c A isr A^D A^. BUDGET SPEECH ^ ■A- ) DF.I.IVFUKIi IIT A... HON. CmilCK H: rOSTKR, D.CL, M.P.,'/^tf'/^3/ MINISTIIK <^)F FIXAXCK. IN TIIK HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, '^3'^" .JUNE, 1891. OTTAWA: PRINTED BY UKOWN CUAMDliRLIX, I'HINTKU TO TIIK C^UP^EN S MOST EXCELLEN MAJESTY. - ■ 18S>1. ,'1 X.J, .si .. V V. *■ ■ ■ ' ^" ■■'■ •',' ' '• . ''''^>* : - ■'. ^ • •( 1 . ' .1 ■ ■r * '. ' ■^ V'. ."t '''%■■(: .?v • ,"' i ' Ki\ ■•'■ . '' . , ' -1 •; ■ h' ■ '' '< ' -'^-^ • n, , ». i ;;4r- ; . ■ '',1 . > ' * >'-^ i ■ .■;■/.. \ . . I. :''^'- »' .^^'•/v '/, ■■■"" '■• ■ .\ ■ > ,*>■."-'■ '■#»-. r,'' ^ ■> /.. ■' li J.,^'- •^ .* t 1 ','*, ' '!'' v.^:'^!' - .■■ '• N ,/ ■) t , ', ' ■'■ 1 •V, ••,*''-(/ A ' - t I ■.v^' I.' ^-.■).:'■ ^^^'f^.^ »•■■ '^ ■•! .^••>'^' ■,'.-,'■ ,,..i-v i^ ■. '■'.'■ '. ' • ■ ■•'/■ /r.* . .-■ ^ ., .. -. - , ., t". v''^''. .i'T'. . v -• ■• '. = ■■>.•-•/,>■.',- ^v .i^ -■■ ^i!^A. ■,•''.:; .'^V''- ■,. . \y,J ,'• ' i ■! '• -■ i > .-.■ ''■^ , ■' > •• ,.''■..•.,;- . ,.1. :-■ ' ".■!■■■- ... ., V >'^:, -..^i , .' . . i > ( . .. .. i • ■''>->.•■. T,. _ .f.M .. ■ , C ^ N A. D ^. BUDGET SPEECH riKI.IVKHKII BY HON. GEORGE E. FOSTER, D. C. L, M.P., MINISTER OF FINANCE, IN THK HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, :i:i^ JUNE, 1891. OTTAWA: PRINTED BY BROWN CHAMBERLIN, PRINTER TO THE 'iUEENg MOST EXCELLENT MAJESTY. 18anc(;s which have taken ))lace in .some of tho.st; cmnitries which were large customers for certain cla.sses of luinher, as a residt of financial mismanagement and internal revolution and commotion. Outside of these two points in which we lio))ed thai Canada would have had a more pi-os|)ei- nusyear than she has had, I think there is nothing to prevent us from congratulating ourselve.s in this House and in the country ujjon the general slate und condition of our trade, our industries ami our l>roduets. Our harvests, although, as I have .said, not very ulicndant, were, taking the country all rojind, of a fair average, and the prices received for our agi'ieuUiiral products were prohiihly u con- siderable amount higher than in tiie preceding year, :*o that the tfitiil net result.s for the country at large was not .so unfortunate as nnght have liecii thought at lirst. Kor the present year, although we cannot, of couise, tell \\ hat may happen as tlie Muinths develop, the prospects, (^specially in .Mani- tolia and the North West and in certain parts of the older provinces, are fair ; a largely increased area, especially in om- we>;tern country, hius )>een placed muter ci()|i, and at the pieseiit time the prospects thei'e are of the brightest. With reference to the foreign trade foi' the year l.SHll 90, 1 may say that the aggregate trade was some .'*14,(HKI,(MH) in excess of its preceding year and marked one of the liest. years in (he histoiv of ( 'onfc;deration, being some .^i.").(MM),(MM( in excess of the trade in rs7«-7!>. the last year of the Administration which Jjreeeded the present (Jovernnient. The e.xpoits for the past year under review W(;re .S7,-')IM),(KK» mor(! than they were in the year IMS.S-Hll and some .•52.">,(KKI,(HH» in advance of the exports for the year 1S7.S-7!'. Thei-e was a gratifying incn'ase of the trade between Canada and Cleat liritain of !ii7,;luMc'f at it, in, on tlic wlioU", ill Niiuiiil iMiiiilitiiiii. Sipiiic liiaiiilics ot our iiiiluNtiit'N all' MnurlHliin^r, wiiilf ntlicis aio not NO fortunati' in tliat icNiiot. Itiit, taking it ail in all. I think it Ih an o|iinion which will In' liornt' out liy linamial iiu'ii, that ihu tnulo londitioii ' of the (oiintry I.h a kouiiiI one if it in not a very tlouiinhinn one. ( lur iritei' |n-oviiuial tiaile, whiih yi'ar l>y year has hceii lieeoniiiij; more aiiu! in last year'slarill', |)rovidiiig that mining machinery of a class and kind not made he.c should lie ailmitted free of duty lor three years, has aided in that activity, 'j'he iron iioiiiity is iia\ing its residts, and in some paits of our country there will he this year large accessions to the productive pinver of Canada in that i respect liy capital which is at present being invested intliat industry. 'I'he visit of the l!riti.-'h .Association of Minds and I'jigineers, which was paid incident- ally to this country in eounection w ith their annual meeting, haslieen, lama.ssured, of great iuiliortaiice to the future development of our mineral wealth. 'I"he opinion of experts and the actual views in the I'ountry of men w ho were pit' eminently practical and Bcientilic i'.i thisregard, is having its etlect in making lietter known the large and iinporlant re-iouices of the |)oiiiinion. I must not omit to mention the henelil arising from the laliours of our ow n depart- ment, which is partially charged with that, nor ought 1 incidentally to omit referring to the good whieh has come from the Commission which was appointed hy the Out alio ( loveinnient, w hose lain m is were very thorough and the information given liy which was very ciim)ilete and of great importance. The iuimigration of the past year, although it has not lieeii .so large in volume as .some of the jireoeding years, haslieen of a class which is thoroughly satis- factory, I think, to this country. It comjiri.sesaclasst of men w ho have responsiliilities, who have money, who have experiences more or less in actual farming, and who come into this country prepared to make their home and nUiy here, and with a skill and knowledge which is ncces^iary for the develoiunent of the projierties into which they come. 1 am sure that the recent visit of the Mariners' Delegates, so thorongh and general as it was, and which has been succeeded liy one of the most iiractical and complete reports which I have ever liad the ])IeaHure of reailing, will have the effect of awakening an increased interest in (ireat liiitain and other countries nf Kiirope, and will lie followed liy its fruits of an increased immigration of the class of settlers which we particularly desire toha\e in this country. ( Mir moneyed institutions have, on the whole, stood well the trying crisis of the past year. Whilst In the I'nited States of America hank after hank has fallen under the stress and stringency of the money market, whilst in (ireat Ihitain ami in London, the centre of the world's money market, there has lieen great SU8- lien.se and great troiilile and great stringency ; our lianks in this country have pursued the even tenor of theii- way ; a gratifying fact which is, I tliink, partly due to the good system of hankintr wiiich we have in Canada, liut which is, perhaps, diictly due to the practical knowledge and ]irnilent skill of tlie men who have our liauKing iiistitutioi.s in chaige. ami who take cognizance of the signs of the trade of the world as they appear from time lo time and accommoilate themselves in a skilful and )irudent way to these necessities, and who also heed the warnings which are obtained in that way and so steer a (irudent cnurse. Our credit abroad stands as in preceding years ; .Hid although the rinaiicial troubles which have occuried ovim' the civilized world, and which have been especially felt in tlie money markets of Kuiope, have had the etlet't of depreciating our securities, as the securities of all other countries and all other colonies have been for the time ilepre- ciated, and even the liritish consols theinselvea, yet our securities stand in coiuparison better than tho.se of our sister colonies, ami, taking all tilings into consideration, they hold their own in every respect. 1 think we can < migiatulate ourselves ii|Hiii the buoyant nature of the revenue of the Jiast financial year, a rcveniu' the largest in the history of this country, a revenue which did not come from increased taxation as a result of changes and additions to the taritt', but vvhicli is an eviileiico of the power of the people to buy, ami coiisei|Uciitly luarks to a certain extent their |ii()sperity and the soundness of their linaucial coiiditiou. I think we may congratulate ourselves, too, u|ioii the balance which has been kept between the revenues and ex- penditures of the country, as will be more apparent when J take up those malteisin detail. jVltogcther, .Mr. .Speaker, to leave this lirani'h, which may serve a.s an introduction to what i.s still more germane and )iertiiient to the <)Uestion in hand, I think we may say that we have a luqipy, a united, a progressive and a right-minded people, who are gkid to live in this country and under Canadian institutions, w ho have a hopeful outlook with reference to the future, and who are full of progress and activity at present. Now, .Mr. Speaker, if the House will allow ine, I wish to deal for a moment with some more geni:ral trade interest.'*. It is within the memory of the mem- bers of this House that some two or three j-ears ago I had the pleasure of introducing resolutions which looked to the formation .t liiivf Iki'Ii iiii't vi'iy i^n'iii ilitliiiiliii». of wlii<;h thf HoiiKi' will kimw wju-ii \vi- tiikf up those iiiii'icuhir niiliji'ctH I iH'licvi' I may 8iiy to tile HoiiHU tiiat these lili.'> ale now fiiirly well e.>.tal>lishi'il, iiiiiler loinlitioiiH a* nooil UH we may lici|ie to oliliiiii .It tile |)ie- sent, aiel on a Htainliii:,' ami a ImioIh upon w liieh tliey will lie alile to prove in the course of t\«o or three year.s, I ho)ie to the sati-faition of this lloii-ie aiiil the eoiiiitiy, that there lie in tho^c isiniuls to tile south of Us possilijlities of a lai;,'e alhl l"'lliiiner iitive coiiiiiieree, as regards espeeially liranehes of tiii'le w liieli are eonipleiiieiits of each other, aiul to which ill neithcrcniiiitry is there home loinjietitioii. Iiut only llie competition from outside. With reference to the Paiilic. I may state that the line of Vessels which was siilisidi/eij hv tiie liritisli (iovernmeiil, and in pari liy the Canadian ( iovern llient. has at length lieeli estaldished ; ami within the last two iiioiuhs the tiist of those well l.iiilt, tiliely-ec|iiipped ami speedy vessels has lieen put upon the riMitt. and passengers and mails have come fioiii llie far Kast across the I'acitii' Ocean, across our Canadian part of this coiitiiieiil and lioni'" to tile old country in a space of time sur- prisingly short, which laM elicited astonishment and oonimeiit of the most gratifying kind from tin- pio.ss and piililic men of Cnat llritaiii .iiid thei-onti- Ueiit of Kurope. We have, as a (ioverniiieiit. |iut forth every possilile energy to ha\e the fast Atlantic line estalilished as well. The House is cogiii/aiit of the history of that line up to the past year. Killing last year we entered into a provisional contrai't with a company which had \eiy gre.it financial fltrengtii. anil of which Mr. IJryce jioiiglas was the agent on this side of tliesia. Mr. I >ouglas visited this country and per.sonally inspected tlie( 'anadian I'.icitic Ki.ilwiiy and the ports upon the I'.icitic : and I may state that he w as very enthusiastic Koth with reference to the jirospects of this country and tlie prospects of a remuneiative trade lieing hiiilt up acro.ss the country and across the .\tlaiitic, sutli- cient to warrant the ]ilacing of vessels of the lust style and ei|iiipiiient lietweeii our ports and the ports of (ireiit ISritaiii. A provisional coi'tract was entered into, and, if it ha I not lieeii for two rea.sons, one of w hich, and not the least import- ant, was the disorganization which took place in the money luarkets at home, for reasons w hich are well known to lion, gentlemen on liotli sides of the House, hut, more especially, the sudden and lamented deatli of Mr. Ihycu I >oiiglas himself, who was the soul and the ins|)iring genius of the com- pany, I think wo would have lieen ulile to inform this House that a hard and fast contract had lieen entered into for a line of steamshijis eipial in style and ei|uipineiit to the liest that plies lietween the jxirts of New York ami the ports of (ireat liritain and the continent : luit the iieatli of Mr. Douglas, especially, and the di.sorganizecl state of the money markets, has post]toned this jiroject, and the (Jov- eriimeiit has again to try its hand, with the aid of the lilieral donation w hich Parliament has jihiced at its disiiosal, with the view of hringiiig alioiit what liotli sides of this House have declureil l>y their votes and confidence tliev wish to .see auconi- ' pli^thcit. .*1 liefore we sepaiati'il, has gone intoaetivu operation. 'Chat Hill was looked upon with much appreheii.diin and much hesitation l>y large inter- ists in eM-r_\; part of .this country. It threateiieil ' some of iilir trade IllteiestH : it certainly pointeil to a dis|)liicenieiit and a diversion of trailein several impoiiaiit particulars. ( 'anada has had Home iiiontlis of experience of its ii|M>iations ; and, so far as I can see, upon a fair .nid just letrosiH-ct of the montliH that have passed, and the iniliistries that have l«'eii allected, the indnslii.il interests of Canadii have stood the struiii well, lieing far less harmeil than was unliciptted when that Hill was underdis- ciissiiiii and w lien it was alsmt to hi' passed liy the Congress of the I'lliteil .States. 'I'lie people of ( aii.ida, wiiilst. in some respects, they deplored some features of that I'lill, knew that, so far ax the ( ■oveinments of ('anada had lieeii eoiiceriied, from IHliT up, no fault could lie attached to them if , tliere w.is not a hetter liasis of trade rel.itioiis lie- tween the I'niled .States and this country than actually existed. They knew that when, ill lH(Mi, the old recipiocity treaty was ahrogated, that alirogatioii took place, not at the desire of ('anada, lillt at the exjilcss inst-llice of the I'uited .States, and they knew that, from that time up to the pre- sent, time and again, Canada has luacle advances, I in a fair and lionouralile spirit, for the resumption of the old or the inauguration of new relations ' u|ioli some fair iiiiil eiplitalile liasis. Looking liaek at the results which followed the alirogatioii of the old reciprocity treaty, the pi-ople of Canada, although they ile|ilored some features of the .Me Kinley Hill, did not think, viewing their past cir- cumstances, present condition and future pros- pects, that they had rea.son to liecome discouraged or lie less hopeful than liefore. Looking liaek to IStiti, anil knowing that there was tiieii found siitli- cieiit trade, energy and skill and ]iiir)iose in this eiiuntry to eonveit what was then supposed to have liecn a great evil into what actually turned out to he a real good, inasmuch as it put Canadians ii]ion I'lieir own mettle and energy and made them carve out for themselves fresh ami remiineralive channels of trade ami conimerce, they felt that, though they would f.iin have wished for hetter re- ; latious with the United States, they had aniiile resources, ample energy and a wide field alxiiit j them ; and .setting to work, with that liu.siness ' energy and pluck which is characteristic of Can- ■ adiaiis, they met the situation without grumhling or lieciiming despondent, and with a cheerful ancl hopeful facing of the future. Sir, that McKinley Hill had liarely ))as.sed wlieil, at the instance of a large interest in this country, I sent a skilful and i practical man to (ireat Hritain. who made ii ' thorongli investigatiiHi into one hrancli of trade ' which, it was suppo.sed, would lie seriou.sly atl'ected I liy the McKinley Hill, namely, the egg trade; and the investigations he made, and which have ■ lieen since continued, liy the High Commissioner, ' have resulted in a mass of information and a settled conviction, not only in this country hut (ireat Hritain as well, that for eggs and poultry there exists on that side a nuirkel of uiilimited j dimensions, in which home eompetitiile time in the future u hen it will not he iiiiMsiiralily K'ealel' than it is at |iiesent. Ami what i.s true with refeieiiee to ej;>,'« is true, in part, witli leferenee to |ioultiy ami live aniinals, ami hay ami other eoininoilitieH, Ami 1 ilo not fear to assert ami stake my re|iiitatioii on llie future turn of events, when 1 say it, that, just as that market which, for live stock, eheese ami cer- tain other commoilities, was a few years ago very liiniteil ami has since expamleil, until today it (.'ives to our tiaile tnilliolis of dollars and the cer- tainty of reniiinerative prices, .so it will, in rejiard to llie.se other articles, follow tlii' same line and Ih' productive of eijiial profit to this country. 1 ain sure that no man in this House could wish for any- thing ••Ise, and all must w isli for this result. .And I see no reason, from past expeiience, after study- ing the conditions of the trade, to warrant iiie in making my statiinciit less strong than I have made it. With reference to the W est India trade, .some attempt has lieeii made in past years to foster the < 'aiiadiaii trade w itii these island i. .Steamship coin panics were sulisiili/ed with that end in view, and last year, under the authority of Council, I had til* pleasure of visiting those islands and of having eonfereiiccsw itii tlieirl io\ eriiiiients,and merchants, ami people, in order to tind out for myself .some- thing more intimately of the eondilion and the prospects of trade lietweeli our country and those islands. .Villi what did I tind there? I found, in the lirst place, the people of the liiilish West India Islands most fairly ilisjiosed tow.irds this eiiuntry. They greeted w itli pleasure the interest which hail lieen evinced liy my visit to them. They had only the wannest feelings for their lirethreii further to the north and, without esceplioii, expressed themselves as heartily in favour of all possihle extension of trade lietween those islands ainl Canada, .jiistaliout that time, the .McKiiiley liill came into oiieration, with its diverse eti'ects upon the peojile of the West India Islands, and this measure ga\'e them much to think ahoiit liefore they could accept tin; |iroposition I was ailthori/ed to make, of a ilill'ereutial treatment of the products rei|uiriMl liy the one country from the other. Owing to the pas.sage of the McKinley Hill, very grave thought Hlid very serious consideration had to iie given hy them at that partieuhir juncture liefore they could I'.ccept our terms or declare Ihem.selves in any- way with refeience to my proiiosition. Sir, the mistake Canada made was in not putting 8teanishi|is U|ion that route l'.i or l.'i years ago. If we had diaie that we would have opened the elmnnelsof trade lietween hoth count ties iireviou.sly to the opening of the steamship lines lietween the ishmds and the United .^tatis, and we would have had already a trade in large part estalilished with 111! the advantages that ciiine from it. lint while we were Iving idle, not doing our duty, steamship lines, regiiliir and frequent, liud lieeii sent from the portH of the United Statex, lniHineHM channel!) iiad Ihcii opemd, and hiisiness relations formed, and along these the lines of trade and interest ran until at present Canada has to introduce her warei< in competition with an old and long-eHtaMislie'l i liiisiness interest. I!ut, .Sir, I am convinced that, ' when careful thought li.is Ihi ii given to this, ami when the results of the .MiKinley taritl'aiid the reei. procity clause In coniieetioii with it i omes to lie fully workeil out, there is a great piolmliility timt the people of the \\ est India Islands, who are so well disposeil towards us and ai'e so willing to trade ' with us in e\ery possihle way, will he willing, ami not only willing hut glad, to meet with us in ordir to arrange a mutually ln'iieticial systc'ii of traile lietween theii' islands ,iml this couiitrv. Sir. it iiiay lie it ought not to lie hut it may lie a favourite : pastime of some people to ridicule the idea of trade I lietween Canada and the West liiilia Islands. We ought not to do that. The West India Islands, in- , haliited, it is true, in large |iart liy Mack people, have a large population whiih consumes very ' largely, and the aggregate trade of those islands to clay amounts to more than .s7."i,(MH),(MHI, nearly one-half of w liicli consists of the imjiort of articles which are specialties of Canada, so far as their pro- i ductioii is concerned. They consumed those aitide.s I which are our natural (iroducts ami lhe)iroducts of ! our industries which, when they are introduced [ into the West India Islands will, I am convinced, tind a ready reception there. That this is the fact is proved hy the result of the last year's work, and hy the results which are just lieginning to he aji- ' |iarent, of the exliihition which look |ilace in Jamaica, where Canada made a most important and a most successful exhihit, w here she disaliii.sed , the minds of our island lirethren of many preju- j dices and w long conceptions which they had had in regard to us, w here she ilisplayed her wares :iiiil ' her goods to the hest advantage, and where she pi'oveil to them that a mutually ailvaiitageous trade could take place, and laid the foundation for that I trade in actual sales, in many orders, and in pro.s- I pective trade, which those w lio had their exhihits I there informed me speak.swell for future commerce lietween that country ami ours. Then, we have 1 had, during the past year, an answer from the United States of .America, diircrent from any aii.swer which has heeii received from IStiO iiji to I the pi'c.sent time. The pajiers have lieen laid on I the I'ahle of the Mouse, or at least a part of tlieiii. They will foriii a suhject of discu.ssion later on. .Sntlice it for me to say at the )ire.sent moment that I on an invitation given hy Mr. .Secretary ISlaine I Some hon. MKMIlKK.s. Hear, hear. Mr. FOSTKR, - the delegates from Canada went to Washington for the iiurpose of having an inforinal conversation with Mr. lilaine, and 1 talking over the possihilities of trade relations ' hetweeii their country and ours. They went there, and at the exjiiessecl desire of the United States, ai' I, i for their couvenience and not for ours, the I'resi- ' dent of the United .States askeil us to jiostpone that ■ informal conference which was apiiointed at that time, and to meet on his own invitation in u formal eonfereiue to he held in Washington in the niiinth : and in IHST, the niaxhnum was placed at .S|,(HM), with a further limit of •'''• '^ cti". Si.viiufn Hunk- i.M.T.',H.'d M 21,.;i7,5.>4 67 •.'l,l.TiJ.4i) 2(1 III fill III i II io II Savliiits Hunks lO.-.'U.aJT \ir> 1H,»1I8,1! (iHviililo nil deiiiaiiil .Vi,irM,.Vij t'T "il.+r.lul liV .■ia\ ings and deposits of the peo|)li! of the country in iHStl had increa.sed ahout .S|4,IKMt,(HM) ; .so that what- ever withdrawal theie was from the (iovernmelit savings h.mks, is not at all to he taken as a sign of les.sened earnings or of lessened .savings of the I country. I'art of it, has heen due, since the I Order in Council was pa.s.sed, to the change which I has taken place in the polii;y of the hanks of the I country, the IJank of .Montreal, and hy other lianks, having introduced .savings departments or liranches, in which tiny take sums as low as one dollar, and have heen paying interest at the rate of 4 per cent, upon them, and this accfiunts in part for the withdrawal, I am sure, of some of the savings from our iianks. However, in order to meet the w ithdrawals from tlu; savings Iianks, and which is, in sonic re-\e li.ive to meet, 'rurnini,' now to tilt' year 18S!l!tll. llie results may l>e taliiilateil as follow.s : - Iv^liiiiates. Hci-ciipts. Dift'iTi'iice. Ciistiiiiis ... . .i!L'4.iKHI.(l()(P .■ii'1,'.WH.!i."i,'i — S ;!],il4ii K.xc-iM- 7,11 il.niKI 7,lilS,llS i (ilS.llH Mi.'iM'lliiiuMm" S.'JiKl.iKKl 'i,l.V.',a'Vi ^ i)2,85:i Tdtitl $:i!l,aHI,U(l(l .-ii3il,»7!I.U3.'5 -f $67ft,!t2r) From this it is .seen that while tliero \Nasa slight falling oil' from my estimate in ("iistom.s, there was a large imrea.-e in hotli Kxeise anil Miseellaneoiis, milking the receipts in all in iii ly S7(M),(KK( in ex- cess of the estiniateil revenue. It is, however, only fair to say that the large increase in Kxeise WHS (hie to the fact that on the 1st .Inly of the current year, the law respecting the keeping of K|)irits in tanks for ageing pur]io.ses, for two years, came into ellect, ami that a large withilrawal, con- triliiiting duties amounting toS.MH),•"••"), of which ('iistoiii.« (jivcs an iii- ert'ii.seof $ 242.170 nr K.xi'lse iilve.« an in- (■rca.* AriMwiool , biscuit, A'C 22,3--)!' Orain of all kinds 71,W{ Ccmi'iit 2H,*)4 Coal and eoko !'li,4Si5 Copiier, and iniiniifactiiros of 7,l>i'7 Drugs, dyes, eheiiiicals and modioiuesi. . . 2-i,'.'5.^ Eml)roidorii's,\.E..>< . 4,i».> Fish, and products of 4,212 Fruits and nuts (dried) 12,77i) Friiils, tirucu 12,59S (ilovcs iinil iiiitt."" 112,ii7.') (Sold and .»ilvor, niainifnetures of "fih' (Junpowder and other cxplosivos... ... 10,4St) (jiutta peri-lia and India rubber, manu- factures of 20,71i5 Load, and inaimfactiires of $ lfl,.')*V) Oils, coal mill kerusvne 23,4)^1) Oils, all other %,(*» I'api'r, anil nianiifiicturcs of ,' 23,843 I'aiiit." and colours 2,878 Provisions ;iH,Si)7 Salt 7,14!i ,^oap V.WVt ■Spirits and wines 179,410 Stone 17,010 Mohis.-es 10,012 .Sustar candy S,7S7 Seedsand roots 1.5,713 Tea .'i,030 Tobacco, and manufactures of 12,012 Venetablc.1 21,337 Watches 10,,315 Wool, and manufactures of 103,t)<>l All other 2.^4/>;i5 In the undermentioned articles there 1ms heen a decrease in the duties collected as coiiipaied with 1 HS,S-,Si) : Flour and incul of all kinds. $ 2."),.">8i) Hrii'k .•mil liles 11,21") CarriiKtcs 20,3S4 ('nitons, nuinufactures of t)0,98S Fancy soods 0,907 Flax, lump and jute, manufactures of . . 17,8.SS Fur.", and niiiiinlacliires of 11,003 ()lii.«s, and inanuriictures of l'>,.")20 Iron and steel .35,218 Leather, and maiiufaeturcs of 03,700 Musical inslrumenls 20,248 Silk, maiinhictiire.s of .38,311 Sugar of ail kinds S24,17l) I may mention that the largest article in the items of decrease is that of sugar of all kinds, which show it deciease of SS'24, 17li, showing that that year was not at all a normal year, the causes for which are variously explained. In Kxci.se an in- crease has taken jilace in respect of every item ii])oli which Kxeise duties are levieil, as will lie seen from the following table, in which it « ill he found that there was a large increase in Kxci.se, explained as I have stated ; an iiUMease not to a very large amount in malt, an increase in cigar.s, and a .slight increase in toliaccos and snuHs. In Kxeise an increase has taken place in res|)ect of every item upon which Kxeise duties are levied, us will he seen from the following : — Duty Incrouse 1888-.S9. 1880-90. iiecrued, over (Jal.s. (hils. lS8i'-i"'. 18»8-8i'- Siiirits 2,072,031 3,,')74,799 $4,017,043 $746,910 Lbs. Lbs. Malt.. .'iLll 1,420 .')4,074,013 5.'>7,021 30,507 No. No. Cigars 02,.'i7O,.")7O 08,S02,9.")1 ,')93,710 40,008 Lbs. Lbs. Tobacco and Snuir. 9,749,143 9,802,951 1,850,021 12,027 Total ij!7,618,;Kfi $8.38,022 On the whole, it cannot he .said this shows a very great increase in the consumption of these liipinrs the oounti'y thrcnigh, inasmuch as if you take the explanation I made with res])uct to K.\ci.se and the incre.ise of |iii, tliu iiictriine/x r (vz/xVa shows no VL'iy givat iiH:ifii>t' ovfi' tin: pieci'iliiij; v'fiir.i, and stimils ;it tin- iiicsi'iit time far less tlmn it iliil on tilt: iivciiigt; in ISdT. 'I'liis will ii))|ifai- frointliu following' tal)Ie : I'KR CaI'ITA (luXSlMlTroN OK KlglUKS AMI TilllAI lo. Spirit". IScer. Wine. Tolmceo. .<. Averugt! siiico isr.7 I'liW 2-tifU "H:! 2'1I7 do 188H-80 •7TC) '.i-HVi •(CI" 2-].V! do 188i>-iK) Wit .r.'«il ; tliaf is, tliu aitual fxpi'iiilitiiic fell helow the esliiiiate i>/)(»."),!Mi!l. ( Ml the other liauil. the expemlitiire of tliat year fell lielow the e\|)eliilitiire of the pre\ ions year S!)2.S,S(l,'!. So ihat, with a saviin; in e\peiicli- ttiri' as rei,Micls the e.-tiiiiateil aiiioiiiit, a saxiiii.' in the total expemlitiire as i-oinpared with the preeed- ing year and an excess of ii'veiine over what was estimated, there is a fiain whieh aceonnts for the large surplus over ami alio\e what I had antieipiit- cd. Iiierea.ses took jilaee as eomjiared with the e.\- penditiirus of the previous year, a.-. foUows : - ■Sinking Kinul $150.5!W CiviMiipviM-iimoiit . 27,1.'!.'! liL'ijislatioii 2;Jl,ilI7 Ailiainislration of Justice Si.'.CS IViiitciiliarii'8 .■id.-tU.'i .""Upeniiimmtioiis . 22.s;{l 11:1 il way.- .'iiid (Jaiials Z').!)'"-^ And an im lease of .*<.■{()! t,( 10.'! in the ser\iees eliarge- al)le to Colleetion of Keveniie. lint, on the other hailil, there were niai'ked deereases in the follow- ing :— Inlcic.'i.''i:oinit and Exohanxe 27,242 IimniKration !I2,4IIS (iiiuraiitine .. 17,807 Militia .•ii),.Vi8 Noitli-West Mounted Police 7i).()iH I'liblie Works .■i2(),7;iO Mail Subsidies .te 17,9.«i Ocean and Kivor Service 1'>4.(I.52 Lightliouso and Const Service 45,t)t)4 Marino Ilosiiitals. . . 10,li():i Fijhcries 211,702 Sal).''idies to Provinces U(),.')05 Miseellanciiiis 2.'J7,iii>4 Taking, then, into consideration the fact that the revenne gave more than I antieipatel^, that the actual expenditnre fell hehiw the receipts, I am aiile to say to the Honso that on Consolidatecl Fund Acconnt, after all the .services foi' which appropria- tions have heeii made had heeii taken care of l>y the (iovernnient, there remains a surplus of .■?;}, SiS."),S!W over the ordinary receipts. That is not, however, to .say that we have the stun of .•:?.■(, SS."),H!),'t actually in jiockct. There are capital exjH:iulitures as f(d- lows :- Railways ami Canals, .SS,4Mt, IJl'i ; on Full- lie Works, .•:<4!l,'>.4-_'l ; Dominion Land.s, 81M;{,.s:t-_' ; North-West rehellion claims, 84,77.'J, to which, if we add the railway sulisidius, 8 l,, and tlie transfer o' ihe Cohourg dehentures,.'?44,4!U), we have a total capital expemlitiire of $."i,77(),.*{(M. .So that, Mr. .Spi^ker, tlieaecoiint as a whole of expenditure and income stands in this way : That we look care of the ordinary exm-nses of the I'onntry oiil of tlie I Conso'idated Fund, that we l.iid up in the Sinking I Fiimi a^ainst oiir didit and for the redintion of tlio ; delii .•;|..S,S7,-_';{7, ami had a snrpliis of .S.'t.SS,'>,N!»;i which we placed over against capital expenditure, ■ and came out it tile end with all ilicrca.^e of deht of only .S.'{, 17". It. therefore, aiijiears that the statement I made in this House three ye.irs ago, ami wliieh met with severe lidii nle from lion, geiitleliien opposite, comes out very nearly verilied. I .stated that I tlionght hy IS'.ll" an eijiiilihriuni ought to 1m- hail lietween expenditure ami income, taking in ia|iitalexpenililure as well as expenditure on ( 'onsolidateil Fund aci'oiint, ami this lia> taken plaei- withtlie trilling exception of .s."{, I7(», which is merely iioiiiinal. .So that the net deht on ;!(»tli .lime, I.SIHt, is s-_>;{7. ■">.■!.'!. •_»! I. or w ithin a few ilollars of the Slim it was one year previous. Sir, it may not he anii.ss to lay hefore the House the eour.se of the finances ilnring the last three years. 'I'lie expen- diture on Consolidated I'liiid in 1SS7 J^S was •S;tti.7IS.4!t4 : IS.SS .H!>. .s;t(i.!)l7,H:U ; ISS!) !»(),.■<.•{.->,- !«l4.l»:il. Tlie revenue was, ISS7 SS, s;{.-i,!MIS,4(i:{ ; j.S.SS S!(, .S.SS,7."f-',S7. 'I"he detieit in IHH7-HH was SS !().(».•{ I . in ISSS-H!) the sur- plus was .SI,S(i.".,tl.T), in |S,S!I!MI it was .S:t,S,S.'>.S!W. Tlie capital expenditure has kept almost the same for three years, heiiig nearly an average of .S">,."> : ISSIMIO, S.-),7;il,:i.")4. 'I'he net deht had inerea.sed. in ISH7-SS, S7,-_>|(i,.')S;i ; in IHSH-S!», .s-_»,!t!IS,!ls;{, and in ISH!I-!M». s;{, I7(>. 'I'he rate of interest on the gio.ss deht was, in IS87-SS, .S-4.") : in IH«H.M!t. .S.VJ ; in |SS; in hSSH-H!), .S(>7 : in I.SS!»-!H». •2!l!l, the lowest point it has reached since lH(i7. The average interest j)i-r rii/iiht on tile net delit, w liicli is the Imrden of the deht on the jH'ople .'is shown hy the )>aynient for interest, was, in iHM7-HM, 1 -'.) ; in ISH8-S!), 1 74 ; in l,SS!(-!M(. I -(m, oi- only () cents more per head than it was in IS7!t, hefore the Canadian I'acilic Kail- way was liegun to he hnilt or the vast ex])en(litiire on canals made. Coming now to the present year, which is pretty near completed, and ahout which, therefiue. we have fairly certain data, I may state that the estimate for Cnstoms made last yeai' was .S--':{,.'>.,S(iS,7.")7. Kut hetweeii •ioth June and .'lOtli June of this year there are extraordinary expenses wliicli were not ir.et in the same jieriod of time last year, the items for legislation, for the census, and one or two others. Therefore we must add .S;U.'),(),f tlio mcouiit. The eiipitiil e.\|Kn(litiiiL' foi- IS!I(ii LanilM and Ka'ilway Siihsiilics. >M,I(M|.(MM), rniikiiij;a lolalrapi- tal cxiKMiclitiui' in lliu ii.:ii,'lil>iiiiiiiijiMl nf >'I.'3M(,(MHI. If \vclakftlioSinUiMi,'Ki\iiil.' !.!t(KI,n(lll, \vhitiiaj,Min is laiil tip against our dclit ai: is su inncii in icdnc- tion of dcht, and llif sur|ihis of S'J,1(MI,(MK), we will find that .ishctwft'n tliataud thi' lapital cNprnditurt! wi; will (M)iiR' onl witiiin SllKUKHI oi' S|.")il.(KM) of being u<|iial, whereas las»l year- wi' eanie out within !*.'{, 071. This cannot l)e slated at pr<'serit to a eel'- tainty , hut it will not exceed the sum I have naiMe ( 'A l!T\V P, 1( ; MT. Will you give the details V Mr. KOSTKK. The derails I can scarcely give, hut I think 1 will have a little moie to .say ahout that hy-and-hye. .Soimich, then, with reference to the condition of our finances. I now go to anothei and, may he, more iiiteicsting section of my suhject. Last year the House will rcmemhcr that wi' hail a rather extended levision of the taiill'. i am not one of those who believe that in a c I thii'ik that was tin; last revision of tl.i suL'ar diiiies. if I mi>^take not. Theiefoiv a large iiroportioii of the revenue of the country in all the.se periods from lS(iH up to the jireseiit lime has been ol)tained from the alticle of sugar. The course of the sugar industry has been a remarkable one in this country ; upon it two parties have had their policies (.learly and sharply detined, and I have prepared the following table for insertion in the ()tiicial Debates of the House on this subjict : — .-^ItiAK KNTEKKlt I'dH llii.MK Cd.NSl'.MrTION 1\ CANAU.V I>lTU.\(i YICAK.-'; XAMKH. 1878 188(1.... ISSl 1882 is8;i .... lS8t 188.-> .... ISSli 1SK7 18«« 188i» ... 1890 111'., VM\ l.Vi, la2 17;f 21 K) 177 21K1, 21 U 223 174 -11)3, ,847, ,41 Ki ,;i2'.i, 7-'".1 742 ,fill .8'.!' ,Hi6, .8,'HI, ,841 ,045 ,('15 .iWil ,:M:i ,i>'.i7 ,'0.\ ,477 .•)41 ,7:i."> ,1)72 ,821 dTl "20 6,lS(i,22rt .•i,!KM.287 ■■>,Uo.'.lii;! 1.84ii,(ltll) 6,n>ii,r);i() ,5.;)Oil,42il "),l(Ki,478 i.r>'3,'ui 4.802,042 r),164,14,T ."),8.'i7,siir) 5,186,158 2,5115,074 2.n2(i,ii02 2.4.-)lM42 2,il!'i>,7ril 2,4()V,7iO 2,li09,.'i(l!l 2,.->44.!i2» 2,3li;!,H28 .■l,4;2 •)•> 12 (> 10 5 t> 7 8 5 u 111 IS7H, hiuUt tlic rcgiiiiL' niul jxilii'V of lion, gt'iitluimii (i|i|)().siti% tliix cdiiiitiy ii:i|M)rtril aiid took for lioiiii' c()iisiiiii|itioli l()i(,(Milt.(KM) pouiicis of sn^Mi- ftt a vnliic of S().IS(;,(KK( [Kiiil to tlu! oiitsidi' ])idiliic(r, with ii iliity of S'J,.")!(."(.(mm), the liitc of "luty hfiiij; 41 jut ct-nt. 'I'liiU sugar cost ."I'ti.'i cents per poiiiiii, the duty upon it was '2'A~ cents per poiiml, and the extraoi- iliiiary fact not exliiioriliiiaiy. tint leiiimkaUle fact which I wish noted is that of this siij.'ai-, only (i per cent, was raw, while i(4 jier cent, was retined. ami had heeii ixjHiied liy the lahoiir and the ea|iital and within the coiilines of other coun- tries than our own. W'liat I want to note in tiiat is, tlie small (■oiisiiiii|)tioii of sii,!.'ar, the very larire price paid to the outside world for il, the high cost per pound as payuieiit to the oiitsidi' world, the high iliiry'|)er pound, and the almost totnl alisence of the letiniug iiidiistiy in this country. Well. .Sir, in I.ST'.l, Miiother |iolicy was intiothiced ; that was the policy of reliiiing the sugar in our own I'ountry. That ytsu' had its ic.-'ults, and, in ISSd, 1 |S,S(M).(l(Kt jiiiunds of sugar was taken for home eonsuinptioii. costing .■<-l,(l(K>.(MK» instead of SCi.dOO,- (KM(, with a cost |)ir pound of 'A'',Ct cents instead of .")•(».") cents, and a duty of I '7.") cents per pound in- »tealion of sugar in the Uoininiou of ( 'aiiada li'acheil tlie eiiorinous auiount of ■J'2.'!,S41 .171 |(ounds, more than t\\ ice t he (plant it y consumed in I.S7S, tlie cost of tliat ipianiity lieilig ^.■).(MKI,(l(t(( to lis as regards the outside world, as against sti,(KM),(HI(» in is'S for less than half the amount "J'tiO cents per pound heing the cost and 1 '(14 cents per pound the duty, whilst the amount of sugar hrouglil in raw, and relined in this coun- try, rose to !(.') per cent., an jier cent. 'I'his talile will he for the nieniheis on hoth sides of the House to .see and to criticise. What I want to draw the attention of the Hou.se to is the fact of the decreased hurdeiis re)ii esented in the rediiceil ])rice we have paid for sugar to the outside wurld, in the cheaiier sugar itself, in the lower duly per ])oun |ier cent, of all the sugar that we use in this country, and a further aci'ompaiiy- iiig result, the eiihirged trade with the native sugar-growing and producing countries. So that, wlu'ieas in 1S7H our sugar was hoiiLihl, retiiieil, entirely from (ireat Ihitain and the Uniteil .States, aliiKist none coming from the countries of pro- duction, now it is mostly all fi«un countries of production, and an increased trade takes place Ipetween ourselves and lliem as a conse(|ueiice. Xow, .Sir, at this particular juncture of circuin- stani'es, it heconies iieces.saiy for the (Joverninent to lsitioii of I cent |)i'i|)i)iiii(l iulclitioiiiiloiiiiialt. Mult iiii.H, lip til tlif plfhciit, with ft« rxi rptiolis, liiil-nu ii duty iif I oeiil |H'r pDuml. mihI this iiihlitinn will iuhl, lu'tdiilinj; to my tiili'tiliition, ;t icnts in lost to every k»1Ioii of ixfi-; uinl I ask the IucWims. tlie limit • ^^tc•^», thf w liolr.-iilr srIlciM iiucl retail sclli-r.-*, iiml, if licfii lie, the illillkeis, to iliviiie this .'t velit" allinii;; tlu-iii ami Miakf a < liiirfiil ami plciisaiit facf over it. 'I'his, (HI till' lia>is of last yt'ar'.-' coiisiiiiiptioti of mult, will ;.'ivi- a ii'Miiiif ill the mighlioiiiliood of .S,")(H»,(MHI. |'"oi- fear llieiv slioiiltl lie any jealousy in this matter, ( pro|)ose to ask the ijistillers to imi- seiil to the imposition of a sliglit inerease in the Kxeiseihily upon distilleil spirits, \\ hieli « ill add liilt very little, "Jd eeiits )ier ;{.il|on, to the eost of that iiiiiele ; and if it is netessarv, I want to ask the distillers, :ind the wliole.-ale sellers, and the retail traders, and the ilrinkeis as will, to ilivide this eijiiitahly among them and make a |ileasaiit fiiee over the operation. 'Iliat inereasi' w ill gi\ e. n|)oii the liasis of last year's output, alioiil .e, ad. led lo-ether, will i/ive .s| ,."i(M(.(«H) ; and with ihe iniposilion of .■ose to make to the com- niittee. A change will lie made in the molasses duty, which at present is I.J cents per gallon. The change that will he made is that all iimlasses hetweeii eertain degrees, 4(1 and ."iti, which takes in all f.iirly good and extra imdassi s, shall pav the duty they now pay of I .|, cents jier gallon, Imt when they test over .")(i degrees, they become in reality of the consistency and value of sugar, and come in free, as does all raw sugar. When they test less than 40 degrees, they upjiroacli that perilously narrow ed iiu'rgin lieyond which lie.s the iiia.ss of stiiir w liicli is sometimes iin|ioseil upon the people for mola.s.Hes, liut which is simply rnliliish, with, coming down to certain degrees, .scaicely a |iereeiitage of saccharine mattwr in it at all. i j)ro)(ose that the duty shall lie I.J, cents per gallon lielow 4(t degrees, and iiiie-(|Uarter of I cent per degri'c adilitional as it grailes lielow, in order to proteel consumers from the stiitV which is known as "lilack strap" or .something worse, lieing mere washiiius, and doctored products, which no man ought to put in his mouth and think he is taking molasses. In addition to the foregoing rates, I propose to keep up w hat is in Hie present tarili', a speritic duty in all ca.ses of '2!^ cents |ier gallon, when not imported direct without trans shi])iiieiit. I'pon all cane sugar and liei't-root sugar, and .io on, not over No. 14 l)utch standard in colour- that is, the raw sugar which comes in free U))on all that kind, when not impoiled direit without trans-shipment from the conntrv of J:!iiiwtli and pio- duction 1 propose to keep the same duty as at present the same relative duty, I mean. There was eliargeil on this lief ore, T.j percent, of the duty, and « hat I |iropiise to )iiit on now is .'i |ier cent, of the value, which is as near as can he eipiivalelit to 7 '. per cent, of the duty. Then' is also a provision that in all the cases of cane sugar prodiiceil in the Kast Indies and exported therefrom rii'i Hong Kong, such rate of .") ju'r rvv.i. m/ rrt/i>riiii shuW not, he exacted, if the sugar is Irans-shipped at Hong Kong. A trade of large jirospective growth is o|)ening up lietwcen us and the Kast Indian sngar- ])roduciiig countries liy way of Hong Kong and the ('anadian I'acilic Railway steamslii|i line and railway lines, and for the henetit of the western coast especially and ( 'anada as a whole, I piopose that sugar so importeil shall not lie suliject to the duty of .") per cent. Now, then, my lion, friend will get his answer. The duties now upon raw sugar, which the reline'' has to pay in order to make his hetter grades of sugar, it lieing .so iiiucli per liiiund and so much per degree over 7" degrees, amounts to alioul '2 cents |.'er iioiiiid on granulated. The unioiint of protection that the retiner has at present on retined sugar amounts to about .'{ cents, so that there is a diH'erenct- in the neighbourhood of 1 cent between what he has to pay on his raw material re(|uired to make a jiouiid of refined sugar and the pound of reliiicd sugar that he competes with. .\ll those sugars which come in under that head are to be not free, but to bear a duty of eight- tenths of I cent ))er pound. That is the duty u))oii relined sugars and upon all over No. 14 Dutch standard. I'nder the old tariff, glucose or graj)e sugar came under the general rate. As we have changed the taritl' in regard to the rest, we have placed the cluty on gluco.se or gi'a])e sugar at U, cents |ier |iouiiil. Cut tobacco, w liicli is now 40 cents and \'2\ percent., is to bir 4.") cents and I "i.!, per cent. .Manufactured tobacco and snutr, which is now at .SO cents and \'2\ per cent., is to be .S.'i cents and 12A jier cent. Ale, beer and porter, when imported in casks or otherwise than in bottles, which is now at 10 cents )ier gallon, becomes I.S cents per gallon ; and ale, beer and porter, when importeil in bottles, which is now IH cents jier gallon, becomes '21 cents per gallon. That is, that what is added to the eost of malt liipiors by the addition of a cent a |)ounil on malt, is adiled to the imported articles in order to make the eiiuivaleiit. 13 Sir RICHARD CAKTWHK ;HT. Y..u might Ktati- what thi' e(|uivuitiit is 'r Mr. i"()S'ri'',K. 'I'lnveofiitsii galhiu. 'I'he Himsc will rci'iilicit thiit 1 hiiVf u.sly Hoiiu' hoii. gt'iitli'iiicii tliat I had distiirhcd tht; prciiier prciiiiirticiu wiiii'ii slioiihl exist and tliat SDliie a(hlitinii sliimld lie made to the ivxci.se leiits and ".^ cents. This we have lieen im- pelled to do hecau.se we eoilsiilored that, owing to the protection which was given and cerlain lom- 1)inatioiis which have heeii eiitere I into, a moiio|)oly lias lieen created and it is a wise and prudent thing for us to meet that state of things hy reducing the duty one-half. It will also lie oliserveil that it is I)rovided that these resolutions shall take efl'eut on iind after the •_Mth dune, ISlll : Proviiloil, liowovi-r, that ndtliiiitr herein shiiU bo eon- struoil lis exci'iiliiKT any siuriir.* miw helil In lie in Imnil for reliniiiir l>i'i"l">ses in any hunded jiiiMniscs enniii'iMeil with iir eecupicd in wlinleur in part liy any sawir i-cfinc'ry. wliieh may lie fnnnd on oxinniniitioii i;l' the stuck in suuli prc-inisi'> 1(1 have hern rcnnivcd the re hum, frnin iia.Miient ot'lhcMhity prniicrly payalile tliereiMi under iK'in S'n. Il!l in sc'luMhi'le A to ilie Act, chap. Xi. lleviiicil Staiiitcs, wliicli ?luill continne in force as reKaiilsHiich sii(?ar<. iiiilil t)ropcr entry tliercut and payment of (hily thereon has )een niailo, Mr. I'ATKH.'^OX (Mrant). Does that cover sugar in liond in merchants' l)onded warehouses '.' Mr. FOSTKl-!. It covers all the sugar put in bond i)y the retiners, no matter where they may he. Mr. JJOWKMi. It covers everything in hond. Mr. rATl-;HS()X (IJiiint). The wholesale men have lately been allowed to iiold sugar in bond. Mr. liOW KLL. Yes, it covers that. Mr. F( )STKH. There is another matter to which I will refer, t'eitain inembers of the House have been aware that during the lust ten or lifteen years a great change has taken place in the woild in refer- ence to the production of sugar. Whereas, a few years iig<», a verj' small pro))ortion of the world's oonsnniption of sugar was other than cane sugar, within the last ten years, in F.uropean countries especially, a great change has taken place. The cultivation of the beet has been encouraged, and beet-root sugar has been inaniifactured under Uov- ernment bounties ; ami tiiis has been so sueeesnful under that system tliat at the present time a little more tiiaii (l.'i ]ier cent, of the world's consumption nf sugar is minU' from the beet, Forthelast twelve or thirteen years we in Canada have had more or less s|)asmodic or contiiiiieit attempts to introduce the culture of thibcet in order to make sugai- therefrom, riieattemiitshave been to a large i>xtnit t-x])erimen- tal, anil 1 do not think, from what iniiirmation I have so far, that the results can be said to have bi-en sue- cessful. However, lam nut here to-day to aiLiuethat i|Uestioii /I/O or roil. I have my own opinion in refer- ence to it. I am not lure to say that 1 believethat, by tin- introduction of the bounty system in Can- ada, it will lie imssibU' for n:<, under fair conditions and without iiudnc impositions on the (leople, to make the cultivation of beet in this country sno- cesst.il, with our climate, oiir .soil, onr j)rices of labour iiuil all the attendant circnmstances, but I am not iinmiiidfiil of the fact that in the I'rovince of (iluebcc there aie one or two bet-root sugar factories who.se promoters have goiii' in good faith into the enterprise of the manufacture of beet-root sugar. They have their machinery there, they have made their investmeuts, they have sowed their beets, and they are now , through the faruier.s, raising the crop for this year, and lotakeotfall the protection they had when they I'omiiKiiced thesea- son's opeiatioiis w ould appear to be a hardshi|i, iind I think w ill so strike lion, memliers of tiiis Ibiuse. .So lliat I have this to lecomniend, that for one year, this season only. >\liatever beet-root sugar is made wholly from llie beet in the Dominion of Canada, shall be Jiaid. out rif the linaiices of the country, a buimty e((ual to the jirotcction which it Would have enjoyed if the tarill had remained for the year as it was when the farmers planted their beets and went into that industry. When 1 make this statement I also w isli it to lie accompanied by the emphatic statement, that this proposition does not commit me or the (lovernmeiit to the principle of bounty w itii reference to the culture of lieet-root siigai' in this country ; we do not ))ropose to eomniit ourselves to that principle, and the legislation wo ask for now is for this season only, and solely upon tln^ grounds whii li i hu\e mentioned to the House, and which I believe will approve theieselves to the fair sense of the House. Mr. I'ATKIiSON (Hrant). Does the lion, gen- tleman know the amount of bounty per pound'; Mr. FOSTKH. I will read the re.s(dntion : Urmlrid. That it is expedient to provide that, uniler such regulations and restrictions as may be by tiie .Min- ister of Castoin.^ deemed necessary, there may be paid to the inodiicirs of any raw bect-ioot siigar produced in I'liniida wholly from beet < crown therein lictweeii thefir.''t day of, Inly, one thons:ind eicht iiniidrcd and ninety-one, and the fust day of , Inly, one thousand ciulu iiundred and iiiiiety-lwn, a bounty iijual to one ilollar per one liandrcd poiuids, and in addition thereto, three and oiic-tbird cents per one linndrcd pounds for each dcv'ree or friiction of a dcKree of test by poliiriscope over seventy ik'Krees. This will ajijily to the |)resent season only, when the farmers lia\e distributed their seed and are looking forward to the season's operations, and it secures to them the amount of protection which they would havi^ had under the tarirt' as it was at the time when they sowed their seed. Mr. SCRIVER. What about maple sugar t Mr. FOSTKR. Maple sugar remains just as sweet and just as good as it was, without any u Ixiuiity. I have luiotlier resohitioii which I will reiiil c»ii lieiialf of tlic Minister of Ciistoitis: /,'< «<,/)•< (//J'liiit it 19 expedient tonmenj tlic Act, Chap- ter -t;, Kiviseil Sliitiiles, iiititiileil " An Act lespectiiiifllio Custom-,'' liy ri'peiiliiiHi'eclioM W4 llicreut— re.^pcctiniz the retiiiiiig ni Ijonil iil' sugii r, iiioliisses or otlier niateriiil t'loiu which retiiieil .-nKHrcmi he produced. Now, of L'oiii'.sf, tiiiit lli(,'( ioviTiiiiiunt liiis tiiiieii till' duty oil' from law sii^^'iir then; iieuils to Ijh no ' I'tfiiilution, or no law npon wliii.Oi rcf^uiations oiui 111' liiisfil, for till- ri'linin^ of .-iiigar in ImiuiI. Mr. .'^|)i':ikfi', I tiiunli you, anil I tiiiinls tlio Ifousf, for- tlii'ir liinilly iniiiilgfnru in the ri'iiuirks 1 have niaile. ami tlicir iiimlly iece])tion of tiie eoMflu.sions I wliiili I lie ( io\ ernnient, tliroiigh nie, liave lieen alile to announic. I lug leave now to move tliat tlie House re.iolve itself into Connnitlee of \\'ays ami Means on the follow ing resolutions : 1. U'n'ilriil, Tliiit it is e.xpoilieut to iiineiid the Act, oliapnr :..'!, UeviI'ed!^latutes, nililnleil : " An Act re.«pect- iiigthe Unties of Custonii'." liy repealing the items nnm- hered >,», 10, 4UIJ, 41'.(, 4J0, 4'Jl, 41'L'. 423 and 431, in .«chei|nh " A " to the said Act ; and to amend the Act 0(1-51 Vic- toria, I'hapler :ii), intilnled; " An Aet to amend the Act respcotiiiK the Duties of Cu.stoms," liy repealing the items nunihcreil I'Ji.llJTand 12.S, under .section 1 of the s.aid Act ; ami to amend the Act .'i.'! Victoria, chapter 20, intituled : " An Act to amend the Acts respeetimr the iJutie.s of Customs," hy rcpealint? the items nuniliered MS, 15<>, Vil, 15>!. l.'j'J, ItH and KiO, under section 1(1 of the said Act,— and to provide otherwise hy enacting that the following rates of duty be .substituted in lieu thereof: — 1. All molasses and {or syrup N. 0.1'., including all tank bottoms and) or tank washings, all cane jniee and (or conceutrated eane juice, and all beet-root juice and) or eonceulraled bci't-root juice, when imported direct, without traiis-.~hipnii nt, from the country of growth and production, (ri) Testing by polariscope, fo ly deprees or over and not over tit ty-.»ix degrees, a sjiecificduty ot one and one-half cents per gallon. (/.) AVIien testing less than forty degrees, a siiecifie duty of one and one-halfcenlspergallonand in addition thereto, one-fourth of one cent per gallon for each degree or fraction of a degree less than forty de- grees, (c) And in addition to the foregoing rales, a further specific duty in .all cases of two and one-half cents per gallon when not so imported direct without trans-shipnienl. 2. All cane sugar ioid or beet-root sugar nut above mnn- ber fourteen Dutch ."^tandiird in colour, all sugar sweepings, all ,-ugar drainings or pumpings drained in transit, all uudadoandoreonccntraledmelado.all moltisses and or concentrated molasses X.E.S., ail eane juiceandur concentrated cane juice N.K.S., all biH't-root juice and or eoneentraled bcet-niot juice Iv'.K.S.,all lank liolUmis.X.K.S., and concrete, when not imporieddirect without Irans-shipmcnl from the country of growth and production, live per cent, ml niliu'im ; jirovidcd, however, that in (lie ease of eane sugar prdduccd in the Kast Indies and im- ported Iherelroni rid llong Kong, such rale of live iier cent, (o/ r'(/<;/v »/ sh.'ill not be exaclcd it trans- shipped at llong Kong. 3. All sugars above nnnilicr fourteen Dutch .^landard in colour, and refined sugar of all kinds, grades or standards, and all sugar syrups derived from refined sugars, a speeilic duty of eight-lenths of a cent per pound. 4. Olucose or grape sugar, glueo.se syrup and, or corn syrup, a siiecilie duty on one and one-half oenis per pound. 5. Cut loliaeco, forty-livo cents per pound and twelve and one-half per cent, ml niloidii. G. Mannlaclured tobacco, N.K..S., and snuff, thirty-live cents per pound aihl twelve and one-half jier cent. till vtif'irvnt. Ale, beer and porter, when imported in casks or other- wise than in bottles, thirteen cents per gallon. Ale, beer and purler, when imported in bottles (six quart or twelve pint bottles to be held locontiiiu one gttllon) twenty-one cents per (ralloii. 9. Spirituous or alcoholic liiiuors, distilled from any ma- terial, or containing or ciuupouiided from or with ilistilled spirits of any kind, and any mixlure thereot with water, for every gallon thereof of the strength of proof, and when of a greiiter strength tlinn that of proof, nt the same rate on the increased (luantity that there would be if the Ii()uors were redueej to the strength of proof. M'hcn the liauors are of a less strength than that of proof, the duty shall bo at tlie rate herein provided, but computeu on a reduced quantity of the liquors in proportiou to the lesser degree of strength; provided, however, that no reduction in quantity shall be comimtod ormade on any liquors below the strength of llfteen per cent, under proof, but all siieh liquors shall bo computed as of the strength of liftcen percent, inider proof, as follows :— (a) Ethyl alcohol, or the substance commonly known as alcohol, hydrated oxide of ethyl orspiritsof wine : gin of all kinds, N.K.'*. : rum, whiskey, and all spiritnoua or alcoholic liquors, N.O.P., two dollars and twelve and one-half cents per gallon. Vi) Amyl alcohol or fusil oil, or any substance known as potato spirits or jxitato oil, two dollars and twelve and one-hall cents per gallon, (c) Jlethyl alcohol, wood alcohol, wood najihtha. pyroxylic spirit, or any substance known as wood spirit or inclhylaled spirit ; absinthe, arrack or palm spirit, brandy, ineludingartiticial brandy and nuilations of brandy; corilialsaud liqueurs of all ki lids. N.E..*".. mescal, pulque, rum shrub, schiedam and oilier schnapps; talia, angostura and similar alcoholic bilters or beverages, two dollars and twelve and one-half cents por gallon. ('/) .Spirits and slrmig waters of any kind, inixcd with any ingredient or ingredients, and beingknown or designated as anodynes, elixirs, essences, extracts, lotions, tinctures or medicines, N.E.S., two dollars and twelve and one-halfcents per gall(in,aiid thirty per cent, ml nilon m. (<;) Alcoholic perfumes and perfumed spirits, bay rum, eologricand lavender waters, hair, tooth and skin washes, and other toilet preparations containing .spirits of any kiuil, when in bottles orllasks weigh- ing not more tiiaii four ounces each, lifty per cent. (id viilanjii ; when in bottles, flasks, orotlier pack- ages weighing more tliiin four ounces each, two dollars and twelve and one-halfcents per gallon, and forty per cent, ml lyilnniii. (/) Nitrons ether, sweet spirits of nitre and aromatic spiritsof ammonia, two dollars and twelve and 0110- half cents per gallon, and thirty per cent, ad ^ riilorrm, ((/) Vermouth and ginger wine, containing not more than forty percent, of proof spirits, seventy-five cents; if containiiigmore than forty percent, of proof spirits, iwo dollarsaiidtwelveand one-half cents per gallon. (A) In all cases where the strength of any of the fore- goiiigarticles cannot be correctly a.sce-tained by the direct application of the hydrometer. it shall bo a.secrtaiiied by the distillation of a sample, or in such other manner as the Minister of Customs directs. 10. Chanipagne and all other sparkling wines, iii bottles coiilainiiig each not more than a quart and more than one pint, I luce dollars and lliirty cents per dozen Dollies ; containing not more than .i pint each and more than one-half pint, one dollar and sixty- five cents per dozen boitles; containing one-half pint each or less, ciglilyl wo cents per dozen bottles; bottles containing more than one quart each shall pay, in nillitiou to three dollars and thirty cents iier ilozen bottles, at the r.ilc of one dollar and sixty- five cents per gallon on Iheiiuanlily In excess of one quart por liotllc, the qnaris and pints in each case being old wine measure; in addition to the above siiecilic duty, there shall beau ml viilunin iluty ot thirty iier cent. 11. Salt, coarse, live cents per one hundred pounds (not to include salt imported from the United Kingdom or any liritish possession, or salt imported for the use of the sea or gulf lishcries, which shall bo free of ^ duty). 12. ■''alt, line, in bulk, five cents per one hundred pounds. 13. l?all in hags, barrels or otlier packages, seven and one- half cents per one hundred pounds, the bags, barrels or other packages to bear the same duty as if im- ported empty. 2. /^ »()/»«/, That it is expedient to provide that there be added to the schedule " C," to the Act, Chapter 33, Revised .Statutes, as being exempt from Customs duties, the following, viz. ;— All caiio sugar and. or beet root sugar not above number fourteen, Dutch Standard, in colour, all sugar sweepings, all sugar drainings or pumpings drained iu transit, all melado and, or oonccntrutcdmela- 15 do, nil molasses iiinl, or conoentriitcd mnliu^ses, N.O.P.. till cane itiii'c anil, ^'y in uHkiiif.' tin; UiMiM' I'or a fiw iimnn'iit.s of patitiit licariii^' at this Intl.' .«laj;i' nf tlic (leliatc, is tliat I iiave Mot, il|> to this period, taken any |iait in what may In- ralh-ii <'.v< luNivi'ly the liaile ile!>.ite whieii lias N-en ^(oiujr on for the last ten or twehe rlayn. Diirinj,' that time I have lieeli in my seat, I think, as patient aii'l eonstant a listener to the speiahes maile upon li.th siih'sof the lloiise, as any other niemlur in it : so that wliile I promise the Mouse not to trespass too lon^' upon their attention, I ilo not think ) am ))resuminj,' too iinuli wlu-n I ask them to listen to me while I make a few remarks in eritii'ism of some things wliieh has Keen saiil to-ni^,'lit. I wisii, first, very hrielly to sjiy something with reyanl to the remarkalile speeeli of my lion, fiieml who has just sal (ioMii, a speech whieh I ilo not notice hecaiist^ of its worth, or heeaiise of its tirguinentativ (• force, or hecause of its courtesy in regard to my- self. Imt liecause it is ,i specimen of the ar- guments which ai'e used too frt(]uently hy hon. gentlcMieii upon the op|«isite side of ).olitics in rcliMttal of tlie policy of the ( iovernnient. J wish merely to (loiut out the unfair metliixl ami argument, if we may call it sucii, which has been adopteil liy the lion, genth-maii wlio ha.s just taken his seal, 'rill' hon. memher for L'Islet asks this House to endor.se the policy of the (iovernment for several reasons. He asks, tir.st, that the Hoii.se e.\pre»s its approval of the tiscal jiolicy of the Con- servative (iovermneiit for- two reasons : namely, for permitting the free im|>orlali<)n of raw materials ; anil, secondly, for the judicious proti'ctioii of our nattiral and manufactured ]troducts, both of which, the resolution asserts, have resulted in the uiarkoil develo)>ment of Caiiadian industries. The hon. gentleman who has just taken his .seat dismissed tlii.s proposition with a single refeience to its first, and with a total disregaicl of its second basis ; and he .said we were oalled upon by the young and V(;rdant member for L'Islet to vote conlidence in the policy of the (ioveiiiment, because, forsooth, that (lolicy had encourage,<." My limi. fi itml, if .siuli 1 may lli' aililitiini to tlic ilclit iliii lii;^ the last two years, and the linii. ;leril leiiiail tlaii Went (111 til IJiake llie asseilidil that tlleie was s;t,tMltl,(KK) i>f imieaseil delit illll ill;; llie last two years. In liotli of these statements the Imn. i^elil ieliiiin's mellioils are unfair ami eliaraeteristii ally unfair. Not only is it true that there has lieeii no a|i|ire>'ialile aililition to the piililie ilelit in the last : twii years, Imt the |iro|i(psilioii is also true, a.s to the ade(|iMle |priivisioii for the |iiili|ie .serviee, us tot the credit of tile eoiintry and the larjre siir|iliises. • lie altai'ked none of them, Imt he .said that the lion, memlier for l/Islet was ;,'iiilty of a falsehood, of makiiii.' a false staleiiieiit in deciarili;; there hail lieeli no inerease in the |niMie delit. 'I'lu' , lion, ueiitleiiiaii knew just as well as the yoiiiiyest \ and most Ncrdant iiiemlier in this House knows, J and no one knows it lietteithan himself, .unl he wouM eolisider it ,111 ill>illl to his ilitelli:,'eiiie if one Were to |ioiiit it out to him, that wlieii we are ] s|)eakini,' of the ilelit of this eoiintry, its inerease or ' di'crease, we are speakili;,' of the net deht whieh is . the true measure of the delit ; ami I ehallen;,'e the | lion. j;entleiiian to stale th.it it is not literally ' true as emiiodied in this |iro|iosition of the lion, i memlier for L'Islel, that in the last twn years there i has lieell no a|i|ireeialde ilU'rease in the |)lllilic deht. | .''iir, my lion, friend aL'ain says that this (loverii-, iiieiit and the lion, meinlier for l/lslet ill |iro|)osin;,' j this poliey should have heeii the last to have said anylliiiii; alioiit the removal of the duties on ' tea, eotVee and [lartieulai ly on sui;ar. \\ fU, if i the lion, memlier for L'Islel shoiiM he ihe last one ! to say anylliiiij; ahout sii;;,ir, that eritii-ism nii^dit | apply to a f,'reat many other nieiiiliers and par r tieularly to lion, jzeiitlenien opposite, for, if j there is oni: thini^ that has struck down i ileep into theiy marrow hones and rankles I there to-ni;,dil, it is the fact llial this ( Jovcrniiieiit, wliicli they have heialid so iiiucli, whose policy they have so much ileiided, w Iio.m' c\lra\ aL;,ince they lia\e so iniicli talkeil ahout ,iiid w hose iiiipetid- ini; mill they have declared to he certain, has heeii ahle after twelve years of exceptionally suc- cessful j,'overnniiiil in this country to take otl' .•<.'{, .')(MI,(KMI from the liurdens of the people and lo iiiipo.se no ,'ip|)i'ecialile taxation in compcii.sit ion for it. Kilt the lion. ;,'eiilleman .said we should talk lillh' iliout siiL'ar liec.iuse, forsooth, we have taktn the lUly oil and .so destroyed our prospticts of a West India trade. I simply note this hy uainiiii; it ; it does not reipiire an ar.i{iiiiieiit for men of iiitellij,'ence and those who are aci|iiaiiited with the circiimstanceM of the case to know thill the slalement is not a correct one. He .s.iys \\t'. talk as if discrimination was a new tliinj;, .ind ileclared thai the tiirillof 1S.")1 discriminilcil .■i;;ainsl f Ileal Itritain, when everyone who has reail history know s that, as rejiards the articles admitted from the I'liilcd Slates into Canada liy that treaty, j similar articles if they came from MuLrland were ad- mit I cfl on exactly the sal lie terms : no discri mi nation j was intended, no discrimination was iillowed, and | no discriiiiiiiiition was actually/ practised or carried I out. My lion, friend .says that the tri'aly iie,i,'oliators of l.StIK, acliially in their ilrafis of the iicLColialioiis, had pro\icled for discrimination a;.;ainsl lliej;oods| u — 2 of (Ireat lililaiii. and yet, .Sir, we liaxc against the iinsiipporh i| lestinioiiy of .Mr. Iliiiilin^ton, which has iieeii reail here and which has heeii met time and a;,'aiii in this House, the staUnicnt of .Sir l''ranii- Hiiicks, ami the slatemeiii of .Sir .loliii A. Maciionald, that altlioiiL,di they wire not allowed to liriliu' down these papers lieiaiise secret and con. lidi iitial papers could not he l)roiij,dii down they ihallcnced the accuracy of .Mr. II mil in;,'toii'H state- ments, and that denial stands •.'ood to-day against the slalement which has l.eeii read here fniiii .Mr. Hunt in^lon, and it is assured in the li^lit of history that from the year Is,"i4 to the priwnt time, (ireat Ih'ilaiti has never had to conteniplate iliscriniina- tion in lefc rence to recipioiily treatitM which have heeii ne;,'otiated, or which havehceii actually made, helween the I'lliled States and this country. 'I'llt^ lion. ;.'entleiiiaii refers to the treaty of ( leor^e lirow n ill IsT'i the draft tnaly which he says hy the way we ciinie pretty nearly getliiii:. N es, we did ; we were ready for it, and willini,' for it, and the other side of llie line Would have nothinjj to do with il. 'I'lial is just how near we came to uettiii;,' 'I. He says that draft disiriminatcd ami |irovidcd for discriniination a'^ainsl (Ireat Ihilaiii, anil yet he knows that the Hon. (leor^(> lii'own himself, in his place in Parliament, and llie Hon. .Mr. .\lacken/ie as well, repudiated any ide.'i of disci iiiiiii.ition, ami deelareil that not only did it not exist, Imt that every article from (Ileal lii'ilain of liki- kind should come into lliis counliv upon the same comlil ions and on perfect eipi.ility, with those that came from the United .St.ites. I wish lo notice just for a moment the climax of the aruuiiient of the lion, meiiiher for (,hieeii"s ( Mr. Davies). I want it to he listened to in this House ; 1ml 1 hope it w ill nevi'i' f,'et as far as W'ashiiiL'lon ; I hope it will never even reach IJar llarlioiir, for if lliei|iiick ciirs of .Mr. lilaine over catch it, the lii'ii. ijeutlciiian ami his col.Jits may come on this siile of the House, and remain here for a h '.'ion of years, hut they will have to turn their whole |)olicy inside out, and repiidiatu the lion, memlier for (,)ueen"s (Mr. Davies) heforc they uet any treaty from the United .States. ^Vlly is that ? .^ly lion, friend knows, foi' Ik^ has staleil it, and so has the leader of the Opposition, and so have all i^entlemeii on that siih , and it ix open to reason that the l.'nited .Slates will eiiiicludu no treaty with this country out of sheer kindness and goodwill for us. 'I'lioy will not con- clude a treaty with this country unlcs.s they hope to f,'et some advaiitaf.'e out of il. Hon. gentlemen opposite tell us that the only aihantajie that the United .Stales can c;et under reciprocal trade is to he found in the fact that they will ohtain a market here for their inaiiufaclured goods. That is it. 'I'liey dare not take any other position in their love for till,' |)oor farmers, as they call them, and they do not take any other position. Xow listen lo my lion, friend from (,)iiem's (.Mr. Havies). He coinmences w itli a fairly mild statement, and he emls w ilh a strong ami extreme one. That is the way of the lion, genllemaii. His lirst stateinent wan this : We will import much the same goods from (Ireat liritain as now, if we get unrestricted re- ciprocity. Tien he put his foot upon thechairand hi' recalled the eoiiversation that he had with u lirominciit ini|iorter in the .Maritime I'roviiiees, who acliially told him : ^'es, .Mr. I (avies, you get unresiricleii reciprocity, and carry il into utlect, uiul 18 I will inipr)rt, with tlip rxrrption of a few i'f)t»()ii Iirjiils, iiMic'li llii'Maiiii' v''""!^' froin ( irriit liiitain tliitt ilci now . Ami IIkii III' ;ilii|ilillri| tli;il. ami lie cm In I Willi III" stinin.' slatciiiiiil : ■• I'laiiiiiilly, «<• will iiii|»>ii llic Ml V siiiiic piipcls fmrii (inal lirilaiii .i^ w<' ilci miw. " 'i'lic II, if «(xliiill dii SIP, I iisk liiiii. jifllllcllll'll (i|i|Misilc W illlt ijllii/ I'll) 'lllii lllity l'X]lirl tlif I'liitcil StatiM will net l>y iiiii»-.sliiiU'(l ic ri|iii(iily, if lliiy iHiiy il mil V If ilu- li"ii. ;;<'iillf mall liaH aN iiimli iiilliiriici' ns he lias aMsiiiii|ilion, lie has rIVccliially ilaiiiiirtl iinifst riiti'il i('ii|)niiity fii.iii liiis Ikhii- liciii rfiiitli ami fcpicvci'. lint, furtii- iialily, tlic Ikhi. ;;riillciiicii is only a fcatlui in llif Mil of llic kill', lie is only a small |)ip|lioii iif llir |iai'ty, iiml il may ln' llial in tlic liniii ami liiiny nf llii'ilisinsNiiinliissniall Miii r \\ ill lack pciwcr in reach so far as \Vasiiinf,'tiiii, aiin. gentleman has nii failh in iinnianity ; especially limnaiiity mi lliis side nf Ihe llonsc, ami he iicvi'i' rises hill hi' lic;,'ins liy a priifcssiim nf faith : his creed is that there is n<> hiinesty of pnr ] lose on the Conservative side of the House. Mr. DAVIKS (P. I'",. I.) I did m.t stale aiiytliing of the kind. Mr. I'().S'!"I'".K. His profession of fiiilli i.s that there is no good motive, and tliere is no honest tninciple on this side of the House. Mr. DAVII'^S (l'.l'',.l.) I riseti.aiioini of order. 'I'lie lion, nenllcinan is iloiiig now as he persists in doin;; wheiievi'i he replies to me ; lie is dcliliciately niisrepresentini,' my stateinent. I never maile such a slat«'iiient. On tlie contrary I have always recofiiiized that tiierc are a very hiv^v. majority of pnllcnien on the other side of liie House with whom I have the kindest social relations, and I know that they have just as much honesty of pui'iio.se as 1 have and as my lion, friends have. Mr. l'"OS'l'l''K. 'i'hc lion. f,'eiitleiii,in lias now Htated his point of order, and I will leave it even to the very youiinman from 1,' Islet ( Mr. Desjardiiis) to pass his opinion on that iioint of order from so old and wise and loiij; slandiiiga meiiilperof this House, .Some hon, .MH.MIiKK.S. Take it hack. Mr. FOSTKK. 1 will stale what I stated hefoie, that I never remeiiiher the lion. ),'entleniaii lisiuf; and making a speech in this House, wilhout liisal- trihutinj,' a lack of honesty of motive ami principle to this side of the House. He did il loiiiu'ht ; he know.s lie did it, and ho knows he always does il. He knows that when he jiuts the hridle on hisstei'd and places his foot in the stirrups, he no longer has control of the steed ; and if there is any i|iieslioii of jiulilie policy of any kind that is )iioposed and carried out from this side of tin- House, the lion, gentleman thinks that the hest way to meet il is hy impeaching the honesty and good motives of it.s sup- jiorters and so he denies that we have any desire for reciprocity on this side of the House. He says that our .statement to the contrary is a sham and delii Hion, and he goes upon that assumption here as in Ihe country. Now, if my hon. friend will lake a little advice from one whom he esteems so highly, he poHsihly will allow nie to say to him that he will got along hotter in this House, hotter in the j world, and at greatoi' peace with his own conscience, what thoreisof it, if liewill just go upon tliea«suiiip- tioii that there is some honesty, some good motive, ami some good principle in other liioasls than hi.s own. Mr. .MIMXlloihwdl). Wlmt in tlio (Joverii- ineiit plan for reciprocity ? .Mr. KO.S'I'KK. I really cannot attend tothelioii. niciiihcr for <,iiiei'n's (Mr. I)a\ics)and answer the philosophi/ing musings of the lion, inenihcr from liotliwell ( Mr. Mills) all at once. One at a time. .Mr. .MILLS (lloihwelli. What is the Covirn mint plan ? Mr. l''().roof which Would ho sali.sfactoiy to tlii.s Houso or the 19 iciiiiitiy. Wlial >sa.s tlic stati'iiiciit uitli wliirli we \Miil to till' iiiiiiiliy f ll "ii" finliiMliiMl ill ilic ( )iclcr ill < 'iiiiiiril, i( WiiN sliilcil liy Sir .luliii 'riiciiii|> sciii aiiil iiiysrit' itl ■>iii'lii'>l iniii|iai'.'ii iiic'cliii;.' iiitlic lily iif 'riironlii, it \sii!< Klatnl in llii- |iiililii' |ia|ii'i.-< ami at iitlii'i' |)iililii' ^'atlici ili;;.>, ami tlic n\M of it was this, that >.iiii'(' IHIKi iicj^ntiat ions hail Iwrii raiiiril on fcir irii|inMity tr.'atiis ln'tUfrii this I'oiiiitry ami the t'liittit siali'i, Imt tliat I'lniii that lime II 1 1 tci a fiw « I'lksa;,'!! then' hail linn no shim • inj; liy t hr |irii|ilr of tlir I 'liilril Slatrsiil iilir sin^'Ir faMiiiialili' iiiii iiiii;; foi' till' nr^'iil iatimi uf mihIi a trraty : Imt (liat uilliin thr last fi'W wii'ks, in ni';;iitial ions whiili witi' lu'iii;; lairii-il mi >\itli thr hiami III Nrw t'onmllaml, in wliiili Canailiaii inter I'sts Will' M'ly maily all'irtril, it lia">>^ '1 iliiiir hail Iiitii ii|>i'ni'il liy tlii' Snii'lary nf Statr for thr I'liitiil Statrs liiiii- Hclf, mill an invitation hail lirni ;;iM'ii to (anaila In siinl roinniissiomi s to W'asliiiiLiton lor an iiiloiiiial talk ami roiifirrnri' with nfrri'iiir to a rr<'i|>rority treaty. 'I'liat in sinii ami siili stanee is »hat was slateil : that in sum anil siili- stame is true ; ami I am mil res|ioiisilili', ami llie ( iovenniii'iit i^ not res|iiitisi)ile, for ani|ilili< alioiis of that statenii'iil whirhmay lie iiiaile. I>ut that is the essential ll nth, and that Irutli is lioiiie out liy the papers \i liiili have lieeii liioiinht ilowii to this Ijoiise. After all, what iloes it matter whether the lU't'ol iatioii romuiemeil in one way or in another'.' The whole point is that up to that lime there was no iloor openeil liy the I'liiteil States, tliat at that time the Secretar; of State liiiiisi'lf inviteil eonfereme, that since that time tlii' Secrelary of Slate ami the I'resiileiit ollieially have issiieil a formal invitation, ami that on the I'Jih of Oetolier we are to semi to \\'asliiii;.'ton a ileU'^at ion to ne;;otiate, if jxissilile, a treaty of reiipiocily upon lines whiih may .seem fair ami just on the liasis laiil ilowii liy the Onler in Coiilieil wliieli I have (ploteil here lo-nij^lit. That is the simple i{Uestion, ami all oilier is ipiilililing. IJiit if you wish to ;,'o liack to that, 1 say thai the lialil stalemeMl niaile liy the tlovernineut is true in every parlii-iilur, ami is earrieil out liy the jiapers wliieli ha\i' lieeii liloufjht ilowii to this House. My lion, fiieiiil saiil that there was an ohl physieian, liviiii; lonii, loiii,' aj;o, J suppose, who for every ills- ease hail lint one icnieily. I think he saiil llial was hleeiling ; it matters not. That reiiuily he woiilil call a |)anai'ea ; ami we know that what cures every iliseasi' that humanity is heir to i.s known liy that name. Well, .Sir, there isa iloclor of that class aliroail in this country to-ilay : he is a professor of uniestricteil reciprocity. He sits not very far fidiii me in this House, anilaliout opposite to me. He has ileelareil that the farmer is in a terrilily ilolcfiil state to-ilay ; thai mil him,' will .sav(^ him Iml uniestricteil ri'ciprocity. .Mortgaj^'es are crop|iiiij; up every year ; not hiiij:; will i iil us of iheni Imt uiirestricteit ncijirocity. Taxation is heavy ami lii^'h ; the only hope is \iiireslricteil reciprocity. This country is ;;oiii;; to the doj^s as fast as it can, ami is now almost tumlilinji ovei- the lirink of ruin ; save it liy uureslrictcil reciprocity. That is w hat my lion, frieml must have hail in his iiiimi, which calleil up the rememlirance of the ohl iihysiciaiiof long af^'r a loll;,' series of year. Why, lonj; liefole the niedi- : line has had lime to take ellecl the patient niiiy I die. We are told now thai only one liar at a lime 1 of this ( liiiiese wall that separates us from lilierty and life must lie taken down, and meanwhile what will liecoine of the hungry and thirsty waiting oni's ? How alisiiiil, after the pieachings and pre- dictions of the last ten years, to li 11 the mass of the I people even the majority liy their owncounl, who are looking to them as the only saviours of this leonntry, who are to snatch lliein from this policy of monopoly and ruin, thai after all the trealment can only lie applied in hoiiioiipathic form, and in very small doses at that. .My lion, friend lapsed into scripture, and he made a ipiotation as to I'iiul at I'lphesns preaching against the idolalors and si in iiig 11)1 a eerlaiii political leader liy the name of Hi'uieli ins, who was afraid that all the gain he got from making idols and such things would lie taken away. .My lion, friend went a little too far. Instead of irossing the sea to l'".pliesus, he should have slop|ied at Athens and listened tii I'aul preaching to the people of that great city ; and iinding that he could do uolhing with them, lie- cause they had a temple upon which was an in- scription, " III the unknown god." As was the ca.se with I'aul with the Allieiiians, .so we hei-eean do very little with lion, gentlemen opposite. They lia\e that temple dedicated to the iniknown god, and for the last ten years they, have heeii trying amongst Iheni to conjure up a name for that god so thai they can place it in their teinplu under its proper designation. Then my lion, friend talked foia long while almiit the power of consumption in this countiy not lieiiig ei|iial toils power of production, and he thought that was a great evil and source of weakness. 1 hope that the |iiiwer of coiisuui|ition in this country will never liecome eipial to its pciwer of production. I eer- lainly lio|ie it will never exceed the power of pro- ductidii, liecaiise if it should, how would we live? 1 suppo.se it is the chronic condition of all great powers and progressive states that their powers of liroductioii exceed their powers of consuinption. Now, the lion, gentleman says, as Canada has reached this stage has it not always reached this stage — when its jiowers of eonsiimption are no longer eipial to its |)owers of production, a great want is felt, which tlu^ (.)p))osition havi^ di-scovered and that is outside markets to take away our surplus produetinn. And then the lion, geiitleinan proceeds to treat the working of our policy. We have liiiilt up mills under it, and then following the mills came over-)ii'iiduclion, and then came the eomliines ; and now there is liul one way out of the dillicully. We must get rid of that hick of lialance lietweeii jiroduction and consninp- I ion, and the lion, gentleman propo.ses that we shall do .so liy unrestricted reciprocity, liy opening wide the doors lietweeii oui.selves ami the United States, ; liecau.se -whisper it softly — the United Stiites are •Jl) u I'liiiiiliv ulii'ir hiii'li .1 filial t';il:i:jiit y iiM t ImI of (iviT |iifMliirliiiii m iiiikiKiNs II. w liii r llif |Miwi'iH ot |lllllll|l IJMIl, mill if cilHc Wf UMI tlllTc-, We \Milllil liiridilf rii'li Iii'VoikI iill i'\|ii'('liitiiiiit woiilli'ii iiiilI-< iiikI I'oltiiii iiiilN riiiliiil iii;^ tlii'ir iiKMliiiiinii ill tl.^s cimiity. I'lil Ii^h he licvir l(:iil tllf NiH Kliyliiliil |iii|«is? hues lir lint ktinu lliiit tlii'K' li:iH mil lii'i'li a yriir in tlir last ten nr turlvi' yiars, in uliidi llicif liavi' nut liri'li pel iiiilic III sliiiiiiHi;!"^ iif till' Kiiiiidlc* iiM'l llir mills ill I lie Niw KiiL'liinil Slates, ill unlit In liiiiiv' "vcr JlllllllK'lillll Sllllll'W III ll' Mini III till' l'l>IISMIM|ltili|l of the |irii|ile. Ml. MIIJ> (l-.iilliMill). Ileal, liin.. Ml. I'OSTKU. ^■e.s, we will lie woiiili iflilly lulielileil. 'I'lii.s ciiliniiy wliiili lias Mill'eii'ii iilulel- till' (liieeiilainity nf limliiij; ils |iiiMliiiliiMi exeeiil ilH eiillslllll|lt inn. will lie Wiinilel fully lielpeil liy ^,'iiin^; ill with the I'liileil .Stales « here I lie |kiw i in nf riinsiilii|p| inn iile sn j,'leat eniii|)iilei| with their |in\\ersnf |irni|iii'l inn, t hal I hey are seiiijin^ lillll' (Iic.Ih nf iiiilliiins nf their surplus |)ini!iiiis. which they eiiliiint use tin inselves, to the rest nf the w'nrlil, mill |irniliiets nf thi! vt^ry smnc kiml ii.s (linse 'if wliieh we liiive mi iiver |irnilililinli linw. I'lllt 1 want tn enliie linwil linW, if I |insHil>ly lail. tn the very liiiirinw anil hone nf the pnliey miil innceilnre nf linn, ^^enlleineii n)i))n.'.ile. They have twn nietiinils nf |iinien|ih>. 'I'liey try In i|n that iiime than in any nther way lpy attai'kin;; the Naliniinl I'niiry. ami nm-e they raise this ery nf fear and scare in the cniillliy lliey prnceeil In ilailjilc liefnie the |ienj)le that linimen|iatliic panacea, I am .snrry tn ^ay, nf niiresti icieil recipincily as the niiiy lliiii;; that can liriniL; saUatinn tn the wnefiil slati' nf all'aii s w liicli exists in their nw II iiiia;.'iiialinn, Init nf which llie |)en|)le as a rule are Missfiilly i;^nnianl. They al- taik the Naliniial I'nliiy lint knnwini; llic sttcii^jlli anil lilire nf thai which lliey attack. They ima^'iiie the Natinnal I'nii y alli its nieiciy a set nf rclineis, nf wnnlh'ii ami c( [Inn mill nwners, ami that w hen they attack the .\aliniial Policy, this is the nnly class they have tn ileal willi in this cniintry. .Sir, the Natinnal I'nlicy in lliis country, is imt re.strieti'il t«) :uiy class. It has a tii|ile cnril nf stren;,'lli in it. 'I'he Xalimial I'nlicy in this cniinliy, lKM;aii In ilawii when we ynl linhl nf the lilnail prairie lamls nt the Nnrtli West. It iS,rvw still fuller when we linkeil liritiHli Cnhiinliia ami that t'leat North- West cniintry tn the heart nf Caniiila. with an iron lianil. It ile\elopeil itself still iiinre in Is"*^. when linine markets ami hniiie pioiliictinii were helped hy the intrmlnctinii nf a leasniialile and jiidiciniis sysleiu nf prntectinn ; am! it saw its rnnnded fiiltilment when the Canadian I'acitic Railway W'a.s ennipleted, ami when mir steam cnmmimi- calinns were prnviiled, and niir canal system pci- focted for internal coumuinication. That i.s the triple strenjjtli nf this National I'nlicy. It is tn he fnnnd in the developiueiit of the national resouices of tliiH country ; it is to he found in the mu'liplica tion of means of transport for inUi |)iovinciiil trade, ami in the creation nf liniiie industries and lioiue luniluctinii ; and it is tn he fniind ill the extension 4liiit lliis ili'|ii'inls t wheal intn this eniiiiliy free nf illlly. Imt, when \nn lake ynnr wheal intn the Anieiieaii inarkel, \ mii will liavi' In )iay II illlly nf "i.") eeiils nil every Inislnl ynn lake liver iheie. That is their |inliey. 'I'liey ilesire the ^'nnil will theinseU e.s nf the fariiieis. This is their emu mem la linn. They say, weihi mil lielieve in ailiily nil the iieet'.s.saries nf life. Then tin duty liiiisl he taken nil' llniir. that is tn say, that the inillin^' iinliistries whieh are feil Ky the f.iiiiiers will have the |irnteetimi taken nil' theii llniir.aml the .\iiii i lean miller call place his llniir nf all ^;railes free in niir iiiiirket, while mir millers will li.ive In jiay .'>!|.'2(( nil every liallel they semi intn the I'liiteil .Stales. Then they wniihl fX<< In the enal millers nf NiAii Scnlia ami New Itriinsw ick. In llie enal millers nf r.rilish Cnlnmliia, In the enal miners nf the Xmili- West, men wliii Inil ilnw ii in the clepths nf the earth ami hy lianl lilnws striiek in iliiii,L;ei'niis jilaee.s maki! their liviiij^ ami raise these eiials In the surface fnr the |irnilmlinii of lie.it mill innlive iinwer, anil they will .say: Tniliiiiaml liinil nil, ami, w hell ynli have rai.seil vniir enal In the sill face, we will |iiit -Vnieiiiaii iiial hy the siile nf it free nf iliily ; lint, when ynil take yniir enal iiiln the L'nileil Stales ynn w ill have tn |iay "."i cents nn every Inn. That is I he linn, ^'entlemeirssiilieitinlefiir theiniiiersnf this eniintry. They w ill^^n tn the haiily fishermen nf this cmintry, ami they "ill say : We have Inve fnr ymi. we have .saiil many liiave wnrds fnr ynn in Parliament, Imt we lielieve that thefnnil of this cmintry shniilil he free ; ynn may latcli ynnr lisli ami semi it tn the I'nileil .Slates ami jiay I cent or \f, cents or }, a cent iliily mi it, Inil the Ainericaii ti"nliui'meii may place their tish f ice of iliilv ill llie ( '.iiiailiaii iiiaiket. They will •,'■■ In I In- pniii raisers ill I 'lime Kilwaid Islainl. frmii which my hull, fiieml iMi. haviiHi i niiies, .iinl w lin ilneH lint leinelnlier thai Wnnilel'flll aclnluilic feat nf IiIh Imt a year a^'n'f We have lieanl sniiiel hin^' aliniit aeinlials in this ilehate, Imt here was a free Irjiiler w 111! raiseil his vnice cnii.itaiitly a;;ailist the iiinn si inns lalill ami llie ha l ha l mis sy si em nf pi nl eel inn iliail^'iiraleil liy I his I inx ei niiielit, ami y el w hn well! sl|n|i;^|y a;;allist lliy linn, fliellil frnlll ('hallnlle ( Ml . < illltllnrl W hn Isall linllest fl ee 1 1 ailenilnl wnllhl slainl hy free Iraile tlinii^'h e\eiy lislierman ami polk raiser in the Cminly nf Ch.ii Inlle wen I aijaiiisl it; ami the Imn. ;,'ent leiiian frmii I'lince Kilwaiil IslamI .saiil : I aiiia free trailer nn principle, hut w hen il Iniiclies my cmiiily, I want pinlecl inn nnpnik, lint .'{cents, Iml licellls pel pnllllil. They will '^n In the pnrk raisers nf the cisl ,'iml w esl , and (.'i\ e I hem the Hialifyiii^,' iiitelli;;ciice that w hill' .\iiieiii an pnrk call iiiniein here free nf duly, that for e\el'y pmiiid nf p' Ilk they send intn the rmled .S|,ites I hey will have In pay '2 cents. They will have In (ell I lielii I hat liacnii.-. ..:.'! I'lliis w ill cnine in here free, Inil Ihal niir liacnns and h.iiiis ;.'; intn the .\iiieiicaii market w ill ha\ c to pay a duty nf .'i cents a pniiinl. And .sn nil all llirnll>:h I he list. Let me enliillieliil Ijlis In linn, ^cllllelnill nppnsiti'. They have In ;,'li In (he liye elcclinns this fall. They liaxe tn iiiecl the eleclnrale, and niatiy nf llii'in leprcseiil a^'l iciill iiral cniiiil ics. Let I hem call the fai liieis In^^elhei'inlhnse cminties and say : This islhepnlicy nf the parly which I snppnit, I am pled^'ed In take oil' the duties on the iieces.saiies of life, and the mmiiiiil we ^;i'l intn pnwer We will lake nIV those ilnties. hilt al the same time while I'nited Slates wheat, lloiir and heef ,'iml pork and haioii and hams, pola- toes and Imtler and cheese cmiie in In cninpele with ynn file in ymirowii niarkcls ymi shall not p'l a poillid of all llie.se pindmls into ihe riiiled .Stales iiiarki'l will'.oiil paying! alniosl prohiliilivc diilic'i. This policy, .Sir, is not even a jii;^ hamlled policy no. it is a policy which is all handle and nn jii^ Inil al all. I ask linn. },'enlleliien nppnsile In think ho» they will lie alilc lo make such a policy aeceplahle to the elecloiate. lint there is a still iiinre alisiird plia.se which has liei'ii already alluded to. \'oii take the dill ics oil' the prime lieces.saricH of life, liiid then you ;io tn the United Stales of America and you .say tn I'resident Ilarri.smi and Mr. IJlaine : We want tn sit dnw n w itii ymi and make a treaty with you. Yes? We want ynn tn lei niir pi idiicts intn your ciiuiiliy free. N'esV And in turn we will ;;ive ynn ad\aiilaj;es in mil' markets. Then cmnes the ipieslimi: What are the articles which ymi prnpn.se tn let intn ymir cnuntry free '.' The answer will lie, pnrk, wheal, licef, llnnr and sn on. Ihil it will he said: ^'nll Icl I hem ill free iinw ; we have all we want nnw , and wil limit t'iviii^' you aiiythin;^ therefor. If I hat is their policy and if that is carried out, llii'y cut the ■ground from umler their feet and take away the only indiiceiiieiit they have to oiler to ohtaiii recipi ity from the I'nited ,Slat»H. 'I'lial cuts the f^idiiml frnin iiiider their feel ill repiril tn natural |ii'nilucts. My Imn. friend from l.hiceii's (Mr. DaviesI lia.s already cut Ihe t;rouiid away in rejiaiil lo mamifactiired >.'cioils comiuj,' from i;riat I'.ritain. Then there is iml hinj^r left, lunmniny and defeat Wniild lie nnthing coiii- piircil tn the reeeptinn wliioli would meet any Hot of ')•) mill W llii \Milllil ),'(! tllill;,'liill lo llc;^(iliill<' .1 ti'i'iity III! siicli 11 liasjs iiH tliiil. Now, Sir, let us iisk wliat mil fstrictcil rcci- |ii(i(ity it*'.' W'liiit it wiis, is imw nn l(iii:;fi' tiii' iliii'stioii : wliiil it is. is tiic luiiiiiii;,' (nicsticni, mill wliiit it WHS anil wlial it is, aw t«ii tliiiii;s MTV ililli'Irlit. May I lie pri mil tfii to ilililic what it is, iiml will my imii. t'liiiuls rciall iiir i|iiii'kly In tin: ri;,'lil |ialli if 1 Nti'p nut nf it in (lie way (if licliiiitiiiu '.' Wlu'ii ymi fid uinrsliirtnl li'i'ipiiiriiy yiiii will liavr ficiilnlii nf illlcl riiiirsc lii-lurni tlif I'liitfil Stall's ami Caiiaila in all natur.il |)iiiiliiits nf laili rniintiy. I am rii,'lit in tliat. Ilirl'c is iiniliinlit almiit it. All tlii' tliiii<;s tliat arc i;ii)\\ 11 in I lir I'liiliil Slali s of Aniiiica « ill iiiiiic inlo ( 'auada firi' : ivoiylliini.' |ii'nilurfil iiiCaiiaila as a iiiitiiral |)ii)iliiit will i.M ililii the lIiiiliMl States free. 'I'lial is I he lirst |il ilear fanner fiieiiil, my ilear arli/,,iii frieiiil, In the treaties wliieli have lieeii passid lietweeii eivili/eil Uatinlis. Mr. [,.\ri;lKI!. The hmi. j,'eiilleman kiinws thai the i|iieslinii he |(iits In nie is a Inatler nt agreement. It is a matter nf ai,'reeiiieiit, ami it is im|inssilile to say ll|>i)n sileli a i|liesliiill nf iletail. ulial the airieeliielil u ill lie nr will lint lie. That has In he ileciileil liv linlh lialiolis. Mr. FOSTHIt. What is the )in.silioii the hull. ;,'eiilleliiaii |irn|inses In lake on that elass nf liial- elials ': Mr. MIM.S (llolhwell). Ifow does llie hull- geiitlellian |iro|iose In work niil his nwii I lieol y '! . ,, . . , ^. , , Mr. FOS'l'I'.l!. I''rnm whiehever leailer I ask the i.'.i mil) the I lilleil Males I i""- « ■ • 1 II 11 iiuestlnn, 1 eaiiunt eil an answer. liiii|ile, we are all aj,'reeil | ' ' nil that. Seenmllv, air i^oimIs mamifaet 111 eit fioni i M''- MrMIM.AN. If ynll eo to W ashllij^lon what is yrnwii ain'l iirmlneeil in the I'niteil States ; what jiosition will you lake'.' W ill enllie illtn this eolllil ly f lee ; all f,'nnils inaiiu- .Mr. H )S'ri*',K. 'I'lie same iliileliniteness wliiell faetnreil from what is ^;rnwii ami proilueeil in this markeil the eampaii^ii fnr uiire.^lrieleil reii|iroiity eoinitiy w ill },'o into the I'liileil Stales free there ; from the lime it eoniiiunreil last year until it iloseil, is lonlit ahoul that. I will e;o oin; sleii furl her 1 .still enntiinies in the House. 1 llioUi,'lit when lo make my ileiinilion more elear. All fnreif,'ii we eaiiie to Parliament aiul liroiinht the men faee |irniliiels nr manufaetures w ill ennie into eaeh ' to faee with us, with an li iiiest ilesire to make iniinlry suhjeet to the tai ill' of thai entintry. i clear liefnre the eniintry what they |)in)iiiseil lo Those .Uoiufi iuln the I'liiteil Stales will pay the have the cleetors vole upon, I thouulil we should I'nilcd Slates' duty; those coming into Canada i get down to a linn, elear delinitioii tluit would will |iay the Caiiailian duty. Thert^ can he no j leave no man in dniilit. I5ut the same game is to dniilil al all nn tho.sc three stalenients. Natural i he played on this jioint that was played on the prniliiets free liotli ways; all inanufaetiires from | point nf disiriminal inn, that was )ilayed U|ion my natural |ii(iiluets of the two countries, fret^ hotli hnn. friend frniii Huiitingdoii (Mr. Seri\ er). who is ways ; all foreign goods, w hetlier natural or luann- 1 so i|uietly resting in his eliair yonder. The lion. faetnreil, pay the duly eaeh eonntry imposes upon I memher for l,>ueen's (I'.K.I.) said to-nighl : It has them. Ileri' is where my douht arises. Suppose always lieeii known that nnrestrieled reciprocity lied discrimination. The lion, gentleman from impi Huiilingdon did not know it did not know it after the election was through, ami 1 do not know" w liethei' he knows it yet. Hut I know he has heard the declarations from his own leaders, and if he does not know it, he ought lo know it. 1 am look- ing with interest to see how he w ill vote on this Discrimination was held up in this un- certain way, now dangled down and now dangled U)), and with what ellecl ',' That in the city of St. .lolin the lights and leaders of the Opposition ici 1 1 ei- III iiui_> ; J (i.-^K : my lion, friend to set my harassinj. upon that jioint. Ml. I..\ri!lKK. If the hon. gentleman will;],, j,,,,^ ti,^ „.^^^^^. ,„aimcr only look at the diDerent treaties negotiated i,^!,;^ ,l,^„gled hcforc the country, am hct ween civih/ed nations, he will have no dithcully I i,,;^ I.sn])iinse, as long as this fad lliat we do not grow a certain thing in this country, do not raise it, do not make it, siudi, for inslance. as tiii-))late Mr. MIIJ.S (I'lotliwell). Cotton. .Mr. l''()STI'",|-!. Such, for instance, as cotlon, to take the nearer ohject to my linn, friend. We do not grow cotton in this country; it is therefore] , . , , nnl a )irnduet of Canada. When that comes into | ''-'*'"'"""' Canada, not lieing a product of Canada, can we' lake it and make it up in our maniifactoiies i mil take it across the horder free of diily'' I ask ■ , i i- i i ■ . i i i i . ,r " i |-. . f ,. , .. i P'li'ly pulilicly and privately dcclartMl to llie people, , on the hustings and in the shops, that tlieri^ would lie no diserimiuation against Kngland. liri'ct taxation is will .,_, . ,,, , ^ .. is in at all 111 solving that ipiestion. ; vogue, althnngli down in the Maritime rrovinces Mr. FOSTI'lH. That is just alioni the detinitc- ' we had men declaring everywhere that no direct ness that I expected in the answer of the lion, gen- i ta.x would lie |iut on this country. A few daj s ago tieiiian. I wished, howexer, to give him a chance we heard the hnn. memher for Ilierville (Mr. In make a elear and honest declaration upon this lieeliard) declaring, in his slurdy, honest way and siilijecl, fnr once in his life, and he has failed to do I honour him for it that the ))aily which makes it. Let me lake that detinitioi; of his liefore the dirc'ct taxation one of the jilanks in its platform, holiest elector of this country, whether he is signs its )iolitical death warrant. .\iidyel,Sir, I in city or enuntry ; when lie puts that (|Uestion ask that hon. gentleiiiaii if he has found in the to me, as he will and must, if he does his duty , ]ireiicliiiien1s and |)redictioiis of linn, gentlemen tn himself and tn his enuntry, and I shall have | opposite during this whole deliate, one single word lo answer him : ,Sir, I ciUinol tell you ; hut I asked of comfort to his harassed soul ; have his leaders ihe nriginator of the scheme, thegreat physician who jioiiited out to liiin any )iiissilile way liy which the islo administer this woiidi^rfnl piinacea in liiiimeo- vast anionnt of revenue that must ho. hist, can he palliic drops 1 asked him hefnre the high court , made good without resorting to direct taxation"; of Parliament, in face of the whole eonntry, ami he Ihit, Sir, I am nil' my track. I knew I slinuhl not had no answer to give, or he would not give it get a plain answer to my i|neslioii. I must come if he had, except this ; ^'nn will have to look, my ! hack to the suhjeet of cotton and wool, and as my 23 liim. friend will not j;ivc' iiu" a ilircct iiiiKwer, us lie (liiiiirs tliiit c|Uc.sti(in, let iiic sIkiw IiIiii wliiit it iiuMiis. It will lie tlic ciiu' tliiiiL! Ill' tin.' iitlii'f. I sii|(|Misc. Kiilicr (lit tun. not luinfi ii |)iipihi(t fice into till' I'niticl States Of it eannot. In eitliei- ease what will liii|)|>en? I wiM lirst reason on the assiini])lion that u |iio(liiet of another eouiitry, when it eonies into tliis eouiitry, eainiot he made n|i ill our lllanllfa^•to|■ieM ami then earried into the I'nitecl State.s market free of duty. What will happen if it eaniiot ? N'on «ill have the iiiosl oiie- sicled free trad<' and the most one-sided reeiproeity that I WW heard of heiii;,' put hefore any jieople. Mr. AldJSOX. Couhl we not get a setotl' t.i this artiele '.' l>owe not allow the Americans to ;,'et liiniher from this eoiiiilry ai.d maniifaetnre it into maehinery, and send that niaehineiN haikhere now '; Mr. l'"()STKH. Yes, and we tax it. Mr. ALLISOX. CouM we not do it jnsta,s well if there was no tax '.' .Mr. KOS'l'KK. Yes. Mr. Al.ldSOX. So cotton could eome here and lie niaiiufactured and canii'd liaek tliere, just as well as tiiiilier can lie manufactured there and the product hidui^hl liai k lici'c '.' Mr. l''().S'ri'"d!. I see that my lion, friend must .soon lie promot(Ml to a front seal, .\1 y lion, friend is at least lionest in his desire to impart know lcdi,'e. lie at least Ives what he thinks is a true .solution. 'I'll!' per cent. That is what will liap|ieii. Take the aiticle of wool. The wools raised in the United States and in Canada ari^ not sutlicieut for either country, and they have to lie imported here very largely. In the Unitecl .States there is, however, a largt^ wciol production; in this eouiitry there is a small wool production. The |)roducer of wool in the United States makes it into woollen cloths, which will come into this country free. We make up wool, which we iiii]ioi-t from a foreign eouiitry, as we have to import it, and when our wool manufacturers take their goods to the Ameriean lionndary tlu'y will he met liy a taiill' running up to l.'iO ]ier cent. or more. T'lat is a lieautiful kind of reciprocity. Take the ioliaceo trade. The United States raisin a great variety of toliaccos, and of gooil (pialities. The Anierieans manufacture toliacco, it being a pi-(Hliiet of that eouiitry, and it will eome into this cmintry free. We raise some toliacco, Imt not nearly siitlii'ieiit. It islironght in here as a foreign product ; it is made U|i here, Imt it w ill he met on the .Vmerican liorder liy a prohiliitorv taritl' of •■^'J.T'i per |iouiid. I could easily go through the cata- logue. That wdiiM he a tine kind of reciprocity ; that would not only not he unrestricted reei|ir(»ity, hut it would lie the most one-sided ]iidiiosal that any ]iarty or any man has ever sulmiitted for the ap- proval of the inU'lligent electors and asked their support for it. I take now the othi^i siile of the (piestion, that these products of other coiintrii's coining ill lieie raw. afterw ards pass as our manu- factured gooils free into another country, each side to lioM control of its own taritl'. What would hap- pen? Taketinplate. The UiiitedStatesduty, which is now ill force, is "J^ cents, a ))roliiliitive (luty and meant to he so. They are endeavouring to make tiii- jilatcs out of their ow n ores and are seeking to liiiild up that niannfactnre in their o\Tii eouiitry. What will happen? All we have to do is to imiiort tin-plate free, as it is to-day on the free list, and we can man- ufaeture tlu' tinware for the United States in spite of aiiyeompetitioii. Will the Un it edStates agree to that? And so you may take article after article on that siil(? of the argument. WJiichexer horn of the di- lemma you take, you are, on this ground of control of the taritV, led into a dilliculty from w hi<:li no lion, menilicr on the other side has atteliipt(Ml to relieve us, and which no one hasattempted to ex|ilain,aiid which 1 helievc is lieyond the Imuiids of )iractieal statesni.inship. Let me go one jioint further. If we had control of our own tarill', how can the United States lie sure of any compensation for any treaty it may make? If it makes a treaty with us for iinrestrictcil reciprocity, the AiiK^ricans will look over the list anil say : We will get entranee to the Canadian market with great advantage to our manufacturers. Iiecau.se they havi^ a taritl' against outside manufacturers ; we will eonsei|iieiitly gather, if we have no duties to pay, the largest ])art of that trade in manufactured ]iidducts ; we will give Canada in return certain advalltag(^s liy way of compensation. The treaty is made and goi'S into force for 10 years. We have control of our own taritl. Immediatc'ly w (■ take the duty oil' hardware. What '/«/(HI,(MH). Wliat was niuic faif tliiiii foi- (lie L'liiteil Slates ill inakiiiua licuty (if iniresl rictcd re(i|ii()(ity to say : We sent s:),(«MI,(MH»of liaidwaic to Caiiiida last yeai- ; tliiit eoiiiiliy olitiiined S.'i.rilMJ.- tHK) woitii from dtlier eoiintiies liesides ; let ns in free of (Inly and we will laktt tlie hardware market, iiiil weliave control of our lariti, and we will let otiier countries in on tlie same terms as the I'nited Stales if we please, or we will lower the duly nearly to tint notch of not liiiiv'. and the rnile(| States so far from u'ellini; its ,■<.■'), .■)(Mt,(MMI niorct from hardware willed nolliin;,' or ne.\t to nolhing. So you may j,'() tlir(iii;;li a loii^' list. With respect to raw material, 1 liaM' already takitii that up find dealt with it. W hat I want to point out is this, and 1 ask lion. j,'enllemeii to gainsay it if they can, that a lixily of tarill is tint es.sential condition of any tre.ity of reciprocity, un'i"g to do '.' .Mr. l*"()S'ri';U. I amcrilici/.ing what the lion, gen- tlemen oppositct think they are going to do. When tliis (picslioii came up the Halifax ('liri|i|is liy tin- liirnriii party that it cvit pr'i|i".-i''l loari't'ijl llii' Aliic'ricMii tarilV as tli<' price 111' ti'ci|iriieiiy. Ami 1 am free In >ay, thai Inil tlie l,iliiTals t'liiic iiitn imwer ami iieiinti iliiins liri'ii npi'iiril I'li'tnrnier- wuulil iievi-r have cmisentt'il Inaierpl reriprn- eity. il'iliiiiii: mi eiilailril plai-iii;; Caiiaiia iiinler tlic Ainc- rieaii liirilV nr iliMTiniiiialiiin at:aiust the imillien try. Lilierals a re just as Inyal as tlirir oppoiietits, ami will i-uu- ceiil III nil ael nf injnstiee Id (Jreat lirilain. ami any ar- ram-'cnii'iil llnil may lie made with llic rniliMl Siales will reiiiler mir inarkris as accessilile tu llie niuiher enuiitry." Xow , I liavc rcail this as the slatiiiu'iil atliiliuteil t(i my lion, fiieini ficmi Hunt iiiuiioii (Mr. .Si-iivcr). He rises in his [il.nc, iunl ho can .s.iy whether lh:it represents his eunvictiniis or not. Mr. .SCKIVKK. It .Ihl fairly ami tiilly ; ami it represents my viius now. .Mr. I'O.^TI'll^. My lion, frieml is ichiteil not Very far hack to my hmi. frieml from Charlotte (.Mr. Cillmor). TIkw eome from the same kiinl of .stoik ; they ^'et up and state exaitly what they mean, ami in doiiij^ so they cut theiiisidv(?s loose from this hour forward from the poliey of iinre- .strietuil ii'iiiirocity, as ilelineil hy the lion, the leader of the Opposition, as dilined liyliie lion, gentleman from ."^out li O.xfoid (.Sir Hirhard Cart- wriiiht ), as deliiied liy the leader from the .Maritime Provinees I spi'ak with hated lircath in the presenee ofmyhon. friend from ( iiiysl)orou;4h ( .Mr. Kraser) the menilier for (Queen's, I'.K. I. (Mr. Uavies. ) No«-, then, we will he anxious to see what the lion, memlier for II mil in.Ltdoii (.Mr. Scriver) means to do ahout it. Will he lie iiieonsisteiit '.' Will he swallow his expression and his opinions, and vote for (liseriminatlon iiLiainst the mother roiintrv on the ground that wi' have a perfeei right to, and that if it hurts the niotlier eountry. so min-li the worse for tile mother eounlrv. Widl, we will see, we will .Mr. SCKIVI'.I!. Ves ; you will see. .Mr. I'OSTICK. Now, Sir, I wisii just to note one ari;iiiiient of my lion, fi iend from .Smith Oxford (Sir iJieliaiil Carl wriglil). lie says iipini this (pieslion of di.seriinination : Voiir tarill discrimin- ates against (Jreat Uritain to-day. Sir KICllAKI) CAH'l 'WliKillT. S,, it iloes. Mr. KOSI'KK. .My lion, friend .says, so it does. When the lion, geiitlenian from (Queen's (Mr. I)a\ies) stat.il ti:at it did diseriiniimteagaiiist Oreat liiitain I said it did not. I said it almost with hated hrcatli, hut I managed to phiuk up courage I'lioiigh to .say it, and he replied that 1 would deny aiiyt!iiiig. My lion, friend from Souili Oxford (.Sir Kiehard Carlu right ) .says it does dis- criininatg. Now. it depends entirely upon his point of view, and I know exactly what his point of vit'W is, liut I mean to say this : that we are men and not ehihlreii. and that we ought to talk ahoiit facts and not i|uililile ahoiit worcis. 1 .say to ni_v lion, friend that the diMcrence hetween the two policies is simply this : When an exporter of hardware from (Ireat Ihitain brings his goods to a port in Canada, and an exporter of the same cla.ss of hardware in the L'nitcd .States Inings his goods to the .same port, under the present tarill', lioth are on an even scale and jiay exactly thesaiiie duty. Kill 1 say, that iiiider this iioliey of mirestriclcd n'ci|irocity, if a I'.ritish manufacturer of hardware comes to the port of Mali- fax or tjluehec, anil enters his hardware, lie will (lay a duty of L'O, nr.'KI, or 41 1 per cent., and when an Anieri- ' I!— ;{ can comes over with tin same class of hardware he gels it into the 111 irkets of this eoiiniry without a cent of duty. 'I'liat is the dillerence. \"ou may i|iiiliiile aliout discrimination as long as you like, liiit llmt is the common sense view, the view that this Ilouse will take and the view that the loiinlry w ill taki'. 'riiere is no discrimination in our pre- sent taritl' /»;•«, to liorrow a Word from my lion, friend ; the same classes of goods, come from w here they may, pay exactly the same ilnty. \ini may just as widl say tli.it Wf diseriniinate in favour of the West India Islands, hccail.-.c the West Indies, geographically and economically, are situated .so that they do not send to us manufactured goods, liilt raw materials, tin' most of which we let ill free. Hut that is simply imili'iling ; the main, lionesl position is what I have exactly stated with refer- ence to this |iolicy. Now, then, .Sir, weeonie to the i|uestiiiii of loss of re\eiiue : ami if there was any- thing that would make one consume himself with laughter it was the way in w hich my genial and eloipient friend, till- leader ot the Opposition, treated this (pieslion of loss of revenue in his speech to-d.iy. What did he say ? Well, he says : Now come to revenue. w hich is the sticking point in this (pieslion, (Specially with the Minislcr of l''iiiaiicc : how much will we "lo.se •; .S.S, |(IU,0 the revenue if tiicy liuy more goods which come in free and less goods which are liiglily taxed? liut 1 must come to my lion, friend from South Oxford to get at the lieaiities of this argiiinent. To llu! (pieslion as to how the lo.ss of revenue is to he made up he answers : U.so your surplus. The lion, gentleman knew, when he said that, that l>y my own calculations giviMi in this House, the Mirpliis of this year will tie ti!/, or almost ;///. Hi! knows that we have taken oft' s:{, .'ilM).()(MI(if taxation and put on only .S|,."i( ((t.(l(MI. and I propose to make ends meet liy economy : and that is all. When my lion, friend said : Use your surplus for a ]iart of the loss, he knew at the niiimeiit that there wdiild he no siir|)lus to use in making up the loss of revenue. 'I'lieii, he .says we will not s|i*iid .S|, 400, 00(1 in keeping up railways and can.ils. Well, we do not spend that niiieli. 1 can take no meaning out of that remark Init this, that if you, take the expenditure on canals and railways for maintenaiiee and riimiing exjieiises and compare it with the revenue there is a deticil of .s| ,4(Mt,(MM) ; hut such is not the case; the whole delicit is less than .s!IOO,(M«), .md the lion, gentleinan would eeoii- omi/e hy pultiug the ligiire of the actual delicit at .s,"i(M),(H)0 more than it is and saving the imagi- nary delicit. 'riicii my lion, friend says, w ii will not spend .sl.0110,000 for Indians. W< will not V Then, we will repudiate our tieaties with our Indi- ans and the fair and reasoiiahle ex])eiise for them. Let me tell this House that the country will wau h with great care and scriitini/.e keenly tile policy of any gentleinan or party who propose to deal in a niggardly fashion with the Indians, onoo the owners of all this yreat iloiniiili and all the eiiorinoits 2>-) rew)iirce« uiitry, aii'l now the wanlssof the iiiitioii, aii'l will exjx-ct them t<> l>e treateil in an hdnimnilile aii'l >;eneri>u.« way. I i.!iallen>.'e the h'ln. gentleman t".'""'l.i.-t year. anJthelion. gentleman puts the e.vi>enclit\ue at j'2.">".'»l'i at.ove the actual tigure. anil l>y such a .-iniple cxpeiiient he propo.ses to make uji tlie los> of revenue, a very easy methoii, liut pre.-entinf.' practical liitticulties which even he may tin«i it har«l \'i meet. AL'aiu. lie say-s : You can i!o wli.it you have just chme ; you liave put ^l.."> of taxatioi, upon mult liijuors. tohacco.s , anil spirits .mil you c iii make up for loss of revenue liy a further increase of the Kxci^e taxes. My hon. frieuil is going to have uniestricteil reciprocity. Is he going toliave unrestriiteil reciprocity in Ijeer, in s]iirits aii-l toKacco, or not ': I.-; lie going xa cut otT these great hraiiches of traile. orhaveuiirestrict- eil reciprocity in them': One thing or the other. If he is going to liave unrestricteil recijjrocity in them he will lose a ileal of revenue insteail of gain- ing: anil if he is not going to h.ive unrestricte'l re- ciprocity ill them. I ask liim how much moreKxci.se he can put u|)on those articles '' The Kxcise liuty to-ilay is very mucli hi^'her ti:an is the .similar Kx- cise iluty in the Unitd .states. \Vv stauil to lo.se in the Kxcis* liuties uii'ler his scheme rather than to gain, .'^o I sup}ni>e I hive taken away the re- sources of my hon. frieiiil tb.e leaiier of the Ojiposi- tiou. who was going to avail him.self of these means of making' u|) the loss of revenue. Then, he says we can economize in many other ways, luit he iloes not s])ecifv in wliat respects. Kut his important argument is that we will Ik- richer, (iraiit that I am Worth .s.'>.ikni this year amj that I will he worth sl(i.(«Ki next year ; when the same cla.ss of goods are placeil liefore me, one having no iluty u|>on It anil the other having a duty, am I, just liecause I ain a rich man. going to huy the goods on which there is a duty, instead of buyini; what I can get to the l>est advantage? That would l>e well, provided the Imn. gentleman made a law that the richpeoplen.ust purchase a certain proportioti of the manufactured goods on which heavy duties were imposed : l>ut if that Were lione. w hat would l)eCome of that old adage of his that we should huy in the cheajiesl market and sell in the dearest. Rut I want to ii.sk one more ijuest ion. Tlie hon. gentle- man statfd. and I have it here in hlack and white, that what the country will lose will W S><.'XH».(HKt ; what the jK-ople will'gain will U- $Iij,ihhi,(HHI. My l-.on. friend cannot get away from that statement. ,«« I. Let me tell him what he will lose. He will lose .*.>».l?Jds fromothercountries, whi' ii w ill no longer come when there is a duty agaiust them, while the same classes of goods come from the United States without any duty at all. I hold ill my hand a statement of all the im- jiort.^ for the year ending 'V>xh .June, |K9<». and what i' ■ I tiliii? I tind that in maniifactures of hrass iifim the United .^tates we imported .*.S-f l.tKXJ worth, and from other countries .■<1"2(I,(HK) worth. Let tiie .American lira.ss manufai.ture.H come in free and put a duty of .'1.') per cent, against all other countries, and how much of the diitiahle aiticles will come in (■omp«ftilion witli the free articles of the siime ilass'; l)oe.s not my hon. friend see that lie will have to lose the major jiart. perhaps all of tliat? Take the article of huttons. \Vc imiMirted from the United States .■<.>S(),(HHI worth, and from other countries .*l!ts,(HH» worth. Let the l.uttons from the United States come in free and keep the duty upon Imttons from other countries, and a large proiiortion fif that import will cea.se. 'I'ake cotton manufactures. Last year we import(l,(i,i»iK) more, ; and that would leave only .•?.S,()y his jiledge in (^hiehee, and his party stands or falls with him on this jiledge, he has pledged himself that when he obtains power in Ottawa he will add .•?l',U(M),(MM) to the provineial sulisidies ; anil this is not the assertion of a liews])aper, hut the ilelilierate statement of the leailer of tile Opposition, made this session from his seat on tile opposite siile of the House. He will have l.i meet for eoUeotion of revenue, which is almost entirely for the lailways and canals and post otlices, which, I do not siip))ose, he intends to skimp, $it,(MK(,(KKl, making a total of .S'_'7,IHH),- (MM) re(|uiied to meet costs and charges which can- not lie e.scajied : and all he will have to meet them with is i?lS,(MH),(MM( revenue. That leaves iiim with a delicit (I,(KM); Militia, .<1,;{(M),(KM); Police, .■J7r)U,(HM) ; Lighthouse and Coast service, S.')(M),(MM) ; Ininiigra- tion. etc., .■?;{<»<),(HKt ; I'nt.lie Works, .•?l,r)(M»,(MK). I'nMic woiks he may reduce hy skimping these works, hut if he attemi>ts to ilo that he will have the lion, nieinlier for Ihant (.\1. I'aterson) to reckon with, liecause that hon. gentleman warned us that we were not going to get any (juarter or credit on account of any economy we might efleet in recoplc of ( 'anaila, under the training of lion, gcntleunn op|iositc, aie not going to remain incomparably stupid all these years. 'I'hey will become ediuMted ; hut I wish to ask the hon. member for Iberville what he thinks now of the hon. and gallaiil knight who cries "hear, hear" in echoing the seiitiiiieiit which dubs tliat hon. gen- tleman anil those who do not believe in direct tax- ation in this country as incomprehensibly stupid. Surely I count in vain on the independence of the back benches on the otlier side if I do not see in tliis and sucieeding votes these worthy men, the men from Huntingdon (Mr. Scriver), and Iberville (Mr. licchaid), and Cliai-lotte ( Mr. ( iillumr), I'ising up and denouiiciiig this discriminating, this direct taxation-breeding )iolicy, which is fathered by the leader of the O|)|)osition and *lie men in the front benches. Leaving that subjeci fora moment, let me go one step further, .\fter having taken up so hing the time of the House I must bring my leiiiarks to a speedy close, Imt I wish simjily to direct public at- tention to this incomprehensible muddle of a ]Milicy, incomiirehensibleeven to the leader of the Opposition himself— so incniiijireliensible that when a fair ijues- tion which a child might ask and any person might answer, was put to him, he had. to take refuge behind a stilted, stultifying phrase about treaties between civili/eil governments, in order to conceal his lack of knowledge or lack of candour, and such a policy is the best outcome of four years of their best poli- tical thought and genius. We have weighed these gentlemen in every balance necessary, and the coun- try has weighed them. They had a jieriod of main- tenance and administration, if you clioo.se, and in the five years of their administration what hajipened ? Taxation was heaped up by .■*.S,(KK),- (MMt and more ; revenue went down ; trade went down ; the trade pro.spects of the country grew duller each year ; surplus faded away into deficits ; the public debt grew apace, and the whole financial and commercial bodj' )iolitic was sick and diseased throughout. These hon. gentle- men could find no other resource in their lirilliant and administrative genius than to simply .say we will pile on the taxes and trust in Providence. That was their perioil of administration. They were weighed and found wanting. They have another policy, that of destructiveness. That is the policy they carried out in 1H72, and under the breath of a scandal iiiostly created and fanned hy themselves they succeeded in getting into power, through their destructive tactics, through their power of pulling, down and tearing to pieces. Since that they have tried their policy of destructiveness on several occasions. They tried it in 1878, they tried it in 1882, they tried it in 1887, and they tried it in 1891, and they failed. And now, within this last four years they have attempted to adopt a constructive policy, and here you have it in this anomalous, indescribable, indetiuite, misty absurdity, which they have named unrestricted re- ciprocity, and that is all they have to show us for four years of constructiveness on the part of a great political party. Sir RICHARD CARTWRIOHT. Hear, hear. Mr. FOSTER. On the top of all this, my hon. friend who cries "hear, hear" — and I expect to 28 ii'ceivi,' iiiiiitlui' siilvi) friiiii liini say.s : Instiiul of tli.it may be piudoiicd to iiif. Over iicinss tlio the < iiivciiiment s iMilicy. '• we ort'er ii eleiil-eut, sen tlieie is a market wliieli some lion. K^'lilleiueii latioiial ami ilistiiict |)olii-y." have tlioii^'lit it not wiuiij,' to speak slij.'lilin;,'ly of. v;.. l>ii'llvi>i> r ■ 4 iJ'i'MM' 1/ ■ in- ir i Thev have .spoken nunb iit t he iiiteie.sts of ( 'aiiaila, .^ir Ml II.AUI) ( .\1. I W 1>1( ill I . Hear, heaf. .•. i .i . i ii i .i • . It- I .. , ,v .. .. .1 . 1 J. I- •» anil liave .san that we .siouil l'o where the nitei'- W e "lo not otie?' yon the louir (it imdui-.ttauilinj' It. . c,. i i i ^. - i i i i . .i ■I'l. ., ;, :i I ests of ( anada eail us. ,So we should ; hut the I hat IS impossihle. i- i . i • • c .i .i- i r ' tiuidaiMi'iital opinion ot ','entleinen ofi this sidi- of ■Ml'. {'"O.^TKR. Now, this is the ileaiiiit. (lis- the House is that Canadian interests join us in an tiiiit plan and the rational |)oliey whirli tiiey oli'ei-. identity of interests with (treat IJrilain, and when When askid for what it is. they simply .say, as lion, gentlemen opposite stand up in their sturdy one ehild does to another : dust shut your mouth ; indepemlenee for thi' rights and ](rivllej;es of and o|ien your eyes and «e will give you some- Canada, I stand with them : Init we lielieve on this liiiiii.' to make you wise. They say "We are not side thai Canadian iiiten-^ts are hest siihserved liy Ifouii 1 lo e\plaiii let UK over on that side and we our keeping in toiuli and unison with the interests will shitw you what our poliey is." 'i'hey show of the Kmpire, and not liy putting oiir.selves in their iniNipaeity in nothing more than in this, the jiower of another nation. 'I'he maiket on the Those lion, gentlemen <-aiiiiot hoodwink in this other side of tice oeean has heen wonderfully iiiannei' the peo)de of Canada in this lilth century, developed in late years in regard to .several of the Tin- aiti/ans and all classes of tlie comuuiiiity, lie- great staples of our eoiintry. It is not long ago that fore I hey will let them tear down their national that trade was in its iiifaney, and now it has i-cac-iied house, «aiit to know what kind of hnilding he is vast pro|)ortioiis, and our cattle, our cheese and giijiig to put lip to shelter them. IJefore they take other products are tinding a liiuilless market in hold of the ship of state, liefore they undertake to (treat Britain. TInre is no reason why that should guide it. some of them at tlie licliii and some on not he further developed. There is no reason why theliriilge, the hardy navigators will want to know our luitter should not take tlic> same position in what kind of diplomas these men have. The people (treat iSritain which Canadian cheese has taken, want your ]>o|icy ; they asked for il at the ))olls | and it is taking it and will taki' it uinlei' the intul- lasi .\larch, and they will ask for it when yon go ligeiit and educative methods which are lieing ear- to them again, and yon will never get the lied on now hy the l)e|iartnieiit of AgTicultuii'. So voice of the peojili- liy simply saying ; We it is with other Inanches of our trade, ■ i i this have no explanation to otl'er. In contradis- > leads u|> to my t hought . which is. ic.,u wc; may tiuction to their iudetiiiite [lolicy, this side ! well ]iiit hy the side of this empty, uneertain, iiide- olh-rs to the country a distinct jiolicy, a jiolicy ' finite something with the United Slates of America that is known as the National I'oljcy, a policy piojiosiid liy lion, gentleiiien opposite an alternalive which is known liy its results during twelve years inliuiti-ly higher, iiiliiiitely more in hodily form and of steady upliuildiiig and ini))idvement of this ' ''''ain lirosjieet, and ask the peojile to choose lie- country, a ]Milicy w hicii is based iijion the ilevelop- twieii the two. This alternati\e. Sir, is the ])ros- meiit of our le.sonrces, upon the creation of home l>eet of wider, fuller, richer trade relations with iuiliistrics and of home markets, and upon the (treat Uritain, Why uotV Here we have limit- gradual widening and liroadcuing of iiiter|irovincial less lands waiting for the cultivator ; there I rade and the overtlow theri^from of trader to other are the congested districts and the overcrowiled c - , j i n /^ i, ■ , , ,, „ , •' ,. ' 1- 1 - 1111 Printed by Bho\v\ Chamiikhlin, Printer to tho Queen's su]iport t e |)olcv which is propounded by hon. Mo-t Exculleiit i\lije«ty j^'ntlemen opposite. 'I'here is one other allusion j ISUl ^^:'