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             Something that lately passed in discourse between the King and R.H. published to prevent the mistakes and errors in a copy lately printed contrary to the knowledge or intention of the party concerned ... therefore it was thought convenient for the removing of errors and mistakes to be reprinted in a more true form and order for the satisfaction of others [by] R. H.
             Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.
             Charles II, King of England, 1630-1685.
          
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           Something
           that
           lately
           passed
           in
           DISCOURSE
           Between
           the
           KING
           And
           R.
           H.
           PUBLISHED
           TO
           PREVENT
           THE
           mistakes
           and
           Errors
           in
           a
           Copy
           lately
           printed
           ,
           contrary
           to
           the
           knowledge
           or
           intention
           of
           the
           party
           concerned
           :
           and
           not
           only
           so
           ,
           but
           also
           misprinted
           and
           abused
           in
           several
           particulars
           ,
           therefore
           it
           was
           thought
           convenient
           for
           the
           removing
           of
           Errors
           and
           mistakes
           to
           be
           reprinted
           in
           a
           more
           true
           form
           and
           order
           for
           the
           satisfaction
           of
           others
           .
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           Printed
           by
           
             A.
             W.
          
           for
           
             G.
             C.
          
           and
           are
           to
           be
           sold
           at
           his
           Shop
           at
           the
           Black
           
             Spread
             .
             Eagle
          
           at
           the
           West-end
           of
           
             Pauls
             ,
          
           1660.
           
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           Something
           that
           lately
           passed
           in
           DISCOURSE
           Between
           the
           KING
           And
           R.
           H.
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             SINce
             the
             Lord
             hath
             called
             us
             and
             gathered
             us
             ●o
             be
             a
             people
             ,
             to
             walk
             in
             his
             fear
             ,
             and
             in
             his
             truth
             ,
             we
             have
             alwaies
             suffered
             and
             been
             persecuted
             by
             the
             Powers
             that
             have
             ruled
             ,
             and
             been
             made
             a
             prey
             of
             ,
             for
             departing
             from
             iniquity
             ;
             and
             when
             the
             breach
             of
             no
             just
             Law
             could
             be
             charged
             against
             us
             ,
             then
             they
             made
             laws
             of
             purpose
             to
             ensnare
             us
             ,
             and
             so
             our
             sufferings
             wert
             unjustly
             continued
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               It
               is
               true
               ,
               those
               that
               have
               ruled
               over
               you
               ,
               have
               been
               cruel
               ,
               and
               have
               professed
               much
               which
               they
               have
               not
               done
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             R
             H.
             
          
           
             And
             likewise
             the
             same
             sufferings
             do
             now
             abound
             in
             more
             cruelty
             against
             us
             in
             many
             parts
             of
             this
             Nation
             ,
             as
             for
             instance
             ,
             one
             at
             
               Thetford
            
             in
             
               Norfolk
               ,
            
             where
             
               Henry
               
               〈◊〉
            
             (
             ministring
             unto
             the
             people
             )
             was
             taken
             out
             of
             the
             meeting
             and
             whipped
             ,
             and
             sent
             out
             of
             the
             Town
             from
             Paris●
             to
             Parish
             towards
             
               Lancashire
               ,
            
             and
             the
             chief
             gro●nd
             of
             his
             Accusation
             in
             his
             Pass
             (
             which
             was
             shewen
             to
             the
             King
             )
             was
             because
             he
             denyed
             to
             take
             the
             Oath
             of
             Allegiance
             and
             Supremacy
             ,
             and
             so
             because
             that
             for
             conscience
             sake
             we
             cannot
             swear
             ,
             but
             have
             learned
             obedience
             to
             the
             Doctrine
             of
             Christ
             ,
             which
             saith
             ,
             swear
             not
             at
             all
             ;
             hereby
             an
             occasion
             is
             taken
             against
             us
             to
             persecute
             us
             :
             and
             it
             is
             well
             known
             that
             we
             have
             not
             sworn
             for
             any
             ,
             nor
             against
             any
             ,
             but
             have
             kept
             to
             the
             truth
             ,
             and
             and
             our
             yea
             hath
             been
             yea
             ,
             and
             our
             nay
             ,
             nay
             ,
             in
             all
             things
             which
             is
             more
             than
             the
             Oath
             of
             those
             that
             are
             out
             of
             the
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               But
               why
               can
               you
               not
               swear
               ,
               for
               an
               Oath
               is
               a
               common
               thing
               amongst
               men
               to
               any
               engagement
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             it
             is
             manifest
             ,
             and
             we
             have
             seen
             it
             by
             experience
             ;
             and
             it
             is
             so
             common
             amongst
             men
             to
             swear
             and
             engage
             either
             for
             or
             against
             things
             ,
             that
             there
             is
             no
             regard
             taken
             to
             them
             ,
             nor
             fear
             of
             an
             Oath
             ,
             that
             therefore
             which
             we
             speak
             of
             in
             the
             truth
             of
             our
             hearts
             ,
             is
             more
             than
             what
             they
             swear
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               But
               can
               you
               not
               promise
               as
               before
               the
               Lord
               (
               which
               is
               the
               substance
               of
               the
               Oath
            
             )
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             what
             we
             do
             affirm
             ,
             we
             can
             promise
             before
             the
             Lord
             ,
             and
             take
             him
             to
             our
             witness
             in
             it
             ,
             but
             our
             so
             promising
             hath
             not
             been
             accepted
             ,
             but
             the
             ceremony
             of
             an
             Oath
             they
             have
             stood
             for
             ,
             without
             which
             all
             other
             things
             were
             accounted
             of
             no
             effect
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               But
               how
               may
               we
               know
               from
               your
               words
               ,
               that
               you
               will
               perform
            
             ?
          
        
         
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             By
             proving
             of
             us
             ;
             for
             they
             that
             swear
             are
             not
             known
             to
             be
             faithfull
             but
             by
             proving
             of
             them
             ;
             and
             so
             we
             b●
             those
             that
             have
             tryed
             us
             ,
             are
             found
             to
             be
             truer
             in
             our
             promises
             than
             ●thers
             by
             their
             Oathes
             ,
             and
             to
             those
             that
             do
             yet
             p●ove
             u●
             ,
             we
             shall
             appear
             the
             same
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Pray
               what
               is
               your
               Principle
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             O●●
             Principle
             is
             this
             ,
             
               That
               Jesus
               Christ
               is
               the
               true
               light
               which
               enlightneth
               every
               one
               that
               cometh
               into
               the
               wo●ld
               ▪
               that
               all
               men
               through
               him
               might
               believe
            
             ;
             and
             that
             th●y
             were
             to
             obey
             and
             follow
             this
             
               light
               ,
            
             as
             they
             have
             received
             it
             ,
             whereby
             they
             ma●
             be
             led
             unto
             God
             ,
             and
             unto
             righ●●o●sn●sse
             .
             and
             the
             knowl●dge
             of
             the
             truth
             ,
             that
             they
             may
             be
             saved
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               This
               do
               all
               Christians
               confess
               to
               be
               truth
               ,
               and
               he
               is
               not
               a
               Christian
               that
               will
               deny
               it
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             But
             many
             have
             denyed
             it
             ,
             both
             in
             words
             &
             w●itings
             ,
             and
             opposed
             us
             in
             it
             ▪
             and
             above
             an
             h●ndred
             Books
             are
             put
             forth
             in
             opposition
             unto
             this
             Principle
             .
          
           
             That
             some
             of
             the
             Lords
             standing
             by
             the
             King
             ,
             said
             ,
             that
             none
             would
             deny
             that
             every
             one
             is
             enlightned
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             .
          
           
             
               And
               one
               of
               the
               Lords
               asked
               ,
               How
               long
               we
               had
               been
               called
            
             Quakers
             ,
             
               or
               did
               we
               own
               that
               name
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             That
             name
             was
             given
             to
             us
             in
             scorn
             and
             detision
             about
             twelve
             years
             since
             ,
             but
             there
             was
             some
             that
             lived
             in
             this
             truth
             before
             we
             had
             that
             name
             given
             unto
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               How
               long
               is
               it
               since
               you
               owned
               this
               judgement
               and
               way
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             R.H.
             
          
           
             It
             is
             near
             twelve
             yeares
             since
             I
             owned
             this
             truth
             according
             to
             the
             manifestation
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Do
               you
               own
               the
               Sacrament
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.H.
             
          
           
             As
             for
             the
             word
             
               S●crame●t
               ,
            
             I
             do
             not
             read
             of
             it
             in
             the
             Scripture
             ;
             but
             a●
             for
             the
             body
             and
             blood
             of
             Christ
             I
             own
             ;
             and
             that
             th●re
             is
             no
             remission
             without
             blood
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Well
               that
               is
               it
               ;
               but
               do
               you
               n●t
               beleeve
               that
               every
               one
               is
               ●ommanded
               to
               rec●ive
               it
            
             ?
          
        
         
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             This
             we
             do
             beleive
             ,
             ●hat
             according
             as
             it
             is
             writen
             in
             the
             Scripture
             ,
             that
             Christ
             at
             his
             last
             Supper
             took
             bread
             and
             brake
             it
             ,
             and
             g●ve
             to
             his
             Disciples
             ;
             and
             also
             took
             the
             Cup
             and
             blessed
             it
             ,
             and
             said
             unto
             them
             ,
             and
             as
             often
             as
             ye
             do
             this
             (
             that
             is
             ,
             as
             often
             as
             they
             brake
             bread
             )
             you
             shew
             forth
             the
             Lo●ds
             death
             till
             he
             come
             ;
             and
             this
             we
             believe
             they
             did
             ,
             and
             
               they
               eat
               their
               bread
               in
               singlenesse
               of
               Heart
               from
               house
               to
               house
            
             :
             and
             Christ
             did
             come
             again
             un●o
             them
             according
             to
             his
             promise
             ,
             after
             which
             they
             said
             ,
             
               we
               being
               many
               are
               one
               bread
               ,
            
             for
             we
             are
             all
             partakers
             of
             this
             own
             bread
             .
          
        
         
           
             Kings
             Friend
             .
          
           
             
               Then
               one
               of
               the
               Kings
               friends
               said
               ,
               It
               is
               true
               :
               for
               as
               m●ny
               grains
               make
               one
               bread
               ,
               so
               they
               being
               many
               members
               were
               one
               body
               .
            
          
           
             
               Another
               of
               them
               said
               ,
               If
               they
               be
               the
               bread
               ,
               then
               they
               must
               be
               broken
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             difference
             between
             that
             bread
             which
             he
             brake
             at
             his
             last
             Supper
             ,
             wherein
             they
             were
             to
             shew
             forth
             ,
             as
             in
             a
             sign
             ,
             his
             death
             untill
             he
             came
             :
             and
             this
             ,
             whereof
             they
             speak
             ,
             they
             being
             many
             ,
             are
             one
             Bread
             for
             herein
             they
             were
             come
             more
             into
             the
             substance
             ,
             and
             to
             speak
             more
             mysticall
             ,
             as
             they
             knew
             it
             in
             the
             Spirit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Kings
             Friends
             .
          
           
             
               Then
               they
               said
               ,
               It
               is
               truth
               ,
               and
               he
               had
               spoken
               ?
               nothing
               but
               truth
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               How
               know
               you
               that
               you
               are
               inspired
               by
               the
               Lord
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.H.
             
          
           
             According
             as
             we
             read
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             ,
             That
             
               the
               inspiration
               of
               the
               Almighty
               giveth
               understanding
               ,
            
             so
             by
             its
             inspiration
             is
             an
             understanding
             given
             us
             of
             the
             things
             of
             God
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             .
          
           
             
               Then
               one
               of
               the
               Lords
               said
               ,
               How
               do
               you
               know
               that
               you
               are
               led
               by
               the
               true
               Spirit
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             .
             H.
             
          
           
             This
             we
             know
             ,
             because
             the
             Spirit
             of
             truth
             it
             rep●oves
             the
             
               world
               of
               Sin
               ,
            
             and
             by
             it
             we
             were
             reproved
             of
             sin
             ,
             and
             also
             are
             led
             from
             sin
             unto
             righteousness
             
             and
             obedience
             of
             truth
             ,
             by
             which
             effects
             we
             know
             it
             is
             the
             true
             Spirit
             ,
             for
             the
             Spirit
             of
             the
             wicked
             one
             doth
             not
             lead
             unto
             such
             things
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             and
             Lords
             .
          
           
             
               Then
               the
               King
               and
               his
               Lords
               said
               ,
               It
               was
               truth
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Well
               ,
               of
               this
               you
               may
               be
               assured
               ,
               That
               you
               shall
               none
               of
               you
               suffer
               for
               your
               Opinions
               or
               Religion
               ,
               so
               long
               as
               you
               live
               peaceably
               ,
               and
               you
               have
               the
               word
               of
               a
               King
               for
               it
               ,
               and
               I
               have
               also
               given
               forth
               a
               Declaration
               to
               the
               same
               purpose
               ,
               that
               none
               shall
               wrong
               you
               nor
               abuse
               you
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               How
               do
               you
               own
               Magistrates
               or
               Magistracy
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.H.
             
          
           
             Thus
             we
             do
             own
             Magistrates
             ,
             whosoever
             is
             set
             up
             by
             God
             ,
             
               whether
               King
               as
               Supream
               ,
            
             or
             any
             set
             in
             authority
             by
             him
             ,
             who
             are
             
               for
               the
               punishment
               of
               evil
               doers
               ,
               and
               the
               praise
               of
               them
               that
               do
               well
            
             ;
             such
             we
             shall
             submit
             unto
             ,
             and
             assist
             in
             righteous
             and
             civill
             things
             both
             by
             body
             and
             estate
             :
             and
             if
             any
             Magistrates
             do
             that
             which
             is
             unrighteous
             ,
             we
             must
             declare
             against
             it
             ,
             onely
             submit
             under
             it
             by
             a
             patient
             suffering
             ,
             and
             not
             rebell
             against
             any
             by
             insurrections
             ,
             plots
             and
             contrivances
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             
          
           
             
               Then
               the
               King
               said
               ,
               that
               is
               enough
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             .
          
           
             
               Then
               on
               of
               the
               Lords
               a●ked
               ,
               why
               do
               you
               meet
               together
               ,
               seeing
               every
               one
               of
               you
               have
               the
               Church
               in
               your selves
               ?
            
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             According
             as
             it
             is
             written
             in
             the
             Scriptures
             the
             Church
             is
             in
             God
             ,
             
               Thes.
            
             1.1
             .
             
               And
               they
               that
               feared
               the
               Lord
               ,
               did
               meet
               often
               together
               in
               the
               fear
               of
               the
               Lord
               ,
            
             and
             to
             us
             it
             is
             profitable
             ,
             and
             herein
             we
             are
             edified
             and
             strengthned
             in
             the
             life
             of
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               How
               did
               you
               first
               come
               to
               beleive
               the
               Scriptures
               were
               truth
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             I
             have
             believed
             the
             Scriptures
             from
             a
             child
             to
             be
             a
             declaration
             of
             truth
             ,
             when
             I
             had
             but
             a
             literal
             knowledge
             ,
             naturall
             education
             and
             tradition
             :
             But
             now
             I
             know
             the
             Scriptures
             to
             be
             true
             ,
             by
             the
             manifestation
             and
             operation
             of
             the
             Spirit
             of
             God
             fulfilling
             them
             in
             me
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               In
               what
               manner
               do
               you
               meet
               ,
               and
               what
               is
               the
               order
               in
               your
               meetings
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R·
             H.
             
          
           
             We
             do
             meet
             in
             the
             same
             order
             as
             the
             people
             of
             God
             did
             ,
             waiting
             upon
             him
             :
             and
             if
             any
             have
             a
             word
             of
             exhortation
             from
             the
             Lord
             ,
             he
             may
             speak
             it
             ,
             or
             if
             any
             have
             a
             word
             of
             reproof
             or
             admonition
             ,
             and
             as
             every
             one
             hath
             received
             the
             gift
             ,
             so
             they
             may
             minister
             one
             unto
             another
             ,
             and
             may
             be
             edified
             one
             by
             another
             ,
             whereby
             a
             growth
             in●o
             the
             knowledge
             of
             the
             truth
             is
             administred
             to
             one
             another
             .
          
           
             One
             of
             the
             Lords
             .
             
               Then
               you
               know
               not
               so
               much
               as
               you
               may
               know
               ,
               but
               there
               is
               a
               growth
               then
               to
               be
               admitted
               of
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             R.H.
             
          
           
             Yes
             we
             do
             grow
             dayly
             into
             the
             knowledge
             of
             the
             truth
             in
             our
             exercise
             and
             obedience
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Are
               any
               of
               your
               friends
               gone
               to
               Rome
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             there
             is
             one
             in
             Prison
             in
             
               Rome
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Why
               did
               you
               send
               him
               thither
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.
             H.
             
          
           
             We
             did
             not
             send
             him
             thither
             ,
             but
             he
             found
             something
             upon
             his
             Spirit
             from
             the
             Lord
             ,
             whereby
             he
             was
             called
             to
             go
             to
             declare
             against
             Superstition
             and
             Idolatry
             ,
             which
             is
             contrary
             to
             the
             will
             of
             God
             .
          
           
             Kings
             Friend
             said
             ,
             
               There
               were
               two
               of
               them
               at
            
             Rome
             ,
             
               but
               one
               was
               dead
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             King
             .
          
           
             
               Have
               any
               of
               your
               friends
               been
               with
               the
               great
            
             Turk
             ?
          
        
         
           
             R.H.
             
          
           
             Some
             of
             our
             friends
             have
             been
             in
             that
             Country
             .
          
           
             Other
             things
             were
             spoken
             concerning
             the
             liberty
             of
             the
             servants
             of
             the
             Lord
             ,
             which
             were
             called
             of
             him
             into
             his
             service
             ;
             that
             to
             them
             there
             was
             no
             limitation
             to
             parishes
             or
             places
             ,
             but
             as
             the
             Lord
             did
             guide
             them
             in
             his
             work
             and
             service
             by
             his
             spirit
             .
          
           
             So
             the
             King
             promised
             that
             we
             should
             not
             any
             wayes
             suffer
             for
             our
             opinion
             or
             Religion
             ,
             and
             so
             in
             love
             passed
             away
          
        
         
           FINIS
           .