ery possible way, he never made his appearance at any of the subspqaent meetings. ' For Dr. Wilson's talents and attainments we ha7e a sincere admiration, but anything more irjudicious oi iincalled for than the attack which the committee al- lowed him to make upon his opponents, in the speech was applauded by the Clear Grit Press as a maste piece of reasoning and eloquence, it would be difficult to imagine, and he certainly laid himself open to a re- joinder of which so accomplished a controversialist as Dr. Ryergou was not slow to take advantage, and most of those who have read the ipeeohes of the two gea* tit en will come to the conclasion that tiie Snperia- tendent of Bduoation bad decidedly the beat of the argument. So &r certainly aa Mr. Brown's attackhig him was concerned, the leader of the Opposition wae completely floored, and his charges against the Doctor of having been a party to the extravagances of which he complained, e,ni of hiving sought to get the man* agement of the University into his own hands, were replied to in an unanswerable manner.' Mr. Taylor accompanied the reading of Beveral para?rapbBin the above extract with very amtuirg remar' cates. The pamphlet is chiefly composed of Dr. Ryer- son's address before the Select Committee of the Legislatire Assembly, which closed its sitting on the 26th of April, in reply to the statements of Dr. Wilsoa and Mr. Langton, who argued for maintaining the University in its present anomalous position. It de- serves careful perusal, and will doubtless be very generally read.' My next extract, and yon won't think it a dry one, is from the Canadian, Church Press, the organ of the Lord Bishop of Toronto, and his clergy. The Canadian Church Press on the University Quistion. ' Da Ryirsohs '-' Reply." — Dr. Ryerson has thought fit to publish his reply to Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton. In doing so he has acted advisedly. Before its ap- pearance, all that the public could glean of the duings before the Parliamentary Oommittoe was just wtuU the Leader with its sceptical tendencies, or the Clear- Qrit orean, chose should appear in thoir columpn. After Dr. Wilsor's speech, as reported by them, we bad a grand flourish of tr'Taipets ; the whole queation we were told, had resulted in the total discomfiture of the petitioners ; and, above all, in the utter annihi- lation of the Superintendent of Education. , It was even doubted whether he would again make his ap- pearance again in Toronto. After this came an ominom silence, and we heard no mora. By the publication, however, of the " Reply," the aspect of matters haa been entirely reversed ; and the holding back of the truth, as usual, has recofied with twofold force npoa its suppressors. The defenders of the College, instead of directly meeting the charges brought against their system, sought to bring the matter to a side issue, by a concentrated attack upon :ui individual : they spared neither his public acts, his motives, or privcte char- acter. What all this had to do with the question, or why it was permitted by the Committee ' of grave , Lfegislatori appointed to take BTidence, ws koow not. Oio these pointn Dr. Wileoa will, no doubt, be able to gire a tatis'actory explanation to tLoee whom he was rapreMntlug on the occaaion.' The Rev. geutleman here very haoioronsly re- marked, that the learned Prof, bad undertaken a most diflknlt task, I am afraid it will beat him: (Load cheers,) when he read on. ' To the general public, all that is patent is, that, having made a violent and abusive personal assault, be met with severe and well-merited punishment. Our space is too limited for many references to the adinir- able and telling points in tne " Keply." We believe it, however, to be a direct and complete refutation of the charges, whether personal, or directed against pn •nlightcned movement for a National University, which woiDd combine all the Colleges, and whose funds, in- stead of being misappropriated to the building up of one, would meet and foster voluntary effort in all. Ws would call attention, however, to the manner in which the charge of the want of a University educa- tion and consequent Incapacity for grappling with the subject is met, by shewing that Dr. Wilson himself D«ver matriculated, and never received a Degree at the University at which he professed to have been educated. (Page 8.) Next we find him cleverly placed on the horns of a dilemma by the production of his own opinions on the subject of options, especially in modern languages; published not very long ago, but in direct contradiction to those expresc^d before the Committee, showing either a fickleness of judgment, or that he was, to suit the occasion, arguing against hii own convictions. "0 that mine enemy would write a book," never met with a happier illustration.' I think this, eaid Mr. Taylor, the best of all. I woald now, Mr. Chairman, lib:*', to occupy a fall, half hoar, bat I have not the time, I will only say that the battle is just begun, the victory is yet to be achieved. The caasb la one of righteousness and trath, united action is sure to end in a glorious triumph; the, vic- tory which has already been achieved should only be regarded as the starting point for renewed and con- tinaed efibrta, let us then advance to the final accom- plishment of the object before us, ever animated bv the principles of the purest Patriotism, the sublimest Ohristian morality aiid integrity, and the glory of Ood, and as we move on, let the insignia be ever see" upon our sprpad banner as it floats in the breezes ot heaven. 'Magca est Veritas et proevalebit.' (Load cheers.) Rev. W. If. Poole's eviposme of the Globe's garbled evidence. The Rev. W. li. Poolb rose and said, that he would confine himself exclnsively to a few facts and findioga in the blae book which he held in bis hand. He regretted that there were so few of them given to the public. 'Fall discussioD and fair play,' had long been our motto, und we had the greatest confidence in the ability of the people generally to decide on those great questions if only full information on the sabject is laidf before them . So far as this discnssiou was concerned, the greatect unfairness had been prac- ticed by two of the daily papers in Toronto. One side only had been admitted; and although loud Eromises and professions of fair play had been made y the ' O/oSs yet, in every instunce he had violated hu promises, garbled the evidence given before the Committee of the House, and by comments and Editorial remarks misrepresented oa every point the ^-^feoea of the MemoriaiistSi Mr. Brottrn's omission of important evidence against the University. From the remarks of the Globe on the 24th and 25th of May last, the public were led to expect that the evidence 'in ex(f nso' would have been given; that having up to that date given only one side, and grossly misrepresented the other, ond now promising the evidence in full, wa might hope for a degree of fairness; bat what are the facts? Instend of giving the evidence as promised he (Mr. Brrwn ) omits the first 188 questions altogether; as though they had no place on the bock of evidence. This is the siore re- markable, ao many of them had been propoi^ed by the Hon. member himsel£ He then inserts 76 questions; and while professing to give a truihfu! report of the answers given he leaves out Dr. Byersons reply to six of the most important questionM, viz., the 245th, 246'h, 247tb, 248th, 250th, and 263id, the answers to these questions are found on page 118 of tfae printed evidence and would have more than saMsfied the cocntry that Dr. Ryersonhad been shamefully misre- presented before the Committee and before the country. Mr. Brown's Jurther wilful suppression of evidence. After inserting the 75th containing his insinnationa against Dr. Byerson, Mr. Brown finds it most conve- niant to omit the 266th and 267th, which nere an- swered by *,he Rev. Mr. Nelles, who was himself a member of the Senate of the University, and whose testimony, as given here, and alsoun the 113ih page, corroborated the evidence of Dr. Ryerson, and showed that the course taken by him, was directly opposite to that ascribed to him by Mr. Brown and his promp- ters. Mr. Brown omits the answer to the 268th given by Mr. Poole containing a statement of facta from the official records, showing that no fees were paid by the undergraduates ol L'niv rsity College, and that the fees paid by the other students, which, by law belonged to the ' income fund,' had been other- wise disposed of, and did not appear on any record — that the surplis fund had been largely diminished by er«!cting, famishing, and maintaining a boarding hall, thereby inflicting a great wrong on the other Colleges, — that the classical tutor instead of devoting his time to the college students, spent five days in each week preparing young men to enter Colleg&— that there were 45 regular salaried officers, and ser- vants, besides others occasionally employed, and 29 paid examiners connected with the institution; there being more persons employed than there are under- graduates admitted — that one stuHent bore off in four years 50 honors and prizes, k* well he might, as in several of his classes he had no competitors — Ihat ia 1856, when only one medical st<]d(>r.t took a degree, the medical examiners fee were $560. This answer with 140 othsre Mr. Brown omits. All the questiona proposed to the Borsar, to the Provost of Trinity College, and to the Rev. Mr. Arabery he omits. These answers substantiate most fully the position of the VVcsleyan Conference Memorial. (Cheers.) Mr. Browii's records of the Senate''s perversion exposed. He omit.8 an analysis of the Senate records read be- fore the Committee by Mr. Poole, of the four years during which the extravagancies were perpetrated; in whiuh analysis there is conclusiTe evidence, that the ,'ii 1 i! i 10 resolnlion on the increase of salaries charged on Dr. Byersnn, was movei by the Vice Chance'lor, and seconded by the Hon. Mr. Fatten; and that Dr. Ryeraon had nothing to do with it. In this analysis it isals'i Been that Dr. Ryerson stands recorded among the nays on a resniation he wai charged as having supported The following extract from the evidence contnin^ the re'olntions and facts referrc 1 to. The Reverend Mr. PooLB read a Memoranda which he requested to have recorded on the miautea, which was ordered, and is as follows : — " On a minute inveatigntioa into the Senate of To- ronto ITniversitT for the years 1856, 57, 58 and 59, I find one. hundred and twentynme mtetingi ; more than three-fourths of those m>>el!ogs were composed of Pro- cessors of University College, the Vice-Ohancellor, and one or two other members resident in Toronto, and connected with the Theological Schools located there ; there being in very few instances, as the records show, any of those members present who have resided out of Toronto. Dr. Rterson is reported as being present at only thiriy-two of tboge meetings during that time ; and in no instance is his name associated as mover and seconder of those resolutions involving increase of salaries, or other expenditure, such as was referred to in the committee ; except in two instances, neither of which had any direct bearing on the pres- ent salaries ; there being other Statutes and Resolu- tions recorded since that time upon which the present salaries depend." The first of these resolutions was moved by Dr. McCaul, and seconded by Dr. Rtirson on the 8th of December, 1856. It is found on page 393, vol. 2, and refers to the appointment of a superior person from Europe to be Head Master of Upper Canada College. It reads as follows:— " Ten days after, on the 18th of December, 1856, the record is as follows, page 378. " Moved by Rev. Dr. Rvcrsov, seconded by Bct- Dr. LiLLIB , " Tbat in reference to the memorial of Rev. Dr. Mc- Caul, Presidunt and Professor of University College, re- ferred to by command of His Excellency for report of the Senate thereon; [see page 189,] this Senate is of opinion tbat Dr. HcCaul is justly entitled to at least a salary equal to the amount of the emoluments which he formerly enjoyed, and the Senate also recommends to his Excellency tbat some addition be made to the sal- aries of the other Professors of University College, as a just compensation for their able services, and in consequence of the unprecedented dearness of living." Prior to this the salary of the President had been lowered in consequence of the changes made in the law, and at this time it was $1,200 lower than it is now. In no other instance during those years is bis name associated with increased salaries. The pre3cat arrangemgnt of salaries was the re- salt of the following reso'.utioa moved on the 19th of May, 1858, pages 454, and 455. vol. 3. " The Vice-Ghanceilor moved to take up the sub- ject of the salaries of Professors in University College, referred to in the Senate by the letter of the Secretary, read at last meeting, upon which Dr. Wilson withdrew. " Moved by the Vice-Chancellor, seconded by the Hon. Mr. Patton, and reads ai follows, page 453, vol. 2 :— "That in the opinion of the Senate it is not expedient to make any permanent increase to the salaries of the Professors ia Uaiversity College, bat they would re- commend thitt the stipends attached to the following Professorships, viz., Greek and Latin, with Logic and Rhetoric, Metaphysics and Ethics, Chemistry and ex- perimental Phllosophy,Natnral Phllo8ophy,Hi»tory acd English Literature, Natural History, Mineralogy and Geology, and Modern Languages, should be fixed nt $2,000 per aanum, with an increase of $2,00 per an- num, after five years from the da*,e of their commis- sion, and farther an increase of $2, COO per annum af- ter every subsequent term of five years." It was alio recommended that the salary of the President as such be $1,400 per annum, and that the office of Vice-Pre- sident be filled up with a salary of $400. From this resolution it appears that the Senate does make recommendations to Government, respect- ing the salary of the Professor of Uaiversity Coliege. And that the present large salaries were recommended two years after the resolution above referred to. I remark also that on the 2ad of February, 1857, a memorial was read from the Toronto School of Me- dicine, requesting the Senate to modify the subjects of examinations for matriculation in Medicine. I find also that on the 12th of February, the Vioe- Cliancellor gave notice that he would introduce a statute to determine the duties and emoluments of the Principal of Upper Canada College, for the year 1857 ; and on the 18th of February the Vice-Cbancellor mo- ved, seconded by Dr. Willis, a statute relating to the fees and salaries in Upper Canada College. On the 4th of March, 1857, the Vice-Ghancellor introdnced a Statute relating to matriculation, whioh was read. (Page 396.) "Yeas being— Vice-Ohancellor, Dr. Lillie, Dr. Bar- rett, Prof. Croft, Chairman, Mr. Wilson and the Rev. J. Jennings — 6. " Nays— Dr. McOaul, Dr. Ryerson, Dr. Willis, Hon.- Mr. Patton, and the Hon. Mr- Mowat. — 6. There are several records of Resolutions or Sta- tutes relating to Scholarships, prices and other items of outlay, moved from time to time, by the Vice-Ohan- cellor, and seconded by other members 'if the Senate, but Dr. Ryerson's name does not appear as connected therewith. See 392, 394, 397." All this ^[r. Brown omits. The reader may com-j ment for himself. '•i\- r)>M- Mr. Brown's suppresstun of Mr.Nelles' evidence. Mr. Brown omits also the 409th question, in an- swer to which Rev. Mr. Nelles gives an extract from the Senate records, showing that he and Dr. Ryerson stood in the minority opposed to the extravagant ex- penditnre on scholarships, and that Dr. Ryer83a mo- ved an amendment opposing a measure which the Glahe, Mr. Langton and, Dr. Wilson charged him as originating. The extract from the record?, ss pre- sented by the Rev. Mr. Nelles and printed in the evidence, is as follows : — " The Rev. Mr. Nelles was further examined. 'Z " Question 409. Were you present when the snbjeet of estihlisning scholarships was first discussed in the Senate of Toronto University 7 And did Dr. Ryerson oppose the appropriation of the sum proposed for the establishment of scholarhlps? And did he not con- tend tbat any sum allowed for scholarships should b« for the assistance and encouragement of poor young men ? — I vm present, and as to what took place, I put in the following evidence : — a " Extract from minutes of the Senate of the Uaivet«f^ sity of TcTonto, 15th March, 1854. ,^ " Mr. Langton, seconded by Mr. Justice Draper, moved that all scholarships for under-graduates shall be of the same amount, viz., jL'30, and that tUere shall \iefiflttn annually. That no student shall hold more than one scholarship in any one year. "That there shall be eight acholarships annnally ^W!SW" a le zt le in le )• I ill all ire for gradoatet, to be held for two yean, after Uking the degree of B. A., of the value of £G0 each. "ThHt there shall be two ezbibitioDi of the Talne of X15 each, in every year, which shall be awarded to ■tudents who would have been entillod to scholar- ships, bat are not, or do not propose to be resident in any afli'.iated college. " Dr. Workman, seconded by the Rev. Mr Nelles, moved in amendment, that the further consideratidu of the subject of scholarships be deferred until the in- formation alluded to in the notice of motion, given to-day by the mover, be placed before the Senate. Which amendment was lost. " The Rev. Dr. Ryerson, seconded by tbo Rev. Mr. Nelles, moved in amendment, That a sum not cx- ceedlnar £1000 per annum, be expended for the estab- lishment of Scholarships in the Univpraity. That these scholarships be established for the purpose of assisting (as far as possible) with pecuniary aid, de- serving youth whose parents may be unable to meet the expense necessarily attendant upon a University edncation. Which amendment was lost. "The original resolution, as proposed by Mr. Lang- ton, and seconded by the Hon. Mr. Justice Draper, were then respectively put and carried. " Mr. Langton, seconded by the Vice-CbanccUor, moved, That there shall be, in every year, two schol- arships for general proficiency ; one for honor, and one for pass subjects, such scholarships to be awarded according to the collective standing of the candidates in all the subjects of that year. Which motion was carried. " Extract from minutes of the Senate of the Univer- •ity of Toronto, I7th March, 1854. " Mr. Langton gave not'>« that he wonld, to-mor- row, move a series of Resolutions respecting the man- iker of conducting the examinations, awarding scholar- ships, honors and prizes." Summary of facts from Senate records sup- prenied by Mr. Brown. " I find, from the minutes of the Senate meeting, on the I8th of March, that Mr. Langton, seconded by Dr. Ryerson, moved the Resolution referred to in the above notice, and these are the resolutions cited by Hon. Mr. Brown, in bis cross-exaaminatioD of Dr. Ryerson, question 246. " On reading the resolutions, it will be found that they are not resolutions for establishing scholarships and appropriating the necessary money, but for ' awarding' scholarsbips already established, that is, the dutribution of tht-m, and for ' conducting the ex- aminaMons,' this being the object expressly stated in Mr. Langton's previous notice of motion. No amount of money is (prcified in the resolutions, and for the simple reason that £2720 had been prpviously set apart, in the resolutions moved by Mr. Langton, on the 15th Match, three days previous. Those previous resolutions, both Dr. Ryerson and Mr. Nelles opposed, as appears from the minutes which I have quoted. " Mr. Langton and others, have succeeded in crea- ting scholarships to the extent of £2720; Dr. Ryerson and others, in the minority endeavoured to secure as fair and beneficial a distribution of the money as pos Bible." Mr. Brown's suppression of evidence in regard to options. Mr. Brown omits tbe 410th question, in answer to which Mr. Nelles proves that Dr. Ryerson opposefl the system of options, then about to be established. Dr. B^ersoD is also charged with supporting that system, althongh he opposed it. The following is Mr. Nelles' eztrnct and answer to the question: 'Did Dr. Ryerson not oppose the optional system of studies in tbe University, when it was proposed, — that is, the system of having separate optional sub- jects of candidates for honors, or exempting them from subjec'B of study required of pass-men, or ordinary students? And did Dr. Ryerson contend that all students should be equally required to pursue the same curriculum of studies, ard that no options should be allowed to candidates for honours which were not allowed to all other students ; that distinc- tions and honours should be conferred upon those who excelled in the work required of all , and that if any candidates for honours, pursued other sutjects than those prescribed in the regular course, they should take such subjects as extras and not as options to tbe neglect of subjects required of all oth;r students? 1 cannot speak positively on this subject now, after so long a time has pas?ed, but I believe that Dr Ryer- 80f> contended in the Senate, for encouragement to Reneral proficiency rather than special attainment. In support of this opinion, I beg to put in evidence the following extracts and Minutes of the Senate, on the 18th of March, 1854, consisting of a resolution which was passed by the Senate just before the other resolutions referred to by Mr. Brown, in question 246:— " Mr. Langton, seconded by Dr. Ryerson, moved, That there sbRll not be a different Examination for passing, and for honours at the annual examinations, and that any subjects specified as essential or op- tional, under necessary restrictions, shall be essential or optional to all alike." 'Which motion was carried.' Accumvlative character of the evidence against the 7'oronto monopoly which Mr. Brown sup- presses. The 4llth question, Mr Brown thinks, serves hia purpose; he accordingly inserts it; bat the 412th and the thirty-six fulloning, containing admissions in favour of our memorial are k^pt from the public. In these thirtysix omitted, the Vice-Chancellor, Mr. Langton, admits the extravagance of which we com- plain, and also that they have at least two professor- ships too many, and a third needed only to benefit certain divinity students. See Question 416 and 417 answered thus: '1 do not think that a Professor of Agriculture is necessary, and I do not think that a ProfeFsor of Meteorology is neceseary. I think that the study of the Hebrew langunge belongs more pe- culiarly to the faculty of divinity. There are other admiFsions made by Mr. Laugton, all of which are omitted by Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown next inserts five question?, the 468th, 469th, 470tfa, 471st, 472nd, and leaves out forty-one, — the exposures of Dr. Wilson, his admiiisions on the defective composition of the Senate of the Uni- versity, on the absence of ali provi,«ion for defraying the expenses of the senators resident at a distance from Toronto, on the benefits arising from a practice of economy in the management of the funds, and the necessity of limiting them to a fixed sum,— his ad- mission that one of their salaried teachers was en- gaged in preparing stadents to enter, — that he did not know the currency of the country when be eame to it, and had been misled by his ignorance of it,-— that he had not himself even passed a matriculation examination or taken a degree,— that the University calendar could not be relied oA, and was not withon>- i 4 12 ty on the sobjects on which it treated, — that he coald not nnderstaod it himaelf,— that a student can talte the highest priee or honour that is given, and not have a competitor, — that when there are competitors it ia more aifBcalt to obtain honours and rewards, — and thit one student won in four years fifty honours and prizes. All this the Globe carefully but dishon- estly conceals; and to this hour, these admissions wrung by President Neiles from the champion of the Toronto monopoly, are kept Trom the public. Mr. Brown then inserts six questions proposed bv Dr. Wilson, and answered by Mr. Langton, which are supposed to bear against our cause; bat which were more than neutmlised by the three following ones proposed by Dr. Byerson. Those three Mr. Brown finds it most convenient to omit Mr. Brown dare not face (he CommHtee after his exposure. Mr. Poole's closing remark is this, that although the Hon. Mr. Brown attacked bur cause and spent several hours making his insinuations against Dr. Byereon, holding in his hand professed extracts from the senate records, yet when the Oominitteu demand- ed, as a matter of right claimed by Dr. Byerson, that the records themselves be laid on the table, and they were produced, Mr. Brown sat no more on the Com- mittee; the Committee adjourned to give bim an opportunity to attend; he was specially requested to be there. He sa' in the lobby not two feet from the door while Dr. Byerson was replying to his at- tack; but, ns an Hon member on his own Mde of the House said. He (Nir. Brown) dare not face that Com- mittee with tlie Senate records before him from tdiick lie had made so many garbled extracts. Rev. Dr. Ryerson on the Globes system of garbling and suppression. The Bev. Dr. Byerson was received with much warmth, and spoke to the following &Sici: Mr. President, Ladies and Grentlemen, — The first thought suggested by the present occasion is, how riuch more pleasant it is to be among friends than in Uie midst of enemies ; to appear before those who greet you with a cordial welcome, than to meet those who seek in every way possible to wrest your word^, and compass your overthrow. I had requested the Ber. Mr. Poob, to whose courage, acuteness, and energy we owe much in the investigation of this great question, to read the analy- sis he had made of the evidence given before the Committee of the Legislative Assembly, and which Mr. Brown has so grossly garbled and misrepresent- ed in order to impugn me. Mr. Brown has been frequently detected in falsifying figures in order to promote his purposes; more than a year since I de- tected him in no less than seven instances of fcrge I questions in order to sustain his attacks upon me; before the Select Committee at Quebec I exhibited an eighth example of the same kind ; but the system of moral forgery exposed in the paper just read by Mr. Poole, has, I believe, no parallel ia this, if in any other country. When Mr. Brown commenced publishing in the Globe the evidence given ^y me before the Commit- tee, I said I was sure that instead of giving the whole truth he would stop in the middle, as I had never known him to do an hononrable or say a true thing in regard to an opponent, when it would answer his purpose to say or do otherwise, but I did not imagine that even he would have garbled and misrepresented the parts of evidence he did gire in the manner which Mr. Poole has shown him to have done. How Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton played into Mr. Brown's handi m tvithholding thf. Records — Mr. Brown does not face Br. Ryerson. In one of the extracts read by ray friend, the Bev. L. Taylor, it is stated that Mr. Brown, after having availed himself of his position to misrenresent and in- sult me, never made his appearance in the Committee. This is true in one respect, but not quite correct in another. At the commencement of the investiga- tion, about a fortnight before Easter, the representa- tives of the Wesleyan petitioners applied for the pro* dnction of the records ot the Senate of the Toronto University from the beginning, togetlier with the letters, original drafts of resolutions, and statutes. They were ordeied professedly by telegraph. They were not forthcoming before Easter, when the House adjourned for a week. Ou the re-assembling of the Committee after Easter, I applied for the minutes and papers of the Senate, and did so three days in succession, bat Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton stated on each occasion that they had not yet arrived from Toronto; but it turned out that those very records which bad thus been kept from my inspection had been in the hands of Mr. Brown and his prompters, in order to enable him to get up the statements, garbled extracts and questions, with which he assail- ed me, and which, I have reason to believe, were largely prepared by the aid of Dr. Wilson him- self, who was one with Mr. Brown in this whole affair, us he is known to be his bosom friend, and a contributor to his paper; though on his first arrival in Toronto, as I have been told, he snid that pre- viously to leaving Edinburgh he had be^n warned against the Browns. Immediately after Mr. Brown'i nssanlt upon me, the records or journals of the Senate were forthcoming, but not the papers, except one several days after, which they thought they could make use of to my disadvantage. On search- ing the journals of the Senate, I discovered the falsity of Mr. Brown's statements and quotations, and ap- plied to the Committee for permission to answer them. Thit permission was accorded, and tlie fol- lowing S.iturday was appointed for me to reply to Mr. Brown. On Saturday Mr. Brown wa'< not there, and I requested thut it might be deferred until Mon- day, as I wished Mr. Brown to be present, stating to the Committee, and iu the presence of one of Mr. Brown's employees, that I wished to confroui Mr. Brown face to face, and prove to his face the falsity of his statements and the forgery of his quotations. On Monday no Mr. Brown appeared; nor d^d he make his appearance again until afrer the wh tie of the evidence was closed. But after the priming of the evidence, when I had no longer the right to ap- pear there, I understand Mr. Brown made his appear- ance again, and sought to get my evidence exposing him, and my detence of the Wesleyan petitions, ex- punged from the Minutes of the Committee, bui could not Eucceed, and was only laughed at for his rage and disappointment. < t s 1 y I J a h 11 t a 81 o d 01 U B » H w ei •I u In tb lib tb fa «6 00 18 It iHscumon of this Question after the adjourn- ment. I will DOW proceed to bring down the discasBiona of this qaeitioD from the sittings of the PariiameDt- ary Ootnmitlee to the present time, and shall, in the course of my remarks, notice the variations of Dr. Wilson's speech, the draft of report prepared bj Messrs. Langton and Oayley, and toe speeches of the Toronto University dinner at the Botsin Tionse Hotel, on Friday night and Hatnrday morning last; for the carnival of ' all the delicacies of the season,' and ' wines of the best brands,' seems to have been protracted long after midnight, as an example, no donbt, of late and early sobriety and toil to the gra- dnates and nndergradoates of Toronto University College. Grmt and premature rejoicings of the monopo- lists at Quebec, It has been stated by the Hod. Mr. Ferrier and othen, how lend were the notes of triamph among the Toronto College monopolists, and how gloomy were the prospects of the Methodist petitiooers, (for in this part of the contest they stood alone,) before their defence was commenced. The Olohe and Leader, with two Montreal and some other papers, had an- noancod the last intelligence that would ever be heard of Dr. Ryerson, that the contest was virtually ended, and the Committee would, without doubt, re- port against the petitioners. Mr. Brown and Mr. Cayley bad coalesced in their efforts in behalf of the Toronto CoHege monopoly; Mr. Lang- ton had occupied neany two days in a speech of strong statements and elaborate quotations; and Dr. Wilson had occupied another day in a speech of vast pretentions, offensive person iiities, and fierce attacks against me and the deuominatioaal colleges At the don of these successive days of unintermpted and combined attacks upon poor B^erson and his brethren, and in connection with subjects which the auditors, though men of intelligence 00 other questions, had not specially studied, the impression at Quebec was by no means favourable to the cause of the petitioners or to their most assajled advocate. After the delivery of Dr. Wil soifs speech, which eonoloded the successive day»> onslaught upon myself and the petitioners, a sort Of convivial oe ebnttion of Byerson^ downfall and the defeat of the Methodists was held in a room of one of the public offices in Qnebee, while the telegraph told io messages of lightning throagfaout the land that Ryerson was down, to be hevd of no more, and the Methodist petitionen were defeated. It ib true that Byenon and bis fHends were down; but iVm were down tipon their knees. They felt that their eaaae wa$ Ae cause of their God, of their country, and of thefar Oihireit; and while their adversaries wet« trittmphing over tliem irith toasts of champagne •ekI jeen of wine bibbing hilaritv, they had recourse in mfw to tite Gk>d of troth and if gfateonsness. The aeonel shewed that they had not misplaoed tiirtr eonfldenoe, or mistaken the source of their Strang^. It waa felt and oonfesaed on all sides, that tte ntobphiBtieated Ii>gfe of truth and of the heart in oirdbfeace,'itad toMei flw enen^ 'boitM, fbot, mStMtUirf ;' MdHHied h» so (kr teoovefed fifom his «MMoa -an to renew tHe contest, so Hu* as I was ooDMtmed, I waa ready for peaoe, and ttpnaaad a willingness to leave the Legislature and the country to decide from what had been adduced on both sides; but if they were still determined on war, the sword would remain unsheathed, and they would find that what had been said and done on the subject, was bnt the beginning of what would yet be said and done throughout the land. 7%e Globe and Leader, pillars of the Toronto monopoly silent in regatd to the reply. The Globe brought down his intelligence of boast and triumph to the day before which he said I was to reply ; but neither the Globe nor the Leader inform- ed their readers that I did reply; much less did they report that reply, as they haa reported the attacks to which I replied. The Globe and the Leader are the two newspaper pillars on which the Toronto college monopoly reat«. But though they may suppress and pervert the truth for a time, they cannot long hinder Its diffusion, or arrest its power, any more than they can obstruct the light or arrest the bet^t of the sun's rays. ' . ; 5f%c la^ coalition leaves all others tn the shade. We have heard of coalitions; but the coalition of Messrs. Cayley and Brown, (the former prompted by Mr. Langton, and the latter by Dr. Wilson,) and that of the Ql(Ae and Leader, to defeat a liberal act and uphold an illiberal and wasteful monopoly, leavea all other coalitions in the shade. To think of Messrs. Ca^ ley and Brown, accompanied by Messrs Langton aud Wilson, rowins: in the same monopolist boat, and the Globe and Leader pulling at the same oar, may startle the people of Upper Canada, but must at the same time excite their disgust. Dr. Wilson's Lion and Fox Skin speech. In noticing the chameleon speech and proceedings of Dr. Wilson, I am reminded of a remark in regard to an ancient chief, ' that when the lion's skin fell short, he eked it out with the fox's.' Dr. Wilson appeared before the select committee in the lion's skin of the representative of the University College, Toronto; but the President of that college, at last Friday's University dinner, says that Dr. Wilson ap- peared ' before the Committee as an mtauihoriitd advocate of the college, and wkhont that adequate preparation which was necessary.' Dr. Wilson had therefore, to eke out by the foz'a skin of pretensions wherein be fell short in the lion's skin of authority; and tiie variations of his speech exhibit the same eting out of the roar of the lion with the yelping of the fox. The first reported edition ot it sent tbrth bv tlie Globe and Leader, was a roar which had anm- hilated Dr. Ryerson, and was to make all the beasta of the forest tremble; but the reverberations of it indicated another sound than that of the lion. The second variation of the speech was then sent forth, aa what had actually been laid before the Committee in writLbff. and therefore overwhehning as wdl as anthett" tic. 'fnis wrtten speech, as compared with the report* ed spoken one, was found to be as the fox'sskin tseked on to that of the lion. Something more, therefore, moat be done to eke oat trhsA waeso maMfeatly want* ing in the 'nnanthoriaed advdcate^ df Toronto eol« lege monopoly. A third variation of the same eteN Md BfVBch is aent forth In the GtdBe of the 29it, 29tliMd 30tti of May, and ainee in ponplikt fMm, bat a speech wldety mferlov ftom the oae irhielv wm i li i T »♦ I If h •otualiy delivered, as well aa from the one previoasly reported, and that laid before the Committee by the aathor. This last ofTiir purports to be the veritable speech which Dr. Wilson delivered before the Coti- mittee, and to which I replied. This speech is en- dorsed by a Mr. Edward:*, reporter for the Globe. Now my speech, whether reported with verbal accuracy as I delivered x*, or not, (which is of little importance in regard to a popular addrcs) at a pub- lic meeting,) is sent forth to the country pre- cisely as it was banded to the Committee, and as it is printed in the Committee's Miautes of Evidence; but not only U the new version of Dr. Wilson's speech different from what he himself handed in writing to the Committee, and which is printed in the Minutes of Evidence, but is different from what he actually deliveied, as I will now demonstrate. 2he " Windy'* conclusion of Dr. Wilson's v: speech repented of and lengthened, I speak in the presence of three gentlemen, (the Hon. Mr. Ferrier, the Rev. Dr. Stinson, and the Rev. W. H. Poole,) who heard Dr. Wilson deliver his Bpeech; and tbey know, as well as the members of the Committee before whom it was delivered, that the last remark which Dr. Wilson made, in the laugh caused by which he took bis seat, apparently much pleased with bis performance, was an allusion to ray having contemplated my system of public instruction for Upper Canada upon one of the highest moun- tains of Europe, and therefore it must be very ' windy.' Yet in the speech as newly reported in the Globe, this remark is followed by more than half a column of what professes to have been the perora- tion, not a word of which was uttered, and which is therefore the invention of the reporter, or that of Dr. Wilson, endorsed by the reporter. And if half a column has been added to the end of the speech, in order to make a decent conclusion of it, what may we not fairly infer has been added in varioas places to the body of it, in order to add to its coherency and force, and to relieve it of its original off^nsive- aess and weakness? :^ i', ,;. ",;w 'ur^Zun^^'rA In his last variation speech Dr. Wilson omits all the retnarks quoted and replied to ! I will give another illostration (or several illnslra- tions in one,) of the wide difference between Dr. Wil- son's speech as delivered before the Committee, and as recently published in the Olobe. In my printed reply to Dr. Wilson, I have quoted, from my notes taken at the moment, various remarks made by him in his speech as delivered, as also from that of Mr. Langton. la one instance Mr. Langton took excep- tion to the accuracy of n;ky quotations of his worda^ •od considerable discussion ensued in consequence; bat I now appeal to the Hon. Mr. Ferrier, as I could to every member of the Committe and of the large audience preseut, whether in any single instance Dr. Wilsoa veotured to object to the accuracy or fairness of my quotations from bid speech? (the Hon. Mr. Ferrier responded aloud, ' Not in one instance.') Yet in the new Tereioa of Dr. Wilson's speech, (prepared and pablished more than a month after date,) every one qf ike remarke quoted by me in my reply to Dr. H^iUoH alone, is OHiniD, and others on which I ani- i^verked are ezptesaed in diflforent terms from those in which tbey were delivered. In this way Dr. Wil' ! joroB" Virgil, pletod, latrico- :oUeg« pOfttOB stSD* Dr. WilsotCs perverted rvidfnre replied to. Then in another part of this new vemion of hW speech, Dr. Wilson, under the html of ' perverted evidence,' hua charge ^ me with having ' repented of and ' suppressed' niy evidence reapecting the com- parative tiliciency of the (Jrnminur School Teacher* as a wholii, educated at University or other C'ollcgea. The stutenicnt U a fuhriuution, as will uppear from the following facts; mv Qrst evidence was delivered extemporaueously in the form of an address, and then j ^3;"j_^,jg only error in tha whole table, .nd in only written oat by direction of the coramittee, as was the ^^^ j,^^ ^„j (^^^^ representing the incidental expen evidence of each of the other witneaaca and parties- . - «- • •■ .... *^ r , .. ., ' .. in the statement made by him, reiterated by his friend of the Globe, that t had faliiifled tigurea by rcpreKcnting pouuda as dollars iu the financial part of my atateineut before commitiee. This fact ban been referred to by Mr. Poole, and simply anio deed, jost in him to expend, in superfluous buildings and vain decorations, the immense sums intended aa a fund for carrying on the war 7 and would it not hare been better to have eased the allies of part of the con« tributions, which in Pericles' administration, were rais- ed to a third part more than before 7 Cicero considers only such editices and other works worthy of admi- ration, as are uf use to the public ;' — ' but Cicero ob- serves, at tho same time, that Pericles was blamed for aquandering away the public treasure, merely to em- bellish the city with superfluous ornaments. Plato, who formed a judgment of things, not from their out- ward splendour, but after truth, observes, (after his master Socrates,) that Pericles with all bis grand ed- ifices and other works, had not improved the mind of one of the cilitens in virtue, but rather corrupted the purity and timplicily of their ancient mannert,' — I Ancient Hutory, Book VJl., leciion 10.] Buch is the example of stone and marble magni- ficence, landed in its policy and effects by Dr. Wil- son, bat condemned by the historianc Tytlor and Rol- lin, aa also by Oioero, by Socrates, and by Plato, who lived in the age after Perioles, and who were witnesses of the intellectnal and moral efieots of his policy. But then Oicero, Booratea and Plato were not grad- uatea of Dr. Wilson's stamp, and not Ohristians, but only heathen philosophers and moralists ; and there- fore bow coold their authority and judgment be of any weight against biaf Dr. Wilson must, of coorae^ be a great authority with himself and Mr. Langton, with the Globe and the Leader; but it is clear that he has as little sound knowledge of the history, aa ha has of the lungaage of Greece; and I believe bia knowledge of the language and history of Rome ia little in Mvaoce of that of Greece. Tbere are, however, two acta of Periclea which Um Toronto admirers of faia architectoral policy have been carefbl not to imitate. When popalar complaints were made of bia raat expenditarea in architeotaral spliendoar, he oflbred to defiwy the expenses of tbem biaueif, if the Atbeniane wonld allow bis name to be pnt npon them. No each offor baa been made by bia Toronto imitators. Periclea gained nothing by the pnblio monies which be expended ; bat his Toronto mlogjiata bave derived inereaaad tdvaotagea from tJtab expenditure of tbo UaiwEHtf eodowment 17 Dr. IfiUon not qwtl\fied to go beyond ki$ English Uinguage anm lit«ratnre—pr»etical and admom fry exampUt. Bat to retaro to Dr. Wilaon. The maxim ne $utof fUtra ertpidnni ahoold not tgtAa be forgottoa by him. He ahoald stick to his Bagliah langaitge aod Uteratare It was for that primarily be came t.) ' this Oanad i of onra.' He had not 'faced the roasic' of an uoi venity degree examinatioD at Kdiabargh, as I notice br the papers, the yoangesi son of the Mod. Mr Ivrrier, has recently most honorably aoi guccassfuly done. He did not come to Oaaada to teach classics; for in them he was innocent of e^en a matricalation examination. He did not eomo to teach mathematics ; for in them he probably scarcely Icoew the differenc between a proposition and a problem. Nor did he eome to teach metaphysics, or mental or moral sci- ence; f^rthat branch of collegiate study waa also above his capacity as well as his attainments; but without a degree, being simply plain Mr. Uaoiol Wil- ■OD, (for I was a member of the Henate, and examin- ed his testimonials,) he was a candidate for, and ob- tained the appointment of Pro/euor of Engliak language ana literature, and afterwards obtained the honorary degree of LL. D., not fi-om the University of Edinburgh, where he profiasses to have studied, but fram the University of St. Andrews, where degrees have been so notorionsly sold in past tlmei for astipalated price, that a gentleman once sent the usual fee tor a de- gree for bis steed. The only two historical topics he has attempted to discnss — namely, the charaoteriBtic ten- dency and effects ot the age of I'ericlee, and the his- tory of Protestant denominations iu England and America, in connexion with collegiate education — ex- hibit him the moat superficial pretender with whom I have ever come into contact on such subjects. Nay, in his own prided subject of archeology, he has been thrown qaite into the shade by Dr. M'Caul, who has corrected Dr. Wilson's readings of Litin ioscriptions in Britain, and whose archeological papers have been ■o highly appreciated by learned men in Europe that they were read at the annual meeting of the Arche- ological Institute of England, and Dr. M'Caul him- Mlf has been elected a Fellow of the Boyal Society of Northern Antiquities of Gopsnhagen, while Dr. Wilson, with hia book on the ' Prn-Hiatoric Annals of Scotiand' and bis illuatrated papers on Indian toma- hawks, pipes and tobacco, remains unnoticed by those who know the difference between the man of words and the man of literatare and science, between the man who gota his knowledge of the age of Pericles from an arti- ek in the EneyeJopedia Britamma, and the man who ■todiea history in its political aod moral philosophy, Dr. WiUovLt auumpUonM—inndt»— Injury injlieted through him amd Mr. I^ington on Uramnuir SehootM, their Maetera and tufportere. Yet thli same Dr. Wilsoo who came six or seven Tears ago as an accepted candidate to teach the Eng- Uirii language and literature, assumes to prescribe our whole system of University edocation; the same Dr. Wilaon who by a precoooerted arrangement went to Qiebc* to sai^iortttae Memorial of the Oouncil of Uni- venity OoUege to the Lq^isiature aod was, as the PnaideBt of tha ooUego add, at the University din- ner,: on ' UNAtmiOBniD : adTooate of the college' in ngatd to anythiof etie^ aavnied to b« the universal NpNMotatifs of tne oelleeo, to attack denominatioii- «l eoU«get id gtoeral aod Vietoria €ollege in partic ular— to attack and insult ma in the grossest man- ner, and, through me, to insult all the men of Upper Oaoada, both public and private, who have not grad< aate J at some university, but who exercise their right and duty to jadce as to the system of university ed- ■cation which should be established fur their offspring and their country. This sanoe Dr. Wilson, with the aid of Mr.Lington, has succeeded, for a time at least, in wresting from our grammar schools one>fourth of '.heir appropriate work and importance, and of robbing their masters of much of their means of snb* itisteoce, and more than one>foarth of their rightful rank and the moat agreeable part of their employ* meats. While, on the one hand, the University atand- ard ia lowered, and the funoUona of University Gol- iege are perverted and merged into doing a vew'a work heretoro.f performed by the grammar schools, the grammar schools throughout the land are de- graded by being deprived of the highest and most hoaorable year of their work. Thus an unprecedent- ed bl( of^ humiliation and injury is inflicted upon the g 'foa? schools of the country, in order to build up a V .ulralized college I The inhabitants of each county are denuded of the la.it and highest year's work of their grammar schools, while I am assailed for maintaining the rights and interests, as weU as for npholding a decent and heretofore recogniied stand- ard of college duties and university education! Falee aecutation of Dr. WiUan and Mr. Langton re/uted. And as if this were not Mufficient, Dr. Wilson had the assurance to say to the Committee at Quebec that I had favoured this wrong to the Grammar Schools of the country; and Mr. Langton, in hia evidence and speech said, no one wa^ more anxious than I waa to reduce thestaadard of matricalation at the University, —the very reverse of all my views and advocacy, as well as of what I had done in regard to matriculatioa at Victoria liege more than ten yeara before. I knew that Dr. McCau?, the President of Univer- lity Gollege and myself had always agreed on this point; and though I have not seen him since last autumn, I addressed him a note the other dav on this point; and I have this afternoon received hia reply. I will read my note and Dr. MeOaul's reply, as follows: 'Toronto, June 9, IMO. < Mt Dias Sib,— As yon were Vioe-Ohancellor^ as well as Member of the Senate of t!'ie Toronto Uiilver- sity in 18S4, when the whole course of studies was largely diicuaaed and revised, I will thank you to in- form me whether you recollect of my having advoea- ted or oppoaed the reduction of the standanl of ma- triculation at the University. . 'Yours very faiUiftaUy, ' vJ w!H.^.ijr9 ,^^ . [Signed] 'B. RTaaso*. i ing the Minute Book of the Senate. Bat ult has not yet been received tnm (l^ebee, aod 1 4o not wish I to deftr rcplylDK to your query, I writ* to •tate, th»t, 10 r»r u I recollect, yoa n«rtr eugEeeled or lupport- (d Hoy propoaitioa for the reduciion of the itsadard at mairicaUtion. '- '^" •Yourt faithfully, ■?■"■■ h i : •*■' ,.•'('.' ■ . •■■■ ' Ih« RtT. Dr, Byerson.' • "li! ■Juux McCiiiL. Mr. Latifflon and Mr Cayleyt draft of Report— I s failure — Its mU'toretintalions—ll* import uni coneettieni— Condemns attacks of Dr. IVil- nn. Leader, mud Globe. I will now notice for a few momoniB tho Draft ol Report, understood to hove been chiefly pr« partd hj Mr. Lmigton, but pr.>po8ed by Mr t.'uyluy for th»' ad ption of the UiuTtrsily Commitleo. Hoffev«r, aa Mr. Cnyley, attfr having diatribuied printed copies of his Druft of Report among the immbera of thf commiltef, bad to lu^ve Ciucbec, not one member would move its ad-^ption.lwben the incorrectnets of it« statements and uufairnessof its reprexeutationB be- gan to be anderstood, as 1 did not fail to exhibit lhem.)ootwithBtonding the nnceosiDg and iinportnnute effort* of Mr. Lington to prevail on members of the committee to adopt something in justification of tlte Sena e and their doings, 1 had intended to eipobc DOW, as I did to some other members of the (Jum- mittee at Quehec.ihe misrcpreaenfutiona of the Wes- ieyan petitioners in this draft of report, both by its omifhions anl statements,— representing the petition- ers as complainit g of what they did not say one word about, and omitti'g what they did complain of and petitioned for; as misstating tlie salaries ol pernons connected with the Kducational department In order to make fictitious coinparijons; repreaeoliiiK the p«-titioners as opposing a non-denominational college, and Dr. Wil-on's speech as defending it; when the petitiooeis had actually stated in their petition itself a willingness that the non-denomiua- tiopal colleges should have twice the income of any denominational college; and when Dr. Wilson's speech waschitflyan attack upon denomiDationai coHeges and their snpporters, rather than a defence o( k DOD-denomiDatimai college. I had intendtil also to expose anew the dec»ptive quotations which Mr. Langton makes in order to justify the new system of options and schol^hips; but my exposure of these In my reply at Quebec may be considered sufficient »t present; and 1 will not at this late hour discuss in 4et»il this draft of rep'^rt, which was clearly intend- ed at an apology for Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton, and of the enorroons .expenditure of the Senate. But in the vaiu hope of iuducing the committee to adopt the apologetic part of the report^ a par^aph of eoncchsion to denominational colleges is introduced towards the condugion; and that paragraphia as followa— , ^, "The Committee, in thus giving a conscientious expression of opinion as to the intent and meaniog of the Act, desire not to be misuaderstood as to the feelings they entertain towards the institutions on wbosebebalf the petitioners appear, as Bducatiowai, BSTABLUBHSD'S, COMDDCTKD WITH OBI AT ABILITY AMD ADTAMTAaa TO TB« TOOTH OF TH« OOnXTSV; AHD THIT aaspaoTruLLT bco to solicit of Youa bohoubablb ■DOM A rAVOtJaABlH OOBSIOBBATIOB O* TOM* 4PPLI- CaTIOS tOE BtJOH AODWIOMAL HJBHO AID AS MAY ** Mqoisni t« plaoi tuiib ibstitotioiis w a jtati Huch is the testimony by Mr. Cayley and Mr, Langton to tho ability nnd aoTantagfe to the yoath of the uiiuiilry with which the iluiiomloationul col- leges are conducted, and that niter the protraoced and hearoliing iuvistigalion at Quubci/, ami alter all tho u't'-ruiiu'S of Dr. Wilfon, and the so* erH of tho Leader and vttaeks of the Globe against denomina* tiorul colltves and sgaiost public aid being grouted to them. 8uch a testiciony from such a quarter, iiiidiT puch cirrumstuncts, is a complete Irinioph of ilenctininalional colleges over the attacks which have been uade upon their character and efHuieney. If KQoh is the acknowledged ability and uselulness of these oolteged with the small and inadequate aid doled out to them from year to y ar, what would be I heir ability and usefulness if placed upon equal foot- ing with the uoii-denominatioual University (Jolleges uiid receive such permanent public sivi()ii^m should be satisfied —a question which the Memorial of llie Wesleyan Confer ence hft to the Le- itislulure to decide, as the prayer of the memorial was that the Li^gislatoro would ' cause an act to be pars- ed by which a'ltbe colleges now established, or which may be established in Upper Ccuada, may be placed upon equal footing in regard to public aid, either 8» so many co-ordjnuie University colleges, or (which we think the best fys^^iu.) as so many colleges of one Uuiverfity.' Monopoly essential — Justice eondilional. f Bat while tho representatives of the Toronto Uoi' versity themselves admit that the colleges of the pe- titioners have by their ability and ustifa!neEfl establish- ed indubitable claims tp such ' additional poblio aid as a ay be requis'e to place them in a st^te of per- fect efficiency,' Messrs. I^angtOQ and Cayley p-^oe those clainiH.as quite secondary to the monoppjy of the Univerrttty Uollege. With .them tbd monopoly most be perpetaaf>d even if the beavtos shoald tarn- ble down; bat let justice be done to the ooilegetf'of the petitioners if I'urliaBoat pleases I Univernty dinner at Ike Httin ffffUf€ „^/^|(^ , Leader M deacriptitn of it. •,.,,, - h „ And now let os look at the Kfwi of thtir iBOOOort ir. fbifl we have in the pro«Md>Bga of the Toroato Uiii>- evnity dinner of li«rti.wcfek;'Wkvt,tiMi wihoie pnn gramme of the aonopoUsI Qpunpaign issnootiMtdj Th* Bomber at tUiotiD)( with Its; and that . lu their orouto Uui- 9 of the po lut the fund tligioD, and iD * bich the I't to the Le- emoriul wa» . to be pars- ltd, or which ly be placed lid, either as or (which we egea of one k» tonal. bronto Uoi' ea of the pe- iES oatublish- pabliu aid Btfite of per- 'ayley p'l^ oDopply of monopoly should tom- oollegei' of their nooo^ .Tea, Md N» n|q>ort if. !oraato Uiii>- mhole priH •noDliMtib ;hMD«l»ont jolly advo'>»'cflof Torouto Colicgu monopoly. The Tor«intrt hadcr a ■ j «,— "Thetibl sniiili d with evtry luxury, iind ncthlnif of a temiitinif cbumcle" wna omitted from the lull ot fare, whinli emtirMced, brsidra itll the dflicHclrii of ihc ■envon, rainy in a'lvKnc<} of their teaRon. Thf nrir.e waaof the best t)randa, aod iht attniid'tuce could not ha»e been ^left-r " Thi-< is d )uhl!e»» in adviinca of what would he prori'led at any tioiel by ihtf proft'Msori*, Rraduutes, and uidorirrai uatcH of any of t!u) dciiomiuntioca collcgie'. Monopoly, and d'Hcac't's,' and 'wine ol the hest hrnni)ii,' ((cnnrHlly gu hitnd and bund, and are powerful napports to encii other. "" •<* • ,f * ... Ckiitici'lliir'i Blamtinif order to "Jill the gtai$«s"— tkin/r$ the gift of the i(nb'' theifrealeit puweriit thfi world—koto to be exercitei by graauatet nf Univerrity College— re inai ka. After, tt" the pap t t*ll8 us t here ' various edibles were disou«8od and rereivfd due justire,' the Chancellor Ohuirnmn issued his fl st order ' to fill their gUutes' — an orlcr wliich Fcemsto have been repented in regular anccca'ion until a very lute or early hour— interspersed with tho coriespoiidiug ceremony of en ptying the glasses, songs, speeches, Ac. Such being the Chancel- lor's stundliig order for tho occ^ision, bis advice (after quoting the raying of a grea Knglish Eagineer, that tne greatest power in the world uan ' the gift nf the gab') was tho natural Fequel to bia order. The fieader feays— 'The Chancellor then proceeded to make the a;>plIcution,nnd urged upon all those who prs^ed their courw! in the University, and who had gone forth into the world, to ufe their tong'ies, in the streets, and on Ibo hoase-topB in dnfcnse of tho University.' This is the sago andclaspical advict of the Chancellor Judge Burns: so that the good people of Kingston, and of other citiofl, towns aod villagts in Upper Canada may be surpristd some of the'e fine ntorniDgs with the sounds of strange tongues f om the tops of their houses, shouting 'hurrah for tlie Toronto University monopolyl' and when the libations of ' wine of the best br»i)dii,' r:nder so lofiy a position no longer de- nirable, then the sunie tongues may be heard re-echo- ing tho same shouta in the streets. And what a wonderfhl impression muat snch a 'gill of the gaS' pro- dafe npon the common a^nse and thoughtful c rls'ian inhabitants of Upper Canada. Th" power of truth, of christian principle, of parental aftbctioo, of trne p*trioti>ai, is, it geems, as nothing to this newly dis- covered power of the ' gift of the gab,' and especially when inspired into ex-rcise by'wine of the bes^ brands' atid from the tops of the houses and in the streets. Alas 1 for Canada if thi fibric of its institutions, its civilization, \tn patriotism, its Christianity, rested on tufsk • 'gift of the gab,' prompted by sacii an inipir- •tioD. Mr. Vice Ckaneellor Langton on " enthuiiaanC'—that Jor Toronto College monopoly and of denominor tional ColUga eontraited. I will now tfrooeed from OhMiceUor Bcrns to the Viot CMMimilerLAWOfOVfWho, among many things ofniasB'iawniticaaoflb ottered the fdllowing notable words; ^.Tmy were strong in the eoaotry;- by far the largef fMM of It was it thf far baek; bat tbey matt niMmftei- thit amoBg their «toMiieiitB there was a o«Mhk sfieMi^ ^f enthariam wtaA ooald not b« az- IIogenf In behalf of the denominationni colleprea there connot be excited the cnthusiapm of'wino of 'he bcft brands;' or thecnthmd- nf>m of u monopoly of many thousand pounds per an- nini ; or the entnnsiasm of several thousand dollars lis- trih'ited among students in the form of tcholarehifs, prizBi, gold ond silver mednl.s. This 'speciM of en- It nsiasm' ia peculiar to the cau.w of the Toronto mon ipolists. IJotthn ' species of enthnniasm' which cannot bo excited among them; but which ia peculiar to the cautie of tho denominational colleges, is the •nUiusia^m of R veolod Truth— the enthusiasm of Ciirititian principles and fteling — the enthusiasm of puriMtiil cJhri^tian sfTuotioti — the eiithu.''insm of the iieart — the euttusiafm of true patrioti m fuunded on christian principles — the enthudinsm which marks the life, and energy, und progress of Ohris'ianlty iteelf. Befuresuch eat: usiasm.theentbuiiiasm of champagne, of monopoly, of egotism, is oa tho automaton ' o the living man, as the foaming torrent of the thunderstorm 10 the mighty cataract of the everlasting Niagara. J\tr. Lnngton on Cambridge men and Btvdie$—kit miirepreaentationa anifabulout ttalementt. •')'. • Mr. Vice Chancellor Langt ;n made another deliv- anco not less remarkable than that which I havu jui^t noticed, lie said—' Tho reason Oambridge bad lately turned oat so many men of mark was becau>>e of the liberty allowed tho students in choo;,iog their studies, lu his day, however, this liberty was not allowed, and many meu who had afterward distinguished them- selves in life, nerit out of the University without hon- •ira. But Cambridge had found out its mistake, and was not slow to correct it. 'i'he students in the University had now five options for the final degree, which was a little more than we had here.' This is another in addition to the many examples of Mr. Lungton's midquotiog and pervertiuff facts, as I showed in my Reply to him and Dr. AVuson before the University Committee at Quebec. The impressioo conveyed in tlie atiove passage is, that the options at Cambridge are the same as those at Torsnto, only more numerous ; whereas the fact is, as I proved in my reply just referred to, that while the course of studies at Cambridge ertends over a period of four years, including t^felve tfcfms, nine of which must bo kept by every student, no option whatever is permit- ted to any student except daring thelast four of thu nine terms, he is required to beep, n^r nntil he has passed a second public cxamimition (called the previoun examination,) which Provost Whitaker states has been made equal to the examination for B. A. in Mr. Ltmgton's time. It is only after pnrsu> ing all the studies of the prescribed course dnriiig foe out of the nine terms to be kejpt, and after pa»- siog such an examination, that options or choice of stadies is allowed at all at Cambridge dvipg the lost /our terms; whereas at Toronto opuona are allowed fix terms oot of the tigfd terms of the course I — Then the excuse assigned by Mr. Langton for men, who, Uke him, stood so Car below honors that the? went ont in the poU^that is^ ataod so low that their names were not allowed to appear in the ealendsr of the Univer- sity on taking their deme— is equally imsginaiT^sinee tbey ooold always ttte honors ih either tteesies or f^ ' — IT' \ 90 i ? matheiPAtici at Oambrirtge, bj pacaiag no higher ex amioktion in gVMral subjects than tbfv are required at this day. Equalljr fubulous is Mr. LibgtobV Htatement, that .' the reaioo CanibtidKe has Intel) turned oat so many men of mark \i becaue of tbf liberty allowed the stoJenta in o>'0')siD{( their studies; since, la the first place. Can)brld({4 has not for an equal period, during a loni{ time, turned out su few men of mark as lately; an J secondly, the regulations pe mitting studenti to choose studies to the limited extent I bare mentiooed, have, I uoderstaod, ool; come into operation this v«ry year I Mr. Langtan and Dr ff^ilionfaten upon Dr. M'Caul at Toronto after knvinfdupanigedlimat Huehtc There is snother statement of Mr. Langton, in con nexion with one from Dr. Wjl'on which I cannot pass over without notice. Mr. Langion says—' ilc regrotied the absence of Dr. M'Cuul from the com- mittee; ho regretted the loss of his powerful support, strong as he would have been on account of the char- acter of the Frenident of the Oollfge.' And Dr. Wilson i* reported to hnve said. ' he was sorry that the learned President (Dr. M'Caul) had been unable to attend the Parliamentary comtrittee to defend the Uoiversily, as he was capable nt defending it much better than he (Prof vV.) could possibly have done. But they had vuuouished the enemy lor the time at least; and he would remark that they would never rest until they had the Faculties of Law i^nd Medi- cine restored to the University. (Great applause.)' Dr. Wilson's boBst of having ■ vunqulHhed the ene- my,' is as laughable is his threat is terrible of tuxng the country at thi^ Iste date, f>r the education of mom lawyers and doctors The«e utterances were made after the gloi-Refl had been filled and emptied a great number of time^, and wer4 therefore received with ' great applftuie,' as was my name io'roduced and wantonly insulted in a corresponding spirit. Bu' the most remarkuble thing is Mr. Langton and Dr. Svilson's refbreoce to Dr M'Caul, and their pretend ed regret that he was not at Quebec, when it war perfectly well known, (as President Nellesooold have stated from hia own knowledge, had his severe acci- dent, which we all so much regret, permitted him to have been here,) that they did not want Dr. M'Caul at Q'lebec. Some members of the Legislature interested la the investigation had received the impreaaion that Dr. McOaul was the *drag' and 'cankerworm' o( University Oollege, and the question was more than ODce asksd, ' what is the matter with Dr. MoCanI, Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilson don't seem to think mucb of him 7' When the question was put to ma, my an- swer was, ' Dr. Wilson has bten long aiming at Dr kcOAul's place, as Mr. Langton has at mine ; and that is the solution of much that has been said and at- tempted agfiioBl Br. MeCaul, as well as ICr. Laogton's Bigrings and doings against mystlf.' I have differed from Dr licOanl in some questions and proceedings, but we always agreed in eadeavorlng to keep up the Standard of university education. He will doubtless continue to excuse and justify as best be may, a bad system, at variance with what he himself had sought to ertablisb ; but I have always found Dr. McOaal supporting bis views, and opposing those from whom ha niffrred, witb the refinemeot of a scholar and the courtesy of a gentleman— very different from the per- sonal attacks and iasalu which have ebaraoterised ttaa AMresaas and papers of his would-be sapplanUr, Pr./^lllM).: .Bi|t wfa«a Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton come from Qacbee to Toronto, where Dr. McOaal Is preient, and wh«ro he li anrround< d by his stnd»nflr itnd rx-s'iidenta, among all cUisei of whom be has ten-fold the popularity that Dr. Wilson over had or rvar will have, tbcL tn« very man who disparaged him y would have bean glad to tiave bad Dr. McOanl or any one else to help them, afier the delivery of the defence in behalf of the Wes* Isyan petitioners and their representatives. The ' Olobt'i' UatiMent in illtutralion. But to show the kind of fBeling inculcated at Quebee in regard to D>-. McCaul, as w«ll as myself, I quote the fallowing remarks from the^diloriat of the Olobt as late as ibe asib nit. The Olobtnyt 'The indignant feeling of the ambitious Obief Superhitendent at the iotrnaion of certain Profeitcrs on the University Senate, finds tome solution from a remark mada at Quebec, by one of the old members of that body, that in those day* the two Reverend Doctors managed the whole Senate as a little pocxet borough of their own. No wonder, therefore, at the bitterneis with which the new Pro- fttssort have been denounced as a family compact. Their intrusion, it seems, spoiled the whole game.' These words of the Editor of the Olobt— Dt. Wilson's alitr tffo—nn signlfloant, though as nntrae in regard to myself as every thing that proceeds from the sane quarter ; for in my evidence before the Oommittee, I spoke of the Professors of University Ck>llege, their attainments and talents, in terms of respect aaid even of complinaent ; (so much so that my naming Dr. Wilaon, aa witness against himself, as one of several ' eminent individuals,' seems almost to have turned bis head ;) but the Memorial of the Wesley an Confer- ence complained ' that a miijority of the legal quorum of the Senate now consists of Professors of one Col- lege, one of whom Is invariably one of the two ex- aminers of his own student — candidates for degrees, honors, and scholarships ;' and I as well as other wit- nesses, sustained this complaint of the Wesleyan Me- morial, the truth of which was not even denied by Dr. WiLon and Mr. Langton, although they were as angry aa the Olobe at the statement of it. Bat tbe animnt of the Dr. Wilson Infusion into the Senate against Dr. UcCaul, as wvU as sKuinst myself, is perfectly appar- ent from the statement of the Ol»b* ; while the same Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton eome np to Toronto, and in the presence of Dr. McCaul, compliment and laud himl Chitf Si^peraHendmf ne Olobi't ehargt agamtt Iht practuaUy re/uted and aqpottd. In the same article, I am termed by the Gloht the ' ambitions Chief Superintendent.' I acknowledge that 1 am * ambitious' to do what In my power Ilea to make Canada the noblest of Countries — to secure to it the best system of common, grammar, and eollegfate education in tbe world, and to render its inhabitaatt a religions, intelligent, industrions, high-minded, and prosperous people. But had I been actuated by the low avaricious ambition so often ascribed to me by the Olobt, I had the opportunity of indulging it when, in 1856, It was proposed by the Boa. Mr. Ohtiittls And others to elect ae Vice OhaaeaUar f ta whiiliiMgn i oonid have connected my name with the oompletioa of the collegiate, as weU aa oamaoa ta.t graiMMW sehool systen qf edaoation for Usfer Oaaadai aaA added £200 per annum to my aalaqr ; bat 1 .0M*4 % higher doty t^o a^ country and the people ajf vag, ctw^Phi thwi to acoept;the o$ca iwdw WMt J^f|W- stances J nor would! be a party to 'WBndiu|t (heTMl- 21 W ingt of Dr. MeOmil aiiil hli friaadi, m mj aee»pUno» Ot bli offlca would h%w dona at that time. Tbe rt* •alt waa Mr. Lanfton'a alactlon a fav wcakt altar- wardi, at a mtatlnc ol tb« Hioata, wban. u I baT» undartlood, only a oara qaoruui of ftra manbafi warr praaaaL ,i - Anolhtr ip«eimtn c/elattie tUgtme* and purity o/ttutt al iK* Toronto Univtriiiy dinntr. LtaTiog Mr. Lmigtoo and Dr. Wilioo (or tba prfi- «nt, 1 cannot omit notlrlng tb« nn* iprcimea of clat- ■Ic alooucnoa praiaated by ProfiiMor Crott, who com- loaDred hli addrati on tbii wiie : ■ That Dotwith- •tnndlog tbe biUrgand icratcblng of a certain " babjr" of wbicb tbay bad heard lo much, the; had to con- alder their liiter Unlreriitioi of this country, ai well thoie of Eagland and tbe lTnil«d Statei.' Sjurely no atudeiit or profeiior of any dent mioatlooat college can «qoal the ipectman of clatilc imagery and ancient lore contnlned In thit ' biting and icratcblng of a certNin baby,' rery little ezrelied by the Chancellor'i higher night of • tbe gift of the gab,' hailing from ' tbe topi of tbe bouiei' and from * tbe itrerti 1' JUtmarltt »n tht »p«eeK(/ Dr. MeCaul rt$ptctiugd>gret to honor mm. Before dUmiiiing tbii Toronto Unireriity carnival of all tba 'delieaciea of tbe leaion,' and of 'wine ol tfae beet brandt,' I matt no*lceaome rrmnrki in the •peech of the Prpsident of nniveriity College, — thv only ipereh which rose to decrnt mediocrity. Ano- ther ocoaaion will offer for diicuidng bis remnrkii In regard to certain Anerican colleges. Among other ttiitigt he ifl reported to have said, 'We deny that there haa been any lowering with regard to ezitmina tloni for hononri; and I assure the graduates of King's Ooliege that the standitrd is fully hi high now aa when they obtained their degrfes.' Xo one had •aid that the examinations for honours had been lowered; bnt It had been complained that so much of tbe time of teaching which belongod to ordinary stu- dents had bean given to 'honor men,'wbo were allow- ed to leave many of the subjects in the general course of studies. In or o> Jer to study for honors and scbolor- •bips in particular subjects. Bnt studying one or two •nbjecta la ever so bigh a degree is no general nr thorough education. The limited denial that reg ductlon bAS not been made In ezaminationi for honors, involvea tbe admission that there bad been a redaction In the ordinary examinations,— that is In tb« ezatuinatloni of tbe man of the itudents. I'rayer* m tk€ Toronto Universily College. It is said that prayers are used in the Collpge. A Student Informed a friend of mine several months ago, that they had got prayers in the collt-ge now by the Professor of Agriculture, daying th«t ' the professor stood and held bis cap beside his head with one bund and the paper from which be read the prayer with tbe other hand; and the students stood and held their caps in the same war; and there were sometimcb (ii or eight present, and they got through the prayers in three jerks.' I have also understood that prayers were a£tnally commenced In the college not far from tbe time of the present agitation of the University ques- tion beln^ commenced. However, at whatever period the college prayers may have been commenced, as they occupy very little time, *Dd the time of very few, they will probably bo continued. But it is possible that prayers may be so said, ai to be better not said. The Rev. Dr. Cook, In his evidence before the commifee at Quebec, laid that he did not consider a Profesror being even a clergyman, or signing a test, or 'saying prayers every Inorning,' an adequate security for re- ligions character or religion* iottractioxi in a college. AlUftd rtUfkut iMlmllm * MfMH C»Uf4. It Is also said that rellgloua initrurtloo Is given la the College; and ^$ a proof, we are told that Natnral Thenlngy and (he Kvidenres of Ohrlstianity art In- clnded In the College conrie. What student ran he supposed to doubt there Is a Qod, or that ('brlatlanlty Is true ; and to i^aoh him no mire Is to tearh him what he has not been taught and believed from his infanry As well might It be alleged that «nn bad taoght the people of Hpper Canada tbalr dntleo at cUhfnn by proving to them that civil government was of divine origin ; or that tba monarchy soder which we live is the best constitution of civil govern- ment. Natural Theology and the Bvidancea of (irt of collegiate education being ad- mitted by the advocates of Turonto College monopoly, they coorede tbe very principle and the whole ground contended fir by the edvocates of denominational colleges; for It then simply becomes a question as to whether relipious cxprciscB and religious Instruction Hre likely to be bpst provided for in a denominational college, the professors of which must, as religious men (of whatever persuasion,) possess tbe confidence of the religions denomination establishing the college; or whether such religions exercises and ius'ructlon are likely to be best provid'd for in a non-denomina- ' tonal college, the profi^ssers of which are not appoint- ed by any religious body, or In reference to any re- ligions principles, and are not acconntnMe to any re- ligious body; and in which, as the Rev Dr. Onok wfU eipres»ea in his address to the committee at Quebec, 'A professor may be Catholic or Protestant, TrlnitHrUn or Unitarian, Christian or Infidel — waiting regularly on tbe ordinances of some Christian Church, or show- ing ntter and habitual disregard to any Christian or- dinances. There may he, [continues Dr. Cook] ro dosbt there are many perioos in the province who if! bold this • matter of no cnnseqiieDC*, — perhaps nn adrantage; and who are gntisfied if notbing directlj hostile to religion be taught ia the clasiee of a pro- fessor. But thfre are mnny also who tbiak very differently. Itiinot of directly inninl or irrellgions teAoniog that euch persons are atriiid. It ia of the impression made on young men, at a tirop when the awakened intellert is beginning to deal with hll qaes tions, nod to bold every proposition a matter for dia- putt; when the passions, too, are claiming to be re- leased from the restraints of principles, by the mere fact — known to tbem— if the person set ov<>r them — eminent perhaps for intellecta>il powers, and great at- tainments — being infi'lel in his opinions, or irreligious in his practice. The impression it; if such a man cares nothing for reiigion, there cannot be much in reliction that is worthy to be cared for, A foolish improssion tobeinre, bnt whatnsually does i!>hdelity rest upon but such impressions? It oii*y bo safely, assumed of the great body of serious thinliiog aad religious per- sons over the province, that in seDdin^ their sons to a distiQce to receive academical education, they will prefer placing thrm under the charge of men in whom the religious bodies to wbu-h they belong place con- fidence, rather than in an in«titu»ion of which, how- ever it T.ay be composed, the constitution gives no security for the religious character of the professors.' It is clear, therefore, that 1 jronto Gollt^o baa no religious grounds whatever to stand npon; and when its advocates attempt to claim support for it on re- ligions gronndj, they admit that mere tfculnrhm is not a sufficient basis for any collegiate institution in U^nadfl; and that the ad vrncates of denominational col- Leges are right in claimirg that the Provincial Uai- verfity shall include denominational colleges upon equal terms with a non-denominational college and not constituting s mere monopoly for one non-denom- inational college j in other words, that the pyramid of University education shall be placed npon its btse, and not upon its point, as the To:onto monopolistii argue. It now remains for me to state the grounds of en- couragement we have to persnvere in those noble works of placing the Provincial Uuiversity and our system of collegiate education upon the broad base of Christian Canadian nationality, and not upon the acute angle of a local, nominal, nsn-denominational, yet really sectarian monopoly, as will herenfter appear. Thk Grounds of ocr KNcouaAGEUBN'r to action and assurance of success are ia the weapons employed by the monopolists and the basis of their pretensiocs on the one hand, and on the other in the principles involved in the claims of denominational colleges and the modes of procedure in supporting them. The monopolist waporu nf misrepresentation — lis advan- tages and diiadvantages. The weapons employed by the monopolists are those of misrepresentation from beginning to end. This mode of warfare always has an advantage in the be- ginning, as it 13 easy to impugn motives, and the ten- dency of measures, but not always easy, and sometime." impoedible to disprove them; but just in proportion as such systematic misrepresentations are dispro^'ed, either by direct counter o.videuce, or by the develop- ment of the impugned measutes themselves, does re- action come, and parties whose irjudices and hos- tility have been excited by falsehoods, yield to the evidence of facts, and become supporters of what they once opposed, while the friends of truth, justice, and liberaliiy ure confirmed in their convictious, and aaimatiid and strengthened in their effurts. Now among the misrepresentations employed by the monopolist advocates are the following: Fir»t monopnUst misrernvieiUnlion, that the advoeata «f denominational eolhget mre tnd$avouriHg to ' puU dowm ihe Provindal Unhtrtify,' — tht merit of fact. [t ] They represent the advocates of equal right* to denominational colleges as seeking to, ' pull down he Provincial University;' whereas the real ol ject of the advoc>ites of equal rights is to establish end maintafri the Provincial University as contemplated by the University Act. The o^J^ct of the University Act of 1849 was to establish a teaehing University with one college. Thxt not succeeding, the obieet of theUoiversiy Act of 18.')3 was to repoal the former Act, and to estiblisb a n><.. tea hing University, like the London University, inc1adii:g many collegxs; but not identified with one morn thin another. In this Act it is provirled that the Uaivsrsitv shall not have any professor or teach at all, but examine what is taught in all af&liated colleges, and confer d>-grees and honors accordingly, aft<>r a provin ial standard of its own establiabmen'. Whether the provisions of the Act were effective to uc'omplish its avowed ob- jects, is of no importance to the quest! n ; bnt sucb were its objects tit expressly avowed in i*a preamble, and by some of its provisions, as also by the positive statements of i's framer^. Yet it has been maaagsd to blend thi Provincil!ege were, w>(b universal cheers, call- ed the professors of the University, contrary to the expr^-ss provisions of tbe Act ; and tbe funds of tbe Provincial University are virtually controlled and expended by the olKcers of the collegel An outrage upon the whole scope and objects of the University -ict, »s n'ell as a wrong to other colleges nnd the best edocatioial interests of Ui per Canada I Yet thes« monopolists represent the advocates of a truly Pro- vinWa' iiuiver.sity '<.s seeking to 'pull down tbe Pro- vincial Univnrsiiy, when their declared aim, as stated in tbnir memoria's, and in tbe evidciice of tbe r'-pre- sentatives of both Wesleyans and Presbyteriaas befoi' versity Buihority in the country, instead of tbe Uni- versity Collegf^ monopoly in Toronto^ which assumea to bo tue Provincial University. Now the light of 'ruih on this fundamental question, as on olht-rs, will uliimiitely dispel the darkuess Hml mists of niisrd* pres. niitlon, and penetrate t'le public mind cf tbe country with correct views of facts, justice, and pa- triotism. Second mcnopolist mitrepretrntalion, that the advnentet of Denominational C'olleget with to ^'■pull do^tn Univtr' tily College"— practieally refuted. [2 ] Another monopolist misrepresentation of the same class is, that the obj 'ct of the friends of equal rights is to 'pull down University College-' when tfc* Wealeyan Co'iference Memorial itself expressed a wil- lingness that University ColU-ge,(as representing those classes who prefer a nou-deoominaiionitl secular col- (ege,) should have twice tbe endowment of any de- nominational college, and tbe proposals in tbe evi- dence given b(f>re the Committee went even further tb calumny and en in- sult to bay that religious denoiainations are indiff irent to institutions which they have erected at great ex- Eenae by voluntary contributions, and which they are svstained in the sar . way with the exc'cpti'i« of a small grant from the legislature of £D00 or £1000 per annum, while the advocates of the University aoU'denominational college monopoly have uever con- iributed one penny by voluntary contribution to erect he buildings of that college, muoh less to support it. Leave to that College no more legislative support than has been granted to one of the denomioalion .! colleges, — leave it to depend for buiMiags, sal iriei oontingenccs, ftc, upon £500 or £1000 legislitive aid Ser year, and instead of its being, as Mr. Cay ley and [r. Lanicton were compelled to confess, the denomi national colleges were ' conducted with great .-xbility «nd advantage to the country,' and its advocates making up the deficiencies for its support, it would not exist a twelve months, and its officers and stu- dents would be seen deserting it as starving rats flpe from a tenantless house. The true test as to the real preference of the people for a non-denomiuationl or deoomintionil College is for eawh to be placed upon th4 same footing as to legislative aid. It will then be Seen, as clear as day, woicU college is found d oa true principles, and which onu-jnst monopoly— which oollege is the creation of the Christian principles, pa- rental affections, and patriotic fc^elines of the peop'e, and which the creation of State policy, without » Christian heart, and whose soul, and l\fr,and strength are the money of the State, and fir whose very exist- ence the individual liberality of non-deaominational- ism would not produce from Port S irnia to the Ot- tawa a tenth part of the sum which is annually con- tributed for the support of any one of the denomina- tional colleges. When the London University in England was first est'^blishecl, it was identical with London University College, and to its establishment tie fr ends of non-denoniiaational collegiate education ..hrouehout Great Britain and Ireland, beaded by Lord Brougham and Mr. Hum* liberally contributed. Afterwards th<» University was separated from the ol- lege, and made a non-teaching examining body, io- clading bo'.h denominational and non-danominational colleges; but vhe original subscriptions and the iuter- eats which promptei^ them were secured to Uoiver- fltj College, Londoltf and the result of all this migrh'y Combinatioi and inflaenon for non-dunominae chloroform of all religious and Tolnntarj effort. Chounds of the exclusive claims of Toronto Untpersity CoUrge tUuatrated by the speeches at the UniversHy Dinner. Such are the representttlons employed to support !ho non-denominational College monopoly. I remark nei:t, that the grounds of its pretensions and hopes are bs falUcions as its objections aitalDit denomina- tional colleges are frivolous and absurd. Look through the speeches of its salaried officers and advocates at the University dir ner at the Rossin donee, and what basis of religious or manly principles do you find? What noble or patriolio sentiment? What comprehensive viow, what na'ional interest ; what even acient'fi? or literary elevation of thought or taste, in these University dinner ora'ions, from the favorite " gifr>of the-gab" illustration of the Chancel- lor, to the " biting-and-8Gratc'>ing-baby" imagery of (he last speaking I'rofessnr? W '.at vestige of a sub- stratum of truth, virtue, r'ligion, or patriotism can be found in this grand field-day displav, avowedly on the su*^ j 'Ct of n non-denominational National College it- self, on which you can found a rational hope tor the educational future of Upper Canada? Ffivtlous objection as to the too great mult^ieation of Colleges. Then Jh.)W frivolca? is the oVjection, that if yon aid the College of one denomination you must aid the Col- I ges of all denominations ; when the question has nothing to do with religious denominations as far as the State is concerned, but simply with Collegi'S es- tablished by religioiis denomiaations,or tpunicipalitles, or private individuals, upon the conditions that the buildinirs of such Colleges are erected, Professors em- ployed doing the work prescribed by a Provincial Uni- versity authority, and of which that authority is the j'idgp. Ii such cases, the supply never exceeds the demand. But the greater the number of competing colleges in Canada, as in England, (thongh eMh wo'ild receive less public aid and depend more npoa voluntary effort) the higher will the sta' da^d of oolleaiate education be raised and the more extensive- ly will it bo diff.isea, if there be but one University to confer degrees. It is the mul iplicatlonof Universities or Unit>ersily Colleges, and not of Colleges in one Uni- vprsity that tends to lower ths standard of University education. But it ia absurd to suppose that Colleget any more than Churches or schools, establtEbed by voluntary subscriptions, will muMply or be maintain- ed beyond the felt wants of the country. No denomi- nation or pirty will incnr the expense and responsi- 'lility of erecting college buildings and emploving pro- fessors, without a Ben<)e of n>>ed ; and to supply the need felt is the dictate of enlightened Christianitv and patriotism. Those who do not feel that need, will be ^atisfi >d with the non-denominational Oollege already provided for them. Un'ty of religious bodies in support of their CoVeges, «n- other ground of encouragement. But If we are encouraged in our efforts and hopes of success from the misrppresentations, baseless pre- tensions, and .'-Ituious objections of the Toronto Ool- lesre monopolists, we are still more encouraged by looking at the principles and doings of the advocates nf denominational colleges. Look, for example, at he uniiy of the Wesleyan body on this sabject In no large community can absolute unanimity be ex- nected. In our country there is not absolute unanim- ity in regard to the constitution, or even in respect to Ohrlstianltv itself. In so numerons a body as the Weslevin Church, there will of coar*e be individual exceptions. There may be also found renegades from Victoria OoUsge and the Church, and these are Always i']< I u I. I '1 I !| the bitterest enemies. There nikj possibly be found now and then a secret trsitor. But with thene Tory few exceptions, which exist in all cummnnities and on ail oeoMioni, I hare never known so entire and cordial ananimity among the ministers and members of the Weslejan Ohnrcb on anj subject as on the Uoiversitj qoestion. Memorials and resolntiocs from the Con- fer nce,from tixtem district oonTentions, and f^om (wo huntdred and fifty c'ircnits quarterly meetings, tbns representing all bat a fraction of the laity of the who le ehnrcb, are facts unprecedented in our history, and speakalallguage that cunnot be mibnuderstood. An united ministry and laity of onr church are all but iuTincible to accomplish any good object. And it is the manifest goodness and importance of the object, and the perfect identiry of interests in this great ques- tion, that acconnts for this unanimity, and warrants the assurance of success. Dmominaliona} ColUgtt hated on the RtUgiouf Truth and . fnntvtency proftiud by Farenlt and Guardian* of t. Youth. Then there is the plain relieions truth and principle on which onr CHUse rests. Nothing is more true and clear than that if our religion is good for ourselree; it is good for our children, and ought to be taught to them as diligently as we pnisae it onrselves, and if we would not ourselves live for years without the ministrations, ordinances and the daily helps to reli- gions steadfastness and edification provided by our church, neither would we have our sons, during sev- eral of the most eventful and exposed years of their lives, witiiout the best religious oversight and in- Btrnotion (in connexion with their studies of more secular subjects) which can be provided for them. With the very best care and provision in this respect, we are sometimes painfully disappointed ; but with- out such care or provision, moral shipwreck is the natural, and can hardly therefore fail to be tbe general result. Thus all that is imperative in Parental obli- gation, and all that is Christian and tender in Parental affection, combine — and declnre in favor of a collegi- ate education under as faithful and affectionate daily relieions ovtrsighi and instruction as can possibly be seenred. Claim* of Denominational CoUeget rut on the prineiple* of juttiee and Patriotism. • ■ " ' ■ '•"» ^' ■"<■ Justice and Patriotism speak also to tbe same effect Christian principles and affections are the springs of the highest patriotism, as well as the foundation ol civil order, social ad vancenent and happin'ess. If it is patriotic for the State to provide for collegiate edu- cation at all, it is most patriotic for it to provide such education in a manner that will secure to tbe students the best guarantee and facilities for their religious irinciples, morals and character. And wbethf^r that is a college whose Professors, religions service* ecd inetructioDB are in the confidence of a Christian Church, or in a College the professors of wbirh are not selected or responsible in reepect to any religions principlee or character whatever, and in which there is no religious element, can be readily decided by the beart aa well as head of every Christian parent And if it is just to provide a college for the secular educa- tion of those who wish secular education unconnect- ed with any religiona oversight and instruction, is it not just to aid a College for the secular education oi those who wish to connect with it, and who have themselves provided to connect with it, daily religious oversight and InstructionT To this the common sense as wekl at Christian feeling of every cattdld man, can rfetorn bat one aniwer. Duty, and final certainty oftutem in the powir of tkt the truth* Mtolttd. It then becomes omr duty to nse tbe means neoM- ■ary to bring these plain principles of Christian tmtft, justice, patriotism, common sense, and parental in- stinct into contact with the understandings, common sense, Christian principles and feelings of the peo- ple of all classes and parties; and all who are not blinded by prejudice, interest, or partisanship, or averse to all christian teaching, as well as to christian Sabbaths, must as ceriain'y yield to tbe power of these truths and principles, as ''ant chemical obey vital, and moral physical yield *.> laws. In commencing tbe discussion of any fuhject or system, tbe question to be asked, is not whether it is popular or nnpopniar, bnt simply what <>re its principles and what are the laws of tbe hum'.in mind ; for the creator of mind has se coDnstituted its intellectual and moral facnities that they instinctively perceive and feel the force of what is true and right when presented to them,unlesi they are prevented by passions, prejndices, party, per- sonal or sectional interest of some kind. The cause of denominational Colleges involves the union, in the whole course of collegiate education, of all that is divine and pure in christian truth and morals with all that is solid and practical in science and literature. No religions denomination or christian man can deny the valne and importance of this anion without self abnegation of professed principles and duties. Some members or tribunals of a sect or sects may advocata one non-denominational College exclusively, (con- trary to the principles and practice of those same sects in other countries) bnt the secret of such an nn- natural and inconstant advocacy may be found in the fact that by their theological schools and other con- nexions, that non-denominational college canbemade subservient to their own denominational purposes and to tbe corresponding disadvantage of other rival de- nominations. The interested members of sects whose theological schools suck from the non- denominational College all their Grammar School and spcial secis- lar instruction, and some of whose own number are nctnalor expectant recipients of its funds will, of course like the merry dining assemblage at the Rossin House Hotel, * hurrah I for University College.' Yet there will be fonnd even among these bodies, in variooa parts of the country, men of noble hearts and enlarged minds, like the Rev. Dra. Bnms and Willis, who look at Canada as a whole with the eyes of enlightened patriots and christians, and not in the petty selfish spirit of a local professedly non-denominational mo- nopoly, but tributary to tbe special purposes of certain denominations. The candid, well-informed, consis- tent members of all christian denominations except those who are blinded by the gift of some local, sec- tional, or individual advantage, must acknowledge the snperiority of a thoroughly Christian collegiate eda- cation over a non- Christian one — that even silence and indifferentism in matters of religion ir. collegiate education of a youth most (untounteracted by special family or other iofluencesj tend to religious indif- ference, scepticism and vice — especially considering the propensities of the natural heart and exposures to temptation in the age of youthful ardor and passion, at a distance f^om home, and in a large town. There may be many who know nothing of the nature of a col- legiate edncation, or of the comparative merits of dlf- / ferent kinds or subjects of collegiate edncation; bat all know that the absence of carefiil christian instrne- tion and oversight of a youth for successive yean must, if the lessons taught by the laws of mind and experience can be relied upon, be generally at- tended with evils mncb greater than all tbe ad- vantages fit secular leaning. AU know »in>, that if collegiate edacation is good for anything, it ihonld be stadied in all ita partt, like a com- mon or Grammar School edncation, and not be lett to the pupil to pick and choose which he will stady ftnd what he will not itudy, ai may best gratify his caprice, his idleness, or his arariee. All likewise whether they or their families hare any immediate, interest in collegiate education or not, are deeply in- terested in baring the best edacatdd men of the coun- try thoroughly imbued with Christian principles and feelings, na well as taught in languages and science, and that that can only be done, as a general rule, in a system where colleges are as Christian in all their instructions, management and discipline as a Christian fkmily or a Christian Church., . j. : . ., , .^ , , . Furthtr illustrations of the power ofthtte Truthi. The power of these truths is manifest from the unity of the Wesleyan body thronghout the land on the sub- ject, even after so short and imperfect a discussion ; and the few instances of disaffection of which I have beard, relate to persons who, like a certain class of Romanists, have declared their determinaticn not to be convinced, and have therefore refused to read what has been published in the Christian, Guardian or Otherwise on one side of the subject, though they have read misrepresentations and slanders without stint on th ) other side. The newspaper advocates of the To ronto College monopoly confess, by their actions, the power of the truth. Hating it themselves, they keep their readers in the dark respecting it — refusing to publish but one side of the question, though pro fess to be pMie jonrnalists, and though they admit this to be an important />ui(u! question. The power of these trutbs.is also evinced from the ac* tion of ibe memb'irs of the Church of Scotland in oon|| nexion with Qaeen's College and in their Synod, and in what they propose to do throughout all their congre gations, and that without any previous consnltation or understanding with the friends of Victoria College, or tbs members of the Wesleyan Church ; but from agree ment in a common Christian principle and a common Christian and national object. You see the same truths operating among the members of the Church of England, as indicated in the extracts from church of England papers, read this evening by my honored friend, the Rev. L. Taylor. The heads of that church have not taken an active part in this discnssion and in memorializing the Legislature, though their views Md sympathies are entirely with us, stating very truly that personal separation from Toronto College, and their erection and support of Trinity College in To- ronto, is the strongest standing protest possible on their part as to the necessity of denominational Col- leges as the true and only means of securing for the youth of Canada a thoroughly christian collegiate education. The unanimity and cordiality with which ihe grant was increased to the amount of £1250 to each of the Colleges whose representative advocated these truths, il likewise a remarkable illustration of their power. The grounds on w'jich denominational Colleges rest their claims, had never before, in a formal way, been brOjOfht under the consideration of the Legislature ; and it h'^ only been with difficulty, and in Uie face of ftrong opposition, the government have been enabled to get th** small grantf |n their aid voted by the Leg- iaUtare from yoar to year. Yet no sooner did the ^pdi^ti ^&ihfii oaarf vr:.d ^(^f)iit idit iuia J'^id tcti •> M »m advocates of denominational College challenge a taW discnssion of their claims, and commence it in good earnest, then the trnth, justice aad nationality of their claims were so evident and irresistible, that not only were the former grants continued without debate, but increased to the amount of £S00 to each College, with> out a division, or even a speech in "pposUion. The member* of the Legislature of all parties felt and yielded to the truth, and equity, and patriotism on which denominational Colleges rest their claims. And the universal circulation of that truth will produce corresponding conviction and agreement among Chris, tian and honest men of all parties throughout the land. Our duty to spread knowledege on the subject. Oar duty then is as sicple and plain, as our ultimate success is certain. It is for us, and every member of our congregations, to circulate among the reading peo- ple of all classes and parties, what we ourselves know, and read and think on this question so vital for our country. Though we act as a body.we act for the cause of justice among all classes, and for the means of a truly christian collegiate education of our youth, and of all the youth of our country whose parents desiro it ; yet securing the equal right, and liberty, and pro- visions in an endowed non-denominational College for those who wish to give their sons a coIle<;iate education without religious oversight and instruc'on —a strange anomaly And to the ciiculation of the truth as we believe and understand it on this great question, let us add prayer, and the fervour of chris- tian affection and zeal. What Pericles said in his funeral oration to the Athenians at the end of the first year of the Peloponesian war, we may apply to our- selves in this nobler cause—" We place not so much confidence in the preparatives and artifices of war, at in the native warmth of our si,ids, impelling us to action." In regard to myself, I have been a willing and hearty laborer and contributor in behalf of Victoria College from the beginning, though I have no earthly interest in it different from that of any other clerical or lay member of our church in Canada. I have viewed and endeavored to sustain it as a part and parcel of a collegiate system of education for the whole country ; and the same views I advocate this day, I presented in my first official report published in 1846. And the same views which I did all in my power to defend and press upon a committer of the Legislative Assembly a few weeks ago at Qnebec, I nrged at lai-ge in a letter addressed to the first minister of the crown in 1862 as an essential and vital part of a system of Pub- Instruction for our country. But in this question I act in no ofScial capacity, though I bare thus ex- pressed my views in official reports and communica- tions. I have acted, and do act, as a Wesleyan Minister, and a christian citizen, and I hope I may ever thus be able to act, as I have done, without regard to personal ease, interests, or consequences. I hope, with each of my brethren in the ministry, and every member of the church throughout the land, I may ever be en- abled truly to say, as Algernon Syonby said on the scaffold, " The good old cause, vanquished or victorious, insulted of triumphant, the good old cause is still the good old eauit with me." [The tpeaoh was repeatedly cheered throughout, and the conclnsion of it was followed by loud applansa , which was repeated four times.] . ■ . . . I ■ f • - »!■ ill oj 7s;i/Xi 'Hi tatiit iliS !•.> tiia *»iM(»i> vi ,fcflfc^ ►Sjf «£ ] *t lu- ti fi V'?-: fco. Hi-. vUi "1 ■". (t "\({> fy:i ,'''i ( .^ ',.• • rt: c .':;\''> fr. 1 Hi * ■ '.l■ boi •} : , 1 , ■ «" ai.' I :-'i., :'( .•1 f»'>. ' •• 1 t; , [< T..{'^.'!o<> i«noi>j«(|/w.iH«b Irt n-nJiiaixiui; ,i^nirf)v(fii lift fcoifii i-f i»yij»(>|fH «J*t^!*ffw "l? '/i.fr •■ 1.1 - -i • . ' lihni irtf ir<,9j^j,,r!(irt i|jl ..o toil b.Kv ,HoiJAl«^» J«Kn1r»B 1*fli;f!mt; »■. :rfifi fJi.^j bM ^tatcnifiits of gr. Wson ani Pr. f angton' ■ •.■-■■ ■ • ,• ■ 1^ * ,v BEFORE TUB UNIVERSITY COMMITTEE OP THE HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY, .(>.,/,• ^di lo 'If'.' ••> 4*''.| ,J^(»,'_ Of.i-ii.-i',,! 'I.' ; >,, ' >{■ }.i ., ■■ ,>■■ it'i, fN.rOiiT .•: i.hirj ; ts n'> f.;-!,.''i ■, . ■ ■■ I. ■'. '..In , I'.i ■ ■,"•'. » ' ret' ON THIS 2StH AND 26f*k di-' Aklt, 186^6. " V,"™ t* f '*'*' . ''^"^^ ;..; UmVER'>ITY QUESTION: DR. RYKHSOJJ'S DEFEXCE, 4c, IV REPLY TO DR. WILSO.V AND MR. LANGTON. -Ji^.f-. , ^ 1-' ■ Wednesday, 25th April, l?60. J^l'j. '",'. COMMITTEE MET. y^u^^^X-^ ' HaiaWT— The Hon. Vtil.ilOLM CAMERON, Chtlrman. " Mr. CAVl.EY, " " FOLEY. ........ <• M. c.^^^^f, ^ ,, -. ... ..,...,. ,,. , , " ROBI.IM, .. Ji. -.. , , ■„.•-. . " SIVlt'<0>f, " WILSO.V. The Revs. Messrs. Rycrson, Stinson, Kellea and Poole wore in attendanr.u John Langtou, Ejq , Vice Chancellor, and Professor WiUon of University of Toronto, were in atten- dance. Dr. ilycrson addressed the Chairman and Commit- tee as followi : , . Mr. CHA.IBMAN AND GbNTLEMEN, ' Panonii prejudices excited by thi Univtrtity Champion. I am quite aware of the disadvantage under which I appe'ip bafoi-e you to-day I am not insensible of thi prejiidicas which may have been excited in the miudi of miny individuals by the occurrences of the last few dayi ; [ am not insensible of the impressions which soma of the questions and 9t$' tements may have made upon the minds of the Members of the ' .ommit- too as Wdll as others j I am not at all insensible of the faot that the attempt has been made to turn the issue, not on the great question which demands at- tention, bit upon my merits or demerits, my standing as a mtn, and the coarse which I have pursued. This subject, of very little importance to the Committee, of e3mpir.-\tivoly' little importance to the country, pos- sssses a great deal of importance to myself No man cin stan.l in the presence of the Representatives of the people ; no m?.n can stand, as I feel myself stand- ing this marning, not merely in the presence of a Committee, but, as it were, in the pi^esence of my native country, the land of my birth, affections, la- bours, hopes, without experiencing the deepest emo- tion. But how much more is that the case when attempts have been made, of the most unprecedented Icind, to deprive ma of all that is dear to me as a man, as a parent, as a public officer, as a minister of the Christian Church More especially do I thus feel because reading and arranging the papers on this sub- ject, to which my attention has been called, occupied me until five o'clock this morning. Rising to address you under Buch circumstances and emotions, I respect* fully crave the impartial consideration of the Commit- tee, and throw myself on their generous indulgence. Petitiontrt, the eotuirvatort of a high Univtrtity Standard. Sir, the position of the question which demand* our consideration this day, is one altogether peculiar and I will venture to say, unparalleled in this or an/ other country. The ludividuaU connected with my- self — the party unconnected with "^ liat may be called the National University of the cbuntry, stand as th« con-ervators of a high standard of education, and appear before you as the advocates of a thorough course of training that will discipline, in the most effectual manner, the powers of the mind and prepare the youth of our country for those pursuits and thos^ engagements which'^demand their attention as men, Christianu, and patriots, while the very persons to whom has been allotted this great interest, this im- portant trust, stand before you as the advocates of t^ reduction, of a puerile system which has4iever invig- orated the mind, or raised up great men in any coun- try ; which can never lay deep and broad the foun- dations of intellectual grandeur and power anywhere, but which is characterized by that superficiality which marks the proceedings of the educational institutions in the new and Western States of the neighbouring Republic Sir, I feel proud of the position I occupy ; that if I have gone to an extreme, I have gone to the proper extteme, that even If I may have pressed my views to an extent beyond the present standing, the present capabiltties of the Province, my views have been upward, my course has been onward, my atteii^pt has been to invigorate Canada with an intellect and a power, a science and a literature that will ataftd unabashed in the presence of any other country, while the very men who should have raised our edu- cational standard to the highest point, who should have been the leaders in adopting a high and thorough course, have confessed during the discus- sion of this question, that the former standard was too high, and that they have been leveling it down, fl:: ineorporating with it apecnlations which have never •leTated the inatitutions of any country, and adopt- iag a cou»e of proceedings wlUoh never advanced may nation to the position to which I hope in God mj naUve country will attain. Toronto UiUvertily AdvoeaUt Rtspontibtt Jor theperion- aliiiet of the contett. There is another peculiarity in the position pf this question, and of the circumstancua under which I appear before you this morning It is that of coUi- ■ion ; that of conflict with parties who are arrayed on the other side of this question : it is to a certain extent that of trial in regard to a richly endowed In- stitution, and, the enquiry naturally suggests itself, to whom is due the origin of this position? The at- tampt has been made throughout these proceedings to throw the blame on the petitioners, and more especi- ally on myself, and to inculpate me with the entire ceaponsibility of the mutually hostile position that thfl different parties in your presence occupy during thia investigation. But what are the facts of the oase, and who are the originators of the state of col- lision which has characterized this investigation 7 General prineiplu laid down &y the Wtileyan Conference. The resolutions on which these proceedings have taken place, were adopted by the Wesleyan Confer- ence in June last. Now, whatever other changes may have taken place, I still adhere to the people of my youth, who were the early instruments of all the rtligions instruction I received until I attained man- hood. Wliethcr they are a polished and learned or a despistfd people, I still am not ashamed of them^ nor of the humblest of their advocates or professors I stand before you without a blush, in the immediate connection, and identified with that people. The resolutions that were adopted by the Conference, in pursuance of which the Conference appointed a large Executive Committee, consisting of nearly one hun- dired of the most experienced members of their body, to prepare the memorial which has been presented to Parliament, are these : " JUtolved, 1st. That it is the conviction of a large piroportion, if not a large majority of the inhabitants of Canada, that their sons in pursuing the higher |)ranches of education, (which cannot be acquired in 4ay schools, and rarely without the youth going to 1^ distance from the paternal rouf and oversight,) ^hould be placed in institutions in which their reli- gious instruction and moral oversight, as well' as their literary training, are carefully watched over and duly provided for ; a conviction practically evident \fj the fact that not only the members of the Wes- leyan Methodist Church, and other Methodists, but ^e msmbers of the Churches of England, Scotland and Rome have contributed largely, and exerted them- telves to establish Colleges and higher Seminaries of learning, for the superior education of their children. " 2nd. That no. provision for instrnction in secular learning alone, can compensate for the absence of ptro vision, or care, for the religious and moral in- struction of youth in the most exposed, critical and erentfui period of their lives. . "3rd. That it is of the highest importance tp the l^est interests of Canada, that the l^egislative pro- vision for superior education, shall be in harmony with the conscientious convictions and circuqsstances of the religious persuasions, frhich virtually constitute the '"hristifiAity, pf the C9untry. , , " 4th, That the exclusive application of the Legis- lative provision for superior education, to the endow- ment of a College for the education of the sons of that class of parents alone who wish to educate their ions in a non-denominational institution, irrespective of their religious principals and moral character, tp the exclusion of those classes of parents who wish to eduoate their sons in Colleges or Seminaries wl^ere a paternal care is bestowed . upon their moral and reli- gious interests, at the same time that they are care- fully and thoroughly taught in secular learning ; is grossly illiberal, partial, unjust and unpatriotic, and; merits the severest reprobation of every liberal and right-minded man of every religious persuasion and party in the country. . " 5. That tlie ministers and members of the Wes- leyan Methodist Church, aided by the liberal co-oper- atlou of many oiher friends of Christian education, have largely and long contributed to cstabliBh and maintain Victoria College, in which provision is made for the religious instruction and oversight of Students, independent of any Legislative aid — in which there arc fifty-nine Stuifcnts iu the Faculty of Arts, besides more than two hundred pupils and Stu- dents in preparatoi;y and special classes — in which no religious test is permitted by the charter in the admission of any Student, or pupil, and in which many hundreds of youths of different religious per- sun^ions, have been educated and prepared for pro- fessional and other pursuits, many of whom have already honorably distinguished themselves in the clerical, legal and medical professions, as also in mer- cantile and other branches of business . " 6th. That Victoria College is justly entitled ib share in the Legislative provision for superior educa- tion, according to the number of Students in the Collegiatu and Academical courses of instruction. " 7th. That we affectionately entreat the meraberf of our Church, to, use their influence to elect, as far as possible, public men whp are favourable to the views, expressed in the foregoing resolutions, and do equal justice to those who wish to give a superior, religious education to the youth of the country, aa well as those who desire for their sons a non-religious education alone. . " 8th. That a copy of these resolutions be laid hc- fore the quarterly meeting of each Circuit, for the consideration and co-operation of our official breth- ren throughout the Province " 7%« Ttronto tnonopoly-Adnocates commence the per tonal and party attacks. These resolutions were laid before the country, and what was their reception by the University College advocates? They were received by attacks upon the Wesleyan body ; upon their Collegiate Institution ; upon other Colleges' in the country, and upon myself individually. These attacks came from the part of the advocates of University College, who drew their inspiration, no doubt,' very largely from those imme- diately and directly connected with that institution. The 'Wesleyan body were spoken of as robbers of a public fund ; their institution was denounced as a mean, contemptible school, unworthy of the name of a College ; and every possible term of opprobriupti was Used as regards myself. These attacks 1asted[ from June until ,the following autumn, while I never said a word or wrote a line. Yet the Resolutions of the Conference simply treated jf a general principle. Whai was the result? tPhj, that the advocates of tlie Wesleyan Conference ■^ere copip?lled in self-de- fence, in defence of th^ir College apd other Collegels of similar charactjer, to say that they bad an equal claim, to public, consideration wi^h University Col- lege, that thei'e w&s potting in it which should give su(;h.a lofty character to its pretensions. The aavor oates of University College sajd that was the opl^ College in the country wortb^ 6f the hatne, 'th« o&ljr 5 N NC ono to which any sort of respect should be paid ; and the adrocntes of the Conference were thus forced to assume the position of comparison, which they did not originally contemplate. Had the writers who drew their inspiration from University Oollege, met these resolutions by arguments as to the principles on which A great national system of education shall be based, instead of byattaclcs on the Wesleyan body the attitude of collision would not have been witnessed. i ! What this Universily mode, of argument forced the Coit' ferenee Oommillee to do. But when the large Committee appointed by Con- ference, consisting of between 60 and 100 members, met for the purpose of bringing the question into the immediate view of Parliament, they found themselves compelled to institute and pursue that very enquiry into the merits of the educational course of Univer- sity College, in justification of their own institution and claims. If, then, there has been anything per- sonal, unfriendly, unpleasant, in this investigation, the indiscreet advocates of University College have themselves to blame. They courted, and they must bear the consequences of the quarrel. I have said that from June to November, I wrote not a word, but when the memorial was prepared by the Committee to whom it was given to prepore it, then, under the auspices of that Committee, the subsequent discussion took place, and papers were prepared in illustration and proof of the complaints and statements of the memorial. Were we to blame for this? I would ask any member of this Committee, if ho himself, with a cane in his hand, were pursued day after day, and week after week by barking curs, that not only con- stantly annoyed, but occasionally bit him, would he not repel them by an occasional rap on the head ? When the advocates of the Wesleyan Conference felt that they had the material to refute the imputations thrown upon them — ample material, not only to de- fend their own instituti6n, but to shew that it stood upon equal ground with those who made exclusive pretensions to graduatcship or to anything like scho- larly judgment in devising a system of superior edu- cation for the people of Upper Canada, ^hey would have been cowards and poltroons had they not accept- ed the challenge thus thrown down, and be ever ready to meet their opponents here or any where else, face to face, upon the ground of fact, principle and justice. The Brown, Wilton. Langton, Onyleii eontpiraey to break dovm Dr. Rycrson. Then, Sir, instead of entering into this question as they should, the attention of this Committee and of the country has been turned from the great issues and fixed upon myself. My sins have been the theme of paSK days' investigation and reinark ; my infirmities, weaknesses, inconsistences and demerits, have been the substance of all that has been pressed upon your attention day after day, and the text of the two speeches to which I am now replying, each upwards of two hours in length. I confess that I have infirm- ities and sins, but at the same time, I submit that they have no connection with the real question before the committee ; yet, as they have been brought before you, I may allude to what has been said, although, while the attempt has been made to fix upon me the 'esponsibility of all that has been done, the parties /ery well know that of the only two points on which they rest their charge— the one relating to scholar- ships is confuted by the minutes ; the other relating to examinations is shewn by the Appendix, printed ia the Journals of the House of 4j8geiji^|jr, m 18,66, to have been confined to 1864. ;' ., ; ■,," Plan of Dtftnee — Dr. WiiUwit Vnivirtitjf auumptiom " ill thii Canada of ourt." With these remarks. Sir, I proceed immediately to the subjects which claim the special attention of the Committee, and shall notice in the first place the pr»> tensions and statements of Dr. Wilson alone ; in the second, the statements common to both Dr. Wilson and Mr. Langton ; in the third place my estimates for the expenses of erecting buildings suited to a Provincial University ; and, lastly, the questions which demand the decision and consideration of the Committee I am to notice, then, in the first place, the pretensioiu and statements of Dr. Wilson alone. He placed him« self before you as the Representative of University College* while he adverted to Mr. Langton as the representative of the Senate. Sir, the assumption! Dr. Wilson made, as well as the manner in which he referred to others, are not unworthy of the atten- tion of the Committee, or without their proper moral and usef\il lessons. Dr. Wilson, in the first place, made an eulogy on the Faculty of University College. He spoke of each member of the Faculty as charac- terised by some superior attainments and excellen- cies, and described himself, last but not least, as » man who had attained some distinction, in his own country before he came to " this Canada of ours"— (his favourite expression.) After this description, he said to you ; — Are we not fit to be entrusted with determining the College education of your youth, one of us being from Edinburgh, another from Oxford, another from London, another from Cambridge, ano- ther from Dublin, and another from Padau, the city of " relics 7" We, he continued, have anxiously de- vised a system of education, and sometimes we have sat up until after midnight in doing so. This is the assumption, this is the basis of many of the subse- quent remarks addressed by that gentleman to the Committee. To Teaeli, and not to Dictate, tea* the object in bringing Dr. Wilton and othtre to Canada. Now, Sir, I think that Dr. Wilson, and the other gentlemen to whom he referred, from whose attain- ments and ability, I wish to detract nothing, must themselves admit that they came to this country as teachers — he of English literature and language ; the the rest of certain other branches. He, however, seems to think they did not come for that purpose only, but for more noble, exalted, almost legislative purpose of giving to the people of Canada a system of Collegiate instruction I Dr. Wilson says,— Shall not we be entrusted with determining the question— we all graduates, we all men from old Universities, and will you pretend, people of '^"nada, to dictate to us, learned persons, what kind of superior education shall be adopted for the training of yonr youth ? Sir, I went to Europe for the purpose of obtaining persons qualified for special work, but I did not go to them to dictate the kind of education to be given here or the manner of (giving it. I procured them to carry out a system alrr.ady devised for this country, not to dictate one to us, much less to do so in the assuming tone in which these words were addressed to you the other day. I think these gentlemen, whatever may be their talents, whatever may be their attainments, mistook considerably the purpose for which they were brought to this countrjr, when they* set them- selves up for judges as to what kind of Superior Edu- cation the people should receive from them. The people of this country have devised a 83rstem for themselves, ^nd these gentlemen were brought here * " Uoanthorbfd RtprawntatlT*,'' uid ■nothw of hl« aaamp- tioni M it atUrvarda prond. Se« Dr, MoOanl'i UiiiTerilt>- DUf ntr ip««cl>. «■« 89 B8 instruments to carry it ont. Wlien tliejr depart flrom the position of labourrrs in tlie woric appointed and assume to tiie dictators, thoj sadly mistalce iheir office. There are, howeTer, other persons t)«8ides Dr. Wilson, who think that because they have come across the Atlantic, they are alone wise, and that Canadians are to accept blindly the dictatorial dogmas they may put forth. Sir, although our country may bie young, yet the intellect of a country does not depend upon its age. There may be a vigor of intellect, a self-reliance, an energy and perseverance in the very youth of a country, that will not bow down to exotic dictation or assumption. The people of Upper Cana- da know their own wants and did not send to one gentleman flrom Edinburgh, another from London, Ac., to tell them what kind of education they shall have. But I doubt whether Dr. Wilson has been authorised by his colleagues to make such assump- tions, especially by the President of the College, who, I believe, has reluctantly submitted to much that has been done in regard to both the standard of matri- culation and the system of Options. Dr. WUton the noti'Oraduaie, ituultt the Chief Public Men and Legislature of Canada. .1 Then, Sir, in pursuance of the same line of remarks the same kind of assumption. Dr. Wilson told you that I was altogether incompetent to decide upon questions of this kind Dr. Ryerson, he said, was not a graduate, had never enjoyed the advantage of a College education, and was to be blamed for dealing with subjects of the details of which he did not com- prehend. Now the principle which lies at the foun- dation of this assumption and imputation is, that no man who has not been trained up in a University is able to judge or decide upon anything that pertains to University College,— an assumption which, I am sure, will not be very readily submitted to by the people of " this Canada of ours?" A man. Sir, may never have graduated at a University and yet have acquired more knowledge than half its graduates. — Going within the walls of a College is one thing, and pursuing the subjects of enquiry and investigations involved in a College course is another; and th/.t man who pretends that one who has not gone to College is unacquainted with what are the proper subjects of a Collegiate education, and incapable of judging of the course which should be studied, is a man who must stand before us, in this respect at least, as one of the " relics" of past ages, who will not be much tolerated in this our day. Partiet whom Dr. WiUon't innltinff proeer^tion ineludee. If I am on this account proscribed from being con- nected with the direction of University education, I stand on the same ground with the late Sir James and Andrew Stuart of Quebec, two minds that adorn- ed the horizon of this country with a splendour un- equalled i£ our day. I stand on common ground with Archdeacon Bethune, of Cobourg, one of the most reined men of the country ; on common ground with the late Hon. Etobert Baldwin, one of the most pairiotic men of Canada, whose memory we all revere. 1 stand too in the same position as the lale Sir James Uacaulay, one of the most learned and indefatigable jarists that ever sat on the bench of Upper Canada ; on common ground with the Chancellor of Toronto Unlversit'^, Judge Bums ; so tldit if I am to be pro- •cribed fyom deciding on this question, the Chancel- lor olin^elf is an Intruder on the ground he now ocpupies.' I sUhd on «ottMi>on ground with Sir J. B. Bobinsbn, the Chief Jtistice of Upper Canada, one of tke mo*t aeoomplished men, the finest intellects, the most profaaa4 jnrists of oar day, of whom Sir Robert Peel iiri4,w|;9n» oe«*3ioi^ **»>• ▼«• the cleverest man he ever met." Then, Sir, if this assumption be true, what business has the Committee with the ques- tion before it? There is but one member of it a graduate, the Hon. Mr. Cayley, and all the others must sit down in silence and leave the report to his dictation, inspired by the gentlemen of whom he is the *' organ." For what business have you laymen, who never graduated at a University, with the affairs of the Educational Institutions of our country ? You are not competent ; you are undertaking to decide a question of which you can know nothing I On that principle too, I may ask, what busiucus bare legal and farming gentlemen up stairs to deal with the mercantile business of the country ? How are mer- chants and farmers to judge of laws 7 They are not lawyers, they never studied in a Lawyer's ofiRce, or passed an examination for admission as Barristers. — Lot them sit down then and receive tbcir laws at the hands of the learned gentlemen of the bar. What business have Mr. Gait and other gentlemen to inter- fere with the questions of political economy — they were never at a College where political economy was taught, so that what can they know about it? What business has the whole Legislature of Canada to deal with any question of civil polity — perhaps not one of them ever attended a course of lectures on civil polity ? If you proscribe me, you proscribe Parlia- ment itself from judging of civil polity, political economy, jurisprudence, for its members never were at institutions where they were taught t The new legal light of Univertity CoUt enonu* of M, \», thst ttai* veiitabto dagree n tb« dinlfled College of Edtubargb, whtre tV* been MoiMted,— bat tiwm St. Aadi«*V-a • Tha BBkiadeet i emanated, not ftoB be t»oftM*f to bav* 1 Uatvetti^ AMIy i sain i d tor tte sale of tbM» verj t epetmry itr % ii (Jompariton n/ Iht Laboun of Dr. RytrMon and Dr. WiUon. Sir, I Imv no hcsiUtion at all in comparing what I have done for my native lanil irith wliat that gen- tloraiin has duno for his, and onr claim!) trt the grati- tude of our re.spoctive countries. He, to be sure, has publHliod a book, but it was a book upon 'relics,' a book upon antiquities ; ttnd I have myself seen in Edinburgh a museum of ' relics' arranged by him. Ho has a peculiar affinity for subjects of that descrip- tion, aad in his leisure moments in this country has dovutoJ him.self to the disemboweling the cemeteries of the Indian tribi'S, in seeking up tlio tomahawks, pipes and tobacco which may be found there, and ■ writing essays upon them. But look to my efforts, my period of labor for 'i'S years, and say whether the imputations of that gentleman are deserved I can appeal to the Representatives of the Provinces of Nova Scotia and New Hrunswick whether they have not availed thcraielves of the labour I have perform- ed iu this cantry for the education of our youth. I can appeal to the Australian Oolonles where ray regu- lati'ja.s and cichool Act have bften published under the auspices of the Government. The Secretary of the . Province of Adelaide lately visited this ccuntry in order to make further enquiries with a view df intro- ducing our whole system as far as possible in connec- tion with the Municipal system of those Countries I appeal to the Province of New Brunswick, the land of ray sainted mother Five years ago I went down thither as one of a Comtiission to investigate their • Collegiate system, which had been the subject of liti- gation as keen as tliat which was connected with King's College in this country. I prepared a report at the request of the authorities and drafted a bill. The Government that was then in power went out, another came in — and I received but a few weeks since a letter from the present Attorney General there saying that the bill I prepared tive vears ago had been sanctioned by the Legislature, and being reserv- ed for the Koyal Assent, nad received the approba- tion of Her Majesty. Although I am not a graduate of a University, and should be therefore excluded under the proscriptive principle of the gentleman who has attacked me, from maddling with universities at all, I have made this contribution to the further- 'ancB of Superior Education iu our neighboring Pro- vince. Why should I speak of the Common School System I have been mainly concerned in introducing here I I will only aay that Lord Lansdowne, that Nestor of Brit'sli Statesmen, observed some years ago, that no greater blessing could be conferred upon England than transplanting to it the Canadian sys- tem, but that such w;is tlie state of puJbUc opinion, . they could do nothing more at present than grant aid to the Denominations, for the, elementary education of the people. I think tte public can jiidge between me and the gentleman who has recently come to this country, as to the assumptions he has made, and the imputations he has taken the liberty to pour upon me I may say this much more, that a salary of £360 ster- ling would not take me, from . my cpuntry, and carry me to one, the very currency pf which I di^ n^t ^u|0|W when I accepted the appointment. '',''.. 'y'^l .j, j ! Dr. Wilson's dilemma on being confronted, with kit for- '' 'mer opinions on Englith UntvertHif Ettueation. I'now turn to a complaint wWeh 'it took Ihi gen tie-- man ' twenty minutes to tnalkd, that ah ' ^pMttCtrtir- ~af tide in a pamphlet of his was not fairly quoted by ',' iae. Hd says I omitted the fint para|^ph of it. %n^ ' ought not to represent him ok tho a^iTdptitb 6f eias'gi- tal Btodiei H tiM means of giving the bast i|nlT«rsity •iuoation. Did I misrepresent him as luchT Kq. The two eztraatft fVom what ho terms his ephemeral article— and during his apology for himself he seemed to be ashamed of it, as ttiuugh it came in unpleasant contact with his preaeut views, and he were anxious to disclaim it before he entered into criticism uponit —are such as to show that 1 did not The heading of the tirst, is "Mode of Teaching I" and it shows, that gentlemen who came from Oxford and 'nm bridge were not thought to be relics of a past ago by Dr. Wilson then, whatever theymay be thought of by him now, for in that article they are held up as tite most suc- cessful teachers of any country. Here is the extract in question : — " No institutions in the world turn out a greater uttmbor of highly qualifled teachers on the subjects specially cultivated by them. Apart from the Tutors, public and private, numbering hundreds, within the circuit of the two Universities, Oxford and Cambridge provide professors and teachers in their own special de- partments of IJlasaica and Mathematics to the great ma- jority of the public achools of England and the Colo- nics. The Colleges of London, Manchester, Rirming- ham, and Durham,ail the great public schools, and even mathematical and classical chairs of the Scottish Uni- versities, are supplied from the ancient seats of learning on the C HiU^fdUM ** ^»'" • :« YiireSlliteri6t tb'ioitofcHika Tale, and iHt^Viffd aiid'Yiire-^iUftribt tb'G«iit>U^a of; London, o^eimQTEmiiili vL6^t »^, i^ m6Yii^ hi- ii TbU rtAMD(JS fo' fhn'fasMiyliMlitVaiitMitir'iWik (If thvTlM OUaSdM aMMUr/titli«<«-«slM'llM«l^itrwi^aMiM»| *»aiaK7 gritjSo?r.^5s'sr,ussaisi«!2*'^^ n J, V ^t Jection, tho romark \a therefore a confirmntinn of my /irKumont, and rofiiUs tho asHortionH nmdo by the ;:on- tletuan liimadf. lie aayi, indci^d, to bo xiirc, that bookn jMe no guida by which wo arc to Jud|{e of a Rtandard in the matter I am qiilto miro of that, but I tbel confi- dent of my ground when I say that the standard of . Jlarvard College, and of the learned and iiracticnl ^n connected with it, are quite as good a security . that the boui1»o»/or their prac,t^ca\ duties, tb?n wnatVAe jjm^wiing of ^14, pvw<^ W0t4»» tjhat tliere a^^ no men f,jffbP can cojfflWfe.]iritb linos?, of 0|Sii' KuliiTt I'cvl, a Glad- stone — men the glory "*' any age and of any country. Uappy agreement of Dr Wilimn and if the Ihn. Oeorgt Broicn on Ihh print And surely ho could not have thought, when he said Oxford training did not lit nieii for tlie practical duties of life, of Mr Cayley, an t>if(irort of the Cominissioners on Civil Service Examinations for India Theue Com- missioners consisted of Lord Macaulay, Lord Ash- burton, Rev. II Melvill, Professor Jcwett, Mr. Show Lofovrc, (late Speaker of the House of Commons,) do not recommend options to students at tho end of the first year of their collegiate course, with a view of" pursuing special studies. Their words are as fol- lows : — " We believe that men who have been engaged, u(i to 21 or 22, in studies, which have no immediate connexion with the business of any itruf'esaion, and ot which the effect is merely to open, to invigorate and to enrich the mind, will generally be found, in the business of every profession, superior to men who have at 18 or 19, devoted themselves to the special studies of their calling The most illustrious English jurists have been men who had never opened a law- book until after the close of a distinguished academi- cal career Nor is there any reason to believe that they would have been greatur lawyers if they had passed in drawing pleas and conveyances tho time which they gave to Thucydidcs, to Cicero, and to Newton. • • Skill in Greek and Latin versifica- tions has, indeed, no direct tendency tg form a judge, a financier, a diplomatist. But the youth who doc.« best, vrhat all the ablest and most ambitious youths about him are trying to do well, %ill generally prove & superior man. Nor can we doubt that an accom- plishment by which Fox and Canning, Grenville, and Welleslwy, Matisfield and Tenterden first distinguifched themselves above their fellows, indicates powers of mind which, properly --.ined and directed, ma^ do great aertice to tho Stote.*''' r.'Mw^ ?'<♦ 'w . 'iri-[ Dr. Wilton again confuted in regard to brothjirly lowVin rtligiotu denominations in Scotland. Then, Sir, Pr Wilsofl gives you a homily on Scot- tish University dolleges; says I hare mistaken their charac^r ; that I do not know anything about them — fiii that thejr are non-denobtnatlonal. And bu then ^ew almost eloqtient in speaking of Scotland as acoob^ 6t brotherly love, where Uone of the aecta* riari^JBUn^ ^x|al^ that ctaarlioterlcea 'this Canada of o'tirt;' aiheetft^ iltddenti of all cieeds are there edv- ^tedi ^Jsetplier^ fiii^ go forth als one unitefl company ^' ttn adVuietiimDt'and welfare of thefr niitiT* land. :i I recollected, when bo uttorod thoio lontimenU, what I had rend in a book called ' Eisayi on Christian Union,' and I found It In the library of Dr. Cook. Here is an extract from it, written by a Presbyterian Minister in Hcotland, la one of the prise Essays on Christian Union ;— " In no country where religious freedom is enjoyed is party spirit more prevalent. In some it is more offensively displayed, and more deeply tinged with malevolence ; but in none is it more widely spread and morn tenacious of its little pucnliaritlcs * * * * * • This hot and schismatic spirit, which to a greater or less extent pervades all the re- ligious parties in Scotland, does not spring from great conscientious differences as to doctrine or Church order. The Church of Scotland, the Re- formed Synod, the Secession Church, the Relief, the United Original Scccdors, and the Free Church, are all Presbyterian in their ecclesiastical polity ; agree in their doctrine, worship, discipline, government, and ecclesiastical forms of procedure. The Westminster Confession of Faith and Its two catechisms are the principal standardf ji' then nil. It is only in a very few points, and theie not uoints that touch a sinner's Balvation, that they are at variance one from another. Nay, farther, the Indepeudents, Congregationalists, Baptists, Methodists and Moravians, all teach the doc- trine of justification by faith in the atonement of Jesus ; so that it may he affirmed that the doctrines of the cross are preached with more or less fidelity by nineteen out of every twenty ministers in Scotland; and yet there is scarcely such a thing as two minis- tors of different denominations exchanging pulpits with each other. In the most of parties there are laws strictly forbidding it. Wero a minister in some denominations to venture upon the extraordinary step, he would likely be rebuked by bis Presbytery ; and, if he did not confess a fault, he would be subject to deprivation of offlce and benefice" (Essay on Christian Union, pp 387-388.— Rev. Gavin Struthera, Glasgow, D. D.) I am sure no one can say that the denominational Colleges in ' this Canada of ours' do not engender feelings of much greater brotherly love than those set forth in this extract as obtaining in a country where, the hon. gentleman says, there are no denomi- national Colleges at all. Although in that point, as well as in some others, his history is a little astray, and the denominational test the professors were re- quired to jubscribe has only been abolished within the last few years. Dr. WiUon'i mititaiemtnU ai to Engluh Non-Dtnomi- national Collegu. Then ho refers to the non-denominational Colleges of Ireland and England. He says : " The system pursued by the British Parliament in all recent reforms in higher education, as exemplified not only by the new Scottish University Act, but ako by the establishment of the Queen's University in Ire- land, and the London University in England, abund- antly proves how thorouf^hly British statesmen are alive to the importance of the members of a free com munity receiving their secular education in national rather than denominational institutions, and being thereby trained to co-operate in all the great public duties that devolve on a free people." The Colleges of Ireland, sir, though by their coa stitution they are non-denominational, yet for prac- tical purposes they are made to partake to a great extent of that character, owing to the composition of their Faculties. The College in the North, at Belfast, has for the most part Presbyterian Profesiors at its bead. Cork is chiefly Roman Catholio; Oalwaj, chiefly Church of England. Thus the views any preferences of the various classes of the communitd are met. But the gentleman refers especially to the London University as showing the views of British statesmen in training up the y^uth of its difTerent denominations together in the i urse of their College education. What is, however, the fact? Of over fortv Literarary Institutions and Colleges in Eng- land which are affiliated with the London University, and apart from the Medical and Law Schools, there are only two or three that are non-denomlnatlonal, of which University College is the chief. The very object of the establishment of London Univcrsitv was to oflbr facilities for training up young men in those denomi- national colleges. Here is the calendar wliercin we read as affiliated institutions ; ' The Wcslcynn Institu- tion, Sheffield ; ' the Wesleyan Institution, Taunton ;' two or three Baptist, two or three Presbyterian Col- leges, two or three of the Church of England — the young men who receive education in these, going up to the University of London for the purpose of receiving their degrees It is not a little singular that the non-denominational college, at first constituting the University, is now as distinct from it as any- of the others. Its supporters, it should be also remarked, do not sponge upon the English Government for the maintenance of it. Its own resources, arising from voluntary contributions, like those of the Wesleyan, Congregational, and Baptist Colleges, are made to pay for its buildings, and it.does not receive one far- thing from the State. Do-nothing ulfi*hnei* of the non- denominational ColUgt Advoeate$. Let the advocates of non-denominational colleges here put themselves in a similar position, lot them put their shoulders to the wheel in the same way — let them pay, individually, as I have paid within the last two or three years to my friend Mr. Poole, some X'lSO as a contribution to Victoria College — and others have paid more in proportion to their means than I have. Let them beg, as I did in England, some $2S,000 in 183S and 1636, and then meet their fellow subjects face to face. Why Univer- sity College is the most complete free school in Upper Canada, the whole Province being taxed for it, while its advocates do not contribute a farthing towards its expenses. For Dr Wilson to allow the buildings of his institution to be quietly erected for him, and then come forward and exclaim against us, denounce lu for asserting our right to a single farthing from the State, is a course of proceeding quite original with himself and his friends, and worthy of their cause. [Dr. Ryerson here handed in a list of the Colleges affiliated to the London University, and said that if the history Dr. Wilson taught his classes were gener- ally as faulty as his facts about the non-denomina- tional character of the Colleges affiliated to the London University, his pupils could not bo very much edified by his prelections. He then continued :] Dr. FtZtoiu' ignorant Mintprumtta VMoerntg, Dr. Wilson says, f\irther, that Cambridge and Ox- ford are denominational, in contradistinction to the Scottish Universities. It is rery well Icnown that in past times, they were to a great extent close Unirer- sities, but years ago, religioos tests were abolished at Cambridge. He seems, however, to be ignorant of this, fiA also of the changes which have taken place at Oxford, and I wilL uielreforiB, read part of the Stotnte of the. British Puliunent abolishing tests for Students there : " From and after the firit dftj of Mie&aelmaa term, 4atiam of CamiMdgt 33 n 18S4, ll fli'kU not be uccusiary fur nay peraon upon iBiitriciilAtiug ia tht) Uuivurtily *i Oxfurd, to miikn ' law or utatuta to Ihu cuiitrary notwlllidtaiidliig — (Utb and HUi Vic, cup. HI, huc XLHI ) " From and aftur the tirMt duy of Micltaclinas term, 1834, It xlmll nut b» uucviMurv fur any person, whun taking tliu dugrou of liuclivlur in ArlH, Iers of Canada have never written a single paragraph as to tbe proselylUing influences of that College Not only students, but professors of the Church of Eng- land, and of the Presbyteriau Church have been con- nected with it, and aiQongst others, I may mention the Rev. }Sf. Ormiston, who was not only a student there, btit who, although a Presbyterian, afterwards became a Professor. Thus it may be seen what kind of test, what kind of suryeillance the Wesleyan Con- ferefiLCiJ Jhas exerted over Victoria College. That body ^oy vever interfered with. the appointments of the Board, which appoints and removes the Profes- sor^ and ts composed equally of laymen and minis- tera. t rejoice toat I was the instrument of getting for Yifitoria College, in 18^6, tbe first Royal Charter evef, given to anr religious body in tbe colony not connected with tne Ouirch of England ; though in doiur so, I dlflbred in opijaion from the late renerable Dr ipnnti^Dfh be obj«ciiag to re^d it as a Weslejan Collage, because Its Obart«r prohibited any religions test.. I vwf t»J tbat . tbe spirit of that cUiue has been acted upon to this day. When I Was connected wltjJjtVtetoria GoUege, ther* was a Roman Catholii; student there— there are two there now — and as much care was taken, and la taken, and the authority of the ('ollogo la us much cxorci'cd to provldr, that students of other creeds ahould hare religious In- atrurtlon as the VVusleynn, from ministers of their own Church. ■ ^^■ ajiet vf JJr, H'iUtn'* failurt—Hi» appeal to thi Allot- ' ne\f Urntral iiyairtl Dr. It, Then, Sir, Dr. Wilson impuitus another itatrroent of mine, not ou liU own authority, but on tliat of Mr, Luugtou, iu wUuui he sitys he bus full conlldeuce, as to the comptiruliru etUcieucy as teachers of Urumniur Schools of the graduates of University College, and those of other Colleges. And he presented a formal indictment Uj^uinst mo to the Attorney (Icncral for Up|)er CauuUu, drawing his atteution, us un adviser of the Crown, to what J liud said. The intention of the appeal was manifest. It was with a. view to uiy disuiissnl from olllcc. Hir, if my otliciul position de- pended upon the course I have taken in this question, I should take the courae I now take, and cntit office and its eraoUiments to the winds, sooner than aban- don the rights and interests of a people with whom I have been aasociated from my youth. Hut, sir, I think the Ministers of the Crown are not sucli men as the gentleman imagines. Nevertheless, I take my stand, and I will bear the consequences. If my otticc depends on the course I pursue this day, let it go, and let me betake myself to the kind of labour in which the symputliics of my heart, especially at my period of life, are most deeply enlisted. 'Dr. M'ihon at fault in quoting uruvfported tettimonif.'^'' ' He tells you my statement must bo incorrect, ai)d quotes wliat lie says is an exprettaion of the Itov. Mr. Ormiston's. Hir, I should requite better testimony than that, to believe that Mr. Ormiston would say anything to my disparagement. I refer to the re- ports of the Inspectors, which give their opinions, and these, as the members of tbe Committee may see, bear out tbe truth of my remarks. I doubt whether Mr. Ormiston used tbe expression attributed to h' - here is his Report, and the Report of Mr. Cockl n too, both speaking for themselves. 1 cannot give implicit credit to the statement of tlie gentleman up- on tbe subject, because, in the same speech, he intro- duced the name of tbe Hon. J. C. Morrison, as a wit- ness, that I had supported and voted for measures to which I now object. I took the liberty yesterday, of putting through tbe Cliairman, a que tion to Mr. Morrison on the subject, whether he remembered these proceedings. What was his answer? That he did not recollect them, nor the course I pursued. I leave the Committee to decide between the gentleman's assertion the other day and tbe testimony of Mr. Mor- rison. And if he was so far wrong as to the state- ment of what Mr. Morrison said, it is not too much to assume that ha may have been as far wrong in regard to the imputations he scribes to Mr. Ormiston,., t Dr. J^. an unatuh^rittd ptihlk rttaUer of privati *Y' eonvtrtalion. ''■■'» '" The learned Profissor has remarkable facility ib* appealing to private conversations in support of bis position. He ba^ referred to private conversations, not only with Messrs. Oripiston and Morrison, but with tajaeitf although when or where, I have no idea, as I never called npon him in my life, on any educa- tional matter. He uf ed to pop into my office on vari« ous pretexts. What passed, I know not ; but I can- not permit the gentleman to be tbe interpreter of my Tiews in priTalje .CQnversations sought by myself, any moN tluui I oaa {MM withont rebuke, tiie conduct ^f»»^ I u ! , which, witlioiit tho permhtion of the partiei enn* cerncd, publicly retailt, for pftrt/ purpotei, iU uwn reriiont uf private nonrwriiiitioiit. (f inch • riols* tion of the couTentiitnal (awi uf prlfaie ilfe ii toler- atoil, no nian'i character i* lafc. I hare nuw done fur the preeent with tho Iriirned gontieman. anti I hope I may aalc htm, aa he aneerinRly OMkeA Mr. Nei- lei, after hie croM-exnmination, "are you aatintivil ?" Reply to Ml . Langt(M and Dr. WUion, in eonmclwn with laeK •thtr. Now, Sir, I addreii myielf to the itat«ai«Bt«, com- mon both to Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilion, and I hare grouped them under distinct headi, that the Oonmit- (••'■ atlmtioo may be the more eaally directed to the ■alient poind of the qaeitioa. Pint, they both agreed ai to the l^w on thli •ubjeot ; they both eay that the law ooald not hare intended anything of the kind I anert. Diilinetion Ittwtn the Univeriily Aclto/ \B49 and 18B3 in /uvour of the pttilionere view. Mr. L^ngton laya that ' Mr, Baldwin'! Act of 1849, required erery perion to go to Toronto for Ooliegiate educati >n,' while Mr. Ilineka't Act of l»M, ' provided thatitudenta might be educated wherever tbeyplrsi- ed.' What ii the common aenae, boneat inference from that? Do«e not thia admitted object of Mr. Hinoka' Bill, imply that yoong men aball be aa mnch encouraged to parane tbeir education elaewbere, m in Toronto 7 Row can thia be done, nnleta the col legea tbey attend are equally aided with that at To ronto— how can they be tqually encouraged in other parta of the Province, aa in Toronto, while you aay to them at the same time ' though you may purine yonr •tttdiea elaewhf re, you ahall not receive a aizpenoe, uoleia you come here ; yon may atrive after education where yon please, but you muat atarve nnlcaa yon ' come to Toronto.' No I the law mear a to aay that the youth of Upper Canada ahail be cqnally aided during tbeir whole course of training, wherever car- ried on. I have a better opinion of the Legiilatnre than to think they Intended toenoonrage yontb in pur- suing atndies in variooa paru of the Province, with- out placing the inaiitntiona in which tbey are to be educated, on equal footing as regards Public aid. Pretention that the Act conferred a rtght already poietned, expoeed, and illuetrated. It is as abanrd aa it is unjust and insulting to the parties educating tbeir youth in Ooiicges, in different parti of the Province, to pretend as the law says, that * they shall be encouraged' to do so, and yet to diieour- age them from doing ao, as the law has been admin- istered, by refusing aid to any College but one, in Toronto. The people never asked, or thought o asking, to be tolerated to educate their yoatb " in various parta of the Province." They always had that right. The law did not pretend to give them a right which they already possessed, but to ' encour- age' tbem in the exercise of it. The spirit and objects of the law are the very reverse of Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilson'a interpretations of it. Mr. Langton aaya, " The Senate has done nothing ttAprevent Students from coming to Toronto University fbr degrees." What a great privilege is this when the degrees are bat the dxta of the Professors of University College I To talk of the studenu of other University Colleges going to Toronto for degrees, under such eir«am- stances, is only to add insult to injury.* Th* degrees of these Univenity Colleges eaa iuffisr nothing in • For a fiirtber nporara of thii nojaat and afeMid preiioiitioB, M« a namt letter of PmtMwor Kloptmi, of Oobaeif to Oaa^Uor BanN, lately pubUihed In the Oaer^M. comparison with the degrees eonfbrred at Toronto University, espeelally since younr men can get a de- gree there, with attainments in Oiasaif i and MatiM'* matlcf, aoarcely above those required fbr Matrkula- tinn in former years, when the Hon. Mr. Allen and others of his time, pursued their Gelleglaie studies. What ia required to " encourage" yonto, (as the law expreaica it) to ** proeeente and complete their stadiee In other Institutions In various parts of the Prorlnee," la not going to Toronto for degrees at the end of their course, bnt aid in the proaecntion of atudies during that nonrse ; aid In the acquisition of what is n oee- aarv for degreea. To offin a man the latter, without aiding him to du the (bmer, ia like offering a man th» title of MP P., if he will find a conatitneney and get himaelf elee'ed to Parliament. Degreea, especially inch as are now given at Toronto, are icarocly worth going fbr; the only thing of real value is the Collegi- ate education of which a degree should be a symbol. It is the substance, not the mere shapa>-ious buildings of those Colleges eost, the one at B'lfaat, £34,3(7,; the other •t Cork, £33,809; the third at Galway, £32,743. And yet in each of these Oolleges accommodations wore proTidad for (he Faculty of Law as well as ot Madieine, In addition to the Paeulty of Arts, and for the resideBoaa of both the Principal and Vice-Princi- paL In the preaenee of such fiuts, you mar judge of tha aeoBomy of tba Tice-Ohancellor, and tne Senate of tha Toronto UniTarslty, in expending already up- wards of f 300 000 la buildings for the single Faculty of Arts, and the ezamiaatlons aad oooferrlng degrees by the UnlTerslty. The attendants and all other natters of rqalpoge laust of course correspond with tba magnlftcanca of the buildings ; and therefor* you h»?e no lew thao 45 officers oonoectcd with the aatablishment, eleven professors, and 34 other officers SAd •erraats, besides 29 siamineri. Mr, L«mgt»* in the ekaraeler of Hon. Pettr Ru$*eU, mndiling kit oira aeeountt. ThoB Mr. LangtOB complains tbat we not only object to bis ezpondltare, b«t that w« represent him aa avdlt- ing Us owB aoooanta, aad says, that ' as anditor he has no eoBtrol over th* Bursar's Accounts.' Who ■Bid that ' as Auditor,' he had such control T What waa aaseriad aad what he now adniu, waa, that as Viea*GkaaMllor, he directed tkese expaadltnret, while aa Aaditor ha anditad tha aeooaatt of them. Mr. LaogtoB, aa a plaraUst, holda tha doaWa offiea with tk* doablo tBlarj of Vice OhaBcaUor aad Anditor. Aalntha aavooiB former LieatoBaat GtoTomor of Upper CastailB, who kad the habit of grantlBg leads twMMiir— liifpBlMUiraBaiBg BOBiavhat (kaa: was followed by a stiver age, and that by an Iron >«ge. He forgot that from the age of Loala the Foar- teeth — tk* golden age of French magnificence and pomp— commenced the decline of the moral and in- tellectual grandeur of Franca. Why, If Dr. Wilson's doctrine ba true, we have only to pave our streets with stone, and build our houses with marble, In or- der to become the greatest people In America I Wa have seen iodivlduals practice this doctrine by lavish- ing their resoarces In erecting and furnishing magnifi- cent bnildlngt, and how great they soon became I — Yes, great ia poverty, aad their famiUea great la wretchednesi. LiberalUff (• th* Orammar SektoU ^fltr Ms capital it tqutmiirtd. Suck ia th* practical aad doctrinal ecoaomy of Mr. Langtoa and Dr. Wilson, ia regard to Ualversity baildiags ,BBd expeadiiares. Bat ia the midst of this scene of "itoae aad marble" aiagaifioeace, Mr. LangtOB becomes liberal, and Dr. WUsoa aeoaomleal —the lattar thinking that somothiag may be saved (h>m tha aadowmeat, aad tha farmer, that a surplns may b* givea to th* Orammar Schools. What a pity that this fit of liberality to th* Grammar Sehooli kad oot seized Mr. Langtoa some years aooaer, before his expeaditareaoa buUdiags at Toroato had reduced th* income of th4 Uairerslty wm* £6,000 per aaaaa, aad whea JC&0,000 might kave been |rfvea to th* Grammar Schools, aad then £40,000 left for build- ings, aad y*t tk* lacom* Fund *qaal to what it ia BOW. • ' .. ii_i'. .'_...>. .• t-i-- ..V r, :.■!■.. I . j.u_.. j,:;..jj(., I c Tl m ^ \\\ I i 1 I I Ootifeuion of the year's reduetion in th* ttandard of ' Matriculation. I next advert to what bai been admitted and pleaded in regard to tLe Standaid of Matriculation, or of admts- lion to Unlrerslty Collpge. it la admitted that the stan- dard has been lotrered — lo much bo, tl^at Mr. Lanj;- tOB laya in his memorial to the Li gislatare, that "tbr trae standard of comparison ebonld have been be- tween the former Uatrlcu'ation examination and tbc present examination at the end or the first yenr.' The fact, therefore, allcgod by the Petitioners on this ppint is admitted to its full extent. Mr. LangtotCt tfUement (oj'uttify it ditproved Ur. Langton assigns as one reason for this reduc tion, that "the high standard of Matricnir.tion in King's College, was a subject of loud corjplaint;" and Dr. Wilson ha9 said, thht "the standa. d of Ma- tricvlatiop in old King's College, was igBorU(tpMib,l»> elad«atU« fiagltoh tJaiTcntUec alio in tbii abiard stfttwutot of Matriculation, and that some three years m1wt> (according to the returns) the lengthening of the/' period of study from thre^ to four years. These fkets therefore, entirely o Langton's ' statements, respecting scholarships. Tbe combined ' effort 10 prove that I had supported the proposalto establish Scholarships amounting to $12,000 per an- num, having utterly failed, and the statements against ' me on that point having been disproved by the official records themselves, it has been abandoned, as also the assertion t^at the system of Scholarships proposed, to be established in 1854, was the SRme as that now established. Ihave settled these points in my reply to ' the statements contained in Mr. Brown's questions. Mr. Langton's miatatementi and miiqwtationt etpoud. But Mr. Langton has employed much time and space in exhibiting in imposing arra^, the number of ' Scholarships established in the Universities of Eng- land and Ireland ; but singular to say, every one of his quotations is unfair and inapplicable to the ' purpose for which he adduces them. The object- of bis quotations is to justify the establishment attbe expense of the University Funds, of a large • number of Scholarships in Toronto University, but really, foi the beneSt of University Oolle|^, - and to the injury of all others ; and be so introdncee bis quotations, and arguas from them, as to convey tbe impression, that the system of Scholarships in England and Ireland, is the same as that estabiieh' d at Toronto, whereas the fact is, that the Scbolarsbipa to which Mr. Langton has appealed, are not Univer^ aity Scholarships at all, except those of the London* Uuiversity, which he ndmits to be only nine, (but - w.hich he multiplies into forty,) for forty afBiiat^ Colleges in Arts and Law, and sevtotgr in Medicine. yo Seholarihipt in the Quem'e UnivrrityyirOand, md only Nineteen in Cmmbmdge Vmntrtity, The Queen's University in Ireland bae 'noC a stnglo Seholisrsbip, and expende only £476 per annum in " Bxbibitions, Priawi and Medals," for tbrr Colleges, and in the tbree Vaonltieeof Arts, Law and Medieine. ' f be Sabolarsbipi in Ireland bavaaot bean oreated by , .he Queen's UBiv«rtity at all, b«t'by Royal Patent t» eaob GoHege wpaimtety, and fndeMidant of tb» UU> vertity^ iod designed at the sstabllslinMat df saeh Of tibe Colleges, to cneoarags and enabls stodsnu to ai>' tend them ftons elasses iB«o«totyia IrUaad, wlieM' l^igher •dacattoa has base llttte aaMitttidi fit tl^»- ^^n^- »7 piarpose, a grnvt to fsch OoHege was made, of JEISOO p€T tDDum, ai'd oTer it the Unlyewity has no cortrol, HOT of the Scholnrsbipi eitnbtished hj means of it. T« hare an^rtblng like It in Upper Onnnda, ironid re- quire a ipecifl and spparate gftnt to each College, independent of the UniTeriity— the very nystetn which Mr. Langron and Dr. Wilron oppoFe, and for which no one kai made application. Tbet, all the UniTerslty ScbolBrsbips at Cambrifige are jiirt 19, and are as follows: Oraven Scbolarabips, 2; Browne Scholar- ship, 1 ; Bell Scholarships, 8 ; Poraon ScbolnrBhip, i; Tyrwhitt Scholarships [Hebrew], 3; Crosse Schol- zrehips [Tbf ological], 3 ; Pitt Fcfaolnrsbip, 1 ; in all 19. Not one of these Scholarships was founded by the Oovernment, or the UnlTtrelty ; but by the irdi- Tidoals whose names they bear, except the Pitt Schol- arship, which was founded jointly by the Piit Club and the subscribers to Pitt's Statue. All the other Scholarships at Cambridge, are College (not Uni er- sity) Sc^olarsbip8, established at Tarious times by individual libera !!^ty, for one or other of the qeveoieen Colleges at Cambridge, and over which the University has no control. The Prizes for the encouragement of literature, whether open to competition for the whole University, or limited to particular Colleges, ha^e been establiebed by individual gifts or legacies in the same way. The Cambridge Ca'eudar remarlia, that three fourths of the prices, frte and open to competi'ion for the whole University, are given for Classics and English Composition, and more than half of the an- nual prizes in the different Colleges are given for the eQcouragement of Classical Literature — a branch of learn'pg quite at a discount with Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilson. Mr. Latijffm'i mUrepte»cntaii>eit7 8cho!arflhlpi of Arts, Law, Hebrew, San- scrit, Ac' do not exceed twenty-three— not one of them founded by the State, but every one of fhom by private benefactions under special regulation!. All the other Scholarships are ColIekO (not Univer- sity) Scholnships, font ded by Indivfiuals during the last few centuries, controlled by each as a College trust, acording to the terms of the will or gift II each case. These are the scholarships to which Mr Lang- ton refers, and it is to the improyed management and distribution of the funds arising from those private benefactions to the several Colleges, that the Royal Commissioners refer in their recommenda- tions. But all Mr. Langton's references and quota- tions convey the impres'ion that these College Scholarships and Fellowshi).a founded by private individuals, are analogous to the Toronto Univer- sity SiholarshipB created out of a public endow- ment. The Royal Commissioners, referring to these scholarships : — " We have shown that the original object of foundations was to support poor Students in their education at the University ;" and they head the very section from which Mr. Langton makes bis ex- tracts in the following words, expressive of the nature and object of the scholarships ; " Application of College Revenues to stimr.late and reward those who have not yet entered the University." The scholar- ehips at Oxford, therefore, are essentially different ia their origin, objects, relations and control, from the scholarships esublished by the Senate of Toronto; rind Mr. Lallgton's quotations and thair applications have not been fair to the Committee, any more than they are fair to the public. JVo Etample of Option* like thote Ettahlithed at Toronto. I will next notice Mr. Lang'on's statf ments, endors- ed by Dr. Wilson, in regard to options, or the choice by students of one or more branches of study to the neglect of others. The followirg is the system of options estaHished at Toronto Univerfity College as early as the end of the first year, as given In the Calendnr forl859-C0: "Candidates for honors in any department, who have also in the first year obtained University first-claps honours, either in Greek or Latin, or* Mathematics, or in both Modern Languages, and Natural Si iences, are not required to take any branch in Which they have passed the University examination the first year ; but such candidates bar- ing been only examined in pure Mathrraatics in the first year, must also fake applied Mathematics the second year. Hero it will be seen that if a student obtains first-dass honojs in any one of these subjects at the end of the first year, and on^y pasfes the ordi- nary or pass-examination in the others, he may thenceforward ( mil them; for a student becomes a first- class hcnrr-man by taking Erst-class horors in one subject only. Thus a student may take a degree even in honors, with but one year's pass course of s'udy in Classics and Mathematics; and that when, as Mr. Langton has admitted in bis Memorial to the L'gislRture, the standard of ex>.mination at the end of the first year is only equal to the exai^inatipn fbp Matriculation in former years. , ' Mr. Langton't Mitquotationi at to Queen** ^niv&tily fn IreUmd. And this emasrnlated and shnm system of Colle- giate education, Mr. Langton tells you has the sanc- tion of the example of the Brglish and Irish Uniter« sities I lo the last part of my evidence at my firsft j^xami-'ation (page 41), 1 quoted the report of the Quc«»n's College Commissioners, that no optidft whatever are allowed by the Queen's Universi'y in the ekamination for B.A., in the four subjects of the Latin Language and Litentnre, the Greek Langaage if , I 88 •nd Literature, ud a Modem Foreign Langnage, and Uatliematici. Tet, in the face of thii cipreii langoage of the Report which I hare quoted, Mr. Langton represent! the Qoeen't Unirersity in Ireland aa permitting a dilTerent syatem I He laji I have parti- ally qooted the Rtport, that on the page next to that from which I quoted, the Gommiisioneri recommended a change. But, Sir, the Commiaaionera objected to the fyitem of optiona propoaed to them, and recommended a two>fold ex-amination for a degree — the one embrac- ing the aubjecli of the first two /ears' course at the end of two years, and those of the last year's uonrie at the end of that year ; and this change in the time and number of the University examinations was re- commended with the express view of prcTenting the system of options in the four essential branches pre- scribed : for the Commiscioners say. The Toronto Monopoly Sytlem Condemned by the • ^ Commuiion. " We beliere that a gonf ral uducation forma the ionndest basis on which pre-eminent merit in parti- cular branches of Literature and Science can rest." " With the Tiew of securing the proficiency of the Stu- dent in all subjects, and at the same time lightening the burden on the Student, who is now obliged to keep up his knowledge in the compulsory as well aa optional eronp to the end of the third year, it has been i>oggesfed that a final examination should take place in some of the subjects by UniTefsity Exami- ners, wiihin the College walls at seme period before the conclusion of the course. We are of of 'niou that after the second year, there should be an examination in all the subjacts studied in the first two years, and that it should be final in regard to all subjects not included in the group selected by the student for the A.B., exauination." [pp. 19, 20.] The object of the Royal Commissioners, therefore, even in a high and Tery severe course of Collegiate studies, was to pre- vent any optional studies during the first two of a three years' course of study — to allow optional studies but one year ; whereas in the Toronto University system, optional studies are allowed three years out of /our. Daring two-thirds of the coarse of studies in the Qaeen'a Colleges in Ireland, there is no option or in- terruption whatever in the studies of Latin, Greek, and UathematicB ; in Toronto University, options are allowed in either of all or those studies during three- fourths of the course. Mr, Langton'e niiquotatione in regard to London U^i- vertily. Next Mr. Langton refers to the London University ; but here though the degree of B. A. has been divided into two, namely, a First B. A. and a Second B. A the latter being equal to the B. A. under the foimer system ; there is no option whatever in the sul jects oi either of the two examinations ; and the subjects of the two examinaMons include the Latin and Greek languafres and Literature, Mathematics, Logi: and Moral Philosophy, besides other subjects, as may be here seen in the last Calendar of the London University. Mr. Langton'e falladou* quotation* again. Then Mr. Langton also appeals to and quotes largely from the Reports of the Cambridge Uoivereity Com- missioners ; but his owu quotations refute his conclu- sions ; for the Royal Commissioners recommend (what was not allowed before,) that some choice of studies be allowed to Students during the last four terms out of the nine terms of actual residence and study ; that is from the latter part of the second year (there being three terms in a year at Cambridge), a choice of studies nuder ceitain guaids and restrictions be allowed to itndents ; bnt then only after passing the ■prevtona ciamination,' which Provost Whitaker slAtaa in bis ovidance to hava bean made equal to the former ezaninaiion for B. A., at Oanbridga. And yet Mr. Langton eoolly adduces inch recommenda- tions to sanction optional studies in the Toronto Uni- versity, at the end of the first year, and that wltbont any such previous examination as the one tcquirod at Cambridge. The Toronto eyitem condemned by the Cambridge and (ktford Commitfiofwrs. Mr. Langton also appeals to tb?; recommendations of the Oxford University Oomnissioners ; out they are more completely against him than those (as I have just shown, ^ of the Cambridge University Com- missioners. Mr. Langton quotes the Oxford Commis- sioners, as recommendiog a choice of studies to be al- lowed to students during the latter part of the course ; but he adroitly avoids saying, or quoting any parssge by which the Committee might judge as to how long a time was meant by ' the latter part of the course.' Now the very beading of the reeommeBdations from which Mr. Langton hns quoted, is as follows: — 'Lib- erty of choice is subjects of study during the last year.' Had Mr. Langton quoted these words, it would have made the fallacy of his agument transparent in a moment. Out of a four years' course of study at Oxford, the Commissioners recommend that ihere may be liberty of choice in snbj' cts of study during the lut year of the four; while Mr. Langton's system establishes it three years out of the four? Thus do the authorities professedly quoted by Mr. Langton, condemn in every inotance bis wretched sys- tem of options, and sanction the views which we have mHintained, thatoptiontal studies at ouldonty be per- mitted to a limited extent during the latter part of the Collegiate conrst — that allowirg a choice of studies at the end of the first year of a Collegiate course, is as injurious to a thorough University edu- cation, as allowing a child at school, at the end of bis first year, to choose bis studies, would be fatal to a thorough elementary education. The Committee a(f jonrned. Thursday, April 26th, 1860. The Committee met The Hon. Attorney General was in attendance thia day, in addition to the other Members of Committee mentioned above. Firet and eeeond varialkna in Dr. Wilton'* epoken and written etatementt. The Rev. Dr. Ryerson continued his sUtement in reply to Messrs. Langton and Wihon aa follows : In resuming the obrervations which 1 was making yesterday, I may remark that a large portion of my reply was not in answer to «hat is contained in Dr. Wilson's written staes of the Committee, my friends and the coantrj, I mijte these explanatory remarka. Z9 Falte plMU for rttdueing the ttandard of Matriadatiom ti txpottA, I omitted oat or two point! coonected with tbf topi<'i to vhicb I alliidcd jettfrdfty; one ii in regard fto tko lUodard «f Matrimlatinn. It ii admitted on all huDda ibat the itandard of Uatriculation at Toron- to Univrraity, baa bf en much lowered, and, I ibinli I kaTe abewn, rot for tbe reason asiigned. h bai been redoced considerably lowfr tban that of otber UniTer- •itj Colleges, and one reason given (wfaicb I omitted to notice yesterday), waa tbe incompetency of tbe Orrmmar Scbools to give ibat prepsratory eduratior necetsary for Matriraktion at tbe Univcriity accord- itg to tbe former slandard. Tbis objection bas been repeated by all «bo bave spoke on tbe other side of tbe qnestion, in Tarions forms, and vitli Tarions de- grees of impressiveness. Now, 8ir, perhaps no one knbWB better than I do, tbe position of our Grammar ticbools, bow much tbey stsnd telow tbe ftardard to which I wonld wish tbtm elevated, or tbe irconven- i0 or X60GO per annnm has been piven to Upper Canada College, and from £60 to £200 only to each of tbe O'ammar Schools, except that the College bad work to do (apeiior to that of the Groirmar Schools? That College was established for Upper Canada, not for Toronto, else the endowments sbonld be abolished to- morrow, since Torcnto is as well able to support its «< n Grammar School as any city or town in the Pro- ia>'e. Tha policy of the Senate of the University «boh (be duty assigned to Lira of coaching those who come np ficm the country to enter tbe Uni- versity, erea According to its jresent reduced stan- dard. Mr, Langton'i miiita^tmentt in rtgari (o dirmitted teaeh- ert eorrteltd. Another subject to which I alluded to yesterday, but in connection with which I overlooked one or two topics, ia that of scbolarsbipg. But be'ure adverting to this topic, allow me to notice Mr Largtou's stuie- menttbat I had rayeelfgoDe home to England and ne lected persons as teachers who proved not to bp quali- fied. He speaks of two men, ' graduates < f British tJni- vtrsities, selected by me for the Normal and Model Schools, who, upon tii>tl, proved insuSioient.' Now Sir, had I made a mistake of the kiud here made b; Ur. Langton, you would have seen me again eoac'ed in regard to myself, the same spectacle th 'ttook plae once at Toronto in tbe case of a genllem ;>'' ^ pre- sent (Mr. Cayley.) I should havobeenv..i «^ amined, sboi^n to have been in error, and tb> '.1 up as stating what was contrary to fact. Now, -le of th|ese persons was a graduate of the UnivirMty ot Queen's College in Ireland — and I may here remark parenthetically, there were candidates from Belfus' College also, Hod as proofs of their standing, they for- warded me the Calender of Belfast College. This ii< how I came to have that Caleod*^r, and not those ot the other Queen's Colleges at Cork and Ualway ; why I spoke of the standard of admission there as gbt it best to dispense with bis services ; and we have now seleeted a gentleman (Mr. Coalon) to fill the situation, who waA educated in th» School of Arts and Mannfactariug indnstry in Frtfis, and afierwaros obtained the rank of Civil Engineer, and who manAges bis department most efieotively These are tb« only mistakes thskt have b«ea mads Im the difflcnlt task of selecting Masters and Teachers for the ProviLcial Normal entl three Model Scbools, and sn< h has be«n tbe provision mads for remedying them. I may add, that had not sncta preeaotiona barn taken, i)^e Normal School woald have been permaMntly maimed in two of Its eaaential departmenta. Pretmdtd liberality of the Stkolarthip rpiun a theme and intuit; Itt pernieioui and telfith eharaeter. Reverting now to ibe question of 8(;bolarsbipB, I beg to notice, f r a moment, what has been said by Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilson, tbat atndenty from all Cal- eges can compete for them. Apart from tbe answers given by Dr. Cook and Provost Whitaker.to this show of liberality, I ma," remnrk, t' at these Scholarships are what are called honor 6u> jects — subjects not inclnded in the ordinary collegiate cnrricultm, bot additional subjects, and for the study of which, students are al- lowed, in tbe exercise cf options, to emit ether s udies which tbe other Colleges consider essential lo the completeness of an Universi y education. To allow students to neglect several ordinary sntj-'Cta, and de- vote tbemeelTes chi^fiy to one subj^c*, in order, to ob- tain a scholarship of £30, is like pugilists neglecting ordinary and lawful avocations to train themselves for a contest, involving a larger or smaller sum of money. Thus, tbe Toronto system of Scholarships, ia not only or just to ordinary S'udenta, by bsvicg balf the time ot tbe Professors, which sbcnld be de- voted to them, erjployed in training the candidhlea f r tbe contest, but also mars tbe harmony and effi- ciency of tbe s,v3tem of mental study acd discipline, I ecesssHry to intelluctual development, and a complete liberal education, while it is an engenions scheme for building up University College alone. Toronto tyttem of optioni eondimned by tkt Royal Com- mittionert, the Englitk Unitertkitt and Harvard and Yale Colltget U. S. Now, Sir, as to the next topic ; on which I mad* some observations yesterday, that of Options. I will no', now, as I did not previously, enter into the general question ; but I beg to repeat, that all tbe authorities quoted on this subject, fail to prove, as it was endeavored to prove that tbe Options in other countries, are equal to those allowed in the Uuiveaity of Toronto. I showed before, that no Op- tions were admitted at Cambridge, nntil after the 6th term. At Cambridge, there are now nine terns to b» kept out of the twelve, instead of ten as formerly. Her Mejesty's Commissioners recomir end raising the standi rd of examination at the end of the 5th term, called the 'Previous Bx mination,' as Professor Whit- aker test'ified, and admitting students from tbat time, to cboofc Options Th-^t rjcommeodation has in- duced Mr Langton to justify options being istrodnced here the en i of the fi'St year, while there, it will be seen, they only commence in the latter part of tbe se- cond, after tbe standard to which students must have Httained at tbat period has been advanced, to what Provost Whiiaker regards as equal to the former standard for B. A. at Cambridge in Mr. Langton's time. There, in fonr out: of nine terms options are per- mitted, while in Toronto they are allowed six tenos out of eight I Then, sir, in regard to Loi:doa University, I htk^e shown that in every single de- gree, except that- of M. A., no options at all are permitted. As to Oxford, I have shown that the •Libe/ty of choice in sni jects of stndy during the last year* Of four was what the Royal Commissiooars re- comnended, and not the Isbt three years of four, at has beea established in ToroDin. Mr. Langton iniior'> rectly Represents tbe ' InteraedlMe Kxamiaation' at Oxford as the first examination. Ttie Oommisaioasn ia tbairreport, from which, Mr. Langtoa qf>ateB| set It 41 '•» down ai ■ The S^cocd or intermediate Examination;' and ProfeEtfor Affibery coniideri thii rxnmination at Oxford KB not only above the ordinary degree exami- nation, bnt nearly equal to the honor drgree examina- tion at Toronto ; and I( la only after tbat bfcond or Intermediate Examination, that the Ro.^al Oummis- ■ioners permit the optiont mentioned by Mr. Langton. The rrcommendHtiona of Oxford Comraissior era would not permit any Oiiioni in Toronto, uotil after the Stu- denta had passed tbeir ordinary fourth ytar'a exami- nation funbedenreeof B. A ; yet Mr. Langton addacpa aucb recommerdaiiont to joatify the adopton of a ■yatem of optioni at the end of the firat year. Having 'Lna referred to the British Inatitationa, I may remaric, that on thia aide of the Atlantic, in pla- cea vhrre there are practical men. not 'old Oxford relica,' I a>lnd« to Yale and Harvard, the ayatem of options is prrmitted to a very limited extent indeed. Yale only ptrmits options (n'clasaica in two ont of the whole twelve 'rrms tf its course, and that only when the ttadent wiahea to take the higher Hatbematica, but dues not permit ai y options in liaihf uiatica. At Harvard options in Mathematics do not commence until the third year, and in classics not until the fourth year. Toronto College family eompatt. •: < ■, I here take orcaaion to rrmark upon a term which appears to have given Dr. Wilson great offence, and the nae of which, I regret, aince so much ado has been mode bbout it, and, as I intended no offence. It is tha term ' fi-miiy compact.' It is very well known that the term was used in a conventional sense, and which may apply to a College family, as well as a political family, and that oonventional senae, I may define, for insertion in the first dictionary of CanadiarJams, as 'a small party of gentlemen in Toronto, having, among others, two special ol^K^cta in view ; the one being their own conveoie'mie 'and interests, and the other, thoce of tbeir Io"ali^, regarding the interests of others, and of other looHlifiea, ai matters of very secondary consideration.' How for the interests of the College family have been consulted, I need not further remark, and I have shown, in a statement to which neithei Mr. Langtou nor Dr. Wilson b: s ventured to refer that the Professors of the Collrge faojily at Toronto, have consulted tbeir convenience, by giving them- selves two months less work each ye ,-, and twelve hours lees work each week of that short year, than have the Professors of Harvard College. What kind of Collegiate Education Canada demand*. Having now discussed these topics in reply to Mr. Langton and Dr. Wilson, I may remark tbat if we have a College education at all in Upper Oitnada it should be a good one. It is not worth while putting the country to the expanse of a Collegiate education that only advan'-es a couple of steps beyond the Grammar School cour e. It is not juatto >he country or its future that we ahould have aucb a system, un- less it is characterized by a thoroughness, a compre- hensiveness, a practical character, that can stand some comparison with that of other countries. I snbmit that the yontb of Upper Canada are not defB- dlenl In intelletst— tbongb Dr. Wilson seemed t6 think it absurd that we ahould look as highly as Oxford, where dlncation ooAts at least $7S0 a year, and where the Eng llsh nobility are educated. Just as if money or title conferred intellect, as if a poor untitled Canadian may not, with tiis aid of. eoires if he should go to Toronto to attend a meeting of the Senate. Dr. Wiltou'i faUe hielory at to the experience of Protnt' • ant CoUegee, in regard to Denominational CoUegee. I % ill now briefly advert to another eubj»ct on which ' Dr. Wilson dwelt at great length— That of d'nomir«-< tional Colleges. I msy ask what Deucminational CoU leges have to do with the deffnce of University College, the professed object of Dr. Wilson's mission to Quebec? Was he deputed to attack Dencminati< nal Colleges, or to appear on behalf of University Colleee? Mr. Langton admits, indeed, that Denominational College*^ may do some good. But the whole scope of Dr. Wil> son's remarks is Xia the effect that Denominational ' i^olleges are a sort of social evil, and that it would be belter for the country if they did not exist. He deelare# It 'totally at tariance Iri h tetott to say,' m the Wesleyan Memorial stated, that 'tha experience of all Protestant eonurles shows that tt Is, and has been, ~ as much the province of a religlots persuasion to est«b> ' lish a Collw, as it is for a School Municicalitjr to establish a School.' I Showed In my remarks yester- day how contrary to facts Wat Dr. Wilson's statement that the Collegiate Education ih Knglaad in Contiec-' tton with the London University was Hon denomi na- tional. In rcfhtetion of bis present statement. I may 48 { I I appf •! to the ProtettMt ooaotry of Scotland, in wbicb according to Ma own admlialon and atatenent, tba •Titfm of OoIlrgial« fdaoation waa nnder both denominational tf ata and control nnttl lince 1854. He retera to four Oollfge* in Englard, at Hall, Ofaeltea- baai, W«k> field anu Ifancbrater, wbicb be laya bave been ettabliabfd by rolnntary effort, and are non denrmlpational ; bot why did be omit the upwarda of tbirtj denominational Ooll^gea ratabliahed and endow- ed hj Tolnntary effort in Kngland, and wbicb are affil- iated to tbe London Uni*eraltyT Bvery acboolboy knowa tbat tbe bittory of each Protratant denomi- nation in England, bas been marked by tbe eatab- liabRient of one or more Collegiate iDStltationa, and witbin tbe laat few yeara to a greater extent tban at any former period. And Dr Wilaon bimaelf being witDOFa, tbe forty>two Coilegea at Oxford and Cam- bridge are nnder denominational control allbongb teati for ptndenta bave been aboliahed. Tben to torn to Proteataot America, ia there a aingle denomination in United Statea, whi'sb baa not pnt forth ita most vigo- onra efforta to eetabliab denomina'ional Inatitutiona 7 In tbe Almanaca of tbat coontry yon may aee )hU, almoat without namber, of their dnnominational Got- legea. Yet Dr. Wilron in the face of theae facta, deniea tbat tbe biatory of Protratant conntriea ahowa, that it ia the proTinee of denominationa to eatabliab CoUegea at all. The mUttatement that Denominational Colleges conflict with a National Syttem of Education exposed. It ia alao otjected t>y both Mr. Langton and Dr. Wllann tbat denominational OoHegea are opposed to tbe ryitem of Common and Grammar Scboola. Per- hapa I uoderatand tbat ayatem «a well as tbeae gentle- men ; and I may obierre, tbat in forming tbe ayatem of Common and Grammar Scboola, I regarded de- nominational Coilegea aa a necesRary anpplemeut to them, and aa eaaential to the completeoeaa and fffici- enoy of tbe ayatem of Public instruction in Upper Canada, and aa much an eaaential part of it aa tbe Oommon and Grammar Scboola tbemaelrea. I will not detnin you by arguing this point; but I will ap- pend extracts of a letter wbicb I addreased to tbe Hot). F. Hincka, on the anbjeet, in July, 1862, and in which I diBcn*aod at length the connection between the ayatem of Common and Grammar Scboola and de- nominational Oollegea. In refutation of the aaaertion tbat the advocacy of denominationil Oollenea inroWea tbe advocacy of d<=uominational Common Scboola, I may remark that the moat eameat aupportera of tl e non-denominational achoola, are thewarmeat advocarea of denominational Oollegea. I would aak whether I have tret beev in farour of eatabliahing denomina- tional Scboola in the country? I aak whether tbe Wealeyan Oonference, which now atanda prominently before yon, aa having originated the inreatigationa, ever demanded them, or whether it baa not ezpreaaed ita vi ' wa OB tbe subject in past yeara, or if ita practice, in permitting one of ita membera to conatrnot a non-de- nomfnational ayatem, and carry it on from tbat day to tbe preaent, ia not an indication of ita viewa 7 Do not the Presbyteriana of tbe Church of Scotland hold similar ground 7 Haa not tbe feeling of the great body of tbe Oburch of Bncland too — for only a email pwtion of it baa advocated aeparate achoola-— been in favoar of aupporting liberally our preaent ayatem of Oommon and Grammar Behoola 7 7%e ol^jeetion o/numerieid ditadvantagt rffuted. I DOW eoma to another point. It haa been atated w an objection, that under the ayatem we advo- cate there would be a contemptibly small number of Stadeata attending the different Oollegea, and that tbat would bo a great disadvantage. It h*a be«a preaaed on tbe Committee, tbat, to get a large number ' of Btodenis, we mnat have bat one collegiate inatita* ' tioD. Now here again, what are the facta T In tbia ' very Report of the Kngltah UniTrralty Oommiiaionenr ' by Hevwood, yon And a Hat of tbe Students who en* ' tered both at Oambridge and Oxford, from '45 to '49: no retnroa having appeared ainre tben. I will takt ; tbe Hat of Sindenta who entered tbeae old Colleges In ' the latter year, aa mentioned ia Heywood, p. 617, At ' Oambride there were, At St Peter's 11 ,: At Clare Hall 19 . At Pembroke 10 At Caina 26 At Trinity Hall 10 At Corpua Chriati 24 At King'a 4 At Queen'a 36 At Jeana 23 At Obriat'a , 20 At St.Jobn'a „ 97 ; At Magdalen 21 j At Trinity ,... 151 At Emanuel 25 , At Sidney 8 At Downing ,.... 4 Total 499 , The average nnmber entering at tbe Oollegea at Oambridge ia, then, 81 atndenta to each. And havo not aome of tbe infant denominational Oollegea ia ' tbia new country already more Stndenta entered thaa aeveral ot the old Colleges at Oambridge 7 Then let<^ na look at Oxford. There tbe number entered ia tho ' - laat year of wbicb we have tbe rctnra waa :— it Univeraily College 21 1 At Bxlliol College. 26 At Merton College 12 At Exeter College 43 At Oriel College 4 18 At Queen'a College 28 - > At New College 68 At Lincoln College 16 At All Sonla' College 1 At Magdalene College I At Braaenoae College 26 At Corpua Obriati College 6 « At ChristOburch 46 At Trinity College 27 At St. John's College 16 At Jeana College 17 At Wadbam ^ 26 At Pembroke 26 At Worceater 33 At St. Alban Hall..: •' At St. Edmund Hall 7 At St. Mary'a Hall 11 ' At New Inn Hall 1 At Magdelene Hall 27 ToUl 440 The average nnmber entered at eaoh College tfaera; ia 18^. It ia known that many more atndanta enter «! College, than graduate. Victoria College thievery, year haa a graduating elaaa of fowrttm yonng men, , who have gone through their four years' eonrw of atudy, beaidea nearly fif'y nndergradnatea of obe, two,, or three yeara' atanding, and aome 300 pnpila in the' Preparatory ScbooL Yet we are told that by multi- plying «ar Coilegea we aball reduce the namber of our atudenta to an extent altogether without precedent ia KOj country 1 If twenty stndenti are ia a claaa— w« * ^ iber tita- tbit awn en- '49: Ukt mla At 18 At bftT* 18 ia = tbMi n let? I th«' ,1 .'iM I ' there iter a ▼ery men, ne of I, two, In the Dultl- ofonr Bot in 8— we know that the itndente lo a Oollege are dWided into four elaaiea — are thejr not ae many aa one Tutor can well do JQiticetoT Oan one Tutor do mor^ than properly attend to them 7 In bia ' ephemeral' article, Dr. Wilion aaid, Profeasora ahoald be as nearly aa poa- iible like the Totora at Oiford and Cambridge. I think, then, the objrotiona aa to the amaller nnmbera that would be bronght together in Denominational Ool l«g«i are entirely anawered. Charaettrittie* of Dtnommatumal Colltgu. 8fr, there are two or three qualiliea which Dcnomi- aational Oollegea poaaeaa to which I call attention. I ■peak from pciaonal knowledge of one of them. TheT hare a heart — a heart that nela aa well aa a head that thinks — they hare a Obriitian heart, actuated b; Ghriaiian feelinga, motlTca, principles. They have a Canadian heart, all their aympatbiea, thongbout the whole course of theit train'ag, befog with the country. In the coDTersatioDa and o.^.'-uaaiona of atudenta ana teachers, their illuttrationa are drawn aa far aa poralble f^om *' this Canada of onra," and when the atndenis emerge into aolive lifb tbeyfeel that the land iatheira they reepect and love it aa their borne, and regard their fellow-countrjmen aa their brethren and equala. This la a very important conaideralion in forming tbe elementa of character in thia country. Ou tbe score of their economy, too, tbe Denomina- tional Colleges should aUrart attention I for they edu- cate as many students for £2,000 aa Universiiy College doea fi&r three times that aum. Voluntary Effort to be devtloped and eombined with Ltgiilative Aid. Again, ia it not all important for every etateaman, chriatian and patriot to do all in bia power to develop Tolnntary effort in the country, aince voluntary effort in regard to every thing that iraina the heart of man, is the mainspring of our social progresa. Wheu tbe system of higher education is so framed as to require the exercise of this feeling — when no denomination can receive any thing until its thoughts, feelings, sympa- thies are drawn forth and evinced by large contribn- tions for tbe erection of baildiDgs and the payment of Professors — then, I say, we have an important element to draw out what is good among na. But when there ia no anch feeling, when our Collegiate Institution lives wholly upon the public, and no man connected with it has any higher interest than to get what be can, then I say, you have an element of decay. We are, for the most part, a voluntary people. We sbonid encourage voluntary effort by tbe supplementary aid of tbe State, but it should be given on tbe principle of equal justice to all ; and it is curious to ree the lead- era of the volnntarirs on other subjects become in this case the leaders of those who would depend upon the State for everything. Doff Sehoolt — Parental and rtlijfiout ground* for dt- nominational CoUtgu. Dr. TFi^ofi tbe other day referred to the Common and Grammar Schoola of the country aa being non- denominational, and said, non-denominational colleges were essential to the harmony of the system. Sir, under our common school sjstrm, children are under the care or the orders of their parents for sixteen hours every day, besides tbe whole of each Sunday, and thus every possible farilii j is afforded for religious instruction. In tbe grammar schoola there ia, to a certain extent, as I have admitted, a defect in this par- ticular, but thty are only week-day boarding sebools, at most, and parents can generally find some acquaint- ance in tbe neighborhood to pay attention to their children. In the Normal School, Toronto, which is for tbe purpose of training tcachen, seldom extend- ing over a period of ten months, tbe students are re> quired to attend religions instruction one hour a week under their own ministerf , and are as imperatively re* quired to attend that class as any other. And, grant- ing that a defect exists in the grammar schools, that tbe primary education doea not offord snfficient oppor- tunities for religions instruction, is it not all tbe more ii^portant, as every good parent must feel, that a reli- gious instruction should be afterwards given to that part of our youth who are to give character and heart to, and to be the leadera of our country ? When onr fona go away from immediate parental and pastoral authority to train their minda for becoming the iu' strnctora and guldea, if not the rnlera of the Province in fbture yeara, ia it not most important that every poaiible care abonld be taken to give them every fa- cility for obtaining religiooa instruction to form their character 7 If there is a defect in our grammar- schools, it is a reason for remedying it at our colleges. Dr. WiltonU " windy" id*a of a mountain top. Having made these remarks, I will now revert to my own system, my own plan, wbich I respectfully submit to the serious attention of the Committee. Sir, Dr. Wilton made himself merry, and thought to Hmuse tbe Committee, by a reference to an expression df mine, used in a letter written by me several years since, that I had meditated my system of pnblic in- strnction for this country— (for I contemplated tho whole system from the primary school to tbe Univer- sity) — on some of the highest mountains in Europe, and said, nsing a very elegant expression, it must therefore be rather • windy.' I leave it to the conn- try to judge of the windiness of the gentleman who baa assailed me ; but a person of his pretensions to literature and philosophy might have known, that there have been those who have risen high in tbeir in- tellectual attainments, and left monuments rather more enduring than essays on Indian pipes and tobacco, profusely illustrated in the Canadian Journal, who have sought tbeir inspirations in ibe higher elevations of their country. No one can have read tbe history of Greece or Scotland, or the Northern and Western parts of England, without knowing that, from elevat- ed and secluded places, some of the finest iospiratiuna of genius have eminated which have ever been con- ceived by tbe mind of man. There are mountains in Europe where the recluse may stand and see beneath bim curling clouds, and roaring tempests spending their strength, while he is in a calm untroubled at- mosphere, on tbe summit of a mountain of wbich it msy tM said, " Though round his breast the rolling clouds are spread, 1. 1 " Eternal sunshine settles on bis head." And I ask whether it waa nnpbiloaopbical for an in- dividual who had examined tbe educational aystema of various countries, and who was crossing the Alps, to retire to a mountain solitude, and there, in the^ abode of that " eternal sunshine," and in tbe pres- ence of Him who is the fountain of light, to contem- plate a system which was to diffuse intellectual and moral light throughout his native country, to survey the condition of that country as a whole, apart from its political religious dissensions, and ask what system could be devised to enable it to take its position among the civilised nations of tbe world 7 How muck better to be in such a position than to be enveloped ia a Scotch fog, like that with which we were visited for two or three hours th« other day I Vhivertity *y»tem tuggattd. In regard to the university and collegiate systetti which i would nggest, I have nothing (after eight Ill ij' if 44 i jtui' fnrtbflr deliberation *ai exparience) to add to or modify (unltM in rrirard to ProTiDcial ichooli of Law and Medicine (what I meditated in Europe in 1S45, and lubmittrd to the Hon. Mr. Hincki in Juljr 166!!, In that plan, I propoaed to provide profesior* •liipg in the TariooB branchra of loienceand literature •(ter the examples of the French and Bngliib UniTc^- ■Itiai, and to transfer the present profeaeorahipt of BkgMih Literitiare and Natural Hiatorj totheUniver- ally proper, instead of their baiog attached to a col- lege. I proposed the conititutioo of the Univeraity, the erection of the boildlnK, the endawmant of pro- fessorsliipa and coilrges, including the denomination- al colleges, in connection with our common school aya- tern' at an expense within the income of the Univer- sity Endowment withoat infringing upon the principle. I will append to my present obaervationa extracts from the letter referred to, containing an outline of the whole pyatero, together ^ith reasons for, and expected advantages of it, and leave the Committee to jndge whether the plan sugK^ated by me in I8&2, and which I beg to suggest again, would not have iffected an immense saviug in the expenditure of the University funds, greatly imprcved and extended collegiate edu- cation in the country, and consolidated in one bar monious whole, our entire system of public instrno. tion, from the primary school np to the University 7 Dr. WiUon't Pro/rsiiouhip and tht irut eolUgialt method of teaching the Evgluh language and literature. Thus Buhmitting my pinn to the consideration of the Committee, I beg to remark for a moment on two points inridently connected with the Bnl"ject. Dr Wilson seemed displeased that I should compare bis lectures on the Brfjlish Language and Literature with the teachings of the gmmmar school, and consoled bimsdf, and sought to amuse thf> Committee with the idea, that I did not know the difference between the lectures of a college Professor and the tenchings of a gMmmflr school master. I only judged of the char- acter of Dr. Wilson's lectures on Eog isb Literature by his text-book, which is the same as that used in the grammar schools ; and I presume there are not a few masters of grammar schools who are quite as compe- tent to teach the English language and literature as Dr. Wilson himself. At the same time I am not in- sfensible that the English language should be differ- ently taught in tbe,grammar school and the col ego. In the former it should be taught,- if I may use the ex- pression, synthetically— beginning with the elements of words, pnttins' them together, tracing them up to their Latin and Greek origin, or other forfign origin, as streams to their fonntains, and then combining, ar- ranging; and applying them to practical purposes ac- cording to the ! hilosophy of language. In the pro- fessorial chair, the analytic method should be adopted, and the process ehould commence with the languages of Greece and Rome, the words aiid literature of Which ebonld be traced downward and pursued in all their intricate and various interminglings with our Own language and literature, forming its very warp and woof. This, I submit, is the true method of stu- dying the English language and literature in conneo- tittn with colirginte ednration ; and this is doubtless tBe philosophy of Dr. Cook's view, when be said the Other day that he would like to have both a Greek and Latin Professor, who would teach Greek and Latin, nbt in the style of the grammar school, but in the spirit of a sound philology, exhibiting the words, the imagf'rj, the philosophy, the literatnre, the very spirit of Greece and Rome in most that ia refined, noble, elegant and beautiful in our own langnage and liter- ature. It waa in this way that the Bnrkea and Peela, Mid Mttcaulaya and Gladstonea, atndfed tha English languago and litorature at college, and not bv attood- ing tifeb lecturea aa Dr. Wilson's, or atudying bU choaen text-book, Spaaldiog'a Inglisb Litorature— tho standard text-book of iciBinariea for young ladies M well aa of grammar achoola. Dr. Wilaon will now uaderatand why I attach little valoa to bia profeasor- sbip In Univcn^ty College, and wbathtr I can diatia- gulsh between the appropriate teachings of the gram- mar school and the college.* The profeasor who aervoa as the electric telegraph to communicate to his atn- denta the very mind of tho ancient world in the dovol- npmenta of their own language and literature, is a better teacher of the English langnage and iiteratoia 'ban another profeaaor who teacbca English litera- tnre from Spautdimg'i Comptnd and the Eoglish lan- guage from Craik'i Outlinen. ■-*'* Small Expenie required /or Unxvernty buHdxngt ; .Sbro- pean txamplti ; Expintet of eelebrationt at the Uniuer* lity and Aormal Hchool buildingt. Another remark I beg to make, relatea to the ex- penae of University buildinga. It baa been said that i was present at the SeBat« in March 1864, when Chief Justice Draper prepared an address to the Governor General for a grant to erect the buildings of the Uni- versity. I may bate been present, though I have no recollection of it, nor of the contents of the address referred to ; but if I were present, it must have bean bat I made the suggestion, aa the only suitable oc- caaion fur such a suggestion, wbioh the Hob. Ur. Aorrwoa, who only attended the Senate two or three times, recollects having been made — namely, that Upper Canada College buildinga be applied to the use ofUniveraity College, and the Masters be appoint* d to Masterships of Graromer Schools, with such allow* anco from the Upper Canada College endowment as would secure them against personal loss from the dia- contit'oat'ce of that institution, and the application of its revenues to augment the Orammnr School Fnnd. At all events, my letter to Mr. Hinekt, July, 1852, when I proposed the sum of £6,000 for the erection of a University building, shows that my views were moro econnical at that time than even now. It may at first thought appear strange in these days of large ex- penditures, how so small a sum should be sufficient for such a purpose ; but it wilt not appear so atraaga if we consider the true objects rf the University, and that the Queen's University in Ireland has no separate building, bas only a Recretitry with a salary of £350( with " Incidentala, Office Expenses, Postage, Mesaen- gera. Advertisements, Ac," amounting to £180," and ''Exhibitions, Prises and Medals," amounting to £4T5: in all for Office Charges, £1,00S ; nor will the sum I proposed appear small even for a building accom- modating the several Professorships and Leetoreships I suggested, when you consider bow plain and inex- pensive and variously used are the lecture-rooms of Professors in the Universities at Leipsic, Halle, Bonn, (where Prince Albert was educated,) and in Poris, at (he Sorbonne,and the College de France, where I have Httend'^d lectures, by Duprett. Miehflet, Girardin, Michel Chevalier and others, including Arago at the Obser- vatoire, with Humboldt for a regular auditor. The lecture-room or theatre for lectures in Chemistry and Natural Pbilosphy was large, aa were those for the popular lectures in History and French Literature and Eloqoence, bat with no other furniture than forms or straw -bottom chairs. I have heard Leverrier, the • " I am extremely Mieptical an the r»n\ value of public ov»I letehlng on >uc)i a nibJecV n miae (mndorn tiintory.J If AtMlard mn ItrlDg now. I bellev* he would uddrv* hfn iiiKtraetioiiil, not to (k* ••'■of thouMndK ero»d«d rnuud hid cb*ir, Init ^n th« eye* of mnia^ natUng thwn in ctadioui s«cluak>ii."— Sir Jswue SU' II , Bonn, f»mout matbemalloiaD and attronomer, lecture in a room not more than twice at Urge as this Comioiit«e room, and with furniture not coiting balfaamuch ; and in tbe lurae room I bave beard lecturea in Miner- alogy doi Geology. I hare beard no Irtt than lix different profeiaors in aa many diffrrent couraea In tbe aama leoture-room, lecturing different honri of tbe day fuid on differtnt oayi In the week. Tbe great mrn of Europe gife greataeii to the plain aod unprrtendi'-g plKcri whence tliey pour forih (he treasurei of prot'ound learning and m'gbty intellfct; but Dr. Wtlion, aa tbe repreaentative ol Toronto Uni- Tarait^ College, inaiata upon " atone and marble" magnificence aa ta^ential to a great people, and, of courie, to great Profeaaora and great lectnrra in " tbia Oanadaof oura;" and tbasare ourUnireraityFunda frit- tered away by hundreda of tbousada of dollar* upon tbe " material and tbe inanimate at tbe expense of the in- tellectual and the moral." Mr. Langlon thought that aome $1,800 waa not too large a aum for the tbe cere- monial of laying tbe top stone of the ITnlTereity bnlldinga. The Oovemor General, Lord Elgin, laid the corner-atone of the Normal School buildings in the presence of tbe members of both Housea oif tbe Legialature, and the ceremony cost joat £30, and that for acaffolding ; and Sir John B Robinson opened tbe building when finiahed, with a noble address, in tbe prasencQ^f a large assembly, and the ceremony cost the Aip^nse of gas to illuminate tbe edifice. ' Two quatiom/or dtei$ion. Ia concluding my remarks, I snbmit that the qnes- tlaa for the decision of tbe Committee is not my merits or demerits, although the latter bare been brought befbre yon day after day at great length, la rsrious formi, and with varioua ability. Nor do I think the merlta or detaila of the proceedinga of the petitioner who have been ao severely reflected upon, are tb grave subjects of your deliberation and decision. The great quesiioo, I submit, which demands your atten- tion, is, What should be done to correct the acknow- ledged evils of the past, and make legal and effectual groTiaion for a aystem of liberal education in Upper anada? Sir, the very advocates of the present •ystem have conceded nearly all that baa been urged, nearly all that baa been complained of or demanded, 9Xo<*pt they still inaiat pppo (be monopoly of the money. Tb^ bave conceded that the Senate is not properly conatitned. They have conceded that they have reduced the eurritulum. They adm{t*'tbat the Pro- feaaora ought not to be tbe exarainera of their own atndente, but justify the practice in their case on the ground of circumstances of necessity. 1 hey have admitted that tbere are needless Professorshipa in lUniveraity College. Tbfy admit that ezpenacs may bendttced ; and Mr. Langton aays that aome of them haw already been oat down. R$tptei due to the M-ttimmtt of large religiout tommuKUiti; growmg pubUc $»iUm»nt ; a monopoly to bt drtadii. Tfcan, Sir, I weald aak whether reapeot is not due to the aentimenta of larga religious bodiea iq thiaeoantry, aitd whethex the stateannan and pa^triot ahould ^ot t^« into consideration the feelings of people who Ooaatitttie • large porUon of th« cbriatianity of the ]^rovinoe 7 No one nan conceive the progreaa which the Agitation of tbia qtteation has olreody in«de in t^ppar (>«Bad», it* infl»ai>f:a on tbie peopii«, the atreogtb cf poblio aentimf nt it evoltea. When tha «y|itat^>n eqnunei^cAd, »few montha ago, it waa^aitid " Ob,Uis Qoiy tbe doingipf • ieir Jletbodlst Preaohert, Mtd trltt •ooB die a.iutt^al ([(^»tb." Bqt wbitt ar9 the ftets T Why, that 1« diatript coifyentiflna «pd 360 ainilirittlf meBtinga, of the ol&tia lultr qf the Wealeyan OMMOt, wift biii on« •^^cepttbai li^ thi» Oonn^ of •■i ■ ■■" ' • V ■'■ ■■ ' ' ■ Prince Kdward, and then, by a mere acvidfct, have all aupported tbe viewa which have been submitted for your consideration this day. Tbere always have been and always will be rioeptions in such cases ; but such unity never existed in tbe religious body on any public question at any former time, although it was said tbe agitators were only a Fma'l portion of the preachers, with whom the Wesleyan body at large did not sjmpatbize. That etatf meut you see was a great mi (take; while yon find that tbe Presbyteriani uf tbe Church of Scotland, and a Xax^i portion of tb« Church of England, concur in the views of the Wet< leyan body. And, Sir, thia la only the commencement. If tbe discussions of the past year should continue for another, tbere will be a body of feeling in Upper Canada such as there has not been on any aubject since the agitation of tbe Clergy Reserve question — merely from the fact that this subject goes borne to tbe conscirncea and (he religiona feelings of the people of tbe country, the best and holiest feelings ot fathers and mothers throughout tbe laud. I ask whether the decision of this Commit' ee should not give equal Justice to all parties and classes in tbe community, ac- cording to their works? Tbe sentiment of our country baa ever betiu against monopolies. Even the gentlemen of tbe Toronto University say they wished to prevent Upper Canada College from becoming a monopoly. Sir, there may be a non-denominational as well as a denominational monopoly, and equally hateful to the country, destitute, as it must be, of ail tbe ties and aspirations which religious feelings create. A non-denominational College for thoie vko detire one, but equally Denominational Colleget for other* who ehow their faith by worke. Among tbe^eeveral denominations in the land, some have expressed their views in favour of a non-deno- minational college,' I do not go so far as Dr. Cook, regarding a non-dmominational college only as 'ob- jectionable.' I admit that there ought to be a non- denominational college. Sir, let those people have one, and it they do not want to pay for it themselves, let the institution now eatablisked be perpetuattd and supported for them; but at tbe same time, let the views and feeiinga of other classes of cur fellow citi- zens be consul'.ed, who do not rely upon tbe State for everything, bat who erect their own building!), de- fray a large portion of their expenses, ind prove by liberal subscriptions ihe sincerity of their professions, while the non-denominational people contribute not one cent towards the erection or support of tbeir col- . I ask if the State is to ignore tbe former, and exclusively patronize the latter? Are the Wesleyan people especially to stand impugned and impeacbeji in the presence of tho representatives of the country as the friends of ignorance, or the promoters of social evil, when, prior to all other efforts of the kind, they commenced, in 1832, to erect a college building which is respectable at the present dayT Sir, no one can conceive the labours and efforts requisite to establiab snob an institution, iu4 ao much nt-ededatthac day; no one can conceive the difficulty encountered in ob- taining a^ Royal Cbat'ter for it in 1836; and tbe mor- tifications and haTt, did ma good in my yoath, and 1 will not aMndoB them in my old age. Contlurion. I have only ftorthor to add, that whatever may b« my shortcomings, and even sins, I can say with troth that I love my eonntry ; that by habit of thought, by usociation, by every possible sympathy I could awaken in my breast, I have soaght to increase my direction for my native land. I have endeavoured to invest it with a sort of personality, to place it before me as an individual, beautinil in its proportions, as well as vigorous in all the elements of its eonstitntion, and loting sight of all distinction of classes, sects, and parties, to ask myself, in the presence of that Being, before whom I shall shortly stand, what I conid do most for my country's welfare, how I ooold oontribnte most to found a system of ednoatlon that would give to Canada, when I should be no more, a career of splendonr which will make its people proud of it I may adopt the worda of a poet— tbongb they bo not very poetical: — 'Sweet place of my kindred, blest land of my birth. The fairest, the purest, the dearest on earth; Where'er I may roam, where'er I may be. My spirit instinctively turns onto thee.' j Whatever may have been the course of proceeding adopted towards me in this inquiry, I bear enmity to no man; end whatever may be the result of this in- vestigation, and the decision of the committee, I hope that during the few years 1 have to live, I shall act consistently with the pakt, and still endeavour to build up a country that will be distinguished in its religions, social, moral, educational, and even political institutions and character; to assist in erecting a strno- tnre of intellectual progress and power, on which future ages may look back with respect and gratitude, and thus to help, in some humble degree, to plaoo our beloved Canada among the foremost nations of th earth. 9, Document aeeompanying Dr. RyeraotCs Reply to Mr. Langton and Dr. Wi/mm, bring tx- tracU of a letter addressed by him to the Hon. F. Hincka, containing a plan of a Provincial UnivetBtly, induding denonunational Cal- if gift, in eonnection toith our present Common School System, ToBOMTO, 22Qd Jnly, 1852.^* Dear Sir— Aoeordiag to promiae I now proceed to •tnte in writing the reaalt of my obaerTationa and refleotioDS on that part of the system of pnbiie In- straction in Upper Oaoadn, which relatea to n Fro- vincial Univereitj, nod to UoiTeraity Colleges. In order to prevent any misapprehension of the triews and soggestiooe I Tsotnre to snbmit, I beg to make • few pNllmlonry remarks. L'ght in vMck the question shvuHd he vinvedl* 1 have always been aecostomed to contemplate and dlseoas pablio qoestioos in • provincial, rather thno * deoomimtional point of view, in refeienoe to their benrioff upon toe condition sad ioter^ of the oooo- try at urge, and not npoB those of particniar leH- gions persnasipnst as distinct from pablio Interests, ot apon the Interests of any one rnlgloiu perMasion mors than those of nnother. And wU I toink is the tme diflWwce between • mera ssotarian and patHot ; betti[Mn consideriog the bH#tati(N)s nod l»fyl0ff^ and goTonuneat orn ootint^ in a seotarfmi or p*- 47 triolle spirit The ooe places hie sect Abore hi» ooauuj, aud supports or oppotea every public Uw or aaiuare of goveroment, Joal aa it may or m*y not promote the iotereats of hiti owo sect, irrespuutive ol pobHc iDteresis, and in rivalihip with those of otber sects ; the other views the well>being of tbe uoantr) aa the griMtt eod to b« propoaed aod puraueJ, aod the sscts aa amoBC tbe inauttiaeataUUes tributitry to that eod. Some, Indeed, have gone to the extreme of viewing all the religiooa persaaaiooa aa eviU to b«s dreaded and aa far aa possible proscribed, rather than aa diaiinct ageaoiee more or less promo ive of morality and vinae, and their rivalships tending to stimalait to greater activity, and, therefore, as a whole, more beMduhU than Injnrioua. Btgard to the state and religious character of the country. My second preliminary remark is, that aa the e I- acatiunal as well as otber iostitaiioua of a couatry must have reference to, and be greatly modittud by its social state and oharaoter ; so m the collegiate, us well aa elementary deparUne^itof Pablio Instruction, tiie religioos persaasions of the ooantry cannot b« disregsrded, as tliey form some of the muat powerful and important ol' the sociil elements which eutei in- to (he oonstittttion of the moral and intellectaal char- acter of the people of tbe oonairy. lu Upper Oan- ada, tne number of persons who would ttieoretioally or practically exclude Obristianity in all its furms mt an essential eleaent in tbe education of the couLtry, is exceedingly small ; and to bwie any of our educa- tional institutions upon the sentiment of such persona will inevitably ensure their abandoame it and rejec tioo by the people at Urge. A system of education, whetber collegiate or elementary, which ignores the religious sentiments of a people, cannot prosper or long exist among them except by coercion. Defect, as to religious instruction and oversight. Tuen there is the fJect ouroe" to be discussed, will soOdr iiuch an application, or rather waste of the most splendid Uuivcrsity en- dow.iient in America, to be perpetuated. As now expended, this endowment Is injurious rather than udVBDtageous to all the leadina religious persuasions of the Province ; and self-defdoce, as well ss other considerations, will prompt them to unite with that portion of the people who deem no State University eudowment necesiary, to abolish it altogether, aod apply the proceeds to purposes of common educa- tion. Ihe question to be considered. The question thsn arises^ in what way can the Uni- versity endowment be applied, so as to render it most usefbl to the country at larae, and so as to iaterest all classes in perpetuating It mviolate lor the purpo- ses originally cuntemijlated, by their deriving, mani- fest advanto^ from its application. Recognition of ihe princij)le of religious instruc- tion and oversiyht eesential. The first step to a consummation so devoutly to be wished is, that tbe system of University education to which tbe endowment should be inviolably applied, should be such as will receive the approval ana sup- port of the great body of tbe people, especially of the better educated classes. This can only be done by the recognition of a principle regarded as impor- tant and vital by more than nine-tenths of the peo- ple — aamely, religious instruction and overs'gbt form- ing an essential part of the education of tne youth of the country. I bdieve that no attempt to deny, to counteract, or evade the recognition and appLca« tion of this principl ', can succeed, in respect to either Oonjmou School or University Education. I lay it down then as a fundamental principle, that religious instruction must form a part of the education of the i youth of our country, and that that religious instruc- tion must be given by the several religious persua- sions to their youth respectively. The Common Sdbools are, aa a ganeral rules^ brought within an hour's walk of each family in the land ; and therefore the oversight and duties of tlie parents and pastors of the children attending theee schools, are not, in the least, suspended or interfered wiUi. The consti- tution or oner of discipline and liturgy of each re- ligioos persuasion, enjoins upon its clergy and mem- bers to teach their children the summary of religions taith and practice required to be taught to the chil- dren of the members of eath persuasion. To tr- quire, therefore, any sort of denominational teaching lu Uommoo Day Schools, is not only a work of su- (jerarogation, but a direct intenbrenoe with the litur- gical or disciplinary codes and functions of each re- ligious persnajioo, and providing by law for the ne^ lect of olerioal and parental ontiea, by transferring (hose duties to the Common School teacher, and thus sanctioning immoralities in pastors and parents which must, ia a high degree^ oe injnrions to the in? terests of pnblio morals, 'fbe cry for d«»iomination«t day Schools that has been ndMd by two or tbiea ecclesiastics in Upper Canada, is as senseless as it Is unpatriotic and aelflah. It is a bareboed demand Uutt the school master shall do tbe work of tht dergymad, and that the School master shall do tbA ! 48 If I • % work of the clirKjiimu, stid that lliu State ahall pay hini Tor it ; a Bcbcinu uoder which the expeosra of educiithiK iho » hole ptfoplit would be muiliplied tnuny fold, atul uiidi-r which u lur^e portiou of tho poor youti) of the ooat;tr7 wuuid he left without Koy rucaiiH of ediiCLktiuii upon tcrniH within reach of the pecu Diary re-iources of their puretitf>, aiilesi at (he expf lur of their religious faith. Il^cooomy ott well aa pairiot ism rr(|'ilre>4 the tchool^ for all to be opeo to all up- on iquul terms, and upoo priiieiplea couiuioD lo bI — leaving to euoh religiouH {.ersaahion the performance of ita own lecngnisod and appropriate duties in the reliffiou^ tcachiuff of its own youth. In such schools the phiMren can d« with tho teacher only from nine o'clock in tho morning until four o'clock in the after- noon of 8veor tix days in the week; while during euch moruing and oveuing, ami the whole of euchHubbitth, they arc with t heir uurcuta or pastors, and these aru the portions of time which usage and ecclesioscical lawh prescribe for religious studies and instruction, and for which I be teacher, who only sees the children during six or Feven of the workiuj^ hours of euch secular day of the week, ought not to be held responsible and with which he cannot be burthened to the adfantage of the children, or without criminal negkct on the !>art of the'r parents and pastors. I cannot there- ore conceive that it is the duty of the Government to provide denominational teaching to the pupild in the common day schools, any more than it ia its duty to provide for their daily f.>od and raiment, or a pluce of worship and preackiug fur them on the Sttboath Uow this principle is to be opjilied in Academiei •' and VolUges, and first reason for Public • Aid to such Institutions. form a considerable par^j in anv one Church— esp<)> cially In arv Prot«itant Chnrcb— mnch l<>^« in the country at large ; white the grent nrnjorily of the country are supporters of the lattn>. Secund reason for public aid to Dtnominational Colleges. Aiding drnominatioDal Uollegi's ia also acting, In another recpect, upon the principle on whicli aid ia given to Common Schools, namely, loeal contribu* tiona to the fame object. No aid ia given to a de> nominational College antil after ■ large outlay has been made by ita projectora la the nrncnring of premises, erection or proenring of bniMinKa. and the employment of profeaaora and teachers— «Tmcive of the intelligence, disposition and exertions of a large section of the oommunity to eatablisb and suatain such institution. r ' But in respect to Academies and Collrges the ease b ditr^rent. There are inatitutlims which cannot b» brought, wi'.hin an hour's walk of bnt very fbw of those who wish at^d are able to n-sort to them. Youth, iu order to attenlsuch institutions, must, as a general rule, leave their homes, and be tukea from the daily oversight and instructions of their {i^rents and pn.'^^''>rs. Daring thia part and peri'd or their edncatioii, the duties of parental and pastoral care and insiniction mast be suspended, or provision most be marie in connection with the Academies and Col leg's for stlch overs'ght and instruction. Yooth at- tending snch Institution", are at an age when they are most exposed to temp'a'ion— most need the best counsels in religion and moral': — are pursuing studies which most invdire the principles of human adtion, and th3 duties and relations of human liie. At aaeb n period and under such circumstances, vonth need the exercise of all that is tender and vigilant In pa- rental afil-ction, and all that is wise in pastonll over eight , yet th<>y are far removed both from their parents and pastors. Hedce what is supplied by the parent and pastor at h )me, mast be-provided in con- nection with the Academy and Cotlege abroad. And tkerefore the tome reason which condemns the estab'- Hshment of denominational common acbbo's, jastiflea the es'abtishmetit of denomisationaL Academies and Oolleges, in connection with which the duties of the dueot and the pastor ean be best discbarged. It ia uetefore absurd to sappose, as some have contended, ihitt if we disoonntenaoce denomiDAtiomi common •ehoola, we must condemn denomiuKional Academiei 4ad CoUeg^ There are aearcely as many persons BK XM)er Phu^a in Ikvor of the fanner, aiwodd Third reason for public aid to Denominational Colleges. There ia another reason for pubKc aid to denomi- national Colleges, based also upon the principle upon which aid ia given to Common School j and other literary ioatitutiona. It is that snch aid is given for the advancement of science and literature alone. It is not proposed to endow or aid denominational ool- leges for douomlnationalpurp'ses ; bnt beeanw snob Colleges are the most einoient and available agencies for euoouniging and extending the study of the higher branches of education in the oonntry. It is not recommended to give Legislative aid to any Theological Seminariee, or for the support of theo- logical professors in any of the denominational Col- leges ; nay, it may be proper and expedient to pr vide that in case any of the Colleges to wK Legislative aid is given, have or shall have then! cal profesiors, no part of the aid thus given shall ^w expeuded in payment of the salaries of suoh profes- sors, and that their salaries ahall be ptovidDd for from sources independent of the literary randa of such Colleges. Fourth reason for public aid to Denominational Coltegen. ' « ff— »!.. .1,7 10 This view of the subject appeahr id' 'mlB to coiii- maad itself with equal force on the ground of economy. Every person most admit the desirableness aid im- portance of expending the University Sducaitioo Fund to the best atkantage ; and I think few can deny or doubt that it has hiUierto been expended to the least, or rather to the worst advantage. I'he number of professors in the Faculty of Arts — that is, in the Colleg') proper for the unaer-gradnates— baa never exceeded four ; and it has always been main- tained that the duties of that CollegiaiS department of the ITniversity have been as efflcleotlr perfonried as in any of the Ootteges of the linglish UniversitfM. As to the Faculty of law and Medioloe (there being one professor in the toftatr, ^at mam in the latter,) tbe^ are nwro appendages to tbe UalvfffBil^) consnm- ing ite foods. Attendance oa the leptpu^ in either of tbeae Facaltiea^ is not oaoesMij to obtain the degree of Raohelor or Mssterof Arts ; thejv exist fqr any yoang men wlm may be stHdving fof yitber pror ((mioa, and are not so nnmoronalty attended as other aohooila of l»w «nd Medioiae i^ Totonto. ijiat receive no ](iiBgi«|at)ve aid. J do npt believe that the ens- teode of the Faoultka m now donstltiitia, is o^ anj /f M in the of the ulional pUnR, in !h »id is otitribti- to » de- tliiy hu nrinff of and the inclve of r a Inrge Buatftia Hotionai > ilenoml- •iple upon ond other given for iloue. It iODttl ool- ;an?e snob e agflDoies ly of the try. It Is id to MJ •t of theo- lional Col- tnl to ft' to w^' >t theot ea shali - > Mh profes- rovidtfd for ads uf such ninational DO to com* of economy. ess a°id ho- EdactrtioD liolt few eta Bzpended to atage. lite rta — that is, kdnates— has B been main- I department It perfonried Uiriveraitte*. (there being in tbe latter,) slty, contom- ii;ea in either obtain the they exi«t far jf ^litber pror nded »B other L t^at receive that the eziv- Itta, in of «Dj adTtDta|te to tbe eoantiy, or h desired by tke mem- ben lenerilly of the I'rolNsioiui of Ltm tad Medi- ciae. K » ;|( jtc )|c * :|( :)i Objection that you are endotoing Sectarianism annvered. This Ttew appears to me so irresistibly concIoslTe, that I vill not enlarge upon it ; hot will edrert for ft moment to two objections which may be made to tbe proposed system of aiding deoomioational eoneges. The one objeotlon is, ihat yon are thereby endowing seeteriwism. This oft repeated objection is only a soperfloiftl fallacy^a fallacy consisting of a mere play npon words. Now to endow sectarianism is a very diQkient t})iog from Aiding seotarians to do what is promotive of the Interests of all ciaases of BOcietT. If ft legiilfttlTe grant were made to a bene- volent society of the Ghnrch of England, or Rome, or the Presbyterian, Wealeyan, or Baptist Chnrcb, to relieve sioli and paapgr;immimnts, wonld it be en- dowing sectarianism, or employTng the already organ- laed agency of a sect to promote a pnblio object T The grants to denominational colleges are not to support those who are preftching Bectarianiam, and for the parpppe of teapl^og it ; bat lapporting those who inoBed hold and act npon the dioctrines of some leot, yet snpporting tbem as teaehers of the Engllah and otb^r Iftngnages, Mathematics, Philosophy, &&, io mbieh there is no religions, nor politioal sectarian- ism. It is t^oe tin religions persnasion whose col- lege may be thus iddeo, may and probably will derive advantage from any contribntion or grant whiflh nay increase ita eCBolency ; bat that adTan- tag« it oldefly indirect and remote. Bo may a reUgiois body derive some adTantage from any UoUege which affords faoilitiei^ for the edacation of ita youth, or from a government and laws which faciotftte its labors. There are also two facts in- volved in the question which cannot be overlooked ; the one is, that the denomination whose college may be aided, baa largely oontribn;ed to the same object, and assumes all the responsibility and labour of car- rying it into eftct The second is, that the rdigions sects are the only aotnal ftod probaUe ftgencieo in inoftloftting «nd maintaining the ohria^an morals of the eoont^, and withoat which tbe eountry wonld be without the first elements of civiliution and in a state of ftnarchy if not barbarism. These facts the objector cannot deny, though be may seek to sup- press them. The resa question for the consideration of the statesman ftnd philanthropist is^ in what way can each thousand ponnds, or each poind of tbe University Fund, be made instrnmeDtal in educating the largest number of vooth in the higher branches of ednefttion, with the best preventativea against im- pairing or endangering their morftis f This is the great okjeet with whidi the stfttesnun has to do ; and if in pronoting this <^jeot in the most efficient and economieal manner fbr the genscal welfiure, some advantage shoi^d fall to the agency employed, it re- mains Av the objector to show that snoh incidental adf iintage, taf so gmat » pnblio benefit, and so much Iftbor,' wpnld be ■ pftkuni^ to be dreaded. Second objection, that denominational CoHeges mil beeome too nvmiakiu*, iMMaered. *^ ▲ leeoBd obtaetion which mav be n^ to i^cliol denoidiudioiMr OoUegM b, thn they taay b«ooiM too numerooa, and thftt each denomination does not possess Buoh Colleges and wonld not therefore be in- cluded in such ft syatem. To the flrst part of this objection I reply, that there Is no danger of inatita- tions becoming more numerous than the wants of tbe country may require, tbe eatabliahment of which involves the vigorous and combined exertion of ao much intelligence, resources, and voluntary benevo- ioDce ; and should nuoh Colleges become more Dameroua than coald be aided to the amount now pro- posed to be given to each of the denomination al Colleges, tbe aggregate amount set apart annually for that purpose could be easily adjasted and dia- tribttted upon the principles of equity and faimesa. In rrgard to the fact that, all tne denominations have not Colleges, I remark that it is more than probable tbev all never will have Gollegea ; but it is certain that the views and feelings of a greater propor- tion of tbe population will be met by means of leveral OollegeB rather than by one alone. A Presbyterian Col'ege, or at least two auch College^ must certainly meet the doctrinal sentiments and religions expe.T- eoce of all nectiona of CaWinists, and • Methodist College those of all sectiooB of Methodists. To the Mei,bodiBt College already cstabliahed, I know that students from the several aoctions of Methodists in the conntrr, have resorted, and some of them eandi- dates for the mlniatry in their own section or body, and have pursued their studies there with ifttkfaotion and success. On this point, I may also make two additional remarks : 1. The greater part of those members of religioua persuasions not hating CoUeges of their own, who vrish to send sons to Oollege, wonld mac' rather send them to a college under the auspi- ces uf another religions peranasion th^n their own, yet pervaded by a Chriatian spirit and ezerclaing religious core over its students, than tO send them to college under no religious superintendence and exer- cising no cere in regard to the reiigious principles and morals of its students. 2. In each of the de- nomination Colleges, I believe no religions test is re- ? aired in the admission of stadents. I know tite Iharter of Victoria College forbids tbe appKcatioin of any religious test on the admission of any atndraV: and the authority of the College has been so seda- lously exerted in requiring those stadents who wer« membera of some other Church than that of the College, to attend the worship of their own Church, as in requiring the attendance of Methodhts at the worship of the Church. A non-denominaiional College for thote denomi- nations and classes tcho desire it. Should it be objected, that there is a considerable portion of the people of the coantry, vrito are on- posed to sending their children to any denominationftl College whatever, I reply that I do not propose to abolish the colfrgiate department of t|te Toronto UniTersity, but to continue the e^riment with i^ endowment of twice as large a sum as it has been ifoposed to grant to each of the denominationftl Joileges. While, therefore, the views and widies of this clasQ of persons are liberal^ ipet, th^ caQhot complain, except in the spirit of the moetiffiberal tyranny, if the views and wishes ofoihors of stro^ii^r reli^oos convictions than themselvei^ are alto, ih some measure. Consulted. Shopld the foregoing sunestiona ^ uiproved, tAte Funds of the I^ottersity wiu be maintain^ Inviohtw iii wi i l rt iit I 'WtHfiiiiili noKM «0 i ;.-i for the purposM originaUy contemplated, and I think practioal enect will be stven to the views and wishea of oine-teatfafi, if not nu>eteen4wenUetha of the peo- ple of Upper Oaoadak while the fadlitiee add intereata of the higher branohet of edaoation will be greatly extended. Now an to the means by ^hich I wonld promoto th«8e reaalta, I yentare to anbmit the following sng- gestiona as to the ontline of the plan. Suggestiof— Firsts the management of the 'V •.-.i.! 4iiiM.^' t'a endowment. ■ 1. I vtoitldinaAe the Crown the trastee of the magniflc^ct endowment, instead of an irresponsible Corporation, and I wonld transfer the sale and man- agement of landi to the Crown Lands Department, mod let the inveetments of the proceeds of sales be made nnder the authority of the Crown. I bitve uo donbt bnt that the management of the present Uni- versity Endowment is honest and judicioas : bnt it oosts to the fund, in my opinion, at least a thousand pounds per annum more than it would, were it man- aged as are the Grammar School lands. Second — a Provincial University ; how fonsti- . tvted } cw rent expenses of it ; Profesiersh^ps in it} expense qf buildings; estimated ex- pense qf building under Mr. Baldwin's Gov- > ernment. I' 2. I would propose farther to maintain and give effect to the idea which has been vaguely though popularly held, namely, the idea of a Provincial Uni- verdtif, suatMning a common relation to all 'he col- leges of the country, and providing instrwAion m tubjeeta and brtnekes ofaeienoe and literature trluek do not come mthin the undergraduate ewrricvlum in any College. I wonld suggest the establisbment of an institution to be designed "The University ot Upper Oanada," the ( iacoiporated colleges, and perhaps to the members I'sind stn dents of the professions generally, according to prescribed regnlfttiona I wt/cid have the leotwes MBily acoeasible if not free to the pnblia Tito boUd- ing lor such University wonld conust of fonr or six ,tectare rooms or theatres, a library and mosenni. ^ito Of nore of the eouses of lectnies coold be de- livered i« the Mate lootnre room, as they are in Paris. Sonetioicf Ave or six courses of leotures are there delivered in the same room. A janitor is snfflcient fbr the care of such a building ; and one librarian wonld be suflScient for the library and museum. The cost of BOoh a building need not exceed £6,000^ But excellent accommodation at little expense can, in the meantiowv fiB^obtwoed far the proiieasional lectures. PUuis nave been prepared end tenders have been made, bat not yet accepted, for the erec- tion of Toronto University Buildings, at an estimated expense of about £20,000 ; but the present buildmg is ample to accommodate fdl the undergraduates at- tending or likely to attend the College for many yoars. .,gf Denure of Professorships. I would qtake the appointments or the elections of Professors periodical, at least to some of the profes- sorships, as is the case in several of the University professorships at Oxford and Cambridge. As the duties of a professorship would consist of a limited number of lectures during certain months of the year, and would be an honorary distinction, I would not have the salariea large. Po%versof the University. ,*; I woold authorise the Regents of the University of Upper Canada, to establish, vrith the approval of the Oovemor Qeneral, professorships in any dqMirt- ment of scienoe and literature ; to appoint and re- move ProfeisoiB and other officers, and determine their duties and the amount of their remc^ieration ; and to Appoint f^om time to time an inspector or in- spectors to visit and report annually npon the state of the Colleges and Grammar Schools teceiving pub- lic aid ; to possess and exercise, by a Coinmittee or otherwise, all the powers in regard to the Normal School, text and library books and regulations for Common Schools, that are now exercised by •• the OouncU of Public Instiuction," and all the powers which wera proposed to be given to that body by the Gmnmar School Bill of 1850, in regarb Grammar Bchods ; to determine the stsndard and oonditicds of conferring degrees in the ails and sci- enoes ; to appoint examiners to examine, and to con- fer dcgreeo on eandidates presenting themselves, ac- cording to conditions prescribed, from any of the in> corponted Colleges in Upper Canida, so that if the degrees Of any of these Colleges sLonld be of little value, there wo the distinctions to which they might be entitled. 1 think there can be no comparison between the in&uence upon literature and science of a nnmber of Professors in a University thns eonstitnted, and that of the same nomber of Professors and at the suae expense attached to tho present Toronto University (College), attended by some score of nndergradaates, not one of whom might attend any of the leotnies referred to ; nor do I think the importance of soch a body as the proposed Regents can easily be over- rated in giving weighty «aity, i^ininetfy, and nppro- priatenesB to eveiy ptrt of ont system of pnblio in- stmetion. Prmincivl School i^ Lam. 8. TboBf^ it may boaaid, and sah<-9opidarly, that tholsgal wd Mdieal prt^assioDfi aL^4ti pni]f(de. lor tt their awn professional edacation as well as the prO' fessi'^n of theology ; yet I woald be in favour of granting from the University Fand some £500 or more per annam to the Law S'>ciety, for the employ- ment of Law lec'.urers. As that society is incorpor- at«d, determines the condition of admission to the stodv of the profession, prescribes regalations for Stodents at LiW, and then prescribes the standard and examination for t.ieir admission as Barristers, I think it woald be appropriate for the authorities of the Society to prescribe a course of studies and a course of lecture::; for the students, appoint lectarcrs, and require such coarses to bo delivered during terms, to be attended by all Students at Law, who should be examined in the subr '- of such lecturers, as well as in the books requiuU to be read. It appears to me that such a system in the Law Department is simple and feauble, and that if carried into effect, it would exert a salutary inflaence upon the whole legal profession in Upper Canada— very different from hav- ing one Professor ot Law in the Toronto University, lecturing betimes to some half dozen Students, but not recognized in any way by the Incorporated Law Society of Upper Canada. Provindat — School of Medicine. 4. Should the medical profession of Upper Canada be incorporated in a manner similar to that in which the legal profession has been incorporated, I think £750 or £1,000 of the University endowment, and the present medical lecture rooms of the Toronto University, might be placed at the disposal o*^ such MediciJ Society, for the employment of lecturers and other purposes in the interest of the Medical profes- sion and uLedical science of Upper Canada. 77ie system token and where devised. Such are the general suggestions, without entering into and indeed omitting details, I venture to sub mit on this grave and comprehenalve subject — sng gestious however, the most important of which I meditated on some of the highest mountwns in En- rope several years ago, and which I embodied in sub- stance in my Report on a system of pnblia elementary education in Upper Canada, pp. 9, 130—135, first published in 1846, but which I have long despaired of seeing carried into effect, and therefore consigned to oblivion. M what expense carried into effect. The whole of what I have proposad, it will be recollected, may be carried into effect within the present annual income of the Toronto University, and which is expended on that institution alone. In conclusion I may remark : that the plan I have proposed appears to me to possess among others tlie following advantages. Advantages of tlie system proposed. 1. It will give the fullest practical effect to the theory long advocated of a Provincial University. 2. It will continue to those who desire it, the priv- ilege of a "non-sectarian college." 3. It will satisfy the wishes of those largest sections of the community who insist upon denominational colleges : and it will efficiently aid those colleges without "endowing sectaiianism." 4. It will securo the integrity of the Univeruty Endowment, and provide for a much more economi- cal and efficient application of it than that which is now made. 5. It will associate with the higher edacation of youth those religious and moral influences, restraints aqd aids, which are the great agents and best guar- antees of the virtues and uiorals of the country. 6. It will give harmony and completeness to oar whole system of Public Instruction, and bring into operation new and powerful agents and influences for the advancement and extension of the higher branch- es of general science and literature. 7. It will secure the important desideratam of placing at the disposal of the Crown, a large and rapidly increasing fund, which may be applied from time to time, (perhaps most satisfactory and jadi- cionsly on the recommendation of the Begents of the University of Upper Canada,) as the wants and inter- ests of the country shall require— increasing tiie facilities of Collegiate edacation, as well as promot- ing the extension of practical science and the diffo- sion of general literature. I should fbel it needful to apologize for the great length of this communication, were I not aa&fled fVom yonr own great experience, that yom are fully sensible of the impossibility of presenting within narrow limits anything like a clear and impressive exposition of topics bo intricate, numeroas and im- portant, as those which have entered into tiie system submitted to your consideration. I remain, dear sir, if oar obedientservant, B. BYERSON. The Hon. Francis Hincks, kc , &c., Quebec. ^-.^■r%^4.%(^ i .,..^,.. '''-;■'"' 1 f«., ■ U''. ■ I-}''}/--' <>•■■ 'j \ ~^i' *. • » ' 1 * :\ •VHil i rbUi H'i J«;U : , tds «i'>f{io ^^-j'.SR (aasaoti : J .!: tdto . V . . »^ ',^,'.|,..i.»5-ti« .1^4 ' cut . • J .vVati^M \? )^^f<:> : ^^ •Oil' , .' f «« «!<■'■ u'r^Av ^;' . -. . •!7:e<'ntjCHi h:.". tn. nssJ^tt t>iiJ (fiM hnr ' ilwlw t ■ f .aj»U iiH' iS»tf iU« ii i«r.<»« •A' A-PPENDIX lH .tM 'MOtVff in I * r Eh4r4ctfr. R7ER80N*S t*phf to Statements cemtained in thf questions of the Hcmufahle OEOROEBROWN^M.P.P. ♦Cl to Question 263, Mr. Brown asked me— "Ts it ttue tliat you have sought to have Toronto University brdtaght under yoiir control as a branch of your do- pkimiint, and thftt the educated man of the University hiVe ihditfnantly scouted your interference in classical dud gcienuflo education as totally beyond your sphere?" Thfl origlaand ptomptings of this question are trans- ^mqft. Thi eondUsion of my answer was—" The .. .ii)lu4tioa ill without foundation, and the veir reverse Of truui." To show the malicious falsity of the slate- lii^ht co&tttitted in the question, and that I declined any ^onttol in Uuiversity matters, as also the emolu- mftiits df the Vice-Chancellorship, I will read t#o notes — the One addressed a day or two since to the Hon tit Christie, and tlie other his reply: they are as fol- IWirii : (Copy.) QniBio, April, 19th, 1860. Hr D*A* Sm :— It havfttjbeen stated the 6ther day ih'tne University Committee of the Lerislative Asscfm- Mf, th4t I had sought to get control cf the Unlversify, I M^ peMiiSsion to kOs. vou if, a short tiihe before Hr. LA>l|t6nj||b *leeUotl by the Senate as Vice-dhancellor of the TftiiVersity, yon did not, in behalf 6f youriell* ata4 certain other members of the Senate, ptoptfse to me toy deetion to that office, ahd if I did ii6t decline the ligftlAmbr jtad iihportaht trust you prctooscd to cottfer UpbU mt. I remrfij, toy dear Sir, "'■'•:'. . Yourt tolly, "'j?*"*^^^''' ;(Ste|i«d) , *. ttiiiR90K. 'ofBi^n. l»Via ChHilaej il. L. C. -iVB )l"« .il [ir p tovoa ynSfi", (Copy.) QuiBBC, 19tb April, 1860. Ht DiAB Sir :— I regret that the proposal which was made to elect you to the Vice-Chancellorship of the University of Toronto should have been construed as a proof of your desire to control the University The gentlemen who made the proposal supposed that the office in question might, with great propriety, be filled by the Head of the Educational Department in Upper Canada. You declined to accept the position, and there the matter ended. I remain, my dear Sir, Yours, very truly, (Signed) DAVID CHRISTIE. The Rev. E. Ryerson, Quebec. In question 250, 1 am represented by Hr. Brown, as having "proposed to the Senate the establishment of Barron? ten additional Scholarships of $200 each— or in all 92000 per annum." The letter which I happened to have with me, and which I put in evidence, shows, that what I proposed, was ten exhibitione "for Mas- terships of Grammar Schools — each to be of the value of 9300, and to be tenable for one year only ;" the competition for those exhibitions to be confined to Maaten of Common Schools, who had taught a Oom< moa School, who had attended the Normal School one Seuion, who had prepared for College at the Model GrammM School, wbo had been reeommeaded by the Council of Public Instruction, and who should engik^e to teach a Qrummar School in Upper Canada, three or four years, and provide security for the fulfilment of this promise, or refund the amount of the exhibition With interest. Such were the conditions ahd objecti of the competition ; and then the competitors were to go be- fore the Examiners of the University, Which was tO decide the standard of the examination) and After- wards remain and pursue Collegiate studies in Univer- sity College, one year. The proposal was rejected ; the desired encouragement to inlelligeht and enter- prising Common School teachers was withheld ; the hope of providing regularly trained masters fol* the Grammar Schools, was disappointed-; and I am now represented as having endeavoured to eslablisii ordi- nary Scholarships to the amount of $200l) pejr annuin. I now address myself to one of the liiosC ftuaiMibuti impositions ever practised upon a Cdmihitt^e in the Legislative Assembly, as well as a most bfarenced at- tempt to misrepresent and impugn toe. By quedtip&i 245 and 248, 1 am charged with naving, in 18iS4. 6i)p- ported and reported in favor of eitduuMihg scn61&r- ships, involving an annual expendhure of 912,000. My answer was, that I opposed it. And then, to con- vict me of falsehood, and to prove that t supporfed what I declared I had oppbsed, Mr. Brown puts the following quesUops: — Ques. 246— Did you, on the IStb of M&reh, 1854, second the following resolutions: *■ Isl That there should he fifleeeh ichol&rship^ open to cotopetition at the mfttricnlalibA of eacn df tne three ^hnufl 8ucc<)edihg exatoiiiaUdns in art^, eUt'h U> be held for one year 7 " 2nd. At the matriculation ten scholarships shbiita be appropriated to those who held t)ie highest places in general classes, and five lo thoM slnoeins who (lave mo ' listtnguished themselves on tne «Ml6wing special ts, viz. : Two for mathematics. Wo tor ctassiM, anu "He for modern languages. 3rl. At the first .V oar's examination, sev'n chol- arships shall be h iproprii^ted to those wh>> hold the highest places U- Me general classes and eight in the following subjects, viz Two in clasp i, two in natural sciences, and two in modern languag...^. " 4th. At the two following Annual Examinations, five scholarships shall be appropriated to c. highest in the general classes, and ten to thosu who have most distinguished themselves, ^^ ., kc. Jtn», I cannot recollect. I k : aw the subject of such scholarships was discussed. .oct." When Mr. Brown put these qii> ..ons, I had no re- collection whatever of having placed my viewa on record respecting th^creation of Scholarships to the amount of 913,000 jMr annum, although I recollected having opposed it, and that I had advocated scholar- ships for assistance of poor young men. But on turn- ing to the Minutes of the Senate's proceedings, I find that the resolutions quoted by Mr. Brown, bad no relation to the creation of Scholaiahips, but to the manner of distribnting Scholanhipe alreiady created, aad tiie creation of which I bad opposed. / ' ! 54 t^ I I, I i \ The resolutions creating Scholorshipswer* proposed b/Mr. Langton, the 15th of March, 1854, three days before the introduction of the resolutions quoted by Mr. Brown. An attempt was raede to get them post- poned, until a return of the number of Students in University College should be laid before the Senate. That motion having failed, 1 moved an amendment to Mr. Langton's resolutions on Scholarships. The fol- lowing is an extract from the Minutes of the Senate, March ISth, 1854, recording the proceedings referred tor- Mr. Langton, seconded by Mr. Justice Draper, morod, " 1. That all Scholarships for Undergraduates, shall be of the same amount, viz. : £30 each, and that there shall be 15 annually. " 2. That no Student shall hold more than one Scholarship in any one year. " 3. That there shall be eight Scholarships annually for graduates, to be held for two years after taking the degree of B. A., of the value of £50 each. <' 4. That there shall be two exhibitions of the value of £15 each, in every year, which shall be awarded to Students who would have been entitled to Scholarships, but are not or do not propose to be resident in any affiliated College. "Dr. Workman, seconded by Mr. Nelles. moved in amendment (to the above), "That the further consid- eration of the subject of Scholarships, be deferred un- til the information alluded to in the notice of motion (for the return of Students attending University Col- lege), given to-day by the mover (Dr. Workman), be placed before the Senate. IVhich amendnunt wiu lost. " The Rev. Dr. Ryerson, seconded by the Rev. Mr. Nelles, moved in amendment, "That a sum not exceed- ing £1000 per annum, be expended for the establish- ment of Scholarships in the University. That these Scholarships be ectablished for the purpose of assist- ing (as far as possible), with pecuniary aid, deserving youth, whose parents may be unable to meet the ex- pense necessarily attendant upon a University edu- cation. Which amendTnent was lost. " The origiiiAl resolutions, as proposed by Mr. Lang- ton and seconded by the Hon. Justice Draper, were then KspectiTelT put atxd CABRiiD." .*37.ui(/!5i'ti! tri'jF'iiiii rfi oyi: {lOi: .«9'.:ifnvH ,viJO!JAninii:};J! liii. •'.!/. i!:iiy,fifjiVJ 'r.'i •»[} U\ .iljl ' eii.a Of' It liurfJ tit .I'j Liia ivm^iti'.-i (jsn't^ig o&t ni M fcnii vi!/fiT .-id .ttiillW ."!rfoH til noij*»i3^iiJ jjtJtJ'»«c{S»i L-!'M»i bf>.*'>flno;)0'i ! i!!jwori)lA ,tnoa»i) -fl^ ono.JMf 1o Jim/ofiii •i*!«'j()'ii( h'jI«u;>H m\i "io wiunrill! jiU ci3 - on l/*il ,fiwoiil,.iM y,);:!{o«9i aiiJ . 6iU o.t "'Ud .ntjiii-iuliidafcl 1o u^-ihm\j arfi oj afiiii Now, Sir, in the face of these proceedings, recorded on the official minutes of the Senate, within three pages of where Mr. Brown quotes the resolutions con- tained in his question, 246 (above cited), he represents me as having suppor^d th« eatabliphtaent of sohoUr- ships, involving an expenditure of $12,000 per an- num I His questions also assert that the Scholarships! which I aided in establishing, were the same as those now established. The above amendment, moved by me, shows that while I opposed the appropriation of more than £1000 for scholarships, I proposed to con- fine the competition for such scholarships to poor young men. The resolutions quoted by Mr. Brown, specify not the creation, but the awarding or distri- bution of the scholarships previously created. They show the preference given to general proficiency, ten out of the fifteen scholarships at Matriculation to be given to those who held the highest places in •inibal CLABSBs ; seven out of the first year, and five for each of the two following years, also for general proficiency ; whereas, according to the present system, only one scholarship is given for general proficiency the first year, and none for any one of the following years, and none for poor y >ung men ; they always competing at a disadvantage, as rich men are able to employ private tutors for their sons. The Rev. Mr. Nelles, in his evi« dence in answer to question 409, quotes the proceed- ings of the Senate, and shows how contrary to the records themselves, are the statements contained in Mr. Brown's questions. As well might Mr. Doriop be charged with having voted to divide Mon^eal into three electoral districts, because when a BUI which he had opposed was passed to make such a division, he wished to render it as consistent with his own views as possible. I opposed the creation of scholar- ships as proposed, and when they were esta^Ushed, [ sought to make the distribution of them as ,^uBt and beneficial as possible, according to my views. Soch false quotations from the official minutes of the Senate, in order to implicate me, are of a piece with the seven forged quotations made by the " Editortin-GI|i«f" of the Qlobe, which I exposed last year, and to which he has never attempted any reply. B. RYERSON. 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Sflo »i gg, recorded irithin three lutions con- le represeots t of achoUr- )00 per an- 3cholBrBhip!> ime as those t, moTed by ropriation of losed to con- lips to poor f Mr. Brown, Dg or diatri- sated. Tbe.r oficienoy, t«n ulation to be S in WNIBAL five for each I proficiency ; em, only one mcy the first Qg years, and competing at mploy private as, in bis evi- the proceed- itrary to the contained in ix. Doriop be Mon^eal into a Bill which :h a division, iritb bis own on of scbolar- esta^Ushed, I m as 3ust and views. Snch of the Senate, frith the seven Mn.OI»i«f " of d to which he PERSON. •3 03 ithfiiil aJB-f/ 4f : aoilsottp iiI w ,too(S*>8 u"«n