<^, ^f^^. IMAGE EVALUATION TEST TARGET (MT-S) 1.0 ^'- I 1.25 2.5 2.0 1.1 l^l 1.8 1.4 Photographic Sciences Corporation 4? S \ \^ <^ rv ^ '^ 33 WiST MAIN STREET WEBSTER, N.Y. 14580 (716) 872-4503 ft ,. f™ . V" * hJf,**.'? y .■a^mi V*, ' Syrocui*. N. V. ii-l ■«. ,:i ■•i\. «#'^ Ob &m jos^ A. ii£d^,i.f,'.1")i^ 'f5- t>V /I Br '^• c.v '^' - .1 > Si».^.T 5kW%^ 4 ft- HON. DK. TUPPEU'S i'^x M\'', II SPEECHES ON THE ADDRESS. February, 1878. HANSARD REPORT. HOUSE OP COMMONS. Tuesday, 12th Feb., 1818. Mr. TOPPER: Mr. Speaker, we have witnessed some strange scenes in this House, but I think, amongst the strangest of them all is the speech just delivered by the hon. gentleman who has just resumed his seat. We have occasionally had a good deal of liberty taken with the intelligence of the House and the intelligence of the country, and wo have seen gentlemen exhibiting an amount of daring that, perhap8,might be called presumptuous ; but I must confess that, during the period I have had the honour of a seat m this House, I have never listened to a speech addressed to this Parliament so characterized by all these features as the one to which I have just listened. The hon. gentleman who has just taken his seat — or rather, I should say, has just left his seat — has ventured to say that the party to which he belongs, the Government of which he is a mem- l?er, have been characterized, eminent- ly characterized, by an adhesion to principles. A venerable member of this House, on a former occasion, characterized the hon. gentleman pp- Fosite as an " organized hypocrisy," aind would ask whether the experience of the past four years has not carried the conviction home to the mind of every honourable and intelligent member of This House, that no two words in the English language would better charac- terize the gentleman than the language presented by Sir Francis Hincks in those two words. I say that, if an insult could be offex'ed to the intelligence of this Parliament, it is for any gentleman to venture, in the light of the last four years' experience, upon the presump- tuous, the unfounded, the daring state- ment, that those gentlemen have" paid any attention to principle at all. I stand in the presence of an intelligent Parliament, and I ask where is the man who will at this hour — I will not ask them to establish the assertion that has fr&i !■ been made; I will not ask them to attempt to justify that declaration, that they have boon always characterized by an adhesion to principle — but I challenge them to stand up and show me one single principle professed by them, propounded as their platform, urged upon the people of this country as the ground upon which thoj' asked confidence and support that they have not — not only not adhered to, but trampled under their feot. I'or j'cars this Parliament rung with their denun- ciations against coalitions. Night after night, sitting on this side of the House, they declared that the combina- tion of men Ivolding opposite political opinions, who had been separated by party ties, was a corrupt combination, and that any party who would make that combination, deserved the con- demnation of this country. What did they find ? They found men on the other side of the House, when the late Government was in power, men wL : had been called Liberals, and men wao had been called (^-'onservatives, agreeing upon all the public questions of theday, united upon the ground that the time had come when past political issues should be dead and buried, and that they would take their stand upon the new "•• " of things which had been brought it by the union of the Provinces, e Members of the then Opposition maintained that that was a false ground to rest upon; that it was the duty of parties to fall back on the old ])arty lines and old party designations. They rallied the Reform party to the cry that no combination could be formed between parties who had been severed in the past without its being a corrupt combination, and unwortfiy of the con- fidence of the country. But, the moment after there had been an appeal to the people ; after the people, having had an experience of five years of the policy and the views and the senti- ments of both the great parties of the country, had decided that the great Liberal-Conservative party was en- titled to their continued confidence, what did they do ? Why, Sir, when the opportunity of obtaining power by trampling that principle under foot was presented, you found them making one of the most corrupt allianv.es ever made on the floor of a Pai-liament, or in the f.»ce of a free people, in order that they might obtain Eower. And, having obtained power y alliance with men who, from year to year, had voted down every measure which they had proposed to Parlia- ment, they made that corru|)t combi- nation in the face of this country, and showed how utterly worthless was that great cardinal principle which they had offered for the accoptanco of the jieople. They seem to have gloried in their shame; for, if they could find u man who, for long years, had been hold up to public exe- cration and contempt as the most coiTupt man that could be found in the ranks of their opponents, they look him to their bosom and presented him as a fit Minister for the people of Canada. 1 ask the hon. gentleman who has just spoken, to point to any language used by any hon. gentleman on this side of the House reflecting on Mr. Cauchon. I never heard it. Ihey have been brought face to face with their own denunciations, and hon. gen- tlemen on this side of the House would be failing in their duty if they did not bring them face to face with their own declarations, and show that, in order to maintain themselves in power, they made an alliance with the very men who had been the subject of their con- stant execration, and had been held up as the vilest of the vile; but to-day no man could be found who was too vile to become a member of this Government which had obtained power largely by means of raising a cry aga'nst coali- tion. Not only luve they forfeited all claim to the confidence of the people by trampling their principles under foot, but they have gone out of their way to convince the people of this country how utterly unworthy they were of confidence when they were seeking power at their hands. Need I tell you, Sir, or need I tell this House, that another ground on which these hon. gentlemen sought the confidence of the country was the ground of economy. They denounced the late Government for their extravagance; they said a great deal more money had been expended than ought to have been. I admit that the expenditure of the late Government was a liberal expenditure, but we had the money to expend. With !>' 8 r^ \1 V the loweat tariff over in force in thid country, us tho»o ^onllomon have Hhown, we had enough money to pro- vide liberally for the public service, and also wore enabled to reduce the taxes of the people by $2,000,000 per annum, and to roll up a surplus rovo- iiuo of $10,000,000 during six years. What was the first demand these gentlemen mode ? The taxation which had gi\cn an abundance before was not enough for thoni. They ihemsolvos say that the amount of $23,316,000 was the largest expendi- ture we ever made. The estimates that they made and obtained for their first year from this Par- liament were for $26,800,000. You will find that these gentlemen, who said that the taxation upon the people of this country would not give them money enough to meet their expendi- tures, and that they must levy an additional taxation of $3,000,000 upon the people, instead of retrenching their expenditure have increased it. You will find, also, that by a correct statement of the accounts — by a cor- rect comparative statement of the accounts which I have made again and again publicly, and which has never been succeoC'fully assailed — you will find that their &xpendituros in three years were $5,000,000 more than the expenditure in the largest and most extravagant year of that Government which they had denounced for extrav- agance ; and yet the hon. gentleman, the lion, the Minister of Finance,is now levy- ing $3,500,000 of additional taxation Instead of having a surplus revenue to reduce the public debt, as the late Government did, they are rolling up deficits year after year. What is the reason that this Speech that is put into our hands has no reference to the balance ' of the public ac- counts for this year ? What is the reason that this Finance Minister, who in 1874, when no deficit existed, declared in the face of the Speech of the Governor General that there was a deficit — that the expenditure had exceeded the income, does not inform us how the account now stands ? AVhat is the reason that the hon. member for North Norfolk (Mr. Charlton) is put up to give a statement of the public accounts . 11 for the past year, which no gentleman has ever soon, and yet leaves the House in doubt as to the balance of the public accounts during the past year? I tell you w by it is ; it is because he has to ad- mit, and will bo compelled by the Public Accounts to admit, that they show a deficit this year of something like $1,500,000 to bo adiled to'tho $2,000,000 of deficit that he met Parliament with last year. Yet this gentleman, expend- ing $5,000,000 more in three years of the public money of this country, levy- ing $3,500,000 more taxes per annum on the people of the country, is rolling up deficits year after year to the extent of about $3,500,000, notwithstanding their enormous additional taxation, yei this gentleman declares to this House that they have been charac- terized by an adhesion to principle. There is a principle that they have adhered to—the greatest extravagance and most wasteful expenditure of the public money; and not only wasteful, but corrupt, and levying that out of the additional taxation wrung from the people of Canada. Well, Sir, there was another groat principle that this gentleman propounded. I ask you, Sir, who heard the declamation froift this side of the House in reference to Colonel Gi«y, what their views were with reference to the independence of this Parliament — an important sub- ject, a great principle, worthy to be propounded by statesmen who had at heart the honour and the character of the Parliament of which they were members. But, Sir, how has that declaration of principle been maintained ? They maintained that Parliament, to be respected, must be independent; that every man in this House, to be respected, must bo inde- pendent of the Crown. They main- tained that the foulest wrong that the Government of the day, or the Crown, could do was to expend a single dollar of public money upon any member of the Parliament of the country. What is the result ? While the hon. gentleman talks about adhe- sion to principle, does he not blush when he recollects Mr. CHARLTON: Not a bit. Mp. TUPPER: If he is not incapable of blushing, I say he would blash country, that from the dav f»f '"^''^^ into power ther we,„ . ^^ ^^""7 ««'"« momters of thif Honl k''""P^'"^ ^^^ use of public monor'thft T '"^^u"' hour they obtained VJlJ' ^'**"° t'le didtheyLthrporeSt'hV'''"^^^ and improper expincHtm ^0^^ '""'?.?* money, in violation «<-Vi® . *"® P»*^' c ofPaftameS tCtK"' "-P""''"""^ had ever met-tf^rf 1.*^'« ^°"«« Parliament had ever m«/^!u ?"•"««"* rendered incapabjr of -TT- ^*^ ^'^'^ except in violaSon of L ^'"^ ^'■"' numU of member8 itl ""' * ^*''^« one Minister of th«V * T''® ^''an by his own Lf re^er J"^" ^ad been fitting in this Hout JTT'^'^ «^ the gentlemen that f^t T^V^hese are to principle I JftC. ^* "''^««i«n that was wo. th7i^!r' ^ ^""'"^'P'^ statesmen, and w^V^^'*"''" iy tanoe of this p^Ja-^ 'he accop. accepted by the Sir""*-. ^' ^ fjrinjentthltit trSSfwn M ^"^ «« 't impossibJe for «„v 'iZ?rJ'^'^°'^«r accept the sliirhtestnLr .'*]?"*'' to •"oney from fnr filT°' °^ P»hlic any cLumTtaS w?th ™f '".*J ""^«^ ««at. Yet MTi^**"* voiding his walked ffiit of this H^' ""^.gent'eman Pi^ved to have bee^^r '^'".'^^d and 1^2,000 under T J^ recipient of from these hon VnH*'"'* '«««i^«d member of tJX ^«°tlemen while a negotiated by ihe hS. ^®' .* *'*^"t''«ct in connection with ^i'"?.™?^^'™^^'^ I>epartment i ^ JJe Public Works ?ut a^tnti^^^'-^^^^^^^^^ tender jTcomJjt'T ^'^'^""' P"blTc tender,' a lowei *# ^^" T'' *^«^er performanoe oJ thr^r*^" ^^'^ *^« ^et the Hon p!f! ^•'"® ««^*^'ce. dares to sSn3"un°n7h''"; ^^«»«''«^ intelligent ParlfaL'".''!? /'^''^ ^^ this CWmon8,and8ivto ' t'' ^^"'^ «f paid the 8lfghtesTatt«nr'''**'^'^^«^« to the PrinSes thlt f h'''' .^^ ''^''''^^ pounded^ I chRliin .u ®-^ ''"^e P'-o- Idid at he outset "tf **'*''" «««'°' «« single Dubliorf. •'•''."'""«*« me one yea?s thC ^X;3''' *!•«' ^«- long the floor of th,f h!"^ contended for on not Bhown that pH„Sl1f . '^'^ ^u'^^^ as a public prinSnL Lk ,^ \° "°* beld P«bii?n,en,CSetn"llt^j,^^ to™d^S?het\7i'"«'P'«P'-«P«"nded positions that ^Sov ha7'''ru'° °*>^«i'» after they had nhZ ''"^« dishonoured Sir, wh'X'lutlS^ot?- ^«"' i>oo8 the hon Tn«mk ^"^ernments ? that the hon m^™^''/''i remember (Mr. WakeWitKl u'^l'^ ^ruce ter of Puff toJkT Vth""'"'"- ma-'y occasions, in Pa^LJ'r^''' "V out of Pai-liam«nl ^*"."""ent and gross imp^pSty ^'of'?':""'!^*^ '^'^ ailiance bjtwl^en*^ ?oca1 "?""" *»•• and the Government nf?k- ^^'^^rnment 10 th« „^ ,„E :X'„° 'Sfn"'"' gentleman talta ok!.. * . the hon. covered with ♦!,«••? that ar© enormous aid l^LZ'^TV ^^ *»>« ruption of the hfn^» H®'**'*<*''«' *'or- on the Trea8urv ^n^r"**"*" fitting them, S"^s^p^;,t'' Y "^-^""^ the face of evidS ;k^'~~^ '*^' i" and the most'S *\«harev« '"^ f carerS'n:^,!" -^etcTto^t -hole sfstemCLKro?;-' ^^^ corruption. Why fL m- ■^'^^"tic Public^ Work o-^' a recet""'"'' • '^^ said: *'Sunno8in,, fK * »r * occasion «pend eaoST/moS Z^-, ^^^^^ did own." What fU^ ^' ^* "'^s his make? Dot TT^T ^"^^^ that ™oneywu8Zi',„7"- that ^ bey mean by electoral puritt? 7^' It matter whether he snenW- ''^'^ money or whether he snent ,L " ''''" subscribed bv mUtiZf^*^^ *^® '"'^""7 purpose of aidinj S'ilT^'^, ^«'' the When wo find that ?K ^" ^'«""«" ? by the decisTon of fh' "*" ^'•'*"^«d most corrupt Ln inV"? **« the wo find men w?fh 1 ^""^"ia-whon demnation our of tn '^'^T^^' ^'^n- oui ot the mouths of the *♦. 5 propounded dor to obtain dishonoured ^om. Well, vornraeniB? t remember South Bruc« the Minia. both, on tment and 'tuined the section or rovernment J^rainion ? forget that ■ principles ir, I ahall that this ised, but it the Ci-own in acting il Crovern- ciple that tter, open >ince they reference the hon. oral cor- I the face 'ur years, le courts that are of the >ral cor- sitting Hround say, in Sti-ODg to It stood the their •iganlic ter of 3ca8ion ok did as hi.s that the what Does own lonoy 1- the tion ? inded the vhon con- the vi tiioHt illuHtrious judges of the land, marked with llio brand of infamy ])ut upon them, and incapable nf exorciaiiiu; oven the franchise, jMit I'orward as the loadora Of this partj-, dare the hon. goiilleman stand up and talk about doctoral corruption in the face of ho HhameleHs a tran- H.'iction as tliat ? I refer now to Colonel Walker, who was proved in the courts to be one of the most corrupt men that bad over run an election in Canada. Yet those great political purists put him forward in a Jloform convention last week as one of the leaders of this great party of electoral purity. Why, they have done all that men could do to show that if any man was especially notorious, if his positi'^n was one of gross and unqualified corruption, that man was the person that they proposed to canonise, and hold up to the admiration of the people of this country. So with the hon. the Minister of Militia ; how does he come to hold his present position here to-day? Why, I hold in my hand a narrative which the Government can- not profess to be in ignorance of, be- cause it is a public document, brought down and laid upon the table of this House. I will show from this docu- ment, and fi-om Iho papers that relate to it, tlmt if ever there was an act of gross and unqualified corruption, it was the act that deprived the hon. gentle- man of his seat in this House ; and that act was in connection with mem- bers of this Administration. What was" the story ? Mr. Vail has given it over Ilia own signature. In his card bo says that Mr. Jones and himself, and some six other gentlemen, entered into a partnership for the publication of a newspaper, a private, personal specu- lation. I will not stop to inquire whether their object was pecuniary or whether it was political, or whether it was both combined. They succeeded, it ap])ears, in pretty otlectuaily and thoroughly combining them both. What was done ? It appears that they came to this Hou'^o, — that these gen- tlemen, one of them a member of this House at that time, came to this Govern- ment, this pure Government, this Gov- ernment that would not permit a dollar i)f money to bo spent corruptly for the world, this Government that would not allow a memborof Parliament to share in the division of the public funds,— they came to this Government for public aid and for ])ublic patromigj. At that time the Hon. William lioss was the Minister of Militia in this House; and this document brought down by the Government, ("urnishing the informa- tion it«elf, shows that while that hon. gentleman was a member of this House, the Citizen Publishing Company in the remaining portion of the years 18T,i and 1874 obtained 82,420. Well, Sir, it was not sufficient. Those gentlemen having entered upon this speculation, must have assistance; and ihey knew that this Government believed most thoroughly in the doctrine of support- ing their supporters. What followed ? Why, Mr. William Eoss was driven out of this Government by Mr. Alfred Jones, by the present Minister of Militia ; was driven out to make room for his partner, to make room for Mr. Vail, one of the partners in the concern in which Mr. Joneii was interested. I say it was done by Mr. Jones because I am speaking in the hearing of the members from Nova Scotia, supporting the Government, and they will not contradict what I say. When Mr. Alfred Jones' influence was sufficient to drive Mr. William Ross out of his office, and to bring in a gentleman who bad never had a seat in this Parliament, and who had no claim to be placed there, over the heads of a number of gentlemen here of greater ability than his own in every sense of the word, — when that act was done, it was met by a re- monstrance from several of the mem- bers from Nova Scotia against that act. Therefore, I say, it was his influence; the only right that Mr. Vail had, thus to bo 'placed over the heads* of so many gentlemen in this House, was the fact that he was the partner and the instru- ment of Mr. Alfred Jones at that time. Well, what happened? Why, this account, brought down here by the Government, which gives us testimony that is their own, will soon show what ba))pened. Instead of getting a paltry $2,420, for the lompany of which Mr. Vail and Mr. Jones M'cro partners, these accounts show that in the first 3-ear of Mr. Vail's presence in the Government, he had paid out to him- self- self— paid out to the 10 Was a nriva«« 9 waH a with Mr r-ef^r?:^.!:^ appoai-H that thatwa* no?"*' « ?»^ " "loot the noceSieTor^L"",*^'"'"^ *" a" events, of thi rJm„ ■ ''*'""■««' at ^orthe n'oj ear &?'?'" ^'"^-"y; to put hiH ha,K. 7,f, ^«'' ^«H able which ho was the "worT *'"""'"^' °^ and take out of tl,n ^11" ^"ardian, violation of the law thSt t '"'^"■^^' '" as a mom ber of th^ P«. 1 • '''"' ''"""d «ervc intact, not Joss fK"!?* *« P'«- money lako,^ ou of /k„1°^ P"^^"' the countiv in !«„ ^''® ^'caMiry of taken out by one t f "''^ «'' ^^o Jaw ; with another wholf "7 *•" ^'^ ^'vided this Housr'Thosrr/on" r" "'"'"t>e'-of Jf '"k it is quite a^«;^7*" «^°'" ^o that they did not "i!"'^*'"^ answer the specJiatfon;* H, V^ '"""«^ ^>- " public platform if}" *'"*'^ stated o , tbatinstead of m«l. ''*""«"'*>e'- ''A'ht, ^'adcosthi^^aS^y/T^'^'it pocket. Ho seem;,! to n "•.'''*' "^" that .houJd absolve hm tr""^?/' ^''"^ t'on as to the m-olrhtv ^ ?."" ^"««- action. j( ,« iT^ ,. -^ ^f the trans- Tbey go^isJSJo t' '"^Lr' '^d'-"-- -and, perha;K' the if P"^''" ""''^^ <=uHous^o ki^iw-iw&?. r"'*' '^ cost, which reouirerf ^ ^^l^ '^^'-^ico year, under Mr.^Vafit ^ .«12,000 a Jor the paper in wh th Mr 't""'"*'«"' he were partners ik .; "^""es and cost under the prevl^^f, **"** ^^--vico The Hou.e wfjle /l'"'"'''^'-«»'on- surprised to JearnSat^f hi '^"' * ''^^'^ f^r tho six years ".• '''''"■"SO cost «atne service, wans^oj^'""'' '^^ ^^o ion. the Min sTer of S •'' ^'""' • ^ho 8wertothat, " Aye bn /k " '/'^' '" «"• «>ade of th^ wai nffi ^''°'^''»"g« was t^nie in Nova Scotia If '" '^' '"««"- But I happen io hav« r?."""* "*"«««•" "pon that question \lu- ^i"'^ «^'d«nce . ,^i^^Pose ofVe Xt ttr'-''''«"^'« thei-e. I nut iu ^ ^nat is ra sed foor Of \fist„^2"rr "r«« "« t'ostmaster-Ge, or^J „. . *''? ''O"- the f hanging theSe way offl. '^' f''' ^^ the late Postmaste, M T ^ '"can P-A.MacdonaJd VCrh'''^-^^"^"- hero. ^ "'^^0 his answer •*fter Beoess «« to thecharac o77tL^;r ^P"«'^'"^ have been made by ^J" «''«'•««•' that ^'•- Vai , as the r/ti. l^: •'o"o« and "[ public money wT,.i ''^ "T""' ''e«^lly boon onnblod 1 'V ''*^« the Treasury of tJ.oJW- *"''" '''oni !"«"., and r d?ow thi r/In?" ^^''"«''"- House to the f.u^t L *"/'°" of tho an^ount pnicJ ^or 3.0a, S^ m''"*""""' *''o "»»• tho niit.l,',. •>?a' tor the s x y,,ar^ pa8sin,ir ir.fo tin £? ^^*°'J"' a'.d ^>osskilI, was r J .,.,-'"'''' of Ml-, for tho six Acars ' Ti!' "' «23,«10 have succeeded in ttT ^?""'"nen the Treasury of- cln«3S'''f"^'V^' ^-'on^ ^^^ r- £|^ v r ithadbee;T^;:S^-«i«-^"^^^^«^ fhe.e ti-ansactions tlHf ".''^^""ation of '" ^Vova Scotia had I V^** "^"^ ""'ces post ofHcos, aid tho .V " "".'^« '"^o ^C'luent/y been ino,- ^'^".'^^ '"'^' con- this alteration I hr^^ by reason of authority upon thi P^*" ^ ''"^« aM not bo dfspTeSl'hatTfh \'"'^''' ^'" Postmasfor General »h ^t ''°"- 'ate Macdonald. it 3 /''« ^on. D. A. 1087.h pa^;o of Thi^/'^""'^ in tho «nd -f gentlemen wilteh "f 'l^^' to look there thnv »ii ^'^^ trouble thisexperSnthL ;'' '".' ^'"»' after Jtf>-. Mucdon^fJ'i .n^M ["''•'^ *»'«d. the House thatH J*^'°^, *° "'**« ^a ^•caseof exp:;«o.''He'"3'''^ "" '."■ to a question : ^*e said, m reply PONt Oil cen as (ft^tjl *.?"'* Nova Scoii:. 4ift )88 ^- JIo said • W'n" spoakinif > chnr^eH tliat >•• JoncH and nntin^ Co,,,, tlie amount "'o.v liavo ' <»!<" from 'ion Govern. "t'on of tho »'horoaN, tho lio Nix yojirn "" ''■ t'lo J'().st Seoiia, afiri * of Ml-. «• «23,«io ffontlomon ^^'nii from "lo Numo ••'>- in two I2i,l'2« no,. •oc'ONH that "nation of ^»y oflices nado into » 'iwl con- •■eason of have an '•ich will hon. lato 1- I^. A. 1 in the of 1875, 3 trouble lat afte,* ly tried, state to- J no in- t> roj)Jy tlie way » Scotia ' policy ">ontii8 St." tolor- at the '1 not [ tho istiod lonc'o nits this noro than tho same services cost in Ottawa. I hope that will h.itiiify the hon. the FirHt MiniHter. On page 74 of the 1875 Hansard, this subject waH under conwidoration, and the hon. the Pont- maHter General UHod tliiH language to the Uoune: "It costH fifty per cent, more to di tho work in Halifax than in Ottawa; but, by a new arrange- ment, horouftor the printing will bo done hero by contract." Ho gave that aH a reason. ThiH showHthut, in fact, thiH hon. gentleman and his hon. colloaguos had been permitted to take out of tho treasury of this country $24,000 when thoy wore only entitled to $12,000. Mr. HUNTINGTON: I think tho hon. gentleman and the House will not wish to have the matter misre- presented. I stated that tho printing ibr Nova Scotia wus costing forty or fifty per cent. — I do not remember which now— more than before, and I stated that wo had changed it ; thai wo found the people who had done it now w^oro making more money than those who had done it bofoi*e; and I stated here that tho prices at which it was boing done were cheaper than those charged under tho Government of the right hon. gentleman. The system to which tho hon. gentleman draws attention grew up in Confedera- tion, and when in office I put a stop to it. Mb. TUPPER : He deprived those people of the printing, and gave it to some one who charged fifty per cent, more. I hope wo shall have the hon. gentleman's reason, and that it will be u satisfactory reason. Of course, tho moment it became patent that they were paying fifty per cent, more than they ought to, that they wore receiving $24,000 for the service when they wore only entitled to $12,000, he would have been unfaithful to his duty' if ho had not put a stop to it. Mr. HUNTINGTON : I must per- sist in being understood. I did not say that wo got fifty per cent, more for tho service than we wore entitled to. I might have said that in the retail way in which work was done in tho provin- ces it would co8t more than fifty per cent, more, but thut under tho contract system, which tho hon.g ntlcnian com- Elains of our having adopted, it would e done cheaper. Mb. TUPPEH : Doo4 tho hon. gen- tleman see tho force of my argument — that for a service which cost $3,935 they paid $12,000. Mr. HUNTINGTON: No, I do not. Mb. TUPPEll: Then it would be difficult fbr the hon. gentleman to see the force of any thing. There is tho tact; I give the figures ; 1 say that thoy p;vid $12,000 per annum for these services, which cost, in the average, loss than $4,000 in Nov \ Scotia previously. Mb. HUNTlNGfON ; His misrepre- sentations are patent to every intelli- gent man, but I wish to repeat myself because the hon. gentleman speaks us though this increased amount was paid for the same services. In that, he is wrong. Tho service was changed. There were some si.T hundred way- offlcos turned into post offices, and this cost a considerable extra sum. As to the cost of printing, tho prices paid by measurement wore cheaper than those previously paid, but the volume work was dearer. Mb. TUPPER: I have introduced his authority not to show Mb. HUNTINGTON: Mr. Speaker— Mb. TUPPER: I hope thi hon. gentleman will not interrupt ; if ho wishes to address the House again ho will have an opportunity, I have no doubt. Mr. HUNTINGTON : If tho hon. gentleman mi^irepresents me I shall interrupt him. Mr. TUPPER; I shall show that ho put statements into ttie mouth of his predecessor that were the very reverse of truth. Instead of saying that there would be any lulditional cost in the change from the way office keeper to postmasters, tho hon. gentleman declared that, not only in relation to tho salaries paid, but in relation to this policy of change generally, that it would not involve any additional cost. I read his words in Hansard. Ho said "This policy had boon adopted during the last six months, and ha I not involved any increased cost." But I will give the hon. gentleman (Mr. Huntington) more; I will give him evi- mm I 8t3 wore invoKed hv^t' ^""^'^ "« requu-ed upon ^t,'" ^^^V'^o^y ^hall sbow that the %/.*./ bPI^'"*' J I^egislative AssemSv^i^ befoi-e the and that the mJSo7 ^ ^^^'^ Scotia, <'Ommittce. U^t th«' ''^'''^'^ '^ « Committee, signed hi !'"^^'''"* ''^ *''*' three of whom a, «T '"^ ge"tleraen, ^'^ the present Govern ''"^ ^upportc.-s' them now a mpmK '"r^' ^"'^ "ne of ment-the hon ^^!' ?' '^'^ Govern- presents Yarmontr T*" '^^^ de- pendence J^ZX"! l""'"' '■"^- for--and friends S^f ^" ''''"«hed aarainst whi.-h fk l "'o companv 8 . mou. charges pa d bv^hfr" "»' »"»■■. And then tLyE- A„, 5 "j™™"""!- »fp."W.>.docCe°te the S-""""''™ ,"W>?i,t«rc"h"ar*riS~/»' -y^'r.he^&r4«« ''" ^'^-«pab„-,h,-„tcrp,:;?:„l;Li!:= '»fno'nfd':,fC%;k5.U8|.^^^^ ATr. TUPPPR. XT . evidence of the Jat« P "^ ^'^«» the e.al am Inot^trde.' wh^nT;'';?' ^«"- troverted~am I noV ^^ t? *"** '« «on- inffthatbythe unan;^^''^ '" '^ow. the CommitteTof the CS' T'P"''' "^ Pnn ngthefnends of MeS; «*"«•«. com- Va,l-three of thei/ frSS T' *°^ >s correct. It i. JlT^r^^? evi- - Tk; i-. """^n tne charfro ;„ , "'"""J ^hiM Committee say ^^ brought Your ConiiniMnl r , (^">zen. ' «"aWe. owin?' o''£ '^^' . fhey have been This Committee n( r, three of whom we,e sf. '" «e"tlemon, ^"/ the present Ca| rT^ ^"PPOi-.o,-.s' throe of whom wo e' C i'"''-'"^'"'- «"5 Tf '^'^ ^oa'd Spoakei-, that thfs is irL/''" '''^' ^r. matter, I wil a L! "^^elevant to this Of the subjee Bu?r^h?n^^f ^''""^h ^•lose before I havA "^ f "''«'! not •^"ce evidence clea/r^i "^'^ ^« «d- e^idence, to eCy/cnU^'' ^atisfactor^r «'do,s of this ll^ule fhT" °" ^«th most scandalous t,S *•''' ''"« of the this Government o"rvT/''''^''i«h could be arraigned is?h«f„.!u''"'"ent permitted one of II ■ ^^*' ^^at they the Government to r^: ^''"'^^^''^ i" Treasury over«24 000 of'nH'l' "^ ^^e •n violation of the ff T ?".^''^ "''>^^y vice which tho"*'"^ ^^'' a eer- General iecla,t TT ^^^^^'"a^ti country fiftv per cen^ T"" "^"'^ the o"^'ht to cos nn?'^: ^-T ^'''^^ it endeavour to hoi wl '"^ ^ ^^all fifty per cent, over wl'? .T''"' than vvork^vouldbeTn h^i^f* ^'''^ «ost of ^'^ero that worl^ 'a?^ «' ««''fax, quite willing, to leave S . T"" ^ «»« the subject. ^Butw,^ ^'^ *t ^"'anch of ^ontle^en, who s S,rt,V'"f f'^^^ the country fbr /it '" '^''olo of unwilling t^ bring a Sr^'-"^' ^ee'" the Government as a coTl?.n '""'* '"^o ^e ban been qualified r^'"^ ""'ess H'.th them by Val,J^ association cbaracteras thi I ^ '"''^' "^ «"ch a thohon.Mr. ossw.r:."-'^'"'^'^ ^^at '!« f'overnment ;7tlt'r ""' «^ '-"^-i.nod,ina' rSh^"- »*.t. f unfeoling niannor thnii any gentleman was over oxpellotl from Iho Cabinet of this country. And for what ? I have shown that a gentleman was brought into the Govern- ment who never had iho honour of n scat in this House, who had not fought their battles, and was of no greater ability than the gentleman wlio was expelled. 1 have shown that by a raid on the treasuiy of Canada, $12,000 a year was taken to divide among this gentleman and his associates, of whom his col- league was one. I have said that one of the principles propounded by the present Prime Jl mister, and on which ho takes his stand — one of those great principles which the hon. the Poslm.aster deneral says they have distinguished themselves by adhering to — was the entire separation between the general and local Governments. I hold in my hand an extract from a upeech delivered by the hon. the First Minister in April, 1871, in the House of Commons. He said :— " It has been frequently asserted that there is a close connection between this (Sir John's) Qovernincnt and the Governments of ttie Local Legislatures. It is desirable that there nbould be no connexion whatever between tiie central and iocal Governments, and I (eel it my duty to bring this principle before the House." This is one of the principles upon which the hon. gentleman takes his ■tand. The hon. member for South Bruce (Mr. Blake) also said : — " The poMition of the Reform party in re- gard to tlie Federal Government is tliat they urgiied aguiiist alliance, as well as hostility. I'lipir poHJtion is that the Local Government should be perfectly independent of the Central Government, and should neither be entangled by alliance or embarrassed by hostility. The independence of each of the Provinces is nocessnry for the working of the Federal system." 1 will show (he House how those hon. gentlemen have carried that out in practice. I will accept the chiilloiige of the hon. the Premier to point to a single caNO in which the General Gov- ernment have over used their power for the purpose of assisting in carrying elections. . The present hon. Minister of Militia was floated to the .^jurfiice on tho great anli-C'oMfoiloration wave that hwopt over Nova, Si-otia in 1S(!7. i)own to that time that l.on. gentleman bad been a hearty, zealous and enthusiastic suppoiter of the party with which I had the honour of being connected. In all the struggles with what were called the old Eeformers of Nova Sco- tia, Mr. Young, Mr. Howe and others, there w«8 no more zealous opponent of that party and those gentlemen than the present hon. Minister of Militia; and all the qualification for admission into the Hefbrm party he can claim is that on the great question of the union of these Provinces, ho abandoned the party with which he had always been associated to oppose Union and to whi' h he had given a most determined and unflinching opposition. Before I resume my seat I shall probably bo able to show that the same animus that induced the hon. gentleman to give his hostility to Confederation still exists in his bosom, and at no distant day found expression in no measured terms. I assumed a very considerable responsibility in carry- ing the question of the unioa of tho Provinces so far as Nova Siotia was concerned. Tho hon. member for South Bruce (Mr. Blake), in this House, and the hon. the Minister of tho Interior, out of the House, and the Globe, assailed mo in bitter, and I might almost fay vindictive, terms, for the mode by which I gave my assistance to that great party-combination in Canada, which was formed for the purpose of carrying the union of the Provinces, The great charge they brought against me was, that I had carried that mea- sure without a reference to the people at the polls. The hon. the Minister of the Interior — in the collection of minis- terial speeches made during last Sum- mer, and for publishing them in their present form I tender him and tho hon. gentlemen opposite my hearty thanks, boi auso tho vol- ume would bo oxcoodingly con- venient in dealing with public ques- tions. Under tho heading of " L<^- tra^-al of Nova Scotia," the hon. gen- tleman holds me op to public execration for having carried tho union of the Province of Nova Scotia with the other Provinces without a lof'orcnco to the people at tho polls. Tim hon. gentleman knows, or ought to know, that the nieasuro was :;Ji;:\:Vf'1.|r.' carried in J^ova «!o ♦• W' ago as I860 Ik'*^ ^"««^ that as i %'.'^^ ^^'o presen/ ^'l? •»«» of Powor;i,nooYed' '^^ ^ ^^'«« out of ' '^''^"•^«ed at vS L .^''^ ^"bject chanin«' w."^''" to onen ^K„ i?"" I S'^en of the deopTeat^ r"'^"*'« ^a8 "f this coum^J^^ the T'^o'e pooffi i^« S't'^OHty of a tS?^^^^ ^ had joct at which f-^' V^ ^he ffreat nl! , ^^''-^o of AssomJ *''"'^'* ^ote of «»t of jTower I '•^' '^'^""'^ «im When '*• '> ^'«"n«il authoH"^ ''"'^ '^^ ^«gi8 fhofuilS l',L.^«'"'«'tted mrJr?" I '^'^^ those ^onZ^^^'^^% ^? to .K >ctatwhir7' ^«« fhegre^t 'r «»t of jToweJ l'? '^'^""'d «i"f When "-.to the ;;, trof' a" fT"^^^^ "!'«- of the BnlishNowh/*'^^''"' ^^nion ,^'"ices. Mr w^^ American p..,, '"ent, perceivinAh?« ''''^'«" ^overn- «-^-infe' atfent^ioT, JuJ^' ^/«'>Ject do- period to thfl w *^"'^"^'tted at a Jatnp I at"^' ''"ontion of th^'T'" '"^^ to cal ^■esolution in' £""f« «f Assembly « f "J"''? ^''^ (^''X^nL?'""^'' «> passed unanirao^s/v ^^'«'"ded, and it i^- f f * Po^or of th« ' P**"' «"d ™yseif, when in £. ?^^'"ff P'o^ Jd t?"^ ^« is connected. • ^'^'f ^'^^ P^^'e'- of the (1?}T''''^"> to use £ !5«.P!"-pose of dam«. fi^''^^" ^im for "'iionaiity of t fhallenged, and I „,«. .-.—■'» was It was fought out fSl ami '^'''"'*''""- by the parties sent to Pn ,^ '^'luareJy- pose me. And I skI S"^'»"^ to o^ the attention of the r''^ ^'^o to caU ^orth York r¥r T) ''"'• '"O'nborfo! :^«i^-veS^ntfeli-ho „C ^. ^vas bronght into 1 ^"^sequently I hinationofthetwol^?"'-- ^ com- M J^i-ovinces of Old r.^^^^ Parties in the ^^R. DVAfrnvrn ',r« thorn LOW, .°J'?-,«r""»«» wouid be onJv „ '.^^ ^ hoped it »n>on of the whole p'^ • *""'a'-ds the i?P'-oscntativ.. •;.!.:P™^-'»ceH. Those ;;"7H them ;;ow^5'fT-p"tIeman '^ " maKe an ;r» ^ ^'«Po they ."^'".1- I. ^-oS- hT'^r'V.on hil , ^^'°'-« no othcM shonM '"'^' '^ there (^'•eat organ of ^2' ^'''''"'' ^''-''t '^'•'^^''««'n/.':t "';;«'• t''f ever; ■« UK, every don unci;!. ■■''""'';'Hiii! i: HIT. l>e Lioutenant- ^adjng men of /ne subject ' p/aces and at evidence was 'lostiiity that I I'eference to Dec the terms [" ^he matter "f'"-« I had hirds vote of nd the I;ogis. '. "»o to joia •iruring about -^'10 consti- ieoding M'as no question, ?.'and to op. 'iko to call momber for )> who now lis pen, and Jiess with OS him for 'y position le fiict that injunction "111 at his to J^ova '■of being > purpose '" union, 'o at the existing that I facts; I tno. and tleman thejr Pn hi» fyle which efforts 'icaljy 'i Was ever vsti f ^'cn- 'liore that, ■oia (lio ory cia- 11 'r tion he utters to the people of Ontario against me for having assisted in the great work of union, in which the Province of Ontario, from its position, benefitted in every possible way, recoils on the hon. the First Minister, I may quote the speech of the hon. member for South Bruce (Mr. Blake) who, on a public platform affirmed that the greatest boon over achieved by Canada was the union of the Brit- ish Provinces ; and of all the Provinces, Ontario had most reason to bo pi-oud and satisfied. The resolution that two- thirds of the Legislative Assembly of Nova Scotia voted down, asking that the question be referred to the people at the polls, wasonij' a ccpy of the reso- lution moved in the Legislature of Canada, and voted down by the hon. the First Minister, as one not required and not constitutional. I, therefore, wish to remind the hon. gentleman that every intelligent man in Ontario will feel that the hon. member is using a boomerang which comes back and strikes himself and his friends. It was upon the question of the Union of the Provinces that the hon. the Minister of Militia deserted myself and the party with which I was con- nected, and that is his sole title to the claim to bo a Eoformor. Nevertheless, the very man who did his little best to prevent that great measure being car- ried is received with open arras by a First Minister, who justly considers it one of his proudest boasts to have had a humblo share as a member of the Parlia- ment of Canada in bringing about the accomplishment of that great result. I need not say that, under the hostility that was excited, under the base betrayal of myself by the parties to whom I had most right to look for support in Ontario and elsewhere, in the press and otherwise, a great anti-union wave swept over Nova Scotia, and the hon. the Minister of Militia floated to the surface. We went back, after five years, after experience hiul exposed the fallacies by which that groat question had boon met. What was the result ? It was that the hon. memlxr for Hali- fax was defeated, and that I had the proud triumph of coming back to this Parliament, and being able to say on the floor of this House that not a single man had been returned from Nova Scotia opposed to the Government of which 1 was a member, and oidy one who wa? in a position to be called an Independent member. I need lot go through the various steps that led to the downfall of the Dominion Gov- ernment in 1873. In that year the hon. member for Lambton (Mr. Mac- kenzie) was called upon to form an Administration. What then ? As every one knows, the hon. gentle- man made a midnight surprise and attack upon the constituencies ot Canada. I will not use the words of Mr. Disraeli in relation to a somewhat similar act done by Mr. Gladstone, when he said it was an act of '* black treachery !" I will not use such strong language, but say it was a midnight surprise, because I wish to be moderate in the expressions I use in relation to this and other matters, and the strength of the position will en- able us to exercise that modera- tion. It was a midnight surprise. The hon. gentleman (Mr. Mackenzie), at a recent public demonstration in Ontario, asked the question if anybody supposed he was idiot enough to at- tempt to carry on the Government with the Parliament elected in 1872. I think what has taken place between 1874 and the present time will satisfy every jjerson that the hon. gentleman exercised a wise discretion in going to the country at that time. It was, however, a surprise, not to me, not to the Conservative party in the country alone, but it was a bitter surprise, not only to tho gentlemen who sit behind him, but to his own colleagues. When I tell this House that tho tirst informa- tion one of tho Cabinet Ministers had thnt there was a dissolution and that he was to go back to his constituents, was from your humble servant. That the hon. Premier had not cntrusleil to his own colleagues the fact that he intended to dissolve Par- liament, I think 1 am warranted in using strong language. The hon. the Premier, when called upon to form an Administration, sent half a dozen gentlemen to their consti- tuencies for re-election, and then, bofore they took their seats, dissolved the Parliament to which they wcio elcctcil. That it was a surprise to his I ii , ,» -«- , », ■!;..,Aig:,:,.::,;i:.' »*.». 'X^-tll be out Sj because the 'ai-^'o majonty ear, do." That '0 thom. What ■Ho made the O8«iblo to con- JO'-'tj', known ' the hon. the ». be the loader '"» it onabJod •^ff'ganticact eJ in Canada, 'a' corrun- ''"t a vote.' ; that hon. «f »8, had out in the "6 turned "■upt exor- Ci-own, by de.and bar- i and car- t Minister V' of 2, 147.' t hon. gen- ■d (?) the enacted, tute-book '' briber J ended so >ldinjrr n "^ certain intil the 'though ouldnot bat one 10 Com- thad two and void avoids House which eman 'ikes, wion. )t in )o.s«i. 3tion UMe; and 1 bo rain ht of -^."W^'niiniMlio J>ominiou; t1 r'^'''"nent of tj.o J^>«y themselves ^hl"""" ^^'''O'" |o 't, and a inomhn ^. ai>poinf,ed I^effislature wa™ . "^ '^^ Lo^aJ ««d oven when he ^i^f . '"" '% };;eneral went to „« ^^ .Attorney! that county, we foun/^K ^^°''^'0" '« P«wer of the Crown .„^l '*^'«'» the ^'««'^; He couli not tf .''^^^ «^er- *|o« in that counL « hI ^PP^^'- *'>« ranks of th? r^^denl/ ,•„ wan opposite, in refir^i?- ^*^""«- «fflee conferred unon h-^''\« ^^Sh l^om.nion Government f .''•^ *^« that ,f the hon. ^1^ ^'^d I ,ay Jenee, not onjy ofa„ ',?'*" ^'^'^t^ ^v^il ^ocal Governint of f, ;^"^« ^'th the ,f!^-P;oTnc:'T^-' therecoS: then; dealings with (hfs p '"* ""^ ^"'•">«h the most\h '.^"''^'•"'nent, ^o^btedeviden^ofif w!r^. ""^ un-' ''« o ask the hon th« r ''^T'^^oo'^l ^novvJedgo befom r ^'f' ^^'^h the -of the fact of thesfil ?i ''" ^'^^'atcd ;-«^'«'^'ed an imn.enretr''""^*^"^^«v.-ng f'eman whether L tt*'^ ^'^n. gen- J»«t or correct thh,l f ''' '^ «'«« a "nJ such an exalted t "'Y''^'^ P"'-ity ^'c moralitr tn t ''''»"'Jard of n„if f'at positioTv,?th th? ' f^'"'«teri,; him furnished hy^^ «^'"^«"ce before ^^hjch half-a' "'^ any intelligence ' V''^"^ ''^''o an^ anxiouj,iy strmlr' ^'"'^ «affoi-ly ""vantage tritg^^Jof^eure id vvinter freight port „ ( ''?'"^' the chants werS neSar '^ ^'^" "^^r- GovornmentfoHfJi';V''f .,^'"th this fe'entleman wante l.-J**^ '^ *^« hon. power of thoXtn h^v- "'\ ^^ the 'n this rciravd T?u-^'"f^ *»««" used -allparties^r^hVdXr^rer land. '""''^ tor Northumber- ^le case of the £ "°* ^'"r '^'^^t Northumberland ha'^odo'^S it ''' ^^R. MITCHELL- am answer, and I wTli . " ^"o^ me to gentleman thaU^Tto^'^ *'^« ^«^ % public card i, foil? ''° ^'^^ it. ^i^e reason whvfi ^''^ country of ^^-•thumberlaSiji'L^d T""^'"' '^^ ?;,../.^ -«« hecauseTe' iVf .rj^'-^" .,• "'""«^"and delavpri i- — '"' J'on. It was because h«/'u .'"^^'^'na- .^^^ duty of the Ssfvr" '' '« *>« ^7 y «eats atJected and ,,?tl";f «'•' ^^'^h ^ ^or y gentlemen so i ^ w "^'««« ^h's House t/» k assailed in ^^o"-, and'in lu-coSn ^^^''■'""'^ '^- P'-'nciples ,,one tn.h"'"^ ^'^h his wa. the o,;i5. real' wV"r/'"->'- Tb • '•<^««>nation so loL ''^/ ^^''^ye^ my "nt,l i Haw thc'e wlf noi ''"^"•^'^'^ '^ and there is a LrLn ^ope tor it • f '««d-"g memC wT." "^ '^'' -^ouse,' Jon. the leader o/'thrr^ '"PPO'-t« the .J^-nows that my co./v.W^^^""'"^"'^ ^ho '««t July was fhat ie'^o^ "" '"'« «« J;««olved, and my conS^'' '^''"''' '^^ «t'ong that I ^^as ZT^T ^«« «» somethingnioretKn^'^P"'*®^ to stake now. ''"'^' at that gentleman Si -^f-^' M. V. IB make it impossi. «^. in relation to forthe use of n. mrrying the eiec- "ei- roHHon wJiieli 'e^ the hon. /'en- t'liH.tliey found 3 the writ con- "le time when 1^1 wJien evorv "1 llali/iix who r Were eagerly "g to secure (ho of being the anJ the mer- 'n^' with this •at if the hon. '?n«e of the ^»ng been used ■ that he will tements as a 9,with relation t every person jpest interest bout the case ■N^orthumber- t know what Jiember for with it. ow me to 5il the hon. t'o with it. country of omber for j^ .I'oaigna- 't to be iNtei-, with tbo names sailed in ifiod the with his •J. This 'ajed my 'ayed it . ^^'' it; in House, orts the ent who iate as ^ould be was 60 stake a on it, tJemaa Mr. TUPPP]R : I consider llie allu- iiion of the* hon. the MiiiiHter of the Interior to tiie cane of iho hon. mem- ber for Northumberland unfortunate for himsell', for the case of the hon. rnomber for Northumberland forma a bright contrast with the case to which I liave referred. Only a technical difficulty urot-e, and tlie hon. gentlo- man, finding this technical diftlculty, Tiatinally withlield liis resignation until ho found that tlio hon. the First Minister was not going to discharge his duly to the House and the country by dissolving it and making an a])peal to the people. The lion, gentleman (Mr. Mitchell) then throw himself into the hands of his constituents, and Avith what result? Why, all the hon. gentleman had to show was his record of straightforward and uncompromis- ing hostility to the hon. gentlemen opposite to be sent back here by accla- mation by one of the finest counties to bo found in the whole Province of Now Brunswick. When the hon. the Premier was seeking to help the cause of his struggling candidates, when his Minister of Militia was floundering in the deep, when he was despatching all the telegrams he could send, and exer- cising all the official interference which ho could use in that election for the purpose of bolstering up his cause, when ho (Mr. Jones) was strug- gling to keep the suiging waters from submerging him altogether, where was the hon. member for Northum- berland ? Why, he was floating on the crest of a triumphant popular wave that sends him hero to vindicate the interests of the country in this House. All the lion, gentleman (Mr. Mitchell) liad to do was to place himself in the hiiiuls of his electors, and ho had nothing to fear. The hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones), in his card of thanks to the electors, says that his election was a Free-trudo triumph, and this. Sir, in a constituency where in 1874 he had a majority of 2,147, a strictly party majority. Mr. J ONES: Oh! Ma. TUPPER : Does the hon. gentle- man moan to say that he did not ex- pect to have that majority ? Mr. JONES : I might have thought I would bo likely to have more. Mr. TUPPER : Does the hon. gentle- man mean to say thnt after the coali- tion with Mr. Hill, and with the addi- tional support obtained from the leaders of the Conservative party there, through the means to which I have referred, and the use of the power of the Crown in his favour, that majority was one on which ho could not rely, and that he did not expect to have it at this election ? I pause for a reply. Mr. JONES: ^h: Hill was not with me. Mr. TUPPER: Mr. Hill was the ally of this Government, and can the hon. gentlemen opposite say that there was no alliance when the spectacle was there presented of having their Minister's battle fought all over the country by the Premier of Nova Scotia. Mr. JONES : But in 1874 ? Mr. TUPPER: In 1874, Mr. Hill was with the hon. gentleman, and in 1874, Mr. Hill's adhesion to the cause of hon. gentlemen opposite, and his withdrawal from the Conservative party in connection with other parties, changed the majority of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones). That Hill- Jones alliance gave him the majority of 2,147. But if this was not the case — if Mr. Hill joined the ranks of hon. gentlemen opposite subsequently, then the case became a great deal stronger, because the hon. gentleman ought then to have had a much larger majority with Mr. Hill's support than ho otherwise would have had. The hon. gentleman seems to question his confidence in being entitled to that majority. I will give the House evi- dence on that point which he will scarcely be able to controvert. I hold in my hand an article which was pub- lished in the Acadian Recorder, one of the most violent and determined por- tions of the press supporting the hon. gentleman, and this shows what was thought when this statement was made on January 18, 1878. It says that the battle was fought by the same party that fought tho battle of 1874, and that the hon. gentleman could con- fidently expect tho same majority now as then. It states : — " In 1874, when, as we pointed out last evening, the same gang as are lo.v tooling '■■■■ mv0^-W?!.^M '■■ J w w I 1« Mr. M. II. U'u'lioy were cii^raafil in jilayiiijrotr Mr. llohd, wliofi Drt". I'liikpr ami Aliiioii ami Htiii. .laiiien Macilo lald antl the others were doiii}? all in their jjower to secure Mr. Hobl>'» elt'clioi), tlie vote in tliin county stooii, totals, Jont's 2,9"'.», Hobli H'M. W" see no reanon wliy, if the ciii/eni ol Halifax are true to their own interests, Mr. Uichey should racei ve a Uirjter vote than Mr. Kolib. Tlie latter Imd greater claims lo the supjwrt o( a large nunil>er of the electors than has Mr. Kichey. We tiiink there are very few of those who voted for Mr. Jones in 1874, luit will do so now ; and it is quite certain that many who were led away liy stroni; partizun senti'nicnt in lti74 to oppose Mr. Jones, will now in the interests of Halifax give him their support." There was the etatcmont which was made by one of the strongest Bupportei's in the press of the hon.gentleman.and it declares that he had a right to expect that the same parties which sustained him in 1874 would sustain him then, with this addition, that a largo num- ber of gentlemen, seeing the interests of Haliia.K trembling in the balance, as was the cose at that moment, would not work against a Minister of the Government with whom they were negotiating. But I happen to have evidence that the hon. gentleman has the greatest respect for, and which will settle this question and satisfy the House that he expectcd,or that if he did not expect, he ought to have expected the same majority which ho had in 1874. I will give the hon.gentleman the evidence of his own statcmonts. I undertook to say on the floor of this House, a year ago, that a great change } id taken place in the city and county of Halifax, and in the public sentiment of the country ; I ventured to say that on that occasion, because of what had taken place, when a Sonatorbhip fell vacant. Eveiy man in Nova Scotia, as well as every gentleman in this House,agreed that the hon. member for Halifax (Mr. Power) was entitled to it, and this position was offered to that hon. gentleman and was accepted by him, but it was abandoned because, when those gentlemen called a meeting of their supporters for the purpose of selecting a successor to run the elec- tion, they found that it would not bo well to go into such an election at all. Now, I will give the answer which the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones) ventured to give mo in liiis House on that point, and I will convince him tllat if ho did not think that his mnjoritr of 1874 was a strictly party majority, ho thought it was a majority on which his party could rely now, or at all events he ought to have thought so, because ho said so. The hon. gen- tleman then said : — " The hon. gentleman, in referrinjr to the condition ol the public mind.eaid that the gov- ernment had not ventured to open the con- stituency of Halifax, because they were afraid tliat an Oppoaition member might be returned. There was no one more Anxious than himself, that hie colleague, who had no long and worthily represented the county, should have taken that position, if he hod thought it consistent with his own feelings. If, howeve'', the hon. gentleman had done so. and there )iad been an election he would have been returned by as large a majority as he (Mr. Jones) hod at the last election." There, Sir, is his own declaration ; that is, that his majority of 1874, was, last election, as I contended it was, secured with the same condition of parties that existed to-day, but with this difference — that the people, the intelligent electors of that fine county and city, had had the opportunity of witnessing the record of this Administration and its raal-admin- istration of affairs for four years, and with that difference the parties osten- sibly stood in the same position now as then. And I will invite the atten- tion of the First Minister to the vei-dict he has obtained — a verdict obtained, as I have shown, by an alliance formed between the hon. gentleman and the strongest men who formerly were opposed to him, in violation of all the principles he had professed and which were professed by the Government of which he is a member. No one can look at that majority of 2,147 cut down to a miserable majority of 228 votes, without seeing that without the power of the Crown being exercised, us it was exorcised, in this instance, and the withholding of the writ down to the last mo- ment, so as to make this question, then trembling in the balance, valuable for the Govornnient— instead of having a small majority of 228, in place of a majority of over 2,000, the hon. gentleman would have boon in a miserable minority. And I ^j^ ^^.^ rf" "i-jf' .t. ■mM- H.T. n t lIoiiHoon that point, [•0 him tHat if he did hJH mnjoritv of tlj- pai-ty majority, was a majority y could loiy now, or ight to have thou;|,'ht 1 HO. Tho hon. gon- lan, in referrin« to the smind.suid that the gov- tured to open the cod- ; because tliey were itiori member might be no one more anxioun ? coUeogne, wlio had epreeented the county, at position, if he had ('ith his own feelings, eiitleman liad done so, »» election he would as large a majority as the last election. " n declaration ; that r of 1874, was, last intended it was, same condition existed to-day, Terence—that the gent electors of city, had bad the issinff the record of ind its mal-admin- •r foar years, and the pailiios osten- lame position now invite the atton- ister to the voi-dict erdict obtained, as alliance formed intleman and the formerly wore olation of all tho fossod and which Government of No one can ty of 2,147 cut I majority of 228 that without tho being exercised, «0(1, in this withholding of the last mo- this question, )alunco, valuable isteati of having of 228. in of over 2,000, would have niuority. And 1 have no hesitation in saying, as i I daid to this House a year ago, that | un overwhelming change had taken | place in tho county of Halifax. I also , .>uy that those who live to see .i general election will find everything re- versed, with the conviction in the public mind thai these men will not be able to exercise tho power 1)1' the Cntwii for or against anybody for manv months more. I have lio hesitation in saying that, under these circumstances, when the elect inn takes place, tho city and county of Ualif'ax will prove to be one of tho surest conslituencos that the groiii Ijiberal Conservative party can i-ely upon ; and 1 will leave iny reputation as a ju'ophet do- peiiilent on the realization of that prophecy. I have shown that all the (lualilications which the hon. gentle- man ])Ossesacs, and all the reasons that could entitle him to the support and the contiilenco of this (Jovernmcnt, is that he bad shown himself to be a bigh-priest in coiTuptioii ; and that the First Minister condiuled that he had given such evidences of bis c^ualiti- cations to enter that groat party to u[tbol(l the standard of public mor- ality, and that he was so distinguished a corruj)tionist, that he must actually bo canonized, and therefore he brought liim (.Mr. Jones) into the Adminis- tration. Were there no reasons, no public reasons, why he should r.ot be a member of this Government, r think there were ; ami I think that although we ditl'er upon the question of coalitions — for my right hon. friend the member for Kingston holds now, as always, that men who honestly agree on tho great public questions of tho day might have ditt'ored on past questions, and that whatever their past record had been they may unite in forming un Administration to carry on the public atfairs of tho country, — there IS one ground upon which we agree. The position of my right hon. friend, which I have mentioned, b.as been controverted by the hon. gentlemen opposite ; they have held that no per- son but a lite-long Reformer should enter the (iovernmont ; but, neverthe- less, the Minister of Militia, who exhibited hostility to the ITnion in ]8(!7, alter a life spent in op- jiosing the parties with which those hon. gentlemen had Itoen identiKod, was taken into the Cabinet. But, how- over we nuiy differ on the question of coalition from that jtoint of view, there is one gro[nid upon which wo all agree or ought to. and that is — that no more demoralising public spectacle can bo exhibited in this coinitry th'an the f(M'mation of an Administration or a combination of men who, on im- portant leading public questions, are in open and avowed antagonism. We are all agreed that whatever view.s wo may hold on theories respecting coaliti IS, we are agreed th.at there can be notiiing more monstrous, and noth- ing nvtre corrupt, and nothing more ilisgracefiil than that of a combination of men wiio take otHcc for tho sake of otUce,aiid who,for the sake of ofHce, sink their ditleroiiees upon leading and im- portant ])ublic questions, doing all this tor the sake of combining together and sharing office and power. 1 will .say nothing about the emoluments. Mr. MILLS: Hoar, hear. Mr. TUPPKR: The hon. gentleman says, " hear, hear ; " but I will put the views of that hon. gentleman side by side with those of tho hon gentleman, the Minister of Militia, and I will show him whether they can sit in tho same Cabinet together without ono or the other giving up their views or .sentiments as contained in the pub- lic records of Parliament, on tho most important and loading questions. [ refer now to tho great sugar-retin- ing interest, a question that the hon. gentleman says. " bear, bear," to. I refer to a (juestion respecting which the hon. gentleman (Mr. .fonos) stated ono year ago in this House that it was a vital one ; that the Government wore failing in their duty, that it was a (question, not merely of a few persons engaged in sugar-retiniiig, but of a West India trade worth three or four millions per annuni to this coun- try. He argued that this question was ono of not only gigantic importance, Itut one of vital importance to the constituency he has the honour to re- present in this House. What did tho hon. gentleman say upon that sub- ject in I87•"""-< n.v.^ ' r"V 'n.'n.l il.ai ,' ' '"'''•^"liu.is oC |„h l"""'^'""' I.. .1 'Ir''''-''''-' .>r tl„.s„,l , " ""« xtitwry. Tl,i u«"^ ' .""""""^•""■iN ::'-''"• «vi,i,.i, ] ,, '• '""■ 'iN.iiit,vs, .r,i^ * . '^'^^' |'H..i to ,K 7'' I'"'"'''-' ^-'''1'' ( Ml e s.'in! if, b^e./'u.'tL;i''';:;::i;;;.;:'.^''^''.,vai,.o,,i,ii.„,,, i""l.l.ee.. M.ific, a (J; "■""""'" '• I" t "t "■"•^ ''"''ilulati .oaA""';"-'"" «y-^'..„ wjS ' '""""'"I ") o.,|,.r ,„ s,v„, "•""*'"' """ l,o thoii-ruJir... li... \'[^»(0(i (o olum^jj '-eJKiiiioiu.s in (iw. . Im iu trade oftJuxe o. • "" '' ^^'^'^^ .^^'hicl, his ou-n tT>n.v "'"■ ""■"'■""S ni e«g"o, the ho^, ( f^Ti'-^^.^'-'^^fhiscoI- Jnterior.waso ■<. f:^'""n'^''' "f the •''«^'-:;:K::;;S '" ^^'. ';:: l ;'^ir'^tS'-,^'-^^;'ovor.uno;„ r ;!;^^'!'^i-<. and do^ !ff":!;,'--on I ;:'"'-'^'''-i'.;:X.ot:iS';'^';;.to iie /orgetM his doci-. .•„»;'*' '^" ''"" "^"1 with tl.r. o ^"'^'wts his aiita-roii- '>«'-pts (ho ^h Il'''"1'^"°"f«; J'O ^-vcMu.dorthofc.J!^^/'''-^ to '^^e^-e as foHows -1 '" '^"'^'''^'«"- They ««n'e under tho ha f... ''"^, ^'""^tH to " "e ,va. „„„,', inent whom ho hiZoif i * , ^''" *^"^'«'-n- Navigation H.tuZJiT ""■ "J'^'ade ai •" ^-'^"l and irn o : ,nt n hr'''^' ^««'«« o/lhis country 'T ''"""'^^''^sl^ t''ointero,stofi-s'"J„'^'^l"7/"'rwith ■'^"ythat was a r. w "'l'^'^"^"^'^- I .i leason why tho hon •* «^ ^■^,,-,M t •*.?. ,'to tl„. policy pursiiod ,.;;'"!' "r'-'p'n iinist l,e "r'ji;'"'i'.v--'''ni..H:or I IfiH. Of »vnm (roil, !;;■''■•'';■'•■? u./i, a';: < • . a larg,.,. ,,„u,„it ]\'"^' 'l.ut ,|„. Htutel t'"' liniiniy nfforded Pi'qH^MteroiiH.- '•"••^loi- ,.f Fi„a„eo V' or Ci.nadu' lbr ''!"'^' "|) 1111(1 8iin- '" "li^* coiintrv "", V llu(i ylniinistialioii— itii tiio Govorn- lomjiii. n-J)oii un . '»' li'is H„„sc ""o'^'Ms of hia' 'iiiii.mtely and '' tills .siil.jcct; "o West j,idi„ vns "*' of the «'W him, the 'Jndoj)endont •"•"sitiilndo- "•if'c ho wjts 'Oi-iinieiit on niO(neiit--(|,e prosonU'd to ««ii(od to him >!' (he floor '"•'< aiitagon- o'l tliis im- L' (oi-gotH fho tifiiontM ; he OllllNts to (lie ' the hon. 1!) IS gunlloinuii shoiilil not bo oti'urod a |>oi-troli(), and wliy it could not ho acfojited hy liiiii il'otVeifd, Ix'i-aiisio one oClwo tilings was certain, either the (lovori'inent must cliange its policy and accept that iil'tho lion, gentleman, or he niiiHt abandon the battle he has been lighting in the interests of his (lountry and of his constituents. 1 say, that it was inijiossible, undei- these cireinnstaoccH, Ibi- the lion, ^'eiitlcman to acr-opl ollicc [{ IS impossible lor gentlemen undor these circumstances of open and avowed antagonism to the Administra- of the day u)k)1i an important (pu'slion — n (lUCHtion which is admitted to be vital— it is irnpobsible for this gentle- man logo into the same Administration widioul his country leeling that both the < Government on tho one «ido and the gentleman who joins them on the other is in accord in this: that offlee, power and jjlace are to be obtained at any price. Is it of little eonsoquoneo if the demoralizing spectacle is presented to thecountry of an abandon- ment of principle for tlio sake of olHco uml tor the sake of power? But,, .Sir, there is another reason why the hon. gentleman should not have accepted office. He says i( was a Free-tnide tiiunn)li. A Free-trade triumph ! Why, Sir, 1 hold in my hand a manifesto of the hon. gentleman's opinion published iluring this very contest — a letter addressed by himself to Sir i'Vanci.s llincks — it. which ho argues not only tiie (question of jji-otection to sugar, but, inciilentally, in connection with that, the whole (piestion of Pi-otection in the most able and convincing manner. And that was given to the ])ub- lic before the portfolio wasotlcred to the lion, gentleman as the creed to \,'hich he had subscribed, and the grounds on which he asked for public confidonco. What does bo say ? Ho publishes the letter as evidence of his sentimentf, he says, on this important protection question, I will read this, and the hon. gentleman opposite may say " hear, hear," as ho recognizes passage by passage maintaining in theclearost and ablest manner the doctrine which this side of the House hold as essential to the lulvancement of the country at large. •• You may, perhaps, remember that dui- \»H till' la-t SosHJou ol I'ni'liaiiicnl wv Imd (scM'tal i'()nvcrr{iiiditioH that cNistod with i.st '\u all thai rt'latcM to lliL- liiiaiuMiil |iiiisprity of the lOiiiilry, with whicli finaiicial iiitci'('stlished in the 2)ress. 'Mill' liasjs aiiiH'd at w.as a compromi.-io ho- twi'on all partit'8 without liciii^ \ cry 'sat is fac- tory lo fither. Since that time, iiowcvcr, very ami important cjiatijjos lia\c taken place, arisiug not only out ol the ;;rcat imiirovc- ments in the process of ictinitig, luit also witii ro.-nicut to the more liheral excise con- cessions which have hcen made iiy our Aniericau nei^hlioiirs with the object no doubt of directing alargc portion of our trade into their bands, and which, in my opinion, calls lor immediate action in our own Parliament on the .subject." Hut he does not call so loiully as to )i'event the hon. gentlonian's mouth )eing closed by a portl'olio. •' I, of course, should not presume to ofVer any opinion as to the amount ofdutytlmt should lie levied ou this sweet; but liearine in mind that the article cannot l)e produced al home, and that it enters very largely into daily use in every hoiiseliold in theDoiiiinion, ■ *ii ■ T r^ --..-...,,>■,. J, iiiiiMn,.. , ;.■ ' 7'. '" fill' f" ll"' part old,,, V ' ''^'"'^'toli.v "" '•""^""M)liun a f'lc lion. (1.0 Afinisi ...""' "''"'I' Wi" 'ir.l is n.?n r.''' '''.'''"'•■'.'.in,. 1^' I I I tli Ol till "Olllfin uhn ,., ,|'"'''*t"l. Tills L'Cll. M.r. TUl'/'Kif. I 1 ">« r.'-ovisio,.ni ji,;;;i ' '""" "^/»»« "<• '"rt 'IJ) tills iiuliistrv; tlllU (IJ„.|Jlli(,||. 'I'l,- ,,,,,,L ., •'oo'^no. al»aysa,i:; V , n" "" """umiM , '■■ -u ln.,,M(.„ilv I,, "" /'/'/"•ttNcr.s ""liK'o t;... I.-; ".;?'»'"'• "MiKjlo /,. ' '""" fills (I ..'''/'>.' '''^''. .i;iiill... «^"'y Jino and word (h,. j ' *''^''Oo(\l.'..:-'^.''''"'. "'Hi raise. ""i-uained, 7 ^1,,, , 'j' 'Average ij ,„ , ! in <*u, (h,y ),u„, 1^ • '^ H""r' 'a Groat I •'':'!I""oii..v.a,„lu ar'r ;■'"'"»' 'al'OM,. I tare „„„.e clieanlv ttiu ' , '"'^ '"" ""iMn/a.- ^t' "'JW deals ^^■il|, ,,„. ' «'"'iirli(."ri,u. i„ .,,./'" fi"<'«(ion of '"•^•^■•- «i.-J.Vai .is I- '','''•"■'■' W^ HHd fh." «i"u^i.U.H.ro?'^^;^';'i"'eve,u ^'•'-'y^oroivno-s,:;;,,;;,!:""'^"" ■■.";'"- «m aware, ( ic l,,,n '' , '"' -J- ns* *?. <-(• [/"Kar into our ";. "■'">'' '- "r;r ? "/'»;•<•'.»./.., and ''■ "Pl'licl lino ,,^. ' '•>■ ,l"i'.n>lo to " '" '''■•'(««<-tion. „, «•'".' loiiwin <„, f|,i, " . '" '■'•v.Mi.- , ^ "f ''"'^c, J,.. ,„,., l>''»tcc'lioti'_,|„; '"•■'•""" llmt |,„, ''■«'••''"•'• tlmn Af,. "•• ''niiMMiorul, or ""<'• 111 iustico I iH'cnino roconfly !.'« N'l^'nr ivfinorv lilllflJ.V. ''■'■• ' lia.l i.oi. ' '" '".V liiitid, in "finio as one of '•"'N iiii indnco- <'conio (•ii<'u<'-(>d ">'■> iiidiistrx-; "iiirk l,u\v i„ ':' '""'• .^nKle- ''•"/n 111,., col- 'od. and raise. '■'•is in(Jnstiy. '■•^''W(.,i«il,li. on "■';'^•^. vviti, ali • ; '"'"J- lul-oiir, Kl'( f0l,||y aiiil •' <"'i iiiitiiur,,,.. "3; I'liil of tin- ^' .!"'•«<■ market fl'K'Ntiun o/" ^'.•Wil|;.s, .„|j '" I "event ''"ill induN- li^•^aid;>_ '** ''H'^'o niar- tliuii rediHv '••'i-'' inakjiig "'.inidlii.Q,.p "'•le.H iiiaili. t'lioivii iutu 21 I s till' niui'k> t, ^t'liiriillv lit u loKH, lu di<' ;{i't'iit injury ot llii' rclinrr, witlioiit, mi th>' aviTiiKi'i lit'intt uC i>i'i''li H til the >'<>n«iiiiifr ; for thin I'lU-oii tliut mmri'o of oujiply (•aiiinil tx' (|i'pi>nili'il on, liir iiutn' I'onicM liirwiinl ii ilic murki't at lioino nilniiti ct llicit- Hi-llin)( it tliiTt' to imImiiiIii)!!'.'' What do till' Imn. ;^fiuloni«ii's rol- lea^iu's think of tiiat fora Fri>o-truh out our industriiH by rednciiifj; the pri((! in our market . What d;ter of the Interior lliiiiK iif the doctrine that iio advan- tage is secured by that reduction, bo- cause of the slaughtering of Canadian industries, siiico the foreigner can have exactly the sumo price he cliarooii as he has crushed out our induslrios '.' " Ajriiin. von arc no doubt iiwurc tlmt the Aiiieiiciin (joveniinciit — '' Mark, Sir, this American (iovernment, that wo are loM is sacritieing every- body in their country b3' a high ])ro- teclive policy, is held up by this Min- ister (d the J^Iilitia, to the admiring ga/.e of .Sir Fi-ancis llincks. as a Gov- ornniciit that is alive to the intorest-s of their own country. He says " A)/aiii, yoii arc no doubt awiiro that the American (lovcninn'iit, iiluays ulivc to the interests of tlieir |ieo|ile, mid all tliiit relates to the pnjHiK'iity ot llieir country, linve w"- i-ently passed a 'f reasuiy Order, increasing very consiJiraUly tlic ilruw-back on wliite re- lined sui;ar, tlie residtot wliicli, I learn, lias I'ecn that the ;;reut liiilk of that quality now used in Canaila comes from that quarter, and their maniiractiirc ia entirely abandoned lit Montreal, where t'ormerly large quantities were made ; heiKH', it Iblfovvf*, that if our trade is to l)e encouraged or sustained, such exceptional legislation as 1 have reterred to, must be met by corresponding legislation on our part." J->X!U'tly what we claim ; but. thou he goes on to the general (question ol'Pi'O- leciion. Ileur him, again ! wliUtdoM ho hay '{ " Uii principle, I nni not one ol tho^e who iidvoeiite or believe in the putjey ni jii){h pro» le;-tivo taritls— " Mark, Sir, he nuulides— ho does not «uy he is not an iidvccale of a profectivo laritfoii principle, lie is not an advo. ealeofa high protective tarilf. I will show you that he was aii advocate of the highest j)roteclivo tarilf evora^ko high as l.'id per cent, on ])etroleum, which the bon. gentleman voted for and inuintaincd UL'aiust a •renlloinaii on this side of the House. '• On principle, I am iioi one o' tlio*.! who iiilviicaly or lielieve in th'' )«jlii'y ol liivli pri>- teetive turilfs, ImiI 1 have h.'loie im the pu large as the one I lelor to should he placed on us favoiiralile terms. I liwiy iin'iition that b luU and shoes, lirooiiis and baskets, caps and hat", soap, I'lotliing, warp, cottons ami woollens, iiallier, inachin- erv ami nails, sails, viacirar, etc, , and many otlicr articles have a protection ot I j per cent, while rum and wlii:-kcy, tobacco, petroleum, ami lieer, are all prolcclcl to a liiiicli larger extent. (Jn Ihis ground, tlnrelore, and this alone, 1 believr the people of Cauinla would not object to the reliiiery interests ot the (.oiintry beiic.' phucd on an equal looting as indicated in the pnc.ding siiggi'stions ; and I tr'i.-l t'lom your well known taniiliaritv ivitb the subject, that tln-e \ie«s may c(Uiimend themselves M y.iur judgment. ] presume it will lie generally a.lmiUed that every branch of iiiilu.-try siioukl be placed on the saiiie liioting, mid 1 cannot tor a momeiit conceive liow lliis iiitei. -t, iVoiii which nearly one- fourth of our revenue is I'ollected, .slioiilii, m far us tiirill' arraiiL'eiiients ari> concerned, lie placed at a ilisad vantage. Our great staples of exports are fish, lumber and coal, which (ind a market iu the West Indies. From thence the course oi'traile i^: that our vessels liring hack their proceeds in sugar and molas- ses. I'Virmerly we had a large and increasing trade in these articles, but since so mucE English and American refined sugars have been coming in the market it has fallen ott" very considerably, being directed chielly to Hoston, w here the refiners have the benefit of our vessels as their carriers ; and alter the sugar is reiincd they then send it to the market where it should have come in its raw comii- lion. 1 teel assured if my views were carried out, that it would give an important stimulus 10 the refininL' interest.-: and tend to the e>tab- fr I \\ \ I 11 SS^^^^-fi'r as he I have ren,/ n ^'^' •^"»'>-s." fontation r, , "' *'"' "'•/'air L^ «'ootoj-8 of fhfJ ** Minister to ♦u"^ ' ^* '^as of H^ '^ '«e/jfio,.p,j Hl 6oBn ^ *"'>o to .1.. 'MWicy— :f;i^'^ Id- .. ,''° . made hv aS:r"'"^^ Tat io^t't ''« e|>an«^ for ,,;^ «?'«'' !?«.•/«..;," ,^''f'««t .Session "'^;;"'em boo) S"-. that hf« i!o cr "^' ^^ """• t'eri- ■oinu'L-tcii I ']{ t''« J.on "Wat the , /♦'latdooN '«teGovo,n- fe nia.|oi-fty, "to- to „„ '"i«»t'/o of "''.V fault ^ Govern. •o/»iidi,ite(j ?" that -''fl/ll.stOJ- •oii'id ,•„ faith, UH "tN made 'unihia " I'st Mi„. 2a jstor. What is the doctrine of the hon. the Minister of Militin, who has just gone into this Government? Why, he says: "The only fault he had to find with the Government was that thoy had not repudi- ated the whole transaction." There is an open avowal of bad faith ; there is an open avowal of repudiation advocated by the hon. the Minister of Militia as lately as the last Session of Parliament. Why, the people of British Columbia at this moment are agitated, and naturally agitJited, at the belief that the present Government of Canada have been trifling with this important question of railway communication with British Columbia. The people have charged the Government, in memorials to the Imperial (fovornment, with bad faith in not attempting to carry out their engagements. They have double rea- son for their suspicions— I trust they are nothing more than suspicions— but they have double reason for it when they find that a gentleman on tiie floor of this House, in fact, only the last Session of this House, said that the only fault he had to find with this Government, in connection with the Canadian Pacific Kailway, was that they hiul wot repudiated the whole transaction. I think that is another reason why the hon. gentleman should not have been i-egaried as a pei'son who could be a member of the Govern- ment in the inte.'esis ol Canada, and of the harmony that ought to prevail, and that it is desirable should prevail, in every section of this great Dominion, and why he should not have been brought into this Government to givo force and point to the suspicions and feelings which have agitated to so large an extent that important section of Ibis country. But, Sir, there is another reason more important, I regret to sav, than either of those to which I have referred, why the hon. the Min- ister of Militia should not have been a member of any Canadian Government, and why that hon. gentleman should not, of all persons, have been enti'usted with the portfolio of the Minister of Militia. Sir, this is a loyal country ; this is a loyal House, I am glad to saj'. Thunk God that, though wo may dirt'er on the abstract questions of Govern- ment, there is one question the people of Canada do not differ upon, and that is in their loyal allegiance to our Gracious Sovereign. There is an over- whelming sentiment in the mind of the people of this country to maintain the Crown, and the connection of Canada with that Crown, whatever side of the House gentlemen may nit upon. However' much we may differ on questions of finance, on questions of abstract politics, there is no differ- ence of opinion on that great question of devoted loyalty to the Throne under which we have the happi- ness to live. Yet, I say, if there were no other reason why the hon. gentleman should not be a Minister i,^ this Government or any other Govern- ment, it is because of his past recoi-d. He has placed himself in a position, by his public sentiments, that ought to prevent him from occupying anj' sucH Ijosition in this country. Sir, that was )ad enough Mr. JONES (Halifax) : Whore? Mr. TUPPER : I will tell the hon. gentleman where : it was in a public meeting in the city of Halifax, where the hon. gentleman declared, in the presence of the assembled citizens, on an occasion when they had been called together to give a loyal reception to the Queen's representative — where the Queen's representative hiid comedown to receive a Prince of the Royal blood. It was on that occjision when the citi- zens came together for the )»urpose of tendoi'ing a loyal reception to the Queen's representative, that the hon. gentleman in the pi-esetico of the citizens, stood up and mado a moat violent and inflammatory spec(di. which he concluded by the words, " That he would take otf his hut and cheer when the British flag was hauled down from the citadel." Mr. JONES (Halifax) : Mi-.Spoaker, I shall answer that presently. In the meantime, I say it is u falsehood. Mr. TUPPEli : The hon. gentleman will find me on this occasion, as on all other occasions, when I make a s-nte- ment in this House, prepared to give the evidence, clear and iiicoiitro- vfcitible evidence, of the accuracy of my statement. J hold in my hand a letter addressed to me by Ucr Maji sty's H 24 tiy liear,! ff.!, *'"» "ere ,1 If! "'»'W(')Mo«-.,:_ "''"'"■IWJ-.JSJI. ■'ours sincerely, ""■•'o.vi.'.s,,.,,,-,::;';;:^';;--- -f/ie ° ' '" "'" "">n „.|,o „.^„ ' '» o ">« mil,li„ibr,.„ , f Vi,;"^" ''.V P>itti„„ ^^^^y, Sir, tak« if "-'■'^■'•'■^"s Don,,:." •'^tertl.ought wJ.af ?!?: "'^ '^ "P«» the .•V^^n^thut the Si^t'^ "'*^^«? it II I am*;:;- ^" "'^' ^owd7h,irr T"" ?••«■ ''•nb't.on is to „se al L^' '^^J'^^' «'»« ^"o power that |-»'Ax. let March, 1871. ■'•'end (?) Alfred Jones I ccount of n.„ """PS I ne jiKj^s who were ♦^"s P< H most inflam- "y ahided bv their "U'Hl Jmn and en,'- Mture todictafot,. "^'^-^opt towards o',, '^Valt.v,h„f, loiil.J remind niv /''at I Jiavo sent o' other rolafed to '^ a»o, lo say fhat '•»« 'nthchoa • ,7!n'^n„>dro8ay ''•"-that wj.at ''f )'0"l'i cheer ^"^'^' -'own „.om "tm c-oi>I,( then ^'•J'OlU'.lM.llhis '<•(•« a,, ),.,„,„^.,, told Mr. v^i, 25 d , Ion ■ •■• .V nun "iH di.sloval -H'S„. jcij^, J' «t Ottawa. J 08. OS Dovi.i:." it upon the mean ? jt ■?toi' of th« i« dut3- to >7 Pllttill^r ''-'T under '*'' a man J>"il down »va .Scotia w off the >n WflH an iH to-daj-^ '»ad hoon man pro. >j«ct amj '6'' that fao cuii obtain lo b.ing Nova Scotia to tight Canada, and breaic up this }}ritish North American Union. I «ai(l, Sir, that we had u loyal people and I thank Ood that we have a loyal militia in this country, and wo know that that bodj' of loyal militiamen is discharging its duty, which is one of the moat impor- tant to the people of this country, at a great ])orsonal sacrifice of tinie and money to themselves. I want to know if the loyal militiamen and militia officers ot this country, who are pre- parin/jj themselves to shod their blood, if neoil Ijo, lo defend our hon>es and hearthstones, and protect our country from any invaderfrom without; if those men, sacrificing as they do, their time and money to (|uality themselves to defend our countiy, are to have ])laccd over them a man whose utterance, on the ()cca>ion 1 have albided to.amount- ed to an open deliance ol' the Crown and a flagrant 'insult to every loyal sub- ject? I can jeadily understand how hiH presence in this Cabinet would be greeted by the hon. tho Postmaster Geneial, but I hope he is the only man in this House, or in this countiy, who would give a hearty cordial echo to the utterances of tho hon. the Minister of Militia. 1 will not do the lion. Ihe PosLmaster (ieneral, as after his voiy extraordinary spt'ccli.he has left his scat in the Houmj, any injustice. 1 will not quote any speiu-.h ho may have maile under excitement, but as ho has ques- tioned this slalement in another place, 1 will quote his own deliberate state- ment, first spoken and then written and pullli^^lled to the ])eoj»le as bis deliberate senlimenf which, (o the best ol my knowledge, has not been with- drawn up lo tins moment. Ho says in a pam])lilet on tho indeiiendence of Canada: '-ll is true that in my humble way, I opposed that scheme (Union) in great part, because I was timitl about the early assumption of sovereignty, which I thought I lore Baw then nuist follow. 1 stated in my place in rarlianie-t, after the coalition of 18G1, that Confederation, if itshould really prove uhat its ])romoterH ])re- tended, an antidote to annexation, was the first step towaids tho indepomlenco of the country. Hut opposition was useless, for Confeileration was tho policy of the Kmpire, and imperial influeuce is always too powerful for colonial dissent, I havo accepted the situation in its fullest sense, as faith- fully and loyally as if I had originally promoted ,it." And mark, Sir, what follows; mark in what sense the hon. gentleman has accepted the opinion of the Province on that Union, which, on the veiy title page, declares that the object of it is the preservation of the tie which connects Canada to the Crown. "But, the first step having been taken, I see dangei's in delay, and I believe it is expedient to take measures for the severance of our present relations to the JOmpire. This is a momentous stmi and requires grave consideration. It must create differences of opinion, and the broadest tolerance .should be uocordcd to discussion. I propose to speak candidly and dispassionately, 1 have no party battles to tight nor personal preferences to gratify. Hold- ing strong ujj:-c senti- ments. If he honestly believes there is danger in delay, if he believes it is the tbity of every man in Canada, in the interests of tho country, to sever our- connection with the Crown, he is right in advocating those views, but no man holding those sontiniLMits should have been permitted to sit side by side with tho hon. the First Minister, who has declared that the interests of the country are closely coiMU'cted with the preservation of the tie with the Mother Country. And with those opinions the Postmaster (ieneral should never have tJikon the oath of oHice being oliliged 1)3' those opinions to u ^c tdl the ])ov.orho had, or bo cati obiuin, to bring about that which he maintains, deliberately, to lie in the interests of the country. I can imagine bow he hailed the entrance of his friend tho hon. tho Minister of Militia into the Cabinet: how ho assured him that he too will cheer when tho British flag is hauled down in Cnnada. Those gen- tlemen are arcadea ambo, but they f f "P'. to SfJ'*". ««Pl>iied th«f „. 2fi "■■>n. of ."r •'"feu, i™r. '" ''•■"I / Saai'd, and wei-A * 'I'M iholy "'"' ''»■- m-Zi ' "■» «.?«.nust „,e,„ V„ V '^""^«d to It nia/or fv of (iQ ■ " -^ortii f)nf„ • '^^^ "lont n'L , . - '" '«^«'n- o 'tW' "'" " fe.\°- o'^;;^'t'";^' •""■iy "1 2ii 1?'™""" ''t been taunted with j;;J«'¥ro the duties 1*^ ^'on- i will call tim !;,-«5«feen placed' nt cc>„,t,t„enc.ie^^ " ^«74, he had h ^as changed in the /y^-'ty against ''.""•. -ft the citv ^■niavou, of th'e 8 changed to 128 ^«'-t''. Ontario a "'•oftheUovern- '' majority of 87 ^"^h Ontario I ''<^"- favou,- was ^^ /o'- their Jtenfrow they t'loir favour, ^oes the hon. ho was elected "'iioml)er; hut 'af ho had a '^"PPoi't him, yof ■- 2*7 gi on ■IS; and ■«" a ma- 'his .side Wh lO \v^a« oi'get. -^'ifrcw) : I '<''• (hat I f^hc return but by a of some- throe can- ion, *^_ a speci- '« stitte- '"/? that Npoken mont. 'he gen- ^''Pport- ing the Ministry defeated my hon. friend the present member by 48. That 18 now changed, by the contest whiili neither the First Minister nor myself will soon forgot, to a majority of 200 in favour of my hon. friend. Tliat was the time when the First Minister went into the constituency and told them it was for them to decide between the two great parties, and he got his answer. Mr. MACKENZIE: I want this distinctly understood : the hon. gen- tleman is contrasting the general election of 1874 with what has taken place since. He is proclaiming a triumph when he had failed there in 18T4. Mr. TIIPPEK: The hon. member for North Jtenfrew has explained that. Mr. white (North Eenfrcw) : Both the gentlomau wlio ran against me in 1874 clainiod to give a support to the Government. One oi' them claimed to give an out-and-out support to the Administration, and the other said that he was prepared to give the Government a fair trial. The agf^ro- gate vote of those two gentlemen, though I defeated them botii, was something like 225 gieater than that which I obtained. So that the subse- quent election of 1875, instead of indi- cating a change of opinion in favour of the Administration, decreased the inu- Jority which they had in 1874. Mr. TITPPEU: I hope thai will satisfy the hon. the First .Minister .'is to the change of sentiment in North Ren- frew. In South Norfolk the vote was changed from 128 in their favour to "2 against them. I am afraid the hon. genthiman has not given the attention to tli()se figures that they deserve, or probably he would have ado|)ted the views which 1 suggested (o him a few minutes since. Mr. MACKEXZIE: This is the twentieth time I have had this state- TBont. Mk. TUPPEIJ: Then the memory of the hon. gentleman is not very reten- tive. North Victoria gave four votes in favour of a supporter of the Govern- ment, and that has been changed to a raaprity of one against them. Mr. MACKENZIE: Was there an election in North Victoria ? Mb. TUPPER: Yes. Mr. Maclen- nan sat in this House. Mr. MACKENZIE : Ho was unseated on petition, and there was no change — not even of a single vote. Mr. TUPrER : As I only claimed a change of two votes the ditlercnco is not verj' great. Mr. MACKENZIE : The hon. mem- ber who sits now for Victoria was member at first. Mr. bow ELL: There were two elections. Mr. TUFPER : My hon. friend and tlie leader of the Opposition concin* in the idea that there was only one elec- tion but I believe there were two elec- tions, if my memory serves me. Mr. BOWELL: Mr. Maclcnnan was elected by four ; he was unseated and re-elected by three. !Mr. Cameron was then seated on the scrutineer vote. Mr. MACKENZIE : By one. Mr. BOWELL: Of course as soon as he got a majority, he started. Mr. TUPPER: In Berthier, a .sup- i)orter of the (Tovernment was elected by acclamation, and the county has since returned a member to oppose them by 272 majority. In Bellechasse also we were unable to put a candidate in the field, but a subsequent election returned a member of the Opposition by 225 majority. Mr. FRECHKTTE: A minority. Mr. MACKENZIE: Yes, taking the North Renfrew view of it. Mr. TUPPER: A gentleman who has been elected by a majority of 255, should not have slurs thrown out against him in this House. In Cham- bly, lOG majority for the tiovernment, has been' changed to 150 against them; in Two Mountains, where a supporter of the (Jovernmcnt was elected in 1874, by 155 majority, at a subsequent elec- tion the Government could not tind a candidate to put in the field at all, and my hon. friend the present member was elected by acclamation. In Char- levoi.K, a majority of 278 in their favour had been changed tooneof 211 against them. M W^^mm'^mm fih^- 'I; I ^°'- -> ifa-SoS .'»'t^!;, ?^f: I :v' '-■■'■•".Tor.'''' 'A""?" "-no-? 3«,«,"';w^ of =4 F°„;™« ■"«« I ■»™bo«"'„i7«'«'' "" "''"'.pmrT f'^'^'^an] Jsiar., ,r^" Queen's, p. In * "Po;, Was olec/oW K "»«mb(>i' fxr,- ^n Monti-oal We "f •^,'' '"'''.'«'•>■ fy of ss' oJppVi '®"^ '>f' m ;, "Jpo'-t of the 'HL's or 7 ."^'^ale. if tu , "'««Poetivo of pa^V '"■ ^••^"^^'ion?? ''« ''Overn,„e„t" 1 '''*^->' ^« support Ntronnoi-. T, .' »'y case ,\, /k ^^^■■■"■««£;/;::t'™™', »■;',:„'? iff . ""' ban/fs ijjt '■easoii ^''«aDee.;f;n4f 'J'e " ^'^ »'a/o,nv'J^,f -/''at '■« "Ui he rouj,j on J nioaiis |>v "f 'jn.-ijo,' ."'""'OM iiui, ,.-;;"*"■* raiTio, "S" »""■" 1874 ..''i "?■""= i -ir,. .. . ^^'"niont •111,1 .1 '''Aonism ' '"u Jofu|.,nj I , '"' aiii/ tljo 0)).,.,. *, a mail "!"»»«. Ii,,:"'! '-'.« ..„.";;:! Hf. ? tho electojB as a ■';,^'«^«n will act^^ I J presume those :«lhe,r conscience, ;^f''eyUo support 'y case is' the mcml,o.. for b,^ ^•w), was (.iai,pod '«'•*«'•• JHio,^*, 1?,^:^ V'ctoi-v. see- uincHl only by • " the loan- «i>tionien are in 1?*^^"^. «o much l'i« proof of the ; t'eeauso they tl'e u-o(| Slip. Th(wi take '''^P'loliniiiir ''>'- and the ""toi- of In- '^-^ I>'-)jniiar u'! '"' *'' '■» Hho„ you ■''puts, and ''"^ c'ause, 'f ^'''iango '1" I'opi-e- "os ox- iins vvero ••'Ijilifies, iisioi- has i^fin shut '» as to country. 3;> /i^oes fa . have I'ly one I'lC Pi-o- lon tiie ay one follower into Honiothin^ like one- i fourth of iho inenihors (rom that Pio- vinco, when the Minister of Militia is I beaten in his own county of i)igby, and : when, in the groat metropolitan con- stituency of Halifax, a majoi'ityof over 2,00) is bronirht down to one of 228, which would not have existed at all but for the means that wore used, and which could not have been used under other circumstances, if the hon. First Min- ister does not see tiie handwritinjif on the wall then the hon. gentle- man is blind to the evidences which are apparent throughout the coun- try, and to which no other man can shut his eyes. He will fail in his duty if ho does not see here in this declaration of the people oC Canada that his day is past, and that the sooner he places his trust in the hands of the sovereign people from whom he received it, the sooner ho will bo acting in accordance with constitutional pre- cedent. Mr. Glailstone adopted the same course, under circumstances not a tithe as sti'ong as that. He resigned his trust and called upon the people of England to say whether he was to con- tinue in office or not — not because ho had not n majority, but said, "J cannot be blind to the fact that day after day the ]u'ople in these individual elec- tions"-— and every one knows the power that the (xovornmont of the day can exercise in individual elections, which they cannot exercise in the general elections,and wc know the unscrupulous manner in which that power has been used by this (Tovcrnmont — "have evinc- ed the withdrawal of public contidence Irom me in a number of constituencies. I will not be false to my country or to the duty i owe to the will of the country, and will not hesitate a mo- ment in placing the power in the hands of the people ihemselves to say whom they wish U) reign over tliem." Theie is another great Liberal authority, one who is regarded as one of the strongest Liberal authorities, Serhaps, to be found in the ranks of the liberal party in Ei>gland, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr. Robert I jowe. He says, " That the Prime Minister owes it to himself and to the country, the moment he sees those significant indications of his failure to carry these local elections, to resign his I rust to the people." Mr. Lowe further says ; — " A Cioverninent regu- lates itself by the public pulse. When it has a goo;l working majority in the House, that is evidence of the jirima I'iU'ir kind that it enjoys the public con- fidence. But it ohen liappens, that, while this majority obtained at a gener- al election or otherwise, still give the tJovcrnmcnt its best support, the popu- lar confiilcnce in the (iovornment is shaken or lost. It often happens, in short, that although the Government has a majority, and perhags a large one, the peo])lo, the source of power, ar(> so hostile to it that a general election wouhl result in its complete overthrow and the complete disappear- ance of that majority. Now, no trov- ernment, worthy the name, would con- sent to hold office when it found itself in the position just outlined. Mere bureaucrats might, but statesmen in i\i free country have more respect for its institutions, and I n ay add, more self- respect than to auempt or dream of anything of the kind. A (rovernment is informed of the stateof public feeling, among other things, by the result of what I may call inter- mediate elections, isolated elections held after a general election. If these elections go against the (lovernment, one after another, if seats long ac- j counted theirs, suddenly return mem- I bers of the party opposite, why then ' they know — for are they not told in a 1 inannerat once brusque and striKing — ! that their majority in the House is no longer proof that they enjoy popular contidence. Knowing that, what are they to do? Hold on to office? Continue to conduct the affairs of a free country when the majority of the people are jtalpably hostile to them '! Why. that would be usurpation ! Wc have been called disturbers, but usurper.s, never ! ! Does the hon. gonlleinan wi.sh to be considered a usurper ! The hon. the First Minister, has refjrrelto my hon. friend, theloiiderof ihe Opposition, as anxious about struggling candidates. T have not seen any struggling candi- dates. All we have to do is to i)lace a candidate before the peoiilc, and say- he is an opponent of the present (Gov- ernment, to prevent him from being a struggling candidate. m' .sm^:: •:# '••-''^'"•"•0 o '" ^^^'■''•tm^ i!1 ^">n. '" Uk. ;. '■ ^«<'0Jid ,..; , ''0'"^o oil "«• •nu.,.,-P ° °'"'''' ' "'« J have not MLT. I'" '"« or ;„ . "''"' t'"-"" Vhir '" ""'isler of \f;i i- yy »ne.s wij/ oe Oommitloo of I'riviic^jc'Haud Kloctions, 1 will forfeit ^500 to ho distrihiitwl : ainonjjj eiuirities anywhere, if Mr. .lones will (h) tho .same thiiij.;. No.\t, ; Sir, ho has ventured to refer to the ] tjueHtioii of the l^ietou Jlaiiway. The I ne of them put hero by Mr. .lones' own ad- vice in the position of a Justice of the Supreme Court — are corrupt and dis- honourable men. Mr. JONKS: 1 did not ptit him theie. Mr. TUl'PEK : No ; but ho was tho leader of tho party in Nova Scotia who put him there, and concurred ill it. That is the foundation upon which the hon. tho Minister of Militia ventures to indulge in a dis- honourable imputation lor the support of whicdi there is not a particle of proof All the evidence that ever was adduced was a speech of Mr. Archi- bald's, leading tho Opposition at the time. He challenged our act, and criticised it in tho closest manner, as an Opposition member should challenge the actions of a (xovernment. It was submitted to the Legislature, and we wore sustained by a large majority ; and Mr. Arcliibalil, at ;i subsequent day, Cublicly declared years ago, that ho eliovcd that tho Act was in the public interest, and the public interest had been .served by it. The moment Mr. Archibalil Ibiind that his name had been used, yoais .iftcrwaids, as having intended to insinuate that there was any private interest of any meinbci' of tho (Jovornmont in connection with the tran.saction, he came out in a letter to me in which he repudiated it, and said ho never entertained such a thought' That is all the testimony the hon. gentleman has in support of an impu- tation only dishonouring to himself. Mr. JOXKS: Did not you ask the letter from tho Governor ? Mr. TUITER : AVhen the statement was made in my count}- by a candidate running in opposition to me, Mr. Archibald was quoted, and 1 wrote him a note to say that that statement hail been made jii his authority. It was in answer to that that he sent me a letter declaring that he had never intended the slightest imjiiitation on tho personal character of any person in relation to it. Now, I say that if in this Uouse a gentleman can venture, on a foundation such as that, to impugn the standing of a public man, public life would become utterly intolerable. I a|ipeal to gentlemen on Itoth sides of tho House if such is not tho case. Then, Sir, he has referred to the Springhill Mines. Well, he knows perfectly well that the jn-ess ot his party hacl been two years reiterating these slander- ous falsehoods in tho I'rovince of Nova Scotia ; and he knows that at the end of that two ycais 1 came out over my own signature and gave a straightfor- wanl account of the whole transaction. 1 showed that 1 'iad never had an interest in mining property in Nova Scotia to the extent of one dollar, until after 1 ceased to be a member ot tho Government of Nm'a Scotia, and was as free as the hon. gentleman himself to speculate in mines or in anything else 1 showed that tho Order in Council which was passed in relation to the mines was put by the Govern- ment of Mr. Annand on the Statute- book afterwards. 1 showed that tho publication of that Order took place when 1 was three thousand miles away. ; M. t ; I •«' ho |„u, ', ; :;", : 'l'-^ "f J/alifa.v ''■'*''«'' on Wodnl " ^•''"''- Pii^ ''^'- "-inc!, at «h fm f"^" '<' •■'".and '•0"mlH. VVln-vn ":*'''•« ••opo>•(v• ^'",*'0U,o„.sandnies ..?'•"' ' '"''v. 0"b-oviden(.eadcSis V''^'""' ^l^" ^''•''"^^'m.an.la 'eaf?^ "'^ «"y .^'OiiUonuu ;n ;r.^ ^"';'^ "« ^i'oo «f>;^-''"c' ■•n ,„inc.:^; ;?;;; Hon.so to attorn,.)- ,Vo,n Mv Hin " '''^'"'er of «ciUmjr ,„. ^'^'- 7'ac,k and i-oni-o f,;^^''"^ ••> most .sn .COS f'^'"'"' ^''"^^ f»t n was ono iust of^ "i'"f'"''f'"n .- ff' '"'■as asimii"; '!*'" ""'' an /'.•oo the .sworn (cstimony ,' ■ ' 'r'' '"'j '^''^h t(--«imonv oftho n I ' '""' f''« '^won, 'nstanco .vi„;" ^ ^:^;;-" at „., «,.!; *»?fl <'onch .sivo th "-^ f''^"'»o.stc;oar "^'atwas th,. ,' *"^"'^'ain»i,en. ''"^ ''r day, , J^,; «^^'-ons .t.aokH .)ia, hj^^^ear, f,,, t^,. •""»y w,»n(ryi. .'i ; "'''"t"oman P'-ovcda noirativ, "''"' "''"" '" do J ^'atomonts. ^Viu- ' [ ''/•,"" thei.' PIH""lod(otJ,oc.o, trv " ""'f- r t''« ansu-.TV tZ •^'"'"'"'f'atwa. I'vorwholn,;,,,, ,.;' ,„""''*^^5''- "as ,in T'>^^^-uulo,;;'S7';"'''>nof .J.ee and V(„o,.„|,|,, A .^.,V".' /ate vono,.«ted •^'"">^' thoN,. Kij,,,,.. '/'''''''^■''p»l)- ,7'Vho/.noatostn,a'nV '''■■''' '"«'Jo '"'''.7"'-"" n.anno. ' "'''''! ''" «" ,^""''fN;andl,„.J,oso ..,"■"•''' ^''«-'*« .';« \vholo ,H.,io J (•"''■'''■''''■ ''armg '"P"^'n. pn.vod tZ' „^ /"''""'ont to "'"••''-•'"V.snp;uU'r^ ^^i«. jom:s . xo no. J^^^'n-vpi^n-. Yes Si.. , f''''^'finwl„V:|//H^ :;, ''^t tho vory i"-' '-mo.:.' :,,;''-'■'' Mul.,ive,i •^7"'a than >n,;,.oduU,ri"'\r^-. "^^" '^'V ^•'";n.o',;:,r;;'u'''^"';i-'- ^ 'f ''ysayino.,,,-,, • ';vilno(ahu,so <^'"iiiaininir ovi- ;''V'''i''''"'wil'l,',''.t,,',i'' """'"""li.,,, ':hk ' ^ ','"'"0 OIK and itavf^ "''lis "'"'^ '"^ --' '""<•« UJKJil (Odo — -not only ohi.lli.,Je".-u.yc.,„nfJ ''<'U.adl...onpu), "' ""^' ««'M (liom '•V'''\v'""l made '" A ova .Sofia: n'""' Hson in an oH.anu„.,.,lurin,r '.V'vucTinjjnijIif. "<> man vvvx von- "' /'"' lian.ont to '" ;';« ■^''Kl.to^t '!'•;•/ f'.VoncMvho Union ai'isinir 10. •'^''■; lio.s;ii,l he . '^t (iio veiy on.ycs mj- con- Miil<,Tave, [ ""•'or in \ova ""oiiiaii Jiim- •■i '< "nidation «" arc to be If tmswof on '""• ircntle- ^vhi> (lo/oatod '•'"1 tJiat (, in own ,siir. '"tt)"Os(.^ of Nll|)],()|.(. J iiidiilircncc ' 'lot ul.use ■|if(i„.r: but '", iiiHtcad '•' ' '•••ad'ii, lillin^r ^,y■,_ iiisininuion "I iiasvon- 'iil>lici-|,u,.. 33 -rl actor, but my private rluiiiutoi'. luro | tO'tii^ht, vvhii^h no ^ctitlfninii. wliilf I | wuH on thertoorof tlif lldii-rul A«'-(in- I hly in Non Scotia, biiur ms imrly wtrUij^loH wiM'o ifi tbat l'io\ luce, ever ; vonMired to impugn. I ^av n;'»rc. al'icr I coaHod to be amcmlKT ol tliai linioo, I wliilo it was under Ibo conlrul ol' i\u- , hon. s^ontlcman's fi-iomU oj)]>(»sito, this i very qiioslion ol llio Sprinirhill Mines was hubmiltod to a most oNhauslive ' examination and invcstifration l)oforo a committee, and tlic^- woio unable t) | estiiblish one Jol or little of cvid(*nco in \ suppoi't ot'tlie Htalcinent which the iioii. I guiilloman has made hero to-nij;ht. •' Ottawa, Febnmry 6, l.STJ. " To Hon. Jami;s McDoxai.i., M.FJ'. j " .\rv Dkak M( l)(lN\l.ll,— ".Mlll(MlJ^ll I ha\(' (III ;)riiii'i|il(' rcliiscd i.i iiiiiki liny (It't'euce ii;.'iiiiisl tho vik' Mlumler- iipuii my jiiililii' i:lui"iictt'r invcnU'cl !iiilii'il liy the Anti-riiioii prfHs nC Nnv:i SuDlKi — lpi'i:;ui>-t' 1 tlioiij;lit ilw.mlii c^lulili^li n voi'v iiiiiii'opor piiK^'ic'c ir ;i jiililu' iiiuii wer.' ciillril iipuii to ik'lciiil liiiii-^clr in llic pies.^ iiiaiiist uiili)iiiiiliil Ciiliiiniiv uiisupp.irt- eil \>y iiiiy sliuw ol' i\ iiioncL' — 1 would liki' yiii 111 lie prt'liiiied to meet any cliiirL'cs that iiiiiv 111' iiiiiiK' iigiiin^l iiK! ill till' Lcjrislatiirc ol Xov;i Sciil;u,u.- I will In' pn'|iar('ii tu iiu'ot llu'iii ill I'ui'liuiiieiil. Well kiidwiiijr that tlif t'lu'iiiit's ol' I'liioii, liiiiliiit; our caii^i' rapiilly coiii.iH'iiiliiiir itfi'lf to till' approval of all iii- Iflliiif'iii iiii'ii.ai'e iiMxioiistoas.-'iiil it tlin)M;^li Die. I Ici'l lliat 1 owi' it to tho country to iTii-li ilieir lying iiivciitiniis liv an array ol fviilciirc wliicli must >ilcni-r them loroviT. " Y-'\u ,\ niti r ll.e Order wa* approved in Couiii'il, leir wiien it wa4 sub>eipienll\ published A- the publieatioii ot Orders in (%)uiicil WHS the duly uf the Clerk ol tin- Iv\eciiii\e ( '.imicil. mid fir the nasuiis men- lio'ied. frole the tiliic ll. at Order wiM ap- proved, the Hub)ect piisscd IViiiii my niuid, until 1 read the attack upon niystdl ciinlaineil ill the Murniiii/ ClirunkU ij\ August 7tn, l«7l » « * • • "When Mr. Ilhick obtulned bis license to search, I wiiscni the other side ofthe .Vlhmtie, and had never exchiiiiged a wmd with him upo'i the sulijecl. Wliih' I was a memlicr ol the < lovernliieiit 1 steall'asljv relused tuhaiu iinylhiiig tii'hi with either i/uld or eii;i| mines, and when I resigned my seat in the 'luvern- ment on the .'inib June, lHii7, I did not owa one cent's wurib ol luining p-uperiv. '• Having said this much in gcneiiil terms, 1 will now furnish ymi with the evidence bearing on every pointon wliich \ l.iive been as-ailed. It is admilled tlial the Order in ('iiuneil made a \iililable ehange in the law, but it is asserted that I gave Mr. Uliick I'rlvate information which enabled him to aiitici|)ale all other parties jn niaking appli- cation under it. Tlieoiil\ ev'ideiice that, in the absence ol any to sustain this (tharge, cuiild be reipiired to diMtpprm e it, is furiiish- ed by the admissifiii of the ClirunicLc itselt, that t\heii Mr. Uliick made his application, after 10 o'clock a.m., on the 'J!ilh ol .Iniie, he had the A'oyu/ 6'(/rf«f of the'2S(;i in |iis jiaiids, containing the Order under which he applied. • • • • . " It is notorious that tiie lioynl (lazvlte i.s almost invariably printed laie in the evening of Wednesday, and .sent to the public olHces some time in the lorenoon ol the ne.xt day. It is not pretended that an'- one was refused a Copy at the Queen's I'rinters, where it always could be had on 'I'liiirsday morning as early as the ollice opened. • ' ' • • « " Having thin disposed of the ipiestion of the siipressioii of the Gazette, I now come to the charge that the ' Order in Conneil was suppressed for four weeks before luiblicatioii.' " As 1 have already said, Iroiii the day on which the Order was settleil in Council in If^t)'), until these attaidcs were made in If^Vl, the matter had not crossed my iiiiiid, and until 1, last aiitiiiiin, met James II. Thoriie, Esq., who was the then Clerk 'j^ the (Council, and whose duly it was to attend to tlie publication of the Order, 1 did not myself know why this delay had occurred. He at once said that he had reiH'iitiy met the Hon. 8. L. .Shannon, who told hi'in that he (.Mr. S.) bad been the iniioceiil caii-e of the delay, when they both I remembered the facts as narrate I in tlieioUow- ! ing allidavil ol Mr. I lioriic and note liom .Mr. Si'.aiiiioii. You will no doubt ri'collcct, ! as I \\k\. that, .Mr. .Shannon dillered in opinion with the ma)ority of the Cotiiicil ujiuii thi.s |ii«?^^B|SS: '■! ,Fv;ji,-i;¥ftii:i!|,|,:; ■■■ ■■■■"■ji-S;", '■^ i''.,"' fife':*.; |i*f:l%:-. .. : ■■■■■«£■ 'f'ift*'-S^^*i' 'II ■ J^fyT ■ ■'"SI lif. """"•'ieic«r,., ''^''*''"- /"'""x. Ill i/u. IV,!:, **• '"'"*"' A, r"' "'« ''-»'<•«. rr'"'"'^. ''"III II, „ 1 ' '"'■ I / ""' 'lute ln^t 'nil til,. I., """ "H^.o si;"""''-' , M'li.ilKii) ^J(• ,. • "^"'^ '"■ "'" '"""•'■•■''sail. ,"""■".'•'.• '.M, "• """ '.8 ,„v ,;■"''■'"'•. an."/ ' '"'""ii.i.sini- frii "MCII, •TCO/' •iV« ■(■M lie, ■ t — 1.1 (^1- "' Coil- "'' til,. ''P jiiir. "'"I .JiM- '>'"' piir. II for U \l r ','"'. and '" -IKji, '"■'•'y ill '"' piir- '<> ratify vii'liR. ol <''' our !•«■-/ iind IIai nAx. lOili Di.KMiiKii, H7I. ; t|ic Miiu>(or .-,(■ Mililiu, in iv|jlv to the oniurks he (Mr/lupper) liiidaudroHMd •' Hosoi imii.K ('ii.\iins Trri't.H, C. H., Ottawa, — "My I)k\ii Sik, — .\i'i« r tlu' iT|)catiii uitiirk* n\, uml tliuijl rccoivnl no iiiliinution Iroin you that uii l)i' lor Id Council liaii paN»«'(l aiilliori/.in;; till' j:ruiitiii;{ ol ci'ioiid ri^'iilM to Hi-iiroli. " III June, IHGH, wlu'ii you vvitc in Enj;- luml, it was thought by llic Irioiiilrt intort'sl- C(l with IMC I hut you coiilil Ik> uI' cHhontiul Hprvi(.p to n« in lirinuin;; tlu' iiiinc to the no. ticc of lini^lish ('ai)ilalHiM, anil I arconlinj^ly c'xcciilcil a I'owiM" ol Altonii'v, uuthori/.iii^ you to.srll the iiiiiiiii;; ri);litM I liail aC(|uiri>(i, which was iliily lran!4iiiitti'il to you { and in l8tl'Jii, was dt'ti'rniincil to(!onvey to you one uiiiliviiled tilth of three Nquare niile8,of which 1 held leases from Mr. .Vuimiid's Oovern- nieiit. "You are aw.vre thiH explanation wa:< at your Hervice last Hiiininer, uiid ^ou can now make what use ofit you pleanc. " llegrettin); you flhould have been the Biihject of HO iiiiich umiieriled abuse, " I remain, yours very truly, (Signed) " C. II. M. Hi.ack." J will not detain the IIoiiso furtlior. I tliiink tliem on both sidoHoftlio llouso lor the indiilf^oiu'O thoy huvo oxlondod to mo in f^iviiit^ino thisdppurtmiity to maito thin stiitomont. I tan only s:iy ihiit whnn tiio hon. f^cntlomiin, in llio ptesonce of his own constituents, al- tomptod to adopt the lino wlii.h lie lias adoptod here toni^lit, as ilio only tnciins of divortini^ attention tVoni his own misdeeds — public misdeeds — lie was mot by the sentimontof an overwholm- ini^ majority of tlio olecti/rs of Ilalifax wiiu wore asHomblod on that occasion. H(3USE OF COMMONS. Friday, Feb., 15th, 1878. Mr. TUPPEK said he wished to avail himself of this opportunity afford- ed by the motion which was just put by the Speaker, to make as brief a reply as possible to liie statomeut of the hon. to the House on a provioas occasion. He mi,i,'!it siy at iho oii(.»et. liiat ho <[uitc riiiiiMinid in the ri'inui'k' made iiy the hull. iiK'iiibcr lur South Waterloo (Mr. \'<*iiuj;;, iliat, if .'inythin;^' was lo Im deprecated in this liouho, it wns any hon nicmbLM- brinj^in^ forward old, stale rehitcd cliarircs, and ho Ihou^'ht gon- llcmen mi both sides of the House would ar(pjit him of bcin!,' open to any constire of that kind. He had endeavoured, in his rcuiaiks, to avoid subjci'ls of that kind, and lo con- tino lii\n>clf to reasons wliii-ii ho had thou;^ht siirtlcicntly stroii;,' ai;ain-t the entrance of the Minister of Miliiia into the Cabinet. He had contiiicd himself, therefore, to that (piestion. He had doducod, as a ii;roiind of object ion, the fact that the hon. gentleman was in strong, oloarly dotined anfaf.fonisin to the tiovcniment of the day on a (jues- tion oi' piiliiic policy which ho (Mr. .(ones) had described as involving three or four millions of dollars per annum, namely the West India Iraile, in which the coHstiluoncy lie (Mr. .Jones) repro- sontod was lai-gely iiitorostel, and .vhich was a (iiicslion involving not only the inlercsts of his (Mr. .lones's) constituency, but almost the entire Province of which he was one of tli« roprcsontatives. JFo had pnsonted to the House, as he had felt it his duty to do, tlio great objection which existed to the advent of a gentleman to a Ministry which was uncomnromisingly hostile lo the views which he had |»ro- poMiidcd as being in the best inLeio.>ls of the countiy. Ho (Mr. .Jones) replied that gentleincn in olUco might ditl'er on minor points. So that what a year ago was a question ol burning inleresi in the estimation of the hon. gentleman — a (luestioii which required him on two occasions to remonstrate with the Government of the day — became, when it was convenient to the Government to ask him to be their colleague, and to associate himself with them in office, a minor question. Ho (.Mi. Tiipiier) loft it to him to settle that with his constituents, and to justify the attitude which he occupied in re- lation to that matter. Ho (Mr. Tuj)- per) also drew the attention of the House to the fact that, on a question lit ^ '>i the i^'';ivi.s| 36 mj ""-faiiff '■'"'rU-uviio, t" ill -t ' "' ilic ( fill- ■'■ "'H/ in-;;:^: »'''-i, t,„. ; ,j to >ti.sto ir^^S'"F=':Ss":;r< '"^y U) ti l'<'«'(.-icK. ,,,■ iKloi '■■•'.<:;.:, :™:»'o-.w '••UlL'll ^'i"i(/crn« "lOOM- lat i,'i-c.'U ='^ 'Milrr"? 't ^f-e ' .:,;, Water ^^-'■''.oZ;".:;::* •^ r; WHs ''•1" (A J ^- HMo,. J.;:"!^' '.c. i„, liiciriii 'ur . " the "''><(mth not oijj r o/,| used and 8ch( =s-=^=«'&f/S£5?iHg^ ^^a« (Ji.U ,..1 ''." "LMVa.s i.of .... '-^f'- 'lll»noi.-\ / I...- •■'"y. on j. ,.„ ^")"nd foiin f,.,.. '> ■'"ontion nf,i" ' '"•■^ed lie k„,, , *■/"'• -liionovK.,.. ;""!:'' to (ho fii 'O'l of (/,• hat .vK- u". '"'■ "i ppoi-) ■np hud '10 Nanu' Js;:'r*s "" iw r, ?:;^^-^a^;; C„;!''« ■'- 'v "' Zi^''''^ prosofie' ^j coll '0;l(>-|; 'P])ei-) initi ile of „; :'°-";n;i,-, ;«(M.w;;i;r;i,':r "!"'':;=.,■ 'I'jf .lll^l . ^'^' "IIS iSODl,.,..! . . and rofo Oli '" f'lo ti ';O'H0,st iK!d J on t/)t T, "'•^ to Ih.. '""./^•'"'out t'ninn /,-, niann •';;!;" ^"n-iod ^'•- The J on ^KVLr:?"'-;^, K:;. ;- (« l/lOllf .,„.. I ' ni cot 'J^?'.) .^hou/,i ho ^elt ,/, ^;^^- '---'ti^'S, ,2^-^.. •{'fu'-o./' ':^y'"^'^"<-ha'i, «e;/ (he ,"■'■ candid, £EiS2;"l&a:=.?^^^^^^ UIHviJ/ P''oson7 ''■«n<'0(/ ■•"« ar !;;« an'i I iia ';'!.!!?•"•' "i Was t. '"* Would niad "la/i, nioof not ';-Noopt to ^«**'<^i npon , ^"^^/'OnMl,;,,,:"'^,'^"'' "o i,;ul on, 'r?'- o(J,, J'O/c to lust s- th tht o\- >e.ssion OI|'r/5( e; M-ho/t, '•; hadd told' .'o li vnt/, th Is !iavo «nian ^di on; '1 I mi hat doi ■■^•^lon of ., hv :;:'"^:^'--. :;;':""<-" or, ;r,::r! "" inioni ^\ ,r •'"' on/j,- iron(l,.m., r "'""oni ^ '^!,,.t'-W^i,,;;;-!-;;''lhoonohi hoJndt <-t, i; •f'i to [io J 'pon- lon. niai oiiso loth. ' "^'1 thoatto (•VI P- .' .r-t'or'ji-^:- of t,- :; iitdid (i, =r;;3:t»i-?t;.-;t :wr^^^^^^^ Olios) d "" 11(1 rod mVl 'icli 'ion ■oilsl/t "t'nt«. •^:''t'n ho rilr'l' '"'•'"' ^^1' 10 vw ?T^'z^^ fan ...'"; i!''*«nt or r, "«"'• «aid ; -< ,n .f, '• uo lOy. |,i, ,,, />;•. '/ lim; opj)o- on aiitl whai h, on ;i to, "P^' "-ar th.;;; 'onsi(/ fho jf, ""■^f^ had (i :ins\v, uj nd •nioi Wit vai'iano 'oval ooe •sent UNion ■^o iittoi '•«<''l(/(.„i,,,, 1,,, / (.iUl. 1(1,,,,,,,.' ^ ..and /V''''*'''''^"'^ of ^'''^^ 'nil! ::,':?"''"^ !''""n had, to "nont com mil tod I vai'ia 'ni- I had 'ico Mil "J'poKs) I P a ,.;, ■ui(|, n / 'OHIO. ,1 ionifir, '.^,'0 of 'urr. "' '^"'S^^'l a ii '■"■lianioni.' / '■■^'pialitiod OIISO ''•aw.- ■^ '''>»■ ox;i;''''^''-conn.d,;;;s ihio f^., ; . '^''> ■•'« (o ,■,,„,)„.../*'"'" 'la inn.,.,..; ""oi-ostod '/oil '''(•aiiso J is-st 8ib/e i'( »!• / 8<(io„,s. ;> /''o ho,,. '■'"'■^"■fxont,. l,"'-''"'"' (Air ' "';''^"') wan '■ '"'^ oppol *<■'• out 0/ 8» ■""odii,,,. I.M '"'"t'nijif, Iii'ilifiod •"INC in. ''/••(oil '"' WilN ill! tor o/' '". JiiicJ, 'I VOVy '• Hi (Mr. Jone«) had said 'hat lie vvouUI bring tliat before ii Committi'o of this HouHo: he (Mr. Tupper) inviUfd him to ilo so. The hon. gentleman had wild that tiio tran.saction was a colour- able one. The colunrablo transaction consisted in this : that when the would nol appear in tlitit jaiMial on the following day. Not a word appcarel: it must be subjected to rovisioi . :iiid must be pared and toned down, and its inconsistencies removed. Ho would direct the attention of the House t.) a single fact in thai connec- tion. The hon. the Mini'-itcrof .Militia niU'fe two statements directly oj)j)osee a ye.'ir ago, llla^ if the county ol Hiilit'ax were open, it would leluin a supporter of the (Jovei nnient by as lari-e a ni jor ty as he h:id himsolf received in 1:^7 I, namely, 2,147 ; that the fact of his nnijoilty at the late election being liltle over "JOO a'.is liue to the gros> mi-— laiement ioid inisie- pieseii trillion made by him (.Mr. Tupper) during the ekclion. Tliat -taieineiit was, however, omiKe.l fiotn the report of flic Glohe, bec;iu.--e the hon. the .Minister mialo another statement, that he tru-^ted the hon. member lor Cumberland wmild visit his con.-.titueiicy again, because, io the district which he visited, he (Mr. .Foncs) obtained an inci^ased majo. ity often, it would not answer the pur- jioscs of the Globe cO publish both statements. He ineicly drew tho at- tention of the House to those facts to show that tho report in the Globe, was a revised and even garbled rojiort, in which important statements wore omitted. The Ottiiwa Free Fre.vi nf Fob. \'MU, said : " When he (Mr Jones) made rilcrence to tin' nuijorify of last year, he had said Mioii, aaJ iiVll'l ■i;':J«^*ifca&.:*u ***»>i2i,^w •'0.-ai,| ijov,, ,) ... ;,. ., , , «'.'IJ .■cf.rn " IM,™"'".> ■■'■ H«lif„.- 38 j,»i#«^liaU«K'; ^^■i^M *Lr. Si''^ '•-• member h Secret Service vZ. -"m or ^t'rio raiiuavcon. «sf gcneraJ o^S" o» '-ojected by his ;;-nment tool/i„to "omber'spartner, ^ f'tV in thosJ ottle tho«e ques- ]'' fo'- t'le if^ouse > tliose circum- ^']o system of '«do at too early W"'>«(orofMili- defence of the ^o't ffi-oatJy for "' ,'."<^A'aIlyo^ >«W,c Treasury "?«'•«, the bene- "' 'j-'s pocket, stated that he '''" the tran.s- '7''J>n"topav 'osM inciured '■^ •'(•(•opted as (liiftstio,, tj.at d boiiiterest- K'l Nil 1.1 ho "(> 'lad not 1 i"iormou.s f'T of the , of that F""I<1 pro- '('-••« than J'N I i'feivcd ■•• of Xova >^'i'''nnH)nt. ''<■ pi'oscnt '« them to office and ■i one who ' of pub. " public c'l^/eman ■) sJiould "DP with ''ccn in ! (lining 39 which time not a dollar of public money had come into his possession liy any improper mcuns ; and, if such fiould be proved against him, he pledged himself to resign liis seat in Parlia- ment and retire from public life for over. The hon. member for South NValerloo (Mr. Young) deprecated the introduction of stale, expUxled charges into the debate; but what would ho say. when a Minister of the Crown who was charged in an open and straightfor- ward manner, and on broad public grounds, with hiving improperly and illegally obtained public moneys, had levived the stale Picton Railway story, which originate(' in 1865, was subjected to a close examination in the Nova Scotia House of Assembly, and settled. The hon. member had road Mr. Archi- bald's speech as evidence against him (Mr. Tuppor) of corruption. He would like to know whether the hon. the First Minister, ten years hence, would b« willing to accept the sjieeches delivered b> the Opposition at the present time, as suf- ficient evidence of corruption ? And yet that was the only evidonce which the hon. the Minister of Militia ])os- sessed in support of those old, stale, ex !)1 oiled railway slanders. Not only so, >ut he had the handwriting of Mr. Archibald, the Lieut.-Governorof Xova Scotia, before him, stating that ho never implied that he (Mr. Tapper) had lieen guilty of corrni)ti(»ii. or thought of making any such charge. The hon. gentleman hud said that out of that railway contract soni(M)nc hail suddenly risen from a state of pau- perism to that of a full-blown millitm- aire. If that was intcndeil to refe:* to him, it did not apjily. At whom. th(Mi. was the blow aimed'/ [t was aimed at Mr. Fleming, who, no doubt, made money out of the contract, but made it fairly and legitimately. Mr. JONKS: He was not the only one. Mr. TUPPRR said the I^on. gentle- man knew that the term used had no more npplication to him than to him- self (.Mr. Jones). Uo had never been in a position to be open to any such insinuation, and he could establish, by iu^t as good evidence, that the hon. the Minister of Militia had grown rich by lobbing his commercial partner, as that hon. gentleman could show that he (Mr. Tapper) had made money out of any improper transactions, or bj' im- proper means. Yet ho had dared, in the presence of the House, to bring forward such a charge, which was not only without a shadow of foundation, but which, if it reflected on anj' one, reflected on one of the highest, most respectable, and most respected (officials to be found in the public service of Canada. That hon. gentleman kmw that the contract with Mr. P'leming was drawn by the Hon. VV. A. Henry, since appointed to the Supreme Court by the Government of which he wasnowamembcr,and thatl>y the concurienceofhim.*elfand his parly. Yet that hon. gentleman, who was his colleague in the Nova Scotia Govern- ment, who had ('rawn the contract and had defended it on the floor of the TiOgislatuiv as one eminen"Jy in il'e public interest, without any evidence cxcej>t the criticism which the leader of the Oi)position, Mr. Archibald, considered it was bis duty to make, w.'is tins assailed by the MinistcrofMililia. That was the only evidence theh m. gentleman wasableto offer to the Hou-c. Why was it that a Minister of the Crown should demean himself by bringing forward an old story, an exploded charge, which was without a shadow of louiidation ":' It was bccau-e the hon. goni Ionian, when attacked, not on private but on broad public grounds, as every iiulepondcnt member had a right to attack any hi)n. gentleman in the position occupiwl by the Minister of Militia, bad no defence t(» otfor in ju^tilication of hi.s position, and was obliged to occupy tho time ol the llou.so— us he had that ()( bis constituents— by dealing with old «]Ucstioiis. He brought the I'ictou Railway (juestion up in IST'i. ovoi- bis own signatuic, and he received bis reply. The result was that, instead of being returned to Purliamenr, ho was loft at homo and the man whom he had assailed was sustained by two members elected for the county of Halifax, and every representative of the Province, with one exce|)t ion. That ought to have taught him a lesson. In regard to the Spring Hill Minos, lichnd already explained to tho liou.-o that W' Orcloi- in p ofto« ,w ., J''"M.v. H(>„t to (he # ""'OS u^vav who^ ;, '^^ '"'^1 »>een .i,00( , f "^ "ot a ; 1^, ho, Uwassai-i, nit Iviiow ,■.,)„,. ./"*; 'J<>'i>*e. J/o dfn '"-'^. and a mn,-.i "''"'*' <'f Il-ii; «*«"Ji'<^'a„/'^;;f/-'^u,chi,:j;- wa« worth 't ;i "• ''^^ /amily.^ i the ?.'""■ ^'«"^i''«'. n ;."'l"""^"*'' testimony ^r- ,,,>'•«'. ifr. Bia4^, *^ft or the hon ' ^,7„^ «'-"'ta.. fi,,'^ : 3«t undertake to'sly 'r!'";^ho ^ould tie ca«e. Mr. lii^l ll^^^^'» Wa« not "My n ■ 1 ■ "•' attacks ut^n" il'"' r A'l^'- tl.o rPD-.«»«i mat 1 ric(. v(.,i ,„, •■ "- '" June. r^:^''^-C:^^ir&!'on.W.^v....t,.at "t'loriziiiK woj'o met (,,. ,,, 1! , '' points i-ii\»,) ^;;!^f'-^^'S.;'i'::;,.^v'i...:;!;;:; "''••'•■"•^'oam.M.i ■ "^'-''^'loxpoMd- ^'^'^'^P, and one ' '; l'^^' ''> o-V/'/oro, a '-oven per ce, !''"^;»'-« "fdividir concor„iM,,w,;';, ^"^"'^"^'I'on oi' I8«5 '-'Jac.e%"J;S,t-f«-.a;te,.7t '"'•'nication win, v,m 'Jll' ^o-v in En,- ; «nf( r ttcconJi,M,|y «'•'«''.'■'' I ha,J ae. ';"<■'' to cunvi'v tj ^P'anation ,,a, «t ";:,'^/'°" ^'"' "o^ I l.ave been tJ.e '^'1 abiiHo, '•V trii/y, '• «• ^i. Black." "t 'lis oir^,. f,, ,'"^';^''- '"• /i.Mj "le Govei-n- '" !'''W•.•t^ju.st "" '•••(ised ^Ji« Clm-k ■^'■•" "I'dio ''.V 'U.-o •n iu.- J.ad > iu'io aid '">' irijo. ^<^<-kr..l, if "notliin/r "i'py lo a.soij (he 'iviclii,^ •''" |);w(; I *-' ■ '■ 180-5, "tec it iJuture 41 >iiit )f III. (I of Nova Scotia nor unywheio oUo, wus any per>on found to way a word. But til" lion, goiilleman (Mr. Jones) liiid not thoiifj;ht it botioatli him, or rather he thought that the hon. gentleman did ihink it beneath him, to bring thJH charge ; but ho hard was the lion, gen- tlc'inon pressed that ho (Mr. .Jotioh) hud notliing else to do, and had no reusoiiH lor ati.sailing him the other night on public grounds, except to t'iill bacU upon that old and stale slander as a means of vindication. The hon. gentleman .slid that another ch:irge ol his was that ho (Mr, Jones) had lornierl}- iieted with tlio Conserva- tive parly. Ho had mentioned to the Ilun-e ihai the on!}- qualitication, sav- ing tho ability the lion, gentleman had sh'iwii in gotling public money out of the T.oahury contiary to law, the hon. gcntk-muii po-ssesscd for sitting in the Jiercrin (iovornment, was the fact that, whc'U the gieat (pieslion of the Union ot the.se Provinces was taken iij), the hon gentleman bad deserted him (Mr. Tu|i|.ci) and gone into the ranks of the Aiiti-L'ni, ami had shown the most bitter and undying hostility to that measure Thi.s was the hon. gentle- m;in'> sole qu:iliticalion for sitting alongside ol' the hon. member for Lainblon, whose giejit claim upon the jieople of this eotinlry »).\isted in the iac. iliai ho (.Ml'. M icken/.ie"^ had taken )iai I HI bringing about the Union of these Provinces. Tne hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones) said tlii- measure hatl been lnipro|)iTly carrioii ; lliat it ought to have lieoii abandoiiod, and that no man should liavo been sustained who had cari'ied that measure in the way ho (Mr. Tapper) did. lie was gliid to bo able to say tliat the hon. gentleman ousidered this a minor poini loo, bee.iu this did not jirevent the hon. gentleman sitting alongside of the hon. nienibei- lor Lambton, the PrinK' Vlini.-ter, who stood in precisely the same position as himself (Mi. Tupj.icr). Those who took the trouble to lead the Confetleiation l)«bates which took place at (Quebec would tind thai, when exactly such a rosoljtion was proposed as the hon. the Minister of Mditia maintained ought to have been cariiod, to send this question of Union to the |iolls, the Hon. George Brown came to the front, and, in a most able and vigorous manner, showed the utter uncon.slitiitionality of the whole proposition. When his hon. friend the memlier for CJhateauguay (Mr. Holton) was fighting for just such a resolution, the Hon. (xeorge Brown took up the cud- gels and slated that to pass a mea- sure to be submitted to the people would have been a 8iini)lo insult to the Crown ; and who sustained the Hon. George Brown in that position? Why the hon. member for Lambton, and they had the names on the Journals of the Parliament of Canada of those who voted down the resolution for which the hon. the Minister of Militia said ho (Mr Jones) was justified in desert- ing him (Mr, Tupper), and 'that this was an act which ought to have driven him (Mr. Tupper) out of public life and kept him out f it for 'iver. Ho supposed the hon. gentleman had also tli.scovered that this was a minor point and that, when a ]K)rtfolio was ottered him, this was no reason why he should not sit down under the wing of the hon. member for Lambton, enjoy- ing the sweets of office. No act in the public life of the hon. member tor Lambton reflecied more credit on him (Mr. Mackenzie), in his Judgment, than the stand which ho took on that occa- sion. On constituticmal grounds both the hon. the Premier and the Hon. George Brown were not only justified, but they were more than justified, in resist- ing the invasion then attempted on British institutions, one which formed no part of our Constitution, and which could not be carried out except at very great inconvenience ; and, in fact, he knew of no mode by which the public sentiment could have been expressed on that question. Ho was proud to say that that great organ ot public opinion, the Glubr, on that occasion, and, sub- sequently, when he was fighting this battle, did not do as did the hon. the Minister of the Interior, and the hon. the Minister of Militia now — treat this as a ground why he (Mr. Tupper) was undeserving of public confidence. The Globe, had also done him the great honour of reproducing the argument he had made in England, and had called I he attention of the people of Canada to the fact that the evioenco and constitutional authorities mmmm'% 1 1 h i\ ''^^'^a^' cited m,,s. f ^ question m u, T^ ^^c S'Utlo i\ \, ''^ t'lo poo, /p Tx>' '''at thoholtilif ''l*-'"* •"«"»•" 'o Sari /k"^''"''' <«'»■« the Govern,,, of Crs S/^'-"'^''-''Aeoi "«"' the attention nVn . ^v«"tod to 'he rnterior to w. ''« ^^'''isfer o? ■ ,""PPe<), With ul'-..'r''^''he,- /,o ^,;j''' ' -'>'"'ttiEjt'iX'e:%^"''S '*^N- but ,f V"''l P<"'-''«ps a voar «''''"' the datl A ir ^' '^"^'""e *vas 'MTan.reU,j",,r'^''"^e'' the matter puhiishod to the ,1 '^ "'''^>'«'hi..i, ;«; .^« I'«-I'le at the po s .„', 't' '' 'o the matlor in ih' ' "° ^^^^'■^ .'n.^iipw oflJants. ''''^''*-''«^^''ofthe,.o;„t^? Mr. JOX/.'s • \r e/ectionoraft.;." "' ^''«' ho/,.,,, the Ara. TQpppi. "."'•^'"edthovvlww:":'. '^^^'"^ h..r„ro. ,| ill — jnaclaverp^ "Peech which th„f ^"'^'^ S^'ot'a T) ? i^'"'^''^^' «>nfo,Gn l'\^"«'i "'at. at fj^n •eji "'^ "P- When ,h^ ^ tho ma tor Moro theto^jrnofWind. ^f hathon.^,,,,,,^. ^^''t'lp and c-„ lied f hwJi- him deliver ■i"08iio»oflT,,i„n, ''a^'H.nrj It wirhout '«"P'«--»tthep,;;? *^"- Hon- Jong , ^'I'lV^ " year not bo positive . "A'uafod ufUr for Iho matter •y, iml hv. Av-as ^PO'nf|..os,iou , '", '-^''i''- it to '0 inul :iv' 'ic bad ''■•"lafion. ■•t. 'It (be P'e-ent "t'(bi-m i"ii(.o,od y ''iiriit, '"(•/((•(•jr Wlion ho hud concluded liiw address at Windsor, showimr wliy thiw (|Uos- tioii should not bo referred to the peo- ple and why it was strictly ripjht and constitutional for the Lo^ialuturc lo deal with it, the lion, member for Hants moved a vote of ihankw, and he believed it passed unanimously. This was the means he had of learninfj how verv hostile the people of NoVa Scotia were to that measure. The hon. member for Hants was unmindful of the wise and iudicious suggestionn of the hon. member for South Waterloo, which commended themselves to the mind of every hon. gentleman in the House, that nothing could more degra le this Legislature than the bringing up of old, stale, and exhausted charges, which had ceased to have any active or oper- ating inHuence on the public mind. The hon. gentleman could not have heard that statement ol the hon. mem- ber for South Waterloo, or he would not have read old editorials from the British Colonist newspapei-, written fifteen yeais ago. with lelaiion to thai or any other subject; but ho had read there some strong language which was used in reference to the cou'-se Loki Mulgr.ive had pursued wlici. (Jovernor of Nova Scotia. He must remind the hon. member for Hants that at the time he was uning a two-edged .swoid, for every blow that he struck him (.Mr. Tupperi cut the Minislei- of Militia too. Down to the time that Jiidirc Johnston letired from public life, and long after, he (Mi-. Jones) was :; staunch Conservative tigbting the battle with Judge Johnston and him-elt ; and he was bound to say he (Mr. Tiij)- por) did not now forget the hearty, enthusiasticandvigoroussupportwiiicli that hon. gentleman had given tiuiii against the old Reform party of Nova Scotia. Judge Johnston, at the \*ivy time that language was used, was b ail- ing the party, and Judge Johnston and himself were acting together with tliu hearty support of the hon. member lor Halifax. Mr. JONES: No. MilTUPPKR: No? Would the iK.n | gentleman give hinia tittloof oviilenco to show that he (Mr. Jones) ever \ entertained the slightest diiroreiico "f j opinion with them ? None such ' existed, and the hon. gcnllisman knew perll'ctly well that he took strong ground with Judge John- ston, the then loader of the Oppo- sition, and himself, with relation tothe Legi^latllre of .Nova Scotia. They bad declined Lord Mulgrave's invi- tation to f'o, as members of the House of AsBomlily, to the dockyard to receive His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales; but they went there, and were among the fir.st- Judge Johnston and himself^ — to be presented to and to greet His Royal Highness. They were pi-e- sented by Lord Mulgrave when His Uoyal Highn ss fust lamled from the flag-shij) at the dockyard at Halifax. And not only so, but they had attended the levee given at (!ov«»rnmont House, and wore presented to His Royal High- ness again by Lord Mulgrave. They had dined at Lord Mulgrave's table with His Royal Highness, and he had the honour ol'escorting His Royal High- ness to the point where he left the Province, ami yet these hon. gentlemen endeavoiuwl to make cajiital out of that old. worn-out slander by reviving and bringing it up here on the [iresent occasion. The hon. gentleman was made to say in the (Ihihe, with the astuteness of the ])erson who revised the speech for bini, or tlirough his own correction, when ho found thai what he had .■•aid could not be ,^uslaincd : " After rcfi'rririi: to \)v. T upjicr's irii.sreprts- sontaiio'iR with le^iivil to the winter port, the speaker sai>l tliitt the lion. p'liiU'inan knew his Htutcnicnt wouM he looked upon with HiiNpicioii." This was not what the h(m. gentleman bad said at all. It was vei-y convoiri'iit to leave out what (he boll. gentleman bad said, and why? Heca ISO tlio statement which the hon. gentleman had made, with reference to the winter ])oit of Halifax, was nttorl}- at variance with the facts, as be won I I show. But this was not the ca->e wiib the Fit'i: Press, which bad not the advantage of having this p.'irt specially levise.l by the hon. the Minis- ter of .Militia, or someotbor kind band, and what did it say? It eontnlnoil what wu'i omitted from the Globe's lepoit, which was this: — "With rcfrai'd totho winter port quo«tion he mid. that the hon, ^'tUlcuiaa had not "i! H 1l 1 1 ^'£S'£!'i^:Vt£r:-M'™« llim ; ill "- .YMuoj- j,o,.( ,,„os,;, ""'" fiat I '>'''i(os (.,,,,1,1 i, ~ V « '""" tho Vnitacl /'•'■^ H lit(/e by s, ", ' ','!"' T"ali/ie,| ,' llu^^U A Ian '. , T"'" "P with st ;?* 'H. ;viMler port /',''"' '"'•""■"" 80 ,,.„! bee,, „ , " '■;. Iv. N ,no(,s ,?^*'" >vo„id not lovL' i" -'^""^•• ^/^'^"•'notbeen :,.7,'V''"^'-'''^^'. ^'•-o-n,>tvvit|,.s,.,n,| ,,''*' '"■^"^'. ^'"'tT- ; means wore nsotif / "" othor ^-t'itcnont bo ba.l U.0 '" """'o '''at |««n;^ol(/odtu.o -0.,,'''.'; '""fU.. bud ff'''''acl boon soiUo I f^r- "■''''' "^'M "''■«^i"-^"'iv.. or ,.'""/'"' ''a),av ' "^hv'nor sucb' ;','*■*• ''""' as,...,,,;,, «'''--'uv,:n:i:,;;^^?''^'-'-i''bo<-.;'! r'7«'-^n>mKi •.4«; ;''!•'■•'• I -^1,0,. jfotlancl,sotbat bo ;i i ^'"'^■^'•■^''vV/i ;">o cloo/.ion Of tb« r '1"^-'^""" lar nemancJrboraiCu- r ''^'"^■^"'•''■ f «'n wbal, wero i, 'K"''^'«••-»•'dus- ,^r^'lgos, and /^\a;??>'«"n'«toAf,. ^''^'" >^-. Bb.oJr iu ; "' ''•"* i-ate. "'0 lion, the Fii-s t/Mim- ''"■'■"'^^"^'■th , /^"t -^f.'. Vail vvas on-^,''''^'!W>«'"ted, ';;''>"'i how tfu n. ^f, ""-'^ ""<^ ho ;.';■''''*:'•••''''' ^ventba.kw/l7 ''«"• ^ho '^'"■■'< "'«.>„ (onnd thfi hV 'l.^"""- l^r. o,,„„„„,J^^«bdtno yearn ago f.'ll,nv..-_ '''• •""■•^ 'otter waa a« :)r. I "^ouraiaiUi/ulJy, "^•^'^«wiute;poAV^'*^'>"theque«tiou ^"^^li. H.?. 46 "" '■<" Iio had said PPly (o Oan«dian ■''•••ni tho (Jnitod "» «i t'lat rate ''•«. iip with .Sir »i 'nterviewwith ';«tor. What tho ' lUflffo when he 7'' 'e/t tho hon. ■'ytiiMappointod. 1 "nnd and ho ter stood. Hq t.'io hon. tho with a moHsaee »t Mr. Uack7a. m a;r/iin. li(r '"• the Promie; »"'! qiiitoadif- ohtainod from • Muckon/,ip) a '•oad, to Hhow "' ft winter two yearM ago ' "H not .settled " (Mr. Jones'* ombortbr (ao 'otter waa au 'lBiicWorks, "ber, 1877. >ur converaa- possil.ility of uloiiml Ifai/. li^lirax, 1 ,1ft. 'iinent have iiade by ycu 'tS and will Htiperinten- 'l»e aiibject ^iinient arc ',"« to en- '>at can bo imte clear, •e. that the sterhng bu(ih€^ pa.v run- be given ■ tHking, ■ wliich, ur.selvcH ■natter KVZIK, lo.stioa Mb. TUPI'KU: Vos. If the hon. gentleman would iciul the Mornimj Uhronielc of'llalirax. he would «ee tiiat iioUiing wasdisciis.-iid niore during Hk' election tlian thi^ ciiu'sijon. This was the j)rinci|)al wn in the very worst way in order to c;irry an election, it was ditticiilt to .^eo how this power could be more abii-ed. This question was used act i vol}' in the canvass on behalf of tho hon. gentleman (Mr. .loiies), tho .Ministerial candidate; and on bis elec- tion was made to depend the favoiirablo decision of the tiovernment in tho matt(!r. Never had tlieie been, in hi.s jiidgnient. a more si'aiidalou> abuse of tin- power of the (.'rown ; nor could this power be Used in a woi-m- iiiamui' than hail been the case in connection with this election. Some H..\. MK.\1BERS: Hear, hear. Mil. TUIM'ER said hon. gentlemen might say •• hear, hear.'' but this con- ferred an eiiorinous advantage on tho Ministerial candidate. The lion, gen- tleman (.Mr. .lone>j said Mr. Black came back from Ottawa perfectly sal i.s- ficd, and so reported to the Board ; but ho woiilil tell tho .House what was done. Mr. Black returned and made a re])orl as friendly and favourable as be coiiM ; and what was tiie result ? Why, the lion, gentleman, then tho Ministerial candidate, induced him (.Mr. Black) to hold over tho report until the hon. the First Minister cinild be a])i)lied to, in or''er to obtain something more favourable to settle the election. But ho would read what was added to his report afterwards, and they would see what was going on. The hon. gentleman was proving to bis iMuisiitu- ents the value ot having a frieiul at court. This WIS held over for two or three days until the hon. the Pi'iino Minister could be again ap]iroaclicil, and an arrangeiiieul made that would se<'ure the Halifax election : — " SirPl.E\IKNT.\BV UEPOliT. " I licg luiivi' to rciidfr the followiiiir Siqi- |ileiiu'i]tiiry Report : — " Tiial now, .IS, cinic my ivtiirii, your Coinniittop lias (i;j:i'i'Cii to nii.u(' the t'nticf- to pay tor the balancp of cvpense nt' liiiiii'ing i^raiii ; anil as a late toli'<.;i'am to inc iVoui Mr. Mackenzie has witlidrjuvn all ro^lrietions H ^7"' "■',.. will h, lu-uS'j'T'""''^ '■•■'^' <">■ "•'""• J5, 1876." "'"""•■•'• i'. HI.A.K. ^'-'-^;l;:':^;tr''^'^r- ^^p'-•e.- ■'''^' '"''^i^'U • and P •'•''•'\''^"'"'«'-' 48 tol .-^■""''man, with /^''- "'i>< hon. ''''•''■f'i JlisIIo.lSO.MHl " , "V "" "'• "'""'-"'"t mi i; """'*-' "''•'^•^ta.o. •'"^^^"■"" u-<.s ;. , * rr'"'-""'t '1,0 •;?••"•>• '•'«'''"' . o, ,"""'r'' '"'''^'H f»'''"x to oloo 'h „ ';?/'':<•""•> "f '''«»m.so„,vhvh„S' '''■'^''.'^^''"''^ '•<"P>i-.sont tlioMil). f I. >, '^^'^' t'nno to ;;;''rr-''" ''--r'^^i-' thorn ':"'^' ^Ht l,o,n.,l to,o. ■ ^'.''?P<'''>' tlioi-o- ^'*""tioma,,s,loI Zl?,?''''"'^''<'''on. /v-c),n,o,„iv" |,„, : >vo,J,,ho,,,s irom ''O'ii.CMiion." .. ^u,,' „' f'V'"''t answer '''•^•^'•'in.o.mnoii.n'^'^ "«oc.a„so '"'>vc.l (honi." ^^"vo.n,„or,t re '^^^ thou: ' ?rr"'^'"'''^ ^":"- ^"-"tloman T ,;V''"' ^^■'■"' Uio •''.»'"^-t issue with h ,n r. -V"»'^'nia„ ;;,'''''-^'''""s„,ii,,,,;';;^'^/hfonoo/-tho "«"-~"-as (hat ho '^"•'^ tho as.,,-. ;"7''""'"J '^'movod the wo,.,: , ''''^•^^'"'aont, ff';;::'-Ti.o«.„^S^;;H;siw.„nieh: Voto ao'ainst /> rn'*'^ ''"'«' ail ovoi-, *"'"• Ho .stated in I h'-^'"- '"'^ '-loo- {ye«-. morni.J noon ™, '■'"*' '"" "'« Kf "^"-'-'St (TfT'^'■••''- n:t<^p,•o,n^,sod that if, I, ^'^^'- i"J>PeiO '^"^'<. ^W, ,.c.-tho ! u"""''^ ^^^'^"^ thon, "«'-thoo();o,. ,,,^\ ;^>''^'«ta,on,ont ^«''tle,nanwa.H, t. r?^ hou. ^tatemonts. f /' ^''.^ '" '" ''""i Ihoso '^"i'p-ohadni^io^- ;;rt'';'^^^'^ lui. misNtaloniont •^'"•P-^-'"AI.„„.ton."'"^'"""tl'owork. -Mk. TirppKr, . , , •/"^•■slion. If ;,' "' ""t";<"ly d,tfb,.c It r^«-t/.ei;.,o,'; ^'«""«"'en would ^*i^^ niinutoH, ho ;,„; l""'C"C'o for a "^"'atia,t.''J,.;' '' ^^'>»vinoo them '« ■^•■"■-a(edatAIon. ,7 r '■?";' ■^'"'"'d bo ^"'Htonwas nan h}"" ■'^«'ection of momhorofiho -^ ^*'^^''° ''o was a -^tevido,.oo';;/,7;7-'t;andtho If: Nt». IT ■' <'-'"ii JficJ.ii,M,u| "'"'p-^ from r.'ich- » "iiiKircJ niilci "it! ul,rfn/-v „f (*'''■• Jouom) "<)llliM.l,'fOs|lo»V •" '' t'o. tin.io U> «"wl iijioi, thorn ' (•^f. Tuj,,)oi-) ;>WvNh(.j,s from iiipporj tiioi-o- "'"'i tiio q„e.s. ""'^''''W tho '"« ()/■ tlio Jion. ovvers : " Why 'iksliops ironi C'lnnotiuiNwor "ccausi) tho •oinovc thorn; \'«niMioiit ro- !"■'< tlio u'orlc- ''y ayiii{; •' You lio mo ti)(> i^'icai Iionoiir," i(>ok tlio <'ot,iplimont mo-l Uindiy. :ind ad- mitted that it was hisarran<:onicrit, and that ho hod bconabliWo do it for thorn. That settled tho jciiu ol" how thai caro to be ohoson as tho "ontral station. When Mr. (!arvoll, who was mannpjer of railways in Nova Scotia and New Brnnswiok, told him (Mr. Tuppor) that ho luid insi motions from Mr. Brydgos to tako tho moasuro- mcnt of tho maohiiiory at II ■•ill fax, in tho worksiiops, iio (Mr. Tuppor) told him not to moasuro a machino at his ]>oril. JIo said tho law oontined tho Intcroolonial t'ommissionors to tho lino from Hivioro du Loup to Truro; thoy could do nothint!; but between those two points without tho apjjroval of tho Government : thoy could not put a loot outside ot that district, iind tho pol- icy of thottovernmont was to maintain the repairing shops at Kiohmond in tho future as then, and not a particle of machinery should bo taken out of these sho|)s, nor shouUl the work be taken away from them. Ho would put it to the gentlemen in this l[ou.se who knew something about railway management whether it was a wise policy or an unwise one that, in a rail- way of t>00 miles in length, tho work- shops and repairing shops wore to bo found in one j)oint. Ho maintained in tho interest of tho country that th true policy was to maintain repairin shops at Kichmond, because it was to bo a groat terminal station of a groat Dominion lino of railway; and instead of taking all tho machines and all the locomotives that wore required for repairs, and the working of 250 miles of railways in Nova Scotia away over the whole of this road to Moiuton, the true policy, and the most economical policy, in the interest of the countiy — whilo,of cour.se, thoy required repairing shops at iVIoncton, for 100 miles of railway from St. .lohn on one .side to Shodiac on the other, and for the line to Eivioro du Loup — was to maintain the workshops at flalifax foi' the pur- pose of dealing with the work that roquircil to be done for the lines in Nova Scotia. That was th(^ statement ho made; what he diil was this — he did not say thai, if i lie hon. geiifloinan was dcf'oaled, Ihry wi>uld Ui brnught bai-k ; he said lln' -i.-iini'ti ivi'riiniiiit thai iiiaintaini'd iIm- jiDiii'y of of keeping ihe Wi»rk-liiip> at liiihmond Would ho<»n be in power again, and when they were in power, I In- policy thoy liiul in iIk^ pa-^t 'vouM bo tho policy o( the pre^enl, and the W(M"k- shops would go back to liichnioiid. Ho made no reference to wheliicr tho hon. gentleman was elected or whether ho was defeated; ho stateil it a-t a questinn 'jf public policy, and siatcil it in reply to the grouiKlless aitcir-iaiions that had been made that I he late (lov- ornmcnt had been the ])!irties who carried away the shops tVum liieli- mond. Now, he would give iliotn evi- dence that would satisfy the House, and the most credulous member of it, — even the hon. member lor North York (Mr. Dymond,) who could not wait with patience for tho cNplanation — he woulii undertake to ^utisty that hon. gentleman himself, that the state- ment ho Made was strictly correct, and that tho statement of the lion, tho Minister of Militia had not a jot or tittle of foundation in fact. Ho would read a letter written by W. Johnson, who was locomotive super- intendent and machinist at ijichmond, while the late Government were in power, and was as ahh^ a man in that department as could he found in tho country. He would not read Mr.Taylor's letter, although it was contirniatory of tho same thing, as his tVietul tho hon. member for Charlevoix (Mr. Langovin) knew ; ho would read, a^ it was shorter, Mr. .lolins0( It nniovi'd, The puv HJlWtS will provr tliiwc till t-, *' Voiiiv, •' \V. Joii.N-iiix. " liUtc Muster Mucliini-t, I.C.ll." Ho jisUod tlio lion, tlio .Miiiistor oC Militiii if tliiu r«Iioiil(l not lit' satif^t'uc- tor\ to any nu'inbcf oC the Hoiim'. Thcfo was till' locotiiotivi" MijMM-iii- ti'iKli'iit'Mlcchii'alioii lliat iiothin;;' wa> I'omnved. llo winiKl yivo tlio lion. ;,a'ii- tloman rtiitlior intoriimtinii. Tlio lion. All. Moliolan was oiio of thot'otnmis- hiontMs 1)1' ilio liiloiciiluiiial Haiiwaj' . ho wiisllio ('i)intiiissi(Mior io]ii'i-^oiitiii!; Nova .'>oolia. \U' luldirssed a lolK'r, ovop his own signattii-o, to Iho |iiihli(' iiajiofs which ho (Mr. 'rii|.iior) hold in liiM hand. In this h'ttci'. wiiich was dated the --'Uli ol .laiuiaiy, 1^78, Mr. .Mcliolan said ; •'I liiivf (iiily to mill, ill pistirc to Kr. Tii|iiiir, tliiit wlii'M ii ni('inl)ir nl' tin' Govirii- niciit, lie lopeiitiilly -iiiil to nu', u-< Cuinniis- siolU'i- ul tlif IiitiTcoloiiiiil, tl.iit till' Uicli- liiuiul Wiil'lvr-liDiH hIioIiM not lie rt'liio\(il; that, .■'itniitoil at a teriiiiaul point, lie liclicvcil tlioy hIkiiiIiI Ih' iMilarjic , not only in ilio intt'!'>l-i ul' tliC ruuil, to iMcct tlif '.'iiAMiii,' trutlict, liiit that Nnva Srotia iiiij^lit lia\r Iht fair simri' ol tlic work, " 1 iiiii youi's', very truly, "A.W. .McLkian." So nuicli for the losliinoiiy <>1' Mf. MfliV'liin. li' that w:is not siitlicicnl. ho liiul k'stimony that lio tliuiii^dit wotild set the nniltcr ;il icst til uiu'e and ti)i' ovcM'. Tho late (Iowm'iiiikmiI went 'lilt ol'piAvci' in Xi)vcMiil)or, 187."{, and oiuMit' tho liist acts llnit tho lion, the Minister of I'lihiic Works did was to cominission Mr. Hiydufcsto oxaniiin^ the Intoriolonial Railway tind rojtorl upon il.H whoK' cotKlilion. ilo (.Mr. Tup])(!f) hold llio roporl of .Mr. Brydi;(!s in his hiind. laid upon tho lahloi'f the Iloiiso hy the .Minister of I'lihlic Works. Wl'iai did ho, to them'.'' That tht; workshops htid hooii reinovod to Moti'ion '.^ .No: iu' .--ponl two jiaijes of the roporl in trying' to convince the Prime Miiiisler that they oti^Hit to h(' removed. Tiiis report wtis liated the '.^(itli ot .(line. 1S7I— a loniz; period al'loi'ili' 'alo {JowriiMU'iil. had I .or : and lie wmill (pioto lirietly I'rmn \nniv i5 of Ihiw (lociimeiil. which was mainly takofi up with an olaliciale argument to prove to tin' .Minister ot Pnlilie Works why he hImpiiM lake the workshops away horn Ki( hinond and move them to Monelon. Ilo thoti^'ht that wcmki hjitisfy his innoduloiis friend, who lie^iin to droop a little tdroiidy. Mil. DYMONI): I am getting sleepy. iMu. Tl'PI'KU i.idceediMl to read I'rom the report of Mr. Mrydges. That gentleman on pago 45, used thcHe woiils : "Tiiert' in im neias-iitv ol' having repair ."hops lit moil' than one place."' And on page liU : " Till' I'xiHtinn n-iiiiir .shop nt Uiehinond, acionliiij; to my jtiilj.MiK'nt, i8 unncce'^.-ary, iiiid is I'aii.^iii^ a iiieless t'.\p, nilitari' ol money." lie also said : " 'J'lic ilcj.ot at UieliiMiiiiil. ill chilli the repair shop in .-itaiiteil, i.- of e.xeccilinijly siii.'ill iliiiii.'ii.<'ioii-', and owiii;.' to t lie nature of tlic '/iMinid, I'oasisliii}: i,il liurd rock, it eaniiut Ijc iinri'iiscd, even at u very e.vlravii- jjjiinl (1111 lay indeed.'' On tho rate of wages, ht said: " 1 liaM'irone cmefillly over the piiV .• InctH at Kirhiiioiid and at Muai'tnii. and 1 ihid that the rale ol \v:i;.'('s fur na'tlmnies aeliiiilly paid at ^^)a(■tllll is dei'idedly Inner llian at I'ieh- nioiiil, and the loreiiian ul Uieliinnnd told me that hi- men wire eoiiiplainiiii; and ihreHlel)- iiii: not lo reinaiii iinh'ss tlii'ir wa^^e." wiw inireased." lie then gave the prices as tendered fni- material, and said ; " On the wliule, therefore, I have id doalit til. I', tiie ei(.«t uf WDikiii;;, hoth us re^rurds the prill' of the iiiMierial ^-applied and the iahour employed in workiiii; it up. is eheaper at Moaetun than at IIalila.\."' On the same page ( t7), he said ; " The ineehanieal superintendent, .Mr. Whitney , althouirh at the Iliad ot the entire deijartiiieiit, hu-i apparently v. ry lilth, il any I control uver whui is ;:oin;r on at Ricliiiiuai I I and i.tl - '■ ■"■ ■'■ ■■"■• '■■• lad ..ler |ilae.'.-.. There are prailii'iilly two siiperiiitendeiits al work." lie trusted liiat thai was a siiliicieiit answer to the linii. inonilMi' lor Hants (Mr.tiuiidge / who wanted to jiiiow why they hiiill tlie \vork-.lio]is at Moiielnn. .Mr. Urydgos told tiiom they weie in- Icndcd \'i>f the pii;'pi).-e of repairing inaeJiinoi'N Ul ihc inad In Xeweasllo j^iaac^ti*^ nsJ&.-'/*i;i' M.T. piiKc 45 of ihiK N mainly taUcn ii|i iciitiictit t(i provf iMic Workn wliy woiI-iiiH) at Richmond, lit, iH aiii](c(-.-;irv, U't^^ i'X|.. ii'liiuic ot lunrj, ill v\hi.li the I is tit f.\i'<'n|iii;r|^ >*viii;.' to tlic i.Miiirc u' I'l liunl link, it I lit 11 M'lv cxtriiva- lu •-.•lid : a Millicii'iit iiiIm 1- lur Hauls d III liiiow wliy ps a( Moiiclon. I hi'V Were ill- iif rti)i:iii'int^ 4t itnd up to Rividro du Loiip. I li t rii>tod that would bo satixfaotun . An Hon. MBMBKH; Whtit is iIk (hito of that ? Mb. TUPPER Haui tho daio \va> the iiOthof June, 1874. Tlir ian- (li.vnn ment went out in November, 1873. The hon. gontloman could put two and two together. Mr. BrydgoH said farther .• " The exiiting reuair shop at Richmond, accordioK to my judgment, la unnecessary, and is causing a useless expenditure of money." He wanted to know, if tho late(rovern- mont had removed tbeHe worHhops, how tliey could bo causing an unnoouH- Hury expenditure of money 8fven months aflter they went out of power. After sending in this report to the Minister of Public Works, and this urgent appeal to remove tho ropairinju; shops from llichmond to Moncton, the hon tho First Minister gave him his instructions, and ordered him to remove them ; and in a supplementary report, dated tho 18th day of August, 1874, Mr. Brydges said : — " I will now proceed to state the course whiuh I pursued in carrying out your in- structions: — " The foUowiDg resignations have been sent in, viz.. Win. McGann, paymaster, whose health has heen had for come time, and who has consequently been anxious to be relieved ol his duties. Mr. George Taylor, the late Assistant Sujperinteiident and Freight Agent, whose office has been abolished. *' The following dismissals have takea place in pursuance of your instructions : — "Mr. nyan. Cashier. " Mr Sadler, General Storekeepar. "Mr- Clark, Storekeeper, Richmond. " Mr. Gray, Assistant Engineer. " Mr. St. George. " Mr. Wm. Johnstone, Mechanical Super- intendent at Richmond. " Mr. Blanchard, Fuel Agent. " Mr. Foster, Station Master, Point du Ghdne. " Mr. Foot, Ticket Agent, Richmond. "Mr. Faulkner, Trackmaster, Truro." Ho trusted that that satisfied the House, that the statement he made in Halifax, that ho had nevor removed the workshops, and the late Govern- ment never removed them, — that, when they went out of power these shops wore in full blast, and doing more work than had ever been done before, — was correct. Ho now cuniis to the lastiuid iii>)«l ini|H>rtunt question of all, tlu! i-.Hii(« (til tiio ({iiestion of fact, in relation lo iIm* flag, and he thought he would li» idije lo give the IIoiiho unite as coin lii«i\ c ovidenco uimhi that point Us hi- ha t given upon the oth»'rs. An Hon. MK.VlBKll: It is not old. Mk. TUI'I'KK: The hon. gentleman must have lorgotten that, although General Doyle's letter had been in his possession since 1871, ho had never used it, bocaiise it was of no conse- quence to him, and it was of no conse- quence to the countiy,what opinions tho hon. incmln'r for Halifa.x (Mr. .Tones) held, (ienoral Sir Hastings Doyle sent it to hini, not as apvivate letter, hut he setit it Ut him for tho purpose of iiiforiniiig his friends at Ottawa, that it might be known. He sent it to him two years after the transaction h:' ' happened, because he felt it to be noressary, when the hon. gontlemau was coming here, that it should be known. He (Mr. Tuppor) differed from General Dioylo ; he did not think it necessary that it should bo known ; ho was ashamed that it should be known that any man in Nova Scotia had uttered such opinions. But when the militia of this country was handed over to a gentleman who had declared that be would take off his hat and cheer when tho flag was pulled down on Citadel Hill ; to a gentleman who, ac- cording to his own explanation, and the explanation of the ambassador he sent — Ma. .TONES : I sent no amltassa- dor. Mr. TUPPER: Sent no ambassa- dor? Did the hon. gentleman moan to tell him that Mr. Vail would have ventured to toll General Doyle what Mr. Jones meant, unless Mr. Jones had authorized him ? Would he have used Mr. Jones's name without his authority? But what did the Globe report of Mr. Jones's speech say ? It said they might judge of the desperation of tho hon. gentleman when he had to publish that letter at the last moment in Halifax. Ho met the hon. gentleman before three thousand of his constituents in the drill-shad and discussed the question out with hiin. Did he make any allusion to this letter or this question ? WT'^'' ... ,,iaiii,-:^fei£Ufr«..-se^ 1M r T> • l\ ! (( Jlot the loast ; lu'caiij^o the hori. ^ontle- man was sdekirij; to be oleclod as a private member. ]}iit when he found that the geiitloman who bad Ijetin holding hiuch bmgxiagc a> be hod all rhe evening to bis constitiKnUs ; who biul been exciting and oxasperaling thorn against Union with Canada just as bitterly and with as nuicb acrimony as he had done ten years ago; when he found that thnt gentleman bad suddenly ttbanged into u Cabinet Minister, the Minister of Militia in this country, and when be found him giving the lie to the assertion that ho bad ever made •uch statements at all as that be would ebeer when the tlag was baulod down on Citadel Hill, bofolt that itwasright that the Governor-General of this •ountry should know who was tho man that be was making Minister of Militia ; and he felt it right that the Parliament should know, and the people of this country should know, into wnose bands this otfico was committed. He was going to put it to the sober, dispassion- ate judgement, not of gentlemen on bis side of tbo JIousc, — they did not require it, — but bo wjis going to put it to the sober, dispjiesionate judgment of gentlemen opposite, bow this matter stood between tbo hon. tho 3Iinisterol' Militia and binij^elf. They bad, per- liaps, beard the story of a culprit ar- raigned in court for some misdemean- our, and ajiorsonon the jury was asked to stand by him. ' Now, mind," said be, " stand by me and protect me." " ( )b, ycf" was the reply, " I will ])rotect .yon." They found him guilty, and he was Keiitencod hy the.ludge. ' Jle went to his friend and said, "A pretty wa^- 3'ou kept your word; j-on promised to ■^tand by me, and you found me guilty.' "Well," said he, '• how could Tdo an^-- Ihing else '■' J)id yon not hcarall these witnesses swear, in the jnost ponitivo manner, that you were guilty ? When [ found that eveiy man on tbo jury bad oot a doubt about it, bow could I acquit you ; and when the Judge told us there was not the slightest question but what you were guilty ?" Says be, '• You are a fool ; don't j'ou know that all these witnesses were perjured ? Don't you know that all those jurymen were j»re- judiccd, and don't you know that that old tool of a judge didn't knmv what he was talking about?" That was pretty much tbo position of the hon. the Minister of Militia. Everybody was a liar but iiiniself; he said General Doyle was '• lied to" ; he said that to a b(Hly of gentlemen suBtaining him on the Treasury- l»ench«», when he knew that the man who gave (teneral Doyle his information was a man of tho highest standing andcrcdibilitjin this country. Ho asked those who beard tho hon. gentleman read tho speech which was made for him, and which was never uttered Several Hon. MEMBERS : Order. Mr. TUPPBR said ho was speaking of the speech in the newsnaper ; and be said the hon. gentleman Ir. Jones) never did utter it. Ho would prove that to the satisfaction of eveiy mem- ber of this House. Those who beard the hon. tbo Minister of Militia read that speech would look in vain for a woi-d or a sentiment or an illusion in it of the kind that would cause the vener- able Judge Johnston o put on his bat and walk out of the room. What did ho and Chief Justice Young and Mr. Justice Desharres, and other citizens ol" Halifax, leave the room foi', it that was the speech be made 'i Did not every gentleman in the House feel that it was an insult to their understanding to be told tliat that was tho speech ? If tho speech was made that they said was made,cverybody could understand why Judge Johnston and Chief .Justice Youngand.ludge Desbarres, all ofthem men of high character, should instantly leave the room as they did. Mr. Vail told tho Governor that the hon. gentleman did not say all that he intended to say ; why ? Be- cause he was put down by hisses and hooting. The hon. gentleman knew, ami every man of intelligence know, that there was not a line, or a senti- ment, or a word, in tho speech, as given by the lion, gentleman fiom his nows- ])a])er, to account for tho action that took place. Let him go to bis ambas- sador, to the person who went to ex- plain away this speech to General Doyle, and ask him to re(!oncile this speech with tbo statement be made to to General Doyle, that what Mr. Jones said was said in the heat of tho moment. Was there any heat in the speech of the hon. gentleman, oi- unytliing ex- Mition of the hou. a. Everybodywas he »aid Gooeral ; he said that to rtUBtaining him on », when Be knew ive (leneral Doyle iH ft man of the credibility in this those who heard read the speech him, and which IBERS: Order. [ ho was speaking newsnaper ; and eman Ir. Jones) Ho would prove m of every mem- Those who heard sr of Militia read )ok in vain for a or an illusion in it d cauwothevener- o put on his hat room. What did J Vouiiy and Mr. J other citizens ol' )in loi', iitiiut was ji* Did not every Isc feel that it was orstanding to bo speech ? If the at they said was ■ undoi'stand why Chief Justice barres, ail ot'thera ', should instantly thoy did. Mr. pernor that the i not say all say ; why 'f Be- rn by hisses and ;entlonian know, itelligouce know, I line, or a senti- speech, as given n from his nows- • the action that go to his ambas- who went to ex- och to General to re(!oncile this ment ho made to t what Mr. Jones at of the moment, in the Hpcech of ui- anything ox- 51 citiny ? Ni>tal all ; it was as mild, and as tame, and as (|niet as possible. Mr. Vail said that he (Mr. Jones) never in- tended to say what had heen attribnteil to him; that whal ho meant to say wus that he would cheer when the British tlag \\!»- hanled down from the Citadel, because then Vova Scotia coiiid tight Canada, and ihinw off her yoke; and the words ho did use wore proved to a degree that shouhl satisfy every man of intelligence in this country of the accuracy of the proof There they had Mr.Vail's statement long after this tran- saction occurred, when there had been am])lo time for the most thorough ventilation of the whole subject ; and they had (roneral Doyle's letter written to himself two years after that. The hon. gentleman stated that General Doyle found that he had been lied to, and was very an.xious to have a recon- ciliation; but he would never make any intelligent man in this country believe that the .-ipeoch ho uttered was any other than these eminent judges had declared it to be, and that his friend Mr. Vail admitted, when long after- wards he was trying to ap[)ease the Just indignation of the Commander-in- Chief When General J)oylc heard .Mr. Vails explanation, what did he say? "All satisfactory" Not at all. (ieueral Doyle felt that it was almost as great a crime; that next to the crime of Avishing to see the Hag hauled down, the next greatest crime that a Canadian could commit was that, after the Union had been ac(;onipli8hcd, and it was the interest of avory man to bury old troubles, a man 'ould be found in the eountry to stand up and say he would cheer when the flag was hauled down on the Citadel Hill, be- cause it would enable him to fight Canada and break up this Union. He was not surprised at the spirit manifested by the hon. the Minister of Militia, for it vra the same spirit which ani- mated him when seeking election, not .as a member of the Cabinet, but as an independent member, to declare that he was retuly to do what was in the in- terests of his constituents, irrespective of the Government, and yet incited the public mind by declaring that the only protection required by Nova Scotia was against Ontario and Quebec, and that, if a barrier was built up between 'ik'Hi. a'' Would be Well. That lar- guage. taken in its most (iiialifiedsen.'^e, was a ( lime a^airist Canada, iind shoui:? e.NclU'li' any gentleman tVom the Gov- ernmenr until ho had withdrawn ii R<^fevoTii-e had been made to the faet that 6ii- Goori:-!' ('artioi' had been .; rebel. 3Iany people would, however, be found to justify Sir Geoi'ge Cartier's act in taking up arms. Ho (Mr. Tap- per) was not one of those who did not beliovo that a man might not be justi- fied in taking up arms against the (iovernment under which he lived, that civounistances might not arise which would warrant a man, not only in using stronger language than the hon. Minis- ti'r in regard to the British flag, but in talcing up arms in support of what he believed to be the inierests of tho peo- ple. But, if Sir George Cartier, in the distant jjast, did take that position, he had proved to the satisfaction of his <^ucen, and of tho world, that, when justice was done to the people of Caimda, no more loyal subject of the Crown, no man more devoted to his country could bo found, than the lamented Sir (icorgo (.artier, who was ready to shod his blood, if necessary, in defence of Canadian institutions, as wo had them to-day. Wo had now a prosperous, happy and united country, and jet, notwithstanding all that had been done for Nova Scotia, the hon. the Minister of Militia endeavoured to inflame and excite the public mind against the other Provinces. The hon. gentleman had done that for which he was not ashamed, but for which he ought to be ashamed ; and any man charged with tho high and icsponsible duty of maintaining and promoting Canadian institutions ought to bo ashamed to take into his Cabinet a gentleman who had expressed such opinions and maintained them now, lie could not resume his scat without noticing tho remarks of the hon. mem- ber for Halifax, (Mr. Jones) and the hon. raomter for Levis, (Mr. Frechette) in respect to Mr. Thi- bault. He (Mr. Tupper) never had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Thibault until the morning of tho nomination day in Digby, whore he made his acquain- tance on tho platform. If testimonials went for anything, Mr. Thibault ought to be a respectable man. Ho was an '^^^:W( ^i^iimetmm- W >>.*'' I ^3 •^r^. ^ 52 !l I aUiermaii u\' the city of Mciitrfal. lie posHessed a ltociI stiutdinfr ai tlio l slate whether such a speech was made. He f Mi'. Tnpi)or) had not seen Dr. Walsh's rep!_\ . but the hon. the member for Hochelaga had done 80 ; it was there denied that such a speech had been made. Such was the miserable lying slander that the hon. the member for Levis thought it not beneath his position to bring be- fore the Hous, in respect to an absent man. From a report in the Quebec Chronicle, it appeared that there had been a meeting of the Quebec bar called yesterday to pass resolutions ex- pressive of their deep regret at the death of His Holiness the Pope, and the first resolution was moved by Mr. C. S. Chevrier, one of the most respect- able members at the bar, belonging to the Liberal party, and seconded by Mr. Charles Thibault. The solution of the difficulty respecting the published speech was not that the hon. member for L^vis wrote it, but that it -was probably a translation of Mr. Thi- bault's French speet^h by Mr. Vail. He was glad, however, to know that the election in Digby was not carried by any of those monstrous misstate- ments. The hon. the Minister of Militia hod stated that, when ho (Mr. Tupper) returned to Halifax, he had said that Mi*. Vail would be elected, and said he had the proof. He defieii the hon. gentleman to pi-ove it. In the presence of Mr. Wade and his com- mittee, after he went with them over the information from all the English sections of the county, he arrived at the conclusion that Mr. Vail's defeat was certain. He met Mr. Vail on the street, in the presence of Mr. Cakes, tbrmerly a member of this House, and now a member of the Legislative Coun- cil of Nova Scotia, and said to him, " You are a badly-beaten man. " Mr. Vail replied : "I will not only double my majority, but will probably treble it." lie (Mr. Tupper) said that, fi-oni what heknew,Mr. Vail would not only have no majority, but would be badly beaten. He (Mi-. Tupper) returned to Halifax and, before u large imnibor of his friends, stated that, while ho had not scon the French dis- t;t5&^:;i^V5W&--#^^«: li-'iVi' (lt'iioini('(y| I'thv of helief. h\ Mr. Thi- l>i'. \Val,.^li, vliol Jic'i- Niicli a 'Mr. Tapper) hs itpU. I,|,t HocJielaga Iiad >nied that such le. Such was ainclor that tho 9vi8 thought it 1 to bring be- ' to an afeent 1 the Quebec mt there had > Quebec bar ■esolutions ex- regret at the ho Pope, and noved by Mr. most respect- belonging to onded by Afi-. >iution of the le published lion, member that it was of Mr, Tlii- y Ml-. Vail. b know that not carried »us mi6>8tate- Minister of hon ho (Mr. aalifax, he . d bo elected, He defied '0 it. In the lid hia com- fi them over the English he arrived k^ail's defeat ^'^ail on the Mr. Oakes, House, and ative Coun- id to him, lan." Mr. •nly double ably tieblo that, fi-oni d not only d be badly eturnod to e number at, while ■nch dis- ss tricts, he had seen those ft-oni the Eng- lish sections, and from what he know of tho temper of the people he was satisfied that Mr. Vail was badly beaten^ so far as the English vote was concornal, or he know nothing of elections. There was a gentleman,now within hearing of his voice,preHent when be made that state- ment on his return to Halifax. Mr. Vail, at that election, was defeated by nearly 400 votes, which was mainly due to the English vote. Mr. MILLS : Who misled the Mail and C*^■-tn? Ma. TUPPER said he sent no com- munications to either of those journals respecting the Halifax or Higby elec- tions. He did not go into the streets and nroclaim Mr. Vails probable de- feat, T)ecause he well knew the great efforts that would be made by the Government under such circumstances, to carry the election. His son, residing at Toronto, telegraphed him asking what were the prospects in Halifax, [n reply, he thought it tho best policy to use tho motto of the Duke of Devonshire, and he telegraph- ed '-Cavern lo tutus," and thought he would leave the telegraph operator to make what he pleased of it. Those explanations were duo to himself in regard to matters of fact. The hon. the Minister of Militia, had referred to him in the most unhandsome terms. Ho did not object to the hon. icon tie- man joining issue with him as to mat- ters of fact, but nothing could be more infamous and dastanUy and more calcul- ated to lower tho dignity of this House, than general charges of misstatement without there being any foundation for them. Ho had shown how far he was open to such a charge at tho hands of the hon. gentleman, and he defied him to controvert the statements now made by him (Mr. Tupper), and sup- ported by convincing evidence. Ma. DYMOND: Iteforo 1 claim the indulgence of the House for a moment in regard to a personal matter, 1 would ask whether, in alluding to a member of tho House, whom tht! hon. gentle- man supposed to have garbled or revised his speech, he alluded to me? Mb. TUPPEi{ : 1 did not quite say so. I said tho hon. gentleman was known to be closely (connected with the Glob-: newspaper, and no hon. gentleman had a closer perception than he of the fact that the hon. member lor Halifax (Mr, .(ones') was rtoating Thi'ough blunders and mis- takos. I do not know what the hon. genthmian did, but I thought he did not discharge what he considers his duty to his party unless he would just suggest to the reportei* that it would be well to have the speech revised before publication. While the speech I made appeared in tho Glol'C of the next morning, the same compliment wbm not paid to tho hon. the Minister of Militia, and those who know the enter- prise ol that, newspaper can imagine the reason. Mr. DYMOND: Then it was to me that til.': hon. gentleman referred? Do I unlerstand that the hon. gentle- man roloiTcd to me ? Mu. IMPPEIl: I have given the hon. gentleman his answer. I do not want to make anyporsoruil oroffensivo reference. Mr. DYMOND: i aj)peal to the House whether, through a large por tion "f his speech, the hon. member for Cumberland (Mr. Tuppor) did not in- sinuate that a certain member of this House did advise or control the re- porters ol" the (rlolie newspaper, and that, by that membei's influence, a report of that speech had been curtailed or garbled. No man (ay s<», liecause, though «•© have bc'oii political opjinniMits ever since I first trod Cniiadian sdH, I havo uever iiitentionjilly done him an in- justice, nor lias Auy personal feeling ever intriidoc reporteis arc »H independent as any hon. inembor of this House. 1 never knew a re- porter of the paper with whicli I VJUs connected belbre I came to thia country, who Avould listen to a i-uggcstion that he should garble the rop>rt of anybody's speech, and I can j>ay the sime with reference to the Q)ith, , It is an insult to the press to suggest anything else I say in all courtesy and kindness that T hope the him. gentleman, in future, will be more t^areful of the chariictoi' of his fellow- xiiembi.rs in this House. Thi- charge made, or insinuatoil, is very serious; for the garbling of the Ki)eech of a Fnember of Pa.'-lianient would be a gross breach ot' the privileges of rarliument, for which anyone who was guilty o! it should be called to the bar of this House, and, if a m»^mber, be ox])elled. H th« hon. gentN'man could have proved his charge. I woulil lesign my seat within five minutes, and iihrink away from the sight ol my (ollow-men. However earnestly] may feel ill regard to political (luestion*-, 1 Lojte the hon. gentleman will always find me a fair opponent, willing to give blow for blow, but never guilty of a dishonourable action. I thank the hon. gentleman for having acquittcnl 1010 of the act he imputed to me, and I hope I shall never again haxo occasion to allude to mv connection with the (ilobf newspaper on the floor of Parlia- ment. Mr. JONES said lie legrolted that, at this early hour of the morning, he had to allude to the observations of the hon. member for Cumberland (Mr. Tuppor). It was evident that the ob- 8orvntion.s ho (Mr, Jones) had addressed to tho House on a previous occasion, had gone home to the hon. gentle- man. It was evident, from the tone of the hon. gentleman to-night, that he felt, perhaps for„ tiie first time, that tho rccoi-d of his past public life h.nd been Jield up and exposed to the people of (Januda, that a point had been touched in his past political career, that exposures had l)een made and matters Iiad come to light affecting him, during the time he was a member of itho Government of Nova Scotia, which, coming before the people of ('anada, would convey to them all the information which was necei«try to enable them to arrive at a just estimation of the hon, gentleman's public career. The hon. gentleman hail said that he (Mr. .lones) had in- dulged in old and stale charges. Did not the hon. member for Cural)erland commence on the floor of this Housa by introducing matters which had been explained before his (Mr. .loncs'.s) own electors time and again — a subject which had been explain(Hl, and the explanation accepted by every fair-minded man ? But the hon. gentleman had not thought it beneath him to bring up that old story and try to make political capital against him on the ground of his becoming a member of this (Jovernment. The hon. gen- tlemen had said that he had no right to join a Government with which he had such a difference of opinion. He commenced on the sugar question, lie (Mr. Jones) stated frankly then that he did ditfer from the (iovornment on a (juestion of trade. Did the hon. gentle- man or any hon, member, suppose that all the members of tho Government were agreed c)n the great question of trade and finance ; that all men's minds were cast in one mould; or that what appeared to one Minister plain, was jiresentcd in the same light to all his colleagues ? This could not be the case. If it was necessary, all independent thought would be stifled by such slavery. There 15 )f g'vttfd that, coining, he "tioiisof tbe •erlaiul (Mr. that ihoob^ «^addi'es8od »UH occasion, hotu gontJe- ora tJie toue ■niffhf, that the lirst his past '^ iij> and anuda, that in his past •e.s had }»oen ne to Jight ime he was nt of Nova the people o them all ' necci«iry ■ •It a just entleman's gentleman *-) had in- ges. Did iiral)erland his lfous« h had been ncs's) own -a subject n<>d, and hy every the hon. it beneath )ld story ' capital oiind of of this had no th which nion. He tion. He hen that lent (in a '• gentle- )ose that t'rnnient ^'stion of men's mould; ^finister 10 h"ght 'uld not Pessary, would Then' w»8 no sacrifice of piincijjk' in connection with this qiiesticju. Moreover, this question had changed very much since it was before tlio ilouse on a previous occasion. I[e understood very well the object of the hon. gentleman in bringing this mutter before the House. The hon. gentle- man wanted to make and show himself the champion of Halifax interests. He (Mr. Tapper) was endeavouring to show the people of Halifax that he (Mr. Jones) nad disregarded their in- terests in that respect, and that he was the only champion of their views on this occasion . But the hon. gentleman knew very well that this question had changed very much, and the settle- ment of it was in the future. Very much, in this relation, depended upon the legislation that took place on this subject in the neighbouring country. But what hiid the hon. gentleman done when his colleagues differed with him (Mr Tupper), respecting the National Policy? Was it not well known to the country that hib colleagues had not agreed with him (Mr. Tupjier) on that point, the great National Policy? — and yet they had not seen the hon. gentleman sever his cor\nection with that Cabinet. Mb. TLTPPER: No. The lion, gentleman Mb. .TONES: says " No." Mb. TUPPER: I was not a member (if the Cabinet when it was curried. Mb DYMOND: When it was voted down ? Mb. JONES: When it was repealed? Mb. TUPPER: No. Mb. JONES: The hon. gcnllemau knows well enough. Mb. TUPPER : Will the lion, gentle- men allow me to make a statement? When the National Policy was carried 1 was not in the Cabinet; but, when 1 was in the Cabinet, every membei- of it united to resist the repeal of the duties, and wo stood togethei-, every man of us. Mb. JONES : Every meml^ev of the Cabinet was united on that question ? Me. TUPPER: Yes. Ma. JONES : Eegarding the rope»l of the duties, every member of iho Cabinet joined in voting it down. Mb. TUPPER: No; we did not. Mb. JONES said the hun. gentlemuu had brought up the question of the flag, and had endeavoured to give a new turn to it. Tn the statements made the other night, the hon. gentle- man had sought to sliow to the House that Mr. Vail and others had a year or two aftei'wards, owing tostatemonts of his (Mr. .iones), had gone to General Doyle to make certain explanations concerniig this matter. JJut he (Mr. .Iones) would say hero that, if Mr. Vail had ever so said anything on the subject, he did so on his own aco^junt, and was no repiesentative or am- bassador from him (Mr. .Tones). Ho had never asked Mr. Vail, or anybody else, to convey to (Jeneral Do^-le any expression with regard to the speech which he hud made on that occasion. He had read this speech the other night, and the hon. gent lomau hiid not thought it beneath him to say it was not the sjieech which he (Mr. Jones) had delivered on that oecasiou. He would ask the hon. gentleman what authority he had tor making this state- ment. How political occasions. The hon. gentle- man might bring forward what evi- fSSfsf h would do *ed to hear m West To- —• but ho connection at •rtb HastiDffs, amazed by "n Ibis hon ."• gentlemen 1 «ocial life ' «n impro- T over again ^«et, instead ; The hon. ones) would nwy's meet- >tnan knew Ise. Before he (Mr. at uIJ, he 8 opponent, e to have a public mai- Mr. fiicht'v onient, and RMmy's announced ig down to (Afr.JoiieH) >y that this hemselves, fHxwhythe m the Government which ho (Mr, Tuppor) could not obtain in the posi- tion in which he then stood. The hon. gentleman said that tho Glolir, re- porters or himself had garbled his (Mr. Jones's) speech. He (Mr. Jones) hml certainly nothing to do with it. The hon. gentleman had said that he (Mr. Jones) had been inconsistent in tho course of his speech the other evening, in stating in the early part of it that the misrepresentations which he (Mr. Tupper) had made during the lata contest in some parts of the country where they could not roach him, hat! misled the public mind, and that, if it had not boon for this his majority would have boon larger ; and then he said bo (Mr. Jones) gave him (Mr. Tuppor) credit for having increased it. His speech was perfectly consistent, as he had said that, in one part of the county visited by the hon, gentleman, hi8(Mr. Jones's) majority was inci'oased. He did not think that there was any- thing inconsistent in these two state- ments ; at all cvoiits, he could no» perceive it. If it was tho case, surely the hon. gentleman could not complain. Tho other day the hon. gentleman's organ in Montreal, the Gazette, had entirely held back tho reply of the hon. the Postmaster General to tho hon. member lor North Hastingo(Mr. Eowell). There had been one course of misrepresentation by the hon. gentleman's press thro'ighoiit tho last three or four 3'ears, of th« views which hon. gentlemen on the Ministerial side of the Hou.so had E laced before Parliament. He hud eon amused at tho hon. gonileman referring to tho observation which he (.Mr. Jones) had made last year regard- ing tho Pacific Eailway. If he judged him (Mr. Tupper") by his own organ, tho hon. gentleman would find that ho (Mr. Jones) was in perfect accord with the views of the present Government on this point, on which the hon. gentleman thought that he differed with them, because he believed thai the Montreal Gazette had on that occasion made him (Mr. Jones) say that tho only fault ho hivd to find with the < lovernment was in not having gone on with that railway and built itatonco. Tho hon. gentle- man had no iloiibt felt tho force of the remarks which ho (Mr. Jonos) had made the other day respecting the auditor hort); uiid ho (Mr. Tuppor) tboutht that tho reforoiice in that speech would afford him the oppor- ^|Hpp™|PT '"G t lilM^i r#" u' Zi, H '-,1 ^tii liuiity of backin;; (l(»wii. The lion, i^onllemau ha wan to be passed, was lo touch the auditor on the Mhoulder, and way : " 1 am interested in thin," or " My friend is interested in thii*,"' and it would be all right. llefMr. joncs)had ankcd him thcn,and he repeated it now — whether this was the way in which he (Mr. Tupper) hatl pasHCfl the Fraser-Rcynolds account ; and was this th3 way in which the right hon. member fo'- Kin^"TO Mnttetiien were like the two headH ot the Beiiiaii faction, iiKHjitatin;^ h, raid oil tlu- i»ublic treasury, and tlie only fitrife betwot-n them wuk wliicli «houlil lie . the first to pocket tlie plunder." That was another ccrtifictite of character from the (iovernor of Nova Scotia. When the hon. gentleman found that suspicion had passed into conviction in the public mind — Avhen the hon. member foimd that Mr. Archibald's letter in reply to liis sup- plication for a certificate of ch: racter had only deepened that conviction — then the hon. gentleman tried to turn round and explain it in the way ho had done to-night, and throw suspicii'n on Mr. Fleming. He (Mr. Jones) said then, and he said now, tiiai, he did not refer to Mr.F'lemingatall. As there was no one other geutloman mentioned in connection with it, the hon. gentleman could make the application. Never took public money? Why, wherever there was pablic money going, he would venture to say the hon. gentle- man liad a full .share of it during the time he was in public life. He might rt^peat a story, as the hon. gentleman was fund of tolling stories. At the time of the Pacific scandal, there was an old farmer from Cuinborlund who met a friend in th»' ra:lwa3',tind he said to Li'm with reference to public mat- U v. "1 am a supporter of Mackenzie's Administration; I believe thoy are able and pure men ; I believe they are honestly and wconomically conductin the aftairs of the country ; but, for al thfit, 1 ilo not believe in the Pacific seand.il." " r)on't Iwlieve in the Pacin.sc.uidal! Why not?" "Why," ho rooiicil. " it has been said that there was j$o.'>0,OttO of money floating about at the time of sale of the Pacific charter. It has been said, under the signature of Sir (Jeorge ('artier, that money van given for the elections, $10,000 here, J!i20,00U there, and $30,000 in another place- and a last 810,000 for the las^ time to the right hon. member for Kingston himself, but it has never Iteen proved that Mr. Tup])er got one cent of it ; and," he added, " from what I know of the untecedeiils ol that lion, gentleman, — F was rai.sed in the same eountry with him — I know very well th.it, it I hat large sum of money had been going, Mr. Tupper got his full .share of it." And lluK was the rcM.son wh}- the old farmer did not believe in the Pacific Scandal. The hon. gonileman had endeavoured to explain awaj his connectio with the Sprin'jrhill mines. He uc.d not explain them away; he enild no more explain that transaction than he could the Pie.tou ?'i)ad. The (lovernment of which he was the leader passed an Order in Couiuil. which, three days subsequei.tly, wasjprinted in tbeii!oj/ai Oazftte. The Royal Oazcf'e was priatetl usually on W^ednesday, and generally renehed the public oflices on "Thursday morning, M:'. Charles H. M. Black appeared at the offices with an application for all those coal areas, with all their motes and bounds des- cribed accurat.oly ; jind. when the "'entioncd in '•• fe'ontloman r'OD. Novev 'Ji whorovoi' p\' eoing, he /'on- firentlo. It (luWiig the He might '• ffeiitJoniaii !«'*• At the W, there was [ei-land wlu, »*'»' he said 'ubJif nint- ai-'konzio'H t''^T ai-o fr-othej nre condiicfinw J'^xt. at thoi-o .'"^' about '"« oJiai-ter. ?natiii-e of onev va» 000 here, 1 another ■ the last ml.,. I- for a^t never got one ■"ni what «i that ■d in the inr vorjr ' monoj- liai was did not • The "od to ith the •^i not i more could nment led an days Hot/al was and OS on s H. th an reas, des- the »9 Coiriini.S!tioTif>r oi" Mines cxpi-osscd Ms astonishment and Haid If was ilK-gui, then hf gave liim tlu' /loyal Chc'eifc containing the Order in Oonncil. It had been panved throf oi* four dayn previously nnt no( made itublic; and the C'Omnusniunoi' was obliged to give him Ibc property. Tlie hon. gcntlo- man said he had no connection with it. ITo (Mr. Jones) repeated horo what he hat! said elsewhere on a previous oc- casion, when he drew from tiic lion. gentleman an unguarded admi.-sHioii,thr-t, out of that transaction bo had made $40,000. The hon gentleman was in- timately associated with Mr. Bl.icic : ho wa** his political and ^lersonil friend ; and every man in Halifax knew that, when Mr. Black moved in that trans- action, he moviMl for the hon. member and the ring with which ho was con- nected. When that subject was before the House. .Mr. Mlaek might write as many letteis us he plc.nsed ; he might nay la< novei' i;ot that information direct from the hon. gentleman, be- cause he (Mr. ,b)nes) knew, from his exiKM'ience with this house in llollis- utreet. how well the hon. gentleman could cover up his tracks, lie siiid ho never got thai information from the hon. gentleman himself, but they knew very well that the hon. gentleman bad other means of informing Mr. RIack of this transaction. It was not nectis-ury that he himself— he took good ciire rhnt he would not himse!i--biil be must have tJikon goo J carci that .Mr. Hiaek was aware of it, and }i\\-. Blaci: acted on the suggestion which was so kindly put in his way ; and the \nw. gen le- man, as the result of that, tiansaclion, pocketed $40,000. The bon. gentle- man said it was a subject of investiga- tion. Tliat was nerf\}ctly true. Jhit where was Mr. Black on that occas- ion ? When the character of bis friend was aspersed, when the j'e])ii- tation of the hon. gentleman was at Htake, when the susj.icion of the pub- lic mind was so deep that every man believed what was said with reganl \o this transaction and his connection with it, one would have imagined that, if Mr. Black bad been his friend, as be described him to be, he wouUl have taken advantage of the earliest opportimit}', that ho would have come forward will innd had (endeavoured to shelter himself bebind the actions of men in Ontario and elsewhere, of gentlemen who led publie opinion in Ontario and else- where. But that did not relieve the hon. member from the position in which he (.Mr. .Tones) jilaced him. The hon. member was tho head of the frovernnieiit that Wiis elected in 1863, without any reference to the (|ue8tion of Union at all. The hon. gentleman took upon bimselt'to send a delegation to Prince Kdward Island to meet a de- legation from Canada, and subsequently that delegation met in Quebec; and at (Quebec was originatcul the first scheme oi I'nion. When the hon. gentleman brought that scheme back to Nova Seoti.M. there WHS such an outburst of indigtialion against the measure that till' lion. gentl(^m:in was obliged at once to withdraw it. A second scheme was fornind in IHhf) and 1860; and, from tb«^ day lb;it that scheme was mooted uj» lo the time that it was so improper- ly passed by tb o Loial Legislatnre.tbere was one f'eolir .; of opposition from one end of Nova iScotia to the other, and the floors of Parliament were flooded with petitions against the passage of the Act without appealing to the people. The bon. gentleman need draw no consolation from the action of hon. gentlemen in Ontario and Quebec. These bon. gentlemen understood the position ; they understood the wants, and thej' wore supposed to understand the feelings, of their own people: but, whether they were right or wrong, it was no excuse to tho hon. gentleman fir havintr taken an unwar- rantable advantage, for having taben an unwarrantable liberty with the peo- ple of Nova Scotia — for having changed ?Mk''i i^ II li (i . I tho coiiHtltution ol' that country, which WUH equal to u revolution, nnd lioniod the people tho opportunity of oxpreaH- ing their opinion upon it until the net wa8 conHUinmntcci. The hon. ucentle- man suid he paN8od it by u large majority iu the House. He (Mr. Jonos) WBH not going to soy here, to-niglit, how that measure was carried. It woh known that u large numlMn-of gentle- men, who were originally opposed to it, under the management of the hon. gentleman, by seats in tho Senate, by seats in the Legislative ('onncil, through means which he knew so well how to employ when they wore at his disposal, converted a minority into u majority on that question in the House. It would stand as a lasting disgrace to him OS a public man that, on that qnes- tion of Union, ho denied tho people of tfova Scotia the right of speaking on their own behalf. Hip might endeavour to make what explanation ho liked with regard tr) his lectures ; he might have his opinion upon that or any other (Subject ; but he had no iiuthorily from the people of Nova Scotia — he was never delegated with power from tho people of Nova Scotia to make such a i-odical change in their constitu- tion without fijMt asking tho authority of the people from whom that authority was derived. The hon. gentlenmn said that ho (Mr. .lones) wjw a sup]X)r- tor of his at tho time he (Mr. Tapper) refused to go t<» the dockyard to meet the Prince of Wales. Ho denied it entirely. At the time tho hon. gentleman roibrred to, ho (Mr. Jones) look no interest in politics at all. It was not till l.S<;3, when Mr. Ilowe, as he thought very improperly, held his position in the Government after ho had been a})- pointed Fishery Commissioner, and •ndeavuured to throw the shield of his popularity over Mr. Archibald and Mr. Wire, and other members who were then leading tho Government, that he took an active part for tho first time iu public matters in Nova .Scotia. He did not even know tho hon. gentleman. He remcmljered well tho day tlie hon. gentleman camo and saw him in his office, on the dissolution of 18»i.3 taking place, throe years after the Prince of Wales visited Halii'ax; and the hon. gentleman would romembor,if he called to his remembrance the cii*cumBtance, that he (Mr. Tupper) camo and intro- duced himself *o him in his ofHce, tho first time he had ever seen him. Ho was no follower of the lion, gentleman's, and no colleague of his. When ho heanl that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Tu])per) had refused to attend thu reception of the I'rince of Wales, ho (Mr. Jones) was an indignant as any one, and it was owing to the pressure of the i)arty ' 61 "•cumstanco 10 and intro- '« office, tho '" nim. Ho k'o'Uleman's, , When ho Homan (Mr 'attend thJ «*■ Wa/e«, iDdignant •ty outside, 'OHired that ""Id, that '" to yield , '"id meet [ai-d on that >oen one of "CO, but ho to receive conHistont ?ontIenian 'step, ho O.IH Royal 'a as Jon^r d permit fnberJand ''0 winter •jnt point ) ««id tho »8 settled n ill whicli thopulilii- generally wore iiittiv-ttid. Tho Uliani ber of Coinniono. Pity Council aiiil ImportorH' Aiisociulimi >ont Mr. lilac U, and on returning to Halifax ho inform- ed tho cominittoo which had appointed him that the (iovornmont had met him fairly on every quoBtion. Mr. Mac;- kenzie had given him a letter, stating that tho Govornmont would put forth every effort to make Halifax the winter port. Mr. Black subsequently Btateelf that he wouM bring the Inter- colonial Kailvay \vork-< Imck to Kali lax if lie ev( !• vegaim^ii power. The lion, gentleman had addneed the evi- dence of Mr. Taylor and .Mr. Johnstm. whicli would bo rightly estimated whore he mentioned that those gentle- men wore at the head of tho workshops, under tho riii li'tU'i- ^fiit liy till- ri^lit lioii. iiii'iiilur lui' Kiii.C'l"M I" lii* tfini'l tlio iiu'IiiIkt l'»r < 'iiml'('i'!;iiiil. in llio follow •• I iVi'l ii |ii'i'-i>iiul iiili/nrt ill ilii. iiiiitlci. ' i»|* ItcitiK ''''■'l"'ii''i''l'' ^illi i"y 1 i>Ili'ri.rii''s lor till' roUMriiL'lioii ": ili" liiti'i-culoiiiul Itail- Ntiiy utiil itM loi'Ution — lor wliicii I \mih f«i j liriirtily ivhufi'J I am, tiierelore, i.uiiirstlly I uiixiouM to Mi'c ihftt ritilway ii hiumtnh liimn- ! •(iiilly «ih1 i>llii'r\vif|iing unti cxleiuliiiK the triidc of its jircat ttriniinm iit Ilnlitux. I hope tlii' flovcriiiiient won't he blind to this j^rcnt olpjccl. iiikI that they iiuiy \\v indnceil to make ' an extra ell'ort for the purpone. Ifthevdo | ndt ihfv will lui! of their iluty,unil will li«' i roniindid otllu'ir failure at the next general j flc'ctionH," '•; I Tliiil loUcr was no tloiibl written for tho occasion, bccuiiso it novor wuw tlio li^lit of day until it was printed in the lion, gentleman's organ on the 28th .Taiuiary, Olio day lioforo t lie Halifax '■ieetion. Yet, from tlie hon. genllo- iinin's romarUs, it might bo imagined tlmt he would froorn any attempt to fhaiige tlu^ opinions of the oleetorM (;'' Halifax by any such iufluonces. Xovortlioless, itappearoil Jroin IiIn own organ tiial ho not only made promises publicly and through the pro»s, but, ut the last moment before the Uulifux election, published a letter from the right lion, member for Kingston, staling that the (Jovornment would be derelict in their duty if they did not do everything in their power to develop aiicl extend tlio trade of tiio groat terminus of Halifax. The House would now bo in a position to judge as to wimt value should be placed on the evidence which the hon. member for Cumberland hod (juoted on tho present occasion. The hon. gentleman had stated tjiat those were old stale charges, and that lie (Mr. Jones) had made tho charge of mis- statifig facts against hira and had not proved it. Ho had not made a single statement in support of which ho could not bring ample and sufficient proof. When he referred to that fact, ho gave the proofs to the House. Wore not Mr. Archibald's lottei's sufficient proof to tho House to force conviction on every fair-minded man ? But, when Mr. Archibald was applied to by tho hon. gentleman for a certificate of tliariii'icr, In; wiod' oiui of (1. ■. iin»st guanlcd Icllcrs that any iintii could commit to piiper. It niiiclil l>c •*iip|.iis,!(l ihal he w had tho oppoi'tunily to do ihat whwii lint boll, geiitloiniin wroto him that note, becuuMO they were triendM — an opportunity to say that not only he did nut say ho, but that he did not believe it then, and he did not be- lieve it now. Bid Mr. Archibald say anything of tho kind ? No ; he said : '• H' you will refer to my speech which was delivered on that occasion you will tind tliat 1 did not make such a cliaige." JIo (Mr. Jones) tliouglit a great many things occurred in public matters which were similar (o trials in tho old country in criminal mattera, ami wore said to bo " not proven." Hut the same conviction rested on the public mind that the man accused in such cases was guilty as if the voi-dict of guilty had boon brought in against him. The lion, gentlonian said that ho (Mr. Jones) had brought these old stale charges against him ; they wero not old stale charges in that House at all events ; and it was because the hon. genlletnan felt that there wore true charges, and that they would go throughout the country and stamp him as an unreliable public man, that he had shown so much temper that evening and on previous occasions. If he thought to cow him (.Mr. Jones) bj sucdi charges as ho had nuuie, ho hna mistaken his man. He was not afraid to meet the hon. gentleman in open discussion, and whatever i)ublic record they might have he was willing to discuss in this House or, as he had dis- cussoil it lately, before the electors of Halifax, who had given him their verdict. When tho hon. gentleman was in Halifax the other day, ho (Mr. Jones) referred to some of those matters — to some of them only because they wore well undorstood there — but in this House it was because hon. mem- bers wero not aware of these matters that it was in tho interest of good Government that tho public should bo made aware of the previous character of the hon. gentleman who was seek- ing to hold a prominent position in this country in tho futiu'o. It would I'o an unfortunate day for the ^ f*--:?3J ();» '"••*"|'|'"iu(J ,'"' ""••■in.jMi.l ["•kilid.-' II,. " 'li'ii when o hiin that (lioiidH—au not only t'mt ho (Jiti <"'' not be- f'nbald say o ; iio said . '"y '^pooch lat o(i'ji,4i„n '""ko MiK.|, ) "l(HI;i{ht a '' '" public '■ '<> tn'alH "tl niattoi-fl, "' J)mvoM." lit' aiiditoi- nlio should Ix' boyond ll»oc) should 1*0 a iiiemlu-r of thai (nim<'nt, but the lion, nicmbcf for (Jiimlicrland (.Mr. TiipjKir) wasneilliera iivdcl in loyally nor III |K>lilii'al iiioralllv iiir any b'in. meniber to follow. When lie (Mr. Jones) sought a niodel in either ho should take a higher standard than tho hon. member for Cumberland, and us long as he occupied a position as a member of the (Joveinment he should hold an independent [jositiou. He was not going to sink into a jiosi- tion of slavery because he wa.s a mem- ber of the Govoinineut. Me held the same opinions now as he held luloro, and those opinions would be emloisod by every intelligent voter ot Nova Scotia. When tho hon. gentleman bad nothing new to bring forward, bat simply to tiy and explain away his own inconsistencies, he broiiffbt up these old charges; and hv (Mr. Jones) had feU bound to show bow hiinl-drivon the hon. gentleman must bo ; how ho must have felt the force of the obser- vations made by him (.Mr. .lones) tho other night ; how, in the averted faces of bis friends, he must have ^een that ho was looked upon as having boon guilty of transgressions in his own country that would not bear the inve.s- ligation of Parliament. Tho lion, gen- tleman need not be afraid of his (Mr. Jones's) jiosition ; ho would take care of that; and he warned the hon. gen- tleman to Lake care of his own. Sir .rOHN A. MACDONALD said ho Iblt that ho could not properly allow some of the remarks of the hon. gentleman who hail just spoken to puss without observation. Ho bad said that he was not afraid of tho hon. member for Cumberland, or of discussing matters with him in this House, and that he had had discussions with him on tho subject in the Pro- vince of Nova Scotia. The hon. gentle- man (Mr. Jones) probably still thought ho was in Nova Scotia, and carrying on an election contest, because, in his spoceb on this occasion, ho had set aside everj' parliamentary rule of pro- priety in tho course ho hail taken. He (Sir John A. Macdonald) did not hesi- tato to say that a more unparliamen- • A*!?WHS3»*i" f 64 Uiry, and, in a pnrliaiiu;ntaiy sense, a more discreditaldf speech could not |)088ibly have Ihcm made by an hon. member than t he spooch made the other day by the hnn. meniliei- for Halifax. The hon. membor was chnrged — pro- perly fhargcMl, ilibo lum. the member for Cumberland (Mr. Tupper) chose to take the responsibility of makinf the charge — that there were a number of reasons why ho ought not, in the opin- ion of the hon. member for Cumber- land, to hold his position as a member of the Cabinet. His hon. friend the member for Cumberland might have been erroneous in his views, and the hon. member (Mr. Jones) might be the most propei' person to be one of the confidential advisers of the Crown. The hon. member for Cum- berland might be right or wrong in that, bnt he had a right to hold tlioso views. The hon. the Premier, when he held the position which he (Sir John A. Macdonald) now held, said that it was the duty of the Opposition to criticise the Government either in re- gard to tlieir administration, their legislation, or their composition. The hon. member for Cumberland had taken the ground that the hon. mem- ber for Halifa.K ought not to be a meml)erof the Government and ought not to be a confidential adviser of the Crown, and he had a right to take that ground. His reasons were p" •- liamentary. There was not a single ' ord or ex])rossion used by him that was not parliamentary. He liad the right to charge the hon. member, if he thought proper, with being unworthy of a place in the councils of the Sovereign. He (Sir John A. Macdo- nald) was not arguing for the moment that his hon. friend the member Ibr Cumberland was coi-rect in his con- clusions; but, if he had come to those conclusions, he liad a right to state them, and then it was the boundon duty of the hon. member for Halifax to answer the attack. Did the hon. gentleman answer that attack? No; he turned round and, in the most nn- ()arliamentary way, without any re- evancy in the world, said — there was thePictou ]{ailway, and thoSpringhill Mines, and the lease by the hon. mem- i bor for Cumberland of a house in i Halifax, and therefore the hon. ment- i bor for Cumberland wats not to attack him or, make charges against him. The hon, gentleman tried to divert the attention of the House from the charges which, in a parliamentary way, were brought against him by the hon. member for (.'Unxberland by trying to slang that hon. i!;entleman. Mb. CASEY . Oi-dor. Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD said he would assort that the language of the hon. gentleman was slang, and unparliamentary slang ; and he had no doubt the Speaker would say that, in using thai language, he (Sir John A. Macdonald) was perfectly in order, and that the hon. member for West Elgin was perfectly out of oi-der. Ma. CASEY said the point of order he had raised was that the right hon. gentleman had used the words " unpar- liamentary slang.'' Mr. SPEAKER: 1 hardly under- stands what it means, I never heai-d of slang in that way. Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD said that the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones), feeling the lash on his back, and the manner in which ho had been punished, had writhed like a toad under the harrow; and, i ice a sailor when tied at the gangwa}', had begun to blaspheme and sweai- at the man who oixlored the punishment. They all knew — and the hon. gentleman who came from Hali- fax, which was a naval p(U't, knew — that, when a .sailor was tied up at the gangway under the cat, and was writh- ing under the punishment, he was allowed, by naval rule, to slang and abu.se the captain; and he supposed that under no other principle could Mr. Speaker have permitted the hon. gciitleniaii to have gone on, suflering ah he (Mr. .lonos) must have been under the deserved punishment inflict- eil by his hon. friend (Mr. Tupper), ;ind abuse his hon. friend in such a manner. They would take the hon. gentleman (Mr. .lones) on his own ground. Wliat though every word lie said against the hon. gentleman was true: what though every one of these charges was well founded ; what though his hon. friend (Mr. Tupper) got from his son (or the lea.se of that house 8tiOO ; what though he f iyi 65 A to attack iffuiiiHt him. il to divert from the etitjiry way, >y the hon. y tiyiiig to NALD said anguage of slang, and d ho had no ay that, in ■ !• John A. in order, for West oi-der. oi lit of order * liMht hon. nis "unpar- ■dly imder- cr lieai-d of S'ALI) said Mr. Jones), ck, and tJie n punished, under the k^hon tied at » blaspheme oi-dored the \v — and the from Hali- )rt, knew — <1 up at the was writh- it, ho was slang and i Ruppoeod iple could Ml the hon. , suffering luvo boon ont inflict- . Tuppor), 111 such a the hon. his own y woi'd ho onian was H' of these '1 ; what •. T»p|icr) loaxe of loiigh he (Mr. Tuppor) iiad miuic money out of tho railroad ; what thoii:;li tho .Springhill \finu cliargo was true; what lii()iii;-li lio (Mr. Tup])or) had committud every crime in tlio decalogue; admittiiiLCuU tl)i^,h(i would ask the hon. geMllomaii (.Mr. .Joiio.s) whether his hoii. friend was iioi a rejuo- sontative of tho peojjle in the House, and whether he had not duties .-ind rospon- sihililies, as a inenibei' of tl:e lloiiso, to fulHl ; and so, no matter I hough jil.-' hon. friend li'id committed every crime in tho decalogue and known to oi'iminai law, lie would ask tho hon. gentleman whether his hon. friend had not a right, as a representative in Parlia- liamcnt of the people, to bring the hon. gentleman to account; ami whether iL was not his hon. (riend'.s duty, lliough his own crimes and sins extendci.1 from pUch and toss to inansiaugiiU'r to do so. lie (Sir .John A. .Macdonald) main- tained I hat his hon. iViend had a rigiit to bring up the hon. gentleman on those charges, and it was no answer for the hon. gentleman (11 r. Jones) lo say:"Oh, i may have cominitled all the.so crimes and sins, hut It does not rest in your moutli to say so," iM«. .lONKS: Did 1 n ler to any point the hon. meinliei' for ( 'uiulierland did not refer to ? Sir JOHN A. MACDONALl): Why, my hon. friend wa-- leplying to ihe argument— the unj)ailianieiiUiry speech whii.h tho hon. gentleman made the other day. .Mu. .lONKS; Vou wiil lind that he replied hel'ore. SiR.IOHN A. .MAt;iH)X,\Ll): N'o : he did not repl}' to that hefore. Tlie hon. gentlem-Mii took goini care in liis answers to the indictment prel'eri'ed against him l)eloi(i the House an I ht'lore the country, and tliat this country preferred against iiim. ni)t to give my lio'i. IVi(Mid .in o|)|)orHiiiily to reply; my h m iViei.d had no ,>iicli opporluniry. lie could not, hy parli:.- menlaiy rules, answer lliove chaiges. My hon. Iriend h.id li-en lo a personal explanation in whidi he .vas limited to a sliorl time. .My Ipii. Iricnd had no op|)oiliiinly lo cNplaiu r.n 1 tvo into tlie facts and (diari/es liri)uiriit iiy tlie lii>ii. tiontleman. The ^ucslion hroaglit i'o- lore tiie llouso by my hon. t'riend was whether tho hon. gentleman was fit to be in the Cabinet or not. I am not going over all the ground, and I do not think that tho hon. gentle- man would like me to do so, and enter into all the points which have been broii-ht u)) by my hon. friend one after anoiher. There is the question of the liag. -Mr. JOXE.S : Hear, hear. Sir JOILV A. MA(;D0NALB: Ihear tlie laugh, hut this is a loyal country. Mr. .JOXKS : Hear, hear. Sir .JOHN A. MAODOXALD: The hon. gontleman may laugh and may attempt to sneer down the charges that have been bi'ought against him. An llox. MEMHFJMIear,hcar. SfRjOirXA. MACDONALD: Rut the hon. gonllemandid not sneer when tiii.-; charge was tirst made. He then got upaiid said n was a lalsehooil — " [ ])ronoance it a t'al-ehood " — and he now pronounces it a false slander. Hut who lolkl thi.s falseho'id ? Who |)erpetratcd this l'als(> slander ? I would ask the hon. gi'uileman. .Mu. .lOXKS: Whoever states it stales a fal-ehood, and whoever re- peats ii. Some Hon. l[l':Mli!:r{S: Hear, hear. Sir JOHN A. M.VG'DON.VLD : Tho ii in. gt-iilleman says .it is a foul slandei' .and a base lalsehood. .Mil. .f()NI-:S: Yes. SiaJOlIX A. MACDOXALD: ilo then reijeated ii an .-in original stale- mopl ? .Mil. .iOXKS; Ye-. Sui .I.)11X A. MA(.M)()XAM): Tiio lli-si mu't wito rcjie.ited it was th.at fine loyal o:d m)1 lier, Sir Ha^linn's Doyle. Mr. .IONKS: He did noi. Sill .1011 X A. .MACDOXALD: Ho wa-- the ur-l m.an who ropLv.uod it, .Mu. .iOXilS: lie did not. SiiijOHX A. MACDOXALD: The first man who repeated itw.is tliattino old soldier, Sir Ha-^ting.s Doyle. Mr. JOXKS; No, no. SiR.|()iI.N' .\. MACDOXALD: Yes; it was Sir Hastings D^iyle. Mu. JONl':S: No, no. ^'f" f. - f 66 i Some Hon. MKMBERS : Oiclcr, order. Mr. UV.MONJ) : I lisi' t.. ;i iioint of order. Sir JOHN A. .MACDdNAJJ) : I ii'ii not out ofiM-doi'. Mr. SPKAKRK: Tlio lion, -eiilic- man rihow Ion point of oi'dei-. Mr. DYMOXJ): It isihi.s; 1 ;i>lcyou whellic'V, according to iMiglisli jtai iia- iiionfaiy practice — and Canadian jtar- lia?iientary practice falls niider the .smie precedent, wlien a nontlcnian has once given a solemn dechirati(;n on the floor of railiament that a cii.'irge i.s faltc, it is jjarliamentai-j' to lepoiit thatcharge, unlcbs it is to formu- Into it against h'm an an accusation which lie musfprove or dis))rove. Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD : J desire thi.< : he (^Sir .John A. Mactloiialdj .siid ihal .Sir ila.stings JKiylc was the tii st man \vlio lepealed this sialeinent, and this is not the case. Sir Willium Young was the first man who repealed it to Sir JJasting.s l)oyle. Sii! .lOliX A. MACDOXAI.I) : Oh, lln. -Mil. SPKAJ;K1{ : I think thcic i^ 111* violatioi. of order, lor thi> icjison : ih.'it the hon. niemhei for l\iiig>toii. .as I undcistiind the matter, Wits stating that siicji an asM'i'tiin wji- made, and not that it w.'is true. If he >aid that the assertion was true, he would he en tirely out of order ; hut, as it is. ilic hon. gentleman is in oi'dor. An JIoN. MKMHi:i{ : Do yon hc- lieve it ? Sir .JOHN A. .M .\CiH)N A LD : Well. I cannot say — well, I do hclicvc it, if you want to know, Mr. Sl'EAKid; ; 'i'lic riu'.it lion, gentleman is now entirci\ (nil ol oido. Sir JOHN A. MAODONALD: Well, then, in a parliamentary sense, 1 do not believe it ; but, in every of hoi sense, I do. I saj' that the hon. gentle- man stated that any man who i-opeatcd that charge committed a foul slander. Ho declared that the first man who made that statement was Sir Wil- liam Young. He did not repeat it, for this was tiie original statement. The original statement was this: that the hon the .Minister of Militia did make such a statement ; he made that state- ment, and that was the statement made to Sir Hastings Doyle, that old soldier, that mtm of high honour, that kindly old man, that gallant old soldier, who would never have said such a thing if he did not believe it to bo perfectly- true. 1 am glad to count him among niy friends. I believe it, and 1 believe, Mr. Speaker, that he (Sir Hastings Doyle) believed that charge, or he would not have written to ray hon. friend (Mr. Tupper) In the way he did. Mil. JONKS: It was not true; ho wjis misin'ormed. Silt JOHN A. MACDONALD: The hon. gentleman knows that there is no doubt that, when the news of these proceedings reach Sir Hastings Doyle, he will repeat It and I venture !o say that Sir Hastings Doyle will endorse every word contained in the letter whicii has been published. 1 have no doubt wliatevcr about it, and 1 tell you this: I shall make it my busi- ness to see th.'it this will be brought before Sir Hastings i>oyle, and, if he is .•dive, I shall be able to lay before Par- lianuiii the statement that he does not retract one single word of that charge. Mr. JOXES : The |ia]»ers have gone. SiR JOII X A. .M A( 'DOXA \A) : Why dill Sir HastiiigN Doyle write to his hon. friend (.Mr. 'rn|»|ier) ? Me wrote lo him because h>' believed ihe charge to he true. J)id iliey think that he would have written a letter like that from Ilalifa.x, in his ('apacity ha i' Inn- er of .Mil:- soldier a'' 07 promulgator of slanders whioh ho did not believe? Was he going to scrape together slaiuicrs and unfounded state- ments mu'ie Jigaiiist any man? Was he liitely to s])rcad abroad unfouniled, false, sliindcroiis gossip as the hon. gentleman (^M r. .Fones) contended ? for the hon. gentleman contended that this was a false and slanderous statement, Would he send it up for the purpose, send it up with the intention of being used, in order that the people of Ottawa, in order that the Parliament of Canada, in order that the lepresentativea of the people should not be mistaken about the character of that hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones) ? Sii- Hastings Doyle could not have been mi.-itaken ; there was no mistake or misapprehension, and the hon. gentleman, who had come upbore and taken the oath of allegiance, bad said that he would be ylad when the liritish Hag was torn down. That gal- lant old soldier would not have written th:it letter if he did not believe it to be ti'uo ; and why did ho believe it to be true? Because of the evidence of a man of honour, of high position, and of the statements of a man to whose posi- tion the hon. gentleman would never attain if he achieved the highest dreams of his ambition. The hon. gentleman could not bo]»e to equal him for charac- ter, for social position, or literary standing. SomeHoN, ME.UBERS: Order. Sir JOHN A. MACDOXALD: I am not imj)ugning the ])osition of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones) without witnesses. Mu. .TONKS: Who? SiRjOIlNA.MACDONALDiJudge Desbarres. .Mr. .rOXHS : Judge Desbarres' name was not mentioned. Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD: Jn the first letter? Mr JONh]S: SiRJOIIXA. it was. Mr. JONKS: No. MACDONALD: I say Where? Sir JO U N A. M A ( 'D; )N;V LD : Look at the lir,-e. Mk. TLII'l'Klf: It is niei.lioned there. Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD: Yes, it is. The names of Sir William Young, Judge Desbarres, and Mr. Thompson are mentioned. Mr. TUPPKU: These throe names are certainly mentioned. Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD said that these three names were mentioned in the first letter, or he wag greatly mistaken. With respect to the amount of evidence brought to prove it, and the evidence which forced a kindly old gentleman like Sir Hastings Doyle to take the responsibility of making this statement, and hold up that hon. gentle- man (Mr. Jones) and authorize the hon. member for Cumberland to hold him up to the public as a disloyal man, there was the evidence.ot those three men, Sir William Young, Justice Des- barres, and Mr. Thompson, and, in the second letter, the mime of Mr. Vail was mentioned. Now, the hon. the Minister of Militia said in his speech just now that he had proved beyond a doubt to the mind of eveiy honest man in the country that a job bad been committed on the part of the hon. member for Cumber- land with respect to the Pictou liailway, bocaiiM' he had produced the words of a speech of Mr. Archibald, delivered in the Hou.se of Assembly concerning that matter, and^iecause he read that speech, although the charge was made in the course of an attack on the Government, by the leader of the Uj)position against one of the leaders of the Administration; although that was merely made in Parliament, yet that speech did not convey the charge which the hon. gentleman wished to fasten on his hon. friend (Mr. Tuppei-) , of having improperly tiiken acivantage of his position as Minister to put money in his pocket. Although that charge was not contained in it, although no personal dishonour was attached to it, and although, in the letter subsequently written, M.r. Archibald had disavowed the making of any such accusation, yet the Ion geii!lein-\n (Mr, Jones) said thi.t to the n.iud ol e\ jiy h mest, c.'indid man, the stiitoinenl of Mr. Archibald, the lea Icr tf the Oppo- sition, was convincing-. This was the same as if the spei-ciie.s of ^^m ,'j %,i^ vt v.«. i.'^A"' :«^ ■? 69 - 1 r p the hon. the Premier while lie sal in this ITouso oit K'li years, were to ho kojit as tinal evidence ai^aiiiHt iiim (.Sir John A. Macdonald), and that any sj.eoeh which ho (Sir Joiin A, Macdonald) was to raalce agaiii'-t the hon. ;,'i iilieman in his p():-iti:)n of leader nf llio Opposition could bo kept aiid taken as evidence aifain.st him ten years hence. The hon. ,i;en(loman would not like tliat, and yet lh;\l was t!ie evi- dence, the irrefragable I. \ideiu'c, which he bi'ou^'ht uj) a^ain.st his hon. friend (Mr. Tapper) to ,-hww that there was something wronu', and tliat .-ome jtale- ment of Mr. Arcbiljakl, a |io!i!iral op- ponent, the leader of the Opposition, a statement made in the hot ;tni..'^-le of Parliament, in parliamentary discus- sion, as a coiudusive evidence of the truth oi such a cbarj^e ? And yei be turned round and declared that Sir William Yoimf.;; was a liar, u foul calumniatoi', thai Jiid;L,'0 Desbarrcs was a liar, a foul calum- niator; tliat ill'. Tbump-on, liuwe's hon-inlaw, was tlui same; thai the lamenteil Mr. Vail was a liar and foul calumniatoi'. This was ilic state- ment of the lion. ji:eiitlcniaii, that these four men bad all told lies, ami were all guilty of perpetrating a foul slander on ihe bon. genlleman. Would anybody believe tbiil ? He did not believe that the miijority. if sworn jurymen, would eonu; to the conclu- sion to set aside the .-lalcnieut of four ini!!! like these because the lion, gentle- man said lie did not .say ii, and ))ro- duced a new-jiajiei' in wbieli tbi- por- tion of bis speech was conveniently left out. His bun. frieutl (Mr. 'i'ujipei) bad shown bow things, in the most marvellous and n,y-tei i uis way dis- jivowed by ever} body, were eliniinati'il from spuoehes in tbojmblie press. No- body knew how Ibis hajipened, but yet these idiminations took place when an\' matters which would be very inconvenient were in question. They saw how this was done. His hon. (riend (.Mr. Jones) said, or. looking back at bis sju'ecb. that he did not Hnd that be had ever u-eil any such lan- guage, and, therefore, that everybody who said the contrary Avere liars, semindrels, and c.aluninialors, and that be never done so-and-so. The bon. genileman bad the hardihood 1(1 state that the be; d of the Supreme Court of his own Province, the Chief Jutice of Nova .Scotia, was a liar and a scoundrel, iind that bo liased this charge on the most imjiroper motive, on the lowe-t and basest possible mo- tive, because ho said that this gentle- man, Sir William Young, was politi- cally opposed to him, and on tl'e ground that tl is genlleman was a wiirm jiaiti- /,an. And why ? JJecausc the bon. gentleman (.Mr. Jones) did not, in bin desperation, wish lo defend himself against this charge, but Sir William Young said he lieaidhim(Mr. Jones)say it ; tlie:e could be no mistake alout it. The bon. gentleman did use that lan- guage, and be did say that he would lake ort' bis bal- and cheer when the IJritish flag was jiulled down. That was vouched for b}- the Chief Jiistieo, a man who jiresided at the head <>r' the t^iurts of law, and who admini tered the law, both civil and criminal, in the Pioviiiceot Xova Scotia, ami a man on whose judgment ho wo'ikl defend the law, the liberty, the jirojierty, and the rejiutation of every ni;in in the J'rovincc^ of Nova Scotia, in- (duding the bon. genileinan himself, lie (.Mr . I ones) had ventured to say that tbi.s gonllcniiin of high standing, of high character, of high jiosition, bonoure I by the ]ieoj)le, honoured by the reprc-enlatises of the .people, honoured by the Crown, the bonour- :ible ieci|)ienl of a title in recognition ()!' bis b,ng services, honoured 'ly bis (r.vn I'liivince as a gre.'U and a good and a leiiiiied man. and eminent .Indue, bad lied and foully lied, be bad lied in his thioat, that he was a calumniator ; and that Jusiice Desbarrcs was u caluin'iiator, that Justice DoHbarroH was a liar, becau.-e tlnv (old Sir /> Ilasfings l)oyle Ibal that gentleman %, ncd, but >Iv pliico i bo vory n. Tlioy His lion. looking d not rind such lan- voryliody «i c' 1 iiirs, )i's, and so-and-so, IMI(lillOO(i SupiN'mo the (.'hief a liar and iNod this r motive, )ssihh; nio- his goiiLlo- was jioiiti- tho L^i'ound 'aim ]iarti- fill' lion. not, in his id liiinsolf if William , Jones) say ko al out it. lliat laii- U ho would • whon tlio )wn. That liof'Jiistico, head d' the Iniiiil lored liiial. ;;i tlio and a man D'lkl ilrfi'Tld )|H'rty, till I man in iSootia, in- in liiinsolf. I to. -ay that tandiiiij, of I ]>osition, inourud by ho ,poo|)lo, ho honour- roco^nitiun ivd '.y his Hid a i^-ood noiit.liiduo, had liod in iliimniator ; ros was a r)oshai'i'OH • told Sir jfcnilt'inaii . i (Mr. Jones) did siiy that he would cheer and wave his hat when the British flag was pulled down from the citadel. Then there was the evidence of Mr. Thompson on this point ; hut Mr. Thompson, it seemed, waH a .son-in-law of the great .To.seph IIowo, and, there- ibre, unworthy of belief. Although the hon. gcntlein'.in had said all this, he asked the House if they were asked to take the statement of a criminal again.st all these witnesses; the state- ment of a man on his trial as to the truth of a statement, against the state- ment of all (he witnesses, on his coming before the country and the House to ask thorn to do so? But the country and the House would not do so. The country and the House and the people of Canada would believe to their dying day that tlio.se gentlemen told a true story, and that Sir Hastings Doyle, (Jovernor of the Province of Nova Scotia, and Commander of the Forces, believed that statenu-nt. The hon. gentleman said that Sir Hastings Doyle would be shocked at the base use made ot his letter; but that gallant old soldier had written that letter to his hon. friend (Mr. Tapper) for the very purpose ot making this charge public. When that letter was written it wao written to be pul'ahed and dis- seminated. His hon. friend had Old}' done what Sir Hastings Doyle bad intended should be done. Sir Hastings Doyle had written that letter in order that he might inform Pai liament, and show to the country what fashion of a man this was,who was coming up to take the oath of allegiance to his Sovereign, whose flag ho would cheer if it wore pulled down. Then there was Mr. Vail. Surely the Premier, who had selected him as a man of honour, as a man of integrity, as a man whose word should be believed, would not let Mr.Vail's word be disjiuted, though they were asked to consider that the Chief Justice, Sir William Young, Judge Desbanes and all these other men were unworthy of belief. He (Sir John A. Macdonald) had supposed that his hon. friend the Minister of Justice would have felt it his duty, whon this attack was made iiiion the character of the Juilges of Nova Scotia, to have risen in his place and defended thorn from such accusutions. It seemed to him that it was the duty of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Laflamme), when those Judges were branded as liars and scoundrels, to defend Sir William Young and Ju.wfice Desbarros from the attack made on their honour, their honesty and their integrity. But the hon. gentleman had sat still. He did not know if the hon. the Premier would allow the same attack to be made on the veracity and the honesty of Mr. Vitil. That gentleman was u white Vail when bo was a Minister, but he did not know whether ho had become a black Vail -'.nee the unfortunate atlair of Digby. He (Mr. Vail) hatl retired into private life, buthedid not suppose that ho hatl sutlored any dishonour — he had been merely unfortunate. It had been the fate of the hon. gentleman (Mr. Vail), to fall at the election. This had very nearly been his (Sir John A. Macdonald's) fate at his last elect. on, and he was told by some hon. gentlemen that it was going to be his iPate at the next election. Those things would hapyjen ; and yet, the day after he had fallen, the daj' after his mis- fortune, he was just as honest, just as worthy of belief, and just as veracious, as the day when he held office and was a sworn adviser of the repiesentativo of his Sovereign, and the bosom friend and colleague of the hon. gentleman opposite. Notwithstanding this, the hon. gentleman (Mr. Jones) declared that Mr. Vail was u man unworthy of belief. The hon. gentleman said that any man who repeated the statement in question was a foul slanderer. Well, Mr. Vail had repeated that statement, and Sir Hastings Doyle had repealed it. _Mr. JONES present. Mr. Vail was not Sir JOHN A. MACDONALD; The hon. gentleman said that whoever originally made the statement or repeated it was a slanderer and a liar. Then Mr. Vail was a liar. The hon. gentleman had recommended and put Mr. Vail into the Cabinet, because, at that time, it was not convenient for him to take his place in the Cabinet. Mr. Vail was sent there and juit into the Ministry in order to keo|) tho scat warm for his hon. friend (Mr. Jone) for fear that the eggs should addio. F 1 !t 70 Ho (Mr. Viiil) s:tl o.i the eggs until tho ho!i. geiitleriiar wan ready to hatch them. lie (Mr. Johoh) put Mr. Vail into tho Government, uiil now ii appeared thoro was no one so poor as to do him roveronco ; and it was strange inwlntan nncoromonioub manner tho hon. • cntleman had been shoved out into tl.o cold. At this time the boD. gentleman (Mr. Jones) took a little journey, and rode a little more, as the hon. the Premier would say, than a Sabbath-day's journey,on his way to Ottawa, in order to supply Mr. Vail's place. It looked very like it. Scant courtesy had been shown that gentle- man (Mr. Vail). In Ireland, when a criminal was about to be beheaded, after sentence had been passed, he was accustomed to pray to the Lord, to give him a long day. The hon. gentleman had nut given Mr. Vail a long day. To be sure, when he first came into the Crovernment, thoA' were told what an able man bo was, what a valuable ac- quisition he was, what additional strength he was to tho Government. Among the Ministerial supporters of Nova Scotia, they were told that Mr. Vair8Buper-eminentabilities,8uper-emi- nent qualities, and the eiaim.s, the paramount claims, which he had upon tho Government, for the position to which he was invited — although he was a perfectly new man in tho House, and although, previously, he never sat in the Dominion Parliament. They did not give Mr. Vail much time to think about it, and, although they said that when he came into the Gov- ernment he would be an additional strength to the Government, it was a relief to the Premier to get rid of him, and it was said that to got rid of him would also additionally strengthen tho Government. Ho evidently had not proved to be so much of a soldier as it was thought he would, and his in- ability to carry the Militia Estimates, which the Premier had to do for him, did not speak well for his acquain- tance with his Department. He (Sir John A. Macdonald) did not think that the late Minister of Militia should have been appointed, but at the same time he held that he should not be called a liar or a foul slanderer because he happened to repeat the accusation a<^'ainst tho member for Halif: x, and because he had been unfortunate, it was said ^ lii:\! tin.' road to a certain pimo was paved with gO(xl intentions, and it seiMued lliai Mr. Vail had been busy )a\ing. Ti ue, it niinlit bo, as Mr. ill saiil, that Mr. Jonys would rhoer wlion tho flag was pulled down, hut that he (Mr. Jouos) said ho did not want to fight England, he only wanted to fight Canada. England and the Dominion must be Hovored in order that Canada and N >va Siotiu might fight. But, said iho Minister of Militia, if that was a little rebellious, if there was a little treason in it, Sir George Cartier was, at one time, u rebel too. Could such a defence as that be set up in the Parliainont of Canada? There was, at tho time that Sir George took up arms, a groat struggle, and some of those who took up arms paid tho penalty of thoir act by dying on the scatfold or in the field. He (Sir John A. Macdonald) did not believe the hon. gentleman would have boon bold enough to talvo up arms as Sir George Cartier did. The hon. tho Minister of Militia was like mine Ancient Pistol, who spoke bravo woi-ds at the bridge, but who was dis- missed for cowardice. Ho could sjjoak brave woi-ds at the bridge, ho could say that he would choer when the flag was pulled down, but he would not take up arms and pull it down. And,in his desperation now, ho insulted everybody standing higher than him- self, and brought charges against tho hon. member for Cumberland which he could not prove. It would not do, and, so long as he was in Parliament, and had anything to do with ino afllairsoftho Dominion, it would bo roraerabored by every loyal man that he was the man who, becau^e tho Provinces wore united by Conloder- ation, was an.xiou8 to sot Nova Scotia against Canada, and to sever tho con- nection between the British Crown and the Dominion in order to bring that about. The country must boliovo the evidf ce of Sir William Young, Judge DosbaiTos, Mr. Thompson, and his (Mr. Jonns's) friend and colleague, Mr. Vail. The country would say that he had been guilty, and as long as he was in the Cabinet, tho country would say : there bits a Minister of Militia who said what was treat:onable, and has not ropontod of it at this moment. MacLwa Roffer & C*., PariianMotarjr «ad Depaitmtntal Printm, Ottawa, Om. U t k k ^^^n