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A54213) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 60240) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 645:10) The skirmisher defeated and truth defended being an answer to a pamphlet, entituled, A skirmish made upon Quakerism / by William Penn. Penn, William, 1644-1718. [2], 41 p. s.n.], [London : 1676. A reply to: A Skirmish made upon Quakerism / [by John Cheyney]. London, 1676. Reproduction of original in Bodleian Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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Who is a Wise Man , and endued with Knowledge amongst you ? let him shew out of a good Conversation his Works with Meekness of Wisdom : But if ye have bitter Envying and Strife in your Hearts , glory not , and Lye not against the Truth : For , where Envying and Strife is , there is Confusion , and every Evil Work. Printed in the Year , 1676. THE Skirmisher Defeated AND Truth Defended ▪ Being an Answer to a Pamphlet , intituled , A Skirmish made upon Quakerism . OF all the Evils that attend Controversie about Religion , there is none more odious and provoking then that of Mistating Principles , and giving That under mens Names to the World for their Doctrine and Judgment which they abhor to believe , much more to assert and divulge to others . And this I hope I may without Offence add , That to be Misrepresented hath mostly been the Lot of Truth in all Ages , and her peculiar Difficulty and Suffering from the World : For , no sooner has Almighty God blest Mankind with further Discoveries of his heavenly Will and divine Helps to perform it , then some or other , and those not a few , have i●mediately opposed themselves to that Work , and the Lovers and Abetters of it ; nor have those Adversaries been of the Rabble , Men of no Letters , Education or Pretence to Religion , by no means ; much the contrary , the Learned Crew , the Clergy , that great Corporation of Religion ; it hath been generally such , the Chemarims , men of the Black Robe , that from a Pretence to greater Knowledge then others , an Education in the Studies of Divinity , a peculiar Warrant and Mission , with the Countenance of Worldly Authority , have used their Skill and employed their Abilities to traduce Truth , and stigmatize her Followers , exposing both to the Fury or Mockery of the World : tell me when this fell out otherwise , and allow me Scripture Story but to be true and sacred . I pretend not now to write an History , no not to epitomise that which is already writ , nor need I , for the Case is evident ; but because Examples are so ready , I will instance in him that said , I am the Way , the Truth and the Life : One while the Scribes and Pharisees took hold of his Nonconformity to their Customs , and then he was a Despiser of Moses , a Breaker of the Law , one that made void the Traditions of the Fathers : Another while , he was a Mean Fellow , but a Carpenter's Son ; and what Man of Quality would follow him ? or who would make a Messiah of a Mechanick ? or a Saviour of so servil an Off-spring ? But when this would not do , then he was a Samaritan , and had a Devil , and cast out Devils by Beelzebub the Prince of Devils ; thereby rendring his Person hateful to the Jews , that refus'd all Commerce with the Samaritans , and his Wonderful Works suspected of a Diabolical Power , lest the People should believe in him : But this Trick failing , and the People believing , lest any of Note should be taken with him , they ●ling out , that he was a very Idiot , one that knew not Letters ; and that none followed him but those that are cursed , and know not the Law , the Rabble , the Vulgar and Illiterate People : But when this Stratagem succeeded not to lessen his Reputation , and question his Pretences , they bruted up and down , that for all his pretended Perfection , he was a Loose Person , a Wine-bibber , a Companion of Publicans and Sinners , not fit to be the Leader of a Strict Sect , nor qualified for so Glorious a Work as that of the Messiah's . God still blasting their Designs , and the People flocking after him , admiring his Doctrine , his Authority , his Wisdom and his Miracles , the Jewish Council of Doctors and Rabbies roundly accuse him of Blasphemy , and have the Confidence and Cruelty to seek his Life ▪ telling Pilate , that They have a Law , and by their Law he ought to Dye ; but Pilate scrupling the Matter , and finding their Proofs short , faints in their Business , which they perceiving , with one loud Cry , as if it were a Dare to Pilate to deny them their Murderous Ends , tell him , He is an Enemy to Caesar , hoping though Pilate would not concern himself with their Laws and Customs , yet that being Caesar's Deputy and Officer , he would not suffer any man to live that was a declared Enemy to Caesar's Government ; and they had their End. Nor did his Disciples fair better , who were accounted Enemies to the Law & Scriptures , Seducers , Deceivers of the People , Pestilent Fellows , Sowers of Sedition , Turners of the World upside down , &c. But who were they that made this lamentable Opposition ? were they litterally Heathens , or professedly Infidels ? no such matter ; for that might have in some sense extenuated the Crime , at least have spoyl'd our Parallel ; but they were the Off●spring of Abraham , , Great Scripturians , to whom pertain'd the Covenants , Promises , Adoption , and if we will take their word for it , Children of God , in Bondage to none ; though it s not to be doubted but that they were by Nature Heathens , and for all their great Profession Infidels in spirit , and great Slaves to Sin , and Children of the Evil One all this while . Now , this has been our Case , who are in Reproach called Quakers . In the first Place , we must honestly and plainly confess before almighty God and all Men , that we have been of the common Mass of Mankind , and had our Conversation in the times past , in the Vanities , Pleasures , Sports and Lusts of this World , living in some respect without God and Christ in the World ( though under a Profession both of God and Christ , as the most Part of Christendom ( so called ) do at this Day ; ) and in this dead Estate to the living Sense and Enjoyment of God and Christ in our Souls , the Lord visited us , and by his own convincing and reproving Light , Power and Spirit hath he awakned us , and brought us to behold him , whom we under all our Profession , of Religion , had more or less grieved and pierced with our vain Thoughts , Idle Words , and unholy Actions , and to Sorrow with true godly Sorrow , and be in unfeigned Bitterness , as for our first born or our only Child , the Lord thus redeeming us through his holy Rebukes and Judgments from an evil Conversation , and converting us to himself by his own Righteous Law in our Hearts . And when it had pleased God thus to rouse us out of our carnal Security , and fire our House of empty Profession about our Ears , and open the Books of Conscience , and call us to Judgment , kindling his holy Terrors in our Hearts , because of our past Conversation , that had been in the vain and sinful Fashions and Customs of the World , calling God our Father , and not born of him , and Christ Lord , and not by his holy Spirit , neither had taken up his daily Cross , to the slaying of our own Wills and carnal Affections , notwithstanding the great Profession that we in Words made of him and the Christian Religion , we came to see that true Christianity was another Thing then the World apprehended , and that as he was no more a Jew that was one outward , so neither was he a Christian that was one outward , but he was a true Jew and Christian that was one inward , whose Praise is not of Men , but of God ; in this Zeal that God had begotten in us for his own living Way , the spiritual Circumcision , the right Christianity , namely , To be Christ like , to do the Will of God in Earth as it is done in Heaven , to live unspotted from the World , and no more we to live , rule and order , but Christ , that liveth in us , which is to have eternal Life abiding in us . In this godly Zeal , I say , for this pure and living Way , we frequently testified to all People what God had done for us , where he found us , what he discovered to us , what he condemned us for , what he redeemed us from , and what he had brought us to , earnestly recommending the Light of Christ within , that manifests the Mind of Christ unto them , vehemently decrying the lifeless Profession they worship God , the eternal Spirit in , and shewing to them a more excellent Way , because a more pure and spiritual Way ; manifesting to them how that they called Christ their Lord , and did not obey him , their Saviour , and were not saved from Sin by him ; yea , how they magnify'd him in the History , and crucify'd him in the Mystery , warning them of their carnal Faith , Hope and Security they lived in , which cleansed not their Consciences from dead Works , nor overcome the vain and wicked Spirit of the VVorld , particularly exhorting them to turn away from their hireling Teachers , that had caused them to err , who though they say'd , Thus saith the Lord , the Lord never spoke by them , and God said of old , such should not profit the People , who fed and clothed themselves of the Flock , but had no heavenly Bread , no green Pastures , no pure Fountain to feed and refresh the Flock with ; and that all should learn of the Lord , that teacheth his people himself by his own good Spirit in their inward Parts , according to the Tenure of his second and everlasting Covenant , that they turn not again unto Folly. For this Testimony sake hath the Devil raged , and plotted our Ruine ever since we have been a People , now like a Lyon , then like a Lamb ; one while in the Appearance of a Serpent , another while in the Shape of a Dove ; but the Lord God Jehovah hath kept us hitherto , none of his Weapons hath yet prospered , and 't is our Faith none even shall ; for our Confidence is in him whom the Winds and Seas obey . Sometimes they tell us of our Novelty , as the Jews did Christ ; Abraham was before thee , say the Jews ; Before Abraham was I am , says Christ ; the Christians were counted Vpstarts both by Jews and Gentiles , yet their Way , and so ours , the pure , plain , spiritual Religion & Worship was before Jew or Gentils were ; anon we are Ignorant , Illiterate , Mechanical ; by and by we are Subtil Jesuites , Crafty Deceivers ; then Familists , as quickly Papists ; by some counted Enemies to Caesar , by others Temporizers ; our Visage is continually marr'd in the Eyes of the Outside Christians , as was our blessed Lord and Masters in the Eyes of the Outside Jews ; for what can escape their Censure ; there is a Sort of Men nothing pleases ; one sayes we are Socinians , owning Christ to be but meerrly a Man ; another , that we are Sabellians and Valentinians , and deny the Manhood of Christ ; starts up a third , and sayes , The Quakers expect to be justified by their own Works ; a fourth presently cryes out , They will do nothing unless the Spirit move them ( how are the Works ours then ? ) some imprison us because for Conscience sake we cannot take up Arms , others for Fear we should : Again , our Plainness in Apparrel is concluded Singularity ; our proper Speech , Rudeness ; our Scripture-Dialect , Canting ; if we conscientiously refuse them our Hat , 't is Pride ; if out of pure Tenderness we cannot swear , 't is Contempt of Authority ; and if we deny to pay the Parson Tythes , 't is reputed Robbery , though we have nothing for our Money of him : In fine , our Silence goes for Sullenness , our Sobriety for Morosity , our Frugality for Covetousness ; and for our Doctrines , they are only Antipodes to Truth ; for we are made to deny God , Christ , Spirit , the Immortality of the Soul ( yet that we hold our Souls to be God , Christ and holy Spirit too ) that we deny the Scriptures , Ministry , Church-Ordinances , Justification and Salvation by Christ , the Resurrection , Rewards and Punishments ; and which is yet further observable , as it fared with or dearest Master and his Followers then . The Scribes , Pharisees , Saduces , Galileans , &c. ready just before to devour one another , immediately united and combined to oppose , traduce , trap and ensnare them ; so has it fallen out with us ; for the Hand of every party hath been lifted up against us ; I scarcely know one that is under any considerable Notice in Christendom ( however violent and irreconcilable among themselves ) that hath refused that common League and Confederacy , or that hath not by some or other of its principal Agents vigorously , if not scornfully and persecutingly decry'd and oppos'd us , yet are we alive and a people , blessed be the Name of the Lord ; this leads me to ask the Question , why did they so use our blessed Lord and his Disciples ? the Answer is easie , Because they saw him not , they knew him not , nor his Followers as they were ; they had lost their Divine Savour , and professed the VVords and Sayings of Moses and the Prophets , not in their Life and Spirit ; and I can give no other Reason why we are so little known to the World of Christians in our Age , then that they hold generally the Christian profession out of the Christian Nature , Life and Spirit ; for we are the most mis-understood and mistaken of people , whence it follows , that our Antagonists of every Party have charged us with Doctrines and Principles not of our owning , but their own Mistaking , if not Inventing , which is worse ; 't were too tedious to enumerate all their Attempts : there are not less , I believe , then One Hundred Books extant , two thirds of the most of them are Imagination , Romance , Fiction , and no Judgment or Doctrine of ours . This is Notorious by our Answers : and I hope every man's word is to be taken about what his own Faith is , though not in the Proof of his Faith , to be a True Faith. Of later Times , two Persons have excelled in this Way of Opposing us , Thomas Hicks and John Faldo ; they are both Answered , according to their respective Tracts ; and their further Defence remaineth hitherto unattempted by any . 'T is with a Passage in my Answer to J. Faldo's first Book that this same I. C. stiled , A Minister of the Gospel , and a Skirmisher too , offers at an Encounter . I question not his Courage so much as his Skill ; he shows Will enough , but his Abilities fail him : I am willing to perswade my self , that he is more Novice then Souldier in this War , and that this is rather a Spurt of Heat , then a Deliberate Action ; for , Wise Men count their Cost , Fools only invade without Force : I hope he will not be angry with me for this Opinion of him ; I am sure he ought not , if he be a Minister of the Gospel ; I know not how he will take it as a Skirmisher , an Employment of so different a Nature ; but certain it is , that Mistake is more pardonable then Malice , and Ignorance excusable then Fiction : I would not willingly fall upon him with those severe Terms , and put him upon that Difficulty I have been constrained to treat others with , and reduce them to ; I would chuse rather to inform then chide him ; only I must tell him , that he is fallen into the Road of as great and arch a Perverter of our Writings and Sayings , as any Enemy that ever appear'd against us , and improved his Mistake upon us , by as many Foul , Impious and Detestable Consequences ( even to a Tautology ) as that of any other Adversary hath done , which would make one think , that there was more of Design then Accident , and Premeditation then Inadvertency in the Business . Be it as it will , the Man pretends to be offended at me , & endeavours to make others offended too , 'T is highly fit as a Christian-man , that I do my best to remove the Reason of it , and that I shall , by the Help of Almighty God. First then , I will set down that Passage of mine , which he makes the Reason of writing his Pamphlet , & annex some of the Consequences he draws from my words , by which he would render them and me Odious to his Reader , and then fall to my Defence , which will not be difficult , and I hope not tedious to my ingenuous and inquiring Reader . No Command in the Scripture is any further obliging upon any man , then as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience — It is Conviction that can only oblige to Obedience — When any man is convinced , that was commanded another , is required of him , then , and not till then he is rightly authorized to perform it . These Parcels has he cull'd out of a Book of mine , Quakerism a New Nick Name for Old Christianity , I writ in Answer to John Faldo's Book entituled , Quakerism No Christianity . Let 's now see the Use he makes of them , and what Language he makes them to speak . That this Position opens the Flood-gate to all Error , Atheism , Impiety and Wickedness ; and that it is the Overthrow of all Law and Government , p. 2 That sins of Ignorance are no sins ; for all Conviction is by Knowledge — that this justifies Paul 's Blasphemy and Persecution , and gross sins against the Gospel , because he did it ignorantly , p. 3. It justifies all Erronious Doctrines and Practical Misapprehensions , and whatever Vices lie in the Vnderstandings of men — Penn's Position doth justifie the Irish Rebellion , the French Massacre , the Marian Persecution , the Ten Persecutions of the Primitive Churches , the Gunpowder Treason , Judaism , Mahometanism , Paganism , Popery , and all Erroneous Sects and Parties in the World , with all their False Principles and Practices . Christ saith , It is Life Eternal to know God and Christ Jesus , John 17. 3. Penn's Position saith , If you are ignorant and unconvinced , no Law can lay hold on you , if you be deluded , and practise according to the Conviction of your deluded Mind you are warranted by the Command of God , which do all center in Conviction , p. 4. Again , If this Position be true , then Conscience and Conviction is God ; and whatever Conscience sayes , must be done , be it right or wrong ; and it lies in the power of Conscience to make void all the Laws of God , and to do what it pleaseth — It will also follow , that he is the most free from Sin who hath the most feared Conscience , and that the ready Way to Obedience and Salvation , is to debauch and sear the Conscience — If Conviction be the Ground of Obedience and the Authority of Scripture depend upon the Rectitude and Purity of Conscience , then all Rational Laws , Order and Government , both divine and human , are overturned , and a stop is put to all Religion and Piety towards God , to all Conscience , Honesty and Charity towards Men — So Princes and Rulers may command and make never so good Laws , Conscience may come and say , I deny all these Laws , and the Maker of them ; Children may refuse to obey Parents ; Servants , Masters , and Inferiour Superiours ; if Conscience shall be unconvinced , and if it be deluded , Subjects , may murder their Princes ; Children , their Parents ; Servants , their Masters ; one Man , another ; there can be no Law , but Conscience , and whatsoever Conscience sayes must stand , p. 5 , 6 — The Quakers Conscience sayes one Thing , the Papists another , the Pagans , the Turks , the Jews , the Tyrants , the Traytors , the Hereticks , the Worldlings , the Hypocrites , the Proud , the Adulterers Conscience , how many contrary Consciences are these ? how many Gods shall we have and contradictory Laws , if Conscience and Conviction be the only Thing which obligeth to Duty , p. 6 , 7. These with Abundance more of the like Nature are the Consequence he rather bestows upon , then draws from my Words , as particularly he hath laid them down ; pray hear his Farewel after such a violent and virulent Skirmish , I would be glad to make the best of your Position , but I must profess my Conscience and Conviction , p. 13 , I refer my self and what I have here writ to Impartial Censure , warning and entreating all People , as they love their Souls to take heed of Quakerism — Keep your Poyson to your self , and none will perish by it but your self ; but if you will needs vend it , and in the View of the Nation , and such at least as know the English Tongue , set up a Position subverting all Religion , Law and Government , and levelling all holy and profitable Rules and Commands to Mens Lusts , leaving no Man in the World under any Obligation , or any Duty to God or Man , further then he is convinced in his Conscience ; be it known to you , that Jesus Christ hath his Servants abroad , to bear Testimony for him against such GOD-BLASPHEMING AND SOUL-DAMNING ERRORS ; and if you repent not , this that I have written shall rise up in Judgment against you , and shall be an Aggravation of your Misery in that Day . Prepare to answer the righteous Judge , if your Conscience be blinded and seared now , it will be open and awaken then . This Reader concludes his two Sheets of Skirmish upon me : But by the way , it ought to sound very strangely to my Reader , that a man should profess Conscience and Conviction for this long Anathema against Conscience and Conviction : But by that time he is as well acquainted with these sort of men as I am , he will leave off wondring that such men contradict themselves ; indeed they live by it . But what shall I do or say to this Goliah ? Behold the Spoil of his Skirmish ! He has invaded my Body and Soul , Religion and Life ; these he thinks he leads away in Tryumph after him ; for I am ( if he may be believed ) by my Doctrine an Heretick , a Blasphemer , an Atheist , a Traytor , a Regicide , a Paracide , a Murderer of my Kindred and Neighbours , a Destroyer of all Government Divine and human , and a common Enemy to Mankind , unfit for this World , and for Heaven in the next , unless I repent , which ought to be very questionable to so dissolute and impious a Wretch , as this pretended Minister of the Gospel in his Skirmish hath been pleased to render me ; what remains , but that the Dogs or the Lyons devour me , the Rabble or Government sacrifice me ? I am only fit for Prey , if this be true ; what now shall I do , Revile him ? by no Means ; revenge my self by a bitter and invective Answer ? no such Matter ; but may not I be angry with him ? not a Jot ; what then ? Pity and Inform him , though a Parson ; I think so too ; wherefore overlooking all such Provocations , I begin and proceed in this Method . First , I cannot but take it very ill , in Case I were unsound in any one Doctrine , not through Inadvertency , but knowingly and premeditately , that he without any further Search or unquestionable Proof , should fault and impeach the Way I profess , and upbraid an entire People with my Mistake ; I ask if this be the VVay to perswade me that he is a true Minister of the Gospel , one that is zealous to promote the Commandments of God , that in doing this hath broke That of loving his Neighbour as himself , and doing unto others as he would have them do unto him ; William Penn holds a gross Error , therefore the People call'd Quakers and the Way they profess must be skirmish'd upon with the foul Names of Murderers , Rebels , Traitors , Atheists , Heresie , Blasphemy , &c. What Part of Logick or Philosophy is this ? none I think , I am sure there is neither Law nor Gospel for it ; but 't is too frequent with many to live in the Transgression of those Commandments they verbally admire , even then when they are pleading for them . In the next Place , I must needs observe to him his Disingenuity in telling me , He would be glad to make the best of my Position , after he had manifestly made the worst he could , his two Sheets being stuft with the most abominable Consequences it had been possible for any Man to invent or aggravate against me ; this seems to be a Degree beyond Ignorance , and looks very scurvily for a Man of his Function and Pretences , Skirmishing laid aside . But that which weighs the most with me to suspect my present Adversary of unfair Dealing ( to let such Words as Forgery slip for this Time ) is his taking my Matter to Pieces , clipping Sentences , and dropping that by the Way , which read with the rest would in my Apprehension have defended the Passage from the Possibility of any reasonable Exception . Shall four Lines and an half of a Book of above 250 Pages , and those cull'd too out of three several Places , reprobate the Book , the Author , his Religion , and the Body of People he relates to ? I hope he has so much Conscience and Conviction left upon second Thoughts ( if for my sake he is not out of Charity with both ) as to condemn this Sort of proceeding with us ; but perhaps he will tell me , I make too much of it , and that it was but a Skirmish ; if so , then no Battail or solid Encounter of both Armies , and if not , how come we and our Religion to be defeated , and taken in his Apprehension ; doubtless this must go but for a Vapour , and proves the Parson more a Man of his Words then of his Deeds . Nor is this all the Ground of my Jealousie , for unless he had met with my Book by Accident , and had cast his Eye only on those three Places , not reading what went before , came between , or followed after , ( a thing scarcely possible ) and upon that transcient Notice had sally'd forth , and skirmish'd upon me ( a Rashness no Man in his Wits would be guilty of ) or that when he had fallen so patly on those three places , he resolved to see no more for Fear of being better informed , a Disingenuity greatly unbecoming a Man of his Pretensions , it must and will follow , that he did knowingly and on Purpose omit both giving his Reader the Reason of this Part of the Controversie between me and John Faldo , and my Sense at large in Defense of our first Position ; which done , would have sav'd him the Trouble and Danger of a Skirmish , and me the present Pains of giving him this Repulse . And here I entreat the Readers Patience for a little Digression , if yet it be one . John Faldo writes a Book call'd Quakerism No Christianity ; in it he charges the People call'd Quakers with several erroneous Principles , whereof one is in general Terms , That we deny the Scriptures , upon this he bestows 9 Chapters . One of them is taken up with this Title , That the Quakers affirm the Doctrines , Commands , Promises and holy Examples expressed in Scriptures , as such , not to be at all binding upon them . To this Book I return'd my Answer , entituled , Quakerism a New Nick Name for Old Christianity ; I follow him Chapter by Chapter in my Course , I undertake him upon this Head. To prove his Charge he produces a Passage out of Edward Burrough's Writings , much at the same Rate that this Adversary quotes me , and such Harmony they hold , that they fall both upon the same Construction of us , as if they had compared Notes , or had abused us by Instinct . This I complain of in my Answer to J. F. how comes J. C. to make the same false Step , and yet have read that Answer ; E. Burroughs's Words were these , as cited by J. F. That is no Command of God to me , what he commanded to another ; did any of the Saints which we read of act by the Command which was to another , not having the Command to themselves — This J. F. improves at the same Rate that J. C. doth mine , to wit ; That it opens a Way to all Lewdness and Impiety , and hath all Iniquity in the Womb of it , extending these Words to all Laws , which ( as I make appear in my Answer , however overlookt by this Man ) were limited by E. B. and me to Temporary and extraordinary Cases . Had J. F. been quiet here , I could have hoped that he had both seen and sorrowed for his Mistake ; but he persists in his horrid Abuse of E. B. and begins at the same Rate with me for defending him ; This is in his Vindication of his former Book , to which I Rejoyn at large in Defense of my Answer , resume the Controversie entirely , distinguish of his Fallacies and Misrepresentations , and assert and maintain our own Principles , confirming them with some Hundreds of reputed Authorities , as well of former as more modern Ages . In this Discourse ( hitherto unattempted by any ) I make a further Defense of E. B's and my own Sense from J. F's Mis-construction , which it had become this pretended Minister of the Gospel to have consulted , before he had engaged himself upon so strange a Skirmish . That this Injury done me may more distinctly appear , I shall here set down once more ( I hope without Offence to the Reader ) the present Parson's Text , not his Sermon , that 's too tedious . — No Command in the Scripture is any further obliging upon any Man , then as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience — It is Conviction that can only oblige to Obedience — When any Man is convinced that what was commanded another is required of him , then , and not till then he is rightly authorized to perform it . I omit to mention his Comment ; but every Thing that is vicious , prophane and diabolical he makes to follow upon those Premises . That my Reader may the better see whether my Matter and Design at large merits any such Constructions , I chuse to insert , and that as the best and briefest Way , the 5th Chapter of my Rejoynder to J. Faldo , which contains his Charge and Proof , my Answer ( thus pared and patched by J. C. ) his Reply , and my Rejoynder , as a more compleat Defence of E. B's and my Assertion against the vile Interpretations of J. Faldo , so dexterously followed by J. C. and therefore equally fit for him . Here follows the 5th Chapter of my Rejoynder to J. F. containing a Vindication of my Doctrine from any such Evil Consequences as are by I. C. charged upon it , with this further Advertisement , that the Reader observe , that those Lines of Capital Letters are the Passages quoted by I. C. and all the rest of my Answer in the Common Letter , with Comma's on the sides , herein recited , and much more , is wilfully omitted by my Adversary : also the Reader is desired to consider of the Marginal Notes , by which he will be help't to understand the Disingenuity of I. C. against me , my Friends , and our holy Profession . Of Scripture-Commands , what are binding , and what not . Our Adversary's Disingenuity observed . BUt however , he has fail'd in his last Chapter , doubtless he thinks he has done my Business in this ; he begins like himself . Rep. My Charge and Argument in this Chapter is , The Quakers affirm the Doctrines , Commands , Promises , holy Examples expressed in Scripture , as such , not to be at all binding to us ; such an Argument , and so proved by me ( mark Reader ) as a Thousand Penns can never invalid it . Rejoyn . What can there be more conceited then this ? He must live very lonely and far from Neighbours , that proclaims so much Praise to himself , and have wonderful Confidence to bid Defiance so vainly to others . Reader , I beseech thee , for the Truth 's sake , on whose side soever thou shalt find it to be , to examine with all Impartiallity his Charge , our Answer ; his Reply , and our Rejoynder : If his Honesty , Reason and Justice hold any Proportion to his great Confidence , we yield ; But if upon an impartial Consideration he shall be found to clip and pervert our Matter , and to shuffle with us in his own , once do a poor People Right , in giving Judgment against this horrible Injustice . The Charge thou hast heard ; the Proof was this , That is no Command of God to me , what he commanded to another : Did any of the Saints , which we read of , act by that Command which was to another , not having the Command to themselve , &c. Now , before I give my Answer , as it was set down in my Book , I shall insert his Quotation of my Answer . Rep , To this saith P. I answer briefly and plainly , and he is as good as his word . No Commands , saith he , in the Scripture , are any further obliging upon any Man , then as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience , otherwise men should be engaged without , if not against Conviction ; a thing unreasonable in a Man. Rejoyn . He has a notable way of Contracting his Adversary's Answers ; I will set down what I writ , faithfully , plainly and briefly . Edward Burroughs's Expression may be taken two wayes , and both safe enough to the Honour and Credit of the Scripture , though not to the Charity or Honesty of J. Faldo . Now follows that part he cited . NO COMMAND IN THE SCRIPTURE IS ANY FURTHER OBLIGING UPON ANY MAN , THEN AS HE FINDS A CONVICTION UPON HIS CONSCIENCE , a otherwise Men should be engaged without , if not against Conviction , a thing Unreasonable in a Man ; Therefore the Apostle , when he wrote to the Church exhorted them , not to do those things whereof they were b ashamed , to shun what was manifested to be Evil ; and affirms , that whatever might be known of God was manifested within , for God had shown is unto them . c SO THAT CONVICTION CAN ONLY OBLIGE TO OBEDIENCE : and since what works that Conviction is the manifesting Light , universal Grace , or quickning Spirit in the Heart of Mankind , it follows , that the principal Ground for our Faith in the Scriptures , and Reason of our Obedience to the holy Precepts therein contained , is the Manifestation , Conviction and secret drawing of the Light or Spirit of God in the Conscience : And thus E B's words are sound and scriptural , for the Scriptures are chiefly believed to be true upon Conviction , therefore every Practice therein ; AND WHEN ANY MAN IS CONVINCED , THAT WHAT WAS COMMANDED ANOTHER , IS REQUIRED OF HIM THEN , AND NOT TILL THEN , HE IS RIGHTLY AUTHORIZED TO PERFORM IT . Again , Such Commands either relate to Ordinary or Extraordinary Cases ; d By Ordinary Cases I mean , such as chiefly concern Faith and holy Life , which are general , permanent and indispensible , and then I deny his Consequence . By Extraordinary Cases I understand Moses 's going to Pharaoh , the Prophets several manneres of Appearance to the Kings , Priests and People of Israel , with other Temporary Commands , relating to outward services , &c. c And so we say , that what is commanded One Man , is not binding , as such upon another : But when the Lord shall say , If thou sinnest , thou shalt dye ; If thou keepest my Commands , thou shalt ●ive ; Be ye holy , for I the Lord your God am holy ; — For your selves KNOW YE NOT how ye ought to follow us , & c ? I say , these Precepts and Examples are obliging upon all ; why ? because they more or less meet with a Conviction In the Consciences of all : For I am perswaded , none that has a reasonable Soul , who has not f out-lived his Day , but would readily say , These are true and weighty Sayings ; For Faith in God , and a holy self-denying Life , are necessary both to Temporal & Eternal Happiness . It was , Reader , to this sober Answer he slung out his foregoing Rant , and makes this following Comment and Reply , Viz. says J. Faldo . Rep. They are no Commands unless we think so . 'T is no sin to break all the Commands in the Bible , if our Consciences can be so blind , dead or hardened as not to tell us , 't is a sin . They who thought they did God good service in killing his Servants did not sin in the least , because they were not convinced of a Command to the contrary . To vindicate my whole Chapter concerning the Scriptures . 'T is a Principle that hath all g Iniquity in the Womb of it . Who can find Names for such Impious Principles ? Pen● hath opposed , scorned the Truth , vilified its Teachers and Defenders , so as scarce never Man did ; vented the most pernicious Errors , told abundance of those things that are known to himself to be False . Rejoyn . Reader , This is all the Justice and Reason I can have from this pretended meek and suffering Nonconforming Parson . What would such men do , had they as much Power as Anger ? But I shall leave him with his Pride & Passion Is there any thing more clear then that he extends the words of E. Burroughs to Ordinary Cases , which were wholely writ about Extraordinary ; and that he takes no more notice of my Distinction , then if there had been none made ? As if it had been formerly an equal Sin for any not to be Circumcised , and to h Murder his Father or Prince ; or that there was the same Conviction universally upon the Consciences of all Men , not to wear ●insey . Wolsey , as to do by others as they would have others do to them . That what we say was E. Burroughs's Meaning his own Words undeniably prove : One , sayes he , was sent to i baptize , and another to preach the Gospel : which were particular and extraordinary Commands . He clearly shuffles and evades the dint of my Answer , & would run us within the Borders of Rantism . The k Question is not , Are God's Commands no Commands , unless we think so , and therefore no sin to break all the Commands in the Bible ( which is the Comment he bestows upon us ) but whether this or that especial Injunction to any Particular Person or Persons , to this or that peculiar End , be warrantably immitable , without sufficient Conviction and Commission : Must J. F. Baptize because John Baptized ? or turn Preacher because Peter was one ? E. B. only denyed Imitation of Ancient Times in Temporary and Shadowy Services , and all those Preachings , Prayings , Ordinances and Churches , that have not ( as Peter Martyr well expresses it ) the holy Spirit for th●ir Root . So that instead of his holding a Principle that hath all Iniquity in the Womb of it , John Faldo first perverts his words , and then to confute them both implyes a Denyal of the holy Spirit to be the only right Leader to the Performance of Gospel prayer , Preaching and Ordinances , and of gathering of Evangelical Churches , and does as good as tell us , that Gods Commandments are such to him , not because of any Conviction in himself of the Justness of them , but from the Testimony of the Scriptures , which for all his high Boasts of Christianity , is a State far beneath those noble Gentiles , who not having an outward Law , were a Law unto themselves , having the Effect of it written in their Hearts , their Conscience hearing witness , &c. And this we may boldly say , That such as ever acted from that inward Sense , never thought they did God good Service in Killing his Servants , whilst great Admirers of the Letter of the Scriptures , and who , as concerning this Commandment , Thou shalt not Murder , thought themselves most unblameable , believed , They did God good service in killing his Servants . Nor can I think it so great a Disgrace to our Cause , that we ingenuously profess the Reason why we desire to fear God , and keep his Commandments , doing unto others as we would have them do unto us , not so much to be from the Letter of the Scripture , as the Convictions of the Eternal Light and Spirit of God in our Consciences ; as it ought to be unto John Faldo and Adherents , who ground their Obedience upon his the Letter of the Scripture , and not upon such internal Convictions . What is it but to say , They could Lye , Swear , Steal , Kill , &c. l without any Remorse , did they not find such Injunctions and Prohibitions upon record ? A Consequence so detestable , yet so natural to their Principles , that if this render them not able Guides to the very Confines of Rantism and Atheism , I shall gladly ask an Excuse for my Ignorance . But that I may l●ave nothing undone that may compleat the Satisfaction of every moderate Inquirer , I shall further weigh and rejoyn to these words of his . They who thought they did God good Service in killing his Servants , did not sin in the least , because they were not convinced of a Command to the contrary ; nor the Idolaters in the case of Baal , because they thought Baal to be a God indeed . Now , Reader , observe the Evasion : m This Passage relates not to Men's practising what God commands , or our Tenderness in imitating other Saints without Commission , for fear we should offer strang Fire , which is our Question ; but their doing that which God never commanded , yea , which Mankind in all Ages hath adjudged impious , and which to be sure , his Holy Spirit , that E. B. said : All men should wait to be convinced , assisted and led by in fulfilling God's Commandments , never moved any to . He unworthily draws a general Conclusion against us from meer particular Premises . It seems men are to act without , if not against Conviction , upon his principle ; and that it is the same thing with him , to commit moral Enormities from an Hardned Heart , and to be tender of taking up any external Practice , or performing some Religious Duty ▪ without the Convictions and Leadings of the Holy Spirit . The Apostle said to such as had not as yet so full clearness as others , That if any were otherwise minded , God would reveal it . He did not injoyn them , during that Scruple , to believe or practise the thing doubted ; but therefore did Persecutors act inexcusably in their fiery Zeal , because their blind Consciences checkt them not . Again , If Blindness came from Education it is ●though Blindness still ( and therefore it was basely done of I. Faldo to say in our Names , that it is not Sin in the least , &c. ) more excusable : for in the Dayes of such Ignorance God winks : But if it be a n Blindness , proceeding from long Disobedience and Rebellion against the Convictions and Strivings of the good Spirit of God , as his word Hardned implies , then , I say , it is not only very hainous in Gods Sight , but those Persons can never be excus'd neither from great Guilt , nor the Sense of it in themselves , let them or I. F. talk never so much of Conscience . Besides , the most Essential , and Universally Necessary Commands of God were through all Ages confest to ; both before there was any of those Writings , we rightly call the Scriptures of Truth , from the Law of Nature , as many stile it , or rather , the Law of God placed in Man's Nature , and since , where they have never been ; Therefore whatever particular hardned and seared Consciences may say , we have the Consent of Mankind , and their own Rebellion and Lewdness against them . But the Words of J. Faldo in plain terms import , as if , 1st , Men were not generally convinced of the Righteousness of the Moral Commands of God ; but that Men keep them because they are in the Bible only ; which runs against the Testimony of Scripture , the Consent of Ages , and the Writings and Judgment of the most Honest and Learn'd Protestants . 2ly , As if it were a like Evil , Conscientiously to forbear Running , Willing and Striving in Matters of Worship without the Spirit 's Conduct , and scared●y to plead for the Commission of Murder and Idolatry , because Men of such Consciences bogle not at it ( though that is more then J. F. can prove , I mean , that they have no Stroak or Remorse ) 3ly , As if we could Worship , Preach , gather Churches , and administer Gospel-Ordinances aright without the Spirit . 4ly , That he is not convinced by any other Testimony then the Scripture without , of any Transgression against God's Law. 5ly , It supposes that if Men stay'd till the Spirit mov'd , they should stay long enough ( who vainly prate of Praying by the Spirit notwithstanding ) never considering that the Spirit standeth ready to Reveal it self to their Assistance and Assurance who wait for it , and that all the Children of God are led by the Spirit of God , which being our Position , had it but been weighed by this Adversary , he could not ( methinks ) be so unjust in his Aggravations . 'T is true , should we believe as he doth , the Spirit is not to be waited for now adayes to lead us , or that it is not ready to our Information , when we wait for its Discoveries and Leadings , our Assertion would look very absurd and loose ; for it were to let fall all Worship , but not upon our own Principle , as I said before ; for first , all Worship to God ought to be performed by the Assistance of his holy Spirit ; for of our selves we can do nothing that is good : And secondly , God's Spirit is ready to assist , instruct and comfort those that wait diligently and patiently for it ; yea , God hath given it to the Rebellious , that it may judge them , if it do not lead them . It is such Protestant Doctrine , that I wonder Men should not know their admited Ancestors Faith when they meet it : Oh great Degeneration into Hardness & Ignorance ! Lastly , There is the same to be said against him that pretends to ground all upon the Scripture , that he objects against us , who plead for the Conviction of Conscience , which the Instance of the Jews Murder of our Lord Jesus Christ unanswerably proves . There was a Law , that Blasphemers should be put to Death ; by this Law they apprehended Jesus , adjudged and got him to be executed : These Men above any Age exalted the Scriptures as the Only Rule . Where lyes the Mistake ? Not in the Scripture , but in their blind and envious Application of it . Now I ask , if the only Way for them to have come to the true Sense and Knowledge of him , and escaped that Wicked Murder and the deplorable Consequences of it had not been to have waited upon God for the o Conviction , Discoveries , and Guidance of his holy Spirit , since Flesh and Blood and the utmost Wit of Man , with the Exactness of the meer Letter of the Scriptures could never give the certain discerning , Knowledge and Savour of him unto that Generation , whose very Words themselves were Spirit and Life ? It was by a Divine Touch , Sense and Knowledge given from above , that he was truly discern'd , own'd and follow'd of those that believ'd in him , and clear ved to him ; p therefore said Christ , No man cometh to me but whom my Father draweth : Where was that Drawing but within . Again , Simon Peter , Flesh and Blood hath not revealed ( what ? who I am ) but my Father that is in Heaven . So that at last , Men must come to this Spiritual Sense in themselves , to understand and apply the very Commands of Scripture ; otherwise , not Justice , but detestable Murder may under the Name of it be confidently perpetrated ; Wherefore we Exhort all , To have Recourse unto God's Spirit , that illuminates certainly , and gives to act unblameably , by which the Scriptures are only understood as they should be , & People brought into the Possession of that Life of Righteousness , they plentifully declare of . Had it not been for this inward Discerning , there had been no Ground for the Abolishment of the whole Jewish Service , which followed some Years after Christ's Ascension . And it is the same Eternal Spirit that is the great Rule and Judge now , which God promised more particularly to shed abroad in the latter Dayes ; and is the great inseparable Priviledge from the New and Everlasting Covenant . But to conclude , Why should it seem so Heterodox in J. Faldo's Judgment , since if Men believe the Scripture upon the Testimony of the Spirit , they practise it by the Knowledge and Power of the same ; How else could Paul have decry'd Jewish Ceremonies ; or we know , what to take , and what to leave ? Or why do we omit any Command therein mentioned ? They Circumcised , therefore must I Circumcise ? They Baptized , must I therefore Baptize ? with forty more particular Cases , wherein nothing can secure any from the Imitation of them , set Conviction or Spiritual Discerning aside . I will offer two or three Testimonies from approved Men in our Defence . William Tindal , that ancient faithful Protestant Martyr , whom J. Fox , that writ the Books of Martyrs , calls , the English Apostle , speaks thus , That it is impossible to understand in the Scripture more then a Turk , for whosoever ( or any that ) hath not the Law of God writ in his Heart to fulfil it . Again , Without the Spirit it is impossible to understand them . John Jewel , Bishop of Salisbury , in his excellent Book against the Papists , writ above One Hundred Years ago , says thus to our purpose , The Spirit of God is bound neither to Sharpness of Wit , nor to abundance of Learning : Oftentimes the Unlearned see that thing , that the Learned cannot see . Christ saith , I thank thee , O Father , Lord of Heaven and Earth , that thou hast hid these things from the Wise and the Politick , and hast revealed them unto the Little Ones . Therefore Epiphanius saith , Only to the Children of the Holy Ghost all the Holy Scriptures are plain and clear . Again , Flesh and Blood is not able to understand the Holy Will of God without SPECIAL Revelation . Therefore Christ gave Thanks unto his Father , and likewise opened the Hearts of his Disciples , that they might understand the Scriptures , Without this special Help and PROMTING of God's Holy Spirit , the Word of God is unto the Reader , be he never so wise or well learned , as the Vision of a sealed Book . Now unless Men are bound to do what they do not understand how to do , then only are they to do them where they are Revealed or Discovered to them , which being by the Spirit only , according to their Doctrine , the Testimony and Discoveries of the Spirit are requisite to our understanding of the Scriptures , which implies and comprehends a Discriminating Knowledge or Certain Discerning of what we should practise from what is not obliging upon us to practise , and consequently , that we ought not to run head long without such knowledge . T. Collier , an Ancient and Eminent Man among the Western-Separatists of our Nation , writeth thus : For me to speak of God , because another speaks of him ; and to be able to talk much of God as I read of him in Scripture , NOT BEING MADE ONE IN THE SAME TRUTH , I see and speak BUT WHAT ANOTHER HATH SPOKEN ; and so may speak truly sometimes of God , but it is by Hear-say , ANOTHER MAN's TRUTH , BUT NOT MINE ; so , I doubt , many a Soul BOASTS IN ANOTHER MAN's LIGHT . — Again , I see that external Actings according to a Rule without , is nothing , if not flowing from a Principle of Life and Love within . Which is more then E. B. said , of whom J. Faldo ( with unworthy Reflection and base Wrestings ) hath said so much . Thus far goes my Rejoynder , and I hope far enough to defeat our Skirmisher , and rout all his false Consequences in the plain Field ; I will not abound in my own Sense , but shall leave every impartial Reader to determine , whether E. Burrough or W. Penn for him understood and intended those Passages to all the Commandments of God , or those only that are of a pecu●iar and extraordinary Nature , which are both by J. F. and J. C. so odiously relented and improved , even to all Atheism and Impiety . But for further Satisfaction to my Reader and to compleat this Adversary's Defeat , I will suppose him making this Acknowledgment and Objection , viz. I grant that both J. F. and my self have unworthily wrong'd E. B 's Words and Sense , and W. Penn 's too , as to the main scope of the Controversie , believing they intended what they said , not of all the Commands of God , and I am willing to let go the last of the three Passages I cite in my Pamphlet , viz. When any Man is convinced that what was commanded another is required of him , then , and ( not till then , he is rightly authorized to perform it , believing this related to extraordinary Cases ; but I am yet dissatisfied with the other two Passages still , viz. No Command in the Scripture is any further obliging upon any Man , then as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience — It is Conviction that can only oblige to Obedience . I still believe that all those horrid Consequences I skirmisht him with , are due to that Doctrine : What more can J. C. say for himself then this Objection imports ? I shall now defend my Words , as he hath laid them down , from any such Inferences as he has given in their Name . To make my Answer clear , it is to be consider'd ; first , What is that Conscience I mean ; next , What the Conviction , and by whom given , which understood , corrects his Folly ( to say no worse ) and ends the Debate with his Defeat . To say nothing here of the various Definitions that are of Conscience , nor is it so proper , for the Question is about what Conscience , I shall keep to the Distinction in Scripture ; the Scripture mentions two Sorts of Conscience , a Good and an evil Conscience ; the Question will be , which I meant ; if the last , as sayes J. C. I am gone ; if the former , he is routed ; not the latter , say I , for two Reasons , the one , because a wicked seared Conscience , as such , rejects all Conviction , the other , because I have particularly declared against I. F. that spoke not of any such Conscience ; nay , I have excepted and made Provision against any such Construction in my very Answer ; so to take and render me then is injurious . But if I meant it of a corrected , rightly qualified Conscience , such as the Apostle speaks of , Rom. 2. 14 , 15. that bear Witness in the Gentiles to the Work of the Law of God writ in their Hearts , then it will follow , that this Skirmisher is beside the Saddle , and hath shouldered himself out of the Point . But next , what is Conviction that obliegeth ? is it Imagination only ? or a Diabolical Suggestion to kill , rob , lye , &c. as sayes I. C. no such Matter , but a clear Understanding and sound Judgment , and upon right Conclusions , from the Manifestation of the Light , Grace or Spirit of God , that attends all People whose Day is not over for their Conviction and Conversion to God ; this I do verbally provide for in my Answer and Rejoynder to I. Faldo , yet hath J. C. so strangely rendered both me and my Assertions therein ; certainly this Man is the greatest of Novie●s in our Controversie and Religion , or incomparably base ; for either he supposeth that we do not hold , That all Men are enlightned with a measure of saving Light so as that Men cannot plead ignorance of what is fit for them to do , which is our known Principle , and he confesseth it , p. 13. or that if he doth so know , he must admit that this divine Light is idle and insufficient to convince People ; or lastly , believing neither , he doth very ill to tell the World in our Name , that we make debauched and seared Consciences our Rules of Obedience to Salvation , and subject the Laws of God and Man to the Acknowledgment of such depraved Consciences . Again , where there is no Law , there is no Transgression , and where the Law is not known , there is no Law ; now I. C. would have us believe , p. 8. & 9. that the very Ten Commandments , as well as the Sayings of Christ , and Writings of his Apostles are so spiritual and mysterious , that carnal Men , as such , cannot know them , no not so much as to understand what God mans when he sayes , Thou shalt not kill : Now if this Tale be true , what 's become of J. C. for if the Scrpiture sayes Where there is no Law , there is no Transgression , and Reason assures us , that where a Law is not known , there is no Law , and that J. C. tells us , that no Man that is not spiritual can know God's Law and Commands , even when they are publisht , and that the Spirit of God only gives the spiritual Knowledge of them ; will it not unavoidably follow , That no Command obligeth without Conviction , since no Command tyes without Knowledge , which is Conviction , sayes J. C. p. 3. yet again the whole Bible J. C. receives for Truth , either by Authority or Revelation , both which Wayes require Conviction ; for if he goes upon the Foot of Authority , he must be satisfied in his Conscience that those who writ , divulged , preserved and recommended it have not put any Trick or Abuse upon him , which is Credit upon a Sort of Conviction ; if he embraceth the Bible upon the Revelation and Testimony of the Spirit in himself ( the old Protestant Plea ) that is not possible without Conviction , for Evidence is Knowledge , & Knowledge Conviction ; and if I must have the Conviction of God's Spirit for the whole , I must have it for the Parts ; and therefore no Command in Scripture is any further obliging upon any Man then as he finds a Conviction upon his Conscience ; the contrary makes God a very hard Master ; for 't is to ▪ say , that he reaps where he hath not sown , that his Laws are not binding where they are not known , and that he requires an Obedience without giving Men the Understanding of their Duty : again , they are Christ's own Words , I will send the Comforter , or rather Advocate unto you , and when he is come , he will convince the World of Sin. I demand if the Conviction of the Spirit is not here made the Rule of Judgment and Practice . Again , If I had not done among them the Works that none other man did , they had not had Sin ; here Conviction goes before Sin , and that makes Death follow Sin : For the Wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all Vngodliness and Vnrighteousness of men , who hold the Truth in Vnrighteousness , because that which may be known of God is MANIFEST IN THEM , for God hath SHEWED it unto them . So the Prophet , He hath SHEWED unto thee O Man what is good . And upon whom doth not his Light arise ? In him was Life , and the Life the Light of Men ; that was the true Light which LIGHTETH EVERY Man that cometh into the World. For it is a Shame to speak of those Things which are done of them in secret ; but ALL THINGS THAT ARE REPROVED are made MANIFEST by the Light. For the Grace of God that brings Salvation hath APPEARED unto ALL Men , teaching us , that denying Vngodliness and VVorldly Lusts we should live soberly , righteously and godly in this present VVorld . For if our HEART condemn us , God is greater , and knoweth all Things ; Beloved , if our HEART condemn us not , then have we Confidence towards God ; which Passages prove an universal Principle , not condemning without requiring , nor requiring without manifesting and convincing ; therefore it is no God-blaspheming nor Soul-damning Error ( as says J. C. p. 14. ) to affirm that there is no Obligation without Conviction , nor Duty without Knowledge ; what would this Skirmisher mak Jews of us , to act upon Zeal without Knowledge ? or Athenians , to worship and dedicate Temples to an unknown God ? and lay it down for an Axiom of Divinity , That Men stand oblig'd , not only without , but against Conviction ; is he not like to give a rare account of his Onset , that mannages it at this Rate ? the poor Man has mist his Blow , and is fallen down with striking at me ; this appears by his manifest Mistakes and gross Contradictions too , his Mistakes I have already shown ; I shall now touch briefly upon his Contradictions , wherein he is as kind as he was cruel , and gives but all that he plundered from us , and so ends the Skirmish . His first Contradiction is this . I grant you that no man stands bound to obey any Command , which it is utterly impossible for him to know & be convinced of ; But doth this assoyl and clear him from yielding the Cause ? — But where nothing hinders a man from knowing his Duty , but his own Neglect and wilful Carelesness , and where a man shall by Sin debauch and sear his Conscience , will you excuse this Man — If indeed the Case were so , that no Conviction could be , or none that I could any Way compass , then I were in no Fault , but where it is my Fault if I be unconvinced — in such Case God may justly charge me with the Omission of Duty , and the Commission of Evil — and by granting this , I assoy● and clear the Justice of God. No doubt in the least , and a Seasonable Peccavi for what he has done , for , how wide is this off what I have said , of which I. C. has said so very ill ? I say , No Command is obliging without Conviction ; I. C. saith , No Command is obliging without Conviction , provided he doth not hinder his own Convincement . As if I stated it , that Let men shut their Eyes , stop their Ears , rebel , blaspheme , give themselves up to all Superfluity of Naughtiness till Conscience is seared as with an hot Iron , yet without the Conscience be convinced , or that God by Force make it to see , hear , and be sensible whether it will or no , men are not obliged by any of his Commands ; for this is the very Way he states the Case for me , though I do so particularly provide against any such dissolute and infamous Pretences . This is so plain , that when I say , that Conviction only obliges to Obedience , I add , that what works the Conviction is the Manifesting Light. Universal Grace or Quickning Spirit in the Heart of Mankind ; so that let us now see the real Difference betwixt this Skirmisher's Grant at the End of the Day , and what he so furiously flew upon in the Beginning . Saith he , I am bound to obey no Command , but what I am convinced of , provided I do not neglect or reject the means of my Convincement . p. 11. Say I , No Command is further obliging upon me , then as I find a Conviction in my Conscience by the Light , Grace or Spirit of God , unto which all men should have regard ; for that follows in my same Answer as an Explanation and Guard to that Assertion , most unworthily neglected by my Adversary , only to make Room for this vain and fruitless Skirmish . Now unless my Conviction by the Grace of God , be neglecting the means of Conviction as most undoubtedly it is not it being the only Way of true Conviction ) what Iota of Difference is there between my Assertion , and his Concession ? For Instance , no man is bound to answer a Question he doth not hear , say I ; no man is bound to answer a Question he does not hear , if he did not stop his Ears , or refuse to hear , saith he , as If I admitted , that men might stop their Ears , and yet be excusable , which is to read my Assertion thus , No man is bound to answer a Question that he will not hear ; and no Command is obliging upon a man that will not be convinced . The most contradictory to my Assertion that can well be , especially when I neither lay the Obligation upon every Conviction , but that only which comes from the Holy Spirit of Truth ; that is alwayes present to convince all of their Duty , nor subject that Conviction to the corrupt wills of Men. I shall here sum up all my Authorities into one , and that is W. Perkins a famous man in his time , whose Judgment may perhaps sway a little to correct the Etravagancy of this young Skirmisher . — Such Persons as have not so much as heard of Christ , though they are apt and sit to be bound in Conscience by the Gospel in as much as they are the Creatures of God , yet are they not indeed actually bound , till such time as the Gospel be REVEALED , or at the least means of Revelation offered . Reason I. VVhatsoever Doctrine or Law doth bind Conscience , must in some Part. BE KNOVVN by Nature or by Grace , or by both the Vnderstanding must FIRST OF ALL CONCEIVE or at the least have means of conceiving fore Conscience can constrain , because it ; BINDETH BY VIRTUE OF KNOVVN CONCLUSIONS in the Mind , therefore things that are ALTOGETHER VNKNOWN AND VNCONCEIVED OF THE VNDERSTANDING DO NOT BIND IN CONSCIENCE . Now that the Gospel is unknown of many I have already proved . therefore it binds them not in Conscience . II. Paul saith , Rom. 2. 12. They which sin without Law , shall be condemned without Law. To this he brings Augustine , Tract . 89. on John 15. 22. saying , that the Gentiles may have an Excuse for not believing in Christ . Bish . Sanderson is of the same Judgment in his Oxford Lectures on Conscience . Now for his next Contradiction , which is in ample manner thus . God and CONSCIENCE will never smite for meer ( p. 11. ) and total Impossibilities ; what are they I. C. ? to obey a Command which it is utterly impossible to know or be convinced of : Very well , enough of this before ; but what 's the Matter with Conscience ? how comes this strange Advance of a suddain from the Bar to the Bench ? what , a Regicide , a Parricide , a Murderer , an Adulterer , a Drunkard , a Thief , a Traytor , a Tyrant , a Blasphemer , an Atheist , and now a Judge , and such a Judge too as takes Place next God himself in Judgment ; God and CONSCIENCE will never smite and condemn , &c. O Powerful Conscience ! and O Righteous Conscience too ! what , a just Judge at last ! both able and equal ? certainly then it can be no Error to follow thy Dictates , nor make thy Convictions the Measures of our Obedience ; but tell me O Conscience , if Princes and Rulers make never so good Laws , with thou come and say , I deny all these Laws and the Makers of them ; Children may murder their Parents ; Subjects , their Princes ; Servants , their Masters ; one Man , another ? p. 5 , 6. Dost thou require men to do all these Impieties underpain of Damnation ? if not , go to I. C. for Satisfaction ; for he has grievously abused thee . In short , Reader , So perplext is the Man in his Skirmish , that he seems to have scar'd no Body so much as himself ; he has frigtned himself with his own Bulbeggar ; and as it happens with young Hottspurs , Conceit carries them on , but leaves them in the Fray , to get off as they can : so it has fallen out with I. C. he is in , and he known not how to get out again . One while he appeals to God and Conscience ; If God and Conscience approve me , p. 2. here he makes Conscience the Rule of his Writing as well as God ; another while , We may do the most horrid Crimes , and yet Conscience stood to them , and not only not smite us , but approve us and praise us , p. 5. By and by , God and CONSCIENCE will never smite and condemn for meer Impossibilities ; here again it is joyned with God in Righteous Judgment . p. 11. Again , If Conviction be the Ground of Obedience , and the Authority of Scripture depend upon the Rectitude and Purity of Conscience , then all rational Law , Order and Government divine and human is overturned , and a stop put to all Religion and Piety towards God , to all Conscience , Honesty and Charity toward Men. Let God command what he will , Conscience may come and say , I deny this Command and him that commandeth it , p. 5. I desire to know of this Man , by what Trope or Figure it is that he makes adhering to Conscience the Way to overturn and stop Conscience : that 's the first Case of Conscience I have to ask of him . The second is this , how Conscience can be coupled with Honesty and Charity , nay , with God himself , and yet have the Impudence to tell God , I deny thy Command and thee too ; is not this strang Divinity ? surely this Man is but a Parson by the by ; for he violates the common Rules of Theology , as their own Schools teach . But once more in Honour of Conscience , and to make her amends , as he began with the leave of Conscience , he ends , if we will believe him , with the Judgment of Conscience , hear him . I would be glad to make the best I can of your Position , but I must protest my Conscience and Conviction ; thus doth he make that his Guide his whole Pamphlet reprobates . The next Contradiction is this , that Conscience is made by him to be killed with Sin , as if it were a just Principle ; and by and by he renders it the seared active Sinner , p. 5. One more , Lastly , he tells us , that he grants that without the Light within we could not at all come to the Knowledge of the Scriptures , p. 12. yet that the Light within gives the Drunkard leave to be drunk . Again , The Light within , which should be his GUIDE , like a negligent drunken Coach-man sleeps , and the Horses run wood , or he drives into Pits and Bogs ; so doth the Light within take Part with the Flesh and Satan against you , p. 13. These Contradictions speak for themselves , though against him ; the Reader may easily judge at what a Pass this Parson-skirmisher hath reduced himself , that writes at this Randome Rate . But what further of his elaborate Studies in Divinity ? why this , If Scripture go ( sayes he ) farewel God , and Christ , and Heaven , and all Law , and Rule , p. 13. Now God forbid that the Scriptures should go ; but since in telling a Fib of us ( as if we slighted them ) he has adventured such an Axiom abroad in the World , I think fit thus to animadvert : Doth God , Christ , Heaven , all Law and Rule depend upon Scripture ? strange Change ! the Creator depends upon the Creature ; the Saviour upon his Message ; Heaven upon the History of it ? Ridiculous , as well as blasphemous-Well , but this is the worst Sense ; let us see if we can find the best , and that is this , Farewel to our Knowledge and Enjoyment of God , Christ , Heaven , &c. if the Scriptures were lost ; but this is also Extravagant , since God hath not so tyed up himself to Scripture ; the Scripture it self tells us of a Law writ in the Heart , and that this is not an Inferiour State neither , but that of the New and everlasting Covenant . Again was there no God , Christ or Heaven , Law or Rule before Scripture ? the contrary is notorious , the World had enjoyed many Ages before the Scriptures were in Being ; Paradise needed them not ; and Abraham , Isaac and Jacob had them not ; and can this Parson think there was no Knowledge of God , Christ , Heaven , Law or Rule in those Ages ? wonderful ! what cross Prospects doth this Man take of Religion ! But what becomes of his spiritual Laws writ in Mans Nature ? p. 8 , 9. if all would be lost with the Scriptures ( which God preserve ) how cross is this to the Apostle's Sentence in this very Place , Rom. 2. For the Gentiles which have not the Law , do by Nature the Things contained in the Law , and are a Law unto themselves : it seems here was God , Heaven , Law & Rule without Scripture . Lastly , He would needs have it , That men may commit all sorts of Impiety upon Conviction ; see p. 4 , 5 , 10 , 11. whereas all these Evils are committed against Conviction , sayes every Orthodox Man , be they Sins of Wilfulness , Searedness or Ignorance ; for Wilfulness resists Conviction ; Scaredness overlayes , smothers or kills it , if it be possible ; and Ignorance is Darkness or Blindness , which is just opposite to Conviction . Perhaps he thought any thing would do against the Quakers , especially if Skirmish and Imprimatur began it ; but can he in his Conscience think ( for now he tells us he hath one , and he can appeal to it too ) that the Light within helps to the Vnderstanding of Scripture , and ought to be our Guide ; and yet that it should be a leud drunken , fleshly , satanical Principle , and a Rebel against God that gave it for those excellent Ends of knowing Scripture , and regulating our Conversation accordingly ? shall I return him his own Saying ? Quit talia fando temperet a lachrymis ? though we had all gone astray , I ever thought our Guide had kept the Way , and that should be our Condemnation ; but this Man teacheth other Doctrine , namely , that the Guide God hath given us leads to be drunk , and takes Part with the Flesh and Satan against God. What follows , but that every Man is discharged from adhering to such a Guide , especially since the People in the Coach are not to be blamed , if the Coach-man drive them into Pits or Bogs ; but seriously Parson is there no Soul damning or God blaspheming Error in this Doctrine , that chargeth him with making so ill Provision for the Rule of Man's Life ; would'st not thou take a better Coachman , left thy Horses , with thy Wits should run wood ? And hath the Almighty so ill helped us with a Guide , and yet denounceth so many heavy and eternal Punishments , in case I miss my Way ? This false Step in Divinity drives me to observe three or four more , and so conclude . The next is this , That the Indians have no Knowledge of Good or Evil ; which besides that contradicts the Testimony of Travailers , and the Judgment of all Learned Men ; and which is more , the Scripture too , that demanded of old , Vpon whom does not his Light arise ? and tells us , That every Man has a Measure of Light , and that the Grace of God appeared to all Men , the Par●on contradicts himself ; for he tells us of Laws of God writ in Man's Natures , which includes Indians , if Indians be Men. His next Error expressed or implyed by several places of his Pamphlet is , That all men are not convinced , reproved or condemned , though they may have the Means of it . I affirm that all men are Convinced , though they lay it not to heart ; for men see their Sin , unless they have sinned their Sight away , in case that can entirely be . God hath shewed unto thee O Man what is good : What Man is this ? the Iew ? yes , and the Gentile too : O Man ! that is , Mankind ; and can man see the Good and not the Evil , or can he see either and not be convinced ? Monstrum Horrendum Ingens : Pray how is man left without Excuse , if God shows him not Good and Evil ? and can he see , and not be convinced ? Sight is Conviction . But when all is done , granting the Man his black Opinion of Conscience and Conviction ; what can he say of a Quaker's Conscience I cannot say of a Protestant's ? Will he beray his own Nest , or mark his own Nose ? What other Argument used Luther , Melancthon , Zwinglius , Calvin and Beza &c. abroad ; B. Hooper , J. Bradford , I. Philpot , B. Iewel , &c. at home ? for their Separation from the Church of Rome . Does not this man know , that all those horried Consequences he has heapt upon my Assertion , may be ( and some of them have been ) urged against the men named and their Followers by the Popish Church , yea , and by one another too ? Is this Man a Protestant ? Why not a Papist ? Answ . Because of Conscience and Conviction to the contrary ; Hold there , sayes the Papist , the Church is above a private Conscience ; and what know I but your Conscience will Lye , Steal , Rebel against the Government , and at last Cut Throats . O by no means , I. C. may say , I am no such Man , my Conscience teaches me better things : Never tell me of that , sayes the Papist , whilst you make Conscience and Conviction the Rule of your Actions towards the Church , I have Cause to fear that will one time or other pretend a Conviction to follow all manner of Lusts , to overturn Law and Government , and to stop all Religion and Piety towards God , all Conscience , Honesty and Charity towards Men , p. 15. But God and Conscience approves me , sayes I. C. p. 2. I cannot believe more then I can believe ; nor do God and Conscience ever smite for meer Impossibilities , p. 11. and I must protest Conscience and Conviction for what I do , p. 13. And thus I. C. comes off with his Papist . Would one think then that this Man should fall so severely upon me for having any regard to Conscience and Conviction ? one would think he were beside himself , as well as the Truth : But I am not without Hopes of his Information and Repentance ; till then I would advise the Imprimatur man , not to be so Licentious ; and in the mean while , it can do him no harm to meditate well upon this Passage of Scripture , And he causes all , both great and small , rich and poor , bond & free to receive a MARK in their Right Hands or in their For●heads ; and that no man might BVY or SELL , save he that had the MARK or the NAME of the BEAST , Rev. 13. 16 , 17. I shall conclude with the Judgment of B. Andrews , W. Perkins and B. Wilkins upon Conscience , and that shall be my Contribution to the Parson 's better Proficiency in Divinity ; for I hear he is but Lately and by Accident of the Trade . Lan● . Andrews Bp. of Winton , on the Commandments , chap. 6. saith , In the WORST of Men , when God puts the Bit in their Mouthes , those Sparks ( viz. that he hath placed in man ) will fly out . N. 5. He calls Conscience , God's Deputy or Vice-gerent . W. Perkins , Treatise of Conscience , in his Works Theological , 1 vol. pag. 517. Lond. 1636. impress . Conscience is a part of the Understanding in all reasonable Creatures , determining of their particular Actions , either with them or against them . — Understanding hath two parts , Theoretical & Practical ; under the latter is Conscience , because his property is to judge of the Goodness or Badness of Things or Actions done — Reason of the Name of Conscience , scire to know , is of one Man alone by himself ; and conscire is when two at the least know some one secret thing , either of them knowing it together with the other : Therefore the Name 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or conscientia , Conscience , is that thing that combines two together , and makes them Partners in the Knowledge of one and the same secret . — Man by a Gift given him of God knows , together with God , the same things of himself : And this Gift is named Conscience . — It is ( as it were ) a little God , sitting in the middle of Mens Hearts , arreigning them in this Life , as they shall be at the Tribunal of God in the last Judgment . — Power in the Soul , the Property whereof is to take the Principles and Conclusions of the Mind , and apply them , and by applying , either to Accuse or Excuse — I Conscience be lost , it is only in respect of the use thereof , as Reason in a Drunkard , and not otherwise — Conscience is a Thing of a divine Nature , and is a thing placed of God in the midst , between him and Man , as an Arbitrator , to give Sentence and to pronounce either with Man or against Man unto God. Bish . Wilkins's Real Character , Definition of Conscience , It s a Faculty whereby we apply general Principles to particular Cases , being a practical Judgment or Memory , relating to Matters of Duty . The Opposite to it , Unconscionableness , Searedness , Profligateness , &c. These Testimonies give great Honour to Conscience , as the generallity of Professions give to the Men. By them it appears that Insensibility is not Conscience or Conviction ; and the Truth is , unconscionable implyes that conscionable is reasonable , just and good . For our Parts , we believe that God has placed his Witness in every Soul , Heart and Conscience ; and that all Mankind shall be Accused or Excused by it ; they that rebel against it , to them shall it be a Never-Dying Worm ; to them that love and obey it , an Everlasting Comforter . By this hath God awakened and redeemed us from a vain Conversation : T is his ancient Light and Spirit that strove with the old World , and strive with this . To no other Spirit is our Testimony , neither Conscience or Conviction , then that which is according to the Nature of it . And as I can make my Appeal to the Neighbours of I. C. and all other People else-where , if ever our Consciences or Convictions have led us to any such detestable Enormities , as he charges upon our Doctrines and Principle ; and if we have not rather had our Conversation among them in all Gentleness , Sobriety and Honesty ; so do I warn all , to whom this comes , that they judge us not with Unrighteous Judgment , nor readily receive the Reports and Suggestions of prejudiced Men against us and our holy Way . It s no easie thing to Flesh and Blood , for us to live uprightly in the Profession of it : meer Outside , Historical Faith , Large Shews , much Talk for Religion , will not do the Matter , if the Heart remains unsubjected , the affections unmortified , and no Peace with God sealed to the Soul ; Depart from me , will be the last dismal Sentence . Therefore my dear Country-men , Grieve not God's Holy Spirit ; encline your Hearts to his pure Word ; 't is nigh you ( as Rom. 10. ) that you should obey it and do it ; it will reform and regenerate you ; it will create all things new , from an Hard to a Broken Heart , from a Vain to a Contrite Spirit ; new Affections , new Desires , new Love , new Friendship , new Words , new Works , new Customs and Fashions ( not like the World's , that shall pass away , and Vexation of Spirit only remain in lieu of them forever ) Then shall the Peace of God slow into your Souls as a River , and nothing shall ever harm or make you afraid . Truly Friends , a Vain , Worldly , Unwatchful Conversation unrepented of , be your Profession and Church what 〈◊〉 will , will one Day harm and make you afraid ; for God 〈◊〉 Reward all people according to their Works : at that 〈◊〉 Day it will not be Well Talkt , or Well Profest , but WE●● DONE , good and faithful servants ; Why ? Because th●● have kept his holy Sayings ; Remember what Christ Jesus said ( by whom God will judge the Secrets of all Hearts in the Day of Account ) that for every Idle Word which Man speaketh , shall he give an Account in the Day of Judgment . As one that knows the Terrors of the Lord , I would perswade all men to turn to the living God ; For if the Righteous scarcely be saved , where shall the Vngodly and Sinner appear ? for the Kingdom of God stands in Righteousness , Peace and Joy in the holy Ghost ; and Sinners have nothing to do there : Neither think , that you are saved by Christ from Wrath , and not saved from Sin ; or that he has saved you from the Guilt , though the Nature and Acts of Sin remain ; no such can walk with God here ; for they must be translated , changed , renewed ; muchless can they enjoy the Lord hereafter . Wherefore cast about , and see how it is with you ; hearken while it is to day ; your faithful Monitor is in your own Bosom , and Waits and Knocks to be let into your most inward Affection , that he may be your Delight , the prime Object of your Love ; and blessed are they that are not offended in him , but believe in him , and confess him before all men ; the Outside Jew despised him then , the Outside Christian sleights him now ; but blessed be God , this spiritual Appearance of Christ in the Soul , to the Jews ( the Professors ) a Stumbling-block , to the Greeks ( the Wise Men ) Foolishness , is unto us , who have believed therein , the mighty power of God to our Salvation ; and the worst desire I have for you is , That you also may sincerely believe , and when Time with you shall be no more , receive , with all those that in the Self-denying Life of holy Jesus walk , and saint not , to the End of their Dayes , Glory , Honour and Eternal Life , Amen . THE END Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A54213-e80 D. Cave's prim . Christ . Quak New nick Name for Old Christ . pag. 71 , 72. pag. 34. Ed. Bur. pa. 34 , 35. pag. 71 , 72 , 73. a Ought any man to obey what he does not know ? and is not Knowledge Conviction ? I provoke him or any to give me a Scripture for that . But more of this anon ; observe what follows . b The Apostle here does plainly exhort them to make their Conviction on their Rule ; for there was something in them that brought shame over them for their Evil Deeds , the true Light and Spirit , that makes known what of God is to be known in man. c True still ; for Man can't see without Eyes , nor act without Knowledge : But the Question is , What Conviction this is ; the words prove that it is by the Light and Spirit of God ; then the feared Conscience and debancht Mind are I. C. speaketh of plainly excluded ; here I mention the Conviction , and that which works it : What Countenance do either give I. C. tos heap those foul and Impiou Consequences upon me ? d This plain Distinction I made is left out by him , that he might the better have his Ends , and Conceal the Injustice of his Work. c This is a direct Contradiction to his Inference and Allegation , who would have me to hold , that what is in any Case commanded one Man , is not binding upon another , when I limit it to Extraordinary Cases , and just after say , that the Moral Commands of God are obliging upon all , How is it then that I deny the Ten Commandments to belong to all Men , or that I hold , men may Kill , Steal , &c. and not be cullpable ? O disingenuous man ! f This Out living their Day plainly shows , that I excluded seared Consciences ; how then do I make a seared Conscience my Rule of Obedience , or the readiest Way to Salvation ? g Is not this the Language of I. C ? are they not Brethren in Abuse ? h Is not this a plain Distinction ? what could be plainer against any such Consequences as I. C. draws , and to prove that I understood not what he renders me to have intended ? Levit. 19. 18 , 19. i How plentiful are the Evidences of our Innocency ; and how distinctly nay the Reader see that E. B. writ of Particular & Extraordinary Commands ? k Let me pray the Reader , and prevail with him to dwell a while upon this Passage , and do an Innocent Man , yea , an Abused People Justice , Does this plead for Rantism , Atheism , Blasphemy , Murder , &c as I. C. tells us ? l This is the Tendency of his Doctrine , who flyes out upon Conscience and Inward Conviction , as if they were the only great Enemies of his Salvation . m This notable Clause clears our Sense more particularly , and gives a very plain Discovery of our Enemy's Disingenuity . We speak of Positive , J. F. and I. C. conclude our Argument against all moral Commands ; these are Ministers of the Gospel all this while , if they may be believed . Phil. 3. 15. n What sayes my Reader to this Passage and plain Provision , made by me against blinded , deluded and hardened Minds and Consciences ? Does this agree well with my present Adversary's swaggering Consequences , especially that which makes me to deny sins of wilful Ignorance ? What Gospel can a Man so qualified be Minister of ? o This further proves what Conviction as well as what Commands I understood ; and ought to shame my Adversary , if he has any Ingenuity in him , for that ill Vse he has made of my words about Conscience and Conviction . p What sayes I. C. to this ? Is the Conscience and Conviction I make so necessary , a blind , dark , scared Conscience ? Do I leave it there ? Is that the Language of my Doctrine ? Is it not a Conscience convinced and taught by God's holy spirit ? Let what follows and the Three Testimonies be weighed . W. Tindal's Works , pag. 319. p. 80. B. Jew . contr . Hard. p. 53● , 534. T. Coll. Works , p. 247. p. 8. & 9. Joh. 16. 7 , 8. Chap. 15. 24. Rom. 18. 19. Mic. 6. 8. Joh. 1. 5. 9. Ephe. 5. 12 , 13. Joh. 3. 20 , 21. Rom. 10. 2. Acts 18. 22 , 23. p. 11. W. Perk. Works of Consc . p. 512. Heb. 8. p. 8 , 9 , 11. p. 9 , 10. Mic. 6. 8. p. 518. p. 519. Note .