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OF IHI'
Hon. J. J. C. ABBOTT
I.KADKK OK Till-; SKNATI'!
CI.OSINCJ THI.
DEBATE ON TRADE RELATIONS
MARCH- 15th, 1880
OK THK
IIOX()FJ.\|?L|.:j. J. (J AHMOTT
LEADER OF THE SENATE
Hon. Mr, AHfJO'lT— I I,....,. „,...,, ,
-bid. has 1... i.t u"; "" '''"""' '"^ '" "-' -"*
which h. iwj 0x1 :, : rr*;''' ■•'"^-•"^ -"-•"•'- into..,
amount ,,I..o,U..„.o Ms.una.os ^ ;„: ^ , T ^""'"^'■'•- ''^J-
w^.i^^i.iMo,.oai.tH,.uto.n. v!.;r;::;i;!:;;,i;;:'--'^«^»
the pains an.l as 1 , . .i ■T^^"; '" ••^'"M>linu.n,in,. hi,.. ,.,,.„
It is not o^4,y wh n '";:'"r',''r '•'•"■•'^" '^ ^-^-- the JiouHo.
what n,a, .i: i^.^;; L d'' ^ > '' ^-"""^ ^"^'--•<"■
appreciate the im .orfuKv „/,,"'''"'"'' *V "''P"'''*"' *''' ^^«
on similar occuHons. ' ^^ ! '1 .'J''; ''''"i""'": ^"" ^'"'"-- -»-»
o!^eha..ai... an., in .-o::!.; ^ • ,::;^; 7 : ^^'^^ ^-Tone
on the Hnl.ject of tlu. ,lol,,te f .. n . . '''""" '" '"^''^■^'
not know that i .hall om,;^^ ? I"'''^'"''^^'. ^hat I do
mutter in isHuo. In elr do ,1 ■ '"T •'!'''''^' ••'■•■'^'''^' ''^ ^''«
-. The .ubjecf has been diHoussed a no ^ ,' -'^ '*"'' '' '^^
<-e.7 point ha. l,oon taken a,.H fo lowed k"' "'"'""'' =
<'offnizant of the details , f ,1. , "•.•/"''^^^^ '^P by men who are
havo I. ir>!ill«'.l u|M.i, ...y hur.. iVummIV i.-.ii.o. to tl.. yAuy ni xhv
rm.nt.y. an-l its |M.>ilinM, havo Ikh-u fully Hll^w.•ml. .a.li l.y a l«'»»<'n
a.tuallv sm ."Xl.e't in ili.' matli-r n{.<.i. ulii<h I..- >l."li.S am! tl.t-
MtatistU.. wl.i.h l.a.vr U'i'U .,i-.oH>aiy l- ol.Hi.latc th.- ar-ununt - ut
J.on, ^....tl.M.H.,,. I.av.. W.U i.xhan.tivHy .i""'"' '^'"« ' •";"/''^-
mvM'lt >i. tlu" ,,..-iii.MH.ilKMnu'al.solul.'lyan.l ..iM|.iahfu-liy mial.!-- tn
way OIK' wditl that i" now.
■ If inayl.fa.U.-l: Whv. tl.on. trouMr H... Iln....> will. a.ll^(•oarH,^
tlM.Hu!.staM<Tofwhirhl.Msalira<lylMTi.vir(uaily.l.lix.-iv.l7 1 rt-ply
that 1 vvi.-h t..,,l:ur W'Xnn- tl.. lln.iM.. at tl.r link of tati«a.n- it, M.y
uwnviovv of Ihi. qaostioa. I Iw.vr n.v.i- ha.l an ..p|.o,t an.ly ot
tl„iu., so 1 ,1 ! propo-*' •" -r" '"• ""^^' "' "">■ ^"*'"' '''""'•'' "' '
,lo wl.h to s.af. in a ro.m.i-t.-.i ton... my i-Ua ofth. lim' po.Mtion
oftl,i<<-ountrv.ofthc naluiv ot ii-' I'-licy, ot Hk' ol.joct.oi.s to it,
.j„.l ,.n!.f ntll.T sul.io.-ls whirl, havi- I'tTi. .Imwi. ua.N'r dHCUHs.oi,,
involvinii M.,m- rxpan.ioh nftl.t- p-uvi.'U- ..! ihr noticv o\ iny ho,,.
tVifiid tioni MidlaiKl. , • i
Now as to inv hou. trioii.lV .ohU-i.tioM, aa.l hi> ivasoiis tor it, 1
do not think thrn.ran W n.nH. .louht of tlu-ir MMindiirs.. Thoir
Hno.loal.t whatovrr. in n,v tuind ai Ml cvonts, that wc- may lar-oly
,.x,mi.lo..r ,;aa.. will, thf .oai.tiifs ho roh-rs to, a.wUor th.^ ivlm,,,;
ahno-t c.v."•vtl.:..-^'o p.o,iuc'o is K,nu'lhin,ir whi.i. they iv.pmv. and
win. I. tlu-V do not produce. Alniont ovo.y.hin- they pnnlace .h
HOM,.-thin-\vhi.h we .eMuiie. and whnh we do not prodme. Wo do
,„. pioduee sn^rar, ...tlee. .nhl.er, the iine w Is of Ikazil, nee,
and the nuinevous other produetionsof tn-pieal eountnes. We have
not tho advantage that the rn.te.l Slate^ possess, in havn,^' almost
,„ unlimited variety of elimate. We know that the eountnes t.»
whieh my hon.f.iond's notiee lelates. pro.lnee ulmost sponta.e.M.sly
,n„„v ..f the riehest produetions of the worl-l , yet wo .am send to
them itt all ev.-nts. notwithstarulinir what my hon. friend t.om
Y..rk' ^aid this afternoon, our tlonr. our meal, our lumher, our hsh,
our eoal our mauufaeturos of iron, cott..n, w..ol an.l woo,l; and we
c.an receive in return their su.i^ar, eotlee. rhe, fruits an.l other tropiea!
pro.luets, whi.-h ihoseeouidries furnish in ahun-lan.e. It these do
not form a f..un.hition for a v: uahle tra.le I .to not know what
„.,...l,l ..oMstitute it. it is .v,-tai.dy much better than .lovotin^^ our
onerKies to ( uUivatiui; a trade with people who pr.xluee ma.niy (he
same things as ourselves, with a larger population, larger eapital,
y f)t' til.'
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It' theso do
:iiow what
jvotingour
mainly ilu-
;cr capital.
'iu-^'.T oxp„n..|,n., ......l i,.„-n a-Ivanf,,^.,., „, .vviyuay, at f|„.
m..m..Mt.at alh-vmils; .ortl...ii- pro,!.,.!!..,, | ^n.,p»|■|nV...;.|,oMo,r
.•.,tiiriy aiU .tfOMuIy with iliP l.on. «,.mi|..,„;„. fnm, .Mi^lla.,.! in hiJ
.h-uv that ll.i. ha.lr s|,.,„l,| |„. ,,,( ,a«n|. an.l i,. hi> ....inion
that .1 n.iv l.«. iM-,..a^,..| almo,( iM.I.»i„,t,.|y Ami I a-.ir wilh n.y
h-m. fn.m.l fn.m IVm.v lvKv;.rl |.i;„„| i„ fhin|<i„y ,|,,.i, ,|,^.,^. „ ^,„„,,
:rruu„.| for hop.. .|..n w,. may al.o ia,-..|y .^wwi o,„. ,,,.,|, ^ith
""•■• '""■'"' '^■'•^^' ''"'"''»"•' »"l Aiistr.Iia. I „..tin..| with s.,m..
umiiM.nM-Mt that thr ho„. ir.-n l.-man from llalithx, whil,. pnrportinL'
t-iMippoil (I,,. l,o„. trrnllrmai. tV.mi MI.II.mmI n.M. wiiha vi.-w lo ,1...
•"lu-liisio,, whirl, lu' aH.-;'\vanl> ,.rrivo,i at. .Ii>cn,na:.'. .1 I ihinlv
almn.i ..voiy i-lri, whirl, fl,.- h..„. .^u,,,,!,.,,,,,,, tVom Mi-llaiHl .„(,.,■'
•.•uihmI, as to tho po.>!l.il,ty m ij,,. s.n-crs.s „f hj, propos..,| Hlorf to
<• "'"I "ur tiMvi.u;,, i.vui-. !|,. wn„M .,ni l.av.. ^t.atarrs 1....,,.,... !,»,
thoauhl ^ailinKVc-d.wrr.. I..,!i..,. I„ ,|„„ ,,„,„,, , ,|„„ui,,,,„„
1,'i'ml.MnMi Com llaliti.x h:..! Kom- miHU.-,,.., »;„■ ...sHu.li,..^
>tfamr,v ,M- Tor ahMaiain- from a.vMslii.- ihrm-JMit in hj, i,|,.-i
that ^a...n^•v...>,.U«,•v valnahh- in il... n.l'ivation ..ni.is ,,,,.1,. ■,.
'"""'- ••'l'-'*' '' '""•'•y'"!^' lH-;.vy .o,,]. at a l-.., n„i ,h,n iIm- mo.v
>vvi(l ,,n.| mop' oxpniMv.. .iramcMx. I{,„ ,„v hon. trieii.i ,!!>. anv.i
''"•.V pi I at ions ot tho ho,.. -,.„il(.,„an IVom .Mi-Hai,,! i„ (.^,.,v otV,,.,
iv.sp.Tlal>a, whil,., appaicntly, iall.,.,Jii.,ui<'aiiv,,.ul.,-i/.in..M.vl,un
fnoh.U a.-tioi, an.i . n„,.|„,,inns, Th.- ol-K.-i'lon which "mv Im,,'
'"'•'"I •'•n,n Vo.k look, I,, ,!„. i||„.|,,,tion oMho pusHhlr' ti-..h.
wh.cl. na h,.n ,,i.,„| ,•,,„„ Mi.llamI miopi^..!. w;,s un,.M-t„„alc
tor his ih,.o,y, lo a .ctaiii ckIvi.i, inasmuch as the ho,, ..vnij..-
'"■•'" 'fon. Vo,k appca,c.| to .IcinonM.atc, with co„si.l,.,ahh.
clh'cl on my miml. Ilct ,nost ol tl... pa.ti.-ulaf a.lich-s f„ whirl,
""■ '"'"• -'<'""'••"••"> f M.'ilan.l n.kMTci wore no. snitahio
urtni.-s for shipment lo ,|,, W-m !„.Ji..s in cnpcfiii..,, with the
I M.tcl Siatcv |5ut thou^rh I hope that in some rcspcds tl... hon
-ontlrman from York uas not alto../..!|„.r correct— that is -o snv iii
respect ,.:■ flo,u-I was please,! to nn,| ,|,;„ |.i, ,„.„,„„ „„. ,,,;,;,.:,
them nns.Mtahie. wen- mainly l,a,e,| on the very striking,' lae, ,|uu
most ot those articles, whieh are amon^jr ,l„. leading, pro.hi.tions of
this count, y, hriiii, hiKher jn-ices here than in the Cniicl States I
thonKht that .lom.;ns.,M.ion .'vi.cmely apposite to another branch
o this .|,^..nssl..n. 1 mention now to .serve iiH ,mrpose there an.i
the,-eto,-e neeo not tvie, to it on a tiitiuc o.-casion-thal my hr.n
lilt
fVifiid troiu Yw I, ill. |.|.nliilly hiitiii^lif oiii the iiii|)')i liint tact, f^
tlio«t' u^riciiliiiiiil |ii'(n|ii(ts wliii !, \\i> iiH' hiiiil Ki bf Miciiliiiuj: Hi
Hiu'h low rtitt'H. )(n<l fui- wliifli \\v miv told \vi> iuhmI a uiiukot houiIi oI
UH. lu tiiallv find !j lHtt»-r fiiinki'l u\ Iimiui'. tliiiri (li»>y vvnild in ihc
Ml.lomdo wliiidi my lion. I'l iciid liom New Wcstinlnsici ('wli.im |
ii';,'irt not to set- in lii> pliic.-) ixpctt* to timl in tliiii coiiniry when
luH idfiil inillfiiiiiiii ari'iv«'>4 — wlu-i tlic liTiilorial priri'-ipU- which
th« United SiHit's liuvf adopifd in ntt r» nci- to this coMiiut'nt, thull
\n< fxti'iidi'd in its conuucniiil -en-*- «)vri' ild> pail o( ii | wa.t vjry
j,'Iiul to Icain liial vvt do not nMpiirt' llii>« Kldorudo tor ilioscailicli'K;
that Wf do n >l it'(|niri; to have our way opi'ind to our iiritrldioiH to
own
till! Miriih o| IIS to find a uiarkrl I'of sui h piodiuf , thai our
iiiarUft is a hftliT iiiarUot ; that our own |witi's, accord iiit; to tho
hoii ;4cnilctiian t'rorii York. Cor <Mir whrat. for our meat, for our
^'rain. and ihr our Imttor. arc hctlcr than the pri^■c^ which the pro-
posal of my hoii. tiicnds opposite would provide |nr iik wiijlli of the
line. .My Icui. friend from York contended tliat at* thes.- article- are
worth 111 irt' here than in (he I'nilcd Slat»'-», ihcy mlLTht not he
ali'oliitciy .-.iiitaMc tor competition wiih L'niied Sialc> traders in ihe
Wist ln(li(-^. Ilul I liave no doiihl whatever that lar;;e (pianiiti«#'
ol our products (an In' exported llici-c, can It mad*- ailieles of
I'Xehaiiiceli. I Ween lis and the West India Island- and Brazil ; and I
trust that at no distant dale the a-piraiiiiiis ot'my hon. friend from
Midland in that respect will l>e rciiii/cd. This liranrh of the mat icr.s
under discii-^sion i- really. |>roperly -pcakiiiLi; the oliji-,;! o| my hon.
friend's notice, and there, prohahly. thidi--(u»-ion. if ! hat notice would
have teianiiiate<l ; hut my I, on. friend apjicartd to many m.iniiers of
the lloiise to i^o u lillh- lu'vond. not peihaps the literal lan;xii''>,i.'<! <>f
his not ic4>. for that I do not think he did, luit .a little hcvoml the
Hpiiit of his notice, in calling; attention laljic.' to certain deductions
of his own than to the farts whi" h he stated ; hut a liltl
e on h(»
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of those irioiii, Is. The hon. gi-ntleman reterreii to the immense
eMciil of our expenditure diirini; the years of (!onfedeiation. He
admitted that liiis expenditure had a|)parenlly hce.i. on the whole.
Usefully made; that we had, a.s uii intermediate result, a stM-ieH of
intci|ir)vincial <'ommnnication.s, in the shape of ciinals, railwavs,
and puhlic works ol'.all kinds, that justitied a lar^c expenditure ; hut
my hon. fneud wont lui to say that we ouirhi to have somethimr in
retuin tin- this expenditure, to expect soim' fruition for all this out-
'•^•'•'•"f "'<■ N.-«tin„al Po|i,v . „„| :,• f. ' ' '" I'^.-'-r... u.>t what.
•f>is Dominion sin.v IS7. •.„ V I n ' Z f"»''<I» of .1.. tnul.nf
Mii< l.-^i.i, .Mill I slijil! l.rof.'.Ml f,, .vav- if
P''-J-'si- to Hhon- fVom th,. Mafis,i,.;;vhiH
' my lion, friend
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himself quoted, iiml tlios( to wliidi lie r.-tcned wlion \w dui not
quote tlu'iu — lliat thi^ polk-y. wiiifli liiis licen on its ti'ial lor ten
yeai's — no lon^i;oi'. i'ov it is not a |)oIicy wliitli coiiiMiciicod in l!S7ii or
1874, when, iindei- !iHt)liief (joviTmn-nt and iiiidci- another policy,
the trade oil hi-* iMiuitiy reached a |>oint nearly as lii:rh a^ it has
ever attained since — it ih not the policy of the (loccrnincni lu'twren
187;5 an<l IST'.I which is nu trial. It is not that policy which 1 pro-
|ios(> to discu.-s. That policy was linall/ condemned and discarded
l>y the people (if this country hy an o\ erwliclminu- majority in IS7H,
It is not that policy for whicli wt' are responsihle — ills that which is
popularly called the National Policy. That is the policy which the
hon. -entleman linds faidt w ith. tor which lion, nenth-men .opposite
hold us lespunsible, and which ilicy>ay is ruining- the connti'y. Now.
let us apply the te>t which the hon. ^'entleman Ironi Ottawa has
ai)plicd, which has been reitei'atcd as the (lamnin.ij: fact a^'ainsl us
rhpiui^hout the whole country, and which is, in fact, the vheial tir
bafanie of his party. It istiaie that tVoin 1>^.74 to 1878, inclusive,
the trade o\' the country diil diminish — it did t^^ d'.wn. In 1871 it
was $217,<JiK>,i)l)(l in round numhers. Jn 1878 it was $172.(MI(I.IH)(>— •
that is, it diminished 8ir),00i),000 durin,-; the rr.<jimi:. of my hon.
friends opposite, and ni l.S7:>, liefore our pulicy had de.velopeil itself,
hefo/e the National IVdicy could have\ny etfect n)io!i tiadc in any
way, it had fallen to $ir);;.t)00,Ol)»), or SU 1,01(0,(100 less than when the
Ma"ckeii/ie (iovernment assumed power. That 1 merely nictation hy
the way. That is not a part of my ar^nimcnt, hut 1 mention the fact,
hecause hon. gentlemen opjiosite ai-e fond of beginning at 1874 in
(puitinii; statistics to show that trade has diminished under out''
policy. I refuse to ansume any responsihility for their Administra-
iMW. I begin with ours, at the ])eriod of 187i>, which .1 have now
arrived at, and 1 lind that then, which was (he time when the
National Policy came in foice, the aggregate ti-ade ot this country
was 815:1,455,000, That was the total trade of this country when
this much-abused policy came into operation, Fmjn that moment
the aii'Ltreirate trade of the Dominion increased. In 188;} it reachetl
its maxinuim, the gi-eatest amount it has ever reached in the history
of this country. It increased from $15;;,()00,000, in 1H7.\ to $2:50,-
000,000, in 188;j. an increase of about $77,000,000 in these four
yours, ll diminished niUv that, in one yeai-, t<>. S-i07,oOU,()(!0, and it
has remained within live or si.v millions of dollars of that Bumdown
I \w (lid not
trial t'oi" It'll
M ill lw7y or
other policy,
;j:1i UN it \v.\ti
Hill Id'tWlCll
wliii'li I pro-
iiiil (liscivrded
ority ill 1^7.^.
Ili.it vvliicli is
cy whirli llir
ini'ii opposite
imtr>-. Now,
I Otlawii has
ct a,!.;;ainsl ii>
tho I'ht'val di'
7S. ill(■l^l^-iv»^
. In lS7t ii
172,(1(1(1.00(1—
; dl' my lion,
vclopt'il itst'H'.
tiado in any
han when the
I}- mention by
ntion the fact,
v^ at 1H74 in
1(1 iiniler our'
r Adniinistra-
\ 1 have, now
me when the
E this country
ooiintry when
that niomcul
SS:{ it reached
in the histoiy
87.\ to 82:u).-
in these tour
!0(l,000, aiu! it
hat sum down
to l!ie |,;,>i year. w\u-n it
ji->n I rton luui
hetWfeii the ai'i.'-it'.r.,|., .,.,,,1,. ,.r ,i.
S.i il,.,t .1. . i;.v '
I'ol;
th..
'•■\ e.'inie into tiuci. mi..! iI..
.... ' • < I I V, I \ ii\ f.;
:l«''(r! (MCMt.. » f.i,l,. . A' » 1. :
nil' (late ton xcyr.s afterwards \i;j,, S'lv mid <i.u. ti
Ntnt.'iiiciii ..t'h.'ikiMl ti.iiic...: ,.-i.;..i.
caiiin.l lu.^sihiv itu(ilv(.:ii,v (;,k,.t, I i.
are mil in ^m L u i; .i.i.. 1 1 i ...
nothiiii-'ol.M' hill (l,,.^.>(i,,
I • > t * I ...... .
iii<'-. a« lh<' li'st ,ii 1 1... ,-.,i.. . ..I'.i
trade of (he .'mint ry iiirin- tln.>.. i..,.
eir''iiinl')ci!(i()ii.'ili.)iii tl.,.i,. i(,
'I'l.
1 > f 1 > I w 1 1 1 1 f 1 . 1 1 . . .■ .'.....
I.I
.1.
...,i , . . , """""^'"^"i\c(i, MMvarea-nlain
; Ii.' . no., .„„,.,„ „„„i,.„,,,i,i„„, .Aeecnlin,-,,. the ■vain... ;r„nr
import, and export.-, r trade in IsSs u-.... ft-.v ..,.,.<„.,. , ..
»i ii wa-^in 1870. Then- is a m.siiiv.' f..n,
positive statement th.'ii <.ii,. f,,,..
iiain-t till' • Ill'
Xali
Th
Oh.'ll
P,
ilicc
1<H,
iij'ii ii'ii.lr. Ii-i- r.,ii,.,. .11 ... 1 . i'
cri' an\' :ieed till Mfjitufi- ...i i: i. .,,..
ere are the two plain a^....! i,,n, placed ..pp.(.i(,. .a.l.
ai.yoneean s.'e-which h.- who runs uvay read. On Ih
I^_thal ilu, trade has (1...,....,.^.,! im-k-r the Xaiim.al I'.uht
other hand (hai it iia.s increa-ed lui.hM. il... v.„: i „ \:
olhrr. which
I' one hair! il
,i;,.. .1
15:{.(»0().0(»(l to «!>01 (iniHim.
fij-n
res simw wiii.-h i^ f.,.. .
lie pi.'iiii j)ro)).t,siii,,iis; (he
ic III ill-Ill (,.> ^ ..( ; (I.I .. -1 1
,. , . , , "■ iMii:.!! lie .n; ii--nei u
-'^'<-.^l',v those (inures M.e as.'r.i.m I am con.en.lin-. , '■ ■
'"smoiiient. P.„t thore is ;, o,vm( ,h...,l ,iu> i... ..r. 7'
statenn'ril .if li,,,,
I .1
iitl.>i>,
i-cfiKalionoCii than the one whid, 1 !,;.,
die valiU's ol'o'oocl.s iiave UuuuAx- C.K,,,,
.vhic
'!>|'>ite; tliei't' !< i.i.i,.i.
tve ii-i'd. liiiiiiio- iJiis pe-iod
The iiiM'Ccnl.i,!-.. ,.iM
1 Intshoen estimaled hy eompetent nie" i> ........i... .
'">ii< l."» per .I'nt. on eximi-ts. and (U n,.
i-^ to s;,y, ,|h. ,.i..,.,sc.s of ;.xp.,rts aiid imiM.
calculation has heen ma-le-an.) <1,.„.
n avorai,'e
cent. (iri imi.in'iv ■ ii,.,t
1 I t( 111 ll'li ii.I.
•cry important—l do not as.s..,i il,.,. Vi..
\'IM \' I . )l t 1
'V r()ITU»I'*'hi»iwt ..II i K..
;Xpoil> and imports, hm thev nmii,reh..n,l ,n,..i ...■ ,i..
items —have laden in vahi. ,
'cnt. ihes(j .•ah'iihiiioiK •11.,. .,. .,i.. i,.
in. I f I'
' iniiiMi't
■ - • . ■ • ^ » II V 1 111 1 M /I I
'. export- .J") per ei'iit., impo, is (j-t por
a perfeelly eoniinifiil .'vii..i-i
an .see no reason why we shonlii ilii„i.- ,), ,;,.,.
liont them; they may fiiirlv h,.
> "Mil- ill !^(
).'!
•■' ^ ■"',; iin^i ,uvi
consideiiiil 111 I,.. ,.,.i;.,i.i.. mi
ive heen studh'd in another place; they have h..,.„
ivc n.it heen -lenied to my kn.>wledLre. " Ihn lo ....i...,
ve take half thi
'Xceed in vo]in
s pereenta.iiv, (he a^ir/^re-'ale imiwris ..f i.v>l<
me those of iSTJ hvaiSoimnmi .,
. ..,v.y
"" di.M'iissfil. aid
! sure • .Mippo.m.
(^ ...... I I
1,1 If. .,,1,1 1
10
tliOHc of 1^7!) |,v i,|„„ii $t:i
llin^-slrikiiiy cil dions of ti
ill v.-iinc liii'i ,oi(
I III' ti:.niiis will
(■ nil.
i I'I'M
Til
M»<'I»,«H»(I. WV liMvcal.va.ly IukI
Uiirc> iD^liow towhal oxU'iit tliisd
two III'
fl'll-JlSC
• ' lion. u:ciiil,'iii!»ii iVom Kciiiicl
111 I ST
ai'<l (.1 sim'ai-, TI
•Of i;av(i us
(> was ItT.noo.t/tMl II,
»• (iHMiilily of Miixnv ini|i()!n.ii
'" •'" <';ii'li.T .laff iliaii llial, hiil it
111 iioi (•(•I'laiii of ilir i|;.if. Ii may
"111- (i|scii-.-.i(i'i :i]
•Jl'l.()(MI.(l(H)|l,s —
TI.
is witliiii iln- jn-i iod hi wliicji
llllpoi'lalioii of >ii._r;,r ;,, isss
wtis
ill I' (osay. I'liilv iwicT ami on
.>0 per ci'iH iiiailvai
t'-lia
Hill
f (jiiaiilily
H's <'o>t S').500.iHMI, while (lie 2l' I
'lllic jiiTMnii-, poiiod , v.. I tli,.;i7,()i)i),(HI0
Thai
liDd.lllKI
M.-.
'•osf 8r).7r»(i,tM)(>.
a McciT'ast'
in-
a<i of lii
III ^'allUi III iin|ioi'ts ot >i|_r;,p of j,-,()
ri'iit.
per cent.
ukI
siiifar is not a sniiill in
in.
iii'N. Mit. r()Wi;i{-j}
etwccn what voars?
I
Hon. .MK.AHBO'i'r— i have ];
'Mil I am ?ioi hii,"ouf (I
li'ifii'i (hat the fir.si
iliseii,s-,iii^ ami tl
rS ainl 18,^7 on iny nm^l
I noios.
K' lir-l dali' at this inonient ; ! can li
[u'l-iod i.^ Wldiiii II, ,> |„.,.i,„l we liave
H> last voiir is (he he
niv lion.
noca
I'l'luni.--. 'l'Iu!!'o aiv other dislii! I
Olio foi' whic!
1 wo lia\<' aii\'
tl
iiiii"'
ic ainoiiiiis of foiviii'i) trade, hut thev all <«•.) t
iioiils in the c(jiiij)ariM'/i oi'
(liclinii whu'h oxisK hotwoeii the f
o MK-rease llii' eontia-
iiiade aliout if. I'
Vm'oiio Ihint;. lei i
let and liie asserii
on-- wliieh are
niado ill the iew words [ Kiid on i he A.ldrcss— that
lar^-ely lakiii;,f the place of i
iM' ((>fer Mii-ain to ihe sfjiteinenl 1
law tnaloi'ial is
tl
naniitaetiirod nialeriai in importations to
ii-^ country ; that instead of »;{5,(iui),(ii)t) worth ot
which We iiiipoi'led la>t year. i|
law niaterialrt
iiiiltortod ill ISM I have not Lho I
leie were only Sii.(IOI»,U(l(> worii
that the\ wen- less than in IS74. J^, ■^\] ^.y
JO li,u'iire>tl.r 18T!I, hut it is nrohablc
tioi
eiit^
I-'', wlueh al an
of iiianiil'aciiii'eil o(»od.-
law material
Jieriod wore composed alnxtst
our iiuporta-
entirel
vNi're. (Iiii'ini'' il
to the extent
Ol
volume .f internal trade in nianufactun
$;{5,0()(l.l)i)(», which
ast year, composed of
I'epi'osi'uts a
that 1 a
oods within the eounti-
must
am ontii'ely ineompeten; to calciilato. hut wlii(d
com
lu.K
1 ev^'rvone
toL'other,
IS ot enormous ma,^nitude. These tact.s, taken
com 10 me conclusively to dispose of the pr
< (position
t^hai our foreion tra-le is lallin- off under the Xational Policv. I
10 not see how, in the t
let
again an.! «>y it is diniinishii
of I hose simple tiyures, anv
one can riso-
ig, unloHti ho is prepared lo say thal^
"Ill- tnulv IN. Ill
t" Nay dial ov
'>- i^'iioiajil. of
Mis arc fVaii.li
'■ly mail \v
11
'••'" <'"ii'-(>r(i,.rH: unit..,., ]
1" Is |i)i|,,vv
II' I-
'■■^I'lilc Illl'-C t\,J
'■\ofyil.iiii..- w|ii,.|, i„,|
'"^ "I' llfallairs <.f|,
["■••[lan-d
(lies I I
K'al.V'. its a.'ii
Is <Mli;i(i
ia\(' 111, I
lal
(111. I-" (()
li\''ii, aii.l III,
Jl|(|M|-,.
(.'Iiisivi' cvidcico )i
'"•"v ilic.'ir,.,.( ,,fi|
ill fli
o noil, I
Mv i
i.-ii <<.iiM I
ll' lli:l
'■'>l"<'ll|-i.>|,> i I
.l,v
y
ia\c
"' |'l<'s('||(l.(i
'»li\'IOU> ;,,|.| roil
i>> aiiv as.scii
I'liy III' ciiint
!::"■. '■'■'^''"' '■""" Quiiut^ siufc.,i ni
•■''""" 'l'«' ^'afi„„al |>n|
"■■•I'lt'i tliat if
i('\-~(
'•■" it \\n-
'■■" ^\.'is i.ordrdv (,•„,
tor (I
was nut (
•^'"l IraiiUNJ t(, I
I'lKH
'"' |"ii |.us(. „r im,
"■^ 'liivrt „|,j,.,., . j,
casuii.'
'ix'wui'd I.) (I,
tl
Was ;(|
''\ '"I ami [)|
•""■''"l'"''-:<n.i ,.x,„.ri>, '[M
>>lt'r forcij
:i''C(l (.11 1 1,,, ,«^(
:ii
iii'lii<.<t I. III.
I' 'It.. J{(„,Ic
lat'uas
'it' want
["■'■iiMl \v|„.„ ,,„,, ,„|,,|„,;,j,,
•^ III nllr
"•^••' maiuilactii,
"i'..M sliall I
•'(•'•ailsr We |i,ok
oilier I,
"■'•<•' o^'^'t or 11m, Xafional I
j;'^'>|'l(;, aiiil \v,.>|jall I,.. ;,|,|,, t
^ <o:inlri..s ,]..; I.i,( ,|
III
lavr 'Acrfl,
'\\>'>rl il,,.,,
d'i.-s, ((, devol
•mI;
<1
and
'P our o\v„ i|,|,.j.
■y was I.) i;,^|
lal li;i,
!'"(i incidental to d
^'*'i'y Ion
"' incrca-iiiu. of
T
\\i.d
1 as
'' 'fiiiucdiat(. lut'l
''!• tiiir own iii.iiis-
iisr woi
since \\'^,
''"'inndiicdired n-oodstl
"'■^f .yrcal o|
'';ivc liccnahl,
our (orcii-ii (,,.|,|,
V if-
dilvct
;|<'cts
fo II
Ollf
^^''''•y 'liiv. If
lat
. Tic
lake II
was only indirect
linic
lia ■ not I
'CCIl so
of alisoliit
In oIHV tei
<>!"• iiidiis(n„l..siali||s|
'■""iinous -inanliii,
I' ]>ov(.>iiv a
'■'•n''K( In nil Alhcrfi
'id disfi-(.;
' yi'.'iTs sii
"iH'nis arc fun
iiiii
Off
;<wa— (he condition tl
', and my |
'<■*■ We wcr^
•"" well dcscrihcd I
ion. fii(.nd 1 1
HM-ountiy was in in ISTt
111 llie sl;tfc
y "ly lion.
'•'.I'l'iioi- inemiior from
;"• -""I» l<itchei.s of those d
'vets seeking emj.lr,yn.cnf af""a,
;tv:
and il
le
( t - (
•rowd;
ler
v'ain
■i'tI that
12*
'•i-'Micmbcr that l)ut(
ly J I rice
and
1 icmciiil
I't'ople in
not
Work
JH'ople.said; What isfl
'■'• was worth only ]2\
"■('i-'kinL'- if
in
in<r
cents t(
people
c u
l>ay lor it.
Tl
■^e of its beitiir cli
<'eii(s a pound,
'■emomhor well wl
were almost widj,utt I
iH'.se Were the days wl
«aj>; we have
read
len (^m-
""•'H'«l out 600 ham
vided for, and wit I
^<> it wan, ac
t'armo
lOii one faciory in ^]
'••^ on the .tro,.t-GOO tamil
"III without homes. I
"J'ti'-'ul was closed, and
mv h
'lout a I'oof t(j e
»verthera. .Soil
lew wer«! left unpr<;-
I'h; they took tl
'/"•tWend from Albei'ta has d
was evorywhero
'?. «^n them tor a
ihat
OH- products to th
10
escribed, with tl
10 country «tore.s and had
.1 I . H dmtmyhon. friend the
mnov .Senator from Ottawa d
''"li^'iage
'scribed
night
in such vi.q
irous
12
1I(.\. Mr. I'OWKli— IKar hoar.
Hon, Mk. AlUJOT'l'— My lion. tViciKl smiles.
lln\. Mr. I'oWKJi — Kxrii-io m.', 1 wa.s ou'loi'sing tin- lion. i;i'ii-
lU'inaii's opiuioii that the lioii. mcmlKM- tVoiii Ottawa de.soril'iKl Uu'
oomlition ot'atVaiis in \'ii;i>foiis langua^o.
Hon. Mn. AHHOTT— My hoii. iVicnd- laii,!,Mia;j:i', howovii-
viforou-i, coiiiil Miiici'lv (ltj Jiisticc to tlio wiclchcil cnnilitiou oi
the work ill!;- flii.s.ses. It (Iocs not rcijuiit' a man to he as old iis I am
to I'ccolJt-ct iho tiuivcrsfd distress which ])e.'va<k'd this roiuitry in
1H77 7S, to icmcmlMM- the universal a|i|ifal that wart .sent up to the
(Jovcrnment lor some eliaii.i;i.' with ic^'aril to the eommei'eial policy
of the eoiuitiy. that would enable p(jor men lo get Ibod for thctn-
Nclves and for their cldldieii. [ rememher that 'Well, and ev>'ry
luemher of the House must remeinlicr it
Tl
lis policy wa^
then
devised for the jiiirposeol' remedying those ovils. which, as my lion,
friend fi^un Aeadie said, the (Joverument of that day professed
themsidvestolpeahsohitely inc.'ij'.'ihle of remedying, 'I'hey declai'ed
thalithey were helj)less — lliat they were powerless to provide any
measure of ndief; and this remedy whieh. as my hon. friend from York
has stated, ha 1 heeii then in the minds of many men for years, was
finally adopted. I think my lion, frien.i from Halifax did not do
justice to the lion, membei' IVoiu Quintt', when he deseiihed hi.s
position in speaking of the ol>ie(^t of the Nati(mal Policy
Hon. Mr. POWMK — I (pioted the resolution whi(di the hon.
member introduced in this Hou>e.
Hon. Mr. ABBOTT— >[y hon. friend did ; but 1 am speaking
now of tiie statement which the hon. member from Quinfd made a's
to the objects with whit h the Natioiuil Policy was devi.sed, Hr
was inclined to attribute to l»im— his language ttiiidod in that direc-
litiii— the admission thai we did not want any foreign trade (I
think that was the ex))ression), that we only wanted internal trade.
That statement only divei-ged so far frotn the line of accui'acy that
the increase of our foreign trade was not the direct object we had
in view. It was regarded as an incidental result of the policy we
wore advocating. \ agree with the hon. member from t^uint^ thai
ht lioii. g(Mi-
LCi-, liDWOvcr
conflitidii ol
. (ilil as I am
s coiuitry in
it iij) 1(t tin
cM'oial policy
od foi' tht'in-
, ami ovt'iv
cy was then
1. as my lion.
iiv iiroti'ssoii
Ih'V (loclai'i'il
y)i'<) villi' any
lid rn)m Yoi'k
)r yoai's. was
X tliil not ill)
li.'sc'iiltofl his
cy
U'h the
ni'ii.
am spoaliinir
lintd mado as
devised. Mr
in that diroi-
jign trade (1
ntei'nal trade,
iccuracy that
uljjeet we had
he policy we
n t^uintd that
13
o.n- ohjeet was to la.ild ,.p our own industru-s. ... erdar^e our
." ornal rade, and, a. .neideatal and s„pp,i.n.en,a hat, t.^nlar"
etdtd ? J ha, ,,s the qnes.K.n ,h,t, this (iov.M„ment ha.s „> answer ■
hat .what those who advoeate this poliey have to answer. Ila J
e^^eets whn . the National iNdiey was devised to at.a.n .!
oal, .ed Jlas u i,..en saeeessf,,! i„ al.ainin,^ tho.e resnlts^ JIas it
developed international and ...lu-r internal trade'/ (las i, ,, .1 v
Hntapi.,„.ownindustrii.s7 In this v.ry hook ,o whi-h U>a^v
"^"•'r''T/'r'^; ''-•''• -••-Muin.ion Iri.nM, and oiher Jn •
Wh.utV mi""',"*' """>•-'<•'"-.' on all those poinu
Xa umai Pohey ? That ,,,. peopl. are prosperous; U.a, ma -
iaeturesare .noreasin.; that every man who la.ts ; da^ s w"k
-n^etu, and^et a .rood day's wa^es to. it. The.. L.. t e
ohjeets we sought to attain l.y the National Poliev, and I .... we
have attained them, and in a larg..,. .n^asure than' was antinpated
;> any man who, ,n 1S7!.. advocated the National Polii-y An, the
r.g..re. will p,.ove it. [ suppose my hon. i'nend will „;„ .ask me .
prove that the manufacturers have prospered. I have not go, any
^tatistics of hat; J only know that my hon. i'nend has a hi'h
opinion 01 th..,r prosperity, because he attrihuted the enormo'^.s
increase m the insurance hu.sincss of the i-ountry u> iUc insurances
on the pa aces and row. of houses huilt hy the nianulactu""
Huppcse It did not occur to my hon. f,iend that if those manufaci ure, h
huilt enormous palaces and g..eat row. of housen. at all events tho-e
houses must he occupied-that we must have got the population to
III them, and they must have the money to pay rent for them \i
new houses have been erected to ,such an extent as to swell the
amount of hre insurance by million,sit wa.s because the people were
mcreasing and were there to occupy them. At all event , 1 ukiv
conclude that my hon. friend does not want me to go into s atisti^s
to prove that the manufacturers have been successful.
Hon. Mr. POWRR-Those who survived ?
Hon. Mr. ABHOTT-l shall therefore devote myself mainly to
prove t^hat the remainder of the population has been nucces.ful
-that the success has not been confined to the numutacturer.
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but. as tliONO who iulvocaltil the Xiitiorial Policy pi-oplu'sioii it
woiiM <lo, it luM extciifii'ii in pi-(i])(>rlii>iiiil(' measiuv to the rtnploy^H
OH well a.s ((I the «'iiij)loyoi'8 — that it hn-> tmilt up our taitn<M"H,
our moolianics, our woi-kin^iuon, our iahorors, just t\n it iia^ assiHted
in liuiMino- nj) tlii' capitalists who employ oui- nu-clianii's, oui- work-
iiiLfiui'M, OUI- laliorors, and who, with them, consunio the proilucts
of the f'arui, and pay a ^ood pi-ice t'ortluMii. And the test hy which
I ]ii'<»pof;o> to jiiovii this is to !)*.• louiid in the piil'lic dofumenti^
from which I have already quoted. The wealth accpiired by the
peo])le, as ^hown liy their saviniijs and investments, is at least as
;;reat as the fertil",' imaii'inatioa of my hon. friend leads him to be-
lieve, has been the ayji^ret?ation of wealth nmon^ the manufaeturei«.
I doubt veiy much H" the tl/j;ii res which have entered into my
lion, friend's mind as '■a n>easuro of the wealth of the manu-
faeturers, ajjpi'oaeh the figures which show the saving.s and the
invostmonts of the lower classes, if I inaj- be permitted to U80
such words in deseribinii; any portion of the people in this eounti'y,
who are all free, and whom we do not reco^^nize as capable of being
gi-aded, or properly characterized by any sach description. To
establish this point I nhall trotible the House with statistics.
many of which they have already Iieard reao to them, but I hope
they will bear with me. It is that 1 nuiy give an intelligent
I'cason for the faith that is in nie. I would like to be allowed to
set (mt those j-easons ; it will be then for the Jlouse, and for the
country also, if it ever hears of our speeches, which is doubtful, to
judge wlielher theie is good reason for the t'aith that is in moon
these subjects. I think the savings lianks constitute a fair test of
the wealth of tlie middle and lower classes of the people — the
fai-mers, the mechanics and others. It is they who invest in that
pai ticular way, and not the wealthy manufactui"ers, who, as my
hon. friend from Halifax observed, and believes no doubt, invest
theii' money chiefly in palatial residences and rows of houses and
manufacturing establishments.
Hon. Mr. POAVER — I did not refer to rows of houses ; I
referrc'l to stores, and such establishments; the palaces were the
only houses I I'eferied to.
Hon. Mr. ABBOTT — That serves my pur]»ose equally well.
They vrould not erect i'ow6 of stores if they had no prospect of leas-
pi'npln>sio(l it
tlic rtiiploy^
our taiiiKM'H,
it has uHhiHted
ics, (iiii- wnrk-
) thb prcdiiclH
est tty whicli
ic (loL'iimentrt
uired by tho
■1 at least us
Is liini to be-
uirmtiictui-ern.
red into my
i)f' the iiKinu-
>'iiigs and tlic
iiitted to U80
this counti'y,
III mielligent
be allowed to
, and ibr tiie
is doubtful, to
t is in mo on
a fail- test of
jieople — the
Mvest in that
, who, as my
doubt, invest
i)f houses and
i of houses ; I
■es were the
'"^' them, and had
them. S
no
"' '">' atmiirienf
J*)
♦'Xpecdifi,,,! „f \,:.i<k' I
Nt/vn^'lhened hv tl
"' IS not ;||
gladly. Th
"•^ ^'^•m'.tion of ,ny ho„. fri
iiiipiiiicd, •)
'^'i'lir i'ajTi..,j on in
'"" is rafi
pi-iately i-ajls •(
'^ <-ont].ilation of .VI, ■_ j„|
with
M"ostion-~(h
r;
apliic Stuf
'"■■^•"'s, which I
•'"d, whi.'h f
hvv
in (h
;('■<■.•• t /acilily „|| ||„. ,i
i^' invesinifnl oCd
i^fK-sofCiinach
IC v,.,.v
eiia
"'/•''"••'<"vd hanlcs of(!unnd.
nii'<s whif-h I.
!>' savi/i.rs old
.H>ai' on tl
II.'
ilC'ept
appro-
'luote
l-ai'ticuiar
•'•■•^ ii> to
ty w
» 111 ls'70 w
"•iH'ople, ThedepositH
.yoacs s(,„K. SL'.OOu, (((»() r
'""'in rash deposits i,, ■;,
lev
^'n' S(;;;,o(Hi ()()(
lad then t
I. in
1^<S7 they w-,.,. §!i(,;
dion otr ill (
Wo
Nat
ional
'iaiik<
<^'"».'"><'~«M.()(»o
biiildinir societies and
?!'.<-'<;.00(»: in lS,s,;, ,^1
lion j'efors, it \,r
it'3' commenced. '|'i
iiHtitutions of that ,|
"»'»'*' tlian in isyn^ ^,,j
'« iimonnt of ,j
ICIl llio
••p'J-^i'^ i/i tl
'^•'' i« (he latest d,
("^'•ription j,, ij,.-,,
10
If was in 187!). [,, ,1
'•^ «l7.712.tH)0, or al
were $]4,7(i2.0(m'
'10 sMvin.;rM bank
» b^«7 Ihev W(
itte t,> which tl
l»t"' cent, n
liout bei
"".^IK call it §51,0„„,0000 witJ
oxaggei.ation-$;i,;,,)o„,(,on,nearly;;oo
N^'^-".'^ in, he .savin.-, banks /
PO'cy came into force. I„all,|
'out !l()
■^ proper tlu; d
■IV
was
'!•' coiupila-
/leposit^ i;i lS7f)
I
n.i,' "pen to the c|
s at th(
IH'rccMt. in ad
iart;-e of
'""*J "lat (his d
vance of the
iii'lireetly on II
Tl
I'lie qiiosfion tl
'^' "X'idenlal matt.
I'-'irucfive
■'•« which I
lear
•'discounts in the charfere.l |
i"l«T!); they were 81
mn
ban when the National P,
^I'-^'-o-Mits had .so largely i,
■"■osporous in 1887 than it had
''1^.000,000 in 1887, or $
^"'Nuiie increase is oiKcrvabI
■ I were « 122,000,000
>t' (
nad
<5licy eawo i,ito thv
increased. th(
iT,000.000
•ce.
pei-centa^re of dishonoi-ed
I
country was
ui'u.utMi rrieater
Althotin-h these
!<> 'iiiich nioi-e
'■" I'^^T, with th
'^'7 ■" ''^'^^ that u-hile th
P'^P^'r in (he latter j^earamou
percentage of (lishonoi-ed
'« o/ionnously increa.sed
paper was only I.Ol, a iit,|,
wes on fl.A a;.., ., ,
nted to 4!)o
■<">ount of discount., the
loss thai
<'iii'<l of the rate of Ws on the .)"; , I" '""" "'"- ^^«" ""«-
^^•"'•^'■^- wo discounted 40 per cei / "'' ''^ '^^''- ^^ other
'';," ^'vidently increased 40 Z^S ^"'^o'' "" ^='"'^ -^^<i^^-,
'' ^<- on overdue pap.,- tha e /l ,<; ?' ''''i ••""' ^^e amoun
-oase,.fdi«countwas.in,steadof 4.Joi "'" '^'"^ '^"'^'•"^^'"'^ '-
WJmt does my hon. friend fVom Vr , i T '""^•' ""'>■ ' ''1 P^'" ocnt
Hon. Mu MACDr Vat? ""^ ^^'""^ ^^' ^^'"?
^'"0 <iiscounts nmounli:;!^^^,;;- S;;;-^ ^^^^ -oh in 1888.
IG
IIuN. Mh. AlUKVPT— Of coui^i
ilu- liicuro.^ rtm-timtc. Wo
hav(
■ to i^iUl
stilt irttlCHt
^ro liv wliioli WO i-o^ruliite lliu .'xact umiHinl of tlio
1 to \»v cuti-lid. I<1«> not tliiuU tliose
noted a lid It' vvl\ilc ago, are in
bu.siiH'Hrt of tht' country, an
jfCoroiun trailr wliitli weic <[
a
ny iTivat <loi!;ioc' an uu
lication of tin' cotuliiion of tin; rountiy,
bucaiHO
th.'V tliuliiutt! ac-c'ordinii; tosoTrti'
iiilliuMici' which wo do not
undofHtund. Why was it in
fort'i,u,n tia<le, that it was tho ^unu'. a
1H8:{ wlion Wi' had such an onomioim
ill over Ihc woi'M? Oiu- tiiuh'
m
\Hx:i was 82;io,oou,(»oo.
Hon.
and IST').
Mr. POWKR— It was snial
all over the world in IHTt
Hon. M«. AliBOTT— I sc.
m
V hon. fi'icnd ai^i'ocs
with mo,
and I hope in
Htross on iUii'iinien
futui-e hon. ycnt lemon opposite will place loss
ts whiidi are not coiichi>ivo in thomsolvo, and
w
hieh soi-ve no useful pMri»
The thictuations in forei,<.!;M tiade
donend lafiioly on some pow<n' of m
flueiu'o th:it p. rvades the vvoi
■Id.
ami
that is nor ehan,<^e(
I or altered, dimini><hed or increased in any
I decree, hy any local influeiico whateveiv
very materni
Hon Mr O'DONOIIOH— Is it not possible that the, vast out-
pouring of wealth for the construetion of the (^i.iadiaii I'aeitic Rail-
way atS'ctcd the bankini,' deposits and hank .liscounts, irrespective
altogether of the National Policy, during those years.
Hon Mr ABTUyi'T— Mv hon. friend puts a question which
i. no doubt, avervtair one." But if his theory be correct, how
w'lv it that almost immediately upon its adoption, before any money
had been cxpe.>de.l 0,1 the Canadian Pacific Railway, the hgure. to
which 1 have been referring reached abnormally large proportions
as compared with previous years, and continued to increase until
now ? How is it that though there has been no expenditure on the
("anadian Pacific Railway for the last three years, those figures still
keep up •' It is possible that the amount of trade, whieh was very
large about 1883, when large sums were being expended an.l large
importations made iA respect of this great railway, may have been
thus atToeted 1 1 is possi ble that it influenced to some extent the m-
(>,e.,.o in deposits ; but if that were the sole or main cause, how is it
thattherowasa large increase before the expenditure was begun,
and a correspondingly large increase after it terminated t
n
iiiii
Hon. .\|it. ()r)()\()ll()i:-._i
tl
t iliri'cjisfil ill till
^rrif
Ulllllin- WlllC'li tlu.s lIlllll.'IIM' •.•X|K'lliiill
H'f was iroill^ nil.
FI.'.N. .\Iit. AlUU)TT-.Mv l.un. hio.Kl
tliat tlien- \v
W.I- III) CollstllUllMli ill I,SS((, HIKJ I
!>• Illis|;il<cn it'
vi'iirs
incans
IS ail uiiiiMial iiici'oaM) (liii'iiii; fluit p.-iirxl. TI
iDrii- to >|M'ak <.|' ill I>s|. Vet l|
it'i (•
111! riMsc was LjroaU'r in iIimnc t
Wo yt'aiH iliaii i:i anv v
-oif IS not to that i;x|u'ii.liluiv tlmt ih
toy hull. fficii(i«'oii|,l^li,,\v (|,.,( , lining- ii^, ||,,
'■ar -nice
iiif.-t'asi- !•. attrilMitiM,.. If
ami iss-i.
t'l' vi'ars of
k^s
1'. iNs;
WIK'll
;|, ■,,-,,
rac'ilic [{aihvay took iilacc. tl
uii.ulit Ik- K'.I to lulirvc that it
my hon. fViciicrs icniai'j
'•x|H'ii.litiirc on accoiiiii of the ('ana. I
lan
!<■ incr(«a>c was al>iioi iiialJv |;
ti^r. Wi>
was (hie to thai «'\-|)('nilitii!i., and
c Would 111'
lion ot'inc
rcasi,' IS like th
i\ SI(
yciii' .since IS7!I; so thai
i|iiiU' naliiial. lint iLc •x
I'- ot'a slairoasf — al
iitiia-
to tlu' (■x])t'n(litiiro on tl
il IS lint iousonahlc t'
ion I this .vanu- (.;k'|i
'■if'lil (hat iiic.c;i.,o
!(-• construction of the Canadian I';
icilic K'ail-
way, since it ha.s hccn troini; on steadily up to the present i
railway was practically completed inlSS"); tl
The
lienditiire Iiad terniinatcl
ture i.s not a siitlieii'iit ii
I'foni 1,S7!> to the dale of this hook ol statist!
a( thai time, and ihcivro!.- tl
ason for this <;'radual and
inn-
le enortnoiir ex-
UMi
ilications of inei-eased liii-
11
uii e.xpciidi-
lllr.i'jise
quoted
iness here, however; th
lere are nion- in-
o.-e
I
that
t-y no m.'aiis exhaust tliem. f wisii
111 i'vevy imaH^iiialile I. ranch of dade, th
lieen ijoinir on.
nave
•how
same iiieiea-^e has
ot'the wealth oMho people, and
,i;',i,nx"iiate of money orders is i
ndicutive
to wlion
I I am veferrin^'; liecaiise th
nioie particularly of those cla
sses
ey-reat manulactnrer.s do not
send money orders from those palaces they hiiild. accor.iin- to
my h
)n. friend. It i.s th
a workinif men,
the i\
age-earners At^hoso transactioi
irniers, and other
wav,
Tl
le. amount of
is are carried on in lliat humh
'money orders issued in ISTD was gij TSs OOO
In 1887 it was S10.:^2S,U(H), «4.0U0,00() in excess of the money
orders ml, 87^; an.l they also proceed with that re<rular and steady
gradation which indicates the continuous pi-ogress of the country
The correspondence increa.sed in the same way from 50.840 000
letters and postal cards in 187i.» to !)0,000,0(I0 letters and p.Ktal
cards in 1887, an advance of 40,000,000 in ten years. These tiyiues
must mean somelhing; there must be some cau.se for them It is
not the poverty of the country that causes the inci'casi, • it is
4
18
",i
not iho iH.->in'~s of iIr> (•<)iii\try lliut caii-i's dm lr.'tiisnii*>|on <,f
iiioiioy onli'iw j it is iiiil ilic MliigMali('iM>fl.ii-.i;ii,"sj, iliat l.'a<ls to
inorcahctl «lis(Miint,s in (lu« l.anUs ; it, is nut tlu' Mriii;.r.'ri( roniliiiDii
dl" traders (liat caiist's llic lalin ul' clislioiKM-cd papi-i in ilic l.anks t<»
tall I'l
• 111 4!MI |H-i' <'ciit. to 1 (ill |H"r(»'iit. These |iie(eiisi,,i,s of |
KIM,
^M'liiUiniii i.|.jt.wii,. are all al>M)liiloiy iiieuiisisteiit with the actual
state of Ihinirs. h is iiM|M>sil»le (o ednteinl that the ilepieejalioii of
ti-a-le anil the -jeeailenec ot the eoiinliy, no loudly a-serlt'il, ean be
eo-i'xi^teht Willi ihe--e reliiifis. jl lannot he that
dopreeiutin:,' iii wealth, wlu'ii r\riy evidenee of wealll
latin^. in every lii-aiicli of hiisiness. and
iiiif coiintiv irt
> IS a<'eiMnu-
itveiy de|iariMient of trade
tliroii^dutut the eunntry. ll raiiiiol he possihle that our Irud
diiiiini-hiiiir, when the iiiaidiineiv, tl
«' IS
le essential iiiatddneiy. whi(di
Ks, are ineroas-
iiiiahles it to he carried on, tin' discounts at the hanl
iny in the saiiio ratio as everylhin;; else. Kverylhinj; that I have
quoted a|i|)ears to he in a,riimilar ratio of ineivase, say 40 to ')(» |)or
cent.; wlun it v,iiie>, it is that i( is lai
in
[ly he ponnilteil lofjuole: the results of the failiir»ts ii
Another indicutiou 1
eoliinins of Mr. .lohiison's hcxik ar
e most extraordin;
1 one of theso
they repi-esented 8L'!t.;i47.()il0 ; in [sS7 they ivpn^si-nted Slti.oH,
000. with a Hade increased hy 40 to ,")() po.M^ent., as 1 have shown.
Hon. Mil. l'()\VI-:i^~l think that tlie strik
ill,!,' excess of tiiilures
in 1S71» may ica«uiahly he aitiihutcd to the fact that that was tiie
last year in which the Insolvr.nt Ad was in ojieration ; and imriien.se
niiinhors of people assii>-ned in that year, hocause it was the hiht
yeai' in which they could take advantai^Cf of the Act.
Hon. Mr. AIUU^TT— My hon. friend's ■ir;j;iiment has a plausil>Io
sound, and niiL;hf hi' jiistiticil if tiic tiu'ures siipjxirted it.
llo.v. Mil. POWKIJ— I kiK.w it was the fact i
any rate
n my own city, iit
IToN. Mil. ABBOTT— It seems leasonahle that this large
amount of lidliires in that year should he attrihuted to tlic fact that
the traders who had been faiiinir for years hefoi'c, seized upon thi.s
remciiy in the lu-st year of its existence, and in that way the n.i,'f,'re-
gato of fai.ure.s would Jiave reached abnormal ti-jfurcs; but unfor-
.tunately for my hon. friend's theory the ligures were about the
i;»
^ ot'liiilui't's
lat was till'
h1 ituniun.ie
i!^ the luHl
irii.- Ill iIm" |.tts,.,|i„^, y,.,„.^ |„ 1S7;, ,1
IHTti. »2"»,:i(M»(MiO, ill IH77 (I
•"»»>, aii-l ill 1S7M, fho y.-ai- I I
l>Mi i(
iti
laVc .!l|..l,.,l, (]„.v WOIV It IJIil,. I
H)H.
\v,i> nutsi,v,ny m.ioli. ..„U «J,;,(M»(MM)u "i
mii.'li ill «-j:t.o(i(»,()(m. «„, »,,„„', |
111,'l'r. Wlllcli
I- iiwi
m..mcnt il,,. ,„.,., ,|,, |,,,„ ,,,|.y„ ,
lar iiioiiuwii i|„n- .||M|,,„.,| '['^^^,
tiio i'ailii
'•••> 'liiiiiiiis)K-(|. 'I'l
iVitMul limy sav. the FriM.I
ICI I IIKIV I
">«lt frnln lUv ,-\viU'^r,. „l ,,.,|i,.y,
aiiwiliiM- I
■f;i-
V(
mmIv niaiiv '•( ||
ii'-c W
■III Act was iv|»falt..i ill i>s7<i .,j,,|
"IV iioa.
.ftl
11' Afl , aii.l III
I" Wi .•«• in liaii^'cr iirt'ailii
lai
I.V low tit,Mif,.s f,,,. (|„. II, ..v, f
i^. Ml) tiniild. had muir. in')
M' n. l|< ;,i|
I'
v nita:,'(!
tlio tart that |,.|i V
Wn Vt'll;
Th
ilflH'i: .1)1 tl„. .,1
11^ al(t.| waiii>, vnImii i|,
:ili|iin-
ainpi.' til,,.. K, ,l..v..Io,, if^.H^, when thnc ha-i
III /..i-cc |b|. iiii,
riad
(1
y-'ar."*. wImmi Mi
.ocay lioin ihr ,'tU.ct- (,t ihr N
t' <'OIII|||\- U;
II, slraM-(!ly ciK.iiirh and in
:illl>||;
I
ii may In-. Imu |
■• lit \V lioljcs'
'•■'■11 no Iii.o|\-,.|,i \,.|
'" ,U"ii,o- t,, ,.„j,, .,,|,j
'>l|r\, wl
il'Il
uii'ica-ci
.">(!
|(•'t!lKi^t«'nIly with ii> n,
lie t,.i.
• It
(Mir
$21>.()(HI,U(M
I""' i-t'M. ; th.' failiiriw won
''•' "i' lh>' (iiiliii-e-^ of In7!)_..|||
\ f; V
lltti
ty wcif glu'.oou.ono
run tlio lisi; of fati,
MHnitii-anl, and (I
'•'••iH aic ninic -talislics of ili
JTiiiiiu; tin- Jl
ousc
III and d.'. ay. had
iii"M' lliaii
as a;,'aiiist
tl
am*'
kin<
louilll
tanc
lua'lc
Tl
that
KTL' !n ho
l('\' o
iKissiliility of mil
<y <|iioiiii^. ,|„,,„ 'j^,,^.^.
a If
I't'l' 111,, hot po^sihjo Jd'oof of 1 1
iltli/AU-r ,|„,i,. ,,„p,„.
•\i'ry part -m" its l.ii.sji
•';'f'';'''i(ry is improving, in ..v..,y I,,.,,,,,,,,,, i,
If assertion thai 1
less.
iiid I
I /ad
fvel..),ii|u- its inte.nal
iti
7ir "■''■'•■ "-••-^'- produetion of e,.al m ,he I.
Iul87!» tl
was 2,387.0(10 loi
u'amoniit ,,| roal pn.diieed was l.lol'.OOO
rcsoiLcoH in
'I'lllllllOll.
Imi,
Xow
Th
or a iiil
we eoiiie to the in-ur
over loo per eenl. of
III 1^78 it
iiiieool tlie palaces of tJ
*on.snrai..'o.,tthehun.hle individuals wj
imoiiiiled lo«t07.0(ni,000; in 1887
ail ad\anre
10 nianiitaeiuieis
ill 1878
an «dv
!ll
iiceof82i.'f;,(MM),000in the amount 'ol
10 pervaded I he eoiintry
i' was «(J;j;^.(Iou,000. or
iiiHuraiiee theie was a larn'cr ad
11 1887 it was«I!il,oO(M,oo. ;,m ad
\ance. In ]>S7!» it
tire insiicanee In iif«
was $81;. 000.000;
Mirance. Now, hn u.s ^r,, to
••oasting trade of C.e Dominion
vaiiee oi
'50
|H'i- cent, ill jiii. i,
wa.s 12,0(i»),(j;i:j to
II"*; in 1887 it
-somethinjrelse totally dilfcent-tho
11' loniia.;x' emjiloved in 1870
of ve
ly nearly 50 per cent.
Tl
wais l7,51;i.UU0 toi
1?*, an advance
^y^'::.^^^!;!:!:^!^:::'"'--^---^--'^-'-'^
2«)
H(»N. Mu AHUoTT— Tin- .Htafi^ii-'^ nt tlic .•M:l^li^^: frmh- "t'
ai'i'ivii)^ ami
HI'
Hi-ili.^li ('•i|iiiiil>iii .sli'iwcft t|i«- utiioiint i>t tiiMii!!:
i|('|iiirtiii;4; ill If^T'* to !)»■ 2>;],T0T tons; in IMS; it wjh 1 -I"*!, I-'W t<
'I'liiil \V!i- ;i country in wliicli the ->lii|i|»iiiir iiiilii««ti y. ;it nil cVfiit"*.
was not >liinirusliin;x niiicli. ihiisrimch !i> it \^•Jl^ ncarlv ->i'\<'ii liiiics
art mvat in 1HH7 ji^ it wan in IH7!>. In oihui' wordh, it pi-iictically
intica^nl liM» pt'i' ci'iit. t'vciy year o( iln |H'i'i..i|. I think 1 liavt
|iri!tty iK'aily I'Niiaiislcii the I U. as ttii- as it in<lii!il«'s ihc cxtt-nl
(»!' luHiiu's.s don*'. I tliinl» the tiguifs arc favoial'lf My iniprct.-
hion of ilu in is lliut tiny ^ii|i|iori cXJictly tin' iiiM|io-.iti(iii I laid
down wIk'ii 1 I iiMinu'iK'tMl to read lln'in — lliat in cvi'iy dt iiartnicnl ot'
our Itnsiiicss, in vvi-vy iinaLfinalilt' imliisliy, ilu> worUiiiijiui'noi (in-
coimtiy liavf ]»ros|«Mt'd and liccotnc jiiafticMlly wealthy, iindor tlio
rofiinf, oi' \\\*.' Xatii'iiii' policy.
1 tliink my lion. I'i ii^ud I'min Midland (iiii',lil 'n lu- < (miIciiI with
lliosi- lio-iui>>. i a|);i(>nl i<> Idin as a < oiunn'i'cial inaii, and a 'tnaiicia!
man. and as. [ daiv s;iy, a hi'itri' jiidy:(! o< tln^sc i .imrs than many of
us wiio dit not prc'tond to Ids special knowlcdijc. wlu'tlnM' tho fact
that then" had lircn a l;ii'i.n'i' rantfc of ili-ruiints. ;i lar,!;i'r amount of
Havinjfs, a larger amount of ot' hM-«ini'ss tiaiisMtcd, and fewer had
dcltts made, arc tacts which he would hiin-clf interpret as conclusive
proot'that his husiness was not juo-pering y And I am glad to put
tho question in that way to my h'ui. iiicid, hecauso he asked us for
some evidence of the iViiitioii from the expenditure that has heen
incurred in developing the intt'i-nal communications of this country
d.uring 'he l.ast ten years; and [ ollei- to him as siudi evidence this
increase in cverv thing which the people of this (Mtuiitry possess, and
in cverv hu'^iii ■ -' ;. h 'he people of this cound'v engage in — an
inci'case of iiO to 7(ill iicr cent, du in:.'; tho years I rofei- to . and J
think it is toi^-vdny giod ovidence, and that the fruition it ostah-
lishes is a tolerahly gooil crop foi' the seed wo have sown, in the
improvoment of our internal communications. 1 think <uir shop has
Huceoeded ])rett,y well during those years. If commcrciul men could
succeed as well in increasing their a>;sets, ado|)tini,f tho simile whi( h
my hon. friend Used — if ihey could hhow su(di results in i'ash, in
capital, ill trade, and in their husiness, they would justly and joy-
fully congratulate themselves.
Hon. Mr. POWKK— What about the debt?
ii!i:(' aii'iviii;^ iHiil
wan 1 -I7'i. I-'W toll*,
stiy, at all t-vciit-,
nouflv ■'I'vcn tiijH'K
lU'db, it pfactically
1. I tliint< J liav<
luliriltt'S till? OXtt'Ill
I'ul'li' My iinpivb-
i< |ii'ii|Mi-^iliiiii I lai'l
'vciy lit ]iailnit lit nt'
Will l<iiiL;tiu'init I 111'
wiiilthy. inidoi' tlu'
: !i) lit' < (iiiiciii wltli
nan. ami a 'iiiaiicial
^xnn's tlian niany of
'. wlu-tlitM- tlio tilft
ii lai'i;»'f aiiKMiiit of
•toil, a I II I ti'svVT had
fijui't ns (•iinclii>ivo
1x1 I am ;j;lad to put
iiiM- In- a^kcd us for
iliiit' thai has lieon
oils of tlli^ coiiiitry
such evideiiei- this
I'oiiutry possess, and
iiti'V nii:;af;c in — an
< 1 rofor to . and J
ho Iruition it estah-
e have sown, in the
I think our shop haw
mnicroial men could
111;; the simile \vhi< li
1 i-esults in cash, in
luld ju-tl}' and joy-
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Hon Mm. AHll./IT-Th. .I..f
work-, 'I'll,. I
creijii i;
III.
'"" «ci,i|,.„inM tioin Midland
' is ''pic.-..'ni,.d l.v
p ihli
niiiri('\
WOI'
'"?: expcml. d ii, advanii
Vcr\ pcopcM-ly ^iWH
lih
<s;aii.lo„...-,H.d ,„,M,i ih„, ,1,. ,.xp..„.,„u,v|,M.
l;'(<oi|-
!
Mve. and thai it ha^ li(.,.ii M^phl
■""'""•■'" "olu lll'ili.l, (•,',|ui|",l
'"•fK'i.'d. i> ih,. p|.„„j ,(„„ ,|,, I,
area^-reat deal heit.r ahie t,
we vv.Mv ill 1S7S, wl,.,,, u,
"-■• ^MVr II- rhc oil
icr niulit.
|>a_\- inf. -rest m, mtr
"'Unn 111.' ^■aliona^ I'.. I
>i;i>l|r il
\v.
liiaii
lc\
iI'»N. Mil. MAC|t()\.\|.|»_'f
•iKhU'cn inilli..iis in i|
WeMy-seVei, mill
le tofiii, |. Veil!'
oiis (low niraiii-t
II ON M
liavc cited II
K. AliHo'l I'-V
I ;rer ah
le.sc
liii'iir
'\' mil.
e> lioj .)nl\-
llllllKUl-
'liiilry IS proirressiiiiT, ji,,,, j,,.,,^.
|"''»\c Mil.slanti:illv ll
lai I,
lo show whal an
values ot otii- foreign t,
Mhsaii-^factiny i^'iii.i, ll
,'re.- i.i^. |.j,|,i,||y aiidsai.dy. hiil
ale,
as thev a|.p..';(i- in ||,,. .,,
|'p»l'elit n-ilils „( t(,
IIIlsUc
are
;^:i :r';;^;'i:;:,r: *' ••-""^--i.i.esueeessiif.^xiai:...,
I' .N. t i' U'-'"' ........s.rylo... rnr.i,eriMthisdisecti.,n it wouM
" "'^y ": .^'"•^^- ''>• "'<• '•^l"--..c. „.e,. ...u,n...i..s ,.. .
'''■^•'•'^•'H<-tfo:..io„t,a.lo.doesnotneees.. iu
"'" -'""-■ I'i< werchctaci ,hi., .uj. ,;. '.i;.,. „,„.
ly iriij-ly III, d.r;i(i,'iic,M,t
laii Hot
h our
'''>■''''■'■ '''i^''''!^ '''V d. .H.tc.dwi.h such'adiuiral
tion, has iM.t'i, tre.)uently in piceiseiv tii.
: :""' f""-' «'■"-■■'"■- ■!• r,„,. . , ,i„. .„„'i, ,,,'us, ,:, „
he t'Ves of some of
.hey we,.„ ,„,,k.„,.,i,.t.,..i, ,„.„„..,,,„., „, „,„,.,.. ,,„vo 1,:;,, ^1
^.« lie I.,,. lo„ yoa,.,. riierolon, „|,|,„„gl, their ,l„.„i,,„ „,„|„ „...„
i
22
rtiirin;,^ tlwit period the Ignited Stales was in a pcnlous coivlition— that
it was povony striclvcn and depressed. There are other instanceb
which apply to the same j.oint. New South Wale- had a toi'eign
trade of £21.(1(10.000 stei-ling in 1S82 , it had taUon otV to £ir),000,000
in ISSC. a ditterence of nearly £T,000,(tOO sterling; hut hotween
188:5 and 188U .now S<nith Wales was not going dnwnwui'd. I think
ovoryho<lv is aware of the faet that X.'W South Wales is one of the
most prosperous colonies we have; that its credit stands in Engian.l
as hi-'h as anv otlier colony except our own. It has prospere.l to an
CKtraordinary degree, and has he.'n, ai.d is, a I'apidly progi-essing
colony. The hon. gent leman from Prince Kdward Island can correct
me \h am wrong in thai, hut ihat i-^ the assertion which is made to
me, and that v- the -statement I find in the hooks. The Ignited States,
durin-'- a recent ]ie/iod, has passed through a similar condition of
thin<.-'s In ]88;i their foi'eign trade was Sh.UT. 000,000 ; in 188(j it
was "only Sl,3U.00O,(l0O,, a falling olV of over 8200,000.000. Is it
possilile^hat this country, which attracts so much the admiratwnof
my hon. friend, should he going to ruin hetween 188:i and 188(J, in
the latter part of which perio.l my hon. friends were cryino- out for
commercial union with this country? Surely it co.dd not be
po.ssible I
Hon. Mm. POWIvR— Wei\eve!' wanted commerced union.
never went in for commercial union.
We
Ho.v. .Mii. ABBOTT— 1 do not know for whom my hon. truMul
gpeaks when lie says that, hut if I judge from what 1 have read of
the speeches of hon. gentlemen who profc'^s to be on the same side
of pr.litics as my hon. friend, I think that two yeai's ago there were
a good many advocates of commercial tinion in the .Doii.inioii, and
the organs of the i)!irty wei-e crying out for it.
Hon. Mr. POWER— Some of them.
Hon. Mk. ABBOTT— Some o1 them (hat we do not often see,
may have had the good sense not to recognize the movement, hut the
principal oru'ans of the party were clamoring foi' it. and that ut a
time vvhen,' according to my hon. friends argument, the Uiuted
States must have been going to tlie dogs, in con,sec[uenee of the
decrease in ita foreign tradg.
oo
ndition — that
her instances
i;i(l u toroigu
() eir),()uo,ooo
hut hclweeii
•a)'fl. I think
; is one of tlie
Is in J'jnu'himl
•ospered to an
Y ]ii'oii;ressiniC
nd eun oonect
ich is made to
United States,
condition oi'
1)0 ; in 1880 it
100,000. Is it
adinii'atii)n oi
; and 1880, in
•ryinii,- out for
could not be
al union. Wo
uy lion, triend
1 have reail of
the same side
iii<) there were
Uon.inion, and
not often see,
einent, hut tlie
and that at a
t, the United
)C[uence of (he
Ifn.v. ^^[\l POAVpn rp, ,
™-«i.-.l in,i,„, ,„„l ,,„,.„,,,. „,„ ' " " ' ™'l'i-<',t,v .,,,1 ,,,„,.
"■ivo,,,L4,,I,.;!:,,r;;:;;;:^''''^ '-'"»"'• i-'y'-.-
Ho.\. Mf{. ABBOTT— A ( .,ii ; ,
leaders advocated .nn^Lit ,; "^'"":-.'*^^'-*' ""'^ '-<ny <,f i,,
advocated con..e,cia, ,:. t '^Tf^^''^ '''T] ^'^"^'"''^
.hall r eall ,hen. ?-ono of those e .r ;<,r;in "~"''"*
nnion or univstricled recinrofiM-. i . ''■^'"'"I— ^ifher comniereiul
«"st ha^S heen, .;;co d '^ t n ' ^^^'^^^-^'^he United 8, a, es
and dc.cay. in conseuuenc; of ,e '•'^^"^'■^- ^ condition of ruin
n^y Hon. friends X - (^ ' '^'"'"^^^ '^^ '^"^ ^--^^" ^'-de;
them which woudet^,^ el. "■;""""•""' "■'='"^^" ^^'^
mainly on the ,r und o t/' 'T '"""''^ ^ """ ^^""^
The United Stated ha^hee • '^"V""""^'"'"' prosperity.
jM-im fiiiMiii
country— that is, cxpD
24
■tiiiu' inur.ufafluro — il oi
lo-lil Id have roa(.'h<3d
it l.y that ti
lUO
ll o\ij'-ht to have l>eoii ciKU'iiKni:-
holjjU^^s. ami t'ailin,<i-, J)(>iiiinioii
poor
but it is a mo:
111
lie wav t>l
;t sin-^-iiiai- t;u'l thai Canada is ^tx
alii'ad lit this
Ibivign tnule ;
ailv in advance of
the llnitod States in its toreii-ii lni(
United States can lie ])rospe!otis w
le. IFow is it ixissil.le that the
hen its forei,i>:n tr.ide ean lie
so
^inail — so contenqitilile, one nii
ii'ht sav, as eomiiared with a conntr}
I of
he said to date from the time tlie Cioveniment
like this, with .-.Mnparatively no eaiiital, an^l with a sh.n'l peric
prosperity whieh may
,doj)fed the National P<*liey.
Hon. Ma. .MA.CDONALD (Midlan i -She exported t.i (ireat
Britain four limes as rautdi as she imported.
Hon Mr ABBOTT— That does n<>L attect my ai-aiment at all.
I see tluU; in spite <,f the alle-rd deorea-e of the a-i^re-ate amonnt
of the foreio-n tra-le of Ca'ia'da, whieh is ])ointed at hy the advocates
ot' the deeadenee ol Canada,
of u
niesti'ieled I'eeijiroeity as a pr
.of
that fii'ei-i'n trade is u'reater in the projioriioii <»
f -U to 23, than tin
forein'ii trade
t the United States. If the amount of forei-n ti
ade
a test o!' pi'osperity. we are more prospei
IS
Stat((s.
)us than the Unitei
Yet the alloijed small amo
ui
itol'our foreign trade is ust
lion. i;-entlemen fipposite to p
r<i
Hi hy
1
to save ourse
Ives tliey say that we ou.
ive that we are fallin,^ into rum, anc
-ht at once to throw ourselves
in
to the arms of a country nueh less prosperou
accortlin;;- to that
test, than we ai'e ourselve:
TI
lis IS Ol
le of the inconsistencies hoi
I int(
gentlemen ojijiosile are tu.'cei
Hon! .Mu. POWKR— We didn'Moo]< for foreign trade, hut for
a larger home market.
Hon. Mh. ABBOTT— And without looking speeially for atoreign
trade we have got it. 1 do m)t understand how we should get a
-home" market hv recii.rocity of trade with the Un.teil States.
I am not yet prepared to call the markets ..f the United States a
"home market." I think [ have demonstrated-! may not heagoo<l
iudoe-hut I have demonstrated to my own satisfaction, that our
lorehni lra<le has increased largely under the National Policy, and 1
think I have also est.ahlished that during the same period all the
internal industries ot the country have increased in a still greater
::.)
Vuv^ U> that
teiicics hon.
ado, liut tor
■;till groator
propnrtioii. 1 ivpcul. lluit llic latt
Nat
lonal
J'oli
IT was tlic i)iiiicii)al ohjcrt of t!ie
uirrea)<in;Lr its foieijiii (laiU
•J. and III M'euniiii- that ohjtTi, and at (he
('?
xpcct of it. when it \va
by the pre^ioiit (idveriinicnt.
What
s osiiililishfd as th
i-atnc tiino
1110 all that its (Vi«'iids could
jiohcy (;!' till
S COlllltl'V
aKoii
IS tiie position now ,,i'hon, nfntlcnion opp.,si(.. who i
part nil his dohate'/ They, 1 thinlc. lailcMl
lave
IS any necessity in this country H.c a ( 1
any i^roat hody of the neoplc in li
iaii"-f
I to prove that iliore
1 '.lo not tiiink tliat
loy once knew the ti
his country desiix- u chans-'e, and if
IS to the position of ony alfiiirs th
e mini-
'er of people who dc^rc a clian^-e would he much smaller' than it i
J?til, unfortunate
y. tlieie is
countrj', its position, its trade, and
sueli a torivnt of depreoiation of il
10
lis industries, etrntinnally pouretl
upon the pen
that we find people all through the eountr\""wh., [
plo ti'om certain parties, and organs of puhl
le oj tin ion.
all ot
any portion of the discii,-
■cnow nothini
at
are enforced l.y the gentlei
-ion, exce])t the pi'opositions whi(di
on tl
nen wlio favor the
10, occasion of electioi
111 with their
These are the onl
IS, and hythe editoi'ials of party jjaj
oi'ations
iei'8.
y sources ot intorniation, unlortitnatelv, to whicl
argo section of the ].eo])le seek ac(
•I'positc, and their or-jai
ess; and, as niv hon. fri'ind.-
IS.
we not in the \rahh of statin-; what
he said on the opposite si.leof the question— at 1
read the spe-ches ol orators at
m
tt least s(j far as I I
«y
lave
m
uny wl
hound to
lO !'(
ally im
lections, and elsewhere — tl
lei'e are
agine thar we are on the vei'go of ruin. ]
say that orators on the (
some degree, to the i
spee(!h of inv 1
e])roa(
h ot
"overninent side may he opei
exaggeration.
lou, friend from Yorl
J
sue
eh suhjccts; but it i
Iv a model for the d
I hat
s a mod(d very siddoni liil
a calm, uniinpassioned statement of f?ict.-
;iin
I, in
eonsidei' the
iscussion of
OW(^i|
think
',\' persons
, . , ' ...t-...^^.oneo siaiemeiu ot IT^ct.- made hv persons
living the contidenee of the people, would ^o tar to set at rest' the
discontent which has been tostered in some ..uarters. by groundless
').■ exaggerated statements about <nir disti^ess, our t^^oliblcs our
comiir '''"n" "'?. '''"■'"^"' '' "'^ ^'■^''^'' "-^ ^'-' "^'-'-l^lo
n f!?"'""^' -' ""■ """'^^'>'- ^^""'^ ''^ ^•'•'^ representations
de a Kjut the sugar traded (<an any hon. gentlemim charge his
"Hid u.th reading or hearing a speech on that side of politics, which
•M no,, charactcri.e the amount of protection aitonled to^ sugar
-hners as somotliing enormous, and as being represented preci^ly
•O the dutyimposcl upon relinod sugar V-T-l to loO pcM cent is
26
the ineasiii't' of pfoti'Ctioii that is statcil fo have l)0?ii uTuntpii to
8U!j;ar ro/inerh. It is rojireseutod tiiat it is i»y muans nf tliis extrava
gant ainomit ot'pi'oloctioii, they iti't' piliiiif u}»iminonse wealth. IlaR
ain'oue evci- lieai'd it stated that the taxation of raw suu-u- for I'otiii-
iii,u: ]iiiri)osc's. which docs not ntloct in any respect t lie nianufacliuers
of rotincd sMt;-ar, except to compel them to raise the money to ]jay
the duties; air! wlii'-h do"s iu)t |)rotect them in the slii^htest dogree ;
is nearly as <jji'eat as the duty on refined si)i;'ai''i' <'hii anyone point
to me a sp(;ech made airainst the Govei'nment and the National
Policy in which that condition of things was hi'|uarely stateil?
llov. Mk. rOWKR — I irave to my hon. frienrl the figures the
other day — (J5 per cent.
Hon. Mr. ABBOTT — T apologize to my hon. friend; 1 <lid noi
liear him say so. But J still ajtply my remarks to speeches of othei-
gentlemen he-re !i
m\ in another |)hu.'c
It is. not fortv-eight hours
since a geiitlem;in staled in another placi; that the amount of pro-
tection altbrded to sugar relinei's was '.V\ cents a pound; and I think
1 1
leard m t'n-
II
ouse am
1 d
irui"'
(his debate the statement made
that the pi'oteclion was 10t> per cent. In jioint of faot, the duty
imposed on raw sugai- averages ()5j*\y percent. ; an<l on refined sugar
71 ])er cent. ; and the ditlerence between those two duties is all the
proteetion the sugar r(>tiner has. The ditferenee between Go/'j and
7] per cent, does not, however, correctly indicate the percentage of
taxation, because I'etine I sugar is of greater value than the raw
tei'ial. The actual protc-etion afforded to tlie sugar refiner is
ma
the diiVei'enee between t!r)j",f per f.'ent. on r
iw sugar a
nd 71 i)er
"cut
on re
fined sugar, yv^/s the disturning element caused by the differ-
ence in value of the clasK-- of refined sugars used liere, beyond the
raw ma
terial. 1 am not an advocate of sugar retineiv
iiave no
■(toek in theii- companies, and know very little about them; but I
see what the law is. I see the figures, and I can make the calcu
hi-
tion, and what I have kfated as to that is correct. That is the kind
of exaggerated statement that is put befoi'e the people, I quote
that onlv as one. but it is the kind of exaggerated statement which
m-
has made a t'Ci'taiii number of proselytes for the iloefi-ine of eo
merciul union. But I believe they are not very numerous, and that
their number will iliminish dav by day. There is one thing which
granted to
lis oxtrava
•ill til. IfilR
11' tor I'otin-
mitaf-'Uirt'i's
)iioy to ]jay
t'st (legi'oe ;
ivono ])i>iiit
le Niilional
II tod ?
the inlolliireiit people of di
nients in favor of tl
21
IS COIJlltiy nill8t MOf
in, 11
le ineonsisteiu'v of (li.»o
U'liow.lrH.trinoof mirosfnele.i
iee in all i||,.s,> .,
risii-
Histanet- a nliort tiini
now— u'lion iveo trad
we wore ur.o:o'l (o (;|,,'(
ifii-iiments witli oadi oil
r»'('ij.)(ici!v, A'Jiioli
t,i?o— l.ut the Hibjeet
IIT.
I'
oi-
^' was the j.olicyof my hr.„. fri.'nd
'•^ ]>;ot(y i.carlv ,ivtni
State- ,
iiiroly
and
'w ourselves into tl
S
li'ave this woi-thloss al
■^ I'ppo-.JtO,
le arm- ,,f d,,. r,n,i.,i
11" nian is so io.,u)r;,nt
""Jiiinable, poliey of proterf
nioi'o hi^-hly protected tl
'*'« not to see (hat tl
ion.
(rad
do not
>"nwearo; that there the prineiplesot
fj'eo trade prinei]>|
P''«^-'»il at all; that there tl
lat eoiinli'v is
i'lve
lev are a,-
friends say, they have f
liare in that tree tradt
^'^'^asmanyeoiintryin thew.u-M.
lee trade hetween themsol
iintan'unisi ie to
iini, rnv hm.
the
Tl
<'lieaj)est, and .soi
i^' l>niiei])le of i)vx' u-.uh
V'.'s. and \\
is
they otfoi' ns, is to
1)1
"nly, fo the exol
tieoui';
■ai'ost niai'kel. ]}iit the i
elves (hnvn to free trarle witi
e will
o liiiy in
'•ei' fradi'
f'hasin^-p.nver of that country ft
usionof thorestof the world, and wl
1 one coiinti
y
ion (
">go ? AV'e h
live nowhere
■oni any cause ceases, wl
H' pur-
particular kin.l of limited f
else
liore a?'e we
we nuisl confine ourselves (o (1
noth
heci
happens a-ain ? Thev toM
'ins loft. AVe have been toM ,|
"'«■ the United States could not ).
■*'e ti'ade, and if that fail
ii>
lat our distre
s us we have
"y
country's policy bee
us that w
<nir lunibeiv
ss ill ]S78 was
Siipp
iO.-e
bat
■<-• ought to aiiandon il
ought to join that
;mse it was not a free trade nol
11. '
fcninti-y and come un.l
policy, and we
not a thw trade jiolicy. The f
or its policy, bocau.se i(, wi
(•a
iiy d
ead
Hon.
•ee trade cry, howev
:is
election. Then we ha<l
■entlemon abandoned ^h
IS now practi-
Halit
commercial union
at at the last general
1,
ax say.s that was not the doct
My 1
knows the doctrine of tl
ine of the ]uir(v. ()t
1011. friend f.oin
oard members of the part
•gansoflheparty; and J bel
party better than I do; ionlvl
y say, and what I h
cours(> he
Iv-now what
ave read in the
after free tnid
Opposition.
came commei'cial
K've, with (he people ',fran:.d
nnion.
a. tiiat
a;^ the policy of (}
le
lo h
Commercial u
anvth
ive any control ovei
"ion is the .loctrine under wbi(d
iiif''
but it
our
found out aff
taritf, and in fact, f
> we should Cease
niiirht
awhile that that b
sa\- over
large a morsel tor the people ovilot T "" "'" "">
union followed the fate of fZ r d ^'f'' '""^■- ^^"'' ^•"mmeit-ial
i-.o with the leade^^^I^; "'' T 7""" ''"''''^''^ '^ •'-^•'
ot the Mity J mu8t except my hon. ftiend
28
IVorii X.!\v Wi-stminstor. JIo ^tilI fllillk^ ii iIh> -laiid r.-iiuHly lor all
our evils, a kin<l of Mon-ihon's ])ill I hat (•iircs ovcry disease, and
iiitus.js Iioalll. and vi.yor into tho body of tin' conuaoMWoaliii. He
oontimifs to think so.' l.ocauso ho kiiou's of an cjisy way of ixetting
over the ol.jeetion to eommeirial union. Wo have only t(. send
Home one over to make a bargain w.iU liiose --entlemeii al Wa.-^hinK-
ton, and establish a lai'ilf wliicdi would be a<lvantageous to us; then
to make an a<,'reeinent that tliat laritV shall not be distui'bed for ton
or twentv veais, an.l there you are! You have li^ot an ad\anta,i,n'ous
tarilT. whieh you have a-nved to. and therefore it inu>t b.^ advan-
tageous. And you iiave got it elleeiually put in sueli a position,
that it cannot be changed for whatever ])erio<l you choose to select!
J do n^ t know how my hon. friend ])roposes that those negotiations
can be brouuht about. 1 do not know how ho intends that we shall
ovon'onie in the diplomatic struggle, these <)(),(I00.()0() of American
pooi)h>. oi' make our intluence equal to the intluencc of those sixty
millions. unU'ss it is on the |)lan of Cant. Bobadil, of whom ho must
have read, in his researches into ancient history about the iinnex-
ation manifesto. The j^-allant captain proj.osed to destroy the
enemy's army, by selecting twenty tall fellows, challenging twenty
men. killing Hiem : challenging twenty more, killing them ; till the
army was annihilated. Would he divide the sixty millions into
sections of tive millions, and overcome th.-m diplomatically, on
equal terms as to numbers, section by section ? But having by that,
or some other equally infallible means, made an arrangement as to
the taritV advantageously for (!anada. he proposes to crystalize and
perpetuate it by anothei- agreement— that is to say, by a tj-eaty, 1
suppose. Of course, that would be perfectly satisfactory. We
know how punctillious oui- friends below the line are in canying
out tiealies. We Icnow how agreeably they liave behaved to us m
respect of the Fisheiics Treaty. We know how amiably they boi'o
our moderate attempts to enforce it, and how they submitted at
once, without a nmrmur. when wo ti'ied to carry out some of those
conditions. Of course, if they made a ti'caty like thai, with us, they
would carry it out. They would not threaten retaliation, or close
their borders against us. if we aske<l them to%) what they had
agreed to; the twenty years' agreement would be a perfectly safe
and reliable thing for this groat country to dej^end upon, in making
41 fundamental and irj'etrievablo change in its policy; ami so we
*
Hhoukl be. as my hoM. nioM.I think..
:ivo wlfl, my iu)i,. fVioi.d from Vi
fiu
iinj)0.s.sil))o. [/■ J \\
^ iM u porfcct ooiidit
t'tnria (hilt all H
ion of
"iigl.t u,se a more oxpru.ssivo wo.vl
<•'•<' not .speaking in so .|iirni,i,,|
Hov. Mn. .AIACDONAL0(V
Ho.x. Mai. ABMOT'l'—TI
fo clianiffen'/e it.
ifoty.
lis is alisoliitely
uii assembly, I
''''<"•':')—< 'all il -Im-sI,
'iiiigs into his (liscu.s
'lal u'oiiM
fXlil
-loii the at
e.ss II
-M
'"•1I1.V i'aets alxnif ii ,vhich he .1
"KNalion manil
y ii"ii. fVieiuL
»'slo, and hi- te!|
WIN not, old enoii-rh t(
*'- not reeolh-ft himself I
iin.l which h,. undertake, t
rememlK':-. hut Avhieh I
eeaii'-e
lo not k
Icnow
le (
llu•oll^•IlOll^ tl
I'l'oeily tie;it.\- av
\vere in a stale of a '-it
He tells lis (hat II
•'>"iitfy: that ih.lid
<'iiiuid me ot: How he I
eniemhe:' vere well
Je Idea of aniie.xat
t^'ained them 1
loii
not
'-^ made ,n 1854; thaf lor tl
men who .signed tl
■""•'1 in fav(ki- of annex-
''i'a]>pea.' until
ie.-»' scvfii \'
p.'''\'iil(;d
the rcHd-
eais We
-M
IS manit
"lion, and th
ontroal. were, in fi,ct tl
•'■■*lo. a not
ientli
I'ofei-enoe to anne.\;iti
!»' ivpresenlaii
Vt'l'V tuimei'oiis hod
\'e
>t tl
y in
If
m\- 1
ion; and he says m,h,,dv w
I'ememhe,' that: tl
i"n. friend Jiad been (
K're was no toundat
<'n or tiftt-on \
annexation manifesto was tl
ion for f|
H' whole jieopio in
ii>^ ever eeii'^uu'd for
le Would
eaj-s older 1
in a small portion of th
I'OlltiiToWth of
i"se statements. ^j'Jn,
,.,, ... ■ '"^ I'opniaiion
^M'ubtsamong,<t the most loyal of tl
le population of the P,.o\
m outburst of petulai
lee
of tl
It' peoj)lt' who si"-ned tl
le I
I'ovinees of ('
than the Knglisl, po(),)|e d
H! annexation manifesto we
of Ame
poople fell, t
netui origin who
po()])le themselves. Th
lore \v^i|■(' ;, f
■n'-e of Quebee—
anada. Most
I'e moie Io\al
■■^«ized uinomentof passi(
paper. ] venture t
,a:ontlemen, tl
to get .some hundreds of p
)ii
o .siv that
with
tl
■o])le in Montreal t
<'\v gentlemen
into which these
hiKi
lere was not
le exception of tl
States, il
any more set
■loiis idea of seeki
' 'nan who signed that
o sign thi.s
American
manifesto who
IOs(>
nm a petulant child who Strikes 1
n.i? annexatpon with the United
niurdering her. Tl
10.000
H\y wore exai
'i«nur.se, hasof deliberat
men, who had sufle,e<l dist
vising before those d
'o retain for th
'JS petitioned the (
'perated by the faef, that W]
'■essanddi.sasterin the luif
X'ly
iien
believed to bo
e consi.lemtion of Hi.,. Majesty
governor of the time I
'o''fnna(o
lei
passed for paying the
a Bill
ng
\vhi(di they
30
lanctio). Ilio Bill. Tho pcojilo were i-xcitod, iind di'l many things
ihov behiived in a veiy rough
and
that Ihcy oiiii'lit not to have done; iho\
niiiniic'i
to ili.- ICxfuUency, which tli(;y oiii^ht not to have done
\vi
thill i\v<. or threo (hiys, while wlill undrr tho inrttionce of this
f'tlu^m signed this paper. But there was no
excitenieiit, a numlier o
lonce of any a-itatiou t.y these pno])!e for /mnexation. Before
evid
tlie vear was o
vor it was like the showers o
)f last soasoii ; and as fjr
the ))fO]de not iieing tensi
ired for tlitdi' signature of ihi-< dticunient
J Ci
n s[
)oa
k for invsi
without distinction in their eai
document more than forty years ago.
U, and for some of tlu- men wlio iiave noi heen
■eer in this cnuntry, who signed that
that time an ensi
I wart the ])Oison w
1 had the honoi- ot hcing at
i;ii in the Militia. I received a h iter enquiring it
ho had >iii,ned thai nuiiiife.-to. 1 rcjjtied lliat I
was, am
1 my commission was immediately eanct
lied. I wa
S IHM
iueed
to the ranks. Sir .lohn Uosi^, who suhse.iueiitly hecamo one of the
most prominent men
in the cnuntrv, who was, wlien lie ilietl
one of
tliccontidenlial adviscr.-
ot 11 i^ Eoval lliiihness the Pi'ince of Wale.s,
had his silk li'own taken iVoni him
ant
I i rcmeml)erweU hisdiscon-
certe<l
look wlun ho entered the court, and instead of taking hi.'.
UKU'C
witli the (Queen's (Jounsc
1. took a back .seat l»c.-ide Mr. (no
w
Judge) J(di!i.-un, wlio was in exactly the same po^
reproached with that ; it does not trou
dtion. I am often
ble me much. When J I'aisod
300 vo
ilunteers at the time of the Trent alVair. in three day
loyal and gallant old county of Argenleu
suntative of mv Sovereign, ihecommis-'
at con.loned the oftence of my youth. And 1 have twi
th
batta
from
House with these remini
am only excjiiplifying the perioi
in the
iil, 1 received from the repre-
on of ccdonel; and 1 thought
ce led that
lion to the frontier, to assist in repelling invasions of brigands
within our neighbors' territory. I am wrong in detaining th
*cences. Old age is always garrulous, a
id I
I of life which 1 nave reached. This
panacea which my
hon. friend troni New Westminster advocates:
„.l which, like a Sungvado in politics, he stickr, to when everybody
Ise abandons it; is nearly identical with the I'esolution of Mr. ilitt,
the same charateristies as wliat 1 understand to be
This resolution, which he approves of so highly,
Mr. Jiitt's sentiments in Ihe speech
am
wli
ich
Dossesses
commercial union.
that 1 notice he adopts many of
th which he favored us last nighty say:
wi
"That whfnever it shall be dulv cortificd to the fresieient of the United Slatea
that the Government ot the Dominion of Oanadahas declared a desire to establish
f '
31
i"onimor<-ia| ii
MIO
'"'"'"'"' '"-^-'^ to be rollectod
V*''"'""' Ignited Staifs. Im
l'roijf;lit, info ,.ii|„,r
i){'tW(
•I'll tiic r'
oouiifrv f
■>'i<l like irii
^■'"fr a uaiCorni r,
llHTttll()S(MVllOIIlllvl,o|
"""I«t"tcs„nd Cuuul
rorii other „iit
""•( Unties to
vi-nue system, likf
!ii. Ii,
ions, uiii
'" Prq-are ,i pLi,, ,br the assimil
•ati'H oft ho two CO
union ; mid sa'ul c
I'fjioft liel'ore Conjjivss
ik<nvi,sedi..si),'M(itudt
iiall
' no diit
I'l'oiiit threo com
mposed on ariicJcs
I'm upon trade
'"It lies, and iin
"lion of the
f'i'<'I)iv^eu,^j,o(ioveni
'iiis.sioner.s to
oiiiiinssioiu.,.^ gl,„ll
'■•initahl
""I'oit duties un.l
'■ 'liviVioa of re
npoit to the P
'Ct
ip's, in a
imf(itof(^„„i,j
internal i
I't'-SKlelit,
a,
■even lie
•-'oiniiierciai
Xow, Mr. ifiit
"'lO sIlllJl ]„v ,,
!»>'■•* •-oine (liiim..s jii
"■■^t iii.nlit (liilnnt lepo.-K. Tl
'»t(li!i( o'entl
emiiii wiis in ,1,
. '';-"" ""•' vvliidi ,„v 1
7 '"";''"" ^•^■'■.n^l=unlvH-|
OVlllu- ilii
st'eii. II ii
Ivaiitages whi'-l
I one Jiiiii,]
I "oiildai:
'■•■■''I'liKioil, Jf,
I.' a
ilV.'s
'(•'I'lie to us tr
.vi'iir, the United Stat
'V'i millions of imports purel
■omconimeioiaiun
"f the dutii
I's "cre alile t
Ik'
ni-ly
'N inipo.sed upon them.
'•^ell forty-five mill
I'liiclia.sed hv (
'}' ( anada, d
ion (fill readil
similar value, how much
l'^'"l'le enjoy ifthey could send
would otii
Canada as freely as th.
ifinntactnrers a
competin^r with the Kni;!
greater ,share of this I
'ons in tha
t market
nrintr n,,.
'ii Wh(
ih
fCuglish m
ey now send tlieni (
submit to the tariff wh
n<l merehant.-
'" they landed,
''ir tnaiiiifactiin
'•"111 one .Stale to
I nil died mill
in .<pite
"'i' goods of
'ions of trade
iiid otherjrood
eomjietitors with
anothi
oiir.-
;> into
'■• while liie
''•"'" fliis plan of l,,\ la. ,,|
amounting to from--, to
'naiiiitartiirocs—no; J
nianiifhcnn.Kl good's. WluiTaiv
"""S tlial th,
"Ollld h;
P'-r cent.
Ill n
ve to
'^■■'■N ;i,'tisai),s aii.l nu-d
lit' i.s going to .soil
laiiic
loaiost bonolit. would
^^
ol
(lU'Ofs ? Jie does nof
Wo ooin:.- fo (1
l>''"i; itisoniyoi.r n-oiking rl
togctlVom our woi'kin.^ d
l";^.'^''"ltlia( ti..'y,uetu b,,i
'illVstt*. tllO fi
iN.'^e.s tJi<
In otii
' "'|>:il about
"■^ >^i(nhj()0,m)0 worn, of
> ^vitJi oiif niaiuif;,,..
IjOJldltoil Uy this
'• \void,s, i,e j„.(,
>f t);
^'•-'i'-'. and (bo svi
VroiUui of tbt'ir far,
('if baiKbs. Thc^o of
■•■'" t'lat can b
'po.seH
'^^^i, or the
'■y will .soli
nol
]>i'etond aiiytb
lis wbiit \\\' w
^•^'■!y kind tbev wilJ I
'0 rt.i.sod by ibt' bib
Of
iiio- elsf,
IJ
»"' of" nian>.fat:,u,ed ,
■y i'''<>in US, and
'Ii
.>*!l\'.
II
*■' docs
eciprocity was i.n^vided
I'niiada desired to sell
''■"'<et for afrricultnnil
« goods produced b
to us, but
for nat
iir.'il prod
net
ours could ne
!! wiiieii the
ll
iiiinket, if
produce. But good
\''- sell to th
agriculturists of
to the bus!
'.V our manufacture
opened to us by commercial
care has been tak
"■tn. 113 that
IS llol
's to the great mark
^'1 never to admit
mess interests of tl:
«t of Canada. Tl
•V'> iloubt, it wotild. B
ills country of
-'on on terms of perfect freed
lat
enormous value.
om. would
=ll< whoic would be
;'" ^-y -'• nart.,.al prodttcr ;;";"'' ^^^'^ ^'^""^ ^'> -? Th.y
''----xpiiin™of;r^;;r,s::;:::p'-^
% '
H
1)2
As tlu'V. wo'iM louvo.iHonly ..ur(<aston. h-usoH on tl.r soal.oard,
it wmiia not IH. -liftioull to s.o that nvo .-oUootoa thu .luli... l/^'T^-'b ■
Thc'V prnpos. to tako .-.u-o of that. '•There Ih no pnuHcul .l.ffl-
cultv" saVH Mr. llitt, -in having ofli-.rs of the lintel htatos
rovenur sorviee in their ports, with funetions oi mspeet.on to
pn.vn.t losses to our ■•venue or injury to our nierchantK. How
a.lieat.lv he puts it! Only to [.erform - funetion. of n.speet.on
Hut'after havin- aLolislMMl our Unite.! Slates frontier Custom
houses, and provi.le,! for IJi.itea States revenue otlieera to presule
over those that ar. left, tlu- taritf rales vvouM require to be a.l|n,stecl.
How i,s tliat to he .lot.e, un^a-r this sehenu- of henevolenee to our
>. fanners, artisans, and .neehanh's." This al.o is perfeetly suupl..
Mr. Hitt haKit .ut and -try. '• Undouhtedly." he says '; the^ , u.
bcin" subjected to the sa.ne tu.ilV with us, would, n. a 1 fairness, hr
': Isulted as to its provisions ; bu, WK. ^^^f:^Jl!^^^';;^;^^
i„ .,,1 tuinuss. GKNl-:iaLLY IIAVKTIU': I'UKV AlJ.lN x VOU. h
IX DKTHUMlNIXCi WHAT Tin-: IJATlvS SHOULD Bh. ' 1 do
Moi thitdc anvbody has any .loubt of that. We should be duly
.rateful for bei..^ eonsulted ; and after reeeivt„|.MluU .niportant
attention, we could not -rumble if ouradviee should be d.sr.-arded.
I have o.dv read these two or throe extracts to show exactly
,vhat Mr. llitt's idea was, of which some of the hon. gentleme.j
opposite speak in terms of approval; but it is still further developed
in U>e course of that spe.eh. It is not sufficient that the JmH.i
States should "deternnne what the rates should be, but that I.e
Uni.e.l States shot.ld put revenue offi.'crs in all our ports, to see that
the duties which Thev should determine upon, were ian-ly collected.
Tn phvin terms, they^iro to fix o.u- duties and then collect them lor
us The revenue officer of t;0,0(J(),OUO people, is not hke y t.'
t,ouble himself much, tdx,ut the revenue officer of a small outlying
satellite which contents itself with raising produce, cutting himber.
and catching fish, for the Americans; tttul with receiving what
pittance they may choose to dole out to us, us what they call our
oportion of the revenue of the country. Is the,-e any Canadian
Ivho has su.d, a contemptible opinion of himself and oj his countrN
as to yield to such a degrading proposition ? I refuse to believe i.
But let us look at a few of the. etiects of this admirable
arrangement. The mauuaicturers in the Utiited Stat.. wouM hav.
free al^cess to our markets. Hon. gentlemen on the other side sa^
.'{3
Yen
vvi\ ill ivtiir,,^ would I
^"'"";'.''pi'.'l,<uv to Ik. placed
IMVC l"f,;o lueo.ss ((» (I
" piodiictH or -.(»(((»
Ix'ir friarkctv
Tliat
with 1 1
"' «''>"niioUrt /niiiuinict
III a
nnii
L'nitod Slates ulivady li|,r""'"'''' ''''*' ''^''''^'i^'"''<'''-s of th
positi.,/1 or,.,,i,.i|j,y
■aj»
""" |>0(.plr, With
'" I'Olllpi'to
impairiii!
*' MirpliiN prodii.is .,(■ \v|
""fi'V and i.|
i|t,n<»,ssiny its
,N|
ilj)ply
l><>lii
'"'II' iiioanw or j
"""• <'oiiutrv. and
M.|lini);f tludi
>*•>« mannnicfinvs, wid
lOIlt
lllloii.
i,'t3iitlomt!n
'Cliat
do.
Tl
\\dio |,.iv<- I
is vvliat I
fi'iish out pv
i!»|>|»<Mic(| in JS7«' [ 1^.
I"-* i'i>unlrv' vva.-
'(-■011 ciii^a-od in I
■<''l". wouM sutlicu (O
'■^J Miuniiflicdnv in the
l^'""u- it. aii.j lion.
»'i-iiio>s j^
^"i-pliiH products on 1,(. Aim
""^'l'' ;• kind ofslau-l.tc, |,
iK'W it lifttcr III
tn
"">i<' nianulact
I'K'iiii iiiannlucfiu
J'l.sc, lor till
liiein atu ivdu,.,,!
""'- Mian i|„.y ,,,n ,,,.|,
i»\vn
i"'"''' ill ilifir (Av
nt li
■'^'■^. When tl.cv I
'"110, rlu.y wiii ,ioi
lavo
'^'•"•^'^- '^'"1 thoy nii^lu |.,v.. d
lillMlloy will shin (|
" <";"»My. Tl.at nu.ul.t l.reak-
with
'<»"it I'utui
P".on, foaoountrywlKMcfi
illiouliy jM rooo\
•-•'■iiii,^ tlioni.
■" ovil ooi
l'"iioy lollowi'd l,v 1 1
^'■'inono.vs (o (hernsol
i^'.V oaiLslaiiyliicr il
ovoryliody knew it. 'I|
it'iii iintii 1S7II. (i
vo.s.
Tl
loiri
''ill WH< fl,
w'un aliout to .St
*'•' a hmail fiict
"' ^il'Sl llliflj;- (luK
"koly to 1,0 oru.^iu-d oui |
'"'y in Canada, w
W.'l,sp,.rf,.,.(|y „„dc,,„)od;
"iiianthouiri.tofwlienlio'
'IS
il'th
pos.sesHion of
^«r>ooplfontho otIuu'sidooVth
'.V conipotiiion l.y t|„. |_
Jfow I
11' am I
nitod Statt'M?
our
in an iniioli of tl
J) rod 11
and tJm
(0 in u V
markcf, would it not (
"■ii" manuliioiiirod i^ood
*' li'H* vvislu'd to uvt c.vol
!'« worth tlioirwhil,. i(
■■* ay our inanutiirtiini
-'••«nd.ollittorlosstlianitoouldl
iisive
.Nond
IS can
in a I
'•< '■mil oui' local ind
produocd lor,
•■••■■ ",., locai nulustr ,.sv | ,.,,,,11 * '
'^y C'a.e.s in which that was <].„ ' , '' '^'''' "' ^''^' ^^
"I'-in horo is perfocfly awdre of
'^ <ioiie, and no douht
louhe
fonimon a,s the d
at rafoh with wiiich
.similar cuson. It
t'vcry hoii, gcntle-
\v. to send in .surplus produotsh
W'ls a jwactice as
what
waM th
w
■0 in 1 878? T ,j
I' result? Ifow
""'• manufaoturcrs could
("•(', nnd ^i'll the
m
many nianiifiict
ii'»t eomj)ete. And
^'"•'11. So that without
lo not know ; if u'c had
P'-U'lontial j,oIicy, thoy could
I'liy matoiial effort
"'•"'.i,'os(al>li.shn,ent,shud
i»"y, the numi
10 r wan verv
a.s a ni
^ritt descril
'■onvort u.s into fi
'•'s, as the one he proj
1'"^ "^ '" <-'xnctly the position h
"wnufactiiringindustr
ii'meivs, la ho
''• -y^y prioe thoy liked, wh
•It's, and im].'oso. tl
t-ro piece of
'"'1 that Mr.
- v.. s, „,,,,„,,,,,,_,,, „,,,^,
rers
and
pi-event for the fiit
en th
"«'n manufactures on
'ire anyetfort to d
'«y <li.l not wish to slau.^
us
eve
'iop th
iitor them;
« resources of this
34
couiiliv. Thiit would Ik' llu" ri'siilt of till' ailitptidii cjfMiich n |ir»licv
Tliis is not iiti opinion ; it l-* uii o.\|K!ri«'hco. It in wliiit liiis ii:i|i|)i>Mt'il,
aiiil what will liiippi'ii a^ain, if we air ever plaicd in tin' hamc
position an that which we oci'iipiod bi'foio IS7!). TlnTc is no risk
ill pi'ophcsyinj,^ lliiit. ihoiiirh f iioju' tlio truth of the pi'oplicsv will
ni>v»T have to hi- fxpi'iirnciitcd <in. From aiiotlior point of view
what would he the loiili ? Tin- abolition of <lutios hotwi't'ii ihis
country ami the llnit('(| States would I'oiliici'oiir itvcniie s'MucwIu'ro
alioiit |*s, 000,(1(10 as wo are now; but it wf <jjet all oui- iniporis, or
the laiiicr proportion of our imports from the United States, as
Wo should do as resjtc'cts all the tfoods we eould ;^et in that eoiintry
— when ouf imports from tin' Ciiiled Stales rcaeli the .§7'). 000. 000
inereasi' whi«'h Mr. Ilitt speaks of, we may liiirly assume that our
imports tVom oilier eoiiiitries will lie small iiidi'i'il. They will then
only consist ot'tho^e ai'liclcs not prodiueil in the I'nited States, and
on which wciniisl, pfrforc, pay duty; bccuusc, as rospeeta other
countries we would be tieil hand and font by the projioscd arrange-
men(. What wouiil be our revenue then'.'' What would we have
with which to suppoi't our (Jovernimuit, if our entire income from
this source were ilostroyed ? Of course, if we submitted to com-
mercial union, wt' shoiiM then taUo the allowance whic h the United
States would i^ive us. but that is a length to which Idonot think any
lion, gentleman is dispo.^ed to ;fo. [ ilo not think that those who
are now advocating unrestricted reciprocity would consent lor a
moment to the form of commercial union which Mr. llitt jiro-
poses. 1 do not think ihcy would consent to universal reci-
iirocitv, even if they had an o-iportunitv to carry it out, but
I am certain Ihcy would not accept commercial union. Hut
supposing; we had this unrorttricted reciprocity, in what would
the ditl'erence consist ? My lion, friend iVom Ottawa endeav-
<iuied to enli!j;hten me the other day about the distinction
between the two projects, and I think I have a faint glimmering
of it now. As to recipi'ocity on a reasonable basis, and to a reason-
able extent, we have always been ready to adopt that with the United
States. We made a reciprocity treaty with thern and it worked very
well indeed. It did not rc(juirc the elaboi-ate calculations of my hoiu
friends to .show that our business increased under it. AVe did not
terniiimte. it. The United States did so; and Mr. Ilitt says we shall
never have another. We had an oiler of similar reciprocity on our
Stutuf). \i„„k Cor a 1^
llie IJiiiti'il St
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"•^' prrio.! (.l-yciir.v W.. ^wil
tiato f-
Iho ii«'i;()Hati(»ii of I lie Fj,|
CtJ
|'»"< ill III.' limoof my Iiom. tnviul.
I tii."liii,.,l I'l'ciiiio.iiy. si'r CI,,,,.!
an atiil){i.»ii,|.,c i,,
'I»P'»''ilf. Id uviXD
»'s lii|i|M.|, at III,. (j„|,. ,,|
>*« and iiicaiii,'!' fl.f
'"•'•'''•- Treaty. „„i.le a lu,,,,:.! uir.i- t., -i
I'tMipn.cal li!i
'•' "l>i(M'lio„s l..||u. u„r.'Mri,.hH|
Hut
Ih-
tlio.sc (ii|',.,s wviv all
tl
».l'"'lloi,s (o iTcipiocily, I H|„.;,|< „1'
arc Mow ('(»hi(ii(li/i" 1
rt'(|j);,,,.ity wliicii I, IV I,
treaty, wlii.l, wjH
"i-.aiKl !„)( to a r.-aNuiiahl,. st.|i.il)|
"I. l/'it'ii'ls
in»l sacriiic
o rocipron'ty
«' our iM,lM>i,i,..s. and wlii.d, m- would
I'rcpart-d k, c.ii.vnt Ic if s,,,.}
'•Ul.isMMallcd u,.r..Htri,.tod rcTi,m„dh';'ivhirl."i
IfHllictcd t(» il
IJ
ri'ally
Ij'ith riatn
ourHclvcs, l,y what
tVco of ,||,iv
> an arniniiCini'nt
'■"11 Id lie liiadi:
und
I'lil and inanulactiuvd
l"'"l>"'l.-*"t'tliisro,„,i,.yandtlu.'L'nit,.d.St
^•oiild onabl.! wiiatovi-r we |,ind
'•vr,,r...vs,s.tol,fadn.itt..dinl..(lu. L'nitrd
«rHtand to Ik!
all's,
uco
l>»'i-cth(. ofduiy. TluMMU'ct
""' "'*''-l>''"<lurt>ol'a,siinilar<d
Slates
taracii'r In* admitted
•—... i"*'''"t'<l onourm-eiui.. would l„.si„.j, ..s II
ia\(»
united Slates, wo woul.l I
l«?ft to IIS lull d
lo^i' nur rt'veniie, and notliii,:; ^^,,,,1,1 U
'>P|»osod lo <liieet taxat
ii'ei't (axatioii. 'J'lie ]'
i"ii, and I tliiid.
rovine.! t(. whi<-l> I i.,..|.
'nir IS
J>i)<;sod to it.; Inn tl.at would Ik. rl
K "ilJ' people yenei-allv ar«(
strioted
rec
wJiat would be t)
liad III
'iprorityu.sinilii
H' iieees-iary result of tJu
le result ?
•'iieiiio' our revenue.
s 111! re
ii'cstrieted i-eciprocity
My
As a mailer of trade
"'II. Iiiends seem f. think" that ifw
111 tlds country, and ship it to the [
we could nianidaeture an vtf
not I
•(' infeifored witi
von n tries. AV'hal a I
1 a.- to oiifCii,s,toms dnt
lu manufacture anythinjr welikod
'nited Stales; and thai we .^houhl
.'ind maniifacturo cloth I
•out woollen cloths? (^ouM w
les on f-'oods from (jther
•oil' it ar the frontier, and si
e import wool i'l-oo
ino ry, to ,.ompeto with the products of the' I
I]) it across the
ti'om taxed wool v [)„ j
nited States m
'lothat? Would thov all
'on. ^^entlemen think they would all
'•ails, und send them to the TJuited Stat
low- us lo iaipoit iron Irec, manufi
iide
ow us to
K'tuiesteid
nlool rail
l>orJ»(K,d of S20 '/ 1)(
'"•which the dutv
08, in conipeiition with 11
was .some 8^S, and is now in tl
len-
to that? It woul.l 1
'oes anj hon. i;ontl(,.man think tliey woiil
coul
of
le a vei
u) neinh-
d consent
1(1 import one iron free, it
ii'on, which I hone t
y protitahle thin.; for us, p,„haMy. ]t
would destroy th
wo
Jf
profitable iui-in,vss,
Jv^ew Etigland States, i
I)e to see developetl soon, but it
e incipient production
would
ive us a
we could manufacture rail, alongside of the
rom tre.> iron, and ship them
across the line
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free, it would ])ay us well ; tlicy could not produce them then iischeaply
as we could, because tlieij- rnw material, in so far as tiiey don't ])ro-
• duee it tlicmselves, is heavily taxed. That cat e^ory coidd he enlarged
to any extent. But what could we do if they said to us : •• You must
not imj)Oi't iron free, and nuiiiufacture steel I'uiis, and send them in
here tree of duty. You must put the same duty on iron that wo
have, and put yourself on an exact footini>; with us." So with
woollen goods and cloths. Wo have larg-e cloth faetoi'ies now. I
am not familiar with these CuBtomsque.stions. but [ believe we import
wool tree, and get large qiumtities of it from the countries with
which the lion, gentleman from Midland would encourage ti-ade rela-
tions. But the United States manufacturers pay a heavy duty on
wool. J believ(^ there ha> been an agitation among the ]trodueersto
have it increased, and amongst the manufacturers to have the duty
reduced oi- taken olf altogether. You would have the wool manii-
factuied on one sideot the line by a man who pays no duty on wool,
and by a man (m the othei- side who has to i)ay duty on wool. How
long would the United States stand that ? The .same reason would
necessarily ajiply to every attempt of our.s to establish any indepen-
dent manufacture, except upon exactly the same tai-itf as that ol the
United Slates. We would be Just as much constrained to adopt
their laritf, if we had uiircstrictctl recijn'ocity in the sensi' l.have
just descrilted, as we should lie under this scheme of Mr. liitt's tor
commercial union. It would not make the slightest dilVei'ence as to
the i-esult. The theoiy woulil be ditler^Mil at tirst, but the operation
of it must bo the same. The United States would never allow^ (nor
would we, under similar circumstances) a neighboi-ing nation to
manufactui-e goods from tree raw material, and bring it in competion
with their manufactured goods, made from taxed raw material. It
bears absurdity on its face. But how could we resist, supposing we
had, l»y heavy duties, practicallj' shut our ports against England and
eveiy other j)art of the world except the Uniteii States? We should
have destroyed our revenue anil manufactures ; one year's experience
would be suflicient to ruin us. Then they could nay to us : Put
duties like ours on all these I'aw materials, or we will shut our
Customs frontier on you. Where would we go ? Where could we
go, sup])(jsing we had such an arrangement as the hon. membei- from
British Columbia desires ? Would we go to England, and ask her to
make war on the United States, because they would not maintain thp
,1 !
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tlitt'ei'ontial duty we had cstablisliod tio'iiinst ll
lO ninllifr Cduiii -y ?
Well. I do iK.t undcM-stiiiid liado: 1 do not pioteiid to iiiidei'staiid it ;
Imt iliis misonin^: suenis to l)0 so j^implc, so plain, m) (:\<>txv, tliat liow
it can l»e di.-puted J caiuiot
the view I hold, l>y any rca'^'inii
out satisfaotorilv, and show what 1
ijee. i have not iicaid an3'liody dispute
oi-
'V 'in
y la.i.
01' aruiie tliern
iilliM'N there is in (he po-ition I
maintain, and how unudi nioie eoiTcet the oppoMto would ]»•. It is
quite possiide I may bo wrong, Ijut 1 cannot for mysolt ^ee in what
rcsjieet I am wr(jng. I ean see that by ado])tiiii;- unr(>sti'ieted
procity the result would Ite thi.-: W
il'Cl-
e would luiiakdown our manu-
facturers, we would in-eak down our revenue, place oui laiitV undei
theconti'ol of the Ignited Stat
have to do exaetlv what thev told
and from that moment we w
■oul(
-neilln'i" iiHU'e nor less. \V
Iv-now the consequences. We would deserve such a fate. Wo
! Would
deserve to be ci'ushed out of exisicuce, and nuidi
satellite oi the ^-reat country to the south of us. That is wliat wo
a coi
iiemptiblo
would merit, what tn-ery ihinkin^- luai
I would believe wo richly
merited, if wc consented i > make the change which is insidiously
pressed upon u> by hon. genlli'iiien opposite. T am really a-hame"d
ter, and said so much whitdi
Ki\e said before, so
of having spokey so long about this mat
is purely a repetition of what hon. /^entl.'inen 1
much better than 1 have.
Hon. Mr. MACDONALT) (Victoria)— It
i> an unrestricted
liscussion.
Hon. Mr. ABBOTT—When I commenced. 1 stated what I
intended to try to establish, and I venture to tl^nk that I have at
all events shown strong aigumonfs in favor of the correctness of
my posiii.)n. 1 think that the aspersions uj.on our policy are proved
to be unfounded. 1 think its success has been dcmonstraicd. 1
think r Jiave established that the statements about our Ibreign trade
upon which aj'guraents against our prosperity are urged so,^ti'onglv!
have no foundation in fact, or in reason; that this countrv Vi.s
largely prcspered undor the National Policy, an.i is lunv in a pasitio i
to prosper in a Btill greater ratio of progress in th(> time to come
Heaven knows we have had difficulties enough to <-ont.-ud with since
this policy was inaugurated. Unfortunately, to ietar<l our hopes of
the settlement of the North-West, we have had two vears <,f bad
J
ill
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Wests tln.o„.h unns„al an-l pvennUurc tVos.s, ,ha. 1.1 people
« r w V' '" ;'"''"^ ^''^' ^<>'-tl.-Wos, tl.e productive IhLt
ontcn.l w.dK.nnsl.-.Ml an,l unr-easin^'c-alunuues upo,itho people m.on
ana piospeefs, Iron, -ei.rlemen on t!,e other sid.-,
Hov. Mu. |'OU'l.;]J_.re,haps the ho,., .enth.u.an will allow n.-
to iiifeiTiij)! him fhci't' ?
1)0 di.ssutisjied Will) thatstfit.'.ineiil.
Hox Mu. 1>()WKR-This stu.e,ne„t has heen made ve.y .>nen.
one, "' " ''f '"' •^'' ""''"' ^''^ ''""• «'«»tleman i. able to produce
de de :?" "^''^' ' '""""'"^ """''^"' •''■ ^^'^' ^---' P-'y ''-
<ie( I led tiio countiy. "^
.on, "'? ^^" ^^^^^^^•''''^-% '">"• ''i-'l l.ns asked me t<. p,.oduee
;jO n.,aneeotanK.mhe.ofU>e r^..;>nn party dec,.vin,theiunt,.,^
Iho «ask ,s un easy one, I ask n,y hon. IViend if it has not heen stal.;i
h. usan ,„nes that th. count,,- i. being en.hed by taxation
< P1K..I ,o the House, ,s it „o, a fact that this eounfy issaid bv hon
.e ^mon opposite t,> be c.shed under the burden of taxatiJ^. Ms
1 n , r~ '' '' ''' "■ •^'' '^'^ "'"'l^^''^'-' ^^^^'' ->'^-'- countries.
ove '- I'-"-- and out of this ilouse, a hundred tinges
ovu, that the b,„,len .,t taxation in thi« eountrv is less than it is in
the country to the south of us. ^
Ho.v Mh. head (Quint^)--And it has been .tate<l tira the
people are leavin,. the country on aeeount of taxation
hon ";";,i i".^'^'?'^^-^" ' ''■^'' '^ --f theealunuues. Mv
t ,; , '' '"■'■''■' '" '''y^'^^ ^hat these are faults which he f.nds
will describe to hiui another ealumnr U-^.^fi ., ^"""'^'>- ^
statements tn fU «• / ''I'l"""} • ilave theie not been numerous
^ eon^r? '^'V" ^"'"'" ■■'"'''' ^'' '' Manitoba and Uve
tbcre, ,n eonsoquetfce of the grinding monopoly of the Oanadia.i
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Pacific Railwiiy, and otl],e injustice and purtiuliiy ot'tlio land laww,
which were allen:ed lo be so much worse than the land hnvs of tlie'
adjoinin..' Slates; and because they would be crushed under i-iiilway^
rates for the cari-iairo of their produce, wind, were so much greater
that the railway I'ales of the adjoining States? lias that not been
said hundreds and thousands ot times'/
KoN. 3[R, PO^Y^m— Not thai no ..ne c.mld live there.
iloN. Mu. ABBOTT-l think (he statement went Metty nearly
as taj- as tluit. Probably the stal.Muent was \ arirnl i,v saving that a
man coul.l not make a living there; that imniiui ant's sliould not «•(,
there, because when Ihey got there they would be in a counli'v that
was crushed by excessive taxation, and would 1... under a grin.ling
ninnopoly in res],ect of trafflc that would cnisi, them under excessive
railway I'ates. These were all calumnies, unfounded calumnic> Tlie
Canadian I'acitic Railway might be a monopoly if its c(mtract had
been carru'd out ; but it is not. The monopoly has l)een got .id of
by an arrangiunen; with the Government, i-lven befoi'e 'that took
place, railway rates were not greater ; on the contrary, (hey were
lower, than in the adjoining country, as has been repeatedly demon-
strated. Moreover, those j-ales were under the control of the Govern-
ment of the Dominion, and could be diminished, and have been
dimmished, as ti^affic inc.-eased ; whci-eas, the railway rates on the
other side of the line, to which our admiration is constantly beino-
directe<l by hon. gent lemen oi)posite, were under the cont lol of nobody
but the railway magnates themselves. Aly hon. friend challenged mo
for an instance of calumny injurious to the coiuitry. 1 have -Mven
him two instances, than which, if believed, none could havel.cen
invented, so destructive to the immigration eveij l.n-er ..f his countrv
hopes tor. I ..'ould give him fifty more, but I do not wish to burden the
House with them. I admit that these calumnies wen. uttered as
tault-tin<ling with (he Government, but ihev strike at the (xovern-
ment over ihe head of the country I They are willing to stop immi-
gration in order to turn out the (Jovernment ! They are tryin<r to
prevent, not with that motive, pcu-haps, but what they do is eak-u-
lated to prevent, the prosperity of the country; to prevent its settle-
ment; to prevent immigration to it; to cause discontent among
those m K^ail in order to tui-n out the Government. That is the
motive of those calumnies; but i( is an insufficient and ignoble motive
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for (•aliirniiiutiii- their conntiy. I havo twice or thrice this evening
Htiitel timt 1 .li.l not l.t'liuvQ hon. gentlemen oi-positc want annexa-
tion i l.iii I believe as lirmly as that I stand on tliis floor that (heir
policy, if persisted in. would lead to annexatioji in a short tin)(!. I
.io not believe they desire annexation, as a rule. Very few of them
desii-e it. I think there are as Kyal men amon,i,rst them as aniono-st
any oihe,' body of people. I do not like Io (.tiend my hon. f.iend,
but I cannot retrain from sayii.i;- thai whatever the niotive may be,'
this con^tant depreciation of the country, its people and its policy,'
is deeply injurious to tiie country; and that the injury is in no
de,uTee reduced, or its want of ])alriotism excu.se<l or palliated, by the
fan that in slabbing the country, they only desire to wound the
party who for the moment hol<l the reins ol'd'overnment.
The fact is, that this poli(y of univoi'sal reciprocity which has
now been adopted by the party, i,. nothing more oi' less than an
attempt <<> set one class against another in this country; and the
object of it, is power. The lion, gent Icnien who seek to oust the
present Government, know very well, that the ^'ssentiaily prospe, jus
people in this countiy are all on the. side of this (Government— prac-
tically all on the .side of this Moverinnent. The more intelligent, the
more industrious, airl the more thrifty, of the employed, ai'e on' the
side of the p(.liey of this Government, because they all remember
1878. Talk to the workingmen in Montreal about abandoning the
National Policy, and see what they say, They say: "No" we
do not want to go back to the soup kitchen ; we' would rather 'have
a house of our own, and foo.l to cook. an<l to v-At in it." But there
is always a class of discontented meii w])o desire a change. All
discontented men <lo desire change. They - 'hop,, against hope, ' as
the hon. gentleman from Halifax .said. Tiiey have been hoping for
ten years. But the hope my lion, friend expressed, is not identical
with, though nearly akin to, the hope I atti'ibute to them, for
the result of their successful hoj)e-. woidd be the same, namely, to
turn out the present (Jovernment. If they can succeed in persuading
the working classes, the artisans, the farmers and the tishermen,
that they can make more money by tlirowing themselves into the
arms of the United States, and that they will sustain no injury by
doing so ; that the manufir furers and employers of labor are a class
who are making themselves ricdi at the expense of the p(>f>ple, and
bhould be destroyed ; they may by that means obtain a large number
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anoloctzon To all the.se peoplo tlu/ nul.u^.Hen, is h • o .^
•i.o.y u-ouM ,,e, n.oro for their u-ork, that th.. nu^uu- v I'l
n.orc ,n..,u.y to. th.i,- p.o.luc-o, if they syouUl ,o ove o , ^ nin
^^atos o,. ,,,e this an.un^e,nent with the rui,..! St.t.s .' " '
are getting ..ow. A.ul that the n.onopoly of nrosncTilv •
'•'"•'l-ted l>y the u^itators ,o their omp >ye,r^ hj',, "' "
-dusively with the..,„p,oy.., Uu.Ul L 'Z^^u Z^;!;^:
-;'^''=^ they ,lK.n will live better tlKU. ,lu.v do . J 7^^^^^
-heve that the hun. .e.ulen.an trorn Halifax: if ho w^ v i n '
<.>-morn,u-, would <.o„sc-„t to abandon the Natio ■ 7;> i' u
.0 .or Uo ,ni,h, ,,. .,,., ,,, ,,„, gentleman ":; y.^' ,;! ^
:;:^:;^;;; ^T ;:::;;,::;- ?^;f:: -;;:-
-^eotbnt.n.,,h..oine,ined\i:;^^
'^•t the people show bv .heir vo,^^ o i f ^ -n'.u.eessarily la,^e.
,1 • I .1 - ^^^it's, or in some othei' wa\- tfrK fh,.,-
'Innk theno so, and i, is consistent with the noliov , t ili. "
' <.'iinL upon Tiie counter iturik' r* ;
of individual onii.ion • it t V " ^ '"^ '^" expression
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t
of tho ^lol.e eve- p.,.Kse,sHO<l. I Ix^liovo vvo have at this moiuei.t the
laigt'si unofi-upied ami of c-iiltivahk. h.tid in aiiv c.m.hM'v in the
world.
Hon. Mr. t'OWf<:R_F.:.xc.ept the Artjontine Reptd.li,.,
Hon. Mr. ABBOTT-J bdiev. that our popuhition is as intel-
ligent, as woil educilted, as onei-gotic ami as well provided will,
iill the ossontialrequisites for prosperity, as any nation in the woj-ld
und I believe we have nothing to do in this emmtry to reaeh
the summit of the highest aspirations we could possibly entertain
but to stand by our country, to avoid depreciating it, to encourac^e
every element of prosperity that no can direct to it; and to
abandon these agitations first for one change, then for another; and
especially this last one for passing over to another country our
incalculable advantages-for handing over our heritage, as it is pro-
posed to do. for a mess of pottage. Let us stand l)v our counti-y
and our country will Justify our faith. We can attain in this country'
and I hope to see it yet, though 1 am an old man, a still gi-oatcr ratio
of prosperity than we have yet reached ; and [ hope and believe
that it will long continue to progress, in ever-increasing measure
m the march to pre-eminent national prosperity, and national diirnity
■I
lit the
ill tlif
intol-
wifli
Mr Id ;
reach
rtain.
nd l<t
; and
' our
1 iJi'o-
nlry,
ntry.
ratio
lieve
sure,
nity.