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Tous las autres exemplaires originaux sont filmis an commandant par la premiere page qui comporte une empreinte d'impression ou d'illustration at an terminant par la darnidre page qui comporte une telle empreinte. Un des symboles suivants apparattra sur la darniire image de cheque microfiche, selon le cas: le symbols — ^ signifie "A SUIVRE ", le symbols V signifie "FIN". Les cartea. plane' as, tableaux, etc., peuvent dtre filmte k das taux da rMuction diffirants. Lorsque le document est trop grand pour dtre reproduit en un seul cliche, il est filmi h partir de I'angle supirieur gauche, de gaucho h droite, et de haut en bas, an pranant la nombra d'imagas nicessaira. Las diagrammas suivants illustrsnt la m6thode. 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5 6 MONTREAL NORTHERN COLONIZATION COMPT lleport of Clms. Lcgge, Esq, Chief Engineer of the Montreal Northern Colonization Railway Co., on the interview of the 16th December, 1874, between the Hon. Alex. Mackenzie and a joint deputation of that Company and of the North f^hore Railwoy Company. 3 Offioi or Omir Enqinkib, Montreal, 4th January, 1875. Bib,— I am in receipt of yoar favor of tha 3l8t in^t, tfala moraiog, rft^aesting «ABe- " port to bu prepared, for the Information of *' the President, then absent, of what took '* place in the Intetvlew lately held at «' Ottawa, between the Hoiiorabla Fremlevof *' the Dominion, and tbt) joint deputation " of the North Bhore and Northern Oolonlzt- " tlon Rtilway Boards, and at the same time I' to embody therein any Bagg^Btlous yon <■ may think proper to make to oar Board, " concerning the Important sabject treated In " Ottawa by the joint deputation." Having been notified that a meeting of the Board will be held to-dny to consider this matter, time will not permit of any extended report, I will, therefore, confine my re- marks toa few engineering points, more e8« pecially as several members of the Direction were present on that occasion, and will be able to give verbal reports on the general points diacussed, which, together with the tall newspaper accoants, will make the Pre< sident fully conversant with the rather an- aatisfactory results arrived at. I first beg to submit a printed copy of the memorial presented by the joint deputation, which, after the usual deeciiptive matter, ends as follows : " The undersigned, firmly believing the *< Qaebec and Mat%wan route to possess su- " perior engineering and tralfic atiiibutes, at " the same time capable of being more " economically constructed in so far as the " Dominion Government would be called on " on to contribute, forming also an inter- " provincial work, In contra-dlstlnction to " the mere loc^l or provincial lines already " alluded to, most earnestly deeire ; first, that •' the line to be snbsid'zad from Lake Nipis- " sing, in the general direction of Ottawa be " left an open question, until thorough sur- " veys, and the financial asridtance to bo " rendered the ilval lines by the Provincial " Governments and Municipalities, shall " have demonstrated the most suitable one " in engineering, traffic working and finan- " clal points of view, for the Domialon Gov- " emment to adopt and assist." " From the best loformation acquired, as " will be shown by the reporte submitted " herewith, it would appear that the ronte " by the Matawan is oest adapted on the " whole, for the traffic between the West and " the East, and is strongly urged upon your " attention; justice to the Province of Que- " bee demanalDg that this route be adopted " In pieieretice to raj other. In case this " justice to the said Province be refused, It *' cannot be doubted that the Dominion " Government ought to construct as a fed a " ral work, the entire line of railway from <* Georgian Bay to aome suitable point of '* connection with the Province of Qaebeo at ''• Pembroke." " Moreover, the two companies arve yoar '* Government most respectfully ana ener- " getically, that in any arrargements which " might be made for establishing a com- munlcation between the terminus of the " Canadian Pacific Railway and the Bailwaya '■ In the Provinces of Ontario and Qaebeo, the <' terminus of the said Pacific BUlway re- ■< mains as fixed by the Act of Canada, 35 " Vic., Cap. 71, on or near the santh-aaatern << end of Lake Nipisslng." Prior to referring to the Hon. Premler'd remarks, I may mention that the detailed lastramental surveys of the line on the North Shore, from Aylraer to the Matawan, have been completed, under the able auperin- tendenoe of Mr. Starke, C. E., and a far more favourable condition at line, both in its en- gineering characteristics and cost, has been found than I have ventured to anticipate. A very vttluable and exhaastlva repor*; from that engineer, together with full details of cost, maps, profiles, &? , &c., Is herewith laid be> lore you. la the reports of March, 1873, and ^ist March, 1874, on the hurried preliminary ex- plorations then made from Aylmer to the mouth of the French Blver, via the Matawan, tne cost of the entire line— about 290 miles, —was placed approximately at $30,000 per mile, embracing rolling stock and other ne- cessary adjuncts ot a Railway. From Mr Starke's detailed eitlinate, it ap- pears that the total cost of a liije from Aylmer to the Matawan, with Iron rails and wooden bridges, is $5,008,955, or for a total distance ol 173 miles, will averaj^o bat $29,000 per mile. In this sum, which Is based on most libe- ral price?, are also allowances of 6 par cent for sidings, the large sum of $S92,000 for rolling stock, $86,000 for station baildings, Aa. ; with the ver^ wide^margin of $455,000 for contingencies. If Bteel rails and Iron bridges aie used, the total cost, covering the aforesaia Items, will be $5,459,426 ; or at the rate of bat $31,557 per mile, Inclading $496,000 for contla- geccles. It will thus be seen that with iron rails, &c, a line of 173 miles in length, ocehalf at leasi of It being exceptlonaUy expensive, has been obtained for $1,000 a mile less than by my rough-eye estimate. The balance of the road from the Matawan to mouth of French River, is less expensive to build, but the extra cost of getting mate- rial on the ppot will probat^ly equalize- tlio price. HaviDg been over the country, I can with confidence now state the entire cost of the work from Aylmer to the Georgian Bay vit t e Matawan, will not excieod |30,COO p?r mile, for a line with iron rail?, fnlly equipped, and at the ctamo time leave a tuHrgln of profit In th« pockets of the contr.vtorg, of not far from $1,000,000. So much. In relation to ccetof yonr line. With reference to that recimmended hv ttie honorable Premier, from Kenfrow or Pem- broke, to the mouth of French River, wc have absolutfly not the elighest clue to ar- rive at any conclusion aa to the probable oo»t. It is true the country, or a por- tion of it, to be traversed by the lines in the direction of Pembroke and Renfrew, wac ex- plored by Mr Hozlewcod dnrinf; last summer, and extracts from several of his letters are given by Mr Flem'ng, for thoinforojation of ihe honorable Premier, and of Intending con- tractors, but nothing of a defij.lte character as to cost, elevations, &c. This document, accompanied by a ppoolfi cation for the coDstrncttoa of the railway both cfiawn up by Mr Fleming-, are here- with submitted. It certainly appears a little at an go, af tor an expenditure of eo many hundrtdaof thou- eands of dollars by the Dominion Govern- mer;t In making surveys for tho Pacific Railway, that on the first section of souo 217 miles in length, from Renfrew t > mouth of French River, the first instalment advertised to be let, and oa which tender.^ are to be received for its construction, not a eioglo braiB Instrument has been u3od in the way of making anrv^ye:, to ascertain the cost. That the Government, englneera, Intending contractors, and the public generally are as profoundly Ignorant ot the gaograpbical, geological and engineorlDg features of the country to bo traversed as they were vf the intor'or of Africa fcofoi«i tbe great Llvlcgstore's explorationo ; and nnder those circumstances any purson or compnuy seeking to tender for the wo'k, between the limited time, 16th of Novt-mber last, tbe date of general conditlnna and of specifica- tions supplied by the Government, and the end of December last, the dato of receiving tenders, mnht, In traming th'iir hip b&zird estimates, have bai no siiflicient time allowed to pass ever the conniry even In the most cursory manner. A tender of $40,000 por mile, might under those circumstancrs, have btea looked on us being more within the margin of safetv.than our comparatively moderate fliira of S30 000 for the Matawan route ; however, time and the opening of the tenders will reveal. In the coarse ot tne n'ononrable Prtmlm'a remarks, he dwelt largely on the fact that a) measured on the map, the route from the mouth of French River, vii Rynfr^w, to Men treaJ, wai a mo.re direct one than that via the Matawau. This fact has never been denied or cou- cealed by as. Oa the contrary, It has been acknowledged, as will be seen by consulting page 4 of printed letter addressed to yon, under date of 24th September last. As this will thi found one of the most important points urged by the first Minister, and on which his decision will probably hinge, the following copious extract will be given : — " Why then s^^oulrt the Honourable Premier, " who, it is understood, has no personal " knowledge ot the locality, insist on " ignoring that solemn compact, an " Act of Parliament, and move the " eastern terminus of the Pacific Railway " about twenty five miles directly south, tj a " point on the 'iir ilne from month of French " River to Renfrew, the nearest place for rail " connection on the ea^t ? An answer to this " question no donbt will be because this " route Is the shortest distance between pre- •' sent rail connection with the Ottawa Valley "at Renfrew, and a good harbor on lake '■ Huron, tit the same time heading in the '• proper oirection for Baalt 8te. Maile, a '■ locality ultimately to be reached with our "Canadian railway system. " To this it may bo rejoined : yes, on the " map such appears to ba the case. '•The (Ustnnca from mo':lh of " French KtV'3r to Renfrew, in a "direct line, is auout 205 miles. "To tQlx add, nay 6 per cent, for "curvature lOi " " Total (iifitance to conotrunt 2i5i " " AdddiBtanoe fror>i Renfrew to (Ji^- "l>.wa via Caaadu Ceatiai 7J " "Total distance from mouth cf ♦• 1'" tench River to Ottuvfj* ... 285j " "The estiraated appro-^imate dls- " lance Irom OttT.WH, via M N.C, «. " tn Mtitawan, then'e via La»e "Nli'lKsinx to mouth of French "Klver i97 " " Showing only a saving in running distance, " as measured on the map, of llj milts la " in favor of the Honorable Premtei'a more " favorable line, as claimed. This dif- " ferenco is more apparent than real, as will " be seen when the question Is examined " from ar other and prs-eminenthj governing " point of \ lew. " On page 16 of the Report, addressed to " yen, under date of the 3l8t March last, " while rsferrls*^ to tbe pnmTTiit -level to be " surmounted by the Pariy Sound line, in " paaslrg from the waters ot the Ottawa to " those of LaUo Huron, the folio vlng remvk "occurs: ' Wh'it tho beight of thin wator " 'crest above ttie 0:tnmptlon, therefore, tho extra " height, say 751 foet, will be equivalent to " about 37J miles of iiddit!on»l load, which, " added to tho already ascertained distance '• on the map, will make the Honorable Pre- " mlei'd lino measure for traffic worklcg " purposes 322] miles, or 25J miles longer " than 1^8 rival, the Northern Colonization '• from Ottawa Olty via tho Matawan and " Labe Nlpl^slag to the same point at " mouth of Frerch River. These result} " will be rather embarrassing to the advocates " of tho Oatarlo air line, but cannot be set " aside. " My strong impression Is that the final " conclualons would be still mote striking " were there an opportunity of comparing " the merits of the rival lines, after havicg " lubjected both to InstrumentLkl surveys. " Wo would then be able to compare " minutely the entire question of grades, cur- " vature, measured length of lines, cost of " construction, amount of eubeidios to be re- " ccived from tho Local Qoveinmonta of " Ontario and '^iitboc, with municipal aid, " If any, and then strike a balance in fas'or " of one or other of the competing routes. As stated in the report of Slst March, page 21 : "The Dominion Government will " then be in a position to jad^e understand- <* ingly and to act in the interests of the en- " tire people. You will observe from the foregolnar, that this question of extra height of land to be passed over by the traffic Is one of the greatest importance in determining the rela- tive volues of the two lines. In close rela- tion also to thiH subject, will be the " ups and downb" of iho Intermediate grades as they approach these Eummit levels, from the waters of Liko Huron atd the Ottawa re- epectlvoly; Information which manifestly can only be obtained for purposes of comparison, but by a minute instrumental snrvey of both routes, la reference to the major point however,of extreme summit ievels to be passed, the writer considered ho could offer no higher authorities than the insUumontal surveys of Si* Wll!l5m Lo^rS", who places t*--6 Humtnit water level cf Burnt Island and Otter Lakes, on the honorable Premier's line, at 1405.85 feet «f joar line of 75T' felt *^^"''°^« '"^ ^'•'^o' before Btatflrt - 1- . , ' 'oprefleuUni? a* traffic "otr^bVll'^J 'S ^K^'^o'f ^,?*"' «'« "' wy /or all practlcS^^n^nn. ^^ °*"«" «' 'oad. .. before VuJii'^t'P ,7' 'n''°'"°* »*»*« th.t advocated by (hTLom^ m'^o" '""*'>•'» I m»j here m/Jiol wkh r, ' ^'''"'"• v«ry Important point VThI r>ference to this theee facta belJre'^bm ?he iT'^Vf "'^ '^'t** ttan W.8 good enonS to ri^ft"!:'*' *^«°*'«- ered Mr. Legge had no ^J,T\'^ '*" ^^^^aW- that any .?S diffrrVcJT''''"'.'^*'*'"'^ Ml«ted;thaeaamia«ii?L»tM T'"'' ^*«"'« •t that time. """""J' aettling the question •»ad» on Iha't ocoa ?o^ ""T""^^' gentleman ^r«,n« characteJ i^tie TT''' *° **»« Which hiB line 1/ to pase and" kT l^"'''^^ wa8 80 8t.onglynrfled J^iif^ '**"*'^ Pol"* ^•w with th^PcXc deinLf,'''^°°« "»*«'- WM an, allaslon mUle to fh« f °- ^'"^^^^ money the Dominion GoTernrf'""""""*' °' wiled on to contribute In hn^^?"* ''°°''^ ^e "o ilno, pure and TmJ^ S'^^'^^ ^^^^ Oata- stated In the Repor T 24tS'i''W''«»''"atelF to be an aannal .nm * ^^^ September last event of tie P* oXe oront^'f'''^^' '« »^« contribution ; and also /h?fi*''° ""^'"^ °o of the two Unes n«r r^n '.* **** '"'"tlve cost The remark of SLhoLlhr'^ be the same thl8 financial point wnn?-?^*^^"*'''"^*^ on been viewed wlS ?nte7e °t .'l °° ^°°*^*' ^''^^ however, that he hii « i^i^^^" assDmlng, qnestlon'lnaliJe.nmn. °' '^''^'"''^ <" the 'ummii U^els "'"^a^y manner with tie The more Information r -r,™. more fnlly the qaestlm^p acquire, and the Polats Of view, ?he mo?eam''rT*°^ ''""^ «" the valley of the n^J '*"*'* *^** Matawan, Is tha „?**?•' "'^ the conme/ciaJ, and natfn,T^ ' ^^^ancia', Gnind Trunk Ihl ?■"*>"*' route for this and MoSl i"'theX[fh '"'f °' ^^«^' " then any departure L^ ^''^'*^'»' ^at«8; only be^ seK ''b^'uTde; Vu?^ .""' °°^ consequences of which wnilS* ''"°**' *he people for all time ^'""^ millions of .nt"n'gi:r;t ^fhTf,;;' 'f '''''' - «»»>- Government are tL'ni °^ *^" Dominion vorlng or •cceptlng't^rna.fnVr'^'^*^'* ^-- It becomes the dutv of 1. /,*"*' '*'°*«' then after and urge the «rS' ^'''"P"^' ^olook - •" tQc if on. of«iplor,ilons: ^""""od'i KcoonI «on.l-ao.. or . °h:"i,fl"i»,°"'«. lew ,„ way. soma diatlnce from°';h^°'"*""R•"• «eventy mile, above ottS^a •' ''""' •°'* StriZe;:it^^L'"^belngextend ^tawa. to a suitable *,„,?"^ "^'^^ of the •t fia Passe, In tSe ihb?K"^''«'''«f'«»7 broke, the distance from m^"* °^ ^«'»- cently surveyed viaT 1 p "•^* (a« re- ««ii be 87 miles' tn .k. ?*'*« *« Pembroke) P^^mbro J t'^iruerof'?!" '^l^'-^^*' ''oL^ above, 188 miles, and we ^L?"** "'^". "^ t«nce from that i laoL to n» "^^ • *°tal dls- 275 miles. ^ ^^ *° °"*wa city of some ^^^''^enZnTJZT'''^ °f *^'«ch River "i^e manned b*?' 8?^?:; ^ ^L"*^»^' '^^'n IcDgei than the P^mhS ''**'°* ^2 miles O. R. route. This difl^ '"''* *»>' J«. N great ^:«tent from the .^?°*'' •""«« to . Canada Centra/^ C*arle2rPl.r^ by the Honor:?il?iJ,^-°^ that ^^ on the Of distance) pSrokrwil, "jf^i J"^°«°«»a aim for, and not Renfrew- ' ^' *^* P°'°* to the extra |870 000 siitrtT ?u'"'y nothing of by the Pen^b^oJe' rSu l b5' ^°^"»ment been urged that the M N fi T^V *"»" at Port.ge du Fort, and seek a t°?'* '''*'«« the Government subsidized m °*°° ^'th or Douglass From som? "°® ** Renfrew ance with the roS ^0^"°,"*' ■*'^««"'t. between Portage du Fort !„d'p°' '*»« ^o^ntry fearful that a rSad through th.?r?r' ^ ^^- he very expensive 'Mr*rl'°° ''^''W prosecuting the Upper 0«lw/"'*' ''*»"• directed to make a special ilT!L,'°'?J''' "a. place, and afterward! renL.-ri?*"°° °^the be nearly. If not a Uogather J^ **"**.'* ''^"'d construct the line fr^f d ^™P'*«'tlcable.to the locaatleVXferto'''T'? ^°'» »^ Douglass had thu, to h« -k^'"'^'*'' and 1 nea Jnolden- 'od'* •cconnt 'ench Rlrsr *" to Beu- « of Bay 217 rench Hirer milea. > Been that 'ilea less to » »»vlng to Powered to ^0,000. awa BiTer a cooDfc "t«I Rail. Ivor, and >g extend de ot the i8lDgr, saj of Pesn- (•a re. "nbfoke) Qce from "ver, aj otal dl8- of soma h Rfrer will Jn 2 miles M. N. B to a by the Q the rtness •Int to log of iment t has cross with ifrew alnt- intry y^^B DQld hlle was the aid I, to ; to Qd nd nt m month of French River or from L%ke NIdIb- ■Ing. *^ BnmmiDg np the snbject, and leaving out the Matawan lor tne present, a janotlon of the M. N. 0, B mnst be effected i«»«th the Gorernment Bobaidlzed line to ^ snfrew either at Ottawa, through the Intervention of the Canada Central, for seventy milea, over which road the Government can exercise no control In giving ranning powers, bat which mnat be the result of private airangemento • or the point of union between the M.N. C r' •nd the Government sabsidlzed line must take place at Pembroke, via La Passe, direct In this latter case the Canada Central would have simply to extend its road from Renfrew to Pembroke, a distance of thirty mllea, over a comparatively level and cheap country for construction, to join the common BubBldlzed line «t that place, on the same footing with the M. N. 0. R. My own impreseicn is that, on more ma- ture conaideratlon, the Dominion Govern- ment will postpone the letting of the work from the mouth of French River, easterly to Renfrew, or Pembroke, until thorough instru- mental surveys are made and some adequate Information obtained regarding the character ♦ J. *^°°°*'y •'Id obstacles to be encoun- tsred. To do ^0 will bo but the act of wlss men as we may be well assured no capitalist will lurnish the large balance of money required to complete the subsIdJzad section without those bonds are guaranteed by the Crovernment, more especially as for yeats to come there will not be a paying traffic passing over the road for more than six months In each year. The Government will therefore, to all intents and purposes, be at the entire expense of construction, and would no doubt fiad It !a the public interest to diapenae with the intervening Company Under thoae conditions the M. N C B and Canada Central, with any other rail wiysVrom untarlo or Quebec, centering at Pembroke, would have immediate access to and run- ning arrangements over the Government Hani*«. ^^"*.*" ^^y« "<* eventually to oauit Sle. Marie, InoontludlDg these hurried remarka It cannot be too f trongly urged or your Com- ^!?J'.*u®^**'®''""' °' making a connection w th the Government line at Matawan or Nlplsfilng if possible ; but failing that, then at t-embroke via La Passe. This will give jou independent powers through the Pro. vince of Quebec to the utmost limit attain- able ; but while urging this courae. I would alBo still recommend the construction of a bridge at Ottawa City , and a union at that place with the great lumbar yards on the Bouih side of the river, as well as with the Canada Central, and other lines if rallwav coming in from the East, South and West. for the mutual nnd economical exchange of freight and passengers. I have the honor to be, Sir, Your obedient servant, CHARLES LEQGE, Chief Engineer. E. LgF. DB BiLMFJDILLB, ESQ., Sec. Trea. M. N. 0. B. 1