Many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a Quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by Richard Baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of God ... / ... by ... E.B.
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             Many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a Quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by Richard Baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of God ... / ... by ... E.B.
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           MANY
           Strong
           Reasons
           CONFOUNDED
           ,
           Which
           would
           hinder
           any
           reasonable
           Man
           from
           being
           A
           QUAKER
           ;
           And
           Offences
           taken
           out
           of
           the
           Way
           .
           But
           particularly
           ,
           Foure
           and
           twenty
           Arguments
           Over
           turned
           and
           Confuted
           ;
           Put
           forth
           and
           sent
           into
           the
           World
           by
           
             Richard
             Baxter
             ,
          
           a
           professed
           Minister
           ;
           but
           a
           frequent
           Contender
           against
           the
           wayes
           of
           God
           :
           And
           this
           is
           an
           Answer
           to
           a
           sheet
           of
           his
           cryed
           up
           and
           down
           the
           streets
           in
           London
           as
           some
           excellent
           piece
           :
           But
           is
           proved
           to
           be
           full
           of
           Lies
           ,
           Slanders
           and
           false
           Reproaches
           against
           an
           innocent
           People
           ;
           and
           this
           is
           sent
           forth
           in
           the
           pursuit
           thereof
           ,
           that
           people
           may
           not
           be
           deceived
           with
           every
           lying
           Monster
           vvhich
           is
           brought
           forth
           to
           publike
           view
           ;
           but
           first
           let
           all
           things
           be
           tryed
           ,
           and
           onely
           that
           which
           is
           good
           held
           fast
           .
        
         
           And
           this
           is
           for
           the
           satisfaction
           of
           honest
           people
           by
           a
           friend
           ,
           E.
           B.
           
        
         
           
             London
             ,
          
           Printed
           for
           
             Thomas
             Simmons
          
           at
           the
           Bull
           and
           Mouth
           neer
           
             Aldersgate
             ,
          
           1657.
           
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           MANY
           STRONG
           REASONS
           CONFOUNDED
           ,
           Which
           would
           hinder
           any
           reasonable
           man
           from
           being
           a
           QUAKER
           ,
           AND
           Offences
           taken
           out
           of
           the
           way
           ,
           
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           HOW
           long
           shall
           it
           be
           ere
           the
           wickednesse
           of
           the
           wicked
           come
           to
           an
           end
           ,
           and
           the
           measure
           of
           this
           generations
           iniquity
           be
           fulfilled
           ,
           who
           rush
           into
           iniquity
           as
           a
           Horse
           into
           the
           battel
           ,
           and
           who
           hastens
           to
           fill
           up
           the
           largest
           measure
           of
           iniquity
           of
           any
           generation
           that
           ever
           went
           before
           ?
           Is
           it
           not
           plain
           and
           manifest
           to
           all
           people
           that
           have
           but
           an
           eye
           to
           see
           ?
           How
           doth
           the
           wicked
           run
           on
           greedily
           ,
           drinking
           up
           iniquity
           as
           an
           Oxe
           drinks
           water
           ?
           How
           doth
           the
           Archers
           of
           
             Babylon
          
           shoot
           at
           the
           innocent
           ,
           and
           makes
           the
           harmless
           their
           prey
           ?
           But
           this
           is
           but
           fot
           a
           moment
           ,
           the
           end
           thereof
           is
           nigh
           ,
           and
           because
           the
           Devils
           time
           is
           but
           short
           ,
           therefore
           he
           is
           come
           down
           in
           rage
           ,
           and
           hath
           filled
           the
           hearts
           of
           many
           people
           with
           raving
           envie
           and
           despite
           against
           the
           Lord
           and
           his
           people
           ,
           whom
           the
           Lord
           is
           a
           gathering
           out
           of
           the
           mouths
           of
           all
           their
           enemies
           ;
           and
           the
           Serpents
           seed
           it
           bruiseth
           the
           heele
           ,
           but
           its
           head
           is
           deadly
           wounded
           by
           the
           seed
           of
           God
           .
        
         
           And
           whereas
           many
           hath
           set
           themselves
           in
           opposition
           against
           the
           Lord
           ,
           and
           their
           work
           is
           become
           a
           stinck
           and
           a
           proverb
           to
           be
           laughed
           at
           in
           generations
           to
           come
           ,
           yet
           must
           not
           the
           wicked
           cease
           their
           wickedness
           til
           their
           measure
           be
           perfectly
           accomplished
           .
           And
           whereas
           
             Richard
             Baxter
             ,
          
           a
           professed
           
             Minister
          
           in
           
             Worcestershire
             ,
          
           known
           to
           many
           by
           his
           fruits
           to
           be
           a
           corrupt
           Tree
           which
           brings
           not
           forth
           good
           fruit
           ,
           who
           sends
           out
           of
           his
           study
           lyes
           and
           false
           reports
           ,
           and
           vain
           arguments
           to
           blind
           the
           eyes
           of
           people
           that
           they
           may
           not
           see
           the
           truth
           ,
           and
           hath
           written
           once
           and
           again
           against
           
           the
           people
           of
           God
           ,
           which
           he
           in
           scorn
           calls
           
             Quakers
             ,
          
           some
           of
           which
           writings
           hath
           been
           sufficiently
           answered
           ,
           and
           his
           shame
           and
           folly
           seen
           openly
           by
           all
           people
           ;
           yet
           he
           (
           as
           a
           man
           not
           weary
           of
           wickednesse
           )
           hath
           sent
           forth
           a
           Paper
           ,
           which
           he
           calls
           ,
           
             A
             Sheet
             against
             the
             Quakers
          
           ;
           wherein
           what
           was
           wanting
           of
           wickednesse
           in
           his
           former
           ,
           is
           now
           fully
           brought
           forth
           out
           of
           his
           vessel
           ,
           (
           a
           malicious
           heart
           )
           which
           cannot
           contain
           within
           it self
           its
           rage
           ,
           and
           fury
           ,
           and
           madness
           against
           the
           innocent
           :
           but
           needs
           must
           his
           folly
           break
           forth
           openly
           ,
           that
           all
           men
           may
           see
           it
           :
           And
           in
           this
           his
           foolish
           paper
           he
           hath
           twenty
           four
           reasons
           ,
           which
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             Moves
             him
             to
             conceive
             that
             no
             Christian
             or
             reasonable
             man
             should
             be
             a
             Quaker
             ,
             or
             approve
             of
             ,
             or
             excuse
             their
             way
             ;
          
           now
           his
           Reasons
           we
           shall
           try
           .
           But
           first
           of
           all
           I
           say
           ,
           It
           had
           been
           more
           honest
           for
           him
           to
           have
           made
           a
           sufficient
           Reply
           to
           have
           defended
           his
           former
           works
           ,
           and
           cleared
           himself
           of
           his
           former
           lyes
           and
           slanders
           truly
           charged
           against
           him
           ,
           then
           to
           have
           past
           that
           slightly
           ,
           and
           begin
           a-new
           to
           revile
           ;
           for
           that
           Book
           which
           he
           often
           mentions
           and
           boasts
           of
           ,
           callled
           ,
           
             The
             Quakers
             Catechism
             ,
          
           was
           sufficiently
           answered
           ,
           and
           his
           folly
           laid
           open
           ,
           by
           a
           friend
           to
           the
           truth
           ,
           in
           a
           Book
           called
           ,
           
             An
             Answer
             to
             the
             Quakers
             Catechism
             ,
          
           to
           which
           Book
           he
           never
           equally
           replyed
           to
           this
           day
           ,
           which
           had
           been
           more
           honest
           to
           have
           cleared
           himself
           from
           what
           is
           truly
           charged
           against
           him
           in
           that
           answer
           ,
           then
           to
           have
           begun
           afresh
           to
           reproach
           and
           speak
           wickednesse
           ;
           and
           this
           all
           people
           may
           consider
           of
           .
        
         
           1.
           
           His
           first
           Reason
           which
           he
           brings
           forth
           against
           the
           
             Quakers
             ,
          
           is
           ,
           
             That
             they
             deny
             and
             revile
             the
             Churches
             and
             Ministers
             of
             Christ
             ;
          
           and
           yet
           saith
           he
           
             cannot
             tel
             indeed
             of
             any
             Church
             or
             Ministry
             which
             is
             to
             be
             preferred
             before
             those
             that
             they
             do
             despise
             .
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           That
           is
           utterly
           false
           ;
           for
           we
           do
           not
           deny
           the
           Church
           and
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ,
           nor
           do
           revile
           them
           ,
           or
           any
           others
           whatsoever
           ,
           but
           speaks
           the
           truth
           in
           nakedness
           to
           all
           people
           :
           The
           Church
           of
           Christ
           we
           own
           ,
           and
           are
           of
           it
           ,
           which
           are
           gathered
           out
           of
           the
           world
           through
           the
           preaching
           of
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           and
           seperated
           from
           the
           world
           and
           all
           its
           works
           and
           wayes
           ,
           which
           are
           evil
           ,
           and
           are
           joined
           to
           Christ
           the
           Head
           ,
           in
           the
           Spirit
           ,
           and
           one
           to
           another
           as
           members
           of
           Christ
           ;
           and
           these
           are
           born
           again
           ,
           and
           are
           redeemed
           out
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           are
           of
           the
           kingdom
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           of
           his
           Church
           ,
           and
           members
           of
           his
           body
           ,
           and
           this
           we
           own
           to
           be
           a
           Church
           ,
           and
           are
           of
           it
           ,
           who
           hath
           no
           fellowship
           with
           darknesse
           ,
           nor
           no
           part
           with
           the
           practice
           of
           the
           workes
           of
           darknesse
           .
           And
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           we
           own
           ,
           who
           have
           received
           the
           gift
           of
           the
           Ministry
           by
           the
           Holy
           Ghost
           ,
           and
           exerciseth
           that
           gift
           by
           the
           Holy
           Ghost
           ,
           whose
           call
           is
           from
           God
           ,
           and
           their
           work
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           their
           end
           alone
           his
           glory
           ,
           such
           we
           own
           to
           be
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           doth
           not
           revile
           or
           deny
           (
           as
           he
           falsly
           saith
           )
           such
           a
           Church
           ,
           and
           such
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ;
           but
           this
           we
           do
           ,
           and
           without
           offence
           to
           God
           too
           ,
           we
           do
           deny
           and
           bear
           our
           witness
           against
           such
           a
           people
           who
           professeth
           themselves
           to
           be
           a
           Church
           ,
           
           and
           yet
           are
           in
           the
           pride
           ,
           in
           the
           wickedness
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           evil
           of
           this
           world
           ,
           and
           not
           redeemed
           ,
           clensed
           ,
           and
           seperated
           from
           the
           works
           and
           iniquities
           thereof
           ,
           such
           we
           do
           reprove
           for
           their
           hypocrisie
           ,
           even
           all
           them
           that
           owns
           a
           title
           to
           a
           Church
           because
           they
           were
           sprinkled
           when
           they
           were
           Infants
           ,
           and
           hath
           not
           another
           ground
           ;
           and
           such
           who
           professeth
           themselves
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ,
           who
           hath
           not
           received
           their
           Ministry
           by
           the
           gift
           of
           the
           Holy
           Ghost
           ,
           neither
           are
           lead
           by
           the
           Spirit
           of
           Christ
           ,
           but
           are
           such
           as
           Christ
           and
           the
           Apostles
           declared
           against
           ,
           such
           we
           cannot
           own
           to
           be
           Ministers
           of
           Jesus
           Christ
           ,
           but
           doth
           reprove
           them
           ,
           and
           deny
           them
           ,
           even
           such
           who
           preacheth
           for
           hire
           ,
           and
           hath
           gifts
           and
           rewardt
           for
           preaching
           ,
           and
           set-places
           for
           so
           much
           a
           yeer
           ,
           these
           we
           disown
           ,
           and
           yet
           doth
           not
           offend
           God
           herein
           :
           And
           this
           in
           honesty
           I
           do
           shew
           to
           all
           people
           what
           that
           professed
           Church
           and
           professed
           Ministry
           is
           which
           we
           do
           deny
           ,
           and
           what
           that
           Church
           and
           Ministry
           is
           which
           we
           do
           set
           up
           to
           be
           preferred
           ,
           which
           is
           a
           right
           Ministry
           ,
           and
           a
           right
           Church
           :
           And
           thus
           his
           reasonless
           reason
           is
           overturned
           and
           confounded
           ,
           and
           is
           found
           to
           be
           no
           sufficient
           reason
           wherefore
           a
           man
           should
           not
           be
           a
           
             Quaker
             .
          
        
         
           2.
           
           His
           second
           reason
           is
           ,
           
             No
             wise
             man
             can
             be
             a
             Quaker
          
           (
           saith
           he
           )
           
             because
             their
             Religion
             is
             an
             uncertain
             thing
             ,
             and
             so
             is
             not
             the
             Religion
             that
             must
             save
             us
             ,
          
           &c.
           
        
         
           I
           answer
           ,
           This
           again
           is
           utterly
           false
           ,
           and
           no
           man
           that
           hath
           Gods
           wisdom
           would
           speak
           it
           ;
           for
           our
           Religion
           which
           we
           professe
           is
           a
           certain
           thing
           ,
           and
           we
           have
           openly
           declared
           it
           once
           and
           again
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           it
           ,
           
             To
             believe
             in
             Christ
             ,
             and
             to
             receive
             Christ
             ,
             and
             to
             be
             lead
             by
             the
             spirit
             of
             Christ
             ,
             and
             caught
             in
             all
             things
             to
             love
             God
             with
             all
             the
             heart
             ,
             and
             a
             mans
             neighbor
             as
             himself
             ,
             and
             through
             the
             power
             of
             Christ
             dwelling
             in
             man
             ,
             to
             do
             all
             good
             ,
             and
             to
             be
             kept
             from
             all
             evil
          
           :
           This
           in
           very
           short
           is
           our
           Religion
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           a
           very
           certain
           and
           established
           Religion
           ,
           and
           this
           Religion
           we
           all
           agree
           in
           :
           And
           this
           in
           short
           is
           the
           substance
           of
           our
           faith
           ,
           
             Even
             Christ
             in
             us
             ,
             believed
             on
             ,
             and
             received
             by
             us
          
           :
           This
           is
           the
           truth
           ,
           and
           his
           lyes
           is
           judged
           ;
           and
           if
           he
           say
           this
           is
           an
           uncertain
           Religion
           ,
           let
           him
           give
           it
           under
           his
           hand
           ,
           and
           subscribe
           to
           it
           ,
           and
           he
           shall
           have
           a
           further
           Reply
           .
        
         
           3.
           
           His
           third
           Reason
           is
           ,
           
             No
             man
             of
             reason
             ●hould
             be
             a
             Quaker
             ,
             considering
             that
             amongst
             those
             scraps
             of
             their
             Religion
             which
             is
             made
             known
             ,
             there
             is
             so
             much
             notorious
             falshood
             and
             ungodlinesse
             ,
          
           saith
           he
           .
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           Let
           all
           Christian
           people
           mark
           this
           his
           Reason
           ,
           they
           are
           even
           lyes
           heaped
           one
           upon
           another
           :
           What
           secret
           slanders
           are
           these
           behinde
           our
           backs
           ,
           who
           never
           would
           clear
           himself
           of
           what
           is
           truly
           charged
           against
           him
           in
           answer
           to
           his
           
             Catechism
          
           ?
           his
           words
           are
           turned
           by
           as
           utter
           lyes
           :
           for
           that
           which
           we
           profess
           and
           practice
           for
           Religion
           ,
           which
           we
           have
           made
           known
           by
           word
           and
           writing
           ,
           is
           ,
           uprightness
           ,
           godliness
           ,
           sincerity
           and
           truth
           ,
           and
           neither
           notorious
           falshood
           ,
           nor
           ungodliness
           ,
           as
           he
           wickedly
           saith
           :
           And
           why
           did
           not
           he
           make
           it
           appear
           what
           this
           notorious
           falshood
           and
           ungodliness
           had
           been
           ?
           that
           had
           been
           more
           honest
           
           then
           to
           cast
           his
           charges
           and
           prove
           nothing
           .
           And
           whereas
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             The
             very
             person
             of
             Christ
             Iesus
             many
             of
             them
             doth
             blaspheme
             ,
          
           &c.
           this
           is
           utterly
           false
           ,
           for
           Jesus
           Christ
           have
           we
           owned
           and
           believed
           in
           onely
           ,
           and
           for
           his
           sake
           we
           do
           ,
           and
           suffer
           hard
           things
           .
        
         
           4.
           
           His
           fourth
           Reason
           is
           ,
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             Because
             their
             false
             pernicious
             Doctrines
             ,
             their
             practical
             Religion
             doth
             much
             consist
             in
             most
             notorious
             wicked
             injujustice
             and
             uncharitableness
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           Here
           is
           lye
           upon
           lye
           uttered
           ,
           and
           wickedness
           joyned
           to
           wickedness
           ,
           and
           drunk
           up
           as
           an
           Oxe
           drinks
           up
           water
           ,
           and
           no
           conscience
           made
           thereof
           by
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           ;
           it
           had
           been
           just
           to
           have
           mentioned
           these
           pernicious
           Doctrines
           ,
           their
           practical
           Religion
           ,
           injustice
           ,
           and
           uncharitableness
           ,
           and
           not
           to
           have
           slandered
           in
           the
           dark
           :
           but
           we
           are
           delivered
           by
           the
           Lord
           from
           all
           pernicious
           Doctrines
           and
           notorious
           wickedness
           whatsoever
           ,
           and
           we
           find
           this
           false
           Reproacher
           guilty
           himself
           and
           his
           people
           ,
           of
           what
           he
           accuseth
           the
           innocent
           :
           And
           so
           his
           words
           are
           〈◊〉
           unto
           himself
           ,
           and
           upon
           his
           own
           head
           I
           turn
           them
           .
        
         
           ●
           ▪
           His
           fifth
           Reason
           is
           ,
           
             The
             worst
             of
             all
             ,
          
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             is
             ,
             That
             they
             behave
             themselves
             like
             malignant
             enemies
             to
             the
             very
             Church
             ,
             and
             Gospel
             ,
             and
             Servants
             of
             Iesus
             Christ
             ,
          
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           This
           man
           speaks
           as
           if
           he
           had
           sold
           himself
           wholly
           to
           lye
           :
           but
           my
           answer
           to
           his
           first
           Reason
           is
           sufficient
           to
           answer
           this
           also
           ,
           and
           doth
           say
           ,
           
             That
             the
             Cause
             ,
             and
             the
             Church
             ,
             and
             the
             Gospel
             and
             Servants
             of
             Iesus
             Christ
             we
             do
             fully
             and
             freely
             own
             ,
             and
             are
             daylie
             exercised
             therein
             as
             the
             very
             Servants
             of
             Iesus
             ,
             and
             are
             friends
             thereof
             in
             our
             hearts
             ,
             and
             doth
             not
             behave
             our selves
             in
             any
             way
             as
             enemies
             thereunto
             :
          
           God
           will
           judge
           every
           lying
           tongue
           ,
           and
           shall
           condemn
           our
           false
           Accusers
           guilty
           of
           that
           which
           they
           charge
           the
           guiltless
           ,
           to
           reprove
           and
           bear
           witness
           against
           the
           wild
           ,
           wicked
           ,
           and
           rude
           conversations
           ,
           and
           against
           such
           as
           have
           gotten
           the
           Saints
           words
           ,
           and
           by
           art
           frame
           an
           hours
           discourse
           thereupon
           for
           so
           much
           a
           Sermon
           ,
           or
           so
           much
           a
           yeer
           ,
           to
           deny
           such
           to
           be
           a
           Church
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ,
           this
           we
           do
           ,
           and
           doth
           not
           behave
           our selves
           like
           enemies
           to
           the
           Church
           ,
           or
           Gospel
           ,
           or
           Ministers
           and
           servants
           of
           Christ
           ,
           as
           our
           Adversary
           wickedly
           saith
           .
        
         
           6.
           
           His
           sixth
           Reason
           ,
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             That
             part
             of
             the
             Quakers
             peculiar
             Religion
             which
             consists
             not
             in
             error
             and
             malignant
             impudency
             ,
             is
             made
             up
             very
             much
             of
             it
             of
             childish
             and
             unreasonable
             foppery
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           As
           I
           have
           said
           ,
           No
           part
           of
           our
           Religion
           consists
           in
           error
           and
           malignant
           impudency
           ,
           and
           as
           for
           that
           which
           he
           calls
           childish
           and
           unreasonable
           foppery
           ,
           we
           stand
           not
           to
           mans
           judgement
           ,
           for
           it
           is
           a
           small
           thing
           with
           us
           for
           to
           be
           judged
           of
           any
           man
           ;
           for
           we
           do
           acknowledge
           that
           we
           are
           become
           fools
           for
           Christs
           sake
           ,
           and
           herein
           we
           have
           cause
           to
           glory
           ,
           though
           he
           upbraid
           us
           with
           it
           ;
           and
           it
           was
           such
           as
           he
           who
           called
           
             Paul
          
           a
           Babler
           ,
           and
           that
           his
           Doctrine
           was
           madness
           ,
           as
           he
           saith
           ours
           in
           foppery
           ;
           and
           let
           him
           know
           ,
           that
           which
           is
           foolishnesse
           with
           man
           ,
           is
           wisdom
           with
           
           God
           ;
           and
           we
           know
           God
           will
           confound
           the
           wisest
           of
           men
           by
           that
           which
           they
           may
           judge
           to
           be
           foolish
           ,
           &
           unreasonable
           ,
           &
           foppery
           ;
           for
           to
           such
           who
           are
           lost
           our
           Gospel
           is
           hid
           ,
           where
           the
           god
           of
           this
           world
           hath
           blinded
           their
           eye
           ,
           as
           it
           is
           plain
           he
           hath
           done
           this
           our
           Adversaries
           ,
           and
           that
           is
           the
           reason
           wherefore
           he
           hath
           sent
           forth
           such
           lying
           Scribbles
           from
           his
           study
           of
           wicked
           inventions
           ;
           and
           let
           him
           make
           the
           best
           use
           of
           his
           wisdom
           he
           can
           ,
           he
           can
           but
           serve
           the
           Devil
           with
           it
           ,
           while
           his
           wisdom
           is
           sensual
           and
           divillish
           :
           And
           let
           him
           leave
           us
           to
           our
           childishnesse
           and
           folly
           ,
           and
           let
           the
           issue
           prove
           whether
           is
           the
           safer
           guide
           .
        
         
           7.
           
           His
           seventh
           Reason
           is
           ,
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             Their
             malignancy
             doth
             blinde
             them
             to
             make
             that
             the
             principal
             cause
             of
             their
             rage
             and
             reviling
             the
             Ministry
             which
             is
             plainly
             agreeable
             to
             the
             will
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             necessary
             to
             the
             Churches
             good
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           This
           is
           false
           also
           ;
           we
           are
           not
           blinded
           ,
           but
           doth
           see
           
             Richard
             Baxter
             ,
          
           and
           all
           such
           ,
           to
           be
           out
           of
           the
           way
           of
           truth
           and
           peace
           :
           And
           as
           for
           
             rage
             ,
             and
             reviling
             against
             the
             Ministers
             ,
          
           that
           is
           false
           also
           ,
           though
           indeed
           we
           do
           openly
           reprove
           deceivers
           ;
           and
           we
           know
           it
           is
           not
           agreeable
           to
           the
           will
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           necessary
           to
           the
           Churches
           good
           ,
           though
           he
           saith
           it
           is
           ,
           for
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           to
           take
           tythes
           ,
           or
           to
           have
           a
           〈◊〉
           ●●intenance
           ;
           for
           never
           none
           of
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           that
           we
           read
           of
           in
           Scripture
           ,
           either
           took
           tythes
           to
           maintain
           them
           ,
           or
           had
           a
           set-maintenance
           ;
           but
           all
           that
           Christ
           allows
           to
           his
           Ministers
           ,
           is
           to
           eat
           such
           things
           as
           were
           set
           before
           them
           .
           And
           in
           that
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             We
             liken
             them
             to
             covetous
             Priests
             among
             the
             Iews
             ,
          
           that
           is
           true
           ;
           to
           whom
           should
           we
           liken
           them
           but
           to
           them
           that
           practised
           the
           same
           things
           as
           they
           do
           ?
           And
           I
           am
           sure
           there
           never
           was
           priests
           in
           any
           generation
           that
           were
           more
           covetous
           then
           these
           of
           
             England
          
           are
           ,
           as
           in
           many
           particulars
           might
           be
           shewed
           ▪
           for
           as
           the
           false
           prophets
           in
           
             Israel
          
           did
           ,
           so
           do
           these
           in
           many
           things
           ;
           and
           what
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           did
           ,
           these
           do
           not
           :
           And
           whereas
           he
           pleads
           for
           tythes
           ,
           never
           Minister
           of
           Christ
           did
           in
           the
           Gospel-administration
           claim
           the
           tenth
           of
           peoples
           labours
           ,
           nor
           none
           of
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           were
           maintained
           by
           tythes
           ,
           but
           lived
           of
           the
           Gospel
           which
           they
           preached
           ,
           which
           livelyhood
           was
           not
           great
           sums
           of
           money
           ,
           and
           compelling
           some
           of
           it
           too
           from
           the
           people
           by
           a
           Law
           ;
           but
           the
           Churches
           ministered
           to
           the
           Apostles
           necessities
           ,
           whom
           the
           Apostles
           had
           begotten
           to
           the
           faith
           ,
           and
           planted
           them
           as
           a
           Vinyard
           ,
           and
           kept
           them
           as
           a
           Flock
           :
           But
           the
           maintenance
           of
           the
           Priests
           of
           
             England
          
           is
           another
           case
           ,
           they
           must
           have
           so
           much
           a
           yeer
           ,
           and
           people
           is
           bound
           to
           pay
           them
           ,
           and
           sometimes
           so
           much
           a
           Sermon
           ;
           and
           they
           maintain
           themselves
           in
           idlenesse
           ,
           and
           fulnesse
           ,
           and
           pride
           ,
           and
           spend
           the
           Creation
           more
           then
           upon
           their
           necessities
           :
           But
           he
           saith
           concerning
           tythes
           ,
           That
           tythes
           are
           the
           
             Churches
             ,
             and
             not
             the
             peoples
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             Law
             of
             the
             Land
             too
             .
          
           What
           the
           Law
           of
           the
           Land
           requires
           ,
           which
           is
           just
           ,
           we
           do
           own
           ,
           and
           do
           not
           resist
           it
           ,
           but
           obey
           it
           ;
           but
           what
           the
           Law
           of
           the
           Land
           commands
           ,
           which
           is
           contrary
           to
           the
           Law
           of
           God
           ,
           as
           the
           Law
           
           is
           which
           commands
           to
           pay
           tythes
           ;
           we
           cannot
           be
           obedient
           to
           it
           ;
           for
           we
           read
           in
           the
           
             Hebrews
             ,
          
           that
           Law
           which
           commanded
           to
           pay
           tythes
           ,
           &
           take
           tythes
           in
           the
           old
           Covenant
           ,
           is
           put
           to
           an
           end
           ,
           and
           Christ
           the
           second
           Priesthood
           established
           ,
           and
           the
           priesthood
           being
           changed
           ,
           there
           was
           a
           necessity
           of
           change
           of
           the
           Law
           also
           which
           upheld
           the
           priesthood
           :
           Then
           whence
           is
           that
           Law
           of
           the
           Land
           which
           commands
           tythes
           of
           God
           ,
           or
           ootherwise
           ?
           judge
           ye
           ,
           seeing
           the
           Scripture
           saith
           ,
           
             The
             Commandment
             going
             before
             (
             viz.
          
           that
           gave
           tythes
           )
           
             is
             disannulled
             .
          
        
         
           8.
           
           His
           eighth
           Reason
           ,
           
             The
             Quakers
             way
             is
             too
             cruel
             and
             uncharitable
             to
             be
             the
             way
             of
             God
             ,
             they
             damn
          
           (
           saith
           he
           )
           
             the
             most
             humble
             ,
             holy
             ,
             faithful
             servants
             of
             God
             ,
             to
             whom
             God
             hath
             promised
             life
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           This
           is
           not
           the
           least
           of
           his
           lyes
           ,
           our
           way
           is
           Christ
           ,
           and
           is
           neither
           cruel
           nor
           uncharitable
           ,
           but
           pure
           ,
           and
           holy
           ,
           and
           zealous
           against
           all
           sin
           ,
           and
           cannot
           bear
           and
           suffer
           iniquity
           ,
           but
           reproves
           it
           ;
           neither
           do
           we
           damn
           any
           ,
           but
           warns
           all
           to
           repent
           ,
           to
           be
           humble
           and
           lowly
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           have
           the
           promise
           of
           life
           ;
           and
           we
           sharply
           reprove
           sin
           ,
           and
           deceivers
           ,
           and
           deceit
           ,
           and
           this
           makes
           the
           men
           of
           this
           generation
           mad
           ,
           and
           calls
           it
           cruel
           and
           uncharitable
           ,
           whenas
           we
           do
           but
           warn
           them
           of
           their
           sins
           ▪
           shewing
           them
           if
           they
           live
           in
           sin
           they
           perish
           ,
           and
           if
           they
           repent
           and
           turn
           to
           God
           ,
           they
           shall
           be
           saved
           ;
           and
           God
           hath
           given
           us
           the
           spirit
           of
           discerning
           ,
           and
           by
           their
           fruits
           we
           do
           know
           a
           child
           of
           God
           from
           a
           child
           of
           the
           devil
           ,
           and
           herein
           do
           establish
           the
           Gospel
           ,
           and
           not
           
             repeal
             it
             ,
          
           though
           he
           falsly
           saith
           so
           ;
           neither
           do
           we
           condem
           any
           who
           fear
           the
           Lord
           ,
           in
           any
           thing
           they
           do
           ,
           or
           speake
           in
           his
           fear
           ,
           but
           with
           such
           we
           have
           unity
           ,
           who
           walks
           in
           uprightness
           in
           the
           midst
           of
           a
           malicious
           world
           ,
           and
           perverse
           generation
           ,
           as
           this
           is
           .
        
         
           9.
           
           His
           nineth
           Reason
           ,
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             After
             all
             their
             sins
             they
             most
             impudently
             〈◊〉
             a
             sinlesse
             perfection
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           What
           such
           as
           are
           in
           darknesse
           doth
           conceive
           of
           us
           ,
           and
           so
           utters
           ,
           it
           matters
           not
           ;
           but
           many
           of
           us
           do
           witnesse
           that
           Christ
           hath
           done
           away
           our
           sins
           ,
           and
           in
           him
           we
           are
           compleat
           through
           faith
           ,
           in
           which
           we
           are
           perfect
           without
           sin
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           not
           of
           our selves
           ;
           and
           that
           perfection
           we
           exhort
           all
           to
           presse
           after
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           be
           perfect
           in
           Christ
           Jesus
           without
           sin
           ▪
           And
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             They
             themselves
             desire
             a
             sinlesse
             perfection
             ,
          
           and
           〈◊〉
           it
           is
           their
           command
           and
           duty
           ,
           and
           yet
           saith
           it
           is
           an
           impudent
           〈◊〉
           in
           us
           to
           professe
           that
           which
           himself
           confesseth
           they
           desire
           ,
           and
           is
           their
           command
           and
           duty
           ;
           and
           this
           is
           great
           confusion
           ,
           and
           comes
           out
           of
           
             Babylons
          
           store
           :
           And
           though
           he
           would
           falsly
           suppose
           that
           the
           Quakers
           suppose
           to
           have
           no
           need
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             They
             dare
             (
             it
             seems
             )
             say
             they
             will
             not
             be
             beholding
             to
             God
             ,
             or
             to
             the
             blood
             of
             Christ
             for
             the
             pardon
             of
             sin
          
           ;
           but
           these
           are
           his
           foolish
           imaginations
           ,
           for
           we
           are
           beholding
           to
           Christ
           ,
           and
           to
           his
           blood
           onely
           ,
           which
           hath
           clensed
           us
           from
           all
           sin
           ,
           and
           by
           it
           our
           sins
           and
           trespasses
           are
           blotted
           out
           ,
           and
           forgiven
           :
           And
           we
           do
           not
           think
           highly
           of
           our selves
           ,
           though
           he
           impudently
           chargeth
           it
           upon
           us
           ,
           and
           
           hath
           bent
           his
           tongue
           for
           lyes
           ,
           and
           made
           them
           his
           refuge
           and
           strong
           Reasons
           .
        
         
           10.
           
           His
           tenth
           Reason
           ,
           
             That
             we
             do
             in
             many
             Doctrines
             so
             openly
             comply
             with
             the
             Papist
             ,
             that
             people
             may
             see
             plainly
             that
             the
             Iesuits
             and
             Fryars
             are
             our
             Leaders
          
           ;
           and
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             this
             hath
             been
             proved
             by
             many
             Confessions
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           The
           Papist
           we
           utterly
           deny
           ,
           their
           Doctrines
           ,
           their
           wayes
           ,
           and
           whatsoever
           savours
           of
           popery
           ,
           and
           are
           not
           lead
           by
           any
           other
           but
           by
           Jesus
           Christ
           ,
           as
           our
           lives
           and
           Doctrines
           doth
           make
           appear
           to
           all
           that
           have
           an
           eye
           to
           see
           ;
           it
           's
           true
           we
           may
           be
           falsly
           slandered
           and
           accused
           by
           
             Richard
             Baxter
             ,
          
           and
           by
           the
           Priests
           and
           the
           wicked
           people
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           for
           it
           is
           enough
           for
           us
           to
           be
           as
           our
           Master
           Christ
           ,
           who
           was
           called
           a
           Devil
           ;
           and
           as
           was
           he
           ,
           so
           are
           we
           slandered
           and
           accused
           in
           this
           and
           many
           other
           things
           :
           But
           that
           ever
           it
           was
           proved
           that
           we
           are
           led
           by
           Jesuits
           and
           Fryars
           ,
           this
           is
           one
           of
           our
           Adversaries
           slanders
           he
           hath
           once
           and
           again
           accused
           us
           ,
           but
           he
           never
           proved
           it
           ,
           though
           now
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             The
             Papists
             make
             the
             Scriptures
             a
             dead
             Letter
             ,
             and
             no
             Rule
             of
             faith
             ,
             and
             so
             do
             we
             :
             The
             Papist
             cryes
             down
             our
             Church
             and
             Ministers
             ,
          
           (
           saith
           he
           )
           
             The
             Iesuites
             cryes
             up
             free-will
             and
             sufficient
             grace
             to
             all
             ,
             and
             a
             common
             sufficient
             light
             to
             all
             ,
             and
             so
             do
             we
          
           (
           saith
           he
           :
           )
           
             The
             Papist
             extenuate
             imputed
             righteousnesse
             in
             setting
             up
             inherent
             righteousnesse
             :
             and
             the
             Papist
             place
             most
             in
             external
             abstenances
             and
             observances
             ,
             and
             so
             do
             we
             ,
          
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             &c.
             
          
           To
           all
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           What
           is
           truth
           we
           hold
           and
           maintain
           in
           the
           power
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           may
           not
           deny
           it
           ,
           though
           the
           Papists
           may
           hold
           the
           same
           in
           words
           ,
           which
           seldom
           they
           do
           ;
           for
           we
           hold
           the
           truth
           for
           the
           truths
           sake
           ,
           and
           dare
           not
           deny
           the
           truth
           ,
           though
           the
           devil
           confesse
           it
           in
           words
           ;
           but
           he
           hath
           falsly
           compared
           us
           with
           the
           Papists
           and
           Jesuites
           ,
           for
           we
           do
           not
           hold
           free-will
           in
           the
           creature
           ,
           neither
           do
           we
           extenuate
           imputed
           righteousnesse
           ,
           neither
           do
           we
           place
           most
           in
           external
           abstenances
           and
           observances
           ,
           herein
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           hath
           belyed
           us
           :
           But
           what
           if
           I
           should
           measure
           him
           by
           his
           own
           rule
           ,
           and
           should
           say
           that
           the
           Jesuites
           and
           Fryars
           are
           his
           Leaders
           ?
           Why
           ,
           because
           the
           papists
           say
           Christ
           was
           born
           of
           
             Mary
             ,
          
           and
           did
           many
           miracles
           ,
           &
           dyed
           ,
           being
           crucified
           of
           the
           Jews
           ,
           &
           was
           buryed
           ,
           and
           rose
           again
           ,
           and
           so
           doth
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           say
           ,
           and
           all
           the
           
             Presbyterians
          
           in
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           therefore
           may
           we
           conjecture
           ,
           they
           
             do
             but
             prepare
             people
             to
             be
             papists
             ,
             or
             open
             Infidels
             ,
          
           as
           he
           saith
           concerning
           us
           .
           But
           further
           ,
           the
           papists
           say
           that
           sprinkling
           Infants
           is
           baptizing
           into
           the
           faith
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           they
           say
           none
           must
           be
           free
           from
           sin
           while
           they
           are
           upon
           earth
           ,
           and
           they
           cry
           against
           heresie
           and
           error
           ,
           and
           thus
           doth
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           and
           his
           company
           ,
           and
           therefore
           by
           his
           own
           Arguments
           he
           may
           be
           judged
           that
           the
           Jesuites
           and
           Fryars
           are
           his
           Leaders
           ,
           and
           that
           he
           prepares
           people
           to
           be
           papists
           ;
           but
           I
           will
           not
           be
           so
           uncharitable
           to
           judge
           him
           〈◊〉
           by
           this
           rule
           ,
           as
           he
           hath
           falsly
           done
           us
           ,
           though
           I
           do
           know
           in
           the
           sight
           of
           God
           there
           is
           a
           greater
           concurrence
           in
           Doctrine
           ,
           and
           practice
           ,
           and
           conversation
           ,
           between
           many
           of
           our
           Accusers
           and
           the
           
             Papists
             ,
          
           then
           there
           is
           between
           the
           
             Papists
          
           and
           us
           ,
           and
           the
           
           light
           of
           Christ
           in
           all
           consciences
           shall
           answer
           me
           in
           the
           day
           of
           Gods
           righteous
           judgements
           ,
           and
           the
           papists
           and
           him
           we
           do
           deny
           ,
           and
           see
           them
           to
           be
           of
           one
           spirit
           ,
           though
           differing
           in
           appearances
           ;
           and
           what
           we
           are
           it
           is
           by
           grace
           ,
           and
           not
           of
           our selves
           ;
           and
           what
           we
           do
           it
           is
           through
           Christ
           ,
           and
           not
           by
           our selves
           ,
           and
           to
           God
           we
           appeal
           for
           judgement
           ,
           and
           tramples
           upon
           all
           mens
           vain
           conceivings
           ,
           false
           judgements
           ,
           lyes
           and
           slanders
           ,
           and
           turns
           them
           back
           to
           them
           again
           where
           they
           were
           hatched
           .
        
         
           11.
           
           His
           eleventh
           Reason
           :
           He
           saith
           ,
           
             Our
             Doctrines
             are
             self-contradictory
             ,
             and
             therefore
             they
             cannot
             be
             of
             God
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           This
           is
           false
           ,
           our
           Doctrines
           do
           agree
           in
           one
           ,
           and
           are
           not self-contradictory
           ,
           though
           falsly
           he
           may
           judge
           of
           this
           ,
           as
           he
           may
           judge
           of
           other
           things
           ;
           if
           he
           had
           been
           in
           Christs
           time
           ,
           likely
           he
           would
           have
           judged
           his
           words
           self-contradictory
           ,
           who
           said
           ,
           
             Except
             you
             eat
             my
             flesh
             ,
             and
             drink
             my
             blood
             ,
             you
             have
             no
             life
             in
             you
          
           ;
           and
           yet
           at
           the
           same
           instant
           of
           time
           said
           ,
           
             The
             flesh
             profiteth
             nothing
          
           ;
           with
           many
           other
           such
           instances
           as
           might
           be
           brought
           .
           Why
           ,
           but
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           tells
           you
           ,
           
             We
             say
             all
             men
             have
             a
             sufficient
             light
             within
             them
             ,
             and
             goes
             up
             and
             down
             ,
             preaching
             it
             with
             great
             zeal
             .
          
           This
           is
           no
           more
           than
           the
           Apostle
           
             Iohn
          
           did
           ,
           who
           told
           the
           Saints
           they
           needed
           no
           man
           to
           teach
           them
           ,
           but
           as
           the
           Anointing
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           yet
           preached
           unto
           them
           ,
           and
           wrote
           Epistles
           to
           them
           ,
           but
           did
           
             Iohn
          
           contradict
           himself
           ?
           let
           wise
           men
           judge
           .
           And
           
             Iohn
          
           said
           
             Christ
             lighteth
             every
             man
             that
             comes
             into
             the
             world
             with
             the
             true
             light
          
           ;
           and
           no
           more
           then
           he
           did
           ,
           do
           we
           contradict
           our seves
           herein
           ,
           for
           we
           follow
           the
           same
           example
           ,
           &
           we
           say
           the
           Saints
           have
           the
           Annointing
           in
           them
           ,
           and
           needs
           no
           man
           to
           teach
           them
           ,
           and
           yet
           we
           do
           exhort
           them
           as
           the
           Apostle
           
             Iohn
          
           did
           .
           And
           he
           asks
           ,
           what
           do
           we
           preach
           ,
           
             If
             darknesse
             ,
             who
             would
             have
             such
             Teachers
             ?
             if
             light
             ,
             what
             needlesse
             labour
             is
             this
             ,
             when
             all
             men
             have
             sufficient
             light
             already
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           To
           all
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           We
           preach
           light
           that
           all
           should
           believe
           in
           it
           ,
           and
           thereby
           should
           be
           lead
           out
           of
           darknesse
           ,
           and
           the
           light
           is
           sufficient
           ,
           being
           believed
           in
           by
           the
           creature
           ,
           but
           all
           are
           not
           lead
           by
           it
           sufficiently
           ,
           neither
           doth
           receive
           Christ
           :
           And
           we
           may
           ask
           him
           now
           ,
           and
           say
           ,
           
             If
             he
             preach
             darknesse
          
           (
           as
           it
           is
           likely
           he
           doth
           ,
           rather
           then
           the
           light
           ,
           because
           he
           smites
           at
           preaching
           the
           light
           that
           hath
           lighted
           every
           man
           that
           cometh
           into
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           so
           in
           effect
           denies
           the
           Lord
           that
           bought
           him
           )
           
             then
             who
             would
             have
             such
             a
             Preacher
             ?
             but
             if
             he
             preach
             the
             light
             ,
             and
             not
             that
             light
             which
             doth
             enlighten
             every
             one
             that
             cometh
             into
             the
             world
             ,
             which
             is
             Christ
             ,
             and
             is
             sufficient
             ,
          
           (
           as
           it
           seems
           by
           his
           own
           words
           he
           doth
           not
           ,
           because
           he
           condemns
           us
           for
           it
           )
           
             then
             is
             he
             a
             Minister
             of
             Antichrist
             ,
             according
             to
             his
             own
             confession
             .
          
           But
           whatever
           he
           judge
           ,
           we
           are
           sent
           to
           
             turn
             people
             from
             darknesse
             to
             light
             ,
             and
             from
             the
             power
             of
             Satan
             to
             the
             power
             of
             God
          
           ;
           and
           herein
           we
           do
           as
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           did
           ;
           but
           that
           wee
           revile
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           as
           blind
           guides
           ,
           as
           saith
           he
           ,
           this
           is
           false
           again
           ,
           but
           such
           we
           bear
           witnesse
           against
           who
           preacheth
           for
           hire
           ,
           and
           oppresseth
           
           the
           Common-wealth
           ,
           and
           are
           in
           the
           steps
           of
           the
           proud
           
             Pharisees
             ,
          
           and
           all
           people
           that
           follows
           them
           are
           in
           darknesse
           as
           the
           
             Pharisees
          
           were
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           way
           of
           damnation
           ,
           because
           they
           are
           not
           in
           the
           truth
           who
           follows
           not
           Christ
           ,
           and
           yet
           such
           people
           are
           lightened
           with
           the
           light
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           that
           is
           their
           condemnation
           because
           they
           believe
           not
           in
           it
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           sufficient
           to
           the
           condemnation
           of
           all
           such
           .
        
         
           12.
           
           His
           twelfth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             Consider
             also
             how
             sutable
             their
             Doctrine
             is
             to
             the
             interest
             and
             pleasure
             both
             of
             the
             Papist
             and
             the
             Devil
             ,
             why
             ,
          
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             they
             damn
             all
             the
             Ministers
             and
             Churches
             of
             CHRIST
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           A
           lying
           tongue
           is
           but
           for
           a
           moment
           ;
           though
           he
           makes
           lyes
           his
           refuge
           ,
           yet
           shall
           they
           be
           swept
           away
           .
           Of
           the
           Ministers
           and
           Churches
           of
           Christ
           are
           we
           ,
           and
           such
           as
           are
           so
           ,
           they
           we
           own
           ,
           and
           are
           one
           with
           them
           ,
           though
           this
           man
           saith
           otherwise
           ;
           and
           it
           doth
           little
           appear
           that
           our
           Doctrine
           is
           sutable
           to
           the
           interest
           and
           pleasure
           of
           the
           papists
           ,
           for
           we
           finde
           them
           our
           enemies
           ,
           and
           Gods
           enemies
           ,
           and
           bears
           our
           witnesse
           against
           them
           ,
           as
           against
           the
           devil
           ,
           and
           do
           say
           that
           they
           are
           his
           off-spring
           ,
           and
           that
           the
           Priests
           of
           
             England
          
           are
           their
           off-spring
           ,
           such
           as
           are
           open
           lyars
           especially
           :
           But
           if
           we
           should
           reckon
           ,
           we
           should
           find
           their
           Doctrine
           more
           agreeable
           to
           the
           papists
           in
           many
           things
           ,
           then
           ours
           are
           ,
           as
           I
           have
           instanced
           concerning
           sprinkling
           of
           Infants
           ,
           and
           other
           things
           ;
           but
           doth
           it
           follow
           that
           the
           papists
           and
           we
           agree
           because
           the
           papists
           declare
           against
           them
           out
           of
           cruelty
           and
           wickednesse
           ,
           and
           out
           of
           a
           murderous
           mind
           to
           divert
           people
           into
           idolatry
           and
           wicked
           superstition
           ;
           and
           we
           declare
           against
           them
           out
           of
           love
           to
           peoples
           souls
           ,
           that
           they
           should
           not
           alwayes
           be
           deceived
           ,
           and
           alwayes
           learning
           ,
           and
           never
           able
           to
           come
           to
           the
           knowledge
           of
           the
           truth
           ;
           and
           hath
           no
           other
           end
           to
           ourselves
           ,
           God
           is
           our
           witnesse
           ,
           but
           that
           people
           may
           be
           converted
           to
           the
           knowledge
           of
           God
           ;
           &
           as
           I
           said
           before
           ,
           though
           the
           
             papists
          
           may
           hold
           some
           truth
           in
           words
           ,
           and
           cry
           against
           some
           sort
           of
           people
           out
           of
           a
           wicked
           end
           ,
           yet
           may
           not
           we
           therefore
           deny
           the
           truth
           as
           it
           is
           in
           Jesus
           ,
           neither
           must
           be
           silent
           in
           declaring
           against
           sin
           and
           wickednesse
           ;
           and
           let
           him
           say
           what
           he
           will
           concerning
           any
           advantage
           the
           Devil
           reaps
           by
           us
           ,
           it
           will
           but
           be
           the
           overthrow
           of
           his
           very
           kingdom
           :
           Why
           ,
           but
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             If
             we
             do
             but
             unchurch
             all
             the
             reformed
             Churches
             ,
             the
             Papists
             will
             give
             us
             a
             fee
          
           :
           I
           say
           ,
           it
           is
           a
           hard
           thing
           to
           unchurch
           them
           that
           never
           were
           truly
           churched
           ;
           and
           that
           we
           seeke
           to
           unchurch
           such
           as
           are
           the
           Churches
           of
           Christ
           ,
           this
           is
           utterly
           false
           ,
           and
           the
           papists
           fee
           and
           his
           reproach
           ,
           we
           trample
           upon
           them
           both
           together
           ;
           and
           let
           him
           take
           the
           papists
           fee
           ,
           as
           he
           pleads
           for
           it
           ,
           for
           it
           was
           they
           first
           that
           took
           tythes
           for
           a
           see
           ,
           and
           it
           is
           he
           now
           that
           strongly
           pleads
           for
           them
           ,
           to
           be
           maintained
           in
           his
           Ministry
           by
           them
           .
        
         
           13.
           
           His
           thirteenth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             The
             Doctrine
             and
             practice
             of
             the
             Quakers
             is
             contrary
             to
             the
             experience
             and
             holy
             nature
             of
             the
             Saints
             ;
             why
             ,
          
           saith
           
           he
           ,
           
             they
             have
             found
             a
             renewed
             light
             and
             life
             by
             the
             Scriptures
             and
             Ministry
             which
             the
             Quakers
             make
             so
             light
             of
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           This
           is
           as
           false
           as
           the
           rest
           ,
           for
           with
           all
           the
           Saints
           that
           ever
           was
           upon
           earth
           ,
           both
           in
           doctrine
           and
           practice
           we
           agree
           with
           them
           ;
           and
           as
           for
           the
           peoples
           sakes
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           I
           wish
           his
           words
           were
           true
           ,
           and
           that
           they
           had
           indeed
           found
           a
           renewing
           light
           and
           life
           by
           this
           Ministry
           ;
           but
           though
           he
           may
           boast
           of
           it
           now
           ,
           in
           the
           day
           of
           Gods
           righteous
           judgements
           it
           shall
           be
           found
           otherwise
           ,
           when
           it
           shall
           be
           tryed
           ,
           that
           the
           renewing
           hath
           been
           but
           in
           form
           and
           appearance
           ,
           from
           one
           likenesse
           to
           another
           ,
           and
           not
           a
           renewing
           from
           death
           to
           life
           ;
           and
           though
           there
           hath
           been
           something
           of
           God
           sometime
           appearing
           ,
           a
           zeal
           and
           a
           desire
           after
           him
           in
           the
           Ministry
           of
           
             England
          
           in
           times
           past
           ,
           yet
           from
           this
           day
           hath
           the
           Lord
           forsaken
           them
           ,
           and
           such
           as
           were
           sober
           and
           sincere
           in
           what
           was
           made
           manifest
           ,
           are
           now
           become
           revilers
           and
           reproachers
           ,
           slanderers
           and
           persecutors
           of
           the
           people
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           from
           henceforth
           shall
           they
           not
           boast
           of
           many
           being
           converted
           by
           them
           from
           sin
           unto
           the
           way
           of
           righteousnesse
           .
           But
           further
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             We
             tell
             the
             people
             that
             their
             Ministry
             doth
             the
             people
             no
             good
             ,
             and
             none
             are
             the
             better
             for
             it
          
           :
           If
           we
           do
           ,
           we
           tell
           them
           true
           :
           And
           though
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             The
             experiences
             of
             many
             thousands
             doth
             confute
             this
             ,
          
           yet
           say
           I
           ,
           the
           experiences
           of
           ten
           thousand
           times
           so
           many
           more
           shall
           confirm
           it
           :
           It
           is
           true
           ,
           there
           may
           be
           thousands
           like
           himself
           which
           will
           not
           stumble
           to
           belye
           their
           own
           souls
           ,
           as
           he
           hath
           done
           of
           us
           ;
           yet
           betwixt
           him
           and
           I
           in
           this
           matter
           God
           shall
           be
           our
           Judge
           ,
           who
           hath
           not
           sent
           this
           Ministry
           ,
           and
           yet
           it
           hath
           run
           ,
           therefore
           it
           doth
           not
           ,
           nor
           shall
           not
           profit
           the
           people
           at
           all
           :
           He
           saith
           ,
           
             It
             is
             quite
             contrary
             to
             the
             nature
             of
             Saints
             to
             damn
             and
             reproach
             the
             Saints
             ,
             and
             call
             them
             the
             children
             of
             the
             Devil
          
           :
           This
           is
           true
           ;
           but
           it
           is
           not
           contrary
           to
           the
           nature
           of
           the
           Saints
           to
           reprove
           Hypocrites
           ,
           such
           as
           professe
           that
           which
           they
           do
           not
           enjoy
           ,
           and
           speak
           that
           which
           they
           have
           not
           received
           from
           the
           Lord
           ,
           but
           steal
           from
           other
           mens
           words
           ,
           such
           are
           many
           of
           the
           
             Teachers
          
           of
           
             England
          
           ;
           and
           it
           was
           the
           way
           of
           Christ
           and
           his
           Apostles
           soundly
           to
           reprove
           such
           :
           And
           this
           is
           our
           way
           ,
           and
           we
           do
           not
           reproach
           the
           Saints
           ,
           nor
           damn
           them
           ,
           and
           yet
           to
           the
           wicked
           ,
           which
           are
           not
           Saints
           ,
           we
           dare
           not
           cry
           peace
           ,
           but
           do
           say
           ,
           
             The
             wicked
             ,
             and
             such
             who
             forget
             God
             ,
             shall
             be
             turned
             into
             Hell
          
           :
           And
           for
           this
           ,
           
             David
          
           is
           our
           example
           .
        
         
           14.
           
           His
           fourteenth
           Reason
           :
           He
           saith
           ,
           
             The
             Quakers
             are
             unlikely
             to
             be
             better
             then
             other
             men
             seeing
             they
             are
             so
             notoriously
             proud
          
           ;
           and
           thus
           this
           pride
           doth
           appeare
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             It
             is
             the
             supposed
             spirit
             as
             God
             ,
             and
             the
             extraordinary
             holiness
             ,
             and
             inspiration
             ,
             and
             abilities
             ,
             that
             they
             are
             proud
             of
             ,
          
           and
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             They
             proclaim
             themselves
             perfect
             without
             sin
             .
             And
             this
             is
             the
             pride
             he
             chargeth
             us
             with
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           To
           which
           I
           answer
           ,
           We
           say
           that
           in
           Christ
           we
           are
           compleat
           ,
           as
           the
           Apostles
           said
           to
           the
           Churches
           ,
           and
           do
           not
           boast
           of
           it
           ,
           neither
           are
           proud
           of
           it
           more
           then
           the
           Churches
           were
           ,
           
             but
             in
             the
             Lord
             we
             will
             golry
             ,
             and
             in
             him
             rejoice
             
             again
             and
             again
          
           ;
           and
           it
           is
           that
           which
           we
           presse
           after
           ,
           and
           exhort
           all
           to
           presse
           after
           ,
           
             to
             be
             perfect
             in
             him
             who
             takes
             away
             our
             sins
             ,
             and
             gives
             power
             over
             the
             temptations
             of
             the
             Devil
             .
          
           And
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             We
             pretend
             to
             know
             mens
             hearts
          
           :
           Yea
           ,
           we
           do
           know
           
             that
             the
             heart
             of
             man
             is
             desparately
             wicked
             and
             deceitful
             above
             all
             things
          
           ;
           and
           by
           mens
           words
           and
           works
           ,
           we
           do
           know
           their
           hearts
           to
           be
           evil
           that
           acts
           and
           speakes
           wickednesse
           ,
           
             For
             out
             of
             the
             abundance
             of
             the
             heart
             the
             mouth
             speaketh
             :
          
           And
           if
           we
           should
           say
           we
           do
           not
           know
           mens
           hearts
           that
           acts
           and
           speaks
           wickednesse
           ,
           we
           should
           be
           lyars
           :
           but
           as
           I
           said
           ,
           
             What
             we
             are
             it
             is
             by
             grace
             in
             Christ
             ,
             and
             we
             boast
             not
             of
             it
             in
             the
             flesh
             ,
             but
             our
             glorying
             is
             onely
             in
             the
             Lord
             in
             spirit
             ,
             that
             our
             names
             are
             written
             in
             the
             Book
             of
             life
             .
          
           And
           as
           for
           our
           crying
           against
           deceivers
           ,
           which
           he
           so
           much
           stumbles
           at
           ,
           it
           is
           but
           the
           practice
           of
           Christ
           and
           his
           Apostles
           ,
           as
           may
           be
           read
           thorow
           the
           Scriptures
           ,
           and
           yet
           we
           do
           it
           not
           ,
           no
           more
           then
           they
           did
           in
           
             self-exaltation
             ,
          
           though
           he
           would
           charge
           us
           with
           it
           .
        
         
           15.
           
           His
           fifteenth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             They
             plainly
             discover
             a
             persecuting
             spirit
             :
             Why
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             what
             man
             can
             in
             reason
             think
             but
             that
             they
             run
             up
             and
             down
             the
             world
             to
             bring
             Ministry
             into
             hatred
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           Little
           of
           this
           doth
           appear
           that
           our
           spirits
           are
           persecuting
           spirits
           ,
           for
           we
           pray
           for
           our
           enemies
           ,
           and
           doth
           forgive
           them
           that
           doth
           evil
           intreat
           us
           ,
           and
           renders
           to
           no
           man
           evil
           for
           evil
           ;
           for
           if
           we
           had
           sought
           vengeance
           ,
           or
           prosecuted
           the
           good
           Laws
           of
           
             England
          
           against
           those
           that
           had
           wronged
           and
           robbed
           us
           ,
           and
           unjustly
           caused
           us
           to
           be
           put
           in
           prison
           ,
           many
           might
           have
           deeply
           suffered
           by
           true
           Justice
           before
           this
           day
           ,
           if
           we
           had
           not
           forgiven
           our
           enemies
           ,
           and
           blessed
           them
           that
           hated
           us
           :
           Such
           hath
           been
           the
           cruelty
           acted
           upon
           us
           ,
           that
           many
           might
           have
           been
           arraigned
           for
           felony
           if
           we
           had
           sought
           the
           prosecution
           of
           the
           good
           Laws
           and
           not
           forgiven
           our
           enemies
           .
        
         
           Why
           ,
           but
           the
           main
           thing
           is
           ,
           
             because
             we
             are
             moved
             to
             go
             up
             and
             down
             the
             world
             and
             declare
             against
             the
             false
             Ministers
             ,
             and
             holding
             forth
             that
             Ministry
             ,
             and
             truly
             applying
             it
             to
             many
             of
             the
             Teachers
             of
             England
             :
          
           But
           let
           all
           the
           world
           know
           ,
           this
           is
           not
           from
           a
           persecuting
           spirit
           ,
           no
           more
           then
           
             Isaiah
          
           did
           it
           ,
           and
           
             Micha
             ,
          
           and
           the
           rest
           of
           the
           Prophets
           and
           Apostles
           ,
           who
           did
           zealously
           give
           their
           testimony
           against
           such
           as
           went
           for
           gifts
           and
           rewards
           ,
           as
           the
           Teachers
           of
           
             England
          
           do
           ;
           but
           this
           is
           that
           which
           he
           is
           offended
           at
           ,
           and
           calls
           it
           
             a
             persecuting
             spirit
             ,
          
           which
           is
           not
           so
           ,
           but
           in
           love
           to
           peoples
           souls
           ,
           that
           they
           may
           deny
           the
           evil
           ,
           and
           follow
           the
           good
           :
           And
           
             that
             our
             Ancestors
             have
             persecuted
             to
             death
             ,
          
           as
           he
           saith
           ,
           This
           is
           also
           a
           lye
           ,
           and
           of
           the
           Devil
           ,
           for
           our
           Ancestors
           were
           the
           Saints
           ,
           who
           were
           called
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           were
           not
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           even
           as
           we
           are
           not
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           and
           we
           are
           persecuted
           ,
           but
           seeks
           not
           to
           persecute
           any
           ,
           and
           gives
           our
           witnesse
           faithfully
           against
           this
           generation
           ,
           and
           against
           the
           sinnes
           both
           of
           Teachers
           and
           people
           ;
           and
           this
           I
           suppose
           is
           it
           ,
           even
           our
           zeal
           for
           the
           Name
           of
           the
           Lord
           against
           unrighteousnesse
           ,
           which
           he
           falsly
           calls
           
             a
             persecuting
             spirit
             .
          
        
         
         
           16.
           
           His
           sixteenth
           Reason
           is
           ,
           
             Some
             Interrogatories
             ,
          
           (
           saith
           he
           )
           
             What
             reasonable
             man
             should
             turn
             Quaker
             that
             sees
             the
             common
             fruit
             of
             their
             Doctrine
             ?
             what
             good
             do
             they
             do
             whereever
             they
             come
             ,
             but
          
           (
           saith
           he
           )
           
             hate
             both
             godly
             .
             Teachers
             and
             people
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           The
           fruit
           of
           our
           Doctrine
           is
           begetting
           people
           to
           the
           knowledge
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           a
           converting
           them
           from
           sin
           and
           death
           ,
           and
           from
           the
           wayes
           and
           works
           of
           unrighteousnesse
           ,
           to
           be
           the
           servants
           of
           the
           Lord
           ;
           and
           every
           spiritual
           man
           doth
           see
           this
           to
           be
           the
           fruit
           of
           our
           doctrine
           :
           It
           doth
           condemn
           unrighteousnesse
           ,
           and
           bring
           war
           and
           a
           sword
           upon
           earth
           ,
           as
           Christs
           Doctrine
           did
           .
           And
           this
           is
           the
           good
           where
           wee
           come
           ,
           Many
           are
           changed
           from
           wickednesse
           ,
           rudenesse
           ,
           and
           ungodlinesse
           ,
           to
           live
           soberly
           ,
           righteously
           ,
           and
           purely
           in
           this
           present
           world
           ,
           without
           offence
           towards
           God
           and
           men
           .
           For
           to
           say
           ,
           
             We
             make
             people
             both
             to
             hate
             godly
             Teachers
             and
             people
             ,
          
           this
           is
           utterly
           false
           ,
           for
           we
           endeavor
           to
           bring
           people
           to
           the
           true
           Teacher
           ,
           Christ
           Jesus
           ,
           and
           to
           have
           fellowship
           with
           the
           Saints
           :
           It
           's
           true
           ,
           in
           the
           world
           our
           Doctrine
           doth
           make
           division
           ,
           and
           doth
           set
           a
           man
           at
           varience
           ,
           and
           doth
           set
           Father
           against
           Son
           ,
           and
           Son
           against
           Father
           ,
           even
           as
           Christ
           did
           ,
           and
           his
           Doctrine
           ,
           so
           he
           saith
           we
           do
           .
           But
           again
           he
           belyes
           us
           ,
           in
           saying
           ,
           
             We
             bring
             people
             into
             confusion
             and
             abominable
             error
             ,
             or
             that
             we
             cast
             people
             into
             a
             malicious
             mood
             ,
             or
             tincture
             of
             bitterness
             ,
          
           this
           is
           also
           false
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           my
           Answer
           ,
           
             He
             that
             doth
             the
             will
             of
             our
             Father
             ,
             knows
             of
             our
             Doctrine
             ,
             whether
             we
             be
             of
             God
             ,
             or
             of
             our selves
             ,
             and
             to
             all
             the
             world
             besides
             we
             are
             unknown
             ,
             and
             desires
             to
             be
             manifest
             to
             every
             mans
             conscience
             in
             the
             sight
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             not
             to
             that
             wisdom
             which
             is
             of
             this
             world
             :
             And
             though
             he
             scorn
             at
             such
             who
             are
             made
             to
             cast
             off
             their
          
           Points
           
             and
          
           Lace
           ,
           
             yet
             is
             not
             this
             more
             then
             any
             fruit
             that
             his
             Doctrine
             hath
             brought
             forth
             ?
             for
             as
             we
             do
             ,
             so
             did
             the
             Apostle
             exhort
             against
             all
             superfluity
             of
             naughtiness
             ,
             as
             Points
             and
             Laces
             are
             ;
             and
             it
             seems
             that
             such
             as
             depart
             from
             iniquity
             become
             a
             prey
             to
             such
             wicked
             mens
             slandering
             and
             scornful
             tongues
             ,
             and
             a
             maner
             to
             make
             Bookes
             of
             ,
             to
             send
             into
             the
             world
             .
          
        
         
           17.
           
           His
           seventeenth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             It
             is
             no
             great
             encouragement
             to
             us
             to
             turn
             Quakers
             ,
             when
             we
             consider
             who
             are
             their
             followers
             ,
             very
             few
             experienced
             sober
             Christians
             turn
             to
             them
             ,
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             but
             such
             who
             are
             ignorant
             ,
             and
             ungrounded
             ,
             and
             raw
             professors
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           Let
           no
           man
           take
           encouragement
           from
           without
           ,
           to
           turn
           
             Quaker
             ,
          
           or
           to
           own
           the
           way
           of
           Gods
           salvation
           ,
           but
           let
           every
           one
           feel
           a
           measure
           of
           God
           in
           his
           own
           heart
           ,
           converting
           him
           from
           sinne
           unto
           righteousnesse
           ,
           and
           drawing
           his
           mind
           from
           the
           vanity
           and
           hypocrisie
           of
           this
           world
           ,
           to
           the
           truth
           and
           singlenesse
           of
           heart
           :
           And
           he
           appears
           to
           be
           of
           the
           spirit
           of
           the
           
             Pharisees
             ,
          
           who
           said
           ,
           
             None
             but
             a
             company
             of
             poor
             people
             which
             were
             accursed
             ,
             followed
             Christ
             ;
          
           and
           so
           saith
           he
           ,
           in
           effect
           ,
           None
           but
           such
           as
           are
           ignorant
           ,
           and
           such
           like
           :
           But
           what
           if
           there
           were
           not
           any
           other
           but
           
             such
          
           who
           owned
           the
           way
           of
           the
           Lord
           ?
           this
           is
           a
           confirmation
           of
           it
           ,
           rather
           then
           a
           cause
           of
           objecting
           against
           it
           ,
           when
           such
           who
           
           are
           ignorant
           are
           brought
           to
           the
           knowledge
           of
           God
           :
           But
           yet
           his
           words
           are
           false
           ,
           for
           it
           is
           known
           ,
           that
           very
           many
           honest
           ,
           humble
           ,
           sober
           men
           and
           people
           ,
           who
           have
           all
           their
           dayes
           been
           sincere
           towards
           God
           in
           what
           they
           have
           known
           of
           him
           ,
           have
           and
           do
           own
           us
           ;
           and
           indeed
           ,
           all
           that
           ever
           owns
           God
           and
           Salvation
           ,
           shall
           own
           us
           ,
           
             for
             we
             are
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             he
             that
             is
             of
             God
             heareth
             us
             ,
             and
             the
             whole
             world
             lyes
             in
             wickednesse
          
           :
           And
           such
           as
           are
           self-conceited
           ,
           and
           in
           pride
           ,
           and
           wise
           in
           their
           own
           eyes
           ,
           and
           in
           the
           wickedness
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           such
           are
           his
           followers
           ,
           and
           not
           ours
           ,
           though
           he
           falsely
           say
           it
           ;
           for
           such
           as
           follow
           Christ
           have
           we
           fellowship
           with
           ,
           and
           not
           with
           such
           as
           walk
           in
           darkness
           .
        
         
           18.
           
           His
           eighteenth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             It
             is
             an
             evident
             judgement
             of
             God
             upon
             these
             people
             that
             turn
             Quakers
             ,
             and
             a
             punishment
             for
             their
             former
             sins
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           The
           Lord
           God
           ,
           his
           Angels
           ,
           and
           all
           his
           Saints
           and
           Servants
           I
           call
           to
           record
           against
           thee
           ,
           and
           they
           all
           shall
           witnesse
           that
           it
           is
           mercy
           ,
           and
           not
           judgement
           ,
           upon
           them
           that
           owns
           the
           way
           of
           the
           Lord
           :
           And
           them
           that
           owned
           the
           Quakers
           in
           truth
           and
           sincerity
           ,
           have
           and
           do
           witness
           a
           remission
           of
           their
           former
           sins
           ,
           and
           forgiveness
           of
           them
           by
           Jesus
           Christ
           ,
           and
           not
           a
           punishment
           for
           them
           :
           And
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           may
           please
           himself
           and
           some
           others
           with
           his
           reasonless
           Reasons
           ,
           as
           these
           are
           ,
           yet
           they
           are
           not
           worthy
           of
           the
           name
           of
           Reason
           ,
           they
           be
           so
           senseless
           and
           utterly
           false
           .
           And
           though
           he
           railes
           against
           the
           
             Anabaptists
          
           as
           well
           as
           against
           us
           ,
           yet
           any
           man
           whose
           eye
           is
           open
           ,
           sees
           his
           folly
           ,
           &
           turns
           it
           upon
           his
           own
           head
           :
           And
           he
           may
           conceit
           himself
           in
           these
           things
           for
           a
           moment
           ,
           but
           the
           day
           of
           the
           Lord
           will
           declare
           it
           otherwise
           ,
           and
           that
           upon
           us
           mercy
           and
           peace
           shall
           be
           ,
           and
           not
           judgement
           nor
           wrath
           .
        
         
           19.
           
           His
           nineteenth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             They
             are
             already
             in
             division
             among
             themselves
             ,
             as
             the
             contention
             between
          
           Nayler
           
             and
          
           Fox
           ,
           
             and
             their
             followers
             doth
             shew
             .
          
        
         
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           Though
           an
           occasion
           may
           come
           and
           be
           taken
           against
           the
           truth
           ,
           yet
           wo
           unto
           him
           by
           whom
           it
           comes
           ,
           and
           to
           them
           who
           doth
           receive
           it
           ,
           for
           the
           testimony
           of
           truth
           abides
           for
           ever
           .
           But
           as
           about
           that
           division
           he
           speakes
           of
           ,
           it
           hath
           been
           answered
           by
           writings
           several
           times
           ,
           and
           now
           I
           say
           ,
           It
           happened
           but
           as
           a
           tryal
           to
           the
           Lords
           people
           ,
           and
           not
           to
           destroy
           them
           ;
           though
           the
           enemy
           boasts
           himself
           because
           of
           it
           ,
           yet
           the
           Lord
           knows
           how
           to
           preserve
           his
           in
           the
           midst
           of
           temptation
           :
           But
           these
           things
           are
           now
           at
           an
           end
           ,
           though
           a
           temptation
           presented
           it self
           ,
           yet
           it
           overcame
           not
           ,
           and
           truth
           is
           the
           same
           ,
           and
           the
           testimony
           thereof
           doth
           never
           change
           :
           and
           all
           these
           refuges
           which
           the
           wicked
           flyes
           unto
           shall
           not
           cover
           them
           when
           the
           Lord
           appears
           .
        
         
           20.
           
           His
           twentieth
           Reason
           :
           And
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             To
             make
             all
             their
             delusions
             more
             odious
             wickednesse
             ,
             they
             father
             it
             upon
             the
             Holy
             Ghost
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           His
           words
           are
           utterly
           false
           :
           yet
           we
           say
           we
           have
           received
           the
           Holy
           Ghost
           ,
           which
           teacheth
           us
           ,
           and
           leadeth
           us
           into
           all
           truth
           ,
           and
           by
           it
           
           are
           we
           lead
           out
           of
           all
           wickedness
           and
           delusion
           ,
           and
           all
           wicked
           speeches
           which
           he
           brands
           us
           withall
           ,
           and
           these
           things
           are
           his
           own
           ,
           for
           he
           is
           seen
           to
           be
           in
           delusion
           ,
           and
           odious
           wickedness
           ,
           and
           wicked
           speeches
           .
           And
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             They
             speak
             against
             the
             DOCTRINE
             of
             the
             SPIRIT
             ,
             and
             cryes
             down
             the
             love
             of
             the
             Saints
             ,
             and
             against
             the
             Ordinances
             of
             the
             Ministers
             of
             Christ
             .
          
           To
           this
           I
           have
           answered
           ,
           In
           the
           love
           &
           union
           with
           all
           the
           Saints
           we
           are
           ,
           and
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ,
           but
           against
           Hypocrisie
           we
           declare
           ,
           such
           who
           profess
           what
           they
           are
           not
           ,
           and
           use
           their
           tongues
           ,
           and
           saith
           the
           Lord
           saith
           ,
           when
           the
           Lord
           hath
           not
           spoken
           to
           them
           ;
           and
           sprinkle
           Infants
           ,
           and
           saith
           it
           is
           ●n
           ordinance
           of
           Christ
           ;
           and
           singing
           
             Davids
          
           Experiences
           in
           Rime
           and
           Meeter
           ,
           with
           many
           other
           things
           which
           the
           Priests
           hath
           in
           their
           practice
           ,
           such
           things
           we
           deny
           to
           be
           Ordinances
           of
           Christ
           ,
           and
           them
           to
           be
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           which
           do
           practice
           them
           ;
           and
           this
           we
           do
           say
           by
           the
           spirit
           of
           truth
           :
           But
           that
           
             we
             prenounce
             damnation
             against
             Gods
             Church
             and
             holy
             Servants
             ,
          
           this
           is
           false
           again
           ,
           and
           is
           but
           the
           fulfilling
           the
           number
           of
           his
           lyes
           ;
           and
           though
           he
           charge
           us
           secretly
           with
           preaching
           another
           Gospel
           then
           that
           which
           
             Paul
          
           preached
           ,
           is
           false
           ;
           and
           if
           we
           duly
           examine
           ,
           it
           will
           be
           he
           that
           wil
           be
           sound
           preaching
           another
           Gospel
           ,
           whose
           practice
           is
           found
           in
           many
           things
           contrary
           to
           them
           who
           were
           Ministers
           of
           the
           true
           Gospel
           ,
           and
           so
           the
           curse
           pronounced
           by
           the
           Apostle
           will
           fall
           upon
           him
           ,
           and
           not
           upon
           us
           in
           the
           day
           of
           judgement
           .
        
         
           21.
           
           His
           one
           and
           twentieth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             The
             Quakers
             themselves
             renounce
             in
             words
             the
             Ranters
             and
             Papists
             as
             a
             deluded
             sort
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           To
           which
           I
           answer
           and
           say
           ,
           Yea
           ,
           not
           onely
           in
           words
           ,
           but
           in
           lives
           also
           we
           utterly
           abhor
           the
           Ranters
           and
           Papists
           both
           in
           profession
           and
           practice
           ,
           and
           do
           know
           that
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           is
           of
           the
           same
           spirit
           ,
           though
           differing
           in
           words
           .
           But
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             The
             Ranters
             and
             Drunkards
             cryes
             out
             against
             the
             same
             Ministers
             and
             same
             exercise
             and
             godly
             people
             as
             the
             Quakers
             do
             .
          
           To
           which
           I
           answer
           ,
           What
           the
           Ranters
           and
           Drunkards
           may
           do
           in
           their
           wickedness
           and
           unclean
           spirits
           ,
           is
           one
           thing
           ,
           and
           what
           we
           do
           in
           the
           fear
           of
           God
           and
           tender
           love
           to
           peoples
           souls
           ,
           is
           another
           thing
           ;
           but
           how
           uncharitable
           is
           this
           man
           in
           his
           judgement
           ?
           Let
           us
           try
           him
           ,
           as
           if
           I
           should
           say
           ,
           The
           Ranters
           ,
           and
           drunkards
           ,
           and
           prophane
           ,
           and
           all
           ungodly
           people
           ,
           they
           are
           our
           enemies
           ,
           and
           doth
           oppose
           &
           gain
           say
           the
           way
           of
           God
           ,
           and
           the
           people
           called
           Quakers
           ,
           and
           they
           beat
           them
           ,
           and
           reproach
           them
           ,
           and
           slander
           them
           ,
           and
           doth
           much
           cruelty
           unto
           them
           ;
           and
           thus
           doth
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           of
           
             Kedderminster
             ,
          
           he
           reviles
           them
           ,
           and
           reproaches
           them
           ,
           and
           belyes
           them
           ,
           and
           therefore
           he
           is
           one
           with
           the
           Ranters
           ,
           and
           drunkards
           ,
           and
           prophane
           people
           ,
           and
           he
           holds
           part
           of
           the
           Papists
           ,
           Ranters
           ,
           and
           drunkards
           doctrine
           and
           practice
           :
           And
           thus
           he
           is
           judged
           with
           his
           own
           Rule
           ,
           according
           as
           he
           hath
           judged
           us
           ,
           by
           the
           same
           Rule
           ;
           and
           now
           say
           I
           as
           well
           as
           he
           of
           us
           ,
           Let
           any
           man
           judge
           that
           hath
           not
           for
           sworn
           all
           wit
           and
           reason
           ,
           whether
           it
           is
           likely
           the
           Holy
           Ghost
           will
           inspire
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           and
           a
           company
           of
           Priests
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           to
           acquaint
           them
           with
           the
           same
           
           Points
           ,
           Doctrines
           ,
           and
           Practices
           ,
           which
           the
           Papists
           ,
           Ranters
           ,
           Drunkards
           ,
           and
           all
           prophane
           people
           exercise
           themselves
           in
           ;
           for
           as
           all
           they
           are
           enemies
           to
           the
           
             Quakers
             ,
          
           so
           is
           he
           and
           his
           company
           .
           And
           farther
           I
           ask
           him
           ,
           Whether
           the
           same
           things
           be
           heavenly
           in
           
             Rich.
             Baxter
          
           and
           his
           company
           ,
           which
           be
           hellish
           in
           the
           Ranters
           and
           Drunkards
           ?
           And
           whether
           
             Richard
             Baxter
          
           hath
           not
           condemned
           himself
           and
           the
           Priests
           of
           
             England
          
           in
           condemning
           the
           Papists
           ,
           and
           Ranters
           ,
           and
           Drunkards
           ,
           and
           prophane
           people
           ,
           in
           acting
           the
           very
           same
           things
           ,
           to
           wit
           ,
           speaking
           against
           ,
           reproaching
           ,
           reviling
           ,
           and
           slandering
           ,
           and
           backbiting
           an
           innocent
           people
           of
           God
           ,
           called
           
             Quakers
             .
          
        
         
           22.
           
           His
           two
           and
           twentieth
           Reason
           :
           And
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             If
             I
             have
             any
             reason
             to
             be
             weary
             of
             the
             Christian
             Catholike
             reformed
             Religion
             ,
             what
             reason
             have
             I
             to
             turn
             Quaker
             more
             then
             to
             any
             other
             Sect
             ?
             Why
             (
             saith
             he
             )
             how
             do
             they
             prove
             they
             are
             more
             in
             the
             right
             then
             any
             other
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Answ.
          
           To
           all
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           This
           is
           according
           to
           his
           knowledge
           ,
           who
           sees
           no
           difference
           between
           good
           and
           evil
           ,
           between
           such
           as
           serveth
           God
           ,
           and
           such
           as
           serves
           him
           not
           ;
           and
           how
           can
           this
           man
           be
           a
           Teacher
           of
           others
           that
           is
           so
           blind
           himself
           ?
           The
           true
           Christian
           Religion
           he
           is
           out
           of
           ,
           and
           in
           a
           Sect
           ,
           whose
           fruits
           are
           as
           bad
           as
           the
           
             Papists
          
           or
           
             Familists
             ,
          
           or
           any
           others
           ;
           for
           I
           believe
           not
           the
           worst
           of
           Sects
           could
           have
           brought
           forth
           more
           lyes
           and
           slanders
           ,
           and
           scoffing
           words
           in
           one
           sheet
           of
           paper
           ,
           then
           he
           hath
           done
           in
           this
           which
           now
           I
           deal
           withall
           .
           And
           as
           for
           our
           proof
           that
           we
           are
           in
           the
           right
           way
           ,
           to
           every
           man
           that
           hath
           an
           eye
           to
           see
           ,
           &
           an
           ear
           to
           hear
           ,
           and
           an
           heart
           to
           conceive
           ,
           it
           's
           easie
           to
           be
           proved
           ,
           and
           such
           are
           satisfied
           ;
           but
           as
           for
           unbelievers
           and
           persecutors
           ,
           such
           as
           himself
           ,
           they
           must
           hear
           ,
           and
           see
           ,
           and
           not
           perceive
           and
           understand
           .
        
         
           23.
           
           His
           three
           and
           twentieth
           Reason
           :
           Saith
           he
           ,
           
             The
             way
             by
             which
             they
             prevail
             is
             not
             producing
             any
             evidence
             ,
             for
             they
             renounce
             that
             ,
             and
             offers
             all
             from
             the
             Authority
             of
             the
             spirit
             within
             them
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           The
           way
           by
           which
           we
           prevail
           is
           by
           the
           spirit
           of
           the
           Lord
           which
           is
           within
           us
           ,
           and
           that
           was
           the
           way
           whereby
           all
           the
           Ministers
           of
           Christ
           ever
           prevailed
           ,
           by
           the
           authority
           of
           that
           .
           But
           yet
           this
           is
           false
           ,
           we
           do
           not
           deny
           to
           produce
           
             Evidences
             ,
          
           but
           is
           sufficiently
           able
           ,
           and
           hath
           done
           it
           ,
           to
           produce
           
             Evidences
          
           out
           of
           the
           
             Scriptures
             ,
          
           to
           prove
           all
           things
           which
           we
           professe
           or
           practice
           for
           Religion
           .
           But
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             They
             must
             prove
             their
             Commission
             by
             Divine
             miracles
             before
             any
             reasonable
             man
             can
             believe
             it
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           Many
           that
           fear
           God
           ,
           and
           are
           in
           the
           purest
           Reason
           ,
           hath
           believed
           us
           already
           ,
           and
           doth
           see
           the
           mighty
           wonders
           of
           God
           brought
           to
           passe
           ,
           and
           it
           cannot
           be
           believed
           by
           
             Richard
             Baxter
             ,
          
           no
           more
           then
           Christ
           was
           believed
           of
           the
           
             Pharisees
             ,
          
           in
           whom
           the
           mighty
           power
           of
           God
           was
           made
           manifest
           ,
           for
           though
           he
           did
           miracles
           ,
           yet
           that
           generation
           could
           not
           believe
           them
           .
           And
           he
           tells
           of
           some
           that
           said
           
             he
             was
             blind
          
           ;
           so
           might
           they
           well
           do
           ,
           and
           not
           lye
           ,
           his
           blindnesse
           is
           made
           manifest
           at
           large
           .
           And
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             But
             can
             I
             see
             the
             Witnesse
             in
             them
             that
             saith
             they
             have
             the
             witnesse
             in
             themselves
             .
          
           
           Nay
           ,
           because
           thou
           art
           an
           unbeliever
           thou
           canst
           not
           ;
           but
           if
           thou
           wert
           a
           believer
           in
           Christ
           ,
           thou
           wouldst
           feele
           the
           same
           testimony
           in
           the
           Brethren
           ;
           but
           by
           thee
           we
           are
           not
           known
           ,
           and
           therefore
           by
           thee
           are
           falsly
           judged
           ;
           for
           no
           other
           testimony
           do
           we
           give
           or
           hold
           forth
           ,
           but
           the
           same
           which
           the
           Apostles
           did
           ,
           which
           we
           have
           received
           from
           Christ
           as
           the
           Apostles
           did
           ,
           &
           not
           by
           any
           Authority
           of
           our
           own
           ,
           though
           he
           falsly
           say
           it
           ,
           but
           by
           the
           Authority
           of
           the
           power
           of
           God
           ;
           &
           we
           shall
           not
           much
           seek
           or
           beg
           our
           Adversaries
           belief
           ,
           for
           to
           God
           are
           we
           known
           ,
           and
           one
           to
           another
           in
           the
           spirit
           ,
           and
           not
           to
           the
           wisdom
           of
           the
           world
           ,
           which
           is
           devillish
           ,
           and
           knows
           not
           ,
           nor
           receives
           not
           the
           things
           which
           be
           eternal
           .
        
         
           His
           last
           Reason
           :
           
             They
             teach
             but
             such
             like
             Doctrines
             ,
             and
             takes
             the
             like
             course
             as
             many
             of
             the
             Hereticks
             did
          
           ;
           and
           saith
           he
           ,
           
             Shall
             we
             run
             our selves
             into
             the
             fire
             which
             hath
             consumed
             such
             Heresie
             through
             former
             Ages
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           To
           this
           I
           answer
           ,
           The
           Doctrines
           of
           the
           Gospel
           we
           hold
           forth
           and
           teach
           to
           all
           people
           ,
           and
           in
           that
           way
           which
           is
           called
           Heresie
           ,
           worship
           we
           indeed
           the
           God
           of
           our
           fathers
           ;
           but
           it
           is
           but
           such
           as
           this
           man
           with
           whom
           I
           deal
           ,
           who
           is
           a
           false
           witnesse-bearer
           ,
           and
           a
           reproacher
           ,
           and
           the
           company
           of
           Hireling-Teachers
           ,
           and
           such
           like
           ,
           that
           doth
           call
           the
           way
           of
           God
           Heresie
           .
           And
           though
           he
           say
           ,
           presently
           after
           the
           Apostles
           dayes
           such
           Hereticks
           arose
           and
           troubled
           the
           Church
           .
           To
           which
           I
           answer
           ,
           Nay
           it
           is
           just
           such
           like
           as
           himself
           ,
           who
           appeared
           in
           the
           Apostles
           dayes
           ,
           who
           taught
           for
           filthy
           lucre
           ,
           and
           for
           gain
           made
           merchandize
           of
           souls
           ;
           and
           it
           was
           such
           lying
           Prophets
           which
           
             Iohn
          
           saw
           the
           whole
           world
           run
           after
           in
           his
           dayes
           ,
           and
           they
           were
           them
           that
           troubled
           the
           Church
           ,
           even
           such
           as
           were
           heady
           ,
           and
           high
           minded
           ,
           and
           proud
           ,
           and
           covetous
           men
           ,
           and
           such
           as
           are
           false
           Accusers
           ,
           and
           fierce
           men
           ;
           and
           his
           shame
           and
           folly
           is
           made
           manifest
           ,
           and
           so
           his
           lyes
           and
           slanders
           are
           turned
           upon
           his
           own
           head
           .
           And
           in
           his
           Conclusion
           he
           doth
           beseech
           Professors
           to
           consider
           impartially
           of
           these
           24.
           
           Reasons
           ;
           to
           which
           I
           say
           ,
           The
           most
           of
           them
           are
           so
           reasonlesse
           ,
           that
           they
           will
           rather
           turn
           to
           his
           own
           confusion
           ,
           then
           to
           his
           praise
           ,
           to
           any
           man
           of
           understanding
           :
           And
           he
           bids
           all
           bethink
           themselves
           ,
           first
           ,
           
             What
             a
             doleful
             thing
             it
             is
             that
             professors
             should
             be
             so
             loose
             and
             unstable
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Ans.
          
           Doleful
           it
           is
           indeed
           that
           after
           so
           much
           preaching
           of
           the
           Priests
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           people
           should
           be
           so
           ignorant
           ,
           loose
           ,
           and
           unstable
           as
           indeed
           they
           are
           ,
           and
           this
           is
           a
           very
           shame
           to
           the
           Teachers
           ,
           and
           shews
           that
           they
           were
           not
           sent
           of
           God
           ,
           because
           that
           the
           people
           are
           not
           profited
           at
           all
           ,
           but
           continues
           ignorant
           ,
           loose
           ,
           and
           unstable
           ,
           and
           wicked
           ,
           according
           to
           their
           own
           confession
           ;
           and
           indeed
           ,
           people
           are
           to
           be
           pittyed
           that
           are
           under
           their
           Ministry
           ,
           who
           by
           it
           can
           never
           come
           to
           the
           knowledge
           of
           God
           ,
           but
           must
           be
           ever
           learning
           fifty
           or
           sixty
           years
           ,
           and
           ignorant
           ,
           loose
           ,
           and
           unstable
           at
           their
           very
           end
           ,
           and
           yet
           these
           are
           members
           of
           this
           Church
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           so
           called
           ,
           which
           the
           very
           Pastors
           thereof
           confesseth
           to
           be
           loose
           ,
           and
           unstable
           ,
           and
           wicked
           ,
           and
           brands
           us
           to
           be
           denyers
           of
           this
           Church
           ,
           
           as
           indeed
           we
           have
           good
           reason
           ,
           to
           see
           the
           members
           thereof
           so
           wicked
           ,
           loose
           ,
           and
           unstable
           ,
           as
           is
           confessed
           by
           their
           own
           
             Teachers
             ,
          
           therefore
           we
           cannot
           be
           condemned
           for
           denying
           such
           a
           
             Church
             .
          
           Secondly
           ,
           He
           bids
           consider
           what
           
             a
             heavy
             judgement
             it
             is
             to
             professors
             themselves
             ,
             to
             be
             self-condemned
             ,
             and
             self-divided
             from
             the
             Church
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           To
           which
           I
           answer
           ,
           A
           heavy
           judgement
           indeed
           ,
           that
           such
           as
           are
           of
           the
           
             Church
          
           should
           be
           self-condemned
           ,
           and
           self-divided
           from
           it
           ;
           but
           yet
           it
           is
           a
           blessed
           thing
           that
           any
           that
           have
           been
           deceived
           with
           false
           likenesse
           ,
           now
           should
           come
           to
           see
           the
           error
           thereof
           ,
           &
           be
           turned
           to
           the
           true
           
             Church
          
           which
           is
           in
           God
           ,
           and
           to
           be
           drawn
           away
           from
           all
           windy
           Doctrines
           of
           
             Englands
             Teachers
             ,
          
           and
           this
           many
           doth
           witnesse
           .
           Then
           he
           exhorts
           
             Christians
          
           to
           be
           serious
           ,
           and
           be
           true
           to
           the
           light
           which
           they
           have
           received
           :
           To
           which
           I
           say
           ,
           All
           that
           are
           true
           to
           the
           light
           which
           they
           have
           received
           from
           
             Christ
             Jesus
             ,
          
           will
           deny
           this
           man
           I
           now
           deal
           withall
           ,
           and
           all
           his
           lyes
           and
           slanders
           .
           Then
           he
           bids
           stick
           close
           to
           the
           Word
           of
           God
           ;
           and
           I
           say
           ,
           All
           that
           do
           so
           will
           finde
           it
           as
           a
           Fire
           &
           a
           Hammer
           ,
           and
           will
           be
           gathered
           from
           under
           the
           dead
           Doctrines
           of
           men
           in
           this
           Age
           .
           And
           he
           exhorts
           them
           to
           stick
           close
           to
           a
           faithful
           Ministry
           :
           To
           which
           I
           say
           ,
           Then
           must
           they
           deny
           all
           
             Hirelings
             ,
          
           and
           
             such
             as
             preacheth
             for
             hire
             ,
          
           for
           such
           are
           not
           of
           the
           
             faithful
             Ministry
             ,
          
           but
           deceivers
           of
           people
           .
        
         
           
             And
             thus
             in
             few
             words
             return
             is
             sent
             in
             the
             pursute
             of
             a
             Sheet
             of
             Lyes
             and
             Slanders
             put
             forth
             into
             the
             world
             ,
             and
             all
             sober-minded
             people
             by
             this
             may
             come
             to
             a
             good
             understanding
             between
             Truth
             and
             error
             .
             And
             though
             he
             hath
             taken
             a
             c●urse
             to
             spread
             his
             Books
             as
             Ballads
             and
             Fables
             ,
             by
             having
             them
             cryed
             up
             and
             down
             the
             streets
             ,
             which
             is
             not
             for
             his
             advantage
             altogether
             ,
             but
             doth
             shew
             his
             Work
             ridiculous
             to
             all
             wise
             men
             .
             And
             so
             hereby
             it
             may
             be
             seen
             that
             all
             his
             Strong
             Reasons
             are
             confounded
             and
             overturned
             ,
             that
             would
             hinder
             a
             man
             from
             being
             a
          
           QUAKER
           .
        
         
         
           THe
           main
           and
           chief
           things
           I
           have
           spoken
           of
           ,
           and
           by
           what
           is
           written
           in
           short
           ,
           men
           of
           understanding
           may
           understand
           what
           his
           whole
           matter
           can
           be
           :
           But
           in
           the
           beginning
           of
           his
           Book
           he
           falls
           a
           complaining
           of
           
             the
             lamentable
             Ignorance
             and
             ungodliness
             of
             common
             People
             ;
             and
             of
             the
             pride
             ,
             and
             self-conceitedness
             of
             Professors
             of
             godliness
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             weaknes
             ,
             and
             giddiness
             ,
             and
             unstableness
             of
             others
          
           :
           To
           this
           I
           Answer
           ;
           It
           is
           true
           ,
           abundance
           are
           ignorant
           ,
           and
           abundance
           are
           proud
           and
           self-conceited
           ▪
           and
           abundance
           unstable
           and
           giddy
           in
           their
           minds
           ;
           and
           substract
           these
           from
           the
           whole
           Company
           of
           the
           Hearers
           of
           the
           Teachers
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           and
           there
           is
           but
           a
           few
           left
           (
           if
           any
           at
           all
           )
           that
           are
           truly
           righteous
           in
           the
           sight
           of
           God
           ;
           and
           so
           to
           the
           shame
           of
           all
           the
           Teachers
           of
           
             England
             ,
          
           hath
           he
           confessed
           the
           truth
           in
           this
           particular
           ;
           and
           sheweth
           that
           indeed
           the
           People
           is
           not
           profited
           by
           them
           :
           and
           this
           is
           a
           strong
           Argument
           that
           they
           were
           never
           sent
           of
           God
           ,
           but
           hath
           ran
           and
           were
           never
           sent
           :
           But
           presently
           after
           that
           he
           cryes
           out
           of
           Hereticks
           and
           Deceivers
           ,
           even
           like
           as
           the
           Pope
           doth
           ;
           but
           what
           is
           he
           afraid
           of
           ,
           That
           they
           that
           are
           ignorant
           ,
           and
           ungodly
           ,
           and
           proud
           ▪
           and
           self-conceited
           ,
           unstable
           ,
           and
           giddy
           ,
           should
           be
           deceived
           ,
           they
           that
           are
           in
           those
           iniquities
           are
           deceived
           already
           ,
           and
           cannot
           possibly
           fall
           into
           greater
           deceit
           ,
           or
           delusion
           .
           But
           it
           appears
           ,
           That
           many
           of
           the
           Priests
           of
           
             England
          
           cares
           not
           how
           little
           their
           Hearers
           profits
           by
           them
           ,
           so
           if
           they
           can
           get
           their
           wages
           ,
           their
           Hire
           ,
           their
           great
           sums
           of
           money
           ;
           for
           one
           of
           them
           said
           (
           I
           mean
           a
           supposed
           Minister
           of
           
             England
          
           )
           in
           
             Cambr●dge-shire
          
           ,
           
             That
             he
             mattered
             not
             if
             all
             his
             Hearers
             went
             to
             the
             Devil
             ,
             so
             they
             would
             but
             give
             him
             his
             dues
          
           ;
           to
           wit
           ,
           
             Tythes
             and
             Maintenance
             .
          
           So
           that
           by
           this
           instance
           ,
           you
           may
           judge
           what
           stock
           they
           are
           of
           ,
           and
           what
           their
           endeavours
           are
           ;
           and
           we
           desire
           that
           people
           may
           be
           undeceived
           of
           that
           wherein
           they
           are
           deceived
           ,
           and
           that
           they
           may
           turn
           from
           such
           a
           generation
           of
           covetous
           Teachers
           ,
           who
           care
           so
           little
           for
           their
           souls
           .
           And
           whereas
           he
           saith
           ,
           The
           Quakers
           
             are
             but
             of
             a
             few
             years
             standing
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             arose
             from
             among
             the
             Papists
             but
             a
             few
             years
             ago
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
         
           To
           this
           I
           Answer
           ,
           The
           People
           of
           God
           received
           that
           name
           but
           a
           few
           years
           ago
           ,
           but
           the
           Saints
           were
           
             Quakers
             ,
          
           I
           am
           able
           to
           prove
           ,
           long
           before
           ;
           for
           
             Abraham
             ,
          
           and
           
             Isaac
             ,
          
           and
           
             Moses
             ,
          
           and
           
             Habakkuk
             ;
             Daniel
             ,
          
           and
           
             Paul
             ,
          
           and
           all
           the
           rest
           were
           
             Quakers
          
           though
           they
           were
           not
           called
           so
           ;
           and
           though
           our
           name
           is
           new
           ,
           yet
           our
           Religion
           is
           old
           ;
           for
           it
           is
           the
           good
           old
           way
           ,
           even
           the
           way
           the
           Apostles
           walked
           in
           ,
           though
           it
           hath
           been
           over-clouded
           for
           many
           years
           in
           the
           dark
           night
           or
           Apostasie
           ,
           which
           hath
           been
           over
           the
           whole
           world
           ;
           and
           the
           Beast
           hath
           reigned
           and
           made
           War
           against
           the
           Saints
           and
           killed
           them
           ,
           and
           this
           hath
           been
           for
           many
           ages
           as
           you
           may
           read
           :
           Yet
           there
           was
           a
           Seed
           which
           God
           preserved
           for
           himself
           in
           the
           midst
           of
           darkness
           ,
           but
           now
           is
           the
           way
           of
           the
           Lord
           made
           manifest
           again
           ,
           and
           the
           same
           power
           and
           life
           of
           God
           which
           was
           in
           the
           Apostles
           dayes
           ,
           and
           Truth
           shall
           spring
           forth
           ,
           and
           Idolatry
           shall
           be
           rooted
           out
           by
           little
           and
           little
           ,
           and
           Antichrist
           and
           his
           kingdom
           shall
           fall
           ,
           and
           even
           Christ
           the
           Son
           of
           God
           the
           same
           as
           ever
           was
           ,
           for
           no
           other
           we
           own
           ,
           but
           him
           who
           was
           and
           is
           ,
           and
           is
           to
           come
           ;
           he
           shall
           rule
           ,
           and
           his
           people
           shall
           follow
           him
           .
           And
           though
           he
           saith
           ,
           The
           
             Quakers
             be
             an
             upstart
             Sect
          
           :
           using
           such
           scornful
           words
           ,
           not
           beseeming
           a
           Minister
           of
           Jesus
           Christ
           ;
           but
           we
           are
           willing
           to
           bear
           all
           his
           reproaches
           for
           Christs
           sake
           .
           And
           he
           speaks
           most
           foolishly
           ,
           and
           saith
           as
           if
           we
           knew
           not
           the
           contents
           of
           our
           Religion
           ;
           yea
           ,
           we
           know
           the
           contents
           and
           foundation
           of
           it
           ,
           which
           is
           Christ
           that
           good
           old
           foundation
           ,
           and
           him
           we
           are
           zealous
           for
           ,
           and
           him
           we
           Preach
           and
           no
           other
           .
           And
           though
           he
           say
           ,
           
             The
             Christians
             Faith
             hath
             been
             known
             for
             sixteen
             hundred
             years
             ago
          
           :
           I
           say
           it
           was
           so
           ,
           but
           the
           night
           hath
           been
           over
           all
           ,
           wherein
           no
           man
           can
           work
           ,
           since
           it
           hath
           been
           first
           revealed
           ;
           and
           Traditions
           ,
           and
           Superstitions
           hath
           the
           World
           been
           exercised
           in
           ,
           and
           led
           into
           ;
           and
           the
           true
           Faith
           of
           the
           Gospel
           hath
           been
           departed
           from
           ,
           and
           many
           knows
           it
           not
           at
           this
           day
           .
           And
           he
           saith
           ,
           
             He
             abhors
             any
             Gospel
             ,
             or
             Religion
             ,
             that
             was
             not
             made
             sixteen
             hundred
             years
             ago
             ,
             &c.
             
          
           To
           this
           I
           
             Answer
             ,
          
           Then
           must
           he
           abhor
           his
           own
           Practice
           ;
           for
           sprinkling
           or
           Infants
           ,
           telling
           people
           it
           is
           a
           Baptizing
           into
           the
           Faith
           of
           Christ
           ,
           was
           not
           so
           long
           since
           ,
           
           nor
           singing
           
             Davids
          
           experiences
           in
           Rime
           and
           Meeter
           for
           a
           part
           of
           Gods
           Worship
           ;
           and
           many
           other
           things
           which
           the
           Priests
           of
           
             England
          
           practise
           for
           Religion
           and
           Gospel-Ordinances
           ,
           but
           are
           not
           so
           ;
           but
           an
           invention
           came
           in
           many
           years
           since
           the
           Faith
           was
           revealed
           to
           the
           Apostles
           ;
           and
           thus
           he
           hath
           abhorred
           his
           ovvn
           practise
           ,
           and
           is
           condemned
           out
           of
           his
           ovvn
           mouth
           .
           And
           vvhereas
           he
           speaks
           of
           
             one
             that
             lately
             spoke
             to
             another
          
           in
           these
           vords
           ,
           
             He
             denied
             the
             God
             that
             he
             Worshiped
             .
          
           That
           might
           be
           true
           :
           for
           thousands
           in
           
             England
          
           Worships
           the
           god
           of
           this
           World
           ;
           and
           that
           god
           the
           Saints
           deny
           :
           And
           he
           counts
           it
           a
           thing
           very
           abominable
           to
           trust
           to
           that
           vvhich
           is
           vvithin
           the
           Saints
           ;
           though
           it
           be
           according
           to
           the
           Scriptures
           ;
           for
           Christ
           is
           in
           the
           Saints
           ,
           and
           God
           dvvels
           in
           the
           Saints
           ;
           and
           God
           and
           Christ
           is
           only
           to
           be
           trusted
           to
           .
           There
           is
           also
           another
           piece
           put
           forth
           by
           him
           ,
           called
           ,
           
             A
             Sheet
             for
             the
             Ministry
          
           :
           in
           vvhich
           also
           (
           according
           to
           his
           usual
           manner
           )
           he
           Rails
           and
           Lyes
           against
           the
           
             Quakers
          
           in
           many
           things
           ;
           also
           I
           might
           instance
           in
           many
           more
           things
           vvherein
           he
           hath
           belyed
           us
           ,
           as
           a
           man
           vithout
           fear
           or
           honesty
           :
           and
           much
           ado
           he
           makes
           about
           Tythes
           :
           And
           he
           commends
           his
           Reader
           to
           the
           
             Quakers
             Catechisme
             ,
          
           for
           better
           satisfaction
           .
           And
           I
           do
           commend
           all
           sober
           people
           to
           the
           Ansvver
           of
           the
           same
           ,
           vvherein
           his
           folly
           and
           vveakness
           is
           laid
           open
           ,
           as
           in
           them
           particulars
           .
           But
           he
           saith
           ,
           The
           Tenths
           are
           theirs
           as
           fully
           as
           the
           rest
           are
           ours
           ▪
           but
           this
           is
           denyed
           ;
           for
           the
           Tythes
           are
           not
           paid
           out
           of
           the
           Lands
           ,
           but
           out
           of
           mens
           labours
           and
           industrious
           exercises
           upon
           the
           Land
           :
           for
           if
           any
           man
           let
           his
           Land
           lye
           untilled
           ,
           there
           is
           no
           Tythes
           claimed
           ;
           so
           that
           it
           is
           manifest
           it
           's
           paid
           out
           of
           mens
           labours
           ,
           and
           not
           out
           of
           the
           Land
           :
           and
           many
           other
           things
           vve
           have
           against
           Tythes
           ,
           and
           against
           the
           unjustnesse
           of
           them
           ,
           and
           the
           oppression
           grovving
           thereby
           .
           And
           vve
           do
           knovv
           ,
           That
           never
           any
           Minister
           of
           Christ
           vvas
           maintained
           in
           such
           a
           vvay
           :
           nay
           ,
           they
           vvere
           so
           far
           off
           being
           maintained
           by
           a
           Lavv
           ,
           that
           they
           vvould
           not
           make
           use
           of
           their
           povver
           vvhich
           they
           had
           in
           Christ
           in
           those
           things
           as
           of
           outvvard
           maintenance
           .
           But
           much
           need
           not
           be
           said
           ,
           for
           thousands
           begins
           to
           see
           the
           grievous
           burden
           and
           unlavvfulness
           of
           Tythes
           ,
           and
           
           that
           in
           the
           Gospel
           administration
           ,
           these
           things
           are
           no
           vvay
           commanded
           by
           the
           lavv
           of
           God
           ,
           but
           as
           they
           came
           in
           by
           tradition
           ,
           and
           vvere
           established
           by
           the
           Pope
           ,
           and
           are
           novv
           the
           chief
           maintenance
           of
           
             Englands
          
           Teachers
           .
           Indeed
           grievous
           and
           sad
           to
           be
           considered
           it
           is
           ,
           hovv
           many
           hundreds
           in
           
             England
          
           of
           honest
           men
           are
           made
           havock
           on
           in
           their
           Persons
           and
           Estates
           in
           relation
           to
           Tythes
           ,
           because
           for
           Conscience
           sake
           they
           cannot
           pay
           to
           the
           upholding
           of
           an
           Antichristian
           Ministry
           ,
           vvhich
           denies
           Christ
           come
           in
           the
           flesh
           ,
           by
           upholding
           Tythes
           ,
           vvhich
           only
           belonged
           to
           the
           first
           Priesthood
           under
           the
           Lavv
           ,
           and
           vvas
           never
           practised
           (
           either
           paid
           or
           received
           by
           any
           )
           of
           them
           that
           vvere
           Witnesses
           of
           Christ
           come
           ,
           or
           after
           his
           death
           ,
           vvho
           did
           thereby
           fulfil
           that
           part
           of
           the
           old
           Covenant
           ,
           and
           put
           an
           end
           to
           that
           Covenant
           ,
           and
           the
           Priesthood
           vvas
           changed
           that
           took
           Tythes
           ,
           and
           a
           necessity
           there
           vvas
           also
           of
           the
           change
           of
           the
           Lavv
           as
           it
           is
           vvritten
           .
           So
           this
           is
           an
           Ansvver
           in
           part
           to
           
             Richard
             Baxters
          
           many
           Lyes
           and
           Reproaches
           ,
           and
           his
           vvhole
           Work
           is
           turned
           by
           as
           our
           spoyled
           prey
           of
           
             Babylons
          
           treasure
           ;
           and
           no
           more
           to
           be
           recokned
           in
           the
           Records
           of
           Truth
           ,
           but
           shall
           stand
           upon
           an
           account
           ,
           among
           the
           corrupted
           and
           poluted
           commodity
           ,
           of
           the
           grovvth
           of
           
             Aegypt
          
           and
           
             Babylon
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               London
               ,
            
             
               
                 the
              
               9.
               
               
                 Month
                 ,
              
               1657.
               
            
          
        
         
           The
           End
           .