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 CLOSE OF THE OTTAWA SESSIOX 
 
 SPEECH 
 
 or 
 
 HON. W. S. FIELDIXd. MR 
 
 AiixisTKir or FiNA\< i; 
 
 IN 
 
 REVIi:noFTIIK PI.VWCIAL sriTATlON 
 
 Lip,i:i{.\i. i:xpKXi)i'rci{Ks-Ri:i)('('i;i) nyvv: of 
 
 TAXATION-SMALL LNC'ltKASl-: or DKp/l' 
 
 IN TlIK IIOISFC <.!■■ COMMONS, AT OTTAWA. ..N I RinAV. ACd. 11, \m^ 
 
 JIST lU'l'OHi: TilF, 1'I!()?:o(;a'-!oN, f|o\. Mil, FIKLDIXO 
 
 liKPLlilh TO TlIK C itrnciSMs OF HON. .MIt. KO.STKK 
 
 The MI.MSTKIJ Ol' Fl.NWNTK (Mr. Field- 
 ing). We art' al tlio closf of a vcrv lon^ iiiiil 
 liil-.orloiis, and I am siitv we will all now sav. 
 soiiicwlint iin'soiii(> sw.'^loii, (iml ji.i tlil.« m'o- 
 iiu'iit. fvcii ir ilu> ijiin' well' at onr <li»)iosal, 
 I do nor ihliik tlh« n,»ns> or tlio voiiiitry 
 "Would Itc disposed to im ouraLro any vcrv 
 loii« spc.x'lies. Till" Ih use lia.s had I'tH faiV 
 slinri- of loiijr .sihm.cIk.s thi.>< session, and 
 1Ii(i!<0 limi. iiii'inhei-s wlio li.ave dmie us llie 
 linnoiir to remain hero until tli«. end, and ilio 
 lonjr sulTerlii;r imhlle outs^ide. will, no doulx. 
 feel relieved to 1(> jflveu a res; from purlln- 
 nientar.v s|>e"-h-m ikin>f. j 
 
 The hon. nie:nl)er for York (Mr. Foster) ' 
 ciideriook lo review, from the <)[iiHmition 
 sljuidpolnt. the work of the xes^jon, Doinir 
 «o he eovered very eon.'<lderalile uroiind. 
 some of It. perhatis. somowliat hii.srillv ami 
 neccMsariiy so. hut Ik? opened up a wide 
 rnnjte of tiuesHons, on oh one of wlileli, ir 
 tluie peruilUed. would Invite reply. I desire 
 
 
 I 
 
 now. In the short time at mv dlspo^<al, to 
 
 devote myself ehletly to pres'entlm; to the 
 
 House «.".... facts (,j,| t|>fures hearlntf on the 
 
 ! tinanelal posli .m of the <-()unirv. which I 
 
 am sure, will t,.nd to assist tliose who wish 
 
 : to make an infllltjent ,st;idy of the siil Vvt 
 
 I 1 .-ihall he ohli^ed. therefore, to refer • d ' 
 
 hurriedly to some other (jii<'.«*ilon8 to wuich 
 
 the hon. Kentleman alluil.Hl. and yet ! Avould 
 
 not pass the.se (pie.stlons altogether. 
 
 LIIJBRAL POLICY CARRIED OUT. 
 
 The lion. >r(Mitleinnn quoted the uttcranom 
 of (I number of members of the Idlieral 
 part.v, and ihen proeeeded to elalm that the 
 poliey of ihe (Jovernmeni had not been In all 
 respe(*t8 In aeeord with tliene utteraneea. 
 
 '"iV" ."•• " ""•• n!:-,,--.rr; .Tiij-trjin;; OT 
 
 pariiamentn|"v uovernment knowH tluit the 
 KentUmieMal , Opposition linve always a 
 wider ' han thone on the tJovernineut 
 
 7 
 
c<o/^ c/^:'2..^ 
 
 ' ^ 
 
 not rePun^'onTn'^"'".? «' «overnment do 
 *^l u ?P°° """• gentlemen to the left of 
 
 whldi party may be to power, claim aTlder 
 
 l™el? to',u!"'^'i'''T. ""'^ «P'°'»" ^b^n is 
 Vhf '! "«,'V,'-^Pd by those charged with 
 
 ^ould'no?' :^"''''" "'• Government ; all 1 
 ^n-^v ^ ^ .''^ aurp, ,sing, no matter which 
 party was in power, that hon. gentlemen in 
 
 ?tn„, M *'/.'* rep-esent their own poll- 
 Ical irtens, bu not necessarily the views of 
 the party at large. llien, t Is rho verv 
 essence of the Liberal party that there eh-iM 
 be liberty among Its members „ differ o 
 many points, provided they be united on tb 
 main questions. Look a,t what wfflnd 1^ 
 onr^In*'"''' ^''-^''^- ^'« fl"d hon. Tennemen 
 
 vve nud the hon. leader of the Onnos.itlnti 
 announoing at one moment at rccTta 
 
 ni o^f ZTl ^°'^° '" ^'^'■•^*'"» 'to the op" - 
 ing of the Yukon was a good policy • and so 
 anxious to endorse thnx pollcv that not con 
 
 me. t^'or^' fiV"' '^^ l>«.-li'Hnetfu,V a,moun<e- 
 meiit. or for a newspaper reporter to come 
 
 S,rS-Tn M^ !'""■, "*^ ''^^"^'y /enf for a 
 h!msei7 M ^!]"*r"''.^" ^'^°'» I'e "nbosomed 
 filL •J'"'' declared that, in his Judgment 
 the contT-aet for building a railway to the 
 Yukon was an excellent measure, "and t e 
 contractor.s who had nndertaken tl e wo rk 
 were. perhai>s. the one set of men .n ?h 
 whole nonunion to put through a proj^.t f 
 that chnracier. But a Utile while «fer 
 wards, we (ind him I„ (his House? muW 
 of the hon. member for 
 McLean), entlrelv ciianh'ng 
 
 ^,. ■ declaring that th.> wliole 
 
 tiling wns most ruinous for the cou-.trv 
 
 V\e found on vltnl (luestions ihls session 
 the hon. nuviiber for West York (Mr Uni 
 
 K :Sir''r"''"';y^'^^^ ""''^' ''-'■'-" - 
 
 We f?,''^ '■"',""' '"'" "'l^n-fff an.ther. 
 ue routid tli(> boil. nicmiMT for York (Mr 
 
 Montr ili/'"*-'M't'' '•"^' '-'■•""f •""•'•our 'of 
 ,;,?'"'/;•''• 'f ^^■""'<' be an un....und i.,.||,.v for 
 his (...v,.-nnien( to ,|„ anvihing dlnUlv 
 I nt ev.M'.vihlug shouM be <l. ne Im-o '!, .: 
 S bT Cotutnlssloner... A few minu es ater 
 the hon. member for l{ciulmii,„is (Mr M,.n 
 «eron) ca.ne in ..n,! decJarcnl , vnr, y '," 
 "lociuently as he could, that it was .H.. u 
 J"'«ound to do anything thmugh tl e nL ■ 
 iHJur Commissioners. „ml th^t'^evervttilni; 
 
 the^f i« •^•,!" "'*' '""' '"'<' «H«tJnit future 
 Id h ,v ^'''''-r" «''""•-' <'o"<e into p ^r 
 
 believe, fo- '^^de ru^ \^Wtl\ T'^"' ' 
 this alttln ''rJn'e, Isj^^y.js sent | 
 
 the whip lash 
 Eas.^ York (Afr. 
 his policy and 
 
 i m^al^^^^^^^' ^« ""«» «'v« Wm the 
 
 ; The MLMSTER OP FLNANCE. Ye8 he 
 I deserves a medal for assiduous attendance 
 . He also repeatedly expressed views dWe? 
 
 I ^'.^'■'"".K^^""^ «' bl^ associates ilS 
 
 j to these things to show that in OpposE 
 
 ! there are always somewhat wider differ" 
 
 ences of opinion th^in exist in tte raS 
 
 of the Government. It would not be 
 
 strange If, durtog all the years the Uber iT 
 
 pai-ty sat in Opposition, there had been S 
 
 t'f^^^'^^'es «f opinion among its memb^s 
 
 w n regard to public questions No one 
 
 will say that It Is a fafr criticism to quote 
 
 he utterance of some particular memb^erif 
 
 Sncv"of'''t.^'n""'° ^''^ '''"' ^ause th°e' 
 
 PoJlcy of the Government has not exacilv 
 
 complied with the lines of that quotatio/ 
 
 I Jherefore. the party has been1a?seTus 
 
 dJcHl-ed°\7.."'. "'*^ J'^^'""^ P^'-ty- S'r. ^^as 
 aeciared in a formal way. in the coiiven 
 
 tion which was held In Ottawa in ism' 
 
 cert.iln resolutions were p„S " t,1^' 
 
 were the policy of the Jbera^Sy and b: 
 
 lese the party is to be tried. And I ven 
 
 '".?, t" «'^y that. In the whole history of 
 
 parliamentary government in Oana It tl,e?e 
 
 never was a political party which caS 
 
 ou so fully In so short'^a tlmrth? Sdges 
 
 nni p'^T^ ""'^ ^'^"^ '« the countS By 
 cne of these resolutions we pledged our 
 selves to reform the tariff. The S h "j 
 so ,h,r^r"'^^= it has been reforni;it 
 f W.J '*„ *""'.'• «^'"ie"'en opposite, though 
 they talk about It. though they denounce 
 , have never (hired to come before 
 tils House and place on the lo run s 
 of the House a resolution condemning It 
 
 u^n. ern«''''r"f '^ '« ^'"^ «atl.sfactIoi of 
 
 . . , ^. "'' of the country, while fair- 
 
 uln.led Conservatives from ocean to „min 
 
 ,18 (.ken place h,is proved u> be adapt- 
 <d to the ln.lustri(>s of the country and that 
 under that change Canada has pVos ered as 
 never before. The Liberal party promised ?o 
 n roduce a Uedisiribution Bill^ They have 
 lnl(llb.d that promise ; and if tlaat Kiiy^^s 
 not on the statute-books of the country to- 
 day It is not the fault of the Libera party 
 |ou n,a.v take the whole range of matters 
 jl.Mcussed at the Liberal convention t" 
 ••nya. and you will find that In almost every 
 Instance the ple.lge given by the Liberal 
 party has already been fultilled by t em 
 letter and in spirit. 
 
 YUKON ADMINISTRATION. 
 
 / 
 
 \ 
 
 ngliln ?nr"'f.f''"Il"'""" ^""">' Inferred 
 v.. ' ""^ *''^' tluiusandth time to thn 
 Vukon matter. ,sir, there Is Z mvt of 
 
 "uicu we are nrnndoi- t« a.,..,w.i .. ii__ __„ 
 •^^ tiian our admrn7stV«rior;V''the"VS 
 
t give him tbe 
 
 VCE. Yea, he 
 us attendance 
 views diffei- 
 >tes. I refer 
 In Opposition 
 wider differ- 
 in the rantu 
 ould not lie 
 8 the Liberal 
 ad been some 
 its members 
 us. No one 
 ism to quote 
 ir member of 
 because the 
 not exactly 
 at quotation, 
 false to its 
 
 Pt.v, Sir, -was 
 the conven- 
 wa In 1893, 
 sed. These 
 'arty and by 
 And I ven- 
 i history of 
 anadii, there 
 hlch carried 
 the pJedges 
 country. By 
 >ledged our- 
 e tariff bus 
 1 reforuieil 
 ito, thoujrh 
 y deiiouuce 
 >iiie before 
 le .Foiiruals 
 iemnliig It. 
 Isfactlon of 
 while fair- 
 n to ocean 
 m^fe wliich 
 < Ik' ailapt- 
 y, and that 
 I'ospered as 
 Jromlsod to 
 They have 
 liat Bill Is 
 ?iiiintry to- 
 oral party, 
 of matters 
 Ion at ut- 
 most every 
 le Liberal 
 <y thi'ui in 
 
 r. 
 
 leferrt'd 
 ^ to the 
 I part of 
 nment on 
 the coan- 
 3e Yultou 
 
 district. If hon. gentlemen will but thlnk- 
 ♦K. . " J'"'"*^ fair-minded people outside will 
 think-of the difficulties that had to be et^- 
 countered in the administration of the gov- 
 ernment of that country. I am sure there 
 will be a general belief that the Minister of 
 tlie Interior (Mr. Slfton), who is particularly 
 charged wiUi t)ie responsibilities of govern- 
 ment in that .section of the Dominion, de- 
 serves the highest credit for the manner in 
 Which he has carriiHi on public affairs them 
 It IS easy for us here, thousands of miles 
 away^ to t.olk of things that went wr..n^' 
 out there in the Yukon. It would have been 
 a marvel Indeed, if. with all the disadvan- 
 tages. With all the difficulties of distance thi- 
 absence of railways, telegraphs or other 
 means of communication, vou hnd h'ld a 
 perfect human government in Dawson Citv ' 
 iou .0 not get a perfect human governmon-' 
 even ,n Ottawa, with all the advantages you 
 have wiUi an organized civil ..ervice S i 
 the thousand and one facilities for carry"n2 
 
 dlfflcubre?''tr'"'-, ''''''" ^°" ^■o"^'"'- be 
 d fficultles. the only marvel to mv mind Is 
 
 that so few things oc-nrrod la .Iip Yukon 
 
 district of which the Gov,>rnment or U," 
 
 people have a rlcht to complain I lowever 
 
 n^n\f °"';""'", "l'I'"«'te liai-p on whiu thev 
 call the refusal to Investisate. Sir. tl e th a"^ 
 tiiat greatly troubles those l„.n, gentlen a 
 is. not that we refused to liivestS 1 u 
 lat we did Investigate ami sh .wed ' , a 
 
 made ''n.-r ^""""'''f'"" '-^ the stateme n? 
 made, riiere was an nvestliratlnn nn i., 
 vestl^atlon by n man c.ap..,ble I he hiRhe:'" 
 degree of carrying on an Invesilgal on 7u 
 such a country as .hat. What was the cl-.s" 
 of people with whom he had to de.al V \ 
 raining population, lar.^ely a rough !ud rng- 
 gd people accustomed to the w.ivs f tlu- 
 mining camp, 'ihey w.tut to feel that t el 
 man they are .lealing with Is a man of n 1 - 
 
 sav that Vu} '''''"' '"^^^••'^•^•- I '""''"re ;, 
 say that the .iverage miner In the Yukon ' 
 distrlot would far sooner have an Inv.Vig 
 tlon of any matter In which ho is oo- 
 cern..d b.- such an honest, Indepen lent f^^r- 
 
 J a. known ..r years and wlmm thev had 
 
 judge of the Supreme Court that Oanadi 
 could send out there. What were the h'-- 
 
 as might occur In any country. When 
 
 ^M^!?' "'■" r^" '"■''"»^"' »'» "'^ notice o 
 the Minister of the Interior, they were In 
 
 Ire"St; r' *'r, "•'"'■'^ "•'•>«^>^'rltles 
 are not to l)e considered for a moment in 
 Judging of the administration of tho couli 
 try. I ho Investigation proved that the Min- 
 ister of the Interior has every reason o 
 congratulate himself upon the re^ult^ of h " 
 administration of the Yukon district. There 
 was one pha.se of the subject that was ncit 
 irriflr:!: ,^-!. 'i -«« -t. lnvest?ga?ed 
 good care not to permit us to have au in- 
 
 vestlffatlon. They endeavoured bv everv 
 ins nuation by reference to rumours and 
 fetorles and tell-tale talk, by reference to 
 wluu somebody said on an ocean steamer 
 and what somebody else had whispered 
 on the .^treets of Vancouver, and whatT.me- 
 bodj, else was reported to have said el9.>- 
 ; where-by such means they endeavoured to 
 convey the Impression that the Minister of 
 the It: erior was In some way affeete.l in 
 l.is position as a Minirter of the Crown and 
 ..s a man by the transactions of the Yukon 
 !nf.iT« »<'t when that suggestion was 
 made, the Minister of the Interior and his 
 colleagues on his behalf met It with the de 
 mand : If there Is one man In this I'arlli'- 
 ment of Canada who knows of or bellev-s 
 that lie can establish any facts against the 
 reputation of a MIni.ster of the Crown it 
 him stand up in his pl.-ice and sav that he 
 can establish those things before a com- 
 mitteo of the House, and the committee 
 H mil be granted, an investigation shall take 
 place and Justice shall be done to the full- 
 est degree. But not a member opposite Avas 
 , prepared to make a charge. Thev continued 
 I to suggest, to Insinuate, to whisper, to retail 
 ; what had been said here, there, or elsewhere- 
 'Ut when th.. demand was made, as the 
 hon. Minister had a right to make it. on the 
 lloor of P..rllamcnt. that an Investigation 
 shoul.l take place before his peers, b,.for" 
 a committee of this Mouse, before th'it tr'^- 
 bum.1 Avhlch the principles of Parliament 
 have es ablished as the proper tribunal for 
 the trial of a Minister of the Crown his 
 demand was met by silence on tiie part of 
 hon. gentlemen opposite. And so wi' are 
 able to sum up this Yukon matter, that the 
 eharge,s made alTeete,! „„ member of the 
 (rovornment. and when they wore subjected 
 to an Investigation by an honest, inden.m- 
 jlent. fearless ln.|ulrer. It was fullv estab- 
 lished that In no material matter was there 
 anything wrong In the administration of the 
 \ iikon district. Small irregularities occurreri 
 -I do not pretend to deny It- -but It would 
 be a marvel if such had not lM>eii the ejise 
 Ihe only wonder Is that there were not 
 more. If we wl.sh to be fair, we must ac- 
 knowledge that the Minister of the Interior 
 met his licensers In a fair, hononrabh. and 
 manly way. and that b<,n. g( ntlemen ..pi.o- 
 slte though they were ready to Insinuate 
 and to suggest, fallfnl complet<>lv to estalilish 
 one lota that wc.uld reflect upon the iK.nour 
 of the hon. Minister or k^sen his reputation 
 or usefulness as a Minister of the Crown. 
 
 UROE.VT BXPB>fl)IT(lRBS. 
 
 The hon g.ntleman (Mr. Foster) had much 
 o say n ,o,it money having been spent 
 without due parliamentary authority I 
 tli(»iiKht we had threshe.l that out prettv 
 well. But for the hundredth timn th" "'«" 
 (teullemau told us that in connection wltTi 
 the Initial proceedings of the Yukon tel^- 
 
c 
 
 but a briof reSoe ^nf/i- ,' '^"" "^^^^ 
 
 fim<Ls, ,v SUM. of $1.,.;^ or Sio 5;;, ^'^""'-1 
 suppose iLcro was nbZ„t\7: ^"^^'-^ 
 
 snppo.so It conl.i ho show t ' V <• "^' 
 
 "'X 'Link I, wonld Ic' e,5 ,,7""f'--V ' '"^ i 
 any fads at •ill to n-i,-,. ., . -^ ^" ^'>'^^^' '"i 
 tbo a.tion of iH \r , «r ''i' ^"""'""fon of 
 
 <1>" fa.t that ,,. H ''"'■'J'"'' "'i«IIouso 
 
 "•it!.. .If anv Arr," >.;•„'' ""'!'^ '"••V la^v. 
 
 as the Minlstor of P hiio -n^ ^ " Connoil, 
 Into a I.ar«afn wlP,2 v^,7"''"^"^'- <^"t<''-<-rf 
 oon,n,ltt..,l Voav *•'',£) '? ''''"''*''y ^^•■•'« 
 th." .Minister of PniTii; w* ''"•' "^ '""^h "« 
 
 Mr. Charl,>so„!'to ;'^s:i\S)%"'^''^^r' ^" 
 can eonipaiiv f or i h,;,,": " ' /^ "° Aniori- 
 bonr of Port iVov- • i " '!?'" '" "»-^ ^^ar- 
 «lia<Iow of aiVthor iv for-'',,"'*'''" ^'"« """ •'' 
 lion, ffentlonan to f if J''*' P""'^'"" '^e 
 over tlu. who e ra. I ^ „/ '^°" '^""' *" 'oo'^ 
 anair.s an.l select n,„M,"'"' ^'•'•liamentar.v 
 f^nunitiin^, of H e /' .^,''-^''?^*''"''i'- o-- a 
 
 timt one item i thV J^''^''. ""^ «"t'">i'lfv. 
 «ele<..e(l aho; a 1 o her' vit^' T"'"'' l'^' 
 condemned the Hon ^entlenmi for"?:'' ""^ 
 bave accepted his own ,, ea th„5 u ' ' ^" 
 "rKent matter. / p ".-e 1 nv/. i '.' ^""^ "" 
 tl'nt. In the IIkV of l\Z .''""'' '" '« «'»>• 
 w.M.1.1 he strange indeed If ,,:";'"'""""• " 
 innn shonld coine here n nil ^V'"°- '^^'^^'e- 
 jK'nm the MiniHtor of PtS Wn..,"'/"' •^""■ 
 I'c made nn arrnnKemen nof^I?,',''' ':^<'""«« 
 8loMm.shl„ conu.a.frnot\v ,^''^, " ''"■^''^° 
 Jo do work in a harbour th.t ..,.?'" ^''''sons 
 bnve been delnve! fnr n l^ '"'*-''" Pos.sll.lv 
 
 Tanced to a ntil. i nfnfi„i ^^'-'*^^^<^ he nd- 
 $12,(KX), In order to starf n?"'"*^ *^"-*^> «'' 
 stnictionofa eWniliinol??? "'"^ ^"i^- 
 «8 communion ion wl,i, J^nf ^ ".'"" ""'" «'^e 
 of Canada. " "'"^ ^'8'n°t section 
 
 TENDER AND CONTRACT. 
 
 work "^^by "day ^iKr.Tow'S f^l' /'"''"^ 
 pea edly stated in t)>il n ' ^^ ' "ave re- 
 
 '••snlt of vour ffivi„^"f,?..t ''''7^ *^"* t»i« 
 
 .von ffive tile woriAnt; f infract is that 
 
 i <o .l.f it sa s S /lina'tr''""*^."''' "We 
 
 iserlou«^^^„y„Jr^5,S'tJ'?brSb£^ 
 
 ci" wh r^ii?''!^; Juf rrr ""^' '^•rcumstr- 
 
 tcnder and contract «v«f <li^Parture from the 
 
 i«. that i^m nT'S^'Je mn.,?/,"'J''^'«° 
 nilffht be advanced L ,i..!r, '^ "'^ '"terest 
 
 -vorsepoli.v.'''t3 '••■','•>•• ' ■"'^•"'•■■•^'^ t"^^ 
 said l)efore. it" Is a s nin , ' ,''""'^' ''"^ ^ '"i^« 
 ■-.'f.M' princi, lo totuiVi ? I '/.'■'"'•'Pi*'- 't Is a 
 vanta-'es 'r • " "'"'^■•■"I'luiir some di.sad- 
 
 of the I i nn, ™," ""-' ""entlon 
 "c«n said wi iV re;.;r''°r;„ '''\'V ''"^ 
 ^vorl< by the AIinls(..P >.• n ,• "'" *''''"*^ Of 
 ""t >cnde, ' an c ,. ct v'"', ^^'"'""'^ ^^'""■ 
 "S a result of (1, ,f ^^ ^'" "?U"'niber. where 
 
 one'ce,u''mm-e" h„, '^ ^Ll P''""''« f»"'^" 
 for anvtiiino- fiw.1 "'"^ ""'' boncst price 
 
 not. as'a heorv t Z"nl l^T' ^'^^ther or 
 tbe work I v con/rno 'T^^" *" ^'"''^ ^one 
 
 lcan.s towards the te den .„<! .^"''»^meit 
 tern. But let it Lf ,,i '^"'' contract sys- 
 
 WEST HURON AND MANITOBA. 
 
 iiuX cw„!;rca;ra"n,rr, '"/" /'^•^ ^-t 
 
 although that comm I ttl .'*'""?'' to show, 
 '.- ^.cr mat there had been groVs wron;; 
 
TRACT. 
 
 had very much 
 >cts, and doing 
 '. as I have re- 
 3. I am disposed 
 ' public moneys, 
 I rule, and sub- 
 '08, to do public 
 contract. I be- 
 arge extent in- 
 uway with (he 
 ct Is a perfect 
 net not infre- 
 
 band.s of Irre- 
 le, people who, 
 the n-ork. pev 
 ipahle and re- 
 'I'cDs that the 
 'ntracf is that 
 lio are not able 
 ' result Is very 
 he public ser- 
 ai ''iroumstan- 
 'ure from the 
 1(1 my opinion 
 "bile interest 
 
 the -work by 
 lire of -eftinj; 
 t and capable 
 '••k. I fio not 
 1 ••!>' a iirinci- 
 tender and 
 ailvo.-ate the 
 'le, as I have 
 eiple. it Is a 
 
 ^iiiiie (lisad- 
 iT point to 
 lio attention 
 wliat has 
 le doing of 
 Works wlth- 
 nstaiice has 
 nbiT, where. 
 Canada paid 
 lonest price 
 Whether or 
 ' have done 
 T. Is fairly 
 1 Judgment 
 infract sys- 
 
 for a mo- 
 ni tliats.vs- 
 '^orks there 
 f that the 
 
 )flA. 
 
 the West 
 k to show, 
 y made a 
 ■ nnd that 
 'ough but 
 re Which 
 
 that, the 
 
 1 artf^ 0.^*. 
 
 In the Wes*^ Huron district by the offlclals, 
 becau.se It is only with the offlclals that we 
 have to deal. It Is rather a curious fact that 
 the hon. gentlemen Interested In West Huron 
 did not avail themselve.i of the privileges 
 that were open to them In the courts. It 
 has been establi.-shed before this committee 
 that all the racts which they have now 
 brought to die notice of this committee were 
 in their possession before the time had ex- 
 pired foi- presenting a petition. It l.s a verv 
 strange thing, and not without its .signili- 
 cance that the hon. gentlemen who are now 
 80 much interested in West Huron, did not 
 ava'l themselves of the machinery of the 
 courts. However that may be, they have 
 seen flt to neglect the courts and to brim: 
 tl-e maiter before this House. I say that if 
 t'.ie right hon. the Prime Minister had refused 
 (hat Investigation, when It was demanded, 
 he ooul.1 have done so with very much jus 
 
 of the committee dissented from that find- 
 ing. But still the fact remains— for I was 
 present, as u member of the Public .Accounts 
 foinuiif ee and lie.ird most of the investiga- 
 tion—I say that the evidence ])roduced be- 
 fore tiia*- committer was most conclusive .is 
 to the riis.'alities that took place in rlie dis- 
 trict of Micdonald. I say that, with tliat 
 knowledge boforv^ them, with all thi'se facts 
 before them, produced by themselves, tlie 
 hon. ^entli'ineu ojipo-site have spent a very 
 coiisideraliie [lart of the last two yoars in 
 trying to condemn the (Joveriinieiit for aj)- 
 Iilyimr a portion of public iiKniey ftr the 
 ( xposiire and |)tiiiislmient of the persons con- 
 ccrni'd in iliat rascality. 
 
 THE V.VCATINO OF CRRT.VIN' SEATS. 
 
 The hon. gentleman had much to say to- 
 day regarding the action of certain Minis- 
 
 s Avrongs 
 
 t CO on his side. He could have pointed to I ters in connection with elections to this 
 the fact thiit they had the courts open to | House at the beginning of the present Par- 
 thein, and they had neglected them. But so ' liament. .My hon. friend the Minister of 
 anxious was the right hon. the Prime Minis- \ Railways and Canals, he said, had acttiallv 
 ter to remove the sliadow of doubt from any I endeavoured to obtain a vaeancv through 
 action on the part of the Government, or on the retirement of an hon. member who was 
 the part of the otllcinls In connection with | elected on the other side. The hon. member 
 West Huron, that he immediately assented I also stated tliat when I. in as.sumin;,' the 
 to the proposition, and so we have had the! position to wiiich I had tlie honour of beiin; 
 Investigation. chosen, as .i Minister of the Crown, required 
 
 Curlou.sly enough, however. Mr. Speaker. I to ot)tain a seat In this House I did so bv 
 while these gentlemen are declaring that | Irallickini: in iniblic? otliccs, and had given 
 great wrongs had been done in West Huron. : ;in hnn. member of tills House the promise 
 and that these wrongs should be punislied. of a .ludgeslilp in order to obtain my sent 
 •hey liav:' devoted a large part of two ses- • Sir, there is not tlu' sliadow of foundation 
 slons to the work of covering up the wrong- for the statement. If we are both siiared 'o 
 doing that occurred In the province of Mani- e,iiiic l)a<'k here again. I challenge the hon 
 toba In connection with the ballot-box stuf- member to brimr the matter iii) liefore any 
 flng In that district. For a long time last < omiiiittee of this House, and If he can show 
 session, and for a considerable time this ses- tliat I ever gave anv r^eison a promise of a 
 slott. the hon. gentlemen opposite have been .liidgeship to obtain" seat in this House 
 trying their best to cover up the wromrs i I wid not iiold tliat -; for a single day. 
 that took iilnce there, and to condemn tiie ^ But suppose that was t ,rrect. 
 Government because the Government ap- i 
 
 plied public moneys to the punishment of ^ Mr. FOSTER. There was a wicked 
 the wrong-doers. Tiiat matter has been partner, 
 fully Investigated by the committee, and here 
 
 Is the report which the committee has pre- '''''' MINISTER OF FINANCE. No. there 
 sented to the House on the Manitoba case. '"'"^ °" wicked partner. The hon. gentleman 
 I will only quote a single passage, and it is •'"•'* ''"*! "'"^e to do with wicked" partners 
 wortli placing on record : than I have. But suppose It were true, sup- 
 
 system of tampering with the ballots In said ""•^' opposite be. to assail an hon. member 
 
 election, In said district, and that In tho opinion "^ *'''^ House on that ground ? Hoes he for- 
 
 ot your committee the clrnimstancea referred to B^'t that he sat in the Ministry with a Mlnls- 
 
 amply Justllied the expinidlturp of the sums dls- ter, who subsequently became Prime Mlnls- 
 
 ^vi^l^H-f ",'* ?K'""'°K!f°'; f"*^ '."? Oovernment ter. who obtained a seat in this House bv In- 
 
 u? ,?'^>"'l^ '" ^^^ ""'''''' Interest in the course .luclnL' a member to take n nine., nn' tli,. 
 
 which It has pursued in regard thereto. uiKint, a mi moor ro take a piai e on the 
 
 s uirrcio. bench In order that he might obtain his 
 
 Mr. FOSTER. Will the hon. gentleman seat ? Does he forget that an hon. meralier 
 
 read the report of the minority committee ? of a different political party from his own 
 
 The MTNlSTFTt OF i.nMAVPT? T n^. "'"*' "DProafhed and Induced to resign his 
 
 rnn-i.ncr n Jn„i„ L^f\, '^^^^J^' ^ ^^ Seat for the gentleman who was then ap- 
 
 readlng a single sentence from one report. „ointed to be MinlBtPr of .Tn«tie« •> ^ 
 
 I am wiiimg at ouoe lo assuaie— I do not * " " ' 
 
 want to detain the House by reading It-but Mr. BERGERON, That Is very hard upon 
 
 I am willing at once to say that the minority , the hon. member for Antigonlsh.' 
 
I make no eomnl fn, /^^'Kn*?*! IHs seat, 
 perfect r gift Sent^nf .'''"' = "« ^'i" « 
 
 for Aiuii;„„isi'h! ''./''*-', ^"'"- "'er"l>er 
 riffht to;.. opt m w^ a perf«.t 
 
 the l)eiicli Hl,,.n 1. 7'"»"'''>'>1<' position on 
 
 Offerer! "V',o"S 'Zt fhe" f"""" "^""«'f^" 
 opposite, if lie l"n,.u lb," ''"°- *?«":l«aan 
 position to p, roae m ^ f'' '''"** ""* la a ; 
 ask l,i,n ,0 ' cat? , 'ifj, -"'']■ '««"'•'"• to 
 tlor. on ti.e I emii LT^ an.l take a p„si- 
 In ilie mind of t w. 'h ' ' °' ^^''^'^ "''it fact 
 
 tiireto.£[-"La 'mi^hf';"''^''?"- ' '^'^■ 
 If lie had not refer -p^f^ ^"^'' ^^^'^'^ ^^'«'r 
 
 public olflces on if p^^,,""^/;r"';'j'".^ '" 
 meut. ' '" ' "f '"« UoFern- 
 
 FINANCIAL QUESTION'S. 
 
 sarily one ,u."t i', n • ""-'"."»• au<l neoes- 
 I Imve noli "d l' b\.,?; i'" " ,?'''•'' ^•"P''"-^'- 
 «'<■ l>.'.r. 01- on „.v h ■'! '''^I'"«if'on on 
 and of the r , • ."s „ 1 '^ '" ^'"^ "ouse. 
 Hieirs, and it is , In f ?/''''" ^•'" "''' "•'^''^ of 
 the expenditures ?tl?Pw ■""''','!'' ^''^''^^''' "" 
 of ihe vea r , . f.i ni '''"'■' "" f'"' estimates 
 dies Ld evVrvthin ; T'"''"'*'' ™""'-''-^- »""«!- 
 i" com ariso r' ^/'',^'; ""'^ P'^f''".'^' them 
 
 =;?i;;'\^r; rs■,£?"»- 
 ft has Deen do e inlhTl^ ^^^'^7' "P''"- B"t i 
 gentlemen. Ti^ ' ' ^i"""^ ^'•^' ^''"^^ 1">". ' 
 press outs de It s w^l.r" """« >'•>' t'^<" ^ 
 the sum of .ion.etl hJ?«i to remember that 
 for wl.lch the' "a "^„ o , V^'""' .'faT.OOO.OOO, 
 carried on the iiffV ,-, nf fi, ' Government 
 was not a/e total ;T,no''M T''^'^^ ^^ ^«»«, 
 '"'t only the s m of hL''^''''' expenditure. 
 consolidate.l'fm" ra°.o ,7- '',^P^"Jlture on 
 st.'uul.v (inotinL' 1!.'.. J ,, "-^ are con- 
 fear .:., !^:iS"^.,;i; ''„;-^g^-£^ for that 
 nearly .$37,000 0()0 i,nV n ' '•'''^^^'t "*^'as 
 
 'rava«aiice ,, <i • J)'"" ''"^' ^"Ik of ex- 
 
 'he^e'ltem; to"e her I'nd'T 'm" "P "" 
 comparison aH7 , !f . ' P''''^e the total in 
 
 o()o,o'oo'rie;s \n'i8..r'','7''^r "'' ^3^'- 
 
 House in IShi v<Xs nf ' "'."""'f'ed to this 
 eapital. lnco„ e .?n^ smm"i '■'""', ^'''"'-I'-fers, I 
 witinff .i<r.;L-,oo^)0(" Ye^^ '"'^"''''■•^- 'i-J^'-e- 
 Posite and t ',!,.'<■ ,1 '"'"• gentlemen op- 
 
 have a irrcHt roni ."'''^^es. Hon. genilenieu 
 fi.^ *' J^ "*^^' *o say about Jncrensp<i in 
 the expenditure, but they have uiven tip 
 
 ; In the money voted tor rinV^S ^ ^'.'y.'^'* 
 Wharfs and Ptn>i;c^n,ndi *] ^'^^y ' S'not 
 these bon. sentlemen tnko fil ^ "*" 
 
 «i (vwi ""^""*-e . iney ehallensed a votn nr 
 .>i,(MX) for .mother wharf • timT. !7i n ^ 
 
 vote of S!'i(v»A t^ ""■"': • they challenijed a 
 
 'Of tbaf iLtter n„t tl'^"'". ""V ^*^<^ "^''''^^ 
 
 iSllif'SssI 
 
 • imountlnir to Si^'jrum ^..^ '"opnety of Items 
 
 "ure of %toi'iTzi:: LTiS"""'- 
 
 are not likely to be accentPHiA; f,'^^""eiaeu 
 as <>eouomists. accepted by the public 
 
 °™^"rTsr„T;»„™j,-o™.Mv 
 
 again they themselvn; ,'T' ««'V« and 
 
total rotes and 
 •DHii-ent, inoliid- 
 Hon. gentleniL'ii 
 out increases la 
 liave given the 
 ig In what they 
 ave coDStau'tly 
 ure, -with the 
 )HltTy items to 
 liey never nms- 
 chaJlenge it by 
 lion, genileineii 
 are oxponrling 
 f we are lavish 
 way su!>slclies. 
 . why Jo not 
 
 the responsl- 
 heir position ? 
 left tlie items 
 ■ynted, to call 
 • theni and to 
 »tes. They do 
 . 'hi'y have 
 1 we are at 
 leu they say 
 visldy sqiian- 
 
 laid on the 
 ave ventured 
 $32,0(X). Thev 
 f $8,000 for a 
 e ; they cbal- 
 wharf in an- 
 -A a vote of 
 cliallenjred a 
 ith inimlsrra- 
 te of .5ir).000 
 't to IIjlll & 
 lot by virtue 
 he HoiLsi! to 
 lie tliat hon. 
 1 established 
 ' the merits 
 be attention 
 to this, that 
 ie speeches, 
 ernraent for 
 moiH», when 
 e with the 
 y were not 
 •position by 
 ig it on the 
 am eorrect 
 e joun-nals 
 ' only chal- 
 ty of items 
 •il expend i- 
 gontlemen 
 Uie public 
 
 'ONOMy 
 
 lie sound- 
 se palt'-y 
 P total ag- 
 giiin and 
 iadc- j[,ro- 
 
 posals Involving the country in addition- 
 al millions of expenditure. When the 
 hon. Minister of Agriculture (Mr. Kisher) 
 brought down liberal and generous esti- 
 mates, he was assailed by the hon. leader 
 of the Opposition (Sir Charles Tupper) who 
 said that instead of $20,000 in one Item, he 
 ought to vote $100,000. The hon. member 
 for West Yorii (Mr. Wallace) said a day or 
 two ago that the hon. Minister of Tra^le and 
 Commerce (Sir Richard Cartwright) ought 
 to have brought down much larger appro- 
 priations to extend the trade cf the coun- 
 try. 
 
 Mr. FOSTER. Hear, hear. 
 
 Mr. W^\LLACE. What I said was, Mr. 
 Spealier, that instead of $175,000 for tlie 
 Paris Exposition that money couM have 
 been more prudenUy and proi>erIy used, or 
 a portion of it, by the hon. Minister of Trade 
 and Commerce in promoting the Interests of 
 trade. 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. Well, 1 
 will accept the hon. gentleman's statement, 
 The hon. gentleman attacked the vote for 
 the Paris Exposition, but he had not tlie 
 courage to challenge it by a division of the 
 House. 
 
 Mr. WALLACE. Is tliat the only way to 
 challenge a vote ? 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. That is 
 the way my hon. friend cballeuged a vote 
 of $.S,0<X) in connection with immigration 
 expenses. 
 
 Mr. WALLACE. Cannot I challenge a 
 vote by my voice, and did I not do so ? 
 
 The MINISTER OP FINANC ' So, Mr. 
 Spealier, the bon. gentleman t nnot chal- 
 lenge a vote by his voice and then shlrlc the 
 resiK)nsibllity of placing a motion on record 
 because I tell him if he had made that 
 motion the hon. gentlemen around him 
 would not have supported it, and he would 
 have been alone in this House In voting for 
 It. 
 
 Mr. WALLACE. The hon. gentleman Is 
 not a good prophet. 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. I thhik 
 the hon. gentleman will (ind that I am right. 
 Wiien tiie hon. gentleman attempts to 
 assail this Government for placing $175,000 
 in the Estimates for the Paris Exposition, It 
 Is another Indication of the nagging politics 
 of that hon. gentleman, but he is not pre- 
 pared to challenge the vote and let us see 
 how the House stands on the nne.^tinn at5d 
 whether he has the support of his party In 
 condemning this Government for co-operat- 
 ing In the Paris Exposition. 
 
 -Mr. WALLACE. I will have to take the 
 opportunity of correcting the hon. gentleman 
 again. 'ITie hon. gentleman made a state- 
 ment of which he could not positively know 
 the truth. 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. My hon. 
 friend can accept either horn of the dilemma 
 that he ple.ases. His oppo.sltiou to the 
 Paris Exhibition Is either his individual 
 opinion, and, therefore, only entitled to the 
 respect which is due to that of one hon. 
 member, or it is the policy of his party, be- 
 cau.so my hon. friend claims, and perhaps 
 with some justice, to lie one of the leaders 
 of his party, and if that he the case we must 
 hold it respou-slble for his utterances. The 
 hon. gentleman had much to say on another 
 point. He asked us : Why do you not give 
 : us a fast. Atlantic line ? There Is much to be 
 said in favour of a fast Atlantic line, but a 
 ' fast Atlantic line, according to the estimates 
 of hon. gentlemen themselves, must mean an 
 expen.liture of three-auarters of a million 
 per year. Thus again their complaint 
 is not of our lack of econoun. but 
 It is that we do not expend .'i>7.')<».(M10 
 more. ,V leading member In the Opposition 
 ranks rose, when we proposed to vote $25,- 
 000 for a public building In one of the cities 
 of the Dominion, not to condemn It, but to 
 complain that we had not brought down a 
 vote of $100,000 or .$200,000. These, and I 
 have only given a few Instances, are some of 
 the many evidences of wonomy that we 
 have received from hon. gentlemen opposite. 
 Nor Is that all. Do we forget tliat after 
 opposing the Government's pro])osnl of last 
 session for building a railway to the Yukon 
 district, although that propo.sal would not 
 liave cost the country a penny, the leader 
 of the Opposition gravely ro.se in this House 
 this session, and proposed tliat we sliould 
 spend millions of dollars of tlie public money 
 to build that very railway, together with 
 200 miles more down to Kitimat Arm ? The 
 hon. gentlemen when brought face to ''ace 
 with the expenditures of this Government 
 could only find In the whole ran-e of the 
 $.-)0.0»«»,000 odd, ^:i-2.(m) which they were 
 prepared to challenge; because tuv hon. 
 friend from West York (Mr. Wallace) did 
 not take a vote on the appropriation for the 
 Pans Exhibition. Yet hon. gentlemen were 
 willing to throw across the House sugges- 
 tions which. If we had adopted them, would 
 have led the country into an expenditure of 
 many millions more than we proposed. 
 
 Mr. FOSTER. Did we not offer many 
 suggestions for economies In other votes ? 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. I decline 
 to have any regard for the hon. gentleman's 
 suggost,!in?s tor eoonomy whea }^c is afraid 
 to follow them with a division in the House. 
 What the hon. gentleman wants to do Is to 
 pose In this House and before the country 
 

 dear friends, becauseldlSVot oppT/ he^! 
 votes for your part of the countV?; I oS 
 occupied time ia the House to talk against 
 them ; I did not vote against them, as 1 .id- 
 co Int ry"'^ ^° ''*'' '^'"'''"^ ''uprovements for the 
 
 Mr. FOSTER. It was 
 Kingston (Mr. Britton). 
 
 tne member for 
 
 RAILWAY SUBSIDIES. 
 
 was the 
 railway 
 I have 
 
 The MIMSTEU OF FINANCE. \o it 
 was not the member for ffingston. it was 
 some hon. gentlemen opposite who complain- 
 ed that we were not applying that policy to 
 tile western portions of the Dominion Tbe 
 U-stiniates show that where the necos.sities 
 arise in the central and western portions of 
 the Dominion, they are met ; but because 
 
 The hon. gentleman said this 
 banner year in tlie matter of 
 bonusoa. it was not be-anse no 
 
 rnn V ;.^ ^^^'^ ^^"^ ''°°- S^'ntl'''"iin proposed P*<""e sections of the country by nature r^ 
 0^ LT^^T ^" "'^' -^'""""^ "'' if» 170,- h"'re'noro than other sectioiii that irel; 
 hfn' H, » w *=' ^"'oPos^'l lli'-'se, he comes «ra «''iy the requirements should be deaied" 
 ixtrava^.^r'Th"'!*^ '^'''^""'' "^'^^ ^'^ ^^«U" ^^'"^^"e ^^ ^^^ Brunswick should say 
 Lint rff .L^*" 'r- eeuUemansays that » "^ : 'You do not build canals in New 
 w'^P', nf t % '■"J'l^'^J'^ '"-e 'mnoces.sary, I rimswick ; why should they have o.a^ 
 ^i,?^^!*^'"- "e »>u«t have known, and ••'? ^ Ontario?" That would bl con 
 
 If o,. i,i: T\ "''- ""Jsc nave icnown, and ",'" '" wuiario .' " Th£ 
 ln« ro . ■'' ^^.'^ servant of the public f^ered rather absurd. It so LanDens 
 motion fJ' f'^r ^'"^"'■'^ ^'^'-^ "''"«« ^^'th a tbat the conditions of the counfr/'^a^e 
 whL^ hi. "■'^*', ''"^ '"'y '■^''^^'•ly bonuJ«uch that a certain class of public works 
 u}tl''\^^J^^'''"^''i «« unnecessary. But the \^ i^ecded in one section ,,.nd another c°asl 
 
 ■n another section ; and what the Govern- 
 ment should do Is to see that these different 
 ."ectious are provided for according to their 
 needs, and that the public money is fairly 
 imd suitably expended. ^ 
 
 PUBLIC BUILDIXGS. 
 
 hon gentleman did not do it. He knows 
 
 Ih^l '?,,'''°"''^ """^ •^^'■^ f« do it. He knows 
 that railways are not unnecessary, but great 
 factors in the development of the country 
 Bit he says some hon. gentlemen in (Jie 
 1.1 heral party opposed the bonusing of rail- 
 ways. Whether the bonusing of local rail- 
 ways was a wise policy to enter on In Ism 
 Is a fa r matter of debate ; but after that 
 policy has been pursued for many years 
 and many millions have been voted for raU- 1 
 ways in many sections of the country are 
 we to be told that It Is now to stop ^V ^^ 
 
 ha^been ^T^'n^'T^ }^ '"^'"^ *^«t as this 
 Las been the fixed policy of the country 
 
 buldin/';.n- '"'''^ scattered your millions in 
 hulldmg railways in many sections of the 
 country, it is only fair that other sections 
 plSonsT''^^ """ '''''' o' thes/appr 
 
 WHARFS AND OTHKR PUBLIC WORKS. 
 
 The hon. j^eutieman had much to s;iy 
 with regard to the tew policv of voti "• 
 money for the building of wharfs TiSsj^ 
 ^ot a new policy. This Government Is but 
 carrying out the policy which former Gov- 
 miments had followed for years. The hon 
 goutlenian has charged us with adopting th- 
 new policy of building wharfs on Lake ir 
 John. Why, Sir, the hon. gentleman's own 
 
 and in many other parts of the country 
 years before this Government came into 
 xZZ-Jl\'^ l>on. gentleman is not above 
 tuiiig to raise a little sectional f.?eling bv 
 
 on^hf tn'ill »>•«, policy of building wlmrfs 
 ought to be condemned because It happens 
 
 .Imr" "P.^""^ '^^o''^ '» o°« V>m of the Do 
 ."^io", "'"° another. That was an at- 
 tempt to appeal to sectionalism which was 
 
 ihe hon gentleman had something to say 
 about public buildings. He could not approve 
 of t.lie,buildingofa small structure at Victo- 
 navllle, Avhlch he says has only 2.200 inhabi- 
 tants. After the hon. gentleman has suc- 
 ceeded in having a handsome building in 
 every Tory town in Canada, he is goin^ o 
 mark the Liberal towns of the countrv bv 
 thin'^ ^f"^''', °^ P"J'"^' buildings. I do" not 
 
 1.; ! "IJ^ "" P'^'^y ^^""^ ^""'(l commend 
 itself to the people of this countrv The 
 hon. gentleman has said that in this matter 
 he reforined In his later years. He did not 
 do anything of the sort. One of the last 
 acts of the hon. gentleman, before going 
 out of office, was to place before this House 
 iin appropriation of .$8,000 for a public build- 
 ing In Marysvllle, a little village in hi^omi 
 county of York. Vlctorlavllle, he says h^ 
 only 2,200 people. Marysvllle had only 900 
 people, and the bon. gentleman brought 
 down an appropriation for a public building 
 for that town, not in the olden time when 
 the.v were wicked, but In the last year of 
 his Government. 1896. In those Estimates 
 which did not get through Parliament. Does 
 *iie hon. gentleman deny It ? 
 
 Mr. FOSTER. Yes. 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. The hon. 
 ffontlomnn Her '»= thai- Vir- m> i 
 priatlon ?~ ^* ^"^ ^^"^^ "° "PP^<^ 
 
itlemen oppo- 
 member for 
 
 CE. No, it 
 ton. It was 
 iio complain- 
 lat policy to 
 Qiniou. Tbe 
 ! necessities 
 
 portions of 
 )ut because 
 ' nature re- 
 1 that a rea- 
 
 be denied? 
 
 should say 
 Us in New 
 
 have can- 
 d be con- 
 } bappens 
 )untry are 
 ibllc works 
 other class 
 le Govern- 
 ie different 
 Qg to their 
 y is fairly 
 
 ing to say 
 )t approve 
 ? at Victo- 
 
 00 Inbabi- 
 has suc- 
 
 iiildinjf m 
 
 1 going o 
 )untry by 
 I do not 
 commend 
 ry. The 
 is matter 
 i did not 
 
 the last 
 re going 
 Is House 
 >llc build- 
 
 hla OWTl 
 
 lays, has 
 only 900 
 
 brought 
 building 
 3e when 
 
 year of 
 stlmates 
 It. Does 
 
 'he hon. 
 appro- 
 
 Mr. FOSTER If the hoD. genUeman 
 wm allow me, I will teU him ju« what i 
 
 The MINISTEU OF FINANCE. If the 
 
 ho . genUeman wishos to contradict me I 
 
 SS 1i)ffl. '^'^ • '^P'^" "" appropriation of 
 |8.00() for a public building in Marysvllle ? 
 
 mem. ^^^•"^^^^'- ^ ••"" '^^^i'^^S the state- 
 
 The MINISTEU OF FINANCE. Is the 
 
 ,m\rfr-I'T"lM'"^'"*^ ^^^^ statement is; 
 t^nH • ^ ^"' °"t 8'"e way to the hou ! 
 gentleman unless he denies my statement | 
 
 Mr. FORTEU. The hou. gentleman daie ' 
 rot give w.'iy. He knows tlmt be is misre 
 prest^ntlng the fact. ^ 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. If there is 
 any man vithiu the sound of my voice who 
 wants the information, hero are the e«7l 
 3uates ; and If the item is not in the Esti- 
 mates Which were brought down by he 
 hon. gentleman, then I am wrong, and if 
 be will call my attention to the matter nex 
 session, I will publicly apologize. 
 
 Mr. BERGERON. 
 
 next session. 
 
 We will give it to you 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. I shall 
 be here next session ; I do not know whe- 
 ther ;tiy hou. friend will be her- or not So 
 I might toliow my hon. friend through ail 
 the moods and tenses of his speech. I am 
 reminded that there was a town cal'le 
 Cayuga, with only 500 people, and that the 
 hou. genUemau had a large sum of monev 
 .•oted for a public building there l have 
 not tlie pleasure of knowing the place • and 
 as I did not want to make references to the 
 other provinces. I preferred to cite caSes in 
 the maritime provinces and in the hon. gen- 
 t eman's own county : and his own actions 
 show that the ground he now takes is iiot 
 sincerely and honestly taken. 
 
 A CROWING TIME. 
 
 With regard to tlie public expenditure 
 I ha^-e shown tbat in this growing 
 time there is need for largo exp^.di 
 tures on the part of the pe^J o if 
 Canada. The hon, gentleman tallcs of t lie 
 total expenditure of years ago and the total 
 expenditure now. He takes no account ol" 
 the growth tbat has taken place n Canada 
 during these years. I venture to savl"t is 
 
 ^lo^rr^-^'"^'''^'""-'^"^-'^'"'- 
 
 „*" which I oelieve most thoughtful ob- 
 ^erve^s wdl agre^^-that Canada has made 
 
 [ "ore progn^s In the last tbree vears thau U 
 
 , had done in any ven previous vears t was 
 neces.sarv that we should meet lie^e gro^ 
 ;ng .'onditions with growing exp enditimr- 
 
 I ;•'{;-, volume of the expemSe is "rbe 
 judged in proportion to the burden i im! 
 poses on the people. What Is the fac^? 
 
 I hough we have had an Increa-sed exn^.n: 
 
 I -hture. we have had a reduction of taxat^ ,n 
 AAe present to tho country tho proud record 
 of a Government which has met ail the 
 
 ;:'; «,'^V""'^ "f a great and growing time 
 
 hich bas .spent money liberally, hon. gen Ue^ 
 
 net opposite .say lavishly, on useful puliTc 
 
 works for the development of the ro n t^ • 
 
 u!:: L'V^'" '^ "'''" ^-^ """^t to tL?f,"^^rt [ t 
 
 these large expenditures for good purposes 
 
 for f,^rrP»"'«>/'y t"e very unusual K 
 for the hon. gentleman of a reducUon in the 
 
 h^ "f. t"^'"fi"n- Tlie hon. gentleman quib: 
 
 led about the rate of reduction. ..t the 
 Y'ry figun.s ho submitted to the House ten 
 day recogni««<l tlie fact that there was a re^ 
 duction in the rate of ta.xatlon. if you take 
 out the increases which have been ma le on 
 some articles of luxury, and look at il ' re 
 dnction of taxation on the great list of ar- 
 ticles which the mas.ses of the poop e need 
 ■ nd consume, you will flnd th.at there bas 
 
 Sir 'In r,"."™''"'* reduction of taxation. 
 
 ^r, in this Hou.se. not long ago. I nre- 
 
 Tl^t f.;Vr"w*-"' ''.^"^^''°- '^*^'» "y 'tern. 
 \ lint the reductions in tjixaUon were, com- 
 paring the old and the new taritf. and what 
 wa.s going to be the result at the nex st.S 
 of the neu tariff, and the result now tint 
 tne tariff has come to its fulness-— 
 
 Mr. DAVIN. 
 
 the farmers.. 
 
 Is discrlminaUon against 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. There 
 IS no (iLsr-nmlnation against the farmers 
 
 rate S? Hv' r ^" "^f ''' ^"^'^ redS the 
 nfir u ! '-^-i*'""- and at the same time have 
 met ail theso^ great charges on the country 
 
 Hon. gentlemen opposite have tried to 
 alarm the country on the question of the 
 public debt. They talk constixnt"v al^fu 
 
 frZ ^-n"'l'"'^7''^? '° the public debt 
 tha too! ♦ '^"^vn to the year 1890. covering 
 Ih! ^K^ *^''™ °' ^^^ Conservative regime 
 the tofcU increase of debt was .?118.135 353 
 and the average Increase I'^i^.i^o.^iod. 
 
 Mr. FOSTER. Put it all in " Hansard." 
 
 The MINISTER OF FINANCE. Very 
 good : I shall adopt the boa. memljcr's sug- 
 gestlon. * 
 
10 
 
 Statement oi Average Increase of Net Debt of Canada. 
 
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 llC'clMlMfs lint iIiwimI 
 
 Iho not losiilt \v;is this. In the oiRhteon 
 yoai-s undor Coiiscrviitivt. rule tho avonieo 
 Inomiso in onr jniMif debt was !i;(!..-t;;{,(»r5 
 
 per yoar. hi (.tir tlirc'o ywir.s tlio avcm-t' 
 lui'i-caso wa.s .f^.l.SD.IiL'l. 
 
 Mr. BKKOKUOX. Walt until w 
 uoxt j-oar. 
 
 ■o .'••oc yon 
 
 111." A.I.MS riOlt OF P'lN.WCE. Tho huu. 
 
 KoiitloMian has h.vn crying tliat ont for llio 
 last iliivc yojii-s. Tlio hon. Icinlor (if tho 
 <)l)l»(Wiii(in, in tliu lir.st sos.sici. said tli-it 
 wo woro KoinK to r-liinw ii.to li.vi.sh o.xtr'a- 
 va}ra..co ;iii(l croato onorinDtis (Iciiciis Hut 
 liLsload (if (h'licits, w,- liavc liandsonio sijr 
 I.lnso.s. Wo hav.. cavho.l on ilic pohll,. k,.!-. 
 vloo niid Kioiit iml.lic w(okx witli a ro- 
 diicod laxailon :ui(l tli<. smMllcsi i.(.|>c(.|,ii|,i,> 
 
 addliidn 10 tho pn) ddii. I siatod sovoral 
 
 nioiilhs auo tliat we wnnld c.mo ont of tho 
 yoar, oIosIuk: on .Jnno ;{(», tS!»!). with an 
 Incroa.so of (h-ht of only aliouf .>;1,7()()(|(h» 
 118 n«ain.st an avi'muo of .i!ii,.'(X>.(M)() jii 
 ovof.v .voar nndor il... adn.inlsin.tlou of 
 fton jroniloinon op,iusiic. TluniKh the i 
 
 p™t „„ „p,„,.xi,a(o siatotncnt t(;- 
 aay. I can «,iy that (lu- «laioinont I made, 
 
 nnn.^ly tl,,,, „,• Incn.iso of d. l.t uu, id h 
 bj- .$l,-dH.,.HK.. wlilcli was ,-,.«ardod by ho 
 
 Honso as ,.,ni, |y Hatlsfaciorv. wl 1 ho 
 
 ronnd w.ii within tho luarlc. I ventui^ i 
 
 »■ •■■■>■■■> „i, tiio iiihie ucil Bussion. mo Willi 
 
 have tlio .satisfaotory exliihit of having,' w 
 
 'i"il tlKsso woat pid)ilc works with a re- 
 
 -"<■•'< Ira 10 ol^- taxation and an addition to 
 
 lio inihji,. d..l,t, of. not !i;(i,.-><K),.HM», but vorv 
 
 littlo nu)i-.> tli.'in ,'i;i,(KMMMK). ' 
 
 If time would porniit I wonld liko to call 
 
 I tiie attention of tho Ilon^o to tho .juostion 
 
 of tiio i),.r capita r.ite. 
 
 .Mr D.WIN. Miiy ] a^k a (piestion y Do 
 
 nfidorst.ind tlio hon. uonth'man to say tiiat 
 
 he has inoroascd iti,. d,.ht by only iji'l.tXH),- 
 
 ("HI , 
 
 Tho .AllNI.STKU OF FI\.\N(n:, I say 
 that Iho iiioioa.so of dolit dnriiif; ilu> y(M'r 
 .lii-<t ciosod. for wiiicli tlio nc-oinils aro" not 
 absolutely oomploto, bnt which aro lu a eom- 
 d lion tliat oii.ablos nie to spoak with appro- 
 -Miiiato a.vnracy, iimtoad of boiin.- .fti !,.-,( m.iKHt 
 !is it was nndor hon. Kviiiloiucn oiipo.slto,' 
 will bo a little nioro than .■jil.iMHi.tHM). l Hav 
 that, atid r venture to say that It is a state- 
 nionl wliioli will have a vorv Htronu oUVct 
 on tlio pnbllo mind of (;anada, when the 
 jiooplo ronionibor the heavy uharjjres we have 
 had to boar and the groat i)ubllc works 
 wo have oarrii'd on. 
 
 My ationiion lia,'* been oallo,! to the vote 
 lor Marysvlllo biilhling in u^^^ yp„r jgQ_r, 
 ^r,.m). I Niiid ^H,(HH). I have not tho later 
 Ksilniai(>s. but my improssiou \s that the 
 vote was Increased to ifS.OOtJ. 
 
 Mr. JtKIMJKUON. How much was spent V 
 
A\ei-i*gp. 
 
 •>..">< i;i,or.j 
 
 . IMI 'jl'l 
 
 liavinj; tiir- 
 wltli a rt'- 
 inMitlon to 
 •. but very 
 
 like to (•all 
 10 (]ii(',stion 
 
 ■itlon y Do 
 ;o say tliiit 
 
 I r ha„ rUe th„'' voi LTV'"''''"''''"'-'- ■' 
 this and sho«- that t,o ov .1 ^ '" «" "'f" 
 
 We had $7.30 P "r t„d Tn" S '"^"^ ""«■ ' 
 
 closed the totni ""* ycnr lu,t 
 
 •ibour S7 77 ■,„ .. "''I"'"'1't"re will hi 
 
 ^^sury than' wa« ZT '"";'"^' """ ^ o 
 files,, two oxocMtf,, "i ^'"•' o'lt- eave om 
 ""I And tha 't lo 'v''""'''''''''^"'''''^- ■•''<l v.i 
 approximate I i?^, •"'•,".'"'■'•"•« "f s to ' 
 the „.„al e4.1;:iil ;,-;';'• I'' , lower^ -tial 
 nient for a lon^ period n/f. ^^ '"'« Govern- 
 --0 ^eept^'aS,- t;n._ I do^not pro- 
 
 Phi c- morality, , po ^ fa It,. "'''.'"''^ "P"» 
 Surely. th« hoi, •^onulJ,''^!}' »"<• honour, 
 frely. with th.. reS orTl!^ ","' '"'''•'''"«•■ 
 "■hleh he was a men hi. ">« .^tmistry of 
 . fc-ova or the eventiTn^^.'.'K""'-''-''- ^^"h the 
 "'Inent flirtire i < wm ''''"*' ^« ^^'i** a pro. 
 
 '"'""•• '""nilUy r if'V ?,, '^'- P',""t "f their 
 h'>n. Keniienian sat Tn ,, ^,^.^•' honour. The 
 ""h a party w, J,/"' Ministry, and noted 
 "•••.V pursued a , C "'.i' /V'""."''' "^ '^ ^•«" 
 "^ '•O'Tt.ptlon. Wv'thev^ ;'"""'•• « "°"'•^• 
 
 p"" -nnde to thes„^'„ !.';'' '•-ferenoe ha.s 
 the.s, .,en were ,, u. " ,. i V^''^'' ■ <^''' '"'t 
 PnnlsJied. Thev « ,! '" ''■"*■'• they were 
 ''"" Will retnal^ o,rof'?m"''*' f.otn'^odwf 
 «"t, when thev ,?.„,,.# °"''^*-' '' l""»-' fltue 
 
 "ive .,ome reason t ink '^ "''"■"'"■^' 'V" 
 »« the position la whlell"they"s^;;i;/''''""'"^ 
 
 [;;--z. ^'^»" ia;^ ^r "i-"- .n^%h!; cr „'^' in'i..""- "her^::^:':!!:^. «- 
 
 !•:. I say 
 r the ye.ir 
 its are not 
 ' In a coiu- 
 illh appro- 
 .'j!r.,r>(»o.(Mi(t. 
 I opposite. 
 '0. I Hay 
 is a st.Mto- 
 ■ouK olloot 
 when the 
 H we have 
 lie Works 
 
 ) the vott' 
 
 ear 1805, 
 
 1 the later 
 
 that the 
 
 as spent