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An Epistle to Friends , shewing the great Difference between a Convinced Estate , and a Converted Estate ; And between the Profession of the Truth , and the Posession thereof , with the Comfort and sweetness to the Soul it Affordeth , & c. SInce the Dawning of the Heavenly Day and living Appearance of the pure God , and Rising of his Glorious Son by his Light , Grace and Holy Spirit , many have been called and Convinced of the Truth and way of God , what it is , and how they might walk therein : This Knowledge hath been given to many , of God in and through Jesus , Christ , his Son , by his Light , Grace and Holy Spirit put and placed in the Hearts and Consciences of the Sons and Daughters of Men. Now that which the Lord requires thereby , is Obedience and Faithfulness thereunto , according to the Knowledge so given , which is to deny Self , and take up and willingly bear the Cross of our Lord Jesus Christ , which Crucifies to the World , and the World to them with all its vile Affections and Lust ; these come to know not only a Convinced Estate , but a Conversion in their Hearts and Souls . Now the Counsel of God , that in my Heart and Soul remains , in Bowels of true Love , Tenderness and Compassion , and as a Faithful Warning also unto all such , who have remained ( whether many Years , or few ) under a Convincement , or in a Convinced Estate , is , That you carefully and in true fear yield pure Obedience unto God , according to the Knowledge he hath given you by his pure Light , Grace and Holy Spirit ; being no Sacrifice short of this , doth find Acceptance with him : who by the same lets you see , and accordingly teaches you what you shall deny your selves in : What you must part with and forsake ? What you should do , and what you should not in order to your Conversion : and Sanctification . I say , as having a Stress upon my Spirit , in the Love of God unto all you , as before ; Yield Obedience unto God according to the Knowledge you have received from him , and do no longer satisfie your selves , nor speak Peace to your selves , because you are Convinced of the Truth , and because you know the Truth and Way of God , what it is , and so make a Profession thereof ; think not that this Knowledge will serve your turn to justifie you in the sight of God , short of Obedience . For Christ himself , though he was the Son of God , he learned Obedience ; and how much more ought the Sons and Daughters of Men learn Obedience , though never so Rich , Wise , Great and Potent in the World , or never so much Accounted of among the Sons and Daughters of Men : That so through Obedience to the known Will and requirings of God , you may come to feel and be sensible of the work of his Power and Holy Spirit in your Hearts , there to Change you , to work , and Convert you into the nature of Truth , to the bearing of the Heavenly Image thereof : The working of which , as it 's truly waited for and kept to ( viz. ) the Power , begets fear towards God , least such should disobey him , or grieve his good Spirit ; and so effects Brokenness and Tenderness of Heart and Spirit before the Lord , and works into lowliness of mind in carriage and Behaviour before all people ; softens the hard Heart , brings down the high mind , and proud and lofty Spirit , and subjects the stiff and unruly will and Nature . And they who come to know this Work wrought in them , in order to their Conversion , come to know it in and under , and after their being so Convinced , they must and do come to know it through Judgement , which they must love , and patiently dwell in , if ever they come to know a Converted Estate . Through the same ( to wit Judgement ) be set up and kindled in their hearts as a Fire , and know the Word of God as a Sword and Hammer , yet notwithstanding it must be loved : For so said the Prophet ; How do I love thy Judgement : And Christ said , I will not break the bruised Reed , nor quench the smoaking Flax , untill Judgement be brought forth unto Victory . So have a Care ( all , who are Convinced , and do make a Confession to , and Profession of the Truth ) of presuming upon the Mercies of the Lord in your Disobedience , and flying Judgment , or that which Judgeth you because of your Disobedience , and flying the Cross. For Judgement , you must either know and love , and patiently dwell in and keep to , or else your hard Hearts you can nev●r know Converted and Changed ; and the Word of God as a sharp two edged sword , that will cause pain in your Bowels , and beget Godly sorrow in you to bring you to true Repentance , by weeping and mourning for your Disobedience , you must either know and love , or else the First-Born in you can never come to be slain , which is that Life in that Nature , that you have lived after the Flesh in doing and haveing your own Wills , in fulfilling your own Hearts Lusts ; and the Word of God as a Fire , you must either know and love , and patien●ly dwell in , and Judgement to be set up and executed in your Hearts , or else you can never know the Combustable matter there Consumed ; the Bryars and the Thorns , the Love of the World , the Lust of the Flesh , the Lust of the Eye , the Pride of Life , the Cares of the World which is said to Choak the good Seed , as to the coming of it up in its Growth , in the Hearts of People . I thus set forth unto you that the way of your Redemption out of Captivity and Spiritual Bondage , and to come to a Converted Estate must be in and through Judgement , and that as by a Fire and Hammer , or Sword , think it not hard ; for i●'s the right Door to come in by to receive Mercy from the Lord's Hand ; of whom it 's said , He mixes mercy with judgement , ( but then the Judgement must be owned . ) And though many are they in number , that are living Witnesses , this has been the Way of the dealings of God with their Souls ; and it was to them and to you in the Offers of it , Gods free Love , in and through Jesus Christ his Son , who said : For Judgment I am come into the World ; and all judgement is committed unto him . So now all ye , who remain in a Convinced Estate , and live and act contrary to that which Convinceth you , ye should not there remain in Disobedience : for ye may see ( if ye will but turn to your minds in fear towards God ) the great Difference between a Convinced Estate , and a Converted Estate . For the Hearts , Souls and Spirits of those that are turn'd to God in Righteousness , and so truly Converted and changed , and have known a Passing from Death unto Life the way I have shewed you , they are Broken-hearted , Lowly-minded , and in their Souls and Spirits there remains a true Tenderness ; and such are concerned to set a watch before their Lips daily , that they may not offend with their Tongues ! and not only in Words but in Actions ; and that they may live the life of Truth they make profession of . And it 's such that grows in Grace and Saving knowledge , and that prosper in their Gifts given unto them of the Free-giver ( who fear him always ) and that to his Praise and Glory , and their remaining Comfort and Souls sweet Satisfaction . And therefore is it , that the Hearts of the truly Converted are sitted and prepared by the power of God to offer Offerings and Sacrifices unto him , that find Acceptance with him . But the Hearts of the Convinced , that live in Disobedience , and are not willing to bear the daily Cross , nor come under Judgement , are not so , but are hard ; and their minds high , not Subject to the Yoke of Christ , nor willing to bear his burthen ; and yet can satisfie your selves in coming as the People come , and fit as God's people sit in their Meetings and Assemblies , and like to hear thy Words ( as the Lord said by the Prophet ) but will not do them ; and thou art unto them , saith the Lord , as a lovely Song , as one that hath a pleasant Voice , and can play well upon an Instrument ; and they shew forth much love with their Mouths ; but their hearts go after their Covetousness . Therefore let these things be as Warnings unto you , all that only remain in a Convinced Estate , and bear Profession of the Truth , short of the Possession thereof : and take warning betimes , receive Counsel and give ear to instruction , and own reproof , for it is the Way of Life , before Death seize upon you , that will stay no Man or womans time nor leisure to Repent , and Amend their wayes and doings ; least that day and Hour come upon you , as a Thief in the night , that you , like the foolish Virgins , are not aware of . And then you finding your selves not sitted and prepared to go hence , be made to cry upon your Death-Beds , when time that you had , is spent ( in forgetfulness of God , and the many warnings you have had ) Lord , open to us ! But if you put off the day and time of the amendment of your ways and doings untill then , you know aforehand , what will be the Answer you must have given you : First The Door of Mercy will be shut against you , that have not loved Judgement in your Life-time ; and the Answer will be , Depart from me I know you not . I Called and Cried , but ye would not hear ; and therefore you shall call and cry , but I will not Answer . Oh! how long has the Lord Called and Cried , and Knockt at the Door of your Hearts , and striven with you by his good Spirit , as by an Immediate Hand , who would often thereby have retained you from your backslidings and unfaithfulness , and Disobedience ; who hath not been severe in marking what you have done amiss , and therefore you have presumed upon his patience and long-suffering ( Do so no more , that 's Christs Lesson ) And sometimes when , because of the Long-suffering of God to you ward , it hath entred your Hearts to consider , how just it might have been with him , to have Cut you off long ere now in his wrath for your Disobedience ! No doubt , but sometimes you have made Vows and Promises in Your selves , You would do so no more , as heretofore you had done ; And after all this for want of watchfulness over the outgoings of your minds , and for want of taking true heed unto the shinings of the pure Light of Jesus Christ that discovered your State and Condition to you , as it was , and for want of keeping the fear of the Lord before your Eyes , the Enemies of your Souls with his old Baits in the fair proffers of them you have again Eutred his Temptation , and so have sinned and rebelled against , and contrary to the striving of his good Spirit , the Spirit of Truth , and Contrary to his pure Counsel , the Light , wherein the true power is received to resist the wick●d one in all his Devices , who believe therein , and keep thereto ! which pure Light will for ever be the Condemnation of those that do not love it , and that are not willing to bring their deeds to it , that they may be manifest whether they are wrought in God or no ; for all the Children of the Light and of the Day bring their Deeds to it . And besides the many Visitations of Gods Love to you by an immediate Hand , by the strivings of his good Spirit in your Hearts , or at the Door of your Hearts ; O the Labour , Travel and Exercise of God's Servants , Ministers , and Messengers , with which they have been attended , and weightily concerned , many times both in Body and Spirit in their Testimonies , in Love , good will and true Tenderness for the good of your immortal Souls . And yet notwithstanding the Lords great and large Love to you , First in calling you by his Grace out of the World , and the ways and dead Worships and Forms of it , and in it , and his giving you a knowledge of his Will and Mind thereby , that you might learn Obedience accordingly ; and notwithstanding the striving of his Holy Spirit in order to bring you thereunto ; together with the great Labour , Travel and Pains , that the Servants of Christ have been willing to take , and Travel many Hundreds of Miles over Sea and Land , through Difficulties and various Exercises , willingly leaving behind them whatsoever is near and dear unto them , or never so good and lawful in it self , for the good of your Souls , with the rest of God's People , yea , in love to all People ; in and through all which the Love of God has been and is largely held forth unto you . And yet notwithstanding all this , and much more that might be mentioned , hath it not proved the unhappiness of too many of you Professing the the Truth , that are not come to possess the same , because of your unfaithfulness , that you have requited both the Lord and his Servants Evil for Good , and have chosen your own way , and followed the Counsel of your own Hearts Lusts , being unconverted , and spoken Peace to your selves in a polluted rest ? And are not some of you too much like those the Lord speaks of by the Prophet Ezekiel , when he said , Son of Man , the Children of thy People are still talking against thee by the Walls and in the Doors , saying one to another , and every man to his Brother , I pray you , let us hear the Word that cometh forth from the mouth of the Lord : Which although , as I have hinted , they confessed unto , and seemingly liked to hear , yet they were not willing to do accordingly . And when this cometh to pass ( and it will , saith the Lord ) they shall know there hath been a Prophet among them . Methinks it sounds in my Ears as though they spake mockingly or in derision , Scorn or dislike against the Prophet ; and it were well if this proved not the Estate and Condition of too many Professing Truth in our day ! But I fear and have a Godly Jealousie , and have seen and felt to much of it , in my Travels and various Exercises , that there are too many that undervalue and dis-esteem the Labour and Travel of Gods Servants , Ministers and Messengers , yea , the very Ancient and Elder Brethren , as well as the Younger , except they appear as these that are very Wise and Eloquent ( though in the Life and Power ) and by a proud , disdainfull Lordly Spirit , that is of an Earthly Savour , are often busying themselves , and Whispering , and tatling and talking against Faithful Brethren , that have born the burthen in the Heat of the Day . And if you can but espy any Failure or Weakness ( as you think ) in or by any of them , though but one of a Thousand , as to what you will take Liberties to your selves to do , and yet Justifie your selves therein , though readily Judge and Condemn them , Do not you think thereby to Cover your Iniquity and Disobedience : For I must tell you in Love and true Tenderness , you will find your selves greatly mistaken & deceived by the Enemy of your Souls ; who through his Subtilty perswades you to believe his Lyes , and that in the day and time of your Account : For according to the Deeds done in your own Bodys , or by your selves , so must your reward be , whether they be good or evil . Why talked the People that sat as God's People did , against the Prophet in his Time ? Was it for any other thing than speaking the Words of the Lord ? What do some in our day speak and talk one to another against the Servants of Christ for , as though ( in their account ) if every one appears not in their Testimony as an Eye or a Hand , they must have no place in the Work of God ; but are cut off and thrown away , in th●ir Judgement ? Is it now any more than in the Prophets time ? Is it for any thing else , but because those that have the Word now , must speak it in Faithfulness unto all that such is spoken against ? And are they counted Enemies therefore by some ? As Paul said , that b●essed Apostle in hi● time . Oh! when will your minds Ch●nge ! when will your Hearts be rent and tend●r'd to the hum●ling of you under the Consideration of those t●ing● ! And not so to ab●se your own Mercies , or the Mercies and la●ge loving kindnesses of the Lord thus held fo●th and continued unto you ! why is Wit , why is Wisdom in the Man's part , Wealth and the Strength of mans Reason so much accounted of , and such so Esteemed , and others more simple under valued ? And why is the Simplicity of the Gospel so trodden down and run over by too many in the overliness ? Do no● you see , and will you not Consider , how the Lord has and will confound the wisdom of the Wife , and bring to nothing the understanding of the Prudent ones , who exalt themselves thereby ? For he giveth more grace to the humble , and will exalt the Man of low Degree ; and such shall be Abased . The blessed Apostle came not with enticing Words of Mens wisdom , neither the words that Mens Wisdom teacheth ; but in the Demonstration of the Power and Spirit of God : So they that exalt themselves , though never so high in words , excellent speeches , and Scholastick Terms , and though they be never so much cried up , the Lord will , as he has done , Cast down such ; as by woful Experience too much it is to be seen by those that by a light airy spirit , notwithstanding their words have floated above the pure simplicity of the Gospel . So all keep low , and there is safety . What do some under a Profession of the Truth , though out of the Possession thereof , and Life and Practice of the same , think themselves so secure , that because of Ease , Peace and Liberty ( though but outward ) have and do so continue , there is no such need of Diligence and Faithfulness towards God ; and as though it were afforded that they might seek themselves and serve themselves and make use of their time to grow Rich and Great in the World , and as though this Day would still last to such unfai●hful ones : Oh , I tell you Nay , you dec●i●e your selves therein : For God hath determined to Visit this Nation , and the People thereof as by a R●d and a Sc●●rge , because of the sins a●d Abominations thereof : For his Soul is vexed , and his Holy Spirit is grieved even into Wrath , and fere Displeasure . And you that make a Pro●ession of his Name , and not in Truth and Righteo●sness , who sow to the Flesh and not unto the Spirit , do not think to escape the Jud●ement without a timely Repentance : for you are neither one with that of God in your selves , nor in Unity with his People ; and in the Execution of his Righteous Judgement upon this Nation you will be found in the Outer Cour● , to be trode● un●●r the foot of the Gentiles . And yet notwithstanding , whatsoever the Lord sees good to bring to pass in the Earth , as he always had , he hath still a way and place to preserve his faith●ul Ones , as in a City within the Gate . within the Door , whose Walls is Salvation , or as those that know Salvation for Walls and Bulworks . So stay not behind in carelesness , neither abide any longer in the outer Court , though seemingly you may enjoy Ease , peace and fulness for a time , Trouble and Perplexity will overtake all such . So make good use of the time , the Lord in love and mercy may yet afford you , and strive with diligence and fear to get within the Wall into the Inner Court , that is , into the Life , into the Power , into the Possession of the Truth , you make Profession of , or else you will be left behind , liable to be destroyed by the D●stroyer , and devoured by the D●●ourer . Then you shall remember , that I with many of God's faithful Servants , have given you a Faithful Friendly Warning . Now through all these things you may see , that are serious and Considerate , the great and vast Difference between a Convinced Estate , and a Converted Estate , and between the Profession of the Truth barely , and the Possessor thereof . For the Professor of the Truth in words , out of the Life and Practice , is dry , barren and empty , and unsensible of Life in their Souls , out of the Faith that gives Victory ; Wells without Water , Clouds without Rain , minding Earthly things more then heavenly ; Reprobate Silver shall men call them , who because of their Extraordinary love to , and gaping after the World in too much love thereunto , more than to God , his Truth and People , or for the good of their own Souls . For if some that profess the Truth , were but as much concerned in faithfulness to God , and for the good of their own Souls , in order to win Heaven and the S●lvation thereof , as they are concerned for the Earth , and to heap up Riches they know not for whom , well might it be with many as to their Eternal Happiness . But being that such are many times , more concerned for the Assurance of the Terrestial , than the Celestial ( viz. ) more for the Earthly than the Heavenly , hence it is , that although such profess the Truth and the worship of God amongst his People , they grow very indifferent about the performance of it : For they can scarce find any time to come to Meetings , but on the First Day . What differ these from the Professor and Prophane in the World ? Let such say so to themselves , and amend their ways and doings . And when such do come to Meetings , it s too apparent where their Treasure is , and their Hearts are with it , to wit , in the Earth : And so their minds and heads are pull'd down-ward , by reason of the weight of it upon them . And hence it is , that such are Dead , D●y , Sottish , Careless and Sleepy in Meetings , which sheweth forth the coldness of their love to God-ward , his Truth and People , and worthy Name of the Lord ; and how unconcerned they are for the Management of the Affairs and concerns of Truth in Men and Womens Meetings , and neglect Week-day-Meetings . And yet none readier than such to Judge and Censure those that are faithful , diligent and laborious , and wholly devouted , what in them lies , to serve the Lord , his Truth and People , both in managing and maintaining the Affairs and Concerns of Truth . This is the Trick of all Idlers , that would Eat , but will not Work themselves , to judge and find many Faults with them that are diligent in their Labour and Concern ; which maketh the Labour and Travel of God's faithful Servants , that have his Work to do , and his Word to speak , sometimes hard and uneasie , because often the Work is great , and the Labourers but few : So it must needs lie heavy upon some , though censoriously judged for their Pains . Howbeit , notwithstanding some in our day , as the Prophet in his time , Labour in vain , and spend their strength for nought , as to effect good to the unconcerned ; yet their Peace is with the Lord , and their reward cometh from him ; Praises , pure Honour and Glory be given to his Holy Name and great Power for evermore , faith my Soul , who will not have any to shut a Door in his House for nought . Go to the Ant , thou Sluggard , Consider her ways , and be wise , thou Sleepy Lazy one : For though she hath no Guides , Overseer nor Ruler , that thou Professest to have , that professest the Truth , and yet out of the Possession ; yet she , the poor Ant , provideth her Meat in the Summer , and gathereth her food in the Harvest . How long wilt thou sleep , O Sluggard ! When wilt thou rise from thy Sleep ! thinkest thou ? What , yet more sleep , and yet more slumber ? and yet more folding of thy hands together ? So shall thy Poverty come upon thee , as one that Travelleth , and thy Want as an armed Man. Wherefore there is a Cry in the secret of my Soul unto all you Professors of Truth , that are not yet come into the Possession thereof , to come away : arise , and stand up upon your Feet , both Man and Woman , and shake your selves from the Dust of the Earth : For Dust is a stifling and choaking thing ; why are you so willing to Travel with such a burthen upon your heart and mind , as the Earth is ? by reason of which the just Pure Seed of God is oppressed in you , which causeth you to Groan in your Travel : wherefore the time of Meeting , and when you should wait upon Worship , and serve God , it 's wearisom and tedious unto you . Oh! Come away , come away all you that make Profession of the Truth , and yet feel not of the sweetness and Comfort that it affords to the Souls of those that are in the Posession , and live the Life thereof : Come away , escape for your lives to Zoar , the City of safety , and look not back into Sodom again : Remember Lot's Wife : And once at last , quit your selves like Men and Women for God , and not only like , but really so : And freely and willingly part with , forsake and cast off all those many things that have been so glued to your minds , or your minds to them ; that have been as so many Lovers hugged in your Bosoms , all which is but as an Harlot you are joyned unto : So your serving and Profession has been and is in the Flesh , where you cannot please God. Cast off all these letting , cumbring things , that you have too long so much loved , by which the enemy of your Souls hath lulled you asleep , that have hindred you from embracing of the Love of God in your Hearts , in and through Jesus Christ his Son ; that room there , and openness there ( instead of straitness and closeness ) may be — For the Appearance of God's Son in his Glorious Rising and living Appearance , by his pure Light , teaching Grace and Holy Spirit ; that will not only shine to let you see , but Teach you what you shall deny your selves in and of , but what manner of Lives you must live : And not only so , but as you believe and wait upon God , therein Power you shall receive , whereby you may be enabled to answer and perform the same ; that instead of a bare Professioon , you may come to know the Possession of Life and Power , true Peace , Sweetness and comfort in your Hearts and Souls , and instead of wearisomness and irksomness in the time of Meeting among Gods people , you may come to have a true Delight in the Joy of God's Salvation , in waiting upon ( though in Silence ) and worshipping and serving of God in Spirit and Truth , as all the Faithful have , that are in the Possession of that they make ●rofession of ; and that instead of Deadness , Dulness , Sleepiness and Unconcernednes in Meetings , and Conversation too , you may come through Faithfulness and true Obedience , in a self-denial and bearing the daily Cross to feel a change wrought in your hearts through the power that is of God , in and through the execution of the righteous Judgement , and so come to be quickened and enlivened by the quickening Spirit of the second Adam , the Lord from Heaven ; and so come to have a living concern to attend your Hearts and Minds both in Meeting and Conversation ; as all that live the life of Truth they make Profession of , are attended with ; which makes them to say , because of the Sweetness and comfort their Souls are in a Possession of , that is as a stream from a Fountain , or a living spring from a Well even the Fountain and Well of Life ; Oh , Truth is precious unto me ! I would fell or part with any thing that I have , that is to be parted with , that I might purchase more of the fulness of it : But I would not fell it for all the World , nor no Enjoyment that is in it , neither a Wife nor an Husband , nor any Possession or Enjoyment here below , though never so great , fair or promising . For such say in their Hearts , that commends them to God , My beloved ( to wit , the Truth ) is mine and I am his , the fairest and chiefest unto me of Ten thousand ; And such it is in their heavenly and Spiritual Exercise , that fit where the Spouse of old did , which is under his Shadow , and that with great delight ; and his Fruit is sweet unto their Taste . And these are they , that above all things Truth is precious unto , that feel , pertake , possess and enjoy of the sweetness and preciousness thereof in their Hearts and Souls , as I even at this moment of time , with all the truly faithful and Obedient do ; to the Praise and glory of the most high God be it spoken . Wherefore my Heart and Soul is broken and melted into true Tenderness before him , which makes me to say again in answer to that weighty concern , that seized upon my Spirit as I was waiting upon the Lord in my own dwelling House ( when such weakness of Body attended me , that I was not able to go to a Meeting ) to write on this wise , for the good of all I am thus concerned for , in this my Epistle ; Oh , the great Difference between a Convinced Estate , and a Converted Estate ! between the Profession of the Truth , and the Possession thereof ; and that chiefly , because of the sweetness and comfort it affordeth unto the Souls of the Faithful . So that I was truly willing , in Obedience to the blessed requirings of the Lord my God , on this wise to discharge my coscience , and ease my Spirit in answer unto the movings and motion of his pure , Holy , Living Spirit , that ( blessed be his Holy Name for evermore ) he hath made me , with a large Remnant , livingly sensible of , desiring and heartily wishing , that my endeavours hereby may be truly Effectual for the good of all that may be concerned in this my Testimony . And now Friends , unto you that are Parents , and that have Children , I have something to say both to you , and your Children . And in the first place , the concern that is upon my mind , and hath often and long remained , Is to give you to understand a little of my own Experience and concern in Ordering and Framing up of my own Children , that if happily it may tend to stir up those , or such as may be short in their Duty towards their Children . When it pleased the Lord to give me Children , as Mercies from his hand ( amongst many more I have received from him ) as my Children grew up , a concern many times , very weighty , ( the Lords knows ) seized upon my mind , both upon my Bed , and many other times , what way I might betake my self to Train up my Children , as did become the Truth , and that might become a Blessing to them , and a Comfort to us their Parents . And accordingly I saw it my way , as much as in me lay , that as they grew up in years , to mind and take diligent notice of their Natural Inclination , or what it was they most naturally Inclined unto : and when I saw any one of them to Incline to any thing in Word or Actions , that under a serious Consideration was not like to prove , if it was suffered to grow or increase , either to be good for their Soul or Body ( for that which is not good for the Soul , it cannot be good for the Body ) it greatly became my concern to restrain them from that when it was but little and small , and when they were young ; so that it was both easie for me to do , and them to get over . And when I found any thing of stubb●rnness get up in them , contrary to the Counsel and Advice I had given them . I did not let foolish pity prevent due Admonition and Correction , though I dearly and tenderly did and do love them all . But some spoil their Children , in letting them have their wills so much , that they become disobedient ●nd rebellious , and so give away their Power so much to the Will of the Child , and lessen their Authority : That as sometimes I have heard to the grief of my Soul , Parents say to their Children , Do such a thing ; they have replied , ( I will not ) and whether ought the Child , that doth not yet understand what 's good either for its Soul or Body , to have its Will ? Or ought not the Parents rather to Constrain them to do what they know is good for them , though they be stiff and stubborn ! That so , what way or course in after-time their Children may take when they are from under their power , the Parents may be clear of their Children in the day of their Account . I say , my great concern was many times , how I might Train up my Children , as did become the Truth , chiefly in what might be good for their Souls ; relying upon Gods Providence for other things , as he did see good . And as they came up in their tender Years one after another , in the Fear of God , I laboured what in me lay , not only by Advice and Counsel and timely Endeavours , to restrain the wild and stubborn nature , and keep them out of and from every thing , that had an evil tendency in it ; but also what in me lay , to beget Love in them to Truth and Friends , and one to another . And so , as they grew up in years , did encourage them to go to Meetings : And I hope I may say without offence , my Endeavours ( with the Blessing of God ) hath wrought a good Effect in my Children to this day , I bless the Lord for it ; and I never durst put them forward to Play , as some do ; and when they had a Capacity , Educated them in reading the Holy Scriptures and Friends Books : And always had and have a care to keep them out of the vain Fashions of the World ; neither could I ever suffer them to go to see or behold any Sport , Game , or Pastime , or Play , that tends to nothing but stirring up of the vain , light mind , and letting loose the wild Nature , and corrupting of Youth . And it was my great Care and concern , to be a good Example , before them and unto them , according to the Counsel I had often given them . And hence it is , where this Care in Carriage and Behaviour in Parents before their Children is a wanting , though such Parents may profess the Truth , it tends to drive their Children farther from it , and hardens their Hearts , and so they grow wild and wanton , proud and high minded ; and as they get up , run to Sports ( and Plays , and to Drinking and Tippling ) amongst the wild Rabble , as I have seen , to the grief of my Soul , in Towns and other places ; and going to Cock fights and Bull-baitings , and to stand amongst wild rude People , spying a Fool and Mounte-bank , acting Folly and Madness upon a Stage or Rope ; against which God's Anger at sometimes by eminent Judgements hath been manifested . As for Example and Proof : at a certain time , when a Person had acted his Folly upon a Rope , a Wall suddenly fell upon many people s●me struck Dead and spoke no more , others their Backs and Legs broken , and others sorely hurt and Maimed , and Bruised , that their blood came out at their mouths . Therefore let the remembrance of this dread all people , so as not to love or delight to behold Vanity , or such like folly and Madness . The Godly care of Parents in time , to train up their Children in the fear of the Lord , and as becomes the Truth , ought to be diligently exercised ; for where that 's wanting , these disorders too often appear in their Children , that they grow up in wildness and wan●onness , and in their behaviour and Apparel to follow the bad ways , courses and Antick Fashions of the World. But who durst do such things in the beginning ? and Truth is the same ; though too many give to their Children , and take to themselves that Liberty that they durst not , nor would truth ever allow of ; though I know many neither can , nor do allow , nor give such Liberty , neither to themselves , nor their Children ; And blessed and happy are they that so discharge their Duty for that end , they may be clear in the discharge thereof , in the day and time of their Account , which they cannot be , that do to the contrary . Therefore Parents and Guardians of Children , discharge your selves in your Duty to your Children , or those with whom you are concerned ; and do not think to excuse your selves with saying , There is great difference of Children's Nature : It 's true there is ; but your indulging of them , and Winking and Conniving at their running out into Vanity and Wildness , makes their Natures worse , and your Children more untruth-like ; and you are greatly in the blame . How comes it to pass that so many Children of those that profess the Truth , are scarce come so far as to use the plain Language ? What think you , that if you be Rich , and have great Portions for them , will this make them blessed and happy ? And must they not therefore have their wills crost ? Consider , that they are Rich that God owns and loves , and poor and miserable that he rejects ; and they are Rich that are Rích in Faith and good Works towards him , notwithstanding poor in this world . And the Prophet said , If riches increase , set not thy Heart upon them ; for they will make themselves Wings and fly away . So Friends , take Counsel and be Advised in Bowels of true Love by your Friend , that wisheth both you and your Children Happiness both here and hereafter . And Train up your Children in the Fear of the Lord in all things , as becomes the Truth you make Profession of : and withal , be sure you be a good Example before them , and unto them . And now Children be subject unto your Parents in that which is good , and none be Stubborn and Rebellious : for in the end , if you do , it will prove your own hurt and loss . And if any of your Parents shew forth any evil example before you , take not Liberty thereby to do any thing that is evil or to speak evil of Truth , nor to neglect Meetings ; nor none to satisfie your selves with going to Meetings barely , because your Parents go , if you can but have Liberty to your Wills , and do and have what pleaseth you : This is not good for your Souls Health , though you want nothing for your Bodies neither will it make for your Peace with the Lord , when you must be separated from all Wordly enjoyment . So Dear Children , take my Counsel and give ear to my Friendly and tender advice in true love unto you : let it be the concern of your minds chiefly in going to Meetings , with diligence to wait in the fear of the Lord , to feel the Work of his Power in your Hearts to change your Nature , and subject your Wills to do the will of God , to the weaning of your minds from delighting in Sport or Pleasure , or any Game or Pastime , or Fine Apparel , or in earthly Substance ; that so thereby , to wit , by the work of the Heavenly Power of God your Hearts may be wrought into true tenderness and brokenness , and Minds and Spirits into Lowliness and Humility before him ; So will you feel Love to increase and abound in your Hearts towards God , his Truth and People ; and so will you come , as you carefully mind the shinings of the pure Light of Jesus Christ , and Teachings of his Gracious Spirit , which will manifest all that which is ●vil in every Appearance of it unto you , and teach you to do that which is good in Word and Action . I say , this is the way for you to come out of Childishness and Childish things , and all manner of Disobedience both towards God and your Parents , and to be weaned from all the Vanities and Pleasures , Customs and Fashions of the World ; so that you will have no delight in keeping Company with any but such as fear the Lord , which will greatly tend to your Happiness and Prosperity both in this Life and that which is to come , as that which teacheth you his Fear , is by you kept in , That so God alone may be Honoured and glorified by you , and you may be a comfort to your Parents ; and the greatest of all in the end will be your own . Unto which the Lord preserve and keep you in his fear in all faithfulness , according to that knowledge , more or less , that you have received from him , out of the Evil that is in the World , is the hearty Prayer , and Souls well-wishing of your Friend , both for You , and your Parents , as for my self and my own Chiidren , in discharge of my Duty in the Love of God. The Lord bring it home to your Understandings ; Amen . Given forth in my own dwelling-House in Cumberland , the 20th day of the 2d Month , 1692. J. B. Let this be Read in the fear of the Lord , and with Vnderstanding , in the Meetings and Families of Friends , wheresoever a service may be seen for it . THE END . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A30835-e200 Heb. 5.8 . John 5.22 . Ezek. 33.31 . Prov. 6.23 . c●p . 15.10 . Matth. 25.10 , 11 , 12. John 3.19 . John 3.21 . Titus 2.11 , 12. Galat. 4.16 . R●m . 1.18 . Revel . 11.2 . Prov. 6. v. 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 , 10 , 11. Luk. 17.32 . Example . Psalm . 62.10 . Prov. 13. Eph. 6.1 , 2 , 3. Col. 3.20 .