key: cord-0968334-581rmebj authors: Arthurs, Owen J.; van Rijn, Rick R.; Stafrace, Samuel; Rosendahl, Karen title: Point-of-care ultrasound: reply to Andronikou et al. and Györgyi et al. date: 2021-09-24 journal: Pediatr Radiol DOI: 10.1007/s00247-021-05183-9 sha: e1e1bc6028f5682037a8a8d3dc81ee3a2f79074e doc_id: 968334 cord_uid: 581rmebj nan Both Györgyi et al. [2] and Andronikou et al. [1] agreed with our position that a wide range of trained users are currently offering POCUS. We also recognise that much of the literature they cited on the effectiveness of non-radiologist POCUS recognises improvements in workload efficiency, reducing delays, potential cost efficiencies and consequences for overall health care costs [1] . No one can be surprised that making something more widely available (a) is feasible [6] , (b) improves access and (c) elicits more diagnoses. We all recognise that placing a US probe on a child and generating images is highly appealing to both practitioner and patient but does not define a diagnostic US examination. We encourage practitioners not to confuse availability with diagnostic accuracy. In their case study of lung US, only one of the papers put forwards by Andronikou et al. [1] discussed the diagnostic accuracy of POCUS [7] . In that study, 12 of 34 people with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), the disease caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), had CT performed to compare against lung US. Despite overall agreement (normal/abnormal), each patient had discrepancies between CT and US findings. These are classic examples of type II error rates: if we search for agreement, we will not find discrepancies. Furthermore, whilst value judgements are by nature subjective, we must be careful not to conclude usefulness from observational studies when "usefulness" has neither been defined nor shown. Andronikou et al. [1] also recognised that it is the limited experience rather than status of US practitioners that can generate errors. We could not agree more: clearly many radiologists make errors, but they do so in a regulated environment that highlights rather than hides errors. Part of the reason that radiologic US scans are documented, saved and formally reported in the clinical notes is to create an auditable trail, and errors are highlighted for future learning, e.g., Royal College of Radiologists' "Radiologists Events and Learning Meetings" standards [8] . Practicing outside of an effective governance structure should be questioned in the modern era of medical scrutiny and indemnity. We collectively agree that US examinations should be performed by trained personnel and that high-quality reporting should be performed in a structured governance environment that is transparent, auditable and leads to further learning. We stand by our original position that all imaging findings should be documented, reproducible and open to external scrutiny, and our objective is to encourage all practitioners to meet these standards rather than to discredit those outside radiology who perform US. It is naïve to think that any medical practitioner can obtain a US machine and begin making accurate diagnoses. To quote a Pediatric Radiology editor, "Ultrasound, regardless of where it is performed and by whom, requires training, practice and expertise to be clinically helpful; and its precision, diagnostic observations, interpretations and clinical efficacy are global" [9] . Putting the probe on the patient is the beginning, but far from the end, of a good US exam. We actively encourage all practitioners to come together to ensure children receive the best possible care rather than the care that is currently available. Radiologists should support non-radiologist point-of-care ultrasonography in children: a case for involvement and collaboration The European Society of Paediatric Radiology's position statement on point-of-care ultrasound Non-radiologistperformed point-of-care ultrasonography in paediatrics -European Society of Paediatric Radiology position paper Nonradiologist-performed abdominal point-of-care ultrasonography in paediatrics -a scoping review Implementation of a pediatric critical care focused bedside ultrasound training program in a large academic PICU Point-of-care lung ultrasound imaging in pediatric COVID-19 The Royal College of Radiologists (2020) Standards for radiology events and learning meetings point-of-care" ultrasound