A brief answer to a false and foolish libel called The Quakers opinions for their sakes that writ it and read it / by W.P. Penn, William, 1644-1718. 1678 Approx. 53 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 14 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-12 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A54109 Wing P1259 ESTC R26862 09570554 ocm 09570554 43652 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. 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Copies of the texts have been issued variously as SGML (TCP schema; ASCII text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable XML (TCP schema; characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless XML (TEI P5, characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or TEI g elements). Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Quakers opinions. Society of Friends -- Apologetic works. 2005-07 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-08 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-09 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2005-09 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A Brief ANSWER TO A False and Foolish LIBELL , CALLED , The QVAKERS Opinions , For their sakes that Writ it and Read it . By W. P. Being Defamed , we Entreat , 1 Cor. 4. 13. Printed in the Year 1678. Sober Reader , THe end of Controversie with good men , is the Advancement of the Truth ; with ill men , of themselves and their base Interests ; in all which God is Judge , who judgeth righteously , and will reward every one according to their works , nor doth his Judgment slumber . Most Parties in Europe boast themselves of being Christians , an excellent Character indeed ; but the worst is , there is little more then a Boast in it . I am not incharitable ; I have first judged my self . Let none deceive themselves . To be like Christ , is to be a Christian , and not else ; and Christians are in Concord ; for Christ is not divided , neither is that Body , of which he is truly Head , at Variance ; how much Discord , so much Degeneracy from God ; for he is one , and so are those that are born of him ; the Children of God are not divided , because one and the same holy Spirit leads them . That which is the Guide of one , is the Guide of all ; and by this shall it be known who are Gods Children , if they bring forth the Fruits of his divine Spirit , which , saith the Apostle , are these , Love , Joy , Peace , Long-suffering , Gentleness , Goodness , Faith , Meekness , Temperance , against such there is no Law. And they , sayes he , that are Christs have crucified the Flesh , with the Affections and Lusts ; this only will avail in the great Judgment of the Lord. Therefore I beseech all vain Contenders to consider of their own Standing , what their Work is , who Employes them , and what their Wages will be . Tell me thou vain Disputer and Vitious Liver , what is Religion without Holy Love ? what is Faith without Good Works ? what is Worship without Godly Fear and Christianity , without true Self-denyal ? it is not he that cryes , Lord , Lord , but he that does the Will of my Father , said Christ , shall be accepted . There is a great talk of mans Laps in Adam , and Restoration in Christ , but they serve only for a sound with too many : For did people sincerely believe that they are fallen from true Love , Meekness , Patience , Humility , Mercy , Justice , Purity , &c. and did they but consider , that they are not restored to those Heavenly Qualifications , but that they live in fleshly lusts of one sort or other , some in Voluptuousness , others in Envy ; and therefore not really restored or redeemed by Christ , nor truly in a state of Salvation , but in peril of eternal Misery , certainly they would not pass away their little span of precious time in so much worldly Pleasure , neglect of God , and Carelesness of the other World , if they have any the least hope of it . Reader , the Petulancy of some Adversary or other has given occasion for this little Treatise : The design of which is both to reprove him , and to hinder others from being abused by him , that so the Innocency of a People , whom God hath raised by his own Power and Wisdom to glorify him in their Bodies Souls and Spirits ( which are his ) may be delivered from the mistakes of his Ignorance , and the reflections of his Malice . And truly , my servent Prayers to Almighty God are , that he would yet more and more send forth his Light and his Truth to inform the Understandings , and overcome the Hearts of all People , that they may experimentally know the Redemption of their Sou's from the prevalency of Sin , and the power of the God of this World's Lusts by the Blood of Jesus , who is the Lamb of God that takes away the Sin of the World ; then shall Love , Faith and Holiness encrease , and all Unrighteousness come to an End , Amen . W. P. AN ANSWER TO A False and Foolish Libel , CALLED , The QVAKERS Opinions . OPINION I. THe Quakers deny the Authority of holy Scriptures , as the Rule of Faith and Practice unto Christians . Answer , This we flatly deny , and charge our Adversary to make it good in terminis , in so many words , or retract his Charge . For the Authority of the Scripture is the Spirit ‖ and Power of God , which we say is our Rule and Guide , as it was the Rule of the holy Men of God both before the Scriptures were written , and when they spoke and writ them . And to say we deny it to be our Rule , is to say we deny our own Principle , for owning of which you are angry with us . Moses is taken on all hands to have been the first Penman of Sacred Story , and that we cannot rise higher then his time for Scripture , consequently then the Scripture must take date ; but who will deny that Abel had a Rule to worship God by , Enoch to walk with God by , Noah to preach by , Abraham , Isaac and Jacob to believe by ? if they had none , say so ; if they had , what was it , if not the Spirit of Truth and Holiness , that strove with the old World , but was resisted ? And if the Spirit of God was the Rule of Faith , Worship and Practice then , have we got another Rule in the room of it now ? No such matter ; those that loved & feared God in all Ages were ruled and guided by the Spirit of God ; & though many Helpers have been afforded men by the Father of Mercies and Lights , yet still the Spirit of Truth is the great Rule in and through them all . This is the Rule of all Rules , as God is the Light of all Lights ; yea , this is that Rule of the New Creature ; for the walking of the true Christian is in and after the Spirit ; yea , 't is the Mark of being a Child of God to be led and guided by the Spirit of God , this is the Scripture's Testimony . There is no Condemnation to those that walk not after the Flesh , but after the Spirit ; and as many as are led by the Spirit of God , are the Sons of God. The Argument is plain , and altogether as unanswerable ; That which is to lead Christians , is to rule Christians ; but the Spirit of Truth is to LEAD CHRISTIANS , consequently the SPIRIT OF TRUTH is to RULE CHRISTIANS . So that to deny that the Spirit of Truth is the Guide and Rule of Christians , is to gainsay the Testimony of Scripture , and the very Tenure and Nature of the second , new and everlasting Covenant of Life and Salvation ; for in that state the Law is writ in the Heart , and the Fear and Spirit put in the inward Part ; and what for , if not to rule and guide the Soul in the Path of Life ? To conclude , As the Spirit of Truth revealed to the Prophets things to come , and was a Rule to them in discerning , receiving , declaring and writing those things , so is the same Spirit of Truth the Rule and guide to all God's People in their reading and understanding of them now written ? and blessed are they that read with a good Understanding . And that the Simplicity of none may be abused , we declare , as we have frequently done , that the Scriptures of Truth were given forth by the holy men of God , as they were moved by the Spirit of God ; and that they are a Rule , yea , an Excellent Rule for Instruction , Reproof and Doctrine , and all true Christians ought to embrace and practice the holy Mind and Will of God thereby declared . And they are those that truly and substantially deny the Scriptures , who in Words own them , but in Works deny them , and in their Conversations walk not according to the godly Rules therein contained ; such are Whoremongers , Fornicators , Drunkards , Lyars , Back-biters , Slanderers , such as the Author or Authors of this Impious Libel , Envious Persons , Rioters , Sporters , Vain Persons , Lovers of Pleasures more then Lovers of God : These and such like are they that deny the Authority of holy Scripture ; yet as the Devil used Scripture against Christ , so do his Children use Scripture at this day against the Disciples of Christ . OPINION II. The Quakers deny the Resurrection of the Body . Answ . The Quakers deny no Resurrection , that is according to Scripture ; we own the Resurrection both of the Just and Unjust ; and that our Adversaries shall know one day to their Confusion , if they repent not . And as the Charge is laid down , we literally deny it , and require our Adversaries to prove it : for we declare to all people , we own the Resurrection of the Body according to the Pleasure of God : and every Seed shall have its own Body ; and Wo to the Wicked in that day . OPINION III. The Quakers deny the Person of Jesus Christ . Answ . If by Person of Christ is meant the Man Christ Jesus , we deny the Charge ; for there is no other Name given under Heaven , by which Salvation can be obtained . 'T is Christ alone that hath brought Life and Immortality to light : he is the Propitiation , the Mediator and Intercessor ; and by him only can man come to God : and no man can come to him but such as come to his Spirit in their own Hearts . And such as have not the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them , are none of his . And these are they that deny Christ , that deny his Cross , break his Law , and live not according to his Example , who is meek and lowly , pure and undefiled , and separated from all Sinners . So that the Antichrists of our dayes are those that live according to the Lusts of the Eye , the Lusts of the Flesh , and Pride of Life , without God in the World , that is , without a sense of God upon their Hearts : but their Minds run after the things that are seen , which are temporal , neglecting the things that are eternal . And though such may profess Christ in words , yet it shall be said unto them in the great Day of Account , Depart from me ye that work Iniquity . I would have our foolish and envious Adversaries look at home , and prepare for the Day of their Account to God , and leave off their Envy and Bitterness , and mind God's Fear , which will teach them to be meek and loving , sober and vertuous , that they may provide for their Latter-end : For pure Religion stands not in accusing and slandering , reviling and persecuting , but in keeping unspotted of the World ; for they who are of the World , are not of Christ ; they who love the Pride , Pleasures , Honours and Lusts of this World deny Christ , they are the Antichrists indeed ; for Christ saith , I am not of this World , neither is my Kingdom of this World , nor are his Followers of this World , therefore it is the World hates them ; but not under the Name of Christ's Disciples , Christians or Children of God , by no means ; for such the World nominally owns ; but as Hereticks ; Blasphemers , and the like , which hath alwayes been the Devil's Policy : For the Woolf with the Sheeps-skin on him , has in every Age been worrying the Sheep that hath been covered with the Wolf's-skin ; such have called Light Darkness , and Darkness Light. OPINION IV. The Quakers hold , that the Light in every man is a sufficient Guide unto Salvation . Answ . This is unfairly laid down ; but we say , that the Light of Christ in every man is a sufficient Guide to Salvation ; and who dares deny it ? I am the Light of the World , faith Christ , they that follow me shall not walk in Darkness , but have the Light of Life . And saith John , If we walk in the Light , the Blood of Jesus Christ shall cleanse us from all Unrighteousness . And it was the Doctrine in old time , The Path of the Just is as the shining Light , that shines more and more unto the perfect Day . And the Prophet Isaiah prophetically writes of the latter dayes thus , Come , let us walk in the Light of the Lord , and by the same Prophet saith the Lord , I will give thee ( Christ ) for a Light to the Gentiles , that thou may'st be my Salvation to the ends of the Earth . And the Apostle Paul had that good Opinion of the Light , that he advised the Saints of old , to put on the Armour of Light , that they might walk honestly as in the day , not in Rioting and Drunkenness , not in Chambering and Wantonness , not in Strife and Envy ; but put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ , and make not Provision for the Flesh , to fulfil the Lusts thereof . And it is nothing else , but the old Jewish Darkness , that spurns against the Light of Christ in our day : for the same Spirit that rejected that Light , Grace and Truth , with which he was filled in the day of his Bodily Appearance , is the same that resists and sleights that Light , Truth and Grace , which from his Fulness is distributed to the Children of men ; but as it was then , so it is now the Condemnation of the World , that Light is come into the World , and that men love Darkness rather then Light , and the Reason is plain , because their Deeds are Evil. Every thing loves its like . OPINION V. They hold that Perfection is attainable in this Life . Answ . This also is not fairly laid down , being without distinction ; and did not Compassion to the well-minded incline me to deliver our Judgment in these matters , I would have put our Adversary upon the proof of his Assertions , without giving him the least help by a sight of our true Principles , till he had first seen and acknowledged his own Ignorance and Inadvertency . We own Perfection according to the Scriptures ; Walk thou before me , said God to Abraham , and be thou perfect : who dare quibble this into an Imperfection ? or who dare charge God with commanding what was impossible to be done ? Noah was a just man , and perfect in his Generation , and Noah walked with God ; so did Enoch . Job also was a perfect man , and upright , one that feared God and eschewed evil . This Christ exhorted his Disciples to , Be ye therefore PERFECT even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect . This also the Apostle Paul prayes for , That they might be sanctified THROUGHOUT , in Body , Soul and Spirit . Again thus , And the very God of Peace sanctifie you WHOLELY ; and I pray God your Spirit , and Soul , and Body be preserved BLAMELESS unto the Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ . Yet further , Till we all come in the Unity of the Faith , and of the Knowledge of the Son of God unto a PERFECT man. Again , That the Man of God may be PERFECT . And to the Hebrews saith the Author of that Epistle , Let us go on to PERFECTION ; and once more in the same Epistle he saith , The God of Peace make you PERFECT in every good Work to do his Will. This also was the Apostle Peter's Prayer for the holy Strangers scattered throughout Pontus , Gall●tia , Cappadocia , Asia and Bythinia , The God of all Grace , who hath called us into his eternal Glory by Christ Jesus , make you PERFECT . I will conclude with the Doctrine of the Beloved Disciple , that lay in his Lord's Bosome , and can give a better account of his Mind and Doctrine then any of our Adversaries can do , thus , If we walk in the Light as ( God ) is in the Light , we have fellowship one with another , and the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all Sin. Again , I write unto you Young Men , because ye have OVERCOME the Wicked One. Again , Whosoever abideth in Christ , SINNETH not ; whosoever is born of God , doth NOT COMMIT SIN ; for his Seed remaineth in him , and hē CANNOT SIN , because he is born of God. Again , If we love one another , God dwelleth in us , and his Love is PERFECTED in us ; God is Love , and he that dwelleth in Love dwelleth in God , and God in him : Herein is our Love made PERFECT , that we have Boldness in the day of Judgment , because as he is , so ARE WE in this World. What say Rioters and Envious Persons to this , such as revile , waste and destroy their Neighbours for the Exercise of a peaceable Conscience ? Doth the Love of God abide in them ? are they like unto the God of Love in this World ? can they hope for his Mercies in that World which is to come , who are cruel and abusive to their honest Neighbours in this ? But more of that another time . Yet again , Whosoever is born of God overcometh the World , and sinneth not ; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself that the Wicked One toucheth him not . What think the Enemies of Perfection to this ? To Conclude , They that deny Perfection from Sin , deny the End of Christ's Coming , if this beloved Disciple may be Judge ; for saith he , Christ was manifested to take away our Sins ; and whosoever abideth in him , sinneth not : for this purpose the Son of God was manifested , that he might destroy the Works of the Devil ; and whatsoever is born of God , doth not commit Sin. And without Offence let me say , Our Adversaries may better employ themselves , then to turn Advocates for the Devil and his Kingdom , as they seem to do , by charging the Doctrine of Perfection upon the Quakers as an Evil Opinion ; for no man in his Wits can believe they intend us any Reputation or Credit when they set the Mark of Perfection upon our Creed . But is it not a great shame that men , who profess themselves to be Christians , the Disciples of that self-denying Jesus , should make their Lord's Office our Reproach , and the End of his blessed Coming a Mark of Heresie ? Why , Was he sent but to save ? and how does he save , if people must necessarily live in Sin , that eternally loseth them , and to save them from which he is come ? And thou shalt call his Name Jesus , said the Angel , because he shall save his People from their Sins . Alas what have Men to be saved from , if not from sin ? for sin set aside , man is good , and all his good ; if then sin loses men Heaven and Happiness , men must be saved from it , on they will be eternally lost ; for in that state Christ will profit them nothing . To the Quotations I shall make a brief Return . The first Quotation ; G. Whitehead saith , That the Light within must be God , because to deny it so to be , is to deny the Omnipresence of God. To what is here alledged , this brought to disrepute our Holy Religion , I answer , That this Adversary has not told us whether they were words spoken or written : if spoken , where be the Witnesses ? if written , where is the Book or Paper ? However , the words are not indefensible ; For God is Light , and in him is no Darkness at all ; and he is Omnipresent , therefore in man : and in him we live , move and have our being , yea , more especially ; for it is he that searcheth the Heart , and tryeth the Reins , and that telleth unto man his Thoughts . Upon whom , said one of old , doth not his Light arise ? To the second Quotation , viz. It is damnable Heresie to deny the worshipping the Measure of Light in every man. And that the Spirit which God breathed in Adam , was not Man's Spirit , but another ; the Breath of our Nostrils , the Anointed Lord ; this is that true Light which lighteth every man that comes into the World : see Rob. West's Book , called , Damnable Heresies discovered , p. 6. I answer , 1st , That I have not the Book cited , or cannot find , 2dly , That the Man is not entirely in Society with us , but there has been some Dissatisfaction in the Minds of our Friends about him in several respects , and particularly this Book was not received or printed by us . Yet lastly , I know not but many good things may be in it ; but if in any thing it be unsound , it will not lie at our Door : nor do I believe that the Passage it self may not be vindicated , and that by Authority of Reason , Scripture and the Consent of Ancient and Modern Authors . I will only say , that every Appearance of God is God ; the Light that comes from God is God ; for God is Light , and God cannot be divided from himself , and the word Measure of Light relates to our capacity , that receive and know only by Measure , and not to God , who , properly speaking , is immeasurable . And true it is , that the Breath God breathed into Adam was Divine , if the learned Rabbies Commentators on that Scripture be of any credit , as may be seen in my Rejoynder to Iohn Faldo ; for a meer humane Soul could not make Adam live to God , much less make him the Image of his Creator . And if it was the Divine Life , I hope none will question if that Life be Christ , who says expresly of himself , I am the Way , the Truth , and the Life ; who also says , I am the Light of the World ; and this is Iohn's Testimony , In the Word ( that made all things ) was Life , and that Life is the Light of men ; and his ( says he ) is that true Light which enlightens every man that comes into the World. So much to that Passage . To the third Quotation , out of G. Fox and R. Hubberthorn's Book , called , Truth 's Defence , pag. 101. I answer . 1st , That the Quoter has wrong'd the Passage , and falsified the Book ; for there is that quoted which is not there . The words are these , as given by our Adversary in the Name of G. F. and R. H. We do deny the Scriptures to be the word of God , and also to be a Standing Rule ; and that it is dangerous for ignorant People to read them : see Fox and Hubberthorn , in Truth 's Defence , pag. 101. I answer , All these words [ We do deny the Scriptures to be the Word of God , and also to be a standing Rule ] are not to be found there , they are added ; which is a great piece of injustice ; for the last part , which lies as if we would deny that ignorant people should read the Scriptures , hear the words themselves : Query . The Priest asks , Whether the Scripture being carnal , and the Letter killing , as you ( Quakers ) say , we may read them without Danger ? To this G. Fox and R. Hubberthorn answer : The Letter which killeth is dangerous ; for thou takest it her to war with against the Saints with thy carnal Mind and Expositions — Again thus , Here you read with Dānger , who speak of them , and speak a Lye ; and its dangerous to read that and make a Trade of that which the Prophets , Christ and the Apostles spoke forth freely ; and you wrest the Scriptures to your Destruction ; and to you 't is dangerous to read , &c. Now let all people of Cander , yea , common Sense judge , if this sort of reading and using the Scripture be not dangerous : thus the Pharisees and Iews used the Scripture against Christ . But does this give ground to our Adversary to say , We hold it dangerous for ignorant people to read the Scripture , because we say that a Covetous , Persecuting or Malicious End or Use of Scripture is dangerous ? O the perversion that is made of the words and sense of this passage ! the Lord forgive him or them that deal thus with us . Hear what the same page says , But I say , Blessed is he that doth read and doth understand . This I have else where observed more at large . To the fourth Passage , viz. That J. N. in answer to the Iews says , It is the Devil that contends for the Scriptures to be the Word of God. I can say the less because I have not the Book out of which it is pretended to be quoted . But certain it is , that the Devil , that loves not the very Form of Godliness , but to exalt it against the Power , and shelter himself for a Saint , has more then once on the same score pleaded for the scripture against Christ , and the letter against the spirit ; not that he loveth the Scripture , or that the Scripture opposeth either Christ or the Spirit , but that he hath subtilly used the very Scripture , as little as he loves it , both to tempt and oppose even Christ himself . This is plain in his tempting Christ in Scripture-Language , and in the Persecutions of the Iews both against Christ and his Disciples , for which they urged Scripture ; they relyed upon them for Life eternal , and not upon Christ ; him they set at nought then , as much as the false Christians sleight his Light now . And it was Christ's Complaint then , In them you think ( said he ) to have eternal Life , but you will not come unto me that you may have Life . Thus the outward Iew set up the scripture against Christ in the flesh , and thus the outward Christian sets up the scripture against Christ in the spirit , or in his spiritual appearance in the soul , insomuch that a man runs the hazard of being proclamed a Blasphemer that speaks but of Christ within , yet it is express Scripture ; and of being stigmatized for an Heretick that calls Christ only that Word of God , to whom only that Name is given in the Evangelical Writings , though at the same time a man confess the holy Scriptures to be given forth by Divine Inspiration , and that they are the Words of God. That the Word is his Name John will be our Warrant in the beginning of his History ; and that his Name is called the Word of God Iohn also affirms in his Revelation . I will end with this , that Luke the Evangelist in his Dedication of his History to his excellent Theophilus , now part of the sacred Scripture , calls it , A Declaration of those things that were most surely believed among them , and not the Word of God. We take him for our Pattern ; when he is confuted , it will be time enough for us to confess our Mistake . To the fifth Quotation , viz. that G. Fox says , The Soul is part of God , of his Being , without Beginning , and Infinite , Gr. Mystery , p. 68 , 9● , 29. I answer briefly : That G. F. speaks of the Divine Soul , or Life of Man , that comes from God , by which Man liveth to God , so Augustine calls it , anima animae , the Soul of the Soul , or Life of man's Soul ; so Rabbi Nunchmanni and Hiskuni , in the Comment of Paulus Fagius take it , saying , it s of the Being of God , his own Breath . This is without Beginning , respecting God , and Infinite ; or without End , respecting Man. Where is the Heresie of this ? To the sixth Quotation out of the Works of G F. junior , viz. We own the Scriptures as a true Declaration of the Saints Conditions . I answer , The Allegation is frivolous on the side of our Adversary ; for he doth not deny what G. F. asserts , nor does G. F. deny but that there are many Scriptures which are Promissary , Threatning and Prophetick ; does our owning the Scriptures to be an account of the Experiences of the Saints of God of old time , exclude any farther Character ? or say that they are no more ? What! have people lost their senses , or must any thing serve to blemish Quakers ; What Injustice is here ? For shame do as you would be done by . To the seventh Passage , alledged out of Geo. Whitehead's Apology , pag. 49. viz. That what is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures , yea and greater . I answer in G. W's own words , which are these , That which was spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any is of as great Authority as the Scriptures or Chapters are , and greater , as proceeding immediately from that Spirit , as Christ's words were of greater Authority when he spoke then the Pharisees reading the Letter ; and they and their speaking we deny : thi● ▪ ●ays he , was my Answer . Now I appeal to the just Witness of God in every Conscience , if this Adversary was not very disingenuous to take no notice of this Distinction : for , in short , two things are in our Friend's words ; first , That what comes from the same Spirit of Truth , is of the same Authority ; and who denies that ? no body that is in his senses . Next , That what is spoken by the immediate Motion , Life and Power of the Spirit , is of more Authority ( that is , Force and Efficacy to move , quicken , enliven or operate upon the Hearers ) then the bare reading of a Chapter in the Scripture , especially by such as the Pharisees were , as a Letter cannot give that Impression which we may justly suppose the lively Presence , Mind and Voice of the Person that writ it might . But the End of our Adversary plainly is this , to make us undervalue the Truth of the Scripture , and to debase the Authority of the Scripture with relation to its Verity ; as if what was said now by the Spirit of Truth in any godly Man , were more true then that which was spoken by the same Spirit in former ages , which is a gross suggestion . The difference lying in these two things ; ●st , Whether Christ's words , spoken by his own Mouth , were not of greater force , vigour and authority to influence or quicken an Auditory , then the same words written and now read . 2dly , Whether the words of Christ , when spoken by his own Mouth , were not of more Life and Authority then the Scriptures read by the Pharisees . The first is true , and much more the last : let this Adversary then be ashamed of his Injustice . Christ said of the words that he spoke , The words that I speak , they are Spirit , and they are Life ; that is , 〈◊〉 they proceeded from his gracious Lips , and as they were uttered from that Divine Power , Glory and Authority which dwelt in him . To the eighth Quotation , That Richard Stubbs a Quaker should say , That the Christ born of the Virgin , and that dyed at Jerusalem , was a False Christ , and an Antichrist . I answer , There was never any such man a Quaker that I know of , nor did ever any owned by us utter so horrid a Blasphemy ; we detest allsuch Impiety : besides , the story I suppose came out of an idle Pamphlet , printed about seven years since by a foolish Person in London , to get Money ; a Fiction like to that of the Island of Pines , &c. But if true , where 's the Witnesses ? shall the SAY-SO or Authority of an Enemy prevail ? what must any stuff serve to bedirt the Quakers , no matter what , nor from whom ? There is a Righteous God that will have the Judgment of these things . To the nineth Passage cited out of G. F's Great Mystery , pag. 206. viz. If there be any other Christ then he that is crucified within , he is a False Christ . I answer , I have not the Book by me , but I will stand by the Passage ; for either there is no such thing as a Christ within , or if there be , there must be two Christs ; or lastly , it is the same Christ that suffered without , which is also crucified by sin within . Now I leave our Adversary to chuse which of these three he will accept of . Is there no Christ within ? or is there two Christs , one within , and another without ? or is there but one Christ both without and within ? chuse him whether . But I would tell our Adversary , that a Christ was revealed in Paul , and forming in the Hearts of the Galatians , and was in the holy Antients the Hope of Glory , and so he is in his People in this day , blessed be the Name of the Lord. Yea , 't was the Apostolical Exhortation . Examine your selves , whether ye be in the Faith , prove your own selves : know ye not your own selves , how that Jesus Christ is in you , except ye be Reprobates . So that such as deny Christ within are out of the Apostolical Faith , and Reprobates . It was both Christ's Promise and Prayer ; for sayes he to his Disciples , Let not your Hearts be troubled ; ye believe in God , believe also in me . I will not leave you comfortless , I will come to you , I will come again . Yet a little while and the World seeth me no more , but ye see me : Because I live , ye shall live also : At that day ye shall know , that I am in my Father , and you in me , and I in you . That Christ prayed for this Fellowship is as clear ; Neither pray I for these alone , but for them also which shall believe on me through their word ; that they all may be one , as thou Father art in me , and I in thee , that they also may be one in us , that the World may believe that thou hast sent me : and the Glory which thou gavest me I have given them , that they may be one even as we are one . I IN THEM , and they in me , that they may be made perfect in one : And that the World may know , that thou hast sent me , and hast loved them , as thou hast loved me . O Righteous Father ! the World hath not known thee , but I have known thee , and these have known that thou hast sent me ; and I have declared unto them thy Name , and will declare it , that the Love wherewith thou hast loved me , may be in them , and I IN THEM . This is the Blessedness of the Righteous , even in this World , the true Disciples of Jesus , that forsake all for his Name , that take up his Cross daily to their vain Affections and Lusts , and boldly confess him before all men by a Life of true Self denyal . O that all people would receive him into their hearts , that is , into their Love & Affection . : Behold he stands at the Door and knocks ; shut not thy Door upon him ; let him in , entertain him in thy Soul , that he may wash thee & cleanse thee by his own spirit , & by his own water , & by his own blood , that bear witness for him on Earth , and these three are but one ; then shall the Love of God abound in thy Soul towards God and towards thy Neighbour ; this is Christianity indeed : and the truth is , 't is want of Christ being known more within people , to purge their Hearts , and purifie their Consciences , that so much Vanity & Ungodlines are to be found among Christians : People can let the Devil be within them , but they will not allow Christ to be within them . But I would ask them and you , How the strong Man of Sin must be bound , that keeps the House ( the Heart ) and his Works destroyed , if Christ , the stronger then he , have not entrance and sway in the Conscience ? for this know , that from within proceed Evil Thoughts , Murders , Adulteries , Fornication , Thefts , False Witness , Blasphemies ; these and such like are the things which defile the Man. Now , who shall purge this Heart , and with what ? Must not Christ do it , he that baptizes with Fire and with the holy Ghost , whose Fan is in his Hand , and who will thorowly purge his Floor ? This was John's record , that was sent of God for that End. Now let those that call themselves Christians , consider seriously and in the Fear of God , if their Floors , their Hearts , be purged , if the Dirt and Chaff be swept away , if Christ's Baptism of Fire has burnt up their Vain Thoughts , Lusts and Affections , or not ; for by Fire will God plead with all flesh . And let such consider , if they have been yet baptiz'd with the holy Ghost , that makes people alive to God , and whether they live to God , and meditate in his pure Law ; or rather if they be not carnally-minded , which is Death , let them see if Pride don't profess Christianity , & if Wantonness , Vanity , Covetousness , Passion , Envy , Wrath , Malice , and such like don't make Profession of Religion , read , pray , preach , go to Church , and the like : I say , in the Fear of Almighty God , let all that profess him and the Christian Religion examine themselves , and prove themselves , whether Jesus Christ live in them and rule in them , or another Nature , Principle and Spirit ; for God will not be mocked , such as men sow such must they reap in the terrible Day of Judgment . To the tenth Quotation , out of G. F's Way to the Kingdom , viz. That the four Books of Matthew , Mark , Luke and John are not the Gospel . I answer , If this be a piece of Heresie , we have good Company ; for Paul , Ignatius , Justine Martyr , Origen , Chrisostom , and some of our English Martyrs are of this Mind . Paul sayes , The Gospel is the Power of God ; but it were Blasphemy with a witness to call these four Narratives or Declarations , the Power of God ; in which there are the Sayings and Actions of the Devil and Wicked Jews and Persecutors recorded , as well as the Expressions and Deeds of Christ and his Disciples . Ignatius , in his Epistle to the Philadelphians , calleth it very near to Paul's Expression of the Gospel , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , The Perfection of Incorruption , which these four Books are not , that are composed of Paper and Letters , containing meer reports and Records , though never so true ; or the Consequence would be , that the Writings of the Prophets ( because Ignatius saith in the same Epistle , that the Prophets have anounced and declared the Gospel ) are the Gospel in our Adversaries account , if he receives Ignatius , that lived soon after . But it s clear that our Adversaries refuse the Prophets Writings that Title , and do not give it even to the Apostolical Epistles , yet are displeased with our Tenderness in not stiling these four Books or Histories the Gospel . When Justin Martyr speaks of those four Books , especially when he citeth out of them the mocking of Christ , prophesied of in the Psalms , and of Christ's Silence to Pilate , he saith , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 & 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , it is written and expressed , not in the Four Evangelists , or in the Four Evangelia , or in the Gospel , or in the Writings of the Four Evangelists , as they do commonly now ; but , saith he , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the Records or History of his ( Christ's ) Apostles : Yea , he is so far from calling the Books of Scriptures either the Law or Gospel , that he saith , Christ Jesus is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , the eternal Law and the New Testament , which according to the Prophecy should come forth to the universal World. Chrysostom not only refused an Oath , but denyed those four Books to be the Evangile or Gospel , though he refused not to call them , The Writings of the four Evangelists . So said William Thorp , as may be seen in the Book of Martyrs . Besides , the Gospel is called , A Mystery hid from Ages and Generations , which four Books were not ; and it is still hid from all Envious , Proud , Lustful , Vain and Evil-minded People . To Conclude ; The Bible it self declares of the Gospel , but is not that Gospel ; it declares of the Spirit , but is not that Spirit ; it declares of the Light , but is not that Light ; and it declares of the Eternal Power and Word , but it is not that Eternal Word and Power of God : neither is the Light , Power and Spirit in the Scripture , though they were in those that gave them forth , and live and abide forever in him , who is the Fulness of all Wisdom , Life and Truth , who is Lord and Author of the holy Scriptures given forth by divine Inspiration . To the last Citation and Exception , viz. that G. F. sayes , That we ought not to pray to God to give us a sight of our Sins . I answer , That this Adversary misgives his words , and suggests by those he cites another thing then is plainly and honestly intended by G. F. in his own words ; they are these , And to you that tempt God and say , The Lord give us a sight of our Sins ; mark , he speaks to those that tempt God , and let me add , mock God too ; for to such he speaks , as what follows declares , viz. Priests and People ( sayes G. F. ) does not the Light which Christ hath enlightned you with , let you see your Sin ? that Lying and Swearing , Cursed Speaking , Theft , Murder , Whoredom , Covetousness , Pride , Lust and Pleasures , all these things to be the Works of the Flesh and Fruits of Darkness ? Mark now , this Light within you lets you see it , so you need not tempt God to give you a Sight of your Sins ; for ye know enough , and waiting in the Light , Power and Strength will be given to you . Now , let the Impartial judge if the Consequence of these words be , That we must not pray to God to give us a sight of our Sins that we don't see , which must be our Enemies suggestion or nothing , or not rather , that we should not tempt and mock God by praying for a sight of our sins , whilest we see , and that there is not a forsaking of the sins that we do already see . I ask , Does it follow , that because we should not tempt or mock God in praying for a sight of the sins we have a sight of , and yet don't forsake , that therefore we must not pray to God for a sight of those sins that we have no sight of , having first renounced those we have had a sight of ? Well , the Lord keep our Lives out of the Power of a Jury that would take this Latitude of Construction . The following words of that good man are these , and very savoury and Christian they are ; For they that wait upon the Lord , their strength shall be renewed ( but for what , if not to forsake sin , and serve the Lord God ) and living in the Light , and walking up to God , it will bring you to true Hunger and Thirst after Righteousness , that you may receive the Blessing from God , and give over tempting of God to give you a sight of your sins . And why ? because you see more then you forsake ; forsake what you see , before you pray for more sight ; for all such Prayer in such Disobedience is a meer Mockery , and God will not be mocked : and be it known to all , that God has determined not to hear the Prayers of the Wicked ; for they are , sayes the Prophet , an Abomination unto him . This yet appears to be his sense by the following Paragraph ; And to all ye that say , God give us Grace and we shall refrain from our Sin ; there ye have got a tempting customary word ; for the free Grace of God has appeared to all men , and this is the Grace which shews you Ungodliness and Worldly Lusts : Now , thou that livest in Ungodliness , Lying , and Swearing , and Theft , and Murder , and Drunkenness , and Filthy Pleasures , and lusting after the World , thou art he that turns the free Grace of God into Wantonness , and casts his Laws behind thy back , and walkest despightfully against the Spirit of Grace . Oh vain man ! yet thou canst say , God is merciful , and live in thy Wickedness , passing on thy time without the Fear of God , sporting thy self in thy Wickedness . What think you now ? Does this man say , the people ought not to pray for a sight of their sins , which they see not in order to Repentance , or can he mean so ? let Candor speak . For that I said before must be the meaning of this Adversary , or he means nothing , because in the other sense all must grant that men ought not to tempt , provoke and mock God by praying for a fight , when they have it and don 't use it . What then is the Conclusion of this Matter ? why plainly this , that from G. F. saying , that those who say the Lord give us a sight of our sins , that have a sight of them already and forsake them not , do therein tempt God : This Enemy of ours , makes no scruple of Conscience to infer and conclude that G. F. says , that we ought not to pray to God to give us a sight of our sins at all , without any regard to the Distinction of having the sight already , be it that such have forsaken what God has given them a sight of , or that they have Sins they have yet no sight of , yet G. F. says , we must not pray for a sight of our sins , if this Adversary may be credited . Well , the Lord God Almighty , who is the Searcher of all Hearts , knows the end of this Person in writing and spreading these Calumnies and Perversions , and with him I leave him and his Work , but so , as that I sincerely desire , that he may have a sight of his sin against God and an harmless People , if he acts ignorantly ; and that he may sincerely repent , and find Mercy with the Lord , if he acts maliciously , before he goes bence and be no more seen ; for it s not a sleight thing to mischarge , and that so peremptorily too , an entire People , about matters of the World that is without end . I shall conclude this Defence with these three things , the first is , that most of the Opinions he calls ours are not so evinced , or so much as attempted to be proved by the Author of the Libel against us . 2dly , Those that are endeavoured to be fastened on us , have not their due proof , one Person it may be is produced to make good a Charge against a Body of People ; would our Adversaries be thus used ? would they be concluded by the Word or Act of any one Member of their numerous Communion ? certainly no : Besides , the Proofs that are brought , are some lame , others perverted , and some forged , which looks very dishonourable on the part of our Accuser , first to mis-charge , then mis-cite , and lastly wrack words , well intended , to extort , if possible , a Consession of guilt : but the truth is , Error can only be maintained by Error , and therefore there is no wonder in the case . This is the Usage we have mostly met with put thanks be to God we are neither surprized nor unqrepared . Lastly , I do hereby offer a fair and free Conference with the Author or Authors of the Libel , or any other that can soberly pretend to a Conscientious Dissatisfaction about our Faith or Practice , at such time as shall be mutually agreed upon to be convenient . And this I offer , not out of Vanity or Oftentation , but in Duty to God my great Lord and Master , and in good will to all such Persons ; and did not these Considerations prevail , and carry me to this Condescention , my manifold Affairs and the many and large Books I have already writ on occasion of these and the like Imputations , would have disswaded me from any fresh undertaking of this nature , and sufficiently guarded me against all Reflections upon my Silence . I am a Friend to Mankind William Penn. THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A54109-e340 ‖ This was the Doctrine of Luther , Zwinglius , Calvin , Oecolampadius , Beza and Marlorat abroad ; and of W. Tindal , D. Barns , John Frith , John Bradford , J. Woodman , Philpot , Fox , Jewel , Whittiker , &c. at home , that the Scriptures Authority to us stood in the inward Testimony of the Spirit of God. See my Quakerism a New Nick-Name for Old Christianity , and my Rejoynder in defence of the same , from pag. 24. to pag. 101. and from pag. 31. to pag. 186. Gal. 6. 15. Rom. 1. 14. Jer. 35. 33 , 34. Hebr. 8. 13. 2 Tim. 3. 15 , 16 , 17. Chap. 3. 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5. Gal. 5. 19 , 20 , 21. Luke 20. 35 , 36 , 37 , 38. Joh. 11. 25. 1 Cor. 15. 34 , 35 , 36 , 37 , 38. Rev. 20. 5. Acts 4. 12. 2 Tim. 1. 10. Rom. 3. 25. 1 John 2. 2. 1 Tim. 2. 5 , 6. Heb. 8. 6. Chap. 12. 24. Rom. 8. 34. Heb. 7. 25. 1 John 2. 16. Mat. 7. 23. James 1. 27. John 8. 23. Chap. 15. 18 , 19. Chap. 18. 36. Mat. 5. 11. 1 Cor. 4. 10 , 13. John 8. 12. 1 John 1. 7. Proverbs 4. 18. Isa . 2. 5. Chap. 49. 6. Rom. 13. 12 , 13. 14. John 9. 14 , 16. 1 Cor. 12. 7. John ● . 19. Gen. 17. 1. Gen. 5. 22. & 6. 9. Job 1. 1. Matthew 5. 48. 1 Thessal . 5. 23. Ephes . 4. 13. 1 Timoth. 3. 17. Heb. 6. 1. & 13. 21. 2 Pet. 5. 10. 1 John 1. 7. Chap. 2. 13. Chap. 3. 9. Chap. 4. 12 , 16 , 17. Chap 5. 4 , 18. Chap. 3. ver . 4 , 5 , 8 , 9. Mat. 1. 21. 1 John 1. 5. Acts 17. 27 , 28. Jer. 23. 23 , 24. Iob 25. 3. Genesis 2. 7. Mat. 4. 6 , 12. Iohn 5. 9. and 19. 7. & 5. 39 , 40. Iohn 1. 1. Revel . 19. 13. Luke chap. 1. Iohn 6. 63. Gal. 1. 16. & 4. 19. 2 Cor. 13. 4. John 14. 1 , 3 , 18 , 19 , 20. Chap. 16. 20 , 21 , 22 , 23 , 25 , 26. Matthew 10. 38. Chap 16. 24. Mark 8. 34. Luke 9. 23. Revelat. 3. 20. 1 John 5. 8. Matthew 12. 29. Chap. 15. 19 , 20. Chap. 3. 11 , 12. Rom. 1. 16. Ephes . 6. 19. & 3. 3. Col. 1. 26. 1 Tim. 1. 11. Psalm 109. 7. Prov. 28. 9. Isa . 1. 13 , 14 , 15.