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 Mr. WALLAOB. I regret, Mr. Speaker, I to engage In their old work of Aenaitelu 
 tbat tbe discussion Is precipitated on the For, in all their history, In the hlitoi^' 
 
 first reading of the Bill, as tbe contract In- this Pafliament there never has been in| 
 
 ▼olves a dlscussIoQ, a somewhat full dis- an outrageous proposition submitted 'tdi| 
 
 cussion in responsth-to the invitation of the as this. 
 
 Minister of Railways, without our havij^g Wlicn I saw the advance poiten Ik^ 
 
 the advantage of reading the documeoTs, or ten days ago In the " Globe" nei 
 
 and without pur having had an opportunity I thuuji^ht it wn»«uch a very bad baiV 
 
 to weigh the ''various propositions involved 
 
 In the contract and in the BiU. I can was laid bare by the Minister of 
 
 I had no idea of the full iuiquity of jti 
 
 assure bbn. gentlemen opposite that I am 
 
 not at all envious at seeing? them sit upon 
 
 that side of the Houses But while the 
 
 hon. member for North Wellington (Mr. 
 
 McMuUen) was Bpea'iing, I did regret, and 1 1 Canadian route ; that the otiuir 
 
 regret now that just for one short week | Nos. 1, 2, ^ and 4 though they hn/ip 
 
 these gentlemen were not on this side of ; advahtagesj and although be said 
 
 attempting to defend It while RUImilt 
 to the House. W,hy, he told ti» 1 
 course of bis spegcb that tbe great 
 of this particular rallWiay was to 
 
 tbe House. Remembering as we do their 
 denunciations, their numerous objections 
 In discussing everything submitted by the 
 late Government, I knoW that many of 
 them are sorry that they are not here so 
 that they might give vent to their Indigba- 
 tlon. 
 
 'Mr. TAYLOR. Nami^ 
 
 Mr. WALLAOD. Namef Well, the hon. 
 mismber for North Norfolk (Mr. Obarlton), 
 
 tbe hon. member for North Wellli^^n (Mr,-tee8, Is In United States twrft^pr' 
 Mf^ullenk the hon. member for North nnonKniKui ha aAntt4*^^ :-*i.I* ■».-.;., -ft 
 
 U<^iiUen), the hon. member for North 
 IdUDbton (Mr. Zilfrter), the Minister of Oiuk 
 Jpwpil (Mr. PatersoD), and the hon. member 
 
 ^^QpMMoai^ (Mr. Fraser). X could 
 
 
 jhem had tindeniable advantages OTt 
 route,they all- had this disadvantage that 
 went in part through American t« 
 But when he was questioned on the _ 
 when be was asked as to the navl^t 
 this river he bolted, he hesitated aSS^l 
 made a guess. But the fact la til 
 road commences about 125 mile* 
 Stlkln0 River. AccoitUng to the 
 tleman'B own statement. Fort WttBL 
 which the navigation of th^ rivdr 
 
 questioned, he admitted that Qcani<i 
 conid not eaU np the SttUna minifJ 
 their carsoes mnst be t ' 
 point at or near Fort Wt 
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 Mon ft, Indepeifdltnt of hli ■fateiusnt. 
 tllt'hoD. MInlater Myi that If you go 
 tiM harlmiir at Fort WraiiKoll and tran- 
 t Itroducta there to a river Htcamer you 
 .bare undoubtedly to pay the American 
 t en thoM go'MlH la order tn t)iiiiK them 
 Oanadlai territory at the fM'KlnnliiK of 
 nllway. Before these Keiitlemeu come 
 the House of CommoiiH and the peo- 
 ot Oanadn and .say that they are makiuff 
 .4iontract for an all-Cana<llan route thev 
 Id be prepared to show that It Ih really 
 alt-Oanadlan route.- TJiey are not able 
 _IMjr that with reward to this contract. The 
 " ter of Railways himself says that the 
 must l»e tranHhlppe<l and when tran- 
 pped must pay duty. Knowing the 
 iMuis as we do, knowing the history of 
 jr Jntercourse with Canadians, knowing 
 I jOtttAtage they have taken of Canadians 
 ITwy opportunity, wo know tha* we can 
 •ipect any concessions or favours from 
 Oarrylng out the law they will have 
 power, according to the Minister of 
 Iways and Canals, to levy the America i 
 on every dollar's worth of Canadian 
 I sent up the Stiklne River, though we 
 the free navigation of that river for 
 •r, thanks to the foresight and preselence 
 the late right hon. Sir John Mncdm^ald, 
 !• Go'vemment has to demonstrate, an tliey 
 Vm not yet done, that It Is a Canadian 
 to In reality before* they can expect to 
 til© approval of the House of Commons 
 the people of the country for this contract. 
 ^ -The Minister of Railways and CnnalH has 
 ^niled to prove that point, and thi'ret<)n> 
 ^I My the House must pause, the llims*' 
 iu^\. wait for the information before they 
 approve of a contract whlcl>, while it 
 heralded as an all-Cnnadian route. The 
 JBter 01* Railways and Canals hirnself 
 de I onstrated to-day that it Is not on 
 kOanidian route In tire sense In which Ave 
 Ired It to be, that Is, giving ns free a c- 
 through Canadian tenitory for Cnna- 
 Rooda without paying duties to Amerl- 
 ctistora-houses. 
 ^Now, there is another consideration. 
 Iflphe Government say that. In considering 
 contract, they were brought face 
 face with a case of urgency fraught 
 prtth many disastrous rossibllltles. In 
 first place, they say, ihey had to 
 »T^e ifor the administration of justice In 
 It country, and that If we wanted 
 fend up North-west Mounted Po- 
 , we could not do so unless: we had 
 Bportatlon facilities by which to send 
 »ni. That caRs to mind the fact that 
 Jor Walsh, who hon been sent up /here 
 administer affalrsTn the Yukon territory, 
 not arrived there yet I cannot give 
 exact date, but I think I am correct In 
 that his appointment was made sev- 
 months before he started for the Yu- 
 and during this (time he was goltig 
 n A the conntry . — I h ope the Govern- 
 
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 North-west Mounted Police accompanying 
 him remained here for two months after 
 their appointment before they started for 
 this district, knowing the severity of the 
 winter, and knowing all the conditions that 
 prevalltMl there, making travel In the win- 
 ter season tlitllcult, if not inipoHslble. Hpeak- 
 Ing from memory, his appointment wan 
 made In the month of Auauist. and he and 
 his prtrty did not stirt on their trip until 
 almnt 0<'to»»er ; fully two niontlis ehipsed 
 from the tini" of his appointment until he 
 was sent away. Well, the «'(»nse<iuence has 
 been what mlirht have been expected, that ' 
 he has been stayeil on the route, that ho 
 has gone a short distance towards his des^ 
 tinatlon, and that he and his party are notv 
 I tied up on the route, far away from Daw- 
 I son City, far away from those thousands of 
 ; pi»ople for whom he wasnniulred to admin- 
 1 Ister law ond order. But, Sir, Judging from 
 I the history of other portions of this coun- 
 j try, judging from what hos l»een done 
 I eluewhere, there is not much danger 
 I uUtler the British flag of law and 
 1 order belnsf set nt defiance. Do we not 
 ! know that at Rossland. In Britlsh^olura- 
 I bla, therejs a population composed of simi- 
 lar elements, sometimes called a lawless 
 population, a large portion, at any rate, of 
 which is composed of miners and adven- 
 turous spirits, and no strong force was re- 
 quired to keep them In order ? The state- 
 ment has been Made— and I believe It Is 
 true, because I have been there ni.vHelf and 
 know the circumstances— that In Rossland, 
 with Its 0,000 > of population, only one con- 
 stable was needed for the whole commun- 
 ity. Law and order prevail, and a man's 
 life Is just as safe there as It Is In the.clty of 
 Ottawa. People could travel round at any 
 hour of the day^ or night, and without any 
 fear of being molested. However,,! think It 
 Is quite a proper safeguard to send 
 a forde to the Yukon territory, a 
 moderate forw. not one involving such 
 an etjormous expense ; because I think 
 the returns will Show that the ex- 
 l)ense of sending so larg»> a force up* 
 there at the tlino has been very great, and 
 that It was not a wise arrangement to have 
 made at that time. Now, Sir, I come to 
 another lmj)ortaiit point, the necessity for 
 building this railroad and for making the 
 bargain the Government have made with 
 the contractors. The Minister of Railways 
 told us that the estimates that hod been 
 made of the number of people who are liiie- : 
 ly to go In there; he did not venture to 
 mak& the estimnte himself, but be told us 
 tiiat men who ought to know, men who had 
 given ^ the /transportntlon problem a grea,t 
 deal of attention, expressed thiV opinion that 
 250,000 people might be goltig Into the Yu- 
 k>n Irijihe jear 1898^ while conservative 
 estimates, niade by these same gentlemen ' 
 would not reduce the figures to less than 
 100,C00. Bat, said h e , taking half of th e 
 
 win explain the reasons why Major 
 and th6 officers and men of the 
 
 lowest estimate that was made, look at the 
 enormons number of people that wonid re* 
 
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 abnoliitn nwoHHUy of n mllwny tuMng biillt 
 
 in thpr«. Ii«<ik, Hiitd ho, nt wimt Ih kIvch 
 
 to thew nn'ii for building a rnllwny tlirouKli 
 
 thin country, not n ronntry wlion> n tni<h! In 
 
 to Iw Itullt up liy Hlow tIcjxrcoM, n<»t a conii- 
 
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 liKrl(Miltural roiiiniiuilty, hut on«> bclnu 
 
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 country wlildi may nV«'IVf nn InMux of 
 
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 Speaker, no <>annot toll yi't wlmt tlicy aio 
 
 to got for huildlnn: thin railway. Wo an> 
 
 not told wliat the company l« to ti*'t fnr 
 
 these HteanierH which ihey ar<» to Inijld. 
 
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 cheap traniwiiy that they are polnjr to hiiPd. 
 
 ft 5.000 a mile, which I haT« no heHlt.ulon 
 
 In Baylnp will amply Hutllce to build tluit 
 
 road, yon have, two and a qunrtcr millldn 
 
 doIlarH, and .von can add « million t« that; 
 
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 It belHR Six o'clock,^ thq ap(»nkpr >ff the 
 Chair. ^ 
 
 
 After Recess, 
 
 Mr. WALtiACKJXMr.,#peftkor, when you 
 left the Chair r liad.foferred to the fact, 
 which I lamented ivrid which I am sure the 
 House and the country will regret, that the 
 Goyt^riunent when they came down with 
 this Important proposition, and Bubmltted It 
 to the IIouRC, were not; able to present a 
 dejrly cnt statement as to the facilities for 
 bplOKlnj? In Canadian goods Into Canadian 
 territory. Transhlpnient could take place at 
 Fort Wranjfell, under direction of the Ameri- 
 can customs autborltles. The Minister of 
 Rail|ways hod to confess that If tranship- 
 ment took place at Fort Wrangell the Ameri- 
 can duty would have to be paid, but he 
 expected that out In the open sea they cotild 
 transfer goods froin ocean steamers to 
 flat-bottom steamets, but would have to go 
 up the Stiklne River Into American terri- 
 tory where the American Government would 
 not permit transhipment or business to take 
 place. It was claimed for the contract and 
 the Bin presented to this Ilonse to-day as 
 its great merit that the proposal is for an all- 
 Canadian route, signifying and conveying 
 the impression through the country that "this 
 route has nothing to. do with the American 
 customs or anything to do with United 
 States control. I was proceeding to call at- 
 tention to the contract itself. I had referred 
 to the fact that the cost of the road, IRQ 
 miles .of construction, would Involve nn ex- 
 penditure/of $15,000 per mile, and I assume 
 that as an outside estimate for this nnrrow- 
 ^uge trjtmway which has been proclaimed 
 by the Prime Miniister himself ai^ only a 
 temporary structure. Taking the cost at 
 
 » lB.00O/|>eir m ile, the total expenditure 
 theraoii would be $2,250,000, and, aUowlng 
 a vert large margtn indeed, thd-«qet of tbe 
 
 cbonp flAt-lMittom ■tenmera for rlT«r ,«, 
 mitiht i^ placc<l at |l.fl(M),00O. making 
 totiil expenditure for railway and staa 
 |.'l,'.ir><),(KK). The coat of operating the 
 for one year might \h> placed at |7B 
 Which Is aiNo a very extravagant eetli 
 and this would- place the cost of road 
 structlon. ^tcnnicrs an<l operating exp4 
 for the wITole of one year nt |1.000,00a 
 Ih the rcMiioiiKlblUty that McHMr*. Macki 
 & Mann have undertaken. It la no 
 II large tntciprlMe-lt Ih so large that 
 frightened llie tlovernnient fr01h undeil 
 lug It. Ilul looking at the other side Of 
 lih'ture. and tnking the figures which 
 Minister of Hnriwa.vH has given as a coi 
 vallve estimate, and not taking 250,000 
 pie as the nulnher that will be transpoi, 
 iicconling to the estimate of transportat 
 companies. Into that country during the 
 sent year, 1808. but reducing the naib, 
 yto 100,0(M>. how do the figures stand as to 
 celpts from the railway and steamboatf 
 tor they bave got into operation ? The 
 suit will .'ipptar like this. One hnndl 
 thousand passengers will pay' $100 each, ( 
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 I it at that llgure. Those people going In 
 
 thus pay sjflO.fHKMMKK Assume that one-l 
 ' the number should return during the 
 people will be going and coming cons,.u.M 
 -and pay the same rate, but they will hfil 
 ' to pay higher no doubt going up than « 
 I Ing down, there will be |5.00(),000 from L 
 sengers making the return trip. Taklagi 
 estimate of the Minister* that every M 
 per will require a ton of frt>lght and pUm» 
 it at tlio rate of .$50 per ton, the receipts U 
 (ler that he<i(l would be 1^5,000.000. The rattt 
 freight as well as passengers would' 
 gauged and controlled by the competit 
 which Mie company would liave to mi 
 What would be that competition? Th 
 Is the overland route, and we know the 
 ormoiis sums these people have to pay. ♦L 
 Minister of the Interior no doubt will col 
 down wltli a very large account for i 
 vl rs In cariying in freight for the QoT« 
 ment, Thi' public press reports that tfaei 
 of talcing In a few tons of freight wa« 
 000 to the (Jovoniment ; I do, not know wl 
 ther that Is correct or not, but the preiai 
 port.'* that expenditure. Another comn 
 tor fov passengers and freight would be 
 route by the Yukon River. In order 
 reach there vessels have to sail from Vl 
 tf.ria about 2,tiOO miles to the moi 
 of that river. It is 1,700 mllee 
 that river In addition before ^Canadian 
 ritory is reached. The river Is filled 
 shoals and sandbars, it Is exceedingly 
 gerous navigation for river steamers ; v 
 is very scarce along the route becanae , 
 latitude is so very high, and there are 
 numerable difficulties in connection 
 
 tlie route. Steamers are only able to 
 one trip a year, and sometlmea they c 
 make even the rpuqd trip, so the e;i 
 
jiolaff that wajr ta exc««<llaffl* high. 
 
 ■ rnUwy roniimnT will r«tful*t« rt« rate* 
 
 "-^n* to tbo ooiiipi.»|t|,fii which I hAre 
 W. Wlx'u I pliuo tint mt«»i At 1100 
 
 rp«M«»ugor niul irw) |„.r ton for fnslKht. I 
 pMcluir tlicm much In>I«>w tli» nKiirnii 
 
 — «. Takliitc, th««n. tho rt'colplii rts $m,. 
 ' from piiHiHuiffflra comlnjr In, |5.<I0().0CK) 
 pmutu'ugvrn koUik out. tnkinff tlio 
 
 Iht at UMUMM) tonii nt f^ por ton th»> 
 
 rtpta durInK INON would ronch |1»0.(K)0,<)00. 
 
 »_^ • total «xi>«u«llturo for fho ooniitruclloii 
 op«rntlo« of (li« roo.l for tho yt-rtr iind 
 — DUUdlDK of RtofimotA and nil oxponiioN I 
 'SS f* IMXM),tKM). lcuvln« tin «'nori»onM 
 Bflt for the contrnotopx. mu RuppoHliur 
 It lnBt«'nd of 'Jr)().(KM) pooplo. wlih-h tlu* 
 Iniater IndlonttMl nn tho nuriihir llkoly to 
 
 ^100,000 upon which liill(<r iiiiiiihor 1 huvo 
 
 He thin cilculntlon anil out thnt niimhor 
 
 two. let UH ninkc a nilrul)i(l..ii on 
 
 a lowor onflmalo tlmn In mH<l« hy 
 
 ^-♦^ m*''' «•• »ny rompotcMit nu- 
 wlty. 'Iho nH'(.fr)tH from .Iikimki poHson 
 
 i>---^? .•*1*^' '^"y*"ff for tho on«v ycnr a net 
 mm ot |().0(H)3i(K). over all <«xiM.n.||.",".s 
 '|Wt w© nre tokf thnt thoy aro cntonMlHlnj: 
 
 *.i'T*"' ■"<* ♦'•■* *»»• OoTMi»n«ot baa 
 proTlded that tho lino ahall Im throe milea 
 at tho lmM> nnd oitoiullng up whororor tlm 
 conipnny clMMmow to loi-nto. Tho «<<»in|Miny 
 ^nU of .onrno. hxato rlRht away, luul wh«n 
 
 > 
 
 •*v^.^".'*"^*' ^'*'"'" •'•"'•■ »■'»•( tines an.l llviw 
 
 , their hands,/; thnt tho (Jovoinmont. with 
 
 l^he inforinfntlon from infnorH who havo 
 
 -ught down^KoId. Avith fho roportu of thoir 
 
 TJ![l"fK**7,l'"^ oxooodln« rlchnoBJ* of fho 
 
 atry, thcynovornmont woro vot afraid t6 
 
 ae the ^uoBtlon. Ktit In addition to jrlv- 
 
 l«C 5, fo«>trnctor« <ontrol for this vonr 
 
 ^S?-i2f3/"7'l*''^« *'"'"' <'""tfo>. «nd ox: 
 ¥f^7 ^ntrol. for ynars to oomo ovor this 
 
 SSW'J* rf!f"'? ^'"' «'«-OlnK of pn««on- 
 "0^ and frolffht. What moro do thev fflvo 
 keae crtntrttctorH ? i am nioro than ainaz.Ml. 
 '^^ '^7« /»»rt l>y the hoo. mombor for 
 WelllniBrton (Mr,. MoMtdlonl. whoso 
 I nm afraid. In obsourod by thnt 
 at noprlna. that Mr. Oqllvlo n^portod 
 SVji^®'® ^*'' ^25.0()0 squnr*. mlloH. or 80^ 
 WWO 'acres, of this Kold-boarhiff country. 
 *i. '^''""* AVould 1)0 onlv ono^ ncio 
 
 » S7®° •^' ^' ^^'^ ''"°- nionihor'for North 
 relllng^on gives thftt as his oplukm and 
 otes It to affirm Its truth, thon ko much 
 > niore consuto upon the Oovonimont 
 at they were afraid to undertake the 
 WK Instead of jrJvlnff those contractors an 
 -MrmouH quantity of Rold-boarinff lands for 
 . eonalderatlon whatever, because If the 
 •mber for Welllnjftotk Is rlpht, the very 
 later to bujld the road aijd run the stonra- 
 I on the roqte would give them more than 
 jjroper recompense, Sti#Mr. Speaker, 
 Ikt »l)Ottt those three and three-quarter 
 "'*T« of acres ? The hon. member for 
 WeUIngton (Mr. McMullen) tried to 
 1^ *w«™on liway from the fact that 
 
 ^ vr - J ^ * country ta placer mining, lo- 
 in tbe beds of the rlrers and In the 
 
 1, , *' •■»%•■» nw^i\j, mill wiiwn 
 
 hoy do loottto thoy Hii» to havo hlmkii of 
 t iroo nilloH by nIx ndl»>*«. or In nil .T.'.5 of 
 ll»w I,|,M-ki». Ah tho MinlHtor ox|>lHln.>d 
 Uiaiifhoy havo lo take nn aroa of hIx nijlog 
 by twonfy four ndlvs, of wlibli ilio (Jovorn. 
 monf NhnJI havo ono-half and tho coutrnc: 
 bHM f lo oiiior half, thon. on noofmiU of 
 thoMo blo<kH. Mix by twuty-four uiIIom, ox- 
 loiiillnur up llio ilvor twoiily four nilloH, the 
 ••oinpany will tako' pohhormIou of Junt HI 
 1 Ivors Ff I hoy tako forfy.ol«ht mllos. or 
 twice tho dintiinco up tho rivor. tlM«y will 
 Havo forty of thoHo InunotiHoly rich ci-ookn 
 such as Bon,i'i7.a Trook. a'i<i tJioso othora 
 
 ".'"* .^''';.J*'"'^'*'' '" '''" '"I^vrt. icIlM ut 
 about. Tho (Jovoruniont now IoIIm um that 
 this \vn< n oano of urK<«ncy. Why, thoy 
 Hiow of the rIchnt'HS of this tountry huig 
 au«. Thoy had tho roports of Mr. Offllvie 
 lis oarly as .Inly last, and thoy had tl» 
 people roturnhiB from (hat countrv >\lth 
 groat (piniitiHoH of >told. TiU' Int'or ovl- 
 dom-o IH only ofmllnrtatorv of (ho ovidonce 
 ,«lvoii lonn aKo. Ix'cauNO iUvnif rich dJNcov 
 rorfos havo b<'on made l'<»r yoars. I roniom- 
 bor (luit In l,si».-». tlvo years ajro. I wont a 
 cuHtoMis olllcor up thoro, and the llrst year 
 ho returned fotir or Iho lltoilsimd dojlam 
 In oustoiiiH rovonuo, which has be««n In- 
 croasjnw" year by year In consofineuco of 
 the nunibor of pooph* Kolng in there. How- 
 ovor that niay be. tho enormous richos of 
 .that country wore clearly ostabliHhed In 
 Docomber. 180(1. nnd the news of It came 
 out to clvMlzatloM In July. 1807. Hero la 
 Mr. OkIIvIc's reiwrt : 
 
 Twonty-one above dlsfiovery on nonanza wa» 
 the one which first proved the value of the dU- 
 trlct. Tho owneil of this claim wbh In the habit 
 of cleaning up a few tubfulR of dirt every nlKhl 
 nnd paylns: lil« workmen at the rate of a dollar 
 and «(, half an hour. Claim No. 5t, Bl Dorado 
 next produced a pan of $57. This was succeeded 
 by one of upwards of $80. Then come ona of 
 8112. Soon after, claim N6. 16 showed up a pan 
 of $212. , " »••" 
 
 One pan, held lit n man's hnnd nnd the 
 gold shaken out. retnrned $212. Why. lam 
 told that rt i»nn yleldhig 10 or 20 cents makes 
 It profitable enough for a mail to earn f 10 
 or .$20 a day, while here Is a single pan 
 making $212. 
 
 And this Is what caused the lnten«e exclte- 
 meht^ln that country. I believe the excitement 
 outside was even greater than It was there. The 
 news went down to Circle City late In December, 
 and It at once emptied itself and came up to 
 Dawson. The scenes of the Forty-Mile rush were 
 repeated. Tho miners came up any way they 
 could, at all hours of Uie day and night, wl^ 
 provifllona and empty handed. " *• 7* 
 
 ?![^',,^.^^^ T!*-:^*? ^^'**° recognized for yeani 
 
 
 aa making moat conaerratire eatlmateg^ and 
 yet he aaya here : 
 
> 
 
 •04 lldondo GfMki K0ord iMtwMn 
 UMin tlH nUlma. ^ 
 
 Two liuiiflnHt ntifl m'fnnty «lght clnlniit. Mr. 
 BUMiknr, wouUl luil Im< hm many im itri< In 
 CludiHt In <in«»yof Jl»o»n> lhn>«> by n\x nilU'tt 
 clalnm of wlil<-h tlii< <-<)iitni<-ii)i-H iti'l H2«i to 
 diaIio u|) tholr tlircu nnU ttirovuuarttfr tnll- 
 llon «rri»«, 
 
 Thoir i«i«orfil ■miienta will yteM «■ many niorc. 
 and ntiAily all of ihMn i-lalttift/'liro good. I 
 hav« no'haaltntion In iayInK tli»t aliuUl a liun- 
 drnd nt thoan on llonanza wMI ylnld tip ward* of 
 |.10,04IO,(WM), and iilioiit thirty on tha Kldnradn 
 will yinid a lullllon «'«<h. Thadfl two crimloi will, 
 I am n'llto oonndunt, turn out frotii $(l(».000,00t» 
 - to |7B,(IOO,OQO. and I ran aafoly uny ttmt thiirn la 
 
 _^o otluir ri'Klon In (li« world that haa afTordnd ao 
 many Ikiuiii Htakca thnt In, fiirtiiniia iinalillnK 
 
 ' th« ownera to ko honix and onjoy th« ninmlndur' 
 of their daya at thuir oiun- ranaldorInK that tho 
 work haa had to bo dono with v«ry lUnltpd facll- 
 Itlea, tho acarclty of provlalona and of labour, 
 and thai the crudeat appltanctia only ar« aa ynt 
 
 — rvallablo. When I tall yon that to profmrly 
 work eanh Qlalm ten or twolvo man aro required, 
 and that only TiOO were available that aeaaon. It 
 will Klvu you an Idr^ of the dimcultlea which 
 had to be contondml with. 
 
 Mr, Oirllvle wIihIm iii) by Hnyiup ; 
 
 This will bo tho larRoat, aa It la probably the 
 rioheit, Kold flald thu world haa ever known. 
 
 Thnt IH tlic opinion of Mr. Oullvlo, nn<l tliat 
 la tlio n.-port upon wliW-li tho (Jovi'iiinu-nt 
 liavt) actviil. 'VMy toll iih now : Oli. xvo IiikI 
 to t'o Konc'thlnK. And wlint »ll«l llioy «li) V 
 Tlioy gave 5.8(K) Hi|iiaro nillcH of 11u'H«' vnlii- 
 abl<) clalmH, uot Hoattiuvd all over tlu'fomi- 
 try, but for evory ton nilloH of mad fiir 
 CQUtrnctors build, 1 hoy aiv ontitUul to drop 
 CH» th>lr dniiH, and I vHituro to nny tlmt, 
 while thby have nii niniy of railway build- 
 ers vorkliig there day and nlRht. tlioy will 
 Lave another nnny of prorfpoctors who will 
 take pOBRC«Hlon of nil those crooks that Hho^v 
 to be uny way rich. Does any one nicnii 
 to tell me that KIdorndo nnd Bonanza aro 
 ,. tV only creeks with enortnoUH quanlUlos 
 of gold ? No ; there nro othorH and othor», 
 and this company. havlnR the right to take 
 theeo for every ton nillos of road I hoy build, 
 will every flft(u>n dayn bo enabled to lake n 
 
 _ frosh claim. They will have'Kldorado and 
 Bouauza creeks Innumerable for this con- 
 tract. This Governiuont has jrlvon away 
 half of all the riches up thoro, and I shall 
 *how oleftrly that they have Klvon a laiRe 
 part of the other half away. too. 
 
 Now, Sir, how could this be a case of ur- 
 gency wheB the Government know all about 
 It In July ? They certainly know It In Au- 
 gust, and they did notbln^r They knew It In 
 September, October. November and Deoom- 
 ber, and. yet nothing was^lone. It Is true, 
 that the Minister of tWr Interior went up 
 there and started Major Walsh on his mls- 
 iio*i when It was Impossible to get through. 
 He ta now hundreds of miles from Dawson 
 
 .. Olty, wh e r e h e will hav e to r e main until 
 navigation opens In the spring, and perhaps 
 •f^r. all be will wait to get through on 
 
 tbia n«w railway and thla now llM •! 
 at 9.1 UN* ni. ^ 
 
 Hut wo wore told by thn Minlator of IU1I> 
 waya that lhi'< htd fried In t»vory way ttt 
 got thla oonlra<t aoooptod »>y tli*"**' f»ntl» 
 men. It wn« ninioat piithollo. Mr. Hpimk9tt'*J 
 to hoar the hon. gentloinan roolting to tbM ' 
 IfouNodho offitrts thnt they had mndP. Ili 
 KlH'd oonloua toarn wvldvntly. nnd boaougllt 
 these Kontlomoii to accept losa than 2{V.wO 
 acres pT-r mil.'. lie wihl that it was not 
 the spaHiiiodIc Hlio>l(llng of tonrs, but tbat 
 dny nfler day he waa Hiirroundod by a larwi 
 coinmltteo of tlie grentor nuinbor of tM 
 iiioniborH of the fnblnot. who ImplorM 
 those lianlhoarted ooiitriwtora to qonMnt 
 lo take lews than 25,(K(0 ncrcd p<^r mllo. 1 
 uni <iult« sure thnt nil tho tnenifM>r» of thm 
 Cnbliiot wore not pnMout. lain quite aur» 
 that tho MlnlHtop of Tubllc Worts (Mr. 
 Tnrte) was not lh>ro. lie had many otlMr 
 public duties to perforin. lie wna down 
 til the province of QuoImjc quelling ^la r»- 
 bellloti, lluhtliig his old-time frlendsi 'J Hf 
 had his hauls full. It appeared at oo« 
 time that his liniids wore more than full. I 
 am oerlalu that If the Minister of Pat^Uo 
 Works had been there he would not b«t» 
 consented to glv«< this mntiact to Memn. 
 Miu'konzio & Mann. Ho would bar* 
 undertaken the Job himself. He haa manj 
 Irleiids who aro on the lookout for aoiiM- 
 thing too, as past experience has proTCd» 
 nnd If they had known that these negotla* ^ 
 tlouB wore going on fi'om day to day ttMjT t-J 
 would have been JjAj'aU^l- ' Tho MInlater 
 of Hallways tolls Jra^rat ho was down on 
 his knees every di^|Bpseechlng these atony* 
 honrteil contractors to accept it "**'* Ie«» 
 than tiR.OOO acres a mile, nnd ho Implorad 
 us Oil this Hide of the House to say how 
 much loss we would have asked theae con- 
 tractors to tnke. Mr. SiHsaker, I would 
 have nsked them to take 24,000 acres a 
 mile loss than they got, and then tbay ^ 
 would have been getting an enormous profit ^vjj 
 I am sure that I am not speaking at random ^3 
 wheti I say that If the contractors of tllUkt;^^ 
 country had known that the Qovemmwit ? 
 were maklnjf a contract with some one, or ',» 
 were anxious to get some one toballd th« f. 
 railroad, ntid were offering such enortnona. -.J 
 such unparalleled subsidies, there wonld A 
 have been n hundred Such contractors in 'J 
 Ottawa within twentyrfour hours ready foi;^ 
 bid each other down, and to toke far leM 
 than these contractors are to recelvfe from r. 
 the Government. But, Sir, these negoti*>„ 
 tlons were going on ; the people of thla <"^ 
 country knew nothing about them; no on*,.- 
 knew that Messrs. Mackenzie & Mftnn>' 
 were in Ottawa, day after day, negotUtttng , 
 and planning to get this contract If tli«m. 
 had known It, there Is not a contrtwtor of J 
 n capitalist in this country wHo would "" 
 hove been willing to' put his money Into . 
 work without these enormous subsldiM^ 
 
 the richest mineral 
 ever seen. 
 
 land the woild 
 
 SS^bki^6)rM>k'- 
 
 
 
 f*?^ 
 
Now, Rlr, thM bon. MlnlM«r •«%• : " What 
 W««« w« to do T " Whj, Htr. arw th« 
 OoT«nimrnt ln<*A|i«l>l« of tnklnff miy artlont 
 Ras ttiM Kovortinifiitnl iiiiii'hlnivrjr l)roki*ii 
 dowD, ik> (tmt th<« (lovoriiiniMit nn« inca 
 Mlbl* of iiiKlortnklna niiytliliiK tlininiM>lvoM J 
 ■l«HwrN. MackiMixtti A Mniiti Iihtm Mur- 
 ronn<h><l tlioriiM>lvi>H with ('oin|H«lpnt iitiil 
 capahin •tiKliiiNtrN, with ntnttn of ••x|M*rl«>np<M| 
 morkiiKMi, Willi alt th«> niipllnncoN n«>('<«Hi*nr,v 
 for rnpltl rnllrdrul l)iill<llnK, ami (ho iUtV' 
 •mn»'»it •iiiild liftvo woiri'il Jho Morvltvn of 
 nwn llkn Mr. Maiiii or Mr. Ilanoy -lM<<-aiin«! 
 w« ITiivit (hn lioM rallromt ItiiililorM, I Ih>- 
 li«T«, In tho world to dfty— ni<*ri of export- 
 •ncd not only In our owti country, but In 
 •11 othor roiintrlfM. 'I'ho (hivorniiKMil oonld 
 luirA Koni) to thoNo nion and Maid to thoiii : 
 **Wo want to linvo tlil« road Itiillt nx ox- 
 fwdltlonnly nH money and appMiiii(>«<M can 
 do It, w© want yo'i to ni«p rvcry orTurt to 
 ff«t It bntlt, and wu will pay you lllH>mlly 
 and hAnd^omidy for your Horvlc«'« for nix 
 monthn or n yoar." Could not the tjovern- 
 Dicnt hiivo Hpcurod the xervloen of able and 
 competent men. of the very men who nro 
 dolnn thfi very kind of work In thiH coun- 
 try to-day ? Why. Sir. It In n reflection on 
 the OorePimont themNelren to nay that they 
 wore onnblo or Incompetent or unable to 
 undertake nuch a tank, when the nrsency 
 Of tho cnto required that Canada nhould l)e 
 np nnd dolnR. I»nt It appearH that they 
 wore letting the months ro by, one after 
 another, and dolntr nothing until the mniith 
 of .Tannnry came, when they said; "We 
 mnat n>e«»t Pnrllametit In February and 
 ■omethlniir mtu4^ !><« done, no that wo can 
 fo before Parliament and nay, nee wlint a ' 
 progreiwlve and enlljrhtened Oovernment 
 
 Ion hnHc." Even the Minister of nallwayn 
 InMcIf did not aeem to have any roporfn. 
 or any deflnltc knowledKo of tho nituatlon 
 or of the conntry throusrh which the road 
 «aa to be bnllt, or of the oont of tho road. , 
 He has not explained any of thene thin^rM 
 to thiB Houne, and I pronume It wan boeauHO 
 be had nothing to explain. But, Mr. 
 
 Speaker, thiri was tho course that «'as taken: 
 a rash, mad. headlonp;, precipitate barKnfn 
 was modjB without due cons!(1eratIon of tho 
 TOnsequenoes— kIvIuk away for tiothlii); the 
 ncbest koM flelds tho world has ever ncen, 
 and Rivin.r them away unneceHsarily ; be^ 
 cause plenty of men would have built ihin 
 road without ankln^ for any Kuch bonun. 
 
 Now, Sir, the bon. member for North 
 Wellington (Mr. McMullen) nald before six 
 o'cloclvtbat this was on excellent bnrRaln. 
 He said tbnt If tbene men do make money 
 they are risking enormously, an<l ho did 
 uot believe It was a good bargain for themr 
 According to the evidence ond the Infor- 
 mation we bavo, which Is reliable' and ac- 
 curate; they are risking nothing ; they are 
 folng Into as sure an enterprise as they 
 
 111 ventitni to say thi|t our gwMl friend 
 
 'was Hiniply npeAklng nti random. 11m told 
 
 UM further, ihitt not toh |>«r eoiit of the 
 
 orlglnul prumotun of th«^ hmhIs own theni 
 
 to-day. 
 
 Well, 1 <-hnrai-terliie that na a Hlmtlar stat*- 
 nu'nt. iH'cjiuNe I do not Whink the hon. gon- 
 llemjiM (Hii uii-titlon a Jrnad today which 
 1*4 In that cundlthm. If he can, I would 
 like to hear from hlih viimt one It In. Now, 
 Iherrt Im one other point, nnd I think It 
 Im a very l4U|)ortnnt one In counet-il(ui with 
 liie building of IliN r6nd. We qre told 
 that ihe (loverninent are Imponlng a royalty 
 of III |ier cent on nil the mines operated 
 by all udnerN ibrouirlHuit the country. Hut 
 ihlH company in not to pay 10 per Cent to 
 the Oovernnjent. but oiiU)' 1 per c«nt. Now, 
 Muppone Unit a mliK> In [being operated nnd 
 that It coMiN yiNil lo produce !|it<M> worth of 
 Uold, the 10 per cent llVey hare to pay to 
 (he (Ir)vernnM'yt will bmve the enterprise 
 without a dollar of protll to tlume who are 
 dealing direcl with the tWtvernnu-nl, but If 
 they deal with thin comnany, which only 
 payn I per cent, lliero will l>e a clear .prolU 
 of m per KHi. What more\v Take Kldorntlo 
 and Houan/.a ('reeks. wuer«> Mr. Ogllvie 
 cMtlmnlen will be taken out li*<lween |00,- 
 (MMMMNi and i|t7rt.<MN>,lMN). wliiit In to prevent 
 thin company going to theiii> men w^io are 
 iidnrng on those creeks and itnylng to them : 
 Drop your clnlnm with (he (sovernment, we 
 will take them np anc\ make n bargain 
 v\itii yon. We will divide tlie 10 per cent, 
 taking ft ournelven nnd nllowlW .vnu H, You 
 will thus save 5 per cent, ruid Mackenzie 
 i^: Mnnn vvtll make an equal aiiiount. That 
 can be done, nnd (he addlMonnt ndvnnlnge 
 to thene miners will be (hl«, Ithnt whereas 
 r.irh miner has to pay 1?IR for a" 
 Itccnse each year to th*» (}ov#rnment nnd 
 only pefs a yearly license that has to be 
 renewed with .the Oovei*nir\o|Jt ; In the 
 
 ♦ 
 
 I 
 
 '( 
 
 Mnpk«ale, 
 fee simple 
 
 [h<» Orowu 
 Ithout ntiy 
 no mining 
 
 iiovcrunicnt 
 n miner's 
 
 » »w w en t Into In their li v e s . — He tells oa 
 
 ' tbftt the experience of the United States 
 
 tatluu theae road* are not profitable. I 
 
 unoi 
 
 casi» of lands obtained frotn 
 
 it Mann, they will havft the] 
 
 for ever, they will have 
 
 (rrnnt trnnsrerrert to them ' 
 
 conclitlon, nnd h.ive to pay 
 
 liceuMc. Hut in the case of 
 
 mining hindn. tlie inl|ier must pfl 
 
 license, must work Til.s mine, and have the 
 
 license ren<»wed on his Halm every year. 
 
 So that there Is every Inducement to the 
 
 men on these claims to make another Imr- 
 
 Wiln, and make It w»lth Mackenzie & Mnnn 
 
 rather tlwui with the Government. That 
 
 r consider nn euonu«uis advantage to these 
 
 men. because It t.111 mflke It the Interest 
 
 of evei'y miner In the cotintry to pay tbem 
 
 tribute. 
 
 But the "Globe" newspaper. In comment- 
 ing on this scheme, told us that tlje Govern- 
 ment has wisely prevented agricultural lands 
 from being glTen to this syndicate, and has 
 p r otect e d th e farmeri; up In th e se n or thern 
 regions. Mr, Speaker, British Columbia ex- 
 tends to 30 degrees north latitude. All 
 
iKl frl«n4 
 lla told 
 it of tb«' 
 iwM thflm 
 
 llnr Rtiit*- 
 
 lion. ((AD- 
 
 ly which 
 
 I would 
 
 In. N(iw, 
 
 think It 
 
 lion with 
 
 •in* told 
 
 II roy II I ty 
 
 o|H>rtit««d 
 
 ry. Itut 
 
 r tfi»r»t to 
 
 It. Now, 
 
 ■a tod nod 
 
 worth of 
 
 <» piiy to 
 
 •ntorprlM 
 
 who are 
 
 It. but If 
 
 ilch only 
 
 mr ;proflt 
 
 KIdorndo 
 
 . OKllrls 
 
 oon |«I0,- 
 
 » pr«vont 
 
 w^io are 
 
 to thorn : 
 
 nuMit, we 
 
 bartcnlo , 
 per cont, 
 II n. You 
 Itirkonzle 
 nt. That 
 (Ivnntnfre 
 whoreai 
 
 for ft'V 
 lont nnd 
 an to bo 
 In the 
 rnckfllBle, 
 !• Hlinple 
 
 Crr)Wll 
 
 lout nffy 
 mlnUinr 
 i'oruniont 
 I iDlner'a 
 hnve the 
 ■ry year, 
 t to the 
 ther bar- 
 He Mann 
 That . 
 
 to these' 
 
 Intorest 
 my them 
 
 omment- 
 
 Oovern- 
 ral lands 
 
 and has 
 
 no r thern 
 
 tlMM "laiMIs which lb* Ch>TtniB>f«t Imito 
 ftv«n iiirtal tM« north of that till dovrvoN. A* 
 a uiatlrr uf fact', all th«i iiilnt>ii that hav» 
 be«n dIarovnrMi are proltnltly north *uf tVt 
 d«*gn>t'H. a region whi>rtt th<<ri> cnii Im* no 
 aKrlcnlliiri'. for lUli U |h<< Airllc <-lrcln a 
 region wlit>rt> tht>r«> U no (liriniiig tiinl no 
 n<*«'<'ii«lty to prot«>ct nnd to pri'Nrrvo agrl- 
 rultiirnl lanilH. Thi*ii«> contrnolorM do not 
 want ngrlciillnrnl IntiilH. What Ihoy want 
 la mining In'iidM. Th«>y hav«> H2Tt of thoao 
 cInliiiH, llirco iiilh-M by Htk iiiltt'M. 'ru«*y 
 hav«, wh*<i'«>v«ir (hoy may cIioono to a«>liH*t 
 thetii, an*l Ihi'y will iiniloiihti>dly iM>lt>('t thi'iii 
 at tlio pInt-i'M diMfovi'riHl to \m valiiablo 
 tiilning lorrltory. Why, ihoy can mt ihvir 
 landN up I'nlo aliiiotil lniiiiiiiPi-abU> mining 
 clalniM niul plac«>r dalniM. . I m«>(> by tlitt 
 mining rugulntlouH that a bar digging claim 
 may be llN> fi'cl wld«, and dry-dlgging 
 haa ^ to \w KM) feet. H«inaro, or oiiC' 
 fWth of ntt nrn*. tlrtwk atui rlvor rlatmi 
 nlay bo noil feet long and not more than 
 KM) feet' wide, which Ih Hoiuowliat Ichh than 
 an acre. The bench claim \n to hi* UNI 
 feet HqUare. or Icmh Ihaii oiiellftli of nn 
 acr»». Why. with 'jr»,iK»i> acre« for one mile 
 of road they could have 2rt,iMN) of thoHo 
 aoro claliiiH or 2.~.(MMl of tliOHc Nuuiller clnlnw 
 and be iiracllcally ownem of the country, 
 iM'canNo a Oovei^ment claim, Hiibjuct Uf 
 10 per cent royalty, Im not nearly ho dcHir 
 able a property aH tlie Ooverumeut contract- 
 ora' land with only one per cent royalty, and 
 with Iho fee Himple and no yearly llcenHo 
 to pay, and ut)ne of theae oneroua reHi)on- 
 ■ihllltlen with which thu Government may 
 saddle the placer and other luluea In that 
 country. 
 
 I iH'llove that the (Joverntnent hIiouUI take 
 some uieauH to efrectually return to Can- 
 ada a part of the largo expenditure which 
 they have Incurred nnd are likely t<» Incur 
 In the future In carrying on the (Jovern- 
 nient of the country, and In carrying out 
 the regulations which they have inipoHCd, 
 but It npitonrH that tiic llrHt regulntlonn 
 which they made Imve' been nl>rogated. | 
 New regulatlonH hnv»> been mnde. which, j 
 we are told, will be equally unHatlHfactory i 
 lu their results, and If It lye triie that the 
 contracloi'H liiivo only to pay I per cent. | 
 while thoHo worRlnj,' the (Joverniuent clniniB ^ 
 will hnve to i)ay U» per cent. I am quite 
 sure thnt will have the moat unHatiafnctory 
 teault. HO far a« the obtaining of revenue 
 by the (Jovermuent from these propcftiea 
 Is concerned. ' 
 
 Another point that I d'«l not understand 
 the Minister of Railway's reference to Is 
 this. The Parliament of Canada, at Its 
 Inst session, granted two charters for build- 
 ing railways from the Pacific Ocean Into 
 that #untry-. I would like to know from 
 the bmi. Minister what ^e proposes to do 
 with reifegence to these. » 
 
 ■lone. I iirmuiiiiM we ar« not foing to ia< 
 terfofn with any rightM glven^hy |>iirllani»Qt. 
 
 Mr. WAIil.AdK. 1 hey do not nt M,' 
 iKNi acr«s of mineral lands |w*r wlla. 
 
 The :urNlNTKU OV UAlt.WAYH AND 
 <^\N'AI.K. I think the protwblllthM WNt 
 rather agaliiNi (hat. 
 
 .Mr. WAI.L.vt !•:. The other one has tot 
 It all. 1 ihink there are two, ways la 
 which Ihu tlovvrninent have l>««n n«cll- 
 gent, and liavu not acted aa they might 
 have lo protect <;anadlan Intereats. Wo 
 have aeen during the imat aena«iu- and I. 
 |im aure It niuai liave Imhmi a matter of 
 regrei III every ('itnadlan that It was pMS 
 alaleiitly heraMi«rt Ihronghoul the world that 
 Ihia great (ulneiai weallii, theae great inlnea 
 of gohLvH'ere In Alaaka, in tlie territory of 
 III!' .Mftlfcd Htatea. And ! am told that 
 &m1ili', «iii the I'u title coast, la doing tho 
 iiirgeMl biiNliicHM in providing prtvat4> otlt- 
 IIIM and auppilea. What I b|/inie the OdT- 
 erniiieiit for la for not iiaving taken at«b« 
 In the llrat place, to let it be known throngb- 
 iiiit tile world that tlieae mlnea Were in tho 
 lloiiiliiioii of Canada, solely under CannilltHI 
 control, and tliat Canada wna going to look 
 after tliem in her own interest ami tho 
 iitereata of tlie Hrltiah people. And anothor 
 tiling and tlie leader of the Oppoaition (Sir 
 CharieM Tiipper) rererred lo that the other 
 day, and, for yiy part, I think it la one of 
 tii.f mimt lmp<»rtant inatterH that baa to bO 
 dealt with In regard to tiiat rich country— 
 wo fihouid treat the United 8tatea In tlila 
 matter exactly aa tiie f'nlte<| Hiates treats 
 ii'^ <'anidlnnH. 'I'iiey will not permit Caiia* 
 tllana to go In there aiid beivuiie free min- 
 ers mid to tak > ii|) tho mining lands as wo 
 permit them to do in Canada, and why 
 ahould we give them grenter privileges than 
 they are reudy to give Uh ? It may be quite 
 true that where Ve are Inviting people In, 
 where, wo nre ui'ging them to ccuiie in ana 
 nnalHt in developing the country, wo mnat 
 make ilberni regulntiona In order to accom- 
 pIlHh that end. Itut the peqple are ruahlng 
 to that country, tliey are boiind to get thin* 
 Not only are CinadlnijiH g«»lng there, bnt 
 people' froin tUe Kiiti^b lalanda end^TirlfTih 
 resident K from Africa, Australia and New 
 /eahiiid iind residents of t'oreign countries ao 
 well, I contend that the first d.ity ot thO. 
 Ooverniuent, seeing tiint there are such en- 
 ormous rlclies In that countr.v. w.js to prcH 
 cinliii tliat we will have reuuiatUiUA) reserr- 
 Ing tlies«' rK'iies for Hrltish subjects. But 
 tlie ffOvernmont jnstead of considering 
 these thlngH, instead of taking that loyal 
 and patriotic stnnd, linve; utterly neglected 
 their >i»port unities. Wfe fouml the- mem- 
 bora of the Qovemment scattered during' 
 recess, scarcely One of tn-'m being found In 
 Ottawa. They have utterly neglected their 
 datl e s In regard to thi s ' important ra a t f r . ' 
 
 '■■■ ?l 
 
 m 
 
 The MIinSTBR OP RAILWAYS AND 
 CANALS (Mr. Blair). We do not propose 
 do. aoyt^ng. Wo teave them aeverely 
 
 They allowed matters to drift along tdmotl^ 
 until the time that the House wm 
 Bit, and then they made a 'predpltnte 
 
 uSSt 
 
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 » y* 
 
 ,« 
 
vImii'afMr and not foirt •!■ liit ofc 
 MiA, llM people nre nubliig In 
 l_y6v>eoald not keep tbem lent, 
 Bvt you can make rcfralatiopR 
 'i^tvlll confine thts wealth to Britisb 
 W4 are told that the buBlnesls of 
 _jtiy U* lllpping into American chan- 
 piUEorti should be n}ade by tfie Got- 
 '|t to Often up avenues of ttade and to 
 ,t|lo; entry of Canadian goodn Into 
 .^nmtry. Few realise the enormous 
 |t^ o!r- goods consumed in a mining 
 tf^ Take, for instance, the West Koo- 
 (tcmntry. Bight years ago the cuntoms 
 dltf ndt amount to f!^ per day in 
 le of that country.. . To-day, as the 
 6f Onstoms will tell iyou, there is 
 Income of more than $1,000 every 
 p9e«Me«, there is an enormous quahtl- 
 "'Oanadian goods consnihed. This, for 
 Ition of 20,000 people^ gives an Idea 
 • MionndUB trade in such a country. 
 iiaaj- be with obr Yukon country, that 
 Mt «f countries, With its 100,000 people, 
 rill Mtlmated there will be at the end of 
 ling fwiason. This moans fipm $5,000 
 MKK) a day of customs duties to the 
 of the Government, besides the sale 
 liiunense qunntlty of Canadian goods 
 'eonntry. But^ so far there appears 
 . » ti^n apathy and neglect and utter 
 of etmslderation for the Interests of 
 hy this liberal, by this progressive 
 nent that we are told is always 
 tp the interests of the country-^but 
 fails to do anything when the oppor- 
 .^ pfCers. ■ ^ ■ 'I 
 
 i^ftiiTe lihown that tbe Government has 
 V» <»Iear^ut, deielBive knowledge, of how 
 idian goods are^ to go into that icountryv 
 If thla railTili^ were built to^morfow, 
 int paying American duties. They 
 gLventhls company a suhsldy by glv- 
 |ldlein pticticallx ^n exclusive right to 
 a road there which will yield them a 
 iMM-l have shown, of more than double 
 Mrt of 'the road in. the first year. They 
 jiving them untold wealth /in mineral 
 rwltfch they are handing over to them, 
 are neglecting .British interests. In 
 iiftMiIness operation in connection with 
 sltunntTy they 'have not consldwed the 
 its of the t>eople of Canada, but have 
 practically permitting the United 
 J to: control our business affairs. But 
 ;%«8 moriB humiliating fttlll. Sir, we 
 ^^sted In the papers th^t the American 
 ' k^t was sending (linp^lles in there 
 the wants of these people. Why,' 
 
 «»lor (Mr. SlflM) 
 ton to ooniult t)Mi 
 
 becanse the Seciretaiy of . 
 
 could not come up to consult 'irar 
 ment in the matter. What bad the 
 taty of War to do with giving tollef ^ti 
 starving humanity ? Are there no otiier 
 
 partments of the United States 0«veL_ „ 
 
 ifhal-ged with that duty ? The reason tll0to'. 
 action was, as I read It, that they wuatMr^ 
 to get a military foothold, they waoled tV'', 
 get some sort of possession of our Oansdiaa^ 
 territory. We know what tfiteir dealln0l -* 
 with^ Canadians and British people hat* I 
 been. They get a foothold here and h foot* o 
 hold there, and when they once get posse** i^ 
 sloa. It Is exceedingly hard to dispos seiM 
 them. "We were told by the Minister of tiM 
 Interli-r yesterday that ccgotiationa wen 
 going on at the present moment for Amerl' 
 cm troops without arms to go through Oan.- /j 
 adiah territory, so as to reach another pot^ 
 tion of ITuIted States territory. 1 shonUI 
 ■like to know what portion,^ I should Uke to 
 knew why this permission should be given, 
 or what necessity there is for their got 
 through Canadian tAritory, a prlvlleiEtv ^ 
 never granted to Canada by the Unittil ■>?> 
 States Government in the past, even whwl":;^ 
 it was urgently required. The Hlnisterofl 
 the Interior toli'. us that whatever right* ^ 
 we had would be sacredly guarded by th«; 
 Government, that he-oi^ould see to it that ^ 
 hone of the right$ihat Canada possesses t«>' i 
 days phonld be sacrificed to the .United J 
 Stated. I remember him st)eaking of that 
 In Kainloopsi and that sentiment was loud- 
 Iv applauded by those present. Bntl n^aa, 
 grieved when I saw In the papers— It w«»J 
 denied afterwards— that the American army 
 was going to be pennitted to go In. The ^ 
 statement made yesteirday Is a partial «c- '£ 
 knowledgment that negotiations are on" ,^ 
 foot for that purpose. I think We ShotiUl ' 
 give the American Giovemment to under*' ^ 
 stand, that if there is want, if needy peopto'j 
 are to be provided for, the machinery pi 
 our Government is .amply sufflolent to pro* ^ 
 vide what is necessarv in that regard ; that< 
 if the American people see fit to sena 
 supplies to those of their people who nra,l^ 
 need, they can trust the Government ftim 
 Canada fairly and honestlv to distrit^nte ;H^ 
 without permitting American soldiers '■$00^ 
 perform that duty. Sir, I think that Is ht ' 
 mlllatlng to the people of Canada. It I ^ 
 quite unnecessary, and I hope the Govetsk-.! 
 ment will In future, as I am afraid they^ 
 have not been doing In the^past. study ' _ 
 interests of Canada and of Oanadlnis oidyi«^ 
 
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