key: cord-0846739-hzxll5yn authors: Rosén, Jacob; von Oelreich, Erik; Fors, Diddi; Jonsson Fagerlund , Malin; Taxbro, Knut; Frykholm, Peter title: Letter to the Editor in response to “Find the real responders and improve the outcome of awake prone positioning” date: 2021-08-04 journal: Crit Care DOI: 10.1186/s13054-021-03707-1 sha: dc361be16ab538abaa83a68f3ec3aa450776bbc3 doc_id: 846739 cord_uid: hzxll5yn nan We read with interest the letter by Wang and He [1] regarding our trial of awake prone positioning (APP) in severe COVID-19 [2] and would like to discuss the questions they raised. First, Wang and He accurately point out that our study compares 3.4 h/day APP in the control group with 9.0 h/ day APP in the intervention group. Since APP was frequently used even early in the pandemic, we found it unethical to prohibit APP in the control group when planning the trial. Furthermore, even though we would have liked to have seen > 16 h APP per day in the intervention group, only a minority of patients were able to reach this goal. Interestingly, the results were consistent in a subgroup of patients who received a median of 0.46 h/day of APP compared with patients who received 11.9 h/day of APP. Second, we think there is still not enough evidence to state that APP decreases the risk of intubation. In the study by Ferrando et al. [3] , duration of APP in the prone group was > 16 h/day which was much longer, not shorter as suggested by Wang and He, than in our study. In the study by Padrão et al. [4] , intubation rates were higher in the group exposed to APP. The low overall intubation rate in our study could perhaps be explained by liberal use of non-invasive ventilation (NIV) [5] as well as a high level of care at the participating centers. Third, Wang and He suggest that a majority of patients in our study were supported by NIV at randomization. On the contrary, 74% of patients in the control group and 86% of patients in the APP group had high-flow nasal oxygen (HFNO) at that point. However, a majority of our patients did receive NIV treatment during the trial for which initiation criteria were not protocolized. We could speculate that the possibility to switch between NIV and HFNO could be an advantage for some patients which may have influenced the results. There are several unanswered questions regarding APP: when to start, the minimum effective dose per day, how to increase tolerance, if APP is more effective with HFNO or NIV alone or in combination. Large international trials as well as physiological studies are warranted to address these queries and ultimately to establish an evidence-based protocol for APP. Ready to submit your research Ready to submit your research ? Choose BMC and benefit from: ? Choose BMC and benefit from: Find the real responders and improve the outcome of awake prone positioning Awake prone positioning in patients with hypoxemic respiratory failure due to COVID-19: the PROFLO multicenter randomized clinical trial Awake prone positioning does not reduce the risk of intubation in COVID-19 treated with high-flow nasal oxygen therapy: a multicenter, adjusted cohort study Awake prone positioning in COVID-19 hypoxemic respiratory failure: exploratory findings in a single Effect of helmet noninvasive ventilation vs high-flow nasal oxygen on days free of respiratory support in patients with COVID-19 and moderate to severe hypoxemic respiratory failure: the henivot randomized clinical trial Publisher's Note Springer Nature remains neutral with regard to jurisdictional claims in published maps and institutional affiliations None. Authors' contributions JR drafted the first version of the letter. EO, DF, MJF, KT and PF provided additional input. All authors read and approved the final manuscript. None. Not applicable. Ethics approval and consent to participate Not applicable. Not applicable. M. Jonsson Fagerlund has received travel support and lecture fees from Fisher and Paykel Healthcare, Auckland, New Zealand. D. Fors has received travel support from Armstrong Medical, Coleraine, Great Britain, to participate in a scientific seminar. The other authors declare that they have no competing interests.