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Society of Friends -- Apologetic works. 2004-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-12 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-01 Emma (Leeson) Huber Sampled and proofread 2005-01 Emma (Leeson) Huber Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE Counterfeit Convert , A SCANDAL TO CHRISTIANITY , AND His unjustly opposing Quakerism to Christianity justly reprehended . AND THE True Christ , and Holy Scripures Confessed by the QUAKERS . In opposition to Two Scandalous Books falsly styled I. Quakerism Withering , and Christianity Reviving . II. Animadversions on G. Whitehead's Book , Innocency Triumphant . Obad. 3. The Pride of thine Heart hath deceived thee . Rom. 1. 31. Without natural Affection , Implacable , Unmerciful . LONDON : Printed and Sold by T. Sowle , at the Crooked-Billet in Holloway-Lane ; Shoreditch , 1694. AN EPISTLE TO THE Impartial READER . I Do hereby sincerely and in good Conscience declare , that 't is not for Controversy's sake , nor in love thereto , that I am so much engaged therein ; a Peaceable and Amicable Conversation towards all Men , and their Quiet Behaviour , ( though of different Perswasions ) being far more desirable and acceptable to me : Nor am I the beginner of these Controversies or Contentions , being wholly defensive in my Concern therein ; but for the living Truth and an Innocent Peoples sake , to remove those gross Aspersions which are cast upon both , chiefly by Contentious Apostate Adversaries , which are of the most disingenuous and malicious , who are more skilful in Perverting and Aspersing , than Disputing ; their Pamphlets being stuft with Reviling and Railery , not with Argument . And if I did not really believe a necessity laid upon me ( in point of Conscience towards God , and love to his People , ) to discover and oppose their foul Abuses , bitter Aspersions and gross Calumnies , they might rail on against my self and others , till wearied and out of Breath , and the Fire of their own Envy consume them . But the Controversie is not Personal only , but the Holy Truth is concerned , our Christian Faith and Religion is concerned , our Holy Profession is concerned : And these furious Adversaries will needs concern , ( and would fain incense ) the Civil Government with their invective Pamphlets against us , to render u● as highly obnoxious to the same as they can ▪ And therefore we have been the more under a necessity to detect , oppose and obviate their malicious Designs , that our Innocency may not unjustly lye under such Clouds of Infamy and Scandals as they unjustly cast upon us . As Fra. Bugg endeavoured to incense the House of Commons , against the People called Quakers , with a Malicious Pamphlet ( to interrupt our Endeavours for Relief of the said People in the Case of Oaths , ) therein most falsly charging the said People with Denying Jesus of Nazareth , Contempt of Governours , Christ's Ministers and Magistrates , Scripture , &c. Having before in his late Book stiled New Rom. Arraign'd , termed Twelve of us Perjured Persons for our Negative Testimony against his so charging the Quakers with Denying Jesus of Nazareth , &c. and thereupon acting his Mock-Trial , forging our Answers and Erecting the form of a Pillory , and thereby scandalizing divers Citi●ens ( of good Repute and Credit , ) as Per●ured Persons , thereby affecting not only ●heir Christian , but Civil Reputations , ●randing the said People and their Mini●●ers , with these Characters , viz. New ●ome , Rome's Sister , the Papists their ●rethren , and with following the Steps of the Jesuits ; and withal , terming one of their Ministers , one of her chief Cardinals ; ( i. e. New Rome's , ) and consequently this is no better than to render the said People Papists in a high degree . Now let the Impartial and Judicious judge : First , Whether his unjust Attempts herein , and his thus misrepresenting us , do not greatly ten● to lessen and injure the Protestant Interest , and consequently to gratifie the Papists . Secondly . Ana is not this a plain Contradiction to the Government , which has been pleased legally to recognize us as Dissenting Protestants . Thirdly , And what Ingenuity , Honesty or Prudence hath F. Bugg or his Abettors shewn , in thus representing a Body of Protestant Subjects , as New Rome , Papists ? &c. What a New Rom● under the English Protestant Government Strange Reflection ? Fourthly , And whether F. B's . thus contradicting the Government 's recognizing us ( by Law ) as Dissenting Protestants ( by his thus defaming us as New Rome , Rome's Sister , Papists Brethren , &c. ) be not Seditious in the Natu●● and Tendency thereof , as tending to stir 〈◊〉 Discord and Strise amongst Protestant Subjects , and consequently to weaken the Interest of King and People ? Let the Prudent and Impartial judge . Fifthly , F. B's . rendring our Declaration to the King and Parliament , ( for the Divine Authority of the Holy Scripture , as inserted in the Act of Exemption ) Deceitful on our part , and to serve a turn , in his New Rome Arraign'd , p. 40 , 42. This is to go about to invalidate and destroy a principal Condition of our present Liberty : And is not this to Confront and Oppose the Governments acceptance of our said Declaration . All which , with many more misrepresentations and Calumnies against us in F. Bugg's Pamphlets , greatly bespeak his Deadly Malice , Revengeful and Unchristian Spirit , which we hope no Rational , Impartial or moderate Man , will Countenance or Encourage . To be sure such malicious Treatment , must needs be odious to all true Christians , and Merciful Men. And seeing I could not with all my late and earnest Endeavours , obtain a Meeting for a free and fair Debate with Fra. Bugg , ( when lately in London ) about the Controversie he has begun and published between us . I acquainted his Two Ministers ( viz. William Smithies of Cripplegate Parish , London , and Isaac Archer of Milden-hall in Suffolk , where he lives , ) with these ( and other ) his Abuses and Misrepresentations aforesaid against us , to try if they would put a stop to his farther proceeding therein ; shewing them by Letters wherein his Abuse and Calumnies against us , would affect them , ( he having the Reputation of a Convert , and his writing against us , approbation among some of the Clergy , by his own Confession . ) But his last Pamphlet being in the Press before my Letters to them , I suppose they had not opportunity to prevent or stop that . However it will concern them for the future , to stop his Malicious Attempts , otherwise I am perswaded his work will not be to their Credit or Reputation : But the more to the contrary , if they do not stop , and lay him aside , and provide better Tools to work withal , if minded fairly to Controvert Matters with us , or otherwise to let us live quietly , and on all hands to endeavour for Charity one towards another as much as we can . And seeing F. B. has presumed to dedicate his last Pamphlet , stiled Quakerism Withering , to the Bishop of Glocester , falsly charging the Teachers of the Quakers therein with Damnable Heresies , even Denying the Lord that bought them . And yet as one both uncertain and doubtful in his evil Attempts against us , proposes this Offer and Submission to the said Bishop in these Words , viz. I therefore do most humbly offer what I have wrote to your Lordship's perusal , and shall most willingly submit to your Censure , the Matters therein contained . And if for want of Judgment in the Matters controverted , I have wronged the Quakers , I shall most willingly retract and make them publick reparation . Hereupon , I and another Friend , i. e. Samuel Waldenfield , lately took occasion to repair to the said Bishop of Glocester , ( having the reputation of a moderate Person , ) and shewed him Fr. Bugg's said Pamphlet and Epistle dedicated to him , and this very Passage of his Submission , as not knowing but he had delivered it first in Manuscript to the Bishop , for his Perusal and Correction : Which when I enquired of him about , the Bishop answered , he had never seen it before , nor knew the Man. Whereupon I shewed him how preposterous it was for F. B. to expose his said Pamphlet in Print to general Judgment , before he had the Bishops Judgment about it , and how inconsistent with his said offer of his Book to his Perusal , and submitting to his Censure the Matters therein . How insincere F. B. was herein is obvious . It seems he was resolved to traduce and asperse the Quakers in Print first , that the Bishop might not have the opportunity to prevent him therein : Though for a Pretext and Colour , he Complements the Bishop with his Conditional Submission to his Censure and Judgment , whether he had wronged the Quakers or not . Did not this tend to make the World believe he had the Bishops Privity or Approbation therein , or otherwise , that he would not have div●lged what he had writ , because offered to the Bishops Perusal and Censure ? who knew nothing of it until 't was gone out into the World. What a Mockery and plain Abuse was this , ( tending to make the Bishop suspected of giving Countenance thereto . ) To whom we shewed also Bugg's other Book against us , stiled New Rome Arraign . with his Mock Trial and Condemnation of Perjury and Pillory against us , and the Occasion thereof ; which Calumnies the Bishop disowned , and could not allow of such Treatment . And I thought meet to give this hint thereof , to do the Bishop so much Justice , that he might not lye under the suspition of giving Countenance to this our Implacable Adversary , in these his Calumnies and bitter Invectives against us . As I did in the Postscript of my late Answer , Innocency Triumphant . For Henry Goldwell , Justice of Peace , and late Member of Parliament , to whom F. B. dedicated his other Scandalous Book , ( stiled New Rome Arraigned ) without his Privity or Knowledge ( as he confessed ) and for which he also told some of us , he severely advertised F. Bugg , when he saw it in Print ( with his Mock-Trial , Perjury and Pillory against us ) being sensible it was a Reflection on his Reputation , to be rendred or suspected as the Patroniser or Countenancer of such Scandalous Pamphlets . And 't is to be much more hoped , that the said Bishop will advertise F. B. for endeavouring to shelter himself under his Countenance or Reputation . [ In point of Civility , I thought meet to shew the said Bishop of Glocester , this foregoing Passage , ( relating to him about F. b's . Dedication ) in Manuscript , before 't was printed , because I had such occasion to make use of his Name in Print , that he might not be offended ; which he was not , but took it well from us : Samuel Waldenfield being then also present with me . ] However , whatever we suffer , there is a just and all-seeing God , that will judge righteously , do rightly , and finally determine the Controversie between the Two Seeds , the Righteous and the Wicked . To Him the Righteous Judge of all , we commit our Innocent Cause . Friendly Reader , my Concern in this Controversie , is designed only to vindicate Truth according to my understanding thereof , and to do particular Persons wronged , so much right ( as to their Principle ) as by referring to their own Explications ; for where either their Words are perverted , or seem dubious in the manner of Expressions , their own more full and clear Demonstrations ought to be taken notice of , in point of Justice to them . And where the whole Body or People called Quakers , are wrongfully charged about their Principles from particular Persons , 't is an absurd way of arguing , whether it be from any one 's defective or dubious manner of Expressions , ( or our Adversaries own perversions and misrepresentations . ) And in that case , to manifest Truth , and to do the said People right as to their Principles , &c. I find it the plainest way to have recourse to their Concurrent Testimonies and Harmonies of their Writers and Books , to evince the truth of their Principles to others . And this Method which I do sincerely observe all Religious and Christian Societies will allow of , and not condemn a whole Body of Sober Religious People , or Christian Society , for any particular shortness in manner of Expressions ; for that were very partial and unjust . And I doubt not but the Lord our God will stop the Mouth of Iniquity that 's open against us , and clear our Innocency more and more , that his Truth may prevail over Deceit and Envy , and the Upright in Heart shall see it , and rejoyce in the Lord , and in the prosperity of his blessed Truth , over his and their Enemies . From a Servant of Christ George Whitehead . London , the 3d. of the 2d . Month , 1694 , Reader , Note , That the omission of the Names of our present Opposers in the Title is , 1. Because of the Contempt brought upon them by their great Envy and outrage . 2. Lest their Names in the Title , should cause some to refuse inspecting this Treatise . In opposition to the great Abuses , Misrepresentations of F. Bugg , and his Advocate Tho. Crisp against us , the following Testimony ( which was lately delivered to the Parliament ) is added . WE whose Names are underwritten ( being in Christian Society with the People commonly called QUAKERS , ) Do in good Conscience Declare and Certifie all Persons concerned . 1. That we sincerely believe and Confess , That Jesus of Nazareth , who was born of the Virgin Mary , is the true Messiah , the very Christ , the Son of the Living God , to whom all his Prophets gave Witness . And we do highly value his Death , Sufferings , Works , Offices , and Merits for the Redemption and Salvation of Mankind , together with his Laws , Doctrine and Ministry . 2. That this very Christ of God , was and is the Lamb of God that takes away the Sins of the World , who was slain , was dead , and is alive , and lives for evermore , in his divine eternal Glory , Dominion and Power with the ●ather . 3. That the HOLY Scriptures of the Old and New Testament are of divine Authority , as being given by Inspiration from God. 4. And that Magistracy or Civil Government is God's Ordinance , the good ends thereof being for the Punishment of Evil-doers , and Praise of them that do well . And we know of no other Doctrine or Principle preached , maintained , or ever received among ( or by ) us since we were a People , contrary to these before mentioned . Signed in Behalf of the said People , Thomas Lower , William Crouch , William Ingram , William Meade , William Macket , Philip Ford , Francis Camfield , John Edge , Thomas Hutson , Charles Marshall , Josiah Ellis , Gilbert Latey , Theodor Eccleston , Joseph Wassey , Thomas Cox , John Bowater , Benjamin Antrobus , William Philips , Edward Brook , William Townsend , John Hall , George Oldner , Thomas Barker , Abraham Johnson , Tho. Twinbarrow , Michael Russel , John Harwood , John Danson , John Stringfellow ; William Paul , Fra. Etteridge , Benj. Bealing . THE Counterfeit Convert , A SCANDAL TO CHRISTIANITY . TO introduce the ensuing Reflections on F. Bugg's said Pamphlet , I think it expedient to give a brief Account of our late sincere and earnest Endeavours for a Meeting with him in London , fairly to debate the principal Matters in Controversie between him and the People called Quakers ; in order whereunto , in our printed Sheet , Entituled The Quakers Vindication against Fra. Bugg's Calumnies : The following Offer and Proposal was made , viz. And further seeing Fra. Bugg has shewn his Hatred and Revenge against George Whitehead , especially for discovering his Self-Condemnation and Malice , &c. I ( the Person concerned ) freely offer , and am willing ( with with the Lord's Asistance ) to make it plainly appear , before any Six , Ten or Twelve Competent Witnesses , who are moderate Men of Sense and common Reason , that Fr. Bugg has grossly and wickedly abused and perverted Truth , and wronged the People called Quakers , both in Charge Citation and Observation in his said Pamphlet ( which he delivered to the Parliament . ) And that in his Book New Rome Arigned , he has forged notorious Lies in other Mens Names to ridicule , defame and scandalize divers Citizens of London , and men of good Repute , condemning them also to the Pillory as Perjured Persons , in his pretended Tryal in a way of Judicature , unwarantably acted by himself , assuming the Place of both Judge , Accuser , Jury , Condemner and Executioner , with a form of a Pillory , and Effig●es in●● , to represent the persons so grosly scandalized by him : I say , for these Ends , I do profer , ( God willing ) to meet Fr. Bugg before Witnesses , at any convenient Time and Place , within the City of London , that the Persons so defamed by him , may be present . To which Proposal I subscribe — Gearge Whit●head . Hereunto Fr. Bugg gives an answer , with a new Charge , with Six Articles against the Quakers , and Six against George Whitehead , dated Jan. 29th , 1693 ; and he has printed what he saith is the substance of his said Answer , p. 5 , but he has left out of his printed , what really is the substance thereof , in the very beginning of it , namely , his acceptance of my printed Challenge , being in Writing thus , viz. George Whitehead . In answer to your faint Challenge , in your pretended Vindication to meet me in any place in London , the following Words he leaves out , viz. [ I do accept thereof , and am come to London , being Sixty Miles to meet you . ] Observe here , how plainly and positively this his acceptance seems to be of my said Challenge , but how insincere evasive and shifting he was therein , his following indirect Terms shews insisting upon the Choice of Eight moderate Ministers , giving me my Choice whether to chose the whole number out of the Episcopalians , Presbyterians , Independants or Baptists , or whether each of us one out of each . And what was his intent in proposing such a Choice ? It was that the difference might be referred to such Ministers for them to Judge and Determine ; as he confessed at Jacob Franklings , the First of the twelfth Month , 1693 , in the Evening before several Witnesses . I shewed how unreasonable it was for me to give away Matters of Faith and Conscience , to such Persons of different Perswasion ; and how besides the terms of my Challenge for the Persons present to be Witnesses only of what passed , i. e. as to matter of Fact , and not to refer matters of Faith and Conscience to their Determination ; asking Bugg if he would refer all the Matters in Difference to Anabaptist Ministers ? ( whereof Sprinkling Infants was one , as he well knew , ) He answered , he would ; as indeed his own Proposal would have obliged him , if I had chosen the whole number of Anabaptist Ministers . By this those of the Church of England Clergy , who have encouraged Fr Bugg in his Scribling against the Quakers , may see what a Convert he is , and how litle of Religion or Stability he is come to , in his offering to refer Matters thereof to the Judgment of Presbyterian , Independant , or Anabaptists Ministers , whereby he had been liable to turn Presbyterian , Independant or Anabaptist . However , since Fr. Bugg so plainly had writ that he accepted of my Challenge , and came to London Sixty Miles to meet me , I closely pursued him by Letters , thereupon sending one Letter after another for some time , day by day , for a Meeting with him fairly to dispute Matters ; and seeing him Dillatory , and protracting Time by his various Terms he had to make one after another , I appointed several Meetings on purpose , and gave him timely notice thereof , as many are Witnesses to Six several Letters of mine sent him . And this thou Fr. Bugg knowest in thy own Conscience to be true ; and therefore mayest thou not be ashamed of thy sorry shifting and evading both my Challenge and thy own Acceptance thereof ; and yet in thy own Contradiction art driven to confess in these Words ; viz. Thus far then we agreed as to matter of Debate ; I in my Sheet offered to produce every Book and Page quoted , before Ten or Twelve Impartial Men , and by G. W. offered to make it appear before any Six , Ten , or Twelve Moderate Men , that I had wronged them . So that nothing remained now , but my coming to London to joyn Issue with G. W , As in Page 3 , of thy last Pamphlet stiled Quakerism Withering But that Agreement thou made shift to evade by other Terms ; one while by urging for Ministers of divers Perswasions as before , to be Judges of the Matters in Controversie : Another while , for a pre-Engagement to a Conditional Retraction under Hand ; another while to leave the Matters in Controversie to the Decision of Disinterested Persons , ( as thy Letters shew . ) And not only so , but thou woulst have pre-ingaged our Friends , ( whom thou hast scandalized with thy Mock Tryal and Pillory , as Perjured Persons , to Retraction and Condemnation , if proved False Witnesses . Another while thou woulst accept against G. W's Twelve Witnesses being present at the Debate , unless when the Certificate came under Examination , or called in when any Matter depending thereupon , was under Consideration ; as by thy Letters to me , which was contrary to my printed Challenge accepted by thee . Thou knowest what Exceptions I made against the inequality of these thy dilatory evasive Terms , and against thy Arrogancy , in bringing thy self into Competition with a Body of People , refusing therein to make any such unequal Bargain with thee , to gratifie thy Ambition . Whereupon I queried , First , Do any of the Clergy engage either themselves or the whole Clergy , to stand or fall by Bugg in his Controversie against a whole People and their Ministers . Secondly , Will any one or Two of the Clergy , ( who are Men of Repute ) personate and vindicate Bugg against the Quakers , as in my Letter to him dated the Twelfth of the Twelfth Month , 1693. Now F , Bugg thou art still partial and unjust , in leaving out my Answers to thy Offers and Terms in thy said Printed Pamphlets thou hast left out . First , Thy accepting my Printed Challenge , and coming Sixty Miles to London to meet me . Secondly , My Proffer to leave thee to thy Liberty , to bring whom thou pleased of Members of Parliament , or Ministers for Witnesses . Thirdly , My Answers to thy Offers , with my Exceptions against the partiality of thy terms , why didst not print them ? Fourthly : My Offers and Appointments of Three sundry Meetings , and thy absenting from Two of them ; and thy flying of about Terms at another of them , ( i. e. ) at Josiah Ellis's , ) after thou hadst granted interchangably to discourse Articles . Fifthly , Thy granting a Meeting before disinterested Persons , without retraction , and my Acceptance by Letters , containing what follows , viz. Our demand of Satisfaction , and positive challenge made to thee thereupon , for a fair and moderate Dispute within the City of London , before either Three , or Four , or Six , or Eight or Ten Competent Witnesses , being Dis-interested Persons : And withal , giving thee liberty to bring Two , Three or Four Persons to be thy Advocates or Assistants in the Discourse , who are Men of Civility and Sense , that we might have opportunity to vindicate our Christian and Civil Reputations from thy great Abuse and Scandal , affecting both , by thy defaming us as Perjured Persons in thy pretended Tryal and Pillory , &c. in thy N. Rom. Arraign . And to clear the People called Quakers from thy Calumnies in thy printed Sheet delivered to the Parliament , as particularly that of Denying Jesus of Nazareth , &c. As more largely appears in our Letter to thee , dated the Nineteenth of the Twelfth Month , 1693. Pursuant to which , we then gave thee Notice , That we intended ( God willing ) to meet in the upper Room , at the Bull and Mouth Meeting-House , within Aldersga●e , London , on the 22d of the same Month , about the 9th Hour in the Morning where thou hadst notice to meet us . And where accordingly divers of us , whom thou hadst scandalized as aforesaid , did then and there meet together , with several moderate disinterested Persons for Witnesses ; and also then and there we waited for thee Two Hours , ( or above ) but thou camest not , as the Persons here named are Witnesses . Gilbert Latey , Theodor. Eccl●●ston , Richard Needham , James Parke , William Robinson , Samuel Waldenfield . John Butcher , John Vaughton , Benjamin Antrobus , and others . So that thy Evasion and timorous sculking to secure thy self from fair disquisition of Matters , was notorious , and thou wast as well told of it home , by my next Letter to thee , dated the 23d of the 12th Month , 1693. And how apparent therein didst thou act ▪ contrary to thy own pretence of accepting my Challenge , and coming Sixty Miles to London , and wa●ing near Three Weeks for a Meeting with me . All thy slim Shifts , Boasting , Railing and Scandalizing us , will not cover thy Shame , Guilt and Cowardice which thou hast unjustly charged us withal , until 't is directly fallen upon thy self ; though thou falsly turnest the Story of the Pursuit against me , viz. But still I pursued him , ( sayst thou , p. 7. ) as if I had fled , when thou knowest the contrary how frequently I followed thee with Letters pursuant to my printed Challenge in the Quakers Vindication , seeing thou hadst accepted thereof ( in pretence . ) And therefore thy implying G. W. to have shuffled and evaded a fair Debate , p. 9. is notoriously false , as many can testifie , but true upon thy self : And as false is thy following Reflection ; viz. That G. W. promised in Print ; ( and what ? ) to leave the Matter to any moderate Men. What I offered in Print is obvious ; 't was for Moderate Men to be Witnesses , as in the said Q. Vind. but not to leave the Matters in Controversie to them as Judges to detetmine . Wherefore I was not free to pre-ingage to leave or refer Matters of Faith and Conscience to the judgment and determination of Persons of other Perswasions ; thereby to betray my Christian Liberty , and come under an Implicite Faith , which my Adversaries Terms would have imposed upon me ; though as I told him , I left others Judgments free , as I would have mine , without being preingaged or imposed upon . This was the general Reason of my not obliging my self to his Terms of others Decision . On our deeming thee F. B. a Self-condemned Apostate , p. ●0 . Thou questions , Is not 〈◊〉 throwing Dirt in the Face of the Government , r●●dring their Religion so false and erroneous , as 〈◊〉 whoever forsake you , and conform to the Established Religion , must therefore be Self-Condemned Apostates ? As if the Government and Establishe● Religion , must patronize and excuse all 〈◊〉 Uncharitableness , Malicious Attempts , Errors Lies , Calumnies and Enormities , under preten●● of thy conforming thereunto . But here th●● art out egregiously , thy Self-Condemnatio● and Temporising , is made obvious from t●● own Confession , to the tru●● of our Doctrine , Ministry , Society , Christian Love , and our Meeting as Blessed of God , even with the comfortable Enjoyment of his Presence , as in thy Quak. De●●c● since thy Conformity . Therefore thou argu● falaciously as well as maliciously , to render 〈◊〉 deeming thee a Self-Condemned Apostate , 〈◊〉 th●o●ing Dirt in the face of the Government , &c. This will not cover nor excuse thee before th● Great Judge of all ; thy Excuse herein being both irreligious and uncertain . And thenc● 't is apparent thou didst not in 1686 , accoun● the Quakers Criminal in point of Doctrine , seeing thou wast Confirmed , their Doctrine and Ministry was a dispensation of the Love of God sent 〈◊〉 a Visitation to Mankind as in thy said Qr. Detect . which many of the Conformists were never so Perswaded nor Confirmed , neither ever turned to be such Malicious , Inveterate Enemies and Persecutors as thou art . Therefore Self-Condemned Apostacy , cannot be so justly charged upon them as upon thee . Thy turning thy Testimony for the Quakers Doctrine and Ministry , as by thee given in 1686 , unto what thou thought of them in 58 and 60 , is a most base and false Prevarication , as well as contrary to the plain Grammatical import of thy own Testimony given in 1686 , ( Two Years after thy leaving us , and conforming to the Church of England , ) which thou confirmest in these positive Expressions , as thy then present Sense , viz. And in this Manner we went on for many Years , and loved one another with Love unfeigned . And doubtless God blessed our Meetings with the comfortable Enjoyment of his Presence . Thus thou in 1686 : How canst thou in Conscience alter and turn this to what thou thought of us in 58 and 60 ? Oh Hardned Man , and injuririous to thy own Conscience ; awake , awake to judgment ! Thy consequence also is very inconsequent and false , That by our Doctrine , Pious Sincere Christians are rendred Apostates for acknowledging themselves mistaken ( upon Conviction ) in that they once thought the Popish Doctrine true , &c. Quak. Wither , p. 12. For the First , Thou art no such Pious sincere Christian as left us , and conformed upon any such Conviction . Secondly , Thou wast not convicted that our Doctrine and Ministry were false or erroneous , when thou left us , nor when after thy Conformity thou confess'd it was a Dispensation of the love of God , and God blessed our Meetings , &c. Thy First Charge against the Quakers is , That they deny Jesus of Nazareth , who was born of the blessed Virgin Mary to be Christ , and the efficient Cause of Mans Salvation . Here are Two Charges made one , both which we positively and sincerely deny , as contrary to our profest and known Principles . The Scripture Texts * proving Jesus to be the Christ , &c. p. 14 , 15 , 16. we ever have and do sincerely believe and own . But that the Quakers ●●ach the contrary , ( as B●●gg ●aith ) we utterly deny , as a gross Calumny imposed upon us . His instance fo●…roof of from Isaac Pennington's Question to ●…ssors , wherein he distinguishes between Christ and the Body in which he came , and between the outward Vessel and the Inward Life , and not calling the Bodily Garment Christ , &c. i. e ▪ chiefly and in the first place Christ , as I. P. explains himself , is no Proof that the Quakers deny Jesus to be Christ , for he did not consist only of an outward Body or Vessel , he had both inward Life , Soul and Spirit , even as perfect Man , much more as God. And therefore Fr. Bugg's inference , that the Quakers would divide the Humanity from the Godhead is false ; they are distinguished but not divided in the entire Being of Christ ▪ as also that they can never call him Christ but a Vail , is falsly infinuated ; though his Flesh was called the Vail , Heb. 10. 20. This Objection has been plainly answered as well as the Question : Doth not the Name Christ belong to the whole Body , &c. In our Charitable Essay , p. 4. which Fr. Bugg gives the go by to , without Replication , running the rounds to his old Objection , Idem per Idem , imposing and begging the Question ; he will neither see , nor take Answers , how plainly soever given , thus impertinent and trifling he is . But to clear Isaac Pennington in this Point , he did not deny Jesus of Nazareth to be Christ , but sincerely confesseth to the same Jesus Christ in his Works , 2nd Part , p. 18. in these Words , viz. The Enemy hath raised up Jealousies and Prejudices against us , as if we denied the Scriptures and Ordinances of God , and that Christ that died at Jerusalem ; against which Isaac P. Answers , viz. First , That we do really in our Hearts own that Christ who came in the fulness of time in that prepared Body to do the Father's Will , ( His coming into the World , Doctrine , Miracles , Sufferings , Death , Resurrection , &c. in plainness and simplicity of Heart , according as it is exprest in the Letters of the Scripture . Secondly , That we own no other Christ than that , nor hold sorth no other thing for Christ but him , who then appeared and was made manifest in the Flesh. And p. 19. ibid. The Lord hath shewn me in Spirit , that they themselves are guilty of that very charge , ( and that he will so implead them at his Judgment Seat ) which they cast upon us , even of denying that Christ which died at Jerusalem to be Christ. Thus far Isaac Pennington . What more plain and innocent Testimony could Man have given ? Where 's now either his or the Quakers denial of Jesus of Nazareth to be Christ , as F. Bugg has over and over unjustly charged us . Another Instance out of the Christian Quaker , is that the holy Body , ( i. e. of Christ , ) was not instrumentally , without a share of the general Victory , and holy Priviledges obtained ; yet that the efficient and chiefest Cause was the Light and Life , p. 18. This is so far from either denying Jesus to be Christ , or the efficient Cause of Salvation , that it is a plain Confession that Jesus Christ was both the instrumental , and the efficient cause of Man's Salvation ; Instrumental in his Holy Body , and Efficient by his Light and Life : Seeing we preach no other Light or Life to effect Salvation , but that of Jesus Christ. And we know of no true Understanding Christians , but will confess that it was not the Humanity or Manhood of Christ only that effects or works Man 's Salvatian , without the Divinity , seeing as Man , he saith , I can of my Self do nothing ; as I hear I judge , John 5. 30. Wherefore Fr. Bugg's Inference that they , ( i. e. ) the Quakars , ) have robbed the blessed Jesus of one of his eminent Attributes , ( viz. of being the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation , ) is notoriously false and impertinent like the rest , ( Jesus Christ is a compleat Saviour . ) As also is F. B's other , That they insinuate by consequence that Him that was born of the Virgin , He is no otherwise a Saviour , than other good Men are , p. 21. Which he has flatly contradicted by his Instance immediately following , viz. If some Men in Scriptures are entituled Saviours , because of their Contribution of their Trials , Travels and Labours towards the Salvation of Mankind ; of much more right is that honour ascribed to Him who had the Spirit without Measure , &c. p. 21. Whereby its apparent , that much more Honour of a Saviour is ascribed to Christ , than to any other Men. Thus notorious is Bugg in his Contradiction to himself , most unjustly to prove his Lying Charge of their Denying Jesus to be the Christ , and the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation . Oh Horrible Insolency , and Self-Condemned Apostacy ! Now Fr. Bugg , I query of thee , 1. Didst thou , when a Quaker , deny Jesus to be the Christ. 2. Didst thou when a Quaker , deny Jesus to be the efficient cause of Man's Salvation ? 3. Didst thou when a Quaker , ever hear the Quakers deny Jesus to be the Christ in their Ministry . 4. Didst thou when a Quaker ever hear the Quakers Deny Christ to be the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation ? 5. Nay , didst thou deny Jesus to be the Christ , or the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation , when in the Name of the People called Quakers , thou confessedst , That in the beginning the inshining Light of Christ Jesus by his Heavenly Spiritual Appearance in the Hearts and Souls of his People , was our Principle , the very Foundation , Principle and Corner Stone of our Building ? See his De Christ. Lib. 2d Part , p. 24. 6. Didst thou deny Jesus Christ to be the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation , in thy confessing to this inshining Light of Christ Jesus , as the more sure word of Prophesie ; and that there was sufficiency in it , ( being obeyed ) to lead to Salvation ? Or in thy confessing to the vertue and excellency of this holy Unction , and to this word nigh in the Heart ; and to Christ Jesus the Second Adam , as he is a quickening Spirit , even to Christ within ; and thus People must wait to know him , except they were Reproba●es ? ibid. p. 25 , 26 , 27. 7. Didst thou by these Confessions , deny Jesus of Nazareth , who was born of the Virgin Mary , to be the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation ? 8. What notorious and gross Contradiction to thy self is it then for thee , to make ascribing the Salvation chiefly to the holy Light of Life in Christ , and unto his Body instrumentally , to be a denial of his being the efficient cause of Man's Salvation , Qu. Wither . p. 22. Seeing that Light of Life was the Light and Life of the same Jesus Christ. And I think it is a real owning Jesus Christ , who was born of the Virgin Mary , to be the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation , to confess that to his own holy Divine Light of Life , Salvation is chiefly ascribed ; but Instrumentally to his Body . And hath not the Apostle Paul the like Distinction , where he confesseth we were reconciled to God by the Death of his Son ; much more being reconciled , we shall be saved by his Life ? Rom. 5. 10. Here 's Reconciliation by his Death , and much more Salvation by his Life . Wherefore F. Bugg's Consequence against us , as bringing in Damnable Heresies , Denying the Lord Jesus Christ to be a compleat Saviour , p. 23. is a most foul and absurd Slander . His instance in p. 23 , that the Serpent is a Spirit , and therefore that promised Seed which bruiseth his Head , must be Spiritual : And that Seed is Christ. To which I add consequently , not only the outward Body or Flesh which he took upon him . I cannot understand how this can be a Denial , that Jesus Christ himself is the efficient Cause of Man's Salvation , unless F. Bugg doth think that Christ was made up only of that outward Body of Flesh , without any Divine Principle of Light and Life in him ; which I suppose he will not attempt to own or prove . For though Christ took upon him the Seed of Abraham according to the Flesh , and was the Seed of the Woman that bruises the Serpents Head , even the promised Seed , who through Death was to bruise under , and destroy him that had the power of Death , viz. The Devil , yet he effectually doth it by his Divine Power , Light and Life , as the immediate and efficient Cause of Man's Salvation : Wherein we still confess his Sufferings and Death in the Flesh Instrumentally to Contribute thereunto . Christ Jesus as the promised Seed , who came of a Woman made under the Law , bruised the Serpent's Head , both without us and within us ; without us , through his Sufferings and Death , ( by his Divine Testimony , Word and Power ; within us , by his Divine Life , Light , Word , ( or Seed , ) Spirit and Power , which is all but one Christ himself , not Two Christs , nor to be divided . Else how could we be born again of incorruptible Seed ? Or how doth that Seed remain in him that 's born again ? And is not that Seed Christ ? And is not the Word of Faith , Christ in Spirit ? 'T is well that F. B. grants the head of the Serpent in Men shall be bruised . Consequently this must be for their Salvation . And Christ therefore as inwardly revealed by ●is Spirit and Power the efficient Cause there of . Divers other absurd Consequences he draws upon us in this case not worth tracing . His other Instances to prove his false Charge of the Quakers denying Jesus to be Christ , and efficient Cause of Man's Salvation , are most grosly applied and perverted , as ( he saith ) by G. Fox's assuming Divine Attributes to himself , p. 26 , 27. Which we must needs look upon to be a reiterated aspersion . For where G. F. uses these Words , I am the Light , him by whom the World was made , and doth enlighten every Man that comes into the World , &c. This he speaks in the Name of Christ , and not of himself ; nor in his own Name , as his following Words plainly shews , viz. If you love the Light wherewith you are enlightened , you will love Christ , who saith Learn of me . Now F. B. Dost thou in Conscience believe that G. F. assumes this to himself , or that he himself made the World ? Or that he himself enlightens every Man ? 'T is very sad to see thee so hardened and wilfully perverse in thus perverting truth . Thou knowest better , and sins against knowledge in thy Calumnies against us . F. Bug's Second Charge against the Quakers , Their Books are Blasphemous , and their practice Idolatrous , &c. This we utterly deny as a Calumnious Clam●u● against our Books and practice in general : And therefore the more impossible for Fr. Bugg rationally to produce the Colour of proof thereof . Wherefore I question him about his pretended Allegations . 1. What Blasphemy or Idolatry was it for any of our Friends to write , viz. Thou , O North of England , out of thee did the Branch spring , and Star arise , which gives Light to all the Regions round about ; in thee the Sun of Righteousness appeared ? &c. 2. How proves F. Bugg that Fox's Disciples or Proselites , ( as he scornfully calls them , ) ecchoed back these Adorations to him ; as calling him the Branch , the Star , the Sun of Righteousness ? Alluding to Mic. 5. 2. Numb . 24. 17. Mal. 4. 2. Zech. 3. 8. p. 31. I challenge Bugg to prove where the Quakers gave these Titles to the Person of George Fox , or that he assumed them to himself ? Observe . I have viewed over that Epistle of Edward Burrough's , to the Camp of the Lord in England , p. 64 , 65 , 66 , 67 , where mention is made of the North of England , and where the Branch did spring , and the Star arise , and the Sun of Righteousness appeared , &c. And G. F. is not so much as mentioned , or named in all that Epistle ; and therefore Bugg has most shamefully belied and scandalized the Quakers in this point also ; not only in charging them , that the Quakers Prophets give Witness to G. Fox , instead of Christ ; that they call him the Branch , the Star , the Sun of Righteousness , and put the North of England for the Town of Bethlehem ▪ ( N. Rom. unm . Epist. to Ber. p. 2. ) But also , because of our Testimony against this Horrid Lye and Abuse ; among others , Bugg staged Twelve of us , ( being Citizens , Tradesmen and others of good Repute , ) in his Mock Tryal , wherein he condemns us for Perjured Persons to the Pillory , with a form thereof , ( in his N. Rom. Arraign . ) to redicule and most grosly defame us , both as to our Christian and Civil Reputations affected thereby . Oh , horrible Insolency and Wickedness in thee F. Bugg ! Thus wilfully to persist in thy Imposing gross Lies and Calumnies upon the World against us ! 3. What Divine Attributes did G. F. assume to himself , in saying he wrote from the Mouth of the Lord , or that he was cloathed with Righteousness ? p. 30. 5. How proves Bugg , that to be a true and entire Copy of John Audland's Letter to G. F. which he cites , p. 30 ? I deny his Citation ; and there 's reason to question the truth of it , being also so often varied in Print ; and particularly from the Copy sent me by John Pennyman ; besides the Date of 1665 given it , in the printed Libel , entituled , Some of the Quakers Principles , &c. gives more Cause to question the Truth of his Copy : For that Date was Two Years after John Audland Died , being in 1663 , ( 't is great Nonsense to suppose he writ it after he Died , ) as appears by their Register of Burials in Westmorland . And thou F. B. hast owned the said Libel and the composing of it , in thy N. Rom. Arr. p. 10. And didst thou find the Date of 1665 , on the said Letters ; or didst thou give it , or who did ? Answer truly . We may not be imposed upon by thy various uncertain Accounts or Equivocations in this Matter . 5. Which of you have the Original Letter of J. A's ? And which of you are able to make it appear , by comparing of Ha●ds to be his , ( as printed by thee ) as thou sayest ? p. 32. Which of you are so expert in his Hand , that you can make it so appear ex certa scientia ? I greatly question it . I am sure that John Audland believed in , ( and confessed ) the true Christ of God , according to Scripture , as is fully proved in his Works , cited in my Just Enquiry , ( p. 26 , 27 , 28 , 29. ) and that he esteemed G. F. no otherwise than eminently Instrumental in Christ , for his own and others help and comfort . 6. What Blasphemy and Idolatry canst thou prove against W. P. and others , in their Book Judas and Jews , and in excusing Josiah Coa's Letter ? Thy proofless Clamours will not do , to bear us down , nor thy hideous out-cry and clamour , that never greater Blasphemies were spoke by Man , than by Fox . For shame leave these thy Malicious Calumnies . 7. What Blasphemy and Idolatry provest thou against John Blackling's Testimony , that G. F. was blessed with honour above above many Brethren ? Were there not Elders worthy of double Honour ? And is not that Honour Eternal , which God gives , and is from above , and wherewith he Honours them , that Honour him ? 8. And that his Life Reigns , ( i. e. the Life that G. F. partook of , ) Is not Christ the Life of all his true Believers and Followers ? 9. His tender Words in the Lords Love were my S●●●'s Nourishment . If these were J. B's Words , what Blasphemy or Idolatry was in them ; as believing G. F. Instrumental in the Lord's Love for his Souls Comfort ? Did not Paul say , I have fed thee with Milk , and not with strong Meat ? 1 Cor. 3. 2. And did not Christ's Ministers comfort the otints who were in Trouble , by the Comfort where with they themselves were comforted of God ? 2 Cor. 1. 4. Were these Blasphemous or Idolatrous , supposest thou , F. Bugg ? Oh , how filthy , Loud and Clamourous art thou in thy Charges , and how poor , faint , dull and short in thy proof ! Fr. Bugg's Third Charge against the Quakers . That they deny the Scriptures , by speaking contemptously of them , &c. Their Contemptuous Expressions of the Holy Scripture , their contempt of the Holy Scriptures , p. 32 , 33. We utterly deny these his Charges , as both Calumnious , and directly contrary to our Principles . His Allegations are fully answered in these our Three Treatises , viz. A Charitable Essay ; A Just Enquiry , and Innocency Triumph●nt . But he is so tenacious to his own Opinion , and so Implacable , that he 'll receive no Answer ; but repeat and impose his old worn , Reproachful Stuff , over and over again . I am sure our Friends Books alledged by him , if impartially viewed , will clear them in this Case , from either Denying or Contemning the Holy Scriptures . And even that of News coming out of the North , so often objected , doth in divers parts of it clear the point , both by the numerous Quotations of the Scripture in the Margents , as also where it s therein said , the Lord hath spoken by his former Prophets ; and what ? The Scripture . And p. 8 , Christ Jesus the Substance of the Prophets , Ibid. The Testimonies of the Prophets of God , and Apostles of Christ ( against false Prophets and the Works of the World , ) owned , And p. 12 , 13. The Scriptures and Saints Conditions , and the Words spoken by the Prophets , Christ and his Apostles , owned . And in Eternal Substantial Truths , p. 17. The Life and power of God gave forth the Scriptures , ( he saith . ) Now could this be any Contempt of Holy Scripture ? No , but the Contrary . And where do the Quakers say , that to preach out of them , ( i. e. the Holy Scriptures ) is Conjuration ? There may be true Preaching out of the Holy Scripture by the Spirit of Truth ; and there is false Preaching , by perverting the Holy Scriptures . Bugg's own instance which is against them that study to raise a Living thing out of the Dead ; to raise the Spirit out of the Letter , are Conjurers and Diviners , their teaching not being from the mouth of the Lord , p. 34. This is no proof of his general Charge ▪ that to preach out of the Holy Scriptures , is Conjuration . Quer. Where proves he these Words ? His Observation is also false , That the Quakers call the Holy Scriptures Death , Dust , and Serpents Meat . This is a foul perversion ▪ seeing they esteem the Holy Doctrine , to be the Holy Scripture ; which he also has granted and agreed to . And our distinguishing between the outward Writing or Books and the Holy Doctrine therein contained , and between the Letter and the Spirit , 2 Cor. 3. 6 , 7. This was no Juggle , nor any Contempt of Holy Scripture , as falsly suggested , p. 33 , 36. The Holy Scriptures mentioned amongst those Writings which I. P. did bring to the Exchange . And to this F. B. saith , Surely they could not burn the Holy Spirit ; and that it seems they can call the Bible the Holy Scriptures , for a Wicked Design , p. 36. This is impertinent , as well as Malicious ; for the Holy Scriptures therein mentioned , was with the respect to the Doctrine therein contained ; for I must tell F. B. that it would shew Contempt to Holy Scripture , even to the Holy Doctrine contained in the Bible , if a Person should voluntarily offer to burn the Bible it self , as the King of Judah did Jeremiah's Roll , Jer. 36. ( though he could not ●urn the Word of the Lord. ) But to say the Bible or Books made up of Paper and Characters will decay and turn to Dust , but the Holy Doctrine , Word and Spirit from whence it came , will endure : This is no Contempt of Holy Scripture ▪ nor yet to the Bible . His Saying G. W. holdly imposes upon the World , that though they call the Scripture Dust , &c. yet they do not call the Holy Scripture so . The first part he falsly imposeth upon me , as he doth on the Quakers . Not only that they call the Holy Scriptures Dust , Death , Serpents Meat , Beastly Ware , &c. which is a horrible Calumny , ) but also that they do not believe the Doctrine and Precepts recorded in Scripture , to be either Blessed or Holy , p. 38 , 39 Thus he imposeth his horrid and gross Lies ( against us ) upon the World ; as also that the Quakers never did beg Pardon of God for Christ's sake ; and that they do prefer their own Books , Papers and Epistles before the Scriptures , p. 40. These like the rest , are gross Lies , and contrary to our Testimonies extant in Print , as in divers of our Books we positively declare , That we prefer the Holy Scripture above all other Books extant in the World ; and also declare that we are truly thankful to God for preserving to us the outward Writings , Scriptures , or Books commonly called the Bible , as in Christ's Lambs defend . Epist. to the Reader , p. 7. The Christianity of the Quak. Vindic. In Answer to Dr. Ford , p. 13. And Charitable Ess●● , p. 5. And we do also frequently read the Scripture in our Families many of us , more than any other Books or Epistles whatsoever . To prove the Quakers Denial and Contempt of the ▪ Holy Scripture ; pursuant to this abominable Lye , Bugg saith , viz. And not knowing a better way to manifest them , I erected a mock Pillory , and tried them , and found them guilty on their own Premises , p. 33. The more Insolent , Impudent and Shameless thou F. Bugv , and the greater thy Shame and Wickedness : What , convict us of Error by wilful Lies and Forgery , and by notorious Scandal and Defamation ? As was thy mock Tryal , and mock Pillory , ( as well as thy mock Cage ; ) from whence we may justly return thy Calumnies against G. Whitehead , upon thy self , and can prove them against thy self : viz. That F. Bugg is First , A publick Defamer . Secondly , A wicked Forger . Thirdly , A wilful Lyar. Fourthly , A gross Perverter . Fifthly , A false Glosser . Sixthly , A Deceiver , i. e. of some Silly , Ignorant , Cr●dulous and Enviour Persons , not of any Impartial , Wise or Judicious . Oh horrible ! What a Christion , a Convert , a Church-man , an earnest Contender for the Christian Faith , ( as thou stiles thy self , ) and yet guilty of such horrid Forger● , Scandal and Slander as thy said mock Tryal is made up off . Good Lord deliver us all from such a People , and such a Ministry as own such a sinful Wretch , and Self-Condemned , Malicious Apostate as thou art , for a true Convert . Thy Charge of Denial and Contempt of Holy Scriptures , on the People called Quakers , is expresly contrary to what thou thy self hast positively declared in Print ; and that even in the Name and Person of the said People ; pleading for our Testimony to Christ within and the Kingdom of Heaven within , De Christ Lib. ch . 1. par . 2. This ( sayst thou ) , we told , this we proved to the People out of the Holy Scriptures ; and that although the Scriptures were good , and a true Declaration of those things which were most surely believed by the Apostles , and by us ought to be believed , yet not the only Rule , but still the Spirit of God , which was the first Principle , the Foundation Principle , &c. [ Thus far F. Bugg . ] Pray note , here 's F. Bugg , when a pretended Quaker , speaking truth herein , and clearing himself and the Quakers from being guilty of the least contempt of Holy Scripture ; but on the contrary , owning the same both as Holy and True , and to be most surely believed ; whereby both himself and the Quakers did then , ( i. e. in 1682 , ) own the Divine Authority of Holy Scripture by his own Confession . But F. Bugg , since a pretended Church-Man , tells the World gross Lies against the People called Quakers ; namely , That they deny and contemn the Holy Scripture : F. Bugg the Quaker spoke truth , but F. Bugg the pretended Church-Man and Convert , tells Notorious , Shameful Lies and Calumnies . T is an ill Bird that fouls its own Nests ; and One such Runagado , is worse than three Turks . His Reasons to prove that we do not believe the Doctrine and Precepts recorded in Scripture , to be either blessed or holy , are as false and impertinent as his Charge , and but a telling Lies , to prove Lies ; which therefore I thus oppose . 1. 'T is false that we cast Reproachful Language , and Contemptuous Expressions upon the Doctrine and Precepts recorded in Scripture . 2. Not reading them in our Meetings for Worship , is no Proof that either we have not the Spiritual and Living Worship of God among us ; nor any Evidence that we do not belihve the Doctrine and Precepts recorded in Scripture , to be blessed or holy : Our humbly Worshipping God in Spirit and Truth , is what 's required of us by Jesus Christ , and the Holy Scripture , which therefore is Testimony of our Belief that the Doctrine thereof is Holy. 3. 'T is false again , that we say ( without Distinction , ) to Preach out of them is Conjuration . I am confident these Words were never spoken by the Quakers thus general and positive , without any other Distinction or Exception about the Preachers and manner of Preaching . 4. These are notoriously false , that we lay aside a● useless the use of the Lord's Prayer , Ten Commandments , &c. Seeing by the Spirit of Christ , we Pray after that manner as he has taught , and practise the Substance of the Commandments , in that Love which is the fulfilling thereof . 5. We are not conscious to our selves of denying the Ordinances of Jesus Christ , either in not believing Sprinkling Infants to be of Divine Institution , or in not practising John's Baptism , which is that of Water , not mentioned in Go teach all Nations , Baptizing them , Mat. 28. And This do in remembrance of me , ( i. e. as oft as ye do it . ) But of how long continuance , and till what coming of Christ is the Question ? Though we believe this and all other Precepts both of God and Christ were holy under their several Dispensations , yet it follows not that we must reeds still practise every thidg that was holy , or else be condemned as not believing the Doctrine and Precepts of Scripture to be holy . F. Bugg will make no good Logick of such Arguments and Consequences ; for that were to bring us back to the divers Washings , Baptisms , Tythes , Offerings , Pussovers and Circumcisions , &c. under ehe Law ; which were all holy in their first Institution and Dedication . 6. 'T is also notoriously false , that we do prefer our own Books , Papers and Epistles before the Scriptures , ( i. e. the holy Scriptures , ) because some of them are occasionally read in some of our Meetings ; for both in our Ministry , Books and Epistles , People are often referred to the Holy Scriptures for proof , and excited to read them , and that they may understand , believe and live according to the same , by the Assistance of God's Holy Spirit . And therefore we esteem and prefer the Holy Scriptures before our own Writings , contrary to Bugg's false Aspersion upon the Quakers ; i. e. That they make void the holy Scripture by their Traditional Pamphlets . His gross Lies of this kind are numerous ; the Lord rebuke his Lying Spirit , and great Envy . F. Bugg's Fourth Charge against the Quakers . They deny the Ordinances of Jesus Christ , as Baptism and the Lord's Supper . We deny this Charge , as laid down without distinction ; and that for our Reason F. B. cites , viz. As for Baptism and the Lords Supper , Scripturally considered in their several Dispensations , in the Figure and Substance , we confess and own . To this F. B. presently answers , This is false as their Books declare , p. 45. What 's false ? He considers not he knows not what ? He answers very inadvertently , are not Baptism and the Lord's Supper , Scripturally considered , both as in the Figure and in the Substance , in the Type , and in the Antitype ? I never heard any true Convert Christian , or real Protestant say , this is false before . Was not John's Baptism with Water , a Figure of Christ's Baptism with the Spirit ? And of the Washing of Regeneration ? Which was greater ? And was not the outward Supper , Bread and Cup , in Commemoration of Christ's Death , a Figure also of his Inward Spiritual Supper , Eating and Drinking with him in his Kingdom ? Who said he , except ye eat my Flesh , and Drink my Blood , ye have no Life in you . Where then is the falshood in our confessing Baptism and the Lord's Supper , in the Figure and Substance ? F. B. quotes E. Burrough's Works , p. 51. The Bread and Wine is visible and carnal , a figure of a Spiritual thing . And what then ? are they Spiritual , or the Substance which is Christ ? That 's Popery , which the Martyrs opposed , who esteemed the outward Elements , the Bread and the Cup , figurative , or a Figure of the Body and Blood of Christ spiritually receivedly Faith. What great Error then can F. B. prove against us therein ? He farther cites E. B. in this point , as follows p. 45 , viz. For Christ never since he was sacrificed , brake the Bread , and drank the Cup with his Disciples , p. 581 , ( instead of 518. ) We do deny , and do say it is no Ordinance of God , neither was it ever commanded of him , or practised by the Saints , but is an Institution of the Whore of Rome , &c. This F. B. renders E. B. to say of the Bread and the Cup , ( being cited in the next antecedent Words , as here . ) Oh sad ! what a gross Perverter art thou F. B ? This has been often thy fallacious manner of Citation to abuse us ; as 't is plain , that which E. B. here says we deny , as never commanded of God , nor practised by the Saints , but ● Romish Institution was Sprinkling ( or Baptizing ) Infants ; calling it the Baptism into Faith , &c. as in E. B' s. p. 518 , ( before quoted , ) and not breaking of Bread , and drinking of the Cup ' as given by Christ unto his Disciples : E. B ▪ knew this was some time practised by Believers ' but not the other ; and it had been more ingenious for F. B. to have convicted him of Error about Sprinkling , than to mis-represent him . Though I grant E. B. in p. 518 , objects against their manner of breaking Bread , and drinking Wine among the Unconverted and Unregenerate , as not commanded of God , nor practised by his Saints . But does not call the breaking of Bread , and drinking Wine , a Popish Institution of Rome , as he does Sprinkling Infants , and their calling it the Baptism into the Faith. This point is answered in the Quakers Vindication , p. 2. col . 1. But F. B. is more expert in mis-representing , traducing and railing , than in rational Argument , or fair Disputation . As to our Exception against Sprinkling , and seeming thereby to allow of Dipping , p. 46. we except against the one as unscriptural , and allow of the other as once Scriptural in its proper Dispensation . F. Bugg's Fifth and Sixth Charge against the Quakers . That they undervalue the Death and Sufferings of Christ ; and exalt their own Sufferings above the Sufferings of Christ , above the Sufferings of the Apostles , above the Sufferings of the Martyrs , or any Christians since the Days of Christ , &c. We deny these Charges , as expresly contrary to our Principle , and publick known Testimonies , both highly valuing and exalting the Death and Sufferings of Christ above all other : His charging the Quakers to exalt their Sufferings above the Sufferings of Christ , imports as if they so lifted up , extolled , dignified or rendred their Sufferings more excellent than Christ's . This is a most gross Calumny cast upon the People called Quakers , and as expresly contrary to their Intention and Principle . Though F. B. takes advantage at some Words of E. B's , which he partially cites , adding the Words [ called Quakers , ] and as unfairly construes against the Quakers in general ; as where he saith , Q. Mary's Days brought not forth a Suffering more cruel , F. B. leaves out [ in many respects , ] which many respects , he explains to be about trivial Matters , as for not putting off the Hat , ( thee or thou to a Person ) and denying the circumstance of Swearing , and Hundreds suffering on Suspicion , when nothing could be charged against them ; and that this was contrary to Magna Charta . Thus E. B. reflects upon the Arbitrary Proceedings of those in power , in 1657. Though I cannot warrant all his comparative Expressions , but grant that the Passage objected against E. B. in this place , was not so well worded as intended according to his own Explication : For by greater and more cruel Suffering , I cannot think E. B. so senseless , as to intend in all Respects ; as that the People of God in our Age , have unde●gone greater and more cruel Sufferings than all the Primitive Sufferers , Apostles and Martyrs in the Ten Persecutions ; no sure , but in some respects wherein they did not suffer then , upon such small Pretences as many did in Cromwel's time , without any such pretext of Law , as the Jews pretended against Christ. However , tho' the Sufferings of the People of God among us , was far short of the Sufferings in the Apostles Days , and in the Ten Persecutions , &c. yet F. B. gives but a mean and partial Account thereof ; namely , of a few Imprisonments , and some small Distresses , &c. In the Twenty Five Years he was amongst the Quakers , he might have remembred also , the cruel Whippings , and tedious Imprisonments , close Confinements many of God's People have met withal here in Old England , together with cruel Beatings , Stockings , Stonings , &c. As also the sad Accounts from New England , of the cruel and barbarous Whippings , Cutting Ears , Hanging and putting to Death , divers of our Iunocent Friends there : I may not say , this was so cruel as the Sufferings in the Days of the Apostles , and Ten Persecutions , &c. But these being inflicted by Professors of Christianity in Old and New England ; it seemed more sinful and unjust in them , than in the Heathens , who pretended to no such Religion and Profession . One remarkable Passage of Fr. Bugg's , pursuant to the Fifth and Sixth Charge against the Quakers , I must needs take some notice of . In his Sheet to the Parliament , he puts a Query , viz. Whether was greatest , the Sufferings of the Quakers , or the Sufferings of Christ ? To which ( Bugg saith ) G. W. gave no direct Answer , but glossed it over , as his usual way is ; for if he had answered , that the Sufferings of the Quakers had been greatest , as their Doctors teach , ( a gross Lie by the way , ) the People would have been ready to Stone him for Blasphemy . Again , if he had said , the Sufferings of Christ had been the greatest , he had then given the Lye to E. B. So that he was in a great strait like the Pharisees of old their Predecessors . ( Thus far Bugg , ) p. 47 , 48. Now F. Bugg , I pray thee see , and I wish thy Ministers William Smi●hies , and Isaac Archer , may see what a notorious wilful Liar thou art , in this very point , in saying , G. W. gave no direct Answer to thy Question , but was in a great strait . To evince thy wilful Lie herein , do but review thy own Query , and G. W's . direct Answer therein , in the Quak. Vindic. p. 2. viz. To Bugg's Query 5. Whether was the Sufferings of Christ , or the Sufferings of the Quakers greatest ? 1. In the First place we answer , the Sufferings of Christ , in the nature of them , both inward and outward , in Agony of Soul , and Pains of Body , by that most cruel Death of the Cross , following that of Scourging and Crowning with Thorns . 2. It was most unjustly and wickedly inflicted by his Persecutors the Jews and Heathen ; yet worse'in the Jews , because they might have known better , and because they prosecuted him upon false Witness . And as Christ's Sufferings were most Cruel and Unjust , both as to the Nature thereof , and the Dignity of him that suffered , so he was a most acceptable Sacrifice , and sweet smelling Savour to God , and his Suffering and Sacrifice of Universal Advantage and Benefit to Mankind , in that he died for all Men , and and gave himself a Ransom for all , that all might be capable of Redemption and Salvation through him . Now pray observe , that G. W. gave a direct Answer to Bugg's Query , viz. Whether was the sufferings of Christ , or the sufferings of the Quakers greatest ? G. W. &c. answers directly , viz. 1. The Sufferings of Christ in the nature of them , &c. 2. Christ's Sufferings most exalted and esteemed , because of the Dignity of him that suffered . And this was obvious to Bugg's Eyes in Print , in our said Vindication ; and therefore then F. B. must needs be a notorious wilful Liar herein , in affirming G. W. gave no direct Answer to thy Query , but was in a great strait . And as to E. B's . intention and Principle , he exalted Christ's Sufferings in their worth , dignity and merit , above all other Men's , as appears by his own and many other Friends Testimonies ; highly valuing and exalting the Death and Sufferings of Christ. E. B's . Confession of Faith , in his Works , p. 252. Confesseth Christ Jesus as the High-Priest of God , the one Offering for Sin , who takes away Sin , and makes Intercession . And p. 441 , He also confesseth a being washed and cleansed from all Unrighteousness , by the Blood of Jesus , by which their Sins are remitted , who walk and abide in his Light , &c. ( He saith . ) See also a Book Entituled , The Son of Perdition Revealed , Printed 1661 , wherein Ed. Burroughs and G. Whitehead truly thus confess , p. 2 , 4. viz. As Thousands can witness , who have heard us both preach up , and contend for the free Grace of God to all Men ; and thereby ( i. e. by the Grace of God , ) Christ tasted Death for every Man , and died for all Men , and gave himself a Ransom for all , Heb. 2. 9. 1 Tim. 2. 6. 2 Cor. 5. 14. 1 Joh. 2. 2. And it s also testified , that in many more Books of ours , the free Grace of God , ( i. e. in Christ ) to all , and Christ's Dying for all Men , is declared . And p. 4. ibid. Reconciliation of the World hrough Christ's Death , and his being a Propitiation through Faith in his Blood , clearly confessed . [ Thus far E. B. and G. W. ] Thus highly have they exalted Christ's Sufferings for the Good of Mankind ; but thus have they not exalted their own , or any other Mens , or Peoples wha●ever . Therefore the Quakers exalt Christ's Sufferings above their own and all others ; consequently Bugg has greatly wrong'd the People called Quakers in this point , in his Fifth and and Sixth false Charge before cited . Some of Bugg's Railery and Lies added under the same Head against the Quakers , viz. Gross L●ars , Grand Impostors , Impudent Cheats . Yea , Ellwood , Richardson , and the most Learned among them . As they have shewed all the Contempt they can to Jesus of Nazareth , ( calling him a Vail , a Garment , &c. To the Scriptures , to the Ordinances and Ministers of Jesus of Nazareth ; with great Incharity , p. 56. Here F. B. thou hast lied to purpose , both against the Living and the Dead : I dare say Tho. Ellwood , and the Learned among us ( who are yet alive ) can testify against thee and the Devil too ; who is the Author of these thy Horrid Lies . And that their Preachers never lost Fifty Pounds , p. 57 , is another notorious Lie ; for I in particular , with many others , have lost many times more by Informers and Imprisonments . Whereas F. B. is offended at my calling him so often Bugg , p. 59 , 60 , calling me thereupon Insolent and Imperious George . What 's he then in calling me only Whitehead , and another Fox , and another Ellwood , and another Richardson ? Was this Pride , Insolency or Imperiousness in him ? If he says 't was for Brevities sake , so sa● I , for I have often mentioned his Name at ●engtr ; but sometimes F. B. for Brevities sake . He has also told me he would not go a step to meet such a proud imperious Fellow , as in his Letter to me Dated Feb. 16th , 1693. Pray what Humility has F. B. shewn herein ? And this is not all , but he thinks thereupon to debase me , by upbraiding me with my former Estate , saying , G. W. came amongst the Quakers , Anno 1652 , a poor Boy about Fifteen or Sixteen Years old , travelling on foot , and hath so gathered up his Crumbs , though chiefly at other Mens Tables , that he scorns to call him that fed him and his Friends at his Table by his proper Name , p. 60. Though he somewhat mistakes as to Time and Age , yet that Poverty I am not at all ashamed of ; it was for Christ's sake that I was made low and poor : I was no whit behind F. B. in Education , though I was made willing to walk on foot , and deeply to suffer by Imprisonment , ( as I did ) and many other ways even in my young Years , wherein the Lord was with me , as he still is ( I bless his Name . ) And as for being fed at F. B's . Table , I think 't was not very often , whether Three or Four Times I remember not ; and I suppose it was not without some Invitations by him to his House : Didst not thou F. B. invite me to thy House sometimes ? Surely it was not then intended to upbraid me in Print , with seeding at thy Table . Thou wast then more a Man , and of more Civility , 't is pity thy Conversion to the Priests and Levites should so much deprive thee both of Compassion , Natural Affection and Civility : However since 't is thy pleasure thus to upbraid me , I offer thee reasonable Satisfaction ; let me have a true Bill how oft I have fed at thy Table , and what each Meal of mine comes to , according to the usual Rates of Ordinaries , and I will pay it , or cause Payment to thee , ( God willing . ) To thy Six Charges against G. Whitehead . 1. A Publick Defamer . I deny thy Charge , ( the Terms thereof considered in the common and evil Sense , ) But why a Publick Defamer ? what because he writ that F. Bugg was turned Informer , a Self-Condemned Apostate ? &c. The latter is largely proved against thee in my several Answers ; as in Innocency against Envy . The contentious Apostate , &c. A Charitable Essay ; and Innocency Triumphant . And the first was also proved against thee in Judgment fixed , p. 225 , 226 , 227 , 228. By thy informing the Magistrate against us , in thy Book of Christian Liberty pretended , accusing us with Impositions , a new stamped Government , comparing our Yearly Meeting in 1675 , to the Popes Council of Jesuits and crafty Friars : And our Testimony then given concerning Mens and Womens Meetings , as if it had come from the Pope's Council , &c. upbraiding our Women's Meetings as an Idol of our own erecting , com●aring it to the Papists great Idol , viz. The Rood ● Grace , as in thy De Chris. lib. 2d Part , p. 32 , ●8 , 46 , 47 , Printed in 1682. But to be accounted an Informer , as afore , said , F. B. takes very hardly , being in the time 1682 , saying , he was one of the greatest Sufferer● by Informers in the whole Country . But F. B. was not thou about that time quarrelling with S ▪ Cater , about the Fifteen Pound Fine ? And pulling thy Neck out of the Collar , and winding thy self out of Sufferings ? And was it such a great Crime to render thee an Informer , seeing what thou then writ against our Yearly Meeting , tended to render us as obnoxious as the Papists , like the Popes Council ? &c. When 't is well known , that in those Days ; many of our Friends deeply suffered by Laws made against Popish Recusants , in Two Thirds of their Estates , and 20 l. per Month : Didst not tho● then deserve the Character of a Malicious Informer , in grosly aspersing us as aforesaid ? ● Wicked Man , is a Wicked Man , a Liar i● a Liar , a Forger is a Forger , a Persecutor is a Persecutor , and deserves his Characters . 2. A Wicked Forger . I deny thy Charge again ; Wherein a wicked Forger ? What for saying F. Bugg affirms in hi● Book de Chris. lib. part 2d , p. 83. That Conformity is a Monster , &c. And yet in about Two Years after , he himself turned about and conformed ? In answer to which , thou sayest , I am not the Author of one Word of that Page , bu● the whole Passage is a Query of John Ainsloe's beginning p 81 , and ending p. 87. But hold F. B. Jo. Ainsloe's Query begins not in p. 81 , but in p. 82 , and recited in p. 83 , for p. 81 , concludes with these Words , viz. I shall add one Query which J. A. put forth , to which I never heard that he had any Answer ; and were not these thy Words Francis ? And the Words a few Lines before in the same Page , viz. Error ●oves obs●urity , for its Habitation is Darkness , and Ignorance is the Mother of its Devotion , and Conformity the Monstrous Womb that produced it , &c. And are not these thy Words Francis ? and what difference pray between calling Conformity the Monstrous Womb , and Conformity a Monster ? Is not a Monstrous Womb as bad as a Monster ? What makes a Monster , but something Monstrous ; and is not that which is Monstrous , a Monster ? Besides , thou hast appeared so much affected with Jo. Ainsloe's Query and Answer , that thou ●ast taken some care to recite and print the ●ame at large , without shewing any dislike to ●t , but rather as a matter highly approved by ●hee : So that thou didst espouse the same ; and ●hat he writ therein , thou madest thine by ●doption . Thou appearing then of the sa●e ●ud gment , why art now so shy of thy own A●opted Birth or Monster ? Why didst not re●ct it at first , but hugg'd it so long ? 3. A Wilful Liar . That I am sure is false ; for though I may ac●dentally mistake in some Circumstances , yet ●ot a Wilful ( nor witting ) Liar : Thy pretended proof of this Charge , is the Conten . Apost . p. 3. viz. F. Bugg and his Company being go● into the Meeting before G. W. and into the Gallery . I grant there was an accidental Defect or Error happened in that Passage , I not being present to correct the Press , which was afterward corrected , as may be seen in my Sheet , The Cont. Apost . Recharg'd , p. 8. in these Words , viz. And Reader observe in the said Contentious Apostate , and his Blow refelled , p. 3. l. 11. to read [ And he into the Gallery , ] the word he being omitted , varies from the sense intended , though in some it was corrected after Printed , but in others omitted . Now pray how will this prove G. W. a wilful Liar ? F. Bugg can take small occasion to asperse . Therefore the defective Account , with the said omission of the Word [ he ] was neither wilfully nor maliciously sent abroad to render thee a Turbulent Disturber , as thou falsly sayest , p. 66. although thou wast very turbulent , and disturbed the whole Meeting , and that wilfully and wickedly , having like a Persecuting Informer , procured a Warrant and a Constable to cause the Persons met , forthwith to appear before some Justice of Peace , to answer an Information against the Meeting , because held under pretence of a Religious Worship , in different form from the Religion established in a place not licensed , &c. which disturbance being contrary to the intent of the Government . And afterwards thou falaciously excused this thy Turbulancy and Persecution , pretending thy getting a Justice's Warrant , was to the intent to get me to own my Book , Judgment fixed , N. Rom. unm . p. 53 , when the Warrant was expressly grounded upon an Information of a Meeting , under pretence of Religious Worship , &c. And to cause the Persons met , to appear as aforesaid , to answer the Information . Now was not this like an Informer ? 4. A Gross Perverter . This I deny as a gross Lie , and his Instance , ( though unfairly cited , ) Is no proof thereof : 'T is evident that the Instances Bugg brought in his Sheet , to prove the Quakers Contempt of Government , reviling Christ's Magistrates and Ministers , were out of E. Burr . Works , between the Year 1654 , and 1659 , which was in Cromwel's Days , against his Persecuting Magistrates and Ministers , whom E. B. testified against , because of their Persecution , and their Arbitrary Usurp'd Dominion over the Consciences of Men , p. 501. This is no Perversion , but true in fact . It was E. B's . reprehentions against them and their Corruptions , that Bugg did make the Quakers Contempt of Government , as more fully is made put in the Quakers Vindication , p. 3. And therefore I did not aggravate the Matter against him , by saying , to do us an ill turn , Bugg has at ●nawares run his own Head against a Wall. What E. B. G. F. and G. R. writ to O. C. and that Government , it was not in favour to their Usurpation over Mens Consciences , Persecution , &c. and the Substance thereof is answered long since , in a Treatise Entituled , Christ's Lambs defended from Satan's Rage . F. Bugg's Charge of Usurpation against the Quakers , p. 69 , shews a great height of Malice and Bitterness , as well as gross Falshood and Perversion , and particularly his first Instance , viz. And that in divers respects : First , In that you Summons the Kings Subjects to meet Annually in London , by way of General Council or Con●●ication , without any legal Warrant , Writ , or other Legal Authority ; and when sat in Council in Devonshire - House , you make Laws , Edicts and Canons for the King's Subjects throughout England 〈◊〉 observe , contrary and in direct opposition to those very Laws , Rules , &c. which the King and Parliament make at Westminster . Pray observe , this seems a heavy Charge , as if F. B. had a Mind to hang us all , as well as to Pillory and Cage us . But here are several notorious Falshoods contained in these his Words , in divers respects . As First , that we Summons the King's Subjects ; this is general , and without Exception too . Query , Who issues out Summon's for the King's Subjects ? Secondly , And what Subjects are they ? I know no such Summons , but in Free and Christian Agreement Our Yearly Meeting , ( which has been of many Years standing , is innocently held for Religious Good and Christian Ends , in the Law of God and for Peace , good Order , Amity and Unit● in the Churches of Christ ; that we may as God's People and Christian Society , be helpful and serviceable one to another in our Day . Thirdly , And this our Annual Meeting is of no such intent or design to be as a general Council or Convocation , to make Laws , Edicts or Canons for the Kings Subejcts throughout England to observe , in direct opposition to those of the King and Parliament , ( as F. Bugg most malitiously suggests . ) For First , We know no Laws , Edicts or Canons we have to make , either for the Kings Subjects , or for our selves , but to be helpful in the truth , and to stir up one another to faithfulness , to that Law and Testimony that God has given and made known to us , who is our Lawgiver . But what is this Usurpation so highly charged against us ? and what Laws and Edicts do we make ? To this he bids us see our Yearly Epistle , May 1675 , where ( he saith ) , viz. In opposition to the Law the King and Parliament made , that ●ou should not meet above Four , &c. You in opposition made a Law , that your People should neither ●●rsake , decline , nor remove their Meeting . This was one remarkable Instance of your justling with Authority , &c. [ Thus far F. Bugg . ] To make 〈◊〉 look as odious and obnoxious to the Government , as his deadly Malice promp●s him . But he is mistaken for all 's haste , for what he ●●ls a Law made by us in opposition to King and Parliament , we know no such Law made by us , ●●t an Antient , Apostolical and Christian Testimony and Exhortation , which our said Year-Meeting gave to our Friends ; and which had been our Care and Practice from the beginning , viz. That an open Testimony for the Lord should be borne , and a publick Standard for Truth and Righteousness , upheld in the power and Spirit of God , by our open and known Meetings , &c. The said Meeting giving Advice and Judgment , that all Friends gathered in the Name of Jesus , keep up those publick Testimonies , and not to decline , forsake or remove their publick Assemblies . Whereby 't is plain , that this Advice was given for no other end , than for their keeping their Publick Assembles for the Worship of God , in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ , and very agreeable to the Holy Apostles Exhortation , not for saking the Assembling of your selves together , as the manner of some is . And how proves F. Bugg , that this Advice was a Law made by our said Meeting , in opposition to the Law made by the King and Parliament ? Has he not herein reflected upon the Government , and aspersed the King and Parliament ? For where did they make a Law against publick Assemblies , gathered in the Name of Jesus Christ to worship God ? How doth he prove the Laws made against Conventicles , or Seditious Meetings , under pretence of Religious Exercise , &c. were made against such Assemblies as met in the Name and Power of Christ Jesus , really to worship God in Spirit and Truth ? for such were our Assemblies advised to be kept . Another Instance Bugg has against us , That our Books be spread up and down the Nation , &c. And what Usurpation or Justling with Authority is this ? Why not our Books be spread as well as his ? And must he have all the liberty to spread his dirty Defaming Books , and we not have liberty to divulge Answers to them , to remove his ●●lumnies ? That 's very unfair and unjust . But he objects being unlicensed ; that 's not true of all our Books . ( But who licensed his New Rome Arraign'd , with his Mock-Trial , Perjury and Pillory ? Neither is it true , that they tend to defame both Clergy and Gentry , unless to publish the Persecution and Cruelty of some of the Clergy , be to defame both the Clergy and Gentry in general , That none should pay Tithes or Steeple-House Rates ; are not the Words of our last Yearly Epistle which he also objects against . But that our Christian Testimony borne , and greatly suffered for , be faithfully maintained against t●●● : ●his was not Advice to all the Kings Subjects , but to those that have a Testimony from the Lord against the Oppression of Tithes , as being thereof convinced in their own Consciences , that they might be faithful to that Testimony for Christ Jesus , who put an end to the Law and Priesthood that upheld the Tithes . Which thou F. B. had once a Testimony against ; but wast unfaithful , and turned thy back thereof . But farther , our Christian Testimony against Tithes , was neither Law , Edict , or Cannon of our own making ; but what we received , and were perswaded of in Conscience , by the Light and Testimony of Jesus Christ from the begining . That none should carry Guns in their Ships : This is perversly and mischievously worded by F. Bugg , and ( in its being made a general Prohibition , ) varies from the Words of our Yearly Meeting Epistle ; and his Inference thereupon , is as Malicious and Mischievous , where he says , This shews that you are not content with your own ease , but as far as your Usurpation prevails , you weaken the Government , p. 70. Whereas the Caution in our said Epistle was Tender and Christian , relating only to some Ship-Masters , reputed Quakers , who contrary to their former Principle and Practise , ( and to the injury of their own Souls and Consciences , by their declension , and placing their Security in that which is altogether Insecure , ) carry Guns , & 〈◊〉 to ●e endangering their own and others Lives , having let in Disobedience and Unbelief , 'T was to such only the Caution was tenderly recommended , that they might be preserved through Faith and Confidence in the Arm and power of God , which is the greatest Security : Now I see not how this could be to weaken the Government , to have them thus preserved . 'T is more like to be a weakening ; for any such ( by acting contrary to their Principle and Conscience , and letting in Unbelief , ) to provoke God to deliver them up to their Enemy to be destroyed . Let it be observed how tender and careful our said Yearly Meeting was in this very Matter , with respect both to our Christian Testimony , and the outward Government also , in the next following Passage which F. Bugg , has unfairly and disingeniously left out ; and therefore 't is here inserted , viz. Dear Friends , you very well know our Christian Principle and Profession in this Matter , both with respect to God and Caesar , that because we are Subjects of Christ's Kingdom , which is not of this World , we cannot fight , Joh. 18. 36 , Yet being Subjects of Caesar's Kingdom , we pay our Taxes , Tribute , &c. according to the Example of Christ and his Holy Apostles relating to Christ's Kingdom and Caesars , wherein we are careful not to offend , Mat. 17. 27. and 22. 20. Rom. 13 ▪ 6 , 7. Being also very glad , and much satisfied in the many Testimonies given at this Meeting , of our Friends Innocency , quiet and peaceable Behaviour , under the outward Government , as becomes our Christian Principle and Profession . Now the Reader may observe , that our Yearly Meetings Epistles , are not Laws and Edicts Imposed , but Epistles tenderly recommended to the Consciences and Christian care of our Friends only . 5. A False Glosser . This also I deny , being not conscious to my self of false glossing in this , or any other instance he brings against me , viz. The Quak. Vind. &c. p. 2. F. Bugg accuses somebody for objecting against paying of Tithes under the New Covenant , because abrogated by Christ , &c. On which he makes his Observation , That by this they , ( i. e. the Quakers , ) have condemned the Martyrs and all Christians , &c. As in his Sheet , p. 4. Whereupon he adds , viz. Observe this false Glosser ; I did not say they condemn either Martyr or others , who did refuse Payment of Tithes ; I neither said so , nor will my Words carry any such intendment . Rep. Neither did I charge thee with so saying ; but that the Quakers have Condemned the Martyrs and all Christians , &c. ( which makes no distinction . ) And by what have they condemned them , but by denying to pay Tithes under the New Covenant , because abrogated by Christ. And how could this be a Condemning the Martyrs and all Christians in thy Sense , unless thou concludest they were all for the payment of Tithes ? The Case is plain , I did no accuse thee with saying the Quakers condemned the Martyrs or others who refused the Payment of Tithes , but because in opposition 〈◊〉 Tho. Ellwoods saying , [ They who pay Tithes uphold a Legal Ceremony , abrogated by Christ ; and thereby deny Christ to be con● in the Flesh. ] Thou observed , by this th● have condemned the Martyrs and all Christian yea , Kings , Parliament and People , who pay or take Tythes . Now doth not this plainly imply , that the Martyrs and all Christians were for the payment of Tithes , if the Quakers Testimony against Tithes be a condemning the Martyrs and all Christians ? I confess I cannot find how I am a false Glosser herein ; and against thee F. B. in this I fairly objected , That thy Observation was too general upon the Martyrs , for that both John Wickliff , William Swinderby , Walter Brute , William Thorpe , the Bohemians , with others mentioned in the Book of Martyrs and others , did bear Testimony against the Corruptions of the Popish Clergy , and against Tithes , and compelled Maintenance . ( And were not these Martyrs Christians ? ) This was made a Principle Article against them by the Papists , as more largely appears in the first Volumn of Martyrs , in the Reigns of Richard the Second , Henry the Fourth , and Henry the Fifth . 6. A Deceiver of the People . This I also sincerely deny , as a false and malicious Aspersion cast upon me and my publick Ministry ; it cannot reasonably be supposed to relate to any Personal or Circumstantial Mistakes , ( if I have been under any , ) but to my publick Ministry about Matters of Faith and Salvation ; concerning which , I know him in whom I have believed , whose Divine Power and Goodness , hath preserved me from my Youth upward in sincerity towards him , whom I have sought from my Childhood ; and therefore am not Conscious to my self of being a Deceiver of the People ; for my Eye is to the power and Spirit of Jesus Christ , who hath made known unto me the word of Reconciliation , and made me a Living Witness of him , to the Consciences of many Thousands , ( I bless God. ) And F. B's Instance , Judgment Fix'd Introd . if the Lord did not lay a necessity upon me , I should chuse to be mute , but the Lord has laid a necessity upon me , &c. And ( what Proof is this of his Charge ? Where 's the Assumption ? ) I say so still , he has laid a necessity upon me to preach the Gospel , and to testify against Deceit , Envy and Wickedness ; and I perceive not how this instance alledged agaisnt me , can be any colour of Proof for his Charge . Can my saying , The Lord has laid a necessity upon me , either to Preach or Write , prove that I am a Deceiver of the People ? Doth not F. B. himself pretend the Assistance of God's Holy Spirit , in his New. Rom. Arraign . p. 46. But I am sure a contrary Spirit has assisted him , blown and pu●t him up in his reproaching , stigmatizing , calumniating and rendring odious and obnoxious a Peaceable People , and their Christian Testimony ; for which the Righteous Judge of all will deal with him ; and as for his Personal Detractions , Defamations , and bitter Calumnies cast upon me ; as Wicked Forger , Wilful Liar , Gross Perverter , Publick Defamer , &c. I return them ( as before ) upon himself , and rejoyce in the Lord my God over them : And that I am counted worthy to suffer for his sake : For I esteem the Reproaches of Christ , greater Riches than the Glory of Egypt . A FEW Gentle Reflections UPON T. C's Animadversions , ( said to be Tho. Crisp's , ) on George Whitehead's Book , Entituled [ Innocency Triumphant . ] TO evince the said T. C's Inadvertency and Impertinency , as well as Malice and outrage , in his unjustly Charging G. W. and his Abettors ( or Friends ) as proved guilty of Contempt of the Person of our Blessed Saviour , the Holy Scriptures and Governours , Perverseness and Falsehood , justly chargeable on himself in his undertaking to be an Advocate for Fr. Bugg in his Bad Cause , and gross Calumnies . I finding a great part of T. C's Allegations against us to be taken upon trust from F. Bugg's Authority , and before answered in the foregoing Treatise , and divers other Answers ; I shall need say the less to many of his impertinent and senseless Quarrels ; but take notice chiefly of such as concern me , and those Friends whom he calls my Abettors , pursuant to his false Charge of being guilty of Contempt of the Person of our blessed Saviour ( i. e. Jesus Christ , ) and the Holy Scriptures , &c. which Charge ( in good Conscience towards God , and his dear Son Jesus Christ our Mediator , ) I sincerely deny and testify against in the first place , as contrary to my Christian Principle and Profession from my Youth upward . Howbeit to prove G. W's Partiality and Contempt of our Lord Jesus , T. C. saith , viz. I shall here insert some of G. K ' s. Doctrines , which G. W' s. Creatures opposed , and about which chiefly the Difference was , which G. W. represents but as [ pretended Fundamentals ; ] for says he , about some fundamental Doctrines , as is pretended by one Party . This is falsly represented and perverted against G. W. in the first Part , who did not represent those of G. K's Doctrin● mentioned , but as pretended Fundamentals ; although T. C. has this falsehood pretended Fundamentals divers times over in his Introduction . Whereas my Words are [ as is pretended by one Party , ] relative to divers Accounts lately published in Print , of some ●ate Divisions and Disputes about several Fundamental Doctrines of the Christian Faith , ( as is pretended by one Party , ) which therefore , ( at least some whereof , ) I grant to be such , and do not call them pretended Fundamentals : But that the late Division is pretended to be about them , according as my Words are clear , in our small Treatise referred to , viz. The Christian Doctrine and Society of the People called Quakers , p. 1. one of which Fundamental Doctrines which he says G. W. represents but as pretended Fundamentals , is , That Christ is in Heaven in his glorified Nature of Man , Body and Soul , God and Man both ; Introduction , p. 2. And where have I contemned or opposed this Doctrine ? How Inadvertent and unjust art thou T. C. in this ? Do not I plainly declare in the same Treatise , p. 3 , That as Man Christ died for our Sins , rose again , and was received into Glory . And p. 5. That Christ's Body that was Crucified , by the power of God was raised from the Dead ; and that the same Christ that was Crucified , ascended into Heaven and Glory , and that his Flesh saw no Corruption ; it did not Corrupt But yet doubtless his Body was Changed into a more Glorious and Heavenly Condition than it was in when subject to divers Sufferings on Earth . &c. Where 's now the Contempt of his Person ? Mayst thou not be ashamed of thy false abusive Charge ? From my Saying the same Christ that was therein ( i. e. in the Body , or Flesh , ) Crucified , thou falsly inferrest , So then he that was nailed to the Cross and pierced , was not Christ , p. 24. Here thou quarrellest with the Apostles Doctrine and Language , 1 P●t . 3. 18. Being put to Death in the Flesh : And ch . 4. 1. Christ hath suffered for us in the Flesh. 1 John 4. 2. Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh : And 2 John 7. And many Deceivers are entred into the World , who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh. Mark here , Christ suffered in the Flesh , and Jesus Christ come in the Flesh. Was this to deny him that suffered on the Cross to be Christ ? or to Con●emn his Person ? No sure . How sillily hast thou deduced many Inferences of this kind against us , as if thou wert minded to be Litigious ? Again , Thy inferring , That he who was nailed ●o the Cross , was not Christ , but a Body , a Vail , a Garment , of an Earthly , Perishing Nature , p. 24. Here again thou pervertest and abusest us : Where did we ever say , that he who so suffered , was not Christ , but a Body , a Vail ? &c. Seeing 〈◊〉 was Christ that suffered in the Flesh , and his ●●esh was called the Vail , Heb. 10. What Contempt to Christ , or Denial of him was such Say●●g ? And where did ever any of us say , that ●●s Body that was nailed to the Cross , was of a ●●rishing Nature , seeing his Flesh saw no Cor●●ption ? But thy great Offence is about I● . Pennington's ●ords , viz. We can never call the Bodily Gar●…t Christ , p. 26 , &c. And what then ? is this 〈◊〉 Undervaluing or Contempt to Jesus Christ ? ●25 . Is it not as true literally , as a Man's Gar●ent cannot be the Man himself that wears it ? ●●d may it not be as true figuratively , as Christ's Flesh was the Vail ? And that without any Contempt to him , his Body or Flesh called the Vail : Unless thou canst prove the Holy Apostle a Contemner thereof ; who used the same Expression . He ( i. e. Christ ) hath Consecrated for us a new and living way , through the Vail , ( i. e. his Flesh , ) Heb. 10. 20. That Christ Jesus , as to his entire Existence or Being , doth not consist only of the Body or Flesh that was Crucified . Thou grants as much , not only in thy Confessing his Person as joyned to the Godhead , Power , Life and Soul , was called Jesus and the Saviour , p. 24. But also his being the Anointed , as well as the Anointing , p. 5. For Christ was before Abraham , and David in Spirit called him Lord , and he was that Spiritual Rock that all Israel drank of . As for excusing Errors and Contempt of our Lord Jesus , ( falsly charged on J. P. ) and being liable to be charged therewith , p. 26. I am not conscious to my self of so doing , by discovering his Intention , and by his own Explications of the Words objected against him , viz. As either that the Vail which was Christ's Flesh , or that the Bodily Garment we can never call the entire Christ , as intimated by his own Words , chiefly and in the first place Christ ; as in one of his Questions . 'T is strange that thou should shew so much Envy against that Innocent Man , as to charge him with Contempt of our Lord Jesus , who did more sincerely believe and confess him , both in Principle , Doctrine , Charity and Innocent Conversation , ( than thou hast done ) whose sincere Confession is also evinced against thy Brother F. Bugg . By the Term Vail , we neither undervalue Jesus , nor set his Light above himself , as is implied against us , p. 25. For though every degree of Divine Light in us , is of and from Christ Jesus , yet 't is greater and more as in him , in whom the fulness is , as is more fully cleared in our said Treatise of our Christian Doctrine . Concerning the Flesh of Christ being a Vail , Heb. 10. thou grants was in respect to Man , and so the Figure may be proper , as intended by the Apostle : If so then that Vail was not the entire Christ , though the Name was given both to his Soul and Body in Scripture , jointly and severally ; if by the Term Flesh , be commonly understood the Person of our Lord Jesus , where then dost thou prove that the Quakers contemn the Flesh of Christ , considered either Spiritually or Litterally ? And though the Person of Christ I find but once mentioned in Scripture , 2 Cor. 2. 10. from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in facie Christi vel Conspectu Christi , in the Face or Sight of Christ. Yet understanding thy meaning , I am not minded to quarrel with thee about Words and Terms . To thy excusing F. Bugg's false Charge of Denying Jesus of Nazareth , against us , p. 25 , I do not perceive thou canst make any good work of it upon his Instances , where he makes our confessing Christ in us , and witnessing him nearer us than at Jerusalem , ( as J. Nayl●r did , &c. ) to be a denying of Jesus of Nazareth , or confessing that Divine Principle ( i. e. the Word , the Life or Spirit of Christ , ) to be the Foundation Principle of Living Faith and Knowledge of Christ in his Spiritual Appearance in us . I cannot see how this can be a Denying of Jesus of Nazareth , any more than the Apostles preaching the Word of Faith nigh in the Heart , &c. However thou art chargeable with Bugg's Charge in this Case , which results in this Proposition , from his own pretended Proofs , viz. That to affirm Christ in us , or that which may be known of God in us , or Christ nearer us than Jerusalem , is to deny Jesus of Nazareth . Wilt thou stand to this Proposition yea or nay , according to Bugg's said Charge and Allegation , in his Sheet ? If thou wilt , then it will appear who is in the Spirit of Anti-christ , G. W. or T. C. For whether is it not as much Anti-christian to deny Christ come in the Spirit , as to deny Christ come in the Flesh ? And for F. Bugg's Paper to the Parliament , thou grantest so far as it may affect any truly conscientious Quakers , it s not well , and thou believest he would not damage such , p. 14. But how know'st thou that ? When contrarywise like a Busie-Body in other Mens Matters , and malicious Incendiary , he did interpose with his inveterate Lying Pamplet to the Parliament , against the People called Quakers , even at that very interim when our Friends were petitioning the House of Commons for ease to the said People in general in case of Oaths . Did not this tend to obstruct favour being shewn them ? With what Face or Conscience then canst thou say thou believest he would not damage Conscientious Quakers , when his Invective Pamphlet made no such distinction ? For shame Man do not excuse such an act of apparent Malice and Intrusion , who also hast farther shewn how thou dost second Bugg in Malice and Partiality , where thou sayest Liberty of Conscience is but just and reasonable , for such as are truly conscientious , if they could be truly distinguished from G. W. and some such as he is ; the opportunity G. W. may have thereby , may be of ill consequence , p. 14. Here thou shewest thy self offended at G. W. and his Friends ; having that Liberty , 't is well thy Horns are short , that thou hast not power to ruin us , but only to bark , and hiss and grin at us Thy Mercy would be that of the Wicked , which is Cruelty ; and thou shews what thou wouldst be at , namely , to incense the Government against us , about our Marriages , and Non-payment of Tithes ; the latter thou art greatly concerned about , for Liberty of Conscience ( forsooth ) for the free Payment of them , p. 15 , 16 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 20. And who hinders such whose Consciences are for the Payment of them , if there be any such ? But we ●now very few beside thy self , who alledge Conscience , but rather Compulsion for the Payment thereof . And therefore thy Charge of Reflections on the Laws and Government of the Nation , and of Pride and Insolence , and deserves the Cognizance of the Ministers of State , p. 15. and Contempt of the Government , with much more of such inveterate Consequences against us about this case of Tithes ; all this is a great indication of Malice , Rage and Revenge more than Reason on thy part ; the Civil Government need not thee to be an Informer and Instigator therein against us , either because of our Non-payment of Tithes , or our Christian Testimony against them : For it is a Case well known to the Government ever since we were a People , and many of them have so much Charity , ( much more than thou hast ) as to believe it is not in Contempt to the Government of the Nation , that we refuse the payment of Tithes , but purely because it is a matter of Conscience to us , as our deep Sufferings , Imprisonments and Sequestrations on that account de demonstrate whether our Consciences be rightly informed or no in that Case . However 't is an easier matter for T. C. to rail against us , and to villi●● those among us that have given Testimony and Reasons in print , against the Impositions o● Tithes in this Gospel Day , than for him to answer or refute such Reasons . Why does he no answer T. Ellwood ? Besides his supposing that a there were Tithes before the Law , so he know not but that there may be , after that Law 〈◊〉 abolished , p. 19. And who then abolished tha● Law that gave the Priesthood a right to tak● them ? if that Law was of Divine Authority it must be abolished by Divine Authority , an● one had that Divine Authority to abolish them ●ut Christ. Therefore it was by his Divine ●uthority they were abolished . Now then it ●emains for T. C. either to prove that Christ re●ewed the Law for Tithes , or bring an Authority above his , to enforce Tithes again . But presume he 'll not attempt either of these . consequently he does not refute what he cites against Tho. Ellwood , by his [ I know not but ●ere may be , ] viz. That they who pay Tithes , uphold a Legal Ceremony , abrogated by Christ , and thereby deny Christ to be come in the Flesh , which is a mark of Anti-Christ . And whereas T. C. takes up F. Bugg's Objection , viz. That by this they have con●●mned the Martyrs , and all Christendom , Kings , ●●rliament and People , who pay or take Tithes ; a●●inst which , I objected his Observation is too ●●neral upon the Martyrs , because some did ●…ar Testimony against Tythes . Hereupon C. chargeth me with being very fallacious , ●…d with wilful wickedness ; and why so ? ●his is very harsh ; ) for saith he , F. B. doth ●…t say all without Exception . But I say his ●ords are general , that by this the Quakers 〈◊〉 condemned the Martyrs , as well as all ●●ristendom : And by what ? but by their Te●●●mony against the Payment of Tythes , be●●●se 't is in opposition to Christ's Abrogation . ●…r the Words who pay or take Tythes , cannot be ●ative to any of the Deceased Martyrs , for ●…y can neither pay nor take Tythes ; and therefore if Bugg had intended an Exception of the Martyrs who denied Tithes , he should have said , they have condemned such , or so many of the Martyrs who have paid or taken Tithes ; for who do pay or take Tythes , is in presenti , and not in preterito : The matter seriously considered I must needs look upon T. C. to be very uncharitable , in deeming me fallacious and wilfully wicked in this point . And I am still confirmed in my Consequence upon F. Bugg's Observation against our seeking Favour of the Government , viz. So that if we cannot for Conscience sake pay Tithes , he will not allow us any favour of the Government , if his uncharitable Attempts may take effect : And I do not find how T. C. can invalid this Consequence , by his excusing Bugg , in saying , viz. And not as G. W. would wickedly insinuate , that if any cannot for Conscience sake pay Tithes , they should have no favour . No , no , such uncharitable Sentences are to●… near of kin to G. W's . own Spirit , to come from F. B. far be it from him , I dare say it never entre● into his Heart , such an uncharitable Though● p. 17. To the first part , I answer the very Instanc● which F. Bugg and T. C. chiefly strike at in thi● point , viz. [ That Tythes are abrogated b● Christ , and the Payment thereof a Denial o● his coming in the Flesh and Antichristian , ] 〈…〉 a plain Indication , that 't is for Conscience sake they ( that are truly Conscientious and Faithfu● among us ) cannot pay them . And their believing they are abrogated by Christ , and therefore ●…e Payment thereof , a denying him to be come in ●…e Flesh , is the greater Argument of their be●●g conscientious to Christ , in refusing to pay ●●em . And therefore F. B's opposing our ha●●ng Favour , tended to affect the most Tender ●nd Conscientious among us . And 't is not T. C's . ●o , No , that will excuse him , nor his daring to ●…y such an Uncharitable Thought never entred ●…B's Heart , that will clear either of them from ●ncharitableness towards us in this point . What profound , heart-seeing Judge hast thou T. C. ●ade thy self herein ? it seems very high Pre●●mption in thee , ( but without Probation , ) thus acquit thy Brother Bugg's Malicious Heart , ●…en from Uncharitable Thoughts , as if he ●ere arrived to a very high pitch of Perfection ●…ove thy self , who confessest thy self to be an ●●perfect , Fallible Sinner in thy Imrod . And no ●●ubt as Fallible in this thy profound Judgment ●●d Vindication on thy Brother Bugg's Heart . ●nd as Fallible and Sinful thou appearest in ●ondemning G. W. as wicked , and his Spirit as ●…t the Spirit of Christ ; and that upon a strange , ●●esumptuous , and severe Exercration upon thy ●●lf , in thy following Words , viz. p. 5 , 6. I have here taken notice of but some of G. W' s. ●…ess , that by the Fruit he brings forth , you ●ay be capable of judging into what Root he is graft●●●… ; and I am so well satisfied that his Spirit is not ●…e Spirit of Christ , nor he ( as he falsly pretends ) a ●●stant Servant of Christ , that I do now in coolness and not in heat of Passion , give him and his wicke●● Abettors that advantage to improve their Intere●● and Power therewith , ( i. e. the Spirit of Christ , against me , that I may end my Days in Infamy , 〈◊〉 an Example to others , if his Spirit be that 〈◊〉 Christs . [ Thus far thou T. C ] . Now observe here what a fearful Execratio● or Curse thou hast conditionally denounced against thy self , ( resembling that Oath , God do●… to me and much more , if , &c. 1 Sam. 20. 1● 2 Sam. 3. 35. 1 King. 2. 23. ) and appears no le●● than an Oath of Cursing in a high degree , an● all to prove G. W. wicked , not led by the Spirit 〈◊〉 Christ , nor a Servant of Christ. For if he 〈◊〉 so , or his Spirit be of Christ , then with t●● Spirit of Christ we may improve our Intere●● and power against thee ; and so , as that thou may end thy Days in Infamy , as an Example , &c. Th●● this be no proof at all against G. W's . Spiri● but rather the contrary , that thou art not 〈◊〉 a Christian Spirit , nor led by the Spirit 〈◊〉 Christ , ( who forbids all Swearing , and co●mends Blessing and not Cursing ) by thy volu●tary bringing thy self under such an Oath 〈◊〉 Execration ; yet the Spirit of Christ in us , not willing thou shouldest perish or dye und●● thy own Curse , though thou hast reason to fe●● it's coming upon thee for thy great Envy , a●● horrible Presumption herein , if thou dost n●● Repent . SOME BRIEF REMARKS ON T. C's . BOOK . MY testifying against F. B's . Seditious Treatment , as thereby endeavouring ●o incense the Government , and stir up the Mobb ●gainst us , as being New Rome , Perjured Per●ons , &c. proves not me Seditious , as is falsly re●orted , p. 9. unless T. C. will own himself Se●itious , by the same Argument , because he ac●uses G. W. to be guilty thereof . Yet Buggs . ●eigned Pillory , T. C. confesseth was not well don'e ●ut then to extenuate and excuse F. B's Crime , ●e places it on high Provocations , &c. telling ●s Oppression may cause a Wise Man to err , p. 9. 〈◊〉 seems he would not have him rendred Mad , ●●o ' his Mock-Trial and Pillory , was no small piece of Madness . But is this all the Judgment and Condemnation T. C. has to give against Bugg's cruel Mocking and gross Forgery , in his Mock Trial , and Condemnation of Honest Men to Perjury and Pillory ; which appeared no other than the Tragedy of a furious Incendiary and Persecutor , and a work of Envy , Outrage and Scandal to incense the Government and Mobb against us ? which to testifie against , could not be seditious on our parts , as T. C. mistakes in his Inference . On that Saying his Flesh is a Figure , p. 26. The form of a Servant , and Fashion of a Man , are of the same Import , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Phil. 2 , 6 , 7. and not in Contempt given to Christ. Where is the Term Flesh , understood the Person of ●ur Lord Jesus ? Where did J. P. say that the Fles● or Body of Christ , is of an Earthly , Perishing Nature , p. 27. though ours be ? I am not convicted of acquitting the Guilty , 〈◊〉 accusing the Innocent , by inverting F. B's . A●gument against J. Pennington upon himself , viz ▪ Now if he ( to wit Christ ) took ours , and ours ●e a perishing nature , ergo his was perishing , or it w●● not ours , ( Quoth F. B. ) This being spoken o● Christ's Flesh and Blood , 't is apparent F. ● run into the same Error he falsly accuses J ● with ; for he cannot deny that Christ took up●● him the Flesh and Blood of our Nature , H●● 2. 14. And that ours is perishing . When●● F. B's . Consequence is , Ergo , his was perishing , 〈◊〉 it was not o●rs , thereby he plainly has in●e●re● Christ's Flesh and Flood to be of a perishing Nature . And thou T. C. canst not wind him out of this Snare , nor make F. Bugg innocent or sound in his Logick ; against which I excepted , viz. I deny his Ergo , though our Flesh be perishing as in us , it was not perishing when assumed by him : See Innocency Triumph . p. 23 , 24. How far the Name of Christ belongs to every Member , but chiefly to him the Head , is fully demonstrated in my Charitable Essay , p. 4. which thou dost not Answer but quarrelest impertinently . Where dost thou prove that the Person of our Lord Jesus consists of Flesh , if none do oppose his Flesh or Body , to his Soul or Life ? ( as thou sayest , ) p. 26. Thou wouldst know where the Flesh of Christ as distinguished from his Life and Soul , is called Christ in Scripture , p. 28. Answ. 'T was Christ that died , but how ? as to his Flesh , not as to his Soul or Spirit . That the Person Jesus of Nazareth , we do not exclude or deny to be Christ , p. 29. If by Person , thou meanest both Soul and Body , he being a Compleat Saviour . Qu. 1. Can the Bodily Garment taken literally , be called Christ ? 2. And is a Person made up of Body or Flesh only ? 3. What is a Person truly and properly ? Though [ Him ] is sometimes given to the Body , yet more properly to the Son of God , for whom it was prepared , or to the entire Christ. I know no Contemptuous Speeches , or Expressions of our Lord Jesus , or Scriptures excused , p. 12. 29. consequently much less owned by me . And though I have evinced J. P's . meaning , on his Words reflected on about the Body or Flesh of Christ ; it follows not that I thereby make his Expressions mine , seeing I note them as his . I may see cause otherwise to word the Matter , and yet our Intentions be the same . We have not the same Expressions and Utterance in all Cases , and yet may aim at , and mean the same thing , but never to Contemn our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ , ( or the Holy Scriptures which testifie of him , ) in any respect , far be it from us so to do . Therefore T. C. has grosly wronged and misrepresented us in these Matters , with many more Perversions , Lies and Scandals in his Pamphlet than are here recited , for which I wish his Repentance before he dies . What Terms were intended to G. Fox , where his Name is not mentioned ? p. 29. Dost thou ground this on Bugg's Charge , that our Prophets called him the Branch , the Star , the Sun of Righteousness , and put the North of England , for the Town of Bethlehem ; as in his New Rom. ●n●sk . Epist. to Ber. and p. 81 ? If thou dost , thou hast espoused a shameful Lye , before detected , that our Testimony against T●thes should be maintained , p. 30. is not a Law of our own making , but of Christ's ; and we are Conscientious in observing of it . And to thy Question about ( our boldness for ●ur Testimony in that Case , ) what may be expected from them , ( that is the Quakers ) , when they have ●ower ? p , 18. Answ. It may be expected that they will take ●way the Burthen of Tythes and forced Maintenance , and leave all People free to maintain their own Ministers . And what hurt should we ●o therein pray ? Qu. Who termed G. F. the great Apostle of Jesus Christ ? p. 30. He was a great Apostle ●f Jesus Christ , Ergo , not Jesus Christ , as some ●ave aspersed us with Blasphemy . But he might 〈◊〉 eminently instrumental in Jesus Christ , as a ●reat Apostle of his , endued with Life , Strength ●●d Power from above , for the Converting 〈◊〉 , and strengthning many in the Faith : And ● believe J. C. and J. A. meant no other of ● . F. but as eminently Instrumental in Christ Jesus , whose Servant , Minister and Apostle he ●as . Thou fallaciously beggest the Question , in ●●lieving those High Titles of the Branch and ●●e Star , were intended to G. F. p. 30 , as thy ●rother Bugg most falsly accused and defamed 〈◊〉 , ( for Denying ▪ ) with Perjury and Pillory : ●●s a bad Cause thou abette●● , for which the 〈◊〉 Jadge of all , will judge thee . If true Prayer and Praise to God by the Spirit of Christ in his Saints be as Living Sacrifices , how much more his Spirit and Life , which is the Cause of such Sacrifice ? Where provest thou that those Names an● Terms thou sayest were H●llish and H●ll-f●●ch●● were given by any of us to true Ministers , 〈◊〉 to Christ's Ministers , as thy Brother Bugg h●● accused us ? That F. B. gives us all the ill Names he c●● p. 32. I meant all the worst of Names , as N●● Rome , Impostors , Cowards , Sophisters , a pack 〈◊〉 False Witnesses , and Perjured Persons , and th●● Simon Magus never exceeded these Impost●● Were not these as ill Names as he could gi●● us ? What worse than Impostors and Sorcer●● as Simon Magus was ? canst thou give us worse ? P. 35 , 36. The Expressions charged as 〈◊〉 Contempt of Christ's Person , set in opposition 〈◊〉 Scripture Testimonies , seem to be taken b● on trust from Fr. Bugg , and out of his N●● Rome , &c. and mostly answered ; and I doubt not but our Friends Books out of which th● were taken , would clear themselves , if impartially examined . T. C's . Charge against the Quakers amo●●● to this , that they undervalue and con●em● 〈◊〉 Body of Christ , the Flesh of Christ , the Pers●n Christ , and the ●●a● Christ Jesus himself , p. 37. & ● Which is all a gross and great Slander a●a●● us , for which Jesus Christ will judge thee T. ● ▪ As also a Notorious Falshood that G. W. in his little Book , p. 5. doth implicitly deny Christ's Bodily Ascension , p. 37. I have confess'd the contrary , viz. That the same Christ that was Crucified , visibly ascended , &c , Thou finally appealest to the Impartial Reader , whether there be not great cause for Suspicion , that we contemn and slight our ever Blessed Lord Jesus , the Scriptures and Governours ? And what Cause or Ground of Suspicion hast thou for these Ca●umies ? with Bugg's Exceptions , and thy impertinent Quarrels , which we accept not for any Probations . Now thy great Charge is turned to Suspicion : For shame give over such Envious , Trifling , Doting , Shatter-headed , Confused Work ? And do not thus mispend thy little remaining precious time with such abusive peevish Quarrels and Calumnies against the Innocent and Peaceful , who ows thee no ill●il . What Injury have either G. Fox , Isaac Pennington , George Whitehead , or Tho. Ell●oad done thee , that thou art so peevish and bitter against them ? THE END Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A65860-e1860 * 1 Joh. 1. 14. Luk. 1. 26. & 2. 10. 1. Mark ● . 7. Matt. 17. 5. & 26. 67. & 27 38. 50. & 28. 6. Acts 1. 9 , 10 , 11. & 5. 3● , 31. Acts 2. 36. Hebr. 5. 9. & 12. 2. Rom. 8. 34. Acts 7. 35. 56. & 10. 38. 1 Cor. 15. 15.