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Oyes in ?mi fWd NVrPh VI ' J-^ ? ^ i it S t|3' fit? jP: FOR DRUGGISTS A SPECIALTY k ;J- CH A LOITER, ugguu A / N, WP t^ V, BAPTISM. A OPEN" LETTERS TO '" ■ / Rev. D. D. CURRIE. Methodist Minister, of Moncton, N. B,, AND Rev. a. W. NICOLSON, Editor of the " Wealeyan," Halifax, N. S. OCCASIONED BY A CHAKGE MADE AG VI\ST THE FOl.Ar.^u BY THE '^ BIBLE INDEX" OF TOl NTO OF PAI ' ' SIFYING CERTAIN GREEK LEXICONS V WITH AN APPENDIX. By REV. JOHN BROWN, PABADISE, A.XXAPOHS CO., X. s. SAINT JOHN, N. B.: PBINTKD AT ''CHBISTIA^ VISITOK" OFFICK, 85 GEimALX STBEET 1878, PREFACE. i dreaded by sne of 8omewharco Sove^ialit fs no? th^f7/r'^' T"^ ^ ^« '^PP«''^'- *« be ca««e Ae dp«rcrj By u ea?no8tW ^^^^^ ^°* ''iV"^ P^'**®' ^^^ '"'- liveredtothesaiAts-^weSveVnTr^^^^^^^ "'f- ^^'"^ «"«« ^e- as well as doing sometSr^wLH" f/J J !!:r.!i^' .!^. ^i"^?^ injunction even than controversy and tlmtirfnYl^^'** T^ *^i"V' ^^"«'» »« ^"rse and permitted, wl^out protesf o^ molo«H/^on""^r^•■•'^**'*^' ^"^'^^d' that won the battle of the ProL«fa,S «! f^ "l'- " )^''*" controversy some men hold M^ere corrLt ?t1f nKh ^wf "'*^*^.^ " "'« ^'«^« «'at any reformation at all rFor^hesS^^ of nL'^n^^ never to have had malaria. The one wjUIcr in Iwiir^^.1 rather than the pestilent al you are never sX The Sther^^^^^^^^ ^'TT "« "' silence, and son butitissoon%vertd1i"cUrf^^^^^^^^^ ^'^'^^ for a little sea- maL* ^^fhif ttVeleritt^nrcas; 'l'^^^'^ ?\«"r "^« ^"^^ »>-« *" mandedit; and not ^l^me «lm L ''^ '^^'''t ^** ^^^^ **> deal de- Carrie hold8Tffe?ent vfews f?ori,i^ Z^F^'''^' H^""'^ ^^^ Re^- Mr. for he holds that e?ery min has a StL V/i^'?^" ""i ^^P*^«™- ""' what he believes to be the ruthan§h«.„^''^^*^ ''"^ contend for cerely and honestl? does so however far lieTav dff?^ f^" ^^^ T' he also holds thatio man h'ara riSit to res^t^t^ fnll^^j^ ^"* sion, and misrepresentation to sustain hiltw ^^^^^^oot^' pei-ver- seeks help from sucli 8oiirrp« if o/.u. ? }^^.^^' ^^ ^^^n a man port must bVs^dly de?t"tS of t J tZl^^l" '^^^'^ ^« «««J^« ^o sup- andhimself of tfuLut^sstd^l'^^^^^ ^'^"^"^ «^ «^«°A ScSXef ^ba^b^^n Sf^etS s^aSlXi^eliT'd aTL^^^H^^^ V^ pamphlet it will be shewn thq,? bo ha« kI!^ ' ?,? ^* ,*b® ®^*^ ^f this tion.*^ This, and the pli sFstenc v^ff whirb if "k*^ ?f misrepresenta. will account for the severe stvle h?wlXh fi '^ ^as stuck to his work, ten. The writer onirKstVeSn^su?^^^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^"^ ^'"<^ tend to check the circiilE of I book whi^K ® '^•'" '" ^^'^^ measure hood with it wherever it ff^««nH«Il J^*'^ "^^^'^^ ^'"^^^ and false- author from sTSr conduct tntb«fnf^ ^- «««»« extent to prevent its tions, falsifications, o? per^ereion7 ho wfl ^!5!!''*' ^'' ™i«representa- then, and not till thm P^'^®^^'^"^' ^^ will do so very promptly,- Paradise, August 20th, 1878. J. BROWN. ^Ot fit y /^t(:^^{ I explanation i«y 18 greatly IcHirable, yet nl to a more [uestions dig- B not one of appear to be eace, but be- th once de- B injunction unity of the ..Ryle(Epi8- ich is worse ed, allowed, controversy B views that o have had o have gone o this very y but a ben- ^estilential silence, and a little sea- riter has to to deal de- le Rev. Mr. iptism: no, on tend for n who sin- n him : but od, pei-ver- tien a man eks to sup- ' strength, version of ad of this ■epresenta- > his work, been writ- e measure and false- irevent its ay write, one sylla- icisra. If epresenta- omptly,— 3WN. Baptismal Controversy. i Dear Editor:* A short time since I sent the following letter to Rev D D Curne: ■ • . PAFtADisE, Annapolis Co., N. S., April 19, 1878. Dear Sir and Brother: rn!^i"j/^7 ^"T '"^**,'' ""^M yP'''' attention to an extract from the T(v ronto Bible Index in the Christinn Vmtor of Nov. 28th, 1877? It has reference to page 12 of your CatecMim of Bapthm, where vou auote from a number of Greek lexiccms, and givi (among othei^)''Trinfie^ ItZ^ ""^^T^ ^^ *''^'^'?'^- "^'"^ ^'"t^^ «^y« tJ^at not one o them - rKnH l/wf ,^"^«^">"g of t^ubsolutely not one. He also says that _ Cole and Dwight are not lexicographers at all." Now, brother this 18 what I woulcf like to know, if youVould favour me with a rep w" Is there anjr ground for such a denial? If these lexicographers give sprinkle ' as one meaning of baptixo, I will (though late) write to the Imor and deny what this writer affirms ; and also to the Bible LJex. There is evidently a misunderstanding somewhere. By replving to this you will confer a favour on ' *«P'y»iig lo Yours very truly, John Brown, Baptist Minister. On May 11th I received a note from Mr. Currie acknowl'edff- mg the receipt of my letter, and in reply thereto he says : " ft has seemed to me advisable that I should answer your enquir- ies in a somewhat elaborate way, in a series of open lettei5 in the Weslevan at Halifax," etc. On opening the Wesleyan of May 11th I found my letter to Mr. Currie published under the heading "Open Letters on Baptism," with an attempt to answer it, in which among other things Mr. C. says : « In a few open letters addressed to you I will endeavour to shew some of the errors of the Baptist Creed," et I sat down and wrote a reply to Mr. C. and sent it to the ly'tsleyan, supposing that as these letters were addressed to me, I should of course have the privilege of replying in the same paper. The Editor however refused to publish it, which leads me to address, throu^rh the Messenger, with your permission, Mr. Editor, the following 1 OPEN LETTER TO THE EDITOE OF THE " WE8LEYAN." Ukv. i\m: 1 1. ,^ti ,n (.1 baptiHin with a vonomblu ininiKtur <.f tho I'n.Hhvt.M-iim ( jnnch w tho rrrxhyfrrinn W'itur s-in which paner full 1 Kt w W K'tV r ''''^'^ ;»"'. »■'•'>'" ^vhich paper 1 thlnLlrarsir yufmay isl w 1 !? "^ '="'•!' ='y-'i"«l vvhc-n the E.litcr <,f that pap n- LsI'dth- r.mtiov.rsy tol... .liMcmtinued after a certain time iu\ hr 1 r..sb.Mc;nan brother sent his communications to y<.u/y u Ve-v tK.n. 1 tclt at the time that voti mited unjustly. I was therefore nro- pare.1 lor a second refusal; alth.,u.d. this time it appJare to n e J tm ni.Me reasonable that y..u shouUr publish my re^ ies o Mr Sir Je .1 ;. , (lieadhilly bin. Vou say: "Ordinarily, any one niV- XJ'^.;'''J"V'' *''^^"^"'''^"^ apai,erwould be entitled to tL piivileMe ol replying; but we inserted Mr. Currie's articles not as controversy, but as the correspondence of a Methodist ministei" Y.u ay msev It as " controversy " or "correspondence," v'Viioh y «ome difhculty, I fear, to convince even the readers of the Wesln/aa that you are acting justly in the matter. Y,»u say a^ain : "Mr Urm vn ttiH. IJn.lei the present circumstances I certainly should not- I feel m rcill! es-M;;r;'' •"' ^ '■'^"' '-^"'tsonably ask that theVs.sc«.v.. pubhsl my leplies, but I can assure you, dear s r, that if Mr Currie had id- dressed a pri>^te letter to me! and I ha.l publishe.l t at letter i Sie ^W,/r/er orr*.s/yt«(riiiii ill liberty was r sir. you may of that pajHtr am time, and you, you vt!iy s(h1 the iuHor- tlnuoforo pro- vd to me even to Mr. Currie, 3 for not doina ■, any one ail- ititled to the rti(!leH, not as nister." Vou " which you H)U will liave tlie Weslcyda : "Mr. Brown . Currie' K let- ild not; I feel imijer publish urrie had ad- letter in the ■ one so hiffhly lies of letters ueh letters, — lave inserted ve us the key )l)en our coi- 11, from your as you fear elievers' bap- NEVEB do;'' inture to say 1 Visitor, did llowiuf? their t will have to I as surely as of error and own by the un of Right- IE. It needs in reply to OPEN LETTERS ON BAPTISM. No. I. Rkv. D. I). CuiiRiE, Mktiiodiht Mi.vister: Dear nrothe}\ — It \\ •< with some siir|>ris(' that I uhscrvcil my lottiT to you of A\n'\\ llMh \n the Wrx/ri/mi of May Utli. conci'rniiiuj |iaij;i' I'J of your Catcchisiu. I have no olijt'otion to your thus publishing it, iind I hojto yon will trive a Kjx^CMly ana satiNfactory answer. 1 did liopi- that you would at oiicf have rt'fut('^ ^hat your I was about to say tha^t oiue tjort /"'"ff'^^^^^ ^''^'^^"led." are beaten, but that woulTsfvrn^^^^ "pt know when they however, that I had Wun 4^ tlt"'^-f '^^'^""^'^ ' ^ ^i" «ay «re till this little s^S^hC'l;^:!'^^^^^^^ hold' cessary to continue, I feel tli-it it v ,i i ^'''° ^^""^ ^^ ne- raze that citadel, and tr4ew th.^l .• ^ very easy thing to . ^'"i^:''^^ *'''«"^ *?»"- Yon niion> o^ '^ interior material indeed ?e, plunge; to humble, over- 1 one's self, to im to the verb re given as the the meaning nged the order )re you stand following : hich you say Srreek lexicog- definition is ground that r the word in ord we have ?sion of the [IS given by ie quotes as [e Index be 20, but that d as a defi- it turn ? In itly obliged, Bspondence, uto Greek: '," "I wash y are very ind no diffi. ^lish-Greek y that your ■ assailed." when they : I will say ed to hold >iuk it ne- " thing to I'oiu foun- who, you f bantizfK I presume the words are these : " Dip, sink, plunge, immerse, irabathe, whelm, iramerge, submerge.'' Now, my good friend Currie, let me ask you how wide is the difference between these meanings ? Do they not all mean what Baptists always mean, whatever term they use, when they speak of baptism, namely, to put under water? It is superfluous to mention the taking out again, as every one knows this must be done of ne- cessity ; the very nature of the ordinance demands it, as well as the laws of God and man. You also say Dr. Conant in his work gives sixty-three quo- tations from classic Greek authors, and translates the word in question " immerse ten times, ichelm forty-five times, and over- whelm eight times;" adding, "ten times it is immerse against fifty-three times not immerse." Well, now, really this is split- ting hairs very finely indeed. Is not the same idea conveyed in the three cases, namely, to cover or cause to be covered with water'? You say Alexander Campbell gives twenty-four quotntions in which the word haptizo occurs ; but he renders it sink ten times, overwhelm ten times, and overflow once ; ad- ding, " Not in one instance does he render it c?i>." What of that? I ask, is not the same idea again conveyed, that of covering or causing to be covered with water? And even if there be some apparent difference in the definitions above given, they are not to be compared with the inconsistencies of our Pedobaptist brethren, M'ho say it means to dip, and to pour, and to sprinkle, and to wash? Where pears the widest difference, gentle brother? And who are modt consistent and united in their testimony? Does it not suggest Matt. vii. 4; " Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye ; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye " ? You ask : " May not a pen be dipped in ink a thousand times without being once immersed therein ? " Yes, certainly ; but dipping a pen in ink for the purpose of writing, and dip- })ing a person in water for the purpose of baptizing him, are quite different matters ; and your question, as well as that about the ship plunging amid the waves, is just a little play with words. I pray you, Bro. C, if you have any substantial arguments, bring them along, and use only such as you have confidence in the power of. Let us, just for argument's sake, suppose that you and I are taking a walk along the Petitcodiac River on a hot day, and I say to vou : « Brother Currie, let us take a dip in the river ; it will refresh us." » Good for you," you reply ; " you Baptists are always suggestmg something or other for our benefit." Well, we go down, and you are soon undressed and in the water; you take a good plunge ; but on looking round to see I ill I * - If -you shout out, ^^bLwCiTo^^^^^^^ ^^r^hiad, fJ'onght you came clown for f b h A u m' T" "^^ *« ? I ■•q'lj, " so I (lid, and am I not htf • ^^/ '^^''^^ ^^"ovv,'' I '"vself in this pool vCdonTe ""^'>" * ^O" see me din -"se that youU'^Jl'/JiVTf^riirm' ^^ip means that n J my forehead it amounts t^ the same thin^ wu ' °^* «P""kle Penrn the ink you don't dl, it all do vo F^ ^^'" ^^^ ^^P '-^ m your book, page 6, you'teach t at^n L'"m^^^ ^"^^^ ^^^'^^t ^^'ff/ie means to .sprwi/e an 1 thnf I . • ^^? ^^"^'^^^ ritual to \'ieans sprinkle as well so vin .. r^^'"" "^'^^"^ "^^'^"^ to dip! <^^tally and classi '.Hy'.''' 'w^ t woukl '"^''^ ''^ .^^^^ -«^- ^yiy you would be disposed to savtw ''^>^, ^^'^^^e^- C.? ;lHl not know the meaning of the shnDlesti''^^' '^'\'^' J^'^^"^ ^^ look you very straightlvtn tl,p f^^L ^ f ^^^rds ; when I should ;m;o David. ' J3ut S> L^s^^^tf VoJ, ^'^ ^^,\'' ^^•'^^^^^^» ^^'^^^d •i« pen and ink matter, let me 'ouo^fe . 7 '''"^ i" '^'''^'^ i» <-f le : " What should we sav of fL Z''"^' "^^'^^ ^'''^^^ !>'•• ••'lege that the English word £ Ik?" foreigner who should -on''7%.yo^,,,,,?,;,, ^^^^^^^^^^ the expres- '^^n^h' that they di},ped him • n! 1 T ' ^*'''' "^^^ necessarily IS dipped * 4 /* 'lT'A'Vrj/W'^''^\lien onlyap^^^^^^^ ^^rgmng that the word, though it sic^ it« '1^' • ^ ^"^ Christians applied when only a ,,:art iZpVd^:^^^^^^^^^^ may be niierem water may be Sither snrinSl? '"'"'^ ^•^^'^"^^' '^"^1 'mtil I shall be thon,ughh' imme',- S^i ^ or poured uj>on me tliat "if I bold that inu„cM;s^Sr[s b f "'"^ ''''''^ >''^'^ ^^^^^1 ".versed by sprinkling or po'^.^^ fX ^ ^ tl^^re be "im- sion without either dippil. "Sun:^ '^'V^^ ^? «" "^""<^^- ike to pay you a visit, as I he-ir v f ?: '';'''.'^*^ ^'^'^"^ ^""^h I tear I shall not be able ; but ii you Z.HIT^/Y^''^'^^'^''^^^^ ?*ee me, I should be most h-nmv t "^"^ ^^''^ ^^^" ^'oming to m our beautiful ri^^?'ai;'^ .^^I,^? ,^f ^""' ^^^f. ^^ ^''^I'ti^^e '^you l^now of course what t'^a ^^^ ■%''?'', '^T'^'<^ ''''''^'^- You wdi*. iiutto return to the "tub." * 4 ifJ knoes dippinsr on my forehead, you up to? I flear fellow," I you see me dip > means that non- ■J>(^, or sprinkle ^hen you dip a j you know that Vlosaic ritual to :h means to dip, ? a bath sacer- say brother C? either joking or ; whenlshuuld at Nathan said ly in earnest in ords from Dr. er who should in the ex])res- not necessarily '■ finds from the len only a part e perverse in- t some of the this objection * objection all ing at least a < w-ell the fol- 5nd Christians aerse may be own i)ractice, iting pouring s season you i-ecline, and t't'd u]>on me 'ii"l you add there be "im- 3e an immer- Id very much ke coming to ba])tize you nodel. You ^ tlie "tub." i 9 You say in one part of your letter " Special attention sliould be given to definitions in our search after truth." Keep that remark before you all the way, it will save a good deal of writ- ing- If you look at the definition of immerse, you will fin a fluid below the surface, dipping, plunging, overwhelming." Yv)u must be- ware, Bro. C, or you will commit yourself, and your friends will n 10 Yours truly, Paradise, May 14, 1878. *^* ^^own. LETTER No. 2. Rev. D. D. Curbie : ^^^^^^^^^^ N. S., May 24th, 1878. ^a^Mfy'ltr:^^^^^^^^ - the Wes. Visitor a4m tha^t the rLaninl'o'f IZ^^^"" '"'' ^^''^'''^^ ehism is not correct and that'irhafsee^iedl?" '"r>"''Cate. to you that respectable Ba]>tist per-odS'honl l'"''^ '''*''"«^ neons an assertion. I understand H^? ''^ '"'''^^ '« ^^'^o- co not quote ce.^O.^..;W™^^ "not one statement was inacl^in tJ p' P . , "''^' ^^'' "'^^>^ ^^^^^ without the most positive aiumLp^hf-!'^"'"^. «* ^'^P^ism points under clisciLion, \^rc aWh^M ^'? P^^^^ions, oi the bas seemed extremely snin-e to me'"^^^^^^ Impregnable," -j^ letters you have cleai-ed you?seif o^tL if * '" "^'^^"^" «^ ^^^r slightest degi-ee that the positfon. 1 ' ^•'"-^' ^^' ^'^^^" i" the bare assertion that they a'eso If '>> """^'''^"^ beyond the ^^'hy do you not shew if to be so? *^^,f f «^'t^«» be erroneous, ten lexicons you name on pat?" 12 a^d iq'7 ^"^^ J^" ^^'^^^ ^^^ and give under the word fe^.o In? • ""^ ^T' ^^^^echism, lexicons) the words Zven as definitt ^ ^'?^? '''''"^^^">^ ^^'^"^ the Inst I said I had seen 0^";' Lex^oon ^^ \'f "^f ""^•^- I" "^7 «l>nnkle; you say he doll Sbce tCl tt'^ '^' T ^'^^ Schleusner, Sclireveliim „„l H "i ■ ''"™ *«'" those of give it; yo\, 4 they d" "'' '"'' ""'"""' "^ '^'"' The writer in the Tndex when he siirf n.., . i cons (those named in your Catechitn wl °"~^,'^'^ "^""^ '«■''- Hon uf l„mtizo, he also s.?l^,l "a „ ^ ^ives sj)rinkle as a defini- I make itiith'thetfi, Won ot raid 'Te' •""''"," i"' "™ " '^fore my eyes," .leceivod by such statet ts° i/b Lif" o?tl '""?' "!"' '«■>»- •"."-y to give this nite^'-thl;; e^^'LsTa^ tly^^SH^ s the Pedo. If, neaning of the a few, and bv J. Brown. r 24th, 1878. J in the Wes- and Christian fi in your Gate- emely strange make so erro- o say that you you say that \ of Baptism itions, on the ?gnable," "it ither of your shewn in the e, beyond the be erroneous, y to take the r Catechism, illy from the 'iiig- In my did not give een those of her of these f those lexi- e as a defini- this denial ; e my eyes," that is now ?rity of the Him whom Podobaptist attention." 11 If this writer be incorrect, why has not some one shewn him to be so ? Surely in the Methodist Church there are men enough who are able to test tlie assertion, yet I do not know that any such attempt has been made. You must be very friendless in- deed, if you have been so much wronged that no one will -"en- ture a word in your defence. And if you have not been wrong- ed, and what the Index says be correct, viz : " that yon falsify the testimony of every lexicon from which you quote," to which you by your silence appear to plead guilty; and if others know- ing this, publish and circulate your Catechism, are not you and they alike chargeable with upholding as true what has been proved to be false? I hope for your own honor, and that of the denomination to which you belong, that you will lose no more time before you make it clear that the ten you name are lexicographers, and that they give the meaning of baptize wdiich you say they do. You say that " different editions of lexicons of the same author give different meanings" of the word, and that in some instances different copies of the same edition give different meanings." This seems to me to be your only refuge, and I shall be glad for your sake (I shall indeed) if it transpire that the lexicons you quote from, and give the definition of baptizo^ which you say they do, are different editions from those which the writer in the Index had before him. This may be done very easily. I shall write to the Index to-day, and ask what editions the writer had, and you can either privately or through the Wes- leyan^ name your editions, and we can soon settle the matter. I don't think you can object to this proposal. If however, it should come to pass that you have falsified those lexicons, and they, instead oi^w'm^ sprinkle or pour as meanings oibaptizo, give immerse or some equivalent word, we then have ivhat you pronounce " the best Greek lexicons" giving what Baptists hold as the meaning of the word in question, and not what Pedobap- tists contend for as its meaning. Take care. Brother Currie, that you do not pull down your house on your own head. You also make the following statments: "Lexicogra))hers and publishers, it appears, stnnige though it may be, desire to make money out of the sales of their books. * * * Baptists will not patronize those publishers whose lexicons give the offensive words " pour upon" and " sprinkle" as meanings of baptize. "Lexicons therefore have been so changed as to suit the scruples of Bai)tist preachers, and thus secure a wider mar- ket." In reply I beg to say : 1. That Baptists only shew their good sense in not buying such lexicons as give such meanings of baptizo; for no lexicon worth 12 I'"bli.hc.,-,, anl I^i™ J;,];;:^r nd "r^?," \''^' l"'rt of the B;>l.ti.st preachers" "'' '' '" '"" "'« ^-^^'Mes of «i?io "ace:?dif;™to y:ut;r,,:i'L'%rr^^ "f *«^'-. huy their lexicons S(f rnther-^ n f, .?' Baptists will not books, thev wTthhoW i e true n .. ,'■ "7 ^ »""'' ""'" f'"' 'heir give it a -false ,;;i LV ^:'" :™«,'; \'^'^r^''f' '"'^ money!! '^ ^ ^ ^"^ -baptists and make 4. Wliat a set of ro^-ues you make these men out to ho an.tn^.;1lK:.r J," "" "^»™'^'^ "' '"'%- men saw th J o'{:er'^i;:tSio'« r "f Sfl '™'^ "' '* ''«'" "'« ^ am afraid you liave mt vv?u„^u'i , . '*''"• '" " ''■'I' ' •™<1 1 lose both yours the™ wif„r„n,'-''' ',"7'""'' Vou will But w/re vou serinn« ,vi """« '^'f"" •"'■■"kI npon. DoyonreaHyCean OS V haT,S'i h'"""?' .""'«" ''"'^''^x^ theologians ^ould de^eS tt ea d t r;,he'-f''''P'l''''''^ ""'J eribe them ? Brother <",,„;„ h-l, '^ ''''*''""'' you des- you so„,ethi„s: Yo, know Ihnt!,!!?'-™™'' / ''"'' »» '<>» against y„„, ,,nd inste d ofTecentini "'""™ ^' '"'"J' "»«« »« *«/.«feo;you brand bo h pAn,hef„r,™ ■'''"'"= '.''"^S'™ <>* honest men, because thev Xe ,1,^ i '•^^""^offroi'liers as dis- cord, and not whaf^o^'ThiS^hey; Xt ^''"i »/ /'-' 1 ween, another mystery is solv^rl no!!'' i ,^ >• ^"<^ ^^^re, ^yrinkle^^ as a mLning of ?' ^±"^^^ ^^ }' /«" give they flo not give that ratanino- bnf t K ^"f '"^ ^^''^ ^^^^^^^ns ; ought to, but do noJ, yT)u o fi fo . tff^ """^^ '^' ''"'^ ^^^ ^^^^^ nearly correct, Bro. C^? You say ' Tho'l ^- ""' '^'^' ^^^'^"^ ]>ortant, are human ProductiZ Tt^.'.f'L 1 ''''?^"^ **^«»gh im- are to be cautiously receyed" Vo, ^^J'/T'^ *^^'"' ""^''^nces they define daptizJ- If hot^vpT . '^^'^ ^'■'''*^ ^^^^^^^^ "^^en lexicons for the meanim s of G^-I^l' ?""u' -'^ ^^ ^^^ ^Jreek to go ? And if trey "are to b« 1'' '^'° ^'^^"''^ '^^"^ ^^ meaneth the question Lnlfri";^^^^^ received," what you ascertain the classical iSanln" &?''?.'''"'•" ^^^^ *^« the ansu-er, " By the best leSl ofthe'rr T'" '^ ^"^^ "^ which you try to ^e^tL ^5d J^ sS^LSJT^- •^i-. 13 1, any more than iieanings of cheo y all Greek lexi- prinkle" as defi- tlie pa It of the the scruj)Ie8 of n^8 of baptizoy aj)tists will not 0(1 sale for their tain word, and ;ists and make out to be. ntelligent men s a little dog I a trap; and I ^hich you will to stand u])on. lose remarks? ographers and hion you des- f want to tell any note are ^ they give of aphers as dis- iuiing of that e. And here, t is you give ; the lexicons ; > and as they >t that jn-etty s, though im- eir utterances ulded " when to the Greek here are we eived," what ", " How do Mizor' and < language." iito the mire f your letter i you in the least. It would be bad enough to tamper with one, but what shall be said of the man who treats ti:n in that way, and manufactures two of them ? All you say, quoting from the Graves-Ditzler debate, to shew that Baptists manipulati'd Liddell and Scott's Lexicon to suit their ])urp()se, is shattei'td to a thousand fragments by Dr. Graves' I'^'p'}' to iJr. Dit/.k-r (who made the charge) in pages 5'27-519 of the same book. It is too long to transcribe here, and surely you could not have read that when you wrote letter number two, or if you had, you ap])ear to have ignored, or convenient! forgotten it. So the ])oints drawn therefrom are quite pointless. May I suggest to you the wisdom of not quotinjx from that debate, for I can quote also, and as Dr. Graves so com])letely extinguished Dr. Ditzler ; so also could my quotations from him exliiiguish youi's from Dr. D. You misrepresent the Index and Visitor when you ask me if I do not " see that it is very easy for l^aptists to say that they have Liddell and Scott, and all the great scholars, and a host of others besides, who give the rendering you (Baptists) need for J«^9^i20 and not one of whom, '• ahsolutehj not oxe' gives sprinkle or pour." That is not what those ])aper8 said, and you ought to know it : what they said was, that not one of the lexicons you name in your Catechism gives that meaning. You speak of the Baptist Denomination as issuing a mutilated edition of the English Bible, because they translated the word baptizo by immerse. If King James' translators had done their duty they would have done the same thing. They knew well the meaning of the word, otherwise why do Ave tiiul that in the Episcopal prayer book now in use (revised 1(500) that the Priest is to dip the child in the water, and while doing so, say, I baptize thee, etc. ? Nay, nay, my good brother, the Bible Union's translation of that word is a most faithful one, and the translators thereof were unfettered in their work, and therefore did their duty. King James' translators were fettered, and therefore instead of translating the word by dip or immerse, by which they would have offended the King, or by sjyrinkle, by which they would have offended their conscience — they transferred the word in- stead of translating it. The Bible Union translated the Avord instead of transferring it. If because of this you pronounce their Bible a mutilated one, I ask you : Is the Se})tuagint a mutilated edition ottke Hebrew Scriptures because the seventy 14 ■: 1 : }j Jl M i i h 14,1 "•"OflJows translated the Ilebr '-^>'^/>^^V~o/an.ltheEVliHh word taf)al in 2 Ki >■':■"" it, " n, am hZ,ZhZ^ly-''l'^", '■'^'''Si0"» paper tlin»t,anl,ybei,,i,l,a|,tiJ^, ';,i'.*'-'' " man becomes a ha«I N^|„.„ve ,veTl„. ' '' "'""'' '" r"'"- catechism you labor not been itmers'ec/'"" "" ''"">" ''■■'« ^<^<"> baptised «-ho has neeessitiiof o;r:r3"'r:;!,'''''t' '^^'»™^ "''■•'I"-'! to the tK«.-take the will'tW the dS "'T'' «° ^-ribe' that'a"sst letter you say that publishers a ll l„ ■ ^°™'" Vm of your tlie scruples of Bantis ,, ' „ i '""'^Sraphersdid it to"su U college and academy ^ SS "wT ^^''^"'^V^ "^^ - every lexicons that do not*^ favour snHnklS^^^ '^'°"^? "«^ mutilated f»I as mutilated Bibles tWti"" ^H^ouring be as |»lenti then it appears: ''^'' '^''^"'^ immersion?" From tWs ^'^^^er^i:^'^ and academy in pouring. Good for both (folle^e and n Z"''^'!' «P""kli„g^ or , 2. That Baptists have S^tri^^^^"'^^' ^''^J I- Wons, and Lve succeeded Lttr^^^ T?^^ ^« '""tilate mstitutions. ^'^^"^ '" getting such lexicons into said "o^to\'r;rdrtL°tetr''"'''^"^ -- "o very verdant 15 '«^ in 2 Kings v. ■ (h'}>: and would 'ft the word un- it tran.slatcs the immerse ? translates it by ts, or any other the denomina- i translation of religious paj)er, t'tc," or Kom. >ok can, it un- rsionists." To tianize him. '1 heconies a f'isni you labor ized who has 'lis not being aj>ted to the >e that asser- part of your lid it to "suit ^'ure a wider Are the Bap- he publishers ow in every >t mutilated be as j)lenti. From this academy in •nnkling or yi. to mutilate ns into said 'ry verdant 4. That Baj)tists have a much larger influence over the said institutions than they ever dreamed of. But now, brother Currio, as you have made this discoverv, do you not think it is your duty to write to the tutors of these institutions and tell tl .. what a trick the Baptists have i.laved them? ' ' Have they found their way into Methodist colleges and academies ? Then I should hope as you have made the matter public through the recognized organ of that bodv that thev will very soon be extirpated; or you could suggest to the various tutors and students that as their lexicons "are in a muti- lated condition by not having sprinkle as a meaning of haptizo, they write it on the margin, or scratch out immerse and write sprmkle in its j)lace. The thing is very simply done, and should be attended to at once. You tell me that "so long as the Baptist Denomination ac- cepts and approves mutilating tactics in this theolotrjcal con- troversy, you, (that is I) am not likely to be delivere.rtVom the thraldom of doctrinal error." "Mutilating tactics"! Is it the author of a " Catechism of Baptism" that thus writes ? If so, then he should be the last man m the world to present the charge. Mutual recrimination is most unpleasant, but I have charges of this very nature against you my erring brother, not however, of mutilatin<^ lexi- cons merely, which are human, but the word of God, wliTch is divine ; and had it not been for this corresj)ondence some of your work would have been brought to light before this; charges which, should you live to the age of "Methuselah, you would not be able to refute or gainsay. To your Catechism I refer. And as regards the "doctrinal error" of believers' immersion, I would tlmt no greater error ever afflicted the church than that ; a lesser never did ; and as to the thraldom, never was a man more content therein, nor feels more gloriously free than Yours, etc., J. Browx. LETTER No. 3. ^ ,^ ^ Paradise, N. S., June 2nd, 1878. Kev. D. D. Cuerie : Dear Sir and Brother,— Your third letter has appeared, and although occupying nearly three columns, I cannot discover the remotest answer to my question, although the Editor of the Wesleyan says I am " having it answered with a will." 16 knows. an'^'' ^'"'^- ^^^ read your letters knows .,.„:" ^' ^""^ ^^^'^''^ one who has -I than before v<>u wri'tt a voi^I Tn''''i" ^' "" ""^''^^ '^"^^^'r. '"^'•-^'The point upon wh Lrvou /i;?'^ '" ^'- 7"" «'*'.V to mat.on is not whether AroSoi^n'd"?i^^'P^^ *« ^J^'^irc infor- "to immerse" which ofVonv«^^if T ^^ "?^''"*^ ««"'*'lin^«« <'ons ,^Wve sprinkle, or rourimon.r'- ^'"^ ^^ '^'^''^'r the lexi- wonl." ' f'^"'' '^™o"g their significations of that t<>'lS''lZ::::;^;:;;:;-;'l'- - it «c.ms toyou I « appear I <^i ,17 rnv'T^'r^S'l''^^ your owirbv ju t ""•"■•>-'• of Letters a tT^^that Ihion ii'"^"'' '''"^^^ ^^^'it^' ^'"y »; i'ave the quotation m'ks tl^rt^/ ^"" ^"°'^' ^'^zler, let aJ>out lexicons bein.MnaXtospiil 1 ^'"'? '" y<>'>'- second letter was not yours but f), Ditz e, f 7^^ '"'^^^ I"""^^'' ^'t<^-' I A-nl " First of all, I will .Tve vo. ■ f ^^"' ^^"'^^ letter you say: ^vnte lexicon.;, but who .^pok; f " m "T'^fr^^^'odia /ot ^n-aphy, defining and ivi ukW t ,« ^''f .standpoint of lexico- I^itzler says in^■eply ?o Di ^. t^r'T^T^^^^r^'^^ ''''' »'•- give tour authorites, fin^ who'nV ^^,*^^'^te, p. 27) " I will Clavis, Critica Sacra, etc b„twV T 7'''^'' lexicons, or a of lexicogra,>hy, defi;;i, ^'a'nd lenS:.-^^^^^ '''""i^^^ ^^^^^Point you see, this is neithei- Mr CnrH?^ tlie word^ etc." Now, haveoneortheother- Jl Tfi • """■ ^''- Ditzler—iet „« '"■^ words that thel^is'a '. .y "em^uS""^/"'^ '^"-^ ^'^ you must be well aware. Ch Istmt Fv ^ «'milanty, of which you steal the iron, make your own nans''h 'T^'^ 'f ^^"' " ^^' and all is really too bad. '' ^"^ ^o steal iron, nails 1 <^ii ti\.^>n „ i /• 1 !;i>eak of them as defining an^^^VcSdeS^^^^^^ Jou copying him, ^ow if you look at pao-e" '^81 2Sq t .i^. i^ V^' "^ question." the six best lexicons inixi;tenc;i^ 'Y ^'^^'" >^«" ^^i" And a'Hl Palm, which three aifoSln^a^^^^^^^^^ ^-^^ Kobinson, and Sophocles, which^TEn^lllh^f^e^di^t t^^^ 'dinary mortals if ivt' yet Naid. He ery one who has no more answer- 5 it. You say to r to desire infor- moans sonietinieK yhether the lexi- iHcations of that 'P you I » appear It, and you know » see that this is vhether the lexi- sprinkle as one :ic'on8 do. This answered. But tter out of the ; even give the Jurown by ju(st )uld write any lote Ditzler, let n- second letter 2y, etc., I find lottei- you say : S w4io did not oint of lexico- tion, etc. Dr. p. 27) " I will lexicons, or a he standpoint I, etc." Now, )itzler — let us our letter and '•it.v, of wliich tell you, " If eal iron, nails nearly thirty inkle, as the copying him, "1 question." you will find eusner, Rost I and Scott, dip or some i 17 e(iuivalent word as the primary and literal meaning of haptizo. Furiher on in that debate (p. 309,) Dr. Graves, having given testmiony from forty of the moat authoritative lexicons, and their authors Pedobaptists, says: « I have given their defini- tions in their own words • • * * I have invariablv given the primary and literal meanings, but my oi>i)onent gives, we know not what meaning of his author ; save, we know he never gives the literal ones, "nd he gives their meanings in his own words, seldom giving t le toxt.^' " Let an unprejudiced v> orld, says Dr. G., decide if my opponent has produced the thousandth part of the evidence for the definition to sprinkhy or to pour as the proper, because primary meaning of haptizo I I do be- fore God and this people deny most conscientiously that he has produced any. He has not brought forward a standard lexi- con of the Greek language, that gives to sprinkle, or to pour as the primary, the literal or proper signification •)f haptizo T On page 319 Dr. Graves quotes Dr. Georr Now iv'ta.n. „t thnt not »fH> .,f (hi «ix „„,„,„| „„ „";',:.■.. n»K". you, 187fi'"'n!?;''-'"^ « .ivesiret:„^°dr;;,°: ™tl^'-f^''^',"' *"^* " ^0 '--" than Polybius B C 165 Tv, ^^^ Ji'^'i'^''' '" *''■<'»''' <■■••"•'»•• 66 to 32f nert StraboVc 54r^'»°^'*- f"""!'' ''^ ""^ Plutarch, till A. D. lao!" Here D^Dta^d yt', Sl^L": hi"" i % I s 10 Ii't all that pass. <1 liiidaoiis, all lits NcwTi'stn. ► r flndv ]>, fl othrrN says: Il'l ()Vebate — "copy " t crediting the 'e, you seek to ot pass muster ' from Ditzler I ibat'i for a com- yriac version, I ersioRs are not now, as I inti- N"o. IV.) threw i some further ig of a person This is not lany proofs to <; wash as the not true, and t it is in r^er- issing that in "must have." : " It is evi- himself seven seven times." ' The baptism id must have the book, but C; it is too buchadnezzar t is translated n the Greek) TRUE. It is sn, and as a ■d '^baptized" lexicons, you ce I read — it suited his irs you adopt lea of falsify. In the same preface you say " It is believed this book will do good." If a book containing misrepresentations, perver- sions of the Scripture, and undeniable falsehoods will do good, your book will certainly do a great deal of good. Never in all my reading have I met w^ith a work so replete with the above named articles as your work on Baptism, and it was only a short time since in talking with a brother about that work, that I said to him, and here say to you, that I would not for five thousand dollars commit to paper, and send broadcast over the land what is found in the pages of your catechism, and I will now add, not for any sum that could be named would I stand in the position y<4u now occupy. I write these words with calmness and deliberation, and I venture to think that you would do not a little to get out of the difficult position you are in, if you could do so without exposing yourself to the public eye. But the most astonishing thing of all is this : you finish the ]»reface of your book by "mvoking the blessing of God upon it." Why, ray friend Currie, did you at any time or in any ]tlace get down r.n your knees and ask God to bless that book ? If you did, to what God did you pray ? Your ideas of the God of truth must be strange indeed if you expect Him to bless a book that teaches doctrines in opposition to His own word, and containing such glaring falsehoods, subtilties, perversions an<^l misrepresentations as your book does. I beseech you for your own sake repent and go to God in prayer and ask Him to for- give you your transgressions. I believe tliat you have done it principally through ignorance, and I therefore think the Lord will be the more ready to forgive you. I intended to point out several other false statements, but the above will do for the present. Once again I press the question upon you, my brother, — " Have you falsified those lexicons, or have you not ?" That is the simple matter in hand. As yet you have not written one word whereby any one could conclude you are innocent of the charge laid against you. 1 do not ask you whether you have falsified the Bible. I know myself you have done that, as I may further shew you shortly. You are a prominent minister in a very large and influential denomination ; yoa are charged with a string of falsehoods; that charge has appeared in the Toronto JBihle Index^ Christian Visitor^ Wesleyan and Christian Messenger^ and consequently has been read far and wide ; you have written several letters professedly answering my question whether you are guilty or not ; you have said many things on many subjects, but the question itself vou have not touched. Is not this virtually admitting your guilt ? I 22 '^'i^ons of baptize l8shen7j.L^^^^ the defi- you cannot do this, th?n T surest thJ'fT'? ^^^^^«»«-" I^ ^0" to ymir cry, ^^.....,o>, ,Jsiio; edidons^ defi'nli- ^^^"^'^^^ I ^hall Cnrrie, QUESTIO.^ ! and remain, ^'''^'^°'' Q^^stiox, Bro. Paradise. ^^"'''' ^t«" J. Browx. I I snuj>ly discussincr the subiPPt 2?f ." ^ f "^ you. Were we take up your argmnents one bvl^'^^'^TJ '^^^^"^^ ^^ happy To ness for it woufd be a very^tXrht.'';^. ''";^' »"- "eak- ■shall reserve myself, as the^iSlInf^^^^^ ^"^ ^« ^t is I haptism, but whether you fSS n ^'''^/''^^^"^'^^"t is not the question Brother Oun-ie 'th ^ is th'"' ^'-'^'""«- That I that IS satisfactorily dis,>osed of I Ini v ^"^f ^«"' and when ^vith you as fully as you please ^'"'"'^ '^' other matters ' once? Will you "> do this: Begin •on with the other »irm that the defi- 13 of my catechism ned lexicons." If )wing: «I hereby lefenceiess cause; ek language do not 20, and inasmuch uld, and that the all risks and all the way so much »ot give sprinkle >erty of giving it like this; "Well, jll; I copied the lior or authors), which is of little to believe that can do for you into which you ^ive you to vour ■ean while I shall QUESTION, Bro. J. Brown. '•e to hand in h as a page of il again to find ^u. Were we d be happy to il' utter weak- out as it is I ^resent is not ■ons. That is on, and when other matters 23 While waiting for your remaining letters to see how v.ni aregomg to clear yourself, I will point out a few more enWs m your Catechism. 1. On page 18 you say " He saw the spirit of God descend- ing like a dove, and lighting upon him." " Here" you sav "was baptism but not immersion." There was xo bai.tism' and you know it well. The Saviour had been baptized bofuiJ the dove descended ; according to you he was baptized twice You pervert the truth of God to sustain your doctrine of pour- ing. Jiro. Currie, you know well that the descent of the Si.irit like a dove is nowhere called baptism. , 2. Page 21, you say, « John bai)tized upon the confession ..f sin, betore conversion and without faith." Here a<>-ahi vou deny the word of God, for m Acts xi.x. 4, we are told that jihn told the people « that they should heliem on him which shoul.l come after him." How will you reconcile this Bro C '^ 6 Page 22, you say " it is never said he (John) baptized in imter, but always with water." In Matt. iii. 6, I rea'l, ''And were baptized of him (John) in Jordan, etc., and in Mark i. 5 that they "were all baptized of him (John) in the river of Jordan. So if you are right, the Bible is wrong. Your endeavourto prove that « in the river Jordan" means some- thing else is too silly even to be amusing: " For John nii-rht have boen baptizing* several miles away from the waters" of Jordar., and still it might have been said he was l>aptizin<^ in thnfc IS near to, the river of Jordan." Oh indeed! Then accordmg tothis, you might be in the Petitcodiac river, near to the retitcodiac river, and several miles away from the P river all at the same time, or in a "tub," near a "tub," and several miles away from a " tub," at the same time ! ! ! And this is the superb nonsense you are sending forth for the edifi- cation ot your readers. 4. On page 27 you say, " It was instituted (Christian Bap- tism) by our Lord after His resurrection, and before His ascen- sion, when he gave the commission to go and baptize all nations. I< alse again ; such a commission w^as xever hav ri^;it have you to put in ( « first by") baptizing them ? m 24 prSce orsprTnk^i^g^^HdrJn'Ufor^^ yourunscripturnl l'<-'ving. And if they are mardiscin P« i"'^ t'l ^^P^*^'« ^^ be- 6. On page 29 you sav « o t j t :^^^j^/\^«?>^^-^^^etc.,ind on paS ^f/^«°^"^f ^^d that all Dianded that all should be baDtif? i'. ^^m?^' ^^''^ ^^^ com- opposite to truth as darkness^ ^o'lSlu . ^^^«' ^r«- C, is as the East is from the West ^AnV?^-^- ' ?"^ '*« ^^^ ^^om it as Wessing on ! And thij^lie k.ok which %^'t >"" ^"^^'^^ ^ nqumng minds to recognize and acTeitfK . ''}''^"^ ^'" ^^Ij) tlio interests of the Recfeemer's kS^ '^ *'^^^^' ^"'^ P^'^^^oti -vpect a lamp without oil wive lifc* ^"" "^'^^ '^^ ^^^'^ M-est, or rivers to run up hill o, I In^' -i^'^ '"" ^« "«e in the '»• infant baptism in tlfe Bible l''^^"^ ^^^^^''"^^'^nt sprinkling "i;on ,your book or " h^hl'to^i r ^S! ^^^^^^^^^ () "l>on your book or " heh !: ""' •'' ^'^P^*'^ '"^ 't>les8ing t( tnith/' or "promote the in/eresST^ '^ ««««Pt ^n. unless by the reading of yo^^^^^ lierewithas to seek truth w ere itts tot Z'^'"/ ^^ ^"^^V'^^t ±or the present. I hope your next eiStl T'^" ^"^ ^»«»gh ^«" ^^^^'e, as I ^f^on- The question i^s "'h/ve l^^^^^^^^^ and that IS the question you Serf ''^*^^ ^^^ lexicons?" «Iial therefore finish this LK l.L'^/"'^^^.^' ^ut do not. I •anting on other matters to d™ "^^^^ ^^"^ '"ittempt bv 'iiu juu as 26 fully as you please (that is with you, not Dr. Ditzler,) but a. it 8 not I shall stand at my post arul not be tempted a vav fro. It. \ou maj write on other mu.ors as much and as one as you please, but I shall not follow you, but watch y^u Selv till you finish, to get your reply to my question about thelex^ cons ; as you promised in your letter to me of May Tt^ o Sve as fninkly as possible, a comprehensive reply to the letter sent" to you. And now as I wish to address i few lines to it Editor o{ the Wesleyan, you will, I am sure, excuse me say n^ more to you at present, and allow me to remain * " Yours, &c., Paradise, June 18, 1878. J. Browx. P. S.--Don't lose sight of the postscript in my last. Hurrv along with .he editions of your lexicons. Vm gettig dreadful V impatient. I have names and dates all waiting.^ D^ con ' • along now ; you would not like to be in mv place would vo , '> having to wait so long. But I suppose I List £ ^2^ "" ' LETTER No. 7. Rev. D. D. Ourrie : -pmr^ro^y^er,— Your last letter to me in the Weslevan U to hand, and as I fully expected, the question I asked yL ,e mams untouched Throughout the whole of your con-espon dence you have kept clear of it, and now that you have fidsC the only conclusion that I can come to is that^ou are Sv lour silence is your condemnation. In your letter to m^' through the post of May 7th, after ackno^ledgmgTny letter Sblf ;w"t 'I" \T««»«'^«" say :_«It has'seLeJto iie advisable that I should answer your enquiries in a somewhat ■ i I. .^?. ^'^'"^'■'^ ^^'^ ^^^'^''e the public, and I arfi will question '^tI;:''^" t'^"^^ say whether }ou have answtr d n ' ^p"f *^?"-. The question whether you are guilty or not ^^' Bible at 1 Cor. x 2 anr? finri /v. .u^"" ^"'^ ^P^^^d my «J>nnkling, but they " we,e aH b-r'''^^" 'l^' ^'^''^'S about «ea," and vou have tbphniV ''^P^'^^^ ^'^ ^he cloud and mthe takl out 4"\:nd;u' n'-ui^^^^^^^^^ term t^ It, it should be "under the clm.d '' tS ' ^' ^'"" ""'^"'^ ^^'^ " under the sea ''Thn^"th' ^hen you must also say -d -.^e/the s;a.'''^'K vou 7onS llaif ".' ''"t ^^^ ^^--' young ministers, in to dJy'f ^.^I'T^^^^^^ *^ "^"^ "Our blessed Lord snJ^ fV> Ti- v ^ ^ ."'>^ ^•) ^I^ says ;— sion,-Go ,;'andlB:;'H'a'n'nayon:'^^"^^ '^^^T «^^ '^-"• to BAPTIZE all nations R,f;nti''i^ n ^'' 't>'' ^^ «^"t them tion more particul " y and comW "'"'"^ ^ ''^''^. ^'^"^ '-^"en- »ninisters,pi.hapsyo\^^;ay pror^^it uv/ "^ ^""^' ^^^" trude upon your nimils VnlrZ ^. • " ''^^^ "^t to ob- teachini^s ofVod^To /word LT'r%f"^'J"??^"^ «^ '^' Hvable from that sabred sonrnP l ^ n""'^ ""^''"^^ ^^^ ^e- niore need to be mS in hnndUn T' ^^''. '''y'^ ""^^ there present." Ponde, winV}?o«; f °f?^^ V'^ ^*' ^«^ than at C. No living man ^m I ' now "?^^' .'" ^, '""^^^^ ^^'^r^^^' ^^o. the author of^ur ScMsm of Rnn.'^' that advice more than Ii-^ve lately appeared In iheW?!/?^''"'' ^'"'^ ^^'" ^^tters that l>y some I am^Ecribed as a ZZJhT T'"' ^'T """^^ ' «"^^ ^^ speak as a fool, and I win theretre a/ tS i'f'tb^""^"^^ ^ ministers to whom the « charo-p" il ^ ^' .^^"^ '""^ J^^^ng Goodison himself aoinnnn. P. ' f '''^"' ^"^ the Rev. Mr »>e will ever "phLU eXr a ch'H ^^^ "^'^'^' "^^^^^^ they no Thetemptitiont st^tru^ontTtf^^r" ^"^'*^^- errors m your Catechism, ts well Tto refpr t "" ^T "^""'^ •" your closing letters, but I llllVt'lflV^^^^^^^^^ ■>8t serious charge to keep to the lexi- itters you are open concerning your columns to expose and third letters. '0 much room for iir eleventh letter 'eople, Paul says, just opened my '8 nothing about ' cloud and in the Wronger term— to you would ha»^e I must also say I tinder the cloud le will give you Ml, Bro. Currie, en they crossed Egyptians. See niple statements )rs. otice the folio w- 'liarge" to nine ) He says : — sfore His ascen- Y-, he sent them ask your atten- 3 of your own are not to ob- lendent of the which are de- tys) was there fGod than at ly words, Bro. vice more than he letters that name ; and if permitted to he nine young the Rev. Mr. ither they nor wu hereafter, a few more everal points J considering 27 ^h^J^^\ ^ ''''''^ •^''''''^^ ^'^"^^ attention to is sufficient to shew that your wntnigs are not in any way to be depended on, they are absolutely and emphatically untrustworthy, an should be read, if read at all, with the utmost caution A rCpJ?'"'' 'T '■ ^^'"^'■" '^^" ^'^^^y^ I '"^y return to your Catechism, unless m the mean time you are brought to see and forsake your errors. t> ^ ^^'^ ^iiu And now once more to come back to the question of the lexicons. In one of your letters you intimated that different editions of the same lexicon gave different meanings of the word baptizo, when I told you that was your only rSuge; and I hoped for your sake that those you quoted from were d"f- fei^nt editions from those the editor of the Mble Index had before him when he denied your statements. I have asked you to name your editions, so that a comparison might be made • you have not done so. I will therefore give the editions which and connin n^ be^,re him, and if yourslire of a different date and contain the definitions as given in your Catechism ; then 01 the sake of your own honor, and that of your noble brother- hood, come forward and say so. This is probably the last sE lib in"''"'' ^ «hall make to you and^f you s^ill remaTn Mlent, I shall eave you to the comfort of a guiltv conscience, and your conduct to the impartial decision of th'ose who arJ competent to judge. l?lT\j ^^•^^'^ means whereby we are to ascertain the meaning of bapttzo, and in your letter of to-day, No. xii. speak ngs of lexicons, etc." Your estimate of their value seems to rrt?!"'' •'"'u ^^"^i^erably since you wrote your Catechism. Aie they vam because they do not favour your ideas of what baptizo ought to mean? fs it because they do not give 'pour' or 'sprinkle' as meanings of baptizo f si ""* Hoping you would give the editions of the lexicons vou name, I wrote, as I told you, to the editor of the Index/iov foHows':-"' ' l^'^d before him. His reply in part, is as Rev. J. Bhowx :- Toronto, Ont., May 29, 1878. Dear urs of the 22nd received this morning. Since your letter came to hand I have examined the foUowiL lexicons - bchrevelms, edition 1(588, also 1831 ; Scapula, 1820 H^de S Tsi"^ Schleusner, 181U; S. " las; 1705; also 1853; and Grove', 18W. My stated ment m the /u<7.x Of September is exactly true in regard to^ all of them. Grove is the only one that defines even bapto sprinkle-but mTnd'lS?! hJv ;f 1 f^.^^ttev, Passow, I hayfnot'^Jw af com- mana, but I liave the definitions given by him which I conied from the dictionary over a year aso whSn nrpnLin^ t.^r o "jo^,„„fi.Vii^ 28 roiiffrefjational minister. Sprinkle is not amonfr them. Gases I have never seen, but on the testimony of Dr. Conant who was written to iiliout It. 1 know that sprinkle is not in it. H V the testimony of Dr. Conant, 1 know that other editions of the hooks leterred to agree with those I have examined. Hedoricus 17'^-^ • Scapula. ir,7i); Schleusner, 1791. • * * » No Methodist 'paper will allow an exposure of Mr. Currie to appear on its pages. Yours truly, H. McDiARMID. P. S.— Is it not curious that letters addressed to you in the Wedeuati cannot be replied to in the Wedayanf Has the editor positively lofused ? H M (Yes ir. M., «' positively refused," and you are uot the only one that has asked me that question.) I have myself examined the three following :— Grove, edition 1835 ; Sehleusher, 1824 ; and Hedericus, 1821. It will be seen that these editions differ, as to date, from those given above. Now, my good friend Currie, we are prej)ared for yours. We are all '' watching and waiting" for you. P'or the b'-nefit of the reader and at the suggestion of a friend, it may be well just here to give the definitions of iorjn^i^o as found in these lexicons, and then those manufactured ones given by Mr, C, so that they may be compared, and Mr. C.'s truthfulness tested. ScHREVELius, Baptizo, Mero-o, abluo, lavo ; to baptize, nnmerse, wash off, bathe. Mr. Currie— To immerse, to wash, to sprinkle, to moisten, to wet. Scapula, Baptizo^ Mergo, sen immergo ; to immerse or im- merge. Item tingo ; ut quae tingendi, aut abluendi gratia aour out largely, ithority. Mark and see what I ark the manu- But no matter, 1 in among the tions to baptize, stain, dye, or 'els ye are in a lavo, abluo, pnrgo. To immerse, to immerge, to dip, tu dip in, to wet, or moisten, soak, drench, to wash or bathe wash away, purge, or cleanse. Mr. C. — To immerse, to moisten, to sprinkle, to wash, to cleanse. Grove, Baptizo — To dip, immerse, immerge, plunge ; to wash, cleanse, purify ; to baptize ; to depress, humble, over- whelm. (Grove does not give his definitions in Lathi like the others.) Mr. C. — To dip, plunge, immerse, wash, wet, moisten, stain, sprinkle, steep, imbue, dye, colour. Gases and Passow. I am not prepared to give the detini- tions of these, as I cannot find them in any books in my pus- session. The editor of the Lidex^ however, has those of Passow, and he says "sprinkle,' is not among the definitinsler, of Columbia College, Nervtrbroudi out' an American edition of this trreat Levioon T„ t kL ^ .^ scholars in England and on tl^fcon S ^?-e,L"un'ed tTii^SS' tion ot daptizo and the authority Quoted fnr Vt a. 5 Htrated with Liddell and Scott fo^r iSn/it and c^ledThX attention to the fact that the authority cited did Tta^^^^^ HuTofTp- "" ^'-^f'r-- ^^^^i'^^'^d -f t^elac fthey sick hs second edition would be conformed to the second En^lM ; this' maulrVr^rn^^-r ''"V'^r'^ outof hSrxt eSl^om" nfluei^cert^h^^^^^^^^ ^^^ denominational the ruer can rifi It * Professor Duncan wrote to know why ine American did not conform to the Enirlish edition TT« Zll Jnformed that it would be made to do ^n'vi! ,. ^^ ^'^s years have passed, and the Lexioon \L ^ \u K-^ thou iikewis^ » ^" ^' ^ ^''^^ «^^«l^r, " Go and do I 1 i M i 81 . See pages 316, rhe superiority of When they give as authority for lie time append a ord as thus used. York, brought out In the meantime, arnined this defini- >r it, and remon- t, and called their id did not at all i fact, they struck I unsupported by efore, m the spirit the people that > second English his next edition." ' denominational rote to know why sdition. He was 8 the question we orever settled by Qgland and Ger- ) sprinkle' or ' to ^tizor « Thirty 3ne through six e civilised world •ity in the whole ?ive 'pour jpon,' ling of baptizo:' atechism as the ve, neither "to f baptizo. Do er do as Pedo- to this matter. )ondence began, n to me, writing deal surprising mpt the defence ning of baptizo. en over by all ', "Go and do , as well as in ill give up all attempts to justify what they ought to know by this time can- not be justified on any grounds whatever, lexical or otherwise. By the way, I perceire by Rev. Mr. Lathern's new work that he has Grove's lexicon ; now if he, finding your (piotntion from Grove to be correct, (which has been denieity for you for that) but against the way you have dealt with the lexicons and tlie Bible, I must say I have very strong feelings indeed. X(jr does the evil stop with you, for others, following your Cate- chism, have been sowing the secrls of error and falsehocxl con- tained therein. I could tell you of a Methodist Minister who has been earnestly engaged in lecturing on baptism, who, I find from notes taken by a friend, has followed you almost as closely as vou have followed Dr. Ditzler. In addition to this, vou have Miade some of your own friends, I mean Methodists, thornuglily nshamed by your conduct; this is no guess, for you must know t hat the odium must in some measure rest upon your brethren. J wish it, however, to be clearly understood that whatever 1 have said has reference only to you, and those who knowing the nature of your Catechism, still publish and circulate it. Will you tell me, brother Currie, whether the doctriin.- of falling from grace was invented for the benefit of such as may wish for a time to descend to such conduct as you have been puvsuing? It is a very convenient doctrine indeed for one who may take a fancy to write such a book as yours, (for I cannot see how a man in a state of grace could write it), a book, sir, that I would not be the author of for a kingdom and a crown. I need not repeat previous descriptions of it, but it is mon- strously erroneous and misleading. And to crown all, you invoke the blessing of God upon it? If you invoke the bless- ing of the father of subtility, of error, of falsehood, the chance of obtaining it is strongly in your favor ; but to ask the blessing of God upon it is little less than very blasphemy. Do you not know that Iving books no less than lying lips are an abomina- tion to the Lord? as I have already informed your friend and brother, the editor of the Wesleyan. You are a prominent minister in a denomination of great power, energy and success ; your influence is great ; what you say is therefore considered or more value and trustworthiness 82 thnu that (.f onlinnrv' mon • v- i : »'-; utcly ial,s., both as r -inls ff ' I '''^ ^'""^'^ ^'''^''' »'-^' •^«'It;an.IcMn,,i„.rfrom Ji ;'J7 lexicons, aiul the BiM^ vour telloHWMon, let thL g^ VhXlT '^' ^1^' "^ ^'^^ '"'*i .V'>n to do as you have I ca nnf n ^'"'''"''' ^'•'^'^' po^sesKod ;v nigh doni, and I charg Von arit'"'- . ^'^ "^*^' ^ h"v^ n.th, never hereafter to r'^so,-to '}?'"''''''■ ''^ '^'^ ^'^^P^' "^ •loetnne or practice you mav hold V T"' *^ «"«^«"i a»v .^;;y N I exhort youto^ince'e^eStance'i/v' ^'"'^ '" «" ^""^ •"" "^m-ely you cannot help Jeinlth^. ' ^,''" ««« your erFors ; :;;•," /.'""«? «« you tnow o ZtrV Yn'f ''^'^ henceforth o beheye ,n, practice, and teac Unf-.n; *'? ? '' ^'^'^'^^^^t "^'''t to sustain and defend it H.f I i o'' «dult sprinkling, and y'^io" of niy heart when WZ^^^^ ^"" «"^ ^/^/''//.r. L found therein afdfhJ. ^^^l «f God, andean ^-nrn for the practicL fC i/^* ^ J^^^^^^^le reason can be «l>nnkling adults. It was t le Lt sT.n ?'"' '"^^ ^^^ «''"^1 oi on as to the true meaning of the or?/^ "^""^i' '"^ '"i^^^«^'- ke error of every kind, must J !/"•''"''*' ^^ baptism, and ^^"irrio, believe, preach t^aeb' TT ""T^ ^« """^'^t Brother and nothing b Jt the truTh ^^,7 !' '>^ T^^^^' '^^^ ^^ole tru h avoids: "ftrust, dear bro her thlt ?''?^^ T"'* «^° ^'losin^' jmtted successfuUy and jSv t^^^^^ "« «hall be peS •f « given us to do ; and th" t 'wb," '-^ "^"""^ ""''' ^^'*"'' ' better country,' where all hjf , ^^^^^^ to enter into the •j-l those to /horn we ,l?sreriiVb: '^V' ^^^' ^^ ^^'j^ < one, good and faithful serv?,?. ' .k J^^^'^ ^"" «ay : « Well ['-things I will mat thee Ul^^^^^^^^^ thou into the joy of thy Lord.''' ^^' "'^"^ ^^^"g^J enter Yours truly, Paradise, N. S., July 6th, 1878 ^^^^ Browx. -y^^l^J^it i^'^ri *^Xn""^^^^ ^ ^--ritten. <':«-^^ did not require, or that von, . ^^ ^"'cumstances of the It you or any other person i?? • ''''.^"*^^ did not justify, then h-t tliank /ou or iCC^so CV ' .'I' ' ""^ ^'^^^^ ^^^S "•^'^S correct, alter, amend or TrSl -^ "^^^' ^^"'«"gh the ^•eur own closing us shall be per- ^ork our Master enter into the ;o eye, we both m say: 'Well a faithful over a y things; enter OHx Brown. I have written- istances of the Jt justify, then, 1 with all haste , through the the case may ; may demand, 'orm that you 88 jusort my lottvr of enquiry concerning the lexicons at the begiumni;. That is good, and the readers of the pamplilet will be able to judge for themselves whether you have auMvend that en(pnry. Farewell till we meet again. J. B. Open LEifERs to the Editor of the "Wesleyan." LETTER No. 2.« Kkv. a. W. Nicolsox :— - My Bear .SVr,— Yon still fail to see how the Witn>',^.^ iii.. the subject of baptism in that paper, it gavf us both the fullest, liberty to say all we wished; that was libertt/ ; and wIh'ii the erlitor wished the discussion to be discontinued on b..th M.le<, shewing no favour to either by inserting one side onlv. thiT wuH/air play. Do you see now, Bro. Nicolson ? Your'excuM> tor inserting only one side, because of a « previous arranov- ment with you, is thinner than that for not insertincr mv reiTl v to Mr. Currio. I wonder if I had made a « previous aVranU- 'aent whether mine would have also appeared. I had thcvuflit that a "previous arrangement" on your part with what is iust lijiright, and straight-forward, without any arrangement of mine, would have been sufficient. If you cannot see^thron*di it now, I must give you up ; with tearless eyes I say it, I "^nve you up ! But you know what justice and fair plav is well enough ; and the truth of the matter, I presume is, iou don't want Mr. Curne's falsehoods to be exposed in your paper, n,o- vour readers to see what can be said in defence of belieAer's baptism as opposed to your views. Your considerateness in giving Mr. Currie large space because you are "anxious to tjet Mr. Brown off the gridiron" is very touching ; I onlv wish T had the capacity for appreciating your kindness. It is so verv considerate of you, it is. I hope you won't burn your fineers in your kmd endeavour, and when you have got me off of vour charity do try to get our dear friend and brother Cuvrie off too. « For No. 1 see page 4. 34 "<>^'^^''^nycircumstancesr You nnlv .? ^J*. <^»^'^'ie's letter ^".-e ; )>ut sur.pose you knew thev would ?/ n' ^'^^ ^''^ »«t ,I"^ti y you ,n the slighttst. So li ^^' ^^'^^ ^^'^^^^^ »ot :• .to-ht. If, howeverNou .vish Mr cTh5' T"^^^ "«^ '"^^e •''• Baptist pubiieatiof,, you kLw how to ^"^'"^ '« Wear l^'^ye rend, I presume, the JuriumL ^r^'i^^'^^^' ^ou _>vlnoh_ r guess you wish had T.^^XtT ^L '^"^ ^*^^« Inde:c A •■ I I I ..j^^ iij -^^»j.i. \^urne will (rive thp «„„ ^« ^"»^ euicor .^onie attention at once, u-e"will the,? S """.^^ ^^''^^'^ ^'^^^^^^ Svneral attack on immersion nolrnn. '"''^^ -^^ l^'''"* hi« ;vill .^ecure a place for our e "y 'n t^hi iV^/"''^'^'^ '^''' ^'^ y>nnve Bro. X., a fine oppo/tunitv i« n ^^"^^^3/«^*-" There 'V^temberlast-tenmontliago^^^^^^^^^^ offered you. In ( urne or any of his ministeillbrPtf , . ''^'' "^^*"^^^ *« Mr. ;^'t ^vith reference to the ex icons v^l '"„^'^-^'i^»» his con- Hie editor says, "Kotone iZlluUl ? ^^'"^ '^"»^' »«'»l>er ;;p.nn.ks "IsthereaXt^f "^2:;:tfX'' -^^^^^^^^ «^ ot Mfheient courage to allow -m^v? ^^"erica possessed ;N>unou,s definitions to appear n its oT''''\:^^ Hr. Currie's '^ continues, '^to get the^ C%;"^S. ^"'""'7' " ^^^ ^^^d," (Toronto) to tell us whether xMrCW- ^'''"''^T'^ ^^ this cit}, -'fy ".• not, but we fai ed,\^^\^-^^"^i;^"«^^^^ ^he lexicons co^-l . In passing, let me ask you deaJ 2 '^f -^ ^^ ^^"^ "' this." ■^Mr. Currie is innocent ? ^^Ji;^^;;;'^y ^^is sol.mn silence, "•^11 nsk you an honest question %]^''S^''^^ o^ the Index I ^•andeur of the man who Ses io t^^t fl^'" '"r ^^^^^ «^ ^he J .--sides are you not yourself convim.tf^ T" ^^' ^"' '^^^ ^urt ? C^nrrie has falsified thielexicon^M?;;^;^"^ "^"^^^^^ ^^at Mr. ••'"'^•^i'l-M and shelter him as fl.oUTf' •^"^>^*'"«^"1 defend ••••t nol.ly and manfully and sf til ""^' ?"«tead of coming t'-oni grace, and that very low too" Zut '-^^""^ «^ ^^»i«g !"hi-^talsifieations. You ay i U^^^^^^ ''^l^et Imn ^^. lauK.ntahle that so much Le atd v^l''?f ' "^""^^ ^^^h, " It given up to this waterquest on '' ''"^^^^"'^ble space must be your own doing ? Did^you S you^e^f 't V ^'""^ ^"•' ^"^ ''' "«t tune ago ( Weilei/an, May 4 tiff f jf ^^'^ ^^"^* readers some ^''n.g..n the queftion, and that ise.S'''f'^'- ,^ ^"" f^'* ««"^e- ;'l'l-'"-'- .and did you ZVadyitT'f^''^^^^^^^ ♦•; 'Vi-ovide <1oublisupp?iLs of le.vl n ^''^''r .^'^^^ Me.senffer ;« " tremendous bombar imtnt^hS I^^^^^^ because of ;>n-b.vathinu.s through the air '^'' A^^ ''' fi''«t moni- 35 Yes, Bro. N., It is lamentable that so mu.-h time mii.I space should be given up to propagate such errors, false .loc trines, and falsehood as you sustain Mr. Currie in falsehood so distinct as this inland, and ^hen it is pim^d s clearly, and yet the author thereof stands to his falsehoo.f and 18 aided and abetted by a man in such a position as vou occupy. It makes me all tV moi-o .io*..^:„J ^ /^'^ > V]^ I-' J.f "&"-, ituu tnat ■ I^ ^vas my purpose to • "™^ " '^ ^' '"'^^^ '^- versions in Mr ctl ^ V-*"'"* ^»* » number of erm. ^•^^iclv appeared hnt .'"''^u" ^^^'^^0° to those wM f t""'^ ^'^'" ■^ours, etc., etc., • *^® P'^ied. (June loth) „ex?tfml°-?"'"'"'«'^'-«'> me i„ hM 1^7' LETTER N©. 3. Hv Dear SiR,-,your two F... ^^^^^'«^' July 1, igjg, "•^e the cat-o' n 1 ; V^ ^^" ^^^^ me to task m^ . ° '^'^"^" ^I'st liOKever ,n!vi "•>' *° Animals. Befot! ?°<"«}- 'or the >' I (lid |)ei-sui,1o ,1 1,°^ ^""e reason in Jh„, '"""s to ^n abomination to ei^ght," and that » sadiy, sadly ap. >f errore and per- l which have a], tram, considering 3nt to shew that , bemg little less 'm to read them. :ove beyond ques- aJsehood, misre- ?rdofGod. Its the exposures teach from its 'y to be pitied. ^OHx Brown. last Weslewm cond letter be- 37 % 1, 1878. ^o me are to in your first roundly, and ack, tiU I am ie to deserve 1 which you ciety for 'the ^wi throug-h, S"ch severe' a wliippiiig P*^ you can you blame ■le cases to " say; and nay depend Mr. Currie, that both lie question naPtl*"' ^\^%f ^'•' >^'t be any gratification to you, givn in hand. .1 few extracts, uuu unerwaras we may see v hy you whin nm so vigorously, assuring you, dear sir,^hat i\lT3feLor inserted both your letters, and from the light VlTchlZJZ hrow upon them, you would wish most Lardy it ha? J but I will have some mercy and ^ive onlv a sni n ,..,.. -V ture have been permitted to wink you ought of sight "^ " 1ms suggests to me that, my deJr sir, you are fa state of what IS sometimes described as » high dudgeon " n^Mvn the lexicons. However I p^n r>nKr co», ♦! «. •/ ^ "nic ana feT^V "in^d t r, go^' :!'^i;r»r" ''''•- '''•'^" -'-' Jtjxtract 3. " This enero-v nf l^ft^i,. „' v iiiift futigy ot letter wntinjr now going on directed to you, is due to'^something m;;;;ih;n ^cS;!;;" ', abilities, or sentiments." That is so, Mr \ smcer # # name, character .7 . .' "^i^»-i, — ^.w>.iv,ci, yji Bt-iJtiiuenis. I'tiat is mi Mv V f.tl«;fil 1 f • .^* ; V- Cu^'^'ie, a minister of the Gosnel h-is falsified certain Greek lexicons, and both he and you eek lo Nicholsou, £,-o«A«- mcliohon.' " Friend I thint ,? f that w„,-,l," as Shukspeare would sav an™ I viH Ml v,^rtlt' I would rathor be the "mere fltru -elieni" „f .i,^D • ' brotherhood you describe, tha'tbe whole hill «f •, ? f*"' 1 38 -o^iSr^lita.^- -e/M. souls of .nen is •'"eak so highly of my unfortun.t • ,^,^'«^^«^^'«od which you ^n;, charge you most c.Um v a d mo.f '''r'''^^^^' ^"^^ I ^^erj ^vitl. you patronize and c rLh tV ! ?f^^'""^>^' ^n^^ all who yon do by this time somehinc^^^^^ Catechism, knowinjas n-lMch has been to my knowfel?/e ''', '^"?^^^ ^ ^ithf o •lioldu.g, sustaining and defendin^Vh "'"^l" ^"°^'"') ^ith to know, M not (me -mfl •'_"""?.? ^^"-it you know, or ono-h* ^•il^les of our religbn' I teuT"'''''^' '" '^''^ ^omm^nest prln a tremendous mistake, and ^rv'^^""'^"' '^'^' ^atech sm L' or Inter it will prove noi^ dir^^ "' '^ ^''''^''' tbat soZer '^Xc^^«'^i^'1 ^rered'o"'^^"^ ^^ ^-'' denominate: (-nl>.>.M.dghth;;;^"dte^^^^^ "f^^" y-"- creed," I.K^ public eye from the char^re of f f u ^^'J '^"«^ t« Wind you and your class rna-nifv nto . . '"^ Christian faith which m.'jl only say in replyfo fd " haT'lh: ""'^^^f Proportions ''' ot Ji.ipnsts, know that no denomin.Hn '' ''\''- ^"«^^^ ^"ything m.-.gnihes it les, than they "mTf \ ''" '' terrestrial baff your denomination, with mot Pi . ^'^^"i^^^^^ you, Bro. X an ^"■^v^^ ^n^guiM it 'in^o cure ,fr^"'''^'''^^'^^^ other chu;ches :;re under the necessity o^st 'J "7'"^"'^"^ thatBarS ; back to its own proper an/S '' 'v "^' '" ^""^^ ^o b ng the Scriptures, fro,n which it has" bli"""^'^" J^^' ^^^^ ^own "n -i--nt,;?\ll ^:^,«7. your own,td ^^our^^ei^I Nova Scotia, and prhic'Dallv whl '^'"'V-^' '''^ '''^'^ I came to f^^'Pr ^"^'-"tlo'ntVeXEb;^^^ ^'%- favour of infant sprinklino- nn^ „ ^- , ^ ^^'^^^ arguments in ^^ glaring perv^i^^ns^ '^l^^f ^""«} ^^^^levers' b^tisr;^^^^ Baptist, contained therein But r ""^"••^l^'^^^entations of J>urpose IS mainly to give extracts i '^ "''^ ^"^^^'^e, as my ^xfrcfct 7. '' ton f L ^ ^'^^"^ y^^r etter '^ belief I>eculiar to ;"„; clarfn t' ' •^"'^^^^^^ ^^^ Anal stage of c'-^nded direct fronrChS a "d Tff^'^i"^ '^^' yo« have^des (iear sir, vou havp m,-.; 1 "" *^^ Apostles * # #^5 {•■■■-ehirregotre Sr^n^l^Tf"^^''.^^ Chr« sent yo,.^^ tonhefaith-once delfvS ,„* 1 "'"?'' """"-nestly to contend souls of men is md 92) besides .■, the Word of God, rhood which you ted. And I here, »jy, and all who ii^m, knowing as » (not H tithe of de known,) with ' know, or ought commonest prin- ifit Catechism is -^dict that sooner -»■ denomination >n your creed," t dust to blind oi-ought against tian faith which )roportions." J know anything i terrestrial ball ", Bro. :N'., and «ther churches, ," that Baptists much to bring laid down in ssly wrested. >nforBaptistic %*-- rince or your special fice I came to he Wesleyayi arguments in baptism, and sentations of 'l«i"ge, as my 3r. final stage of ou have des- ' * * Uy sent you to y to contend >art, brother elusion that mg through 39 .■..mposition that, Bro. N., aL wh cl roves xL^-^^ n'i ... the,tateclese,-iherl „car the beginn^ZwfleC ' , stances must it be omitted because „f T f"™'''" ^'r"""" onsiya(dmg, " I will give no such iudrmient " Tl.nnb' V not be seen throu.ylr. hc^^ ^^^' "^^ '"^''V^ h»rt if you it certainly \l„esmn"t"rutVirv„T''i;a„?ti„';'ir'" "Hammer away ye hostile bands 1 our hammers break, but the truth still stands." Iruth, crushed to earth will rise acrain" " Tbf> T nv.1 .v Hosts IS with us the God of Jacob ''is ur ref^i e '^ lu amiough the truth we hold on this question has K'n suffer- rise to-morrow to his mid^^laV b U^^^^^^^ ^^''l^ Lit I r U M- j 40 "•ideMtai,turi;odstateof;:„^„,r ™'''' ''"<"■' "'"' *''e h J,:'!o':.,rdrwt't'irtL'i":;:,iVal[r'' ^/"^ '"™'"' ' there was in my letter to von?J o. t i '^i^ ''/ ^'*°^' "'^ ^^at -<1 .-hy you to^k;?y",^;on.'^J>,: 't^^^^ 'rT? 1^ ^^'«' yo.i notl.incr) with siich ill m-nl 'i ^ if "^ ^"^^ ^ charged )>irch ro' ^^^^ tion, and aLr.iin belaboured no «?. '"^^.f^^,«*^»"n'""on ques- for forsakint tho pHnoinlc o A?? ^^^'•-il^^^^ly, and la.shed me ^•i.o kncMv better t un I ^ info nid i ^^'^'"•^^^^"' ^^'^<^"i ^"me one the first time I knetv itV a d s ^''" '"'f my tutor (thi« bein<. thought r cou- snfeTl a ed h rr „: " ' ^Z"'' '^ ' "^^^'^^" ' 'lilr'^c;:^^--p^^^ Hev. John Bkow.v:-^''''^^''^'^ ''"'"^- "''^"'''^'^' '^"'^^ ^^th, 1878. tL^^;:;fsri^^j^;s^ j^^f-^«f two t^r ^^^« --k, m >* 111 see I have made certain sfc ^-^^i^ ^^f ^ '''^''^^ ^/essenr/er. You to close-cornmunion and other m^tSs Vt ^''""'' P°'^*^«" ^ ^«Ia«o any of my statements, I shall be IS^i f^^'*" ^J^ Prepared to deny vSBRIIIi ilievers— nothinjr ew moments will nature, which I 'ove extracts will shew the readers ■ letter, and the d your epistle I or done, or what deserve all this ; vhich I charged u flourished the ; and why with )mmunion ques- and lashed me vhom some one iitor (this beinjr of a sudden I » yourself, sir," ? to obi i ere you. mg is indulged d herring, and for miles, and, t alike, he sue- of the herrinf>^ I-. Editor, and Vesleyan from the following factory organs cided case of am the object The letter rou, and find- even as you 1 freely insert le 14th, 1878. this week, in 'smmer. You ion in relation pared to deny letter in the )ologi8e if my My opinion •oglad if you 41 Yours truly, you have betrayed yourself at list W?ii V, ^^""^ ' ^^'^ ^^' mar mv renlipss \n ivr,. n • • , ^j!r"".? ^^'^0 'JV msert- ^mgerya'ne'nlsurerf Z'",'" ""f /^f%.«». ^''^see the thr:^B^ ^^^^^-^'-^'^^^ acting fair.y;tMj;™r^j^^h,rted t"S:C I^\ '''■ way Tdofr^''''^'' ''"''"'■•8 ■''^'•"•^» <''^ tn.ek i» „ot the 5. That ill your letter in the Weshuan oi Um,. i^;,i xay some very hard and severe thint wh eh vou do , ^T raean,in order to prepare the wayTr a,„l u-irn "" "'^"•^' of writing, the above letter. mtentioii 42 " g), niKl then nVrht „„ f i i , ' J ''■'"'<^ '« cliase -i ,■ .1 !"<• "y- -y'^^'^^. lea., „o ,..„,. ^";»- r..'..t that M.. c !■%';,;"!, '^^ '^■«t. "" a,i„ri„: '^ , 8 rf «'*'*'"■ '""" ''''»l"''-"te, ami -s|ESiSis:."^~' '■■■■" ^li-: Currie to answer ray n„esSn '^, ^.? ^^'^" ^^'^t prevail on exico,is or not. I shall no i?' '^''^^^lier he has fa sified th " insert thorn in iCweTeyan^T"' ""T^' ^''^ knd offer tliom (which you will iLtS \/,r\'^"^^^ • ''i"!^ ^t to com ,Vou one of my views ouhr;,i'"- ^^^'''"^-iHle I wiH 2^i Statements, vcu^'iv- "i;,'^''''"' ""^^^^^ "lakino- certain «f ikinnr 8tatenionts which I wouM o chase a r d r letter reaehiiio- B offer to reply 'aek to discuss I'e that the lex- Jca<] me aM'av > f««Jinission oii f^eNperate, and Sure! y in vain y others con- and they are are so very ^hall be most I'st prevail on s falsified the »• kind offer nk fit to copy ' I -vvill g'ive stion, which nion and on If^ndorse our o" this sub- but at pres- shed first, which deals ^ written in i"st, and, like 3d not now tice. Your 5»s in thus this time a ^i» strange >en Letters' iter" came ivately, to Letter" to 48 you would not liave been wriffoM ;( i -, l'--t. If you felt cha^^^:''^^ Tl} 'V'""''''^'^'^^ <•»« vo"«ay, "it is m.llv pitia L thn !^ to thank ; and if, and space should be given UP to tl^^^^^^^ f '""^^^'^^''-'I'l^^ time the blanuwif blame fae " briresroiT'M^ ?'''''''''/ .^^•" '^^ ]ust answered my quesn:,n in tbf\ t S"'*'"'''' ^"^ ^^ J^^' J'ad i'.ave been sparer! so much ."in as vT.'/ ^ '"'^''^^ '> >^«" ^^^ '•'•'! time and sjmce might hive C'^th^Pri •'"'"' ^^^^'^"'' "^'^'^ ^^'^ next " You have H.,ccee^l?d in ^^^^^^'J^e occupied. You sav ••"Hi I nm -" boH; now or blind, if you cannot «p?;i • ^^""^"^^ be either asleep the results conlspoml w th to "'' ^ "" '^?^'" ''^^^*^' " ^^^^^" ^^ ^ ment I heartily eniore I„ZT """r^^f'^tions." This sent i- realized, and it is you s^r tW T i' ^ "^'^'^ ^v])ectations are that my conclusir"^!'' ^^^C ^ cons was correct. Brother W Tn'thL ^'^'^^ment of the Jexi- nng letter corresnond wllh ' ^^^ ''^'^"^ts of your red her- you think you 3 betteTlet f h'T ^^.P^^^ations ?' And d n't you get more light on It J ^ '^' ^''P''''^"^''^^ ^^^^tion alone till co^t::^si?^:^^^;:^^-iaii^n^ confined almost exclusivell 1^1^.! ^^-^^^'V^^'^'^:^ ^^^'^h >-.u is «"', if I desired to m ke VetS? '' Polemics." My good Methodist views of ba ,tism ^ f converts, then to assail confine myself alnlt S ^elf t " ^^'^^ ' ' cause m your i.aper thp wZ; ^ Metliodist jjolem es, be- tionsof a%imilSc^ateteTfc'""V". ^^''^'^^^^^ l'n''iica- y weak and foolish ar^nenttr .wff '^-^ /'''''' ^^tonishing- have ever read anywhe?e if« .1 J^^^^^^.^nfant sjjrinklintr, I read such phantSaLoricalist^S^ ^>er, never, hate I appeared in"^ various works from "^"^^"T^^l^^"''^ "« ^^''^^ your denomination. Sulh subtiuS '"^ ^^. ^^^ ^^"^ers of rcsentations, so far as T Vn!., ^ ^'' perversions and misre,.- Methodistw^rkso, B ptism i wo Trl^ -"^"^'^ ^«"«"^'l 'o permit, to ^rive vou a W • " "^ '^ke just now, did space ^•i-sml have ftq;;;nt7rerredr\n'l"' ""T"''''^'^^^' ^^'*^ provide a large supnlv Ym, o • ' '^"^^^'^n^' letters, would several occasiLs, bee?;. died V^'""r*''^ •' " ^ ^'^''^ "^^-^^'^ on tender lambs fnun one who w^^ distant places to giard the not say wolves a once' TruW?'' i!^?"'- •^^^^PJ^erd' Why te^»I'^i^l deapatche.s calling 44 n.Hs.ons ,.f mercy «,„1 1„4 ' '""'<••"'"& e':|>™8e« on (hew. '■Ii'.-u- that }„„ liaveVr tt™ i ,.? ,„ ■ i ""'' '"^^''''''•■'' '« '-eini «. fe.l like aniwcring e \"X " von ^J""" T" •*°, '•^''••^' ^ '^"n '' l'ln,„'orinr»„^, ST!"'"' .'"'\V?vI f'' f"", "HasM So now, hi II emsm . If you cannot, or will not nL. A ^^ ^"'* ^Jate- <'f your learnerl brethren (lo so '„ ,v v "'' ^^'7,^'' ««»»« one I-rition to know, and if in a nosit on f T'"" ^^ ^^'""^ '•^'•^' '" ^ s.tion to answer. What e^ns tl ' '^T'' ^''^'^ ''''^ "' ^ po- I have now just oi)ene Move's ^T? thowon] ranti,o, the definit Jn ' • '"u ^ 1^35, at ; oes not give wet, or bis rffle^ or? T' '^ '^''^^^ ^^'^^ ^'-ovo thatword,andthitIhaTSL7h^A"^^'''^^^ '^ flefinition of a very sinij.le thin^ for me m. ^ ^^•^'''°°' ^^^^^f^ it not be t bat lexicon, to show tLS 'tl e dei"."' '^'"-^^'^ ^'^^^ ^ ^opy of «!«ely the same as thosf g ven bv g-? f^T ^^ "^^ ^^^ P^'^'- nitions of %,^,-^o as given bv Mv% • '^ ^ ^ '^'^ i*" tbe defi- 8'ven by the^ lexicon! lie ,S-w?-T\^",'^" definitions as '•I'Hl over again ; why is it thT' Zl'^'^K ^^' ^^^^" denied over .sj><>ken one^vordl7iust ficatto.rf v"' ^' ""^^ ^''y «"« else has has quoted correctlvlntn''^ ^''' conduct? Why if ho the sample rearon^deirs^ Zt^.?' "^^" ^^'« ^^^^^"-^' Fo bis defence. He has f ,!«/«' ^.^ "? ^"^ ^^^"^^ ^ word to sav in and you and your br^^^^^^^ ^^^^««"« and the Bible too the nc.xt best,L";orstl^^^^^ <^t^end i!L7o concerned,--stand speechlesf! ^' ^ ^^'' ^' *^^<^ "matter is Paradise. Youi-s truly, J. Brown. „ , LETTER No. 4. -iat/ dear jSir,— I hear you have been nnwAii t u covered and l^'epared to Zsu; lo^^' J-^" ^'^ "«^ q«ite re- .\ou will have seen by last ^r^oo time just tc!l us penseH on these i?ht refer, but ies it being so '•ei>Iy, I don't It fill the Mes- a little, I Avill "1, "Has Mr. '^ of his Cate- i lot some one them are in a ^T are in a j)o- mc ted silence? tion 1835, at " To wet, be- Ly that Grove flefinition of ould it not be I ad a coj)y of Y nie are pre- ^ if the defi. lefinitions as denied over ■ one else has Why, if he fence ? For rd to say in le Bible too, fend him, do at matter is • Brown. w quite re- jes, and to in your let- ur remarks ^^^gQ come 45 to nothin,j You will excuse me if I say that you caused me considerable amusement when rendini,' the followin.^ :— '' I nni mtormed that you ca.ne from the feet .»f Spurs^eon :" I do n„t mean that I was amused at the term " fr.)ni the feet of Spuna-on " but from what I anticipated when readin- it! A-ahl vart of your letters), as some one had misinformed you. To save vou from anv furtln'r mistake m the matter, I may say that I studied at Bristol Cuj- b>^e, England, under the Presidency of the esteemed and vene- rable Dr. Gotch. I confess to you, brother N., that there are tew men iving if any, that I esteem nu.re highly in love for heir works sake, than Mr. Si>urgeon. If there is an honest, haidworking, upright, downright, straightforward, broa^,'"'w'':itIM •■■''-''■ i.e V .;;'.:,,"';'' ;• ">"" '^.'.tlHM- ,.:;,';!• 'rv-^ « i "lomi Ko f-,r\. ^ ^ "olcoMi.. to the. Iiin-. „f '" '" ■" '"V -■'vfng. 'I'f,, "f I !" the tninis""; at the nf'",'"?' •'' '"••"' <""< ••"..1 a i,;s ';/-.r";"- ehu,.oh, si',"i:tt^:'';':'LV""' x.'Uiiio- un 1 • ) > ' ^'iich njusf if lu. v t . ^^^ nave a mmmm$ '"■ ^"<"- reachi„g this ^<"ii'(I to mo • '••'^''i/' must !,(. '"• J'JMnot, |> iJecjiust' (»iir <>I)('ii-c',)minu- "H't'tinrrs, i,j »t, i took the on 'nyrnind. '■^'<''^'i, thore M liko if yon I" of an oi»cii- ' "It", i ^Vhy '« <''nd not to f f*Iioul(l nn- on M'Jiat I'd I>lo, do vou i;>b()ard?"' L'cause if J > *"t at niv ij>board— I 'I '"7 dis- it is a dif. it two or N Bi-o. N., '^7 lie did I'lto about when lie ving read to this, liege dur- cb some uion, are -d a man oor, and u have a nister as "ey and 1 wiiich andidiy unban, ■eon m K Bro. shewn 3mm u- ig this 47 tho ,,r,M...ss 1„„ |,.,„, ,,v „„ ,„„„„ |„„.,.,„| ,..,-|^,,/;' I"-'""-. .U..I Bai)ti,sts. '''"•'"' «'lo.so.eommuniun 4. The IVdr.bai.ti.st ohurobos j.racf isin.. ubat tliev vnU l... to i,„ c,,,,rita.,ic. enough toniimr^ ' u ^ ,.'11; '::„;:"'•' I 6. That Baptists, by ndniittinond; of OnErSlSjr ^'^^"'r "---^' the ■••".v stronger thnn they n re now '^ ""' ^^^^^'^^^^ ^^ "^'-^^1^' tl.c^-. J n^ thenli^:;!?:;;'^! ^ v1^ Jj^^ ^« t^^ -—ion, .s.-ned, nIt],ough in Vou fir t S£^n ^' "nbaptized are un- V(M, to be stnctlv i^Ml-to hi t)!n "'^>i«" «^y that -with '>nlk of Christians\are^ nnbel evei^rS --\«te"t,-the your conch.sion, not ours We Sd fllTr'^'^^^^ ^'^ < imstians, and all Christians to bp]J- believers to be unbaptized believers to bri'vin^Ynd^^^^^^^^^ ""' ^'^« ^'^^^ '"^H "s a plain and distinct commrn|o?ChH^t •'"'' '" ''^^'''' '' ^o tl'e fact, it is disobedience ZietborJ' ^^""'"•'^nt or not of '-t'. we and they holdinof Chri t as o, r Vf ''J^' 'H^ .^''""^ ^ime "H-nt the ground of our'hone ond w^m ''''' '"'^'^ ^'« ^^one- exist between us and t Imu n .'.oin^ ^^/^^certain differences "o small importance, w^ ire th s 0?,^' ^^'"'•'^^' >'^^ ««'"« «f -.'f with Z TnuMntfl?.: .r "°"?^■"' -"■ t'-"..sc.lve» '•l"so-co,nm..„ion, ^ "* maintamnig the priudplcs of ^..s?;wh;;^^:;"™riiv™\7;efs:t°'" ?^"™"""«- - -" j""fc.., to ro,„.,.se„t, o,™v A^^in^the ^„^" "-"f ™- ^ "^o "»' ln'i-smis whatKoever "• "' •■"'> porson or "H. to witness the husba ^ >e?W ^ ' ' • ' '' ^'^' "^^''" I^«^"«''J ••"Vl the wife lc.^aving,T;vV;Z'^^^^^^^ ;;^i^ing- part in the pSbl ^ sV,^[eT,s wal th ^^''^^"^^^^' "'""^^^'^ Sundays ago in connection w th'mvse?f ^ aT ^'^" ^' ^hree leave when the Lord's Supper was^toL 1 ^^''", ^" ''^^^^ ^o s»-, I.A/« it, but when we W ZTaI ^!i °^^^^^'*^f^- I admit, ^^•e believe to be just a^d r S oJtT^' ^'hinciples, which .-"■"'/• "theh,j.fr w:r/uts'vruTa%7,f^^^^^^^^^^^ d not ours, iversal, the •y be made onimunion, zed are un- ;hat "with stent,— the " which is 'ers to be io hold all what is to or not of 5anie time ^^is atone- lifferences t Home of istinct as e heart — 'inces on primitive ot in ac- ikI there- eniselves leiples of as well do not srson or ertainiy pained linance, iiinister r three lave to admit, which aside, 3ience, IS, not nkling 49 I will fi„„h my remarks on this subject by mvii,.' vou wli-,f Dr^TjUmage .ay» about Baptists an,l otiose eormnu.Sj, Jtnrk Jnst 80 Mr. Talmage, it «« unreasonable; hut don't von *,.„ Wr„';r"'T.';^""" ^I-inklmg to bo bap;isu>;i™T,l,e'° , com-lu^iou 7 B™. N™"'"" '°' *'" ^'°— ''™«-in.,. Con,,,a,v We will now turn to the baptism question, and your views that, by standing ni the water during the time neeesAr f, r n.is laia Mmi aside from his work and mav cirrv IW,,, ♦ . i ■ grave He is a Methodist withal-the nio^e ?he Ly " '" JSy this last remark it appears that if it had been ■, !?.,. f; » minister who had thus taken eold and w is M asMe f " 1 i work, and likely to be earried to his grave by it it l„ ,„ have mattered so much. Well, perhfps not[ they a e eon erably ,„ the way of some people, t hope however he I os rnd":;St?S^m":tt"d"^^ " ''"^-"^^ '^^^- aVt-ll^crl^tu'i':^ At tasTT ■" ""^ "''"•'? "",f S<-ni"» of the Chris aie",!, At least this IS my jrosition." The " we " at the bcnui n f Iffh- '^^ yo^.sP^'^'^ of yourself m the first person iust nftor If this, then, IS the position of Methodists o i tlu" e"^m e.* >i s (and a^an editor yon are supposed to know), then I ask • What 'Mi ml 50 \\';'j^9'.'^^\^^^t Boston Methodkt minister in the water ^ tlung worn., shew me not to act the hypocrite a"ain But supposing this good brother and "fceloved mfiSer" he IS ,)?' '" "'"' ""y "*' 'l''3 h" not. like a sensible man ti, ™ £"'!"■' '•"'''' '" ^'"' ^'''"' 0* t'-e Methodists of Nova Sco- ^^L3 i'f ■.""""T'""'' >"""-^ '" particular, wh^ist «% *s »«, I ask you, that your ministers sometimes immprsp and yon record such immeiions in the WeslevZf """"^''^; write to me about the inconsistencies of t^e fest crfed m •0 :v:rh''e r of a™Rift"'f ^ ^°''"^"- ^''^ »d wle'rf d d r.rav Baptist minister sprinkling? Tell me, I l„tC?!f '?' 7°" ''*'■"' '''•"• Nicolson, that that part of vour „„t7ookVer*';?id?cT"^ '"r"^'"" ""i^^- "<«-'-•" ji.e .rrt'rxi'h ^t^:i:T.QTT^\ziT:^. 'n ixipiibth in preparing for baptism— which Drecantinn« T ;;^ :•{!"' r,,v'"''j'^ *"? ■* '"^^ >"■' <•"'- -rSy™; OK ti —you say "Ihe utmost powers of human invention e;:^;ntii£^:;:itcrc;'"^'Tr;t/f.;\'''^'^''"' ;,i^.. .4" +1 1 .,•'.„ ^^ ^"» ^vnat, 1 ask vou is vonr ulea ot the human mmd, if its "utmost powers" are remS vours as I have never known .^ Cand ho p^'it nevmi^fU' th".^ to call fortl, the exercise of the " , tmo t powers of hu CIS f V "";"'' '"'™ '•"'"= P"y »" yourself, and on you ireai eiN iiuil do not so expose yonr folly vou h'df'^nT''''''"!'' "'"' '" y«'''terday's Wedeyan (July 1,3th) UMi h I f apo ogize to your readei-s for havuig written so n, .el, by stating w.th reference to anything you m^ ^t say (whfch 3 water? — )e " foreign It looks ind sprink- le and am e Christian 1 or some- ain. lister " be- res to bap- isible man, )ld? The or a Meth- ;ion of tlie N^ova Sco- vhy is it, immerse, Do not creed till *vhere did 'ell me, I of your diculous, generally ; no argu- >ns taken lutions, I ntly and iivention imits of is, your required g water, ^uess of is], rub- sink the in these ^ of hu- idicule ? ur read- iy 13th; much, (which 51 for your own sake, the less said the better) : "We promise our readers [perhaps you mean leaders] not to take up much space with this controversy." This looks to me, sir, like an apology, and that some of your readers (or leaders) seem to think you have written too much, and that possibly some one has sent you a word of caution, which I am informed was done during a former discussion of the baptism question between myself and a Presbyterian brother. They see it is not safe to allow you too much scope. It also seems strange to me, Bro. N., that while before vour late Conference you had so much to say,-siNCE thIt you say 80 very little Why have you collapsed so suddenly? Did some venerable brother whisper a little advice into your ear? or hold up his fore-finger and look stern at you? or <^ive hi< cane a gentle shake in your presence and for your benSfit and that ot the denomination you so efficiently represent? Three numbers of the Wesley an have appeared since that Conference, K^Kf . ^""l" .''• r""^ *^ ""^y occupies about six lines and a halt ! .' But to this I shall refer again at the close of this letter And now, my good brother, you must not be frightened when 1 tell you that you, the Editor of the Wesleyan of Halifax the representative of a large number of good, learned, and influen- tial people— occupyxng, as you .lo, two of the most important positions a man can occui)y, and who should therefore be fully abreast ot the age,— you, sir, are about sixteen hundred and twenty-seven years behir.^ he age!! Your ideas of baptism 7"^%^? "" V ^'•'^''' '^^""^^ ^'^^^ "^ ^^'^ *™e oi" Novatian, A.u.i^i Youmaint.._* „iiat under no circumstances must baptism be put aside. The same idea prevailed then. You say to me: "You emphasize the great Apostolic Commission, but you refuse to carry it out in all particulars. * He that be- heyeth and is baptized shall be saved.' You insist that this settles the question of adult believers' baptism. But there have been mstances to my knowledge, in which you neither could nor would baptize believers on profession of their faith. I re- fer to sick and dying penitents. What provision have you for such cases? None at all! And yet the Commission stands, Me that beheveth and is baptized shall be saved.' " JNow, what does all this amount to but your belief that bap- tism IS m some way connected with salvation, and must not under any circumstances be dispensed with. You are quite in harmony with the views of John Wesley and Rev. D. D Currie and many others. (I hope John Wesley will forgive me for placing his name so near the author of the famous Catechism.) 10 the sick and dying it must be administered somehow, if not m the bcriptural way, then in some other, but bv no mpnn.M m i 62 ^o,,vedo „ot, but God doesarfd if i™'' 'V»'S Vomient'. '•""..nau.l», and in the way he oomn 1,^! T^r' ''° ''•"«" !■'> lis to. In His Word 1 road .. rf fl ^^'l"* ''°™ ""t «l>ect ■t i.s aoco,,tod according to thTt I ,nl7l\f'''\^ ^"^"'<^ "''»t to that ho hath not." % To, x i-' " ''""'' ""' "<>' aeoordii.J «;.ll acoopt tlie ,vill for 'the doed ^^LTIT f-S •''"" "'^ I'""' Unvid n, t^^o matter of building'th^tlple'"^ The'l^, ''?", "' mm . Wliereas it was ia thine honvtf^u ni ^"^^'^^ «'"'^ to my name, thou didst well (i^t "t ,1"; i , ti.-^"^\'^ *''" '^«"^^' ""to vn. 18. On the same princ nL Jht "Ik^'"^- ^^^^"•*'" ^ Kini^s, but not tlie oppoitiinitrto bl hni t- ^ ?'^ '" *'^^ willingness but slight alteration might be arie?'^^^^^^ '^'^' '^^'**^« ^^'^tl li^\art to be baptizedinmynamp t ? ' ' ^J^^^^^asit was in thine t^^Hie heart." I supp'S ^oTb ^^^^^ was in pnvid's place, and not being^Se to buflrl^h'^.''''^^i' ^'^'^ ^^^^'» i" l^ave made a little temple'cS" cHv or I .^"^ *''"^'^"' ^^^^ ^^«"I^1 which first gave rise toVouli'Ld srS' '" '^^' P""^^1>J« ioi- baptism; namely, if we cannof Z .^i ^^ '"^ f ' ''^ ^"^^^^^^^ manded,we will get as near to t n« *^"« ^« the Lord corn- make a toy temple^ as a substitute for fTf '""-, ^^^'^^^ ^^^^^ ««t s.r, and your rlenominatioi'w Ulf o^L ' h'"'^^' ^'^*^^^' '^"^ ^'«« or God s command to immerse foiwW^ "^ ^ ^^^ substitute T^l r'-,— "^us^bTXe'^Td "n^i^^^^ ^»^^-»^- ail , and that when or where thp^ 1 . , *^*^ ^^ ''^^ or not at d'r " '"™"''™ - ^<^ p'-:'hTt :irat^pt t st ,;;: ■'oJhc': yt^t':^. jL:To,?:r;h*"t7' ^tt- ^■' ">- - ■■'Wor.rs, more or loss, in all Methn2r - b»Ptism. ., This ^^•■>-- It comes out i„ Rev M.n- T'^'ig" '"'at I liavo Turn ti No, 740.'"^^ th?^.r;irii':twT™"^^'^ '''™" ' Thtae own grla"; t'™-™^! aid ^e cl.aim; „ The childtai, iSd iu to Tf PP"™ • Partaker of ThViata c" Sal'f '""'"' Mnk n , ?*""''"""'" ™ne image hack. «'-• ^ Kinnfs, willingness >e sickness, ivords with 'as in thine t it was in 1.1(1 been in you Would princi])Ie substitute Lord coni- id did not f? but you substitute knowing or not at quires no ill for the (< 58 Father, if such Thy sovereign will, It Jesus did the rite enjoin^" That conditional "If ' is well put in. Wesley may well say "It, although just before, he calls :,, God's " own -iLt ordiif aiice.") Mark well the next four lines : '^ " ^"'l^V'^^y hallowing Spirit's seal, And let the gnice attend the .sion: The seed of erdless life impart; Take for Thiue own this infant' s heart. Take a verse or two from hymn 476 : 4. " Josus with us Thou always art, i-tfectuate now tlie sacred siijn; Tlie gift unspeakable impart, And bless the ordinance divine. 5. Eternal Spirit, descend from InVh J3apti/p" of our spirits, Thou r llie sacramental seal apply And witness with the water now." And again in hymn 477, the same idea appears : " See a sinful worm of earth ! Bless to him the cleansing flood ' 1 lunge him, by a second birth, Into the depths of God." ,voS'' "'" '""■'* "^''"'^'^" ^ ''"^" "^ *''" i» friends fe- that ,t W.8 i,„,,„»8ible to immerfh^r/ *"?«"»• ■'""' 6n,Cg on hnn, so a« to come ■,« n^n,- • '"' '"^^ ''•■«' "••iter „o,n-ed was canoaperf,,sion%t\n"Zei ^2)" "^ ''r''''^'- TLis -tJi'o. :N ., the root of the error W ^^P^^^^^^iets. Here you see ma reoenoration. CvpHan .v^r^"^^ '".^^^•"^^' "''^moly^ajti ! fechi..d that he con^^j e7poinin5 '" J^^^ «"^J^ct of baptL , o be va]i<] baptisn,, for wherone^],;;"'^"' '"'^^ ^ireunisJances ng; Ins o,,inic>n, ^heth^r e thoui^^^^^^^ ^^'^'"^^ '^ bin, ask- sickness or infinnity, o«]y 3' ""^'^^ ''^^ ^^ero, through be hiwtully baj.ti^ed; he sai,i' hn u a^'? '''' «I>n»l. Whereas you say thl .n •'^'" ^i^"^ ^^^^b some to the praefice ^'tized, und ini- ept that in the e sick was per. woulil not ne. psy arose con- '»pl« affusion ; ^hen necessity "litation. Jt cient practice, y on Baptism, 65 us shoukl dread that which God has made ; for, although an infant be newly born, yet he is not so as that we should dread to kiss him. Infants ought the more readily to be received to the remission of sms, because not their own, but others' sins are re nutted to them. Wherefore, dearly beloved, it is our opinion that from baptism, and the grace of God, who is merciful and kind, and benign to all, none ouG^ht to be prohibited by us which as It 18 to be observed and followed with respect to all' JO especially with respect to infants, and those that are iust born, who deserve our help, and the divine mercy, because at the first instant of their nativity, they beg it with their cries and tears. Apud Cyprian, Epistola 59. §. i>, 3, 4, pp. 163, 165. mere IS a hne deliverance from sixty-six grave bishops! and this chicken hatched by them, hae been nursed, fed, and tended till the present day. There is one thing about those men however, that differs from those who hold the doctrine of bap tismal regeneration in these days ; they were more consistent and merciful, for they held that the child should be baptized as soon as it was born, and if baptismal regeneration be a true doctrine, then why leave the sprinkling oi tlie child till it is some weeks or months old ? Why run such a fearful risk ^ I hope by this time. Brother N. you see where you stand, and how near your view of baptism accords with that of those in Novatian s time. Before quitting this subject I will give you a brief quotation from Dr. Green, Englaml :— » Infant baptism came from the loctrine of baptismal regeneration. The two arose in the Church side by side, and there is not a passage from any Christian writer for the first fou:- centuries, that can be alleged for Pedobaptism, that cannot be alleged for baptis- mal regeneration." See "Kind Questions," l,y A. M. Stalker, p. 67, London, Stock. From " The Act of Baptism," by Rev Hiigh Jones, D. D., President of Llaugolen College, Nortli Wales, 1 extract the following, which, from a careful study of the subject, I most heartily endorse, being true to the very letter. ^ " Froni the whole, it is evident,— (that is, from the writings ot the h athers on the subject.) ^ 1. That the belief that baptism was essential to salvation gave rise to sj)nnkling. 2. That pouring or sprinkling was not considered to be scriptural, but deemed to be defective, since those that were only pertused, (or poured over) were objected to as candidates tor the ministry on that account. 3. That sprinkling, as a mode of baptism, is therefore from men. It began in error ; it is founded u])on superstition ; it is destitute of Divine authority. When the absobitp. sunremacy i: 56 XV :M") "I'l'""^' l*« •■>" tl'o tT,„l,t,o„a of mo„. (Matthew >""<■!, „p„n vo,„4if' '" ^'"'^ "S.-"" or not, will ,Iepc'«d ven- Hiake any ro.narl V.non Wh n r ^^ contemptibly mean to tie scheme ^ T wil \ . • " '^''^ >'°" ^o"«««t th.s neat lit- ti-nt in;r.iii^::;i ; :^::;- ^- jt ^n-.f"'-^^^ ^^-^ --^i "•^'"t in Ins, if he will but pc^nt them on I 17 ' M?'^ r'^^"" '•cndy, and as to frnVf u.r , • ' ^'■''^'^■' ^^'''^ ^^'^"^ that al- I hav:. wa teV too mi^^^^^^ Brother Nicholsor, I'lnn of UMiii I me- n%ir r , T" '''"'/^'^^ ^''^'^ ^his littlJ to liijhtthat both vo an! "h^in 7''"'''^^' '' '^'"^^^ '^^ P^^'^^^h which I have h U-e h < ' H 1 "r^' '^"""^'^ ^" theqiestion this idea nbon M C '' 4 " aS^ ^"'''"^^^^•- ^"^ answered his lette rs '' o 1 fl.. !f ""'^^ ^"^ ^"^ " ^^^^^ I ^^ve n certain fis to draw aw I f/^^^^^ that he too has been cooking lexicons, nor o SiL a »br ^^ ^^''"^ anything about the him. Wha smal Tondn. • '"^^^ ^'' ^^'^ ^''^ ^^^«er I sent subterfugLsomeof £ ' n/'^'^T"- ^^'^^ bricks and By the way, Bmther N bofn • f .'""^ ^^',*^ '''''^'^ detection! ;^:::iaT£^J!^r"^ir-""-^^-S^^ ffettino- to ip?" ,V2.f ^^^ y^" and Brother Currie orf ? I am ad S and do not'i^S %^''% • ^"^ ^^^^ ^o" -re off/b^ more. "'^^^^^ '^'^^^ gndirons and red herring any 67 II list vanish (Matthew e present; pencl very ^flitorial in enger may ? it in full : when Mr. hem! coni- -' same in- the Wes- e up much bombard- •u ai-e go- o dej)lor- niean to « neat lit- lis much, ery argu- 11 not un- c that al- 'icholsoi , this little o plainly question T. And >n I have cooking rs of the 8 placed bout the sr I sent icks and tection ! you for )metime hand to I wa^j not at all Huri.nsod to read tliat at a recent Cnference, Mr Lurne tailed to make a speech, when called upon, althcu.d. the flattermor position he was placed in l,v his l.i-ethivn, should have rendered it botli an easy and a pleasant dutv. How cnul,! he with the ghosts of those lexicographers summndin- him, and frowning darkly because of tlie injustice lie had done them by making them say what they never did V The wonder wis not so great that he did not make a speech, but that he could hnd his way to tJie place where his more honorable brethren were assembled. But since he did go, it seemed most heart- ess, when, by way of escape, he asked his brethren to sin- .o^tnfti /r^' ?^'\Sp'-ag"e thoughtlessly and cruel] v sug: gested that they should begin at the second verse :" "See the miglity host advancing, Satan leading on," etc. The brethren, we are informed could not sing for laiudiino- • well, I appreciate a good laugh myself, but if those brethren' had but realized the seriousness of the position in which Mr C. stood, as a man who had falsified dictionaries as he had and stood by his dreadful work, falsified and perverted tlie IJil.le which they all profess to love, and made statements which' were utterly and absolutely false ; if, I say, thev had but rea- lized this,— then if they had wept instead of lauo-hed, it would have been more ap])roi>riate. There is « a time to lau-h aiul a time to weep," and while a laugh was very excusable iust then,^ most certainly was it also a time to weep, when tliev inust or might have known that one of their number had strayed so tar away from the paths of truth and uprightness, as ]Mr c'\ writings all too clearly show he has. ' • • ■ In the face of all the exposures made, and the tenacity with which he clings to his false statements, and the support' which you an Editor and a Minister give him in connection there- with, 1 do not wonder so much as I once did that there is such a thing as infidelity in the world, when such thinos be- come known. Did I judge of religion by some of its professed triends and defenders, I should consider it to be somethino- that It would be ]ust as well to be without. I write thus strono-ly because "I hate and abhor lying" and deceit with all tVe powers of my nature, and may the gracious Lord ever deliver eHh r "' '' "^e^'cifully forgive me if I am guilty of I have now almost finished, but before doing so, I shall ad- dress a lew faithful words to you both. Brother Carrie : You are a minister of the Gosi.el, and as such yoii are under obligation, as you state in the preface to your published letters to " minister the doctrines of Christ as lis 58 'i'n^;;;::V;:'l;an;s;:r;';^:iv:i^ \ "^^'^' '''' ^" ^-^''f'" 'f-ni,u.. ...ntnuy o Go r w n"^ all en-oneous an,l strange Ih-cm .loin.r? Vou hMve t M -I . ■ •^'''^' '''''•'^ '•''^•^* Vou '•^t'ViMitv; mMl vou /v/o,^ von ul.JJ ^^^ "'^ *''"'' •'"•*' Vou have, u.oit u-ilf , V v/c l.li ;'';"■ ^^■•'^^'•"''"^•^ '-"V fals... M.nn tn-tM- .aw thc'ro "<''tl'er you nor any oihor livm^r nl.on;i;:;;;ir;^, tl^:;jl-;:;;;5[ho seven things that are an this niat.(T,v<,u have (^4n•itHlvm^.^^^^^^^ ^""'' conduct in tl.y of both 'offices Yo .. L ' w ''' '''">" ""^^''^y ""^^'<>''- It, It onl fui-thcr allows vnm .fi? "*^^' '"'J if you ,lo nut kno\v wu f;,iiil n.,t Jii, , """'""J- "•' «e li.ive receive.] n.erev l"Mi-,v,\,,,fk, re;,ft"""'°'' '''*', ''''1''^^^ things „f,ll' ^1 of Go,l.-' " " '-l^"'" "ei, man's conscience in the sight of fe.n^™i:;r;t:n:^^:;;";::fi^<;™ j-'.fi'- t"™"" "^ "-' -"< «iU Hm.1 these w.-i'Ss itlli'co, iv 7'.;'""""g ' '"^'"il'ulate.I, you ;"n'.r;!:iy':^;;;Sa:ct^t.S^^ir^r'- .'::'f.!:;;i'4r, :,c,,rve''^' ^°'- '"t - '■" s,iLt.;r •,, 4: .-.". ..o,.e,ess„ a, JrofSh&^Cl SSVir 59 do Methodists nor Methodism fh.. injustice nnd ^^\,„,^' of cl i,,., ^^ou, ,u»l especially you Brother ^'urrie, as ' lli, 're;,;.,!:',';;;': Your illustrious Morley Punshon durini; the s,Lii,e trie,.tin,,« simke s„u,e«lu,t ,les,,„„,lingly „f tl„. ^etr,t^.ru' !,.-,,? thirty ..„.., .l^n;l^:'k,hS;ri,x,::r ; ;::, -^ housed in other folds." (Sva O/iriHiayi ^./-i . i' : ' JjUy, 1878, pages 7 and if)). T^ W ;If r^''^ r^^H ;: ^;ot^ ?''"'' w^m'^"^^^^'* '="»»>«" like the ^h-th,,, is s i w; Scotia have. Won d it not be well to send your addiv. t.. Ar, Punshon ; and should he send for you, I will pron st ,nd I know my brethren will, too, that h4 will not to u h asoii trv too long, otherwise you may be suddenly called home ' And now, Brother N. inclosing, I will quote feu* wonls from the close of your letter to me _" My lea Brothe ,' ing with you but you have thrown down a challemre 1^' • attribnf , .'t. ti ^ ^''? ^'^''" somewhat severe it is soldv attnbutable to the course of conduct Mr. Curric and vou )r v.. been pursuing, and if you ever find me makin " tVtoment which are false and pervertin<' the BibU. or hift:. else who may be doiiig so, I^ " ';^..;' ^ d^ of ^C hs'h ten?>n '"'" T ^r^'. >'«" ^"" perniissfon o ; .. X ^h tenfold more heavily than I have laid it on either you or Ml. iu. And it I have misrepresented you or your cree.l in any particulais I am very willii^g upon your po ntb" it o o And If Mr. Currie should see this, I will take upon rnvZutn advise you both that henceforth you play the man , in?. L ter than you have in the course Ji thii c^ntp^cL"^^^ m^ all your teachings and conduct be more woitTrof the W positions you occupy. ^ "^S" Yours truly, John Browx. Dear Editor -Since sending you the above I received a notefrom a brother who had written to Harper Brother. Kew York (publishers of the American edition of Liddle an, konZ Greek lexicon, and Methodists besides, 1 am tol T re Le " the charsre made bv Mr r,.r.^;^ ^e r>„._.. . ''^';»/\'^ptciing the charge made by Mr. Currie, of Baptis*-. lexicon. ' ^ " "' luthatm^r that 69 riu.y 8nv, « You i.iay he aMsurt.,1 Ihut the work in miostion s . ntuvlv tree tnmi the char^re to which you refer ^ I Ihmv has never heeu one vvo, <»ne luiNtpie.stion- od the proof. In Mr. Carrie's Catechism, p'aj-v HI, oeiairs'the f I (oh idl o\\. in>( in reference to UomanH vi. 4. and Colossi: "What is the innnersionist exegesis of the j.asKaKeH^just .iiioted?" (The term "immersioniHt" m used by Mr. C. for •'I{ai)tisf) " Im- mersionists teach that the Kreat change of heart indicated in tho.se pa.s.sageH (Romans vi. 4, "Buried with llim by bai.tism," etc ai d C< 1- os.s,ans n: 10-12. " IJuried with him in liaptism - i' .icco'm 1 shed tluouf^h immer,sum in water; that..ne is baj.ti;..! int.. Tesus Chris and into IIiH death by immerHion in water; that inunersi .ii jn water 18 meant by putt.n- olY the body (,f the sins fit',,, flesh ov tlecir- cumcision of 'hrist, and burial with Christ, and L.-ini..' riser, with Ilim. VVluit radical error is apparent in the immorsioni.s ■ yr-csis" 1. The immersionist exegesis of the passages uiM.r consideration, teaches the doctrine of regeneration througli the bai)tisni ' f wat •■ vvhereas the Bible teaches ttlia regciicrati<.n can only be ettected through the work-the baptism of tlPe iroly.Sj.irit ^ ttlic ted 2. Immersionists misconceive the design of the Ai)()stle. who doeK not, either in the pa8.sages just quoted, or elsewhere, attril)ute to ban- tisni with water a renewing or regenerating power. Paul attributes f.Vw'^r/ "* regeneration to the IlOly Ghost which has been abun- aantly shed upon them. Can you quote some passages from writers who have held tlie ini- nensionist theory,, and who have suppo.sed that the spiritual regeiie- waJer? ' ' '"""*''' '' ^^"'^''*''^ *^"'"*"^^'' *''« ''''l'^'-'^'" "^ Dr. Cramp gives some specimens in his Catechism: Amhrow :—" In the font there -s a transition from the earthly to the heavenly. This is the Passover, that is, the sinner's passing-over- e H^m^iSrZl ^.i'":V"'" '*? "/^, ^?-''' ^^'"'t ^'' -''^^'''•' *■»■'"" pollution to sanctitication. — {('ramp's CrJcchi-vu, p. 20.) r//r//.so.s7o,;/.— • Christ has given baptism as a kind of antidote against poiM,n,s;aiidso allmalu^cis e ected, ami the fever is (.uenrhed. and ^^dC''"'' r^'"' ";-•, V-'e are clayey before baptism ; after ii we are golden. —((_ i-iUiip ,s Cafefhhvn, p. 2(). ) Jerome.— '^In tlie laver the old Adam altogether dies, and the new one smised up together M'iMi Christ: the eartldv perishes and the s Mr^ce- le-stial is horn." -(Cranp\<, (Mechhnu p. 20.) ^ ^ Ihree ot^hers follo', of the same nature as the loregoin.", namelv Pauhnus. Bede. and Campbell. He omits Gregory th? Great S What woukl be the imi)ression upon the ordinary rea/ler from readinlr the fZ? H 7;;"^'^ '' r^ ^'' l^'-"^ ^^''^'^''^^ ^^^^^^^ '» baptismal regenera- tion? that they endorse the statements above ■ " ' ^ qu< that Di I APPJKXDLV. .__On_tu,„i„K t„ „,,«. 2,1 in Dr. C-amp-, Catcclmm we fln.I (1,0 f..ll„w- •■an.pWll, allliouKl.ta Mr cVJrie'f cttecl,^ ?/■'"'' ' "? ""' '"'""' " i'Lil'l'^r'S: Js™i!;';;Sl^r f - !r -"'-'Sir that (liose extracts cxn "is tl I,S i.;/ '^'" '"y,' ''■!' "«" "'""'iK ists recoil frc.u, the extravu. ,VV w^^fv f " evanfrelu-al immersion- allow t],e toll ; vS to irS^ S^^^^ >I'-- ^'"n-ie teach that the ^rea^ oiiam^e of lirt ,n Ln/L7-'''^lV ^"'"'ei^ioni.sts complished tln?>uffh immerlnfn water ''^ '" "'^'^ passages is ac- fashion shown above a^t^l^r^ojfl^tjr i^l'^rj^^K.^I;: J. B. E. H. S. Flood, DEALER IN ^inerican Household Furniture, 58 KING STREET, SAINT JOHN. N. B. W. BHUOKHOF. DEALER IX Pictures, Mirrors, Brackets, Fancy Goods, Mould- ings, Holly, Walnut and other Fancy Woods for Brackets. Wholesale and Retail. Picture Framing a Specialty. 58 King Street, St. John, N. B. §% ^Bf£^i^ MERCHANT TAILOR, 99 GERMAIN STREET. (Opposite Masonic Hall,) A full stock of goods in all lines, suitable for the trade. constantl*' on ho.nd'^ 1 i^oBiisrsoiisr's Phosphorisei Emulsion IKKOIHTKKKI) T1!.\1>K MAUK.) -OK- COr)-T.TVl]K OIL, WITH LACTO-PHOSPHATE of LIME I'dlt PULMONARY CONSUMPTION, Voutihm, BioiiiiiiliH, Aphoiiiii, «hroiii«- Klirmnntiwii, f.o«« of !V«'rvouf» I»«Mer, ISein'ral l><-bility, E3^-^OI.i^TI03>T, CKOKULA, S('U..FVM)l H AND SYPHILITIC iL-KKS. UkKKTS, AMKNoIiUlK AN.KMIA, l.Kr((.HUH'"' ^''^^ v V.,. , v ... wlu. iiiv:ilUi".t<'ard.vv.- al'll sins, UV..! it a d.itv to t.H yun ..f what, nndrr a kind IToyidcn.'... yonv liivparation lias done for m.'. Wisliiiiu yon I'V.Ty siic-.'ss. A:.'., iVi . For sale by Druggists and General Dealers. Price $1 per bottle; six for ^-b, VHI'TAKI-Il SOl.KIA' UY J. H. ROBINSON, Chemist, Si. Joiin, N. 8. / M. S. HALL, DEALER IN (^ JL ? MUSIC, ROOM PAPER," &C, &C., c&C. N.B.— I have lately opened a Sinciersr in connection with my busniess. Call an.] see Samples. QUEEN STREET, - FREOERICTON, N. B. OPPOSITE NORMAL SCHOOL. JACK'S NEW BUILDING, (Nearly Opposite Y. M. C. A.) 11 OHAk^OHE STREET, ST. JOHN, N. B., LIBERAL \V Discount CASH I-MI'OUTKR OF Harilf are aid Carriase StocL PAINT, OIL, Class, Putty, ISfails, Lead, STEEL, SAWS, .He. ANU WHOLESALE i. !l