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Inner Light. 2005-08 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-08 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-10 Elspeth Healey Sampled and proofread 2005-10 Elspeth Healey Text and markup reviewed and edited 2006-01 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion URIM AND THUMMIM : Or the Apostolical Doctrines OF LIGHT AND PERFECTION MAINTAINED ; Against the Opposite Plea of Samuel Grevill ( a Pretended Minister of the Gospel ) in his Ungospel-like Discourse against a Book , entituled , A Testimony of the Light Within , anciently writ by Alexander Parker . By W. P. This then is the Message which we have heard of him , and declare unto you , that God is LIGHT , and in him is no Darkness at all . If we say that we have Fellowship with him , and walk in Darkness , we Lye , and do not the Truth ; But if we WALK in the Light , AS HE IS in the Light , we have Fellowship one with another , and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from ALL Sin , 1 John 1. 5 , 6 , 7. Printed in the Year 1674. THE EPISTLE . Candid Reader , SInce it hath pleased the Everlasting God to visit a poor despised People in this Nation , with a more direct , immediate and clear Sight , Sence and Knowledge of him , then heretofore they had , by the Shinings of his Eternal Light and Spirit in their Hearts , thereby giving them a true Discerning of the Ways and Worships that have been in the World , which gender towards meer Outside and lifeless Formality , and of that Pure , Straight and Narrow Way , that stands in the Power of God , and holy Life of Righteousness , many , very many have been their Tryals , Exercises and deep Sufferings , and that of Slandering them and their most precious Faith , has not been the least in their Eye ; for by that Practice hath the Enemy of Christ's Kingdom cast such Mists and Vails over the Truth , as have obscured the divine Beauty and Excellency of it from the Sight of People , insomuch that some have dreaded nothing more then the Reception of that Principle , which bears true and faithful Witness for God in their own Consciences . It is cryed down for Insufficient by such as never tryed the Power and Efficacy of it , and termed a Natural and Dim Light , though It discovereth and instructeth Man in and about Spiritual and Supernatural Things . O that they would obey this Day of small things , and remember , that Obedience is far better then Sacrifice ; How much is there of the latter ? But how little , O how very little of the former ! What Degeneracy is there among all Professions ? Their Tenderness is withdrawing , their Greenness withering apace ; & with the former do they earnestly contend , as the Jews of old , against the very Power and Life of Godliness ; and see not that the God of the World has entered those Out-sides of Religion , wherein perhaps the Lord may formerly in Condescension have appeared , that he might lead them nearer to the Substance it self ; and for want of a true favoring Spirit in this Matter , Millions are deluded , yea , so far , as therein and therewith to oppose a more clear and heavenly Appearance of God to the Sons of Men ; thus do they resist the Visitations of God's Love to their Souls , and reject their own Mercies . Oh , that an inquiring tender Spirit were more generally raised in the Hearts of People , that they would consider our Relation to the latter dayes , & how much it concerns them in these New Covenant Times , to be in Covenant with God ; which it is utterly impossible those should ever be , who rebel against the Light by which he has visited them with daily Reproof and Instruction ; I have given him , said the Lord of his Son , for a Light to lighten the Gentiles , and for my Salvation to the Ends of the Earth . This is that true Light , which enlightens the Souls of all , as John testified ; and the Nations of them that are saved must walk therein . Come , let us walk in the Light of the Lord. This Measure of Light leads to God , who is Light ; and this Measure of Grace and Truth guides the Soul unto him , who is full of Grace and Truth , where Salvation is known , and plentious Redemption witnessed ; Blessings and Praises be to his Name forever . Reader , This Controversie , begun by S. Grevill , who calls himself a Minister of the Gospel near Banbury , though briefly handled , is of great Weight ; for it consists of two fundamental Doctrines of the Gospel , and indeed the very Bottom of our Testimony , viz. Christ's Manifestation of himself in the Hearts of his Children ; and the End of that Manifestation , namely , To make and End of Sin , destroy the Works of the Devil , finish Transgression , and bring in everlasting Righteousness , John 1. 3 , 5 , 8. Dan. 9. 24. These two Principles , or rather Christ Jesus within the Principle , and his Work , compleat Redemption , are lately opposed by S G● as laid down by Alexander Parker , in a Book by him set forth about Seventeen Years since . This is a sober Consideration , and I hope , a plain Enervation of his utmost Force , in Defence of those Evangelical New Covenant Doctrines . I recommend it to God's Witness in thy Conscience , who will judge Righteous Judgment ; whose Servant I am , in Body , Soul and Spirit , and whom dare not but confess and vindicate before men . W. P. A General Defence of the LIGHT WITHIN , by way of Introduction . THough there be no Passage or Proposition to be found from one End of holy Scripture to the other , more clearly laid down , then that in John 1. 9. That was the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World ; yet so strong hath been the Envy , and so subtil the Endeavours of the Prince of Darkness , as scarcely any one place hath been more wrested and abused , on purpose to hinder Mankind from minding the Manifestations of it , and yielding all ready Obedience to it , as the way appointed of God to Eternal Life and Salvation . Some will have it to be a Natural Light , though it be the very Life of that Word , which is God over all blessed forever , and wrapt up within those Verses , which only concern his Eternal Power and Godhhead . Others will have it read thus , Not , that he enlightens all Mankind , but that all who are enlightened are enlightened by him ; thereby , not only narrowing and wronging the Text , but rendring God so partial and injust to his Creatures , as to cause his Light of Righteousness to arise on some , without ever visiting the greatest part of Mankind with so much as a Day of Salvation ; though he sayes , He would not the Death of any , but rather that all should Repent , and come to the Knowledge of the Truth . There is a third sort that will needs have it understood not of any Illumination by a Divine Light or Spirit , but the Life Christ lived ▪ and the Doctrine he preached , when visibly in the World , which neither reacheth the hundredth part of Mankind , nor can be consistent with the Nature of that Part of John's History which wholely relates to his Divinity , or what he was before he took Flesh . 'T is true , Christ was the Light of the World in that very Appearance , and shined forth by his Heavenly Doctrine , and Self denying Life , a most holy Example ; yet not so , as the exclude himself from being that spiritual Light , which shineth in the Hearts of the Sons and Daughters of men . He was full of Grace and Truth ; yet of his Grace hath Mankind received , Grace for Grace , which is that Grace of God , that in all Ages hath appeared for Salvation ; whose Nature and Property is so plainly described , and the Salvation it brings , unfolded by the Apostle , 2 Tit. 11 , 12. viz. Teaching us , that denying Vngodliness and Worldly Lusts , we should live Godly , Righteously and Soberly in this present World. And so far is that Universal Light and Grace we testifie of , from leading us to undervalue Christ and the Scriptures , that we cannot but declare to all the World in pure Conscience towards God , and every moderate Enquirer , that we never had any true Knowledge of God or Christ , any right Sence , of the Work of Conversion upon our Souls , nor any right Sight or Relish of those Heavenly Truths declared in the Scriptures , till we came to know , and be obedient to the Manifestation of that true Light , which enlighteneth every man ; and the Appearance of that Grace which brings Salvation in our own Souls . They are standing Truths , That whatsoever may be known of God is manifested in man ; for God hath shew●d it unto him : That whatsoever is reproved is made manifest by the Light ; and that whatsoever doth make manifest is Light , Rom. 1. 19. Ephes . 5. 13. This cannot be Natural , unless of the Divine Nature , which reveals to men Divine Things . 'T is rare that we meet with any Adversary , who denieth it to reprove Evil , and to cherish that which is Good. And the Wise Man tells us , That the Reproof of Instruction is the Way of Life , Prov. 6. 23. If the Light reproves for that which is Evil , and that Reproof seals up Instruction to Life Everlasting , how dare any call it a Natural Light , common to , yea , a part of all men in their Natural Estate , especially when the Apostle Paul hath so long since declared That the Natural Man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God ; for they are Foolishness unto him ; neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned ? 1 Cor. 2. 14 Our very Case in Defence of the Light Within against the wise Master Builders of this Age. Nay , so far is Man in his natural Estate from being acted and guided by this very Light , which our Enemies call Natural , that Christ himself saith , He hateth the Light , neither cometh to the Light , lest his Deeds should be reproved : But , on the other Hand , He that doth Truth cometh to the Light , that his D●eds may be made manifest that they are wrought in God ; where it is evident , that the very Manifestation given , is Divine ; much more the Nature of that Light that gives it . Indeed , how is it possible for Man to know Christ , who is Light , without Light ? It was John's Message to preach , That God is Light. The same Apostle testifies , That the Blood of Cleansing is to be found of them that walk in the Light , ver . 7. If it be objected , That this is not that Light wherewith every Man is enlightned : The same Apostle in his History saith , That in the Word was Life , and the Life was the Light of Men , and that very Light was the true Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World , 1 Joh. 4. 9. Let such give me as plain a Text against either the Sufficiency or Universality of the Light , if they can . Its Properties and Effects prove it Divine ; in that 1st , If manifests God , Rom. 1. 19. 2dly , It manifests Evil , Ephes . 5. 13. 3dly , It is made the Rule of walking by the Apostle : See then that ye walk circumspectly , not as Fools , but as Wise , ver . 15. 4thly , It is made the Path to walk in , Joh. 8. 12. 1 Joh. 1. 7. Isa . 2. 5. Come , let us walk in the Light of the Lord : And the Nations of them that are saved shall walk in the Light of the Lord , Rev. 21. 23. And so saith the Scripture of the Spirit of God , 1st , In that it reproveth for Sin , Joh. 16. 8. 2dly , In that it giveth Vnderstanding of the Things of God , Job . 32. 8. 1 Cor 2. 10. 3dly , That it is a Rule for the Chi●dren of God to walk by , Rom. 8. 14. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God , they are the Sons of God. 4thly , We are also to walk in the Spirit , Gal. 5 16. This I say then , walk in the Spirit , and ye shall not fulfil the Lusts of the Flesh : I hope none will deny that this Light and this Spirit must be of one and the same Nature . But if any shall yet object , That this is to be understood of a spiritual Light , & that ours is but a natural one : I shall desire them to do two Things , 1st , To prove that a Natural Light doth manifest God , reprove for Evil , and cherish that which is Good ; since whatever is Part of Man in his Degeneration from God , is so far form giving one good Thought , that it cannot rightly reprove an evil one ; and it is granted by our Adver●aries , that what we call Divine , and they call Natural Light , can do both . 2dly , That in Case this Light be Natural , and can so manifest and reprove , that they would assign us some certain Medium or Way , whereby we may truly discern and distinguish between the Manifestations and Reproofs of the Natural Light from those of the Divine Light , since they allow the Manifestation of God & Reproof of Evil , as well to the one as to the other . And I challenge them all to give us one Scripture that distinguishes between a Natural and Spiritual Light within , reproving Evil , &c. They may with as much Reason talk of a Narural and Spiritual Darkness within : 'T is true , there is a Natural Darkness , to wit , the Night of the outward World ; and there is a Spiritual Darkness , viz. the misty and clouded Understandings of Men , through Disobedience to the Light and Spirit of God : Let them assign us a third , or rather a second Darkness of the Understanding in the things of God , if they can : Christ never distinguished between Darkness & Darkness , or Light and Light in any such Sense , nor did any of his Disciples I ever read of ; yet both have frequently spoken of Darkness and Light ; what Difference doth the Scripture put between spiritual Darkness and Darkness , mentioned in these Places , Luk. 1. 79. Math. 4. 16. Joh. 1. 5. Joh. 3. 19. Joh. 8. 12 , 35 , 46. 1 Thes . 5. 4. 1 Joh. 1 6. Act. 26. 18. Rom. 13. 12. 2 Cor. 6. 14. Ephes . 5. 8. Col. 1. 13. I find none ; It is all one spiritual Darkness : neither is there so much as one Scripture that affords us a Distinction between Light within and Light within , that really are Light : peruse Math. 4. 16. Luk. 2. 32. Chap. 16. 8. Joh. 1. 4 , 5 , 7 , 8 , 9. Chap. 3. 19 , 20 , 21. Chap. 8. 12. Act. 26. 18. Rom. 13. 12. 2 Cor. 4. 6. Chap. 6. 14. Eph●s . 5. 8 , 13. Col. 1. 12. 1. Thes . 5. 5. 1 Tim. 6. 16. 1 Pet. 2. 9. 1 Joh. 1. 5 , 7. Chap. 2. 8. Rev. 21. 23 , 24. Chap. 22. 5. And le● the greatest Enemy to our Assertion do his utmost to sever real Light from Light , or find out two Lights in these Passages if he can ; if he cannot , he is irrecoverably gone , and that upon his own Concession : For , as he yields to us , that the Light in Controversie manifesteth Evil and reproveth for it ; so doth Christ himself teach thus of the Light , Joh. 3. 12. For every one that doth Evil hateth the Light , neither cometh to the Light , lest his Deeds should be reproved : And the Apostle Paul plainly saith , Ephes . 5. 13. But all things that are reprove are made manifest by the Light ; Therefore not two distinct ▪ Lights in kind , but one and the same manifesting , reproving Light : And this the Apostle John proves beyond all Exception , to wise and considerate men ; First , in that he calls God Light , Chap. 1. 5. 2dly . In that he puts no medium or third thing between that Light and Darkness , vers ▪ 6. If we say that we have Fellowship with him , and wa●● in Darkness , we lye ; intimating , that men must walk either in Light or ●arkness . I am sure , that which manifests and reproves Darkness cannot be Darkness ; And so say our Adversaries of our Light. And as if the Apostle John would have anticipated their Objection , viz. 'T is true , your Light within reproves for Evil ; but it is not therefore the Divine Light , which leads into higher things , and which comes by the Gospel ; he thus expresseth himself , Chap. 2. Darkness is past , and the true Light now shineth . He that saith , He is in the Light , and hates his Brother , is in Darkness even until now , which is not another Light from God the Light , Chap. 1. For , as Light there is put in Opposition to Darkness , so Light here is put in Opposition to Darkness : The Darkne●s is one and the same , so the Light ; Wherefore we may plainly see , that it is not another Light then that which reproved a man for hating his Brother , that brings a man into Fellowship with God , and to the Blood of Cleansing , as the next verse speaks : Therefore that Light which reproveth a man for hating his Brother , is of a Divine Nature . In short ; That Light which is opposite to , and reproves spiritual Darkness , is a spiritual Light : But such a Light is that within , as our Adversaries themselves confess , therefore spiritual . It is worth our notice that the Apostle useth the same manner of Expression here , Chap. 2. 8. The TRUE Light shineth , that he doth in his History , Chap. 1. 9. That was the TRUE Light , intimating the same Divine Word or True Light now shineth ; and that it was that same True Light ( for there is but one ) that reproved such as hated their Brethren ; consequently that Light , that so reproveth , is the True Divine Light. And strange it is that Christ and his Disciples , but especially John , should so often make that very Light , which stoops to the lowest Step of Morality , to the Reproof of the grossest Evils , to be no other then the same Divine Light , that brings such as follow it to the Light of Life , and those who walk in it to the Blood of Cleansing , and to have Fellowship with God , &c. Nay , not only so , but make the very best of man's being a Child of God , to depend upon his answering of the Light in a palpable moral Case , viz. not hating of his Brother ; And yet that our Adversaries should shut their Eyes from beholding its Divinity , and conclude it therefore a meer Natural Light , This is both Unreasonable and Unscriptural . But here is the very Ground of their Ignorance and sleight Apprehension of the Light within , They have never known it further then in the Capacity of a Reprover of Evil ( though that 's enough with a considerate and tender-spirited man to feel from whence it came ) and so conclude it unable to give either further Discoveries of God's Will , or Power and Virtue to enable to do it . But to all such as object against the Sufficiency of the Light of Christ within , either as to its Knowledge or Power , I say , Try it ; you are not proper Judges in the Case , till you have walked in it : If then you meet not with the Blood of Cleansing , and pure Fellowship with God , who is Light , it will be time enough for you to object . Do not infer from the Discovery of small and great things , two distinct Lights , instead of two Manifestations of one and the same Light ; such as do the Will of God , so far as the Light in the Conscience enjoyns them , shall know more of the Doctrine it teacheth all the Children of Light. However , it hath pleased the man we have now to deal with , to undertake a Refutation of a Book , entituled , A Testimony of the Light Within , written about Seventeen Years since by Alexander Parker , a Servant of God in the Work of his Gospel : But I hope my Reader hath received that Satisfaction in what has been already ●inted in Defence of the Light of Christ within , that he is in a very good Posture to hear what may be objected against it , by one that never yet knew the Power and Efficacy of it . It is the Advantage God hath given us over our Enemies , They fight us Blindfold , and entangle themselves in their own Net : With Moderation , Plainness and Brevity I have considered his Opposition , in Faithfulness to God , his Truth , and the Souls of all People . URIM & THUMMIM : Or , the Apostolical Doctrines of Light and Perfection MAINTAINED ; Against the Opposite Plea of Samuel Grevill ( a Pretended Minister of the Gospel ) in his Ungospel-like Discourse against a Book , entituled , A Testimony of the Light Within , anciently writ by Alexander Parker . SAmuel Grevill in his Rejoynder to A. Parker , p. 5. brings two places against the Sufficiency of the Light within : The first is Deut. 31. 13. That their Children which have not known any thing may hear and learn to fear the Lord your God , as long as ye live in the Land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it . But this is answered without Difficulty ; for any thing is not in the Hebrew : And it appears both from the place it self , and Chap. 11. 2. that those many great and wonderful Works of Deliverance the Lord had wrought for them , and which their Children through Non-age knew not , were only intended ; And because the hearing of them might be a deep Engagement upon their Spirits to fear and worship the God of their Fathers ; therefore were they to hear of those Noble Acts at the Mouthes of their Parents , as the place speaks . How this Instance proves the Insufficiency of the Shinings of Christ's Light in the Conscience , with Respect to their Duty to God and Man in that Day , is left with every man of Sober Conscience to judge . The other is 2 Tim. 3. 15. The words , Through Faith in Christ Jesus , he omits . The Scriptures through Faith are able to make Wise , but not without Faith : This doth not prove that therefore Faith cannot make wise without the Scriptures ; for that was before the Scriptures were written , as in Abraham and others . To John 16. 2. They thought and apprehended , the Scripture commanded them to do God good Service , when they persecuted the Saints . Doth this set the Scriptures above the true Light , by which only we must rightly understand them ? Not that we would exclude the Scriptures of that Service the Lord has appointed them to , but to maintain the true Light against vain Cavils ; for God's Super-adding of Scripture , no more renders the Light Insufficient , then the Spirit , Grace , yea , God or Christ ; Man being abroad from the Spirit , and not abiding in the Light , the Lord went forth into outward Means to bring him home : Is God's Condescension to Man's Weakness a Proof of his Insufficiency ? The Scriptures came from the Light , and testifie of it , that the Nations of them that are saved must walk in it ; this was the End of the Evangelical Ministry . And as for taking true Light from the Scriptures , without true Light within , how absurd and impossible it is , is obvious to all . That Light , that gives to understand the right Meaning of the Scriptures , must be true Light ; else , how can it understand right ? And how can it be put in us by the Scriptures , when we must and do bring it with us to the Scriptures before we read them ? Doth the Bible send forth a Spirit to read it with ? or doth God send it from it ? or doth not he rather illuminate the Soul to understand it , as held all Ancient Fathers and Protestant Writers ? See what Testimony this man gives for his pretended Light without , against the Light within ; and after what rate he disproves it , to satisfie his Neighbour : He manifestly sets the Scripture and the Light within at Variance that Harmonize . But shall the Evil , Envy , Pride , Passion , Murder and Darkness then in the Jews , Discredit , Undervalue , or render Insufficient the blessed Light of the Lord , that at that time shined in them ( though their Blindness and Darkness comprehended it not ) Why may I not as well say , they had no Scriptures , or that they did all those infamous , hardned Acts against Christ , by the Scriptures ( since they thought so ) as that S. Grevill should infer the one or the other against the Light within ? Every man hath Light from the Creating Word , and that is Divine , because the very Life of that Word ; and by it , God , who is Light , is only truly known ; and while men hear , obey , and live in the Counsel of it , they walk in the Way of Truth and Path of Life , they feel the Light of Life , and experience the Blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse them from all Sins . To his Answer about Perfection , viz. That he pleads not for Sin , because he denyes perfect Freedom from it , since he pleads for Sin , that telleth men , they may sin . I say , If any hear an Advocate plead that such a man must break the Law as long as he lives , will it not be understood , that he pleads for a Toleration of him in the same Evils after he hath been pardoned ? But if any hear him plead , that the Law-makers say the same ( that is , the Teachers ) will they not conclude , that he makes them tolerate Injustice , that he blasphemes and slanders them , as the Word signifies ? yet this is S. G's Case in point of Indulgence of Sin. To his other Comparison , p. 6. viz. Who favours a Disease most , He that prescribes to his Patient to take Antidotes , or He that tells him , He has no Disease , nor needs to use any Means ? I answer , He weakens a man most , that perswades him , That his Disease is so rooted , that it is impossible for him to overcome it , yet prescribes Remedies , and puts the poor man to Cost . Nor doth Christ say , That all men must offend , and that as long as Heaven and Earth endures ; but that one Jot or Tittle from the Law shall not pass , till all be fulfilled : And he that breaks one of the least of these Commandments , and teacheth men so , shall be called Least in the Kingdom of Heaven , Mat 5. 19. And if the least be not to be broken , then all ought to be kept . Because A. P. saith , Where God is manifest within , he must needs be Light ; S. G. would make him to conclude , That God , Christ and the Spirit are the Light within us . It feems he dares not fasten his Consequences upon the Scriptures , but upon what A. P. alledgeth out of them : And doth not S. G. deny them by Consequence , as he denyes the King that denyes the King 's Writ , since they hold forth that very Doctrine . If to reject Scripture be Erroneous , S. G. cannot be sound , that makes that Consequence matter of Error , which he himself acknowledges to be Scriptural : Hear him . If A. P. intended not , that God and Christ are the Light within , to what Purpose did he alledge those Scriptures , which say , God is Light , and God is in us : Christ is Light , and Christ is in us ? Which Reader , If I understand any thing , is to allow ; that we have Scripture for our Assertion , and to give up the Cause as far as ever we contended for it , to wit , That God is Light , and Christ is Light , and as such , do shine or appear in the Hearts of Men , to give them the Knowledge of those things which concern their Eternal Peace . But S. G. sayes , If Christ were the Light within , the Prophet would not have said , They have no Light in them . That Christ is the true Light , John testifies , and that he was and is such a Light , as was to enlighten the Gentiles , the Prophet Isaiah tells us ; and that the Nations of them that were saved , were to walk in this Light , John the Divine in his Revelation assures us . Now , unless the Soul of Man be not to be lighted with this Light , or that it is not to be understood of the Soul , but Body only that was to walk in the Light of the Church ; it will follow , that this Light must needs shine where the Soul of Man is , which is within ; consequently , that Christ is that Light which shines within . Paul that took Counsel to persecute Christ without , was stroke at the Appearing and Shining of Christ within ; and when it pleased God to reveal his Son in him ( the true Light that enlightens all Mankind ) he consulted not with Flesh and Blood , which is their State that reject and vilifie his spiritual Appearance and Revelation of him in the Soul : But for all their vain Expectations and loud Boasts , in that State they shall never inherit the Kingdom of God ; that is God's Word of Truth . As to the Prophet's Words , they are not to be understood , as it those wicked Men had no Light from God ; but that they rebelling and blinding themselves against it , and following their own Imaginations for Truth , They had no Light in all their Wayes ; or as S. G. well sayes , Their conceited Light was Darkness ; They walked in Darkness , and so participated or partook not of the Benefit and Blessing of the Light ; but it shined in the Darkness uncomprehended : There was Light , but it was not risen upon him , or no Morning risen in him , as the Words may be rendred : Is there no Sun in the Firmament , because Men that are blind , or shut their Eyes , cannot , or will not see it ? Or , I ▪ a School-Master Unlearned or Insufficient , because any of his Lads play truant , and neglect his Reproof & Instruction ? Or , Is it reasonable for any of us to say , that such Schollars have no School-Master , because they are idle and regard not their Book , notwithstanding his daily Checks and Reprehensions of them ? Or , Can they be said to have no Lesson , because they neglect to get it ? In short , Christ is the great Priest , Prophet , King , Judge and Law-Giver under the new Covenant : He is the Shepherd that daily overlooks and feeds his Flock ; and such as know not him so revealed in them , to be the very Hope of their Glory , are in a reprobate Estate : And how he should be within , and not be Light , who is the true Light it self , from whom all they that have Divine Light , received it , will lye on S. G's Part to show . And so far are we from lessening the Scriptures hereby , That they are they which testifie of Christ to be the true Light that enlightens all : And with their holy Record have we great Unity , and our Souls bless God for them , and the Benefit we have received , and yet do , in reading of them , through the Revelation of his holy Spirit , without which they are but a sealed Book ; as well said learned Bishop Jewel against Harding , p. 532 , 534. In p. 7. he would set these as Contraries , Great Light & No Light , as without a Medium ; & so argues , Because Great Light was before deny●d to the Ephes . 2. 12. therefore they had no Light , and so make as if God had left himself without a Witness amongst them , which is a worse State then the Lycaonians , who had a sense of his Wi●dom , Power and Goodness from his visible Works , which outward Witness had been Insufficient , without an * inward Witness to joyn with it , and evidence it more ●●esly unto them . No better Success had the Preaching of the Gospel had among the Ephesians without it , which because their Light in time of their Ignorance of these things , which then in due Time God revealed unto them in a great Measure , did not teach ( it being too high for their State ) Therefore by his Consequence they had none , nor any before that Time. For the * Mystery was hid from Ages and Generations , that then was made manifest to his Saints ; for if they had , as he seems to reason , it would have taught them Baptism , Supper , &c. Nay further , as he argues , All the Opinions that the Episcopalians and Presbyterians hold , Common Prayer or Directory , whether you will : and not only to Thou and Thee Magistrates , as they did alwayes ; but to stir up People for them or against them , as serve their own Interest . It is true indeed , an Outward Literal Knowledge of these Things by the ●●elp of Literature , as Men now have them , the Jews and Gent●les had not ; for they were not written , as they are now , with Ink , but with the Spirit in the Heart , and they resisting that , could not know him * outwardly , because ( though they knew the Words and Sentences , yet ) they knew not the Voices and Senses of the Prophets , but looked for a Conquer●r like David ; as the Gentiles , like Jupiter , &c. And why may not Men now with their Light he speaks of , mistake the Scriptures of the New , as they then did of the Old Testament , as he saith , the Quakers may do with theirs ; unless he can prove , that his Light is the true one , because he sayes , it is Natural Reason , and the Quakers false , because they maintain it to be of the Divine Nature , Word , Reason or Wisdom , that was in the Beginning with God , and was and is God , as say several Fathers in our Defence , For Christ that lightens every one that comes into the World , is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the Word or Reason of God , who as Irenaeus saith , rationabiliter & se sibiliter Legem statuit , established the Law reasonably and sensibly . And Fe● Ardentius interprets 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , in Iren. Verbum , Sermo , Ratio , Word or Reason . And saith Irenaeus , pag. 326. Man being made reasonable , lost Reason , and living unreasonably , gave himself ov●r to the Earth●y Spirit , Psal . 48. 21. And Justin Martyr saith , that Christ was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , whole Reason , as his Interpreter Langius renders it ; and that which the Philosophers and Poets conformed to , was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , a Part or partaking of the Reason that was sown ; and he saith , The Seed of the Word or Reason is sown or ingrafted in all ki●d of Men , p. 46. And Origen his Author useth almost the same Words , The Law sown in the So●l by comm●● Notions , a●d the Word written in the Heart . And Justin in the place quoted , makes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , common Notion , and Word or Reason , and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , or Mind , synonimous , or of the same Signification , as Origen , and Irenaeus do ; Almost the very Words of some of the ancient Philosophers ; For Plotin calls it a Divine Principle , that makes the good Man , which sayes he , is the Root of the Soul. And Cleanthes , The Eternal Nature , sown and diffused through the Race of Man , and is the most sure and infallible Guide ; Hieron calls it a domestick God ; Seneca Diffused reason ; Epictetus , God within ; Plutarch , a living Rule , interiour Guide , and Everlasting Foundation of Virtue ; Philo , The Immortal Law , engraven on the Minds of Men , no lifeless Precepts written on Paper , &c. Nor do Modern Writers much , if at all , vary : David Paraeus , another of his Authors , saith , in Vrsin's Body of Christian Doctrine , augmented , corrected & consummated by him , Quest . 6. The Image of God contains all the Natural Notions of God , of his Will and Works , that is , perfect Wisdom in the Mind , perfect Righteousness and Holiness in the Heart , and all outward Actions . Perfect Wisdom is here said , saith he , not that which is ignorant of nothing ; but that which is competent to a created Nature sufficient to its Felicitys : So there is an Homonymy or double Signification of the Word Perfect . And in Quest . 92. he saith , We were created , redeemed and sanctified to this End , that we should KEEP THE LAW MORAL AND NATURAL , BEING THE SAME IN THIS LIFE AND THE ETERNAL , IT NOT BEING ABROGATED AS TO OBEDIENCE . Now these Men , a Irenaeus said of the Poets and Philosophers , Every one seeing that which was connatural , from Part of the divine-sown-Reason , spoke excellently ; and where right and consistent with themselves , they are ours ; so far Irenaeus . And the Reader may take these quoted , better from us , then S. G's . from him upon meer Trust . Some ancient Fathers & Protestant Writers expound the Word Nature as I do , sayes S. Grevil , if you will trust him : I say the like of my Exposition , and have already quoted them , and told him how far I credit them ; and therefore in page 8. he wrongs the Quakers ; for they would not cite them , if they gave no Credit to them , as he would have People to believe , as Paul would not have quoted the Greek Poet , if he had not believed that to be Truta that he said concerning God , That we are of his Off-spring ; which he brought to prove , that he is not far from every one , On which Place Grotius cites , for the Essential Presence of God , as he terms it , several Heathens , Jews & Christians , no fewer then Ten : I shall instance but in one . Minutus Felix , who ●yes , God is every where , not only very near us , but infused ; which because A. P. said not expresly , though S. G. charges him to say it by Consequence , he makes it A. P's Principle to shut him out of Men ( who charges it for an Error that he dwells in Men ) and all that is not by Generation , p. 8. And so not only many primitive and later Christian Doctors ; but also many others , that deny the rational Soul to be ex traduce or by Generation , but infused , to be as great Blasphemers , as he would make the Quakers . And if he can produce neither Scripture ( as I am sure he cannot ) nor ancient nor modern Writers , for his Gift of the Spirit that comes by Generation , He must be the Author of that new Doctrine : A Gift or Grace is not one's self , nor a Part of one's self , nor one's own originally ; but another's , freely conferr'd ; 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Graces or things freely given . He says , To do as we would be done to , is sown in our Natures ; then the Seed of the Law & the Prophets contain'd what more eminently appeared , and was extended in the Gospel , even to the Love of Enemies , with the Reason of it ; for if you love them that love you , &c. which the Gentiles had in them in Effect , though not in Letters . And D. Paraeus saith , In the State of Sin , a Man is not apt to do or think any Good of himself according to the Scriptures , Eph. 2. 9. and 2 Cor. 3. 5. &c. Then neither the Law , nor the Work of the Law ▪ was of themselves , else how they could condemn them that had the Law , and transgressed it . And the Scripture saith , That which may be known of God is manifest in Men ; for God hath shewed it to them ; and God hath shewed unto thee , O Man ! what is good , &c. Mic , 6. 8. which S. G. denies , calling it a special Presence , from what ground , he shews not , nor can he ; for the Manifestation is common and universal , the Words themselves prove it ; consequently , there is a common Presence ; and indeed a special Manifestation implies a Common . He eavils about the word Perfect , distinguished before out of Paraeus ; and tells of Darkness dwelling with Light , and Ignorance with Knowledge ; I know not for what , unless it be to confess to us , That his Knowledge is not without Ignorance : But it seems , he is affraid le●t his Kingdom of Darknes , Ignorance & Sin should be destroy'd ; therefore proceeds to write against a Freedom from Sin in this Life , and to oppose the Expositions of the Fathers & Protestant Doctors ( which it seems , are of less credit with him , then with the Quakers ) that hold , That the Doctrine in Christ's Sermon tends to a Righteousness beyond that of the Law , charging them , as if they meant , that Christ set up a Righteousness or a Law , above his own perfect , Everlasting , Spiritual Law , which some call Natural and Moral ; The same in Nature , saith Origen , entire , agreeing with the Eternal and Immoveable Rule of Righteousness in God , abiding the same from the Beginning to the End of the World ; and therefore were we redeemed and regenerated by the holy Ghost , that we should keep this Law in this , and the Life Eternal , that is , Love God and our Neighbour with all our Heart , not a new Doctrine , but the old , which was from the Beginning : Which Law Natural Noah and Abraham kept ( saith Tertullian ) and were justified by it . And further : In this Primordial and General Law of God given to Adam , were all the Precepts of the latter Law given forth in their Seasons ; for , what Wonder if he increase the Discipline who instituted it ? And God at a certain . Season exhibited a subsequent Law to the Gentiles ; and that which was promised again by the Prophets , reform●● to the better , that it should be kept . These are their words ; which shews what Law was meant ; namely , the Law of Moses , which was added because of Transgression , t●ll the Seed should come ; before which time many things were winked at , and su●ered because of the Hardness of their Hearts , that from the beginning were not so , which Christ brings to , that he might recover all that was lost , and so give Power by his Spirit to them that walk after it , that his Law may be fulfilled in them in the Everlasting Righteousness of it , the very End of his Coming , The Law being obscured by the Fall , much obliterated and lest , lest the Relicks in the Minds of men , might be thought to be an Opinion , GOD REPEATED IT , saith Vrsin ; which they that walked after the ●lesh could not keep , and the Knowledge of it , did only condemn them , and in that Manifestation and Capacity in might be said to be weak , and all those Rites & Sacrifices added , ever unable to purifie the Conscience : But they that Love him , keep his Commandments , and they are not grievous So that it was the Relicks of the Law Natural repeated in the Decalogue , that Christ ( as they say ) came to set up a Righteousness beyond ; and not only to repeat and confirm the Relicks , but restore the whole in due season , and bring on the Perfection , to be Merciful ( as saith Calvin himself ) and Love Enemies , beyond which , Remigius saith ( as S. G. cites ) there can be no Love ; and therefore having commanded this , Christ saith , Be ye Perfect ; this being the Perfection of Love. Perfect Love casts out Fear , and is the Fulfilling of the Law ; And he that loveth God , keepeth his Commandments . But S. G. p. 10. having taken away their Distinctions by his Distinctions of the Moral Law , comprehending all Ceremonies , &c. relating to the Old Testament and New ; Under the Name of Parker , he tacitely chargeth not only Remigius and Calvin , but also Chrysostom and many other Fathers and Doctors quoted , to be of the same mind with the Scribes and Pharisees in their narrow Interpretations of the Law in some particular Precepts of it ; for this he flings on A. P. for saying but the same things ; while indeed it is to be s●ared , that S. G. is one of those who rests satisfied with a partial and outward Observation of things , making void or at least de●lining the weightier Matters of the Law , since he suggests , that an Endeavour is enough without keeping them . But of the Difference of the Times and States under the Law and Gospel , in Manifestation and Power , he sayes nothing , whatever he knows ; for that would cross his Interest gro●nded on this Kingdom of Sin , in putting an entire ●nd to it : But how can he without Hypocrisie , say in the Lord's Prayer , Thy Kingdom come , Thy W●ll be done in Earth as it is in Heaven ; whilst he is so far from believing it , and promoting it , that he sets himself to oppose it , and dispute against it ? And how can the doing of God's Will in Earth as it 〈◊〉 Heaven , stand with Praying for Forgiveness of Sins all their Life long ? What doth this but over-turn the whole Condition of the Gospel ; Unless thou takest up my Cross , and follow me , thou canst not be my Di●iple ? He is not ( I perceive ) for being Baptized with the Baptis● Christ was baptized with ; nor for 〈◊〉 , of that bitter Cup he drank of ; He is rather for 〈◊〉 himself and others asleep in this pernicious Hope , That Christ 〈◊〉 taken up the C●●ss , been baptized , and drank that bitter Cup for them , and so they need not do it over again ; otherwise he would not dare hold and maintain such a Continuance of Imperfection , as he doth . He is not of the Apostle's Mind , that prayed for a Sanctification of the then Believers , not in part , but throughout , in Body , Soul and Spirit . God will bring down this Kingdom , and it shakes already . Pag. 11. As to his Reconciliation with God in his Continuation in Sin , they are inconsistent , considered in the same Degree : So that we may truly say , Whilst there is no Separation from Sin , there is no Reconciliation with God , but if there be separation from Sin in some measure , there is Reconciliation with God in some measure : As separated , so reconciled ; perfectly separated , perfectly reconciled . As we ●ee in natural things , so full of Air , so empty of all else . But he makes A. P. to say , till a Man be perfectly separate from Sin , he is altogether out of Reconciliation with God ; but proves it not , nor indeed is such Doctrine provable out of his Book . Whereas he sayes , God's Commandments do not show Man's Power : If he mean the Power that is given of God to Man , it is false ; for that were to make God unjust , and an Hard Master ; for , where ever God commands , it follows , that he hath given Power to do ; And where he is not obeyed , it is a Sign that that Power is withstood , lost or taken away , and man harde●ed through Disobedience . And without that Principle of Faith and Love , which only fulfills the Law , to think that a Man may be justified by a meer Performance of outward Observations , is as impossible and absurd , as if a man should think one should rather live by Virtue of outward Rayment or Apparel , then by Breath and substantial Nourishment . God gave such a Measure of his Spirit to the 〈◊〉 , tha● if they had loved and followed it , and not been stiff necked , they might have continued in the Obedience to all things that were written in the Book of the Law to do them , ( unless God commanded Impossibi●ties ) and in that Way that they were commanded them , to 〈◊〉 , to separate them from the 〈◊〉 ; And they , if they had been thankful , and glorified God by their Obedience to what they kne● of him , had not been given up to a Reprobate Sen●e ; and if they had followed the Goodne●s of God , leading to ●epentance from time to time , and had not had an impenitent Heart , they had received according to their Deeds , Glory , Honour and Peace : for if it be given to the good Gentile , then surely to the good Jew . And if the Jews in Christ's Day had not brought forth Wild Grapes , and been like their Fore-Fathers , that rebell'd against God's good Spirit ( under Pretence of magnifying the Scriptures , and contending for the Faith of their Fathers ) they had not been blinded like them , nor the Vineyard taken from them , nor theirs laid waste . As for Phil. 3. 12. Not as though I had already attained , or were already Perfect : It proves not that Paul was not clear from Sinning , but that he had not yet perfected or finished his Course , so as to have kept the Faith to the End , to be out of Danger to miss of the Reward , as he was afterwards , as appears plainly by the Comparison he useth , of a Course . He doth not say ( as this man would have him ) That some that were Perfect were otherwise minded ; But these that were Perfect had a perfect Understanding of those things that were in Difference among them , of which he speaks in that Chapter , about the Concifion , as he terms it diminutively , and Righteousness of the Law , and Preheminence sought by it , without the Righteousness of Christ , which they had perverted and sleighted , , being Dogs , making their B●lly their God , and minding Earthly Things , and glorying in their Shame , being Evil Workers , of whom he bid them beware . To his Sinning , through alwayes needing more Grace : He that is capable of receiving more , and refuseth & resisteth it , sinneth ; but to use his own Similitude , A Little One ( as Christ calls some of his ) that hath but a little Heart , yet if he give it all to God , he can do no more , he sinneth not , but fulfills the Law. The Hebrews were chid because they had not improved their time ; which if they had done , they had not sinned . Peter and the Rest of the Apostles were in that manner of Speech taught and instructed of the Power and Effica●y of Faith in its extent , which they should receive after they were indued with Power from on high , which they were commanded to wait for , that had they neglected , they had sinned ; and to expect it before the time ( as for a Child to aspire to the things of a man ) is the part of much Heat and Confidence , and is good to be discountenanced sometimes , though not alwayes to be disliked . Not to be at present , what they are exhorted to be for the future , to make that Transgression , is , to set Transgression in order of time before the Law ; whereas , where there is no Law there is no Transgression ; for Sin is the Transgression of the Law that is known : To him that knoweth to do Good , and doth it not , to him it is Sin ; but in the time of Ignorance God winkes . The Corinthians were exhorted to be in understanding perfect as the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies : To accuse them of Imperfection , and so of Sin , because then Children , and in their Minority , ( though born of God in John's sense ) were to accuse not only the Saints departed , but all the Angels of Sin , because they have not attained to that Measure of Wisdom that God is , upon his Principle ; for his Argument implies as if there were no End of needing of Grace . I wonder he has forgotten his School Distinction of a quo & ad quem ; for men may be perfect from Sin , and not perfectly grown up to the Wisdom and Knowledge of all the Weighty Mysteries of the Gospel . For his Notion of Sanctification and Purification , I say , Where the Conscience is not defiled , it is purified ; and men are sanctified or dedicated to God by the Truth , and the Belief and Obedience of it , and there is no sinning ; else , how Temples and Tabernacles for God to dwell and be worshipt in ? For the Place he brings that men must sin because they are men , he might better have given that Reason for the Devil 's sinning , because he is a Devil ; for sinning is not man's State , as man , though in joyning with the Devil he may Sin , as the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies , being potential ; and so Pagninus renders it by peccet ; but he makes use of a bad Translation , his Holy Ghost , as his words imply , to countenance his bad Conclusion , That because they may Sin , therefore they must sin . See more in D. Gell's Essay to the Translation of the Bible , p. 762 , 768 , 772. Because David , Psal . 19. thought it a hard Matter for him , or those in his Condition at that time , to understand their Errors from the Law of Moses , those Statutes and Precepts , &c. which through Neglect they might be ignorant of , and therefore there was a Sacrifice appointed for a Propitiation , and Prayers for Cleansing from them , v. 12. And because the Psalmist , Psal . 130. being in the Deep by reason of Iniquity , prayed for Forgiveness , vers . 3 , 4. And because the Apostle James saith , In many things we sin all , he concludes , that not only David , but the Apostles to in their best Condition , even to their Death , did sin ; and that James was a Curser to his Death , because he said , with the Tongue curse we men , taking Advantage of these Holy Men , to make them Offenders for their Words : But what good Man will believe him ? No wonder if he traduce the Quakers , and pervert their words , when he is one of them that David speaks of , that wrests his words , and imagines Evil of him . And for any thing we know ( for we cannot take his words without Quotation ) he may as much wrong or wrest those Passages out of Origen , Theophylact , Chrysostom , Ambrose , and the Protestant Writers , that he sayes he has read , about 〈…〉 , which is for Destruction it self ; In my Mind the De●il may more fitly be said to correct it : For if they that are Dead have ceas●d from Sin , then the Damned shall not blaspheme God , or else their Blasphemy is not Sin ; which Protestant Writers say not , nor the Fathers ever taught . But Grotius a famous Portestant Writer interprets it thus , , That as the Dead return not 〈◊〉 their former Life , so neither he that is truly Dead to Sin , 〈…〉 his former Life again . And Zegerus , another saith , 〈◊〉 is , being 〈…〉 from Sinning , so that he may not sin , unless he well . But this man would have it , as if Paul meant , that Bodily Death took away the Possibility of sinning , and Life the Possibility of not Sinning . However , he acknowledges , that by the Death of the Body of Sin is meant , the Separation of Sin from a man , and being freed from Sin , a●d ceasing from sinning ; yet sayes , that in Rom. 6. there is not a word to d●hort them not to suffer any Sin to be in them : But how can a man let Sin be in him , and he not sin ? For it is not a Sin to be tempted , but to enter into the Temptation : He that ceases from sinning , ceases from Sin ; and whensoever any yields to obey Sin , then he is the Servant of Sin : Can any man commit a Sin , but he is captivated under the Power of it ? And therefore in that Condition Paul cryed out , as a Distressed Captive , for Deliveran●● from the Body of Death , not from the Natural 〈◊〉 , for , before that was dissolved , he said , I have finished my Course , I have kept the Faith ; that is , He had endured to the End , and arrive● at Perfection . E●asmus saith , It was in the Person of 〈◊〉 , which the Apostle spoak in Rom. 7. And Gretius on the some place , will not have it Paul's Condition when he wrote the Epistle to the Rom●ns . It is to be noted , sayes he , that Paul speaks in the first Person , not that he deals concerning himself , but for Modesty's sake , he had rather so express odious things , which he calls to transfer in a Figure , 1 Cor. 4. 6. so in 1 Cor. 6. 12 , 15. chap. 10. 29 , 30. chap. 13. 2. Gal. 2. 18. Chrysostom ad 1 Cor. 12. sayes ; He takes heavy things on his own Person . Hieron ad Daniel , Because he is one of the People , he reckons their Sins in his own Person , which also we read , the Apostle did in the Epistle to the Romans . But this man interpreting it , the Death of the Body , instead of the Body of Death , first gives a Reason , why Sin must be destroyed by the Death of the Body , namely , because it entered by the Conjunction and Vnion of the Soul with the Body ; but that he proves not , and it were to disprove himself in pag. 8. For there he saith , The Light is Reason , wherewith God hath endued man's Soul , and is a Natural Gift , that comes by Generation : How then , say I , is it conjoyned and united to it , if it be generated with it ? for so 't is one with it . Are there two Generations , one of the Body , and another of the Soul ; one with Sin , and another without it ; and the latter united to the former , that it may receive Sin , and say , A Body hast thou prepared me , O God , to do not thy Will on Earth , as it is in Heaven , but the Will of the Devil , that at my first Entrance into it , and during my Continuance in it , I may alwayes do thy Enemy some Service , who must have a place allowed him in it as long as it lives ? Is not this blasphemous and contrary to the Scripture , which sayes , He that defiles the Temple of God , him will God destroy . I would fain know of S. G. how the Man of Sin got entrance to defile this Temple , if it was not through the Mind , by entring that with his Temptation , of becoming as God , knowing Good and Evil , which was sometime after that God had breathed into Man the Breath of Life . If he sayes , it was , as inevitably he must , then will it follow , that sin came not by Conjunction of Soul and Body , as he teaches , but after that Conjunction ; and so his Reason for Death's destroying of Sin , which implies , the necessity of sinning til men dye , is quite overturned . Besides , how can a House of Clay , a lifeless Lump of Earth , be capable of Pollution any wayes , but by him or them , that inhabit or enter it , as becoming his or their Organ , Instrument or Habitation ? Again ; S. G. to prove that Death destroyes Sin , brings Rom. 7. 24 as in the common Translation , This Body of Death ; whereas the Greek has it 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , who shall deliver me from the Body of this Death , which considered with the Context , shews it to be metaphorically and spiritually intended , which agrees with Ambrose's Interpretation , produced by Zegerus on that place , and which he approves ( viz. ) all Sins . J. Capellus sayes , It is the Mass of Sin , not the Mass of the visible Body . And Drusius sayes some do understand it turbam malorum , a Multitude of Evils . And as for Chrys●stom , The●doret and all those Protestant Writers he has read ( who knows who or where ) you may either believe him upon trust , or read all their Books , till you find his Interpretation ; for particular Citation he affordeth us not . But he asks , how A. P. will prove that the Body of Sin is the same with the Law of Sin ? a thing easily done after his way of proving things ; for Grotius saith , That the Law of the Members is the strong Affections of the Flesh , and the Law of Sin the Vehe●nency of Affections arising from the Flesh , and the Body of Sin , ch . 6. 6. A Conjunction of many Members , that is , Vices , Col. 3. 5. And indeed , the Scripture mentioned shews that one and the same thing is intended : And it is but reasonable for any to believe , that the Body of Sin gives Law to them that are under the Power of it . But S. G. from Gal. 5. 17. where 't is translated , The Spirit lusteth against the Flesh , so that ye cannot do the thing ye wo●ld , seems thus to infer , that therefore men must of Necessity fulfil the Lusts of the Flesh , and cannot do otherwise : Whereas it should be translated , so that ye may not do the things that ye would ; which is thus interpreted by D. G●ll , That the Spirit hinders them that they may not do the W●ll of the Flesh . But sayes S. G. Paul saith not , Rom. 6. 14. No Sin shall be in you , but Sin shall not have Dominion over you . I answer , Nor doth he say , that Sin should be in them , and serve them : Where men sin , Sin hath Dominion . But tell me , S. G. Is not the strong Man to be cast forth , Sin taken away , and the Devil's Works destroyed ? Again , saith S. G. Flesh is the Root of Evil Affections and Lusts . But if that Doctrine be true , say I , then God in giving men Bodies of Flesh is the Author of the Root of evil Affections and Lusts ; consequently the Life of them is not a Blessing , but a Curse . Further , S. G. tells us , That the legal keeping of God's Commandments , is an universal and perpetual keeping of them ; but the Evangelical is not so , but an Aim and Endeavour : Which if I understand any thing , is to make God in these New Covenant Times , to indulge in man a slacking of Obedience to his Righteous Law. At this rate Christ came not that we should fulfil the Law , but only that we should endeavour it : Strange Gospel ▪ Are men under a less Obligation to Holiness , now they have more plentiful Assistences to compass it ? Is this the Way to finish Sin , restore Man's Nature , and cloath it with Everlasting Righteousness ? which is so far from deterring man from not observing God's Law inviolably , that the teaches , that an Endeavour to keep it without exactly keeping ●t , is the Priviledge and Obedience of the Gospel . Whether this man writes like a Gospel-Minister , or Servant of the God of this World , let the Conscientious Reader judge . But he was not alwayes of this Mind ; for in pag. 10. he seems to plead for the highest and most exact Obedience , not only to the Law , as understood by the Jews in point of moral Righteousness , but as Christ wound it up to a higher Degree of Righteousness . But let us hear what Bp. Sanderson saith , in this Matter , a Man venerable I suppose , in S. G.'s Account . The Precepts of Christ in the new Law , as the holy Fathers of the Church every where witness , are much more excellent as to some Things , then the Precepts of Moses in the old Law ; not only in respect that they are propounded more fully , clearly and plainly ; but also , inasmuch as they rise higher , and call up Christians to a more eminent Degree of Perfection , and that with more efficatious Allurements ; namely on the one Hand propounding the Example of Christ past ; and on the other , the most ample Reward of the Kingdom of Heaven for the future ▪ As in those two great Duties of Christian Life mostly appears , of loving Enemies , and taking up the Cross , commanded in the new Law. And they are Commands univer●ally obligatory ; to the Ob●ervation whereof , all that profess the Faith and Name of Christ , are bound under Crime of most grievous Sin ( namely , of denying Christ ) & Penalty of Eternal Damnation , unless they repent . And he himself brings in P. Andrews thus , That a Man moved by God's Spirit , out of Love to God , may be said to fulfil the Law. So that here are two Bishops advancing Evangelica Obedience above that of the Law , in point of Strictness and Purity , against t● is Man's libertine Undervaluue , and dangerous Dimin●●●n of it . But this Adversary thinks he sayes a great deal against us ▪ in telling People , That it is an Error to think , that any can be s●ved partly by their own Righteousness . And alas ! whoever said it was not , that is rightly called a Quaker ? We know better ; and that it is by Grace we are saved ; yet so , as that we must be thereby taught to deny Vngodliness and Worldly Lasts , and to live soberly , righteously and godly in this present World , which is not our own Righteousness , but the Righteousness of God's Grace , that is all sufficient for so great Salvation : And another Sort of Salvation , then that which comes by and in the Way of this Grace , is a Satanical Deluusion , suited to the corrupt Minds of Men , that would be saved from Wrath , the Wages , but be indulged in Sin , the Work. However , 't is plain by the Verses foregoing , That the Law there spoken of , is the ceremonial Law , which not only they , but other Churches in those times had and made some Scruple of relinquishing , as may appear in his Epistles all along , wherein he dehorts them from any such Observation , which they enclined to , even upon an Opinion of Necessity ; And which the said Bp. S. from Gal. 5. 2. observes , not only to be d●ad , but d●adly , after Augustin's Distinction . But that Christians are held to the Law moral , not as given by Moses ; but as declarative of the Law Natural , which before he had called Divine ; He , the said Bp. Sand. doth with others agree , which as Bp. Andrews well sayes , must be fulfilled with the Motion and Power of the Spirit of Christ , who was sent , that the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us , by walking after the Spirit , whereas , the Flesh is weak , or a Man in his fleshly State being weakned , cannot perform . Bp. Sanderson saith further , The new Law , that is the Gospel , binds all to whom it is preached to the Obedience , both of Faith and Life : To believe in Christ as a Redeemer , and ebey him as Law-Giver , both which , unless they do , for their Duty neglected they shall suffer Everlasting Punishment . S. Grevil expounds 1 Joh. 3. 9. Whosoever is born of God , he cannot sin , that is , He cannot make a Trade of it , from J. Leigh . Answ . H. Grotius , a Man , worthily of greater Authority , calls that a pernicious Exposition , whereby , sayes he , they infer , that a Study & Endeavour to live well suffices for one to be accounted a Son of God , although the Things be not fulfilled , the Custom of Sin prevailing ; and he brings Tertullian in his Book , De Pud●citia , saying thus of Sin & Sinners , He that is born of God , will not at all commit these , & shall not be a Son of God if he shall commit them : So a good Tree cannot bring forth evil Fruit ; but it may become barren , rotten , vitious , & after it is so degenerated , it may be cut down ; also an evil Tree may become good , & then consequently no more an evil Tree . And likewise Chrysostom on Rom. 8. hath the same Comparison . And Jerom Didymus's Disciple , l. 1. adv . Pel. saith , He that is born of God sins not as long as the Seed of God abides in him , viz. lively . And on Math. 7. A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit , as long as it perseveres in the Study of Goodness . But , S. Grevil saith , He hopes Parker will not say , God gives his People the Enjoyment of Heaven in this Life . I answer , Bish . Hall saith it , and entituleth his Book , Heaven upon Earth , acknowledging the same in Nature , though not in Degree : How ignorant is this Man of Scripture , or forgetful ? Doth not Paul in the Epistle to the Hebrews ( supposing he wrot it ) speak of some that may have tasted of th● Powers of the World to come , and may fall from that Taste ? But what means he by his alwayes needing more & more Grace ? If a Man be filled , he needs no more . And a Man needs no more in this State , then what he is capable of in this State. And for his part , it seems he needs no more ; for he hath more then he useth , though there is great need he should make more use of what he has ▪ S. Grevil scoffingly comparing the Quakers Speakers with Paul , sayes , If they could give that which they think is the Spirit , they would make more Quakers ; as much as to say , if Paul could have given the Spirit , more of his Hearers should have had the Spirit ; and consequently , he was not a Minister of the Spirit in that Sense ; as if it had been Paul's Fault : But was not the holy Ghost given by Paul's Hands ? Acts 19. When he had laid his Hands upon them , the holy Ghost came upon them , & they speak with Tongues & prophesied , What Gift was that Timothy receiv'd by the laving on of his Hands , called , the Gift of God ? It plainly appears , that God by the Ministry of Paul did give the Spirit to several ; & was he not at that time a Minister of the Spirit ? Was not he that ministred the Spirit to the Galatians , a Minister of the Spirit himself ? It must follow undeniably : many Thousands were by his Ministry turn'd from Darkness to Light & from the Power of Satan to the Power of God , to walk in the Spir●t with God. And for all S. G's unworthy Taunts ; whether those that are now called forth , as they were , not by Men , nor of Men , to wit , the Quakers Speakers , as he is pleased to call them ; or those that are made , called and upheld by Men , to minister the Letter , Writings or Declaration of the Gospel , after their own Imaginations , as S. Grevil and his Fraternity ( not unlike the false Prophets of old time ) which he calls , but falsely , the Doctrine whereby the Spirit is conveyed ) do awaken more Consciences , and turn more to walk in the Spirit , to bring forth the holy Fruits of the Spirit : Let the Fruits that are brought forth in the World under both their Ministries , speak . To prove that the Scripture or Writing is the Gospel ; He saith , The Scripture preached the Gospel to Abraham ; therein producing a Place against himself ; for it plainly proves the Scripture is not the Gospel , since the Gospel was preached to Abraham by God , before it was recorded or wratten by Moses : That we chuse to call the Gospel , which the Scripture declares of , that is , The Good Will of God to Men , by his Mercy , Power and Goodness manifested to them ; and that may be resisted , as well in an inward Manifestation , as outward Declaration ; for Stephen said to the Jews , You have alwayes resisted the Holy Ghost , as your Fathers did , &c. Jonas also disobeyed the immediate Call of God. And whereas he saith , John Baptist preached the Gospel : That is also clearly against himself ; for that was before the four Books , which he maintains to be the Gospel , were written . The Gospel is called a Mystery , hid from Ages and Generations , and is still hid from all the Rebellious and Disobedient , who walk not after the Spirit , but their own Lusts : But so are not those four Books , so call'd ; neither are they the glorious Gospel , but that which they declare of . None of those Fathers he speaks of , I dare say , if he quoted the Places , would be found to countenance his Definition ; for he confesses , they say , It forgives and justifies , which the four Books do not ; they only declare such Things to Believers . If Mathew and John , and Paul and Peter were not the Gospel , because they were Powerful Instruments to declare it ; no more are their Books & Writings : They were not the glad Tidings , but the Bringers and Publishers of it ; their Books are no more , if so much , not being viva voce , as they say ; the like Power not usually accompanying the meer or dead Letter , as the living Voice . Where did ever any hear or read , that the Reading of Peter's Sermon converted 3000. at one time ? Ignatius saith , The Gospel is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the Perfection of Incorruption ; Paper and Ink are not so . And saith Origen , John calleth the Gospel Everlasting , which may be properly call●d Spiritual , that the Books are not , though they hold out Spiritual Things . Clemens Alexandrinus saith , The Angel , Exod. 32. held forth the Evangelical & leading Power of the Word : That Evangelical Power was not then of the Books , but of the Word , which was and is God blessed forever . Chrysostom plainly saith , they are not the Gospel . R. Allen on the Gospel saith , It is a Divine Message from God himself , that teacheth and assureth , &c. How can it be Divine & work Assurance , if it be not a Spiritual and inward Work which the Books are not , nor of themselves can work . Peter Martyr saith , It is such a Doctrine as effereth Christ unto us , and his Spirit and Grace , whereby is ministred Strength unto us to perform those things that are command●d , which the Books of themselves still cannot do , though they declare of that which can : Not that we would lessen them , as our ungodly Wresting Adversaries say ; or that we would take off People from reading them ; but if they of themselves could do , or had that Power which belongs to the everlasting Gospel , how comes it that so many Studiers of them receive no clearer Knowledge and living Sence of God , Christ , the holy Spirit , Scriptures , & c ? We do teach , That to read them with a good Understanding , Men must come to that which g●ves it , which is the Inspiration of the Almighty , Job 32. 8. But it is worth our while to consider what Work he makes of A. P's saying , That the Gospel is the Power of God to Salvation ; an absolute plain Scripture , as any in the Bible . A. P. d●th not deny that the Gospel was before all Time , consequently that it is the Essence of God , and he is a Disciple of the Heretick Swingfield . Did ever Man pretending to Sense or Seriousness , make such wild , forreign and lame Conclusions ? These are , it seems , to serve for Bugbears , to scare the People : He might have as well said , The Quakers believe the Life Everlasting , and conclude , Therefore they make it the Essence of God ; which as reasonably proclaims the Church of England a Company of Hereticks ; nay , all the World that believe that Article , as he can brand A. P. for one , because he said , The Gospel is the Power of G●d , and Everlasting , which the Scripture calls it . In these things he truly partakes with the F●lse Brethren he speaks of , mentioned Act. 15. 24. who did not only teach and establish against the abolishing Power of the Gospel , transient Observations , but their own vain Trad●tions for Doctrines , glorying in them , as did the Jews , crying , The Temple , The Ord●nances , while they neglect the weightier Things , and make void the Commandment of God and Christ , the Old Commandment and the New Commandment , the same that was from the beginning , the First and the Last , even that which ●ndures forever . Methinks these Hireling Ministers are like some Mercenary Souldiers , or Souldiers of Fortune , as they are called , that cannot bear to think of the Enemy's being totally routed , lest their War end , and their Pay with it : Such Persons , instead of pursuing the Enemy , turn about against their valiant and faithful Followers , that cry , They run , They run , we shall utterly rout and subvert them : No! rather then highten and pursue that Resolution , they will basely betray the Cause , & its most sincere Abettors , into the Arms of the publick Enemy : They make no Scruple of doing this Evil , not that Good , but Gain may come of it : They had rather the Devil were unsubdued , then they disbanded , that his being unconquered might be a Pretence for keeping such Mercenaries alwayes on foot ; who are therefore the greatest Enemies of Christ's Kingdom in the Hearts of his Children . These are they that will flee , because they are Hirelings , and care not for the Flock , John 10. And it so falls out , that now we have not only the old Adversaries , but these also betwixt them and us , who instead of going on against them , first turn themselves manifestly against us , and endeavour what they can to obstruct our March : But the Lord God Jehovah is sufficient , our Pillar of Cloud by Day , and Fire by Night ; he goes before us ; Power and Might and Majesty are with him , whose Holy Pure and Clear Voice we have certainly heard , and in whose Blessed Appearance we have firmly believed ; and it is so well with us , who retain our first Love to him and his pretious Truth in the inward parts , that we can sing for Joy , though in a weary Land , and in the midst of many Distresses . And this we know assuredly , That he will shake terribly the Nations , and bring Amazement upon the People ; Their Consciences will he suddainly awaken , and with terrible Judgment will he plead with all the Proud Professing , as well as Prophane Flesh in this Land ; it shall wither as the Grass , and the Beauty of it fade as the Flower of the Field : And in that Day shall Obedience to , and Communion with the Light of Christ within , be honourable and desirable in the sight of Thousands ; and the Truth shall have the Victory , and the Dominion shall not be any longer the Devil 's , but the Saints of the Most High , over Hell , Death and the Grave ; the Ancient of Dayes will bring it to pass : Then shall Babylon fall , and her Merchants howl ; for the great Judgment will surprize them , as Travil a Woman with Child , and the Lord God will reckon with them for the Souls of his People . O fear before the Lord , ye Priests ! and turn you unto him all ye Children of Men. W. P. Pag. 3. l. 27. f. former r. Form. Pag. 4. l. 36. r whom I dare . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A54245-e110 1 Joh 9. Isa . 2. Notes for div A54245-e390 Joh. 3. 21. Notes for div A54245-e1460 Pag. 5. Pag. 7. Acts 14. 15 , 17. * Paul teaches , that whatever is reproved , is made manifest by the Light , Ephes . 5. 13. And whatever may be known of God , is manifested in Man , Rom. 1. 19. And that which manifests is Light , as saith the same Apostle , Ephes . 5. 13. And he desired to be made manifest to the Conscience . Then there was Light ; for Men were reproved , Rom 2 15. and they could not be r●prov'd without it , Ephes . 5. 13. Col. 1. 26. Eph. 2. 7. & 3. 5. * Was not that Mystery the great Work of Redemption ? And were not Thousands redeemed before ? If it was hid , it was to such as had lost it by Rebellion . It was the same Light , not the same Degree that ever saved . So Tryphon ask'd Just . Martyr , as I remember , why Christ came nosooner ? * This proves not they had no Light ; at most , it only sh●ws to us , that it did not shine so clearly forth , which stil● implies , that it was the same in Nature . How could those in Iob rebell again ▪ the Light , if they had it not ? Codurcus , ●usius , Clarius , Vatablus and others , are not of his Mind ; for it is an invincible Truth , that such as rebelled against the Light , as Iob 24. 13. and God's good Spirit , as Nehem. 9. 20. 26. ( notwithstanding their Formality and external Preciseness ) could not receive Christ Jesus ; but crucified him when he came . John 1 9. Prov. 8. 4. 31. Iren. l. 5. c. 18. Justin Martyr Apo● . pro Christianis , p. 51. Orig. Commenon Rom. 2. 14. pag. 428. Stan. Vit. Philos . Ursin & Paraus Quest . 6. Quest . 92. Acts 17. 27. Grot. on that Place . Pag. 1. Pag. 3. Luke 6. 31 , 32. Rom. 2. 14 , 15. David Paraeus in his Epitome of Arminian Artic. 3. Rom. 1. 19. ●very Grace or Gift of God is perfect , Jam. ● , 17 , Psal . 19. 7. 9 ▪ Rom. 7. 14. Ursin . Qu. 92. and Para●us . Orig. Com. ad Rom. p. 428. 1 Joh. 2. 7. Tertul. advers : Judaeos , §. 2. & de Coron . §. 6. See Chryso●● 1 To. Hom. 17. Oecumen . on Jam. 5. 12. Basil on Psa . 14. Hil. on Mat. can . 4. Gal. 3. 10. Vers . 19. vers . 24 , &c. Origen . ut supra . Rom. 8. 1 , 2 , 3 , &c. Mat. 18. 1. Acts 3. 21. 1 Jo. 3. 5 , 8. Titus 2. 14. in loc . citat . Bp. Sanderson de Cons . regul . prelect . 4. §. 31. Hebr. 9. 9. 1 John 5. 3. Calvin . Remigius . 1 Joh. 4. 18. John 14. 15. Rom. 13. 10. pag. 10. pag. 11. Gal. 3. 12 Neh. 9. 10. Rom. 1. 21. Rom. 2. 5. Isa . 5. 3 , 4. & 6. 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 Joh. 12. 31 , 42. Mark. 12. 9 , 10. Phil. 3. 12. 2 Tim. 4. 6 , 7. Vers . 2. Vers . 9. See Zegerus and Grotius , & Erasmus on the place . Pag. 12. Hebr. 5. Mat. 14. 31. See Grotius on the place . John 7. 31. 1 Cor. 14. 20. Ignatius , Epist , to the Ephesians . saith , He that possesseth the Word of Jesus , can truly hear also his SILENCE , that he may be PERFECT , p. 26. 1 Kings 8. 46. Eccl. 7. 20. pag. 13. Grotius on the place . 1 Pet. 4. 1. Zegerus on the place . Rom. 6. 18 2 Tim. 4. 7. Erasmus and Grotius on Rom. 7. pag. 8. 1 Cor. 3. 17. Zegerus on Rom 7. 24. I. Capellus and Drusius on Rom. 7. 24. Grotius on Rom. 7. 23 , 24. Ibid. on Rom. 6. 6. See D. Gell's Essay , serm . 19. p. 775. pag. 15. Mat. 12. 26 , 27 , 28 , 29. Luke 11. 1 Joh. 3. 5 , 6. B. R. Sand de consc . reg . Prel 4. Sect. 34. ●is Oxf. le●● . Tit. 2. 11 , 12. 2 Cor. 12. 9. Ibid. §. 29. §. 31. Rom. 8. 3. B. San. ibid. §. 32. Joh. 15. 22. Grotius on 1 Joh. 19. A direct Knock to S. G Mat. 7. 18. Heb. 6. 5. 2 Tim. 1. 6. Gal. 3. 5. Acts 7. Ephes . 6. 19. Chap. 3. 3 , 16. Col. 1. 26. 1 Tim. 1. 11. Epist . ad Philadel . p. 44. Orig. Comment . n● Joh. pag. 9. Clem. Alex. Pedagog . l. 1. p. 111. R. Allen on the Gos . p. 1. P. Martyr Comm● Places . p. 3. c. 2. Mat. 23 23 , Luke 11 ▪ 4. 1 Joh. 2. 7 , 8. Psal m 19. 9. 1 Cor. 13. 8.