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And let the Peace of God rule in your Hearts , to the which also ye are called in one Body ; and be ye thankful . LONDON : Printed for Tho. Northcott , in George yard in Lumbard-street , 1692. Just Measures IN AN EPISTLE OF PEACE & LOVE , &c. Friends , I Have , with a deep Sense and Sorrow , often beheld the Distance and Dissatisfaction you are under in reference to your ancient and faithful Brethren and that Fellowship , which , I am sure , was once very dear and valuable with you , and I would have the Charity to hope , is what many of you desire still : And , for your sakes that would not willingly think amiss , nor differ , nor divide from those that otherwise you have an Esteem for and are in Judgment one with , as to the Worship and Doctrines of Truth ; I desire to open my Mind , both with tenderness and plainness ; and if what I say has the Voice and Matter of Peace and Love in it , and may be helpful to you , in closing with your Brethren again , I shall greatly rejoice : In which , know this , I seek you not in the words of Man's Wisdom , nor to raise Controversie , nor for Victory , nor any By ends , but for the sake of that precious Fellowship and seamless Garment , in which the Truth cloathed us all in the beginning , and with which it will cloath and comfort all its faithful Servants and true Friends to the end . 1st . I shall begin with the Difference , and what you have both in Conferrence and Writing alledged for the Ground of your Dissatisfaction and Dissent : Next , I shall consider the Nature and Merit of it ; and last of all , give my sence upon the whole matter , in order to a better understanding for the future . That there is a Difference , is but too plain , for it has in some parts proceeded to a Separation , as well to places of Worship as in matters of Discipline . The Ground of this Dissatisfaction , upon which so great a Distance has been raised , you say is , Requiring your Complyance with some Practices relating to Discipline , particularly Womens meetings and coming twice before Men and Womens meetings about Marriages , before they are admitted to be solemnized among us ; some of you thinking , that there is no Service for Womens meetings at all ; others , no Service in their being distinct from Mens meetings , at least , no necessity for either , and therefore no necessary Complyance to be required and insisted upon , but every one left to their liberty in Christ , lest Imposition and Formality should prevail among us , as they have done in other Religious Societies . In this , I think , I have truly and fairly stated the Case on your part , and given your Objection to our Practice , and the reason why you dissent from it . Now Friends , I shall consider the nature and merit of this Dissatisfaction and Dissent , wherein I beseech your Attention , Patience , and Candour , and I hope you will find , that we are clear of the Imposition and Formality you object or fear . In the first place , I do not find that you have any just cause to fear , in general , an infringement on your Christian Liberty , since it has been , and is most sincerely declared by the Brethren , chiefly concerned in the good Order and Service of the Church , that they have no thought or design of imposing any thing upon the Consciences of Friends ; or , that Friends ought to have now any more than at the beginning , any other reason or Measure of Complyance or Conformity in Matters relating to God , than the conviction of the Light and Spirit of Christ in every Conscience . But there is this distinction to be considered well of , That the matters in Difference are not such as require such an Exercise and Conviction of Conscience as is pleaded , because they relate not to Faith or Worship . Did they require Faith , or did they appertain to Worship , as if you were obliged to worship God only in such a Place , Time , Gesture , Raiment , with such words and forms of Speech , &c. which has been the case of the Dissenters from the National Church , your Objection and Plea were good : But this about which your Dissatisfaction arises , is purely Discipline in Government , and not in Worship ; Formality in Order , and not in Religion : It is about methods of regulating our selves , as to the civil or outward part of the Church , as we are a Society ; how we may avoid Disorder , and preserve the Credit of our Society from Censure and Scandal . For instance , To keep the necessitous ; as Poor , Aged , Sick , and Orphans : To reconcile Differences : To take care of Births , Marriages , and Burials : In fine , to prevent , rebuke and restore disorderly walkers . To all which , I conceive , there is no need of an Act of Faith , or other Exercise of Conscience , than , as the Apostle exhorts , to be ready to every good word and work : I mean , here is nothing required to be believed as an Article of Faith ; here is , no Novelty or Formality in Worship introduc'd , or any thing proposed as an End or Service for our Men and Womens meetings , that can reasonably admit of the raising of such a Scruple of Conscience , since the things proposed are Duties that all civil Societies , as well as Church-fellowships , agree in , as requisite to the support of the Reputation of Fellowships and Societies . Now this being the great and true End , Vse , and Service of our Men and Womens meetings , and that 't is the End that always denotes and constitutes the nature of the means , it cannot justly be thought to be of the nature of Imposition and Formality , as the words are commonly taken in an i●l sence ▪ to expect t●e compliance of Members of a Society , to such Methods of Order as the Elders thereof have exhorted to , and the generality of the People have embraced , and which the most considerable part of those that dissent , declare they dissent from , rather for fear of suffering an Enfringement of their Christian Liberty , than any dislike to the Practice it self : I say , this cannot be called or accounted such an Imposition upon Conscience , because they are Expedients of Order and Methods of Rule about things universally agreed upon . The thing will not bear the word ; for instance , Because I may say it is against my Conscience to confess to such an Article or Doctrin of Faith , or to worship God after such a prescribed form , that therefore it would sound reasonable for me to say it is against my Conscience to submit to the Council of the Church for ending of Differences ; and it is against my Conscience , after having once told the Brethren I intend to marry such a Woman , to come again a fortnight , or a month after , to ask if they have informed themselves of mine and the Womans clearness , both towards Parents and other persons , before we solemnize it . Surely this would look to reasonable people an over-tender or an over-righteous , or rather , indeed , an over-free and large Conscience , that would scruple , at twice or thrice publishing the Banns , to prevent undutifulness to Parents and injury to Pre-engagements , when those , we profess to exceed , require in their Communion that it be thrice done . In like manner it would look very strange in me to call a Church-care of circumspect walking up to the religious Principles of the Society , that I have voluntarily embraced , an imposing or over-driving of me . But you object , Why must we go before Women , and why Women apart from Men ? This still , Friends , can be no Imposition , as is before expressed , because it is no Matter of Faith , nor Practice of Worship , but a referring still to our external Order of Life ; And we say , Women as well as Men , because they are concerned , for they are part of the Church of Christ ; and the common Banus that are published in Churches ( so called ) or Markets , exclude not Women to make their Exception any more than Men. But why Women apart , say you ? We think for a very good reason ; the Church encreaseth , which encreases the Business of the Church , and Women , whose bashfulness will not permit them to say or do much as to Church-affairs before the Men , when by themselves , may exercise their Gifts of Wisdom and Understanding in a discreet care for their own Sex , at least ; which makes up not the least part of the Business of the Church , and this while the Men are upon their proper business also . So that as Men and Women make up the Church , Men and Women make up the business of the Church ; and therefore it is very reasonable they should be Helpers together , in doing the Church's business . This way Women are made useful and serviceable in and to the Church , as were the Holy Women of old , that were so much commanded by the Apostle , for Deaconnesses indeed . And , as I said before , their businesses being hereby distinct , two businesses are doing at one and the same time , and consequently , there must needs be a greater dispatch ; which in Country places , and Winter Seasons , where Friends come Ten or Fifteen miles to Meetings , must needs be very convenient and comfortable . I may add , that there are divers things that seem peculiar to Women , that were not fit for Men , and in which Men did and would find themselves often at a loss , which renders their distinct Meetings farther convenient . These are the Reasons and Motives to the present Practice of the Church of Christ , without enfringing Christian Liberty , by compelling Conscience to any matter of Faith or Practice , relating to Worship ; we meaning by our whole Order and Government , no other thing than a careful Eye and Check upon Practice ; an Expediency against Irregularity in Conversation , whether towards them that are without , or those that are within the same Communion , to which the strong will submit for the sake of the weak . My own sence upon this whole matter is , That a misapprehending the Intention of the Brethren , and an undistinguishing zeal against Impositions on the one hand , and a fear on the other side , that those who so mistook and misrendered , the design of the Brethren , were either high-minded and unruly , or prone to undue liberty , or that they not being the first promoters of this Disciplin in Government , detracted from them that were , and so would lessen the Credit and Authority of their Endeavours , with such as were peculiar Favourers ; and that , in fine , their Dissent tended to the breach of Brotherly Love and Vnity in the Church . I say , my sence is , That this on each side , with the heats that followed , perhaps much worse than the thing it self , gave life to the Division that those that fear the Lord have truly mourned for . And since I have hinted the Heats that may have attended the management of this Difference , be not offended that I say , the Difference , through those Heats , is now more in Spirit than Fact , in Mind than Matter : It is come in Fact to this ; Whether the care of Conversation should belong to Women as well as Men , especially relating to their own Sex , the Women being so great a part of the Church : And over this , I think , you are got for the most part . 2. Whether the Women may meet separately from the Men ? And for answer to this , be pleased to take notice of your own unavoidable Concessions : You allow Meetings of Care in general , and do not deny Women absolutely their share among the Men , and that particular Members must be accountable to the Society they are of , in point of Conversation , according to the Rules embraced by the said Society . I say , you own the end , you allow the means , you referr the choice of your means to the Society , and you , as well as we , expect a compliance with those Rules . Then the Question is , Whether infact Womens meetings be a part of that Discipline the Church admits of ? And it is evident , that the Church of God does , generally speaking , receive and practise it , with satisfaction and advantage . I would therefore beseech you , Friends , to ponder in your minds , upon what a narrow point your Distance stands , and that the main and tender point is allowed you , viz. Conscience is free , and unconcern'd in the Question ; and the visible Ground of Distance being so small , weigh with your selves by what has been , what may be the consequence of this lamentable Breach . I am as much for Liberty as any man ; I ever was so , and hope I ever shall be for it ; but we must refer it to a proper Object , or we shall abuse what we do so much prize , and pervert one of the greatest Priviledges we can pretend to . I do not mean , by the Liberty we are to resign to the Benefit of Society , That which is private or personal ; no , this does not enter into private or personal Liberty , concerning which , the Apostles taught us to bear , and not offend one another ; as about Meats and Drinks : I may add Clothes , Houses , Trades , &c. so as there be no Excess , for that is every where wrong : These things regard not Society , but a man's self , and his private Liberty alone . What is it to the Society , what or when I eat , what sort of Clothing I wear , or House I live in , or Trade I will be of , so as Excess or Uncomeliness be avoided ? This is still in my own power , and many like things , hard to be numbred , about which Society is not in the least concerned , nor in which any Member of it is interrupted , or called in question . In the next place , we do also all agree , that Faith must not be forced nor Worship constrained , for that grates upon Conscience , which God only can effectually enlighten or rightly perswade . But that bears not upon our Question , as I said before ; for the compliance desired in it is about Order , not Faith , and that not about Worship , but Conversation , in which if you submit your Liberty , it is for the Good of Society , and you have the Returns of in the Benefit and Comfort thereof . Do you serve or take care of others , that before were free of that Engagement ? Others also are tryed by the same Rules , to serve and be concerned for you , that formerly owed you no obligation ; and if you are under the Notice and Reproof of others , as to your personal Conduct , they are equally under yours upon occasion ; so that you lose nothing but what you get , nor give nothing but what you receive again , and to a right Spirit and a good Mind this mutual Service will appear reasonable , christian , and requisite . And as in no Age the Resister and Gainsayers of Care and Order , in any of the Lord 's eminent Servants , have passed without the mark of God's Rebuke ; so those that have contested and opposed the Wisdom of God in his faithful Servants , have ever failed of their Purpose , and been finally manifested to have been lead by a wrong Spirit . And as observable it is , that those by whom the Lord has eminently appeared , and who were the first Instruments of his several Dispensations to the Sons of Men , have alwaies exercised that Authority among the People they have gathered , and have been constantly preserved from falling away , though some or other have rise against them with that clamour , as if they had set up themselves , and were gone from what they taught or were , and took too much upon them . But , what have they all come to ? Read and Judge . Nor was it ever heard of in the Dealings of GOD with the Sons of Men , that he varied or changed his Dispensations in the Life-time of the Instruments of any of them , as some have been ready to imagine , nor yet in that Age in which he has brought them forth : Which engages me to beseech you , in the Bowels of the Love of Christ our only Root of Life and Light , and Love and Peace , that you be like minded with your Friends and Brethren , and see that the Life and the Fellowship of the Truth be preserved in the enjoyment and practice of Fellowship ; which will be , if the love of God , which first made us love one another , be kept in , for that is a sovereign Antidote against all the Poyson of Discontent , evil Jealousie , and the Divisions that are wont to follow . And instead of reproaching our Elders and Brethren , whom God has honoured , and whom we have honoured , and could have laid down our Lives for , and who know nothing by themselves , but that they are as true to the Lord , and in as good a condition in the Truth as ever they were , and have done , and intended in what they have done , as much the Benefit of the Lord's People I say , instead of reproaching them with Vsurping Authority , and taking too much upon them , let us consider , that those whom we have received with so much reverent Love , and as worthy of double Honour in the greater things , are not unworthy to be heard and followed by us in lesser matters : Let us regard and value their Care , and love them for it . So true is that Saying among Men , That is well spoken which is well taken , that the Bent and Purpose of a Man's Spirit is that which gives the Just reason of acceptance or rejection . You have , dear Friends , judged too much after an outward appearance , and , you may see , not truly there neither . Open therefore your Hearts , your Souls , and Spirits , and taste with the divine sense of the tender and meek Truth , the aim and end of Brethren : Herein be a little more truly free and universal in your Minds , and you will perceive this Care has a large and a long Prospect for Good. The due exercise of your spiritual Senses will answer all your Objections , and satisfie every upright Soul among you ; but if you look out , mistake Liberty , mistake Imposition , mistake Formality , mistake the nature and end of things , and the Intention of your ancient Friends and Brethren in them , you will judge carnally , and be ready to think as it outward Rule and Lordliness were aimed at , and a departing from the Truth , even whilst our Care , in the sight of the Lord , is for the Honour of it , in reference to the young , the weak , and such as may be careless , and ready to fall asleep ; for such some yet are , and such are yet like to be ; and for their sakes a Discipline , as to Conversation , must be , as well as that there are natural Infirmities , as Sickness Age , &c. that unavoidably call for it . Nor did or can ever any Community subsist without it ; and the Heats , Prejudice , and Rents that have arisen about the How or Manner of it , shew the Opposition not to be right , nor of a good tendency ; the end of that Order , in the Minds and Hands of those from whence we joyfully received the Testimony of the Truth , being the Glory of God , and Good of his People , as a Primitive Christian Society . To conclude ; As this is not a Plea for Imposition nor Forms of Worship , but Forms of Discipline , as to the Government and Behaviour of our selves in our Converse both with those that are without and those that are within , and that there is no visible Communion or Society in this World of Bodies , but what is subject to them , and must in some sort subsist by them ; I beseech you , that we , as becomes a reasonable and modest People , and as dear Children , may be of one Heart , and one mind , and walk together as those that have been Partakers of one Life , and that have drank into one Spirit ; for , it is a comely thing to see Brethren walk together in Love. O Friends , let us labour against secret Animosities , watchings for Evil , Detractation , the Sin that flung the Angels out of their Heavenly Station : Let us see to our own Spirits , how they are , if meek , lowly , humble , tender , by which the true and preserving Judgment is only known and felt ; or , if not high , fierce , hard , and prejudiced ; for a man may come to lose a good frame of Spirit upon very Trifles . It is not alwaies what the Matter is the Dispute arises upon , but how far the thing is espoused , and what place a man suffers it to have in his Mind : If Jealousie , Reputation , Revenge , or Contradiction prevail , Division must follow : Some are apt to resent things too soon , and carry it too far , even to Obstinacy , through the Workings of the Evil One in a Mystery ; so that though the pretence of the Quarrel may be some Fact or other , yet that has the least share oftentimes in the Difference , it being enflamed and encreased by the mysterious workings of the Spirit of Strife and Variance in the Mind , according to an old Saying , The greatest Feuds oftentimes arise from the slightest Causes . Let me beseech and prevail with you to read and weigh the Bent and Force of the Apostle's Spirit in Rom. 12. also 14. 19. & 15. 4 , 5 , 6. and especially 16. 16 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 20 Verse . Likewise . 1 Cor. 14. 32 , 33. weighty places indeed . 2 Cor. 13. Ephes . 4. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4. Phil. 3. 16 , 17 , 18. ch . 4. 8 , 9. Col. 3. 12 , 14 , 15 , 16. 1 Thes . 5. 12 , 13 , 14. 2 Thes . 3. 4 , 5 , 6. He often commands Order and Obedience to the Apostolick Tradition in this Epistle , Tit. 1. 15. ch . 2. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7. Heb. 13. 1. And , 1 Pet. 4. 8. All which exhort to Peace , Brotherly Kindness , to be of one mind , to study one thing . O follow the things that make for Peace , and not to contend , dispute , and strive one with another . A blessed Doctrin , and it has a blessed Reward . The Lord God Almighty dispose your Minds , my Friends , to a tender returning state , and frighten not your selves with Designs ( of the Brethren ) that have no Being , but in Jealousie and Misapprehension : I beseech you , in the Lord , lay down every Mark or Ensign of Difference or Separation , and behold our Arms as open as ever , to receive you , and let your Heart be as our Heart , and then our Meetings your Meetings : Let the Fear and Awe of the Lord , the becoming love of his precious Truth , which is Christ in us , the Hope of our Glory , who gave himself for us , to redeem us from the Enmity , Death , and Curse Disobedience had laid us under , melt and cement us as one lump ; Flesh of Flesh , and Bone of Bone ; so shall our Joy exceed our Sorrow , and Tears be wiped from our Eyes on this occasion ; and GOD our exceeding Great and Glorious Rewarder , be our Crown , Portion , and Diadem for ever . Yours , In and for the Truth , G. P.