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Being a Reply to a Book , Entituled , The Ancient and Modern Stages surve●ed , &c. Essays upon several Moral Subjects . The Emperour Marcus Antonius his Conversation with himself . Together with the Preliminary Discourse of the Learned Gataker . As also , the Emperor's Life , written by Monsieur D'acier , and supported the Authorities Collected by Dr. Stanhope . To which is added the Mythological Picture of Cebes the Theban . Translated into English from the respective Originals , All four by Mr. Collier . A SECOND DEFENCE OF THE SHORT VIEW OF THE Prophaneness and Immorality OF THE English Stage , &c. BEING A REPLY to a Book , Entituled , The Ancient and Modern Stages Surveyed , &c. By Ieremy Collier , M. A. LONDON : Printed for S. Keble at the Turk's-Head in Fleetstreet , R. Sare at Gray's-Inn-Gate in Holborn , and G. Strahan against the Exchange in Cornhill . 1700. ERRATA . PAge 20. ●ine 5. for of them read of the Poem , p. 21. Margin , for ●sset r. esset , p. 28. l. 30. Margin , for nempit r. erupit . p. 29. l. 19. Margin , for immodestiae r. immodestia , p. 50. l. 18. for discourr'd r. discours'd , p. 51. l. 24. for , r. : p. 53. l. 13. for Epithe r. Epithet , p. 71. l. ● . for this r. his , p. 72. l. 24. for Poet r. Poet's , Ibid. l. 30. for Promotheus r. Prometheus , p. 73. l. 1. for Promotheus r. Prometheus , Ibid. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , p. 78. l. 33. for Under Character r. Under Characters , p. 88. l. 3. for Sx r. Six , p. 97. l. 33. dele as I remember , p. 101. l. 23. for Selecism r. Solecisme , p. 105. l. 29. for Charges r. Charge , p. 120. l. 5. for Dramatists r. Dramatist , p. 127. l. 5. for L●w r. Laws , p. 128. l. 19. for belongs r. belong , p. 134. l. 16. for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . To the Reader . WHen my Adversary first appear'd , I was engaged in Business for the Press , which I could not well dismiss , till 't was brought somewhat forward . Besides , I was sometime at a stand whether to Answer , or not , and , I think , had left my Book to take its Fate , had it not been for the Charge of false Quotation . As to the Author of the Survey , &c. his Manner is all over extraordinary , but in what relates to my Authorities , I think altogether unpresidented ; such a size of Assurance , so unsupported by Proof and Colour , is rarely to be met with . If he continues to cast the Cause thus entirely upon his Courage , he must Dispute by himself . His Eagerness to Defend the Stage , has sometimes transported him into plain Rudeness : To this I shall only observe , That Railing is a scandalous Talent , and an Argument of an ill Vndertaking . When a Man throws Dirt , 't is a sign he has no other Weapon . These are Vnchristian and Vngentlemanly Sallies , and not so much as allow'd to Provocation . Having therefore neither Liberty , nor Fancy for this way , I shall , for the most part , overlook his Misbehaviour . As for the Stage , I almost despair of doing them any Service : They are more enclin'd , I perceive , to Repeat their Faults then amend them : They make no scruple of coming over again with their Ill Plays ; As if Immodesty and Prophaneness were the more valuable for being discover'd . But thus to bear up against Evidence , and go on in Defiance of Religion , is an odd Instance of Resolution . And besides the ill Colour of the Quality , 't will fail us at the long Run : Courage without Conscience starts at the other World , and leaves a Man dispirited when he has most need of Support . To Consider that we have done our Vtmost to Debauch Mankind , will be no Pleasure at such a Iuncture as This. Vnless therefore we could Demonstrate the Grounds of Atheism , Common Sense , if minded , will put us upon a Provision beyond the Grave . Novemb. 26. 1699 ▪ AN ANSWER To a BOOK , Entituled , The Ancient and Modern Stages Surveyed , &c. BEfore I proceed farther with my Adversary , it may not be amiss to observe , that his Scheme is defective , and the Compass of his Defence much short of the Charge . For he does not apply his Answer to any Particulars , nor so much as Vindicate one Passage accused of Indecency and Irreligion . So that were his whole Book true , the Imputation of Prophaneness and Immorality , would still lie heavy upon the Stage . This Author , to give him some part of his Character , seems to rely more upon Stratagem and Surprize , than plain Force , and open Attack . His Business is all along to perplex the Cause and amuse the Reader , and to Reason , and Represent amiss . In the first place he tells us a Story , which Mr. Rymer had told before , about the Original of Plays ; and charges all the Immorality , and Disorders of the Stage , upon the Head of Idolatry , and the Practice of the Mimes and Pantomimes . And when he has thus entangled the Dispute , and like the Scuttle-Fish mudded the Water , he thinks himself out of Reach ; but I shall endeavour to dive after him , and drag him to the surface . In his History of Heathenism and the Stage , he lays down several unlucky Assertions , and ruines himself in his very Defence . He lets us know , that Paganism was invented to oblige and captivate the People , and gain'd its Authority among them by indulging their Sensuality , and gratifying their Lusts : That the Games and Shewes were the most engaging parts of their Religion , and that the Devotional and Pompous part of their Worship , was ungrateful to the Spectators , who impatiently expected the Shew . He informs us farther , That the Fathers thought it not safe to trust their Converts to the Temptations of so jolly a Religion , that the Portion of those that embraced Christianity was Mortification , that their Reward was in Reversion , and that present Enjoyment is apt to prevail against a remote Hope . Now if Stage-Plays were such Licentious Diversions , if they indulged Sensuality and Lust , seised so powerfully upon People's Inclinations , and made them forget the Interests of Futurity ; If the Case stood thus , ( as the Surveyor confesses ) then there were other heavy Articles against the Stage besides Idolatry ; Then the bold Liberties and Luscious Pleasures of the Place , were sufficient Reasons why the Fathers declaimed against it ; and by consequence their Censures come strong upon the English Theatre . The Infancy of Christianity and the frequency of Persecutions , don't alter the Measures of Behaviour , nor make so great a difference between the Primitive and Modern Christians , as our Author would suppose . If 't is possible , we have more Reason to be cautious and self-denying , than those who lived in the first Ages of our Religion . For then the History of our Faith was fresh , and the Proofs lay nearer to the sense . Then Miracles were frequent to refresh their Memory , and quicken their Zeal . Besides their very Sufferings were awakening Circumstances , and a Guard upon their Virtue . Their being so ill used in this World , was naturally apt to make them take the more care about the other . Having none of these Advantages , we have more need of Discipline and Recollect on ; and should stand as much aloof from Temptation as ever . And therefore whatever debauches our Appetites , over-heats our Affections , and , as our Author Phrases it , relaxes the Nerves of our Zeal , ought by all Means to be avoided . The Surveyor is now going to take off the Censure of the Fathers from the Stage . And here he begins with St. Augustine , who ( says he ) absolves their Comedies and Tragedies from any fault in the Expression , and accuses only the subject Matter . To this I Answer ; First , That St. Augustine's Charge against the Play-houses runs very high ; he look'd upon them as no better than the Nurseries of Lewdness and Irreligion , and comprehended Comedy amongst the rest of their Performances ; as appears by his Instance in Roscius ; but these Testimonies were too troublesome for the Surveyor to take notice of . Secondly , St. Augustine , even in this place , blames Comedies and Tragedies for being very foul and faulty in their Fable and Matter , * and by consequence could not think them proper for Christian Diversion . Thirdly , St. Augustine does not say that Comedies , &c. were always clean in the Expression . He throws in a Sentence which qualifies the Proposition , and makes it affirm no farther , than that they were not so smutty as many other things . 'T is probable he might mean they were not so rank as the Bacchanal and Floral Solemnities . But these Words , Sicut alia multa , which change the Sence , and make clearly against him , he is pleased to omit in the English , tho they stand staring in the Margin , and are part of his own Quotation . To falsifie thus in the face of Conviction , is like Stealing before the Bench : But thus he is pleased to detect himself , and to give us a noble Discovery of his Honesty and Cunning , at his first setting out . However he would do well not to rely too much upon an English Reader for the future . This Gentleman advances to the Testimonies cited by the View , &c. And here he is pleased to skip quite over the Councils , and takes no notice of above half the Fathers , and those he has the Courage to undertake , he does but touch at . And thus he confutes a Book at the rate that Mice do , only by nibbling a little at a few of the Leaves . However I must attend him in his Method . Let us therefore consider that little he can afford us from Clemens Alexandrinus ; where this Father affirms , That the Circus and Theatre may not improperly be called the Chair of Pestilence . Here the Surveyor would know , whence it appears that the Dramatick Exercises are here aimed at ? Were the Mimi and Pantomimi less concerned with the Stage ? &c. In answer to these Questions the Reader may please to understand , that the Surveyor makes great use of the Distinction between the Drama , ( as he calls it ) and the Mimi ; by this means he hopes to perplex the Controversy , and divert the Censure of the Fathers , as if in their Opinion Comedy and Tragedy were inoffensive Diversions ; but I shall endeavour to make this Evasion unserviceable to him , by shewing , First , That several of the Fathers , as appears by the View , &c. censure Tragedy and Comedy by name . Nay , thus much the Surveyor himself confesses , that Tragedy and Comedy is sometimes condemned for Company . Now if Comedy is jointly condemned with the other Shews of the Theatre , why does he endeavour to make the Fathers justifie or overlook it ? Why so much pains to take off their Censure , and point the Satyr another way ? What needs all this rattling with Mimes , Pantomimes , and Drama , as if there was some Charm and Mystick Power in the Words ? If the Fathers condemn Comedy , &c. expresly , 't is to no purpose to contest their Sence , and pretend their Opinion undeclared . He must own therefore the Ancients are full against him in the Point . And since Comedy and Tragedy is thus expresly condemned by the Fathers , we have reason to believe it always comprehended under their general Censure of the Stage . Which will appear farther if we consider . Secondly , That Comedy and Tragedy were the principal and most frequent Diversions on the Stage . That they were the principal , I suppose the Surveyor will allow , upon the account of the Fable , and the Advantage of the Plot and Characters : The Mimi being form'd upon little Subjects , and Vulgar Persons * . That Comedy , &c. were the most frequent Diversions of the Stage , I prove thus ; First , Because the Mimi , Dancing on the Stage , &c. were Originally part of Comedy , as we may learn from Suetonius ; and so in all likelihood they continued a great while . Secondly , The Poets who wrote the Mimi or Farces were very few , scarcely One to Ten of the other Dramatists , as appears from Athenaeus , and Lilius Gyraldus . Now , why were the Comick and Tragick Poets thus over-proportioned to the Mimographi , but because their Entertainments were much more frequented and esteemed than the other ? Thirdly , It does not appear that the Mimi were always more Scandalous Compositions than Comedy . 'T is true we have little of this kind of Writing remaining ; But by those Fragments preserv'd by Macrobius , and cited by Lilius Gyraldus , they seem to have been Modest and Sententious . And Plinius Iunior mentioning Vergilius Romanus , another Mimiiambick Poet , commends him for his Probity and his Wit , but does not in the least tax him with any Indecency . Besides , Scaliger in his Chapter De Saltatione , informs us , That the Dances proper to the Mimi were Apish and Fantastical ; but that several belonging to Comedy had a Wanton and Licentious Movement . So that of the Two , one would think these Farces were sometimes the more inoffensive Performances . Fourthly , 'T is certain that the Mimes and Pantomimes Represented Comedy and Tragedy in their Gestures , and Dances , as well as they did the Mimi or Farces properly so call'd . That the Pantomimes were concern'd in the Drama , is plain from Cassiodorus , &c. who tells us , That they could form their Gestures into such a significancy , that with the same Limbs and Features they could Act either Hercules , or Venus ; and make the Passions and Character of of a King , or a Common Soldier , visible in their Postures , and Motions . Now Kings and Heroes , we know , were only counted proper for Tragedy . Indeed these sort of Actors were nothing but Mimicks , ( tho much farther improv'd than the Moderns ) and therefore as proper to appear in the Drama as in any other Stage-Performance . From whence it will follow , that if these Pantomimi's were foul in their Gestures , the Drama must answer to the Indictment ; It being oftentimes only the Business of these Mimicks to supply the place of the Dialogue , and express the Passions of the Poem . And thus I have plainly prov'd , that when the Fathers pass Sentence against the Stage , the whole Mystery and Fraternity is included , so that his Distinction between the Drama , and the Mimi and Pantomimi , will do him no service . And this may serve to make good not only the Testimony of Clemens Alexandrinus , but of the rest of the Fathers , all his Objections against the Strength of their Evidence turning mostly upon this Supposition . But because he ventures to attack but Two Citations more , a little farther Consideration of him will be no great matter . I observ'd from Theophilus Antiochenus , that the Christians durst not see the Heathen Shews upon the account of their Indecency and Profaneness , and particularly that the Stage-Adulteries of the Gods and Hero's were unwarrantable Entertainments , &c. Here he is positive that the Translator very well knew , that Tragedy & Comedy were unconcern'd and nothing but the Mimi aim'd at . Say you so ? Is not the Drama concern'd in such Representations as these ? What do you make of Plautus's Amphytrio , and Terence's Eunuchus , of Euripides's and Seneca's Thyestes , not to mention any more ? Here the Adulteries of the Gods and Hero's are describ'd and acted , and in some of them make part of the main Argument : And besides all this , the Expression throws it upon the Drama . His next Complaint against me is for translating Theatrum a Play-house : This he very shrewdly calls my old way of Legerdemain ; for by all means it should have been rendred Theatre . I have a fine time on 't to write against a Man that does not know what is Latin for a Play-house ! Truly this is a great Point ! But I hope Horace's Authority may satisfie him , that his Drama's were Acted in the Theatre . Now this Poet addressing to Pollio , desires him to stop his Tragick Muse till the Common-wealth was better settled : Paulum severae Musa Tragediae Desit Theatris . The Surveyor goes on with his Grievances , and pretends that I wrest Tertullian's Words , and force him to call Pompey ' s Theatre a Dramatick Bawdy-house . And here he has very honestly again put the Latin in the Margin to confute the English : Thither I appeal , and doubt not but the Reader will find the Original every jot as severe as the Translation . But he complains the State of the Case is chang'd , the Drama wrongfully accus'd , and that Tertullian inveigh'd only against the Shews of the Mimi . That 's strange ! Were not Comedies and Tragedies Acted in the Theaters ? Not in Pompey's Theatre , the most Magnificent in Rome ? Were Farces so much preferr'd to the Drama , and the Noblest Buildings contriv'd only for Drolls , and Strollers ? Tertullian , in this very Paragraph , observes , that the Theatre was Dedicated to Bacchus ; and this Idol , the Surveyor himself informs us , was the Patron of the Drama , and had his Altar on the right-side of the Stage . Besides , 't is further evident that Tertullian levell'd his Censure against the Drama ( for so I must call it ) by the Caution he gives ; he warns the Christians not to be surpriz'd by some of the best-complexion'd Entertainments . Look , says he , upon all the engaging Sentences of the Stage , their Flights of Fortitude and Philosophy , the Loftiness of the Stile , and the Fineness of the Conduct , &c. Look upon it only as Honey dropping from the Bowels of a Toad , or the Bag of a Spider . Now I suppose the Surveyor is not so hardy as to affirm , That Heroick Fortitude , Lofty Expression , and Moral Sentences , is any way suitable to his Description of the Mimi . 'T is plain therefore , that Comedy and Tragedy must be struck at in the Testimony above mention'd . I must not forget the Surveyor's Suggestion , That the Idolatry of the Stage was the principal Quarrel the Fathers had against it . 'T was for this Reason that they declaim'd against it with all their Nerves and Vehemence , as our Author words it . The Reader may please to take notice , that the Fathers had other Reasons for their Aversion to the Stage , besides the Charge of Idolatry : However , upon this Occasion I shall pursue the Argument a little farther , and answer , First , That the Fathers were no less Enemies to Immorality than to False Worship . Indeed , one great Reason why Paganism was so very Criminal , was , because 't was not only an erroneous , but a scandalous Belief : 'T was because the Holy Solemnities were Lewd , and not only mis-led Men's Understandings , but debauch'd their Practice . Now nothing in Nature is so counter to Christianity as Wickedness . Idolatry may sometimes be an effect of Ignorance ; but Immorality lies always open to Conscience and inward Reproof . So that where Vice is cherish'd , and Licentiousness is made creditable , there the worst Part of Heathenism is kept up . The Devil is no less really Worshipp'd in Lewdness and Obscenity than he was in Venus and Iupiter . And yet the Surveyor has the Courage to affirm , That Idolatry is more abhorr'd and expos'd on the English Stage than any where else . Idolatry expos'd ! What , by burlesking the Bible , by Smut and Swearing , and by hooting , as much as in them lies , all Religion out of the Universe ? A most admirable Expedient ! Thus Error is cur'd by Atheism ▪ and false Religion destroy'd , by leaving no Truth to counterfeit ! The Surveyor observes , That the Fathers were alarm'd at the Heathen Stage as at the Approach of an Enemy ; they were afraid the indulging these Liberties would hazard the Interest and Belief of Christianity : They justly apprehended , that from a Liking of the Entertainments , they might proceed to approve the Occasion of them . Now those who frequent the Theatres , would do well to consider this Caution : For from liking the Plays , they may come to like the Practice , and slide insensibly from the Diversion to the Vice and Profaneness . I wish this Reasoning were not too well grounded upon Experiment ; but nothing is more natural than the Transition from Pleasure to Imitation . And thus the Fathers Restraint holds strong against the English Theatre . For Lewdness is more catching than Heathenism ; and People are much sooner surpriz'd by their Appetites , than by their Ignorance . 'T was this Indulgence to Sensuality which captivated the World , and gain'd Credit and Authority to Paganism . Thus Vice gives the main Force to the Temptation , makes way for Error , and by corrupting the Will betrays the Understanding . And this may serve to satisfie the Reader , that his Topick of Idolatry is nothing to the purpose . Upon the whole ; Let us suppose , which is not true , That the Fathers left Comedy and Tragedy uncensur'd , and planted their Rhetorick against nothing but the Shews of the Mimi ; let us resign our Advantage , and set part of our Evidence aside ; What would the Surveyor gain by it ? Alas ! unless he can clear the Innocence , and take off the Imputations upon the English Stage ; which he never so much as attempts : Unless this can be done , his Cavils and his Confidence , and all his other Pretences signifie nothing . For , can we imagine the Fathers would ever have endur'd the Disorders of the Modern Stage ? Would these Holy Men have allow'd them their Common Places of Smut , and their Sallies of Profaneness ? Would they have seen Lewdness a Profession , and Religion made sport with , and said nothing against it ? No : Such flaming Provocations as these would have kindled their Spirits , and pressed them to the Encounter : Their Satyr would have thundred , and their Discipline been play'd against the Enemy ; and the Warnings of the Pulpit would have sounded as loud as the Blasphemies of the Play-house : Where the Honour of God and the Interests of Eternity suffered so much , they would have shewn a proportionable Concern . For like the Hero's in Aeschylus , upon such an Occasion , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Brave in their Zeal , and fir'd with Resolution , They look'd like Lions roaring to the Combat ! The Surveyor is ●ired with Church-Antiquity , for it seems all my Translations of the Fathers are of the same Stamp with those he has Examined : Why , so they are ; but not a jot to his purpose . For notwithstanding , all his Clamour about my Corrupt Version , Managing of Evidence , and what not ; he has not been able to shew that I have either mistaken the Sence , or misapplied the Meaning in the least Instance ; so that if my main Strength , as he is pleased to say , lay in these Worthies , the Forces are still entire , there is not so much as a Vein scratch'd , or a drop of Blood lost in the Encounter . But I can't forget his Character and Commendations of the Fathers . What would you think St. Cyprian , St. Chrysostome , St. Augustine , and the rest of them were like ? Why it seems they are like Whelps newly enter'd , they run Riot , have much better Mouths than Noses ; make up a great part of the Cry , but are of no service in the Chase. Nay , then he may well go on with t'other Compliment , and tell us , Their Writings are but the Rub●ish of Antiquity . Bless us ! What strains of Contempt and Distraction are here ! Is this all that 's due to the Memory of these Venerable Men ? And must Dignity and Merit be thus coarsly Treated ? Must Dogs and Martyrs be coupled , and Patriarchs describ'd by Similitudes from the Kennel ? These great Defenders of the Faith were never saluted in this manner before : Jews and Heathens , tho they might have had no less Malice , had ( as far as it appears ) more Modesty than this comes to . One would think he learned this Language at the Olympicks ( as he calls them ) of Moor-Fields , or rather at the Great House that fronts them . If the Fathers are thus despicable , why does he sollicit for their Votes , and strive to bring them over to his Party ? If he takes them for his Friends , he uses them very severely ; But I suppose he despairs of their Favour , and would therefore disable their Credit . Well ; since the Fathers are thus unmanageable , and won't be tamper'd with , 't is time to leave them : If the Christians won't do , we must try if the Heathens will prove any kinder . The Surveyor therefore applying to the Philosophers , endeavours to bribe them into Silence , and bring them to a State of Neutrality . But here he is much as untoward in his Objections as formerly . He pretends Plato does not appear in his own Person : Granting that , Eusebius is a good Voucher for his Opinion . But after all , Plato does appear in his own Person , and stands fairly quoted in the Margin . Truly I think I 'm somewhat to blame for troubling my self with an Author so very Defective either in Eyes or Honesty . But it seems the Testimony is not full to the Purpose . Why so ? let 's hear it . Plays ( says Plato ) raise the Passions , and pervert the Vse of them , and by consequence are dangerous to Morality . This I take it is to the Point ; the Impeachment runs high , and the Articles are plainly mention'd . So that to evade the Force of the Authority , by saying the Nature or Measure of the Danger is not specified , is not to Argue , but Trifle , and is in effect to make Blots instead of Letters with a Man's Ink. My Business in the View , &c. was to sum up the Evidence in few Words , and not to tire the Reader with unnecessary Lengths of Quotation : However , since he calls for 't , I 'll give it him somewhat more particularly . 'T is Plato's Opinion then , that the Diversions of the Stage are dangerous to Temper and Sobriety ; they swell Anger and Desire too much . Tragedy is apt to make Men boisterous , and Comedy Buffoons . Thus those Passions are cherish'd which ought to be check'd , Virtue loses ground , and Reason grows precarious . From Plato we must go to Xenophon : And here his Exception is , That the Drama is not mention'd . I grant it : But does not this Author commend the Persians for not suffering their Youth to hear any thing Amorous or Tawdry ? And does he not shew the Danger of such a Permission ? And is this nothing to the English Stage , where Love and Indecencies are most of the Entertainment ? This Remark not only reaches the Modern , but likewise the Ancient Dramatists , as far as their Compositions were any way licentious . At last the Surveyor owns , That Bawdry was indeed forbidden to be talk'd to young People in Persia , because of the Heat of the Climate . Meaning , that in the Latitude of London the case is otherwise : The Elevation of the Pole has taken off the Restraint , and made Modesty unnecessary : For in these Northern Regions , and especially in a hard Winter , Smut is a very harmless Diversion , and a Man may talk as Brutishly as he pleases ! He is now advanced to Aristotle , whose Authority , he says , will do me as great Service as the Two former . Now tho' this Jest is a good Answer to all that he offers in earnest , yet possibly he may take it ill , if his Story is not heard out . He objects then , That the Passage cited by the View from Aristotle , amounts to no more than a General Caution against trusting Youth in promiscuous Company ! To this it may be answered , First , Aristotle plainly forbids young People the sight of Comedy , as appears even by the Latin Translation cited by the Surveyor : Comaediarum spectatores esse Lex prohibeat . This is something more than a General Caution against promiscuous Company : For let the Reason of the Prohibition be what it will , the Drama is particularly struck at , and made counterband Goods to one Part of Human Life at least . However , I did ill to palm the general Term of Debauchery , for the particular one of Drunkenness , which it seems was only instanc'd in by the Philosopher . Here the Translation comes hard upon him again ; for not only Drunkenness is mention'd , but all the Disorders consequent upon it . And is not Lewdness oftentimes the Effect of Intemperance , especially in young People ? Secendly , The Greek is still more unkind to the Surveyor , and shews that he has quite mistaken Aristotle's Sence ; which in a literal Version runs thus : The Government should not permit Youth to see Comedies , till Discipline has secured them from the Impressions and Mischief of such Diversions , and they are advanc'd to the Age of being admitted to Feasts and Publick Entertainment . This Translation is warranted by the Original● and by Heinsius's Paraphrase , and justifies the View to the full . And now his other Objection about my misrepresenting Aristotle , being founded upon his former Mistake , must fall together with it . But the Surveyor and Mr. Dennis think it strange , that Aristotle should pronounce thus unkindly upon Comedy , and yet leave Rules for the Writing this kind of Poem . Why this , if we consider it , is no great Mystery : Plays are one thing in the abstracted Idea , and another in Fact and Practice : He might dislike the common Liberties of the Poets , without absolutely condemning the Form of them . But that Aristotle did not allow of Licentious Comedy , is plain by the Instance before us , by what I cited elsewhere in the View , and by his Advice to Governours , to banish Smut and Indecency from the Common-wealth . Tully's Testimony comes next to be examined , who , as I observed , cries out upon licentious Plays and Poems , as the Bane of Sobriety and wise Thinking : That Comedy subsists upon Lewdness , and that Pleasure is the Root of all Evil. This one would imagine were pretty home : What does the Surveyor say to it ? Is the Testimony miscited ? Not at all . What then ? Why these Sentences are Ends and Scraps of Authors , and as little to the purpose as if he had cited so many Propositions out of Euclid ▪ which tho' true , are of no use in this place . No! Is Tully's Censure of Licentious Plays , affirming that Comedy subsists upon Lewdness , and that Pleasure is the Root of all Evil ; is all this nothing to the purpose ? This is raging Impertinence ; I almost sweat to take notice of such stuff as this is . As for his calling what I produc'd Scraps , I must 〈◊〉 him , 't was not for want of Plenty that 〈◊〉 him no more ; however , till he can 〈…〉 off his Stomach , he has no reason to 〈…〉 of Scarcity . The Reader , if he please , may see a whole Page of Declamation to the same purpose ; at the latter end of which he has these Words : * These Poets are great Assistances to Virtue , and we have reason to expect most admirable Cures from the Stage ! Yes ! Manners must be mightily reformed by those People who make Love and Lewdness a Deity , and teach Men to worship their own Folly and Distraction ! I speak ( says he ) of Comedy , which were it not for such licentious Management could go on no longer . This Passage is quoted by the Surveyor , according to his customary Policy : He is resolv'd I perceive to make sure Work on 't , and to confute himself , for fear it should be done by some body else . But if the case stands thus , the Surveyor is positive , that either Tully or Mr. Collier are extreamly mistaken . This is manfully put , I confess ; but I 'm afraid ' twon't do : For if Tully should be mistaken , which is very unlikely , it would signifie little ; for 't is not the Reasoning , but the Authority of Tully which is now in question . Then as for my self , I can't be mistaken , unless the Citation is false , which he does not so much as offer to disprove . He objects farther , That Pla●tus and Terence are the only Comedians remaining , from whom we can form any Iudgment of the Roman Comedy , before or about Cicero ' s time ; but these Mr. Collier assures us are modest to a Scruple , especially Terence . To this I answer , First , That what I affirm'd of the Modesty of Terence , was in reference to his Language , not to his Matter or Argument , which is sometimes exceptionable enough to draw the Censure of Tully upon him . Then as to Plautus , I introduc'd him with a Mark of Dislike , and only commended him upon the Parallel with the English Stage . Now where 's the Contradiction of all this ? May not Men be very much to blame , without being the worst of their Kind ? Here 's room enough then for Cicero's Reprimand of Plautus and Terence , without doing the View the least disservice . But , Secondly , Plautus and Terence are not the only Poets from whom we can take any measure of the Roman Comedy about Cicero ' s time : For in this very place Tully cites several Verses from Trabea and Caecilius ; and blames these Comick Poets for magnifying Love-Adventures , making Cupid a God , and flourishing too much upon the Satisfactions of Sense ; tho' nothing of this was done with the Modern Grosness . This Passage being in the same place with that quoted by the Surveyor , he must needs see it : From whence the Reader may observe how nicely he keeps up to his usual Exactness . Farther , Tully does not only complain of Comedy , but of Tragedies too . He blames them for representing their Hero's impatient under Misfortune ; such Instances of Weakness and Discomposure were , in his Opinion , of dangerous Example : So that let but the Stage ( says he ) strike in with the Prejudices of Education , and this is enough to baffle the Force of Virtue , and cut the very Sinews of Fortitude . The Surveyor , at the Head of his Remarks upon this Testimony , brightens his Air , and would seem to look kindly upon Modesty : But this Smile , tho' unusual , appears angry and disturb'd . He supposes no one will defend licentious Plays ; but if some warm-headed Enthusiastick Zealot pretends to find some Passages really guilty , they are willing to give them up . This is the only Passage in his Book , as I remember , in which he drops the least Word against Lewdness : But then he touches the Point very tenderly , clogs the Censure with a great many kind Proviso's , * and is strangely out of Humour with those Enthusiastick Zealots that make any Discovery . And to make all sure , he lays in for Countenance and Encouragement to the prevailing Merit of the main Part of the Performance . For Example , if an Apothecary mixes up Poison with a Receipt , yet if it does not weigh as much in the Scale as the rest of the Ingredients , all is well enough , and the prevailing Merit of the Dose , tho' it murthers the Patient , ought to be encourag'd . Livy's Authority comes after Tully , and must be considered . This Evidence , says the Surveyor , comes not near our Case , were the Credit on 't unexceptionable . His Reason is because Livy speaks of Stage Representations●●● general , but the Drama was not known amongst the Romans at this time when the Ludi Scenici were invented . I 'le try to make an Argument like this . For Instance : The City built upon Seven Hills , and upon the Tyber , was by no means Rome in the time of Tarquinius Priscus ; Why so ? Why , because tho it stood upon the same Ground , it was not near so big as 't was afterwards in the Reign of Augustus . But for all this fine Reasoning , esse and bene esse are Notions of the same Subject . 'T is true , things are not always perfected at their first Invention ; but I thought the Finishing and Improvement they might afterwards receive , would not alter them in their Name and Nature . And as to the Business in hand , I have already shewn , that Comedy and Dancing , and all the Diversions of the Stage , were perform'd together at first : And that the Drama and the Ludi scenici were the same , I shall take for granted at present , and afterwards prove it by the Surveyor's Authority , and by St. Augustine's too , who mentioning the Original of Plays , explains himself expresly in Comedy , and Tragedy . De Civit. Dei Lib. 2. cap. 8. His next Undertaking is to Quarrel with the Translation : To clear this the Historian must be cited . Now Livy giving an Account of the Original of Plays , assigns this Reason for the Relation ; Vt appareat quam ab sano initio res in hanc vix opulentis regnis toler abilem insaniam venerit . He affirms the Original of Plays were commendable , because they were brought in upon the score of Religion ; and to remove a Mortality . This being thus reported by Livy , I Translated the Passage above-mentioned as follows ; That the Motives are sometimes good , when the Means are stark naught . And where 's the Mistake of this rendring ? Don't the Words of the Author , and the Consequence of the Practice , plainly justifie the Construction ? Nay , his own Interpretation makes his Objection unreasonable . For he Translates Vix tolerabilem insaniam , &c. An excessive extravagance which scarce the We 〈◊〉 Nation can bear . Now if the Profusion at these Shews were ready to break the Back of the Roman Empire , had not I reason for saying in the Version , That the Means were stank naught , and the Remedy worse than the Disease ? But this puts me in mind of another Difference to be adjusted . The Surveyor contends , That Livy in this place does not condemn the Immorality , but the Luxury , and Profu●sion at these Shews . The Luxury of these Diversions , if it must be call'd so , I suppose consists in over-pleasing a Vitious Palate ; But let that pass . The Surveyor supports his Conjecture from the Citations adding , That this Iusania , or Disorder , was greater than the We 〈◊〉 Nations * could well bear . Now says the Surveyor , Wealthy People have as much need of M●●al●●y as the Poor . No doubt on 't ; and are in more danger too of miscarrying in that Matter . For , as my Adversary has observed , a Nation is too apt to grow Wealthy , and Wanton together : This made Sal●st complain , That the Riches of the Roman Empire occasioned the Decay of Discipline , and the Dissolution of Manners . Without Care , People's Virtue , I mean their Sobriety , is apt to sink with the Rise of their Fortunes ; Their Appetites for Liberty are more awaken'd by Opportunity and Temptation : They have more Money to purchase their Pleasures , and more Leisure to enjoy them . And besides , such Circumstances are farther within the danger of Flattery , and ill Example ; 'T is no wonder therefore to hear Livy affirm , That a Government almost overgrown with Wealth and Power , should be in greater danger of Play-house Infection , then when they were Poor , and more slenderly establish'd : For then their Necessities were some Security ; They could not go to the Expence of Vice , nor had so much time to be Debauch'd . Secondly , That Livy by this Distraction , * meant Licentiousness , will appear by his Censure of the Stage in another place , which we shall come to by and by . The Surveyor rages mightily about my Mistranslating the following part of the Testimony , which runs thus : The Remedy in this case is worse than the Disease , and the Atonement more infectious than the Plague . Here I confess my Edition mislead me , which , ( as I remember , for I have lost the Book ) has inficerent , instead of afficerent , tho I must own this latter Reading appears the best . But notwithstanding this accident the Surveyor shall be no loser , for Livy shall make it up to him another way . And not to defer his Satisfaction , this Historian informs us , That when a Theatre was building by the Censors Direction , Scipio Nasica spoke against it in the House , as a Vseless and Debauching Experiment , and got an Act for the pulling it down . Here Livy not only pulls down the Play-house , but gives such a Reason for the doing it , that one would think should have kept it in Rubbish ever after . And if he questions the Authority of Livy's Epitome , Sigomus , not to mention Vossius , may satisfie him ; who delivers his Opinion in these Words ; Nam sive a Livio , sive a Floro , sive ab alio quo scriptae sunt , ( haec enim omnia Traduntur ) ad Roman●s certe res illustrandas accommodatissimae sunt , praesertim vero ubi Liviana Historia excidit . Qua in parte Livianam apud quemque obtinere debent auctoritatem . Sigon . Schol. p. 6. We must now proceed to the Testimony of Valerius Maximus ; And here the Surveyor will make sufficient Amends for being somewhat in the Right before . This Testimony he affirms relates to the Arena , and concerns none but the Gladiators and Caestiarii : And then very liberally again quotes his own Confutation in the Margin ; * In earnest does this Critick not understand the difference between Theatres , and Amphitheatres , and that the first were for Plays , and the latter for Prizes ? A little School-Learning would have set him right in this Matter , and likewise prevented the Misfortune of making Scenica portenta signifie Gladiators ; which I think has more of prodigy in the Translation , than in the Etymology and Story . And now I suppose it may be pretty plain , that either the Surveyor does not understand Latin , or is not fit to be trusted with it . Farther , the Surveyor's Mistakes are the more unpardonable , because Valerius Maximus spends almost this whole Chapter in describing the Rise and Progress of Plays , the Buildings and Decorations of the Theatre , together with the Checks they received from the Government . He tells us in the very second Paragraph , That these Play-houses were begun by Messalla , but stop'd by Scipio Nasica , who sold all their Materials by the Common Cryer . And that the Senate made a Law , that there should be no Seats or Benches for the Audience to see Plays at within a Mile of the Town . This Passage is expresly cited by St. Augustine , and hinted by Tertullian , to shew how much the Play-house was discouraged by the Roman Magistracy . As to the Animofae acies which he would fain wrest to the Prizes in spight both of the Latin and History of his Author , they are to be understood of the Quarrels and Bloodshed which were not very uncommon at the Play-house , as Tacitus informs us . For at one Riot , which was not the first , there were several Burghers , Soldiers , a Captain , and a Colonel of the Guards killed in the Fray. Now , I hope , this Company may have more Rom●● Blood * in their Veins , and may better stand for the State in the Translation , than his Rabble of Gladiators , who were generally Slaves and Malefactors . To return to Tacitus , This Tumult , as he goes on , was brought before the Senate , where the Actors had like to have come under a very ignominious Discipline : In short , the Playhouse had some Regulations put upon it , and the Disorders of the Audience were punished with no less than Banishment . This happened in the Reign of Tiberius ; Now the Theatre continuing still out of order , and some of the Magistracy having often complained of it to no purpose , at last the Emperor himself moved in the House , that the Lewdness and Riots of these Diversions might be effectually suppressed : Vpon which the Players were banished out of Italy . There is part of Valerius Maximus his Testimony behind , in which , as I observed in the View , he concludes the Consequences of Plays intolerable , and that the Massilienses did well in clearing the Country of them . Here the Surveyor flies to his old Distinction between the Mimi and the Drama , which having disabled already , I might reasonably call a new Cause ; but to give him farther satisfaction , I shall prove , that the Stage is here meant in all its Latitude and variety of Diversion . 1. Then Valetius Maximus in the beginning of the Paragraph , commends the Republick of Marseilles for the Sobriety of their Discipline , and keeping up to their ancient Customs . * Now we are to observe , that the Massilienses were a Colony of the Phocenses in Ionia , who not being willing to submit to the Persian Government , quitted that Country , and settled in Gaul . Now this Removal was in the Reign of Cyrus , in the very Infancy of the Stage , when there was nothing but some rude beginnings of Tragedy at Athens ; Besides , the Massilienses came from Phocis , where neither Aristotle or Lilius Gyraldus mention any thing of the settling or Invention of the Drama : By consequence , if the Massilienses were so tenacious of their Original Customs , they could have no such thing as Tragedy and Comedy among them ; These Entertainments being , as far as it appears , posterior to the forming of their Common-wealth . This will appear farther , if we consider , that , as Suetonius observes , the Business of the Mimicks was Originally part of Comedy * ; so that let us suppose , which we can't grant , that the Drama was as ancient as the Government of the Massilienses , and in use among them , yet we can't with any colour suppose , that the Mimi were distinct from Comedy at that time of day ; so that if the Massilienses were such Admirers of the first Plan of their Government , and stood off so nicely from all Innovation , they must exclude the Drama as well as the Mimi , otherwise the Form of their Stage would be changed , and their Customs receive an alteration . 2. The Reason Valerius Maximus gives , why the Inhabitants of Marseilles refused to admit this Entertainment , * agrees very well with the Drama , It was because the Subject and Gross of these Diversions was mostly Intrigne and Debauchery : These Circumstances the Government were afraid might grow infectious , and spread from Fiction into Practice . Now this is exactly the Description which Tully gives of Comedy , which ( says he ) were it not for Amours and Lewdness , would have no Matter to proceed upon * . 3. The introductive Clause which leads to this Discountenance , points it clearly on the Drama . The Massilienses ( says the Author ) were extreamly strict and severe in their Government and Administration * . Now by the Surveyor's Account of the Mimes and Pantomimes , this could never be meant of them . For they , says he , Danced Naked , and were in their Gestures foul to the last Degree of Scandal . I would gladly know , what Instance of Severity it could be to deny Admission to such Monsters as these ? Is it indeed an Argument of extraordinary Rigour not to allow the grossest Liberties , and which had often been marked and punished at Rome ? A Government can't be said to be remarkably Rigid , unless they tie up their Subjects to particular Restraints , and bar them the Freedoms commonly practised elsewhere . The Massilienses therefore having this Character of Severity , it must be because they would not admit of the more inoffensive Performances of the Stage ; because they refused the Diversions of Comedy and Tragedy , which were then generally permitted in the Roman Empire . 4. Mimus , the Word which the Surveyor cavils upon , is by other good Authors taken for a Play , in the sence of the Drama , as this Gentleman loves to speak . Thus the Learned Thysius upon the place understands it . The Massilienses , ( says he ) cleared their Country of Comedy , and all sorts of Stage-Plays . This they did because they looked upon them as the Nurseries of Lewdness . And Suetonius tells us , That Augustus being at the point of Death , ask'd some of his Friends , Ecquid iis videretur mimum vitae commode transegisse . Now I would ask the Surveyor what he thinks of this Matter ? Did the Emperor enquire whether he had been a good Pantomime in his Life ? Whether he had acted like a finish'd Debauchee , and been Lewd without Shame or Measure ? Did Augustus affect such a Character as this , or think his Memory would be obliged by it ? Such a Supposition would be a Libel upon Nero , who when he came to dye had the Justice to be displeased with his own Lewdness . The meaning therefore of this Question of Augustus must be , Whether he had behaved himself well in his Station , and acted his Part handsomly , as a good Player does upon the Stage ; From whence it will follow , that Mimus must be taken for a Play in its usual signification . But 't is time to dismiss Valerius Maximus , and pass on to Seneca , who it seems has but little to say to the Matter . He should have said , he has but little to say to Seneca : However , let the View , &c. decide that Question . Well! if Seneca says but little , he is resolved to fortifie his Testimony , and help him out . For he frankly confesses , That the Roman youth were generally corrupted by the Countenance which Nero gave to the Stage , and to all those Arts which gratified and indulged the Senses , and that this Philosopher's Complaint was not unreasonable . Truly I think so too , or else I had never cited him . In this place the Surveyor is somewhat kinder than ordinary , for here he not only quotes , * . but argues for me too , and gives me both Text and Margin to make my best of . This Knack of Writing and Recanting at the same time , is a good subtle Expedient : For if ever he should be questioned for publishing a Book to Debauch the Nation , he can make substantial Proof he has confuted himself , and that it 's to be hoped may stop the Prosecution . I must confess I like an Author that knocks his own Mischief on the Head , and like the Scorpion is both Poyson and Antidote . But the Surveyor objects , That Seneca's Charge against the Shews * is general . Why then they are all comprehended : Then he may be sure the most remarkable Shews , such as the Stage , are concerned in the Caution ; especially since the Author has elsewhere expressly declaim'd against 〈◊〉 . Well I perceive all this Skirmishing has nothing but feint and false Alarm , but now he is resolved to come to the Assault in good earnest , and enter upon the Breach of the Quotation , for there , if you will believe him , I have made a shift to steal in Two Falsifications . Now to try this Cause , and discover the foul Play , we must read the Deed in the Court. The Original runs thus . Tunc enim per voluptatem vitia facilius surrepunt . The Translation thus : For there Vice makes an insensible approach , and steals upon us in the Disguise of Pleasure . * And where is the harm of all this ? Harm ! Why I have corrupted one of the Eight Parts of Speech , and suborn'd the Adverb Tunc to give in false Evidence , by Translating it There , instead of Then. Nay ▪ that 's intolerable ! For Seneca , you must observe , had nothing to say against the Shews , and the Play-house , the Diversion or the Company ! The Then , the Circumstance of Time was the Bugbear ; All the infection lay in the Clock , or the Sun-Dial : For People may see what Shews , and go to what Place they please , and be safe enough , provided they do it at no Time ; This is exactly the Surveyor's Reasoning ; and thus he proves the Indictment . The next Falsification is my rendring the words , Per Voluptatem , in the Disguise of Pleasure ; For all that , if he renders them otherwise , I 'm satisfied he 'l do it worse . Indeed I think these Objections are not made in the Disguise of Sence . To conclude , if I was so unfair as to steal in Two Falsifications , I had , it seems the Discretion to steal them out again ; for 't is plain , there 's none of them to be found at present . Tacitus and Plutarch appear next , and are given up by him . But then he is never at a loss , for when he can't Reason he can Rail , and so the Book goes on as well as ever . I produced Ovid and Mr. Wycherley to shew that the Audience at the Play-house was dangerous , as well as the Entertainment : Against this the Surveyor insinuates , That if nothing but Solitude and Retirement will secure us , we must not go to Church ; for there is mixt Company , and bad Designs too sometimes . Under favour , this does not follow . To go to Church is our Duty : Now a Man's Business , and especially when Religious , is his Guard : And God will let no Body miscarry for their Obedience . Besides , the Quality of the Employment , the Solemnity of the Place , and the Majesty of the Presence , is apt to furnish good Thoughts , and check those which are otherwise . But at the Play-house the Case is quite different : This is a Place where Thinking is out of Doors , and Seriousness Impertinent , Here our Reason is apt to be surpriz'd , and our Caution disarm'd ; Here Vice stands upon Prescription , and Lewdness claims Privilege to Solicit . Nay , the very Parade , the Gaiety , and Pleasure of the Company , is not without its danger : These Circumstances heightned with Luscious Dialogue , lively Action , and airy Musick , are very likely to make an unserviceable Impression . And thus we see our standing is but slippery , and the Tide runs high against Flesh and Blood : And as for the Protection of Heaven to bring us off , 't is Presumption to expect it . If we will sit in the Seat of the Scornfull , and make Wickedness our Diversion , Providence we may be sure w●ll withdraw , and leave us to the Government of another Influence . To do the Surveyer Right , he is somewhat of my Opinion in this Matter . He won't deny but a promiscuous conflux of People of all Ages , Sexes , and Conditions , will make the business of Intrigue go forward , and facilitate Enterprizes of this Nature . But he is afraid , if a Restraint were laid upon People , and they were kept out of Harms way , it would be worse with them : And for the truth of this Conjecture , he appeals to the Experiment of Italy , and Spain ; where he observes there is a great deal of Care , and yet a great deal of Miscarriage . It may be so ; but if they are bad under Caution , 't is to be feared Liberty would never mend them . His reasoning about the Imagination being vitiated ( p. 56. ) for want of Freedom is very slender , for Opportunity makes a Thief ; The Temptation rises upon sight , for Sence is stronger than Memory , and Life , than Painting . If the strength of the Stream forces the Bank to give way , the making the Breach wider , is not , I suppose , the proper Method to stop the Torrent . He had best perswade the Dutch to pull up their Dikes and their Dams ; because in several Countreys where the Sea is left to its Course , it does no manner of damage . I confess I never heard that the Spaniards and Italians were all Fools till now : But it seems so 'tis with them : For they are still perfect Strangers to themselves , and know nothing of the Temper of their People , after so many Ages for Information . But of all Men , the Surveyor should not have been severe upon the Reservedness of the Spaniards , because he had allowed it in the Persians before : His Reason was , because the Heat of the Climate , and the Warmth of their Constitutions , hurried them very precipitiously ( as he Phrases it ) into Irregularities . Now Spain is as hot as Persia ; Why then all this Partiality ? That that 's Sawce for a Goose is Sawce for a Gander . Why must the Poor Spaniard be maul'd for his Caution , and for preventing his Family from being hurried very precipitiously into Irregularities ? But after all , the Caffres and Soldanians , the Monsters of Africk both in Figure and Folly , and which , ( as to some of them ) whether Men or Munkeys , has been disputed . These Aequinoctial Sages are much Wiser , it seems , in the Guard of Virtue , than the Spaniards and Italians ! For in many places under the Line , where the People go constantly naked , the familiarity of the Objects takes away all Wantonness of Imagination , which the artificial difficulties of some Countreys promote . Say you so , must Spain and Italy be reformed by Africk , and brought up to the Standard of the Line ? Must People go naked to secure their Modesty ? These are wonderful Discoveries , and one would almost conclude by the drift of them , that the Man had a fancy to turn either Adamite or Pantomime . These Artificial Difficulties of Cloaths spoil all : They disserve the Interest of Virtue , and are an Impolitick Contrivance . This fine Phrase puts me in mind of his Quareling a Sentence of mine for want , as he pretends , of Syntax and Grammer : And therefore upon this occasion I must tell him , That if the Charge was true , Sence without Grammar , is somewhat better then Grammer without Sence . Ovid , by the Surveyor's Confession , pleads guilty , and owns not only the Opportunity , but the Business of the Place promotes Lewdness . But then he fences against the Testimony with his usual evasion , and turns it all upon the Representation of the Mimi : but the next Verse to that , in his Margin , will be sufficient to beat him off his Guard. Vt tamen hoc fatear , Ludiquoque semina prebent Nequitiae tolli tota Theatra jube . Thus Ovid we see is for quite Levelling the Enemies Works : He is for pulling down all the Play-houses , and not leaving so much as a Corner of them standing for Comedy and Tragedy . This Line of the Poet had too much Light to be look'd on , and therefore the Surveyor was resolved to wink hard , and get over it . There is another Verse likewise in the Citation ; which one would have thought might have put him beside the fancy of his Mimi ; and 't is this , Quid caveat Actor , quid juvet arte docet . This Pentameter refers much more to Dialogue than Dancing , to the Methods of Courtship , and the Mysteries of Intrigue , which are generally the Subject of Comedy . And now the Surveyor thinks fit to make a Halt , and seems extreamly satisfied with his performance : I have , says he , at length run through all his private Authorities against the Stage . Run through them ! Yes , like a Bowl that gets nothing ; or if you please , like a Souldier that runs the Gauntlet . Indeed this Author's Method is so very peculiar , he does so often fall foul upon his own Book , quote away his Argument , and mortifie himself , that one would almost fancy he wrote for a Pennance . We are now coming up to the Censures of the State ; Upon this Head I began with the Athenians , and observ'd , that this Republick made a Law , that no Iudge of the Areopagus should write a Comedy . Here the Surveyor is surpriz'd to find the Athenians produced against the Drama , of which they were the greatest Encouragers . As great Encouragers as they were , their forbidding the Judges writing Comedy , proves they look'd upon 't as the most unreputable part of Poetry . Now this was enough for my purpose . Nay , after a little struggling the Surveyor comes forward to a Compliance . He grants writing Comedy was likely to engage the Author in Quarrels and Partialities , and was also an Indignity to the Office of a Iudge . And is not all this a sign , that there was something untoward and unreputable in the performance ? His objecting , that Aristophanes had the better of Socrates , is no Argument of the standing Interest of Comedy : For 't is pretty plain Socrates was oppress'd by a Faction , and executed in a Hurry : For soon after , the Government repented , his Memory was honour'd , and his Prosecutor Melitus Ston'd to Death . But after all , the Surveyor's being surpriz'd , 't is no such News to find the Drama discountenanc'd at Athens : For he frankly affirms , there was once a total suppression of it , an abdication , as he calls it , of Tragedy and Comedy : However I 'm willing to grant him the Athenians were none of the worst Friends to the Stage ; I told him as much : But alass , they paid for their fancy at last ; for the Expence of this Diversion , their Sa●ntring at the Playhouse , and minding Poets more than Field Officers , was , as Justin observes , the Ruine of their Government : This Pr●digality and Sloth made way for Slavery : And Philip of Macedon , a little obscure Prince , grew Master of the Liberties of Greece . From Athens we must Travel to Sparta , where I observed the Stage was not allow'd under any Form or R●gidation . Here the Surveyor grows angry , because ▪ I gave the Lacedemonians a good Word , and after having said they were somewhat of my Kidney , falls a railing unmercifully upon them , and calls them Cynical , Proud , and what not . Well! These Cyni●ks , and he together , put me in mind of old Diogenes , who trampled on Plato's Pride with a greater of his own . I confess the Surveyor's ▪ Saty● has so much of the Rust and Roughness he declaims against , that , I 'm afraid , he 'l appear much more unlick'd ( as he has it ) than the Lacedemonian Laws . But , by this Gentleman's favour , I was far from over-flourishing upon the Spartan's Character , as appears sufficiently from Plutarch , to mention no other Author . This great Man commends them for their Courage , their Discipline , and their Sence ; declares , that he could not perceive any sign of Injustice in their Constitution : He calls them a Nation of Philosophers , and takes notice that the Neighbouring States and Colonies of Greece look'd on the City of Sparta as a perfect Model of good Manners , and Wise Government . To go on ; the Surveyor finds fault because I did not assign the reason of the Spartans Aversion to the Stage . To this I must answer , I had no mind to tire the Reader with unnecessary Talk. Who would imagine , but that so Wise a Government as the Spartans , had a good Reason for their dislike ? However he must garnish his Margin , and have the Reason out , tho it makes against him . Here 't is then : The Lacedemonians allowed neither Tragedy nor Comedy , that they might not hear any thing contradictory to their Laws . No : They had no Palate for the Rapes and Adulteries , and Buffoning Liberties of the Stage . They would not suffer the Sobriety of their Discipline , and the Gravity of their Constitution , to be affronted so much as in jest . Yes , the Surveyor grants they were afraid the Luxury of the Drama , as 't was practised at Athens , might soften their Youth , and enervate their Minds : And now had not I great reason to be afraid of inserting the Citation at length ? But the Lacedemonians were only concern'd to preserve the Martial Spirit of their People . How does that appear ? Were the Lacedemonians only for one good Quality ? Had they no concern for the Vertues of Peace , and the Securities of good Correspondence among themselves ? That 's strange ! Plutarch calls them a Nation of Philosophers , and makes them strict Observers of Regularity in general . But for the Surveyor's sake , let us suppose them Ambitious only of Military Glory : Even this Point could not be gained without Sobriety of Manners . For , if we observe , we shall find the Persians , Greeks , and Romans , &c. were always best Soldiers , when they were best Men. Indeed they held their Empire , as it were of Virtue and Moral Philosophy . For when they came to Debauch , they grew quickly good for nothing ; and dwindled by degrees from Cowardise to Servitude . Insignificancy , to speak softly , is the Natural Consequence of Lewdness . Dissolution destroys both the Will and the Power to be Serviceable . It makes Men impatient of Discipline , Quarrelsom and Mutinous , and unable to bear the Fatigues of War. A Lewd Soldier often fails in point of Corporal Force , is deserted even by his Limbs , and has no Constitution to be Brave , tho never so willing : I mean as to Campaigning , and a Course of War. Thus when the Stage is suffered to Debauch a Nation , and bring Vice into Credit , People will be in danger of having more Confidence than Courage . This is the way to soften a Martial Spirit , and destroy the Principles of Honour . And thus Military Glory , and Civil Vertue , and every thing else that 's worth the owning , must take their Leave in a short time . This Consequence was Wisely foreseen by the Lacedemonians , and guarded against accordingly . The Surveyor rallies once more , and tells us , That Plutarch says indeed , that the Spartans did not admit Comedy nor Tragedy , but says not a syllable of Forms , and Regulations . This is wonderful Civil ! If he grows thus good Natured , I must Dispute with him no longer . I beseech him , What does he think I argued against in the View , was it not against the Liberties of Tragedy and Comedy ? If he fancies I wrote against Punchianello , or the Water-works , he is much mistaken . If the Lacedemonians refused to admit Tragedy , or Comedy upon any Condition , they refused to admit them under any Form. To go farther with him , His old Starting Hole is stopt , for he can't so much as pretend , that the Mimi would pass the Test , where the Drama was thus discouraged . But I am almost to blame for taking notice of these Objections . We must now take a Turn in Italy . From hence I brought a famous Instance , how severely the Roman Government treated the Stage under all its Latitude and Distinctions . The Authority is no less than Tully's , in his Tract de Republica , cited by St. Augustine with Approbation . * To this Testimony the Surveyor returns a surprizing Answer . Since Tully does not appear in his own Person , we shall not ( says he ) spend any time or Ammunition upon him . * Well! Tho his Resolution is right , his Reason is wrong . For , What tho Tully's Books De Republica , are lost , they were extant in the time of St. Augustine ? Is this Father's Credit so low , that he can't be trusted for a Citation ? This Treatise of Tully was too well known at that time a day to be counterfeited ; so that if St. Augustine was unfair in the Citation , he wanted both common Honesty , and common Sence . And after all , I can't perceive that Tully has here deposed more against the Play-house , than Livy did after him , who comes next to be Examined . This Author , to make short work of the Quotation , informs us , That the Common Players were expelled their Tribe , and refused to serve in Arms. Here the Surveyor makes a miserable Pother ; Reasons backwards and forwards , and makes Might and Main for the old Cover of the Pantomimes : And thus by his running upon the File , and Doubling , we may perceive he is almost spent . In answer to what he offers , I shall first take notice of his Concessions : He grants , in the first place , that the Romans went on the same Grounds with the Lacedaemonians in discouraging the Stage . They were afraid their Military Virtue might suffer by it : Now of this Supposition I have made my Advantage already . Secondly , He affirms , That the Practice of the Stage among the Romans fell into the hands of Slaves : From whence one would imagine 't was pretty plain that the Romans thought this Business was too coarse for Persons of higher Condition . Indeed his Reason for this Custom is very pleasant : He says this Profession was thrown up to the Slaves , upon the account of its being a polite Exercise , and too refin'd a Diversion for the rest of the Roman Youth . Now I would gladly know how it comes about , that Slaves are so much better bred than their Masters , and Mob than Persons of Quality ? Upon the Surveyor's State of the Chronology , this was extreamly unlikely : For if this hapned before the Settlement of the Drama , the time lies against him ; for then the Romans had not conquer'd the Polite Countries , nor made any Inroads upon Asia or Greece . But let Acting be as Polite as the Surveyor pleases , 't is plain the Romans look'd upon it as unreputable , otherwise they would never have left it wholly in the hands of Slaves and Mercenary Foreigners . These Concessions one would think were frank enough ; but we shall have more of his Liberality by and by ; and in the mean time I shall consider his Evasions . In the first place he endeavours to avoid the Blow , by fencing with the Distinction between the Ludi Senici and the Drama : But this is meer Supposition and chimerical Fancy , and directly overthrown by a Quotation of his own from St. Augustine : Et haec sunt Scenicorum tolerabiliora ludorum , Comaediae scilicet & Tragediae , &c. The Surveyor should take care to keep his Margin a little in Order ; a bad Memory , and a bad Cause , do very ill together . Secondly , He argues , That this Mark of Infamy set upon the Histriones , can't properly stick upon the Actors of Tragedy and Comedy as such , that Law having been made long before the Drama was brought to Rome . First , with his Favour , this Mark of Disadvantage must evidently stick upon the Actors of Tragedy , &c. and that by his own Argument : for they , and only they , as himself informs us , were call'd Histriones . He is now got off the Pin of Demonstration , and falls down to Conjectures , and argues like any Almanack : He fansies therefore the Mime's and Pantomime's were aim'd at in this Law. To this I answer , That having prov'd the Business of the Mime's , &c. to be originally part of the Drama , by consequence if the Mime's were struck at by this Law , the Drama will be concern'd in the Correction : For the Mime's being , as Suetonius tells us , originally part of Comedy , and Comedy , as Scaliger observes , being prior to the Mime's , this Law being an early Provision , as the Surveyor confesses , could not be made before the Mime's and the Drama were parted ; from whence it will follow , that the Drama must be affected with the Censure . And as this Law was an early , so 't was a lasting Check upon the Stage , being in force when Livy wrote , as appears by the Words of the Citation : * And here the Historian speaks in comprehensive Phrase , and excepting the Fabulae Atellanae , takes in the Play-house , with all its Appurtenances ; as appears not only from the Term Histriones , but from the other expression of Ars Ludicra , which , by the Authority of the Civil Law , quoted by the Surveyor , includes all the Denominations and Distinctions of the Stage . And now having evidently proved the Dramatick Astors under the Discouragement of the Roman Constitution , we need not stand to the Courtesie of his Supposition , for to that , after a little struggling , he is willing to come . Nay , at last he yields up the Supposition for matter of Fact , and cites a Praetorian Edict , hinted by the View , in proof of it ; and because I suppose he wont quarrel at his own Translation , it shall serve instead of the Latin : Whoever ( as the Edict runs ) appears on the Stage to Speak or Act , is declar'd Infamous . Here the Surveyor can't deny but Comedians and Tragedians are included . But then he alledges , That their Profession was not branded on the score of Immorality , but because they exercis'd it for Hire . This being his last Refuge , I shall endeavour to drive him out on 't , and prove in contradiction to his Assertion , That the Play-house was censur'd by the Romans upon the Charge of Immorality , and because of the Scandal of their Performances ; and that 't was the Nature of their Profession , and not the Mercenary Condition of exercising it , which drew the Censure upon them . First then , We may learn from Tully , as St. Augustine cites him , that the Romans look'd upon the Business of Players as ignominious in all the Parts of it ; and as Gothofred expresses it , 't was counted turpe munus , a scandalous Profession . This Mark of Disadvantage we see comes full upon the Function ; there 's no Conditions of Favour or Exceptions for Acting grat●s . This State of Ignominy was not the Punishment of meer Hire : The Romans were not expell'd their Tribe , and thrown out of Common Privilege only for taking Money for their Labour : No ; they Fought for Pay , and Pleaded for Fees , and Traded for Gain too , without any such Disadvantage to their Condition . Why then should Mettals transmute backwards in the Play-house , and Money look so dull and scandalous in the Actors Pockets ? Why should the Consideration of Gain blast their Character , forfeit their Right , and extinguish the Privileges they were born to ? Why , I say , should the Roman Players have such ill luck with their Money more than other People , unless because they were thought not to come handsomly by it ? This extraordinary Usage plainly affects the Matter , and proves the Mystery unreputable : And therefore the latter Law cited by the Surveyor , does nothing of his Business . However , it shall be transcrib'd . Those that appear upon the Stage for Gain , are Infamous , says Pegasus and Nerva the Son. Now by what I have already discourr'd , 't is plain that these Words were design'd to check the Avarice of the Romans , and to keep them from enriching themselves by a 〈◊〉 Profession ; and that if they were resolv'd to live upon the Practice , they should pay for 't in their Character and Credit . In short , the Intention of this Law was to hinder them from dangerous Business , and to make them more in love with Probity than Money . Secondly , That the Play-house at Rome was censur'd for Immorality , may be farther undeniably prov'd from Valerius Maximus , who mentioning the Rise of Plays much after the same manner with Livy , gives the Reason why the Actors of the Fabulae Attellanae had better Quarter than the rest of the Players : And this was , because this Diversion was clean and inoffensive , and made agreeable to the Sobriety of the Roman Discipline . T was form'd , as Casaubon observes , upon the Modesty of the Old Satyr , and was much more Merry than Mad. ` This Staunchness , as Maximus goes on , screen'd the Actors from Disgrace , and purchas'd their Patent of Indemnity : So that they were neither ( like the rest of the Stage ) expell'd their Tribe , nor refus'd to serve in the Field . The Surveyor proceeds to acquaint us , That Tully , tho' a Man of great ' Vanity and Caution , contracted an intimate Friendship with Roscius an Actor , therefore the Business of the Stage was not unreputable . What Tully's Opinion was of the Stàge , has been sufficiently shewn already : As to this Objection , 't is so fully obviated in the View , &c. by Tully himself , that I can't imagine why the Surveyor mention'd it , unless to fill up the Page . But Tully made an Acquaintance with Roscius : Most certainly , Roscius was considerable in his way , and it seems one of the most Moral in his Profession : And besides , 't is likely Tully might learn something of Gesture and Pronunciation of him . In short , Tully lik'd the Man , but not his Business . For all that , he defended his Cause . That 's true ; he defended him in an Action of Debt : But what 's that to his Profession ? Can't a Lawyer plead for his Client , without justifying his Practise , and answering for his Trade ? But I 'm afraid I have consider'd this sort of Reasoning too much , and therefore shall proceed . The Surveyor urges , That Scipio Africanus and Laelius were publickly suspected to have assisted Terence in the Composition of his Plays . Suspected ! Then it seems 't was no very creditable Business . This is an odd way of Arguing , if positive Evidence from unexceptionable History and Law , may be set aside by remote Conjectures , which would signifie nothing , if prov'd ; I say , if the best Evidence may be thus over-rul'd , we must never prove any thing . This Objection was made by Mr. Dennis , and is sufficiently answer'd in my Defence , by the Counter-evidence of Scipio Nasica and Horace . But let us suppose , if you please , which the Instance is far from proving , That Africanus and Laelius believ'd the Stage not discourag'd on the score of Immorality ; the Consequence will only be this , That these two Persons were of one Opinion , and the Government of another ; and thus their Authority is destroy'd by running counter to the Law. This Answer will affect his Objections from the Two Caesars and Seneca ; which being weaker than the rest , I shall consider them no farther . My Instance in the Theodosian Code , Mr. Dennis gives up for an unreasonable Custom ; but the Surveyor , who loves neither Yielding nor Proving , encounters the Authority with a Banter . He finds fault indeed with the Translation ; but disproves it in no particular : But fails in his own Version by his own Rule ; for he renders Histrio by Droll-Actor , whereas he has already told us , that this Word is peculiar to the top Function of the Stage , and signifies the Players in their best Capacity . Farther , by his citing the Law at length , it appears , that Histrio , or an Actor in the Drama , has as little a Character as a Pantomime : Nay , the Language falls rather harder upon the first ; for the Pantomime does not suffer so much in the Addition , nor has that Epithe of Disadvantage which describes the other . And thus by his Criticisms and Exactness , he has made the Translation worse , and the Case worse . I have now gone through his Charge against the Testimonies in the last Chapter of the View , &c. and I hope fully shewn that my Authors have been farily translated and rightly applied . The Objections against the Pagan part of the Authorities , were most of them made by Mr. Dennis before the Surveyor : The Answers to the one therefore will hold against the other . But Mr. Dennis has one Exception about St. Augustine particular to himself ; 't is this : He says St. Augustine , as I have cited him , * has done Cicero a great deal of wrong , in the Character of Roscius . In the first place , my Citation of St. Augustine is right to a tittle ; and therefore I can have nothing to answer for . And that St. Augustine was the least to blame , we have no just Reason to suspect . For , first , we are to observe , that Tully's Oration , Pro Roscio , cited by Mr. Dennis , is a great part of it lost , we have neither beginning nor end of it . But in St. Augustine's time Tully's Works were entire . Now because a Passage is not in part of an Argument , to conclude it was not there at all , is an odd way of reasoning . And if 't was not in this Oration , there was room enough for it in the rest of Tully's Works , which are now lost . Secondly , The Words and Sence of this Quotation , and that cited by Mr. Dennis , are so very different , that 't is next to impossible , that St. Augustine , if he quoted from Memory , should mistake the one for the other : And yet he quotes it roundly , and Reasons positively upon it . From whence ( says this Father ) Tully was most clearly of Opinion , that the better a Man was , the less fit he was to make a Player . And can we imagine a Person of S. Augustin's Character , could mistake so mark'd and memorable a Sentence ? He that was so well acquainted with the Heathen Learning , and particularly with Tully , having publickly taught Rhetorick in his younger time ? To change the Words of an Author to so strange a Degree , to so very foreign a signification , could be nothing but Design . Now can we imagine that St. Augustine's Conscience could digest such a Practice as this ? Would he who had wrote a whole Books against Falshood and Lying , be guilty of so notorious an Instance himself ? What , in an Author so well known as Tully , in a Sentence so very remarkable , and in a Treatise written for the Satisfaction of the Heathens ? For now we are to observe , that St. Augustine was encountring some Pagan Objections about the Gospels , and proving the Consistency of the Evangelists with each other . Besides , there was no necessity for so wretched and ridiculous an Expedient : The Controversie did not languish for this Citation ; for as pertinent as it was , St. Augustine could easily have gone on without it . But possibly the Reader may think I have taken too much notice of a Calumny so much without colour : To return therefore to the Surveyor . And here once for all , I can't but wonder at his Captiousness and Noise against the Method of my Quotations : The Authors , says he , were not cited at length , and in their own Language , which it seems could be nothing but Design . That my Meaning was fair , I have made good already ; and that my Method was defensible , is no less plain , for I always took care to cite Book , Chapter , or Page , and sometimes Edition too . Now how could Imposition and foul Play lie hid under such a Punctuality ? When this was done , what need was there of stuff●ing the Margin with Greek and Latin ? Why should I give my self a needless Fatigue , and trouble the English Reader with a foreign Language to no purpose ? All unnecessary Quoting is either Pedantry or Ostentation . The Surveyor has neither Reason nor Custom for his Demands . What then would the Man be at ? I hope he did not expect I should get a Certificate , or make Affidavit in proof of my Authorities ? 'T is true , his making a squabble about the Testimonies has now somewhat alter'd the Case ; Insomuch that I am sometimes forced to bring him to the Test of the Original , to discover his Honesty . And now having set the Testimonies right , the rest of the Surveyor's Book will go off apace . The Surveyor Complains of my Censuring the Musick and Gestures of the Playhouse only upon Report , having never heard of one , nor seen t'other . As to the Playhouse Musick , he has given me no occasion to resume that Argument , neither did I meddle with their Dancing . But here he runs too fast . I only told him , I was no Frequenter of the Playhouse . I must tell him , I have been there , tho not always for Diversion . I am not so much a Stranger to that place , as not to have seen the Behaviour of their Women bold , and the Gestures lewd sometimes , witness the Hostess in Bartholomew Fair ! His appeal to the Ladies in this Case is strangely out of the way . He has reproach'd them too much in the Dedication , either to expect their Favour , or depend on their Decision . The Outrage is very gross and comprehensive , as will appear at the first sight . Women , says the Surveyor to the Earl of Dorset , and weak Men , whose Fears are stronger than their Iudgments , will be awed into a Perswasion before they are convinced of the Truth of it . For such People , in most Cases , measure the certainty of Assertions by the Confidence of him that pronounces them . Here 's a Flourish for ye upon the whole Sex ! Here 's Decency of Application , and Strains of Breeding and Conduct ! And does the Surveyor call in the Ladies to Vouch for him after this Usage ? After he has disabled their Character , and thrown them out of Sence and Capacity ? His Modesty and Judgment , I perceive , are much of a size : These Complaints , I suppose , were calculated for Russia , or rather for Constantinople , where the Women are said to have no Souls . I asserted in the View , &c. with reference to the English Stage , That if they have any advantage in their Instrumental Musick , they lose it in their Vocal : Their Songs being often rampantly l●wd , and irreligious to a flaming excess : Now the ancients , as we have seen already , were inoffensive in this respect . Here the Surveyor falls a railing very liberally , and if his Logick would but answer his Language , there was no enduring him : But the best on 't is , his Reasoning usually makes amends for his Railing : And so it happens at present , for at the first opening of the Cause , he does no less than give it up . He grants the Chorus of the Ancients was harmless enough . But then the Reason he proves it by is somewhat untoward . This Musick , says he , consisted of Hymns and Praises of their Gods , and therefore Lewdness would have been impertinent . On the contrary , the Pagan Idols were lewd , and their Worship was lewd , and if the Hymns had been so too , they had been all of a Piece . Where then was the impropriety ? But then this , as St. Paul observes , was for the most part done in secret : For Nature was not wholly subdued by Idolatry . 'T was therefore the force of Modesty , and the regards of Virtue , which made the Chorus inoffensive , and not Compliance with Religion , as the Surveyor suggests . And is not the ancient Stage much better than the Modern upon this account ? For they declin'd Smutt , tho their Religion allow'd it . But these are resolv'd to charge through their Creed , and to have it at any purchase of Infamy and Danger . To return to the Chorus , if that was inoffensive , as the Surveyor truly affirms , then the Vocal Stage Musick of the Ancients was inoffensive , for they had no Songs but in the Chorus ; I Challenge the Surveyor to produce one elsewhere in all the Old Tragedy and Comedy extant : And does it not follow from hence , that the old Drama was inoffensive , not only upon the Comparison , but even without it ? His running off to the gross Liberties of the Mimi is a poor relief : For , First , By thus retreating from the Subject , he quits the Field , and leaves the Antient Drama in possession of the Advantage contested . Secondly , In all his Ramble and Aggravation about the Mimi , he neither offers to prove his Point by Argument or Testimony : He neither gives any Instance , nor cites any Author ; so that the whole of his Cause lies only in Affirmation and Assurance . His saying , That all who are acquainted with the Roman Stage , know his Charge against the Mimi to be true , is like the rest . I must tell him , he does not know it to be true , and therefore should not object it . Nay , as far as it appears 't is untrue ; for the Lewdness of the Mimi consisted more in Gesture , than Expression . I charged the Stage with encouraging Revenge , and mistaking the Notion of Honour : This he denies , and would make us believe , that a Vindictive Humour is almost always made the Mark of a Tyrant or a Villain in Tragedy . But by his Instance in Don Manuel he mistakes the Point : The Disorders of Princes was not the Dispute in that place : 'T was private Revenge which was principally aimed at , as appears by the mention of Duelling . And is not this Humour incouraged by the Stage ? Don't their Characters of Figure quarrel in Comedy , and Murther in Tragedy ? Is it not Honourable to do it , and Infamous to refuse it ? And thus , by these Maxims , a Man is bound to be Damn'd in Defence of his Honour , and can't be a Christian without being reckon'd a Poltron . To say this , Frensy is countenanced in Life , and that a Poet is obliged to draw according to Nature is a lamentable Plea. At this rate Rapes and Adulteries must be Acted , and all sort of Blasphemy repeated , that Nature may be shewn in her Colours : But this I have answered already . And therefore his saying , That there can be no Breach of Morality , without offending against the Laws of the Drama ; His saying this , is in effect , to make the Poets Soveraign Judges of Good and Evil ; To give the Stage a Power Paramount to Gospel and Law , and to make Vice the Standart of Virtue . By this Doctrine they may bring all the Stench of the Stews upon the Board , and Poyson Cum Privilegio . For , what is all this , but a close Imitation of Life ? Now if any Man dislikes these Figures , let him do it at his Peril , says the Surveyor , for then he finds fault with Nature , not with the Poet. Nay , if those Pictures be drawn according to the Life , he might as well snarl at the Wise Providence which governs the World , because he meets more ugly Faces then handsom ones , more Knaves and Fools than Honest Men , &c. This is admirable Reasoning ! For , in the first place , to suppose Ugliness so very common , is a Satyr upon Mankind , and is remote both from Truth , and Decency : But to make Knavery the effect of Providence , as this Author does by the drift of his Reasoning , and the force of his Comparison , is next to Blasphemy . To proceed from his Supposition to his Inference : Does the Surveyor think there 's no difference between Natural Defects and Moral Turpitude , and are Ugly Faces as catching as Ugly Practices ? Certainly , no. The Deformities of Behaviour are much more dangerous than those of Person and Understanding . Lewdness and Atheism are infectious , but Folly is a disadvantage to none but him that has it . Now , if we are obliged to guard our Virtue , and avoid ill Discourse , Why not in the Play-house , as well as in other places ? Unless we 'l say , that the Wit and Figure , and Success of a Libertine mortifies his Example , and makes him less dangerous : And then by the same Rule we may conclude , that the malignity of a Distemper is a good symptom of Health , and that People are likely to do least mischief , when they are best prepared for 't . I must now attend the Surveyor in his Examination of the Greek and Roman Tragedy , in which he pretends the Ancients were defective in the Morality of their Fable . And upon the comparison of some few Instances , endeavours to throw the preference upon the Moderns . In this Enquiry he spends a great part of his Book , which were it never so lucky , would be but little to his purpose . For , to say no more at present , this Justification would reach no farther than Tragedy , Comedy does not enter the Dispute upon this Head , and therefore must be left defenceless . He throws away abundance of Ammunition upon this place , which if he could carry it , would not be worth the Storming : This will appear upon the progress of the Contest ; and in the mean time I shall endeavour to repel the Attack , and disappoint him in the little Advantage . In pursuing this Point , the Surveyor falls into a mighty Vein of telling Stories , which by the length and manner of them , one would fancy were told more for his own Diversion , than the Readers . Here we must take him by Tale , and not by Weight ; measure his Arguments by the Page ; And if a Man could be confuted by the Yard , he might possibly have done my Business . He begins with the Fable of Sophocles his Oedipus , and Censures it for being very deficient in the Moral . And yet in the next Words he owns it may serve to put us in mind of the Lubricity of Fortune , and the Instability of Humane Greatness . Call you this Moral very deficient ! Does it not hold forth a Lesson of Justice and Moderation to great Men ? Does it not teach the proper use of Prosperity , and prepare us for the Turns of Adversity ? This Moral is so far from being deficient in a Play , that it would make a good Sermon . But the ground of the Quarrel is , this Moral is too good for such a Heathen as Sophocles , and therefore he must not have it . Not have it ! What , tho the Poem uses it expresly as such ? that 's confessed : For all that the Surveyor not only finds fault with Mr. Dryden , but wont give Sophocles leave to understand the Moral of his own Fable . This is very hard . But since he is resolv'd to refine upon Sophocles and Mr. Dryden , let 's see what he 'l make on 't . Now this Gentleman tells us , that the genuine Moral of the Fable ought to have been shewn in setting forth Oedipus's ; Misfortunes , as a result of his Impiety , in advancing his own Iudgment above that of his Gods ; and thinking by his own Wisdom to reverse the immutable Decrees of Destiny , and upon this account his Vanity deserv'd the heaviest Chastisement . To this I answer , First , That if this were the Moral , it would not be without Instruction : It might shew the vanity of contesting with Omnipotence , and teach submission to the Decrees of Heaven , that People should conclude the Punishment just by the Hand that sent it , and not repine at the Mysteries of Providence . But Secondly , That this Sence is not the genuine Moral , appears by the Surveyor's Objection , in which he grants , That Predestination was not so universal among the Antient Heathens , but many held the contrary . And if Oedipus was one of this Number , he grants his Moral falls to the Ground . Now , that Oedipus was no Predestinarian , I think is pretty clear from his Management : For if he believed a Fatality , he must believe his Misfortunes irretrievable , and why then was he so weak as to attempt the preventing it ? Why then did he quit his Fortune and his Friends , throw up the Expectations of a Crown , and run rambling after a known Impossibility ? Such a Piece of Pilgrimage is fitter for a Goose then a Hero , especially one who could look through Mysteries , untie Riddles , and had a reach of Understanding above the rest of Mankind . 'T is plain therefore , Oedipus did not imagine himself under a Necessity of of Murthering his Father . He thought the Oracle pronounced no more then a Conditional Truth ; He took it for a fair warning , but believed the Event might be secur'd by Care , and Caution . Farther , By this Scheme of Fatality the reason of Punishment is destroyed , and by consequence the Moral sinks with it . For , why should Oedipus be punished for attempting to reverse Destiny , when all his Actions were pre-ordain'd , and he had not so much as his own Will in his power ? Where there is no Choice , there can be no Fault : Alass ! Upon this Supposition his Vanity was unavoidable , and he could no more help the contesting with Fate , than he could over-rule it . For as the Surveyor has it from Seneca , Quicquid patimur mortale genus , Quicquid facimus venit ab alto . To make Oedipus smart for questioning the Oracle in this Case , is against all Reason and Justice : And the Poet might as well have brought him to Execution , because he could not fly . And thus we see the Poet will shift much better by himself than with the Surveyor's Assistance . The Moral of the rest of Sophocles's Plays is either good , or not bad , by his own Confession , and therefore that Dispute is at an end : 'T is true he excepts a little against Hyllus's Expostulation with the Gods. But this Objection was started , and consider'd in the View , &c. Orestes's killing his Mother , tho not Censur'd by the Surveyor , lies harder upon Sophocles than the other . But when we consider , that he was put upon this Practice by the Oracle , to revenge his Father's Murther , and the Abuse of his Bed ; This Consideration , I say , upon the Heathen Theology , seems to excuse the Fact. We are now to proceed to Euripides , who is blam'd by the Surveyor for not contriving his Fable to the Advantage of his Moral . To this it may be return'd , That his Instances of Mismanagement in this Poet are but few : And even all of those few * won't hold ; and where they do , the Plays are defensible upon another Head. And because he makes Orestes , and the other produced by him , a Sample of the rest , it may not be amiss to shew the Reader in a Word or two , how unfairly Euripides is represented by the Surveyor . To begin , Hecuba his first Play , has a Moral sufficiently instructive . For , here Polydorus comes from the other World to discover Treachery and Murther . And Polymnestor , King of Thrace , being the guilty Person , is punish'd with the loss of his Eyes : This Piece of Revenge is executed by Hecuba , Mother to the Murther'd Person , and being question'd for the Fact , she is acquitted by Agamemnon ; as indeed she well might , having done nothing unjustifiable by the Principles of Paganism . The Phaenissae is full of Moral Sentences , and as to the Fable , the Misfortune of Laius and his Posterity is declared to proceed from his disobedience to the Oracle : which holds forth this Lesson , That 't is dangerous to go counter to the Instructions of Heaven ; and that our Duty should always over-rule our Desires . Hippolitus Coronatus is taxed by the Surveyor with a defective Moral , because an inoffensive young Prince of that Name miscarries in 't . But this Fable , if we look farther , has a great deal of good meaning in 't . For Hippolitus is visited in his Misfortunes by a Goddess who clears his Innocence , undertakes his Quarrel , and promises to immortalize his Memory . The Surveyor grants Alcestis a Moral Play , and the same may be said of Andromache : For here Hermione , who injur'd the Royal Captive Andromache , grows almost distracted with her guilt , and is hardly prevented from dispatching her self . Menelaus likewise designing to Murther Andromache and her Son Molossus , is disappointed in his Barbarity by Peleus , who comes in the nick of time to the rescue of the Innocent . And at the end of the Play , Andromache is left in possession of the Country , Married to Helenus , Hector's Brother , and the Crown settled upon her Son Molossus : And to enrich the Moral farther , the Generous and Compassionate Peleus is Deifyed by Thetis , and transported to the Fortunate Islands . The Moral of the Supplices is not amiss . The Case stood thus . Creon King of Thebes refusing Burial to the Chiefs slain before that Town , Adrastus , the only surviving Confederate , applies to Theseus King of Athens , for Assistance , desiring to be put into a Condition to take care of the Funerals of his Friends . For to have these Solemnities unperform'd , was a sad misfortune among the Heathens , who believed the Ghosts of the Deceased had no rest , till their Bodies were burnt , and their Bones buried , according to that of Virgil. Nec ripas datur horrendas & rauca fluenta Transportare , prius quam sedibus-ossa quierunt . The Request being thus reasonable , Theseus complies with it , and having demanded Justice of Creon by an Embassy to no purpose , he goes against him in Person , defeats his Forces in the Field , and recovers the dead Bodies of the Generals . This Expedition was a generous Instance of Humanity to the Dead , and Living , and In the next Play Euristheus smarts for persecuting the Heraclidae . These injur'd Persons are assisted by the Athenians , defeat the Usurper , and recover their Right . To say no more , this Play threatens Pride with Divine Vengeance , and pleads strongly for Justice and Religion . The Tragedy of Helena gives Countenance to Probity : For , by the Structure of the Fable , Helena is a Lady of Virtue , undebauch'd by Paris , and never at Troy : She is detain'd Prisoner in Egypt , and proves constant to her Husband Menelaus , tho courted by Theoclymenus King of that Country . In short , she conceals Menelaus upon his arrival , makes the King believe he was Wreck'd , and desiring leave to solemnize his Funeral on the Shoar , gets an opportunity to escape the Tyrant , and set sail . Theoclymenus finding himself betray'd , and suspecting his Sister Theonoe in the Plot , resolves to Murther her ; but is perswaded to desist , and brought to Temper by the Machine of Castor and Pollux . Here the Moral lies upon the surface , is apparently virtuous , and therefore I shall say no more about it . To conclude , Euripides's Electra stands upon the same foot of Excuse with that of Sophocles , and therefore I shall pass it over . From this short Survey the Reader may perceive , that much the major part of Euripides's Plays are unexceptionable in their Moral ; And that Poetick Justice was generally the Poet's Care : Which appears farther by his Apology for his Ixion . For , some of the Audience censuring the Conduct of this Play , for suffering Ixion to flourish , and thrive upon this Wickedness ; The Poet desires them to have Patience , for , says he , I broke him upon the Wheel at last , and then he paid for all . The Surveyor therefore is much mistaken in making the Ancients so negligent in their Fable : As if a good Moral from them was rather the effect of Casualty than Choice . There are four Tragedies of Euripides still unmention'd ; that is , his Orestes , Medea , Hercules Furens , and Ion : Here I confess the Byass of the Fable is not so well contriv'd , as in the rest . But then he may be in a great measure excused upon these Two following Considerations : First , Because Euripides takes care to correct the Malignity of his Fable by Moral Sentences , and Philosophical Advice , of which , as the Surveyor ●onfesses , he is very liberal . Yes : The Anciens , says he , deliver'd their Instructions in Wise Sayings scatter'd in the Dialogue , or at the Close ; Now these Sentences were possibly more intelligible to a Common Understanding , than the Mystery of Plots , and the Revolution of Fables : And therefore when the rest of the Play was not stuffed with Lewdness , might govern in the Minds of an Audience , and make a significant Impression : But , Secondly , That which goes farthest in the Justification of Euripides is , that the Disposition of the Fable was seldom in his power : The Subject was generally History , or received Tradition ; from which 't was unsafe to vary . For , to cross upon common Belief , and give Matter of Fact the Lye , was the way to spoil the Probability and Relish of the Poem . The Antients therefore , as the Surveyor remarks from Aristotle , being forc'd to take the Fable as they found it , the fault lay in the History , which made the Poet more excusable . And this may serve to shew , that Euripides is much better complexion'd than the Surveyor was pleas'd to draw him . He is mistaken likewise in affirming , That Euripides does not touch the Passions like Sophocles : For , no less a Judge than Quintilian gives him the preference : He had , says he , an admirable stroak at the Pathos in general ; And for raising Compassion , was clearly superior to Sophocles . And if Quintilian's Authority stood in need of being confirm'd , the Poet Hippolitus Coronatus , to say nothing farther , might vouch for him . From Euripides the Surveyor goes backward to Aeschylus , but this Poet will quickly be disengag'd , for the whole Attack is made only upon a Sentence or two in his Promotheus Vinctus . But here he is out again in his Impeachment , and misrepresents the Reason of Promotheus's Punishment . For 't was not meer good Nature that made Promotheus miscarry . 'T was because he made bold with Iupiter's Prerogative , broke into his Administration , and dispos'd of his Bounty against his Will. — 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 — And in the next Page : 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Promotheus pretended it seems to understand what was fit for the World better than Iupiter , and to love Mankind more than he that made them . Now to do this , is Arrogance , and Imputation with a Witness . Besides , as appears in the latter part of the Play , he scorn'd a release from his Torments , menaced his pretended Supream , and rattled his Chains against his Judge . But 't is high time for the Surveyor to quit the Coast of Greece , having met with no Prize after all his Cruising . He is now sailing homewards , and trying to mend his Voyage , by touching at Rome . And , to conclude the Allegory , Seneca is the Man , to make his Fortunes . And here he would perswade the Reader , that I took all Seneca ' s Plays for the Work of one Man. His Reason is , I suppose , because I call'd them Seneca's Tragedies : Because I did not distinguish between the Plays written by Marcus , and those by Lucius Annaeus Seneca ; and run out into Pedantry and Foreign Observation . But enough of this . The Surveyor remarks , that all Seneca's Tragedies are of Greek Extraction : ( for the Octavia is not worth the naming . ) They are so . And so much the better , for then , where they need it , what I have offer'd for the Greeks , may serve for their Apology . Then the Plan of the Fable takes it's refuge in History ; and comes down with Excuse to the Poet. Besides , the Surve●or takes notice , that Seneca refines upon the Justice of Euripides in his Hippolytus , and mends his Moral . Why , this is just as one would wish . But then the Man grows angry , because I did not distinguish the Plays of Seneca the Philosopher from the rest , and exempt him from Censure . Why , truly I had no leisure for trifling in Criticisms : And moreover , I could not wholly excuse him ; for his Rants ( if they belong to him ) are sometimes as extravagant as may be * . His Parallel of Ajax Oileus with a late Misfortune won't hold . For Ajax was sunk in his Blasphemy , and had his Breath stop'd with a Thunderbolt : He is no Person of the Drama ; But what then ? This Instance is sufficient to shew the Poet's Justice , and make an Example of the Crime . His pretended Division of Tragedy from Aristotle into Moral and Pathetick , is strangely misrepresented . By this Distinction he would make us believe , that according to Aristotle , the Pathetick Tragedy had no regard to Morality , and Poetick Justice . But this is not only contrary to Matter of Fact , but to the Authority of the Citation . For , Aristotle makes four Branches of his Division of Tragedy , and not two only , as this Author quotes him . These four kinds of Tragedy the Philosopher forms upon the four principal Excellencies relating to this Art. The first sort he calls 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , or that which turns chiefly upon Intrigue , and Discovery ; The second is the Pathetick , the Beauty of which consists in the skill of touching the Passions , and awakening Terror and Pity to an unusual degree . Now if the Fable was well cast , and Poetick Justice observed , as I have prov'd it often happen'd ; in this case I say , this sort of Tragedy , is every jot as instructive , or in other words as Moral , as any other . The 3d sort was distinguish'd by a plain and pompous Narration without surprize of Incidents or Revolution of Affairs . Here the Gods made a great part of the Dialogue , and the Peculiarity of it lay in the Majesty of the Presence , of the Subject and Expression . The fourth is the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or Moral , so called because , as appears by the Instances , and the learned Paraphrast Goulston , it dealt chiefly in virtuous Examples , and Characters of Justice and Piety . In a word , the Distinction goes more upon Person , Character , and Discourse , than upon Fable and Event . And thus 't is plain , that Aristotle was far from having any of the Surveyor's fancie 's in his head : For all these kinds of Tragedy notwithstanding their Difference , were equally capable of a good Moral , and of adjusting Rewards and Punishments , And therefore this Philosopher was no such inexhaustible Spring of Corruption , no such everlasting Source of Infection , as this Gentleman and his terrible Rhetorick would make him . Having now disabled his Instances of Exception , and vindicated the Antients ; the Design of his Attack is defeated . And his long Declamation , into which he has ramm'd so many hard words , will recoil upon himself ; and discharge nothing but Smoke and Noise , Paper and Powder . For by this time I suppose 't is pretty clear that my Satyr ( as he calls it ) does not come near so full upon the Antients , as upon the Moderns . For first , As we have seen the Old Tragedians were generally unexceptionable in their Fable ; and when they were not , t is because they were tied down to the Models of History and Religion , upon which account both Aristotle and the Surveyor are willing to make them an Allowance . Secondly , The Antient Tragick Poets were clean in their Expression . And Thirdly , They are not near so full of Profaneness and Atheistical Rants . The Surveyor is resolv'd notwithstanding to produce some Modern Tragedies , which tho they have little to say , are to look boldly upon the Court , and pass their Resolution for their Innocence ; And here Shakespear's Hamlet is brought first , and a great many Words spent to prove the Regularity and Instructiveness of the Fable . But , what 's all this to the Controversy ? My Exceptions to Hamlet related only to his Indecencies of Language ; and how handsomly the Surveyor justifies that , we shall see afterwards . However here the Surveyor was resolv'd to set up a King of Clouts of his own making ; and then to fall on and Conquer him with great Bravery : Or , perhaps his Heart being better than his Sight , he might mistake the Wind-mill for the Gyant . His next Instance is in the Orphan , against the Fable of which tho I did not except , yet 't is by no means so staunch as he would make it . For here 's no just Distinction of Fate upon the Merit of the Persons ; but the good and bad , the innocent and guilty , fall under a common Misfortune . Cleomenes comes next under the Surveyor's Examination : This Play he taxes extreamly with the want of a Moral . And does this prove , that the Fable of the Moderns is preferable to the Antients ? What makes him argue on my side ? How some People's Vanity rides their Judgment ! He must be throwing his Criticisms about , tho he falls upon his Friends , and weakens his Argument by his Discovery . The Two remaining Tragedies are Don Sebastian and the Mourning Bride . Now he knows I have made several material Objections against these Plays , which he does not attempt to remove . I must tell him therefore once for all , that the Justification of the Fable is no Answer : For I did not charge the Moderns with being being Infection all over : No , they may do Execution enough without that . Besides , the Fable by his own reasoning works least sensibly , it sleeps as it were in the Veins , and is slow in the Operation . But foul Images , and profane Discourse , are of a quicker Dispatch , and like the Plague sudden , and sure . And then the Decency , Moral Sentences , and Gravity of the Antients were a sort of Counterpoyson to the Fable : For , as the Surveyor observes , the Discourse of the Antient Tragedy was frequently Moral , when the Fable was not . To which I must add , that when the Moderns are staunch in their main Fable , their Episodes and Under-Character are much out of Order , and encourage Vice by giving it success . He would gladly put in still for some Advantages to the Moderns , with respect to the Moral ; but the Claim sticks cruelly in the making out . He mentions Three Particulars , the Two first of which are no more than one , and that is , that The Moderns are never at the Expence of a Miracle to bring about a wicked Design , as the Antients have notoriously done . To this I answer , First , That he has over-charged the Antients , and multiplied his Instances beyond Matter of Fact ; as appears by what I have proved already . Secondly , In those few Plays where the Allegation is true , they represented the History of their Theology , they had Common Belief for their Excuse , so that it seems rather the fault of the Religion , than the Poet. And as for the Moderns , their standing off from this Conduct seems to proceed more from Management than Scruple ; By the Liberties they take in other Cases , we have no reason to believe they declined this ill use of Machine out of Conscience : But because they know this Expedient won't take : The Method looks unnatural , and the Credulity of the Audience is not high enough to make it go down . His Second Advantage for the Moderns is , that their Malefactors are generally punish'd . The Antients did the same , as I have prov'd from the Three Greek Tragedians . But after all , the Moderns are far from being so careful in the execution of Justice as he pretends . For I 'm mistaken if Libertines that expose Vertue , and droll upon Religion , are not great Malefactors . To steal Property , is not so bad as to steal Principle ; For this latter Practice extinguishes the Notion of Right , and makes Thieving Universal . He that destroys the Distinction of Good and Evil , is the worst Tyrant ; for he encourages all Men to be like himself . Now these sort of Malefactors are cherished and rewarded by the Modern Stage . The Surveyor proceeding in Defence of the Moderns , affirms , that the Fable of every Play is undoubtedly the Author 's own , whencesoever he takes the Story , and he may model it as he pleases ; The Characters are not so , for these the Poet is oblig'd to take from Nature . To this I answer , First , In contradiction to his Assertion , That when the Poet writes from History , he is in a great measure confin'd to Matter of Fact , so that the Fable is not in his own power to model as he pleases . This , besides the Reason of the thing , is already granted by the Surveyor , who brought Aristotle's Authority for the Case . To which I shall add that of Horace , which may be applied both to Fable and Characters . Aut famam sequere , aut convenientia finge , Scriptor . Now 't is both Aristotle's and Horace's Judgment , that a Tragick Poet should rather go upon Fact , and known Tradition , than pure Invention in the choice of his Subject . Rectius Iliacum Carmen deducis in Actus , Quam si proferres ignota , indictaque primus . Secondly , 'T is very possible to keep an irregular Character under Discipline ; for Terrence's Strumpets don't talk Smut , and the same Conduct will hold in other Cases . In a word , we must not stretch Propriety to the prejudice of Virtue , nor make Nature a Plea for Debauchery . But this pretence I have fully satisfied elsewhere . His last Effort upon the Fable of the Antients is , that neither Aristotle nor Horace , amongst all their excellent Rules for Dramatick Writing , have taken the least notice of Poetick Iustice. But that neither of these great Men were so regardless of the Fable , as the Surveyor would make them , will appear from what follows : For , First , Aristole affirms , That to represent a Person of Probity * unhappy , would not only be Unpoetical , but * Scandalous , and Detestable : And on the other hand , to make a very Wicked Man successful , is the most improper Conduct imaginable , and has not so much as a jot of the due requisites of Tragedy in 't . The first Reason he gives for this Censure is , because such Preposterous Management fails in a proper Regard to Mankind * . Now , if an Unrighteous Treatment of Virtue and Vice , and Male-administration upon Merit , is in the Opinion of Aristotle , a Neglect of Humane Nature , a Scandalous Practice , and a Breach of Dramatick Law , then certainly this Philosopher did not over-look the Respects of Justice in his Preceps for Tragedy . This , if need be , will appear farther from the Qualifications he requires in his Hero , who is to suffer at the latter end of the Play. This chief Person he would have of a Middling size for his Morals , neither remarkable one way nor t'other : He would not have him flamingly Wicked , for then no body would be concern'd for his Misfortune , Compassion would sleep , and Tragedy flag . But then he must fall into some great Indiscretion , and be guilty of considerable Mismanagement ; He must be punish'd 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , for some notorious failure in his Conduct ; For some Fault which he might have prevented ; otherwise you bring him under the Character of those Virtuous Persons , * whom Aristotle says 't is scandalous to make unhappy . Thus we see he suffers for his Faults , he is made a Malefactor , tho not to the degree of falling unpitied . And thus the Example works the right way , and the Audience is alarm'd into Caution . Thus they are held to their Good Behaviour , and the passion of Terror is purg'd ; which advantages could never follow if the Hero had no Faults to justifie his Misfortune . For to see a good Man punish'd for that he can't help , is the way to make the Passions of the Tragedy run Riot , and grow mutinous against Providence ; and is rather an Argument for Despair than Circumspection . And this may serve to shew , that Aristotle was not regardless of Poetick Justice . And that Horace , who goes upon the Plan of the Antients , was of the same mind , is evident from his Advice to the Chorus , to appear for Virtue , and perform the Offices of Friendship ; To recommend Justice , and pray the Gods that Fortune might follow Desert ●* . Now the Chorus , we know , was to unite with the Subject , to support the Design of the Play , and represent the Sence of the Poet. If therefore Horace would have the Chorus solicit thus strongly for Justice ; he expected , no doubt , the Catastrophe should be govern'd by the same Instructions . And thus I have endeavour'd to detect his Calumnies upon the Antients , to vindicate their Fable , and to disappoint him in his Project upon the Comparison . And alass ! if the Moderns could have carried this part of the Preference , it would have done them but little service . A formal Piece of Justice at the end of a Lewd Play , is nothing but a Piece of Grimace , and a Politick Hypocrisy . 'T is much such a strain of Conduct , as it would be to let a Mad Dog loose among the Crowd , and then knock him on the Head when he has bitten a great part of them . And yet this poor Excuse has no pretence in Modern Comedy , where Libertinism comes generally off with Victory and Flying Colours . And to this Performance of the Stage the Surveyor now leads me , and begins with the Definition of Comedy : But against the Latitude and Construction of his Interpretation , I have argued in my Defence , of which , according to his Method , he takes no notice . And by his Description of the Business of Comedy , we have no reason to expect any good from it . He says the design of Comedy is rather Civil Prudence than Morality , and as he is pleas'd to go on , we are not to expect it should confer Grace , or mend Principles . Then as for the Characters , tho he would not have them all Vitious , he means not just to qualifie them for Newgate , or Tyburn ; But then especial care must be taken , that there is no Person of Sobriety amongst them : No , they must be all Men of Pleasure ; for if they are tainted with too much Honesty , they will disagree with the Company , and spoil the Projects of the Stage . Well! I perceive the Surveyor is resolv'd , notwithstanding his Pretences to the contrary , to make the Modern Writers of Comedy more Licentious than the Antient ; for Doemones in Plautus informs us , that the Comick Poets in his time us'd to pretend to Discipline , and throw in Lectures of Morality . And tho the Surveyor takes care to get all his Characters of Figure debauch'd , and won't suffer any thing of Conscience or Regularity to tread the Stage , for fear the Audience might suffer by the Example : Yet Plautus was of another mind , for in his Captivi all the Characters are sober , and well in order , and particularly Tyndarus and Philochares , Two young Gentlemen , are Men of Vertue ; and so is Lusiteles , another of the same Quality and Age , in his Trinummus . And then as to Persons farther advanced in years , there are several Instances both in Plautus and Terence , of Behaviour not exceptionable . But our Stage has refined upon the old Model : Their Characters must be all Libertines , their Diversion Smut , and their Lectures , Swearing and Profaneness . Their Business is not to teach Morality , but Lewdness , not to confer Grace , but to Debauch Nature , not to mend Principles , but to destroy them . Indeed , how can the Consequence of such Entertainments be otherwise ? where the Persons are all Libertines , where they run such lengths of excess , and balk nothing that makes a Jest. Where Profaneness is sometimes season'd with Wit , and Lewdness polish'd with turns of Fancy . Where the Infection is made Palatable , the Mischief fortified , and their Weapons Pointed , to pass the better through a Man's Body . Now , who would learn Civil Prudence and Management from such Instructions as these ? where a Man will be in danger to bring away much more Vice than Discretion . Is it worth one's while to get Caution with the loss of Conscience ? Or , Have his Pocket Pick'd only for the sake of Wit and Dexterity ? Who would choose Bedlam for his Seat of Diversion : Or , see Posture Clark do his Tricks , and Act his Metamorphoses , with the Plague about him ? 'T is true , the Surveyor is contented , that not only a Gentleman of Wit , but of Honour too , should be introduced into Comedy ; but then he guards again in limitation , for he must be a Man of wild unreclaim'd Honour : A Man of Wild Honour ! Truly , I think , no Man's Honour can be Wilder then his Notion : Honour without Probity is next to a Contradiction in Terms , and besides , 't is good for very little . For , to speak plainly , 't is nothing more than Pride and Fashion , and Civility to a Man's self . I don't say but Persons of Figure may be sometimes out of Order in Comedy , and he misreports me in affirming the contrary * : But then this should not be done without Restrictions , and Guard of Behaviour . * And besides they should be disciplin'd accordingly . When Dramatick Gentlemen of Sence are Knaves , or Debauchees , the Poet should take care to make them Losers by their Liberty : They should mortifie them for their Misbehaviour , treat them with Disappointment , and put them out of Countenance . And here the Misfortune ought to rise in proportion to the Quality , for fear the Figure should otherwise recommend the Lewdness . And to do the Surveyor right , he is himself sensible of the necessity of this Conduct , at least in some measure . For he grants by implication , that the Poet is obliged to bring his Libertine to a sence of his Extravagance , and a resolution of Amendment . But that even this is not done appears sufficiently in my View , and may be made good much farther from the Plays cited in the Preface of my Defence . But before I pass on , I am oblig'd to take notice of his saying , that Fools of what Quality soever , are the proper Goods and Chattels of the Stage , which the Poets may dispose of as they think fit . By his favour , to make Weakness of Understanding the Subject of Comick Mirth , has neither Religion nor good Nature in 't : To expose a Man for being born without Sence , is a Satyr upon the Creation ; 't is just as reasonable as it would be to beat a Dwarf for being under S●x Foot high . Thus to make sport with the Misfortunes of Nature , and insult unavoidable Infirmities , is down-right Barbarity . Beside , such sort of Ridicule can cure no Distemper , nor Recover any Body ; Not the Patient , for he is uncapable of Remedy ; And as for other People , they are out of danger of the Disease , and therefore need no Preservative . To proceed : The Surveyor finding the Arguments of the View somewhat troublesome , would gladly throw them off upon the score of Declamation : As if they were only a few noisy glittering Sentences , put together to no purpose . Now , tho I am no Pretender to the Talent of Haranguing , yet suppose the Allegation was true , 't would do him no service . For Oratory is by no means inconsistent with Logick . No , Perspicuity of Proof , is , as as Longinus observes , one part of the Sublime . Indeed Rhetorick is nothing but Reason well dress'd , and Arguments put into Order . To affirm , That Sence won't agree with proper and moving Expressions , is a strange Conclusion . 'T is as much as to say , that a good Suit of Cloaths is a very naughty thing : For let it sit never so easie , yet if it happens to look handsomly , 't will be sure to weaken a Man's Body , and take away the use of his Limbs . But I must follow him . Ben Iohnson , I took notice , never scrupled to confess , that 't was the Office of a Comick Poet to imitate Justice , and instruct to Life . And Mr. Dryden at last came up to the same Opinion . This Rule the Surveyor was sensible agreed very ill with the English Stage . And thus finding himself streighten'd moves for new Liberty , and tho he stands by himself , had much rather bend the Rule , then reform the Practise . If you 'l believe him , this sort of Discipline is impracticable : For the Licentiousness of Men of Fortune , unless it be such as brings their Vnderstandings into question , must never be censur'd or exposed in Comedy . That is , if a Libertine ben't a Fool , he may be as Lewd and Profane as he pleases , and yet have fair Quarter , and make a good Hand on 't . Yes ; for , as the Surveyor continues , how immoral and offensive this Misbehaviour may be to sober People , the Man must escape the Censure of Comedy , because he can't be tried in her way . That 's hard ! Why , then , if she must make Malefactors , and won't punish them , let her Court be put down . If Sence is a Protection to Debauchery , and the most offensive Immoralities must not be touched ; If Vice must appear only for Favour and Forage , for Parade and Diversion ; If all this Liberty is presumed on by the the Laws of Comedy , and the Privilege of the Poem ? Then , I say , the very Definition condemns it . 'T is a Nusance in its Nature , and Poyson in its Constitution . I urged there was no arguing from some Instances of Favour to Vitious Young People in Plautus and Terence ; That the Consequence would not hold from Rome to London , because those Pagan Poets had a greater Compass of Liberty in their Religion . To this his Answer , to make it short , is , that these Poets , especially Terence , were too great Masters of their own Art to take an improper Liberty , only because 't was not dangerous . Who told him , it was an improper Liberty ? The Measures of Practice are form'd upon Rules of Notion , and Schemes of Belief : Now the Directions for Life and Manners , are strangely different in the Divisions of Heathenism and Christianity ; And therefore those Liberties might be proper enough in the first , which are intolerable in the latter . But this Objection will be rallied afterwards , and therefore I shall now pursue it no farther . But the Surveyor has a small Reserve : The Laws of Rome , says he , were very severe , and required Regularity of Life ; The Magistrates likewise , and Censors of Manners , would never have suffer'd Examples of such ill Consequence to have been produced openly . From whence he would have it follow , that if Plautus and Terence had suspected the Indulgences above-mention'd , had tended any ways to the Debauching of their Youth , they durst not have ventur'd them into publick View . To this I answer in a Word ; That the Roman Magistrates notwithstanding the severity of their Government , suffered the Excesses of the Pantomines , and therefore might well allow of much lesser degrees of Liberty in their Comick Poets : I say , they suffered the Pantomimes , against whom the Surveyor Declaims so heartily , and charges so very high with Scandal and Brutality . And if these gross Entertainments would go down , why should they take check at the more inoffensive sallies of Gallantry ? As the Case stood , t is no wonder if a lucky Libertine should sometimes pass Muster . But Plautus and Terence Coppied faithfully from Nature and depicted Humane Life in its true and just proportion : Let them depict what they please , they did not Study the worst Likeness ; tho their Pencil was sometimes bold , they shaded many Blemishes , and aimed at the fairest Resemblance . The Surveyor rises in his Resolution ; and and sticks not to affirm , that if the Images , answer Life , the foulness of them can never be a Fault . So far from that , the Crime lies quite on the other Side . For to be displeas'd with a true Representation tho' never so hideous , is no better than to quarrel with Providence whose Creature Mankind is ; Say you so , does providence make Monsters in Vice , as well as in Figure ? Can't a scandalous Play be disliked without arraigning of Providence ? I thought Wickedness had not been the Work of Creation , but Misbehaviour ; And that God had made the Man , but not the Sinner . What wretched shifts these Men are put to , to make Lewdness passable ! However , the Surveyor is resolved not to quit his Hold : He will have it that when Nature is not wrong'd these Liberties of making Vice successful , and what you please besides , are an unalienable Right : It seems they are entayl'd upon the Poets , and descend by course of Law , from the Roman to the English Stage : Yes , say's the Surveyor they have a Right to all the Priviledges of their Predecessors . That is a Christian has a clear Title to imitate all the wickedness his Heathen Predecessors have practised before him . In the course of the Argument , I prefer'd the precepts of Horace , to the Example of Plautus and Terence , and cited him for the contrary opinion . How can that be replies the Surveyor , since Horace draws Youth with the same Features and Complexion that those Comick Poets had done before ? And in proof of his Assertion , he produces the Picture . Cereus in Vitium flecti Monitoribus asper , &c. This Description , continues he , is not a bare Character , of the Humours of young People , but a Rule to draw them by . I agree with him : But then , as they have a Byass to the Character , they ought to have the Consequences too : The Poet should make them smart for the Prodigality of their Humour , for their Ungovernable Heats , and the Folly of their Appetites . And that this was Horace's Opinion appears from the rest of his Advice * . But the Surveyor can't find the Obscenities of Plautus condemn'd by Horace ; And yet he is lucky enough to cite the place , so that it might have been his own Discovery as well as mine . At nostri proavi Plautinos & numeros , & Landavere sales ; nimium patienter utrumque , ( Nedicam stulte ) mirati * si modo ego , & vos Scimus Inurbanum , † * lepido seponere dicto , Legitimumque sonum digitis callemus , & arte . Here the Surveyor was pretty near Horace's meaning , for he grants Plautus's Raillery was Censur'd because his Iests were Clownish : And why were they Clownish ? Because they were too often foul , and smutty ; They were carried too far , and push'd to Indecency . * And that Horace was not for this Broad Liberty , appears farther from his Disswasive : Aut immunda crepent , ignominiosaque dicta , Offenduntur enim , quibus est Equus , & pater , & res . But these Verses belong to the Satyrae , and therefore 't is Legerdemain to apply them to the Drama . Not at all : 'T is plain , Horace condemns Obscenity , and that the Roman Gentry had no Relish for Smutty Entertainments . And if they would not allow it in their Rustick Satyrae , where there was some pretence of Character to cover it ; 'T would have gone down much worse , in the more Polite Diversions of Comedy . I gave a short Character from Horace of the serviceableness of the Antient Poets , to Government and Private Life , and that by Consequence they aim'd more at Improvement then Pleasure . This , the Surveyor answers , was but a Compliment to Poetry in general , and that Comedy was not invented in the time of Orpheus . Granting all that ; If the Compliment was to Poetry in general , one would think it should reach to all the parts of it . And tho Orpheus might live before Comedy , Horace was long enough after it . And this is he who informs us , that the Usefulness of the Antient Poets , and the Sobriety of their Conduct , gain'd them their Reputation . Sic honor & nomen , divinis vatibus , atque Carminibus venit . As much as to say , that the Reward was fasten'd to the Merit : And that if later Poets would purchase their Fame , they must follow their Pattern . From the Directions of Horace to the Chorus , I infer'd , that this Poet would allow no Countenance or good Fortune to an immoral Character . And foreseeing it might be replied , that Tragedy was only concern'd , I endeavour'd to remove the Objection . To this the Surveyor opposes the Authority of Horace , as if the Chorus was put down with Old Comedy . For , Lex est accepta Chorusque Tupiter obticuit sublata jure nocendi . The Case was thus ; The Old Comedy in the Chorus had taken too much Liberty with the Government , and outrag'd Persons of Condition by Name . Upon this Alcibiades had Eupolis thrown over-board for his Baptae , and got a Bill passed , That the Stage should at their Peril name no Body in their Satyr . This is the Law which Horace refers to ; And therefore his Testimony proves no more , than that the Liberty of the Chorus was silenc'd , which Restraint was consistent enough with the Use of it . And to prove the Chorus did not expire with Old Comedy , I produced for Evidence Aristophanes's , Plutus . But against this Instance the Surveyor starts two objections , for he 'l neither admit the Plutus for New Comedy ; nor so much as allow it as Chorus . I must try if I can perswade him out of his Rigour . In the First place then , why must not the Plutus pass for New Comedy ? T is plainly not Old Comedy . Right , the Surveyor grants as much ; The deviations , says he , in it from the former practice , make it lead up the Van of the Middle Comedy . Now the difference between Middle and New Comedy seem'd so insignificant to the learn'd Turnebus , that he branches the Greek Comedy into no more than two Divisions , Old and New. To which I may add , that the Scholiast upon Aristophanes calls the Plutus , a sort of New Comedy . Devit . & Script . Aristoph . Ed. Amstel . His next objection is that the Plutus has no true Chorus : * Just now it had none at all : But I find he flags in his Prosecution . But why is it no true Chorus ? Aristophanes who wrote the Play , I suppose liked it well enough , and calls it a Chorus ; and t is somewhat hard his word cannot be taken ; If he did not make it as he should do , he must answer for it not I. Dacier likewise affirms the Chorus was continued in the Middle Comedy . Nay the Surveyor's Scaliger confesses the Chorus was taken out ; and if so , one would think t was in before . But the Chorus seems to be in a Condition to defend it self , and to have all reasonable Requisites , and Capacities ; For it consists of a Plurality of Persons , Acts in the Dialogue , and offers to sing in the Parabases . But after all , the Surveyor won't allow it to be a legitimate Chorus : No! Not when Aristophanes was the Father on 't , and owns the Issue ! Well , I can't produce the Mother , and therefore if one Side of the Genealogy won't satisfie , I must leave him . But I 'm to blame for talking of these matters , for it seems I read no more of the Plutus than the List of the Persons of the Drama ; why then , I had a notable guess with me , for I have abstracted the Dialogue for some Pages together , as the Reader may perceive if he pleases : I think a little more Modesty would do this Author no harm . My Inference from Aristotle ( as oblique as it is ) for the Continuance of the Chorus , I shall venture with his Exceptions , only observing that where he says the Magistrates giving the Chorus , means nothing but paying the Actors : He should have said the Actors in the Chorus ; for so Aristotle is interpreted by Petitus and Goulston . And whereas he affirms 't is certain , Menander had no Chorus ; He should have given us something better than his bare Word for 't , considering Menander is lost , and there 's no appealing to the Author . If he argues , that Menander had no Chorus because his Imitator Terence has none , the Consequence is not good . For tho a Chorus is not to be found in the Remains of Plautus and Terence , yet Dacier is positive , that the Romans made use of it in Comedy , and mentions the Fabulae Attellanae for an Instance . He can't deny but that Moliere has reviv'd the Chorus in Comedy : But then he pretends the Poet was in his second Infancy , and us'd this Expedient only as Crutches to support the Infirmity of his Age. But this Exception goes upon a Mistake , both in the Reason , and the History . First , Moliere was no such Decrepit Person , for he Acted in his Malade Imaginaire not many Hours before his Death : And , as I remember , the Writer of his Life reports him not to have outlived his Four and fiftieth year . And then , Secondly , That the Chorus is no sign of a languid , declining Muse is clear from Quintilian , who prefers the Spirit , Vigour , and Elocution of the Old Comedy to that of the New. Now , the Chorus the Surveyor grants had always a part in the Old Comedy . He would gladly know to what end I would have a Chorus in the English Comedy : To this I can only answer , That I am surpriz'd at his Question , having given him no manner of occasion for 't . He goes on in his Defence of the Modern Comedy , and alledges , that the success of Libertines is not given to the Licentiousness , but to the Wit and Sence , &c. which are predominant in the Character . To this I answer , First , That to make Lewdness Fortunate and Fashionable , is a dangerous Representation : For it takes off the Restraints of Shame , gives a Varnish to the Vice , and heightens the Temptation . Secondly , Treating loose Characters with Sence and Respect , provokes to Imitation , and makes the Infection catching . Many People are more inclinable to talk Wittily , than to act Wisely . Now the Wit is generally not to be come at without the Libertinism ; for the Matter is so contriv'd , that the Sugar and the Ratsbane must go together . The Wit , I say , lies generally in Luscious Indecencies , and Outrages of Virtue and Religion : 'T is brisk only because 't is bold , and rather spits than sparkles : Its Spirits are but Lees a little alembick'd , and like some Wood it shines only in its Rotteness . Thirdly , As to his Forgers and Pick-pockets he talks of , his Conveyance , I take it , is not very clean . If he must make use of these Gentlemen , let his Pickpocket be seated on the Bench , let him appear with Figure and Equipage , swagger in the Court , ridicule the Judges , and banter the Laws ; and always have a Pack'd Jury to bring him Honourably off . Let but this be done , and then we need not question but the Mystery of Cutting a Purse would soon drop its ill Character , improve into a Creditable Profession ; and it may be , as much Studied as Coke upon Littleton . I urged in the View , &c. That Horace having expresly mention'd the Progress of Comedy , advised the Poet to form his Work upon the Precepts of Socrates and Plato , and the Models of Moral Philosophy ; and from hence I infer'd , that by Horace's Rule the Poet was oblig'd to Sobriety of Conduct , &c. To this the Surveyor replies , That the List of Qualifications mention'd by Horace , seem prepar'd only for Tragick and Epick Poetry . His Reason is , because the Business seems too publick , and too much rais'd for Comedy . But under favour , there 's no need of Buskins : For the Description descends to private Affairs , to the Regards of Blood , and the Laws of Friendship : Now these Duties , in the Judgment of Quintilian , were taught no where better than in the Comedies of Menander ; where all the Offices of Life were run through , and every Relation adjusted . To this I may add the Authority of the Learn'd Dacier , who understands these Instructions of Horace , to relate to Comedy . ( Tom. 10. p. 57. ) The Surveyor makes another little stand , and fences with the Distinction between Moral , and Poetical Manners ; affirming , that Horace is to be understood of Manners only in the latter Sence . But by this Gentleman's favour , 't is pretty plain , that Horace must mean both ; To what purpose else should he recommend the Rules , and Writings of Plato , and Socrates ? These great Men gave no Instructions about Poetry , unless to stand clear on 't ; Nor treated Manners in any other signification than that of Philosophy . The Surveyor , who is extreamly eager to find Faults , and apt to make them , charges my Account of Poetical Manners as deficient . It may be so : However , 't was sufficient for Purpose and Occasion . And besides , this place gave him notice of another , where there is a Description much as full , tho not so tedious as his own . I complain'd , as I had great reason , That the Stage made Women , single Women , and Women of Quality talk Smuttily : Here the Surveyor cries , I run upon the wrong Scent , argue too fast from the Premisses , and because Modesty is the Character of Women , misinfer , that no Woman must be shewn without it . Yes , I stand by the Conclusion , That no Woman ought to be shewn without Modesty , unless she appears for Censure and Infamy , or , as Mr. Rymer speaks , to be kick'd in Comedy . And even then , there ought to be a Regard to the Audience ; and tho the Character is foul , the Language should be clean . But to bring single Women , and Quality fo that Sex , under these Disorders , is still more unaccountable . 'T is a direct crossing upon Nature and Custom , and a breach of Manners , both Ceremonious and Poetick . For , do Virgins and Bawds . Discourse in the same Dialect ? Is there no difference between Ladies and little Prostitutes ? Or , Is Rampancy and Lewdness the Character of Breeding ? If not , why is Nature thus disguis'd , and Quality mismark'd , and all to the Disadvantage of Sobriety ? But the Surveyor objects , That tho Courage is the Characteristick of the other Sex , yet 't is neither Solecism nor general Affront , to represent a Man a Coward . To this I answer , First , That Courage is not reckon'd a Quality so essential to a Man , as Modesty to a Woman ; The Expectation of it is not so general , nor the Failure so monstrous ; and therefore his Instance is not parallel . Secondly , There are some Circumstances and Conditions of Life , which tie this Qualification faster , and as it were incorporate it to the Sex ▪ and that is Breeding , Quality , &c. And to argue upon his own similitude ; Tho to represent Men sometimes as Cowards , may be no Solecism , yet to represent Hercules or Hector , such , would be great Impropriety . Now , Decency of Language is as much the Character of Gentlewomen , as Bravery is of Heroes ; so that to give a Lady the nauseous Liberties of a Procuress , degrades her in her Quality , and is both affronting and improper . Thirdly , This Practice , as I have prov'd it , being frequent , and without Censure upon our Stage , is still more unpardonable . Fourthly , I observ'd , that this Freedom was a Breach of good Behaviour to the Audience , of which he is pleas'd not to take any notice . The Surveyor urges farther , That the Vices of particular Women , are no Affront to the Sex in general ; But this Excuse , were it true , without Limitation , would not serve his Turn . For I have prov'd , That the English Stage have given the Women a Coarse Character in general , and play'd their Satyr upon the whole Sex. But before I proceed , I must not forget how the Surveyor takes occasion to tell us , That in Plays the Characters are neither Vniversal nor general : His first Reason is , because Marks so comprehensive are the Impressions and Signatures of Nature , which are not to be corrected or improv'd by us . Now one would have thought the Characters would have been the better for answering the truest proportion ; and coming up to the Standard . This appears to have been Horace's Opinion , who recommends it as a Rule to his Stage Poet. Respicere exemplar vitae morumque jubebo Doctum imitatorem , & ver as hinc ducere voces . That is , as Dacier interprets him , Nature is the right Plan for Life and Manners . And therefore a good Poet , who has a mind to bring a Covetous , or Ambitious Person upon the Stage , will choose to form the Image more upon Idea , than Example ; and Paint him rather from general Notion , than particular Life , Et ver as hinc ducere voces . For this is consulting the Original , and the way to give Truth , and Strength to the Resemblance . Whereas to draw from Particulars in the World , is , as Plato speaks , no more than a Second-Hand Likeness , and but Copying at the best . In Individuals a Quality is often cramp'd and disguis'd by other Passions , and does not strike out to its full extent : But an Idea considers the progress of Inclination , makes way for Fancy and Freedom , and gives a Character its just Compass and Distinction . And therefore those Images which are fit for Sight , should be taken from thence . The Surveyor objects in the next place , That such comprehensive Marks give us no Idea of the Person Characteriz'd , but what is common to the rest of the Species , and don't sufficiently distinguish him . But the reason of this Objection stands upon nice Ground , and will be apt to run off into unwarrantable Practice : To keep the Character within the Crowd , is the most inoffensive Method . Indeed the Distinction ought not to turn upon Persons , but Things , The Quality should be mark'd , but not the Man ; and the Vice expos'd , without pointing at the Vitious . For to descend to Particulars , and fall to Characterizing , is no better than Libel , and Personal Abuse . In short , the Poet should endeavour to abstract the Fault from the Subject , to hover in Generals , and fly at the whole Covey : For if he once comes to single out his Quarry , he discovers himself a Bird of Prey . His saying the Impresses , and Signatures of Nature , are not to be corrected or improv'd , and therefore not to be meddled with , is a great mistake . For if these Impresses and Signatures , are any better than Iargon , he must mean the good and bad Qualities incident to Humane Nature . Now take them either way , and his Proposition is not true . For , First , People's Miscarriages are by no means inevitable . The Blemishes in Conduct , and Character , are the Consequences of Choice . The Faults of Nature in this sence , are none of her Necessities , and therefore very capable of Correction . And then , as for the Virtues , and noble Qualities , if they are sometimes heighten'd above Practice , where is the harm on●t ? Example does not reach up to the utmost extent of Power . And therefore if Nature was shewn to the best Advantage , and stretch'd to the length of her Capacity , the Pattern might be serviceable , and awaken to Industry , and Imitation . We are now coming to the Parallel of the Expressions , and here the Surveyor gives in a Collection of Smut and Prophaneness , in which he pretends the Poets of Greece and Rome , are more Licentious than ours . He acquaints us besides , according to his Customary Flourishes , that he has some hundreds of Instances in Reserve . And yet after all , he desires the Reader to take notice , that he does not charge these Passages as Faults , or Immoralities upon the Antients , &c. How careful he is not to fall foul on Debauchery ? He seems afraid left the Reader should mistake him for a Person that lay under some faint Prepossessions of Modesty . Yes : The Pedantry of Virtue , and the Pretences to Religion , are uncreditable Qualities , and a Man must clear his Reputation of them as well as he can ! He charges the Licentiousness of the Antients with Immorality ! By no means ! That would be soure and Cynical indeed ! He understands himself better than to range Smut , and Profaneness , under Immorality ! Such a Censure would recoyl upon himself . If these Practices are Faults , then his whole Book is little better than a Defence of Lewdness , and a Plea for Irreligion . The truth of this Imputation , tho a severe one , is very evident : For having brought several gross Instances of Indecency out of Plautus he justifies the Imitation of them ; And roundly affirms , That since Antient , and Modern Poets , ought to be govern'd by the same Laws , 't is but reason , that one as well as 'tother , should be allow'd the benefit of them : That is , the benefit of Smut and Lewdness . Thus the English Dramatists are brought off without the least Blemish or Blot in their Scutcheon . But here 's more Comfort for them behind : For he is pleas'd to affirm , That if the Passages of the Antient Poets were compar'd with those produced by me out of the Moderns , the comparative Rudeness , and Profaneness of the latter would vanish . And yet he takes particular care to inform the Reader , That he does not charge the Antients with any Faults , or Immoralities upon this score : Adding withall , That the Moderns ought to have the Benefit of the same Liberty . From whence 't is plain to a Demonstration , That this Author has given the Stage a greater Latitude , and prompted them to an Improvement in Distraction . They may , it seems , lard their Plays thicker with Obscenities , discharge their Oaths faster , and double their Blasphemies . Well! I perceive Wickedness would have a glorious time on 't under this Surveyor ! But is he sure after all , that the Antient and Modern Poets , as Poets , are to be govern'd by the same Laws . Is there no difference between the Doctrines of Heathenism and Christianity ? Are the Objects of Worship the same in both ? And are Knowledge and Ignorance to be treated with the same Allowance ? I thought the Modern Poets , as well as other People , had been under the Jurisdiction of God Almighty , and tied up to the Laws of the Gospel . But it seems the Stage is all Franchises , and Privileg'd Ground : The Muses have a particular Exemption , and the Christian is dispenc'd with by the Poet. This is the Surveyor's Reasoning . However , to give him his due , he has formerly been not altogether of this Opinion . For elsewhere he tells us , That the main business of a Chorus is cut off by our Religion , which is the reason we have no Hymns nor Anthems sung upon the Stage , but make use of Smutty Songs in stead of them . I find then by his own Confession , that the change of Religion has some Influence upon the Stage : This was his former Judgment , but he improves by Writing , and his last Will must stand . The Surveyor in his Parallel , blackens the Antients most unmercifully , and swells their Charge beyond all Truth and Proportion . This is done to make the Moderns look the more tolerable , and keep them the better in Countenance . But a little Pains will serve to wipe off most of the Spots , and restore them to their Complexion . And here I can't help observing , That let the Antients be as faulty as may be , the Surveyor should by no means pretend to discover it : For he has already fully acquitted the Greek and Roman Dramatists of all Imputations of Indecency , and roundly pronounced , That tho the Mimi were scandalously Lewd , the Drama was not at all . But to return : Before he draws out upon the Old Poets , he endeavours to defend his Ophelia . And here he tells us a long Story , how warrantable her Love was , how artfully manur'd , and strongly forc'd up ; And by his Description , one would think he was raising a Muskmelon . But then , as ill Luck , and the Poet would have it , her Humble Servant Hamlet killing her Father by mistake , and counterfeiting Madness , ruined all . This Misfortune must needs make horrible Convulsions in a Mind so tender , and , as the Surveyor Compliments the Ladies , in a Sex so weak . Well : Her Father was kill'd , &c. But , what then ? Must she needs Lament in Smut , and pay her Respects in Distraction ? Are Luscious Expressions the Natural Effect of Deep Sorrow , and can't she appear Tender , without being Rotten ? However , to do the Surveyor right , he has produced the Exceptionable Lines , for 't was the Song which I complain'd of . And this , if you 'l believe him , is so innocent , that there 's no fear of offending the Modesty of the most Chast Ear. I 'm sorry he seems to have lost the very Notion of Deceny . He 's more to blame for transcribing , then Ophelia was for Singing this Ditty , because he wants her Madness for his Excuse . Now 't is but an untoward Business , when a Man is the worse for being in his Wits . But now the Surveyor is come to his Dissection of the Old Poets : And here his Reading upon the Body is admirable ; and to magnifie his Skill , he spies out more Diseases then e're the Patient died of . He often arraigns an Innocent Expression , and when 't is not so , his Paraphrase is much grosser than the Text. For 't is generally his way when he lights upon a sore place , to make it much worse for the Dressing . However , he seems to have gotten a very agreeable Subject : For his Ink flows amain , and his Invention grows very copious : He seems to Swim at his Ease , and his Fancy plays down the Stream , and tumbles in the Mud , with great Satisfaction . He begins with Sophocles's Antigone : This Lady he pretends makes some Intemperate Discoveries , and does not keep up to the Decencies of Sex , and Condition . To understand something of the Fable , this Antigone was by King Creon her Uncle , sentenc'd to be shut up in a Cave , and starv'd to death , only for burying her Brother Polynices contrary to the King's Order : She was likewise contracted to his Son Haemon . Now , tho she had stood firm against the Menaces of Creon , and shewn her self Brave and good Natur'd to an extraordinary pitch ; yet when she comes to be led to Execution , her Fortitude gives way a little to the Tenderness of her Sex ; she breaks out into some natural Starts of Concern , and according to the Custom of that Age , and the Eastern Countreys , * laments her dying young and single . But she makes a shift to govern her Language , and keeps her Passion from boiling over . I shall transcribe his most serviceable Line , in which she Complains of the Disappointment of her Fortune , and that she must go off . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That is , that she must die single , and be cross'd in her Love with Haemon : Upon whom , tho the Surveyor overlook'd it , 't is plain she had settled her Affection . For when Creon threatned to break the Contract , she discovers her Regards to Haemon in a very intelligible , tho decent Expression . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . His next Instance is Electra , who goes a little upon the Complaint of Antigone . — 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 This Lady , we must understand , had seen her Father Murther'd , by her Mother and Aegisthus ; She was likewise ill treated in the Family , and had no Body to take care of her Interest , and make good the Expectations of her Birth : She had none but her Brother Orestes to depend on , and his long absence made her afraid she was forgotten . In short , she was impatient for his return , and seems rather to wish for Protection and Revenge , than a Settlement . And were it otherwise , the Expression is perfectly inoffensive . And thus Sophocles stands disengaged without difficulty ; And had the English Stage been thus reserv'd , they had sav'd me the trouble of a whole Chapter . As for Aeschylus the Surveyor does not so much as offer at him ; so that there 's Two of the Three Greek Tragedians secur'd . But Euripides is now set to the Bar , and terribly handled for giving this Line to Polyxena when she was going to be sacrificed . — 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . That is , she was going to die unmarried , and without being dispos'd of according to the Privilege of her Condition . This Complaint is in the Surveyor's Aggravation very unreasonable . He grows very Tragical upon the occasion , taxes the Princess with Incontinence , meanness of Spirit , and an inte●●●rate desire of engaging with the Conquerour of her Country , tho at the disadvantage of being his Slave . But this Lady is wrong'd by the Surveyor , the Case is misreported , and , as it sometimes happens , the Indictment is set forth with a great deal more noise than Law. Let the Lady speak for her self . Now in this very Scene , she laments the Misfortunes of her Family ; and lets us understand , that her Birth gave her just Pretences to be dispos'd of to a Monarch : But now the Ruine of her Country had chang'd the Prospect , and made Marriage her Aversion : She could now expect nothing but that some little Slave should be forc'd upon her . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . And therefore she goes boldly to the Altar , congratulates her Murther , and is pleas'd with the Rescue of Death : She is glad not to survive her Greatness any longer ; and says , Life is over-purchas'd upon the Terms of Ignominy . In a word , she is so far from deserving the Surveyor's Censure , that when she comes to the Block , she makes Decency her last Care , and expires in the Character of her Condition . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . The Surveyor is now for persecuting her Sister Cassandra , and one would almost think , that he had , like Iuno , a spite to the whole Family . This Lady he blames for being too forward in discovering her Satisfaction at the News of her Match with Agamemnon ; but , First , Here is not so much as the least Exceptionable Expression ; but the Language is inoffensive to the most exact Niceness : And therefore he has blackn'd the Page with Greek to no purpose . Secondly , Cassandra's forwardness to comply proceeded purely from her Revenge . Being in a Prophetick Fit , she foresaw this Match would prove fatal to Agamemnon and his whole Family . And tho she knew her self was shortly to be Murther'd , yet the prospect of revenging her Country , and destroying her greatest Enemies , made her run into Transport , and desire her Mother to Congratulate her Happiness . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . And after having enlarg'd upon the Misfortunes of the Greeks , and shewn how gloriously the Trojans died in the Defence of their Country , she perswades Hecuba not to afflict her self ; for now , says she , I am going to make the General a full Return , and to finish his Ruine . — 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . But Cassandra , in the Surveyor's Opinion , should not have been so forward to rush upon her own Dishonour . To clear this , we must understand , that Cassandra was under extraordinary Circumstances : she was possess'd both by Apollo , and a very Governing Passion besides : Now 't is no wonder if the Transports of Prophecy and Revenge , should make her a little overlook other Considerations . But this Reason apart , it does not appear that Cassandra was forc'd upon any Dishonourable Engagement ; For the Favour of a Prince was not , as Talthybius tells her Mother , unreputable at that time of day . Polygamy was then the Practice of several Countreys , and particularly the Custom of her own , as appears from the Discourse between Hermione , and Andromache * . As for old Hecuba , I confess Euripedes has given her a Luscious Expression to make her Interest with Agamemnon . But then it does not come up to the pitch of Scandal of many Passages of the English Stage : 'T is meer Bashfulness to some of their Songs , and Courtship : And thus out of Nineteen Plays in Euripides , the Surveyor has made a shift to furnish one passage out of Order . But instead of producing One out of Nineteen , I could return him Nineteen out of One , from th● Moderns , were it convenient . But as the Surveyor reports the Case , Euripides has somewhat farther to answer for . ●Tis true his Tenderness is such that he refuses to give in particulars ; but the Reader is referred in general to the exceptionable Plays . Well : Dolus latet in Generalibus is a true saying . The Surveyor has hid himself in a Folio , and now is safe enough : He loves like Caeus to make a Smother in his Cave , to conceal his foul Play. Indeed I think the Smoke is his best Defence , and the finding him out the hardest part of the Enterprize . To come up with him . His Instance in Hermione and Andromache , is altogether short . They chide , 't is true , a little too warmly for their Quality , if we Breed them by our own Times ; but nothing foul or disorderly passes between them : And as for Creusa , his quarrel with her is nothing but ill-will : For she does not in the least run her self a ground in her Story , but relates her Misfortune with great reservedness . Neither does her Son Ion put any uncivil Question to her . His Modesty is very defensible , if not his Manners : Tho' even in this latter respect the young People upon the Stage are now more free with their Parents than this comes to . And lastly , Electra is innocent of the Accusation he brings against her . 'T is true , she encourages Orestes to kill his Mother , but then she stands clear of Indecency , and says nothing in that respect , misbecoming her Character : So far from that , that she won't so much as mention the Debaucheries of Aegystus ; no not when she was recounting his other Villanies , and triumphing in his being Dispatch'd . She runs over his guilt in Murther and Injustice , but when she came to his Lewdness , she cuts off her Story , and declares it , no fit Subject for a single Lady . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . The Greeks being now dismiss'd , Seneca comes on for another Hearing . And Phaedra in Hippolitus is pitch'd upon for a Character of Misbehaviour : But the Surveyor knows I excepted against her Management my self ; And censured the freedom of her Discovery , only with this abatement , that her Language was under Discipline : And that the latter part of my assertion was no less true than the former , will easily be understood by any one that reads the Poet in himself , and not in the Surveyor's Paraphrase . But it seems the Nurse runs over in her Expression , and does not suit her Language to her Advice ; And here the force of the Charge lies all in one Word , ( for the rest is only for show ; ) In an answer to which , we may observe that Words don't always keep close to their first Signification ; but grow sometimes the worse for the wearing : And that the Old Romans had an Idea different from the Surveyor's , in the Expression under debate , appears sufficiently from St. Hieroms Epistles , who uses it without scruple . I observ'd that we had no Courting in Seneca , except in the Hercules Furens , where the Tyrant Lycus addresses Megara very briefly , and in modest remote Language . This the Surveyor does not deny ; but then he pretends to give an Instance of Ly●us's Misbehaviour to Amphitrio , I shall transcribe his Quotation for the Reader . Iovi dedisti conjugem regi dabis . Et te Magistro non novum hoc discet Nurus , Etiam viro probante meliorem sequi ; Sin copulari pertinax taedis negat , Vel ex coact a nobilem partum feram . Now am I at a loss to what purpose these fine Verses were cited . It must be for the Learning in the Language . Yes : He may possibly , like some Patients , fancy the Physick Works much the better , for the Latin in the Bill . But he goes on with wonderful Courage , as if he was resolv'd to swagger the Reader out of some part of his Sences : If these Allowances , says he , may be made , ( meaning for the last Citation ) I 'le engage to prove , there never was an immodest thing said upon the English Stage . Certainly this Author has a Tast peculiar to himself ! One would think he should be better Read in Smut , by his Talent in Writing it . I 'm afraid this Ignorance is all affected : And that he has gotten the trick of shrinking up his Understanding , as they say some Beggars do their Arms upon occasion . He tells me , I forgot the shameful solicitations which Phraedra us'd to corrupt Hippolytus . He knows I took notice of Phraedra's Irregular Freedoms , but then , tho her Solicitations are shameful , they are not Smutty . He would perswade the Reader , that Seneca's Agamemnon is stock'd with Curiosities of this kind . And yet there is but one Line which looks the least that way : and that is Clytemnestra's Reproach to Aegystus , in which she tells him , That his Lewdness was the only Proof of his Manhood . Quem venere tantum scimus illicita virum . Now this Rebuke is so comparatively Civil , that were it in some of our Plays , the Modesty of it would almost put it out of Countenance , and kill the Expression . The Surveyor has hitherto found but small Returns from his Enquiry . He has rang'd over a great deal of Ground , and Quarter'd the Fields of Greece and Italy . But all this Questing has sprung but very little Game . However , he seems extreamly busie , and by his motion would make you believe every Butterfly was worth the setting . Whoever , says he , consults the Passages amiss in Sophocles or Euripides , or Censures with the Allowances made to Seneca , will find the most exceptionable Passages in our Poets , whether Comick or Tragick , very excusable upon a fair Construction . The Moderns compar'd with the Greek Tragedians and Seneca , in Point of Decency , and Sobriety of Language ! He may almost as well compare Aristophanes with Terenco , and the Sixth Aeneid of Virgil , with the Sixth Satyr of Iuvenal . The Moderns ! who not only glance , but dwell upon an ill Subject , bandy it between the two Sexes , and keep it up to shew their Skill in the Exercise . Yes : They love to flourish upon Lewdness , to refresh it with Repetition ; and beat it out into Length and Circumstances . Sometimes to distinguish a foul Thought , they deliver it in Scripture Phrase , and set it in Gold to make it sparkle the better . In short , they omit nothing to explain the Mystery , and cultivate the Interest of Debauchery : Nothing that may fortifie the Poison , and make it more Poinant and Palatable . To lay their Disorders before the Reader , were the Sight proper , would swell into a Book , and be a tedious Undertaking . 'T would be Infamy of Bulk , and Voluminous Distraction ; not to be scan'd by the Line , but weigh'd by the Pound . Such Plays are much more fit for the Solemnities of Flora and Ceres , than the Entertainments of those who are Baptiz'd . 'T is almost pity they han't a set of Pantomimes to do justice to the Subject , and Dance up to the Spirit of the Dialogue . The Surveyor pleads for a Distinction between the private Sentiments of the Man , and the publick ones of the Poet , and that the Liberties of a Character ought not to be laid to the Charge of the Dramatists that represents them . This Author must think this pleasure , but Quintilian was of another mind ; who lets us know , that Afranius , a Vitious Comick Poet , discover'd his Practice in his Plays . * Indeed nothing is more natural than for a Man's Fancy to flow into his Ink , and when he can , to make his Business his Diversion . Father : A Poet that writes loosely can never be excus'd , for this is done either out of Inclination , or Interest : If the first , he 's a Person of no Sobriety , if the second , of no Conscience : As for the Plea from the Nature and Propriety of Characters , 't is answer'd already in my Defence , but the Surveyor was resolv'd to jog on , and overlook it . The Surveyor in his Examination of Plautus , says , I may blush for my Defence of this Poet , for affirming his Censurable Passages are very moderate , as the World goes , and that several of our single Plays shall far out do all this put together . Now tho this may be true in the compass he has given it , yet 't is much more than I affirm'd . But this Author , according to his custom , has extended my Assertion to the whole Works of Plautus , which relates only to the Misbehaviour of Women . And in this sence of the Comparison , I still defend Plautus , and in Proof of the Point appeal to the Old Batchelour , the Soldier 's Fortune , and several other English Plays . The Surveyor opens the Case farther against Plautus , and presses the Particulars of the Charge . And first his Amphitruo is loaded with a heavy Accusation . But the best on 't is , here 's a mistake of the Person , which is enough in all Conscience to quash the Indictment . That Rankness of Language which the Surveyor charges upon Plautus , is all Interpolation , and belongs to another Author . Now as the Poet has no reason to answer for what does not belong to him , so these ungenuine Additions were particularly excepted by me . My Adversary , if he writes awake , must needs know these decent Quotations were nothing to his purpose . But possibly the Nosegay was made up , for a Curiosity to the Reader , and to oblige his own Smelling : And to make Plautus amends for giving him more then his due , he 's resolv'd to take something from him : For at the latter end of Amphytrio , he slides away the word facere , * which quite alters the sence , and makes Compliance sound up to obscenity . But this is no wonder , for I observe the Surveyor is mightily light-finger'd this way , and generally steals off the Modesty of an Author . And to aggravate the Theft , the Motive is more Malice , than Necessity : For he does not filch , to make use of his Neighbours Goods , but to destroy them . His Objection against the Morality of the Dialogue between Demaenetus and Argyrippus in the Asinaria , is out of the Question : I warranted no farther than the Expression , nor that neither , but with reference to the Moderns . His next Instance is in the Curculio , where Phaedromus and Planesium salute each other too eagerly : It may be so ; But then we may observe , they had not seen one another for some time , and the Visit was made with difficulty : And under such Circumstances , had they been both of the same Sex , they might have discover'd some Affection extraordinary . However he can't say the Expression is foul , and if it was , 't is a Slave that speaks it , * and so nothing to his purpose . To shew the Comparative Modesty of Plautus , I took notice , that the Slaves and Pandars who had the greatest Liberty , seldom play'd their Gambols before Women ; that there are , as I remember , but four Instances to the contrary ; and that even there , the Women these Men discourse with , are Two of them Slaves , and the third a Wench . Here he is sorry for my want of Memory , but I have much more reason to condole with him for the loss of his own . For Olympio , upon whom he would make his Advantage , will do him no service , the Liberties of this Slave in the Casina are expresly barred both by Name and Play , and stand first in the List of the Exception . I grant Cleostrata urges Olympio to tell the Story , but then tho the Drift of her Fancy may be amiss , the Complexion of her Language is bright , unless in one Line , which , if not interpreted to her Ignorance , is no more then a double Entendre . Artemona's Allegory in the Asinaria is somewhat less offensive than this , tho none of the most reserv'd . Thus he has made a shift to muster up two exceptionable Sentences of Women of some Consideration in Plautus . But alass ! What are these to the repeated and Luscious Freedoms of Elvira , of the Ladies in the Country Wife , of Belinda , and Lady Plyant , of Narcissa , and Lady Dunce . Not to mention a great many others . Here the Weeds are extreamly rank , and thick set : And were they worth the gathering , the Reader might be plentifully furnish'd for a little pains . The Surveyor has something farther with Artemona , and pretends her Frankness gave her Slave Parasitus the boldness to put a very untoward Question to her . 'T is this , Possis si forte accubantem tuum virum conspexeris , Cum coronae amplexum amicam si vide as cognoscere ? Of these Lines he gives a foul and mistaken Translation , and which is clearly confuted both by the Text and Notes . Every body knows Beds and Garlards were for Eating and Publick Entertainment . And then Gremio jacuit nova nupta mariti was usual enough : This was somewhat of the Case of the Husband Demenetus , who was discover'd at Supper with his Son , and his Wench . And that the Appearance was fair , is evident from the Slaves Advices to his Mistress : He desires her to stay a little for Information about their Behaviour : Paras : Hem tibi Hominem : Art. perii ! Par. paulisper mane . Aucupemus ex insidiis clanculum quam rem gerunt . And upon the immediate progress of the Story , the old Man , the young one , and the Woman , Drink , and Discourse all together . I observ'd farther to the Advantage of Plautus , That his Men who talk intemperately are generally Slaves , adding , that I thought Dordalus the Pander , and Lusiteles a young Gentleman , were the only exception : And this latter was only guilty of one over airy Expression . But it seems the Surveyor is somewhat sharper at these Enquiries , and after his rummaging over 20 Comedies has catched Periplectimines tripping in one Word ; and that too used by way of reproof . Now , that the Expression , tho out of order , is not so gross as he would represent it , appears from Lambin's Note upon the Epilogue to the Captivi : And from Chremes's Reprimand of Clitipho in Terence . * To conclude this Matter , what Periplectimenes speaks , the Hostess in Bartholomew Fair Acts , and that , I take it , is somewhat more foul , and expressive . Once more and Plautus is dismiss'd . I affirm'd , that this Poets Prologues and Epilogues were inoffensive . This the Surveyor confesses is a great Point , but seems to think it cann't be carried . But here the Reader may please to observe , that the Dispute turns only upon Indecency of Language , for I never intended to vouch the Doctrine , and Morals of Plautus : And thus the Epilogue in the Asinaria is nothing to the Surveyor's purpose , being perfectly clean in the Expression . As for the Epilogue of the Captivi 't is all in Defence of Virtue , as well as the Play ; And the Actors urge their Modesty , as an Argument for Favour to the Audience . 'T is true they plead their Merit in one ungovern'd Expression ; to which , in the Case of Periplectimenes , I have spoken already . His remaining Objection is against the Epilogue in the Casina . And here I grant the Principle is ill enough , but that is foreign to the Question . But for any other Objection , I can't perceive the strength of it . For , as to the last Line , upon which I suppose he founds himself , this Sentence seems rather to contain an ill Wish , and a Menace of Disappointment , than any thing else . * Besides ; As to Debauch't Principle , the Prologue to the Plot and no Plot , is as bad as 't is possible , and over and above much more scandalous in Language , than the Epilogue to Plautus's Casina ; In which the Disadvantage is shaded , and the Expression made more remote . And can the Surveyor now find in his heart to compare the Prologues and Epilogues of Plautus with those of the Moderns ? * Is the Decency and Complexion the same in both ? A Man must have a great Command of his Blood , to affirm this without Blushing ; And be almost as much a Master of his Face , as he is of his Conscience . As for Terence , he is so Staunch and Regular , that there 's no medling with him : No , The Surveyor does not think fit to attack this Poet ; but leaves him as a standing Reproach upon the English Stage . I must now follow him in his Remarks upon the Chapter of the Abuse of the Clergy . And here his Spleen against the Church disorders him extreamly , and indeed almost throws him into Fits. He would gladly say something to purpose against the Clergy , but the Subject fails him . This makes him rail most unmercifully ; for Spight and Impotence together are generally very Clamorous and Impertinent . To shew the unreasonableness of the Stage-Scurrilities upon the Clergy , I endeavour'd to make out the Right this Order had to Regard , and fair Usage . First , Because of their Relation to the Deity , where I observ'd that Christian Priests are the Principal Ministers of God's Kingdom : They Represent his Person , Publish his Law , Pass his Pardons , and Preside in his Worship . I thought these things had been so plain that they needed no confirmation , but since the Surveyor contests the Point , I shall briefly make it good . Now , I desire to know of the Surveyor , what it is to Represent another ? Is it not to be his Agent , and to Manage his Affairs by vertue of his Authority ? And does not the Priest Seal Covenants in God's Name ? Does he not Baptize by Commission , and Exercise part of that Power which our Saviour had upon Earth ? The Surveyor's Objection upon this Head is amazingly ridieulous : For by his reasoning no Man can Represent the Person of God , without being possessed of the Divine Attributes , and able to sustain the Figure of Omnipotence . As much as to say , That a Prince can't send another as his Ambassadour , unless his Person , Prerogative and Appearance , is equal to his own . And therefore if the Ambassadour falls short of his Master in the Advantages of Body , or Mind , in the Extent of his Dominions , or the Magnificence of his Retinue ; If any thing of this happens , let the Credentials be what they will , the Characters it seems sinks , and the Representation becomes impossible . This is strong Reasoning , I confess , for it almost argues the World in Pieces . At this rate Princes must Travel to keep the Peace , and Transact all their Matters by Interview , and Personal Visit : For a Plenipotentiary is a dangerous thing : They can't prefer a Subject to an Embassy , without communicating their Royalty , and making an Equal to themselves . And thus the Surveyor has gone a great way towards breaking the Correspondence of Christendom . Farther , I thought the Surveyor would have allow'd Angels , at least , for their Name sake , to have Represented God almighty : But by this Reasoning Michael himself is struck out of Capacity , and the highest Order of Spirits unqualified for the Office : For no Created Being has any of the Divine Attributes , nor which is more , can have them . He says the Regards that I insist on for the Priesthood , belongs to the Governours of the Church . Now , tho he mayn't know it , Priests are Governours , within their Precinct ; They have Regimen Animarum , the Guidance of Souls , and the Concerns of Eternity in their Care , and that one would think were none of the least Interest of the Parish . I grant Theatrum is a hard Word to construe , but I fancied the Surveyor might have known the English of Rector well enough . By this time , I hope , the Representation may be allow'd . But then as to the Authority of publishing the Laws of God , passing his Pardons , and presiding in his Worship , these Privileges , he says , were peculiar to the Apostles . But his Affirmation apart , the Holy Scriptures teach us , That the People are to seek the Law at the Priest's Mouth , for he is the Messenger of the Lord of Hosts . And the Church of England in her Form of Ordination gives the Priest Authority to preach the Word of God , and to Minister the Holy Sacraments ; And which in her Articles she denies to belong to the Supream Civil Power : And as for the Power of Passing Pardons , and giving Absolution , 't is founded upon that Solemn Commission given by our Saviour . As my Father hath sent me , even so send I you , whosesoever sins ye remit , they are remitted unto them , and whosesoever sins ye retain , they are retain'd . And can any one imagine that Words so plain in the Expression , and so solemn in the Occasion , are void of Weight and Signification ? Not to mention the right they imply of Admitting into the Church , and Excluding from it ; Not to mention this , they must amount to this Meaning at the lowest , That those who neglect this Ordinance of God , and refuse to apply for Absolution to Persons thus Authoriz'd , shan't have their Sins forgiven , tho otherwise not unqualified . And thus , to put a resembling Case , a Malefactor can't have the benefit of the Prince's Pardon unless it passes the Seals , and runs through the Forms of Law. And that this Power was not peculiar to the Apostles , but design'd for a standing Advantage , and settled upon the Successions of the Hierarchy ; is plain by the Doctrine , and practice of our own Church : For at the Ordination of Priests the Authority of Remitting and Retaining Sin , is confer'd in the same Words , Whosesoever Sins ye remit , &c. And in the Office for the Visitation for the Sick , the Priest making express mention of his Authority from our Saviour , absolves the Penitent from all his Sins , in the Name of the Father , the Son , and the Holy Ghost . And as this Authority of the Priest is thus fully maintain'd by the Church , so 't is no less acknowledg'd by the State : For the Book of Common Prayer , with the Form of Ordination , &c. stands upon a bottom of Law , and has Two Acts of Parliament to defend it . For tho the Spiritual Privileges of the Priesthood are independent of the Civil Magistrate , yet the Statutes above-mention'd imply an Assent to the Charter deliver'd by our Saviour , and are a fair Acknowledgment of the Power . And thus , the Surveyor , to make a Blow at the Clergy , has charg'd through Gospel and Law , contradicted the Bible and the Statute-Book , and fallen foul upon the Highest Authority both in Church and State. But still he questions , whether the Commission of every Christian Priest be of equal extent and validity with that of the Apostles . I grant the first part of his Proposition : That the Apostles had peculiar Advantages in their Authority , and that their Jurisdiction was larger than that of succeeding Priests , or Bishops either , is not denied . But tho their Commission was larger , 't was not more valid than that of the present Priesthood . For this stands upon the Authority of the New Testament , upon the Credit of undoubted Succession , and the known Practice of Christendom for almost Seventeen hundred years together . What , tho they are not call'd immediately by God himself , nor endued with Supernatural and Miraculous Faculties , does this affect the Credibility of their Credentials ? I suppose Princes are the Ministers of God , and deputed to Govern under him ; And must the Proof of their Commission depend upon Miracles and immediate Designation ? Must they be proclaim'd from the Clouds , and Anointed by an Angel from Heaven ? And are not their Subjects to own them till they can make out their Title by Supernatural Evidence ; by the Gift of Tongues , and raising the Dead ? The absurdity of these Consequences may inform the Surveyor , that there 's no need of a Miraculous Credential to prove a Delegation from Heaven . The Surveyor in stating the Difference between the Ordinary Priests , and the Apostles , makes several Mistakes : And were he in the right , the Dispute is foreign to the Controversy . He affirms the Apostles Doctrine had no other Evidence than their own Affirmation and the Works that they did : Yes : They had moreover the Completion of Prophecies , and the Agreement of the Old Testament ; And these Corroborating Circumstances , were extreamly considerable . He goes on , and alledges in abatement of the present Priesthood , That Persons of this Order have no natural Gifts above other Men , to warrant a Pretence to an extraordinary Mission . Is the Bounty of God then confin'd to Privilege● of Nature ? Or , Is he not at liberty to chuse what Officers he pleases ? I conceive the Surveyor won't deny this . Had the Apostles then any of these Advantages above others ? so far from that , that they seem rather to fall short of the common Standard . Their Apprehensions at first were very heavy , and their Reason check'd by a low Education . And which is more , they were rather chosen for these Disadvantages : For this made their Doctrine the more unquestionable , and the Evidence of their Inspiration the greater . To see such unpromising Persons so Wise in their Discourse , so Wonderful in their Actions , and so Unusual in their Success , must needs convince the World that God was with them . And thus the Surveyor's Assertion is false both in Fact , and Reasoning . His saying , That this Commission of the Apostles and their Successors , expir'd upon the Conversion of Princes to Christianity , is a great mistake : The Church is still Independent , her Authority unalterable , neither is she in Things purely Spiritual , subordinate to the Civil Power . This Truth I have elsewhere proved at large , and thither I refer the Reader . The Surveyor in speaking to the Importance of the Priests Office , would not allow him to preside any more in Gods Worship , than a Clerk in Parliament presides over the House , because be reads the Bills , and Petitions to them . It seems then the Relation of the Priest , and the Congregation , is the same with that of the Clerk to the Parliament . What would this Author be at ? Does he mean , that when the Priest reads the Bible , the People may Debate whether it shall pass or not , and divide into Yeas and Noes , about saying Amen to the Lord's Prayer . One would think by his worthy similitude , that the People went to Church to be Worship'd , and that the Liturgie was only a Parcel of Humble Petitions put up to the Parish . The Surveyor is extreamly desirous to have a Religious Character expos'd on the Stage ; But against this Liberty , I have given my Reasons at large ; which when the Surveyor has replied to , he may possibly hear farther from me . My Adversary is now upon arguing against the Plea of Prescription , and would gladly make out , that the Heathen Stage has Treated the Priests as Coarsly as the Christian. And here Aeschylus is as surly as before , and won't so much as appear in the Cause . However , Sophocles lay in his way , and in he must come ; But then this Poet by his Air and Heaviness , looks more like a Prisoner than a Witness ; Well! We must hear his Depositions in his Ajax Flagellifer , What then is to be done here ? Does the Poet bait a Priest like the Relapse ? By no means . Does he Represent a Priest in his Play ? Not that neither . Then I suppose he spoke ill of him behind his Back ? I confess that was not as it should be . The best on 't is , the Mischief lies in a little compass : 'T is all in a Line or two at the end of the Play : Here the Chorus , in regard of the surprizing Events they had observ'd , are pleas'd to say , That seeing , was Believing , and that ne're a Diviner could tell before-hand , how matters would go . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Now if this Instance must have an answer , I reply ; That Prophets or Diviners held a very small Proportion to the rest of the Priests , so that the Censure , tho gentle , falls only on the Skirts of the Profession . But then to go even thus far , looks like straining upon Sophocles . For the natural meaning of the Moral seems to be thus ; That Humane Foresight is short , and the Future impenetrable ; and therefore People ought to Guard accordingly upon the Present . But I 'm afraid I have been too long upon this Matter , and so have used the Reader a great deal worse , than Sophocles did the Prophet . His next Instance in Iocasta , is obviated , and answer'd ; and so is that following in Creon ; who is declar'd by the Chorus to be punish'd for his Haughtiness and Impiety . However , for once , let 's see what the Surveyor will make out of Creon . Now this Prince being dissatisfied with Tiresias's Discovery in Divination , makes this angry Reflection ; 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 That is , Your Augurs are all a Covetous sort of People . Now , tho the Regard which Creon shew'd Tiresias in the preceding Line , * calls for a soft Construction , yet the Surveyor gives the Text a Mobbish Turn , and foists in some of his own ill Language besides : In his Version it stands thus . They were all a Pack of Mercenary Corrupt Fellows . This , it seems , is the English of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . At this rate , if he were to Turn St. Paul's Citation from Aratus , the Translation of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , would run thus : Mankind are a Pack of Fellows of Heavenly Extraction . We see what lean Evidence Sophoeles proves , tho under the Surveyor's Management : I hope I have made him speak a little fuller on the other side ; His first Testimony from Euripides is levelled only against Soothsaying and Divination . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . And yet even here he over-translat●s the Original * , spoils the Breeding of the Character , and makes Generals rail like Carmen . And in the same Play he Translates 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Fellow , and makes the best Word in the Greek ▪ the worst in the English. Farther , we may take notice , that these warm Expressions were spoken against Calchas the Augur : And tho one of them was deliver'd by Achilles , who was all Passion and Violence , yet 't was in the absence of the Person Censur'd . And as for Calchas , his Interest is great , and his Figure creditable in the Play * . His Instance in Pentheus , and likewise what he offers from Seneca , is answer'd in the View , where the Reader may see an over-ballance of Evidence for the other side . But we must leave the Priests , and go on to the Gods their Masters : Now these the Surveyor pretends were used with great Freedom by the Antients . He begins with Sophocles , and objects the Rants of Ajax , Creon , and Philoctetes , but here his Charge is somewhat inhumane . These Characters have smarted severely for their Impiety : Now Persons that have suffer'd the Law , should not be reproach'd with their Crimes : And therefore in Scotland they say when a Man is Hanged , he 's Justified . But the Surveyor wants time for a Collection out of this Poet : Not unlikely : People that have nothing to pay , are generally in Haste . Euripides is once more summon'd : Now this Poet , I granted , had some Profane Passages uncorrected : And 't is well my Concession was thus frank , for I perceive the Surveyor can hardly prove it : However his Performance must be Examin'd . His first Citation from the Hecuba is the best . But here he loses more in his Skill , than he gains in his Luck . For he quite mistakes the meaning of part of Talthybiu●'s Expostulation ; 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ; 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Which he thus Translates . O Iupiter ! What shall I say ? should Mankind address themselves to you ? &c. Whereas it should have been rendred thus . O Iupiter ! I 'm at a stand whether Humane Affairs are part of your Administration , or not , &c. But I shall pursue the Advantage no farther . This might be a Piece of Honest Ignorance for ought I know : And no Man can Play more then he sees . But then he should be a little cautious not to venture out of his depth , till he can Swim better . Polymnestor in this Tragedy is another Instance how far the Surveyor is to be trusted . The Words must be transcrib'd ; in which this Prince Complains of the uncertainty of Prosperity , and the suddain Turns of Fate ; 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Let 's now see what English the Surveyor can afford us to this Greek . Oh , what a stippery thing is Humane Grandeur , which is never secure ? Thus far all 's well . But then the Remainder is wretchedly wrested into Atheism and Misconstruction : — The Gods ( says he ) perplex and harrass Mankind , that our Ignorance may support their Altars , and Worship . But the Poet's meaning stands thus . The Gods make Humane Affairs floating , and uncertain ; that so our Ignorance of Future Events , may prevent the fancy of Independence , and make us apply to Heaven for a better Protection . Now this is a Sence of Piety , instead of Prophaneness . And to justifie the Translation , I appeal not only to the Text , and Latin Version , but to the Greek Scholiast , who is expressly for it . Farther : If there had been any thing of Prophaneness in this Reflection , Polymnestor paid dearly for 't . For soon after his Eyes are pluck'd out , and his Children murther'd before him * To proceed . Electra's Expostulation is horribly misrepresented . This Lady seeing Helena upon her return from Troy , and that she brought back her Beauty with her Infamy , makes this Remark upon 't . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . That is , Advantages of Person are a misfortune to some People ; But extreamly serviceable to such as make a right use of them . Here the Surveyor bestirs him notably . He keeps the last Line to himself , maims the Period , and then rigs out this Pious Translation ; O Nature , what a Curse art thou upon Mortals ! As much as to say , He has found a Heathen President for the Blasphemy of the Moderns : Whereas 't is notoriously evident , that here is not the least glance against Providence ; And that only the Endowments and Advantages of Nature are meant by the Expression . Orestes is no more the Surveyor's Friend than Electra his Sister . For when Menelaus question'd him about the Murther of his Mother , he pleads the Oracle in his Excuse . And when the other was surpriz'd at the singularity of the Order , He replies , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . That is , We are not to dispute the Gods Commands , but obey them , for the Divine Nature is too big for Humane Understandings . And if the Surveyor thinks this too much a Paraphrase , Orestes shall speak in his own Translation . 'T is thus : We serve the Gods whatever they be . Why then , it seems , he did not question their Being , but thought Religion very well worth the minding . Yes : His Piety appears farther in his next answer , for when Menelaus seem'd to wonder why Apollo did not rescue him from his Misfortune ; He tells him , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . That is , as the Scholiast interprets , The Gods are not suddain in their Administrations ; But take time in Rewards , and Punishments , to Try the Good , and Recover the Evil. His Objection from the Cyclops is fully prevented in the View . However the Poet must be cited , and the Gyant brought in , for the sake of the Civil Translation . Besides , a little Greek , tho nothing to the purpose , has a Face of Learning , and looks Big upon the English Reader . In the Ion , by Translating 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Rascal , and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Whoremaster , he makes Creusa , and her Servant much coarser than they are in Euripides . 'T is true the Servant being moved with the suppos'd ill Usage of his Mistress , propos'd the firing of Apollo's Temple ; but immediately he recollects himself , and advises her to another Revenge , more in her Power . To conclude with Euripides , Hecuba , says the Surveyor , thinks the Gods 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , bad Friends ; He should have said sluggish , and then he had been right . As for Seneca he stands barr'd : Why then is his Atheistical Chorus produced , and why in the Version of the Earl of Rochester ? Was this Transition made for the Benefit of the Publick , or in Honour of the Deceas'd ? Not the latter , for that Noble Lord , abhor'd such Prophane Liberties at his Death . Thus , to Refresh the Blemishes of his Life , is the greatest Outrage to his Memory : 'T is almost enough to raise him upon the Surveyor , to make his Ghost resent the Usage , and flash Correction in his Face ; But after all , 't is highly improbable that the Chorus spoke the Poet's Opinion , if , as Heinsius , Scaliger , and others believe , 't was written by Seneca the Philosopher : For every Body knows he was far enough from being an Atheist . And now we have done with Authorities ; And here , tho the Surveyor has but very bad Luck with his Poets , yet he has taken great care to conceal the Misfortune ; For in his Citations he mentions neither Act , nor Page , but refers to the Plays at large . This , I confess , is the right way to discourage the Reader 's Enquiry , and make him rather Believe , than go Look . And now I may safely affirm , That several single Plays of the Moderns , * have not only more , but some bolder Passages of Prophaneness , than all he has cited from the Antients put together . And which is harder still , I have made but a slender Discovery of the English Stage . Thus some People Refine upon Heathenism ; Thus they improve upon their Creed , and make amends in their Lives , for the odds of their Understanding ! In the Close of all , the Surveyor offers Hypothetically , as he calls it , that is faintly , to justifie the Stage-Freedoms with the Nobility . But , by his favour , this Ridiculous Character must either be drawn for single Persons , or Quality in general : Now either way his Satyr falls under his own Lash ; For from hence it must follow , that he who makes a Lord of a Fool , makes a Fool of a Lord , which he grants is no Compliment . But the Surveyor having not reply'd to my Reasons against this Liberty , I need say nothing more upon the Argument . I have now done with the Surveyor , and heartily wish him a better Subject : For a bad Cause , besides its own Evil , is apt to produce a resembling Defence : It often runs an Author upon Calumny , Coarse Expedients , and Little Management : Which , as they are no sure Methods to raise a Character ; so , at one time or other , they 'l certainly displease a Man's self . THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A33918-e1150 The Ancient and Modern Stages Surv●yed , &c. P. 7 , 8 9. P. 13 , 23. The Ancient and Modern Stages Surveyed , &c. p. 10. P. 12 , 13. P. 14 , 15. P. 18. P. 22. View , &c. p. 273 , 274 , 275. Defe●ce , &c. p. 85 , 86. * Multa rerum turpitudine . N●lla , saltem sicut alia multa , verborum obscenitate compos●●ae . De ●ivit . Dei Lib. 2 Cap. 8. P. 24. 〈◊〉 * Lilius Gyraldus de Poet. Hist. Dial. 6. Diomedes libr. 3. in Fragm . Sueton. primis temporibus ut asserit Tranquillus , Omnia quaein scenaversentur in C●media ag●bantur ; nam & Pantomimus & Choraules in Comaedia Canebant . Macrob. Lib. 2 ▪ Saturn . cap. 7. Gyrald de Po●● . Hist. D●●al . 8. p. 918. S●alig . Poet. Lib. 1. cap. 18. p. 61 , 64. Macrob. Saturn . Lib. 2. cap. 10. Gyraldus , p. 690. de Dial. 6. P. 28. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Nihil nobis cum impudicitia Theatri , &c. Tertul. Apol. cap , 38. Ancient and Modern Stage survey'd , p 30. Horat. Carm. Lib. 2. Od. 1. P. 30. Itaque Pempe●us magnus , solo Theatro suo minor , cum illam arcem omnium turpitudinum extruxisset , &c. Tertul. de Spectac . cap. 10. P. 9. Omnia illic se●● fortia , seu honesta , seu sonora , seu subtilia proinde ha●e ac si stillicidia mellis de Libacunculo venenato , &c. De Spectac . cap. 27. P. 13. See View , &c. Chap. 6. Defence , &c. p. 84. P. 18. P. 10. Aeschyl . septem contr . Theb●s . P. 32. P. 28. 33● P. 32. Ibid. P. 34. View , p. 354. Surv. p. 35. Plat. de 〈◊〉 . lib. 10. p. 756. Ed. Franc. Surv. p. 35. View , &c. p. 234. Survey●r , p ▪ 36. View , p. 234. Survey●r , p. 37. P. 37. Vel ebrictatis , vel aliarum inde nascentiunt rerum incommodis disciplina liberos efficiat . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Arist. Polit. lib. 7. cap. 17. Ed. Lugd. Batav . Surveyor , p. 36. Dennis , p. 74. V●ew , &c. p. 160. P●lit . lib. 7. cap 17. View , p. 235 , Survey●r , p. 42. * O praeclaram emendatricem vitae Poeticam , quae amorem flagitii , & levitatis auctorem , in concilio Deorum collocondum putet● De Comedia loquor quae si haec flagitia non prob●remus nulla ssset omnino . Tusc. Quest. Lib. 4. Surv. p. 40. Ibid. Tusc. Quaest. lib. 4. Tusc. Quaest. lib. 2. Surv. p. 39. * Ibid. Ibid. Survey , p. 44. Dec. 1. Lib. 7. View , p. 235. Survey , p. 45 , 46. * V 〈…〉 Survey , p. 12. * Insania . Cum piaculorum magis conquisitio animos , quam corpora morbi inficerent . Quum locatum à Censoribus Theatrum extrueretur , p. Cornelio Nasica auctore tanquam inutile , & nociturum publicis moribus , ex Senatus consulto destructum est . Liv. Lib. 48. in Epit. * Ad Theatra gradus faciendus est : — Religionem civili sanguin● Scenico●um Portentorum gratia macularunt . Valer. Max. Lib. 2. Cap. 4. Survey . p. 47. Quaest. 〈…〉 August . de 〈…〉 Lib. 1. cap. 33. Tertull. de Spect. cap. 10. At Th●atnali licentia proximo pri●ne anno caepta , gravius tum nempit . occisis non modo a plebe , &c. Tacit. Annal. Lib. . 1. cap. 77. * 〈…〉 Surveyor , p. . 48. 〈…〉 Annal. Lib. 4. cap. 14. View , p. 236. * Prisci moris , observatia . Val. Max. L. 2. cap. 6. Lilius Gyraeld . de poet . Hist. Dial. 6. * Vid. supra . * Nullum aditum in Scenam Mimis dando , &c. Quorum argument a majore ex parte stuprorum continent actus , ne talia spectandi consuetudo , etiam imitandi licentiam sumat . L. 2. cap. 6. * Tusc. Quest. Lib. 4. vid. supra . * Ea civitas severitatis custos accerrim● est . Ibid. Surveyor , p. 24. It 〈…〉 Comedi●n omnesque adeo Scenicos Ludos Republica sua ejecerunt ; Vid●bant enim eam esse lasciviae matrem nequitiae magistram , &c. Thysius in Loc. Su●to● . in August . Surveyor , p. 50. View , &c. p. 236. Surveyor , p. 50 , 51. * Nihil vero tam damnosa●a bonis moribus quam in aliquo spectaculo desidere , tunc emm per voluptatem vitia facilius surrepunt . Senec. Epist. 7. Survey , p. 51. * Spectaculum , p. 52. View , p. 236. * View , p. 236. Surveyor , p. 53. Surv. p. 55. Survey , p. 55 , 56. Ibid. Surveyor , p. 35. Surveyor , p. 56. Survey , p. 57. Ibid. De T●ist . Lib. 2. View , 239. View , p. 239. ov . Remed . Amor. P. 57. View , p. 240. Survey , p. 58 , 59. Survey , p. 61. 〈…〉 Survey , p. 61. View , p. 240. Iustin , Lib. 6. sub . fe●● . View , p. 240. Survey , p. 64. Pl●t . in Lyeurg . L●con . Institut . Survey , p. 65. Ut neque joconeque serio cos q●i Legibus contradicerent audirent . Lacon . Instit. Survey , p. 65. Survey , p. 67 , 68. Survey , p. 67. Ibid. Survey , p. 66. * Romani , sicut apud Ciceronem idem Scipio loquitur , cum artem Ludicr am Scenamque totam probr● ducerent , genus id hominum non modo honore c●vium reliquorum carere , s●d etiam tribu moveri not at one Censori● voluerunt . * Survey , p. 69. St. August de Civ . Dei Lib. 2. cap. 13. View , p. 240. Liv. Dec. 1. L. 7. View , p. 241 , Surv. p. 70 , 71. Surv. p. 71 , 74. Ibid. Ibid. Surv. p. 73. P. 74. Surv. p. 72 , 76. Surv. p. ● 22. De Civ . Dei , Lib. 2. Surv. P. 73. Surv. p. 76. Surv. P. 74. V. d. supr● . Se●l . Poet , Lib. 1. c. 10. Eò institutum manet , &c. Ab Histri●nibus pollu● . Expertes artis Ludicrae . Surv. p. 77. Surv. p. 77 , 78. Ibid. p. 80. Surv. p. 80. Artem Ludicram scenamq● to●am probro discer●nt , De Civ . D● . Lib. 2. c. 13. View , p. 241. Omnes propter praemium in scenam prodeuntes , &c. Surv. p. 80. Quod genus delectationis Italica 〈◊〉 temperatum , ideoque vacuum nota est : nam neque tribu movetur , neque a militaribus stipendiis repellitur , Valer. Max. Lib. 2. C. 4. Casaub. in Loc. Surv. p. 82. View , p. 274● . 275. View , ibid. Surv. p. 82. Surv. p. 80. Usefulness of the Stage , p. 92. Defence , &c. p. 85. 86. 〈…〉 Surv. p. 76. Pantomimum veste humili , aut vil●m offerat Histrionein &c. Usefulness of the Stage , p. 90. * Nonne Cicero corum cum Ro●cium quend●● laudare● 〈…〉 solus esset dignus qui in scenam deberet intrare : ita virum bonum ●t solus esset dignus qui eo non deberet accedere : quid aliud apertissimè ostendens nisi illam sccnam esse tam turpem , ut tan to minus ibi ess● homo debeat , q●●nto magis fuerit vir bon●● . A●g . de Consensu Evangelist , Lib. 1. View , &c. p. 274. Surveyor , p. 99. View , p. 278. Epist. Ded. View , p. 280. Survey , p. 103. P. 101. View , p. 283. Survey , p. 108. View , p. 35 , 383. Defence , p. 10 , 15 , &c. Surv. p. 119. Ibid. Survey , p. 126. Survey , p. 131. Survey , p. 131. P. 133. Survey , p. 133. 145. Ibid. Survey . p. 150 , to 165. Soph. T●achin . View , p. 91. Sophoc . Electr● Act 1. Survey , p. 164 ▪ 178. * Ibid. Eurip. Phaeniss . p. 112. Ed. Cantabr . Hipp●l . p. 262 , &c. Androm . p. 319 , 320. Androm . p. 329 , 330. Androm . p. 329 , 330. Vit. Eurip. Ed. Cant●br . Survey , p. 194. Survey , p. 164. P. 191. Surv. p. 187 , 188. Survey , p. 164 In affectibus vero cum omnibus mirus , tum in ●is qui mis●ratione constant , facile praecipuus . Quintil. Instit. Lib. 10. cap. 1. Survey , p. 180 Prom. Vinct . p. 6 , 8. Ed. Stanl . View , p. 87. Survey . p. 183. P. 182. Survey . p. 189. Survey . p. 184. * Senec. Troad . Act. 3. Survey . p. 187. Survey . p. 226. Aristot. de Poet. cap. 18. Survey . p. 195. Survey , p. 196. 197 , & deinc . Survey . p. 201. Survey p. 187 , 188. Survey . p. 201 , to 206. Survey . p. 212. See View and Defence . Survey . p. 222. Survey p. 225. View , 142 , 146 , & alib . Survey . p. 218. Survey . Ibid. View , &c. p. 142 , 146 , & alib . Survey p. 219. Survey . p. 187 , 188. H●rat de art . poet . Arist. de poet . cap. 9. Horat. de Art. poet . View , P. 34 , 35 , 204 , 205. Defence , p. 20 , 21 , & alib . Survey , p. 226. * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . De poet . cap. 13. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Ibid. * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Arist. de poet . cap. 6. Ut redeat miseris , abeat fortunae super bis . Horat. de Art. poet . Defence , p. 6 , 7 , 8. Survey , p. 232. P. 234. Rudens . Act. 4. sc. 7. Survey , p. 336. * Surv. p. 238. * Defence , p. 8 , 10. Survey , p. 237. View , p. 242 , 246 , & alib . Survey , p. 235. Survey , p. 239 , 105 , & alib . View , p. 159. 164. Survey . p. 241. Surv. p. 242. View , p. 149. Surv. p. 242. Surv. p. 24● , 243. Surv. p. 24 , 28 , & alib . Survey . p. 243. Surv. p. 244. Ibid. View , p. 149. Surv. p. 244. Surv. p. 245. * 〈…〉 Surv. p. 246. * Quia versus Plauti non satis numerose scripti , & saepe obscaeni sunt . † Minell . in Loe. * I●civile & scurrile dictum . Id. * Il a des plaisanteries souvent outrées ▪ Dacier in L●c. Horat. de Art. Poet. View , p. 23. Surv. p. 47 , 49. View , p. 149. Surv. p. 249. De Art. Poet. De Art. Poet. Lil. Gyrald . De Poet. Hist. Dial. 6. p. 765 , 766. View , p. 150. Surv. p. 153. Surv. p. 254 , 258. Duplex est apud Graecos Comaedia Antiqua & Nova . Turneb in Lib. 10. Instit. Quintil. cap. 1. Surv. p. 259. * Surv. p. 253. Scalig. Poet. Lib. 1. cap. 7. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Chor. in Plut. Act. 5. sc. 3. Surv. p. 262. View , p. 39. Survey . p. 263. P. 265. p. 267. Remarques sur L' Art Poetique D' Horace Tom. 10. p. 298. Survey . Ibid. & p. 268. Instit. Or. Lib. 10. cap. 1. Survey . p. 268. P. 271. P. 272. View , p. 151. Survey , p. 275. Institut . Lib. 10. cap. 1. omnibus r●bus , personis , affectibus , accommodatus . Survey . p. 277. P. 278. View , p. 218 , 219. Surv. p. 286 , 287. See Defence , p. 10 , 11 , 16 , &c. Survey . p. ●8● . Survey , p. 290. View , p. 171 , 172 , 173. Survey . p. 288. De Art. Poet. Ibid. Survey , p. 292. Survey . p. 293. P. 367. Survey . p. 268 , 269. Survey . p. 23 , 24. Survey . p. 293 , 294 P. 294 P. 296. P. 295. * Iudg. 11. v. 37. Survey , p. 300. Survey . p. 301. Sophoc . ●lect . Act. 2. & alib . Survey . p. 301. Survey . p. 302. Eurip. Hec. Act. 2. Eurip. p. 13 , 14. Ed. Cantab. Ibid. p. 20. Surv. p. 305 , 6 , 7. Troad . p. 145. Ibid. 146. Survey p. 306. 308. Troad . p. 143. * Androm . p. 301 , 302. Virg. Aeneid . 8. Surv. p. 312. Androm . p. 301 , 302 , 303. Ion. p. 317 , 333 , 334. P. 351. Electr. p. 427 , 428. Surv. p. 314. View , p. 25. Survey . p. 317. Epist. advers . Helvid . & alib . View , p. 25. Herc. Fur. Surv. p. 319. Survey , p. 319. Ibid. Agam. Act. 2. Survery , p. 313 , 319. Survey , p. 327 , 328. * Mores suos fassus . Instit. Orat. Lib. 10. cap. 1. Defence , p. 10 , 11 , &c. Surv. p. 328. View , p. 16. Surv. p. 329 , 330. View , p. 18. * Me● vi subacta est facere . Amph. Act. 5. Sc. 2. * 〈◊〉 , p. 16. View , p. 17. S●●v . p. 334. View , p. 17. Survey , p 337. Spanish-Friar . Old Batch . Double-Dealer . Fool in Fashion . Soldiers Fortune . Asimar . Act. 5. sc. 2. View , p. 16. Mrl. Glor. Act. 5. * Heauton . Act. 3. S. 3. Ed. in usum Delphin . View , p. 17. Surv. p. 340. Survey . p. 342. P. 343. Surv. p. 341. * Vid. Donat. in Loc. * See View , P. 13. Survey , p. 344. View , p. 127. St. Math. 28. 19. St. Ioh. 20. 21. Survey . p. 346 , 347. Survey , p. 347 , 348. Survey , p. 348. Malach. 2. 72 Art. 37. St. Joh. 20. 21 , 23. 1 Eliz. 14 Car. 2. Survey . p. 348. Ibid. Survey , p. 349. P. 349 , 350. Moral Essays , Office Chap. Survey . p. 352. Survey . p. 356. Defence , from p. 66 , to p. 8● . View , &c. Ajax . Flag . Survey . p. 358. View , p. 89 , 90. Sophoc . Antig. * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Act. 17. 28. ●View , p. 120. Iphig . in Aulid . * A vain-glorious rascally Race , Surv. P. 359. — iracundus , inexorabilis acer , jura negat sibi nata , nihil non arroget armis . Horat. de Art. Poet. * Eurip. Iphig . in Aulid . p. 44. & alib . View , p. 120 , 121. Survey , p. 360. View , p. 88 , 89 , 93. 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