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(FORMER LEADER OF CONSERVATIVE OPPOSITIONi UKLIVKRED IN ONTARIO LKGISI.ATUKE ON THK Montreal River Pulp Agreement MARCH I5th, 1902. MR. MABTEB SUPPORTS THE GOVERNMENT, AND CONDEMNS THE UNPBOORESSIVE ATTITUDE OP HIS LEADER, MR. WHITNEY, AND HIS SUPPORTERS Ontario Government's ^ ^ Pulpwood Policy ENDORSED BY MR. MARTER IN tlw Onturii, Legislature on Saturday, March Iflth, Hun E J UavU, Comiuissianer of Crown Ijinels, moved the ratiflcation of the agreement with the Montreal Kivnr Pulp and Paper Company. During the ensuing debate Mr. -J. F. Marter JI P P Conservative nieinlier for North Toronto, and former leader' of the Conservative Opposition, in a strong and well-reasoned speech emphatically endorsed the course of the Government in regard to the ahove and other pulp agreements, ami took rlecideil grounds against the unprogressive attitude of his leader, Mr. Whitney and his followers, upon the question of economic utilia:tion of our puln- wood resources. After remarks by Hon. Mr. Daus, Mr. Whitney Hon. Mr. Latchford and Mr. Caracallon, member f(.r East Hamilton who insinuated that some member of the fjpposition had revealed the secrets of the (Jpposition caucus, and incidentallv its divided councils upon a progressive policy of development, Mr. Marter said : 1 '■ 1 ■ ■ "J ""," ™'^'"^™' '" sh"" to-day that I was in this Legislature when the first pulp concession was granted, and to show that my attitude from that time to the pr ,.nt has been thoroughly consistent. But hef.,re doing that I just want to ask one question which if any gentleman on this side of the House can answer, I hop^ he will answer it now. Who was the party suspected of givins away the coun-sels of our caucus! Now, it there is a gentleman on this side of the House can answer that I want him to do so " A painful silence ensued as Mr. Marter stood facing his col- leagues. Pinally Mr. Whitney rose. " My honorable friend probably expects a reply from m- " said he, ■ I do not know whether he does or not. It is of no co, squence whether he does or not. I have not heard anyone in the house to- day say anyone was suspected. Mr. Martek-" Someone did say it, and I am prepared to fight It out now and here. I may say I was a party to that caucus, and If J am not revealing any party secrets I am quite prepared to state what took place on that occasion." Again turning tti his fellow-ConservativHH Mr. Marter continued ; " If honorable gentlemen on this side uf the Houh« think I ought not to do HO, Hay lo now," Mr. Marter paused again to allow any of his culleaguf^x to answer who fett 8o diitpoRed. Messrs. MatheHon, Whitney and CarHcallen spoke at the same time. "I personally have no objections," said Mr. Matlieson, "to the honorable gentleman doing as he thinks best, but—" " Oh, leave it to his own sense of honor," added Mr. Carscallen. '* Yes, leave it to his own sense of lionor," replied Mr. Matheson, while the (^>p[K)Bition leader contente(J himself with stating that— " Decorum is decorum." " Very well, then," said Mr. Marter, " I shall choose my own course. I want to say, Mr. Speaker, that it is a well understood fact to the memliers of this House that at the time the Spanish lliver pulp concession wUs up I was doing my utmost- -and so I spoke on the tluor of the House— to have that concession grante»-lf up, a xinil.' iiii his face, and Haiarn«J from ray hun. friend on my lift lh.it I am not su«p«ct«l ..f iloini! thi». I am « m| ,„ learn that." The merab«rn oil the Govern iil ,l.le of the House laUKhed u Mr. MathesoB riNe l„ hi* feet, very red in the fate, to protest againut .Mr. Marter makiiiu public u»e of private information "I naver -uspeeted my hon. friend," he ,„id ; •• I t.,l,l hhii privately jutt now and he imriieilialely s,wak» out pulilicly. ' The House iauKhed more h-artily utii'. and Mr. C'onmee aslced >lr. Mathesoii to !». kind enough to tell t ii just who he ili.l nun |)ect, .\iid with this the rather painful scene ended. MR. MARTER PLEASED WITH MR. FOY^ CANDOUR. ■' I was very much pleasinl with the candour and astonishment of my hon. friend from .South Toronto when the Commissioner of Crown |j»nd8 was explaining the different points conuined in tliis a^ree ment. \V hy, they presented themselves to the hon. gentleman as being so fair and so good that he asked if these clauses were the same 1 previous agreements. Why was the (luesti.m asketl ? r think T am safe in saying, as the Commissioner read clause hy clause in this agreement, the hon. gentleman from South Toronto thought thev were fair, and asked if they were the same as were containe.1 in previous agreements. If not, what di.l he mean by asking that th sidt'M n{ the H"U>*t', ttiic! wiw hy tur tht* iiuw* fiivonihln to th. r')ricr-*>,i(nuiiii"* oi any 8U(-c«i-(lin;{ ohtm. [ at that iiii ^avu vcuvO to thr fMllowiiiK itxprnsKHm, which I taku fnmi the Afni' nf April 5th, IH'.C* : " * Mr. .Martt-r approveil of thi' aKro«>nn*nt an Im-iiik aloiiy thft Mih'h of th« CoitHt^rv.itivf |Milify. Iff coiigm^'ilaUHl the ^overniuent an having HVfjx li^ht.' " Whu* li^ht (ii-' I n-fcr to ( Tliat which I hrhi t» U' thf [nMry of lh»* t'onHfrvativpN in t'iitluavorin({ to f capital which he has ni.. and which was ulludnj to l»y the Honorahle (.'oninussioner of U.own Ijinds as some tin or twehe niillioiiH of dollars. That would not cover it. Sir. And then I say, as a repre Hontative of one of the largest constit jencies in Torf>nto, I am hacked up hy the liusineHs m»'n of this city im the iH)siti(m I take on this question, antl I am prepared to defend my act with any person upon any occasion, eitlu'r in tins constituency or ehewhere. 1 feel so certain of my ground that I dare not keep siU'nt. I feel so certuin that what tlie Oovernment is doing is in the interests of the business men of this city and the Pntvince generally, that I know they will l)e a unit in saying, ' Yes, yi, • evrtj ronrenxion that t/itn rmi rm /on;/ an thfy av. guarded hy thcjnir tr.rmn oontnined in thix aifvement.^ THE MORE THE BETTtiR FOR ALL CONCERNED. " Ijook aL tlie Sault tft-day. See how that place has grown. The giving of thut concession ' rnishes work for thousands of men. The town population has more than doui)lcd and house building, as we all know wiio visit that section of the country, is going on at a very rapid rate. Now, Sir, rbnf rnunfd it f The yiinfuj of that concession. And I say to you, Mr. Speaker, that the more of these concessions we give the b-'tter I think it is for all concerned. We have had several eoncessicns from that time um'l the present, and not until the Spanish Uner Concession was , wo'-d rai.sed by any honorable gentleman in tbis House against this , obey. Tlie Oppi>si- tion sat there from .ime to time when these conce^ 'ons were passing through, when all of a su 'den it woke up to the h. ^position that 6 Nomnthinu waa not ri){ht nnd Itpcnme nunpioiouti. Slifirtly aftrr the H|mniHh Hiver Pulp Hrul Hii[mt rompiiny f("t' th#ir ci>iM«>MHii>ii tUny ntrf*ri'it the nninf tcrinn im Itift orJKi'ittl t'onr*tHHionHin*« tcit'i\i-(l tlirim. NotwitliKtuntlint; tint fiict tlifit lioiHirntili* ^t'litltMiirn hu'l lH*i>n HiiyifiK tht cnric^HioiiM wi'itt vAfV valuiiltlc, ttnil tliJit piirtifs liiid Intii Ht'llin^ out thfir riglitH iit fnWuloiiM pricf'N, yrt when -jiM'ti an opp«H'timity to puri'huHff Mtook on ttuch favonittlit c-unditiotiM tlicy IttuI not (tie eourw^f of tlieir ronvic- tionn And did not InvrMt ii HinKli* dollar. ( ApptuiiHi'.) TIMBER VALUELESS UNLESS UTIUZED. "What haH this liovernment tried to diW Take the preitent agreement for it0 tons. Not only that, >Sir, hut, in addition to the al>ove it exac-lH a depcmit of ')?U'0,()<)U in order to show the bona fldeit of the pertionN with whom they are dealing, and, unleMH tiie agreement is entered upon, this kum ih forfeited. It is also stipulated that Camulian cetiient must \m used and Canadian machinery, so far as the same can lie ohtaiued. It ha* also trioij to prevent the trafficking in cone .H.sioim granted, and haa inserted in this agreement a clause preventing the concession- aries from selling their rights until they have erected huildings and started the industry. And ho, I say, Sir, that thin lu/rwment in tha moat /at'trrtifi/e on^ f.vfr (/ronifht before thin Lft/iMfittnre. (Applause). Now, Sir, that being the case, why should [ not support it ] We have the timber. Millions of dollarn worth of it has iM-en bur .t in the past, and if we had had those pulp mills it would have been used and the country would have had the benefit of it As f have said, we have the timber, but it is of no practical value to the province unless utilized. Thore are only two parties to do it — the one, the (Sovern- ment; and the other, the public. It wouM not lie welt for the Gov- ernment to enter into the ;nanufaeture of pulp. Then what? The public. Tliat is what is being een put in circulation and eijployment furnished for large numl^ers of men. (Applause). PRIVATE vs. GOVERNMENT ENTERPRIZE. " Now, it has been said that it should not he done in this way. I thinic it is the wisest way. 'J'he Province is not liable in any sense for it. The Government's position is, and ttie rippfisition's position was, until two years ago, what f Any parties wtiu sought out what they ttiought was good territory for this purpose could com^- to the Government and malie fctie agreement. Now, if they do not get tMxl territrfity who ii hliimel Not th« (Invtrnment, nut ihit Bgiiiliitui-«, liut th« |H»tiipit th«mK«lvi>N whn motlu tli« Mtiection. What IH the puHitioti wa would hiiYo IxH'n in in thiH LluydN umttar. We have nil huanl of tlie dirticulty ttetwuen the Hturgeuii KalU Pulp ('Uinpaiiy niid the LlAyilft, uf Umdon, Kriifl* '■ Had the (lovernnient, in that cane, Hurvuyi>d the limitH Hnd put them up to public ci)[np«'titiun, the Lloyda could have juNtly Naiil, in caw it hail turnei) out that there whm not xuttieieiit timber theieon, that the (lovernnient wax to blnnie for Dllering the uon^" i(>rHons in purt-haNi'i Ah it wait, the Hturgcon KivlU jteoplt) took the ugrtH>ini*n* juni at others hati done previously, miniely, nmde their own (telet-tion and then ciune to the Government iiMkinK thnt the territory '* leaded t to blame for the Hub>iec|uent trouble which took place, S.,, Sir, I think it in wine for the (iovernnient not to explore ur t*m ^vy it, and tay we have a lar>r" block with Hurticient timber on and invitr (wople tu coine anil tal^ ■ it up. The other eouTHe, and the one adopted, in that the coriceHNionaireH look it up for theninelveM, and if they make a miNtake they 1 vn nnly them- selves to l)Ianie. (Applause). And, now, what tl hey get? A ((rf^it dwil is said alwut (j;ivinK them «o much. / «» ./"i-/ to Aay iKfy do not get thn html. That is clear enough anyway. Th^n theif do not get the tiiiih'r nn(''»ii ff»fi/ pitif /•>}• it. They have no rij{ht to use any of that timlHT unless they -rect a mill, and are ffoing to use it in that mill. Am' lliey ft|u;ree to pay ju^t such amount of ilues as thf (lovernment may, from time to time, demand. Is not that in the interests of the country, Mr. Spuker ? (Applause), Would any man, if he was a private individual, owning timlier, hold it and say, ' No, I will not give it t<» \ou," or ' I will not allow ytm to develop itl' I say, Sir. that tlie course pursued is the oidy practical, sensible one tliat could l>e pursued in a matter of this ilescription. (Applause). OPPOSITION OBJECTIONS DEALT WITR "No man investing a large sum of money such as has to lie in- vested in these enterprises w II etibark in it unless he is assured of a large territory at his Iwek of timl«r suitable for making pulp? Otherwise he would lose on hi^ investment. The territory has to be large Iwcause we know that spruce timber only grows in clumps here and there. In hundreds of miles, perhap.s, not a spruce tree. And therefore that is the reason why the concession nmst be large. And I nay to-d.iy that any set of men wanting to go into this business would be foolish to do so without having at their Irack sufficient timber to last twenty one years. The Opi>osition make tv/o objections only to the (Jovernment's. nuide of granting concessions. First, they say they sliould l>e put up at public com()etition, which is im- practicable, on account of the immense expenses attending the delimitation and estimation. " Secondly, they claim that the dues iihimld be regulated by the Legislature instead of the Government. If the present dues are not autticient is it not the duty of hon. gentlemen on this side to say by resolution what, in their judgment, they think they ought to be, and which they have not yet done. That is a better way than finding fault with people who are trying to do the country's bunness. Any man or set of men can pull down and destroy, but it takes wise men to build up. / havf got nick and tired of listening to the innuendoes that everybody is a thief, and a robber, and »o on. I have lived to ray age, and T am pretty well advanced, and I think it has yet to be said that I aiu a robber or a thief, or support men who are robbers or thieves. (Applause.) I am tired and sick of it, I say, Sir. And 1 only ask for the privilege and opportunity of meeting hon. gentlemen who make such assertions, wh^n 1 will endeavor to convince any audience in this country that t/tin ifi a good business proposition and oiiejreefirom any wrong-doing. (Applause.) GOVERNMENT DOING RIGHT. '* What does the settler get ? The party who takes the concession takes it with the understanding that settlement cannot be impeded. Thai we all understand. The territory involved is open for settle- ment, and any settler who goes there and remains on that land six months and builds a house 16 x liO and clears two acres of lund, becomes the owner of all the timber on his lot. (Applause.) Now, Sir, if there was no mill there the settler would not want to go. The poor settlers of our backwoods know the value of taking out pulp- wood, and it is a fine position that settlers going on the^e limits become the owners of every stick of timber on them except the pine, and upon which he pays ho dues whatever. Who is taking anything from the settler, then ? Those agreements do not, and I say again, that I give my hearty concurrence, to this agreement, as 1 did to those that preceded it. I have said, and / say again, the Gtivernment is doing right, and that previous agreements which met with the endorsation of this side of the House were not nearly as favorable to the Province as the present one. (Applause.) "Before concluding, I would just like to recapitulate. In the first place, no rights are granted until mill is erected. Timber must be manufactured in said mill, and the dues payable are as much as the Government chooses to exact, which I hold, Sir, is the key of the situation, and th it the concessionaires are practically at the mercy of the Government, "Why should I efface myself? I am only doing to-day what I have consistently done for the past seven years, or since the inception of the pulp industry. I feel perfectly certain of my ground, and I believe that the business men of the Province of Ontario will back me up in the position I am taking. That it is not only in the interests of the manufacturers and merchants and the general public of the Province, but p-speci-ally in the interests of the workingmcn and those who wish to go to our new country in search of homes (Prolonged Government applause.)