A pick-tooth for the Pope: or The pack-mans Pater Noster Set down in a dialogue, betwixt a pack-man, and a priest. Translated out of Dutch by S. I. S. and newly augmented and enlarged by his son, R. S. Sempill, James, Sir, 1566-1625. 1669 Approx. 48 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 16 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-10 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A59158 Wing S2495 ESTC R220992 99832375 99832375 36848 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A59158) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 36848) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 2058:12) A pick-tooth for the Pope: or The pack-mans Pater Noster Set down in a dialogue, betwixt a pack-man, and a priest. Translated out of Dutch by S. I. S. and newly augmented and enlarged by his son, R. S. Sempill, James, Sir, 1566-1625. Sempill, Robert, 1595?-1665? 29, [1] p. by Robert Sanders, printer to the Town, and are to be sold in his shop, Glasgow : M.DC.LXIX. [1669] Earlier published with title: The packmans pater noster, or A dialogue betwixt a chapman and a priest. Satire in verse on the Catholic liturgy; with additions by the author's son Robert Sempill. Imperfect; pages cropped, stained, with faded print and slight loss of text. Reproduction of the original in the British Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. 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Satire, English -- Early works to 1800. 2003-04 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-05 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-03 Jonathan Blaney Sampled and proofread 2005-03 Jonathan Blaney Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A PICK-TOOTH FOR THE POPE : OR THE PACK-MANS PATER NOSTER . Set down in a Dialogue , betwixt a Pack-man , and a Priest. Translated out of Dutch by S. I. S. and newly augmented and enlarged by his son R. S. This pious Poëme buy and read , For of the Pope it knocks the head , GLASGOW , By ROBERT SANDERS , Printer to the Town , and are to be sold in his Shop . M. DC . LXIX . TO THE READER . THis Present ( for the present ) I present , To you , good Reader , with my smal addition : The which , to imitate is my intent : To match , or over-match , were great-ambition : I but enlarge it , not surpass ; for neither I may , can , will , dare parallel my Father . I may not , for I cannot reach unto it : And though I could , I will not enterprise it : And though I would , could might , I dare not do it : To dare , were with disdain for to despise it . My Parents Poëme only to express , I press , of new , to put into the Press . A CONFERENCE BETWEEN A PEDLER AND A PRIEST . OR , The Pack-mans Pater noster , Which he learn'd in a Closter : Whereof he sore repented , And prayes it may be printed . Not sitting for the Schools , Yet School-master of fools . A Polands Pedler went upon a day , Unto his Parish Priest to learn to pray : The Priest said , Packman , thou must haunt the Closter , To learn the Ave , and the Pater noster . Pack-man . Now good Sir Priest , said he , What talk is that ? I hear you speak , but God in Heaven knows what . Priest. It is , said he , that holy Latine-letter , That pleaseth God well , and our Ladie better Pack-man . Alace , Sir John , I 'le never understand them , So must I leave your prayers as I fand them . Priest. Tush , tush , sayes he , if thou list for to learn The Latine prayers rightlie to discern , And sojourn but a little with me here , Within a month I shal make thee parqueer . Pack-man . Parqueer , said he , that will be but in saying : In words , not sense , a pratling , not a praying . Shal I , Sir Iohn , a man of perfect age , Pray like an idle Parret in a cage ? Priest. A Parret can but pratle for her part , But towards God hath neither hand nor heart . Pack-man . And seeing I have head and heart to pray , Should not my heart know what my tongue doth say ? For when my tongue talks , if mine heart miscary , How quickly may I mar your Ave Mary ? And I , Sir , having many things to seek , How shal I speed , not knowing what I speak ? Priest. Because that God all tongues doth understand . Yea knows thy very thoughts before the hand . Pack-man . Then if I think one thing ▪ and speak another , I will both crab Christ , and our Ladie his mother : For when I pray for making up my pack , man , Your Ave Mary is not worth a plack , man. Priest. Thy Latine prayers are but general heads , Containing every special that thou needs : The Latine serves us for a Liturgie , As Med'ciners direct the Chirurgie : And in this language Mass is said and sung : For private things pray in thy mother tongue . Pack-man . Then must I have a tongue , Sir John , for either , One for the Mother , another for the Father . Priest. Thinks thou the Mother doth not know such smal things ? Christ is her Son man , and he tells her all things . Pack-man . But good Sir John , where learnd our Lady her Latines For in her dayes were neither Mass nor Matines , Nor yet one Priest that Latine then did speak , For holy words were then all Hebrew and Greek . She never was at Rome , nor kist Popes toe ; How came she by the Mass , then would I kno ? Priest. Pack-man , if thou believe the Legendary : The Mass is elder far then Christ or Mary : For all the Patriarchs , both more and less , And great Melchisedeck himself said Mass. Pack-man . But good Sir John , spake all these Fathers Latine ? And said they Mass in Surplices and Satine ? Could they speak Latine long ere Latine grew ? And without Latine no Mass can be true . And as for Hereticks that now translate it . False miscreants , they shame the Mass ▪ and state it . Priest. Well , Pack-man , faith thou art too curious , Thy spur blind zeal , fervent , but furious : I 'd rather teach a whole Coven of Monks , Then such a Pack-man with his Puritane spunks . This thou must know , that cannot be deny'd , Rome reign'd over all when Christ was crucify'd : Rome Ethnick then , but afterwards converted . And grew so honest , and so holy hearted , That now her Emp'ror is turn'd in our Pope , His Holiness ; as you have heard , I hope . He made a Law , that all the world should pray In Latine Language to the Lord each day : And this in our Traditions you may try ; Which if you list to read , and shal espy The Pope to be Christs Vicar , sole and sure , And to the worlds end will so endure . Pack man. Surely this purpose puts me far aback , And hath mo points , then pins in all my pack ; What ever power you give to your Pope , He may not make a man an Ape , I hope . R. S. But good Sir John , before we further go , Resolve me this , since you assail me so : How , when ▪ and where this Vicarage befell Unto your Pope ? I pray you briefly tell . Priest. Know you not ? Peter when he went to Rome , He there was execute ▪ which was his doom : And in his latter will and Legacy , At Rome he left his full Supremacy Unto the Pope ; which Legacy was given By Christ to Peter , when he went to heaven . And so the Pope ( though mediatly , indeed By Peter ) Christs sole Vicar doth succeed ▪ And every Pope sensyne from race to race , Succeeds each other in the Papal place . Pack-man . By your assertion surely I perceive , You press to prove that Peter then did leave Such Legacy to those who did him murther : Think ye such fond cōceats your cause can further ? That 's but a very falsly forged fiction , And proves most for your Romish whoors cōviction . For Rome did falsly fall from Peters faith , And Burreo-like bereft him of his breath . And so your Pope doth merit no preferment . But , as an Hang-man , Peters upper garment . And still , Sir John , ye strive to play the knave ▪ Affirming falsly Peter did receive His Primacy from Christ , when thus he spoke , That he would build his Church upon that Rock ; As if on Peter Christ had only founded His holy Church for ever to be grounded : To wrest the Scripture is your whole pretence , Either into an ill or double sense ▪ Christ built his Church on Peters pure profession . And on the solide Rock of his confession ; That he was Christ , which is a firm foundation Against all Romish-Popish inundation . I sory am to see you so unwise : For Peter after that deny'd Christ thrice : Christ built his Church on faith , which byds a tryal , And not upon poor Peters thrise denyal . On this a friend of mine did make a Sonet , A pretty one , if I could light upon it : Lo here it is , and in it ye may read , How your proud Pope to Peter doth succeed . Why should profane proud Papists thus presume To say their Pope to Peter doth succeed ? Read we that Peter ( if he was at Rome ) Rode rob'd with triple crowns upon his head ? Pray'd ever Peter for the souls of dead ? Or granted pardon for the greatest sin ? How many Nunces , note we , he did need Through all the Nations that his name was in ? How many Friers had Peter , can we find , In sundry sorts so shaven with a shame ? Was ever Peter so blasphemous blind , As to take Holiness unto his Name ? The Pope succeeds to Peter in no case , But in denial , and in no divine place . R. S. Poor Peter , only thrice , did Christ deny : Once was too much : but soon he did espy How that he rashly had forsworn his Master : For which Christ shortly did apply a plaster To his sick Soul , and plac'd his grace therein , Which is the only antidote for sin . Christ turn'd and look'd on him , and was content To pardon Peter , since he did repent . But I can prove your Pope , Sir John to be Into a great deal worse estate then he : For Popes do dayly both in word and deed Deny our Lord , as after ye may read : Who derogates from Christ the full perfection Of mediation ▪ for our Souls election ; And say , his sufferings cannot satisfie For all our sins , and cure our misery : But mix their humane merite ( vile ambition ! ) The foolish brain-sick birth of mans tradition : And al 's the works of Supererogation , With Christs true merite , our sole consolation . Denyes that Christ can be his only Savior : Can ye call this a Christian-like behavior ? No , that ye cannot ▪ for we may espy all Such dealing is of Christ a flat denyal . But this your Pope doth mishently maintain , That humane merite mercy must obtain : What humane merite means , I have no skill , Go ye to Heaven by any means ye will : I hope in God that heaven I shal inherite Through Christ his only mercy-worthy merite . Your Pope denyes his Lord without repentance , For dayly profit : and draws near the sentence Of Judas case ; For when the Lord had told him He should betray him , then he shortly sold him Unto the Jews , and thirty pence did take , Too smal a sum his Savior to forsake . Yet after that he fain would have repented , But not so soon his sin he had resented : He forth-with ran in haste , and hang'd himself , Who sold his Savior for vile worldly pelf . For Judas one , each Pope may compt five hunder For every day , and do not at it wonder , Nor think him damnified by such transgression , For 't is the richest point of his profession , And is the finest feather in his wing , Which makes him loath to quite such trafficking . And so your Pope not only doth deny Christ , But Judas-like , he sels , and Papists buy Christ. Yet suffer me , Sir John , for to relate Some Orders of your Popish Roman state . First is your Pope , whom so your Clergy calls , Next him ye have your pompous Cardinalls . Your Prelats , Priests , your Priors and your Patrons , Your Monks at Mass , & Matines with your Matrōs : Your Abbots Convents , and your chaste Abesses ; Your Nunries Nuns , your painted Prioresses : Your Jebusitish Jesuits , your Friars , So ras'd with rasors , and so shaven with shears : Some of the Order of Dominican , Some of the Order of proud Franciscan . And think ye not the Romish Church doth erre , When before Christ , Saint Francis they prefer ? They make Christ ( only ) but as an Orator , But make Saint Francis only Exorator . Christ but to pray , Saint Francis to prevail , And to obtain , when Christ his prayers fail . Some of another Order are content , Call'd Capuchins , themselves for to torment , With many mo I may not now rehearse , Which would be tedious to put in verse . Search all the Scriptures through , see what it sayes ▪ If such styles were in Christs or Peters dayes . No , good Sir John , I surely do suppone , Like those you shal find either few or none . And yet , Sir John , I 'le show you what a story , Your ancient Fathers tell of Purgatory . They do affirm that Antichristian Cell , To be a place next adjacent to Hell ; Alike in pain , but not alike in case , Of the continuance of time and space : Wherein are Souls for venial sins committed : ( For satisfying mortal sins remitted : Some Souls are likewise for a time tormented ) Untill by pray'r Gods anger be relented . And the confession hereof is , as saith Your Bellarmine , a point of Catholick faith : And so must be undoubtedly believed ; Where-out , who payes most , soonest is relieved : Not by good faith , but only by good deeds , And pratling Pater nosters on their beads : By dayly sacrifices of the living , And weekly rents , and offerings largely giving : And by their publick , and proclamed alms , A silver showr that fyrie fornace calmes . And as for me , Sir John , I say no more . But this into mine heart I heap in store ; By faith in Christ Gods grace is to me given , That my Soul shortly shal ascend to Heaven . When this life ends , my ghost shal go to glory . Pocks on your presupposed Purgatory , Infantum limbus , and your Limbus Patrum , Whereout none comes , but by the preces Fratrum , ( Ye say ) and Masses said for souls departed . Whereby poor pievish peoples pelf is parted Amongst your Clergy , making them believe Their silly souls then quickly shal relieve Out of that pain : and as for them that pay most , Creeds , Avees , Paters , Mass , they pray , and say most . To make their sayings sure they cite the Scripture ; But falsely formed with a ragged rupture : Of which , if ye would surely have a sent , Read Cartwright against Rhemes New Testament . The which to prove how little they prevail , Read Doctor Mortons Protestant appeal ; Where ye shal find this purpose well disputed , And by them both right learnedly refuted . It passeth Papists power for to prove it , The more I hear , the more I loath to love it . So since , Sir John , ye have no Scripture for it , But meer alleadgences . I must abhore it : To trust such tales I shal be verie sory , I 'le go to Heaven , go ye to Purgatory . In Rome likewise to hinder fornication , Your Pope admits a great abomination ; They suffer borthels without reprehension . For augmentation of their yearly pension , Wherein for Clergy-men are Stewes allowed , For weekly payment , constantly avowed . They spare not only to exact a rent , From persons willing to live continent : Allowing them their whoors ( thus they insist ) In Stewes : where they may have them , if they list : ●or Clergy-men they suffer not to marry , Consenting to a course that 's quite contrary To Gods Law , charging his Church withall , There should not be a whoor in Israel . ●ut your Pope Adrian , for yearly fewes , ●id build in Rome ( O Rome ! ) a stately Stewes : ●ehold his godless , graceless ▪ goodless cariage : ●o build a Borthel , disanulling marriage . ●ow , were I Lay , or Church-man , by my life , I should renounce your Stewes , and take a wife . And last , your Pope , like all devouring dogs , In Rome allows the Jews their Synagogues ; Wherein our Lord and Savior Christ they curse , For yearly payment to enlarge their purse . And yet before a Jew become a Papist , Hee 'l rather quite his God , and turn an Atheist . Now what profession will they not permit , For profit in their Sodom for to sit ? Except true Protestants , most Apostolick , And pure professors , Christians Catholick : Such they will never suffer in their city , They persecute them all , and have no pity : But still pursue them both with sword and fire , Like mad-men in their fury and their ire ; And like blood-thirstie raging Lyons roaring After their preyes : like hungry Wolves devouring The blood of Saints , when they can apprehēd them I hope in God , he dayly shal defend them ; Against their Devilish desperate intentions , And their invective Jesuits inventions : And all their wicked wiles , and subtile shots , Their most abominable powder plots . See from their fountains what sweet water spring To send out tongues to kill their native Kings : Both Prince and people , to destroy they care not , Man , wife , and child to put to death they spare no Mark what a vile report Queen Katherin caries For that mad Massacre she made at Paris : Should any soul such sake-less slaughter smother , So mishently committed by her Mother ? Who sent out bloody Boutchers to cut down , The whole Protestants present in the town ; Both under trust , and under cloud of night : But I repose in Jacobs God of might , He will undoubtedly ere it be long , Both judge their cause , and eke revēge their wrong . Albeit their bones be buried in the dust , In God Omnipotent I put my trust : ( As in the sacred Fathers we do read ) The blood of Saints shal be the Churches seed . Though ye think your Profession true and pure , Had ye a spunk of grace ( Man ) I am sure , ( Hearing me make so many true relations , How Rome maintains so gross abominations ) Her devilish doctrine soon ye would despite , And questionless , her courses quickly quite . For Rome , we see , retains into her Treasure , Popes , perjury , profanity , and pleasure : Priests , Papists , Pardons , Prelates , Priors punks , Mass , matines , matrons mumbling with their Monks : Contentious Jesuits , counterfeit contrition : That hellish hole of Spanish Inquisition : Earth Epicures , equivocating elfs . Puft up with pampering pride of paltred pelfs . Terrestrial temporizers , truthless traitors ; False , fained , faithless , filthie fornicators : Unhappy hypocrites , unwholsome whoors , In beastly borthels , Babylonish bowrs . With shameless strumpets in their stinking Stewes . Invyous Jesuits , invective Jews . Equivocation , mental reservation , The devil devis'd such doctrine for damnation : They eat their God , they kill their King , they cousen Their neighbor : is not this a great abusing ? With many monstrous things I cannot name , On which to think it makes me sweat for shame : As are these Rites maintain'd in Romes theatre , And first the casting of their holy water : Their exorcisme , their images , their altars : Of crosses , cups , and pals , Popes are exalters , Of candles , and of Churches consecration , With vestments in the Church for decoration : Their hypocritical hid Hermetages , Their pennance and polluted pilgrimages : Free-will , and humane merite for offences , With jugling Jubilees and indulgences ; And of the Saints their idle invocation , And by the Pope their curst Canonization . Auricular Confession , vile pollution , And for their sins a pay'd for absolution : Their private Masses , and their murmuration , Their elevation , transubstantiation . Sir John , if ye would hear me but record , Some verses on the Supper of our Lord : It was a friend of mine to me did send them . Hee 's not a Christian will not commend them . Priests make Christs both body and soul , we need not doubt , They eat , drink , box him up , they bear about ▪ One is too little ; bread and wine Holds not him several ▪ so we dine ; Thou with thy Christ , I with mine . Is thy mouth the Virgine womb ? Is bread her seed ? Are thy words the holy Ghost ? Is this our Creed ? O presumptuous undertaker ! Never Cake could make a Baker , Yet the Priest can make his Maker . What 's become of all these Christs the Priests have made ? Do these hostes of ostes abide ? or do they fade ? One Christ abides , the rest do flie : One Christ he lives , the rest do die : One Christ is true , the rest a lie . R. S. Into the Gospel , Take ye , Eat ye , Christ saith , For which , Receive ye , Swallow ye , your Priest saith . See how by Popes the Sacraments are driven , Where Christ makes two , they ad five , so make sevē . For Baptism and the Supper of the Lord , These only two did Christ to us afford . With Christ his institution not content , To these two true , five bastards they augment . A bastards name doth duly them befit ; For they were never reabled as yet ; Nor ever shal , but still will be abhor'd , Because they have no warrant from the Lord , As Confirmation , Pennance , Extreme Unction , With Priestly Orders to adorn their function ; And Matrimony they maintain as one . But here 's a wondrous thing to think upon . How Popes do call themselves , Sorvi servorum , Yet in procession keep a strange Docorum . They tread on necks of Kings upon the street , And forcing Emperors to kiss their feet . Doth God the Father in his Law allow These vile inventions your Church doth avow ? Doth Christ his Son into his Gospel give Such wayes to walk in , such faith to believe ? Or doth the holy Ghost in us inspire ▪ More then the Law and Gospel doth require ? The Father hath prescriv'd to us a Law , To keep us in obedience and aw : And Christ his Son our Savior , did provide us His glorious Gospel always for to guide us : The holy Ghost doth from them both proceed , To guard us from our sins in time of need . If we transgress the Law of God the Father . Then neither grace nor comfort can we gather . If we believe not in his only Son , Then our belief is doubtlesly undone ; And if we breath not of the holy Ghost , Then is our labor all our life-time lost . But Gods Commandements your Kirk renverses , Some she conjoyns , and others she disperses : She trusts in Saints and Angels many one , And should trust in the Trinity alone : Wherefore Gods holy Sprit can nev'r attend her , Nor in distress or danger ev'r defend her . And though she reign a while in pompe and pride , I hope in God my good and gracious guide , To her the true Religion hee 'll advance Ere long , and bring her out of ignorance , Wherein she hath these many hundreth years Lyen wilfully , which manifest appears ▪ By her unwillingness from thence to part , She is so obdurate , and hard of heart ; So that except God by his mighty hand , Her power , her pride , and cruelty withstand , And force her from her filthiness to flie , Of errors great , and gross idolatrie : So if she follow not Christs true instruction , I fear her final dangerous destruction : Which God forbid : I hope in his own time . Hee 'll both forgive , and purge her of all crime . Heard ever ye , Sir John , a purpose quicker , To prove the Pope to be Christs only Vicar ? S. I. S. And though he were full Vicar to our Lord , Should not his words and Christs keep one accord ? Priest. Doubtless they do , and never are contrary , In Pater noster , Creed , nor Ave Mary . Pack-man . But Christs Disciples when they made their motion To Christ their Master , how to make devotion ? As I have done to you , Sir John , to day , I pray you , in what tongue bade he them pray ? Christ did not one word Latine to them speak : Their talk was all in Syriack , Hebrew , Greek . He bade all Nations pray after one manner : But bade not all take Latine for their Banner . Your Latine is but one of the Translations : Why should it then exclude all other Nations ? And on my soul ▪ Sir John , if I but say , In mine own Mother tongue , when I do pray : Lord , help me , Lord , forgive me all my sins : Yea , why not , Lord , increase my pack and pins . And every thing whereof I stand in need : For this depends upon our dayly bread : I hope in God , to reap more comfort herein , Then Latine ye would make me so parquier in . And since some tongues have more antiquity Then Latine , were it not iniquity To force all people to pray like the Pope ? No , good Sir John , yee 'l not say that I hope . Priest. But Pack-man , one point would I fain make plain , Let us come back to our Ladie again : And if thou had as much capacity , As raving wit , with great audacity , The case is clear , that Virgine Mary meek , She could all languages perfitely speak . Hast thou not heard , man ▪ how the holy Ghost Came down like cloven tongues at the Pentecost , And fild the house where all the twelve were ready , And one tongue truely lighted on our Lady ? And lest thou think I talk of idle themes , Consult the reverend Jesuits of Rhemes : I pray thee , Pack-man , earnestly this note . Pack-man . In faith , Sir John , it is not worth a groat . Will I believ 't , think ye , because they say it ? Priest. No : but they prove 't , as no man can deny it . Saith not the Text , that when the Lord ascended , Unto the twelve he earnestly recommended , That from Jerusalem they should not go , Until the Comforter should come : and so Into an upper room they went together , Where Marie still was one , ye must consider . With many mo in number full six score , That with the twelve did dayly God adore : And then he saith , when Pentecost was come , They were together in one place , all , and some , And ( all ) were filled with the holy Ghost . Pack-man . O good Sir John , ye count without your host . Now I see well your Iesuitical tongues Have cloven the Text even to the very lungs : That ( all ) which first was spoken of six score , Is here meant of the only twelve , no more . Nor Mary is not named now , as than : What need I then believe it , holy Man ? On with your spectacles , Sir John , and read , And credit this as a point of your Creed : The holy Ghost could fall upon no more Then he was promised unto before . Doubtless he took not a blind-folded flight , Like fyled Larks , not knowing where to light . Now he was promis'd only to the twelve , Look on the text , Sir John , and judge your selve . Speak man , and be not silent : I am sorie , To see you ignorant of such a storie . And as the stories in themselves are divers , Flowing and falling into sundrie rivers ; In divers chapters so they stand divided , So that the case may clearly be decided . For when these six score was at first conveened , There was another mysterie then meaned ; To wit , Matthias free election , And so Saint Peter gave direction , That ( all ) the six score there should bear record Of their proceedings then before the Lord : The choosing of a Pastor was in hand , Which if the Church allow not , cannot stand : And so Matthias , through the power of Heaven , By lot was held as one of the eleven . Then sayes the text , all these were still together : What all these were , let any man consider . The twelve , say I , in the last verse before ; And not make Leap-year of eleven verse more , To draw all back to these hundred and twentie : Indeed this way we should have tongues in plenty : And as they differ by twelve verse or lines , So are they ten dayes different in times : The first upon the day when Christ ascended , The other when the holy Ghost descended : Such glazen arguments will bide no hammer , For they are but ill Logick , and worse Grammer . So only twelve receiv'd the holy Ghost , And so our Ladie all her tongues hath lost . Now for the holy Ghost it 's truly tryed , His coming down is unto no law tyed , Sometimes invisible , and sometimes seen , As diversly at divers times hath been . His coming needs but to be seen offew , His works may serve for witnesses anew ; And so Saint Paul himself I understand , But privatly by Ananias hand . And so , Sir John , to show you all my pack , And let you see my breast as well as back ; I wonder ye consider not the end , Why God the holy Ghost in tongues did send : Know ye not , Tongues were only given for teaching ? Know ye not , women are forbidden preaching ? Yea scarce at home have liberty of speach , But ask their husbands , and they for to teach . Since women then in Gods word may not walk , What should they do with tōgues that may not talk ? And then , Sir John , what worship do ye win , Unto our Ladie , when ye bring her in Iack-fellow-like with other whole six score , Who got the holy Ghost , and she no more ? And where the Pope hath made her queen of heavē Ye make her but like one of the eleven : Surely , Sir John , this is an ill favour'd fitching ; Ye thrust her from the Hall down to the kitching And this is also one of the rare Themes , Held by your reverend Iesuits of Rhemes ; That Latine came not with the holy Ghost , When the cloven tongues came at the Pentecost . Now , if it came not by the holy Ghost , Whence is this holyness whereof ye boast , That in it onlie , and none other tongue , Both Mass and Matines must be said and sung ▪ Your last refuge will be unto the Pope : So knit up altogether in one rope . Then , good Sir John , consider but a little , How ye gave unto Marie many a tittle . Whereof ye have no warrand in the Word ; And yet pursue us both with fire and sword , As Hereticks , for not doing as ye do : Yet what the Word bids , and no more , that we do . Think ye that any man can be so mad . As to hold Christ his Savior ; and so bad , As to hold Marie for his Saviors Mother , And not to love her still above all other ? We love her then , though we believe not in her . Nor by will-worship think we for to win her . We hold her blessed , for Christs flesh conceiving . But far more blessed , for Christs faith receiving : She is his Mother , and the Church his Wife ▪ Which was to him more dearer then his life . So , if the one could fall out with the other , He would respect his Wife , more then his Mother : For this is every Spouses carriage , But most in this spiritual Marriage . And as she 's Mother of his humane life . She 's but a Daughter of his heavenly Wife ▪ And by his Mother , member of Christs body : Who thinks not so , is but a very Noddy . All this , Sir John , I do but briefly say . To let you see , that ye play us foul play . Priest. Well , Pack-man , though thou bear about that trunk . 〈◊〉 fear thou be but some foreloppin Monk. Of Luthers lore , or crooked Calvins crew . And sent abroad , such business to brew : Transformed in the person of some Pedler . Pack-man . Now , good Sir John , in faith I am no medler , Nor have I mind , nor means so high to mount ▪ 〈◊〉 can but read a little , and lay a count , And seek my meat through many an unknown Maison . 〈◊〉 know not what ye call your Kyrie-Laison : ●o help me God , Sir John , I know no better , Nor in your Latine can I read one letter . I but believe in God , and sometimes say , Christ help me , when I wander out the way . Priest. R. S. I pray thee , Pack-man , this much for to tell me , Since thou presumes so far for to excell me . Were 't not a very reasonable thing : If one were going to an earthly King , To get forgiveness for some great transgression , That he should shortly sute the intercession Of some great Favorite , and he for to pass To purchase pardon for his high trespass ; And not the guilty person to proceed Presumptuously before the King to plead ; But use his moyen by his Highness Minion . Pack-man . Sir John , that motion is not worth an Onion . What if the King shal hear the poor mans sute , Should he stand silent , as if he were mute ? No : he should prostrate , lay his fault before him , And he himself for pity should implore him : For intercessors ofttimes lurks and lingers , Except the pleaders largely fill their fingers . There is a Proverb in the Scottish lawes , A man , a Lyon is , in his own cause . Though great abuses be in earthly things , We must not so abuse the King of Kings . Such idle tales my mind doth much molest . Priest. I pray thee , Pack-man , hear me out the rest : And so this present purpose to conclude , Would ye think any man should be that rude , To pray to God , without Saints mediation ? It would be thought a great abomination : The heavens such hainous pride hath ay abhor'd , So proudly to compear before the Lord. Such great presumption God will surely punish ; That 's not the way his fault for to diminish ; He must implore our blessed Ladies aide , Then she should show her Son what he hath said , And so command him go unto his Father , That for his sute some comfort he may gather : Or else he must employ some Saint or Angel. Pack-man . Such words I find not in the Evangel . Surely , Sir John , such sayings are but idle : Such blasphemy is not in all the Bible : To trust your words , or Pauls , now tel me whether ? Priest. Reject them , if they jump not just together . Pack-man . And so I shal : for I can let you see In Pauls Epistle unto Timothie . He plainly sayes , There is one God , and than , One Mediator between God and man. This same is He , which is the man Christ Jesus , And he from death to life can only raise us : Since he redeem'd us , as our elder brother . Pray as ye please , I 'll never seek another . R. I. S. And so what e're I have , what e're I want , I neither pray to He , nor to she Saint . And as for tongues , I have but one , no more ; And wit ye well , albeit I had ten score , I would use all conform to Pauls commanding , Pray with my tongue , pray with my understanding . Think ye these twelve , when they receiv'd these tongues , Did talk like Parrets , or like barrel bungs , Yeelding a sound , not knowing what they said ; Idle in preaching , idler when they pray'd ? No : each of them knew well what he did say ▪ And why not we , Sir John , as well as they ? For since all men have one tongue at command . Should we seek tongues we do not understand ? Alace , Sir John , had I been train'd at school , As I am but a simple ignorant fool , An hundred questions more I might have moved ; But here I cease , fearing to be reproved : For these few doubts I learn'd in diverse places , Thinking the Clergy-men would clear all cases . Priest. Now , Pack-man , I confess thou puts me to it , But one thing I will tell thee , if thou 'lt do it ; Thou shalt come to our holy Prior , Pack-man , And he , perhaps , will buy all on thy back , man ; And teach thee better how to pray then any , For such an holy man there are not many . Be here to morrow , just 'tween six and seven , And thou wilt find thy self half way to heaven . Pack-man . Content , quoth I , but there is something more , I must have your opinion in before . In case the holy Prior have no leasure , To speak of every purpose at our pleasure : There was but one tongue at the birth of Abel , And many at the building up of Babel : A wicked work which God would have confoūded , But when Christ came all tongues again resounded , To build his Church by his Apostles teaching , Why not in praying , as well as in preaching ? Since prayer is the true and full perfection Of holy service : saving your correction : So if our Lord to mine own tongue be ready , What need I then with Latine trouble our Lady ? Or if both these my prayers must be in , I pray thee , tell me at whom to begin ? And to pray joyntly to them both as one , Your Latine prayers then are quickly gone : For Pater noster never will accord With her , nor Ave Mary with our Lord. If I get him , what need I seek another ? Or dare he do nothing without his Mother ? And this , Sir John , was once in question , Disputed long with deep digestion , Whether the Pater noster should be said To God , or to our Ladie , when they pray'd ? When Master Mare of learn'd Diversitie , Was Rector of our University : They sate so long , they cooled all their kail , Until the Master Cook heard of the tale , Who like a mad-man ran amongst the Clergie , Crying with many a Domine me asperge : To give the Pater noster to the Father , And to our Ladie give the Avees rather ; And like a Welsh-man swore a great Saint Davies , She might content Her well with Creeds & Avees : And so the Clergie fearing more confusion , Were all contented with the Cooks conclusion . Priest. Pack-man , this Tale is coyned of the new . Pack-man . Sir John , I 'll quyte the pack , if 't be not true . Again , Sir John , ye learned Monks may read . How Christ himself taught us of his own head , That every soul that was with sin opprest , Should come to him , and he would give them rest . Come all to me , saith he , not to another . Come all to me , saith he , not to my Mother ▪ And if I do all as Christ did command it , I hope her Ladiship will not withstand it . And so , Sir John , if I should speak in Latine Unto the Lord , at Even-song and at Matine , And never understand what I were saying , Think ye the Lord would take this for true praying ? No : that ye cannot ; for ye may consider , My tongue and heart should pray to God together . And hereupon ye shal hear what befell To certain Clerks , that Latine well could spell : With whom , by chance , I lodged at an Inne , Where an old wife upon a rock did spin : And towards evening she fell to and pray'd , But neither they , nor I , knew what she said . One said , the Carling counterfeits the Canting . Another said , it 's but the Matrons manting . Some call'd it Gibbers , others call'd it Clavers , But still the Carling speaks , and spins , and slavers . Now good Sir John , what think ye of this Hussie ? Where was her heart , when her hands were so busie ? In end , one said , Dame , wot ye what ye say ? No , not , saith she , but well I wot I pray . Ye pray , said he , and wots not what ? I grant . Alace , how can ye be so ignorant ? The Matrone musing little at the motion , Said , Ignorance is mother of devotion . Then Dame , said he , if Ignorance be the mother , Darkness must be the daughter , and none other . Pray'd ye , said he , when all the time ye span ? What reck of that ? said she , God's a good man , And understands all that I say in Latine , And this I do at Even-song and at Matine . Alace , Sir John , was not this wife abused , Whose soul and senses all were so confused ? Ye know these unknown tōgues can profit no man ▪ And one tongue is enough for any woman . But when one prayes in true sincerity . As God commands , in Sprit and Verity ; The heart sends up the tongue as messenger Unto the Lord a pleasant passenger . Priest. But pack-man , here 's a prettie little book , Wherein if thou wilt listen for to look , Set out by a true Catholick Divine , And out of doubt will settle thine ingine . Faith , read it , Pack-man , for it is but little . The gadge of the new Gospel is it's tittle . He clearly proves by Zacharies example , When he did sacrifice within the Temple , And all the people stood and pray'd without , They knew not then what tongue he spak , no doubt : Ergo the Mass may both be said and sung In other language then the mother tongue . Pack-man . Sir John , I see your holy Catholick , Upon the truth , hath put a pretty trick . Have ye not heard this proverb oftimes sounded , Homo qui malè audit malè rounded ? So if the people heard not what he said , How could they know in what language he prayd ? Since understanding cometh by the ear , He cannot understand that doth not hear . Or how proves this that Zacharie the Priest Spake Latine , then the language of the Beast ? Were Liturgies under the Law , but so In such a tongue that all the Jews did know ? What e'er he spake , himself sure understood it : And so your Catholick did ill conclude it : Because a learned Priest may pray in Latine , And mumble o'er his Even-song , Mass and Matine . Ergo a Pack-man to the Lord may pray , And never know a syllabe he doth say : For when you put me to my Pater noster , I seek an egge , and ye give me an oster . And so , Sir John , I have given you a wadge , That 's good enough for your new Gospel gadge . Last , since we say that God is good to speak to . Who will both hear our text , and hear our eke to : What if he answer me in the Latine tongue Wherein I pray , and wherein Mass is sung ? I must say , Lord , I wot not what thou sayest . And hee 'l say , Fool , thou wots not what thou prayest . Even , Lord , say I , as good Sir John did teach me . Sir John , saith he , a Priest unmeet to preach me . Or in your mishent mouths once for to name me : With different tongues and hearts , such Jock , such Jamie . For though I know mo tongues then ye can tell , False knaves , should ye not understand your sell ? Gave I not you a tongue as well as heart , That both to me should play an a-fold part ? But like two double devils ye have dissembled . At this Sir John , he quaked , and he trembled , And said , good Pack-man , thou art so quick witted , Unto the Prior all must be remitted . And so the Pack-man past unto his lodging . Having within his heart great grief and grudging : Sometimes he doubted if the Monks were men , Or Monsters , for his life he could not ken : He said , Sir John was a fair fat fed Ox. Sometimes he said , he looked like John Knox. But Knox was better verst into the Bible , A studie that Sir John held very idle : They dyve not deep into Divinity . And trouble them little with the Trinity . And are more learned in the Legendarie , In lives of Saints , and of the Lady Marie : The only Idole they embrace and kiss A , Is to prove servants unto Mistress Missa . With such conceats the Pack-man past the night ▪ With little sleep , until it was day light . And by the peep of day he early rose , And trim'd him finely in his holy-days hose : And to Sir Johns own chamber straight he went , Who was attending : So with one assent , They hyed them to the Prior both in haste , To whom Sir John began to give a taste Of all the questions that had past amongst them . He call'd them Hereticks both , and vow'd to hang them . With that the Pack-man hurled through the Closter , And there he met with an ill favour'd Foster ; Who quickly twind him , and all on his back : And then he learn'd to pray , Shame fall the Pack : For if they have not ●red me of my sin , They sent me lighter out then I came in . And still he cry'd , Shame fall both Monks and Fryars : For I have lost my Pack , and learn'd no Prayers . So farewell Ave , Creed , and Pater noster : I 'le pray'n my mother tongue , and quite the Closter . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A59158-e280 Alexan. Sempil .