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A61887 R7223 (Wing S6056). civilwar no A light shining out of darknes: or, Occasional queries submitted to the judgment of such as would enquire into the true state of things in o Stubbe, Henry 1659 13690 121 165 0 0 0 0 209 F The rate of 209 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2002-05 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2002-06 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2002-07 John Latta Sampled and proofread 2002-07 John Latta Text and markup reviewed and edited 2002-08 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A LIGHT Shining out of DARKNES : OR Occasional Queries SUBMITTED To the JUDGMENT of such as would enquire into the true State of things in our TIMES . Job 8. 8 , 9 , 10. For enquire , I pray thee , of the former age , and prepare thy self to the search of their Fathers . ( For we are but of yesterday and know nothing , because our dayes upon earth are a shaddow . ) Shall not they teach thee , and tell thee , and utter words out of their heart ? LONDON , Printed in the Year MDCLIX . TO THE READER . Reader , THou hast here a few Questions proposed by one , who desires to lye lowe in his own eyes : and after all his Reading , rather to doubt , ( doubting is no more the way to errour , than to truth ) than to assert . I know not how long thou mayest be in perusing them , I am certain they were not long in penning : yet this thou mayest be secured of , that the citations here are not obtruded upon thee at second hand , being not transcribed out of men that misalledged them , but fetched from their Originall Authors . He who queried , did not so much as trust his memory , or juvenile collection , but brought all to thetest by a faithfull reveiw .. The interrogatories are of such moment , that he thought they might deserve a satisfactory answer : and he had observed that neither the Pulpiteers , nor VVriters of these times did contribute by their labours any thing towards such conscience-work , though the posture of their Affairs require it . He thought fit in his questions , to produce such testimonines as made for the Negative and Heterodoxe part . Unto which process he was enclined by severall reasons : One is , because that the generall prejudices of many in this age , are such , that if he had not done this , they would not have thought these things questionable . Secondly , he had a tender regard to those who have made the subject of these queries to be their Assertions : in the behalf of these , he did set down what you see , that their Opponents ( though they pride themselves with the conceipt of learning and esteem of others as illiterate ) may at last own them for less than fanaticall and groundless Opinionists . He did not alledge any proofes for the other part , both because he knew that others would do that for him ; as also because he had not that esteem for quotations to the contrary , which he had for these : not that he is much prepossessed through prejudice , but upon an old protestant consideration , that records and presidents differing from the received ways and interests of men , are more to be regarded from any that make for them ; since the forgeryes and falsifications of precedent Ages make it propable , that such passages might be inserted and foysted in , but why or how these should be adulterated he did not see . Even in matters of common transaction , in our English Courts of judicature , he thought he had been 〈◊〉 , that one precedent or verdict against the jurisdiction of a Court is of more validity than a thousand for it : because it is supposed that none will , contrary to right and equity , infriage their own power . Further ; if any should oppose the sayings of others in the behalf of humane learning , to what he had vouched , he hoped they would produce them out of Authors contemporaries with his , or else they should not imagine that he would think any such averrements to be contradictory to what his query may seemingly assert , nor yet satisfactory to the question , nor doth he think ( and . Heraldus , Ouzelius and others concurr with him herein ) that out of Antiquty they can alledg any such quotations . If they oppose his query with the practise and use of humane learning which is found in Clem. Alexandr. Orig. Tertullian , Lactantius , Arnobius , Minucius Felix , &c. He shall not think such dealing to be fair : since the question is what was their judgment ? not what they did practise ? Of the latter no man will suppose the querist to be ignorant ; and if any should , yet would the Objection be of no value , untill they shall evince that every man did in those times live up to the light he had ; and acted as he spake . He thinks it may have been with the Ancients as with [ Vega ] that excellent methodest in Physick , who being sick of a feavour , a friend visited him , & found him drinking wine ; whereupon he charged him with having formerly prohibited the use thereof in feavours by his writings : The infirme replyed , in my books you see the practise of Physick , but in me the practise of Physicians . He supposes that after persons have been brought over from Paganisme to Christianity , something may stick by them , as an ill scent may when one comes out of a jakes , yet that is their failing , not their justification . If Moses learnt the Egyptian skill , it was whilst he remained in Pharaoh's Court : And so Paul was learned in Heathen Authors , but it was before he came to the School of Christ , he hath used them but three or four times in his works , whereas now they are more frequent than Texts of Scripture . Athanasius against the Gentiles , saith the Scriptures are sufficient to declare the truth of themselves ; and that if his friend Macarius did read other Religious writers , It was but {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , as a lover of Elegance , not as a lover of Christ . O●…her things there were which he saw might be objected , which he will not now insist upon , having weighed them in the ballances and found them light . About the call of the Ministry and the first Reformers , he hopes not to be opposed with the afterjudgment of Luther , or the rest . He is not of their Opinion , who thinke the first reformers did use that Artifice of bending a crooked stick , as much the other way , that so it may at least become straight . Such dealings are not to be admitted in the service of our God , who is a consuming fire : It is to charge them with a great hypocrisie ( since they never owned any such actions , but delivered all as precious and glorious Truths ) and to make them guilty of the ruine of those poor souls , who dyed in the profession of a belief their teachers did not intend them . In fine , it is to make the first Reformation as bad ( or not much better ) away as that of Popery , and all that embraces it , and adhere thereunto , to be in a different only , and sinfull estate . It is a slur to the greatest wonder God hath produced after the Churches being 1200. years in the Wilderness : How much more ought we to prejudge all succeeding times from their Doctrines ? and having such pregnant motives to believe they were spirited by God , let us impute their after-change to failings upon carnall considerations , when Luther went to settle himself . Pope in Germany , and his writings were advanced as the test of truth ; and an Oligarchy of Ministers setled elsewhere . Let us owe our Reformation to God and not Belial or Antichrist , to the call and excitement of the former , not consecration of the latter . Let us acknowledge their zeal , their chatity & those more glorious principles of spirituall graces , rather than prudentiall contrivements . Are not those there first works which are here quoted ? are not those the works by which Luther said he would have men and Angels tryed ? If you say , that there is a difference betwixt a Church setled and unsetled : a question will arise ( if that can be questioned ) whether the Papists did not say their church was then setled ? and whether any settlement politicall will suffice to debarr those actings ? for then the first Reformers , yea , first Christians , and Christ himself , all are cast . If only what is a settlement of truth , or Gospel-settlement be intended , doth not this resolve all into a try all of doctrines ? & a proof that the present way is the sole Gospel-way ? Which who soever shall avow , he need not want employment for his thoughts from the severall writings of Papists , Episcoparians , Presbyterians , Independents , &c. however the Questionist should rest . OCCASIONAL QUERIES , SUBJECTED To the Judgement of such as desire to enquire into the true State of things in these our Times . I. WHether there be any certain or peculiar Name in the New Testament that signifies a Minister ? Or any name whence an Office may be convincingly inferred ? * If there be not ( as there is just cause to doubt ) whether the present Ministers are not to blame , whilst they pretend to an Office and Function grounded upon Divine Right , which hath no other Foundation than the Hay and Stubble of humane Conjecture ? THe words used in Scripture to signifie a Minister , ( as they are vulgarly applyed ) are {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , and {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . Now none of these determinately signifies an Officer , but any one that performs such or such a work , whether out of Du●… or Charity . Minister Executor merus est , say the Civil Lawyers : {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} signifies either a Deacon or Church-warden , Acts 6. or else it may be taken in as large a sense as hath been specified . Philem. v. 13. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , that he may minister to me in your stead . Was this an Office ? so the Civil Magistrate is called {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , the Minister of God , Rom. 13. 4. and 1 Cor. 3. 5. Who is Paul ? who is Apollo ? {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , but Ministers ( or instruments ) through whom you have believed . And Sathan , ( though he be a great Imitator of Christ ) is not said to have a constituted Ministry by way of Office for his service , yet he hath Ministers , 2 Cor. 11. 15. Sathan is said to transform himself into an Angel of Light . {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} therefore it is no great thing if his ministers be transformed as the ministers of righteousness . This is not meant of any peculiar Function or Office , but a general performance of any thing accordingly as an Officer , servant , or minister would . In like manner is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} used in that general sence : Magistrates are said to be {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , Gods mini●…ters Rom. 13. v. 6. And Paul saith of Epaphroditus that he was {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , he did minister to his wants , Phil. 2. v. 25. yet was not he his small officer , that we know . So {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is taken also Acts 13. 5. John was the {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , or minister , or servant of Paul and Barnabas . Yet doth it not appear that he was so by duty , but respect . See Acts 20. v. 30. and Acts 24. v. 24. Is it not then probable , ( and that is all that is desired at present ) that there was no distinct office , because there is no distinct name for Ministers ? and it is not evident that such an office cannot be proved thence , the places being aequivocal , and capable of a different sence then what is usually put upon them ? II. Supposing there were such a name , yet would not such a name be more Generall then that of Apostles ; and comprehend not only them but Prophets , Evangelists , Pastours , and all such as should labour in the worke of the Ministry of the Gospell ? And is it not an Act of Arrogance in them who would be the Apostles successors in ordinary , ( though by the way it was something Extraordinary that made an Apostle , and if that was wanting , then the person was not an Apostle , but some other Officer : besides , how did the Pastors or Teachers or Presbyters succeed them who were their contemp raries , and never resigned up or deserted their stations ? ) Ordinary Embassadours from the most high , to assume a name of greater latitude than that of Apostle or Embassadour Extraordinary ? or at least , is it not as absurd as if the Ants should assume the single name of Animal : and the Lacquey that of Servant . III. WAs not the name of Minister brought in by the first Reformers , many whereof were Private Christians , who did assume that Title , either because they found themselves not rankable under the name of any other Evangelicall Officers : or in opposition to that Romish Hierarchy and Priesthood , whence the Moderne Episcoparians and Presbyterians derive their successive Ordination ? IV. WHether the name of such as officiated in the first centuries were not Presbyter , an Elder , and in after-ages Sacerdos * a Priest ? and whether that change were only of names , or of the nature of their Office through the working of the mystery of iniquity , aggrandising himself , and turning the Lords Supper in an Oblation ? If the latter be true , where is succession ? How shall it be revived ? Is it in not this case as in the adoption of children , where a lineage failes ? Is it a Succession , where there is an Intercision and Discontinuance , or rather a Similitude and Resemblance ? V. WHether the present Ministry do not pretend to be Ministers of the Church Catholique ? Whether there be any mention of such a Church in Scripture , or in any Ancient Creed of the first Ages ? ( a ) And whether Luther did not place instead thereof in his Creed the Christian Church ? ( b ) Whether any body can tell what is the Determinate meaning of that word ( c ) and shew , without absurdity , how one may be a Minister thereof ? And whether if any should be found so to do , yet would not our present Ministers in Generall be culpable , who know not of what Church they are Ministers , or how she is Catholique ? ( a ) Of this see Bishop Usher de symbolis pag. 8. 9. Vossius de symbolis pag. 27. Gerard loc. Comm●n . de Eccles. Meisnerus de Ecclesiâ sect. 4. c. 3. Major advers. Ualerian . magnum in praefat. ( b ) This is averred by Gerard in his common places somewhere : And Fulke upon the Rhemish Testament objecteth ; some have taken the word ( Catholique ) out of their Creed , puting Christian for it , which in the Margin , he says are the Lutherans in their Catechismes , which objection he admitteth , see Fulke upon Acts 11. near the latter end . And indeed it is generally acknowledged that Luther could not endure the name of Catholique ; insomuch as if that word were found in his writings with approbation , the Book or passage was thereupon suspected by his Scholars , as not his : see Colloqu. Altemberg . in Resp. ad Accus. Cor. 2. fol. 254. see also Beza in his preface upon the new Testament , to the Prince of Conde . ( c ) There are no lesse than seven significations thereof , as the case is audited by Miesnerus de Eccles. sect. 4. c. 3. VI . WHether Ecclesia ( which is a word signifying a Church ) be not a Law-terme deduced from freestates , in which common wealths , the supream popular Assembly acted and Organ●sed by the Archon and Proedri ( as a Church f●rm'd and Pre●●yterated by a Minister and Elders ) which did not rule but Preside ? ( a ) Whether any other sense but tha● , can be a Foundation of Argument ? since no terme can be the subject of a rationall discourse , whose meaning is not agreed on : but of a figurative speech , no man ( none but the Spirit hat gave it out at first ) can determine satisfactorily to others how farr the Analogy extends : how farr the cords may be stretched , and what is the just and full scope of the holy Spirit there . ( a ) This is so evident , that he must not have conversed in any Greek Story , who denyes it . They who have not read Thucidides , nor Aristophanes , may satisfy themselves about it out of Sigonius de Rep. Athen. and Ubbo Emmius's vetus Graecia Illustrata . VII . WHether such a sense of the word Ecclesia , or Church , doth not unchurch all the Parochiall Churches in England , and unminister all their Ministers ? VIII . WHether the Ministers do well to derive their succession unto Christ by the means of Antichrist ? Whether the Reformed Divines , being solemnly met at Poissy before the King and Nobility of France , did not reject such Ordination ? as also Luther and Sadeel and Beza ? Whether ours do not ill to impose upon them a call and Ordination which they disowned . Thuan : Hist. lib. 28. pag. 45. Espencaeus demirari se subinde saepius dixit , quâ authoritate Protestantes , & a quo vocati & instituti ad ministerium essent , & cum neminem citarent a quo manus impositionem suscepissent , quomodo legitimi pastores censeri possent , nam manif●…stum est , vocatione ordinariâ minimè institutos ; Cum autem ad extraordinariam miraculis opus sit , nec ea ipsi edant , necessariò sequi , nec secundùm ordinem , nec extrà ordinem , eos in domun Dei ingressos esse . ( Thuan. pag 46. ) Beza ad vocationem legitimam respondit , manuum impositionem non necessariam legitimae vocationis notam esse ; pracipuas esse atque adeo substantiales , in mores ac doctrinam inquisitionem , & electionem , nec verò mirum esse , si ab iis , qui vulgò ordinarii vocantur , manuum impositionem non acceperint ; An enim ab illis , quorum depravatos mores , superstitionem ac falsam doctrinam improbant : aut expectandum , ut ab illis approbarentur , qui veritatem oppugnant , quam ipsi tuentur . Neque verò semper miraculis ad extraordinariam vocationem opus esse , idque exemplis Isaiae , Danielis , Amosi , Zachariae , postremò Pauli confirmat . The Protestant Lascicius ( in further proof hereof ) alledgeth in the book intituled De Ruscor . Muscovit . Et Tartaror . Relig. pag. 23. Calvin saying , quia Papae tyrannide abrubpta fuit vera ordinationis series , novo subsidio nunc opus est . &c atque omninò extraordinarium fuit hoc munus , quod Dominus nobis injunxit . And Beza at the conference at Poissy being demanded of the calling of himself ( and his other then Associates ) affirmed the same to bee extraordinary . Sarav . in d●…fens . tract. de . D●…vers . g●…ad m●…nish . evangel . p. 3. hath recorded his words thus . Sed pra●…terea qu●…nam est ista qua so ordinaria vocatio , quam eos habuisse dicis , quos Deus paucis exceptis , excitavit ? cer●…è papistica : nam h●…c tua ve●…ba sunt ; hodie si episcopi Gallicanarum ecclenarum se & suas ecclenas a Tirannide episcopi Romani vindicare vel●…nt , & eas ab omni Idololatriâ & superstitione repurgare ; non opus habent aliâ vocatione ab eâ quam habent . Quid ergò papisticas Ordina●…iones , in quibus neque novum examen praecessit , neque leges ull●… servat sunt , inviolal iliter ex divino jure in electionibus & ordinationibus Pra script●… , in quibus puri etiam omnes canones impuden●…issimè violati sunt ; quae nihil aliud sunt quàm foedissima Romani prostibuli Nundinatio quâvis meretricum mercede , quam Deus templo suo inferri prohibuit , inqu●…natior ; quibus denique alii , non ad pradicandum sed pervertendum evangelium ; alii , non ad docendum , sed ad rursus sacrificandum & ad abominandum {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} sunt ordinati , usque adeo firmas tecum esse ceusebimus , ut quo●…ies tali cuipiam pseudo-episcopo Deus concesserit ad verum Christianism●…m tran●…re , omnis illa istiusmodi ordinationis impuritas simul expurgata censeatur : imo qui sic animum per Dei gratiam mutavit , quo ore , quo pudore , quâ conscientiâ , Papismum quidem detestabitur , suam autem inordinatissimam ordinationem non ej rabit ? Aut si ejuret , quomodo ex illius jure au●…oritatem docendi habebit ? Fulke against Stapleton and Marshall p. 2. about the middle saith , the Protestants that first preached in these last days , had likewise extraordinary calling . Brerely p. 361. that there is in Babylon , no holy order or Ministry indeed , no lawfull calling but a mere usurpation , see Propositions and principles disputed in the Vniversity of Geneva pag. 245. about the middle . And Mr. Gabriell Powell in his consideration of the Papists Reasons &c. p. 71. saith , the Popish Ordination is nothing else but mere prosanation &c there is no true ecclesiasticall vocation in the Papacy &c. And see further hereof Mr. Surcliffe in his answer to the Priests supplication to the 19 section ; And Mr Fulke in his Answer to a counterfit Ca●…holique p. 50. about the middle saith to the Papists ; you are highly deceived , if you think we esteeme your off●…es of Bishops , Priests and ●…eacons any better than lay-men ; and you presume too much to think that we receive your Ordering to be lawfull . And s●… Mr. Whitaker contra Dur●…eum lib. 9. p. 821. in the beginning , and Mr. Fulke in his reten●…ive &c p. 67. about the middle saith , with all our heart we d●…fie , abhorr , detest , and spit at your stinking , greasy Anti-christian Orders &c. IX WHether the Arguments of the first Reformers about their vocation do not justify any that shall take upon them to preach ? and in particular that of Morney Du-Plessis de eccles. c. 11. p. 243. * [ which is allowed of by Saravia de diversis gradibus ministrorum : who was an episcopall man ] whether Dominicus Soto do not prove it lawfull jure naturae ? and yet he is a Papist . * [ Phil. Mornay du Plessis , being urged about the call of the first Reformers saith , such intergatories are but the tergiversations of men already convinc'd in their own judgements , who dare not abide the tryall . just as Sedecias the false Prophet replyed to Michaiah : 1 Kings : c. 22. v. 24. when went the Spirit of the Lord from me , to speak to thee ? And thus the Pharises , Thou art the son of a Carpenter , who sent thee ? To whom we might determine the controversy by Christs own words , The words which we speak they beare witness of us . The Jews prided themselves in their long descent from Abraham , and being his successors . But what sayes Christ ? you are , indeed , the seed of Abraham , but yet you are of your Father the Devill , Joh. 8. and Paul tells us , 2 Thess. 2. Let no man seduce you , for Antichrist shall set in the Temple of God . Having premised these things , Mornay thus argues : When a Town is on fire , or assaultted by the enemy by scalado in the night , if any body shall rayse the sleepy watch-men , or give Alarme to the corps dugarde , whether stranger or citisen , none ask by what authority he doth it , but all run for water to quench the fire , or to the walls to repulse the enemy , men inquire into the case whether his discovery be true , and do not arraign or implead him otherwise ; yea , such a man receives thanks for his timely discovering the danger . But we ( saith he ) alarme the Christian world by descovering how Antichrist sits in the Temple of God , we offer to prove it , yet are we not regarded , nor our reasons listned unto ; but they clamour who are you ? and punish us more heinously than if we were Traitors . Should any Governor of a Cittadell demean himself thus in cases of intelligence , would not he soon be surprised by the enemy , and would he not be condemned by his Generall or Governors for neglect ? In the conspiracy of Cataline the Roman Senate derived that intelligence , which prevented the plot , from an Harlot : when the Capitoll was stormed by the Gaules they took an Alarme from the Geese . Let us therefore be never so mean , we ought to be afforded Audience . The Question is not , who we are , but whether that be Antichrist : seeke not into the Quality of the relators , but the truth of the relation : Christ was promised to the Jews , but revealed to the Shepheards ; these Shepheards divulged it among the people ; if we may credit our adversaries , those men ought to haue been questioned for it . The bretheren of Ephesus should also have ejected un-commissioned Apollos for preaching , but they received him , commended his Zeale , desired him to pass into Achaia , and wrote to the bretheren to receive him . — At the dreadfull day when men are to give an account of their Talents , it will not be a sufficient reply for any to say , they wanted ecclesiasticall vocation , when they wanted not the great inducement of Christian charity to employ that talent which was given them to profit with . The French Ministers , against whom Cardinall Perron writ , argue thus : in the old Testament some were extraordinarily raised to instruct the people : why may it not be so under the new ? the same motives are still remaining . Moreover they say , That it is not to be expected that Antichrist should commission men to distroy himself , see Champney de vocat . Min●…str . In fin●… 〈◊〉 Paipsts think they have sufficiently refuted th●… call of the first reformers , by shewing how ali sect , may use the same plea . ] F. Dom. Soto in quart . sentent . Distinct . quinta . quaest. V●…ic . Art. 10. p. 154. Conclus . 1. Ecclesia Christi primùm ac proinde unusquisque mortalium jus habet tam divinum quàm naturale promulgandi Evangelium ubique terrarum , probatur , 1. ex illo Marc. ultimo , euntes in mundum universunt pr●…dicate evangelium omni creaturae , & Matth. 28. data est mihi omnis potestas in coelo & in terrâ , euntes docete omnes gentes , baptizantes eos &c. quasi dixisset , quam ego potestatem in hác parte habeo , vobis confero ; habuit autem potestatem in ●…oto o●…be praedicandi , ergo illam nobis contulit . 2. Jure naturae unusquisque libertatem habet & facultatem docendi alios , ●…isque pe●…suadendi illa quae facere tenentur , sed universi mortales tenentur christianam fidem suscipere , ergo unusquisque potest id universis usque ad persuasionem suadere , id quod tertio sic confirmatur . Potest quisque quemque ea quae sunt juris natura●… docere , neque illo docendi jure privari valet , ergo ea qu●… sunt evangelicae fidei ; ut pote quae nec m●…nùs sunt obligatoria , & magis sint salutaria . Non dico quod possit cogere & convincere : nam supernaturalia intellectum non convincunt , sed tamen ea docere & explicare suo jure valet : res est clara . Luther . De abrog. . Miss privat . fol. 248 , 249. Invictis Scripturis firmabimus legitimum illud & unicum verbi ministerium esse commune omnibus Christianis , & quod omnes loqui & judicare possunt : dicit enim Paulus 2 Cor. 4. qui idoneos nos fecit Ministros novi Testamenti , non literae sed spiritûs ; hoc enim de omnibus Christianis dicit , ut omnes faciat Ministros spiritûs . Est autem Minister spiritûs is , qui tradit verbum gratiae ; sicut Minister literae , qui tradit vocem legis : hoc Moysis erat , illud Christi est . Item Petrus dicet omnibus Christianis , ut virtutes annuntietis ejus qui de tenebris vos vocavit in admirabile lumen suum . Quis Christianorum non est vocatus de tenebris ; at hujus est & jus & potestas , imo necessitas annunciandi virtutem sese vocantis . 1 Cor. 14. Luther . Ita interpretatur . Mulieres Panlus prohibet loqui non simpliciter sed in ecclesiâ ubi sunt viri , potentes loqui , ut non confundatur honestas & ordo , cum vir multis modis sit prae muliere idoneus ad loquendum & magis eum deceat , sed nec ex suo capite Paulus hoc prohibet , imò adducit legem , dicens subditas esse debere , sicut & lex dicit ; quâ autoritate divinae legis certus erat , quod spiritus sibi ipsi non contradiceret , & mulieres prius per eum viris subjectas , nunc supra viros non elevaret : quin potius memor & tenax sui instituti , prasentibus viris , viros magis quam faeminas afflaret . Alioquin quomodo solus Paulus resisterit spiritui Sancto , qui in Joele promisit , & prophetabunt filiae vestrae ? & Act. 21. erant Philippo quatuor virgines prophetantes : & Maria Mosis soror erat prophetissa , & Dibora ducem Barac instruxit : & Olda prophetissa consuluit Sanctissimo regi Josiae . Denique beatae virginis canticum vniversa celebrat Ecclesia per orbem , & ipsemet c. 11. docet malierem debere velato capite orare & prophetare ; Ordo itaque & honestas est , ut viris loquentibus in Ecclesiâ , taceant mulieres : nullis autem loquentibus viris , necesse est ut loquantur mulieres . X. WHether it be rationall to think , that our Ministers can derive a call from the Popish Clergy : since they do not ordain Ministers of the Gospell , but Massing Priests ? ( a ) Do not the Papists allow lay-men to preach even out of cases of necessity ? and that publiquely ? ( which is the main act of our Ministry , but no ministeriall Act with them ) ( b ) And whether the Sheriff of Oxford in Edward the sixths days did not publiquely preach in Maries Church at Oxford , without censure , or prohibition ? ( c ) ( a ) This is proved by the assertions of Beza formerly alleadged : as also Lancilotus against Hunnius doth avowe it , that their Doctors degree in the Vniversity is but a testimony of their abilityes , and though they do then receive liberty to preach , yet he ( a Papist ) thinks them mad , who thence conclude them to be Priests , or able lawfully without further Ordination to administer the Sacrament . Capistr . Hunn . c. 8. Luther de . ministr. . Eccles. &c. p. 366. Hoc meritò exhorrere debet quisquis Christum amat , & quidvis potius pati , quàm ordinari se a Papistis , quod omnia in istis ordinibus summâ & impiissimâ perversitate geruntur & aguntur , ut nisi caecitate & amentiâ percussi essent , viderentur de industriâ Deum in facie deridere velle . Nam cum ista ordinatio autoritate Scripturarum , deinde exemplo & decretis Apostolorum in hoc fit instituta , ut Ministros verbi in populo instituat , Ministerium publicum , inquam verbi , quo dispensantur mysteria Dei , per sacram ordinationem institui debet , ceu res , quae omnium in ecclesiâ & summa & maxima est , in quâ tota vis ecclesi astici Status consistit . Papistae autem mei de hoc Ministerio ne somniant quidem , in suis ordinibus , quid autem faciunt ? Primum caecitate percussi simul omnes , ne nôrunt quidem quid sit verbum aut ministerium verbi , praesertim episcopi ipsi ordinatores ; quomodo ergo fieri posset , ut ministros verbi , ipsi instituerint suis ordinibus ? deinde loco Ministrorum verbi ordinant Sacrificulos suos , qui Missas sacrisicent , & confessiones audiant . Hoc enim vult episcopus , dum calicem dat in manum , & conferri potestatem illam consecrandi , & Sacrificandi pro vivis & mortuis , nempe , potestatem illam quam gloriantur neque Angelos neque Virignem matrem Dei habere , ipsi etiam Lenonibus & Latronibus impuriores . Item cùm illis , Sacrosancto mysterio Spiritum in aures inflat , & confessores facit , dicens : accipite Spiritum Sanctum ; haec est illa potestas consecrandi & absolvendi glorio●…issima . Dic , rogo , me crassum , fingere aut mentiri , si invenias unum ordinatum istis Ordinibus , qui audeat dicere , sibi inter ordinandum esse mandatum , ut mysteria Christi dispenset , & evangelium doceat , & eccle●…iam Dei regat , quam acquisivit sanguine suo . Planè nullus hoc audet unquam , nec ad se pertinere putat , calicem verò accipit . & hoc totum esse putat , quod ordinatur , ut liceat Christum in Missâ consecrare , & sacrificare , deinde confessiones audire . Quin hoc tantum quaeritur an Titulum beneficii habeat , quo ventrem alat ; ut aliò prorsus non spectent , quam ad Missarum Sacrificium : his absolvitur tota ordinatio : qui hoc tulit , hic ordinatus est ab ecclesiâ Sacerdos , hanc potestatem tum nulli alii habent , hoc scilicet testatur unctio digi●…orum & rasura verticls . ( b ) F. Dom. Soto in quart . Sent distinct 1. quest . 5. Artic . 6. Ex jure divino praedicare non est officium annexum ordini Sacro ; imò prophetae antiquitùs praedicatores erant , essentqùe modo si existerent : & eremitae patres praedicabant in eremo , nec tamen sacerdotes erant , neque ideo mos ille reprobatur , quinimo Gregor. 1. Dialog: lib. quendam Laicum nomine Equitium laudibus commendat , quod praedicaret populo : adde quod in ordinatione Saterdotum nulla fit mentio praedicandi , neque illis deceret absque majori examine parem facultatem impertiri . Benedictus Arias Mortanus was a Physician , and studied Physique under Petrus Mena at the University of Complutum : and being afterwards practitioner of Physique in his native Countrey near Scivill , he was sent for by the Magistrate and masters of the inquisition at a towne called LLerina bordering upon Portugall ( without any Ordination ) Sacri verbi Populo per quadragesimae tempus enanciandi & exponendi causà , that he might expound and preach the word of God to the people in Lent : which worke he performed as well out of regard to the honesty of the Action , as of the dignity of the persons which called him thither . This he relateth of himself in his preface to Arceus . de cur : vuln . ( c ) This is cleare out of the preface to a booke of Sr. Thomas Cheeke's , called , the subject to the Rebell , published by Doctor Gerard Langbaine late head of Queenes Colledge , and Antiquary to the University of Oxford . His words are these . What rare preachers shall we imagine they had in the University at that time , when Mr. Tavernour of Water-Eaton High-Sheriffe of Oxford shire , came in pure Charity not ostentation , and gave the Schollers a sermon at St. Maries with his gold Chaine about his neck , and his sword by his side ? &c. XI . WHether the Papists say they sent them , or deny it ? and whether Commissions and Delegations are to be interpreted according to the intention of the Granter , or fancy of the Grantee ? Whether in rules of common Policy , he who is a Justice to keep the Peace under an Usurper , may by vertue of such a Commission draw a sword against him ? Is not it understood by peace , that particular Governours peace ? and is it not so in matters of truth ? Concerning Preaching , Churches , Tyths , Universities , Languages , and Phylosophy , Degrees , Habits , Garments , and Complements , &c. XII . WHether to make up a Divine of the best rank ( for the generality of them are not so qualified ) more be necessary than skill in tongues , knowledg of Antiquity , and school-divinity ? Whether any of the first Centuries after the Apostles , did understand Hebrew ? How many of the Latine Fathers before Jerome did understand Greek ? in particular whether Austin did much understand either ? Whether there can be any knowledge of Antiquity ? ( a ) and whether school-divinity be not a novell thing , slighted and condemned by the learned in all Ages ? ( b ) ( a ) Eusebius in his preface to his Ecclesiasticall history doth acknowledge , that as to the Records of precedent times , be had little certain help , besides the Acts of the Apostles ; But this question is handled at large in a learned treatise of Mr. Daille's , about the use of the Fathers . ( b ) See a book of one Launoy de variâ Aristotelis fortunâ . Where it appears that most of Aristotel's works were severall times publiquely burn't , and the reading and having of them forbid in the University ; because it was an occasion of error , Blasphemy , prophaness , Atheisme and the like : it appears likewise that those ( whom they call the Fathers ) and many godly persons , beside severall Synods and Councells did condemne Phylosophy , and the study of it upon the very same account . A brief Catologue whereof I have here set down , the better to satisfie the Reader . Hieron : lib. 1. Contr. Pelag. Quid Aristoteli & Paulo ? quid Platoni & Petro ? Tert. lib. de praes. Haeret. c. 7. ipsae denique haereses a philosophiâ subordinantur : Hinc illae fabulae & Genealogiae interminabiles , & questiones infructuosae , & sermones serpentes velut cancer , a quibus nos Apostolus refraenans nominatim Philosophiam contestatur caveri oportere , scribens ad Colossenses . c. 2. v. 8. quid ergo Athenis & Hierosolymis ? quid Academiae & ecclesiae ? nostra institutio de porticu Solomonis est , qui & ipse tradiderat , Dominum in simplicitate cordis , quaerendum esse : viderint qui Stoicum , Platonicum , Dialecticum , Christianismum protulerunt . — Non opus est Rhetoricâ post Evangelium , nec philosophiâ post Jesum Christum . c. 7. Launoy p. 10. de Euseb , persuasus est Eusebius faciliores ad fidem nostram patefieri non posse aditus , quam si gentilium & cum primis Aristotelis philosophia tolleretur . — si quando haeretici Scripturarum sensum corrumpunt , id praesertim Aristotelis operâ moliuntur . There is a great cloud of witnesses , who have left their testimony against the study of Philosophy , and have discovered how it hath corrupted the pure simplicity of the Gospell : which in the same are obvious for any to read . See likewise the judgement of Melanchthon in his Apologie or Luther against the University of Paris . Lud. Luther . a Sorbon . Damnat . Tom. 2. p. 193. quid ad nos quid Aristoteles impurus homo dicit ? p. 192. Videtur Lutetia non peccare nunc primùm , sed jam olim ineptire , eum doctrina Christi humanis disputationibus vitiata philosophari caepit ; constat enim . Lutetiae natam esse prophanam illam Scholasticam , quam vocari volunt theologiam : quâ admissâ nil salvum reliquum est Ecclesiae . Evangelium obscuratum est , fides extincta , doctrina operum recepta , & pro Christiano populo ne legis quidem , sed moralium Aristotelis populus sumus , & lex Christianismi contra omnem sensum spiritûs facta est Philosophica vivendi ratio , &c. p. 193 quae schola unquam purè docuit sacras literas . — Itane prodita est Scriptura ut non sine conciliorum , ●atrum & Scholarum expositione certa ejus sententia colligi possit ; non video cur oportuerit edi Scripturam , si spiritus sanctus non voluit certò constare quid nos sentire vellet . Ibid. I have heard that there is a collection of such persons , as have in all ages witnessed against the mixture of Phlosophy with Divinity , beginning with the Apostle who bids men beware of vain Phylosophy and continuing on to Gerson , and Picus Mirandula : It was collected by a Papist . To that Catalogue may be added the judgment of Merric Causabon , now living in England , and a Minister , who in his piety or defence of his Father Isaac Causabon , when the Jesuit had charged him with ignorance of School-divinity ; Thus replyes Meric Causaubon . Pietas contra maledicos patrii nominis & religionis hostes p. 122. Restar illa dialectica , sive scholastica ( uti volunt ) theologia ; haec vero qualiscunque sit , si neque Dei Verbo comprehenditur , & a veteribus omnibus ignorata est , per me fuerit illi is ignarus pater vosque semel viceritis adversarii {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} & {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ninmiâ plerunque curiositate non minùs prop●●mas impialque , quam putidas , & ineptas , omnes denique {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , quas olim peperit & meliorum literarum penuria , ( quae 〈◊〉 illorum saeculorum miseria ) non minori studio semper aversatus est , quam alia utilia ac profutura consectatus est . If any shall object that the Apostle in condemning vain Philosophy doth not prejudice what is true . I shall not only desire that Person to ascertain me of what is true in Philosophy , but further demand whether this dealing in making that distinctive , which is exaggerative , be not like that of Gregorde Valentia , who glosses upon the text of {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} abominable Idolatry ; that there is some which is not abominable . XIII . WHether the knowledg of Tongues lead us to one sense of Scripture , or many ? Whether al●… such dealings lead us not to put our trust in man ? ( an any matter of Faith be built upon the strength of a criticisme ? XIV . WHether the first Christians used much and long Preaching amongst themselves ? ( a ) Or did build their doctrine upon humane learning and criticismes ? ( a ) That they did not , it is probable ; because the Apostle saith they might all prophecy one after another : and that usually more than one , two or there did speak at one meeting . Besides Pliny upon examination of them , reports no such thing : besides some came with a Psalme , &c. XV . WHether Sermons be the indubitable Word of God , and whether that can be said by any Reformed Divine , since they have condemned all addition , even such as is Explicative ? * If they be the undoubted Word of God , why are they not bound up with the Bible ? Are there not four Gospells ? Ar there not the same things reiterated in the Epistles ? Is there not D●…uteronomy as well as Exodus and Leviticus ? And Cronicles as well as Kings ? XVI . WHether they , who were teachers of the People of God in the Primitive times , were not Handy-crafts-men of severall Trades ? ( a ) ( a ) So Paul was a Tent-maker , and followed that occupation in the time of his Apostleship , and Celsus objected it to Orign . ( Origen . lib. 3●…adv . Celsum ) that the Christian Teachers , such as propagated the Gospell were {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Weavers , ( or Combers of Wool ) Coblers , Fullers , and Illiterate and Exceeding Rusticke . XVII . WHether there were not as much cause for learned disputes in th●…se times , as now ? Are there any new opinions in our dayes , as such as are mantained with more Rhetorique , or Subtility than those of Old ? XVIII . WHether the first Christians were not against humane Learning , of Heathenish ? And whether it was only an effect of Julian the Apostat's malice , or Christian Prudence , that went about to keep the People of God from reading Heathen Writers ? * * Hieron. in Epist. 22. ad E●…o ch p. 62. Qu●… enim communicatio luci cum tenebris ? quis consensus Christo cum ●…elial ? quid facit cum Psalt●…rio Horatius ? Cum Evangelio Mar●… Cum Apostolis Cicero ? Non oportet bibere calic●…m Ch●…sti & Daemoniorum . Interrogatus de cond●…tione , respondi me esse Christianum ; Aut judex , mentiris , ait , Ciceronianus es , non Christianus , ubi enim Thesaurus tuus ibi & cor tuum , &c. Domine , si unquam iterum habuero co lices saeculares , te negavero . Minuc . Fel. speaking of the heathenish Gods mention'd in Poetry . Has fabulas & errores , & ab imperitis parentibus d scimus , & quod gravius est , ipsis stud●…is & disc●…plinis elaboram●… , carminibus pracipuè Poetarum , qui plurimùm quantum verita●…i ipsa suá authoritate nocuere . L●…b . de Justin●…nani saculi moribus , part 1. c. 26. p. 90. Chr●…stianos sanè veteres non legimus unquam palam & in Scholis Philosophiam Ennarásse , cum eam potius aversarenter . Ostendi verò ab aliquo ve●…m Philosophiam palam a Christianis tempore Justiniani Imperatoris aut etiam antea unquam traditam , c. 27. p. 91. Justini opera qui insp●…cit , novit eum ideo trans●…isse ad Ecclesiam , quòd nihil certum in Platonis Schola deprehenderet ; abstinuit itaque a Platone , caeterisquè operam impendens divinis literis . Machiavell in Livium in disputat . de repub. lib. 2. c. 5. Usque adeo enim d●…ligentes , assiduiquè erant primi illi Christianae Rel●…gionis institutores & moderatores , in extirpandis Ethnicorum superstitionibus , ut & Poetas , & Historicos , quibus aliquid tale cotineretur , comburendos putarent , Idola de●…icerent , & quicquid superstitionis , illas aliquo modo redoleret , id onme , in universum tollere conarenter . Herald . animadv . in Arno●… . lib. 3. p. 137. Certè Christiani quòd ab Honoribus & Magistratibus semoti privatam vitam agerent , eas literas , quae ad forensia aut politica officia cum laude obeunda , pra●…cipuè necessariae sunt , etiam negligebant : praeterea quia sophistae & Philosophi erant Christiani nominis hostes praecipui , idcirco vel hoc nomine philosophiam ipsam plerique aversabantur . De humanioribus & floridioribus literis asperiora etiam fuerunt veterum Christianorum judicia . Tragedias enim & comedias , aliaque caetera Poetarum scripta , precipuam eruditionis par , tem , quod ea ad solidam doctrinam conferre existimarent , praeterea laseiviâ ac turpitudine seaterent , denique fabulosae Idolatriae promptuarium esse crederent , aspernabantur & damnabant . Hinc exist●…at Tertull. lib. de Idolatr . 〈◊〉 Magistros & c●…teros professores literarum a●…ines esse Idola●… multimodae , quibus necesse est Deos nationum praedicare , nomina , genealogias , fabulas , ornamenta honorifica quaeque eorum enunciare , &c. p. 138. generaliter de sacula●…i eruditione paulo tristiora erant fidelium suffragia . Id. p. 139. ergo sa cula●… is eruditio apud veteres Christ anos periclitara est , quod inde et iam accidit , quod h●…c probra a Gentium sapientibus identidem inculcari audiebant , ●…hristianos Idiotas esse , literarum profauos & expertes ; Eccle●…ae doctores ●…udes & imperitos esse homines , Lanarios , Sutores , Fullones ; h●… inquam , quia a Gentibus vulgò exprobrari videbant , id●…co & literas ipsa , quibus tantopere gloriari videbantur adversarii , inutiles esse & ad salutem nihil conferre , imò ipsis saeculi sapientibus ad exitium quasi vehiculum esse Christiani contra referebant : hae igitur caus●…e quare Christianos tanquam literarum rudes & imperitos despuerint : hinc dicebat Celsus , sapientes a Christianis expelli folos stolidos admitti . Origen . lib. 3. Ibid. quia Christiani cla●…bant omnibus ad Salutem patere aditum , humilibus , servis , idiotis , rusticis , iis etiam quos mandus stultos existimat : hinc Celsus ( in cod . lib. Origin . ) haec in Christianorum conventibus proclamari dicebat . {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . Ourel . animadv . in Minuc Fel. p. 25. sicut autem Gentes sermonis stribiliginem & verborum vitia Christianis objiciebant , illosque rudes & agrestes vocitabant ; ita Christiani contra per irrisum eos polito , eloquentes , & doctos appellabant . &c. Tertull. de Testim. Animae . sed non eam te advoco quae Scholis formata , bibliothecis exercitata , Academicis & Porticibus Atticis partam Sapientiam ructas ; te simplicem & ●…udem & impolitam & Jdioticam compello , qualem habent qui te solam habent , illam ipsam de compito , de trivio , de tentrinâ totam , imperitiâ tuâ mihi opus est ut sciam quid sit anima . I shall not dispute whether the constitutions of Clemens Romanus be his , they are auncient , and in them lib. 1. c. 6. there i●… , Ab●…ine ab omnibus libris Gentilium quid enim tibi cum alienis sermonilus , aut legibus aut falsis prophetis , quae quidem homines leves a fide rectâ detorquent . In the Councill of Carthage is there not a Canon : Episcopus Gentilium libros non legat ? And are not these and the like passages in Gratian . Sacerdotes Dei omissis Evangeliis & prophetis videmus Comaedias legere , amatoria Bucolicorum versuum verba canere : Virgilium tenere , & id quod in pueris necessitatis est , crimen in se fa●…ere voluptatis . Nonne nobis videtur in vanitate sensus , & ols●…uritate mentis ingredi , qui diebus & noctibus in dialecticâ arte torquetur : qui physicus perscrutator oculos trans coelum levat & ultra profundum terrarum & abyssi quoddam inane dimergitur : qui Iambum ferit , qui tantam metrorum sylvam in suo studiosus corde & distinguit & congerit ? Was it not a Pope , Gregorius Magnus , that prohibited all Prelates in generall the reading of Heathen Authors . Se Joan. Diaconus de vitâ Gregor. c. 33. If you say that there is not now any danger of infection from the reading of heathenish books : you give but the same reason for them which Bellarmine does , de laicis c. 20. Art. 19. and which is refuted as a Childish and illiterate answer by Jacobus Laurentius a Protestant Minister de lib. Gentil . p. 40. 41. how much doe these reasons agree with what motives Julian ( epist. 42. ) alleadges for the prohibiting Christians from reading heathen writers . {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . * Of this Libanius is a witness in his Life tom . 2. p. 51. amongst other his misfortunes he laments the great contempt , and scorn that was cast upon the greek tongue after the death of Julian . {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} by {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} he means learning , and not only Rhetorique . So afterward he saith he was afraid least the Greek tongue should be suppressed by a law . Ibid p. 71. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . XIX . WHose Sepulchres do our University men build up , whilst they uphold Aristotles Philosophy , which hath been so generally condemned of late , and Heretofore by Popish assemblies , and particular men of that way ; as also by the first Christians , and honest men of All Ages ? XX . WHether the first Christians ●…ad any Churches , or did not assemble only in private houses ? ( a ) Whether their want hereof can be attributed to their being under pers●…ution , since they never made that excuse for themselves to the Pagans , who objected it to them ? Whether if it had not been their judgment , and not a nec●…ssitous practice , the heathen would have upraided them with such their detest ; or upon that account have termed them Atheists ? ( a ) We read of a Church to be saluted in such , and such a private house , in Scripture : and it is confessed by Minuc . Felix p. 10. Christiani nullas a●…as habent , templa nulla , nulla not a simulacra , Animadv. Ourel . p. 57. and Arnob. in the beginning of the sixth Book p. 189. and in the observat. p. 173. Arnold . adv. Gentes : in hâc enim consuêstis parte crimen nobis maximam impieta●…is affige●…e , quod neque aedes Sacras venerationis ad officia construamus ; non Deorum alicujus 〈◊〉 & formam constituamus , &c. XXI . WHether heresy be not attributed to Christianity in-Scripture ? Whether Tertull. doth not call the Christians fectam Christianorum ? Whether the meeting places of the first Christians were not called conventicula , before they were in Latine either Basilica , or Ecclesia ? ( a ) Whether they used to bury in Church-yards ? And why they did at last take up that custome ? ( a ) Arnob. lib. 4. Nam nostra quidem scripta cur ignibus meruerunt dar● ? Cur immanitur conventicula dicui , in quibus summus oratur Deus ? Lactant. lib. 5. c. 11. aliqui ad occidendum praecipites extiterunt , sicut unus in Phrygiâ qui universum populum cum ipso pariter conventicula concremavit . Oros. lib. 7. c. 12. Trajanus Plinii secundi relatu admonitus Christianos praeter confessionem Christi , honestaque conventicula nihil contrarium Romanis legibus facere . ( b ) Gaudentius de Justinianaei saeculi moribus . part . 1. c. 26. p. 34. where after examination of rites and customes concerning it , he saith thus . Quis non inde colligat consuevisse Christianos tempore Justiniani Imperatoris sepili●e privatim in agris suos mortuos ? in the same chapter he speaks somewhat how that custom came to be changed , but more fully in the 26. chap. he gives this reason . p. 36. cur verò Christiani ceperunt velle condi intra ecclesiarum ambitum , id causae fuit , quod consanguinei , qui orant in templo , preces pro iis fundant ; adde merita Martyrum & Apostolorum , Legimus apud Augustinum de curâ pro mortuis c. 5. Fidelem matrem , fidelis filii defuncti corpus desiderâsse in Basilicâ martyris poni , siquidem credidit ejus animam meritis martyris adjuvari . XXII . WHether amongst the Papists that have Churches or solemn meeting places , the Jesuits do not usually , notwithstanding that , preach in the Market places and Streets ? ( a ) What it is that makes teaching a publique Act ? If to teach publiquely be to teach accordingly as it is now practised , whether the Apostles did ever teach publiquely . ( a ) This liberty was granted to them by Pope Paul the third : the same is practised by the Friers minors and Dominicans , and Augustine Friers : and grounded upon the practise of the Prophets in the old testament : Jerem. 17. Amos. 5. Proverbs . 1. and of Christ and his Apostles in the new Testament ; besides that Matth. 22. and Luc. 14. in the Parable of the marriage Christ sends them out to the high-ways and streets for guests . All this is illustrated at large by Franciscus Bernardinus a Popish Doctor in his book de ritu concionandi lib. 2. c. 24. and confirmed by this reason ; & sanè egregium est opus hominibus otiosè in foro degentibus , nec ecclesiam alioquin adituris , divina annunciare monita , moresque dicendo formare & corrigere . XXIII . WHether the division into Pharises was not introduced by the Pope Dionysius ? And whether the Antient Christians paid Tythes ? If they did , whether they did not pay them as Almes . This is proved by Mr. Selden of Tythes . Joseph Scaliger did write against Tythes , the Protestants Generally beyond sea have disowned and disused them . The Bishops of Old in Ireland had but the allowance of three mi●h kine : Camdens Britann : speaking of the County of Cauon in Ireland . Gaudentius de Justinianaei saeculi moribus part . 1. c. 23. p. 30. 31. An exigebantut Decimae in usum sacerdotum temporibus Justinani Imperatoris ? id negaverit , qui cogitat nihil de decimis legi in codice , in quo tamen multa reperiuntur sancita de Episcopis , & clericis & Ecclesiis . Quod si consulas acta conciliorum Oecumenicorum , itidem vix quicquam reperies p. 31. decimae hortantibus Episcopis collatae proderant & Sacerdotibus & Pauperibus , non tamen compellebantur a Judice fideles ut largirentur decimam partem , ideo Justinianus de eâ materiâ nihil in leges retulit . And a little after constat fideles olim ex fructibus solitos sponte aliquid conferre , quod ab Episcopo dividebatur , partim Clericis , partim Pauperibus ; Quae verò liberè solvebantur , ob inveteratum morem abierunt in necessitatem : hinc profectae sunt tot leges Pontificum de modo solvendi decimas , deque ratione compe●…endi eos qui ipsas non solverent ; quâ de re passim interpretes Canonum , & ipse praesertim Pontifex Gregorius toto Titulo . lib. 3. decretal . c. 30. XXIV . WHether they had the use of Bells in the primitive times ? And whether the Bells in England that remain ever since the Reformation , have not been popishly and superstitiously christned . The former is proved out of Vossius upon the two epistles of Pliny and Trajan and Bernardinus de ritu concionandi . Pancirollus de Campanis Tit. 9. Campanae repertae fuerunt circa annum 400 a Paulino Episcopo Nolano . Est autem Nola Campaniae oppidum . Dictae fuerunt Campanae , quia in Campaniâ inventae ; & Nolae , à loco , in quo primùm fuerunt factae . The later is known from the common practise even now for the Papists to baptise bells . XXV . WHether it were not an act of superstition in former times to build Churches and Chappells in the form or fashion of a Crosse ? Whether it were not a sin of the like nature in antient times to build their Churches East and West , that so the People might bowe and pray towards the East , whence ( upon a grosse mistake of the word ) they expected the sunn [ of Righteousnesse ] should arise ? ( a ) And whether both these superstitions have not been renewed and practised lately in one of the Reformed Colledges of Oxford ? ( b ) ( a ) Clem. Alexandrin . Stromat . lib. 7. circa med. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . Quoniam autem diei natalis imago est Oriens , atque illinc quoque lux augetur , quae primùm illuxit è tenebris ; iisque qui volutantur in ignoratione exortus est dies cognitionis veritatis , quemadmodum sol oritur , ideo ad ortum matutinum habentur preces , unde etiam templorum antiquissima respiciebant ad Occidentem , ut qui vultu stant ad imagines converso , doceantur verti ad Orientem . This reason likewise the common-people give for their being buryed with their feet toward the East , that so they may be in a fitter posture to meet the sun of righteousness when he shall appear with healing in his wings , viz. at the resurrection : XXVI . WHether the primitive Christians had any Universityes , or other Schools of Learning than such as Origen did catechise in at Antioch ? ( a ) Gaudent . de mor. Saec. Justin. part 2. c. 26. p. 90. Christianos sanè veteres non legimus unquam palàm , & in Scholis Philosophiam enarrâsse , cum eam potius aversarentur , &c. XXVII . WHether Ancient times ( and those not very antient neither ) record any more than that of Bologna , Paris , Oxford , and Salamanca ? And whether Christianity at that time were not of farther extent , than the Kingdomes those stood in ? XXVIII . WHether it were not the design of the Reformers in King Edward the sixth's dayes to put down Universityes ? ( a ) Whether the then Dean of Christ-Church had not such intentions ? ( b ) ( a ) Langbain in his preface to Sr. Jh. Cheeks book , the subject to the Rebell , hath these words . The very Vniversityes which had been the glory , were now become the scorn , or pity of the Kingdom ; their Libraryes robbed and spoiled either by pretended autority or connivence , their libertyes and privledges invaded and borne down by the prevailing partyes , the Townesmen of Oxford and Cambridge . Much of their present Maintenance , and the main hopes of their future preferment taken from them ; at least in their opinion : when they saw most or all their revenues of their Colledges given ●…o the King . Some Bishoppricks actually dissolved , and the whole jurisdiction inclining to ruine . This did strike them with such a Panick feare , as did justly deterre parents from beslowing upon their Children that ingenuous education which was attended with so great charges , and so small hopes ; and such as were already entered upon that way , were forced to quit their professions , and betake themselves to another kind of life . And a little after speaking of some priviledges which Q. Mary bestowed on the Vniversity , he saith , and though this did perswade with some , that to be a Schollar was none of the greatest curses ; Yet I do not see , that the people were hearty friends with learning all Q. Maryes dayes , nor in the beginning of Q. Elizabeth . ( b ) See Bryan Twyne about the Antiquity of Oxford in his miscellany appendix . At that time the Library was destroyed , and many other things done or designed , which are reported by the said Bryan Twyne to be registred in the Archives . XXIX . WHether the rise of our present fashioned Univesityes and University-habits was not from the Dominicans ; an Order instituted by the Pope to suppress the Waldenses , those Predecessors of the Protestants ? And whether it is well done to derive their office and garbe from the Persecutors , and their Doctrine from the persecuted ? XXX . WHether the institution of Doctorall Degrees be not novell ? ( a ) And accounted Antichristian by the Reformed Churches in Scotland , France Holland , Switzerland , and the Calvinists in High Germany ? And whether they have any in those Countreys ? Or any habits in their Universityes ? ( b ) ( a ) Gaudent . de . mor. saec . Just . c. 24. p. 87 , 88. An Doctores renunciabat eos mos saeculi Just . qui peregissent studia , magisteriumque jam docti exuissent ? nihil ejusmodi reperire est , nam id inventum ad superiora saecula referendum est , non ad prisca Justiniana ; postquam inquam disciplinae caepere instaurari , trecentis fere abhinc annis , Doctorum quoque dignitas & nomen emersit , collatum solenni more . ( b ) This may be resolved by every Travailer . XXXI . WHether there are not in our , as well as other Antichristian Universities beyond sea , the same or rather more Popish , Idolatrous and Superstitious habits , Ceremonies and Customes ? Nay whether they do not rather exceed them in pompe as well as Number ? Compare the Vniversity statutes with that description of their formalityes at Paris in Ludus Lutheri à Sorbon . damnat . Insignia Doctoralia , annulus , Pyrrhetum , liber , osculum , cheirothecae , & Pyrrheta distributa in aulâ Doctorali , ultimo egregium convivium Doctorale , Bedelli cum sceptris praecedunt : To these of Paris , Oxford and Cambridge have added many more , For let any man take notice of all their Ceremonyes , Processions , Attire and attendance which the Bacchelours in Lent , and the Masters and Doctors at the Act and commencement appear in , and he will readily confess that these places of Antichrist at home are the more triumphant . And consequently let any one judge whether such , who are brought up in somuch state , and Pride , be fitly qualified to converse with the poore of the people , in whom Christ so much delighted , and of whom his Kingdome doth cheifly consist . The Genevians in their Annotations upon the ninth of the Revelation , ver. 3. where the Locusts came out of the Smoake , say they were and are false teachers , Heretiques , and worldly subtill Prelates , with Monks , Friers , Cardinalls Patriarchs , Archbishops , Bishops , DOCTORS , BATCHELORS , and MASTERS . Does not this note apparantly fasten the name of Locusts on all the Clergy of this land , and all such as are graduated in the Vniversity , by the name of Doctors , Batchelors , and Masters ? And doth it not as plainly yoake them with Friers , Monks , and Cardinalls , principall instruments in all times to advance the Popedome ? I know the words which follow after are alledged by some , to take off the envy of this note , viz. who forsake Christ to maintain false doctrines . But the enumeration of so many particulars makes not that not ethe lesse invidious , the said explication notwithstanding ; because the note had been as perfect and significant , had it gone thus in generalls onely , that is to say , by Locusts here are meant false teachers , Heretiques , and other worldly subtill men , that seduced the people , perswading them to forsake Christ to maintain false doctrine . Pet. Heylin against Fuller . p. 179 , 180. XXXII . WHether the University hood be not the product of the old Monkish Melote , spoken of by Cassion de institutione Monachorum : and grounded upon the superstitious exposition of that place in Hebr. c. 11. They w●…ndred about {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in Sheep-skins ? Whether it were not a Religious habit , it being a badge of Monkery according to Cassian , and Jerome upon Pachomius's rule ? Hospinian de Origine monachatûs c. 77. paragr. 11. fol. 273. reliqui Monachi cucullis passim ab initio usi sunt , more sumpto ab Egyptiorum monachis , Melotis item &c. XXXIII . WHether it be not a superstitious and detestable exposition of that Scripture , Stand fast having your loins girt , &c. To accommodate it to the Episcoparian Girdles , with which they tye in their Canonicall Coates , the rose or knot being on the left side ? XXXIV . WHether it be not a pretty foundation for the Oxford Doctors to stand booted and spurred in the Act ? ( a ) because there is mention made in the Scripture of being shod with the preparation of the Gospell ? And whether the Benedictine Fryers do not the same . ( b ) ( a ) See statut Acad. Oxon Tit. 7. sect. paragr. 17. ( b ) Hospinian de Origine Monachat . c. 77. fol. 273. Benedectini qui propriè dicuntur , nigro hodiè amiciuntur colore , tunicâ laxiore ac discinctâ , & ad pedes usque demissâ , amictu capitis quem cucullam vocant , in humeros & scapulas brevius rejecto , Ocreati etiam incedunt . XXXV . WHether the Ring , and Gloves , and corner Cap , which the Doctors are to put on , and the Kisse which they receive from ( the university Baud ) the Doctor that creates them , at the Act , are not of a Popish Originall , and now practised amongst the Papists ? Hospinian de Orig. Monachi . c. 72. p. 270. or there abouts . Surgit Pontifex & Benedicit annulum , & aspergit aquâ Benedictâ , & infigit eum digito annulari dextrae Abbatis , dicens , Accipe annulum fidei , scilicet signacullum , quatenus sponsam Dei sanct m●…viz . ecclesiam , intèmeratâ fide ornatus , illibatè custodias . His peractis Episcopus & Assistentes recipiunt Abbatem Benedictum ad Osculum pacis . Deinde Mitram aquâ Benedictâ aspersam imponit capiti Abbatis Benedicti , dicens , Imponimus , Domine , capiti hujus famuli tui Galeam munitionis & salutis , quatenus decoratâ facie & armato capite cornibus utriusque testamentï terribilis appareat adversariis veritatis , the gloves were instituted to signifie that they should keep themselves in all their Actions undefiled in the things of the world . Ibid. XXXVI . WHether the Universities of Oxford , do well to give for their armes the Book with seven seales ? Is not that a gross abuse of what is layed down in the Revelations : as if the seven Liberall Arts , ( two whereof are Grammer and Fidling ) were typified by those Seales , which none were worthy to open but the Lambe ? XXXVII . WHether Ministers do well to go in black , or the Universityes to command it . * * See Statut. Acad. Oxon. Tit. 14. paragr. 1. The words of the Statutes are in English thus . It is Ordered that all heads of Colledges , all fellows and Scholars wear black or sad coloured clothes , and all that are initiated into holy orders , as it becomes those of the Clergy to do . Clemens Alexandrinus expresly condemns all coloured clothes , and makes it the command or Doctrine of the great Christian School-master [ Christ ] to go in white , as any one may read in his Paedagog . l. 2. & l. 3. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . XXXVIII . WHether there were not of old amongst the Jews a sort of men called Chemarims or Black-coates ? Whether those were the People of God ? ( a ) And whether the Translators of the Bible into English did well to conceal the true meaning of this word by by●…ting others for it , or the very word it self in En●…h letters ? And whether the other words of the Bible , if they had been ordered in the like manner , had been yet translated ? ( a ) See Fuller concerning the Jewish Garments c. 6. These Chemarims were the Idolatrous Preists of B●…l , and got that name from their black clothes ( the word being originally deduced from Chemar , which in the Hebrew signifies to black or burne , and we usually complain of that coloured cloth to be burnt in the dying . ) A peculiar Habit no doubt to themselves , and which in opposition to them , I conceive few would wear . These Chemarins or Black-Coates God threatneth to cut off from Jerusalem , Zeph. 1. 4. They were prophesied against by Hosea , Hos. 10. 5. and rooted out by . Josiah , 2. Rings 23. 5. the word is in the margine . XXXIX WHether in Tertullians time , every one that did turne Christian , or at least was made a Presbyter , did not renounce his Gowne , ( which was the Roman Vestment ) for a long dark-coloured Cloak ? Whether afterwards the Clergy and Laity did not relinquish that , for Coates ( lacernae ) and both were alike habited ? In Fine , was not one , a Bishop , condemned at the Council of Gangrae ? for introducing the fashion of long-sad-coloured cloakes , that wear being counted at that Assembly , {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} , unbeseeming the Priest-hood ? All this is cleare to any man that shall read out Tertullian de Pallio , with the notes of Salmasius thereon . Hieron. in pist. ad Nepotian . c. 11. vestes Pullas aeque devita ac candidas . &c. XL . WHether the Doctors Scarlet Gowns , were not at first instituted as an Emblem , or representation of the Zeal which they either had , or at least ought to have ? ( a ) And whether those Doctors of Oxford and Cambridge who wear Scarlet-Gowns have not as little Zeal , as those Doctors which wear none ? ( a ) Erasin . Encom . Mor. de Cardinall . quid purpura , nonne 〈◊〉 in Deum amorem ? &c. XLI . WHether any of the Ceremonies and habits now used in the Universities , had a very good Originall , or have been employed to a good use since , XLII . WHether those things that had a good Originall and use ( if they be not still necessary or commanded by God ) when once they have been abused unto Idolatry or Superstition , are not quite to be abolished ? T is much if it be not objected here by some , that though their Orginall were Popish and Antichrstian , yet since they are employed to better ends and uses , viz. for distinction , Order and Decency , they may be lawfully enough reteined . To this I shall answer , might not the Jews have objected the same reason to their Reformers that the Golden Calfe and Groves might not be consumed and turned into Ashes , because they might be employed hereafter to better uses ? The One for exchange and Traffick , the other for building , fuel or a pleasant shade , very convenient in that hot Country . Might not the Brazen Serpent , though it were worshipped by some , yet still be preserved ? because it might serve to put others in Mind of God who had cured ; as well as the Pots of Manna , which were laid up to remember them how God had miraculously fed their fathers in the Wilderness ? yet when the Brazen Serpent was once abused to ●…dolatry , away it must go . In like manner was not Baali a proper Significant good word , yet when once an Idoll was called by it , the Lord , who is a jealous God , would have it no more used in his worship and service , but commanded them to call him Jshi . Yet we do not find that true neither that they are employed for distinction and decency , but rather in Pride , pomp , vain-glory ; so that by reteining of them they do no more then the Levite who stole away Micha's Gods from Mount Ephraim , and set them up at Dan , where Idolatry became a more publique worship . T is true that while the Army continued in Action t' was thought fit by the Vniversity Men in part to lay them a side , at least for awhile , but since the Honest party of the Armies have been scattered and weakened in great measure , they have again brought them into full credit and fashion , just like the Jews , who had learnt to make a calfe in Egypt , but had no opportunity to shew their skill till Moses and Joshua were gone out of the Campe . XLIII . WHether the whole use of that Complement , your Servant , was not anciently Condemned ? * See the book called a Treatise of use and Custom p. 160. 161. his words are these , he is not counted a civill man now of late years amongst us , that thinks much to subscribe himself servant , though it be to his aequall or inferior . Yet Sulpitius Severus was once soundly chid by Paulinus Bishop of Nola , for subscribing himself his servant in a letter of his : but you shall hear him speak , if you please , and see what he though●… of it ; In epistolae titulo , imitari praestantem in omnibus mihi fraternitatem tuam timui , quia tutius credidi verè scribere ; cave ergò pocthac , servus in libertatem vocatus , hominis & Fratris & conservi inferioris servum te subscribere , quia peccatum est adulationis magis , quam humilitatis justificatio , honorem uni domino , uni Magistro , uni Deo debitum ; homini cuilibet , ne dicam misero peccatori d●…ferre . &c. XLIV . WHether Persecution for Religion be not condemned by the Ancients ? ( a ) Was not a toleration granted to all by Constantine ? ( b ) do not some of the Papists themselves teach that no faith is to be enforced ? ( c ) ( a ) Lactant. Oper. lib. 5. de justitia p. 353. Lugdon . Sed defendenda sunt inquiunt suscepta publicè sacra . O quam honestá voluntate miseri errant ? Sentiunt enim nihil esse in rebus humanis Religione praestantius , eamque summâ vi oportere defendi ; sed ut in ipsâ Religione , sic in defensionis genere salluntur . Defendenda enim Religio est non occidendo , sed mori●…ndo ; non saevitiá , sed patientiá ; non scelere , sed fide , illa enim malorum sunt , haec bonorum ; & necesse est bonum in religione versari non malum : nam si sanguine , si tormentis , si malo religionem defendere velis : jam non defendetur illa , sed polluetur atque violabitur : nihil enim est tam voluntarium quam religio , in quâ si animus sacrificantis aversus est , jam sublata , jam nulla est , recta igitur ratio est ut religionem patientiâ vel morte defendas ; in qua fides conservata , & ipsi Deo grata est , & religioni addit autoritatem , &c. Tertull. ad Scapulam . Tamen humani juris & naturalis potestatis est , unicuique , quod putaverit colere ; nec alii obest aut prodest alterius religio , sed nec religionis est cogere religionem , quae sponte suscipi debet non vi . Magistrum neminem habemus nisi Deum solum . And Julian as bad as the Clergy makes him , see what he sayes . Epist. 43. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . Equidem de Galilaeis omnibus adeo clementer & humaniter statui , ut nemini vis inferatur , neque in templum trahatur , neque aliâ de re ullâ praeter voluntatem suam contumeliâ afficiatur . And again Julian Bostrenis Epist. 52. {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} ( scil. Christianorum ) {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . Sane neminem istorum trahi ad aras nostras in vitum patimur . And a little after speaking to the Citizens ( to whom he wrote ) not to fall out with one another , or do harme to the Christians by reason of their divers Religions , his words are these . {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} . Quippe oratione persuadere , docerique satius est homines , quam verberibus ac contumeliis , corporumque suppliciis : Ergo iterum ac saepius admoneo , qui in veram religionem voluntate suâ feruntur , ne quâ injuria Galilaeos afficiant , neve in eos impetum faciant , aut contumeliis vexent ; Etenim misericordia potius quam odio digni sunt , qui maximis in rebus calamitatem patiuntur , &c. ( b ) Scip. Ammirat . dissertat . politic . lib. 3. p. 92. sed com●…rtissimum est , postquam Constantinus Baptismatis lavacro re●…eneratus Christianos fovisset , Ecclesias exaedificâsset , persecutiones sustulisset , privilegia & immunitates Christianis largitus esset , nihilominus Gentilium templa ab eo minimè destructa ; imo permissum fuisse ut unusquisque arbitratu suo quam vellet religionem coleret , quod Eusebius clare docet lib. 2. c. 59. de . vit. Constant. adeo ut nullus dubitationi locus fit . See likewise Themistius his twelfe oration made to Jovini●…n the Emperour , all which oration was to commend him for his giving toleration , and to exhort him farther to it , where the Reader may abundantly satisfie himself with his arguments . ( c ) Quod Fides nec potest nec debet eogi . this Fr. Dom. Soto in quart sentent . distinct . 5. Artic. 10. p. 154. 155. hath proved by very many excellent arguments ; and answered all objections to the contrary . Certainly where there is not a liberty of dissenting allowed , there Paul doth not dispute in the schoole of Tyrannus , but Tyrannus in Paul's . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A61887e-1690 Let any one give a better reason and prove it . * This is asserted by Salmasius under the name of Walo Messalinus . * Vide Colloqu . Ratisponense .