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             Answeres to the particulars proponed by his Majesties commissionar
             Hamilton, James Hamilton, Duke of, 1606-1649.
          
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           Answeres
           to
           the
           particulars
           proponed
           by
           
             his
             Majesties
             Commissionar
             .
          
        
         
           HAving
           seriously
           considered
           with
           our selves
           that
           nothing
           in
           this
           world
           is
           so
           pretious
           ,
           and
           ought
           to
           be
           so
           deare
           unto
           us
           as
           our
           Religion
           ,
           that
           the
           diseases
           of
           this
           Kirk
           after
           long
           toleration
           did
           threaten
           no
           lesse
           than
           her
           owne
           ruine
           ,
           and
           expiring
           of
           the
           trueth
           of
           Religion
           at
           last
           .
           And
           that
           a
           free
           generall
           Assembly
           was
           the
           ordinarie
           remedie
           appointed
           by
           divine
           authoritie
           ,
           and
           blessed
           by
           divine
           providence
           in
           other
           Kirks
           ,
           and
           after
           a
           speciall
           manner
           in
           the
           Kirk
           of
           
             Scotland
             ;
          
           Wee
           have
           often
           and
           earnestly
           supplicated
           for
           the
           same
           ,
           and
           have
           laboured
           to
           remove
           what
           was
           objected
           ,
           or
           what
           we
           could
           concieve
           to
           bee
           any
           hinderance
           to
           the
           obtaining
           of
           our
           desire
           ,
           like
           as
           wee
           have
           now
           for
           the
           same
           good
           end
           resolved
           to
           returne
           this
           Answer
           to
           the
           particulars
           proponed
           to
           bee
           performed
           by
           us
           before
           an
           Assembly
           be
           indicted
           .
        
         
           The
           particulars
           proponed
           are
           either
           matters
           Ecclesiastick
           or
           civil
           :
           Ecclesiastick
           or
           kirk
           matters
           are
           ,
           the
           First
           concerning
           Ministers
           deposed
           or
           suspended
           by
           the
           presbyteries
           ,
           since
           the
           first
           of
           Februar
           last
           without
           warrant
           of
           the
           Ordinar
           ,
           that
           they
           bee
           reponed
           to
           their
           own
           places
           .
           The
           second
           concerning
           Moderators
           of
           presbytrys
           deposed
           since
           the
           forsaid
           day
           to
           be
           reponed
           ,
           and
           all
           Moderators
           appointed
           by
           the
           said
           presbyteries
           without
           warrant
           forsaid
           to
           desist
           from
           executing
           the
           office
           of
           Moderator
           .
           The
           third
           anent
           Ministers
           admitted
           since
           the
           day
           forsaid
           that
           they
           desist
           frō
           exercising
           the
           function
           of
           the
           Ministerie
           in
           that
           place
           to
           which
           they
           had
           beene
           admitted
           .
           These
           three
           particulars
           doe
           concerne
           the
           power
           ,
           duetie
           and
           particular
           facts
           or
           faults
           of
           presbyteries
           where
           in
           wee
           have
           no
           power
           to
           judge
           and
           determine
           whether
           they
           have
           lawfully
           proceeded
           or
           not
           ,
           far
           lesse
           can
           wee
           urge
           or
           command
           them
           to
           alter
           or
           recall
           what
           they
           have
           determined
           or
           done
           ,
           in
           the
           suspending
           ,
           deposing
           or
           admitting
           of
           Ministers
           or
           Moderators
           :
           they
           beeing
           properly
           subject
           to
           the
           superiour
           Assemblies
           of
           the
           Kirk
           ,
           and
           in
           this
           case
           and
           condition
           of
           the
           Kirke
           ,
           to
           the
           generall
           Assembly
           ,
           where
           if
           they
           shall
           not
           after
           tryall
           justifie
           their
           proceedings
           from
           the
           good
           warrants
           of
           Scripture
           ,
           reason
           ,
           and
           of
           the
           acts
           and
           practises
           of
           the
           Kirk
           ,
           they
           ought
           sustaine
           their
           owne
           deserved
           censure
           .
           And
           since
           upon
           the
           one
           side
           there
           be
           many
           complaints
           against
           the
           Prelates
           for
           their
           usurpation
           over
           Presbyteries
           in
           the
           like
           particulars
           :
           And
           on
           the
           other
           side
           there
           bee
           such
           complaints
           of
           the
           doings
           and
           disorders
           of
           presbyteries
           to
           the
           offence
           of
           the
           Prelats
           .
           Wee
           trust
           that
           his
           Majesties
           
           Commissioner
           will
           not
           esteeme
           this
           to
           bee
           an
           hinderance
           of
           the
           indiction
           of
           a
           generall
           Assembly
           :
           but
           rather
           a
           powerfull
           and
           principall
           motive
           with
           speed
           to
           conveen
           the
           same
           ,
           as
           the
           proper
           Iudicatorie
           for
           determining
           such
           dangerous
           and
           universall
           differences
           of
           the
           Kirke
           .
           Neither
           doe
           wee
           heare
           that
           any
           Ministers
           are
           deposed
           ,
           but
           some
           only
           suspended
           during
           this
           
             interim
             ,
          
           till
           a
           generall
           Assembly
           for
           their
           erronious
           doctrine
           and
           flagitious
           life
           :
           So
           that
           it
           were
           most
           offensive
           to
           God
           ,
           disgracefull
           to
           Religion
           ,
           and
           scandalous
           to
           the
           people
           to
           repone
           them
           to
           their
           places
           till
           they
           be
           tried
           and
           censured
           .
           And
           concerning
           Moderators
           none
           of
           them
           (
           as
           we
           understand
           )
           are
           deposed
           ,
           but
           some
           only
           changed
           ,
           which
           is
           verie
           ordinarie
           in
           this
           Kirk
           .
        
         
           The
           fourth
           ,
           anent
           the
           reparing
           of
           Parochinars
           to
           their
           own
           kirks
           ,
           &
           that
           Elders
           assist
           their
           Minister
           in
           the
           discipline
           of
           the
           Kirk
           ,
           ought
           to
           bee
           cognosced
           and
           judged
           by
           the
           particular
           Presbyterie
           to
           which
           the
           Parochiners
           and
           Elders
           are
           subject
           ,
           since
           the
           cause
           may
           bee
           in
           the
           Ministers
           no
           lesse
           than
           the
           Parochinars
           and
           Elders
           .
           And
           incase
           they
           find
           no
           redresse
           there
           ,
           to
           ascend
           till
           they
           come
           to
           a
           generall
           Assembly
           ,
           the
           want
           wherof
           makes
           disorders
           to
           be
           multiplyed
           both
           in
           presbyteries
           and
           paroches
           .
        
         
           To
           the
           sixth
           ,
           that
           Ministers
           waite
           upon
           their
           owne
           Kirks
           ,
           &
           that
           none
           of
           them
           come
           to
           the
           assembly
           or
           place
           where
           the
           same
           is
           keeped
           :
           but
           such
           as
           shall
           bee
           chosen
           Commissionars
           from
           presbyteries
           .
        
         
           Wee
           answere
           ,
           that
           none
           are
           to
           come
           to
           the
           place
           of
           the
           assembly
           ,
           but
           such
           as
           are
           either
           allowed
           ,
           by
           commission
           ,
           or
           other-wise
           have
           such
           
             interest
          
           as
           they
           can
           approve
           to
           his
           Majesties
           Commissionar
           ,
           and
           the
           Assembly
           conveened
           .
        
         
           To
           the
           seventh
           ,
           anent
           the
           appointing
           of
           Moderators
           of
           presbyteries
           to
           be
           Commissionars
           to
           the
           genertll
           assembly
           :
           only
           constant
           Moderatours
           ,
           who
           ceased
           long
           since
           ,
           were
           found
           in
           the
           assembly
           1606
           (
           which
           yet
           was
           never
           reputed
           by
           this
           Kirk
           to
           be
           a
           lawfull
           national
           assembly
           )
           to
           be
           necessarie
           members
           of
           a
           generall
           assembly
           .
           And
           if
           both
           the
           Moderators
           ,
           who
           if
           they
           bee
           necessarie
           members
           need
           not
           to
           bee
           chosen
           ,
           and
           the
           chosen
           Commissionars
           repare
           to
           the
           assembly
           :
           the
           Assembly
           it self
           can
           judge
           best
           of
           the
           members
           where-of-it
           ought
           to
           bee
           constitute
           .
        
         
           To
           the
           nynth
           ,
           that
           no
           laick
           whatsoever
           meddle
           with
           the
           choosing
           of
           Commissionars
           for
           the
           presbyteries
           ,
           and
           no
           Minister
           without
           his
           owne
           presbyterie
           :
           Wee
           say
           that
           according
           to
           the
           order
           of
           the
           Kirk
           
           none
           but
           Ministers
           and
           Elders
           of
           Kirks
           ought
           to
           have
           voice
           in
           choosing
           Commissioners
           for
           presbyteries
           :
           And
           that
           no
           Minister
           or
           Elder
           ought
           to
           have
           voice
           in
           election
           ,
           but
           in
           his
           own
           presbyterie
           .
        
         
           The
           rest
           of
           the
           particulars
           are
           civill
           matters
           ,
           as
           the
           fifth
           ,
           anent
           the
           paying
           of
           the
           rents
           and
           stipends
           of
           Bishops
           and
           Ministers
           :
           Concerning
           which
           wee
           can
           say
           no
           further
           ,
           but
           that
           the
           Lawes
           are
           patent
           for
           them
           as
           others
           his
           Majesties
           subjects
           .
           And
           that
           the
           generall
           assembly
           ought
           not
           to
           bee
           delayed
           upon
           any
           complaint
           of
           that
           kind
           .
        
         
           The
           eight
           ,
           requiring
           that
           Bishops
           and
           other
           Ministers
           may
           bee
           secured
           in
           their
           persons
           :
           Wee
           think
           so
           reasonable
           ,
           that
           we
           will
           promise
           everie
           one
           of
           us
           for
           our
           owne
           parts
           they
           shall
           suffer
           no
           violence
           from
           us
           ,
           and
           shall
           hinder
           others
           so
           far
           as
           we
           may
           ,
           and
           if
           any
           trouble
           them
           otherwise
           ,
           or
           make
           them
           any
           kind
           of
           molestation
           in
           that
           attendance
           ,
           except
           by
           order
           of
           Law
           :
           the
           parties
           are
           justly
           punishable
           according
           to
           the
           degrie
           of
           their
           fault
           as
           other
           subjects
           are
           .
        
         
           To
           the
           tenth
           ,
           concerning
           the
           dissolving
           of
           all
           convocations
           &
           meetings
           and
           the
           peaceablenesse
           of
           the
           Countrie
           :
           These
           meetings
           beeing
           keeped
           for
           no
           other
           end
           ,
           but
           for
           consulting
           about
           lawfull
           remedies
           against
           such
           pressing
           grievances
           as
           threaten
           the
           desolation
           of
           this
           kirk
           and
           State
           ,
           cannot
           be
           dissolved
           till
           the
           evills
           be
           removed
           :
           And
           we
           trust
           that
           nothing
           in
           these
           our
           meetings
           hath
           escaped
           us
           ,
           which
           carryeth
           in
           it
           the
           smallest
           appearance
           of
           undutiefullnesse
           ,
           or
           which
           may
           seeme
           to
           tend
           to
           the
           breach
           of
           the
           common
           peace
           ;
           But
           although
           our
           adversaries
           have
           heerein
           calumniated
           us
           ,
           yet
           we
           have
           alwayes
           so
           behaved
           our selves
           as
           beseemed
           his
           Majesties
           most
           humble
           and
           loyall
           subjects
           petitioning
           his
           Majestie
           for
           a
           legall
           redresse
           of
           our
           just
           grievances
           .
        
         
           To
           the
           last
           ,
           concerning
           the
           Covenant
           :
           The
           Commissioner
           his
           G.
           having
           many
           times
           and
           most
           instantly
           pressed
           us
           with
           that
           point
           .
           We
           did
           first
           by
           invincible
           reasons
           make
           manifest
           that
           we
           could
           not
           without
           sinning
           against
           God
           and
           our
           consciences
           ,
           and
           without
           wrong
           done
           to
           this
           Nationall
           Kirk
           ,
           and
           the
           posteritie
           ,
           rescind
           or
           alter
           the
           same
           .
           And
           thereafter
           did
           at
           length
           cleare
           the
           same
           of
           all
           unlawfull
           combination
           against
           authority
           by
           our
           last
           Supplication
           &
           declaration
           which
           his
           Majesties
           Commissionar
           accepted
           as
           the
           most
           readie
           and
           powerfull
           of
           all
           other
           meanes
           which
           could
           come
           within
           the
           compasse
           of
           our
           thoughts
           to
           give
           his
           Majestie
           satisfaction
           .
           The
           subscription
           of
           this
           our
           Confession
           of
           Faith
           and
           Covenant
           ,
           beeing
           an
           act
           so
           evidently
           tending
           to
           the
           glorie
           of
           God
           ,
           the
           Kings
           honor
           ,
           and
           happinesse
           of
           of
           the
           kingdome
           .
           
           And
           having
           already
           proven
           so
           comfortable
           to
           us
           in
           the
           inward
           of
           our
           hearts
           :
           It
           is
           our
           ardent
           and
           constant
           desire
           ,
           and
           heartie
           wish
           that
           both
           his
           Majestie
           ,
           and
           all
           his
           good
           Subjects
           may
           bee
           partakers
           of
           the
           same
           comfort
           :
           Like
           as
           wee
           find
           our selves
           bound
           by
           conscience
           and
           by
           the
           Covenant
           it selfe
           to
           perswade
           all
           his
           Majesties
           good
           Subjects
           to
           joyne
           with
           us
           for
           the
           good
           of
           Religion
           ,
           his
           Majesties
           honour
           ,
           and
           the
           quyetnesse
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           which
           being
           modestly
           used
           by
           us
           without
           pressing
           or
           threatning
           of
           the
           meanest
           ,
           wee
           hope
           shall
           never
           give
           his
           Majestie
           the
           least
           cause
           of
           discontent
           .
        
         
           Seeing
           therefore
           according
           to
           our
           power
           and
           interest
           we
           are
           most
           willing
           to
           remove
           all
           hinderances
           ,
           that
           thinges
           may
           bee
           carried
           in
           a
           peaceable
           manner
           worthie
           of
           our
           profession
           and
           Covenant
           ,
           doe
           ayme
           at
           nothing
           but
           the
           good
           of
           the
           Kingdome
           ,
           and
           preservation
           of
           the
           Kirk
           ,
           which
           by
           consumption
           and
           combustion
           is
           like
           to
           bee
           desperately
           diseased
           ,
           except
           remedie
           some
           way
           bee
           speedily
           provided
           ;
           and
           delight
           to
           use
           no
           other
           meanes
           but
           such
           as
           are
           legall
           ,
           and
           have
           beene
           ordinarie
           in
           this
           Kirk
           since
           the
           Reformation
           ,
           We
           are
           confident
           that
           without
           further
           delaye
           for
           preventing
           of
           greater
           evills
           and
           miseries
           than
           wee
           can
           expresse
           Our
           just
           desires
           shall
           bee
           granted
           .
           So
           shall
           we
           bee
           incouraged
           in
           the
           peace
           of
           our
           soules
           still
           to
           pray
           for
           his
           Majestie
           all
           encrease
           of
           true
           honour
           and
           happinesse
           .
        
         
           FINIS
           .