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Jennings , And his Party that joyned with him in Pensilvania ; and some Abettors that cloak and defend him here in England : In Answer to his scandalous Book , called , The State of the Case . IN Order to this further Discovery , I think fit to follow this Method ; First , to set down in order , the grossest Falshoods and Untruths I find in his Book ; and for which he giveth no other Proof , but his and their bare Affirmation who are his Confederates , which ought to be of no Authority , or Credit with them , who know him and them to be our prejudiced Adversaries in the Case , and whom I can , and doubt not to prove both him and them guilty of affirming diverse gross falshoods in this following Treatise ; and for brevity sake , to give little other Answer to many of the whole Summ , Number , or Tale of them , but this , That they are gross downright Falshoods , Fictions , and Forgeries of his and their devising , hatch'd and invented by him and them , whereby , as with so many Fig-leaves , to cover his and their Nakedness : And , as I go along , to answer particularly , to his seeming Reasons , so far as they may seem to weak and unwary Readers , to be some sort of covering to him , and his Party ; and his particular Charges against me , so far as they seem to contain any thing of Truth in them in matter of Fact , briefly to reply unto . For the first , some of the grossest downright Falshoods and Untruths , Fictions and Forgeries asserted by him , are these in order following . I. That he saith in his Title page , The state of the Case impartially given , &c. [ he had said more truly , The state of the Case partially , falsly and perversly given , &c. ] II. That some few have been seduced by me , into a separation , &c. [ but on the contrary , I have not seduced any , but have been made an Instrument of God , ( for which I desire to praise him ) to preserve many , and to recover some from being deceived . ] III. That we are backsliders , and have reproached , and abused him . [ This is his own Character , and not ours . ] IV. That he might have made his Innocency his Sanctuary . [ But instead of that , he maketh Falshoods and Fictions his Sanctuary . ] V. That I said to him , That it was not for any love I had to him , that I had sought his Friendship , &c. [ This I solemnly declare is utterly false ; and I acknowledge , I did love him , and still love him , as I ought to love my Enemies , but the bond of brotherly love he himself broke it , and not I. ] VI. That I flatter to gain him to my Party . This is false . VII . That I consult the old Proverb , Throw Dirt enough , and some will stick . [ This most truly belongs to himself . ] VIII . That it's matter of Malice , and not Conscience , that hath occasioned me to appear against him . [ But my appearing against him , was only in my just defence ; and what I have said or Printed against him , respecting some former Passages of his Life , before he appeared an unjust Adversary against me , were such as I had not the full knowledge , and certainty of them before ; and beside , they were of that nat●●e or quality , that had it not been for his intolerable Pride , and Arrogancy , as well as Injustice , in charging me , ●hen Innocent , of what he was most guilty himself , they might have been buried , even with them that knew him to be guilty , more than I did ; and it might have been hoped , that he had repented of such things ; but he proceeding to shew himself worse then formerly , not amending , but more degenerating , might give just occasion , in our just defence , to let him know what sort of Captain these twenty seven false Judges had chosen to follow , in that unjust War they had undertaken . His Argumentum ad hominem , sheweth him as ignorant in fair Reasoning , as he knoweth himself to be in the Latin Tongue , which yet he would make some shew of , as if he skilled it ; for his transferring my Complaint against Arthur Cook , ( citing Reasons and Causes of the Separation , page 18. ) to his Complaint against me , is not para●lel , nor equal . But so heedless he is , in what he writes , ( as in what he saith ) that he miscites the Book ; for that Complaint of mine against Arthur Cook , is not in Reasons and Causes , &c. but in the Plea of the Innocent , that was in Answer to his , and his Brethrens Paper of false Judgment against me ; for my Complaint against A. C. was , That he transgrest Gospel Order in concealing a matter so many years , and then bringing it forth against me , while I was in the same Profession of Church Membership with them , when he so accused me ; and the matter it self was also false . But what I blamed Sam. Jennings for , with respect to some years past , was only in way of my just defence , and was most properly , Argumentum ad hominem , it being most unreasonable in him , to require an absolute Submission from me , in the greatest matters of Faith and Conscience , when he refused to submit in some worldly matters ; and I made not this Complaint against him , in my just defence , until by his , and his Parties false Judgment given out against me , We were no more of one Society ; and it stands well consistent with Scripture , That if a Man depart from his Righteousness , not only his former Righteousness is to be forgotten , but his former Vnrighteousness may be justly remembred against him . IX . That the noise we make of Persecution , he doubts not but the Reader will find , by what follows , is a sham , and abuse put upon the World. [ And I refer it to the Impartial Reader , whether this , his Book , be not a sham put upon the World ? and whether , the Sufferings , we did undergo , for matters purely of Conscience , were not really Persecution , as much as what many Friends have suffered here in England , in former times . That he saith , page 3. of his Preface , How can any thing deserve to be called a Suffering or Persecution , that is so much desired and sought for , sheweth him extreamly ignorant , what true Suffering is ; and that he is better acquainted with the Spirit of Persecution , than with the Spirit of Suffering ; and also , that he is little conversant , either in Scripture or Church History ; for Christ , the Prophets , Apostles , and Martyrs , not only desired to suffer for Righteousness sake , ( knowing the Blessedness that belonged to that State ) but rejoyced at their Suffering , not simply for the Suffering , but that God might be honoured , and the Truth advanced ; nor did they desire Suffering in any evil will towards Persecutors , but prayed for them ; as so I have done , and have them for my Example . X. That my , and our greatest Suffering from the Government , was , That we could not provoke them to do more against us . [ This is utterly false ; we neither gave them just Provocation , nor desired to provoke them . ] XI . That our Crimes were so gross and enormous , as no other Government would have been guilty of such Impunity , ( I suppose he means Iniquity ) to suffer to pass with so slight a Correction . [ This Assertion is so extravagantly false , that it may be justly questioned , whether ever any Government in the English Dominions , was so extreamly severe , ridgid , and cruel , to punish Men for asserting the same Principles , in common professed , both by the Punishers , and punished , as was our Case . For it is well known , it is a profest Principle among the People called Quakers , That it is lawful to reprove Pride , or any other Sin , in a Magistrate , as Injustice , arbitrary and unlawful Proceedings of Magistrates ; also , it is their known Principle , neither to fight , nor to hire Men to fight ; and yet for our practising the former , viz , Reproving Pride in Sam. Jennings , and asserting the latter , as the Quakers Principle , we were persecuted by him , and his Party . And I know not , if many Instances or Examples can be found in England , or in the Kings Dominions in America , that they did punish any called a Quaker , for his simply reproving Pride , or other the like Sins in Magistrates . But there is not wanting plenty of Examples out of the Printed Books of the People called Quakers , that they have largely and much more aggravatingly reproved Pride , Oppression , Injustice , and arbitrary Proceedings in Magistrates , than what we have done in Pensilvania . ] See for proof , G. F. his Letter to Justice Savrey , in his Journal , page 94. Will. Pen , and Will. Meeds Tryal , and G. W. his Tryal at Norwich . XII . He chargeth it to be Deceit , in the Pen-man of the Book of the Tryal ; to assert it , that Will. Bradford , and John Micomb , were under any hard usage , or close confinement , after they were put in Prison ; and for this he bringeth only the Credit of John White , then Sheriff and Jailor both , as well as a prejudiced Adversary ; and who had appeared Attorney against us , a Man of as bad Credit as Sam. Jennings himself . [ But it is well known to many in Philadelphia , who came to see them in Prison , That they were kept for some time so close in Prison , that by no Entreaty , they could have their Freedom , to go home to visit their Families , though John Micembs Family greatly needed him , his Wife being newly brought to Bed , and dangerously ill . XIII . That John White offered them , upon their first coming in , if they would promise to come to him , upon notice given them , they might go about their business till then . [ This is notoriously false , and is easily proved to be so by the express words of the Mittimus signed by Sam. Jennings , and Robert Ewer , both Preachers , that saith , the said Persons being required to give security to answer it at the next Court , but they refusing so to do , &c. Now can it be supposed , that the Justices refusing them liberty to go home without giving Security , that the Jailor would dare to contradict their strict Order , the very first Night they were committed to Prison . But that they refused to give Security , by entring into Bonds for their Appearance , is that which Friends generally have refused to do , when they have been committed to Prison , both here in England , and elsewhere ; and as these two honest Men , viz. Will. Bradford , and John Micomb , acted like faithful Friends , in refusing to enter into Bonds , having done nothing worthy of Imprisonment ; So their Persecutors , whereof Sam. Jennings was the chief , acted like the worst of our Persecutors here in England , formerly in requiring such Security of them . But it seems after some time their proud Hearts fell , and without requiring any Bonds of them , they had more liberty allowed them afterwards , more regarding the cry of the generality of the People , both in Town and Country , against such notorious Injustice and Oppression , than any real Mercy and Compassion towards the Prisoners they had in Custody . But what cloak hath he , to cover the other parts of their Cruelty acted on these two honest Persons , having from the one , viz. John Micomb , taken his License , which he paid dear for , before the time was expired for which he paid ; the said License being to keep an Ordinary , the outward means of his Livelyhood ; and having taken from the other , viz. Will. Bradford , so much of his Printing Letter as was in value worth about Ten Pounds , to his great detriment ; and was not restored to him , so long as these unjust and violent Men possessed the Government . But after they went out , by Order of the new Governor , his Printing Letter was restored to him , to their great shame that had so long unjustly and cruelly detained it . And also , by another Order of the said New Governor , Peter Bosse , after a Months unjust and undue Imprisonment , upon the change of the Government , was set at Liberty ; and divers other abuses were then rectified . And what saith he to that act of both Injustice and Cruelty , that he , viz. Sam. Jennings , and his Party , did take away from Will. Bradford , the Printer , his yearly Salary of Forty Pounds per Annum , they had bound themselves by Indenture to pay him , for some years to come , without the least just occasion given them ; or the last breach of the Indenture on his part , the only pretence they made , being his Printing the Sheet , called , The Christian Faith of the People of God called in scorn , Quakers in Rhode Island , &c. A Paper which hath been well received by many Friends here in England , and elsewhere : And his Printing it without their License or Knowledge , they made so highly criminal in him , as to take from him Forty Pounds per Annum , for some years to come , being such an unparallel'd Instance of Oppression , that I think few parts in Europe , in a thing of that Nature , can produce the like , he being left at liberty by the express Terms of the written Indenture betwixt him and them , to Print what he pleased , or might be for his Profit , that was not against the Government , as nothing of this could , or was pretended to be , ( nor indeed was ever any thing that he afterwards Printed , in the least against it ) he never refusing to print for them , whatever they required , which none of them can say he did ; but shewed himself always most willing to serve them , in his Art of Printing . And it is but Deceit in Sam. Jennings , to charge these two honest Friends with Deceit , for their Signing a Paper from the Prison , when they signed it in the Entry , common to the Prison , and the next House ; for the Entry belonging to the Prison , it was no Deceit nor Lye , to sign it from the Prison , it happening at that time , they had a little Liberty to go home , and they being Prisoners still by order of the Justices , it was most proper for them to sign their Paper from the Prison , being , if I well remember , a Paper to the Justices , requesting farther Liberty ; and the Prison-house Room hapning to be shut at that time , who can blame them with Deceit , for signing it in any place or part belonging to the Prison , except such as Sam. Jennings ; who , to hide his own Deceit , laboureth to represent an innocent Act , as if it were deceit . And so much in answer to his Falshoods and Misrepresentations contained in his Preface . XIV . page 1. In the beginning of his Book , he telleth a great Falshood , viz. That the publishing the Breach made in Pensilvania , seems designed to gratifie the Adversaries of Truth . [ For the design of its publishing was only to bear our faithful Testimony against the vile Anti-christian Errors boldly maintained by some there , and cloaked by others ; and in Vindication of our Innocency , which they of the other side had laboured to defame . XV. page 2. He most falsly and injuriously chargeth me with a slight of the Spirits Teachings . [ For I greatly honour and value the Spirits Teachings ; but the false and vain Pretensions of ignorant Persons , to the Spirits Teachings , I disown and witness against , as the true Prophets did witness against the false Pretences of the false Prophets , who said , thus saith the Lord , when the Lord had not spoke unto them . ] XVI . page 2. He falsly chargeth me , That my charge against some Preachers in Pensilvania , is couched in bare generals . [ But in Contradiction to himself , within a few Lines , he acknowledgeth the Particulars , wherewith I did charge them , viz. That T. Fitswater had accused me , For denying the Sufficiency of the Light , because I said , as was alledged by the four Evidences , That the Light within was not sufficient without something else . Now if this be matter of just Accusation against me , it must to them be a false Assertion ; and the contradictory Assertion must be true , viz. That the Light within is sufficient to Salvation , without any thing else ; which most evidently excludes the Person of Christ , viz. His Manhood , Death , and Sufferings , and shedding of his precious Blood , and Intercession for us in Heaven , all which are something else than the Light within . But whereas he saith , may it not seem strange , that I who had been among them Twenty Eight Years , and most of the Time a Preacher , and a Vindicator of them , should not discover this , ( viz. That some among them were guilty of vile Errors . ) But to this it is easily answered , I had but a very few Years , or rather Months been among them in Pensilvania , when I had discovered some among them guilty of vile Errors ; and laboured much among them in love to recover them , which was not without Success to some , though others were hardened . And for the Time I was among the People called Quakers , before I came into America , mostly in Scotland , my Native Country , and sometimes in England , and elsewhere , it is well known to some now alive in this City , that many years ago , I had discovered some here in England , guilty of some gross Errors , such as of late I had discovered in Pensilvania ) and had also complained of them ; and diverse Meetings were had , where my Complaint was heard , and these Meetings giving due and impartial Judgment in the Case , and standing up for the Truth , and putting to silence these Men for that time , this made things quiet , and prevented a breach ; and had these to whom I complained in Pensilvania , done the like Justice there , they might have prevented the breach that happened , therefore the guilt of it lyeth at their door ; and especially upon S. J. who has been a principal Defender and Upholder of the Persons guilty of those vile Errors . But what if I did not discover the Error● that I find too many guilty of now , both in America , and here also in Europe , not having had the opportunity of intitimate Communication with them , by verbal Conference , perhaps not one of a hundred ; nor having read very many of Friends Books in those former days . But since our Differences began in America , this hath given me 〈◊〉 occasion , both of verbal Conference with many , and also of more frequent reading in Friends Books than formerly , and upon the whole I can say , I find the whole Doctrine asserted by me , in all particulars , well confirmed out of Friends Books , even in those things , wherein I have been contradicted by some , both in America , and here in England ; and am able to prove all the parts of Doctrine asserted by me , out of the Holy Scripture , and Friends Books ; though I must needs also acknowledge , that by some others it is contradicted in some other Books , for which cause I did judge , and I still so do , that diverse Books among us need Correction in diverse Places , because they both contradict the Holy Scriptures in some Places , and also they contradict the Books and printed Testimonies of other Friends ; and these palpable Contradictions have done , and will do great hurt , ( until corrected ) both to weak Friends , and other friendly People , tending to darken some , and stumble others . XVII . page 2. His false Prophesie or Presumption concerning me , which he saith , he believes a very little time will try or discover ; as also his false Insinuation against me , That I am not real in my professing , my being in dear Vnity with all faithful Friends ; or that any thing of my Deportment hath discovered the contrary . [ For I have differed with none here , or elsewhere , but so far as they have differed from Truth ; and if I remain in Unity with the Truth , ( as I do , and he , nor any else cannot prove the contrary ) I remain in Unity with all the faithful Friends of it . Nor do I judge that every small difference in Judgment doth break the Unity of faithful Friends , when Sincerity , and the Love of the Truth is kept to in the main . XVIII . page 3. His falsely asserting the sufficiency of W. Stockdales Evidence against me , who was notoriously known to be a prejudiced Person , by his falsly accusing me , Of being guilty of Preaching two Christs , which Sam. Jennings hath been forced to confess was proved against him , and accordingly gave at last a Judgment against him , though it was as an Abortive out of due Season . XIX . His perverting my words , saying , Divers present cleared him , viz. G. K. that they heard him , both then , and at all occasions that he delivered his Mind on that Subject , always bear his Testimony to the sufficiency of the Light to Salvation . [ But this he makes so great a difficulty or impossibility , viz. to prove a Negative ; most perversely arguing , or rather , qui●ling , How could they hear him at all times , when he delivered his Mind on that Subject . [ But my words do plainly enough bare this sense , That they heard me at all such times , when W. Stockdale heard me ; to wit , either in publick Meetings , where some of them were always present at Philadelphia ; or at that Meeting at the House of S. Carp. where and when he did fals●ly so accuse me . And if a Negative Evidence be to S. J. such a difficulty or impossibility , How is it , that he is put to bring a negative Evidence to prove he was not drunk in East Jersey ; See page 69. May it not be replyed to him , Was that Person always with him ? and had such a perfect knowledge of him , that he was not drunk , or at least elevated with Drink , seeing s●me have asserted that he was ; and one , being ●uled by Affection , ●ay judge a Man not to be drunk , when another Man may judge , and perhaps more duely , that he is . But whether he was , or was not drunk , as I did not accuse him , so it is not my present business , to prove or disprove it , only I thought fit to take notice how partial S. J. is , to reject these divers Evidences on my side , that proved a Negative , and yet defend himself , by one Person that proved a Negative on his side . XX. page . 3. His Perversion , and perversly quibling against the Monthly Meeting that gave Judgment against T. Fish ; As , first , That some had been there , that were not in the Profession of Truth , a thing he saith , not usual in solemn Monthly Meetings . [ But this quibble is easily answered , The Report spread abroad concerning our Differences , occasioned divers to come , even to other Monthly Meetings as well as that ; yea , and to their Yearly Meeting too , that were not in the Profession of Truth : And it can be proved , that some have signed to some false Judgments given out against me , that were not in the Profession of Truth . But however S. J. doth take notice , that these that were not in the Profession of Truth , were said to have gone away , before any Judgment was given . Another silly quibble of his is , That most of them that gave that Judgment at the adjourned Monthly Meeting , were such as afterwards went into the Separation with G. K. page 4. But here he only begs the question , without all shadow of Proof , that they or I either , went into the Separation ; for on the contrary I have sufficiently proved it , both in my former Books , and also in my last Book in Answer to T. E. his scandalous Defamation , That they of the other side began the Separation , and are guilty of continuing it . XXI . page 4. He most palpably perverteth the matter , when he saith , I make a mischievous use of the Evidence given by them called the four credible Witnesses , and strain consequences from it ; he alledging , It was not the thing in question , Whether the Light was sufficient , without something else ; but whether G. K. had said so or not , which was proved he had . [ But take notice Reader , of this Mans gross Forgery and Prevarication , ( enough to discredit his whole Book , and all his other audacious false Affirmations ) the thing in question was , Whether G. K. was guilty of denying the Sufficiency of the Light within to Salvation , Th. Fishwater having accused him , of such a Crime or Error , as is confessed by the Judgment of that Monthly Meeting , that took the Evidences of that four Persons ( which they took most disorderly , G. K. being absent , and having no call nor notice given him to be present ; ) and to prove his charge against G. K. he brings four Witnesses to prove that they heard me say , The Light was not sufficient to Salvation , without something else ; this the said Meeting takes for a sufficient Evidence to clear T. F. and therefore without the least strain , according to them , G. K. is guilty of a great Error , for saving , The Light [ within ] is not sufficient to Salvation , without something else . But seeing by their Judgment this is an Error , the contradictory Assertion to it must need● be true , viz. That the Light within is sufficient to Salvation , without any thing else ; which excludes the 〈…〉 Christ , his Death and Sufferings , Blood and Intercession for as in Heaven ▪ all which are something else than the Light within , as all Men of common sense must needs confess , That the outward Body or Person of the Man Christ , and his Death , Blood , and Intercession without us , are not the Light in us ; and therefore something else , though Christ is but one , both without us and within us , even as the Godhead and Manhood of Christ is but one Christ , and yet his Manhood is not his Godhead , but something else ; for his Godhead did not suffer Death , but his Manhood . XXII . page 4 , 5. His palpable Perversion , and bewraying his gross Ignonorance , or Deceit , in charging me with Inconsistency , for saying , The Light is sufficient to Salvation , and yet to affirm it is not sufficient without something else ; as if these two Assertions were inconsistent , or contradictory . Whereas the least ordinary Christian , of the smallest Capacity , cannot but see , both the Consistency and Truth of these two sound Assertions , as much as when I say , my Hand is sufficient to write , or ●old a Book , but not without my Body , which is something else ; and my Eye is sufficient to see , but not without my Head ; and a thousand such Examples may be given . And the Grace of Christ is sufficient to save me , but not without the Man Christ ; nor is Christ sufficient , without the Father , for he said himself , I can do nothing of my self ; but together with the Father , he is our All-sufficient Saviour . And who will dare to say , but the Man Christ without us , that was born of the Virgin , is sufficient to save us , yet not without his inward appearance in our Hearts ; it pitties me to deal with such an ignorant Adversary . Oh! for shame , that ever such an ignorant Person should pass with any , for a Minister of Christ , that seeth not , or is so deceitful , that he will not acknowledge , that he seeth such a thing , as the good Consistency betwixt these two Assertions aforesaid . XXIII . His gross Perversion , in charging my Words , I spoke at the Yearly Meeting , and which were too mincingly , and unduly repeated in that Paper , called , A true Account of the Proceedings of the Yearly Meeting at London , &c. As if they did infer the same Consequence against my self , the substance of my words being , viz. That the Light within , being God , the Word , the Spirit , in every Man , is sufficient to reveal to every Man , all that is needful to his Eternal Salvation . [ But let the Reader of the least true Capacity , judge whether these words can admit of any such Consequence , That the Light within us is sufficient to Salvation without any thing else , seeing as is above shewed , these two Assertions are well consisting ; and Sam. Jennings knoweth in his Conscience , that I spoke the words more fully , than he hath related them , viz. by adding , yet not excluding the Man Christ Jesus , his Death , Sufferings , &c. and Intercession , &c. from being joyntly concern'd in our Salvation ; as also my saying , That the Faith of Christ , as he died for us , &c. is necessary to our Christianity and Salvation . But further , to manifest the great Ignorance , or rather Deceit of S. J. in this particular , he intimating it was not the thing in question , Whether the Light is not sufficient to Salvation , without something else ; G. K. meaning by that something else , The Manhood of Christ , his Death and Sufferings , and Intercession . He knoweth in his Conscience , that some time after John Delawal accused me in a publick Meeting , of being guilty of Heresie , for saying , The Light within was not sufficient to Salvation , without something else ; at which time S. Jennings most shamefully , as is known to many , set the Christian and the Quaker at odds in the publick Meeting , saying , the question betwixt us and G. K. is not , Who is the best Christian , but who is the best Quaker ? And also S. J. knoweth in his Conscience , that I produced two Manuscripts of John Delawal , that was read in the yearly Meeting at London , wherein he accuseth me of Heresie , and of denying the fundamental Principle of the Quakers , for saying , The Light within is not sufficito Salvation , without something else ; and concerning the Debate betwixt John Delawal and me , upon that head , I refer to the Printed Treatise , called , Heresie and Hatred , &c. the which if any have a mind to see , or buy , let them come to me , and I shall acquaint them where they may have them . XXIV . page 6. His gross Perversion and Insinuation against me , saying , It 's well if he have not sinned against Knowledge in this matter , they of the other side having so often and solemnly told me , that they did believe all that 's Recorded is Sacred Writ , concerning our Blessed Saviour , &c. [ But how could I believe them to be sincere in their Affirmation , any more than I can believe a Papist or Mugletonian ; who will say the same in general , That they believe all that 's Recorded in Sacred Writ concerning our Blessed Saviour , and yet many of their Doctrines contradict Sacred Writ . For to be sure , it contradicts Sacred Writ , to say , it is a fundamental Error and Heresie , That the Light within is not sufficient to Salvation , without something else ; which was publickly asserted by one of their chief Preachers , and Rulers of their side , viz. send Delawall , and which his Manuscripts under his own Hand , read at the yearly Meeting , fully prove ; and for which they did never pass any due censure against him , nor against John Humphreys , for saying in his Letter , read at the yearly Meeting at London , He was grieved to hear some say , they expect to be justi●c● by that Blood that was shed at Jerusalem . And though Sam. Jenings mention th● the precious Blood of Christ , with which Christ hath purchased that Inheritance for us , &c. Yet he doth not tell what that Precious Blood is , or what he means by it , seeing not only John Humphrey in Pensilvania , but some here in England , by the Blood which with God expiates for Sin , and cleanseth from Sin , do not mean the Blood of Christ's Manhood , or Humanity , but the Life , which is the Light , as one Frances Ftheridge , a bold ignorant Soul , lately , in my hearing , and in the hearing of many , at a publick Meeting , on a First day , at Dev●shire , in the Forenoon , affirmed , That the Blood ( John 1. 1. 7. ) that cleanseth from all Sin , was the Life , and the Life is the Light ; and this perverse Exposition goeth currant among too many here in England , as well as in America . But in Opposition to his unchristian and uncharitable Insinuation , I say , I have charged them with nothing against my Knowledge , but what is most perfectly consistent with my Knowledge . XXV . page ● . His gross Perversion , in labouring to make void the Credit of the two Persons , viz. W. Bradford , and John Macomb , in giving Evidence against W. St. that he accused me of being guilty of Preaching two Christs , alledging they were much at my Devotion , and my Creatures , to use them as I pleased ; which is a false and base Insinuation . But if their Evidence is not to be credited , because they did afterwards joyn with me in their Christian Testimony , to oppose the vile Errors held by some of their side , by the same Reason , these he calleth the four credible Witnesses of their side , ought to be rejected ; and with as much colour of Reason , or rather much more , they might be said to be at the Devotion of Sam. Jennings , and Th. Lloyd , and used by them , as they pleased . But the Judgment of the monthly adjourned Meeting that was given out against Will. Stockdale , did not depend upon the bare Credit of these two Persons , though Men sufficiently credible . But the Meeting it self , consisting of above Sixty Persons , declareth , that at that monthly Meeting he did say , That what he had formerly said in his Charge against G. K. he did yet stand by and justifie ; upon which , that Meeting gave judgment against him , That the said W. Stockdale should condemn his unrighteous Charge publickly , &c. XXVI . His gross Perversion , in labouring to defame these two honest Friends , most falsly accusing W. Bradford with Baseness and Treachery to his Benefactors in Pensilvania ; who at no inconsiderable Cost encouraged the Press there , &c. But let the Impartial Reader judge whether Sam. Jennings doth not basely accuse him , for an innocent Act , he not being under the least tye or limitation , by them he calleth his Benefactors , not to print to G. K. as well as to them , G. K. being engaged in the same Testimony for Conscience-sake with him . But S. Jennings may be ashamed , to call them his Benefactors , who were his Persecutors and Oppressors , and dealt treacherously with him , by breaking their Indenture with him , and taking away his Forty Pounds per Annum , from him , that they had covenanted to give him , for about seven years to come , which he had little above one year paid him ; so exposing his Family to Want and Ruin , had not Providence opened another way to him . And as is above said , they took his Salary from him , for printing that sheet from Rhode Island , which was before any thing of our Differences in Pensilvania were exposed in Print ; so that could it be supposed , that his printing the Differences among us in Pensilvania , had given some just occasion of Offence to them , ( which it did not ) yet they taking away his Salary from him , before that supposed Offence , was most unjust , seeing , according to all Justice , the Punishment never goeth before the Offence , but followeth it . His other Story of John Macomb , is false in d●vers things , as his ( viz. J. M. ) being under strong Obligations to W. S for his Care of him , in that time when he wanted it . But I have heard J. M. deny it solemnly , that ever he was so much obliged to W. S. as W. S. was to him : And it 's well known , that W. S. was not under such Circumstances , either in Pensilvania , or elsewhere , as very liberally to supply the wants of other , but rather needed , and had supply from others ; and as for J. M. he was no Servant to W. S. but to R.T. who is kno●n to be both able 〈◊〉 and sufficiently enough disposed to do well by his Servants , and to h●●p them to live comfortably , after the time of their Service is expired ; so that this Suggestion of John Macombs want , being supplyed by W. S. as S. J. would have it believed , is more probable to be a Fiction than any truth , and we have no other Authority for it , but that S. J. or W. S. said so ; and J.M. his denying it , with the circumstances related , is sufficient to counter-ball●nce ▪ But supposing it to be true , what is alledged of W. S. being so kind to J. M. it is false , what S. J. relates , that J. M. used any fly , unmanly , or ungrateful way , in a Visit to W. S. to pump him by questions , concerning G. K. For the said J. M. came to me next morning after the discourse that past betwixt them , and told it to me , no ways , as one that sought any occasion against W. S. but simply , as one much grieved in Spirit , to find so great a difference in Judgment betwixt W.S. and me , in a thing of so great moment , and he told me also , the Visit and Discourse were both occasional ; and it came altogether from W.S. of his own accord , without any such thing as pumping him by questions , as S. J. falsly alledgeth . XXVII . p. 8. He grosly prevaricates , in falsly accusing me , That I liberally bestow my Anathema Maranatha upon W.S. without more a-do , telling him , he was an ignorant Heathen , not worthy of any place in the Assembly of Friends . [ For I never pronounced an Anathema upon W.S. or any other of them , tho some of them have pronounced many woes upon me , in the Hearing of many , together with their false Prophecies , which God hath frustrated , and ( my faith is in him ) he will still frustrate . But S. Jennings is very ignorant , that he knoweth not an Anathema Maranatha is one thing , being a very severe Curse ; and to tell a man , If he believe not in Christ without him , as well as in Christ within him , which were my words to W. S. he is but an ignorant Heathen , and not worthy of any place among Friends ; which I still affirm to be true , and is the true character of one so grosly ignorant . XXVIII . It is a gross perversion , and false accusation in him , to say , Because Judgment was not given against W.S. in my way and time ( altho ( as he falsly alledgeth ) my own turbulency was the great obstruction ) he therefore sticks not to unchristian many , &c. [ For I have sufficiently shewed in my printed books , and now lately in my Answer to T.E. That they gave no due judgment or censure at all against him to this day ; and the shadow , or bare formality of judgment the● published at last against him , was like Mustard after Meat , and at an 〈◊〉 or one born out of due time , being 9 months after my complaint made to the Yearly meeting , and about 13 months after my first complaint , made to a meeting of Ministring Friends , at the house of Robert Ewer , and several months after the breach began at Philadelphia . And it is a most deceitful Excuse , to say , my own turbulency was the great obstruction ; which is meerly said , but not proved , after long and much earnest Reasoning and expostulating the matter with them , at the Yearly meeting at Philadelphia . At their desire I went out of the meeting , that they might agree upon a Judgment among themselves ; ( tho T. E. grosly printeth a falshood , in the face of the world , citing my book , Some Reasons and Causes of the Separation , That I refused to go out ; and my book , p. 18. saith expresly , I did go out at the meetings desire ) and yet they would not suffer any Judgment to be intimated to me , neither at that time , nor for many months thereafter : Yea , the Judgment that was duly given by the monthly meeting adjourned , they denied it to be a due Judgment , and disowned the meeting that gave it , as is shewed in my former printed books , and particularly in my late Answer to T.E. However , he acknowledgeth , That judgment was not given against W.S. and giveth the Reason , why , because they would not give it in my way and time . But I say , they gave it not in Truths way and time , but delayed it most unreasonably and unchristianly , till the time was expired ; and at last what they gave , was but a shadow . XXIX . p. 9. He boldly , but most falsly chargeth me , That I have falsly accused the innocent , and that knowingly too , because , as he alledgeth , I have heard very many of them often declare their Faith in the aforesaid particulars , and what else is necessary to be believed and owned by true Christians . [ But I deny , that ever I heard any of them give a satisfactory account of their Faith in the particular things of Controversie , but generally from time to time , increased our just dissatisfaction , both by their most unchristian and unsound expressions , and doubtful and equivocous terms : Yea , both I , and many others , do well remember that we have heard Sam. Jennings , himself , declare in a publick meeting at Philadelphia , That Friends were not gathered by the faith of Christ , as he came outwardly to die for us , but by faith in the power of God , inwardly revealed ▪ Thus setting things asunder that go together : And divers others of them have declared to the same effect ; and John Willford , to the offence of many , declared , in the Hearing of Hundreds , at Philadelphia , That he had the true faith of Christs Death and Sufferings , before he came among Friends ; but it did not gather him to God , but left him in his sins . XXX . p. 10. His boldly , and most perversly challenging me , to name the person among us , that any orderly complaint hath been made against , and the matter proved , that hath been cloaked ; yea , that hath not been testified against . [ What greater impudence can be supposed in a man , than for Him thus to challenge me , when he not only knows in his conscience , but doth confess in this his scandalous Pamphlet , the complaints I made against both William Stockdale , and Thomas Fitswaters , from meeting to meeting , and yet they never did any thing effectually to pass due Judgment against them : And as for Thomas Fitswaters , their monthly meeting at Philadelphia , instead of passing a due Censure on him , for his falsly accusing me , That I denied the sufficiency of the Light to salvation , did clear him , from the Evidence given by four persons of their own Party , that said , They heard me affirm , the Light was not sufficient to salvation , without something else : But this was no proof to confirm his accusation : for the thing they should have proved against me , was , That I denied the sufficiency of the Light to salvation : But instead of proving that , they gave Evidence to prove another thing , quite different ; even as far different as to say , Sam. Jennings is not an honest man , without honest dealing ; and to say simply , he is not an honest man ; For the first is certainly true , tho the second were questioned . Besides , he knoweth in his conscience , that I complained to their Quarte●ly meeting , upon the unsound and vile expressions in John Humphreys Letters , ( the Original Copy of which was read at the meeting at London , last 1694. ) and yet I received no Answer , but a meer abuse , S. Jennings being present , who told me , I was none of them ; and what had I to do to hinder the Affairs of the Meeting ? I told them , if I were Turk or Jew , they ought to hear my just Complaint against one of their Church-Members . XXXI . And he but deceitfully tells , in his page 10. That at the last Yearly Meeting at Philadelphia , a Minute was made , That great care should be taken , that if any amongst us had given any just cause of Offence , they should be orderly deals withal , that Truth might be cleared , and the Offence removed ; whence he deceitfully inters , saying , So that I think all his pretences of Friends cloaking , &c. in America , are taken away , and will be no more a Cloak for him to cover his false accusations against them . [ But he should have given some Example , or instance , when , or where they did execute that Minute , or Order of their Last Yearly meeting , so that these who had given just cause of Offence , had been dealt withal ; but nothing of this being produced , nor that can be produced , sheweth his and their great deceit , being like to some bad Rulers , who make some good Laws , but fail to put them into execution . And suppose they made such a Minute at the last Yearly meeting at Philadelphia , about 18 months at lea●● , after the separation and breach was begun , occasioned by their cloaking persons guilty of such vile Errors ; this proveth not , That they were not guilty of c●oaking those persons before that time ; but in reality , they are as guilty since as before ; and their making such a Minute , as he alledgeth , if any such thing was made , is but a meer blind or Cloak , whereby to deceive such simple souls , as are willing to be deceived by them . XXXII . p. 11. He falsly accuseth me , bitterly to envy against Thomas Lloid , and that I abuse and misrepresent him , in charging him , how at the School-House-Meeting , as well as at those other Meetings aforesaid , Thomas Lloid argued , That Faith in Christ without us , as be died for our sins , &c. and rose again , was not necessary to our salvation . He confesleth , He was not at the School-house Meeting , but at other times , ( he saith ) and once especially , he was present at a discourse relating to that matter ; but the Question was not , VVhether Faith in Christ without us , as be died for our sins , and rose again , was not necessary to our salvation ? But , Whether that Faith were indispensibly necessary to all Mankind ? and that none could be saved without it , tho they had not the Means , Opportunity or Capacity to know or receive it , which ( he saith ) will include a great part of Mankind ; as namely , all those that have not the use of the Holy Scriptures , nor the advantage of hearing it preached to them , which will affect many great Nations , as also all Infants , deaf and dumb persons , &c. [ But tho S. J. here takes on him the defence of Thomas Lloid , and falsly accuseth me of bitterly e●●●ying against him ; His Vindication of Him in this particular matter , is utterly deceitful , and grounded on a gross falshood ; as if Thomas Lloid were not guilty of any such charge as above-related . He confesseth , he was not present at that School-house Meeting ; so can be no witness in the case , if he were supposed to be free of all prejudice and partiality , as he is not . But I have many Witnesses , some whereof are here in England , and at London , that are ready to declare solemnly , They heard him , viz. Thomas Lloid , not only then but at other times , boldly assert , That faith in Christ without us , as he d●ed for our sins , and rose again , was not necessary to our salvation . And the circumstances , and manner of his arguing , together with the Proofs that he brought to prove his absurd assertion , are so fresh in the minds of many that heard him , as well as in my mind , that sufficiently make it evident , that he is guilty of the charge : for he argued , to prove his assertion , from two places of Scripture ; viz. Micah 6. 8. He hath shewed thee , O Man ! what is good , and what doth the Lord require of thee , but to do Justice , and to love Mercy , and to walk humbly with thy God : and Eccles . 12. 13. Fear God and keep his Commandments ; for this is the whole duty of man : on which he thus argued ; That nothing here is required to believe that Christ died for us , and rose again : To which I answered ; That tho that faith is not expressed in these places of Scripture , nor in many other , yet it is implied , and implicitly understood ; for how can we walk humbly with God , if we be lifted up so in pride , as to think that we need not to have our sins pardoned for Christ's sake ; who died for our sins , that they might be forgiven us freely for his sake through faith in him who died for us : And at the very same time his Son in Law , John Delawall , openly opposed him , tho afterwards he joyned with him against my Christian Testimony ; citing for a Proof against his Antichristian assertion , that place of Scripture in Rom. 10. 9. ( and reading it out of a small Pocket-bible ) If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus , and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead , thou shalt be saved . And it is evident as the Sun at Noon-day , That his Essay to prove his Antichristian assertion from these places of Scripture , makes it good against him , that he did hold , That faith in Christ , as he died for us , and rose again , was not necessary to our salvation ; seeing none will say , but that these places of Scripture have an universal reference to all mankind ; and include us as well as these not called Christians . Another Proof brought by him at that very time , at the School-house Meeting , which is yet a further Evidence of my charge , was the late Act of Parliament for Toleration , made under the present Reign ; where a short Test is required of Justices of the Peace and others , concerning their faith in God and in Christ , and in the Holy Ghost ; and because nothing in that short Test is mentioned of faith in Christ , as he died for us , therefore Tho. Lloid did argue , that faith was not necessary to our salvation . Now it is to be considered , That this short Test is only designed , and was only made for such as profess Christianity ; and not for professed Heathens ; which makes it sufficiently evident , that Tho. Lloid's assertion , and the matter of dispute betwixt him and me , was not concerning Heathens at that time , but professed Christians : for it cannot be supposed that the Parliament's Act did extend to professed Heathens , Turks or Je●s . And here I earnestly i●treat the Readers to excuse my exposing things so particularly , in relation to Thomas Lloid , seeing I am brought upon the Necessity of doing it , in the just defence of my Innocency and Christian Reputation , which this prejudiced Advesary , Sam ▪ Jennings , seeks , and most unchristianly endeavoureth , by his false Accusations , to take from me . But for a further proof of Sam. Jennings his insincerity in this particular , he knoweth in his consience how Tho. Lloid hath defended and justified John Hemphrey from time to time , in his Antichristian assertion , that he was grieved to hear some say , they expected to be justified by that blood that was shed at Jerusalem ; which most evidently proveth , that neither J. H●●er Tho. Lloid did believe it was necessary for them to have that faith , that we are Justified by that blood : Yea , S. Jennings his charging me with an inconsistency in my two Assertions ; the one being , that : the light within is sufficient to salvation ; the other being , that the light within is not sufficient to salvation without something else ; I having always declared , that by that something else I mean the Man Christ Jesus , and his Death and Sufferings , Blood , Resurrection and Intercession , &c. doth sufficiently prove him guilty , that he doth not believe it necessary to his salvation that Christ died for him ; for if the light within be sufficient to salvation , without the Death of Christ ( ●hich is a part of that something else understood by me ) then it is not necessary to our salvation , to believe that Christ died for us ; and the Death of Christ hath no part or share in our salvation , by this his Antichristian assertion . But now in reference to the question , as stated by him , he alledging , that I have affirmed , that this faith is indispensibly necessary to all , viz. in order to eternal salvation , to believe in Christ , as he died for us , and rose again . I freely own it , that I have so Affirmed , and do still so affirm ; but however , that was neither the only , nor the principal question or matter of Debate betwixt Th. Lloid and me ; but a second branch of the question occasionally happening , that at sometimes was also discoursed betwixt us : But as concerning the indispensible necessity of Faith in Christ , as he died for us , and rose again , as universally necessary to salvation , how and in what sense I have affirmed , I have fully explained in divers of my late printed books relating to our late differences ; where I have distinguished betwixt the express , or explicite knowledg and faith of Christ's Death , in order to eternal salvation , and the implicite knowledge and faith of it ; asserting this last , but not the first , as universally and indispensibly necessary : And in this my Christian Testimony , as I agree with the Holy Scriptures , and all my former books ( notwithstanding of the Insinuations of some ignorant prejudiced persons against me ; so with the Printed Books and Testimonies of divers friends of good Repute among the people called Quakers ; and with the General Doctrine of all moderate Christian VVriters throughout Christendom : See my aforesaid Explication of my Assertion , particularly in my Two late Printed Treatises ; the one called , Truth and Innocency defended , from page 10. to page 20. where I largely open the said distinction of faith in Christ explicit and implicit ; and also my other , called , Heresie and Hatred , page 13. As for what he objecteth concerning the strange Notion of the Revolution of humane souls , and his insinuation , of my countenancing it ; having so fully answered to it in the Two aforementioned Treatises in Print , to which I refer , I need say nothing here , further than to tell him , and also to inform the Reader , that his thinking , or insinuation , that my holding the faith of Christ's Death indispensibly necessary to all that shall be saved , doth oblige me to held , that all to whom that faith is not outwardly preached , or who have not the outward means , or outward opportunity of receiving it , must needs live again , by Revolution , in order to have it preached unto them , otherwise they cannot be saved ; doth sufficiently prove him extreamly ignorant , and that he hath neither the true faith , nor a true Notion of the sufficiency of the Light within . And howbeit he laboureth , in his Prejudice and Enmity , to represent me , as one undervaluing the sufficiency of the Light within , it plainly appeareth , Io●n the sufficiency of the Light within more than he doth , or any of his Party , who thus do falsly accuse me ; for I say , as I have oft formerly said , the Light within ( in the highest sense ) being God and Christ , the Eternal Word , and the Spirit in every man , is sufficient to reveal and give the Knowledge and Faith of Christ as he died for all men , and rose again , unto all men , without all outward means of outward Preaching , or Reading , and consequently without the Revolutions of Humane Souls for even . Such who favour the Revolution of Humane Souls , as a probable Hypothesis , do it not upon that supposition , as if the Light within were insufficient to give the Knowledge and Faith of Christ without as well as within ; for the sufficiency of the Light within , hath not a dependance upon the Revolutions , nor upon any outward means of Preaching , Hearing or Reading : Insomuch therefore that Sam. Jennings doth suppose , that to affirm the Faith of Christ's Death to be indispensibly necessary to salvation to all that shall be eternally saved ; is to infer the necessity of the Revolution of Humane Souls : And also that he doth positively affirm , that many have not the means , opportunity or capacity to know or receive it ; which ( he saith ) will include a great part of Mankind . From this it plainly followeth , that he thinketh the Light within is not sufficient or able to reveal or give that Knowledge or Faith of Christ's Death , which I affirm it is , being God , the Word and the Spirit ; and therefore I have a better belief of the sufficiency of the Light within than he hath , or his Party that is joyned with him against my Christian Testimony ; and to say , the Light within is not sufficient as fully to reveal and give the Knowledge and Faith of Christ's Death without , as of his Life within , is a degree of Blasphemy against God , who is that Light within , and soundeth as harsh and offensive to Christian Ears , as to say , God is not sufficient to reveal , or give to all men the Knowledge and Faith of Christ's Death , by Internal Revelation , without all outward means of Instruction ; which yet I think no sound Christian will dare to affirm . But , as I have oft said , it is one thing what God , who is Light , and is in all men , is sufficient , or able to do , who is able of stones to raise up children to Abraham ; and who can work by his Spirit , when , where , how , and in whom he pleaseth , even without outward means , whether in Infants , or deaf and dumb persons , or in them that never heard the Fame of Christ with their outward Ears : and it is another thing , what he is pleased to do in his ordinary way of working . But it ought well to be considered , that our full and perfect salvation depends not wholly upon what God either can , or pleaseth to reveal in us ; but also in great part , upon what the Man Christ hath done and suffered for us on Earth , especially in dying , and shedding his precions Blood for us , and his interced on for us now in Heaven ; for that is no small part of our salvation , to be saved from Wrath , and from the guilt of sin , and from that fearful sentence of Condemnation , and the Curse of the Law , due to us for sin ; and no Internal Revelation can save us from that Curse , Condemnation and Wrath ; but it was necessary that Christ should suffer for us in the true Nature of Man , that cursins might be forgiven , and we might be saved from the Wrath of God , and the Curse and Condemnation of the Law of God , and Christ's suffering Death , and sheading his precious Blood for us , was not only necessary to our Justification , but to our Sanctification , because by his Obedience unto Death , and precious Blood , he hath procured and pur●●●sed for us that inward principle of God's Grace , whereby we are sanctified ; and we are sanctified through a living Faith in Christ , as he died for us ; and that Faith is necessary to mens Regeneration and Sanctification , as well as to Remission of sins ; and therefore is necessary to all . But that he saith , a great part of Mankind will be included , who have not had the means , opportunity or capacity to know or receive it ; which carries with it a very harsh and uncharitable Judgment upon all that part of mankind . Answ . But where is then the sufficiency of the Light he and many others seem so warmly to plead for , if it be not sufficient not only to make them capable , but also to give them the Knowledge of it ; viz. the Death of Christ ? But why should this sound more harsh and uncharitable , to say , a great part of mankind die as much without the Knowledge of Christ within as of Christ without ; for as Christ came in the flesh , is called a great m●stery in Scripture , so is Christ within also called a great mystery ; yea , the mystery that had been hid from Ages and Generations : and he cannot give me an Instance of any that ever knew the mystery of Christ within , but also knew in some measure the mystery of Christ without ; for that which is able to reveal the one , is able to reveal the other . But that any are saved without the knowledge of Christ within , I suppose he will not say , seeing the Scripture saith , Know ye not that Jesus Christ is in you , unless ye be Reprobates ? Or rather , disapproved , or want a Proof . But the Scripture also saith , That it is one God who shall justifie the circumcision ; i.e. the Jews , by Faith ; and the circumcision ; i. e. the Gentiles , through Faith. And the true Faith is one , whereby both Jews and Gentiles are justified ; which is a Faith in Christ , as he died for us , as well as that he doth inwardly enlighten us . But to suppose a Faith in Christ , that doth not respect his outward coming in the Flesh , and Death and sufferings , but only and alone that inward common illumination that is in all mankind ; is to set up an unscriptural and Antichristian Faith , opposite to the true Christian Faith ; which I charge on Sam. Jennings , and on all that join with him in this his absurd Doctrine , to be a pernicious Error , tending to make v●id the true Faith of Christ , and the Doctrine of the Holy Scriptures , and to teach men to rely upon their Obedience to the Law , or Light within , for Salvation , and Life Eternal , without the Faith of Christ crucified ; that s●p●ain contrary to the Holy Scripture , that saith , Both Jews and Gentiles were all under sin , and whatsoever the Law saith ; it saith to them that are under the Law , that every mouth may be stopped , and the whole world become guilty before God. Now this Law that steppeth every mouth , and maketh the whole world guilty before God , is the Law , or Light in these Gentiles who have not the Scriptures , or written Law without : and whatever feigned pretence of Charity S. J. or any others that hold this gross Error , That men may be eternally saved without all knowledge and faith of Christ crucified ; may have towards that part of mankind who have not had Christ outwardly preached unto them ; yet it is a real undervaluing , and seeking to undermine the Christian Disp●nsation , and make it as a mee● Indifferent thing ; yea , unprofitable to be under it : for if men commonly obtain Eternal Life and Salvation , without all knowledge and faith of Christ crucified , and raised again ; and can be perfectly sanctified without it ; then there is no need to have that Faith at all : But for such who say , it is needful , because it is preached ; they use a deceitful , but silly evasion ; for if it 's only needful , because it is preached , then the way is not to preach it , that it may not be needful ; and if so , why did the Apostles , and many other faithful men preach it , and seal to it with their blood ? Surely this is the way to lead people generally both to neglect preaching Christ crucified , and to hear it preached ; yea , and if they destroy , or bury the Bible in oblivion , from their posterity , by this wicked doing they shall excuse them from being under a Necessity to believe the Death of Christ in order to salvation . But whereas some say , it is profitable , tho not absolutely necessary to salvation . to have the Faith of Christ's Death ; but seeing they say , men are commonly saved eternally without it , as well as with it ; they cannot shew wherein it is profitable , unless it be necessary : Indeed , they may as well say , with Pelagians and Socinians , that inward Grace , or the Spirit 's inward operation , is only profitable , but not absolutely necessary to mens salvation . But we find the Terms of salvation universally without exception , set down , Rom. 10. 9 , 10. that plainly holds it forth , that to believe that Christ rose from the dead , and that with the heart , as well as to confess it with the mouth , is necessary to all that shall be saved : And tho this Faith is wrought in men in God's ordinary way , by an outward Ministry , yet the Word , or Light within , is suffitient to work it without an outward Ministry ; and doth so work it when God pleaseth , as he wrought it in Abraham , Job , and many others . But that S.J. saith , page 12. he hath heard T. Lloid affirm , he did believe it to be our duty , who had the advantage of having the Holy Scriptures , and hearing the Faith preached , to receive and believe it . This , I suppose , is possible ; but when was it that he did so profess to believe ? viz. after that the Publick Letter signed by G.W. and others , from London , came to them and us , holding forth that Faith as necessary : but before that Letter came , it is well known to many , as well as to me , that he had oft denied it ; but before that the Breach was made : And since it was made , tho we , for our part , used great Endeavors to be reconciled to them in the Truth , yet we could never effect it in Truth 's way . XXXIII . page● 3. He proceeds in the next place to shew ( which most deceitfully and falsly he saith he will do , candidly , cautiously and truly ) the general cause of this unhappy breach and difference : The General Cause ( saith he ) I take to be an unbounded Ambition in G. K. But he gives no proof of this his unchristian and uncharitable assertion ; and therefore I return it on him , as false and fictitious . XXXIV . His perversion , in making it a Crime in me , to have some Religious Controversie with some called Preachers in New England , and challenging some of them to dispute with me ; alledging . that I managed it with great Heat and Rage , and common Ins●lts , when I thought I had advantage , designing Victory and Vain Glory , rather than Edification . And of this he brings no proof , but his bare Authority , he being then in New England with me . But he should have brought either some of my Words or Actions to prove me guilty of his charge ; which he not doing , proves him to be evidently guilty of deep Prejudice , as well as gross Hypocrisie ; for he being with me , and judging me so guilty , as he alledgeth , he was unfaithful , in not admonishing me seasonably ; which he cannot justly say , that he ever did , all that time we were together ; but professed great Unity with me . And for my book of Controversie against some Preachers at Boston in New England , called , The Presbyterian and Independent Visible Churches brought to the Test , &c. before it was printed , the most of it , if not all of it , was read in his hearing , and in nothing disapproved by him , and was generally approved by all that heard it read , being an appointed Number of them called Friends of the Ministry ; the which book was so well accepted by Friends at London , and over England , that it being Re-printed at London , most of them were sold , and many Friends bought of them ; and tho I have heard divers both in City and Country speak well of it , I have not heard any shew the least dissatisfaction against it ; yea , divers of the professing people in N. England spake well of it ; and tho I used some sharp Words towards some Preachers at Boston , who did too much justifie the Persecution raised against Friends in N. E. yet ( as any that have a spiritual savour to judg , who read my book , will say ) I writ with great moderation , and sincere expressions of Love and charity towards many of the people ; and I think I can say it without Vanity , few have exceeded me in moderation , in my way of writing Controversie , among the people called Quakers . But if seeking to dispute with persons of other Professions , be an argument of Vain Glory , by the same way of Arguing , he maketh some of the best Account of the Speakers among the people called Quakers , equally guilty . And that he saith , how little it redounded to Truth 's advantage , he is a witness , he being then in N. E. with me . If it be enough to make a man guilty by the single Evidence of a prejudiced Adversary , he hath hit the Mark ; but if otherwise , he only sheweth his Enmity and Prejudice . But that my Labour in N. E. was not without success , there are at this day in N. E. who will bear witness to it , as also the Certificate I had from the Meeting in Rhode Island , declaring the Vnity they had with me , and the great benefit they had by my labour of love among them ; which Certificate I can produce ; but the witness of God in my conscience hath always been unto me , and ever shall be , more than all witness of men , and is a sufficient defence unto me against this prejudiced adversary , and others of his Stamp , XXXV . page 13 , 14. His falsly accusing me of a Spirit of Wrath and Bitterness , and hating my Brother , &c. [ But sharp Words of Reproof against them to whom they duely belong , are no Argument of Hatred , or that I had not then , or now have not the true Love of God in my Heart : For let my books in these late differences , as well as any others , be compared with most of the Friends books that have writ against Adversaries , and it will be found they have generally exceeded me in sharp Words ; and how far Sam. Jennings , and his Party , have exceeded me in sharp Words , the printed sheet , called , An Expostulation , &c. doth sufficiently prove . And tho sharp words of Reproof be no infallible Argument of Hatred , or of an unchristian Spirit yet to be sure Persecution , in fining or imprisoning men for matters of conscience , is ; whereof S. Jen. hath shewed Himself sufficiently guilty , and who hath discovered Himself , Esau-like , not only by his threatning words , but by his rough hands . XXXIV . His unjustly complaining against me , for my just complaint of too great a laxiness of Church-Discipline among them , and my presenting a Paper to Ministring Friends , in order to have it amended . [ But he mentions nothing wherein that Paper is reprovable ; and until He , or some for Him , can shew the default of it , his blaming me for it , is but another Instance and Evidence of his Prejudice and Enmity against me . XXXVII . His unjustly accusing me of impeaching ( as he terms it ) Friends Testimony , and way of preaching , publickly as well as privately . [ And what could I do less , hearing so frequently such false Doctrine preached , and the Scriptures so grosly perverted , to the publick Scandal of Strangers , that were not of our Profession . Nor was I forward to do any such thing , but very sparingly and modestly did at times correct their false Doctrine ; and most of the Opposition that ever I shewed to them in publick , was in defence of the Truth of the Christian Doctrine and Testimony I did bear , which they did boldly contradict ; and I dealt orderly with them , by private Admonition , which they rejected : And when after I made my complaint to them called , Friends of the Ministry , they did not regard it , so as to pass any due censure upon the guilty , as is sufficiently made apparent in my former printed books , as well as from what is in this before-mentioned . XXXVIII . page 15. His accusing me of tedious , dry and insipid Discourses in their Meetings at Philadelphia ; is as false as it is improper for him so to accuse me ; for how can it be expected , that such a professed Adversary , and open Persecutor , will speak well of me ? But when the Jews accused our blessed Lord of Blasphemy , I need not think strange that Sam. Jennings accuseth me . But for dry and insipid disccurses , he may take it home to himself ; for very many affirm it to be true of himself ; and how an open Persecutor , that rather glorieth in his Wickedness , than repents of it , can have any other Ministry but dry , insipid , yea and burdening , is easie to judge , and which some have judged him for ; and some that have been too much prejudiced against me , yet have disliked him , that they have publickly disowned his Prayer . But however , I may be to him , and some like him , a favour of Death , as the true Ministers of Christ were to some formerly ; yet to such as have Salt in themselves , I have been , and still am , ( through God's mercy ) a savour of Life unto Life . XXXIX . His falsly accusing me , that I said to a meeting of Ministring Friends , There were more damnable Heresies , and Doctrines of Devils among the Quakers , than among any Profession of the Protestants , which , he saith , was taken from my own mouth at that Meeting , and a Minute read to me , and not denied by me ; tho since ( he saith ) I endeavour to evade it . [ But he bringeth no other Proof for this , but his , and his Parties bare Allegation ; which , as I have formerly denied , so I still deny , that ever I charged it indefinitely upon the Quakers , or yet upon that Meeting , viz. met at Burlington , first month , 1691. but only upon a Party in that Meeting , there being in that Meeting about a 3d part of them , that stood with me , and for my Christian Testimony , particularly George Hutcheson , ▪ and Thomas Budd , who have declared , that I said not the Quakers indefinitely ; but them , viz. a Faction of that Meeting , who had sufficiently shewed themselves guilty of the charge , both then and formerly . Yea , as I took notice at the Yearly Meeting at London , 3d month last , 1694. when that Paper he hath now printed , to his shame , was read in the Yearly Meeting , and a Copy of it delivered to me , to answer : In my Answer to it , I shewed them , how that notwithstanding S. J. had named the Name of God , in asserting , I had charged the Quakers ; yet that very Paper , signed by S. J. in contradiction both to it self and to him , doth clear me , that my words were , That they were met together ( see his printed book , page 18. from line 14. where they say , they repeated my words to me , and I declared the same again ) to cloak Heresies and Deceits ; and that there were more damnable Heresies , and Doctrines of Devils among them ; ( Note , it is not said , amongst the Quakers , but them ) which word them , did only relate to a Party or Faction of that Meeting , Or , suppose it did relate to that whole Meeting ( which it did not ) , yet unless they will say , that meeting did represent the Body of the people called Quakers , ( which I judge they will not say ) over all parts of the World where they are , it is evident to be a false accusation , to put the word Quakers for them , not exceeding in number above 13 persons ; which is as false and injurious , as to charge the English with a thing that only 13 , or a few are guilty of . And when I re-minded both S.J. and also the Yearly meeting , that he named the Name of God to a Falshood , which many present did greatly notice , and some did charge him with , he had no other Evasion , but that by them was meant the Quakers ; which is as palpable a perversion , as to charge the English with a Fault that only 13 persons are guilty of : And I at the same time , with true Reverence , naming the Name of God , to clear my Innocency , saying in the presence of God , to the best of my remembrance , I said not the Quakers , but them ; some of the Yearly meeting did severely speak to us , one saying , we had rent the Name of God betwixt us ; another saying , one of us two behoved to be greatly guilty , S. J. having said , in the fear of God , he affirmed that I said the Quakers . And afterwards I produced the Paper of their meeting , signed by S. J. bearing date the 6th of the 7th month , 1672. wherein they declare , that my words were as above-mentioned ; which , they say , the two Friends repeated unto me , Now , Reader , judge what small credit S. J. is worthy of , who by his own declaration , hath printed himself guilty of falsly accusing me , by perverting my words , putting , most fraudulently , Quakers for them ; when yet in the Paper of that meeting , signed by him , he and they declare my words ; were as I have above-mentioned them . XL. And as concerning that Paper , called , The present Case , &c. he hath printed to his own shame , in his book with other the like shameful Papers , as standing Monuments of his unchristian Proceedings given out by his Party , 20th of the 4th month , and signed by himself , it containing palpable contradiction , and giving the ●ie to it self , as is above noted . I need not say much to it , but to deny what they falsly charge me with , as that in a wrathful and better Spirit , I reviled and abused the said Meeting , they charging me with brittleness of disposition ; ( but my being preserved by my gracious God , constant in my Christian Testimony , and Conversation , proveth them false accusers in this , as in other things ; for had I been brittle , their unchristian Practices towards me had long a-go broken me ; but God has mercifully preserved me , and to him alone I give the praise ) charging me with the breach whereof they , and not I , were guilty ; and with calumniating several persons , not giving them Gospel-Order in any Church-way ; all which are false charges . As also , that they say in their Paper , Notice was given me of the time to which the Meeting was adjourned , viz. to a fortnight longer , having appointed some Friends to visit me . But in this they use great prevarication , hiding their deceit in ambiguous Words . That two came to me in the Evening of that Meeting , before their fortnight Adjournment , I own it ; but that they told me either the precise day , hour or place of their meeting , I altogether deny it ; or that they did in the least desire me to come to it ; yea , their Paper signifieth no such thing ; but only that Notice was given me of the time ; but what particular time or place , they mention not ; for that called a Fortnight , sometimes includes 14 days , sometimes 15 or 16 : But what if I had known the precise day , hour and place , which I did not , ( for sometimes they met at one place and sometimes at another , and sometime at one part of the day and sometime at another ) is that enough to excuse their proceeding so violently and furiously against me , without calling me to hear things charged and proved against me ? But their Paper doth not so much as alledg , that I had any call to come to their meeting ; therefore it is a plain case , they are fallacious , and seek to deceive the simple with their fallacious words . And what if they had called me , and I had refused to come , as was not so ? If they had been endued with the patient and long-suffering Spirit of Christ , they would have again and again , at least twice or thrice , calld me , before they had past such a severe Judgment against me , as not only to Un-Minister and Un-Christian me , but to represent me as one of the worst of men ; was this like the restoring me in a spirit of meekness ? Do not humane Judicatories condemn them in this case , who commonly , before they pass censure , in many cases , call , or summons them twice or thrice , who are accused as guilty persons ; and in case of not appearance , on the first ●●tation , do not pass a positive sentence against them , till they have another citation , or some considerable time allowed to make their appearance , in case of absence , which was my case . XLI . He falsly accuseth my printed Treatise , called , The Plea of the Lu●●cent , and so doth his Party ( see his book , page 20. ) to be a furious condemntion against them . [ But it was only a Just Defence and Vindication of my Innocency and Christian Testimony , and Reputation , which they most ●nchristianly had laboured to destroy , with their most false Accusations , and bi●ter Revilings and Invectives . And yet S.J. is so impudent , as to call th●s scandalous Paper of their meeting aforesaid , signed by himself only , The Act of such a Meeting as cannot in charity be suspected to be partial or unjust therein . But it is now new thing to hear Darkness called Light , Falshood Truth , &c. XLII . In their Postscript to their said Paper , there are also a great many Fallacies and Falshoods , too tedious to enumerate ; To give an instance in some particulars , 1. That one of my followers ( as he scornfully calleth him ) read part of our Paper that he calleth a Challenge , while Thomas Jauney was at Prayer . Here they use a Fallacy ; for while that person was civilly reading that Paper , to interrupt his reading , as was usual to them in other cases , T. J. kneeled down to prayer ; so the disorder was in T. J. not in that other person : And his standing up in the Window , was but in order to be heard : And if he did come in at the Window , being as open as the Door , which I know not that he did , it is like it was , that the throng of People was so great in the Door , that he could not have access . Are not these silly and pitiful things to print , so as to make such small innocent circumstances to be crimes . But when he wants better stuff , he must build with straw and stubble . 2. They say , They promised to give me a suitable hearing to my Appeal , provided I would stay till the day appointed for business . But this was nothing but a meer evasion ; for they knew in their conscience , that many Friends , as well as Friendly People , would be gone home before that time they appointed : besides , they had no power to appoint a time to us , and to delay a matter of such great concern to the last day of the meeting , which would have required several days to have things fairly heard and examined . 3. That we refused to hear them that were sent of their side , with a Message to us . But their fallacy is great in this , that they conceal the rude carriage of those they call Messengers , that while one of our Friends was reading a Paper , these called Messengers came in a most tumultuous manner , and one of them stood up on a bench , and read his Paper , while our Friend was reading ; and they that came in with him , or them , called Messengers , raised such an hideous Noise with Voice and Feet , that was a great shame to hear of ; and this was the occasion of our removing , not willing to stay to see such disorder . 4. Their saying in their Paper , That we set up those who made little or no profession of Truth , for our Judges ; is both a falshood and a fallacy . It happened that one person set his Name to the Paper ( unknown to us generally ) that was not under the profession of Truth ; but after we knew of it , we razed out his Name : but I never heard , nor knew of any more , being all , generally , not only under a profession of the Truth long before the separation , but of Good Report among Friends . But we can prove , and have proved , that divers of them that signed their scandalous Paper of their Yearly meeting against us , were guilty of scandalous conversation . 5. That that Paper given out from our Yearly meeting , was drawn up and compleated according to my direction . This is an absolute falshood . 6. As for some hard words that I gave some of them , on extraordinary provocation , they have far exceeded me , as have been sufficiently proved , calling me not only Hypocrite , but Raunter , wi●ed man , even when I have been at prayer , in great tenderness ; and S. J. owneth , that he called me Apostate ; and at the same time when he professed to come and visit me in Love , and deal with me by admonition in a Church-way , he called me not only Apostate , but worse than profane . And is it not great Hypocrisie in S. J. so to aggravate some hard words of mine , and to pass by so many , much more hard , as well as more in number of theirs , without the least noticing . Do a few hard words of mine , prove me a wicked man , as S. J. and his party conclnde , and yet their many more , and more hard words against me , prove them to be Saints ? But let the merit of the cause be examined , and a just account be cast up , and I fear not but S. J. and his party , will be found to have far exceeded , in giving hard words . But whereas they labour to represent me , as extraordinary passionate , and impatient , they are most unfair and partial Judges in the case : It is known to many that well know me , that God hath endued me with a good measure of patience ; and what I have born with much patience , is best known to God. As for the Terms , Blood-thirsty Hounds , it is well known to many on what occasion I gave it to some , that accused me in a publick meeting , of a thing most falsly , that had it been believed against me , tended to destroy my Natural Life ; and I might as well call such Blood-thirsty Hounds , as Fox , in his Book of Martyrs , called some Papists , Hell-Hounds , who sought to destroy the Natural Lives of some good Christians , in the days of the Martyrs . The man I called impudent Rascal , I meant it in the Scripture-sence , to wit , as being a vile person ; the Hebrew word Nebal , translated vile person in our English Bible , signifying properly Nebulo in Latin , and that is Rascal in English , and this for boldly asserting a vile Error , having said before divers Witnesses , he did not believe to be saved by that which died at Jerusalem ; and most unchristianly falling upon me , in a monthly meeting , saying , Doth the Spirit speak in Trees ? I Having asserted , that God was present in all the Creatures , as Trees , Herbs , Grass , which some of that meeting , even Ministers , did dispute against ; and the above-mentioned Person , with others , urging me most unchristianly , to promise an absolute submission to the Judgment of that meeting ; and I not giving , they refused to give any Judgment in the case , tho I have appealed to them : And at this Meeting S.J. was present ; but takes no notice of the Blasphemy some of that Meeting was guilty of ▪ against both God and Christ ; but only of some hard words given to one or two men ; which is a great Argument of his Hypocrisie , and that to him , Blasphemy against God and Christ is a lesser offence than an hard word against man. Beside , is it not great hypocrisie in S.J. to accuse me for calling one Rascal who was guilty of vile Blasphemy , whereas he called an honest Friend , viz. John Smith , several times Rascal , Rascally Fellow , and worse than an Infidel , without any Just Provocation , as J.S. hath declared in print . See page . 21. of the Tryal . As for the words they alledge I said , Cut me in Collops , fry me , eat me , he is most unfair and partial , in not telling the occasion , which was their extreme threatning me with their Magistratical Power , and saying , I deserved to be punished , thinking to put me in fear ; but I feeling great boldness and courage given me , uttered some such words , remembring , yea and mentioning at that very time , the like words of the Martyr La●rentius , cited in Fox's Book of Martyrs ; and why should this be supposed a Crime in me , which was judged a Vertue in him ; and G.F. in his Journal , page 86. declareth , That after some of the rude multitude had beat him on his Head , Aims and Shoulders , &c. stretching out his Arms among them , he said with a loud Voice , Strike again , here are my Arms , my Head and my Cheeks . But this , according to S.J. his way of Reasoning , could be no persecution that G. F. suffered , because he so much desired it , as to bid them strike again . See page 3. of S.J. his book . [ Sam. Jennings doth further bewray his great ignorance and perverseness , in making it a Crime in me , that after I had given some of them some hard words , which were but their due , I should say , I was like our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ , comparing my self to a Dove , a Lamb , while I thus appeared ( as he alledgeth , in a great transport of heat and passion . For are not all the Followers of the Lord Jesus like him , whereof I am one ? And he hath not , nor can prove the contrary , that I am not ; and all his Followers are compared in Scripture to Doves and Lambs , which may well consist with great warmth of Christian Zeal against vile Errors and wicked Practices , whereof S. J. and his party were guilty , and of which they have shewed no Repentance . But suppose I had bewrayed at that time , some sinful passion , on great provocation , doth that prove me , that I did not belong to Christ , or had nothing of the true Nature of a Christian alive in me ? Surely if every sinful passion unchristian men , Sam. Jennings and his party , have fully unchristianed themselves . But let the Impartial judge , whether Sam. Jennings , or I , be most unlike the true Christian ; I , for giving him and his Party only some hard words , or he for not only giving me hard words , but for persecuting me and others with Fines and Imprisonments for matters of conscience ? It is a common observation , that Woolves hunt the Sheep , but never that the Sheep hunt the Woolves ; and he that was born after the flesh ( as saith the Scripture ) did persecute him that was born after the spirit . 8. Their reproaching , and falsly accusing the sober and true-hearted Friends of our meeting at Philadelphia , which are known by many , not only to equal , but to exceed most of the other side , in Christian Conversation , calling them Apostates . But that some of the more loose sort of other Professions come to our meetings , can be no fault ; for they generally come to all Friends meetings every where ; and Friends neve● did forbid them , but rather did allow them to come , hoping they might be benefitted by their coming , as many have been . But their calling divers sober and friendly people that came to our meetings , the Rabble , is neither Christ an nor prudent ; for it drove them away from their meetings ; thus acting like unskillful I i●hers , that drive away the Fish from the Net , instead of gathering them . 9. The Instances I gave , mentioned by S. J. pag. 24. of their not having that infallible discerning they pretended to , of ones being guilty of Drunkenness , another of Adultery , was in answer to their falsly boasting of such an high discerning that some of them at that time laid claim unto . But that ever I charged the Light within as not being able to give an infallible discerning , as is insinuated , I altogether deny . 10. That it is alledged by them , I called Thomas Everdon , Hypocrite , &c. and yet the day before , said , I had good Unity with him : that I called him hypocrite , I own it , and have sufficiently proved it , in that printed sheet , called , False Judgments reprehended , and a just Reproof to Tho. Everdon . But that the day before I said , I had Good Vnity with him , is false ; for I remember well , that I said , having heard him declare some words in the meeting , that I owned the words , or matter of his Declaration at that time , to be true , and had Unity with the said matter ; but that I had Unity with his Spirit , or so said , I altogether deny . And I return this , together with many other Untruths , boldly affirmed ( but not at all proved ) by him and them against me . 11. His and their alledging , that I left the Gallery , is a gross fallacy and perversion ; for they drove me out of it , as many can witness ; so that I had not room , nor conveniency to stand in it , by their pressing me with the strength of their bodies , from the place where I stood in it , which some of our Friends observing , that used not to sit in the Gallery , went once or twice into the Gallery , to keep them off from so pressing me . 12. Their saying , I laugh'd at the pulling down of their Gallery , is another Perversion and Abuse : The case was thus ; One of their side said to me , They were come to break down my Idol , divers of them having Axes and Saws in their hand , to break down the New Gallery , which one of them falsly called my Idol : I replied with a smiling countenance , it was not my Idol . 13. Their alledging , that losing ground by my extream passion and ill conduct in these meetings , I left them , and retired to our separate meeting ; which is also a gross perversion and misrepresentation . [ For as they first drove me out of the Gallery , and otherwise grosly abused me in it , ( many of them speaking to me at once , by way of interruption , in my peaceable Testimony , tho it was not my way to interrupt them , in their Declaration , as many can witness ) so at last , while I stood on the stair , on the other side of the house , one of their Church-members punched me with his Feet , which I acquainting them with , gave such dissatisfaction to some strangers present , that they were like to have cast him down the stairs , some crying , throw him down ; so for Peace-sake , and to prevent these disorders for time to come , we left the Meeting-house , to which we had equal Right with them , that we might enjoy our meetings peaceably , 14. Their alledging , That a great part of our meeting times was spent in my personal Vindication , and in rendring Friends as odious and contemptible as the Malice and Lies of the worst of our Adversaries would have us to be , is extreamly false and abusive : It was but little I said in defence of my , and our Christian Testimony ; much of our time was spent in silent waiting upon the Lord , a thing little practised amongst them ; and when I , or any other declared , in our meetings , it was generally in a Doctrinal way , and sometimes in way of Exhortation , without medling with personal Reflections . 15. Their alledging , that the several established meetings in the 3 Provinces , have disowned me , is a fallacy and perversion , like the former ; for only their Faction . in these 3 Provinces have so done ; but many Friends still own me in all the 3 Provinces , and have their established meetings . 16. Their saying , I hurried all on a start for England , is also false ; for I had made it known to many long before I went away , and d●d it with great deliberation , having intended for England before the separation began . And Lastly , their charging me with great Apostacy , and persecuting Christ in his followers , I reject as false , and most properly belonging to them , who have been active , some of the chiefest of them , and especially 〈◊〉 in persecuting us both with Tongue and Hands , and the rest approving them in so doing . And thus I have answered to most of the things contained in their said Paper and Postscript they call , The present Case truly stated , &c. and which was te●d at the Yearly meeting at London , 1694. But it doth not appear , by that called , A true account of the Proceedings of the Yearly Meeting , that they gave any great credit to it ; nor do they pass any such sentence against me , as to Judge me Apostate , nor confirm the false Judgments given cut in Pensilvania , and elsewhere , against me ; but owned me in Fellowship with them ; and when I prayed at an appointed meeting , in the upper Room in Grace-Church-street-Meeting-house , when many , or most of the Ministring Friends of the Yearly Meeting were present , they generally Joined with me , in being discovered when I prayed ; which if they had Judged me to be an Apostate , to be sure they would not have done ; and at the Yearly meeting , many of the Ministry declared , they were refreshed and comforted in my Testimony I did bear among them , and took me kindly by the hand after meeting ; all which sufficiently prove the Yearly Meeting did not Judge me worthy of that Character which this scurrilous Paper I have now answered , doth seem to fix on me . Yea , and after that Friends at London had heard of the separation , in their Letters to us , writing particularly to George Hutcheson and me , as well as to Thomas Lloid and Sam. Jennings , they call us , Dear Friends and Brethren , and declare their dissatisfaction with our denying one another , as the Letters I have to produce , do sufficiently shew . But that they insinuate it as a Reason of their not Printing against me , page 24. about the middle of the page , hoping ( say they ) to have somewhat thereby kept this unhappy difference from being made more publick by us , as much as in us lay , and as well aswe could . [ This I proved to be a notorious Falshood , at the yearly Meeting , by producing a Letter of John Delawal , one of their chief Persons that gave out that Paper called , The present Case truly stated , &c. signed with his own Hand , which was then read ; where he gives the reason of their not printing against me , That they had not an impartial Printer , which if they had , they would have printed against me . His words are expresly these . If there had been an impartial Printer here , thy scurrility and notorious Calumnies against us , who never merited it from thee , would long e're this have been detected ; the date of his Letter is Philadelphia , 2d . 11th . Month , 1692. Beside , it is manifest Hypocrisie in them , to say , they hoped to have kept this unhappy difference from being made more publick by them , as much as in them lay , and as long as they could ; when on the contrary , as much as in them lay , they made it publick all ways imaginable , ( Printing excepted ; and that because of their prejudice against the Printer ) by causing , and in most Places forcing this false Judgment of theirs to be read and published against us in all the Meetings of the three Provinces ; and sending Copies of it far and near , to remote Places , and over to England , which arrived before any of our printed Books ; and by causing a Proclamation to be read against me at the Market Pl●ce ; and many other malicious and invective Papers and Letters in Manuscripts they sent out against me to Berbadoes , Jamaica , Virginia , New England and Old England , which I never saw ; and as I oft told them , their manner of fighting against me , was like the Indians , that skulk behind T●e●s , and shoot at Men in the open Field ; for most of their work against me , was by a clandestine way of back-biting me , and calumniating me by false Stories , Lyes and Forgeries ; a most shameful Libel , and bundle of them being read against me at the yearly Meeting last at London , without any Name to them , at which , some in the Meeting said , it was a shame that such a shameless Libel should be read against me . XLIII . page 28. In his following Pages , from 28 to 31 , for want of Matter , he but repeateth the same things , formerly mentioned by him for most part , and which I have so fully answered , I need not spend time , nor Paper , to repeat my Answers to them . But that he saith , the two Friends appointed from the Meeting to visit me , viz. himself , and Griffith Owen , desired me to be present at the next Meeting , I utterly deny to be true ; and as he hath none to prove it to be true , so I have some to prove it to be false , who were present so far as a negative can be proved , there having been three present , who all declared they heard no such thing , one of them being now in England , the other two in America . My taking occasion to be out of Town , as alledged by him , to slight the Meeting , is another gross falshood ; for I went out of Town upon my necessary Occasion , having no knowledge either of the particular time , or place of their Meeting . His Complaint against the Judgment concerning W.S. page 30. is invalid ; for he refused to come , being sent for , and in Town ; and beside , the Judgment was very moderate concerning him , they neither denying his Ministry , nor Christi●nity ; but desiring him to desist from exercising his Gift till he did own his Error , &c. And his Complaint against the judgment of our yearly Meeting at Burlington , is as invalid , for they had sufficient notice by our printed Appeal , and the Messengers that we sent to them , from time to time , which they rejected . Beside , that at that time they neither owned our Judicatory , nor we theirs . XLIV . page 30. That he saith , the yearly Meeting at London hath determined it , viz. That the Separation lyeth at my door ; his meaning being , that by their Judgment the only fault of it lyeth at my door , is a Falshood and Perversion ; for I have shown in my Answer to Tho. Elwood , that they lay not the whole blame of it upon me , but in part , if not mainly , upon them ; see my Book called , A seasonable Information , page 26 , And what he calleth a clear Demonstration , done by T. E. charging me with the blame of the Separation , I have sufficiently demonstrated to be no such thing , but a demonstration of his Ignorance , Folly and Perversion . XLV . page 31. He proceeds in some new Charges against me , some of which are partly true , and partly false ; and some of them utterly false . 1. That I said to John Wilsford , Friends were not the People , but that there must come another People : That I said these express words I remember not ; but if it be meant , that I did or do expect , that there will be a People raised up , more pure then that greatly mixed People that are called by the common Name of Quakers ; and are generally known by the single Language of Thee and Thou to one Person ; plain Habit , and other small 〈◊〉 called by some , but most improperly , The form of Truth ; bearing as 〈◊〉 proportion to the form of Truth , as a piece of the outmost skirt of a Mans Garment doth to the whole Garment . I freely declare , I do exp●●t that God will raise up a purer People , than the generality that go under that Name ; it being generally owned and lamented by the faithful among us , that there is a great mixture among us , both of Ignorance and evil Conversation . But when a greater Reformation cometh , I hope , and believe that faithful Friends will still belong to that more reformed and refined People , who shall then be found alive . 2. That I told Caleb Pusie and others , That there were not six Friends in America , nor in England , 〈…〉 in the whole World , that preached Christ aright . This I disown as an absolute Forgery ; my words were , That I knew not six in Pensilvania , that preached Christ aright at that time ; and no more I did . 3. That I had that to preach , that was never yet preached by any Quaker . But what if I had so said , 〈◊〉 meaning any new fundamental Principle , but some further opening of some Places of Scripture , not yet understood perhaps by any other among us . If this be a Crime in me , then they must needs judge , they are come to the highest degree and top of all divine Knowledge , and nothing is further to be discovered . But who think so , I cannot but pitty their great Ignorance , as well as Arrogancy and Presumption . 4. That I had l●ss now against water Baptism than formerly ; I do not remember the words . It is known by my former printed Books , I have been moderate in my Judgment concerning both water Baptism , and the Supper , in the outward use of Bread and Wine , chiefly blaming the great formality in Mens pra●tising these things , and resting in the outward Practise of them ; but not universally judging or concluding , that God neither did , nor would move any ●y his Spirit to practi●e them , since the Apostles days ; but rather allowing , it might be possible , that some were or might be moved ; wherein I have the printed Testimonies both of John Crook , and Geo. Bishop , in their Treatises concerning Friends Principles ; and also the Testimonies of other Friends to the same effect concurring with me . And if I had so said , as is alledged , what great Offence could it be , considering that I did find too many in these American parts , that together with rejecting these Outward signs , have rejected the things signified by them , viz. the Body and Blood of Christ , as being any Necessary matter to be believed for Justification and Salvation ; And I have said , and say again , it is far better to receive both , viz. the signs , and things signified by them , than to reject both , as some do . 5. That I saw now , that Hicks and Faldo had more Reason to write as they did , concerning the Quakers ; than I then thought they had . But this is an absolute falshood , as laid down . It is like I have said , If they had but charged only some particulars , called Quakers , some of their charges would have proved true ; for I have found some of them true , to my sad Experience ; but I ever blamed them , and 〈◊〉 , that they charged these things universally , which , I know , 〈…〉 , and some of them falsly charged upon me . 6. That if I should appear in opposition to friends , I could do more hurt than all that yet had appeared against them . It is a false and invidious charge , which I utterly ●eject and abhor ; I hope I shall never appear in opposition to faithfull ●●ends , nor ever was it in my heart to hurt any , nor ever , I hope , shall it be . But if it be any hurt , by word and writ , to testifie against vile Errors and wicked Practices , it is only to hurt the Devil's Kingdom . But that he saith , All these things will be proved against me , if I deny them , and much more of a like tendency : I ask him , Why hath he not now done it ? For until he prove them , None that are impartial , will believe them . Beside , by whom will be prove them , seeing he hath none but his own Party to give proof in the case ? which , as it is no Authentick Proof among men , so especially not in this case , whom I have sufficiently proved partial and unfair . For his unchristian and uncharitable insinuations against me , in the latter part of his page 31. grounded upon falshoods and perversion , I pass , as not worth further noticing . XLVI : page 32. He falsly insinuates against me , not only that I am gone from Truth , but that I have dealt treacherously with the Yearly Meeting , by appearing in print against them , instead of submitting to their Advise and Judgment . [ But there is nothing appeareth in that called , The Judgment of the Yearly Meeting , as if it were their sense that I am gone from Truth . And it is a most false suggestion , that I have dealt treacherously with them ' for I took their Advice , in clearing Truth and faithful Friends , by what I printed : And that I printed any thing against the Yearly meeting , I deny ; and he cannot prove it . But if I have printed against them , it could not be called Treachery , seeing Treachery signifieth some breach of promise , or underhand dealing , none of which I am guilty of ; for what I have printed , I declared before them that gave forth that Paper , that I had a mind to do it , for clearing the Truth and my innocency . XLVII . He grosly perverteth , and abuseth his Reader , when he accuseth me ▪ and them with me at the Yearly Meeting , that we shrunk from the charge , when called upon in the Yearly meeting at London , to make it good , none of us having courage enough to own , or st●nd by that ( as he calls it ) malicious , scandalous Libel , called , New England ▪ s Spirit of Persecution , &c. for I freely declared in that meeting , That I was not the Author of all that book ; but that that part that concerned my own . Trial , was mine . But that I charged him either with Drunkenn●ss , or Riding an Horse-Race , or some other things simply narrated , by way of Relation in that book , as is common in books called Tryals , &c. I deny it ; and he cannot prove it ; therefore I did n●t shrink from my charge ; nor do I know that any of them that were so concerned with me , did so charge him ; our charge being against him , that he had given false Judgment against us , and was guilty of Persecution , and acting unchristianly and unjustly towards us ; which charge we did not shrink from , but sufficiently proved against him ; and all his silly Evasions and Quibbles have not cleared him , nor ever can clear him . Nor do I find , that the said book of the Trial doth positively charge him either with Drunkenness or Horse-Racing , but simply , as to that , narrates the Proceedings of the Court , how things did pass there , XLVIII . p. 33. He perversly accuseth us , as doing neither manly nor honestly , for not declaring who were the Authors of the rest of that book , because some of us gave this for our Reason of our concealment , That S. J. might take the advantage of the Law against them . And he querieth , Will they , to defame a person , do that which shall subject them to the correction of the Law , yet do it clandestinely , to avoid the stroke of Justice , and plead conscience and Christian constraint for it too ? I answer to his Query , 1. I know nothing in all that book , that doth defame , or wrong him , if his own Actions had not defamed him ; for books that give an account of mens Trials at Sessions and Assizes , being commonly simple Narratives , cannot be said to defame the Persons tried , if they do no other but give a true Relation of things . 2. The concealing the Authors Name , or Names , was not to avoid the stroke of Justice , but to avoid any farther occasion of S. J. his Injustice , and Persecuting them unjustly ; for I know not that the Authors of that book have writ any thing in it that can justly , in the least , submit them to the correction of the Law. But we know how oft men abuse the Law , and under pretence of Justice , act unjustly , as S. J. hath manifestly done . But if concealing mens Names , lest Persecutors be gratified , be such a Crime , by the same Argument S. J. makes many Friends guilty , yea , many Friends of the Ministry , who have concealed their Names , when asked in a meeting , when they have been declaring , when the Act of 20l. for preaching in an unlawful Assembly ( as it was called ) was in force : Also divers Friends that have writ books of Trials , and Court-Proceedings , have concealed their Names ; witness W. Pen's and W. Mede's Trial : and by S. J. his false Logick , this was done to defame persons , and a doing of that which did subject them to the correction of the Law , and done clandestinely to avoid the stroke of Justice . But if his Logick be bad in the last ( as doubtless it is ) it is so in the first . XLIX . He most falsly accuseth me , That I knew that divers matters of charge against him therein were false : whereupon he inferreth , that I have finned against Knowledge , and ma●●●iously and premeditately abused him . But his Antecedent is false ( and he brings no shadow of Proof for it ) and therefore so is his Consequent . L. He most uniustly blames me , for spreading some of the said Books , called , The Trial. But until he prove , that the Authors of that book have any way wronged him , he is unjust in blaming me , for spreading of them ; nor will the spreading of them ( if I had so done ) intitle me to own all to be true that is in every Line of that book ; for he is so confident , that he hath Reprinted the private Letter of Peter Bosse , sent to him , which was also printed in the book called , The Tryal ; and yet he will not say , that doth intitle him to own every thing charged on him in that Letter . Therefore his Reason , as a man , ( not to say his true Logick ; for he is innocent of that ) in this , as in other things , hath utterly failed him ; for his prejudice blinds him , and takes away from him the use of his common Reason , as a man , as any may see that is not as blind as himself . LI. page 34. That he saith , He can prove me guilty of that called a Lyar , proves himself guilty of it , until he bring his proof , which yet he hath not done ; for no man ought to be accused of a thing , and for a Gro●●● of his Accusation , say , he can prove the thing true for which he is accused , and yet give no proof : for at this rate he may accuse a man of Felony 〈◊〉 Murder , and give no other Ground for his Accusation , but to say , he can prove it . LII . p. 34. He most impudently , and as with a Forehead of Brass , doth justifie his calling me , an Apostate , and worse than profane ; all his proof being , that it is so evident , that to go about to prove it , were a work of Supererrogation . But at this rate , he might have spared all his pains , and so may every one , when his proof fails him , say , it is so evident , that to prove it , were a work of Supererrogation . But this is meerly to trif●le , and more like a man that either hath not common sense or shame . But if the thing be so evident , that I am an Apostate , and worse than profane , how is it that the Yearly meeting hath been so far from passing any such Judgment on me , that they did not in the least forbid Friends to receive my Ministry , but rather recommended it to them , to be kind to me ; and most of the Ministring Friends at the Yearly meeting at London , ( as above-mentioned ) joyned with me in Prayer ; and so have City-Friends , at some of the publick meetings of Friends in London . Doth he not here grievously reflect on them all , as being guilty of joyning with a man in Prayer , that is an Apostate , and worse than profane . But he hath not shewed , nor can he shew , wherein my Apostacy doth appear , either in Doctrine or Practice . LIII . He is guilty of gross perversion , in misconstruing my just charge against him , in my calling it Rank Popery in him and his Faction , to require an absolute submission from me , to the Judgment of their Meeting , in a matter of Faith and Conscience , as that was : for that it is Rank Popery , all sincere Protestants will say , to require an absolute submission to the Judgment of any man or meeting , in a matter of Faith and Conscience ; for no Profession in Christendom , that I know , but the Papal Church , requireth absolute submission to her Judgment in matters of Faith ; for to require it , implies , that such who require it , think themselves absolutely infallible , which is another branch of Rank Popery . Now his misconstruction is this , that my allowing a conditional submission in the case , hath this sense , if the Party , or Parties like the Judgment , they will yeild to it , but not otherwise . But I gave him no Ground for this gross perversion and misconstruction of my words ; for persons may like or dislike a thing , without any just cause . The true sense of a conditional submission in that case is , that so far as the Judgment of any meeting , whereof a man is a member , is according to the Judgment of the Spirit of Truth , ( the only supreme Judge of matters of Faith ) and the Testimony of the Holy Scriptures , the greatest outward Test , and Rule of Tryal ; so far , and no farther , is he to submit to them , ●●eing no meeting is absolutely , and in all cases and respects , infallible , as Francis Hongel hath well asserted and proved , in one of his printed Treatises , against a 〈◊〉 bound up with his other books , in Folio . And seeing S. j , hath 〈◊〉 ●●cted a conditional submission , as insufficient , he must needs 〈…〉 lute submission of mens Faith and Conscience , to the meeting 〈◊〉 ●f they 〈…〉 , which , I say again , is Rank Popery , and a very great Apostacy from one of the great fundamental Principles of the People called Quakers , that hold the Light in every man's Conscience , to be the Supreme Judg and Rule of Judgment in matters of Religion ; for it was an ordinary manner of speech among the Ministers among us , To the Light in every Conscience I speak ; and they did not direct Friends to the Light in others without them ; for that to be sure derogates from the sufficiency of the Light in our selves , to tell us , we must not believe what the Light in our selves convinceth us of , if it happen to contradict the Judgment of men that call themselves the Church . LIV. He confesseth , he said somewhat to that effect , as was charged against him by me , viz. That to do God's business we needed Gods Wisdom and Power ; but to do our own business , as men , we needed it not . But he alledgeth , I pervert his intention therein , wherein he falsly chargeth me ; for he maketh me put this gloss upon his words , as if he thought we had a self-sufficiency to do our own business , as men ; he adds , I know that all our strength and abilities are from God. But as I put no such gloss on his words , so he still equivocates , not defining what he means by Strength and Ability ; for if he mean but Natural Strength and Ability , which is also from God , as to eat , walk . , &c. he saith no more than any Pelagian will say . But if he mean a supernatural Power and influence of the Spirit of God , to guide us in our common affairs , he must recant and retract his former gross Error . But he not only f●lly accuseth me , but perverteth the state of the Question ; which was not ●s he now stated it , Whether there be not a greater Necessity to wait for it , viz. the Power and Wisdom of the Word of Life , to manage the outward part of Church Affairs , than our common Affairs . But I leave it to all spiritually minded , whether even to manage our common Affairs , it be not necessary to wait for the Power and Wisdom of the Word of Life , to guide us , as much as is po●sible for us , even at all times ; and no more to be remiss in the one than in the other . LV. page ▪ 36. In his excusing his not submiting to the Judgment of the Mens Meeting , in a worldly Matter betwixt T. Budd and him , he perverts the case to c●●ak his Partiality , by alledging , It s improper for any Religious Society to interrupt or alter the Will of the Deceased . But he hath not showed , and I suppose cannot show , that that Meeting required any such thing of him ; or whether that was it which was to be submitted ; the which if it were , he makes to be a great reflection on the Injustice of the Meeting . But if it be improper for a Meeting to require a Submission , tending to alter the Will of the Deceased ; How much more improper was it in S. J. to require me to submit my Faith and Conscience to him , and them of that Meeting , whereof only Christ and God is Lord and Sovereign ? And if the Will of mortal Man iss not to be altered , much less the Will and Testament of our blessed Lord ; a part whereof is to stand fast in the Liberty where●●th Christ hath made us free , and not to submit our Faith and Conscience to fasllible Men. LVI . He perverts the Case again , in his Answer to that other charge , of his refusing to submit to the Judgment of Friends at London , in the difference betwixt Edward Billing and him . 1. He saith he did submit so far as he had power , else , how came a Judgment to be given in the matter ; against which , he saith , I never heard him open his Mouth ? But these are poor Evasions . A Judgment might be given , and he not submit to the Equity and Justice of it ; yea , he knoweth in his Conscience , he did not submit to the Equity of it , but still justified his Proceedings , in throwing off the Trust committed to him by his Master Edw. Billings ; and that I never heard him open his Mouth against it , is no Argument , he did submit to the Justice of it . I did not say I heard him open his Mouth against it , but others heard him ; and the thing is sufficiently known , that he hath all along justified his throwing off his Trust committed to him from Ed. Billing , and taking a new Trust or Commission from the People . 2. That he saith , the difference lay not betwixt Edw. Billing and him , but betwixt Edw. Billing and the Province of West Jersey , is notoriously false ; for it lay not only betwixt the Province and E. B. but also , and that greatly , betwixt E. B. and him . 3. Whereas he saith , it is false , that the Meeting judged him guilty of betraying his Trust to E. B. It is not enough for him to say it is false , but he should prove it to be false . 4. Whereas he saith , There is no such thing in their Judgment , which he saith he hath still by him : Let him produce a true Copy of that Judgment , and if there be no such thing in it , either expresly , or to that effect , then I shall acknowledge , I did unadvisedly so charge him ; but till then he must have me excused , to remain in my sense , that I justly charged him , having it from such that I have cause better to trust , then I have to trust him , whom I have proved guilty of Prevarication . But seeing he confesseth a Judgment was given , it cannot be supposed it was against E. B. for Friends at that time assisted E. B. to recover the Government , and to appoint a new Deputy , as accordingly he did , and S. J. was turned out , as the general Observation of the Country was . And if it was not against E. B. it was against S. J. for if it was against the Province of West Jersey , it was against him , seeing if the Province did ill , to make S. J. the Governor , it necessarily followeth , he did ill to accept of it ; and he knoweth , that when he did go to purge himself in the yearly Meeting at London , in relation to that Judgment , some that knew well enough what that Judgment was , did oppose him in that respect . But I did not meddle with the Merit of the Cause in my so charging him , whether he did ill in that Affair above mentioned ; only I did argue ad bo●inem , that seeing S. J. did refuse to submit to the Equity of that Judgment , in a worldly Matter , it was most unreasonable in him to require ●f me an absolute Submi●sion , in a Matter that is Spiritual , viz. Fait● and Conscience . For his Reflections on my worthy Friend Geo. 〈◊〉 , I pa●s them , as not worth answering ; for they contain nothing of any real Matter against him , but 〈…〉 railing ; and I question not 〈◊〉 G. H. can well enough answer to any thing S. J. hath objected against him . But that he sath it is a notorious 〈◊〉 and ●●nder , that he went 〈…〉 Disunity with the most faithful Friends ; he boldly indeed saith it , but without all proof or probability . For it is much more probable , that it is true than false ; for he not owning the Equity of their Judgment , in so far at least he was in Disunity with them , and it was not about a Trifle , but a matter of great weight , wherein Sentence or Judgment was given against him . And whereas he saith , he knoweth it to be false , and there is not a sillable to prove it , that the People were generally weary of his too severe Government . I answer , it being charged on him , where the Book was printed , viz. in America , and where he exercised his Government , it is unreasonable in him , to demand it to be proved here , as divers other things of that Nature cannot in reason be demanded to be proved here . But if it were to be proved in west Jersey it self , I doubt not , but I should get scores to assert it , and prove it also , and that sufficiently . But in part it can be proved here , for some here in London , are ready to witness , how most unmercifully he caused one to whip a Friends Son , for a very small Trespass ; and caused a Man to sell his Horse to him , after he had sold him to another Man. LVII . He grosly perverts the Case also , in excusing his saying , That tho' I denyed their Judgment , yet they would judge me ; saying , I could not trample upon it as false , before I knew what it was . For he speaking these words in a menacing insolent manner , wholly unbecoming a Judge , did sufficiently show , they intended a Judgment of Condemnation against me , as the event proved ; and I could expect no other from such prejudiced Persons ; therefore I say still , I might well say , I did trample upon it , &c. being false . LVIII . His perverse way of reasoning , That their Judgment of the 28th is ●rue , first from Friends in all Places being so unanimous in it . [ But this is palpably false , hundreds of faithful Friends in dive●s Places have not owne● it ; and I know not that he can shew one Meeting of Friends in all England , that doth own it , that is either monthly , quarterly , or yearly Meeting ; for the Paper called , The Judgment of the yearly Meeting at London , doth not own it ; however , in some things , they blame both sides ; yet they did not disown me , or render me gone from truth , as the Judgment of the 28th doth . But his second Argument is as false and weak as the first , viz. from my and our Measures under it . But ought we not to be uneasie under your Wickedness , and false Judgment , ought not the Sins of others to be a burthen to us ? Was not Crist grieved and burdened with the Wickedness and Enmity of the Jews against him , and were not the true Prophets and Apostles grieved with the wickedness and false Judgments of false Prophets and Apostles ? Oh! how carnal and unsensible seems this Man to be , as if he had never known or felt the burden of other Mens Sins , too great an Argument , he never duly felt the burden of his own Sins ; for , who feel the one , will , no doubt , feel the other . And how could we but be grieved and uneasie to see so many blinded and deceived by that false Judgment given out against us ? so that our Ministry , that formerly was well received by them , came to be rejected ; and they did what they could , by their false Judgment , wholly to make void our Work and Service in the Lords Vineyard ? this , and other evil Effects , together with the great breach it made among all the Meetings in these three Provin●●s , that were not broken till then , how could it but grieve and burden 〈◊〉 ▪ But notwithstanding our Griefs , we can say , and I do say for my particular , as my Afflictions and Griefs have been great , because of your fa●●e ●udgment , and the evil Effects of it , so my Comforts have been great , in that God hath been pleased to honour me , to suffer so much for his Name sake , and the Name of his dear Son Christ Jesus ; and his blessed Spirit in my Heart has oft made these words comfortable to me , Math. 5. 11. Blessed are ye when Men shall revile you , &c. But lastly , how inconsiderate is this Man in his way of arguing against us . Hath not he been uneasie under what hath been said and printed by us against him , his Book bespeaks it sufficiently ; and if so by his own Argument , all that we have said or printed against him , is a true Judgment . But note Readér , that S. J. ( Papist like in this , as in other things ) brings not his Satisfaction of the Truth of the Judgment the 28th , gave out against us from the Light or Spirit within , but from Men without ; making multitude or plurality the greatest mark of Truth , and of the true Church , as the Papists do ; and by his Argument , Paul was a bad Man , because not only some particular Churches , but all Asia had forsaken him . LIX . He is miserably put to it , by twisting , and perverting , and feigning great untruths to excuse their endeavouring to bear us down in religious Matters , by their Power as Magistrates , whereof I give an Instance in Plea , &c. p. 16 , 17. They imposing upon the true Liberty and Right of the Meeting , by encouraging to read it , against the Mind of most of the Friends present , it being an established Act of the monthly Meeting , as well as of divers other monthly Meetings , that nothing ought to be read in their Meeting , without the general consent of the Meeting . And one of them did threaten to bind an honest Friend to the Peace , without the least occasion given him , S. J. calling out for a Constable . 1. He granteth that the said Persons being Magistrates , were at that Meeting , though none belonged to it , as Members thereof , but S. R. 2. He argueth , why should they be said to countenance the reading of it more than G. K. and those with him to discountenance it . I answer , let it be granted that we did discountenance it , as much as they countenanced it , but we came not with Magistrates Power , calling for a Constable to keep the Peace ; and we had more cause to discountenance it , than they to countenance it , because it was not read by the general consent of the Meeting , as well as for other Reasons . 3. He ouerieth , where was the bl●●e of puting the Paper into the Hand of W. P. he was the Clerk of the Meeting . Answ . The blame was to put it into his Hand , and biding 〈◊〉 read it without the general consent of the Meeting . 4. He saith , that the greatest part or the Meeting was against the reading of it , he cannot believe to be true , ●●ccording to his Observation . But this doth not ●●prove it , for others observation was as good and better as his , that observed many more forbidding it than desiring it to be read . But suppose they were the lesser part , it is argument enough that it was an imposition upon their Liberty and Right , to read it , against their Consent , as is well known , through all Meetings it is the order , that what is done be with general Consent . 5. His reflection on Joseph Fisher , charging him with heading a Party , with more Rage , than true Zeal or Knowledge , seeing it is only an abusive reviling a Man of known Moderation , and a chief Member of that Meeting , and who kept Meetings at his House , and Hospitably entertained traveling Friends ; I let pass without thinking it worthy of further noticing . 6. Take notice Readers , his haughty and supercilious manner of reviling me , his words are . But met●inks , saith he , G. K. should blush to stile any Man unruly and d●sorderly , though it were true , since its hard to find any thing of Mankind , ( especially pretending to Learning , and a civil Education ) that in that respect can equal himself . But I appeal to all impartial Readers , whether S. J. hath not far exceeded me in hard words and Censures , which he construeth to be unruly and disorderly ; beside his wicked Practises of Persecution , &c. And therefore by his Argument , He is not any thing of Mankind . But it s well he is not a Justice of Peace , or President in any Court here in England , or else I might know what I might expect from him , who laboureth to render me thus invidiously . Is this his Christianity or Civility , to make me worse than any thing of Mankind , as before he hath justified his Expression , in calling me worse th●n profane . Can any thing of Bill●ngs-gate Rhetorick exceed this of his ? He grants he did enquire , if there were a Constable there . Is not this proof sufficient , they sought to bear us down by their Magistratical Power . What instance can be given , that ever any Friend in a monthly Meeting called for a Constable ? Doth not 〈◊〉 the Crown of Pride , and Antichrist's Horns of Persecution , plainly 〈◊〉 ●ut he pretends it was to keep the Peace ; for the Woman of the House 〈◊〉 him , under much concern , and told him , she feared there would be 〈◊〉 chi●● . And must a ●i●ly womans idle imagination be an excuse to him to do such an extraordinary thing , as the like , I think , has not been known in a Friends meeting . 9. He saith , Tho they did not strike , yet in their r●ge , there were 〈…〉 catch at the Paper , to have torn it 〈…〉 had so 〈…〉 , that they had no assurance , but they could fight , as 〈…〉 . But that any did snatch at the Paper in a Rage , is 〈…〉 I , can witness the contrary ; only one or two did civilly and 〈…〉 their Hand on the mans Arm , desiring him not to 〈…〉 will not men get to justifie 〈…〉 , he saith , but they would fight ; 〈…〉 and by the same Argument ●e 〈…〉 Meeting h●● in Engl●nd , to keep the Peace when 〈…〉 Truth : H●w would this 〈…〉 ? Lastly , 〈◊〉 his 〈◊〉 again and 〈…〉 , I have already answered 〈◊〉 . But the 〈…〉 Magistrate in that part of the Countrey , more than S. J. 〈…〉 he was such any where . But what difference is betwixt Impudent Rascal , ( the word Rascal signifying no more than what the English Bible translateth Vile Person ) and the Term he giveth me , viz. ●orse than profane , and to which any thing of Mankind is hard to be equall'd , let the Impartial judge ; more especially considering I so termed him for his Blasphemy against Christ , whereof I have sufficient Witness in that part of the World : but no such thing can be charged against me . For his denying that he called G. J. Nonsensical Puppy , doth not sufficiently clear him , seeing it was affirmed by two Witnesses , both of good Credit , and one of them , viz. Tho. Tresse , a member of that monthly meeting at that time , and not then disowned by them . But his Redection on G. J. ( saying of him , what G. is for a Church-Member , he supposeth is well known here as well as elsewhere ) , he had better have spared , G. J. not being here to answer for himself . But if he thought not G. J. qualified to be one of their Church-members , he reflects greatly on their meeting , who admitted him to be a member of it . But G. J. hath as many , or rather more , in that Country , that will speak well of him , as S. J. hath . LX. His perversion in excusing , or clearing himself , of charging me , that I said , there were more damnable heresies , &c. among the Quakers , I have sufficiently discovered above ; see Num. 39. LXI . p. 43. His perversion in excusing , or diminishing his Fault , in saying , if he draw forth his hand , he will not pull it in again , until he hath quelled us all , is easily perceived . He confesseth , something to this effect he did say , which he acknowledgeth to be unadvisedly spoken ; but why not proudly and ambitiously , and that in an extraordinary manner , I appeal to all impartial Readers , and sensible men , who can savour words , whether they rankly smell not of Height of Pride , and savour not of great Presumption ? as if it were in his power , as he did think , to do so much against us , in a time to come , as would quell us all , not beleiving , or not considering , that no mortal man did know what Power he had , in any time to come , and by the Divine Providence , his Power that he gloried so vainly in , was taken from him not long after . But his meaning he gives his insolent words , still smell rankly both of Pride and Persecution , as I appeal to all sensible and impartial Readers , if they do not , being this , 〈◊〉 if I 〈◊〉 engage , and make use of the Power I have , in the S●a●ion I stand , I will not desist , till I have 〈◊〉 you to a better behaviour . Note , he saith , I will not desist : but knoweth he that he will not desist till he has reduced us to that he thinks better behaviour , but that he thought his Power was in his own hand ? But Soveraign Providence taught him , he was either a false Prophet , or spake from a false Spirit ; for he was made to desist from his Violence against us , by being turned out of his station , of Magistracy , wherein he gloried . And it is a plain case , he continueth of that persecuting Spirit , that if any reprove his Pride , or other his insolent infirmities , he will punish them for their so doing , under the Notion of reviling Magistracy , if he happen to be re-installed . But such as shall happen to re-install him , will do 〈◊〉 to advise him to more moderation , or put some Curb upon him . But at this rate , many Friends , and particularly G. F. is guilty of reviling Magistracy , who more sharply and severely reproved Pride and Injustice in some Justices of Peace here in England , than ever we did his Pride in Pensilvania . And if G , F. had been living in the body , and been then in Pensyvania , and had but done the like to S. J. 〈◊〉 must have expected he would have used him as he had done us , to reduce him to better behaviour : See G. F. his Letter to Justice Sawrey , charging him with Persecution , Pride , Hypocrisie , p. 94. of his Journal ; and his 〈◊〉 Letter to the Magistrates of Derby , charging them with Oppression , Injustice and Covetousness , p. 51. But that he saith , our Friends , John Macomb and Ralph Ward , did rail and snarl intolerably at them , as they were going 〈◊〉 the Court to Dinner ; seeing he tells not what that intolerable railing was , nor gives any proof of it , may be rejected , with many other his falshoods , invented by him to cover his evil practices . His instance is not the least shadow of proof , that they said , they thanked God they could not take their Lives away ; but they coveted their Goods . Have not our Friends here in England , said as much to Justices here , who have fined them , and streined their Goods , as they did to some of us in Pensylvania , and in particular to W. Bradford , who being fined six shillings for refusing to be a Jury-man , it being a matter of conscience to him , to promise in the Presence of God , he judging it of the Nature of an Oath , had Writing-Paper , worth 9 s. taken from him , which was carried to Sam. Jennings his Shop to be sold , which VV. B. told me . Pray let the Reader judge , if this was not Covetousness and Oppression both ? LXII . p. 45. His perversion , in using that fallacious distinction , given by all Persecutors , even the worst sort , Papists as well as others , viz. That they did not persecute us , but prosecuted us by Law , for our abuses to the Government . [ His great defence is then , that we have egregiously transgress'd the Law , and did endeavour to raise Sedition , and subvert the Government . And for proof of this , he prints at large that scandalous Proclamation given forth by him and others against me ( which I have fully answered in Print , and so need not answer it again here ) at Philadelphia , 25th 6th mo . 1692. and the Presentments of the Grand Jury against us . But if to indict and accuse , be sufficient proof , without any other evidence , who but shall be guilty , tho the most innocent ? However , here we have him acknowledging matter of fact , which will be of some service to many that would not believe , that ever there was any such thing done to us in Pensyvania , as fining and imprisonment , for things that we have always declared to be to us matters of conscience . LXIII . But to cloak his Persecution , he giveth us a wrong Description of it ; and I believe the general●ty of the people called Quakers , will say so : Persecution , saith he , is a suffering inflicted upon the sufferers for the discharge of their duty to God. This , I say , according to the People called Quakers , and all others , that are f●r due liberty of conscience , is a wrong description of persecution , as being far too Narrow , as not including such suffering as is inflicted upon men , that may be in error , and hold erronious Doctrines and Principles , it having been all 〈◊〉 our Plea , ( witness what VV. Penn , and divers ot●ers , h●ve printed at great length , concerning the due bounds of 〈◊〉 of conscience , that seeing we live peaceably under the Government , without doing Injury to any Man , we ought not to suffer , even though we be in an Error , whether our Error relate to matters of Faith , or Practise . But according to this Popish definition of Persecution given by S. J. Men ought to suffer for their Errors , and be whipt out of them ; for to be in Error , or to practise an erronious Worship , is no discharge of Mens Duty to God ; and therefore if they be punished for their Errors in Principles , or Practises , they are not persecuted , but prosecuted according to Law. And by this his Popish definition of Persecution , it will be a great question with many , whether any Man called a Quaker , ever suffered any Persecution , either in old England or new , until that be out of question , that the People called Quakers , held no Errors ? But according to the true description of Persecution , as given by W. Penn , and many others , the People called Quakers were persecuted by Suffering , Fining , and Imprisonment , for not conforming to the Worship established by Law , supposing they were in an Error ; for they who are rightly principled against Persecution , and for due liberty of Conscience , say , Men are not to be whipt out of their Errors , but perswaded , and better informed ; and if they reject due Information , they are to be left to God , the only Lord and Sovereign over Conscience . The true definition therefore of Persecution is a suffering inflicted upon the Sufferers , not only for the discharge of their Duty to God , but for all that a Man thinks to be his Duty to God. Suppose he is in an Error , if his Error be no Injury to his Neighbor , or a breach of that commonly called the second Table of the Decalogue . And by this true definition of Persecution , it is out of question , that the People called Quakers , as well as others , of other Nonconformists , did suffer great Persecution , even suppose they did hold Errors , and suffered for them , and acted contrary to some Laws which are now abolished and repealed . LXIV . In his labouring to clear himself and his Party of Persecution , and to make the World believe it was not Persecution , but a Prosecution , in his definition of Prosecution , which he would make applicable to us , he falsly accuseth us , but giveth no effectual Proof ; Prosecution , saith he , is a justice done on Transgressors of the Law , for their Injuries done to Men , or their Blasphemies to God ; and then he concludes , that we were prosecuted by Law , for our Abuses to the Government . [ But all that , that ever was duly proved in particular against us , was , That Tho. Budd and I , in a printed Paper , in our just defence , reprove Sam. Jennings's Pride , saying of him , he was too high and imperious in Friends Meetings , and worldly Courts , calling him an ignorant , presumptuous , and insolent Man , which last words did not relate to his Magistracy , as I have formerly declared , but to his religious Profession as a Quaker . And that we queried , in our printed Appeal , Whether hiring Men to fight , and giving them a Commission to fight , be not a manifest Transgression of the Quakers Principle . Now if to reprove Pride , and other Sins , as Injustice , Oppression , &c. in Magistrates , be an abuse done to the Government . and worthy of Punishment , then many Friends of best Note among us , are equally guilty , or rather indeed more guilty , by S. J. his Argument , as G. F. who hath more severely charged Justice Sawry , and the Magistrates of Derby , with such things , than ever we did any of the Magistrates in Pensilvania . See also a printed Book called , The second part of the Peoples ancient and just Liberties , asserted in the Proceedings against , and Tryals of Francis Moor , Richard M●w , John Boulton , Job Boltoun , and divers others , at the Sessions begun and held at the Old Bailey in Lond , 6th mo . 1670. where the Publishers of that Book , charge the Magistrates more severely , than ever we did , they saying , that in the said Book , their Oppression and Injustice are manifested , their Wickedness and Corruption detected . See also the Tryal of W. P. and W. M. and the Tryal of G. W. at Norwich ; and generally it hath been the way of Friends , in their printed Books of Tryals at Sessions , to charge the Justices with Injustice , and Arbitrary Proceedings , &c. And seeing this was no abuse to Magistracy , but their Christian Complaint , and bearing witness conscienciously against Mens Sins , as holy Men of old did , as is largely recorded in holy Scriptures , no more can it be esteemed in us , any abuse to Government , to have reproved S. J. for his Pride . And as concerning our querying , or witnessing against some called Quakers in Philadelphia , in our printed appeal , for hiring Men to fight ; this can be no Sedition , nor having any tendency to Sedition , or to the subversion of the Government , seeing it is well known , for manyyears past , that the People called Quakers , have declared it to be their Principle , That it is not lawful for them to fight , and yet the Government hath been so tender here in England , that they have not charged them with being guilty of Sedition , or subversion of the Government , for asserting any such Principle ; and the like tenderness and moderation have the States of Holland shewed to the M●n●ste there , who are a great People , and have publickly asserted it to be their Principle , ( as well as the People called Quakers here ) neither to fight , nor to swear ; yea , and learned Grotius , who hath writ a learned Treatise , de jure belli , & pacis , reckoneth it at least among the Evangelical Counsels , ( which any Man may lawfully obey ) not to fight , or make War. Is it not therefore a very strange thing , that a Justice of Peace in Pensilvania , and others of his Party , shall make that to be Sedition , or a subversion of the Government there , viz , our publickly asserting it to be our Principle not to fight , and yet the Government here to charge nothing upon us but to be tendet to us in that respect , as well as in other things of Non-conformity . Doth not this shew an extraordinary height of Ambition in them , as well as degeneration from their former Principle ? and will it not too much confirm the Jealousie that some have had , that if the Government shall happen to come into the hands of some of that People called 〈◊〉 , they will persecute others for Conscience sake , although they have cried out against their being persecuted for Conscience sake , unless some publick Testimony be given forth against these severe , and unfair Proceedings of these Men against us in Pensilvania , and that by some solemn declaration in print , given forth in behalf of that People . LXV . His Perve●●ion in bringing his and their most illegal and scandalous Proclamation against me , which they caused to be read at the Market Place by the common Cryer ; and after that , posted it up both in Town and Country , as a proof of my being guilty , of endeavouring to raise Sedition , and to subvert the Government . Certainly , if this Man were not past all fear or shame , he would not have dared to print such an illegal and scandalous Paper , that makes so much against him , and expose it in the face of the World , the which I having so fully answered in Print , to the several Falshoods , Fallacies , and Perversions in it , I shall not now repeat ; only I think fit to notice one particular , that doth sufficiently show their illegal , unjust , and Arbitrary Proceedings , that whereas they say , It hath been proved before them , that G. K. being a Resident there , did , contrary to his Duty , publickly revile the said Deputy-Governor . [ Note Reader , they say , It hath been proved before them , &c. But they fallacionsly omit to tell , that I was not called before them , to have that , or any other thing proved against me , but that they did , was altogether in my absence , in and without the least Summons , Call , or Citation to come before them , at that they call their private Sessions , ( which may rather be called a private Conspiracy to subvert Law and Justice ) though I was known to be at home in the same Town . And whereas they have called two other Justices of Peace , viz. Lacy Cock , a Lutheran , and John Homes , a Baptist , to connive with them in this work of Darkness , viz. to proclaim me at the Market Place , a Person so highly Criminal , without all Conviction , or calling me before them , to hear any thing proved against me , these two Justices aforesaid , acting like men of Conscience , as well as Understanding what was legal , refused to joyn with them , in signing such a Proclamation , because it was done without any Conviction , or legal procedure . But they desired I might be called for , and legally convicted ; and if I were found guilty , they should joyn with them , to punish me accordingly . But this not being granted , without them , they gave forth that scandalous Proclamation against me ; and I appeal not only to all Persons called Quakers , but to all others , who may hear or read concerning this Matter , and especially to all , that are in the least acquainted either with the English Laws , or with the Law of Nations , whether their thus proceeding against me , be so severe a Penalty , as to proclaim me , at the Market Place , &c. a Person so highly Cr●●in● , without all Conviction ; and whether to take the Evidence of 〈◊〉 against me , in my absence , without any call to be present , is not wholly 〈◊〉 , and contrary to the fundamental Laws of England . LXVI . page 46. His Perversion in making the presentment of the Grand 〈◊〉 at Philadelphia , an Evidence or Proof against Th. Budd , and me , of 〈◊〉 being guilty of reviling the Magistrate , and endeavouring to raise Sedition , an● subvert the Government , and to do this to his own shame , and as an instance of hi● sol●y , he prints the Presentments of the said Grand Jury against T. Budd and me , and against W. Bradford , see his page 52. Now let us see , how unlike a Magistrate , or a man of common Sense , he doth argue . The Grand Jury hath presented us to be guilty of reviling S. J. being a Magistrate , therefore we are guilty . But if this be a true conclusion , without any further proof , then it follows by the same Argument , that what ever any Grand Jury presents a man to be guilty of , that man is guilty of the same ; and if so , there is no room left for any further Tryal of a Petty ●ury ; which is another perversion of the fundamental Laws of England . But why S. J. is wholly silent of the Verdict that the Petty Jury gave in the case of Th. Budd ( I having pleaded in the Court , that I was not present●ble , being my only Plea , the thing being No Nusance to the County , nor Offence against the Government , they fined me , without any more a-do ) is ●afie to conjecture , their Verdict not being any Verdict against Th. Budd , in the Terms or Words of the Presentment , but a special Verdict in these following words , viz. That Thomas Budd was guilty of saying Sam. Jennings had behaved himself too highly and imperiously in worldly Courts . But this was no proof that T. B. was guilty of reviling Magistracy , more than the special Verdict of the Jury at the Old Baily , that W. P. was guilty of speaking in Grace-Chuack-Street , was any Verdict against him , of being guilty of a Riot , Rout , or unlawful Assembly . LXVII . p. 54. His perversion , in blaming me , and some others Joyned with me , in our exposing their defects ( if they were so ) to the world before ever we had spoken to the Parties thus abused by us , as he phraseth it . But for answer , what he calleth , our exposing their defects , was but in the just defence of our Innocency and Christianity , which he , and 27. unjust Judges , had endeavoured to rob us of , by exposing to the world , tho not in print , yet publickly enough otherwise ) their false Judgment against us , and causing it to be read in all the Meetings , not only in the Province of Pensilvania , but in the Meetings of the Neighbouring Provinces . And it is false , that we had not spoke to them ; for we had made our complaint , and shown our dislike , at a monthly meeting at Philadelphia , where they read their False Judgment against us , and at several other Meetings , before we printed a line against them ; but received no Redress , but abusive language : And herein we have done but what many other good and worthy men have done , in the like case , when oppressed , and they could have no Remedy , Printing being the last Remedy . And this Remedy hath been used by many Friends of good Account among us , who having been oppressed , and unjustly dealt with by Justices of Peace , have exposed their Injustice in print to the world , some of their books having this Title , The Cry of the Oppressed . Nor can this be called , the exposing of our brethrens weakness ; for they had denied us to be their brethren , before either the book called , The Plea of the Innocent , or the Appeal , or the book called , The Tryal , was printed ; and they had begun the Separation , and refused and rejected all Gospel-Order , before we ever printed a line against them ; therefore Sam. Jennings his words in p. 54. I may justly retort upon himself , which touch not us : What conscience is in this ( for him to fill his book with so many falshoods , forgeries and perversions ) I leave to any , but a feared conscience , to determine . LXVIII . His perversion , in taking great pains to prove , that some part of my worhs did respect his Magistracy ; and that therefore I am guilty of reviling his Magistracy . Now the part of my words which he laboureth to prove did respect his Magistracy , was , That he had behaved himself too high and imperious , both in friends Meetings , and worldly Courts . And will this prove , that I reviled Magistracy , any more than that he who writ W. Pea's and VV. Me●e's Tryal , which some say , was W. P. himself , was guilty of reviling Magistracy ; or that Friends , who have been oppressed and injured by proud and oppre ●sive Magistrates , in former times , that have charged them in print both with Pride and Persecution ? or will it follow , that the true Prophets were guilty of reviling Magistracy , because they did witness publickly against Pride and Oppression in Judges and Rulers in former days ? Surely these men in Pensylvania were come to an extraordinary height of Ambition , to think , that their place of Magistracy had raised them up so high , as to be above all Reproof , or witnessing against their Pride , Injustice and other sins , when many , far greater in Authority here in England , have born all that , and much more than we have said against them in Pensylvania , without the least noticing it by such severity ; a great shame to such men , who pretending to be Teachers of others in the great Christian Duties of Patience and long-suffering , should fall so short in the practice of it , beneath many who make not so high Profession . And it is but a poor excuse and evasion for him , or any other , that may be supposed to have assisted him in this Work , to say , as he or they do , p. 45. In the Infancy of the settlement of Pensilvania , the Legislators saw cause to make provision , by a Law , to secure the Reputation of the Magistrates from the contempt of others ; foreseeing , no doubt , ( and perhaps perceiving something of it then ) that people , by reason of their equality in other things , might be under greater tentations , to run into this evil there , than where the condition of the Magistrates had raised them above , and set them at a greater distance from the common people : It was therefore enacted ( saith he ) , That whosoever should speak contemptuously , or slightingly of a Magistrate , should be punished by a fine , according to the Nature of the Offence . [ But was this consideration enough to raise the Magistrates in Pensylvania , so far above their Brethren , who are otherwise not only equal to them , but some , perhaps , far above them , that tho a man do ever so conscientiously reprove their Pride , Injustice and Oppression , in case such a thing happen , as is not impossible , he must not do it ; otherwise he must be punished , as a reviler of Magistracy ? Were it not much more advisable , that the Magistrates in Pensylvania , did labour to excel and exceed all others in that Province , in all Christian and civil Vertues , who are otherwise equal to them , than Sh●bna - like , to grave them out an habitation , in so high a Rock , that no Man dare reprove them , tho ever so conscientiously , or having ever such just cause so to do ; such Height was the fore-runner of S. J. and his Brethrens ●●lly , in being soon after driven out of their station , as God threatned Shebna , Isa . 22. 16 , 19. And if they happen to be promoted again , they will do well to behave themselves more moderately and Christianly . To revile Magistracy , I acknowledge , is a great sin , but 〈◊〉 the reproving of Pride and Injustice in a Magistrate , when he is not in the publick discharge of his Magistracy , ( as sitting in the seat of Justice ) especially , is no reviling of Magistracy , so far as I can learn , either out of the Law of God , revealed in Scripture , or any Laws of England , or other Nation , professing Christianity , whatsoever . But why were they so partial , and shewed so great Zeal for their own Honour , and so little for the Honour of God and Christ , that they made a Law to fine a man that spake slightingly of a Magistrate , to any sum they please , provided it b● not less than 20 s. ( and for our supposed Offence , fined us each five pounds ) ; but for Blesphemy against God and Christ , as blasphemous Oaths , and Cur●ings , their Law was not above five shillings : And it is but a poor excuse for this inequality , given by some , that blasphemous cursing and swearing might be so common , that had the L●w exacted a great fine for every guilty person , they would not have been able to pay it . But then might not the Legislators have made a Law to put them to some corporal punishment , or to work in the House of Correction , for such a time , as their Law is in other cases ? But that Sam. Jennings was gui●ty of Pride , and too great height of Spirit , in his Proceedings against us , 〈◊〉 Paper called , An Account of the Proceedings , &c. is an evidence ; therefore to call him so , was no reviling . LXIX . His perversion , in slighting , and seeking to make void the Certificate given me from the Deputy Governour and Council of Philadelphia , clearing me of all these charges , amply declaring my Innocency , and peacea●●e be●aviour towards the Government , and them in Authority at that time : VVho is it ( saith he ) that doth not know the propensity that commonly appears ( on any turn or change ) in those that s●ccced in place aud power , to censure and exp●se such as were before under the same charge , &c. Hence he concludes ●●eir Certificate will not do me much service , nor weigh much with thinki●g people . [ Now I appeal to impartial Readers , if this be not a speaking 〈◊〉 of the present Magistrates there , ( for which S. J. by his own Argument . ought to be punished ) and possibly now in Pensilvania , as well as a severe Reflection on them , of their Injustice , Partiality , yea and disloyalty , to give me a Certificate , clearing me of any such Crime laid to my charge , as endeavouring to raise Sedition , aud subvert the Government in Pensilvania ; for what is this , but to say , that the Magistrates then in Trust with the Government , hath cleared a guilty person from an heinous Crime , affecting the Government ? for it is an Act of as great Injustice , and Male Administration of Government , to acquit and clear the guilty , as to condemn the innocent . But he is fallacious in this also , that he insinuates , these that gave m● that Certificate , aid succeed him and his party in the Government ; whereas ●●me of them , and particularly Robert Turner , who signed to my Certificate , was then in the Government , as well as S. J. and did publickly witness against their unjust proceedings , as well formerly as since . LXX . His pervertion and f●llacy , to make void his Crime of persecution , 〈◊〉 our 〈…〉 what did he , or Thomas Budd suffer ? were 〈…〉 them whipped , or imprisoned ? No such matter . They were 〈…〉 Court ; were adjudged guilty , and had a 〈…〉 let upon them , which was never levied ; for which , if they 〈…〉 , they onght to acknowledge the clemency of the Government , and particularly such as might have exacted it . [ But it was a great suffering , thus to expose us in the face of the Court , and of both Town and Countrey , as so heinously guilty , to defame us , being innocent persons ; and tho we were not imprisoned , yet our Two Friends , viz. W. Bradford and John Macomb , were most unjustly imprisoned , and some of W. B. his Utensils , detained from him ; and W. B. was presented npon a Statute in Old England , That no book shall be printed without the Printer's Name to it ; And tho his Defence was , That most of Friends books were printed without the Printer's Name to them ; yet their partiality was such , they did not regard it : And that our fine was not levied , we owe no thanks to them , who passed that false Judgment against us ( their tender mercies , as the Scripture saith of some being cruel ) , but to Divine Providence , that restrained them for a little season ; and the fear that possibly they were under , lest both the generality of the people of Town and Country should cry out , shame , shame upon them , still more loudly , who had already concluded them to have dealt unchristianly towards us ; and after some little season , their Power was taken from them . But their most cruel detaining our Friend Peter Bosse , in prison , for his fine , until they were put out of their power , doth sufficiently shew it was no Clemency in them to Th. Budd and me , that restrained them from levying our fines . LXXI . His Perversion in telling a Story , pag. 35. That some in west Jersey heard me say , that they should hear , before it was long , that I were either whipt , or imprisoned , and rather than I would appear a false Prophet , I did what I could to procure it . [ But that I did Prophesie any such thing , is a gross Forgery ; or that I did in the least do any thing to procure it ; but it is probable I might say to some , by way of probability , they would hear ere long , I were either whipt or imprisoned ; which I spoke not in the least by way of Prophesie , but of strong probability , considering the Cruelty that appeared in them , against some of my Friends , whom they imprisoned , their Rage being greater against me , than them , but Providence hindred them to execute all that was in their Hearts . And what less could be expected from S. J. who for a small default of a poor Boy that did throw a little Dirt or Earth at a Constable , caused him to be whipt most cruelly at Burlington in west Jersey , with thirty five lashes on the naked Body , with a Horse-whip , and caused to put the Boys Master in the Stocks , for calling him , the said S. J. Prick-louse-Taylor ; this an honest P●●son of good Credit here in Town , who saw it , and was one that begged S. J. to shew mercy to the poor Boy , is ready to witness , a sufficient Evidence of his too severe Government in west Jersey . And many having begged S. J. who was then Governor , for the poor Boy , as well as he himself ●●gged most lamentably for mercy , he being a Friends Son , yet he would not be entreated . And also considering the new Presentments given in against me , being about seven in number , which were read at the yearly Meeting l●st at London , with my Answers to them , divers of which were such , as the 〈◊〉 charged in the said Presentments , had I been guilty , deserved not only Imprisonment , but other corporal Punishment ; and which probably enough might have reached to sentence of Death against me , had not their most cruel Designs been disappointed by the merciful Divine Providence , considering the cruel minds that they generally had against me ; and that their Juries , both grand and petty , were such , as we know to be prejudiced ; and many of which had signed to false Judgments against me , in their Mens Meetings . But whereas he alledgeth , p. 55. That I called Tho. Lloid pittiful Governor , I remember no such thing ; and he giving no proof of it , but his bare say so , the impartial Reader will not believe it . But that I said , my Back itched for their Whip , I own I said so , in a publick Meeting , on a first day , after they had interrupted me , in my Christian Testimony , and did most extraordinarily threaten me , with their magistratical Power , I appeal to all who know , what godly Zeal hath moved men to , whether I might not say these words , in a Christian Spirit , implying no more , but a desire to suffer for Righteousness sake ; to which Christ hath pronounced a blessing , as well as what Lawrence the Martyr said to the Tyrant that persecuted him , when he caused to roast him on a Grid-Iron , for which saying he was greatly commended . He bid him turn up the other side , the former being roasted enough , to see which was the best Meat : ( Persecutors in Scripture being compared to Man-eaters ) and what G. F. said , as above noted , to a man that struck him cruelly , strike again ; and what Edw. Burrough said and writ in Lines , to his Persecutors , Our backs are ready for your blows ; and many other such bold Expressions that godly Zeal , and holy boldness hath moved many better than I , to give to threatning Persecutors : Yea , did not our Savior say to Judas , what thou dost , do quickly . But it seems S. J. was never acquainted with any flame of holy Zeal , to suffer for Righteousness sake , his Zeal being to persecute , but not to be persecuted for Righteousness sake . However , I have never justified all the words I have said to there my Adversaries , but readily have granted , that it 's possible I have at times exceeded , on great Provocation . But S. J. and his Parties Hypocrisie is great , who not only have far exceeded me in hard words , but made it their work ( as is well known ) to provoke me excessively . But my gracious God , for which , and for all his many Mercies , and Deliverances , I desire to praise him , hath preserved me , as to the main ; and my great comfort is , that whatever human weaknesses have attended me as to some Circumstances , which have been greater on their part , my cause and ground of de●●te against them ●in bearing Testimony against their vile 〈◊〉 held by some of them , and cloaked by others o● them , and 〈◊〉 wicked Pract●ses of Persecution and Injustice ) is good , and with a since●e and upright Heart , as to the main , I have managed it , and I have P●●ce from my gr●cious God in so doing , as well as a sense of his pardoning Mercy wherein I have failed in some particular Circumstances ; and this is more than ever any of my Adversaries that I know have acknowledged ; who , proud Pharisee like , do justifie themselves , But whereas S. J. hath 〈◊〉 to charge me more than once , with acting against my Conscience , I declare sincerely and solemnly , it is a groundless Calumnly . As for his Answer to Peter B osse his Letter , I could show several gross prevarications in it ; but having encreased my Answer to a far greater bulk already than I intended , I think to say little at present to it , reserving a more full Answer to another opportunity , if need be , or to Peter B osse himself , to whom it is most proper to give the Answer ; but he being absent in America , his answer at present cannot be expected ; only I desire the Reader to notice these following Particulars . 1. S. J. takes no other way to clear himself of P. B. his charging me with an unsavory Life , ( express'd by his unsavory carriage and words to his Neighbors , equal or superior to himself , at least some of them ; as when he said to John S●●n , who had been Governor of west Jersey , and was then in the Magistracy , Thou pittiful whip Jack , I dispise thee ; ) but by charging him in general , without mentioning any particular matter of Fact. 2. Let it be considered ; whether it was fair or orderly in S. J. so to pursue P. B. he being a Church Member with him , and not at that time denyed or disowned by them , to sue him in open Court , for a private Letter sent to him , to the publick scandal of his and their Profession ; and gratifying Adversaries , who would , and did say , See how Quakers go to Law with Quakers , contrary to their Profession and Principle . Nor doth his evasion excuse him , that he , viz. P. B. was one of my Party , and denyed together with me . But this is barely alledged , and not proved ; he belonged to Burlington Meeting in west Jersey , and had not that I know , been at any of our Meetings falsly called separate Meetings , before that time , but was generally owned by Friends of that Meeting he belonged to . And his other evasion is as weak , That the Paper or Letter came to him open . Doth that prove , that he sent it open ? Or if he had sent it unsealed , was that such a Crime , to query into such things as Men have re-printed of one another , and that in a Neighbourly way . 3. For his being drunk , and running a Horse-Race , it was not positively charged on him , but queried ; and was , by the manner of Evidences , brought against him by some honest Persons , being compared with the negative Evidence of one single Man , ( whom I own to be an honest man ) I leave it to be weighed , by the Readers , which has most probability . 4. As for his clearing himself of Surveying a Tract of Land , that John Antrum had actually began to do ; and of his taking away the Meadow of Rich. Mathews , he but poorly and lamely comes off . It s well known in west Jersey , that John Antrum complan'd greatly on S. J. for his so doing ; 〈…〉 defence about Rich. Mathew 〈◊〉 M●●dow , is more sophistical than 〈◊〉 ; saying , either it was surveyed 〈◊〉 R. 〈◊〉 or it was not ; if it were , then he has it . [ But how has he it , 〈…〉 S. J. hath sold , or may hereafter tell it to some other Person ? It●s well known of what ill fame it is , and 〈◊〉 great Injustice , to survey another Mans Land , and so to appropriate it to him . And for his exception against the Record of the Survey by 〈◊〉 it is idle and ●illy . It is ordinary in Surveyes in that Country , where no such exactness ●● commonly used , ( as here in England , ) and when large allowance is given for barren Land , and high ways , to mention a s●all gushet of Up-land , or Meadow , without telling the cou●●e or di●●ance , wh●n it lyeth adjoyning to a greater Tract , more particularly surveyed . And were all such Surveys made void of small gushets , and pieces of Meadow , or Up land that have not the course or distance particularly mentioned , belonging to that part , it would make a great Confusion in many Surveys in that Country , and perhaps might give occasion to have some of his Land of Meadow to be questioned . But it 's not a new thing for S. J. to pretend himself skilful in what he is grosly ignorant of . 5. For his Abuses done to John Shen , aud especially his base and scurrilous reviling him , as above mentioned , being then a Magistrate , is so well known , that I think S. J. hath scare the Confidence to deny the unsavory Expression he gave him , and which was mentioned in the book of the Tryal . 6. For his blaming me , that I enqui●ed at John Shorum , about S. J. his being drunk , I appeal to the Readers , what blame could this be in me , so to enquire , I having heard it commonly reported . An● if John Shorum denyed it to me , having affirmed it to others , it was little to me , whether he did affirm it or not , I made no matter of it , and saw no need to give Evidence in the Case , for it would have signified nothing to clear him ; and I heeded little what J. S. said in the Case , for what I spoke to him , was meerly occasional , as I hapned to meet him on the way . 7. What S. J. doth alledge , that Robert Cole told me , he knew no such thing by S. J. as that he was drunk at his House , and spewed in the Bed , I declare is a falshood ; it 's true , he said ( viz. R. Cole ) that he was drunk ; but that he said he knew no such thing by S. J. I remember not in the least ; but on the contrary , both I and my Wife do well remember , that he said , the thing he had said to Peter Bosse was true , but he blamed his being drunk , that made him speak so freely ; ( as commonly Men will be more free to reveal a matter when drunk ; ) but said Cole , I dare not appear a Witness against S. J. he being a Magistrate , for he will ruine me ; and this I sincerely declare , to the best of my Knowledge and Rememberance . And lastly , as to his severe usage towards his Servants , and especially towards his Maid , whom he most cruelly whipt in Bed , with a Horse-whip , is most true , and is sufficiently proved against him in the Book of the Tryal , as to the first part , witness the printed Testimonies of John Smith , and James Silver against him . And as to that of his most unmerciful , and obscene way of beating his Maid Servant , an honest Friend here in Town , declareth he had it from the Maids Mother , and the Maid her self hath declared it to divers . POSTSCRIPT . AND thus I have fully answered to all that seemed any way material in his Charges in his book against me , and my Friends , passing by several other things not worth noticing , of his false charges , and possibly some may think I have mentioned too many , and taken too much time and paper to Answer them , being in more general and subdivided Heads , under the more general Heads , above an hundred in all ; but having thus for once bestowed so much time , paper , labour and cost to clear me of these false charges T. E. and S. J. have laboured to bespatter and defame me with , it is possible , and probable also , ( tho I come under no tye in the case that I may let them Answer ) again , and bark on , till they be weary , without much noticing them for time to come ; for indeed any further debate in print touching these matters , seems to me , and I judg , will to many , but little profitable to the Readers ; The things for most part charged and recharged , being of words and transactions alledged to have been said or done in Pensilvania , or other parts of America , and the Evidences on both sides being confessedly Parties , which are no proper witnesses in these things , as I declared at the Yearly Meeting last at London , 1694. Nor did I any further make us● of Evidences of that sort , but to make a Ballance against the Evidences of their side and party , my Evidences being fully as Credible persons as theirs , yea and more Credible , because I have disproved some of their Evidences , by their contra●ictions one to another , and other clear circumstances ! But that which , as to the main , casts the ballance , as I declared at the Yearly Meeting last at London , was the Manuscripts of my opposite party , under their own hands , which I have to produce at large , and which , as I see great occasion for may be made publick . But how little , or indeed , nothing to the purpose , Sam. Jennings hath washed himself clean , of the dirt , not that we have thrown on him , but what he hath daubed himself with , I leave to impartial Readers to Judg , and whether his Labour to clear himself of it , be not with as little success , as if an Ethiopian would labour to wash himself white . If any place were for my Advice to him , the best way for him to clear himself of these things , is to repent sincerely of his Falshood , Hypocrisy , Pride and Spirit of Persecution , and all other his great sins , that are too too manifest , however h● seeks to cover them , and however some here in England that have espoused his unrighteous cause , seek to cloak him . And as for his Certificate which he hath received from his Party and Associates that are guilty with him in many of the things charged against him ; I judg no impartial Readers will think it of any weight ; and to counterballance it , I could produce a more full and ample Certificate to clear me , signed by thrice as many Hands , and Persons generally of as good , and many of better Credit , as any that have signed to his . But Certificates from Parties signify little ; and when a man 's own words and actions cry aloud that he is guilty , paper Certificates can never have that force to make him innocent . George Keith . London : Printed for R. Levis , 1694.