The Quakers plainness detecting fallacy in two short treatises : I. The first in answer to an abusive epistle, styl'd, The Quakers quibbles, and the comparison therein between the Muggletonians and the Quakers, proved absurd and unjust, II. The second, being a brief impeachment of the forger's compurgators (in their Quakers appeal answered) whose injustice, partiality and false glosses have given the chief occasion of these late contests / by George Whitehead.
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             The Quakers plainness detecting fallacy in two short treatises : I. The first in answer to an abusive epistle, styl'd, The Quakers quibbles, and the comparison therein between the Muggletonians and the Quakers, proved absurd and unjust, II. The second, being a brief impeachment of the forger's compurgators (in their Quakers appeal answered) whose injustice, partiality and false glosses have given the chief occasion of these late contests / by George Whitehead.
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           THE
           Quakers
           Plainness
           DETECTING
           FALLACY
           IN
           Two
           Short
           Treatises
           :
        
         
           I.
           The
           First
           in
           Answer
           to
           an
           Abusive
           Epistle
           ,
           styl'd
           ,
           
             The
             Quakers
             Quibbles
          
           ;
           and
           the
           Comparison
           therein
           between
           the
           Muggletonians
           and
           Quakers
           ,
           proved
           Absurd
           and
           Vnjust
           .
        
         
           II.
           The
           Second
           ,
           being
           
             a
             brief
             Impeachment
          
           of
           the
           
             Forger's
             Compurgators
          
           [
           in
           their
           Quakers
           
             Appeal
             Answered
          
           ]
           whose
           Injustice
           ,
           Partiality
           and
           false
           Glosses
           have
           given
           the
           chief
           Occasion
           of
           these
           late
           Contests
           .
        
         
           By
           
             George
             Whitehead
          
           .
        
         
           Ye
           have
           eaten
           the
           Fruit
           of
           Lyes
           ,
           
             Hos.
             10.13
             .
          
        
         
           Printed
           in
           the
           Year
           1674.
           
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
         
           
             Unprejudiced
             Reader
             ,
          
        
         
           IF
           the
           TRUTH
           could
           have
           been
           overcome
           by
           Falshood
           ,
           or
           buried
           under
           Reproaches
           ,
           or
           stopt
           with
           Popular
           Clamours
           ,
           or
           undermined
           by
           the
           secret
           Combinations
           of
           its
           Adversaries
           ,
           or
           supprest
           by
           Injustice
           and
           Partiality
           ;
           I
           confess
           ,
           these
           implacable
           and
           envious
           Men
           ,
           who
           are
           chiefly
           concerned
           against
           us
           ,
           would
           have
           the
           Day
           ,
           and
           their
           Iniquity
           been
           triumphant
           and
           remained
           uncontroulable
           :
           But
           such
           their
           Weapons
           and
           Engines
           ●●ve
           not
           prevailed
           ,
           nor
           ever
           shall
           effect
           the
           Enemies
           Designs
           against
           God's
           Cause
           or
           Heritage
           .
           Had
           they
           been
           Men
           of
           
             Tender
             Conscience
          
           ,
           or
           respected
           the
           
             Honour
             of
             Religion
          
           more
           then
           Interest
           and
           Popular-Fame
           ,
           they
           would
           not
           have
           given
           us
           Occasion
           for
           these
           publick
           Contests
           ,
           neither
           by
           abetting
           a
           
             manifest
             Forger
          
           ,
           nor
           by
           
             lying
             Pamphlets
          
           or
           
           
             false
             Relations
          
           that
           they
           so
           frequently
           bring
           forth
           ,
           and
           cause
           to
           be
           spread
           against
           us
           :
           But
           their
           hard
           Hearts
           ,
           their
           fretful
           striving
           Spirits
           vent
           forth
           their
           Envy
           ,
           and
           declare
           their
           Spleen
           and
           Ill-will
           towards
           us
           ,
           only
           that
           they
           want
           Power
           to
           effect
           their
           Revenge
           upon
           us
           ;
           to
           evince
           this
           I
           could
           give
           divers
           Instances
           ,
           that
           an
           
             Inveterate
             Persecuting
             Spirit
          
           hath
           long
           been
           ,
           and
           yet
           lives
           and
           works
           in
           divers
           of
           these
           Baptist-Teachers
           and
           Leaders
           ;
           such
           as
           cannot
           
             suffer
             Persecution
          
           themselves
           for
           their
           Religion
           ,
           but
           a
           little
           Storm
           or
           small
           Gust
           would
           blow
           them
           into
           their
           Holes
           and
           Obscurities
           again
           ,
           and
           yet
           they
           seem
           to
           envy
           the
           Liberty
           ,
           and
           grudge
           the
           Prosperity
           of
           others
           ;
           we
           have
           Cause
           to
           think
           ,
           that
           even
           Ours
           is
           as
           an
           Eye-Sore
           to
           them
           :
           If
           they
           urge
           me
           herein
           ,
           I
           doubt
           not
           but
           I
           can
           particularly
           demonstrate
           it
           ,
           and
           in
           some
           Measure
           shew
           the
           Antiquity
           of
           their
           
             persecuting
             Envy
          
           ;
           and
           of
           late
           their
           Outrage
           is
           ominous
           of
           their
           
             Decrease
             ,
             Confusion
          
           and
           Ruin
           :
           I
           am
           sensible
           the
           secret
           Hand
           of
           God
           hath
           
           been
           ,
           and
           is
           at
           Work
           against
           this
           Perverse
           Generation
           ,
           because
           of
           their
           Hypocrisie
           and
           Envy
           against
           us
           his
           People
           :
           And
           how
           do
           they
           
             Revile
             ,
             Infamize
             ,
             Baite
          
           and
           Bark
           at
           that
           Sincere-hearted
           and
           Zealous
           Man
           
             William
             Penn
          
           ?
           What
           
             Libels
             ,
             Pamphlets
             ,
             Books
             ,
             Squibs
             ,
             Cantings
             ,
             Jeers
             ,
             Silly
             Drolls
             and
             Railing
          
           have
           his
           Adversaries
           (
           Baptists
           and
           their
           Assistents
           )
           let
           fly
           at
           him
           ,
           as
           Men
           full
           freight
           with
           Envy
           ,
           by
           all
           which
           both
           He
           and
           many
           more
           are
           but
           the
           more
           confirmed
           against
           them
           and
           their
           Way
           ,
           resolving
           (
           if
           they
           were
           otherwise
           to
           seek
           )
           they
           would
           never
           be
           Dipt
           by
           these
           Baptists
           into
           their
           
             Spirit
             ,
             Religion
          
           or
           Church
           .
           Of
           late
           I
           have
           met
           with
           a
           very
           partial
           and
           scornful
           Pamphlet
           ,
           styled
           ,
           
             The
             Quakers
             Quibbles
          
           ,
           said
           to
           be
           set
           forth
           in
           
             an
             Expostulatory
             Epistle
             to
          
           W.
           Penn
           ;
           unto
           which
           I
           thought
           meet
           to
           write
           this
           following
           brief
           Tract
           ;
           though
           it
           be
           not
           directed
           to
           me
           ,
           I
           am
           concerned
           for
           the
           Truth
           and
           People
           of
           God
           ,
           being
           both
           abused
           through
           the
           Envy
           and
           Folly
           of
           their
           Confused
           Adversaries
           :
           We
           find
           the
           
           said
           Pamphlet
           subscribed
           with
           the
           Name
           ,
           
             Thomas
             Thompson
          
           ,
           p.
           26.
           
           And
           in
           Conclusion
           ,
           
             Thomas
             Thompson
          
           ,
           whether
           this
           be
           the
           Real
           Author's
           Name
           some
           question
           ;
           however
           ,
           some
           of
           the
           Baptists
           have
           commended
           and
           promoted
           his
           Work
           ,
           as
           an
           
             Ingenuous
             Piece
          
           ,
           who
           have
           pretended
           themselves
           ignorant
           of
           the
           Author
           of
           it
           :
           but
           whatever
           he
           be
           ,
           he
           writes
           like
           a
           Confident
           Controuler
           of
           
             W.
             P.
          
           and
           the
           Quakers
           ,
           and
           would
           seem
           to
           be
           somebody
           ;
           but
           his
           Complement
           of
           Sir
           ,
           and
           
             thou
             Sir
          
           ,
           and
           thou
           ,
           &c.
           as
           also
           ,
           
             Mountebank
             ,
             Fool
          
           ,
           &c.
           with
           much
           more
           such
           Language
           to
           
             W.
             P.
          
           looks
           but
           oddly
           ;
           a
           strange
           Way
           of
           complementing
           from
           such
           a
           Person
           as
           would
           be
           thought
           a
           Moderator
           and
           
             Indifferent
             Pen
          
           !
           But
           whoever
           the
           Author
           be
           ,
           his
           Work
           will
           further
           declare
           what
           dark
           Spirit
           it
           came
           from
           ,
           and
           that
           it
           much
           resembles
           that
           of
           a
           
             Prejudiced
             ,
             Angry
             Anabaptist
          
           ,
           only
           disguised
           and
           mixed
           with
           a
           little
           of
           
             different
             Style
          
           and
           
             silly
             Drollery
          
           :
           However
           ,
           he
           and
           these
           Baptists
           that
           so
           much
           envy
           us
           ,
           and
           out
           of
           their
           
           Pride
           and
           Emulation
           would
           be
           smiting
           at
           
             W.
             Penn
          
           ,
           because
           of
           his
           
             Testimony
             for
             the
             Truth
          
           among
           us
           ,
           and
           his
           Zeal
           against
           Truth
           's
           Adversaries
           ,
           they
           do
           but
           strive
           and
           quarrel
           in
           vain
           ;
           and
           I
           must
           tell
           them
           ,
           there
           was
           a
           Hand
           of
           the
           Lord
           in
           raising
           him
           up
           (
           as
           also
           will
           appear
           in
           many
           more
           )
           to
           bear
           Witness
           against
           such
           a
           stingy
           Generation
           of
           Hypocrites
           and
           Apostates
           ,
           as
           of
           late
           do
           busy
           themselves
           and
           take
           Counsel
           together
           like
           malicious
           Incendiaries
           against
           us
           ,
           and
           their
           Counsel
           God
           will
           bring
           to
           nought
           ,
           
             and
             scatter
             the
             Proud
             in
             their
             Imaginations
          
           ;
           yet
           I
           have
           a
           secret
           Sadness
           and
           Sorrow
           of
           Spirit
           because
           of
           the
           great
           
             Loss
             ,
             Declension
          
           &
           Apostacy
           that
           divers
           ,
           even
           of
           these
           Baptists
           are
           fallen
           into
           .
           On
           the
           former
           
             Zeal
             for
             Religion
             ,
             Tenderness
             of
             Conscience
          
           and
           
             Desires
             after
             an
             Experimental
             and
             Inward
             Knowledge
             of
             the
             Spirit
             ,
             Power
             and
             Work
             of
             God
          
           that
           were
           stirring
           in
           many
           (
           when
           they
           were
           in
           a
           Low
           and
           Suffering
           Condition
           )
           which
           now
           they
           have
           lost
           ,
           and
           the
           Zeal
           of
           several
           turned
           
           into
           Enmity
           ,
           and
           they
           grown
           Cold
           and
           Dead
           in
           the
           Earth
           and
           Spirit
           of
           the
           World
           !
           yet
           there
           is
           a
           Remnant
           among
           them
           ,
           whom
           the
           Lord
           will
           visit
           and
           gather
           out
           ,
           as
           those
           other
           Sheep
           that
           desire
           to
           return
           to
           the
           great
           Shepherd
           and
           Sheepfold
           ,
           from
           off
           those
           
             Barren
             Hills
          
           ,
           and
           out
           of
           those
           
             Empty
             Professions
          
           ,
           and
           
             Dead
             Forms
          
           ,
           and
           
             Shadowy
             Observations
          
           under
           which
           the
           Souls
           of
           many
           yet
           lye
           starving
           and
           pining
           ,
           for
           want
           of
           the
           True
           and
           
             Heavenly
             Bread
             ,
             which
             is
             in
             the
             Father's
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             G.
             W.
             
          
        
      
       
         
         
           THE
           Quakers
           Plainness
           DETECTING
           FALLACY
           .
        
         
           
             Section
             I.
             Of
             the
             Partiality
             and
             Confusion
             of
             the
             Pamphlet
             ,
             styled
             ,
             The
             Quakers
             Quibles
             ,
             and
             the
             Authors
             Hypocrisie
             and
             Envy
             .
          
           
             WHereas
             the
             Author
             of
             the
             Pamphlet
             (
             whoever
             he
             be
             )
             styles
             himself
             ,
             
               an
               Indifferent
               Penn
            
             ,
             and
             would
             appear
             to
             be
             a
             very
             meek
             &
             moderate
             man
             ,
             assuring
             us
             he
             is
             neither
             Baptist
             nor
             Quaker
             ,
             p.
             37.
             implying
             that
             he
             is
             an
             Impartial
             Person
             between
             both
             :
             But
             now
             ,
             let
             the
             serious
             Reader
             consider
             and
             judge
             of
             this
             Man's
             Moderation
             and
             Ingenuity
             ,
             who
             instead
             of
             impartially
             relating
             Matters
             of
             Fact
             (
             for
             
             others
             to
             judge
             of
             )
             all
             along
             bears
             upon
             the
             Quakers
             with
             hard
             Language
             ,
             Jeers
             ,
             Taunts
             and
             Canting
             Quibles
             comparing
             W.P.
             with
             a
             Jesuite
             in
             his
             Oration
             ,
             and
             to
             
               a
               Mountebank
               or
               Stage-Player
            
             ,
             accusing
             him
             with
             
               Shuffles
               ,
               Railing
               ,
               Clamour
               ,
               less
               Railing
               at
            
             Billingsgate
             ;
             
               the
               Author
               of
               a
               Lye
               ,
               not
               only
               a
               Fool
               ,
               his
               unjust
            
             ;
             and
             us
             ,
             his
             Friends
             ,
             
               with
               Foll
               ,
               Immoderation
               ,
               Rancor
               ,
               Malice
               ,
               Obstinacy
               ,
               Vnreasonableness
               ,
            
             not
             to
             say
             
               Madness
               ,
               Passion
               ,
               ●●gling
               ,
               Refractoriness
               ,
               Ridiculous
               Fanc●●s
               ,
               Weak●●ss
               ,
               Q●●bling
               ,
               base
               old
               Way
               of
               Evasion
               and
               Sh●f●ing
               ,
               perverse
               Generation
               ,
               obstinately
               confident
               ,
               and
               confidently
               obstinate
               ,
               without
               Order
               or
               Rule
               ,
               Rime
               or
               Reason
               ,
               Fools
               fit
               for
               n●
               Man
               to
               dispute
               with
               except
               some
               of
            
             Muggleton
             
               's
               Disc●ples
            
             ,
             Billingsgate
             
               Rhetorick
               ,
               misterious
               Subtit●●es
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             Unjustly
             and
             wickedly
             comparing
             Muggleton
             and
             the
             Quak●rs
             ,
             or
             the
             Quakers
             and
             Muggletonians
             ,
             insinuating
             ,
             that
             both
             of
             them
             may
             be
             
               Impostors
               ;
               for
               its
               possible
            
             ,
             saith
             he
             ,
             and
             all
             this
             to
             render
             us
             as
             odious
             as
             may
             be
             .
          
           
             How
             now
             Baptists
             !
             is
             this
             your
             indifferent
             Penn
             and
             ingenuous
             Writer
             ?
             Can
             you
             think
             he
             hath
             well
             palliated
             Matters
             ,
             either
             with
             Indifferency
             ,
             Moderation
             or
             Impartiality
             between
             us
             ?
             Or
             that
             such
             Work
             will
             make
             a
             Pacification
             ,
             or
             end
             the
             Controversie
             ?
             No
             ,
             no
             ;
             such
             deceitful
             Dealing
             and
             hypocritical
             
             critical
             Pretences
             will
             stand
             you
             in
             no
             stead
             .
             And
             pray
             further
             observe
             how
             inconsistent
             your
             indifferent
             Pen
             is
             with
             himself
             in
             his
             self-Contradictions
             ;
             as
             ,
          
           
             1.
             
             Between
             his
             commending
             W.P.
             
               for
               an
               excellent
               Rhetorician
               and
               fluent
               Tongue
               ;
               and
               so
               was
            
             Cicero
             ,
             p.
             6.
             
          
           
             And
             his
             telling
             us
             ,
             
               You
               give
               Occasion
               to
               Persons
               to
               think
               and
               judge
               you
               a
               perverse
               Generation
               ,
               without
               Order
               or
               Rule
               ,
               Rime
               or
               Reason
               ,
            
             p.
             25.
             
          
           
             Was
             Cicero
             such
             an
             one
             then
             ?
          
           
             2.
             
             Between
             his
             proposing
             ,
             that
             if
             W.
             P.
             
               had
               this
               Gift
               of
               a
               fluent
               Tongue
               and
               good
               Voice
               meerly
               by
               turning
            
             Quaker
             ,
             
               and
               not
               partly
               natural
               ,
               and
               partly
               acquired
               at
               Schools
               ,
               that
               would
               more
               convince
               him
               of
               the
               Truth
               of
            
             W.
             P
             '
             
               s
               Christianity
               ,
               &c.
            
             p.
             7.
             
          
           
             And
             his
             confessing
             ,
             
               That
               good
               Saint
            
             Paul
             
               saith
               ,
               Though
               I
               speak
               with
               the
               Tongues
               of
               Men
               and
               Angels
               ,
               and
               have
               not
               Charity
               I
               am
               become
               as
               sounding
               Brass
               or
               a
               tinkling
               Cymbal
               ,
            
             p.
             9.
             
          
           
             So
             then
             it
             is
             Charity
             ,
             not
             the
             Gift
             of
             Tongues
             ,
             that
             is
             a
             certain
             Proof
             of
             Christianity
             .
          
           
             3.
             
             Between
             his
             saying
             ,
             
               Thou
               madest
               thy self
               the
               Author
               of
               a
               Lye
               ,
               and
               shewdst
               thy self
               not
               only
               a
               Fool
               ,
               but
               Vnjust
               ,
            
             p.
             13.
             
          
           
           
             And
             saying
             ,
             
               To
               say
               it
               is
               a
               Lye
               ,
               that
               is
               neither
               Answer
               nor
               Argument
               ;
               therefore
               in
               Love
               I
               should
               advise
               thee
               to
               leave
               off
               all
               such
            
             Billins-gate
             
               Rhetorick
               and
               gross
               Language
            
             .
          
           
             See
             here
             how
             he
             hath
             condemned
             that
             as
             Billings-gate
             Rhetorick
             and
             gross
             Language
             which
             himself
             hath
             used
             .
          
           
             4.
             
             Between
             his
             saying
             to
             
               W.P.
               Perhaps
               thou
               art
               of
               a
               different
               mind
               from
               some
               of
               thy
               Friends
               as
               it
               is
               reported
               ,
               thou
               hast
               brought
               them
               off
               from
               some
               ridiculous
               Fancies
               ,
               p.
            
             20.
             
          
           
             And
             speaking
             of
             W.
             P.'s
             being
             
               engaged
               with
               such
               a
               People
               ,
               and
               having
               received
               their
               Principles
               ,
               thereby
               thinking
               himself
               oblieged
               now
               to
               maintain
               them
               ,
            
             p.
             26.
             
          
           
             How
             should
             he
             so
             differ
             with
             us
             (
             his
             Friends
             )
             being
             engaged
             with
             us
             ,
             and
             oblieged
             to
             maintain
             our
             Principles
             ?
             Which
             we
             doubt
             not
             of
             his
             Sincerity
             in
             ,
             whatsoever
             be
             here
             insinuated
             to
             the
             contrary
             .
          
           
             Now
             after
             the
             great
             Noise
             these
             Baptists
             have
             made
             against
             us
             ,
             as
             being
             no
             Christians
             ,
             and
             the
             several
             Attempts
             made
             to
             prove
             us
             none
             ;
             as
             also
             their
             begging
             Questions
             ,
             and
             calling
             for
             an
             Evidence
             to
             prove
             our selves
             Christians
             ,
             and
             not
             telling
             us
             what
             Evidence
             ;
             the
             Author
             of
             the
             
               Quakers
               Quibles
            
             proposeth
             something
             as
             Evidence
             ,
             in
             order
             to
             
             convince
             him
             of
             
               W.
               P's
               Christianity
            
             ;
             and
             what
             must
             that
             be
             ?
             but
             
               the
               Gift
               of
               Tongues
               immediately
               inspired
               ,
            
             which
             he
             saith
             ,
             
               the
               Members
               of
               the
               true
               Church
               in
               the
               Apostles
               Time
               had
               ,
            
             and
             that
             
               if
               he
               can
               shew
               any
               one
               in
               our
               Church
               that
               hath
               such
               a
               Gift
               or
               Gifts
               given
               him
               upon
               his
               Conversion
               to
               our
               Way
               ,
               it
               would
               put
               a
               clear
               Difference
               betwixt
               him
               and
               the
            
             Baptists
             ,
             &c.
             p.
             7.
             
             Also
             he
             asketh
             ,
             
               Where
               is
               the
               Demonstration
               of
               the
               Spirit
               with
               thee
               in
               Power
               and
               mighty
               Signs
            
             ?
             p.
             9.
             
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             Baptists
             to
             this
             Proposal
             ?
             Must
             this
             conclude
             the
             Controversie
             between
             you
             and
             us
             ,
             that
             if
             we
             can
             produce
             such
             a
             Sign
             or
             Evidence
             ,
             it
             shall
             be
             taken
             as
             a
             Proof
             of
             our
             Christianity
             ;
             but
             if
             not
             ,
             then
             no
             Christians
             ?
             And
             who
             then
             shall
             escape
             your
             Censure
             in
             this
             Case
             that
             have
             not
             the
             Gift
             of
             Tongues
             immediately
             inspired
             ?
             Have
             not
             the
             Jesuites
             in
             this
             wise
             argued
             against
             the
             Protestants
             and
             reformed
             Churches
             ,
             calling
             for
             some
             such
             Sign
             or
             Miracle
             to
             ascertain
             them
             of
             their
             being
             the
             true
             Church
             ,
             or
             led
             by
             the
             Spirit
             ,
             otherwise
             have
             urged
             them
             to
             return
             to
             the
             Church
             of
             Rome
             ?
          
           
             And
             at
             this
             rate
             how
             will
             you
             Baptists
             escape
             your
             own
             Condemnation
             of
             being
             
               no
               Christians
            
             or
             Members
             of
             Christ's
             Church
             ,
             if
             you
             cannot
             exhibit
             such
             an
             Evidence
             as
             the
             
             Gift
             of
             Tongues
             inspired
             among
             you
             ?
             But
             to
             say
             ,
             
               the
               Members
            
             of
             the
             true
             Church
             (
             that
             is
             ,
             in
             general
             without
             Exception
             )
             had
             that
             Gift
             ,
             is
             a
             great
             Mistake
             (
             though
             some
             had
             )
             see
             1
             Cor.
             12.28
             ,
             29
             ,
             30.
             
             And
             what
             if
             God
             will
             not
             bestow
             such
             Gifts
             and
             Signs
             now
             ;
             must
             we
             therefore
             be
             no
             Christians
             ?
             But
             
               for
               ought
               he
               can
               learn
               ,
               our
               Friends
               and
               Church
               is
               as
               low
               ,
               poor
               ,
               naked
               and
               destitute
               herein
               as
               the
            
             Baptists
             Church
             (
             viz.
             as
             to
             such
             former
             Signs
             and
             Wonders
             )
             p.
             8.
             
          
           
             And
             what
             follows
             ?
             Are
             we
             not
             therefore
             the
             true
             Church
             ?
             Are
             the
             Baptists
             willing
             to
             be
             thus
             concluded
             on
             this
             Ground
             ?
          
           
             By
             that
             Accusation
             (
             viz.
             
               Whilst
               you
               are
               both
               in
               the
               dark
               ,
               you
               wrangle
               and
               fight
               ,
               confute
               and
               confound
               one
               another
               to
               little
               Purpose
               ,
               p.
            
             8.
             )
             He
             hath
             condemned
             the
             Baptists
             as
             well
             as
             us
             for
             wrangling
             and
             fighting
             in
             the
             dark
             ,
             &c.
             
             It
             were
             well
             ,
             they
             would
             as
             well
             see
             themselves
             thus
             reproveable
             herein
             ,
             as
             promote
             the
             said
             Pamphlet
             as
             such
             an
             ingenuous
             excellent
             Piece
             ,
             whereby
             however
             they
             intimate
             to
             the
             World
             ,
             that
             they
             are
             not
             come
             into
             the
             Light
             ,
             but
             are
             wrangling
             and
             fighting
             in
             the
             dark
             .
          
           
             But
             
               what
               Clamour
               ?
               what
               Noise
               ?
               what
               Tautologies
               ?
               what
               Disorder
               ?
               what
               Discord
               ?
               what
               Confusion
               —
               your
               Vnchristian
               Carriage
               ,
               &c.
               p.
            
             10.
             
          
           
           
             Oh
             partial
             Man
             !
             many
             hundreds
             can
             testifie
             ,
             that
             this
             Disorder
             ,
             unchristian
             ,
             yea
             ,
             and
             uncivil
             Carriage
             ,
             and
             frequent
             Interruptions
             (
             to
             divert
             us
             from
             our
             Charge
             against
             
               T.
               H.
            
             )
             were
             stirred
             up
             against
             us
             by
             our
             Adversaries
             ,
             as
             I
             never
             met
             with
             Disorder
             and
             unfair
             Dealing
             from
             Priests
             or
             others
             ,
             mall
             the
             Disputes
             I
             have
             been
             concerned
             in
             .
          
           
             Touching
             the
             Complaint
             of
             
               our
               giving
               Occasion
               by
               a
               solemn
               Offer
               for
               Thousands
               of
               People
               to
               meet
               together
               and
               that
               to
               the
               Hazard
               of
               their
               Limbs
               and
               Lives
               ,
               &c.
            
             p.
             10.
             
             He
             tells
             us
             not
             who
             gave
             the
             Occasion
             of
             that
             
               Solemn
               Offer
            
             ;
             was
             it
             not
             the
             Baptists
             by
             their
             publick
             Meeting
             at
             Barbican
             before
             for
             
               T.
               H.
            
             his
             Purgation
             ,
             and
             possessing
             the
             People
             against
             us
             ,
             Boasting
             in
             our
             Absence
             ,
             aggravated
             with
             several
             apparent
             Lyes
             spread
             the
             City
             and
             Countryes
             by
             the
             Baptists
             and
             their
             Agents
             against
             us
             ,
             
               as
               purposely
               leaving
               the
               City
               ,
               shifting
               the
               Meeting
               ,
               being
               afraid
               to
               meet
               them
               ,
               &
               c
               ?
            
          
           
             And
             why
             did
             not
             
               W.
               K.
            
             and
             the
             rest
             seriously
             consider
             ,
             and
             prudently
             foresee
             the
             Danger
             of
             the
             Meeting
             at
             that
             Place
             ,
             as
             also
             the
             Trouble
             that
             would
             follow
             upon
             them
             by
             such
             injurious
             and
             base
             Attempts
             against
             us
             in
             our
             Absence
             ?
             And
             indeed
             it
             was
             not
             prudently
             done
             in
             them
             to
             occasion
             and
             appoint
             
             point
             such
             a
             Meeting
             to
             be
             in
             such
             a
             slight
             and
             weak
             Meeting
             House
             as
             theirs
             at
             Barbican
             :
             Is
             it
             not
             well
             known
             that
             we
             proffered
             them
             a
             Meeting-House
             more
             secure
             ,
             wherein
             there
             was
             no
             such
             Danger
             ?
          
           
             For
             
               two
               of
               us
               speaking
               at
               a
               Time
               ,
               and
               crying
               hear
               ,
               hear
            
             (
             that
             was
             to
             hear
             him
             that
             was
             to
             speak
             )
             p.
             11.
             
             And
             what
             if
             many
             at
             once
             cryed
             ,
             
               hear
               ,
               hear
            
             ?
             that
             was
             intelligible
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             need
             enough
             ;
             this
             was
             sometimes
             ,
             when
             it
             was
             supposed
             that
             nighan
             hundred
             of
             the
             Anabaptists
             would
             clamor
             together
             ,
             and
             make
             a
             hideous
             Noise
             and
             Bawling
             ,
             to
             stop
             him
             that
             was
             about
             to
             speak
             ;
             and
             in
             such
             wise
             were
             we
             Beset
             ,
             Interrupted
             ,
             and
             Hector'd
             by
             their
             Companies
             in
             the
             Galleries
             ,
             and
             near
             us
             ,
             upon
             their
             Leaders
             Example
             ,
             insomuch
             ,
             that
             we
             must
             wait
             a
             considerable
             time
             ere
             we
             could
             be
             heard
             .
          
           
             The
             Charge
             of
             
               Shuffling
               and
               Bogling
               at
               one
               single
               Question
               ,
               being
               afraid
               ,
            
             &c.
             pag.
             12.
             is
             unjust
             ,
             and
             scornfully
             aggravated
             ;
             for
             though
             there
             was
             some
             Intermission
             before
             an
             Answer
             was
             given
             ,
             it
             was
             not
             at
             all
             out
             of
             any
             Fear
             ,
             or
             to
             Shuffle
             about
             it
             ,
             but
             because
             1
             st
             ,
             It
             was
             not
             W.
             P's
             place
             then
             to
             Answer
             Interrogatories
             and
             unscriptural
             Questions
             ,
             when
             his
             Adversaries
             had
             given
             a
             
             Charge
             that
             we
             were
             
               no
               Christians
            
             ,
             and
             upon
             the
             Proof
             ,
             as
             they
             pretended
             ,
             instead
             whereof
             they
             fell
             to
             Catechising
             us
             .
             2
             dly
             ,
             And
             if
             we
             had
             not
             at
             that
             Time
             answered
             one
             Word
             to
             the
             Question
             ,
             but
             held
             them
             to
             the
             Proof
             of
             their
             Charge
             ,
             judicious
             Auditors
             would
             have
             held
             us
             excusable
             .
          
           
             
               
                 
                   To
                   that
                   of
                   T.
                   H's
                   saying
                   ,
                   
                     Most
                     of
                     the
                     Particulars
                     he
                     would
                     prove
                     from
                     our
                     Principles
                     ,
                     and
                     the
                     rest
                     by
                     Testimonies
                     ,
                  
                   p.
                   13.
                   he
                   said
                   ,
                   
                     the
                     rest
                     by
                     Consequence
                  
                   .
                
                 
                   
                     Though
                     here
                  
                   T.
                   H.
                   
                     made
                     a
                     Stop
                  
                   ,
                   yet
                   
                     W.
                     P.
                  
                   is
                   charged
                   with
                   an
                   Interruption
                   ,
                   a
                   Lye
                   ,
                   a
                   Fool
                   and
                   Vnjust
                   ,
                   when
                   he
                   did
                   not
                   insist
                   on
                   the
                   Matter
                   ;
                   see
                   their
                   disingenuous
                   Carping
                   and
                   Reviling
                   .
                
              
            
          
           
             Whereas
             many
             gross
             things
             were
             instanc'd
             and
             laid
             against
             him
             ,
             wherein
             he
             had
             most
             falsly
             and
             abusively
             personated
             us
             ,
             as
             so
             speaking
             and
             being
             
               our
               own
               Answers
               and
               VVords
               ,
               and
               our
               Method
               and
               Manner
               of
               Reasoning
            
             *
             even
             in
             many
             Particulars
             ,
             which
             he
             had
             neither
             Testimony
             for
             ,
             nor
             are
             they
             deducible
             either
             from
             our
             Words
             or
             Principles
             .
          
           
             However
             if
             he
             say
             ,
             
               He
               will
               prove
               them
               by
               Consequence
            
             ;
             this
             bewrayes
             his
             own
             Falseness
             in
             saying
             ,
             
               They
               were
               the
            
             Quakers
             Answers
             ;
             when
             they
             were
             but
             T.
             Hicks's
             Forgeries
             sta●●d
             in
             our
             Name
             and
             Person
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             II.
             Of
             the
             Christ
             of
             God
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           
             THat
             
               we
               have
               denyed
               Distinctions
            
             ,
             p.
             15.
             is
             false
             ;
             for
             true
             and
             reasonable
             ones
             we
             deny
             not
             .
          
           
             But
             
               if
               our
               Friends
               Words
               have
               not
               deceived
               this
               Man
            
             (
             he
             saith
             )
             
               we
               own
               nothing
               but
               the
               Divine
               Nature
               to
               be
               Christ
               ,
            
             p.
             16.
             
          
           
             Where
             proves
             he
             these
             Words
             to
             be
             ours
             ?
             Have
             we
             not
             plainly
             and
             often
             confest
             also
             ,
             that
             
               the
               Divine
               ,
               Nature
               or
               Word
               ,
               cloathed
               with
               the
               most
               holy
               Manhood
               ,
               and
               as
               having
               taken
               Flesh
               of
               the
               Seed
               of
            
             Abraham
             ,
             
               was
               and
               is
               the
               Christ
            
             ?
          
           
             Yet
             we
             must
             own
             that
             if
             he
             was
             the
             
               Son
               of
               God
            
             before
             he
             took
             Flesh
             ,
             
               he
               was
               Christ
            
             with
             respect
             to
             his
             Divine
             Nature
             ,
             as
             proceeding
             from
             the
             Father
             ;
             and
             that
             he
             was
             the
             Son
             of
             God
             before
             ,
             is
             not
             denyed
             that
             we
             know
             of
             ,
             in
             which
             Respect
             he
             was
             not
             seen
             with
             
               Carnal
               Eyes
            
             ,
             but
             with
             Respect
             to
             the
             Body
             which
             he
             took
             upon
             him
             in
             Time.
             
          
           
             And
             as
             for
             two
             Natures
             ,
             viz.
             
               the
               Divine
               
               and
               Human
               united
               in
               one
               Person
               ,
               being
               the
               Christ
               ,
            
             p.
             16.
             
          
           
             Then
             how
             consistent
             with
             this
             is
             it
             to
             say
             ,
             that
             the
             
               Human
               Nature
               (
               or
               Christ's
               Body
               of
               Flesh
               and
               Blood
               )
            
             is
             Christ
             ?
             p.
             17
             ,
             18.
             
             Which
             is
             all
             one
             ,
             as
             one
             while
             to
             say
             ,
             that
             Christ
             is
             made
             up
             of
             a
             Divine
             and
             Human
             Nature
             ;
             another
             while
             of
             a
             
               Human
               Nature
            
             or
             Body
             ,
             and
             yet
             that
             Body
             the
             
               Body
               of
               Christ.
            
             I
             must
             confess
             ,
             that
             if
             you
             impose
             upon
             us
             a
             Creed
             in
             such
             Impropriety
             of
             Speech
             ,
             and
             besides
             Scripture-Language
             and
             Phrase
             ,
             or
             otherwise
             unchristian
             us
             ,
             we
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             that
             untill
             you
             bring
             us
             plain
             Scripture
             that
             saith
             ,
             the
             
               Human
               Nature
            
             is
             
               the
               Christ
            
             (
             which
             Phrase
             some
             do
             conscientiously
             Scruple
             ,
             at
             least
             ,
             as
             being
             too
             low
             to
             entitle
             to
             the
             Christ
             of
             God
             )
             we
             must
             rather
             patiently
             bear
             your
             Censure
             or
             Damnation
             ,
             then
             deviate
             from
             Scripture-Language
             (
             in
             our
             Creed
             )
             which
             is
             ,
             that
             
               Jesus
               Christ
               is
               come
               in
               the
               Flesh
               ,
            
             that
             he
             is
             
               God
               ,
               Man
               ,
               the
               Son
               of
               God
            
             ;
             yea
             ,
             and
             
               God
               manifest
               in
               Flesh
            
             ,
             "
             that
             as
             Mediator
             betwixt
             God
             and
             Man
             ,
             he
             is
             THE
             MAN
             
               Christ
               Jesus
            
             ;
             that
             Christ's
             Body
             of
             Flesh
             and
             Blood
             that
             was
             born
             of
             the
             Virgin
             -
             Mary
             ,
             and
             that
             suffered
             ,
             was
             crucified
             ,
             dyed
             and
             rose
             again
             the
             Third
             Day
             ,
             is
             called
             ,
             
               The
               Body
               of
               Jesus
               ,
               this
               Temple
               ,
            
             
             
             and
             
               a
               Body
               hast
               thou
               prepared
               me
            
             ;
             
             was
             not
             this
             the
             Son
             speaking
             to
             the
             Father
             ?
          
           
             As
             for
             J.
             Ives's
             great
             Question
             so
             much
             insisted
             on
             ,
             
               Whether
               Christ's
               Human
               Nature
               was
               a
               Part
               of
               Christ
            
             ?
             p
             17.
             
          
           
             As
             it
             was
             not
             a
             Question
             in
             Scripture
             Phrase
             or
             Language
             ,
             so
             it
             was
             as
             abruptly
             and
             sillily
             obtruded
             &
             begged
             instead
             of
             proving
             the
             Charge
             of
             our
             being
             no
             Christians
             :
             As
             also
             thus
             to
             divine
             Christ
             into
             Parts
             ,
             is
             a
             Contradiction
             to
             
               the
               Human
               Nature
            
             being
             Christ.
             
          
           
             Pray
             you
             Baptists
             ,
             before
             you
             conclude
             a
             final
             Sentence
             upon
             us
             ,
             agree
             upon
             a
             consistent
             Creed
             that
             you
             intend
             to
             stand
             by
             ,
             if
             you
             will
             impose
             upon
             us
             to
             believe
             as
             you
             believe
             in
             Matter
             and
             Form
             upon
             Pain
             of
             Excommunication
             ,
             as
             Ethnicks
             or
             Heathens
             ,
             and
             finally
             of
             Damnation
             ,
             and
             then
             we
             may
             answer
             you
             further
             as
             we
             see
             Occasion
             ,
             you
             having
             already
             attempted
             to
             excommunicate
             us
             from
             among
             all
             Christians
             chiefly
             about
             Words
             ,
             *
             wherein
             as
             yet
             you
             have
             not
             stated
             a
             plain
             and
             congruous
             Form
             among
             your selves
             .
          
           
             And
             we
             need
             not
             think
             our selves
             oblieged
             
             further
             to
             answer
             you
             or
             defend
             our selves
             from
             your
             bare
             Charge
             of
             being
             
               no
               Christians
            
             ,
             until
             you
             have
             given
             us
             such
             a
             formal
             Creed
             ,
             and
             withal
             explain
             ;
             prove
             and
             reconcile
             these
             your
             Terms
             which
             you
             impose
             ,
             question
             and
             strive
             about
             ,
             &
             some
             of
             you
             have
             endeavourd
             to
             tye
             us
             up
             to
             answer
             Aye
             or
             No
             unto
             ;
             as
             about
             your
             Expressions
             ,
             viz.
             
          
           
             
               Two
               Natures
               in
               one
               Person
               ,
               the
               Christ.
               
            
             
               Christ's
               Human
               Nature
               Part
               of
               Christ.
               
            
             
               The
               Body
               that
               was
               seen
               with
               carnal
               Eyes
               ,
               the
               Christ.
               
            
             
               Christ's
               Body
               of
               Flesh
               &
               Blood
               to
               be
               Christ
               ,
               or
               Christ's
               Person
               .
            
             
               The
               true
               Christ
               a
               Person
               without
               us
               ,
               or
               a
               Personal
               Being
               without
               us
               .
            
          
           
             But
             let
             it
             be
             further
             observed
             ,
             that
             your
             Brother
             
               H.
               Grigg
            
             *
             confesseth
             [
             of
             Jesus
             Christ
             the
             Son
             of
             God
             ]
             thus
             ,
             viz.
             
               That
               he
               was
               of
               the
               same
               Essence
               or
               Substance
               with
               the
               Father
               &
               the
               holy
               Spirit
               ,
               and
               that
               he
               had
               a
            
             PERSONAL
             EXISTENCE
             or
             
               Subsistence
               before
               he
               did
               assume
               our
               Nature
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             See
             here
             they
             own
             a
             Personal
             Being
             of
             Christ
             before
             he
             assumed
             our
             Nature
             ;
             they
             should
             have
             agreed
             upon
             the
             Definition
             of
             
             Words
             Person
             ,
             and
             
               Personal
               Existence
            
             ,
             and
             Subsistence
             ,
             and
             clearly
             explain
             them
             to
             us
             in
             their
             Nature
             and
             Property
             ;
             as
             also
             the
             Nature
             and
             Extent
             of
             the
             Word
             Human
             ,
             both
             as
             they
             apply
             it
             to
             Body
             ,
             to
             Nature
             ,
             and
             as
             it
             relates
             to
             Man
             ,
             and
             not
             darkly
             and
             dubiously
             to
             impose
             them
             upon
             us
             in
             their
             ●uestions
             ,
             but
             rather
             be
             content
             with
             plain
             Scripture-Language
             ,
             and
             Words
             which
             the
             Holy
             Ghost
             hath
             taught
             ,
             which
             it
             seems
             these
             Men
             are
             not
             content
             with
             ,
             as
             also
             appears
             ,
             where
             
               W.
               Penn
            
             confest
             his
             Belief
             of
             Christ
             
               to
               be
               of
               the
               Seed
               of
            
             Abraham
             ,
             
               yet
               God
               over
               all
               ,
               blessed
               forever
               ,
            
             &c.
             
             This
             was
             and
             is
             excepted
             against
             ,
             
               as
               not
               direct
               to
               the
               Question
               ,
            
             p.
             18.
             
             Therefore
             upon
             their
             variable
             Terms
             about
             Christ
             ,
             I
             Propose
             these
             few
             plain
             Questions
             ,
             seriously
             asking
             them
             :
             
               
                 1.
                 
                 If
                 the
                 Son
                 of
                 God
                 was
                 not
                 in
                 Being
                 in
                 the
                 Beginning
                 ,
                 and
                 from
                 Everlasting
                 ?
              
               
                 2.
                 
                 If
                 he
                 was
                 not
                 truly
                 the
                 Christ
                 of
                 God
                 (
                 being
                 the
                 Son
                 of
                 God
                 )
                 before
                 he
                 took
                 Flesh
                 upon
                 him
                 ,
                 or
                 was
                 born
                 of
                 the
                 Virgin
                 Mary
                 ?
              
               
                 3.
                 
                 If
                 Carnal
                 Eyes
                 could
                 see
                 him
                 simply
                 as
                 the
                 Eternal
                 Son
                 of
                 God
                 ,
                 or
                 his
                 Glory
                 ,
                 as
                 of
                 the
                 only
                 begotten
                 of
                 the
                 Father
                 ?
              
               
                 4.
                 
                 Where
                 doth
                 the
                 Scripture
                 say
                 ,
                 that
                 the
                 Human
                 Nature
                 is
                 the
                 Christ
                 ?
              
               
               
                 5.
                 
                 Or
                 that
                 Christ
                 is
                 a
                 Person
                 or
                 Personal
                 Being
                 ,
                 consisting
                 of
                 Human
                 Flesh
                 and
                 Blood
                 without
                 us
                 ?
              
               
                 6.
                 
                 Or
                 that
                 his
                 Glorious
                 Body
                 in
                 Heaven
                 is
                 a
                 human
                 Body
                 ?
              
               
                 7.
                 
                 Whether
                 the
                 Man
                 Christ
                 Jesus
                 ,
                 the
                 Mediator
                 ,
                 be
                 really
                 separate
                 and
                 remote
                 from
                 his
                 Church
                 or
                 Members
                 ,
                 so
                 as
                 not
                 to
                 be
                 present
                 in
                 his
                 Church
                 here
                 on
                 Earth
                 ?
              
               
                 8.
                 
                 If
                 Christ
                 be
                 separate
                 ,
                 remote
                 or
                 divided
                 from
                 his
                 Church
                 ,
                 how
                 is
                 he
                 the
                 Head
                 thereof
                 ,
                 or
                 his
                 Church
                 a
                 living
                 Body
                 without
                 (
                 or
                 divided
                 from
                 the
                 Head
                 ?
                 )
              
            
          
           
             If
             you
             profess
             you
             know
             Christ
             ,
             do
             not
             impose
             your
             implicite
             Notions
             ,
             unscriptural
             and
             uncouth
             Terms
             about
             him
             ,
             but
             declare
             your
             Experience
             of
             him
             .
          
           
             Farther
             as
             to
             what
             we
             hold
             concerning
             the
             
               Christ
               of
               God
            
             ,
             in
             Answer
             to
             his
             20th
             Page
             .
          
           
             1.
             
             Christ
             (
             who
             was
             the
             Word
             in
             the
             Beginning
             )
             in
             due
             Time
             came
             in
             the
             Flesh.
             
          
           
             2.
             
             That
             though
             the
             meer
             Body
             of
             Jesus
             was
             not
             the
             entire
             Christ
             ,
             yet
             the
             Name
             Christ
             ,
             is
             sometimes
             given
             to
             the
             Body
             ,
             though
             not
             so
             properly
             as
             to
             the
             whole
             Man
             Christ.
             
          
           
             3.
             
             That
             God
             was
             in
             Christ
             ,
             and
             the
             Father
             and
             Son
             are
             inseparable
             .
          
           
             4.
             
             That
             the
             Distinction
             of
             Father
             and
             Son
             ,
             
             is
             not
             
               only
               nominal
            
             (
             as
             this
             Opposer
             implies
             against
             us
             )
             but
             real
             in
             the
             divine
             Relation
             of
             Father
             and
             Son
             ,
             the
             Son
             as
             being
             the
             only-begotten
             of
             the
             Father
             ,
             and
             also
             known
             as
             Co-Workers
             in
             the
             Order
             and
             Degrees
             of
             Manifestation
             and
             Discovery
             .
          
           
             5.
             
             The
             Man
             's
             accusing
             the
             Quakers
             with
             this
             Doctrine
             ,
             
               That
               the
               Father
               is
               the
               Son
               ,
               and
               the
               Son
               the
               Father
               ;
               and
               so
               God
               the
               Christ
               of
               himself
               ,
               and
               Christ
               the
               God
               of
               himself
               ;
               Somewhat
               like
               as
            
             Muggleton
             
               does
               in
               this
               Particular
            
             ,
             p.
             20.
             
          
           
             Though
             these
             are
             none
             of
             our
             Words
             ,
             yet
             this
             favours
             of
             meer
             Ignorance
             and
             Envy
             ;
             we
             do
             not
             own
             any
             such
             Separation
             between
             God
             and
             Christ
             as
             these
             Words
             [
             
               The
               Christ
               of
               himself
               ,
               and
               the
               God
               of
               himself
            
             ]
             do
             imply
             ,
             Socinian-like
             ;
             but
             that
             the
             Father
             is
             in
             the
             Son
             ,
             and
             the
             Son
             is
             in
             the
             Father
             ;
             as
             also
             that
             the
             Son
             is
             
               the
               mighty
               God
               ,
               the
               everlasting
               Father
               ,
               the
               Prince
               of
               Peace
            
             ;
             see
             how
             plain
             it
             is
             ,
             Isa.
             9.6
             .
          
           
             6.
             
             
               That
               Christ
               is
               not
               a
               Person
               without
               us
               ,
            
             p.
             21.
             is
             not
             our
             Doctrine
             or
             Phrase
             that
             I
             know
             of
             or
             remember
             ;
             only
             that
             the
             Title
             is
             thought
             too
             low
             and
             unscriptural
             ,
             to
             give
             to
             the
             Christ
             of
             God
             ,
             many
             Men
             having
             Gross
             Apprehensions
             about
             the
             Phrase
             [
             PERSON
             WITHOUT
             ]
             .
             But
             
             Christ
             is
             confest
             by
             us
             ,
             both
             as
             without
             us
             ,
             and
             within
             us
             .
          
           
             7.
             
             We
             are
             charged
             that
             we
             must
             hold
             ,
             
               That
               Christ
               dyed
               not
               ,
               but
               only
               the
               Body
               that
               he
               assumed
               ,
               that
               was
               prepared
               for
               him
               ,
            
             p.
             21.
             
          
           
             Now
             you
             Promoters
             of
             this
             
               Q.
               Quibbles
            
             ,
             for
             an
             Ingenuous
             Pamphlet
             ,
             I
             ask
             you
             if
             any
             more
             of
             Christ
             properly
             dyed
             then
             the
             Body
             ?
             Do
             you
             hold
             that
             his
             Soul
             ,
             Spirit
             or
             his
             Divinity
             dyed
             ?
             If
             not
             ,
             the
             Charge
             is
             foolish
             and
             silly
             ;
             if
             you
             do
             ,
             then
             are
             you
             like
             Reeve
             and
             Muggleton
             ,
             who
             have
             bla●phemously
             said
             ,
             that
             
               Christ's
               Soul
               and
               Godhead-Life
               dyed
            
             ,
             When
             as
             Christ's
             dying
             and
             being
             buried
             ,
             1
             Cor.
             15.
             was
             properly
             ,
             that
             the
             Body
             dyed
             and
             was
             buried
             ,
             to
             wit
             ,
             the
             Body
             of
             Jesus
             :
             See
             Mat.
             27.58
             .
             Mark
             15.43
             ,
             45.
             
             Luke
             23.52
             ,
             46.
             and
             24.3
             .
             John
             20.21
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             what
             we
             say
             about
             seeing
             the
             Son
             of
             God
             spiritually
             and
             not
             carnally
             [
             Or
             between
             the
             seeing
             him
             savingly
             ,
             and
             not
             so
             seeing
             him
             ,
             &c.
             ]
             The
             Man
             is
             hugely
             taken
             with
             J.
             Ives's
             Answer
             to
             our
             Distinction
             ,
             
               That
               he
               cannot
               but
               own
               it
               to
               be
               very
               good
               and
               pertinent
            
             :
             Jeremy
             '
             
               s
               Words
               were
            
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             
               That
               then
               I
               ,
               or
               any
               man
               might
               say
               by
               the
               same
               Reason
               ,
               that
            
             W.
             Penn
             or
             G.
             Whitehead
             
               was
               never
               seen
               with
               bodily
               or
               carnal
               Eyes
               ,
               because
               
               the
               Excellency
               &
               better
               Part
               of
               them
               ,
            
             viz.
             
               their
               Souls
               ,
               was
               never
               seen
               ,
               though
               their
               Bodies
               be
               seen
               ,
               which
               is
               not
               the
               Man
               ,
            
             p.
             23.
             
             To
             which
             I
             reply
             ;
          
           
             It
             's
             not
             improbable
             ,
             that
             if
             we
             had
             made
             such
             a
             Comparison
             ,
             you
             Baptists
             would
             have
             cryed
             out
             ,
             
               O
               Blasphemy
            
             !
          
           
             1.
             
             To
             compare
             the
             Names
             
               W.
               Penn
            
             and
             
               G.
               Whitehead
            
             with
             the
             Name
             Christ.
             
          
           
             2.
             
             To
             compare
             the
             seeing
             G.W.
             &
             W.P.
             with
             the
             seeing
             the
             Christ
             of
             God.
             
          
           
             3.
             
             It
             implies
             ,
             the
             Name
             of
             Christ
             to
             be
             no
             more
             excellent
             then
             the
             Name
             George
             or
             William
             ;
             Oh
             Ignorance
             in
             the
             Abstract
             !
          
           
             4.
             
             Did
             not
             the
             Name
             of
             Christ
             as
             well
             concern
             the
             more
             excellent
             Part
             or
             Divine
             Nature
             as
             the
             Manhood
             ,
             and
             far
             Excell
             those
             fleshly
             or
             outward
             Names
             of
             Distinction
             given
             to
             us
             as
             meer
             Men
             and
             Creatures
             ?
             and
             that
             by
             Earthly
             Parents
             or
             Relations
             ,
             and
             not
             from
             a
             Spirit
             of
             Prophecy
             ,
             as
             to
             respect
             some
             divine
             Qualification
             or
             new
             Nature
             ?
             for
             that
             must
             have
             a
             new
             Name
             ;
             therefore
             I
             must
             look
             upon
             J.
             Ives's
             Answer
             and
             Similitude
             to
             be
             both
             impertinent
             and
             irrational
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             III.
             Our
             Opposer
             self-condemned
             ;
             his
             irreverent
             Quibbling
             about
             Christ
             ;
             and
             their
             Ignorance
             of
             the
             Spirit
             's
             Evidence
             ,
             who
             seek
             for
             Signs
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           
             AS
             for
             your
             
               standing
               Gaping
               well
               nigh
               an
               Hour
               for
               an
               Answer
               ,
            
             p.
             24.
             
             If
             many
             of
             you
             had
             not
             gaped
             and
             hidiously
             bawled
             often
             to
             hinder
             our
             Answers
             ,
             but
             had
             been
             civil
             ,
             you
             had
             been
             more
             answer'd
             then
             you
             were
             .
             His
             Charge
             ,
             
               That
               we
               are
               fit
               for
               no
               man
               to
               dispute
               with
               except
               some
               of
            
             Mugleton's
             Disciples
             ,
             p.
             25.
             is
             far
             enough
             from
             approving
             himself
             
               an
               indifferent
               Penn
            
             :
             But
             will
             the
             Baptists
             own
             this
             ,
             that
             they
             are
             such
             as
             
             Muggleton's
             Disciples
             ,
             when
             they
             propose
             for
             (
             or
             admit
             of
             )
             Disputation
             with
             us
             ?
          
           
             As
             for
             W.
             Penn's
             using
             the
             Words
             
               Lying
               and
               Forgery
               ,
               and
               Lyar
               and
               Forger
            
             in
             his
             Books
             against
             
               Thomas
               Hicks
            
             ;
             this
             the
             Man
             accounts
             
               gros
               Language
               ,
               that
               will
               hard●y
               stand
               
               with
               good
               Manners
               ,
               nor
               suit
               with
               a
               civiliz'd
               man
               ,
               much
               less
               with
               a
               good
            
             Christian
             ;
             
               and
               to
               say
               it
               is
               a
               Lye
               ,
               is
            
             Billings-gate
             
               Rhetorick
               ,
               more
               fit
               for
               Scoulds
               that
               are
               duck'd
               ,
            
             &c.
             p.
             25.
             
             This
             is
             made
             a
             very
             capital
             Crime
             with
             this
             Author
             ,
             who
             bids
             us
             
               speak
               Evil
               of
               no
               man
               ,
               but
               be
               gentle
               ,
               shewing
               all
               Meekness
               ,
            
             &c.
             
             And
             yet
             he
             himself
             calls
             W.P.
             
               the
               Author
               of
               a
               Lye
               ,
               a
               Fool
               ,
               unjust
               ,
            
             p.
             13.
             and
             calls
             us
             
               Fools
               ,
               Obstinate
            
             ,
             &c.
             and
             so
             hath
             condemned
             himself
             ,
             both
             as
             a
             partial
             and
             a
             self-contradictory
             Pen.
             But
             why
             is
             W.P.
             
               the
               Author
               of
               a
               Lye
            
             ?
             The
             Pretence
             is
             for
             
               taking
               the
               Words
               out
               of
            
             T.H.
             
               's
               Mouth
               before
               he
               had
               made
               an
               End
               of
               his
               Sentence
            
             ;
             as
             when
             he
             said
             ,
             
               most
               of
               the
               Particulars
               he
               would
               prove
            
             ;
             W.P.
             then
             saying
             ,
             
               most
               of
               them
               ?
               then
               not
               all
            
             ;
             which
             was
             upon
             a
             Stop
             that
             T.H.
             made
             there
             ,
             as
             he
             and
             many
             others
             apprehended
             :
             Howbeit
             ,
             when
             T.H.
             added
             ,
             
               The
               rest
               he
               would
               prove
               by
               Consequence
               ,
            
             W.P.
             insisted
             not
             on
             the
             first
             Words
             ,
             but
             refused
             to
             admit
             of
             his
             Consequences
             ,
             be
             having
             told
             the
             World
             in
             his
             Dialogue
             ,
             that
             they
             were
             
               the
               Quakers
               Answers
            
             ,
             &c.
             but
             this
             Writer
             against
             us
             ,
             carps
             and
             traduces
             on
             every
             slight
             Occasions
             .
             Would
             the
             Baptists
             think
             it
             fair
             to
             be
             publisht
             in
             Print
             for
             
               Lyars
               ,
               Fools
            
             and
             unjust
             on
             such
             an
             Account
             ?
             But
             for
             W.P.
             his
             accusing
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             with
             being
             both
             a
             
               Lyar
               
               and
               Forger
            
             ;
             he
             hath
             both
             proved
             him
             such
             an
             one
             in
             his
             Books
             ,
             and
             further
             urged
             to
             prove
             his
             Charge
             against
             him
             publickly
             ,
             since
             his
             Abettors
             have
             endeavoured
             to
             cover
             and
             uphold
             him
             .
          
           
             But
             it
             seems
             it
             is
             the
             Language
             [
             
               Lying
               and
               Forgery
               ,
               and
               Lyar
               and
               Forger
            
             ]
             that
             is
             found
             Fault
             with
             here
             ,
             and
             not
             the
             Application
             thereof
             ,
             when
             as
             the
             Scriptures
             prove
             such
             Language
             ;
             as
             ,
             
               Thou
               lovest
               Lying
               rather
               then
               to
               speak
               Righteousness
               ;
               ye
               are
               Forgers
               of
               Lyes
               ,
               &c.
            
             See
             Psal.
             52.3
             .
             Job
             13.4
             .
             Joh.
             8.55
             .
             Rev.
             2.2
             .
             &
             3.9
             .
             &
             21.8
             .
             Tit.
             1.12
             .
          
           
             His
             accusing
             some
             of
             the
             
               Quakers
               with
               quibling
               as
               much
               about
               the
               Word
               Body
               ,
               as
               about
               the
               Word
               Christ
            
             ;
             I
             look
             upon
             it
             as
             no
             better
             then
             quibbling
             against
             us
             ,
             instead
             of
             proving
             us
             guilty
             by
             plain
             Scripture
             ;
             for
             to
             say
             ,
             the
             Church
             of
             Christ
             is
             his
             Body
             ,
             and
             that
             there
             is
             one
             Body
             and
             one
             Spirit
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             that
             are
             joyn'd
             to
             Christ
             are
             Members
             of
             his
             Body
             ;
             this
             is
             according
             to
             Scripture-Language
             ;
             as
             also
             ,
             that
             the
             Body
             is
             one
             ,
             and
             hath
             may
             Members
             ,
             so
             also
             is
             Christ
             ;
             and
             are
             not
             the
             Saints
             spiritually
             united
             into
             Christ
             ,
             and
             unto
             his
             spiritual
             and
             glorious
             Body
             ?
             Is
             Christ
             Head
             of
             his
             Church
             in
             any
             other
             Body
             ,
             then
             that
             whereof
             they
             are
             Members
             ,
             and
             united
             to
             
             him
             ?
             And
             will
             this
             admit
             of
             Christ's
             being
             Head
             of
             two
             separate
             Bodies
             ;
             or
             
               of
               Three
               Christs
            
             ?
             as
             his
             stating
             the
             Distinction
             upon
             
               G.
               Keith
            
             ,
             That
             Christ
             
               was
               most
               properly
               taken
               for
               the
               Divine
               Nature
               ,
               less
               properly
               for
               the
               human
               Nature
               ,
               &
               least
               properly
               for
               the
               Carkas●
               ,
            
             pag.
             28.
             whereas
             this
             is
             so
             far
             from
             G.
             Keith's
             proving
             Three
             Christs
             ,
             that
             the
             words
             
               Human
               Nature
            
             and
             Carkass
             ,
             were
             J.
             Ives's
             ,
             not
             G.
             K's
             ,
             as
             the
             first
             is
             herein
             granted
             ,
             though
             
               G.
               Keith
            
             owns
             the
             words
             
               Divine
               Nature
               ,
               Manhood
               and
               Body
               of
               Christ
               ,
            
             and
             confess'd
             the
             Name
             Christ
             ,
             to
             be
             given
             to
             the
             Body
             when
             crucified
             and
             dead
             ,
             though
             less
             properly
             then
             to
             the
             
               Divine
               Nature
            
             and
             intire
             Manhood
             ;
             since
             that
             the
             Son
             of
             God
             was
             the
             
               Christ
               of
               God
            
             ,
             before
             he
             took
             upon
             him
             the
             Body
             prepared
             for
             him
             ,
             as
             J.I.
             hath
             granted
             in
             his
             Book
             ,
             
               Inocency
               above
               Impudency
            
             ,
             p.
             37.
             
             By
             his
             Argument
             ,
             That
             
               Christ
               is
               the
               Son
               of
               God
               ,
            
             Ergo
             ,
             
               the
               Son
               of
               God
               is
               Christ
            
             :
             &
             as
             I
             answer'd
             ,
             though
             I
             could
             not
             be
             heard
             ,
             that
             the
             Name
             Christ
             was
             mutually
             and
             reciprocally
             given
             in
             Scripture
             to
             the
             Body
             and
             Spi●it
             of
             Christ
             ;
             as
             ,
             
               Christ
               dyed
               and
               was
               buried
            
             ,
             when
             it
             was
             properly
             the
             
               Body
               of
               Jesus
            
             ;
             for
             his
             Soul
             or
             Spirit
             was
             immortal
             &
             did
             not
             dye
             ,
             but
             was
             in
             Paradyse
             when
             his
             Body
             was
             buried
             ;
             and
             that
             
               Spiritual
               Rock
            
             which
             ●ll
             Israel
             drank
             of
             ,
             
             
               was
               Christ.
            
             Doth
             the
             Scripture
             herein
             make
             
               Two
               Christs
            
             ?
             No
             sure
             ;
             No
             more
             will
             G.K.
             his
             Distinction
             bear
             
               Three
               Christs
            
             in
             
               Three
               d●stinct
               Persons
            
             ,
             as
             the
             Man
             unscripturally
             and
             quibblingly
             words
             it
             ,
             pag.
             28.
             
          
           
             And
             further
             ,
             It
             is
             very
             strange
             that
             
               W.
               P.
            
             in
             correcting
             the
             Baptists
             and
             others
             ,
             to
             set
             up
             his
             own
             as
             the
             
               True
               Church
            
             ,
             must
             be
             impos'd
             upon
             
               to
               produce
               some
               of
               those
               Gifts
               or
               Visible
               Demonstrations
               ,
               or
               Eminent
               Signs
               ,
               as
               were
               in
               the
               Church
               in
               the
               Apostles
               Dayes
               ,
            
             pag.
             29.
             and
             9.
             when
             as
             he
             never
             made
             that
             a
             Reason
             ,
             or
             Ground
             ,
             to
             correct
             others
             for
             want
             of
             such
             Signs
             ,
             as
             the
             
               Gift
               of
               Tongues
               ,
               Miracles
            
             ,
             &c.
             but
             for
             some
             Un-Christian
             Principle
             or
             Practice
             ;
             however
             in
             this
             Case
             our
             present
             Opposers
             do
             argue
             as
             exactly
             like
             the
             
               Jesuits
               &
               Papists
            
             against
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             for
             correcting
             them
             ,
             as
             if
             they
             had
             serv'd
             seaven
             Years
             at
             Rome
             .
             But
             let
             it
             be
             remember'd
             how
             the
             Baptists
             themselves
             were
             in
             this
             manner
             excepted
             against
             after
             their
             first
             Separation
             from
             other
             Churches
             ,
             and
             gathering
             into
             a
             Church
             of
             their
             own
             :
             It
             was
             objected
             against
             them
             ,
             
               If
               the
               Lord
               be
               with
               us
               ,
               where
               be
               all
               those
            
             Miracles
             
               which
               our
               Fathers
               told
               us
               of
               ?
               Where
               be
               the
            
             Gifts
             of
             working
             Miracles
             
               which
               were
               in
               the
               primitive
               time
               ,
               &
               c
            
             ?
             And
             what
             Defence
             did
             the
             Baptists
             make
             for
             themselves
             herein
             ?
             but
             that
             
               
                 the
                 seeking
                 after
                 ,
                 
                 and
                 Working
              
               Miracles
               
                 in
                 that
                 outward
                 way
                 (
                 that
                 is
                 sometimes
                 in
                 Scripture
                 spoaken
                 of
                 and
                 that
                 these
                 men
                 intend
                 )
                 is
                 not
                 essential
                 to
                 a
                 Believer
                 ,
                 and
                 so
                 not
                 to
                 a
                 Church
                 ,
                 nor
                 an
                 Administrator
                 .
              
            
             See
             p.
             69.
             of
             their
             Book
             ,
             entitul'd
             
               A
               Way
               to
               Sion
            
             ,
             by
             D.
             King
             ;
             printed
             at
             London
             ,
             &
             reprinted
             at
             Edinburgh
             ,
             1656.
             
             Also
             ,
             That
             Miracles
             
               did
               not
               prove
               them
               Disciples
               ;
               That
            
             Miracles
             
               do
               not
               now
               distinguish
               a
               true
               Church
               from
               a
               false
               ,
            
             Ibid.
             p.
             135
             ,
             136.
             
             Yet
             ,
             as
             if
             they
             had
             quite
             forgotten
             these
             things
             ,
             and
             the
             
               Oppositions
               and
               Sufferings
            
             which
             they
             formerly
             met
             withal
             ,
             they
             bring
             their
             
               Adversaries
               Objections
            
             against
             us
             .
          
           
             And
             seeing
             if
             we
             should
             only
             tell
             men
             ,
             
               We
               are
               in
               the
               Truth
               ,
               the
            
             Light
             within
             them
             
               will
               testifie
               to
               our
               Way
               ,
               it
               is
               demonstrable
               by
               the
               Effects
               ;
               &
               that
               we
               have
               the
               Spirit
               ,
               and
               are
               in
               the
               Power
               of
               God
               ,
               and
               that
               it
               is
               within
               ,
               while
               the
            
             Baptists
             
               so
               say
               they
               have
               it
            
             ;
             as
             he
             saith
             p.
             31
             ,
             32.
             and
             that
             all
             this
             will
             not
             decide
             the
             Controversie
             ,
             or
             manifest
             to
             our
             Opposer
             a
             real
             Discrimination
             between
             us
             ,
             to
             demonstrate
             us
             to
             be
             in
             the
             Truth
             .
             Now
             as
             we
             have
             not
             this
             way
             imposed
             a
             Faith
             upon
             our
             Opposers
             ,
             so
             we
             shall
             not
             thus
             impose
             upon
             either
             this
             man
             ,
             or
             the
             Baptists
             ;
             but
             desire
             he
             and
             they
             may
             without
             Prejudice
             seek
             and
             try
             further
             ,
             and
             
               Try
               all
               things
               ,
               and
               hold
               fast
               that
               which
               is
               
               Good
               ,
            
             and
             we
             doubt
             not
             ,
             but
             where
             or
             in
             whom
             the
             
               Spirit
               of
               Christ
            
             lives
             and
             rules
             ,
             it
             will
             manifest
             it self
             by
             its
             Fruits
             ,
             for
             it
             is
             Self-Evidencing
             ,
             and
             will
             discover
             who
             are
             the
             Lord
             's
             peculiar
             People
             ,
             and
             who
             not
             .
          
           
             But
             this
             Quibbler
             imposeth
             upon
             
               W.
               P.
               to
               bring
               something
               for
               Proof
               of
               his
               Church
               which
               the
            
             Baptists
             
               nor
               no
               False
               Church
               can
               pretend
               to
               and
               produce
               ,
            
             pag.
             30.
             
             Though
             this
             seems
             to
             be
             a
             hard
             Task
             ,
             especially
             as
             to
             what
             may
             be
             pretended
             ;
             yet
             it
             is
             no
             difficult
             mater
             for
             
               W.
               P.
            
             and
             many
             more
             to
             produce
             or
             demonstrate
             some
             such
             Effects
             of
             that
             Living
             Testimony
             ,
             Presence
             and
             Power
             of
             God
             among
             us
             ,
             as
             no
             false
             Church
             can
             produce
             ;
             although
             herein
             neither
             
               W.
               P.
            
             nor
             any
             of
             us
             ,
             will
             admit
             of
             Prejudiced
             &
             Envious
             Spirits
             to
             be
             our
             Judges
             or
             Witnesses
             in
             these
             matters
             ;
             but
             we
             have
             a
             Record
             in
             Heaven
             ,
             and
             also
             in
             many
             Consciences
             of
             the
             blessed
             Power
             and
             Presence
             of
             God
             with
             us
             &
             amongst
             us
             ,
             
               Turning
               many
               from
               Darkness
               to
               Light
               ,
               and
               from
               Satan's
               Power
               to
               God
            
             :
             And
             many
             there
             are
             among
             us
             ,
             gathered
             out
             from
             Baptists
             ,
             and
             other
             Churches
             and
             Peoples
             ,
             who
             are
             Living
             Witnesses
             both
             of
             the
             blessed
             Operation
             and
             Effects
             of
             the
             Power
             and
             Ministry
             of
             Christ
             Jesus
             among
             us
             ,
             which
             yet
             if
             the
             Baptists
             should
             object
             and
             say
             ,
             
               They
               see
               no
               such
               thing
            
             ,
             I
             answer
             ,
             
             
               That
               is
               ,
               because
               they
               have
               not
               Honestly
               made
               Tryal
               ,
               but
               stood
               in
               Prejudice
               and
               Gainsaying
               ,
               as
               many
               did
               against
               Christ
               ,
               the
               Apostles
               and
               Primitive
               Church
               of
               old
            
             :
             However
             it
             is
             very
             Uncharitable
             for
             them
             ,
             to
             conclude
             us
             
               No
               Christians
            
             ;
             Either
             because
             
               They
               will
               not
               see
               us
               to
               be
               such
               ,
            
             or
             because
             that
             at
             their
             faithless
             Demands
             ,
             
               We
               do
               not
               produce
               such
               mighty
               Signs
               ,
            
             as
             they
             call
             for
             in
             their
             own
             Wills
             and
             Times
             ;
             
               But
               a
               Foolish
               &
               Adulterous
               Generation
               seeks
               a
               Sign
            
             —
             being
             in
             the
             Unbelief
             ,
             not
             acknowledging
             the
             
               Sufficiency
               of
               the
               Spirit
               's
               Teaching
               and
               Evidence
               ,
            
             in
             that
             they
             own
             not
             the
             
               SPIRIT
               to
               be
               their
               RULE
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Sect.
             IV.
             The
             Quakers
             clear
             from
             L.
             Muggleton's
             Principles
             ,
             and
             the
             Baptists
             Agent
             's
             comparing
             them
             together
             ,
             proved
             Scandalous
             and
             Wicked
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           
             TOuching
             the
             Comparison
             that
             is
             made
             between
             the
             Quakers
             and
             Muggletonians
             ,
             
             it
             's
             both
             Idle
             Quibbling
             and
             Envious
             Canting
             to
             traduce
             and
             scandalize
             us
             ;
             what
             if
             W.
             P.
             does
             not
             pretend
             to
             more
             then
             Muggleton
             does
             (
             nor
             to
             so
             much
             in
             some
             things
             )
             does
             it
             therefore
             follow
             ,
             the
             Quakers
             
               are
               Impostors
            
             ,
             or
             like
             him
             ,
             who
             holds
             apparent
             Blasphemies
             in
             many
             Things
             ,
             wherein
             W.
             P.
             and
             others
             of
             us
             have
             given
             publick
             Testimonies
             against
             him
             ?
             The
             Baptists
             may
             be
             ashamed
             of
             such
             gross
             and
             abusive
             Insinuations
             as
             this
             ,
             comparing
             the
             Quakers
             and
             Muggletonians
             ;
             yea
             ,
             and
             that
             in
             some
             Things
             wherein
             the
             Baptists
             and
             Muggletonians
             might
             as
             well
             ,
             yea
             ,
             and
             more
             truly
             be
             compared
             :
             As
             where
             it
             is
             said
             ,
             Muggleton
             sayes
             ,
             
               He
               is
               one
               of
               the
               two
               Witnesses
               spoaken
               of
               in
            
             Rev.
             11.
             
               that
               God
               hath
               given
               Power
               to
               prophesie
               ;
               and
               the
            
             Quakers
             
               say
               ,
               they
               are
               the
               true
               VVitnesses
               to
               the
               Light
               ,
               and
               have
               received
               Power
               to
               preach
               the
               Everlasting
               Gospel
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             And
             I
             may
             as
             well
             add
             ,
             do
             not
             the
             Baptists
             profess
             themselves
             both
             to
             be
             
               true
               Witnesses
            
             of
             
               the
               Christ
               of
               God
            
             ,
             and
             Preachers
             of
             him
             too
             ?
             Muggleton
             
               hath
               several
               Disciples
               and
               Followers
               that
               believe
               him
               ,
               and
               so
               have
               the
            
             Baptists
             .
             Muggleton
             
               curses
               and
               damns
               the
            
             Quakers
             ;
             
               and
               what
               do
            
             Baptists
             
               less
               to
            
             Quakers
             
               and
               all
               others
               that
               will
               not
               be
               dipt
               by
               them
               ,
               or
               do
               oppose
               them
               .
            
             But
             
             
               
                 1.
                 
                 Muggleton
                 sayes
                 ,
                 
                   He
                   has
                   received
                   Commission
                   from
                   Heaven
                   .
                
              
               
                 2.
                 
                 
                   That
                   he
                   had
                   it
                   by
                   divine
                   Revelation
                   .
                
              
               
                 3.
                 
                 
                   That
                   he
                   is
                   inspired
                   by
                   the
                   Spirit
                   of
                   God.
                   
                
              
               
                 4.
                 
                 
                   That
                   he
                   pretends
                   to
                   Infallibility
                
                 .
              
            
          
           
             And
             what
             if
             Quakers
             pretend
             to
             these
             ,
             as
             led
             by
             the
             Spirit
             of
             Truth
             ?
             The
             Apostles
             and
             true
             Church
             did
             not
             only
             pretend
             to
             ,
             but
             experience
             the
             same
             ,
             does
             it
             therefore
             follow
             that
             they
             must
             be
             compared
             with
             the
             Muggletonians
             ,
             and
             be
             deemed
             Impostors
             ;
             And
             the
             Baptists
             the
             true
             Ministry
             and
             Church
             ,
             and
             yet
             have
             no
             Commission
             from
             Heaven
             ,
             either
             to
             dip
             or
             damn
             People
             ;
             but
             deny
             divine
             Revelation
             ,
             immediate
             Inspiration
             and
             Infallibility
             ?
             Let
             them
             answer
             for
             themselves
             .
          
           
             It
             's
             said
             ,
             Muggleton
             
               denyes
               that
               the
               Father
               and
               Son
               are
               two
               distinct
               Persons
            
             :
             And
             have
             not
             the
             Baptists
             done
             as
             much
             in
             these
             Words
             ;
             
               Jesus
               Christ
               ,
               God
               ,
               Man
               ,
               a
               Person
               without
               you
            
             ?
             See
             Dial.
             1.
             p.
             9.
             wherein
             they
             imply
             the
             Father
             and
             the
             Son
             ,
             or
             God
             and
             the
             Man
             Christ
             ,
             to
             be
             but
             one
             Person
             without
             us
             ;
             whereas
             we
             tell
             them
             't
             is
             not
             a
             Scripture-Phrase
             .
          
           
             But
             seeing
             Muggleton
             pretends
             some
             Things
             that
             both
             the
             Baptists
             and
             Quakers
             hold
             ;
             would
             the
             Baptists
             be
             therefore
             included
             
             in
             the
             Comparison
             with
             the
             Muggletonians
             ?
             Might
             they
             not
             at
             this
             rate
             as
             well
             make
             all
             Protestants
             to
             be
             Papists
             ;
             yea
             ,
             
               Jews
               ,
               Mahometans
            
             ,
             &c.
             because
             all
             agree
             in
             some
             Truths
             ?
          
           
             But
             the
             Comparison-Maker
             was
             not
             so
             honest
             as
             to
             shew
             wherein
             the
             Quakers
             differ
             with
             and
             oppose
             Muggleton
             ,
             as
             a
             Blasphemer
             and
             Impostor
             :
             As
             Muggleton
             holds
             these
             false
             and
             Blasphemous
             Doctrines
             ,
             which
             the
             Quakers
             utterly
             deny
             .
          
           
             
               1.
               
               
                 That
                 the
                 Breath
                 of
                 Life
                 God
                 breathed
                 into
              
               Adam
               
                 (
                 which
                 made
                 his
                 Soul
                 to
                 live
                 )
                 is
                 mortal
                 and
                 doth
                 dye
                 .
              
            
             
               2.
               
               That
               Adam
               '
               
                 s
                 Soul
                 did
                 dye
              
               ,
               viz.
               
                 with
                 the
                 Body
              
               .
            
             
               3.
               
               
                 That
                 the
                 Soul
                 of
                 Man
                 is
                 mortal
                 .
              
               Do
               not
               some
               of
               the
               Baptists
               hold
               the
               same
               ?
            
             
               4.
               
               
                 That
                 to
                 say
                 ,
                 the
                 Soul
                 departs
                 from
                 ,
                 or
                 slips
                 out
                 of
                 the
                 Body
                 ,
                 when
                 it
                 dyes
                 ,
                 is
                 an
                 ignorant
                 ,
                 dark
                 Opinion
                 of
                 most
                 People
                 ,
                 contrary
                 to
                 Sense
                 ,
                 Reason
                 or
                 Faith.
                 
              
            
             
               5.
               
               
                 That
                 Death
                 took
                 Christ's
                 Soul
                 into
                 it
                 .
              
            
             
               6.
               
               That
               Lazarus
               
                 his
                 Soul
                 was
                 dead
                 in
                 the
                 Grave
                 ,
                 where
                 his
                 Body
                 was
                 those
                 four
                 Dayes
                 .
              
            
             
               7.
               
               
                 That
                 not
                 only
              
               Adam
               '
               
                 s
                 Soul
                 did
                 dye
                 ,
                 but
                 also
                 that
                 the
                 Soul
                 of
                 Christ
                 did
                 dye
                 .
              
            
             
               8.
               
               
                 That
                 all
                 mens
                 Souls
                 ever
                 since
                 are
                 dead
                 being
                 mortal
                 .
              
               
               
                 Thus
                 far
                 all
                 the
                 Baptists
                 ,
                 who
                 hold
                 the
                 Mortality
                 of
                 the
                 Soul
                 ,
                 agree
                 with
                 Muggleton
                 .
              
            
             
               9.
               
               That
               Solomon
               
                 was
                 ignorant
                 in
                 this
                 Point
                 (
                 in
                 saying
                 )
                 the
                 Body
                 to
                 the
                 Dust
                 ,
                 and
                 the
                 Spirit
                 returns
                 to
                 God
                 that
                 gave
                 it
                 .
              
            
             
               10.
               
               
                 That
                 God
                 was
                 born
                 of
              
               Mary
               .
            
             
               11.
               
               
                 That
                 God
                 is
                 not
                 an
                 Infinite
                 Spirit
                 filling
                 all
                 Places
                 .
              
            
             
               12.
               
               
                 That
                 the
                 Godhead
                 -
                 Life
                 dyed
                 ,
                 that
                 when
                 Christ
                 dyed
                 ,
                 God
                 dyed
                 .
              
            
             
               13.
               
               
                 That
                 Christ
                 ,
                 being
                 God
                 embodyed
                 with
                 Flesh
                 and
                 Bone
                 (
                 one
                 Person
                 without
                 us
                 )
                 cannot
                 be
                 in
                 the
              
               Quakers
               .
            
             
               14.
               
               
                 That
                 there
                 are
                 many
                 vast
                 Places
                 in
                 the
                 Earth
                 where
                 God
                 is
                 not
                 at
                 all
                 .
              
            
             
               15.
               
               
                 That
                 God
                 himself
                 is
                 a
                 single
                 Person
                 ,
                 in
                 Form
                 of
                 a
                 Man
                 ,
                 and
                 no
                 bigger
                 in
                 Compass
                 and
                 Bulk
                 (
                 and
                 was
                 so
                 from
                 Eternity
                 )
                 then
                 a
                 Man
                 ,
                 even
                 of
                 the
                 same
                 Stature
                 as
                 the
                 first
              
               Adam
               was
               .
            
             
               16.
               
               
                 That
                 Reason
                 is
                 the
                 Devil
              
               .
            
             
               17.
               
               
                 That
                 all
                 Men
                 have
                 received
                 the
                 Seed
                 (
                 or
                 Spirit
                 of
                 Reason
                 )
                 from
                 the
                 Devil
                 or
                 raprobate
                 Angel.
                 
              
            
             
               18.
               
               
                 That
                 the
                 Devil
                 became
                 Flesh
                 ,
                 Blood
                 and
                 Bone.
                 
              
            
             
               19.
               
               That
               Cain
               
                 was
                 none
                 of
              
               Adam
               '
               
                 s
                 Son
                 or
                 Begetting
                 ,
                 but
                 the
                 first
                 Devil
                 in
                 Flesh.
                 
              
            
             
               20.
               
               That
               Eve
               
                 was
                 with
                 Child
                 of
              
               Cain
               
                 by
                 
                 the
                 Serpent-Angel
                 before
              
               Adam
               
                 knew
                 her
              
               .
            
             
               21.
               
               
                 That
                 then
                 the
                 Condition
                 of
              
               Eve
               
                 was
                 much
                 like
                 the
                 Condition
                 of
              
               Mary
               
                 the
                 Virgin
                 ,
                 being
                 with
                 Child
                 by
                 the
                 Holy
                 Ghost
                 before
              
               Joseph
               
                 knew
                 her
              
               .
            
             
               22.
               
               
                 That
                 the
                 Devil
                 that
                 tempted
                 Christ
                 ,
                 was
                 a
                 Man.
                 
              
            
          
           
             Thus
             far
             of
             Muggleton
             in
             his
             
               Looking-Glass
               for
            
             G.
             Fox
             ;
             and
             other
             Books
             of
             his
             and
             John
             Reeve's
             ,
             are
             replenisht
             with
             such
             absurd
             and
             blasphemous
             Stuff
             which
             we
             never
             were
             guilty
             of
             ,
             but
             alwayes
             abhorred
             ,
             and
             often
             testified
             against
             ,
             as
             we
             have
             had
             Occasion
             ;
             therefore
             let
             the
             World
             judge
             how
             grosly
             and
             wickedly
             we
             are
             dealt
             with
             and
             scandalized
             in
             the
             Baptists
             or
             their
             Abettors
             ,
             comparing
             us
             with
             Muggleton
             ,
             between
             whom
             there
             is
             as
             much
             Distance
             and
             Opposition
             ,
             as
             betwixt
             Heaven
             and
             Hell
             ,
             Light
             and
             Darkness
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             V.
             The
             Quakers
             furher
             unjustly
             compared
             ,
             and
             Baptists
             proved
             to
             Deny
             the
             Divinity
             of
             Christ.
             
          
           
             Pag.
             36.
             
             BUt
             we
             are
             further
             catechised
             :
             
               If
               our
               Ministers
               ought
               to
               be
               believed
               on
               easier
               Terms
               then
               Christ
               and
               ●is
            
             Ministers
             were
             (
             that
             is
             ,
             on
             such
             Signs
             ,
             and
             Wonders
             ,
             and
             Miracles
             ,
             and
             Gifts
             of
             the
             Holy
             Ghost
             ,
             as
             God
             did
             bear
             them
             witness
             with
             ,
             Acts
             2.22
             .
             Heb.
             2.3
             ,
             4.
             )
             And
             why
             must
             we
             be
             put
             upon
             this
             Proof
             ,
             or
             else
             be
             judg'd
             not
             only
             
               No
               Christians
               ,
               but
               Impostors
            
             ?
             but
             because
             we
             bring
             
               New
               Doctrines
               and
               New
               Revelations
            
             (
             as
             we
             are
             accused
             )
             But
             what
             these
             New
             ones
             are
             ,
             and
             wherein
             contrary
             to
             the
             ancient
             Christian
             Apostolical
             Doctrines
             ,
             we
             are
             not
             yet
             convinc'd
             by
             all
             the
             Oppositions
             we
             have
             met
             withal
             .
          
           
             It
             is
             further
             added
             ,
             That
             
               some
               of
               which
               are
               not
               such
               New
               Discoveries
               from
               Heaven
               manifest
               by
               the
               Light
               within
               ,
               as
               pretended
               ,
               being
               in
               Truth
               but
               the
               Old
               Fancies
               of
            
             Sabellius
             
               revived
               
               and
               new
               vampt
               ,
               not
               heard
               of
               till
               long
               after
            
             Christ
             ,
             
               and
               then
               quickly
               exploded
               the
               Church
               about
            
             1400.
             
             
               Years
               ago
            
             ,
             pag.
             36.
             
          
           
             I
             must
             needs
             say
             ,
             that
             as
             this
             Accuser's
             smiting
             at
             us
             is
             in
             the
             dark
             herein
             ;
             for
             he
             does
             not
             lay
             down
             these
             old
             exploded
             Fancies
             of
             Sabellius
             ,
             or
             tell
             us
             particularly
             what
             they
             are
             ,
             but
             thus
             in
             dark
             &
             general
             Terms
             is
             smiting
             and
             squibbing
             at
             us
             ,
             and
             abusing
             his
             Readers
             ,
             as
             if
             they
             were
             all
             bound
             to
             believe
             his
             Accusations
             on
             his
             bare
             Word
             :
             But
             what
             were
             those
             Fancies
             or
             Opinions
             of
             Sabellius
             ,
             and
             such
             others
             that
             were
             exploded
             as
             Heterodox
             or
             Heretical
             ?
             It
             's
             reported
             ,
             
               That
               their
               Books
               contain
               many
               Blasphemies
               against
               the
               Almighty
               God
               ,
               and
               Father
               of
               our
               Lord
               Jesus
               Christ
               ,
               and
               withal
               ,
               much
               Incredulity
               touching
               his
               only-begotten
               Son
               and
               First
               begotten
               of
               all
               Creatures
               ,
               and
               the
               word
               Incarnate
               ,
               and
               senseless
               Ignorance
               of
               the
               Holy
               Ghost
               ,
               Euseb.
               lib.
               7.
               fol.
               125.
               ch
               .
               5.
               
               As
               also
               those
               that
               denyed
               Christ
               to
               have
               been
               God
               from
               Everlasting
               ,
               and
               affirm'd
               ,
               that
               by
               Nature
               he
               was
               but
               only
               
                 a
                 bare
                 Man
              
               ;
               as
               it
               is
               said
               the
               Followers
               of
               
                 Paulus
                 Samosatenus
              
               did
               :
               Such
               disapprov'd
               the
               
                 Essence
                 and
                 Divinity
              
               of
               Christ
               ,
               
                 which
                 hath
              
               been
               
                 before
                 all
                 Worlds
                 ;
                 and
                 such
                 as
                 confound
                 the
                 Father
                 ,
                 the
                 Son
                 and
                 Holy
                 Ghost
                 ,
                 
                 imagining
                 Three
                 Names
                 in
                 One
                 Thing
                 and
                 in
                 One
                 Person
                 ,
              
               
                 Soc.
                 Schol.
                 l.
                 2.
                 ch
                 .
                 15.
                 
              
            
          
           
             But
             we
             are
             sure
             that
             we
             are
             
               clear
               from
            
             all
             such
             Opinions
             ,
             as
             
               Denying
               the
               Deity
               or
               Divinity
               of
               the
               Son
               of
               God
               ,
            
             or
             his
             being
             that
             Word
             that
             became
             Flesh
             ,
             and
             so
             from
             affirming
             him
             to
             be
             butonly
             
               a
               bare
               Man
            
             :
             As
             also
             we
             never
             went
             about
             to
             confound
             the
             Father
             and
             Son
             ,
             truly
             con●●der'd
             according
             to
             Scripture-Testimony
             ;
             or
             to
             deny
             either
             the
             
               Property
               ,
               Relation
               ,
               Manifestation
               or
               Operation
               of
               Father
               or
               Son
               ;
               though
               the
               one
            
             Divine
             Being
             
               of
               Father
               ,
               Son
               and
               Holy
               Spirit
               from
               Everlasting
               ,
            
             we
             have
             and
             must
             confess
             ;
             Let
             it
             suffice
             ,
             that
             as
             we
             confess
             to
             the
             
             Father's
             bringing
             or
             sending
             forth
             the
             Son
             ,
             both
             from
             his
             own
             Being
             and
             Substance
             ;
             as
             also
             to
             his
             taking
             Flesh
             and
             the
             perfect
             Manhood
             upon
             him
             in
             due
             time
             ;
             and
             that
             we
             really
             believe
             his
             Sonship
             (
             and
             all
             this
             according
             to
             Scripture
             )
             so
             that
             he
             was
             and
             is
             the
             
               Christ
               of
               God
            
             ,
             the
             same
             yesterday
             ,
             to
             day
             and
             for
             ever
             ;
             And
             therefore
             to
             compare
             us
             with
             Sabellius
             ,
             or
             such
             as
             before
             mention'd
             ,
             is
             very
             Envious
             and
             Unjust
             .
          
           
             But
             that
             Baptists
             have
             done
             no
             less
             then
             denyed
             the
             
               Deity
               of
               the
               Son
               of
               God
               ,
            
             or
             
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
            
             ,
             appears
             in
             what
             follows
             .
          
           
             John
             Newman's
             Argument
             :
          
           
             
               If
               Christ
               as
               Christ
               ,
               was
               not
               from
               the
               Beginning
               ;
               
               then
               Christ
               was
               not
               the
               Word
               from
               ●he
               Beginning
            
             :
          
           
             
               But
               Christ
            
             as
             
               Christ
               ,
               was
               not
               from
               the
               Beginning
            
             ;
          
           
             Therefore
             ,
             
               Christ
               was
               not
               the
               Word
               from
               the
               Beginning
               ,
            
             pag.
             52.
             of
             his
             Book
             ,
             entitul'd
             
               The
               Light
               Within
            
             .
          
           
             Mark
             here
             ,
             Though
             he
             grants
             Christ
             and
             the
             Word
             to
             be
             one
             and
             the
             same
             ;
             yet
             this
             Argument
             denyes
             him
             to
             be
             either
             Christ
             ,
             or
             the
             Word
             from
             the
             Beginning
             :
             What
             was
             he
             then
             ?
             He
             tells
             us
             not
             .
             Doth
             not
             this
             oppose
             the
             
               Divinity
               of
               Christ
            
             ,
             or
             
               Deity
               of
               the
               Son
               of
               God
            
             ?
             to
             affirm
             ,
             that
             He
             was
             neither
             as
             Christ
             ,
             nor
             the
             Word
             from
             the
             Beginning
             ;
             for
             ,
             
               The
               Word
               was
               with
               God
               ,
               and
               the
               Word
               was
               God.
               
            
          
           
             And
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             among
             much
             more
             of
             his
             idle
             Quibbling
             and
             Opposition
             ,
             thus
             queries
             ,
             viz.
             
          
           
             
               I
               ask
               thee
               ,
               if
               Christ
               signifie
               Anointed
               ,
               and
               God
               be
               Christ
               ,
               as
               thou
            
             [
             Quaker
             ]
             
               affirmest
               ,
               Whether
               God
               himself
               e
               anointed
            
             ?
             Dial.
             3.
             pag.
             32.
             
          
           
             Mark
             here
             who
             is
             the
             Quibbler
             irreverently
             reflecting
             upon
             Scripture-Language
             ,
             But
             unto
             the
             Son
             he
             saith
             ,
             
               Thy
               Throne
               ,
               O
               God!
               is
               for
               ever
               ;
               a
               Scepter
               of
               Righteousness
               is
               the
               Scepter
               of
               thy
               Kingdom
               ;
               Thou
               hast
               loved
               Righteousness
               and
               hated
               Iniquity
               ;
               Therefore
               
               God
               ,
               even
               thy
               God
               ,
               hath
               anointed
               thee
               with
               the
               Oyl
               of
               Gladness
               above
               thy
               Fellows
               ,
            
             Hebr.
             1.8
             ,
             9.
             
             Psal.
             45.6
             ,
             7.
             
             But
             these
             Baptists
             are
             willing
             to
             throw
             off
             God
             being
             Christ
             ,
             with
             [
             
               as
               thou
               affirmest
            
             ]
             which
             is
             not
             ,
             
               as
               they
               affirm
               them
            
             ;
             I
             ask
             then
             ,
             
               If
               they
               own
               that
            
             Christ
             
               is
               God
               ?
               Or
               that
               as
               the
            
             Son
             (
             
               who
               is
            
             God
             )
             
               he
               be
               anointed
            
             as
             
               he
               is
               the
               Son
            
             ?
             And
             If
             He
             
               was
               the
            
             Son
             of
             God
             ,
             
               and
               so
            
             Christ
             ,
             
               before
               his
               Incarnation
               or
               assuming
               Flesh
            
             ?
             However
             these
             men
             appear
             Socinianized
             now
             ,
             and
             boggle
             at
             this
             Pre-Existence
             of
             Christ
             ,
             and
             seem
             to
             define
             or
             limit
             him
             ,
             only
             
               as
               a
               Person
               without
               us
               in
               Flesh
            
             ;
             yet
             formerly
             some
             of
             their
             Brethren
             have
             confessed
             ,
             That
             Christ
             is
             God
             ,
             That
             Christ
             
               is
               call'd
               the
            
             Spirit
             ,
             2
             Cor.
             3.17
             yea
             ,
             that
             
               The
               Father
               hath
               put
               his
               Name
               upon
               him
               ,
            
             Exod.
             23.21
             .
             And
             that
             it
             is
             the
             Christ
             that
             is
             
               there
               spoaken
               of
            
             ,
             is
             manifest
             ,
             
               That
               the
               Father
               hath
               put
               his
               Name
               upon
               him
               ,
            
             so
             far
             as
             He
             is
             call'd
             the
             Father
             ,
             Isa.
             9.6
             .
             See
             their
             Book
             ,
             entitul'd
             ,
             
               A
               Way
               to
               Zion
            
             ,
             p.
             102.
             
          
           
             I
             pass
             by
             several
             Falshoods
             ,
             traducing
             and
             canting
             Language
             in
             the
             said
             
               Qu.
               Quibbles
            
             ;
             and
             grant
             that
             at
             length
             ,
             that
             the
             Author
             hath
             shewn
             himself
             more
             ingenious
             then
             in
             all
             the
             Book
             besides
             ,
             where
             he
             concludes
             thus
             ,
             viz.
             
             
               If
               I
               have
               mistaken
               thee
               ,
               or
               any
               of
               thy
               Friends
               ,
               it
               is
               not
               willingly
               ;
               and
               if
               thou
               shewst
               me
               honestly
               wherein
               ,
               I
               will
               beg
               thy
               Excuse
               ;
               I
               not
               pretending
               to
               Infallibility
               ,
               my
               Opinion
               being
               still
               so
               long
               as
               we
               are
               men
               ,
               in
               this
               Condition
               ,
               Humanum
               est
               errare
               .
            
             But
             he
             should
             have
             consider'd
             this
             at
             the
             Beginning
             of
             his
             Book
             ,
             and
             have
             been
             more
             submissive
             and
             gentle
             in
             his
             Work
             ,
             beeing
             so
             
               subject
               to
               Mistake
            
             .
          
        
      
       
         
           
           
           
             THE
             Second
             Treatise
             ,
             Wherein
             the
             Forgers
             Compurgators
             Are
             IMPEACHED
             ,
          
           
             In
             a
             strict
             Examination
             of
             divers
             Citations
             and
             Doctrinal
             Matters
             in
             their
             Book
             ,
             entituled
             ,
             The
             Quakers
             
               Appeal
               answered
               ,
               or
               a
               full
               Relation
               of
               the
               Occasion
               ,
               Progress
               and
               Issue
               of
               a
               Meeting
            
             held
             
               in
               Barbican
            
             the
             28th
             of
             August
             last
             past
             (
             as
             their
             Style
             is
             .
             )
          
           
             Which
             Meeting
             was
             held
             by
             the
             Baptists
             to
             clear
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             to
             charge
             and
             insult
             over
             the
             Quakers
             in
             their
             Absence
             ,
             as
             the
             Mannagement
             and
             Issue
             thereof
             hath
             manifested
          
           
             This
             is
             published
             not
             only
             for
             want
             of
             Justice
             from
             them
             ,
             but
             because
             of
             the
             Injustice
             of
             those
             Baptists
             so
             deeply
             concerned
             for
             their
             Brother
             
               Tho.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             against
             the
             People
             of
             God
             called
             Quakers
          
           
             George
             Whitehead
             .
          
           
             
               He
               looked
               for
               Iudgment
               ,
               but
               behold
               Oppression
               ;
               for
            
             
               Righteousness
               ,
               but
               behold
               a
               Cry
            
             
               Under
               Falshood
               have
               they
               hid
               themselves
               .
            
          
        
         
           
           
           
             THE
             Second
             Treatise
             ,
             Wherein
             the
             
               Forger's
               Compurgators
            
             are
             Impeached
             .
          
           
             A
             Brief
             Introduction
             .
          
           
             THat
             these
             Men
             ,
             who
             have
             undertaken
             to
             answer
             our
             Appeal
             against
             
               Tho.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             have
             pretended
             very
             fair
             in
             Words
             ,
             is
             undeniable
             ;
             but
             how
             they
             have
             performed
             and
             answered
             is
             already
             manifest
             ,
             and
             will
             further
             appear
             in
             divers
             Particulars
             ,
             wherein
             I
             do
             complain
             against
             them
             both
             of
             their
             
               Injustice
               ,
               Partiality
            
             and
             
               false
               Testimony
            
             ,
             and
             affirm
             that
             they
             have
             neither
             approv'd
             themselves
             
               Just
               Judges
            
             ,
             nor
             
               faithful
               Witnesses
            
             ,
             in
             matters
             plain
             ,
             and
             obvious
             (
             nor
             yet
             clear'd
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             )
          
           
             In
             their
             Title-Page
             they
             say
             ,
             
               Wherein
               the
               Allegations
               of
            
             William
             Penn
             
               in
               two
               Books
               lately
               published
               by
               him
               against
            
             T.
             Hicks
             ,
             
               were
               answer'd
               and
               disproved
            
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             a
             manifest
             Vntruth
             as
             any
             Impartial
             Eye
             may
             see
             who
             is
             willing
             but
             to
             compare
             
             this
             their
             Barbican
             Relation
             ,
             styl'd
             The
             Quakers
             
               Appeal
               answered
            
             ,
             with
             W.
             Penn's
             two
             Books
             ,
             the
             one
             entitul'd
             
               Reason
               against
               Railing
            
             ,
             and
             the
             other
             ,
             
               The
               Counterfit
            
             Christian
             detected
             ;
             wherein
             many
             things
             are
             alledged
             and
             charged
             against
             
               T
               Hicks
            
             ,
             both
             of
             
               vile
               Forgeries
               ,
               black
               Slanders
               ,
               gross
               Perversions
               ,
               self-Contradictions
               ,
               &c.
            
             which
             are
             not
             so
             much
             as
             particulary
             mention'd
             ,
             or
             touch'd
             in
             their
             said
             Relation
             ;
             and
             some
             of
             those
             things
             they
             have
             medled
             with
             ,
             were
             never
             so
             charg'd
             upon
             him
             ,
             as
             under
             the
             Notion
             of
             
               vile
               Forgeries
               ,
               &c.
            
             nor
             in
             such
             things
             wherein
             he
             had
             truly
             cited
             our
             Words
             :
             We
             have
             not
             charg'd
             him
             for
             
               True
               Citations
            
             ,
             nor
             for
             meer
             Mistakes
             ;
             but
             ,
             for
             plain
             
               Forgeries
               ,
               Falshoods
            
             ,
             and
             Slanders
             wilfully
             contrived
             by
             himself
             (
             about
             which
             ,
             and
             not
             to
             judge
             of
             Doctrine
             ,
             the
             Appeal
             was
             made
             )
             as
             doth
             appear
             in
             the
             two
             Books
             ,
             and
             our
             late
             Charge
             exhibited
             agaist
             him
             ,
             which
             we
             could
             never
             obtain
             a
             fair
             Tryal
             of
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             upon
             ,
             from
             these
             his
             
               Abettors
               &
               Compurgators
            
             ,
             but
             Diversions
             and
             Interruptions
             ,
             as
             the
             late
             Meetings
             with
             them
             ,
             at
             Barbican
             and
             near
             Spitlefields
             ,
             did
             witness
             ,
             contrary
             to
             their
             fair
             and
             smooth
             Pretences
             following
             ,
             viz.
             
          
           
             
               Now
               forasmuch
               as
            
             T.
             Hicks
             
               is
               a
               Member
               with
               us
               ,
               having
               so
               heavy
               a
               Charge
               exhibited
               
               against
               him
               ,
            
             viz.
             
               a
               FORGER
               and
               LYAR
               ,
               we
               could
               do
               no
               less
               then
               desire
            
             T.H.
             
               to
               give
               us
               a
               Publick
               Meeting
               ,
               that
               we
               might
               hear
            
             *
             
               what
               he
               could
               say
               hereunto
               ;
               and
               if
               he
               had
               done
               them
            
             ANY
             WRONG
             ,
             
               either
               by
               Misquoting
               of
               them
               in
               any
               of
               their
               Books
               ,
               or
               Slandering
               of
               them
               in
               any
               thing
               he
               had
               charged
               them
               with
               ,
               that
               we
               might
               ,
               if
               any
               such
               thing
               appear'd
               ,
               discharge
               that
               Duty
               towards
               him
               as
               becomes
               us
               ,
            
             viz.
             
               Either
               to
               bring
               him
               to
               acknowledge
               his
               Evil
               as
               publickly
               as
               he
               had
               wrong'd
               them
               ;
               or
               to
               have
               disown'd
               him
               as
               a
               Person
               unworthy
               of
               Countenance
               among
               us
               ,
               in
               case
               he
               should
               refuse
               so
               to
               do
               ,
               it
               being
               altogether
               contrary
               to
               our
               Principle
               and
               Practice
               to
               allow
               any
               among
               us
               ,
               that
               shall
               either
               in
            
             WORD
             or
             DEED
             
               wrong
               any
               sort
               of
               Men.
            
             
          
           
             To
             their
             Letter
             annexed
             thereunto
             these
             Names
             are
             subscribed
             .
          
           
             
               
                 William
                 Kiffin
              
               ,
            
             
               
                 Thomas
                 Paul
              
               ,
            
             
               
                 Henry
                 Forty
              
               ,
            
             
               
                 Hanson
                 Knowls
              
               ,
            
             
               
                 Laurence
                 Wyse
              
               ,
            
             
               
                 James
                 Jones
              
               .
            
          
           
             And
             further
             in
             their
             Epistle
             they
             proceed
             ,
             viz.
             
          
           
             
               According
               to
               the
               Time
               appointed
               we
               did
               meet
            
             ;
             T.
             Hicks
             
               charg'd
               them
               with
               several
               Opinions
               ,
               and
               produced
               the
               Books
               of
               such
               as
               have
               been
               
               and
               now
               are
               chief
               Leaders
               among
               the
            
             Quakers
             ,
             
               for
               his
               own
               Discharge
               from
               Forgery
               ;
               and
               that
               all
               Plainness
               might
               appear
               ,
               we
               ordered
               another
               Person
               in
               the
               Meeting
               to
               read
               the
               said
               Books
               according
               as
               they
               were
               cited
               by
            
             T.
             Hicks
             :
             
               Vpon
               the
               reading
               of
               which
               we
               found
               them
               to
               agree
               with
               what
               he
               had
               laid
               to
               the
            
             Quakers
             
               Charge
               ,
               which
               the
               following
               Narrative
               will
               give
               you
               a
               more
               full
               Account
               of
               ;
               So
               that
               hitherto
               we
               see
               no
               Cause
               of
               just
               Blame
               to
               be
               laid
               upon
            
             T.
             Hicks
             .
          
           
             [
             And
             further
             they
             add
             ]
             
               That
               if
            
             W.
             Penn
             ,
             or
             G.
             Whitehead
             ,
             
               or
               any
               other
               leading
            
             Quaker
             
               have
               any
               New
               Matter
               to
               object
               against
            
             T.
             Hicks
             ,
             
               of
               which
               he
               hath
               not
               clear'd
               himself
               publickly
               :
               If
               they
               please
               to
               signifie
               the
               Particulars
               thereof
               to
               us
               in
               Writing
               ,
               with
               their
               Hands
               to
               it
               ,
               we
               shall
               return
               such
               Answer
               thereunto
               ,
               either
               by
               a
               Publick
               Meeting
               ,
               or
               otherwise
               ,
               as
               to
               us
               may
               seem
               just
               ,
               and
               that
               may
               be
               to
               the
               Satisfaction
               of
               all
               indifferent
               and
               unprejudiced
               Minds
               ;
               for
               we
               hope
               that
               nothing
               shall
               lye
               upon
               us
               in
               point
               of
               Duty
               towards
            
             T.H.
             
               but
               that
               by
               the
               Grace
               of
               God
               we
               shall
               be
               ready
               to
               do
               it
               .
            
          
           
             
               William
               Kissin
               ,
            
             
               Thomas
               Paul
               ,
            
             
               Daniel
               Dyke
               ,
            
             
               Hanson
               Knowls
               ,
            
             
               Henry
               Forty
               .
            
          
           
           
             From
             all
             which
             it
             may
             be
             observ'd
             their
             fair
             Pretence
             in
             the
             first
             place
             ,
             
               That
               if
            
             T.H.
             
               had
               done
               us
               any
               Wrong
               ,
               either
               by
            
             Misquoting
             or
             Slandering
             
               us
               ,
               their
               Duty
               had
               been
               cut
               her
               to
               bring
               him
               to
               acknowledge
               his
               Evil
               as
               publickly
               as
               he
               had
               wronged
               us
               ,
               or
               to
               have
               disowned
               him
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             1.
             
             Neither
             of
             which
             They
             have
             done
             ,
             though
             his
             Slanders
             are
             made
             appear
             in
             W.P.
             and
             my
             Answers
             ;
             as
             also
             when
             we
             prest
             for
             a
             further
             hearing
             thereof
             
               in
               publick
            
             ,
             we
             were
             by
             them
             diverted
             ;
             and
             since
             ,
             they
             proposed
             for
             a
             
               private
               Meeting
            
             ,
             to
             go
             through
             the
             Particulars
             of
             our
             Charge
             ;
             but
             some
             of
             their
             Proposals
             we
             could
             not
             yield
             to
             ,
             and
             our
             particular
             Answer
             thereunto
             ,
             with
             our
             Reasons
             how
             far
             we
             could
             comply
             ,
             they
             would
             not
             be
             so
             moderate
             as
             to
             treat
             about
             when
             it
             was
             read
             ,
             but
             parted
             in
             a
             Huff
             ,
             and
             after
             sent
             us
             an
             
               Angry
               Letter
            
             not
             at
             all
             tending
             to
             a
             Compliance
             ,
             or
             further
             Treating
             for
             a
             Meeting
             .
          
           
             2.
             
             And
             it
             is
             further
             to
             be
             observed
             ,
             that
             these
             men
             take
             it
             for
             granted
             ,
             that
             for
             those
             Opinions
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             charged
             us
             with
             ,
             he
             
               produced
               the
               Books
               of
               such
               as
               have
               been
               and
               now
               are
            
             CHIEFLY
             LEADERS
             
               among
               us
               ,
               for
               his
               own
               Discharge
               from
            
             Forgery
             ,
             
               and
               therefore
               that
               hitherto
               they
               see
               no
               Cause
               of
               just
               Blame
               to
               be
               laid
               upon
               him
            
             ;
             Whereas
             it
             will
             further
             
             appear
             ,
             that
             as
             to
             those
             Opinions
             he
             hath
             particularly
             charged
             upon
             us
             in
             their
             said
             Relation
             ,
             divers
             are
             Unfairly
             and
             Falsly
             cited
             ;
             others
             that
             concerned
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             not
             cited
             out
             of
             any
             of
             our
             Books
             ,
             or
             any
             one
             's
             that
             either
             is
             ,
             or
             ever
             was
             Eminent
             among
             us
             as
             Leaders
             ,
             or
             otherwise
             ,
             but
             Apostates
             and
             Adversaries
             ;
             Other
             things
             also
             for
             which
             he
             produceth
             no
             Citations
             ;
             others
             charged
             and
             cited
             out
             of
             his
             own
             Books
             ,
             which
             his
             pretended
             Proofs
             therein
             do
             not
             at
             all
             make
             good
             .
          
           
             3.
             
             That
             concerning
             the
             late
             Tryals
             that
             we
             have
             had
             of
             these
             Baptists
             in
             Publick
             ,
             their
             Carriage
             towards
             us
             hath
             not
             been
             to
             the
             Satisfaction
             of
             any
             indifferent
             or
             unprejudiced
             Minds
             ,
             who
             beheld
             them
             and
             their
             Injustice
             :
             But
             however
             ,
             this
             Good
             hath
             been
             brought
             forth
             ,
             
               That
               many
               are
               awakened
               ,
               and
               the
               Eyes
               of
               many
               are
               opened
               through
               these
            
             Bussels
             and
             Contests
             ,
             
               to
               take
               notice
               and
               s●e
               these
               men's
            
             Unfairness
             and
             Partiality
             ;
             
               and
               also
               to
               enquire
               more
               after
            
             Truth
             and
             Religion
             
               then
               heretofore
            
             .
          
           
             After
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             hath
             gone
             through
             the
             12.
             
             Particulars
             of
             his
             Charge
             that
             concern
             Doctrine
             ,
             and
             his
             19.
             that
             concern
             Fact
             ,
             together
             with
             those
             Quotations
             he
             pretends
             for
             
             Proof
             ,
             we
             have
             this
             Testimony
             given
             on
             his
             behalf
             :
             viz.
             
          
           
             
               
                 
                   
                     
                       We
                       whose
                       Names
                       are
                       here
                       underwritten
                       ,
                       do
                       certifie
                       ,
                       that
                       the
                       afore-said
                    
                     Quotations
                     are
                     truly
                     recited
                     
                       out
                       of
                       those
                       Books
                       to
                       which
                       they
                       refer
                       ,
                       witness
                       our
                       Hands
                       ,
                    
                  
                   
                     
                       
                         
                           
                             Daniel
                             Dyke
                          
                        
                         
                           
                             Hanson
                             Knowlls
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             John
                             Gosnel
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Thomas
                             Paul
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Henry
                             Forty
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             John
                             Norcot
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Thomas
                             Wilcock
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Robert
                             Snelling
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Maurice
                             King
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Jonathan
                             Jenings
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             John
                             Singleton
                          
                           ,
                           Dr.
                           
                        
                         
                           
                             Thomas
                             Plant
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Joseph
                             Morton
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Owen
                             Davis
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             John
                             Hunter
                          
                        
                         
                           
                             John
                             Snelling
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             William
                             Dix
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             John
                             Vernon
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Edward
                             Noble
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             Robert
                             Mason
                          
                           ,
                        
                         
                           
                             James
                             Barton
                          
                           .
                        
                      
                    
                  
                   
                     My
                     Occasion
                     calling
                     me
                     from
                     the
                     Meeting
                     before
                     the
                     End
                     thereof
                     ;
                     But
                     since
                     having
                     perused
                     the
                     Proofs
                     ,
                     by
                     Comparing
                     them
                     with
                     the
                     
                       Quakers
                       Books
                    
                     whence
                     they
                     are
                     cited
                     ,
                     I
                     find
                     them
                     to
                     agree
                     ;
                     witness
                     my
                     Hand
                     ,
                     
                       William
                       Kiffin
                       .
                    
                  
                
              
            
          
           
           
             Observe
             here
             how
             all
             these
             Men
             have
             engaged
             themselves
             for
             the
             clearing
             of
             T.
             H.
             and
             how
             they
             have
             espousd
             his
             Work
             against
             us
             ,
             so
             that
             they
             are
             now
             accountable
             for
             those
             his
             Miscarriages
             and
             Abuses
             in
             his
             Dialogues
             ,
             which
             we
             have
             charged
             upon
             him
             :
             And
             further
             see
             ,
             how
             he
             &
             they
             had
             laid
             and
             fitted
             their
             Matter
             for
             such
             a
             
               Publick
               Meeting
            
             ,
             mannaged
             on
             his
             Behalf
             in
             our
             Absence
             ,
             when
             W.P.
             and
             I
             were
             (
             as
             we
             had
             been
             some
             Time
             )
             remote
             from
             the
             City
             :
             And
             although
             
               W.
               Kiffin
            
             left
             the
             Meeting
             before
             the
             End
             thereof
             ,
             he
             could
             both
             be
             Judge
             and
             Witness
             (
             as
             well
             as
             the
             rest
             )
             for
             him
             ,
             from
             the
             Perusal
             and
             comparing
             of
             his
             Proofs
             with
             the
             Quakers
             Books
             (
             which
             the
             rest
             might
             have
             done
             privately
             as
             well
             )
             now
             my
             present
             Business
             is
             ,
             to
             prove
             them
             both
             Vnfair
             &
             
               False
               Witnesses
            
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             
               Vnjust
               Judges
            
             ,
             even
             as
             to
             Citations
             ,
             as
             will
             appear
             plainly
             (
             although
             they
             would
             fain
             have
             had
             us
             acquiesced
             with
             their
             Judgments
             ,
             as
             
               being
               Infallible
               Judges
            
             ,
             because
             
               appealed
               to
            
             )
             but
             here
             it
             s
             proved
             ,
             
               That
               the
            
             Quakers
             
               Books
               do
               not
               agree
               with
               what
            
             T.H.
             
               hath
               laid
               to
               their
               Charge
               ,
               and
               that
               all
               his
               Quotations
               are
               not
               truly
               recited
               out
               of
               their
               Books
            
             ;
             take
             these
             following
             Instances
             (
             being
             compared
             out
             of
             their
             own
             Relation
             aforesaid
             ,
             with
             what
             is
             briefly
             noted
             thereupon
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             I.
             About
             the
             Soul.
             
          
           
             BEcause
             T.
             H.
             hath
             made
             a
             great
             a
             doe
             divers
             Times
             about
             the
             Soul
             ,
             as
             charging
             it
             as
             the
             
               Quakers
               Opinion
            
             ;
             one
             white
             ,
             that
             
               the
               Soul
               is
               God
            
             ;
             another
             while
             ,
             that
             the
             
               Soul
               is
               Part
               of
               God
               ,
               and
               of
               God's
               Being
               ,
               without
               Beginning
               and
               Infinite
               .
            
             Dial.
             1.
             p.
             16.
             
             Dial.
             3.
             p.
             2.
             
             I
             shall
             begin
             with
             this
             ;
             where
             ,
             after
             he
             hath
             cited
             W.P.
             as
             charging
             T.H.
             with
             
               Perversion
               ,
               Iujustice
               ,
               Misciting
               and
               Abusing
               the
               true
               Meaning
               of
               what
               is
               truly
               cited
            
             :
             he
             here
             breaks
             off
             W.
             P.'s
             Words
             ,
             and
             then
             faith
             to
             his
             Auditors
             ,
             
               You
               hear
               what
            
             W.
             Penn
             ,
             
               hath
               said
               touching
               this
               Charge
            
             ,
             p.
             8.
             
             Whereas
             he
             hath
             but
             cited
             the
             Preamble
             of
             W.
             Penn's
             Answer
             ,
             and
             left
             out
             the
             very
             Substance
             thereof
             :
             See
             
               Reas.
               ag
               .
               Rail
            
             .
             p.
             65.
             
             Is
             this
             fair
             Dealing
             ,
             or
             true
             ;
             to
             say
             ,
             
               You
               have
               heard
               WHAT
            
             W.P.
             
               hath
               said
            
             ?
             when
             they
             have
             not
             heard
             the
             very
             Substance
             and
             chief
             Part
             of
             what
             he
             hath
             said
             in
             this
             Case
             ,
             which
             follows
             after
             T.
             H.'s
             Citation
             ;
             W.
             P.
             
             thus
             ,
             viz.
             
             
               
                 G.
                 Fox
              
               saith
               thus
               ;
               God
               breathed
               into
               Man
               the
               
                 Breath
                 of
                 Life
              
               ,
               and
               he
               became
               a
               living
               Soul
               ,
               and
               is
               not
               this
               
                 of
                 God
                 ,
                 of
                 his
                 Being
              
               ?
               &c.
               and
               is
               not
               This
               that
               came
               out
               from
               God
               ,
               
                 Part
                 of
                 God
                 ,
                 and
                 from
                 God
              
               ?
               Where
               nothing
               can
               well
               be
               clearer
               ,
               then
               that
               G.
               F.
               intends
               that
               
                 Divine
                 Life
                 ,
                 Power
                 and
                 Virtue
                 ,
              
               by
               which
               Adam
               in
               Soul
               and
               Body
               
                 came
                 to
                 live
                 to
                 God
              
               (
               with
               other
               Passages
               about
               the
               Words
               
                 Breathed
                 ,
                 Inspired
              
               ;
            
             after
             which
             he
             addeth
             )
             
               But
               this
               Ungodly
               Person
               would
               infer
               from
               our
               asserting
               ,
               That
               the
               Breath
               God
               breathed
               into
               
               Adam's
               Soul
               whereby
               it
               liv'd
               to
               God
               ,
               was
               of
               God's
               Divine
               Life
               ,
               
                 That
                 the
                 Soul
                 of
                 Man
                 ,
                 as
                 a
                 meer
                 Creature
                 or
                 created
                 Capacity
                 ,
                 is
                 of
                 God's
                 own
                 Being
                 and
                 Substance
                 ,
                 &c.
                 
              
            
             See
             further
             
               Reas.
               against
               Rail
            
             .
             pag.
             66
             ,
             67.
             
          
           
             And
             further
             let
             it
             be
             observed
             ,
             wherein
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             hath
             dealt
             Unfairly
             by
             G.
             F.
             in
             this
             matter
             [
             Though
             it
             be
             true
             that
             G.
             F.
             saith
             ,
             
               That
               God
               breathed
               into
               Man
               the
               Breath
               of
               Life
               and
               he
               became
               a
               living
               Soul
            
             ;
             and
             askt
             ,
             
               Is
               not
               this
               which
               cometh
               out
               from
               God
               ,
               of
               God
               ,
               being
               without
               Beginning
               ,
               Infinis
               in
               itself
               ,
               &
               c
               ?
            
             Gr.
             Myst.
             fol.
             29
             ,
             68
             ,
             90
             ,
             100.
             ]
             But
             then
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             having
             left
             out
             those
             Passages
             that
             chiefly
             explain
             G.
             F's
             Sense
             in
             this
             matter
             ,
             takes
             it
             for
             granted
             ,
             without
             Distinction
             ,
             
             that
             it
             is
             our
             Opinion
             ,
             
               That
               the
               Soul
               is
               God
            
             (
             as
             he
             hath
             charg'd
             us
             )
             and
             this
             he
             hath
             made
             one
             main
             Reason
             for
             his
             accusing
             us
             with
             
               Denying
               all
               future
               &
               distinct
               Beings
               or
               Rewards
               of
               Men
               after
               Death
            
             (
             which
             must
             procede
             either
             from
             his
             Mistake
             ,
             
             or
             wilful
             Perversion
             )
             he
             taking
             G.
             F's
             Question
             about
             the
             Soul
             ,
             to
             intend
             the
             meer
             Spirit
             of
             Man
             that
             God
             form'd
             in
             him
             ,
             or
             the
             Soul
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             
               a
               Reasonable
               Creature
            
             ;
             which
             could
             not
             be
             intended
             in
             G.
             F's
             Question
             ,
             which
             concerns
             that
             
               Immediate
               Breath
            
             ,
             or
             
               Spirit
               of
               Life
            
             ,
             which
             came
             out
             from
             God
             ,
             by
             which
             Man
             became
             a
             living
             Soul
             ;
             wherein
             what
             is
             more
             evident
             then
             that
             G.F.
             doth
             not
             at
             all
             confound
             the
             
               Being
               of
               Man
            
             with
             the
             Being
             of
             
               his
               Maker
            
             [
             though
             God
             may
             be
             truly
             said
             to
             be
             the
             Being
             of
             
               Beings
               ,
               the
               Life
            
             of
             Lives
             ,
             &
             so
             the
             Soul
             (
             or
             Life
             )
             
               of
               Souls
            
             ,
             even
             of
             all
             Mankind
             ]
             with
             respect
             unto
             this
             G.
             F's
             words
             appear
             very
             plain
             ,
             where
             he
             saith
             ,
             
               God
               breathed
               into
               Man
               the
               Breath
               of
               Life
               ,
               and
               he
               became
               a
               living
               Soul
               ;
               for
               that
               which
               came
               out
               from
               God
               ,
               was
               the
               Cause
               that
            
             MAN
             became
             ALIVE
             ,
             
               a
               living
               Soul
               ;
               and
               is
               not
               this
               of
               God
               ?
            
             Gr.
             Myst.
             pag.
             68.
             
             See
             how
             plain
             and
             distinct
             these
             words
             are
             ,
             between
             That
             which
             came
             out
             from
             God
             ,
             and
             Man
             himself
             ;
             and
             whether
             it
             was
             not
             an
             Abuse
             in
             
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             to
             leave
             out
             those
             G.
             F's
             explanatory
             words
             ,
             which
             are
             in
             the
             very
             same
             Page
             that
             he
             quotes
             ,
             and
             misconstrue
             his
             Question
             and
             Words
             to
             another
             Intention
             then
             they
             will
             bear
             ;
             while
             G.
             F's
             words
             relating
             to
             that
             which
             came
             out
             from
             God
             ,
             do
             not
             at
             all
             mention
             
               Man's
               Soul
               or
               Spirit
            
             ,
             that
             I
             do
             or
             can
             find
             .
             Although
             
               T.
               H.
            
             and
             his
             Brethren
             take
             Soul
             (
             in
             G.
             F's
             Question
             )
             for
             the
             
               Spirit
               of
               Man
            
             ,
             or
             
               the
               Reasonable
               Creature
            
             ,
             so
             far
             as
             I
             can
             gather
             ;
             as
             
               W.
               Kiffin
            
             and
             the
             rest
             do
             in
             their
             Epistle
             ,
             entituled
             
               Heart-Bleedings
               for
               Professors
               ,
               Abominations
            
             ,
             and
             annext
             unto
             their
             
               Confession
               of
               Faith
            
             ,
             printed
             1651.
             where
             they
             have
             these
             Phrases
             ,
             viz.
             
               The
               Spirit
               which
               God
               formeth
               in
               Man
               ;
               Our
               Spirit
               or
               Soul
               ;
               a
               Creature
               ;
               The
               reasonable
               Soul
               ,
               &c.
               
            
             Here
             they
             grant
             
               man's
               Spirit
               or
               Soul
            
             to
             be
             the
             same
             ;
             whereas
             when
             
               G.
               F.
            
             speaks
             of
             the
             Soul
             in
             that
             sense
             ,
             he
             hath
             this
             Phrase
             ,
             
               The
               Soul
               being
               in
               Death
               ,
               in
               Transgression
               ,
               man's
               Spirit
               there
               is
               not
               sanctified
               ,
            
             Gr.
             Myst.
             p.
             91.
             
             These
             plain
             words
             
               T.
               H.
            
             also
             hath
             left
             out
             though
             in
             the
             very
             next
             page
             to
             what
             he
             quotes
             :
             What
             is
             more
             plain
             then
             that
             G.F.
             could
             not
             intend
             that
             
               Soul
               or
               Spirit
            
             of
             Man
             (
             which
             could
             be
             in
             Death
             ,
             in
             Transgression
             )
             to
             be
             either
             
               God
               ,
               his
               Divine
               Life
               ,
               Being
               ,
            
             or
             Part
             of
             God
             ,
             but
             of
             Man
             only
             ;
             for
             the
             
             Being
             of
             God
             can
             never
             be
             either
             in
             Transgression
             ,
             or
             Corrupted
             ;
             because
             
               God
               is
               Incorruptible
            
             :
             And
             now
             from
             the
             Understanding
             that
             I
             have
             of
             G.
             F's
             words
             about
             the
             Soul
             ,
             as
             in
             divers
             places
             of
             his
             said
             Book
             ;
             He
             speaks
             of
             the
             Soul
             as
             under
             a
             two
             fold
             Consideration
             ;
             1st
             ,
             with
             respect
             unto
             that
             
               Breath
               of
               Life
            
             ,
             which
             God
             breathed
             into
             man
             ,
             by
             which
             MAN
             became
             a
             
               living
               Soul
            
             ,
             2
             dly
             ,
             with
             the
             respect
             to
             Man
             himself
             ,
             as
             being
             thereby
             made
             a
             
               living
               Soul
            
             :
             And
             of
             Man
             ,
             as
             under
             a
             three
             fold
             Consideration
             ;
             1.
             
             As
             Man
             was
             in
             the
             Beginning
             (
             before
             the
             Fall
             )
             being
             made
             Alive
             ,
             a
             
               Living
               Soul
            
             ,
             by
             the
             Breath
             or
             Spirit
             of
             God.
             2.
             
             To
             Man
             faln
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             Fall
             ,
             from
             God
             ;
             wherein
             his
             Soul
             or
             Spirit
             is
             brought
             under
             Death
             in
             Sin
             and
             Transgression
             ,
             and
             so
             is
             polluted
             with
             Sin
             while
             Unsanctified
             .
             3.
             
             To
             Man
             as
             restored
             ,
             and
             his
             Soul
             quickned
             to
             God
             again
             by
             the
             Spirit
             of
             Life
             ,
             and
             so
             saved
             by
             and
             in
             
               Christ
               Jesus
            
             ,
             who
             is
             the
             
               Bishop
               of
               the
               Soul.
            
             This
             I
             do
             understand
             and
             plainly
             gather
             from
             the
             Tenour
             of
             G.
             F's
             Words
             and
             Answers
             .
          
           
             But
             sith
             Thomas
             Hicks's
             Charge
             against
             the
             Quakers
             was
             ,
             that
             
               they
               are
               No
               Christians
            
             ,
             and
             that
             one
             of
             his
             principal
             Allegations
             for
             Proof
             is
             ,
             that
             their
             Opinion
             is
             ,
             That
             
               the
               Soul
               is
               God
               ,
               or
               part
               of
               God
               ,
               and
               of
               God's
               Being
               without
               
               Beginning
               and
               Infinite
               ,
            
             which
             perversly
             and
             darkly
             he
             hath
             drawn
             from
             G.
             F's
             meer
             Question
             (
             as
             plainly
             appears
             before
             )
             we
             had
             need
             to
             look
             the
             more
             strictly
             into
             the
             matter
             ;
             Upon
             which
             I
             ask
             ,
             If
             to
             put
             this
             Question
             [
             
               Is
               not
               THAT
               of
               God
               ,
               and
               of
               his
               Being
               ,
               which
               came
               out
               from
               God
               ,
               by
               which
               Man
               became
               a
               living
               Soul
            
             ?
             ]
             be
             an
             Opinion
             sufficient
             to
             prove
             Us
             
               No
               Christians
            
             ?
             Then
             ,
             
               Whether
               or
               no
               they
               are
            
             Christians
             ,
             
               who
               say
               ,
               that
            
             the
             Soul
             of
             Man
             is
             a
             Spirit
             of
             the
             NATURE
             of
             God
             ,
             which
             returns
             to
             God
             that
             gave
             it
             ?
             
               And
               whether
               this
               be
               not
               as
               high
               an
               Assertion
               of
               the
            
             Soul
             
               of
               Man
               ,
               as
               can
               be
               supposed
            
             G.
             F.
             
               ever
               asserted
            
             ?
             And
             that
             some
             Baptists
             have
             thus
             asserted
             of
             the
             Soul
             ,
             see
             what
             they
             say
             in
             their
             own
             Instances
             and
             Words
             ,
             viz.
             
               That
               this
               is
               a
               known
               Truth
               ,
               that
               every
               thing
               at
               its
               Dissolution
               dissolveth
               into
               its
               first
               Principles
               :
            
          
           
             
               1.
               
               
                 The
                 Springs
                 &
                 Rivers
                 run
                 into
                 the
                 Sea
                 from
                 whence
                 they
                 came
                 out
                 ,
              
               Eccles.
               1.7
               .
            
             
               2.
               
               
                 The
                 Ice
                 ,
                 Snow
                 ,
                 Hail
                 ,
                 that
                 are
                 congeal'd
                 of
                 Water
                 ,
                 dissolve
                 into
                 Water
                 ,
                 and
                 out
                 of
                 Water
                 they
                 are
                 congeal'd
                 again
                 .
              
            
             
               3.
               
               
                 The
                 Light
                 centereth
                 into
                 the
                 Sun
                 ,
                 which
                 is
                 the
                 Fountain
                 of
                 Light
                 ,
                 therefore
                 in
                 the
                 Night
                 time
                 it
                 is
                 dark
                 ,
                 and
                 Moon
                 and
                 Stars
                 give
                 Light
                 ,
                 as
                 they
                 are
                 aspected
                 to
                 the
                 Sun.
                 
              
            
             
               4.
               
               
                 For
                 Man
                 at
                 his
                 Dissolution
              
               ;
               1.
               
               The
               
               SOUL
               
                 being
                 a
                 Spirit
                 ,
                 of
                 the
              
               NATURE
               
                 of
                 God
                 ,
                 is
                 said
                 to
                 return
                 to
                 him
                 that
                 gave
                 it
                 ;
                 and
                 the
                 Body
                 being
                 made
                 of
                 the
                 Dust
                 ,
                 returns
                 to
                 the
                 Dust
                 again
                 ,
              
               Eccle.
               12.7
               .
               &
               Gen.
               3.19
               .
               
                 saith
                 God
                 ,
                 Thou
                 shalt
                 return
                 to
                 the
                 Ground
                 ;
                 for
                 out
                 of
                 it
                 thou
                 wast
                 taken
                 .
              
               Thus
               far
               
                 Dan.
                 King
              
               in
               his
               Book
               ,
               entitul'd
               ,
               
                 A
                 way
                 to
                 Sion
              
               ,
               p.
               92.
               
                 printed
                 at
              
               London
               ,
               
                 &
                 reprinted
                 at
              
               Edenburgh
               Anno
               1656.
               and
               highly
               approved
               and
               commended
               by
               
                 T.
                 Patient
                 ,
                 J.
                 Spilsbury
                 ,
                 W.
                 Kiffin
                 and
                 J.
                 Pierson
              
               who
               in
               their
               Epistle
               dedicatory
               give
               this
               Commendation
               ,
               viz.
               
            
          
           
             
               It
               hath
               pleased
               God
               ,
               to
               stir
               up
               the
               Spirit
               of
               our
               Brother
            
             Dan.
             King
             ,
             
               whom
               we
               judge
               a
               faithful
               and
               painful
               Minister
               of
               Jesus
               Christ
               ,
               to
               take
               this
               Work
               in
               hand
               before
               us
               ;
               and
               we
               judge
               that
               he
               hath
               been
               much
               assisted
               of
               God
               in
               the
               Work
               in
               which
               he
               hath
               been
               very
               painful
               .
            
          
           
             Observe
             here
             ,
             how
             it
             is
             affirmed
             ,
             that
             the
             Soul
             is
             of
             the
             NATURE
             
               of
               God
            
             ;
             and
             that
             according
             to
             the
             Instances
             before
             ,
             of
             these
             things
             that
             return
             
               into
               their
               first
               Principles
            
             .
          
           
             See
             now
             Baptists
             your
             own
             Doctrine
             about
             the
             Soul
             or
             Spirit
             of
             Man
             !
             Were
             you
             well
             advised
             to
             suffer
             your
             Brother
             so
             highly
             to
             charge
             and
             taunt
             at
             us
             about
             the
             Soul
             ,
             because
             of
             G.
             F
             s
             Question
             which
             concern'd
             the
             Breath
             or
             Spirit
             of
             Life
             from
             God
             ,
             by
             which
             Man
             became
             a
             Living
             Soul
             ;
             when
             you
             tell
             
             us
             plainly
             ,
             that
             the
             
               Soul
               is
               a
               Spirit
               of
               the
               NATURE
               OF
               GOD
            
             ?
             You
             would
             take
             it
             ill
             ,
             if
             any
             should
             scornfully
             Dialogue
             upon
             you
             for
             this
             ,
             as
             your
             Brother
             Hicks
             hath
             done
             upon
             us
             for
             G.
             F's
             Question
             ;
             
               Is
               not
            
             That
             
               of
               God
               ,
               which
               came
               out
               from
               God
               ?
               &c.
            
             to
             wit
             ,
             the
             Breath
             or
             
               Spirit
               of
               Life
            
             :
             with
             whose
             Words
             also
             about
             the
             Soul
             ,
             agreeth
             Wisd.
             15.11
             .
             
               Forasmuch
               as
               he
               knew
               not
               his
               Maker
               ,
               and
               him
            
             that
             ●NSPIRED
             
               unto
               him
               an
               active
               Soul
               ,
               and
            
             BREATHED
             
               in
               a
               Living
               Spirit
            
             .
             See
             also
             VAVASOR
             POWEL'S
             Concordance
             about
             the
             Soul
             ,
             viz.
             The
             Soul
             
               is
               put
               for
               the
            
             whole
             Person
             ,
             Acts
             2.41
             .
             &
             7.14
             .
             
               it
               is
               put
               for
            
             Life
             ,
             Isa.
             53.12
             .
             
               it
               is
               put
               for
            
             Breath
             ,
             Acts
             20.10
             .
             marg
             .
             
               it
               is
               put
               for
            
             a
             Reasonable
             Creature
             ,
             Gen.
             2.7
             .
             
               it
               is
               put
               for
            
             GOD
             HIMSELF
             ,
             Prov.
             6.16
             .
             marg
             .
             Hebr.
             10.38
             .
          
           
             I
             suppose
             these
             men
             are
             not
             ignorant
             ,
             both
             how
             this
             Concordance
             is
             approved
             ,
             and
             the
             Author
             of
             it
             esteemed
             by
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             I.
             About
             the
             Person
             of
             Christ.
             
          
           
             WHereas
             T.H.
             to
             prove
             the
             
               Quakers
               deny
               Jesus
               Christ
               to
               be
               a
               distinct
               Person
               without
               us
               ,
            
             quotes
             these
             words
             ,
             viz.
             
               Jesus
               Christ
               a
               Person
               without
               us
               ,
               is
               not
               Scripture
               Language
               ,
            
             &
             for
             it
             quotes
             Dip.
             Pl.
             p.
             13.
             
          
           
             Whereas
             the
             Words
             there
             are
             ,
             
               Jesus
               Christ
               ,
               God-man
               ,
               a
               Person
               without
               thee
            
             (
             as
             in
             his
             Dia.
             1.
             p.
             9.
             )
             
               is
               not
               Scripture-Language
            
             ,
             &c.
             
             Mark
             ,
             he
             hath
             left
             out
             the
             Words
             [
             GOD
             MAN
             ]
             in
             the
             Citation
             ;
             and
             in
             his
             two
             last
             Dialogues
             likewise
             ,
             Dial.
             2.
             p.
             10.
             
             Dial.
             3.
             p.
             7.
             
             So
             that
             it
             appears
             these
             Witnesses
             have
             either
             taken
             this
             defective
             Citation
             upon
             trust
             from
             T.
             H.
             and
             not
             from
             their
             own
             Sight
             and
             Knowledge
             ,
             or
             else
             they
             have
             knowingly
             born
             Witness
             to
             this
             Abuse
             ,
             &
             owned
             this
             defective
             &
             false
             Citation
             for
             a
             Blind
             .
             But
             how
             comes
             his
             Charge
             now
             to
             be
             so
             Low
             against
             us
             ,
             as
             only
             
               denying
               Jesus
               Christ
               to
               be
               a
               distinct
               Person
               without
               us
               ,
            
             and
             he
             so
             hard
             put
             to
             it
             to
             prove
             this
             ,
             when
             before
             he
             charged
             us
             in
             these
             Words
             ,
             viz
             
               You
               reprobate
               the
               Scriptures
               and
               the
               Person
               of
               Jesus
               Christ
               without
               you
               ,
            
             Dial.
             1.
             p.
             62.
             
             O
             wonderful
             Impudence
             and
             Falshood
             !
             The
             Reason
             of
             my
             Answer
             
             in
             this
             Case
             before
             to
             T.H.
             as
             also
             my
             owning
             
               the
               Man
               ,
               Christ
               Jesus
               as
               to
               his
               Being
               without
               us
               as
               well
               as
               within
               us
               ,
            
             is
             plainly
             shewn
             in
             my
             
               Appendix
               to
               Reas.
               against
               Rail
            
             .
             p.
             17.
             my
             Words
             being
             thus
             ,
             viz.
             
               Jesus
               Christ
               ,
               God-man
               ,
               a
               PERSON
               without
               thee
            
             ;
             which
             Phrase
             I
             did
             ,
             and
             do
             say
             ,
             is
             not
             Scripture
             Language
             ;
             but
             the
             Anthropomorphites
             who
             profess
             a
             
               Personal
               God
            
             ,
             denying
             
               him
               to
               be
               an
               
                 Infinite
                 Spirit
              
               ;
               doth
               it
               therefore
               follow
               that
               I
               deny
               the
               
                 Man
                 Christ
                 Jesus
              
               in
               his
               being
               either
               without
               or
               within
               us
               ?
               
               But
               T.
               H's
               Words
               ,
               
                 God-man
                 ,
                 a
                 Person
                 without
                 thee
                 ,
              
               equally
               excluding
               God
               under
               the
               Limitation
               of
               
                 Man
                 and
                 Person
                 without
                 us
              
               ;
               he
               is
               pleased
               now
               to
               leave
               out
               the
               word
               God-man
               ,
               &
               to
               accuse
               us
               of
               denying
               the
               
                 Person
                 of
                 Christ
                 without
                 us
              
               :
               He
               should
               have
               explained
               what
               he
               means
               by
               the
               Word
               Person
               ;
               for
               though
               we
               are
               not
               satisfied
               with
               the
               Words
               before
               (
               being
               unscriptural
               )
               this
               is
               no
               denying
               of
               Jesus
               Christ
               in
               his
               being
               either
               as
               without
               us
               ,
               or
               within
               us
               ;
               we
               confessing
               ,
               that
               he
               is
               ascended
               into
               Glory
               far
               above
               all
               Heavens
               ,
               and
               that
               he
               is
               at
               the
               Father's
               right
               Hand
               of
               Power
               in
               his
               Glorious
               Being
               —
               which
               yet
               doth
               not
               exclude
               or
               limit
               him
               from
               being
               within
               us
               .
               And
               its
               false
               that
               
               we
               deny
               Christ
               to
               be
               a
               Man.
               
               —
               His
               Exaltation
               and
               Glory
               (
               into
               which
               he
               is
               ascended
               not
               only
               into
               the
               Heavens
               ,
               but
               far
               above
               all
               Heavens
               )
               transcends
               that
               Degree
               attained
               in
               these
               suffering
               earthly
               Tabernacles
               ;
               his
               inaccessible
               Glory
               is
               above
               Men
               and
               Angels
               ,
               &c.
               
            
          
           
             Again
             T.
             H.
             hath
             very
             unfairly
             cited
             but
             the
             Beginning
             of
             a
             Sentence
             of
             mine
             ,
             leaving
             out
             the
             latter
             and
             chief
             Part
             thereof
             ,
             viz.
             at
             [
             
               'T
               is
               a
               Design
               of
               Satan
               to
               keep
               Men
               in
               carnal
               Imaginations
               and
               dark
               Thoughts
               of
               a
               Human
               Personal
               Christ
            
             ]
             And
             here
             they
             break
             off
             ,
             leaving
             out
             the
             following
             Words
             of
             the
             same
             Sentence
             ,
             which
             are
             [
             
               Consisting
               ,
               *
               either
               of
               Flesh
               ,
               Blood
               and
               Bones
               
                 LIKE
                 THEIRS
              
               ,
               or
               of
               Flesh
               and
               Bones
               without
               Blood
               ,
               and
               so
               of
               God's
               right
               Hand
               ,
               as
               limited
               to
               that
               Remoteness
            
             That
             they
             *
             neglect
             to
             wait
             for
             Christ's
             inward
             and
             spiritual
             
               Appearance
               ,
               and
               the
               Knowledge
               of
               God's
               right
               Hand
               near
               them
               ,
               to
               save
               and
               preserve
               them
               from
               Sin
               
               and
               Death
               :
            
             See
             my
             Appendix
             to
             
               Reason
               against
               Railing
            
             ,
             p.
             27.
             
          
           
             Now
             you
             that
             are
             T.
             H.
             his
             
               Compurgators
               ,
               Abettors
               and
               Witnesses
            
             ,
             See
             here
             how
             he
             and
             you
             have
             left
             out
             the
             very
             principal
             and
             explanative
             Part
             of
             the
             same
             Sentence
             ;
             is
             this
             your
             Care
             and
             Justice
             ?
             Would
             you
             be
             thus
             served
             ,
             both
             to
             wrong
             me
             ,
             and
             abuse
             the
             World
             or
             your
             Readers
             ,
             to
             tell
             them
             ,
             
               The
               Quotations
               are
               truly
               recited
               out
               of
               our
               Books
            
             ?
             But
             if
             you
             take
             this
             kind
             of
             unfair
             curtailing
             (
             which
             destroyes
             the
             Sense
             )
             to
             be
             significant
             ,
             to
             give
             the
             whole
             Sense
             of
             the
             Clause
             or
             Sentence
             before
             ,
             and
             all
             this
             to
             prove
             us
             
               No
               Christians
            
             ;
             Then
             it
             must
             be
             contrarywise
             given
             as
             your
             Opinion
             for
             
               Christianity
               ,
               That
               't
               is
               not
               a
               Design
               of
               Satan
               ,
               to
               keep
               Men
               in
               carnal
               Imaginations
               of
               a
               human
               personal
               Christ
               ,
               consisting
               of
               Flesh
               ,
               Blood
               and
               Bones
            
             LIKE
             YOURS
             ;
             
               but
               a
            
             Christian
             
               Opinion
               so
               to
               think
               of
               Christ
               and
               of
               God's
               right
               Hand
               ,
               as
               limited
               to
               such
               Remoteness
               ,
               as
               that
               you
               thereupon
               neglect
               to
               wait
               for
               Christ's
               inward
               and
               spiritual
               Appearance
               ,
               or
               the
               Knowledge
               of
               God's
               right
               Hand
               near
               you
               to
               save
               you
               from
               Sin
               and
               Death
               ;
               but
               that
               you
               may
               be
               good
            
             Christians
             ,
             
               and
               yet
               guilty
               of
               such
               carnal
               Imaginations
               and
               sinful
               Neglect
            
             :
             If
             this
             be
             your
             Christianity
             ,
             I
             hope
             ,
             through
             the
             Grace
             
             of
             God
             ,
             never
             to
             own
             it
             ,
             any
             more
             then
             your
             unjust
             and
             partial
             Proceedings
             against
             us
             ,
             to
             uphold
             and
             cover
             
               a
               Forger
            
             ,
             to
             keep
             back
             Judgment
             from
             passing
             upon
             ,
             contrary
             to
             your
             fair
             Pretences
             before
             cited
             :
             But
             T.
             H.
             hath
             declared
             ,
             
             That
             
               he
               no
               where
               accuseth
               us
               for
               denying
               Christ's
               bodily
               Appearance
            
             ;
             How
             then
             do
             we
             deny
             his
             Person
             ?
             What
             was
             his
             Person
             ,
             if
             not
             his
             Body
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Sect.
             III.
             About
             the
             Bible
             and
             Scriptures
             .
          
           
             AGain
             you
             give
             this
             Passage
             ,
             as
             truly
             recited
             among
             the
             rest
             ,
             viz.
             G.
             W.
             
               accounts
               it
               Idolatry
               to
               call
               the
               Bible
               a
               Means
               of
               our
               knowing
               God
               ,
            
             for
             which
             you
             quote
             
               Dip.
               plung
               .
               p.
            
             13.
             
             Wherein
             is
             a
             manifest
             Untruth
             and
             Abuse
             ;
             for
             in
             Answer
             to
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             affirming
             ,
             That
             
               the
               Bible
               is
            
             THE
             
               Means
               of
               our
               knowing
               God
            
             ,
             Dial.
             1.
             p.
             41.
             
             My
             Words
             were
             ,
             
               He
               idolatrously
               sets
               up
               the
               Bible
               in
               the
               Place
               of
               Christ
               ;
               for
               no
               man
               knows
               the
               Father
               but
               the
               Son
               ,
               and
               he
               to
               whom
               the
               Son
               reveals
               him
               ,
            
             Mat.
             11.27
             .
             Dip.
             plung
             .
             p.
             13.
             
             
             Mark
             the
             Difference
             betwixt
             A
             Means
             and
             THE
             Means
             ,
             as
             between
             the
             BIBLE
             ,
             and
             CHRIST
             :
             That
             may
             be
             A
             Means
             which
             is
             not
             THE
             Means
             ,
             Christ
             being
             the
             absolute
             Way
             and
             Means
             by
             Way
             of
             Eminency
             (
             for
             Man
             to
             come
             to
             &
             know
             God
             )
             &
             not
             the
             Bible
             ,
             though
             it
             may
             be
             
               a
               Means
            
             instrumentally
             ,
             as
             God
             bestows
             a
             Blessing
             upon
             (
             or
             acpanies
             )
             the
             serious
             Reading
             thereof
             ,
             as
             it
             directs
             to
             Christ
             Jesus
             ,
             or
             to
             his
             Light
             and
             Spirit
             ,
             which
             openeth
             the
             Understanding
             in
             the
             holy
             Scriptures
             .
          
           
             
             Again
             ,
             about
             my
             owning
             the
             
               Speaking
               of
               the
               Spirit
               in
               any
               to
               be
               of
               greater
               Authority
               then
               the
               Scriptures
               or
               Chapters
            
             [
             you
             unfairly
             leave
             out
             my
             following
             words
             ,
             which
             explain
             my
             Sense
             and
             Intention
             ,
             which
             are
             ]
             viz.
             
               as
               receiv'd
               ,
               and
               proceeding
               from
               that
               Spirit
               and
               spoaken
               in
               the
               Senee
               thereof
               ;
               as
               ,
               Christ's
               words
               were
               of
               greater
               Authority
               when
               he
               Spoak
               ,
               then
               the
            
             Pharisees
             
               Reading
               the
               Letter
            
             ,
             Ser.
             Apol.
             pag.
             49.
             
          
           
             And
             we
             might
             farther
             add
             ,
             that
             the
             same
             words
             of
             the
             holy
             Scripture
             are
             of
             more
             Authority
             and
             Efficacy
             ,
             when
             the
             Spirit
             in
             any
             speaks
             them
             ,
             or
             sets
             them
             home
             to
             the
             Conscience
             ,
             then
             when
             any
             one
             Reads
             or
             Speaks
             them
             
               without
               the
               Spirit
            
             ;
             and
             this
             not
             at
             all
             to
             undervalue
             the
             Truth
             of
             what
             is
             written
             :
             Nor
             did
             we
             ever
             prefer
             our
             Books
             before
             the
             
             Bible
             ,
             as
             unjustly
             we
             are
             charg'd
             ,
             but
             
               do
               prefer
               the
            
             Bible
             
               before
               all
               other
               Books
               extant
               in
               the
               World
               ,
            
             as
             we
             can
             sufficiently
             evince
             out
             of
             our
             Friends
             Writings
             .
          
           
             And
             as
             for
             Titles
             given
             upon
             some
             of
             our
             Books
             ,
             which
             is
             alledged
             as
             Proof
             against
             us
             ,
             viz.
             
               Voice
               of
               Wisdom
               ;
               Breathings
               of
               True
               Love
               ;
               A
               Shield
               of
               Truth
               ;
               Light
               risen
               out
               of
               Darkness
               ,
               &c.
            
             but
             ,
             saith
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             The
             Scriptures
             are
             call'd
             ,
             
               Dead
               Letter
               ;
               Paper
               ,
               Ink
               ,
               and
               Writing
               ;
               Carnal
               Letter
               ,
               &c.
            
             and
             all
             this
             to
             prove
             ,
             
             
               That
               we
               give
               the
            
             Preference
             
               to
               our
               own
               Books
            
             ;
             but
             he
             giveth
             us
             not
             any
             Quotation
             for
             all
             these
             Words
             or
             Titles
             ,
             nor
             shews
             us
             ,
             on
             what
             Occasion
             any
             of
             them
             were
             spoken
             ;
             however
             his
             Brethren
             undertake
             to
             be
             Witnesses
             for
             him
             in
             these
             Things
             with
             the
             rest
             :
             But
             herein
             he
             hath
             grosly
             abused
             us
             ,
             and
             our
             Intention
             and
             Principle
             ,
             which
             never
             was
             
               to
               bring
               our
               Books
               in
               Comparison
               with
               the
               Scriptures
            
             ;
             nor
             have
             we
             given
             any
             such
             Titles
             ,
             so
             to
             prefer
             our
             Books
             ,
             but
             with
             respect
             unto
             the
             secret
             
               Breathings
               of
               True
               Love
               ,
               and
               the
               Arising
               of
               the
               Light
               ,
               or
               Signification
               of
               God's
               Voice
               in
               our
               Souls
            
             ;
             Such
             Titles
             therefore
             have
             been
             not
             strictly
             ,
             but
             figuratively
             placed
             upon
             some
             Books
             ,
             and
             the
             Letter
             only
             made
             mention
             of
             in
             the
             Sense
             of
             the
             Apostle
             ,
             in
             Distinction
             
             between
             the
             Law
             and
             the
             Gospel
             ,
             or
             as
             between
             the
             Letter
             and
             the
             Spirit
             ,
             
             
               Circumcision
               in
               the
               Letter
            
             ,
             &
             
               Circumcision
               in
               the
               Spirit
            
             ;
             
             and
             so
             between
             
               Baptism
               in
               the
               Letter
            
             ,
             
             and
             
               Baptism
               in
               the
               Spirit
            
             ;
             and
             between
             
               Carnal
               Commands
            
             or
             Ordinances
             ,
             and
             Spiritual
             ;
             and
             this
             chiefly
             to
             those
             ,
             whose
             Minds
             have
             been
             too
             much
             in
             the
             Shadows
             and
             Letter
             thereof
             ,
             neglecting
             the
             
               Substance
               .
               Power
            
             &
             Spirit
             .
             We
             knowing
             also
             that
             in
             the
             New
             Covenant
             we
             must
             serve
             the
             Lord
             in
             the
             Newness
             of
             the
             Spirit
             ,
             
             and
             not
             in
             the
             
               Oldness
               of
               the
               Letter
            
             :
             But
             more
             over
             ,
             would
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             and
             you
             his
             Witnesses
             ,
             take
             it
             well
             ,
             if
             you
             and
             the
             World
             should
             be
             told
             ,
             that
             the
             Baptists
             prefer
             their
             own
             Books
             before
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             when
             they
             entitle
             their
             own
             Books
             ,
             
               Light
               from
               the
               Sun
               of
               Righteousness
               ;
               The
               Light
               within
               ;
               The
               Marrow
               of
               Christianity
               ;
               A
               Way
               to
               Sion
               ;
               Some
               Beams
               of
               Light
               ,
               &
               c.
            
             ?
             But
             the
             Scriptures
             they
             have
             calld
             the
             Letter
             ,
             or
             the
             
               Oldness
               of
               the
               Letter
            
             ,
             Marrow
             of
             Christianity
             ,
             pag.
             35.44
             .
          
           
             And
             say
             ,
             The
             Scriptures
             
               may
               be
               and
               is
               corrupted
               by
               Man
               ,
               having
               been
               in
               the
               hands
               of
               corrupted
               Men
               ;
               and
               the
            
             Spirit
             
               in
               the
            
             Rule
             
               of
               more
               Efficacy
               then
               the
               Letter
               ,
               St.
               John
            
             Newman's
             Light
             within
             ,
             p.
             19
             ,
             20
             ,
             104
             ,
             105
             ,
             106
             ,
             108
             ,
             110
             ,
             112.
             
          
           
           
             Judge
             Reader
             ,
             how
             these
             Baptists
             are
             faln
             into
             the
             Pit
             which
             they
             have
             dig'd
             for
             others
             ,
             and
             how
             they
             are
             more
             highly
             concern'd
             in
             the
             same
             thing
             that
             they
             alledge
             against
             us
             ,
             to
             prove
             us
             
               No
               Christians
            
             ;
             But
             should
             any
             hereupon
             make
             a
             Comparison
             between
             the
             Titles
             they
             give
             to
             their
             own
             Books
             ,
             and
             those
             they
             have
             given
             to
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             and
             thereupon
             should
             positively
             charge
             them
             with
             giving
             their
             own
             Pamphlets
             the
             Preference
             ,
             they
             would
             take
             it
             very
             hardly
             ;
             But
             if
             they
             can
             find
             any
             reasonable
             Allegations
             to
             bring
             themselves
             off
             from
             this
             ensnaring
             Objection
             that
             is
             retorted
             upon
             them
             ,
             according
             to
             their
             own
             Method
             ,
             they
             might
             in
             Charity
             have
             reserved
             a
             better
             Construction
             for
             us
             in
             the
             Case
             .
          
        
         
           
             Sect.
             IV.
             Of
             the
             Light
             within
             .
          
           
             I
             May
             not
             well
             omit
             one
             Passage
             which
             is
             cast
             upon
             me
             ,
             as
             an
             Absurdity
             in
             their
             fourth
             Page
             ,
             viz.
             
          
           
             
               If
               the
               Life
               be
               the
               Divine
               Essence
               ,
               the
               Light
               must
               be
               so
               also
            
             ;
             
             
               for
               such
               as
               the
               Cause
               is
               ,
               such
               the
               Effect
               
               must
               be
               :
               Thus
            
             G.
             W.
             
               in
               a
               Manuscript
            
             .
          
           
             Whereas
             it
             is
             not
             thus
             laid
             down
             ,
             either
             in
             this
             Method
             or
             Form
             of
             Argument
             in
             any
             Manuscript
             of
             mine
             that
             I
             know
             of
             ,
             or
             an
             remember
             ,
             or
             find
             out
             ;
             and
             yet
             I
             do
             own
             ,
             That
             the
             
               Life
               which
               is
               the
               Light
               of
               Men
            
             (
             that
             true
             Light
             
               wherewith
               every
               ma●
               is
               enlightened
               ,
               Joh.
            
             1.4.9
             .
             )
             in
             its
             own
             Being
             is
             God
             and
             Christ
             ,
             and
             not
             a
             meer
             Effect
             of
             Power
             ,
             as
             a
             made
             or
             created
             Thing
             ,
             but
             Divine
             and
             Increated
             :
             It
             appears
             that
             these
             Witnesses
             have
             received
             divers
             Things
             on
             the
             Credit
             of
             their
             Brother
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             (
             who
             in
             like
             Manner
             layes
             down
             the
             Argument
             in
             his
             first
             Dialogue
             )
             yet
             they
             have
             the
             Confidence
             to
             subscribe
             thereto
             ;
             though
             I
             confess
             I
             laid
             down
             my
             Reason
             to
             prove
             that
             Life
             (
             which
             is
             the
             Light
             of
             ,
             and
             in
             Men
             )
             Divine
             ;
             thus
             far
             ,
             viz.
             
               If
               that
               Life
               ,
               which
               is
               the
               Light
               of
               Men
               ,
               be
               of
               the
               divine
               .
               Being
               ,
               then
               the
               Light
               must
               be
               so
               also
            
             [
             Unto
             which
             I
             may
             now
             add
             the
             following
             Proposition
             ]
             
               But
               that
               Life
               is
               of
               the
               Divine
               Being
               (
               or
               of
               a
               Divine
               Nature
               )
               therefore
               the
               Light
               of
               Men
            
             (
             
               spoaken
               of
            
             Joh.
             1.4
             ,
             9.
             )
             
               must
               be
               so
               also
            
             .
          
           
             I
             also
             grant
             that
             the
             Cause
             and
             Effect
             were
             spoaken
             of
             ,
             upon
             T.
             H.
             his
             esteeming
             the
             Light
             within
             but
             an
             Effect
             ,
             &c.
             to
             explain
             my
             Sense
             of
             the
             Cause
             and
             Effect
             (
             though
             
             not
             laid
             down
             in
             such
             an
             inconsistent
             Argument
             is
             placed
             upon
             me
             )
             It
             was
             only
             admitted
             a●
             between
             that
             Divine
             Life
             and
             its
             
               immediate
               Illumination
            
             or
             Lightning
             in
             Man
             ,
             which
             naturally
             flows
             or
             proceeds
             from
             the
             Life
             ;
             So
             that
             if
             I
             should
             go
             meerly
             in
             the
             Form
             of
             Argument
             ,
             there
             being
             different
             Causes
             and
             Effects
             ,
             I
             should
             first
             distinguish
             between
             them
             :
             As
             there
             are
             Causes
             and
             Effects
             or
             Products
             of
             one
             Kind
             or
             Nature
             ;
             so
             there
             are
             of
             different
             Kinds
             :
             As
             ,
             the
             Sun
             and
             the
             Shining
             or
             Beams
             thereof
             are
             of
             one
             Kind
             ,
             and
             the
             Fountain
             and
             Streams
             thereof
             are
             of
             one
             Kind
             or
             Nature
             ;
             but
             so
             are
             not
             the
             Carpenter
             and
             the
             House
             that
             he
             makes
             ,
             &c.
             as
             I
             plainly
             signified
             my
             Intention
             and
             Sense
             about
             that
             
               Immediate
               Light
               in
               Man
            
             ,
             being
             
               Divine
               &
               Supernatural
            
             ;
             by
             a
             Reason
             of
             the
             contrary
             ;
             
               As
               the
               Light
               or
               Immediate
               Shining
               of
               the
               Sun
               in
               the
               Firmament
               is
               Natural
               ,
               because
               the
               Sun
               it self
               is
               a
               Natural
               Light
               ;
               so
               the
               Immediate
               Illumination
               or
               Shining
               of
               God
               in
               Man's
               Heart
               or
               Conscience
               ,
               must
               needs
               be
               Divine
               and
               Supernatural
               ,
               because
               he
               himself
               is
               so
               ,
               who
               is
               the
               Fountain
               of
               Light
               ;
               
                 That
                 Eternal
                 Life
                 which
                 was
                 with
                 the
                 Father
                 ,
              
               1
               Joh.
               1.2
               .
               is
               Divine
               ,
               and
               that
               Life
               was
               and
               is
               the
               Light
               of
               Men
               ,
               Joh.
               1.4
               ,
               And
               so
               't
               is
               
                 God
                 who
                 hath
                 
                 shined
                 in
                 our
                 Hearts
                 to
                 give
                 the
                 Light
                 of
                 the
                 Knowledge
                 of
                 the
                 Glory
                 of
                 God
                 in
                 the
                 Face
                 of
                 Jesus
                 Christ
                 ,
              
               2
               Cor.
               4.6
               .
               And
               his
               shining
               (
               we
               hope
               )
               will
               not
               now
               be
               denyed
               to
               be
               Divine
               ,
               being
               immediately
               of
               and
               from
               himself
               ;
               and
               he
               so
               shined
               in
               their
               Hearts
               before
               they
               were
               come
               to
               the
               Knowledge
               of
               the
               Glory
               of
               God
               in
               the
               Face
               of
               Christ
               Jesus
               ,
               in
               Order
               to
               give
               them
               that
               Knowledge
               :
            
             And
             I
             further
             add
             ,
             let
             it
             therefore
             suffice
             that
             it
             is
             my
             Principle
             ,
             That
             the
             
               Life
               ,
               which
               is
               the
               Light
               of
               Men
               ,
            
             mentioned
             Joh.
             1.4.9
             .
             is
             
               Divine
               ,
               Supernatural
            
             ,
             and
             so
             Increa●●d
             ;
             and
             it
             was
             never
             my
             Judgment
             or
             Words
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             but
             a
             
               mere
               Effect
            
             (
             as
             a
             Thing
             made
             )
             but
             that
             in
             its
             own
             Being
             't
             is
             no
             other
             then
             the
             Life
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             so
             himself
             ;
             and
             that
             every
             Measure
             or
             Degree
             of
             his
             Immediate
             Light
             ,
             Inshining
             or
             Illumination
             in
             Man
             is
             Divine
             and
             Spiritual
             ,
             and
             able
             to
             direct
             the
             Soul
             to
             God
             &
             Christ
             from
             whence
             it
             cometh
             ,
             knowing
             also
             that
             God's
             Love
             and
             Grace
             in
             Christ
             is
             universal
             and
             free
             to
             all
             Mankind
             .
             And
             why
             we
             should
             be
             Vnchristian'd
             for
             confessing
             ,
             Christ
             to
             be
             that
             Light
             which
             enlightneth
             
               every
               Man
            
             that
             comes
             into
             the
             World
             ,
             or
             for
             saying
             ,
             that
             the
             Light
             in
             Men
             is
             Divine
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             understand
             ,
             since
             T.H.
             himself
             hath
             confessed
             ,
             
             
               That
               Christ
               is
               the
               Life
               and
               Light
               of
               men
               ,
            
             Dial.
             1.
             p.
             22.
             
             Though
             this
             he
             hath
             often
             contradicted
             ,
             and
             since
             made
             it
             an
             Article
             against
             us
             to
             prove
             us
             
               No
               Christians
            
             ,
             that
             we
             hold
             ,
             
               That
               the
               Light
               wherewith
               every
               Man
               is
               enlightned
               ,
               is
               God
               ,
            
             when
             he
             himself
             hath
             confessed
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             Christ
             ;
             as
             namely
             ,
             
               That
               Christ
               is
               the
               Life
               and
               Light
               of
               Men.
               
            
          
        
         
           
             Sect.
             V.
             A
             slanderous
             Accusation
             of
             T.
             Hicks's
             against
             the
             Quakers
             ,
             removed
             .
          
           
             AS
             to
             Matter
             of
             Fact.
             Whereas
             we
             are
             charg'd
             to
             say
             ,
             
               That
               it
               concerns
               us
               to
               render
               our
            
             Adversaries
             
               as
               ridiculous
               as
               we
               can
               ,
               and
               to
               make
               our
               Friends
               believe
               they
               do
               nothing
               but
               contradict
               themselves
               ;
               and
               if
               this
               fail
               ,
               that
               we
               will
               insinuate
               by
               way
               of
               Question
               something
               that
               may
               be
               a
               Slander
               to
               them
               ,
            
             Dial.
             1.
             pag.
             72.
             and
             Qu.
             Ap.
             answ
             .
             pag.
             22.
             
          
           
             To
             prove
             this
             Charge
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             saith
             ,
             that
             G.
             W.
             
               in
               his
               Answer
               to
            
             Mr
             Danson
             
               insinuates
               a
               Slander
               upon
               him
               by
               way
               of
               Question
            
             (
             by
             saying
             )
             
               That
               he
               styleth
               himself
               Minister
               of
               the
               Gospel
               at
            
             Sandwich
             ;
             
               but
               is
               not
               rather
               
               that
               Report
               of
               him
               true
               ,
               That
               he
               is
               given
               to
               Gaming
               and
               Bowls
               ,
               &c
            
             ?
          
           
             And
             again
             ,
             T.
             H.
             addeth
             ,
             
               This
               Question
               was
               put
               meerly
               to
               slander
               him
               .
            
          
           
             A
             notorious
             Untruth
             !
             It
             was
             not
             put
             with
             any
             such
             Intent
             as
             meerly
             
               to
               slander
               him
            
             ;
             for
             it
             is
             true
             that
             such
             a
             Report
             was
             given
             to
             me
             of
             him
             ,
             and
             seem'd
             not
             improbable
             ,
             or
             then
             incredible
             to
             me
             ,
             such
             Recreations
             (
             so
             call'd
             )
             being
             common
             to
             men
             of
             his
             Coat
             .
             It
             is
             true
             that
             by
             the
             Question
             before
             ,
             I
             did
             oppose
             a
             Gamster
             or
             
               Player
               at
               Bowls
            
             ,
             to
             a
             Minister
             of
             the
             Gospel
             ;
             but
             that
             I
             neither
             made
             the
             Report
             ,
             nor
             design'd
             
               to
               slander
               T.D.
            
             by
             way
             of
             Question
             ,
             or
             otherwise
             ,
             as
             I
             am
             slanderously
             accused
             ,
             see
             the
             following
             Certificate
             :
          
           
             
               
                 
                   
                     
                       As
                       concerning
                       the
                       Report
                       that
                       hath
                       been
                       made
                       Question
                       of
                       ,
                       touching
                    
                     T.
                     Danson
                     '
                     
                       s
                       exercising
                       himself
                       at
                       Bowls
                    
                     ,
                     &c.
                     
                       when
                       Minister
                       at
                    
                     Sandwich
                     ;
                     
                       I
                       can
                       certifie
                       that
                       I
                       had
                       this
                       Report
                       from
                       an
                    
                     Independent
                     
                       who
                       was
                       an
                       Inhabitant
                       at
                    
                     Sandwich
                     ,
                     
                       and
                       who
                       ,
                       if
                       Occasion
                       require
                       ,
                       I
                       question
                       not
                       but
                       will
                       evidence
                       it
                       ;
                       and
                       accordingly
                       I
                       made
                       mention
                       of
                       this
                       Report
                       to
                    
                     George
                     Whitehead
                     ,
                     
                       witness
                       my
                       Hand
                    
                     ,
                  
                   
                     
                       Isaac
                       Chatwode
                       .
                    
                  
                
              
            
          
           
             Now
             judge
             ,
             serious
             Reader
             ,
             how
             unjustly
             T.H.
             hath
             represented
             me
             ,
             as
             putting
             the
             
             Question
             
               meerly
               to
               slander
               T.
               D.
            
             (
             whether
             he
             be
             concern'd
             ,
             or
             not
             ,
             I
             determine
             not
             )
             which
             thing
             hath
             been
             perversly
             hinted
             in
             several
             Pamphlets
             against
             us
             :
             And
             whether
             or
             no
             ,
             the
             said
             Question
             doth
             prove
             it
             our
             
               Answer
               ,
               Words
               or
               Principle
            
             ,
             to
             say
             ,
             
               That
               it
               concerns
               us
               to
               render
               our
            
             Adversaries
             
               as
               ridiculous
               as
               we
               can
               ;
               or
               that
               we
               will
               insinuate
               by
               way
               of
               Question
               something
               that
               may
               be
               a
            
             Slander
             
               to
               them
            
             ,
             as
             T.H.
             hath
             Dialogued
             the
             Matter
             in
             our
             Name
             after
             a
             most
             abusive
             sort
             beyond
             all
             Bounds
             of
             Honesty
             or
             Civility
             ;
             who
             farther
             attempts
             to
             prove
             that
             my
             Question
             before
             was
             put
             ,
             
               meerl●
               to
               slander
               him
            
             ,
             from
             what
             
               W.
               P.
            
             alledges
             in
             this
             very
             thing
             ,
             which
             is
             ,
             
               Who
               knows
               not
               that
               the
               Priests
               give
               themselves
               a
               Liberty
               in
               more
               than
               that
               ?
               What
               Game
               do
               they
               almost
               scruple
               to
               play
               at
               ?
            
             which
             is
             so
             far
             from
             proving
             that
             the
             Question
             was
             askt
             ,
             
               meerly
               to
               slander
               him
            
             ,
             that
             it
             rather
             renders
             the
             Report
             credible
             ,
             or
             at
             least
             that
             we
             might
             suppose
             ,
             there
             was
             some
             Ground
             for
             it
             ;
             and
             to
             be
             sure
             ,
             this
             Instance
             is
             far
             enough
             from
             making
             good
             T.
             Hicks's
             Charge
             against
             the
             Quakers
             ,
             as
             before
             ;
             but
             sufficient
             to
             shew
             his
             great
             Malice
             &
             Falsehood
             ;
             and
             these
             Coverings
             will
             not
             hide
             him
             :
             It
             is
             his
             own
             Sin
             ,
             to
             insinuate
             by
             way
             of
             Question
             ,
             to
             
               slander
               us
            
             ;
             for
             thus
             he
             hath
             done
             by
             
             us
             and
             our
             Sufferings
             ,
             witness
             his
             base
             and
             Deceitful
             Questions
             ,
             insinuating
             ,
             that
             the
             
               Satisfaction
               of
               our
               Wills
               and
               Lusts
               ,
               the
               promoting
               our
               Carnal
               Interests
               ,
               is
               ,
               or
               may
               be
               our
               chief
               Motive
               or
               Inducement
               ,
               to
               suffer
               as
               we
               use
               to
               do
               ,
            
             Dial.
             1.
             pag.
             75.
             
          
           
             This
             he
             hath
             made
             no
             Scruple
             to
             insinuate
             by
             Way
             of
             Question
             against
             us
             ,
             and
             yet
             maketh
             it
             a
             great
             Crime
             ,
             to
             ask
             a
             Question
             that
             seem'd
             probable
             about
             
               a
               Report
               of
               a
            
             Parish
             Priest's
             
               Playing
               at
               Bowls
            
             .
          
           
             And
             be
             it
             noted
             also
             ,
             that
             for
             a
             further
             Proof
             of
             his
             Charge
             against
             us
             ,
             he
             brings
             this
             Instance
             ,
             pag.
             24.
             viz.
             
               If
               any
               Persons
               write
               or
               speak
               their
               Grief
               that
               the
               publick
               take
               notice
               of
               it
               ,
               they
               will
               represent
               them
               under
               such
               Terms
               as
               may
               render
               them
               Odious
               ;
               and
               the
               more
               effectually
               to
               weaken
               their
               Testimonies
               ,
               they
               will
               fix
               upon
               them
               scurrilous
               and
               contemptible
               Appellations
               ,
               and
               to
               prevent
               any
               Inquisition
               into
               the
               Truth
               of
               the
               Matter
               they
               would
               make
               People
               believe
               that
               they
               are
               Envious
               ,
               Malicious
               ,
               Dirty
               ,
               Factious
               and
               Ranting
               Spirits
               .
            
             And
             for
             these
             general
             Accusations
             (
             which
             we
             may
             say
             ,
             are
             very
             Abusive
             and
             False
             )
             he
             quotes
             
               Spir.
               of
               the
               Hat
            
             ,
             pag.
             36
             ,
             37.
             which
             is
             so
             far
             from
             being
             any
             
               of
               our
               Books
            
             ,
             or
             any
             one
             's
             
               Eminent
               among
               us
            
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             an
             Envious
             Apostate's
             ,
             a
             
               Libellous
               Pamphlet
            
             ,
             yet
             promoted
             
             and
             spread
             by
             some
             Baptists
             against
             us
             ,
             who
             are
             beholding
             to
             Apostates
             and
             Back-sliders
             for
             their
             Engines
             to
             work
             against
             the
             People
             of
             God
             call'd
             Quakers
             ,
             who
             have
             retained
             their
             Integrity
             in
             the
             Truth
             ;
             But
             the
             said
             
               Lying
               Pamphlet
            
             styl'd
             
               The
               Spirit
               of
               the
               Hat
            
             ,
             was
             plainly
             opposed
             and
             seriously
             answer'd
             by
             our
             Friends
             in
             their
             Book
             ,
             entitul'd
             
               The
               Spirit
               of
            
             Alexander
             
               the
               Coppersmith
               ,
               &c.
            
             yet
             these
             Baptists
             in
             their
             Preface
             ,
             would
             make
             the
             World
             believe
             ,
             
               That
               the
               Books
            
             (
             
               produced
               and
               cited
               by
            
             T.
             Hicks
             
               for
               his
               Discharge
               from
            
             Forgery
             )
             
               were
               the
               Books
               of
               such
               as
               have
               been
               and
               now
               are
               Chief
               Leaders
               among
               the
               Quakers
            
             ;
             but
             neither
             tell
             us
             Who
             ,
             nor
             
               What
               Chief
               Leader
            
             the
             Author
             of
             the
             
               Spirit
               of
               the
               Hat
            
             ever
             was
             or
             is
             among
             us
             .
             Now
             you
             that
             have
             concern'd
             your selves
             for
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             Do
             you
             think
             to
             acquit
             him
             from
             Forgery
             by
             such
             Proceding
             ?
             Have
             you
             approv'd
             your selves
             either
             Just
             or
             
               Impartial
               Men
            
             ,
             to
             admit
             of
             our
             Adversary's
             Accusations
             for
             Proof
             ,
             to
             Clear
             your
             Brother
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             and
             Blemish
             us
             ?
             No
             ,
             No
             ;
             Such
             Work
             will
             neither
             clear
             you
             nor
             him
             ,
             while
             
               Justice
               and
               Truth
               is
               faln
               in
               your
               Streets
               ,
            
             and
             you
             have
             
               not
               suffer'd
               Equity
               to
               enter
            
             :
             You
             are
             Witnesses
             on
             behalf
             of
             a
             Forger
             ,
             and
             your
             Confederacy
             therein
             is
             Impious
             ,
             and
             
               God
               will
               break
               it
               and
               bring
               you
               to
               Judgment
               .
            
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             VI.
             About
             our
             Ministers
             &
             our
             owning
             the
             Scriptures
             .
          
           
             ANd
             also
             
               Thomas
               Hicks
            
             having
             falsly
             accused
             us
             ,
             
               That
               we
               appoint
               our
               Ministers
               aforehand
               to
               speak
               in
               such
               a
               Place
               at
               such
               a
               Time
               ,
            
             Dial
             ,
             2.
             p.
             66.
             
             For
             Proof
             of
             this
             he
             again
             citeth
             that
             lying
             Pamphlet
             ,
             
               Spir.
               of
               Hat
            
             ,
             in
             these
             Words
             ;
             
               What
               meaneth
            
             (
             saith
             he
             of
             the
             Quakers
             )
             
               that
               certain
               Persons
               are
               appointed
               to
               spend
               the
               whole
               Time
               in
               speaking
               in
               every
               Meeting
               ,
               and
               all
               the
               rest
               to
               come
               as
               Hearers
               ,
               neglecting
               the
               Gift
               in
               themselves
               ,
               only
               waiting
               upon
               their
               Lips
               ,
            
             Spirit
             of
             the
             Hat
             ,
             p.
             29.
             
          
           
             Which
             is
             also
             as
             arrant
             a
             Falshood
             as
             his
             Charge
             before
             ;
             for
             1
             st
             ,
             we
             do
             not
             so
             appoint
             our
             Ministers
             or
             certain
             Persons
             before
             hand
             to
             speak
             in
             such
             a
             Place
             and
             Time
             ,
             or
             to
             spend
             the
             whole
             Time
             in
             speaking
             .
             2
             dly
             ,
             Neither
             do
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             Hearers
             neglect
             their
             Gift
             ,
             or
             only
             wait
             upon
             their
             Lips
             ,
             but
             upon
             the
             Lord
             ,
             and
             all
             are
             referred
             to
             the
             Guidance
             of
             God's
             free
             Spirit
             in
             themselves
             ,
             
             having
             a
             free
             Liberty
             therein
             to
             improve
             and
             make
             Use
             of
             their
             Gifts
             ,
             as
             God
             shall
             call
             ,
             there
             being
             both
             Gospel
             Liberty
             and
             Order
             among
             us
             ,
             and
             
               the
               Spirit
               of
               the
               Prophets
               subject
               to
               the
               Prophets
            
             ;
             and
             Gospel-Ministers
             have
             Unity
             in
             the
             Spirit
             ,
             and
             with
             one
             anothers
             Testimony
             ,
             which
             is
             not
             of
             Man
             ,
             nor
             by
             the
             Will
             of
             Man
             :
             However
             ,
             these
             Baptists
             seek
             to
             clear
             their
             Brother
             by
             such
             false
             Stories
             as
             before
             ,
             scraped
             out
             of
             an
             Apostate
             and
             Enemies
             Pamphlet
             .
          
           
             Another
             Charge
             ,
             falsly
             insinuating
             ,
             
               That
               we
               do
               not
               really
               or
               fully
               own
               the
               Holy
               Scriptures
               ,
            
             is
             this
             ,
             viz.
             
               That
               the
            
             Quakers
             
               own
               the
               Scripture
               as
               far
               as
               it
               agrees
               to
               the
               Light
               in
               them
               :
            
             And
             for
             Proof
             of
             this
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             saith
             ,
             
               This
               is
               proved
               in
               their
               asserting
               the
               Scriptures
               to
               be
               given
               forth
               from
               the
               Light
               within
               .
            
          
           
             Whereas
             this
             is
             a
             Proof
             ,
             that
             we
             fully
             own
             the
             Scriptures
             without
             any
             such
             Exception
             or
             Reservation
             ,
             as
             is
             implyed
             in
             the
             Charge
             before
             ;
             for
             it
             is
             apparent
             ,
             that
             we
             fully
             own
             the
             Light
             within
             to
             be
             Infallible
             ,
             and
             therefore
             the
             Scriptures
             which
             came
             from
             it
             to
             be
             really
             true
             :
             However
             ,
             the
             Dialogueman
             would
             be
             accounted
             a
             very
             exact
             Drawer
             of
             Consequences
             ,
             even
             such
             an
             one
             as
             would
             
               not
               abate
               a
               Word
            
             of
             his
             Dialogues
             ,
             but
             
             would
             have
             them
             be
             believed
             as
             Real
             Truths
             ,
             though
             they
             be
             
               no
               Real
               Discourses
            
             ,
             as
             he
             hath
             since
             confessed
             ,
             in
             Answer
             to
             T.
             R's
             Objection
             ,
             That
             the
             Dialogue
             is
             presented
             to
             the
             World
             ,
             as
             a
             
               Real
               Discourse
            
             ;
             to
             which
             he
             answers
             ,
             
               I
               do
               assure
               him
               it
               was
               not
               so
               understood
               or
               intended
               by
               me
               in
               the
               publishing
               of
               it
            
             (
             he
             should
             then
             have
             told
             the
             World
             so
             )
             but
             then
             he
             adds
             ,
             
               though
               it
               be
               as
               True
               and
               Real
               ,
               as
               though
               it
               had
               been
               a
               Verbal
               Discourse
            
             ;
             whenas
             much
             of
             his
             Dialogues
             is
             made
             up
             of
             Consequences
             of
             his
             own
             framing
             ,
             yet
             he
             hath
             sought
             to
             make
             the
             World
             believe
             ,
             that
             the
             Answers
             given
             are
             
               no
               other
               then
               what
               the
            
             Quakers
             give
             ;
             and
             that
             the
             Matters
             he
             had
             objected
             were
             
               Real
               Truths
               and
               no
               Factions
            
             :
             But
             doth
             not
             his
             Charge
             and
             Consequence
             before
             imply
             such
             Untruth
             as
             this
             his
             unjust
             Charge
             ,
             
               That
               the
            
             Quakers
             
               undervalue
               or
               slight
               the
               Holy
               Scriptures
               ,
               or
               account
               them
               of
               no
               more
               Authority
               then
            
             Esop
             '
             
               s
               Fables
            
             ?
             And
             that
             all
             this
             follows
             from
             their
             asserting
             
               the
               Scriptures
               to
               be
               given
               forth
               from
               the
               Light
               within
               ,
               which
               they
               so
               highly
               esteem
               of
               and
               own
               to
               be
               Infallible
            
             ?
             Yea
             ,
             and
             he
             has
             procur●d
             many
             Witnesses
             and
             Abettors
             also
             to
             subscribe
             his
             Work
             ;
             but
             they
             should
             more
             strictly
             have
             examined
             his
             Proofs
             and
             Consequences
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Sect.
             VII
             .
             How
             
               T.
               H.
            
             begun
             his
             second
             Dialogue
             with
             a
             Forgery
             and
             his
             Deceitful
             Shift
             for
             it
             .
          
           
             WHeareas
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             in
             his
             second
             Dialogue
             begun
             with
             this
             Charge
             and
             Question
             ,
             viz.
             
               I
               have
               formerly
               detected
               you
               of
               several
               pernicious
               Opinions
               concerning
               the
               Scriptures
               ,
               the
               Light
               within
               ,
               the
               Person
               of
               Christ
               ,
               and
               the
               Resurrection
               of
               the
               Dead
               ,
               &c.
               which
               I
               presume
               by
               this
               time
               you
               have
               consider'd
               ,
               what
               say
               you
               thereunto
            
             ?
          
           
             To
             which
             he
             gives
             this
             Answer
             in
             the
             Quakers
             Name
             ,
             viz.
             
               I
               say
               tho
               Plagues
               and
               Judgments
               of
               God
               will
               follow
               thee
            
             [
             and
             to
             this
             subscribeth
             ]
             
               George
               Whitehead
            
             .
          
           
             But
             T.
             Hicks's
             Abuse
             and
             Falshood
             herein
             was
             detected
             in
             
               W.
               P's
            
             Answer
             to
             his
             last
             Dialogue
             ,
             
               Counterf
               .
               Christian
            
             ,
             pag.
             19
             ,
             20
             ,
             21.
             
             As
             also
             his
             Forgery
             herein
             laid
             upon
             him
             in
             my
             Appendix
             to
             
               Reason
               ag
               .
               Railing
            
             ,
             p.
             13.
             
             Howbeit
             ,
             he
             is
             not
             ashamed
             in
             the
             
               Barbican
               Relation
            
             to
             say
             ,
             
               The
               Truth
               of
               this
               Answer
               see
               attested
               under
               Mr
            
             John
             Gladman
             '
             
               s
               hand
            
             ,
             Dial.
             3.
             pag.
             85.
             
          
           
           
             I
             do
             not
             think
             that
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             can
             be
             ignorant
             of
             his
             wittingly
             wronging
             both
             me
             and
             
               John
               Gladman
            
             in
             this
             case
             ;
             for
             observe
             ,
             doth
             
               Jo.
               Gladman
            
             in
             the
             place
             quoted
             attest
             ,
             that
             this
             was
             
               G.
               W's
               Answer
               to
               the
               Question
               to
               which
               it
               is
               annexed
               by
               T.
               H.
               in
               G.
               W's
               Name
            
             ?
             No.
             But
             that
             G.W.
             
               spoak
               the
               Words
               in
               Discourse
               with
               him
               ,
            
             that
             is
             ,
             with
             
               John
               Gladman
            
             ;
             Not
             to
             T.
             H.
             in
             Answer
             to
             his
             Question
             :
             If
             
               J.
               Gladman
            
             speak
             his
             Conscience
             ,
             he
             dare
             not
             attest
             that
             this
             was
             
               G.
               W's
               Answer
            
             to
             this
             Question
             to
             which
             it
             is
             here
             adjoyned
             as
             
               his
               Answer
            
             or
             
               saying
               thereunto
            
             ;
             Therefore
             T.H.
             
               is
               a
               Forger
            
             ,
             and
             hath
             cheated
             his
             Witnesses
             ,
             and
             drawn
             in
             
               J.
               Gladman
            
             for
             a
             
               Cover
               to
               his
               Deceit
            
             ;
             which
             shews
             his
             Spirit
             and
             Work
             to
             be
             in
             the
             Dark
             ,
             like
             that
             of
             an
             Impostor
             and
             Jugler
             in
             these
             matters
             ;
             And
             
               Men
               fearing
               God
            
             ,
             would
             be
             ashamed
             either
             to
             be
             his
             Witnesses
             ,
             or
             to
             countenance
             ,
             or
             encourage
             him
             therein
             .
             Although
             I
             deny
             not
             ,
             that
             I
             spake
             any
             such
             Words
             against
             T.
             H.
             at
             any
             time
             ,
             as
             J.
             G.
             hath
             unfairly
             represented
             me
             ,
             in
             telling
             the
             World
             ,
             
               That
               G.
               W.
               denyeth
               he
               said
               so
            
             (
             against
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             )
             Dial.
             3.
             pag.
             85.
             for
             my
             Answer
             shows
             the
             contrary
             in
             my
             said
             Appendix
             ,
             p.
             13.
             though
             still
             I
             deny
             that
             to
             be
             my
             Answer
             unto
             
               T.
               H's
            
             Question
             before
             ;
             however
             ,
             as
             I
             did
             not
             question
             (
             as
             in
             my
             Appendix
             )
             
             but
             that
             
               the
               Judgments
               of
               God
               would
               follow
            
             T.
             Hicks
             
               for
               his
               Forgeries
               &
               Slanders
            
             ;
             so
             I
             am
             of
             the
             same
             mind
             still
             ,
             and
             my
             so
             speaking
             I
             neither
             did
             give
             ,
             nor
             do
             give
             for
             an
             Answer
             to
             his
             particular
             Questions
             :
             But
             in
             his
             fictitiously
             placing
             it
             ,
             as
             my
             saying
             to
             that
             one
             Question
             before
             ,
             he
             might
             as
             well
             have
             made
             it
             serve
             to
             every
             Question
             in
             all
             his
             Dialogues
             ,
             which
             was
             never
             so
             intended
             nor
             spoaken
             by
             me
             ;
             but
             with
             reference
             to
             his
             
               Forgeries
               and
               Slanders
            
             in
             general
             .
          
           
             There
             are
             divers
             other
             things
             in
             their
             Relation
             aforesaid
             ,
             which
             concern
             
               Geo.
               Keith
               ,
               W.
               Penn
            
             and
             others
             ,
             that
             we
             might
             justly
             except
             against
             ,
             but
             they
             are
             answered
             elsewhere
             ,
             and
             we
             could
             have
             wish'd
             ,
             that
             you
             who
             are
             
               T.
               H's
               Witnesses
            
             ,
             would
             have
             seriously
             perus'd
             our
             former
             Answers
             to
             
               T.
               H.
            
             wherein
             his
             
               Forgeries
               ,
               Slanders
               ,
               Perversions
            
             and
             plain
             self-Contradictions
             are
             laid
             open
             ,
             particularly
             in
             those
             Books
             ,
             entitul'd
             ,
             
               Reason
               against
               Railing
            
             ,
             and
             
               Counterfit
               Christian
               detected
            
             ,
             from
             page
             6.
             to
             p.
             54.
             this
             might
             both
             have
             prevented
             that
             Disgrace
             &
             Trouble
             that
             is
             since
             befaln
             you
             ,
             by
             engaging
             for
             such
             an
             Agent
             ;
             and
             that
             you
             would
             be
             pleas'd
             yet
             seriously
             to
             view
             all
             the
             Controversies
             ,
             you
             may
             perceive
             many
             Particulars
             charg'd
             against
             
               T.
               Hicks
            
             ,
             which
             neither
             himself
             ,
             nor
             
             you
             have
             either
             answer'd
             ,
             or
             in
             the
             least
             clear'd
             him
             of
             :
             And
             further
             consider
             those
             Particulars
             charg'd
             against
             him
             out
             of
             his
             
               fictitious
               Dialogues
            
             ,
             printed
             in
             our
             Friends
             late
             Account
             of
             the
             Meeting
             with
             you
             at
             Barbican
             ,
             the
             9th
             of
             the
             8th
             Month
             ,
             1674.
             as
             in
             Pag.
             8
             ,
             9
             ,
             10
             ,
             11.
             
             &
             31
             ,
             32
             ,
             33
             ,
             34
             ,
             35
             ,
             36
             ,
             37
             ,
             38
             ,
             39.
             pages
             of
             the
             said
             Account
             ;
             also
             George
             Keith's
             late
             Vindication
             .
          
           
             I
             hope
             you
             have
             consider'd
             that
             moderate
             Account
             ,
             which
             your
             Friend
             and
             Brother
             ,
             
               W.
               L.
            
             hath
             given
             in
             his
             Book
             ,
             entitul'd
             ,
             
               The
               Twelve
               Pagan
               Principles
               or
               Opinions
               ,
               &c.
            
             and
             what
             a
             Serious
             Check
             it
             containeth
             to
             
               Thomas
               Hicks
            
             ,
             for
             his
             Immoderation
             and
             Unfair
             Dealing
             .
          
           
             
               George
               Whitehead
               .
            
          
        
      
    
     
       
         
           Page
           17.
           
           Line
           13.
           there
           should
           be
           a
           noted
           stop
           (
           or
           this
           ‖
           direction
           )
           after
           [
           Proved
           ]
           to
           which
           the
           Margent
           refers
           .
           p
           28
           ,
           l.
           25.
           for
           every
           read
           very
           .
           p.
           4●
           .
           l.
           5.
           for
           for
           1.
           so
           .
        
      
       
         Notes, typically marginal, from the original text
         
           Notes for div A65881-e1150
           
             *
             
               Dial.
               p.
            
             63.
             
             &
             Title-Page
             .
          
           
             Mat.
             27.58
             .
             Joh.
             2.19
             &
             20.12
             .
             Luke
             24.3
             .
          
           
             Heb.
             10.5
             .
          
           
             *
             Which
             having
             various
             Significations
             ,
             their
             being
             imposed
             hath
             caused
             Divisions
             and
             fruitless
             Contests
             .
          
           
             *
             In
             his
             Book
             entit
             .
             
               Light
               from
               the
               Sun
               of
               Righteousness
               ,
            
             p.
             94.
             
          
        
         
           Notes for div A65881-e7780
           
             *
             when
             it
             is
             probable
             ,
             they
             had
             heard
             that
             before
             the
             Meeting
             .
          
           
             Dial.
             1.
             p.
             62
             ,
             75.
             
          
           
             Append.
             p.
             17.
             
          
           
             Appendix
             ,
             p.
             20
             ,
             21
             ,
             23.
             
          
           
             *
             See
             Hen.
             Grigg's
             Light
             from
             the
             Sun
             ,
             
               p.
               30.
               31
               ,
               33
               ,
               34.
               
            
          
           
             *
             See
             J.
             Newman's
             Light
             within
             ,
             
               p.
               55
               ,
               66
               ,
               72.
               answered
               by
               me
               in
               my
               Book
               ,
            
             Christ
             ascended
             ,
             
               p.
               18
               ,
               19
               ,
               20
               ,
               21.
               
            
          
           
             Dial.
             3.
             p.
             33.
             
          
           
             P.
             17.
             
          
           
             P.
             26.
             
          
           
             Rom.
             2.29
             .
             &
             7.6
             .
          
           
             2
             Cor.
             3.6
             .
          
           
             Hebr.
             9.10
             .
          
           
             Rom.
             7.6
             .
          
           
             On
             Joh.
             1.4
             .