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Mr. MoDouoall.— I intimated to the Committco, at its last moctinir. after it was announced that no further iwidenco would be given, that I was inclined to think 1 could add little, If anything, to the explanations already made under oath and had advised my client t.at he could safely let his earn* rest upon that evidence alone ; but as he was of opinion that there was some mif..w)piehenHion out of doors if not in this comin ttee-room, as to the position and ihe rights and liabilities of Members of Parliament and the uidicial functions and powers of the House of Commons and that It might be weh to examine these Questions before the Committee, I deemed it my duty to suggest another si ttin^f for tliat purpose. I promised at the same time that I would not weary the Committee. I believe I limited myself to one hour 10 enaole me to do justice to the accused momber, and keep faith with the Committee, i have co lected and digested a few authorities, Englisli and Canadian Tf this Sao "°''*"'^'*°^ *''^'"' "'^ "'"P'^' «»ffl«i«ni to justify an immediate dismissal The first question which presents itself to the Committee seems to be this : What of SllnZ^V TU n'"r^''/,f'r ^'""°''.' *"^ ^'*^'*'''- *'«'"'nitted against the Ihw «L KiS J lu ^Y ^'''r ''^ ««^l''«"^« does not t^l us ; dooi not nTme or specify any breach of that law. It savs •« that the attention of the House has been culled to certain documents, le ters and statemonts published du.ing the present Session in the Votes and Proceed ngs of this House," * ♦ ♦ .. r^,„fi ^^ ^^e connec or, of John J,'h«.; es liykert • &e., " with a grant of certain timber limits in the .North- West lerritories. It is not alleged or proved that John Charles Rykert published l..?!2.'"'i*.7 T «""^"'n«"g "r roflocing upon the House of Commons: If the Kf- , ZV •* "*"'"^'' :' P*' Hnniont, concerning his own business affairs, written out. of Session, and making no reference whatever to the House of Commons past present or future are not ;>«M/«Aerf by him, upon what principle, according to what precedent, does the House of Commons take cognir.ance of such letters and S?/- & ?»*''"••»*'"" "f <]'«'"? Kvary lawyer knows that it is not the man 'who wri/M but the man who publishrs, a hM who exposes himself to an action. " In a frr. j!. ' iT^' ^''"■'*i*' ">**'•"■" «"y.«vi'l«noe CHM be given of its coaUmt*, prima facie evidence must be given of a Dubllcalicm hu the d,'f.<nda«* " Tlie private t)U9lness letters of Mr. Itykert, pubJishtHl by Ortler of the House, were never published by him, nor with his assent nor connivance, until the Olobt newspnpor made them public without his authority, in it« Issue of the Hth of KeU- .r^v 2 ruary laet. Sir Richard Cartwright thereupon made his motion to hand them down to posterity in the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons. I submit that Sir Richard and the Olobe^ and not Mr. Rykert, are responsible for all the evil con- sequences of publication. They were privat* ; they were pei-sonal ; the subject-matter was not within the cognizance of any criminal court, and from beginning to end there is not even a reference to the House of Commons, its functions or its jurisdio- tions, or its poswible or probable action, in the matter. I submit, therefore, that you have no constitutional or legal authority to onqui/e into, or pronounce judgment, upon Mr. Rykert in this case. It is apparently assumed that the Canadian House of Commons has been endowed with authority to enquire into the private busines atfaiig of one of its members, and if it thinks proper, to expel him ft-om his seat, and thereby deprive his constitiienta of his voice and i^oto in this House. 1 respectfully dissent from that proposition, for the f '.lowing among other reasons: — 1. The Parliament of Canada is a new creation. It is not old enough to claim ancient, customary, or consuetudinary powers or privileges. It has the powers which are expressly given to to it by Statute, and those also which are necessary for the preservation of order and the pioper conduct of business. In what section or clause of the British North America Act is the House of Commons endowed with power to expel, by the vote of the majority, one of its members? I have not hoen able to find it. You may say the power of expulsion, for adequate cause, is a necessary incident of every independent legislative body. I am disposed to assent to that proposition. But can it be pretended that private letters written out of session, by a lawyer, who happens to be a member of Parliament, to a client on private professional business, are adoqiate cause ? I vontui>e to assert that thev are not. I venture to assert that no precedent can bo found in the ])arliamontary history of England since the Revolu- tion to warrant expulsion for professional and private correspondence such as thi«. The boat authority on this subject is Sir Krskine May, and I will take the liberty of quoting two or three passages from his admirable book on Parliamentary Practice in Kn^and (pp. 60, (51 of the Edition of 1873) : "No power exercised by the Com- mons 18 nioio undoubted than that of expelling a member from the House as a ptinishment for (jrave offences : yet expulsion, though it vacates the seat of a member, and a new writ is immediately issued, does not create any disability to serve again in Parliament." After referring to the oases of Wilkes and Walpole, Sir Erskino May concludes with these words : " But all of these cases can only be regarded as examples of an excess of their jurisdiction by the Commons; for one House of Parlia- ment cannot create a disability unknown to the law." If, therofoio, I were to admit, which I do not, that the Canadian Parliament and the Canadian House of Commons now have, and may exercise all the powers oUimed and exercised by the English Parliament and Commons in 1867, 1 would demand IVom this committee a declaration that no evidence had been produced of any "offence" cognizable by Parliament, or either House thereof, which had affected or could affect tho seat of the honorable member. But, Mr. Chairman, it will be ray duty to point out in this case some Important distinctions between the English House of Commons, and our Oanadinn House in the matter of " privilege, immunities and powoi-s." Theirs are to be found in the deci- sions and precodojits of former rarliamenta ; ouis are conferred by an Act of th« Imperial Parliament, passed in 1867, as amended by the same authority in 1875. This amendment was made to remove uorbts as to the power of the Canadian Par- liametit, even to pass a Statute, to define its " privileges, powers or immunities," The following is tiie law as it st-inds to-day, and no English precedents from the time of the Stuarts, or even »ho Georges, will over-ride the letter of this law. The new sec- tion in the Act of 1875 reads as follows;— " The PrtviloirOB. immunilioa unil nnwnra tn \w hnld nninvoii nml <>vapn!aa<l K< nnlQved find BX&V...-.-.^..i -.-.- the Senate and by the House of ('ommons, and by the members thereof respectively, shall \w such ns are from time to time defined by Act of Parliament of Canada, but so that any Act of the Parliament of Canada, defining such privileges, immunltlw 'f 'f and powere shall not confer any privileges, immunities or powers exceeding those at the passing of such Act held, enjoyed and exercised by the Commons House of Pac- liament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and by the members thereof. Now, I submit that this Imperial enactment is, in form and effect, prospective m Its operation. It declares that the powers, &c., of the House of Commons nhall be such as are from time to time defined by Act of the Parliament of Canada— not such as may have been assumed to exist in the past, or such as may have been " defined " by any former Act. It contemplates the passing of an Act for the purpose of defining, for it limits these powers and privileges to such as may be held, &c. by the 'Commons Houne of Parliament" of England. I am not aware that the Cana- dian Farimment has passed any Act since 1876, '• defining " the powei-s of the House of Commons, and conferring upon that body the power of expelling a member for acts or transactions in his profession or business, permissablo in the eye ot the law and entirely outside of the parliamentary arena. ' As a matter of fact no Act has since been passed by this Parliament defiiiinir the powers and privileges of the House of Commons. I am told by one authority that the Revised Statutes of 1886 meet the objection. [ submit that there is no "defini- tion in the Revised Statutes of ' privileges, immunities and powers to be held " &c which are not to exceed those held and enjoyed by the English House of Commons' There is simply a revision or digest of the Act of 1868 (31 Vic, c. 23 s 1) The section reads as follows: — » • /• " The Senate and the House of , Commons, respectively, and the membei-s thereof respectively, shall hold, enjoy ana exercise such and the like privileges, immunities and powers as, at the time of the passing of ' The British North America Act 18(17 ' were hold, enjoyed and exorcised hy the Commons House of Parliament of the United Kingdom, and by the members thereof, so far as the same are consistent with and not repugnant to the said Act (the B. N. A. Act of 1867), and also such privileges, immu- nities and powers as are from time to time defined by Act of the Partiameiri of Canada not exceeding those at the time of the passing of such Act held, enjoyed and exercised by the Commons House ol Parliament of the United Kingdom and by the members thereof, respectively." (R. S. C. cap. 11, s. 3.) It is to be observed that this revision, if we are to treat it as a " defining " Act was passed subsequently to the amendment by the Imperial Parliament of 1875* and therefore, under the authority and subject to the provisions of that Imperial Act' 1 submit that section 3 of the revision of 1886 is not, and does not assume to bo ?ofr" mu" ?' P'>)J'J1''». P'iviloges, Ac, under the authority of the Imperial Act of 187S. The Act of Parliament "defining " the powers and privileges of the Canadian House of Commons is yet to bo passed. IT ^"^^L"™ content to argue this case upon the hypothesis that the Cimadian House ot Commons has the same power in respect to the expulsion of its membe;s as those now claimed and exercised ay the English House of Commons. I submit, then, upon the authority of the latest case, that of James Sadlier, that a grave ortence," to use the definition of Sir Erskine May, must be charirod and proved against a member before his seat can be attacked. In the case of James Satiiier, then member for Tipporary, which is the lateH precedent supplied to us by the English House of Commons, Mr. EifKgerald then Attornoy-Genoral loi- Ireland, laid down the rule of procedure in such cases as tollows: J iF'V"? ^*" hi^fiv.t) the House pionor evidence of the following facts— that on the 4th July informations were nworn l.efore a magistrate against Jamos>Sadlier and that the ottence sworn against him was not felony or a misdemeanor, but that of conspiring, with his deceased brother, John Sadlier, to cheat and defraud iho public by means of false representations, &o. They had also this ovideme, that on the 4th July, in ccmsequonce of thUswoin infoimuiiiin. a wurrun.t ws- i-sufst! air'ssssat Jjinss'-i Badiier,' Ac. " that bills of indictment were presented against him to the Grand Jury, and on the ovldonoe of three wllnesses a true bill was found against him, and '^^tZtnTj:n-l^^^^^ the Jucl,o of A«.ize Vol. CXLIII ) npp.chcMiHion, &(.." (Sec English Hansard of 1856 Attorney Gonorul among >, ^ t hlnln afZT U Z% ''*"'"'^. !^ ''"^'""^ ^he any thing before them " '' thit fhrMrn, .A . '"**/he House could not "act upon affected by election p^titonn dV, md 1 Klf to"/'!;^^ ^««J'«^'^ ^««««t« once exercised and n mMne ca^.s Li lit . i ^T^ i''*^^"'' "^ "'^ P">«^«r ^hich it HmitH, and had dccid d ZfinT . ! .^^ Lad conhnod that power within narrow like legal oSrtr,. T ZeVZ"^^^^^^^^ '"^ ^ «"'^«'* by something the constitution, the Ifou e S not to fvl l/^ ''^'-'T '''"''' '''•"' ''"^'"fe' ''^'^^-^ ^o liminary enquiry-without e tWc >.?,.* V'^ a judgment without a proper pro- tantamount to it " ^ aconfession of guilt or an amountol legil evidence some pies of th can only exclude or ex, cl t lo n fbi Hom, .1^.? r^^ T ^-n 'i'^"^*^'"' this House land or tor Hon.o ^V^n,i':^^:\J;:^:;^^^^ «^^"'>'-hed by the law of the fled from iuHtice. ^ ^'" ^" "PP'^hend him, ho was expelled as having fled from justice. Now, there is not has Adam of HC- <SSiS'.;;"';;r;;r^':n;:?'':;*''"' ^'^ "^■^•!'^^'^ "--^er i„ the present case ms. l^.rlia,M?>nt I ^ lin' ,; Hf;;;:7i,i^^^^ 1".'^'"^^' '^'"^"-^ '« '"••'' client, L'^sion. and, as wHlu, I v„ T "^^ '•""l"'*'^'^ t-mvespondenco, out end, to the act on o I>u- lianu t r f \ ^^ v^ ref,.rence, from beginni, g to of his seat in he Co mn s i '-1 1 1 ' ''""*•"' '"' '"«»«""*'« '^i' the writcrV , constitutional Zi^Trir ''^^1^^''^ J^ P"^«»- '""» " function wiic eason h the constitutional Acts have not assi^; i^ t '^ n ''''''1'' '"" ".^".'"'tion which the administrationof justicea'cl^rirnl. 1 J\'T'y T' ''•'''' "^'^'<" ""^ <h« a .ucrely local or ,ri e . Lt. 1 ' 1'''^ I'-'^'nd.aMd ge,.erally»l| mattcrsof anicrelylocalor'nrivaenatnr i • ''"'"''"'r^ The attcnp to ^talVi ; ' ' "hh^ "'^''^ ""*''« "^' ^'^'^ P"rlian,e„t. whom we enir, St wi h lU ^ jl' 7::'" '*'" ''?.""^^' ojrrespondence of those where our general la vV a, n ,, 1^ ' cpiosenting us i„ the national council, «»re^ave^bol<l, ™;:;,;;;;:::;;:'!;|,:-,|^^ taxes levied and expended. iJ aiiogl:'';;!:.^!"!!:;;; ^:r ';^.;n:r rs;;:; ^;r K-.r " "-'^^"^'^ --r "• '^"^ ParlinmcPt. Moreover all the I -i ... ! , • V 7 "' "' ''^'^''•'"•' » member of this I'cfore th.s PaHian.;n; . I '" Vl "'^velv re /h ^^^^^^ ""' •""''^' '"'^•"^' Hcattered broadcast over his CM.sf tuen. . m.,Vi i •' ' '^ ^"' ,*'l'l'oi>cnts, and and character, the ei.MM,,," re m , M^^^^ '\'^'' '"" '<".'7UMge of their oxislencn o.. any fornu.; ..ccas io Ar ' I ave « Wi ll!''"'''' ^'•'' » '"''^r' "'".inrity than mentary annals furnish us wiil.Vv.- i *V' ''"•"''' "* ^'"""1"? Our parlia- andMciven^ie^uv tl^:\;:;;:,^^^^^^^^ The expulsions otclriHtie his persecutors under lm'ou d ' , .. I " ' i> <'Kcn/.ie. lie lived to see most of tion especially 1 1 u tor Hv ..•'"*' ""''"* T''''''^ ""^ '•*" l''"'liament. Persccu- would nVver Imv. u.i ';,!,: ^ I! '^ '•"»'"''"">^ "!!'' '"""^•"-^ "'"t •." those and other ,MVce en s 1 ( . I m i. V'''*"'r' "'' ''.'.•"''^•"' ""'^'''"- '''''>'» even censure, in the ,rm,nt cZ J ' '"""'■'" '".P'T'"'''. t''«lt expul .....u.. '."J .l"^«'*c'>\<»'<c, will KChd your victim back to tho-e V, iiuv ui lu-y HHn.no.i, ImiI mucii greater, dsion, or hu'lU with » 16th AprU, 1890. lengthy HpJijhi"*^ '"""'" """' P'^J^"""' ^^ «''' ^'»''""» Harcourt in „n able and faIselytlreVod^^hil?Swr?tl l^'^' ^««^- "f« '«**-- comments Hi«r«nn in Ik ^ntten by Mr. Parnell, a member of thin IIouho, and the (learned n breach of piivilom boc«n»Blh/H..,.. L.T. T ' ' .""K."" "'" *" •» go by without „,.ki?g 1. ,r;,,bP of !; m^;;r ''°'' ""°"""' ■"" "^ ""■•"' y»»™ '° the puniHhmont .,f the brtZlu "TnrS^^ opportunity for (Op,«,mtionohwrMl T,™ L?. •"""'"■"'' 'J' '"'".»" " l«l»"b"o.l ..ml forgery. L\ \ belie,, f,;rfi,iJlz,;:,;!;; :;;;,',= r?; r;ti,'l:.rri.!!;i:lr„ sr- iiiem honor roach of jtrivik-ire Hhoiild li O !)!' 'Jlltltlf iliul " ana ctignity of the lloubo, had thought that this i pro- if ihv jliiriorartiu in hJN jtoal for the anguage won a breach of « Ealebfenteke^'''^^'^^"'' *^^^' '^*'' *''*' ^^^^^ *^*^ "P°° ''^'*'** '*°"*'® ^''°"''' T^e Attorn^-General moved an amendment in the following terras:— iQ«u *A •," ^}^^^?^^^ declines to treat the publication in the Time* newspaper of the .. "^E "A' ^^^^' **^* (fo'ged) letter purporting to have been written by Mr. Par- nell, and the comments thereon, as a breach of privilege," After a vote on the main motion, which was defeated by a majority of forty the amendment was adopted without a division, the woi-d "forged " being inserted at the demand of the Opposition. ♦u /SVu "J''®,.'l*®,*r* English precedent I am able to produce. I will merely add that It the iiUglish House of Commons, after full discussion, has declared that the procedure for breach of privilege must, in the words of the Attomey-General of England, be prompt and immediate," and if a delay of three years has just been solemnly held to be a fatal delay, I submit tliat the Imperial Act of 1876, amend- ing section 18 of the British North America Act, inhibits you ft-om exceeding that limit. Mr. Rykert s alleged offence whether you call it a breach of privilegeTor of the unwritten law of Parliament, occurred more than three years ago; was made public through the newspapers; discussed and used against him at the noUs. but has been entirely Ignored by the House of Commons, of which he was and is a member for a ppriod of more than three years. The unanimous resolve of the House ofCommons in the Parnell case on 12th February last, shows us that this attack upon the member for Lincoln and Niagara has been too long postponed • «