The shipwrack of all false churches: and the immutable safety and stability of the true Church of Christ. Occasioned: by Doctour Chamberlen his mistake of her, and the holy scriptures also, by syllogising words, to find out spirituall meanings, when in such cases it is the definition, not the name, by which things are truly knowne. Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A85548 of text R207205 in the English Short Title Catalog (Thomason E674_21). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). 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A85548) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 118541) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 103:E674[21]) The shipwrack of all false churches: and the immutable safety and stability of the true Church of Christ. Occasioned: by Doctour Chamberlen his mistake of her, and the holy scriptures also, by syllogising words, to find out spirituall meanings, when in such cases it is the definition, not the name, by which things are truly knowne. Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. [4], 24 p. Printed, and are to be sold by G. Calvert, at the West End of Pauls, and J. Hancock in Popes-head-Alley, London : 1652. Attributed to John Graunt. A reply to an untraced tract by Peter Chamberlen. Annotation on Thomason copy: "August. 31.". Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng Chamberlen, Peter, 1601-1683. Religion -- Early works to 1800. Clergy -- England -- Early works to 1800. Theology -- Early works to 1800. A85548 R207205 (Thomason E674_21). civilwar no The shipwrack of all false churches: and the immutable safety and stability of the true Church of Christ.: Occasioned: by Doctour Chamberle Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. 1652 16617 38 0 0 0 0 0 23 C The rate of 23 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-11 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2008-06 John Pas Sampled and proofread 2008-06 John Pas Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE SHIPWRACK OF ALL False Churches : AND The Immutable Safety and Stability of the true Church of CHRIST . Occasioned : By DOCTOUR CHAMBERLEN His mistake of her , and of the Holy Scriptures also , by Syllogising words , to find out Spirituall Meanings , when in such cases it is the Definition , not the Name , by which things are truly knowne . Jer. 9. Trust not in lying words , saying the Temple of the Lord , the Temple of the Lord , &c. Psal. 87. 2. The Lord loveth the Gates of Sion more then all the dwellings of Jacob . Matth. 12. 36 , 37. But I say unto you , That every idle word that men shall speake , they shall give account thereof in the day of Judgement . For by thy words thou shalt be justified , and by thy words thou shalt be condemned . LONDON : Printed , and are to be sold by G. Calvert , at the West End of Pauls , and J. Hancock in Popes-head . Alley . 1652. To the Church of Christ at London , Beloved of God , called by the Spirit , to be Saints in Christ Jesus . All grace be multiplyed . FAITHFULL FRIENDS ; IN love to you and the Truth , I have undertaken in your Cause , and in the right of you all , to discover a counterfeit Friend , whom I lately met with , that did aver to my selfe , and to others of your society ▪ That , to be your state and condition , your devotion , fruit , and manifestation , which upon triall proved no better then carnall and sensuall . And having received perfect knowledge of you by the same spirit that doth make and constitute you , I could not keep silence , but instantly reproved him openly : yet notwithstanding that publick disclaim I made of what he said , he hath since printed that which he then verbally avouched , which is so unsavory , and to your holy and pure nature so contrary . From which aspersion to free you , I have made bold to declare and make knowne your holy and spirituall birth , life , constitution , fellowship , communion , hope , and worship , in the purity and spirituall part of Gods Ordinances : your divine communion with the Father , and with the Son , in the Spirit , your righteous Garments without you , and Gods habitation , with his comfortable refreshments within you , your peculiar treasures and priviledges in knowing the Truth , and the Administration of it also , the heavenly power you have with Christ , and what it is indeed to be gathered together in his name , and how clear and intire you stand distinct from all other Churches that boldly call themselves by your Titles and Appellations , and lay claim to your own immunities , and priviledges also , with such particular Letters that have passed interchangeably between us , touching the vindication of you in the premises , who am the Lords and yours , In all humble Service , In the Truth . J. G. Bucklersbury , the 25th of June , 1652. SIR ; I Have twice borne your contemptuous slightings , although what I moved was seasonable , both for Gods glory , and the present occasion . And had not earnest businesse caused my long absence from London , you should have heard of me before this time , to have required an account concerning your great seemings to no purpose . Sir , As there was in times past an outward appearance , that was not righteous , so there is still in this present time , which was as much manifested by your selfe in those Arguings , where I was with you at Mr Webbs , as ever heretofore by any of your Generation . Now since my returne to London , I have seen you have printed a Monument of your owne weaknesse , which except you repent of , will unavoydably redound to your great prejudice , and if you will give me satisfaction in the two particulars I reproved you in , well ; if not , I shall publish not only my reproofe of those two Arguments , but of every thing else you then spake of , and since have printed ; this is the mind of him that answered your uncivill questions , what he was that spake , and how in profession , where for habitation , and his distinction for nomination , who then told you he was alwayes ready to meet you at any time to discover the fallacy of your Baptisme and Church also . Subscribing my Name as it is , John Graunt , Dwelling as abovesaid , at the signe of the halfe Moon . London , the 9th of July , 1652. Sir ; THe last Month I gave you to understand of your incivility towards me , intimating the time and place also ; and because your regardlesnesse is still continued , I thought good the second time to write , although you denyed me to speak , once and againe , and to let you to know that there is not a more certaine time of sinning against God , his truth , and children , then of suffering for wronging them . For he that affirms , that to be the Church of Christ that is not , wrongs the Lord the Husband , and his holy Spouse also . And he that gives any other meaning of the Scripture , then what the holy Ghost intendeth , hurts and wounds the truth of Gods testimonies , and his Children also . Now the truth is , thou art the man that hast blasphemed the Tabernacle of God , and them that dwell therein , affirming her to be untempered morter , and fading ▪ that is true , dureable , & everlasting . And that to be the meaning of Christ , Mat ▪ 16. 17. and the Apostle , Rom. 10. 9 ; 10. which was never meant nor intended by them . Sir , you did not consider the Scriptures when you read them , if you had , you might have discerned the meaning otherwise then that you have there declared : and if it be possible , look on the Text with a single eye , and then you may perceive more then yet you have , for this is a spirituall Scripture , and none but spirituall eyes can discern it . In the letter it runs thus , upon Peters confession . Thou art Christ ; the Son of the living God . Jesus answered and said unto him , Blessed art thou Simon , &c. For flesh and bloud hath not revealed this unto thee , but my Father which is in Heaven . You see the Lord pronounces him blessed , because he was one that the Lord had inspired , taught , and instructed ; that it was not Peters confession as he was a naturall , but as he was a spirituall man , and so uttered from the Spirit of adoption , as in another place the same Apostle speaking to the same purpose , We beleeve and are sure that thou art that Christ , the Son of the living God . And as in the foregoing words he calls him Lord , saying , Whether shall we goe , thou hast the words of Eternall life . Again , consider the terms he useth ▪ We beleeve and are sure ; this sure and stedfast Faith is that Faith which ●●y had that received him , that is , that loved , understood , and obeyed him , To whom he gave the priviledge of Sonship , even them that beleeve on his name , And then he shewes what manner of men they are in these words , Which were borne ( saith he ) not of blood , nor of the will of the flesh , nor of the will of man , but of God : so then this blessed confession is from a blessed man , a regenerated man , the Confession of a Child of the Covenant , as the Apostle Paul in the other place saith , speaking in the meaning of the Lord , The word is nigh thee ( saith he ) even in thy mouth , and in thy heart : That is ( or this is ) the word of faith which we preach , the word or Covenant of Promise : That is , whoever by vertue of the New Covenant , the Word or Statute of life , the Covenant of Grace , shall be born again , and shall Beleeve in his heart , and confesse with his mouth , the Lord Jesus , as before is shewed , he shall be saved , for such a one is the Child of salvation . Now Doctour , see how you have wronged these Scriptures by making the first a ground of a long discourse of Philosophy , in declaring to the people how in the improvement of naturall Faculties , first the Judgement is informed , then the Will consenteth , and accordingly the Affections are exercised . I tell you the truth Doctour , I was ashamed of your Doctrine , and that made me speak , though you returned me a scoffe . And when your wisdom led you to shew us the meaning of the Apostles tearms ( Believing and Confessing ) by a Sillogisme without distinguishing the meanings that were of divers significations in the Word of God , I was so bold as to tell you before all the people your Argument was fallacious , and tended to deceive , because the tearms were dubious : and then you scorn'd and despis'd me again . And according to these corrupt Expositions , are all the rest of your Arguings , whereof , except you prevent me by your speedy repentance , I shall make a publick Anatomy to the view of the World , and Subscribe my Name Your Friend , John Graunt . SIR , I Received a thing subscribed with your Name , full of Basket-hilted words and quarrelsome phrases , to provoke me to a challenge ( as I suppose ) about Mr Cranfords Dispute at Mr Webbs ; and in Justification of your uncivill behaviour there , which not I , but your own party rebuked . The businesse concerns Mr Cranford , and how you should come to interest your selfe in it , I know not . If Mr Cranford be pleased to resigne it to you under his hand , I shall accept it . If any thing else lye upon your stomach , you may signifie what it is , and you need not doubt of a reasonable Answer from June 30. 1652. Peter Chamberlen . London , th●●● of July , 1652. SIR , YEsterday I received a Letter from you , dated June 30. 1652. which Antedated the last from me of the 3d Instant , which had you seen before you had written this , I suppose your mind would not have been as here is expressed , for therein you might have understood no carnall quarrelling , nor provocation to fleshly challenges , nor vaine and uncivill expressions of basket hilted words , nor any private naturall mans suppositions , but a clear , plain , and earnest contention for the doctrine of faith once delivered to the Saints , clearly discovered , and not dissembled , nor counterfeited ; minding more the spirit of faith , by which Gods Servants are inabled to speak then this or that mans busines . And a Child of truth that hath his right or interest therein , they hear , they receive , they understand , they beleive the voyce of their shepheard , but a strangers voyce they will not , they cannot , they may not hear and receive : and of the same nature was yours , as I have signified twice before . At this time , I shall deal only with you , I speak not of others , and mind no such resignation as you speak of , but a vindication of the truth of God , from you withholding it in unrighteousnesse , and pray for your repentance , to become truths Friend ; truly and plainly to distinguish between Divinity and Philosophy ; and of terms also , to preserve differing proprieties , and the contrary lyes on my stomach undigested . Yours , John Graunt . SIR , THe last night late , I met with a more civill Letter of yours , and surely therein you shall not outdoe me . Wherefore now , taking all your a Reproaches of me , as done out of Zeal and Conscience , I can willingly passe them by , and endeavour to satisfie you in whatsoever you may make a scruple ▪ ( as far as the Lord shall enable me . ) In your Letter July 2d you say he that affirmeth that to bee the Church of Christ which is not , wrongs the Lord , &c. And he that gives any other meaning of the Scripture then what the holy Ghost intendeth , hurts and wounds the truth of Gods Testimony , &c. To both these I b assent . Let us therefore see whether I be the man that have blasphemed ( as ye say ) and I shall not dare to maintain it ; I shall also desire you in the like candour to lay these Rules to heart , and examine your selfe . You say I affirm her that is True , Durable , and everlasting , to be fading , and framed with untempered morter ; and that to be the meaning of Christ ▪ Matthew 16. 17. and of the Apostle , Rom. 10. 9 , 10. which was never meant , nor intended by them , which if I were guilty of , I confesse your accusation Just . Let us therefore speak of them both apart . First of the first , wherein we must first endeavour to bring your words to your meaning , or your meaning to your words . For if it c relate unto the first Rules set down , it is a kind of contradiction . The Rule intimating the making of a false Church to appear as a true : the other , the making of a true Church to be as a false . But if you mean two severall things , then I suppose your rule would infer an imputation on me of having maintained our Church to be the Church of Christ , which you say is not so , and your Church not to be the Church of Christ , which neverthelesse is so . For ( surely ) you mean not that ever I affirmed the Church of Christ to be fading , and framed with untempered morter , but rather that such Churches which were so fading , and framed with untempered morter , are not the Churches of Christ . Now that whereby we aver our selves to be the true Church of Christ , is by keeping the d pure Ordinances of Christ , according to his word ; and if you think otherwise , you should instance in any perticular . On the other side , we say that yours is not the true Church of Christ , because you keep not the true Ordinances of Christ according to his word . And we instance in Baptisme , and the Lords Supper , and could instance in more . Now this we doe not for any Spleen or Malice , ( for I say the same things to my best Friends ) but that I might provoke you and them to examine your selves exactly by the Word of God , and forsake the Traditions of men . As to the Scriptures mentioned , Mat. 16. 17. The word it seems saith it was the Father that revealed it to Peter , and not e flesh and blood , which thing I brought to prove that the knowledge of Truth commeth not by Flesh and Bloud , but by Revelation from God . And Rom. 10. 9. & 10. was no whit clouded or disparaged by the Philosophicall Discourse of f Experience ( as you suppose ) since David ( Psal. 19. & 104. &c. ) and Christ himselfe is full of excellent Philosophy , both morall and naturall ( Mat. 5. 6. 7. Chap. 5. ) and all throughout the Gospel . So Paul ( Acts 14. 17. ) &c. Be not offended at Philosophy ( which is the work and providence of God ) unlesse it be vaine Philosophy , which is against God . If any of my Syllogisms were fallacious , surely you were more quick then Mr Cranford , and all the Schollars there to discerne it , and truly know it better then my selfe : for I know of none , nor meant none , shew it , and I shall amend it . Your last Letter from John 10. 5. I confesse in all senses true ; and whosoever is but taught of man is but mans sheep . Whether any pretend to be mine or Mr Cranfords , they have nothing to boast of . But if I speak the words of Christ , in the power of Christ , it is no more I , but Jesus Christ that dwelleth in me . And g then they that hear not me , hear not him that sent me . Thus you see how large a Letter I have written to you , in love unto the truth , and compassion to your soule , that you may know me to be Your true Freind in the Lord , Peter Chamberlen . NOw the reason why I doe not answer this last Letter of the Doctours in a private way as he sent it me , is , because he hath so boldly and publickly wronged the truth , that she hath no way to be righted and relieved , but by publick reparation . And if I should reprove all I know of the Gentleman , both old and new , some other things would fall in with my pens reprehension also . But we will lay aside all these and many more , till another opportunity , and now proceed to the tryall of his Syllogismes . THE Shipwrack of all False Churches . AND The Immutable Safety and Stability of the true Church of CHRIST . THE Disputes and Arguings of Dr Chamberlen , March 1. 1651. which are since published , and as he saith , for the satisfaction of all that love the truth , but tendeth wholly contrary thereunto ; and it is so far from being justified , that it is condemned by all the Children of Wisdome , as I shall shew plainly , and that from his owne printed Papers , gathering these three Conclusions out from amongst abundance of unsound positions , vain repetitions , and absurd inferences ; and although he hath scattered them up and down , yet we will orderly reduce them , and Quaerie . 1. What he saith of the Church of Christ . 2. Of the Ordinances . And , 3. Of the Ministry thereof . And this shall be my method with Gods helpe . 1. I will shew how the Doctour in all these particulars misseth the truth , and then I will manifest and confirm the truth it selfe , as the Scriptures doe determine of all and each respectively . In the 20●h page of his Book of Vaine Syllogismes , he hath these words , Dr Chamberlen here took liberty to make a short Discourse concerning the Church , which indeed is very much and large , but to little purpose ; and therein declareth himselfe not to be acquainted with true Divinity ; for what are all Heathenish or carnall Christian Assemblies , to the Congregation of Christs Members , which are his Church , or the multitudes of carnall Christians , in their devotion and worship , in the litterall , externall Ordinances , and yet notwithstanding be a sinfull Nation , a people laden with iniquity , a seed of evill doers , children that are corrupters , such as in heart have forsaken the Lord , and have provoked the Holy One of Israel to anger , and are gone astray backward , that is , have estranged , alienated , or separated themselves from God , through their impenitency and hardnesse of heart , notwithstanding all their pretence of outward sanctity in Externall Ordinances and Church Discipline , where there is no such thing at all in truth and in sincerity , although drawne out from others into seperated Congregations , according to the traditions of mens devices , filling themselves with the old wine of harisaicall righteousnesse . And although among other Churches , the Doctour is pleased to affirm , that the Church of Christ comprehendeth all the Saints , but in that he sheweth not his ▪ meaning what a Saint is , he thereby cleareth not himselfe from being ignorant thereof , forasmuch as Antichrist himselfe gives the Title of Saints to his ungodly Church also . But if the Doctour would have edified the Congregation , he should in the first place have distinguished between the true Church , and all such as are false , by a right definition , and description of the Saints and true Church of Christ , from all others that assume to take upon them her Name , and yet are ignorant of her Nature , which he wholly omitting , hath lost his labour , and rendered himselfe unwise to the Children of wisdome . And for wanting better principles , in his Premises , he makes his conclusion as equally corrupt in these words , page 21. The Church of Christ , saith he , is then , and so long the Church of Christ , as she saith and doth what Christ gave her to say and doe , even as Christ himselfe . By which saying he maketh the being and continuance of the Church to depend on her own obedience ; and for proof thereof , quo●es John 7. 17. & 8. 26 28. & 14. 10. 24. & 5. 19 , 20. and concludeth thus , and when she saith or doth otherwise , she speaketh , or playeth the Harlot in that particular . Which is not the doctrine of the spirit of Christ , but of the spirit of Antichrist : For the Doctour makes the Church to be her owne Keeper , but the spirit of God saith , the Lord is the shepheard and keeper of her . The Spirit of Christ saith , she is chast and undefiled , the Doctour on the contrary affirmeth she may play the whore , and be a Harlot . The Spirit saith , she is led into all truth , that she is the ground ▪ pillar , and upholder of it , and so impregnable that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against her , that every member is living , every stone precious . But on the contrary , the Doctour saith , she is mutable , and so changeable , as that she may say and doe contrary to it , that leads her , that guides her , that speaks in her . Oh miserable doctrine , and no lesse miserable are those that receive it ; for if the blind lead the blind , they will both fall into the ditch , yet the Doctour would have the people beleive he is not blind , but seeth ; and therefore quotes many Scriptures to prove it , as are before mentioned , which being the letter of the Text , without any exposition , we will examine the meaning thereof . Our Lord being at Jerusalem , at the Feast of Tabernacles , the Jewes , saith the Text , marvelled concerning him and his Doctrine ; some said he was a good man , others , that he deceived the people ; but Jesus answered . My doctrine is not mine , but his that sent me , and so adviseth them how they might have benefit by it . If any man will doe his will , he shall know of the doctrine whether it be of God , or whether I speak of my selfe , where there is not one word of the Church of Christ ; for they that doe not obey his will , are not his Church , nor any other title to the Doctours purpose . In the second place , he continues his speech to his persecuting enemies , which I hope upon second thoughts he doth not understand to be his Church . In the third place , he graciously informs and confirms his faithfull servant Phillip , in the Mystery of his Divinity , as of his Humanity , and that his words are the works of God ; but not a word in the Doctours meaning . And in the 24. verse , as he speaks of them that love him , so he speaks of them that hate him , whom to affirme to be his Church , is to blaspheme her . And in the last place , John 5. 19 , 30. the Lord speaks of himselfe as distinguishable from the Father , and also declareth the hypostaticall union of both Natures , Humane and Divine . The true meaning of these Scriptures being thus considered , shewes plainly that his doctrine and their intention , were at a vast distance ; for it is far from their meaning , that the Church of Christ may play the Harlot , and of pure , become base and unclean , because they testifie that she is so long to last , and continue holy , even every member of her his body , as Jesus Christ her head is to be Christ , who was yesterday , and to day , and for ever . And s●ving your learning , Sir ▪ this doctrine sheweth that you are still tainted with the old leaven of corrupt Popery , and Arminianisme , which will be more manifested when I come to shew what the true Church of Christ is indeed , discovering thereby your fancie more particulerly and exactly . Another conclusion that he would teach the people was , That his Church was a Baptized Church , and had the true marks of a true Church , which is the true Preaching the Word , and the true administration of the Sacraments , as he calls them . Here the Gentleman is at a losse also , and beats the air as before , and that which he saith is to as little purpose , his terms not being cleared to what sense he means , from their various ac●eptations . But the truth is , his owne meaning by Baptisme is but that which is outward , that any man may bear witnesse to , that is present , as he affirms in page 23. So then , his Baptisme is of the same nature as his Church is , both carnall , the inside foule , as Simon Magus his heart was , not right in the sight of God , his estate naturall and miserable , in the Gall of bitternesse , and in the bond of iniquity , yet washt and cleansed without . Where doe you read in the Scriptures that the Churches of God , true spirituall Christians , did ever brag and boast of the fleshly and carnall parts of the Ordinances of the Gospel , as you have done ? No , they see those are shaddows , elementary representations , and say , that it is not Baptism in the flesh , that saves not ; but the Baptism of the heart , the heart sprinkled from an evil conscience , and the body washed with pure water , by this spirituall Baptisme men are saved . So also they affirm , that 's not Circumcision that is in the flesh , but that is Circumcision that is of the heart in the spirit , and not in the Letter , inward , spirituall , and heavenly Baptisme . And this Circumcision is that which Gods Church glories in , and not the outward , that Divells may participate of as well as Saints . But the Doctour fears not to avouch , that the washing with the Old Ford , or Thames water , and the like places is that Baptisme , which the Scripture in a speciall sense speaks of , by which men are regenerated , because he maketh it the true mark of the rue Church . Indeed this is the opinion of the stupid , obdurat , hard-hearted Jews and Papists , and of most carnall Protestants , in which they are all alike . But as the true Church of Christ is spirituall , so is her Baptisme , and so are her fruits and manifestations , her marks and seals , by which she is distinguished from all other Churches that are false , as when I come to establish the truth shall be cleared . But the Doctour further affirmeth , that their Baptized Churches have the true Preaching of the Word ; and he thinks himselfe to be none of the meanest amongst the rest : and therefore in the first place , and in the behalf of all the Baptized Churches , as he calls them , we will examine his owne true Preaching of the word as he affirms in page 24. That his Church , and all other Baptized Churches baptize such as shall be saved , according to Mark 16. 16. because , as he saith , they are beleivers and repenters . Again , saith he , they that Baptize such as confesse with their mouth the Lord Jesus , and beleeve in their hearts that God hath raised him from the dead , Rom. 10. baptizeth such as shall be saved . But baptized Churches baptize such as confesse with their mouth the Lord Jesus , and beleeve with their hearts that God raised him from the dead ; therefore baptized Churches baptize such as shall be saved . This professed workman for want of true understanding to divide the word aright , hath from his own mouth eternalized his own shame , for want of a clear and true distinction in the same terms that have divers meanings . And that his folly may the more be manifested , we will ingeniously consider the Scriptures ; the first we read thus , He that beleeveth and is baptized , shall be saved . Now to find out the true meaning hereof , two terms of necessity must be opened ; for one and the same term admitting of divers meanings in Scripture , that sense must be distinguished from all others of like nature , that is properly and only intended in that place . Now for the term [ Faith ] it hath divers significations in the Scripture ; somtimes it is referred unto God , somtimes unto men ; when unto God , then it implyeth or intendeth nothing else but the sure and certain unalterablenesse of his promise , and decree . If unto men , then it signifieth and intendeth either the doctrine of the Gospel it selfe , or their faithfulnes that declare it , or else some speciall gifts which the Spirit of God indueth his servants with ; now of such gifts there are but three sorts that bear the name of faith . Somtimes the knowledge and certain understanding of the truth of Gods word , is called Faith , which for distinction sake may be called , and that truly , The Faith of knowledge , or Historicall Faith ; which Faith , although all the Saints under the Scriptures administration of the Gospel have , yet it is not peculiar to them alone , but common to all perishing Christians , such as the Doctours Church consisteth of , and may abundantly exceed in yea , even Sathan himselfe . The second gift of the holy Ghost , is that by which any one miraculously doth such things as causeth admiration in the beholders , exceeding naturall effects , and is often in holy Writ called by the name of Faith , and so may be denominated Miraculous Faith . But with this gift the unholy may more excell , then the holy men of God ; for John the Baptist did no Miracle , but Iudas the Traytour did many ; in which gift of Faith the Priests and Juglers of Rome were famous ; as the Spirit of the Lord foretold . And they shall doe great wonders , and works of great power , so that they would deceive if it were possible , the very elect . Which kind of Faith may properly be defined thus , That it is a certain undoubted confidence whereby a man beleeveth that God Almighty will by him doe this or that Miracle , as the Scripture saith , Through Faith in his name . The third sort of the gifts of the Spirit , which any man receiveth to Eternall life , is called by the name of Faith ; and that more often then those before named , which the Scripture calleth The Faith of God , The Faith of the Son of God , the Faith of Jesus Christ , the Faith of Abraham , the Faith that worketh by love , the Faith of Gods Elect , which is often and properly called by godly men , justifying Faith ; and of this sort and kind of Faith , all the Saints , and they onely have , which may be truely defined in this manner , that it is a full , sure , and firme confidence ingraven by the power of the Spirit of God , in a penitent , broken heart , whereby he assuredly beleeveth that all his sins are remitted , and that he is reconciled and made one with God , in everlasting love and favour through the Lord Jesus Christ . Now the Doctour ought to have considered which of all these three sorts of Faith is meant by our Saviour in the place he alledges ; the last sort of Faith cannot be understood , for that is included in the next tearm [ Baptized ] as I shall shew when I give you the meaning . Nor the second sort , for that 's not peculiar to them that shall be saved . And therefore without all contradiction it must be the first sort of Faith , which all the Elect of God must have in some measure or other , wrought by Gods Spirit , before he works , either Repentance , or Remission of sins ; which kind of Faith may well be expressed in saying that it is , and it is nothing else but a sure knowledge and settled assent ▪ of the mind and heart , by which a man most undoubtedly beleeveth such things as are revealed for the Salvation of mankinde . Now the second Tearme in the Text is [ Baptized ] which word is likewise of divers significations in the Scripture ; and he ought here to have dealt like a skilfull spirituall workman , as before is exprest ; that is , in the first place to have shewed the manifold acceptations the same word also hath in the Holy Ghosts expression , and then which of all the meanings by the same tearm is here to be understood , which the Doctor having omitted , of necessity I must do this work for him , to find out the true meaning of this Scripture also . Wherefore I say of the tearm [ Baptisme ] as of the tearm Faith , that it hath divers , disfinct , and severall meanings in the Scriptures ; sometimes is meant by it externall elementary Baptisme , that which is from below , but more often that which is spirituall and heavenly , from above , as repentance is called Baptisme , and so is Remission of Sinnes ; and these two heavenly operations together , being Regeneration , and the making parts of the New man , are called Baptisme , and so are the gifts of the Holy Ghost given to this New creature , called Baptisme : as also , the enabling Grace in the holy conversation of this Child of God . His mortification and vivification are called Baptisme ; as also are his blessed sufferings for righteousnesse sake . Can you be Baptized with the Baptisme that I am Baptized with ? &c. Now Mr. Doctour ; may it please you to learne which of all these distinct meanings is that which is intended by our Lord and Saviour : the last it cannot be , for in that our Lord speaks of the work and exercise of a New man , born , and not of the Birth it selfe : the first it cannot be , for that is from below ; and it is impossible for the water of the great Ocean Springs , or Fountains to unharden the heart , to convert a naturall man , to renew the sinner , to sanctifie the polluted ; then without all question it must be the Baptisme of Repentance , and Remission of Sinnes ▪ the washing of Regeneration , and Renewing of the Holy Ghost , for whosoever is so Baptized , doth so repent , and beleeve , shall be saved . Now these things considered , I pray see what a corrupt manner of Preaching is this of yours , and how these Scriptures prove what you have affirmed , let the people of the Lord judge . For as you have by your false Expositions killed and taken away the life and meaning of Gods holy Word , in these past instances of Divine Writ ; even so in like manner hath your dealing been with all other Scriptures you have made use of ; for which in due time and place you shall receive just reproof . In the next place , I should have discovered your ignorance of the Ordinance of the Lords Supper , which is your confirmation of your Disciples , under the power of your Ordinances , as you use to say , by which you doe not onely interest your selves into their Estates , but have the disposing of their bodies also . But I will defer that till I shall determine it rightly by the Scriptures of truth , and will now take in hand the point you have spent most of your Syllogismes about , concerning the Ministry of the Church of Christ ; and you ground your large Disputes on a Question , page 2. which you frame thus . Whether privat men , I mean Trades-men , say you may Preach the Word of God without Ordination . By which it appears his meaning is , they may ; and so goes on in all fury , and in a conceit of an uncontrollable ability to make good his three fold Cord of Major , Minor , and Conclusion , with cunning , sophisticall words of Juglers , as the Apostle speaks of some in his time , 2 Pet. 1. 16. And the man is so confident , that he thinks neither word nor spirit may countermand him , but when the account of his Question is audited , I think he will wish he had been better imployed , for the Doctour is fallen into a mist , as he was before , and doth all his work in darknesse ; and he shall find them to prove no lesse then works of darknesse themselves , by not clearing three tearms in his Question ; that is , Private men , Ordination , and Preaching : and that I may the more fully discover the Doctours weaknesse , his question 's examination shall be by the Scriptures , and then it will appear how the Scriptures meaning , and the Doctours doth disagree . Now we find the first tearm , Private man , made use of by the Apostle , 2 Pet. 1. 20 , 21. Knowing this first ( saith he ) that no Prophesie of the Scripture is of any private interpretation ( or motion ▪ as some translate ) for the Prophesie came not at any time by the will of man , &c. The Apostle teacheth us here that the private man he speaks of , is a naturall man ; and he explains his own meaning to be so , in these words , By the will of man : that is , by no naturall mans abilities whatsoever . And as he denies that the Prophesie of truth and holy Writ came by the power , parts , and gifts of any man in nature , so also he affirms , By whom God makes knowne his word , will , and Prophesies , that is , by spirituall men , in these plain words , But holy men of God spake as they were moved by the holy Ghost Now Doctour , see that which yet you never saw ; the Church of Christ , her Preachers and Prophets of the Lord are not carnall , but spirituall men , and their motion and enablement thereunto , is not by any humane spirit , but through the movings and ability of the holy Ghost . Where is now therefore the multitude of your Arguments , and Syllogismes , of men and Trades men , and gifted men , not taking into consideration , there are men and men , and gifts and gifts , which for want of Scripture distinction , all the pains you have taken to spin so many curious threads to make a carnall webb of , no sooner is it toucht by the Divine finger of the spirituall meaning of the word of God , but your glorious shew of humane , and of carnall , or private men falls all into filthy dust : for although carnall men may litterally preach , as Judas and others have done , yet none but holy men can Preach spiritually . And in this distinction the other tearms are to be understood also , of Ordination and Trades-men , both Divine , the one in person , the other in approbation , and mission for holy men of God . The Messengers and Ministers of Christ , are sent , appointed , and Ordained by the Lord himselfe , and justified and approved of by the Saints And their Preachings and Declarations are not their own visions and though●s , as the Doctours are , but the truth , word , and mind of the Lord ; the same spirit in them enables them to open the Scriptures now , which wrote them by the hands of his holy Prophets and servants , which shall be more fully cleared when I come to the truths confirmation . Now this brief discovery of the Doctours large mistakes , shall suffice for this time ; some other things there are , which we shall have occasion to reprove , as we find them to hinder us in the way of truth And therefore , according to my promise in the first place I shall make a clear and plain description of the true Church of Christ , and so follow the Doctour the same way he goes . But who is sufficient for these things , as the Apostle speaks ; But wee are not as many which corrupt or deceitfully deal with the Word of God , but as of sincerily , but as of God ; in the sight or in the powerfull presence of God , speak we in Christ , although the Doctour despise us . Be it known unto him therefore , and all the world , that the true Church of Jesus Christ is of a holy and pure nature , every part and member of her : for he that sanctifieth her , and they that are sanctified , are all of one ; that is , of the one Holy Spirit ; so then , as in her new nature she is Holy and Divine , so she is heavenly and spirituall ; spirituall Children which make a spirituall Family , or Houshold ; spirituall Trees which make a spirituall , fruitfull , fragrant Garden ; spirituall Stones built up a spirituall House , Temple , Tabernacle , a repose , an habitation for the heavenly God , the Father of Spirits , to abide , to delight , to dwell and reside in . Yea more yet , she is a spirituall body , consisting of none but of spirituall members , knit and joyned together with spirituall sinews , supplyed with spirituall grace from the Fountaine , the Head , the spirituall Head Jesus Christ , from which all the joynts and bands , having nourishment , ministred and knit together , groweth or increaseth with the increase of God ; from the Head ▪ I say , conveyeth all over the body , to the least Member , with spirituall veins , through which , an everlasting supplying grace is continued . For as she is the building and workmanship of God , the Children and Houshold of God , the Plantation and Garden of the Lord , so she is kept by the power of God unto salvation . And he that keepeth this his Israel , his chosen , called and sanctified ones , doth neither slumber nor sleep , but ever watcheth : And he their Holy Shepheard is mighty , and stronger then all , so that no opposite power and strength is able to take them out of his hand . Now forasmuch as the faithfull servant and Apostle of Christ writing unto the holy and blessed Church at Ephesus , affirms them to be Saints , and faithfull , and that they are in Christ Jesus . Now all that are in Christ Jesus are holy and faithfull , for they are justified by faith , and sanctified by the Holy Ghost , and as the Root is holy ▪ so are the branches also ; yet the Apostle saith to these holy ones , You were the Children of wrath as well as others . And to another Church he saith , And such were some of you , speaking before of wicked and unholy men ; But yee ( saith he , meaning now ) are washed , but yee are sanctified , but yee are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus , and by the Spirit of our God . That is , through the power of Christ , by the operation of the Spirit . Therefore to know the way and method which God takes in the conversion of his servants that are his Church , the discovery and opening thereof , will make not onely the Description of the Church of Christ more clear , and manifest , but give us a definition also of her supernaturall making , parts : For as since the creation , propagation or birth gives being to all men naturally ; so heavenly and spirituall birth since the fall of man , is ordained and appointed of God to give spirituall being to all his Saints , and Children , which are the Church of God , as it is written , That which is borne of the flesh is flesh , and that which is borne of the spirit , is spirit : so it is spirituall birth that gives being to spirituall men ▪ But forasmuch as this one Scripture doth fully prove the assertion in both parts thereof , that is that birth taken in a two fold meaning , is the production both of naturall men , and spirituall men . And the due consideration of the wisdome of the Holy Ghost by declaring that which is heavenly , by that which is naturall , teacheth us that there is much resemblance of the births in the manner , although not in the nature . In the naturall birth there is a conception in the beginning , and a reception in the continuance , till bringing forth , or accomplishment . And all these distinctions with their concomitants may be comprehended in the tearm birth , now that which doth accompany conception , is compunction in nature , in sorrow , shalt thou conceive , and in the reception , all the while till the deliverance , and in the deliverance , pain , sorrow , labour , pangs , throwes intollerable dollorous till the Child is born , and then comes ease , comfort , and rejoycing ; even so it is in the spirituall birth , in a likenesse and resemblance , for the manner of it , but in the nature , no similitude at all , for the the one is from below , the other from above , as it is written ; Except a man be born again from above , of water and the Spirit , he cannot see the Kingdome of God : In which words there are four parts , and the tearms therein to be distinctly considered of . The first is , Of whom our Lord speaks by the name man , and by it he means a naturall man . And secondly , That this man is to be born again ; his meaning is not as Nicodemus at that time understood him , to enter into that place of nature from whence he came forth , but to be born from above by a supernaturall force , power , vertue , and operation of the Spirit of God . In the third place , He speaks of the matter of the Birth , and that hath two parts : The first is heavenly and spirituall water , meaning thereby the grace and gift of God , which the holy Ghost often in the Scriptures , calls by the name of water , which is the Baptisme of Repentance , a true turning to God . The second part consisteth of another more excellent work of the Spirit , which is here called the Holy Ghost , but in other places by metaphoricall tearms , blood , and fire , by which is meant the Baptisme of the Holy Ghost , or Remission of sins . The first part is full of spirituall grief , and disconsolation , the last full of heavenly comfort and consolation . And lastly , By seeing the Kingdome of God , he means the knowing and being a member of his Church in the state of Regeneration , receiving the Spirit of Adoption , through which he is made the Child of God , and if Children , then Heirs of the everlasting Kingdome , the World to come , the inheritance of the Saints : so then ; from this Scripture thus opened we are taught , that Gods method and way to convert men from nature to grace , to make them members of his Church , is to Turne them from darknesse to light , from the power of Satan . to be reconciled unto God : To deliver us from the power of darknesse , and translate us into the Kingdome of the Son of his love . And by this way and means the Lord made and constituted the true Church of Christ at Collosse , as he doth all other Churches of his , which were Saints , and faithfull brethren in Christ , And so did he likewise that famous Church at Ephesus , Yee were somtimes darknesse ( saith the Apostle ) but now are yee light in the Lord , walk as Children of light , Mark I pray you , he calls this Church , these Saints , these Faithfull in Christ Jesus , Children of light , and how came they to be so , but by being Borne of God , of his own will begat he them , being born again of incorruptible seed , the Word of God , which is the Word of his Grace , the New Covenant , the Word of Promise , the Covenant of Life , the making us partakers thereof , is the taking away the stony heart , and in the place thereof to give his Elect a heart of flesh , that is , a soft , tender , and humble heart , and in it to write his everlasting love , mercy , and kindnesse , never to be obliterated , or revoked , as before is shewed . For those whom he thus loves once , he loves unto the end . And these Children of God , are those little ones the Scripture speaks of , those humble ones the Lord teacheth , those contrite and penitent ones , that the Lord comforteth , refresheth , and reviveth ; this is his Sion , his little City , his desired Habitation , his delightfull dwelling , his Holy Mountaine . And where two or three of these are gathered together in his Name ; where by Name we are to understand Spirit , there is he in the midst of them ; that is it that is it that makes them his Church , even his holy presence ; that is it that makes them his House , his Tabernacle , to doe his great pleasure in Earth , by his Spirit , as the everlasting Father , and the Son doth in Heaven , whose voyce not to regard , is as much as not to regard the voyce of God himselfe . Oh Doctour , for you , to compare your hay , wood , and stubble , with the purity and excellency of this Churches mettle , which is Gods building , it will even so eclipse your rush light , and split your hulk , and shipwrack your bark for ever , as never to recover , and your sandy foundation will shortly cause such a fall of your foolish Church ▪ building , as never to be built again . And that you may repent of your ignorance of the true Church of Christ , I will give you another discovery of her excellency , by her pure estate , and glorious condition , which the Propheticall Apostle Iohn saw in a Vision , and writ it for posterity , in these words , And a great signe appeared in Heaven , a Woman cloathed with the Sun , and the Moon under her feet , and on her head a Crown of twelve stars . And being great with Child , shee cryed travelling and labouring to be delivered . In which Scripture there are many things considerable . 1. A matter of wonderment and admiration , for the great excellency of it . 2. The place where it appeared , and that was in Heaven . 3. What it was that appeared , and that was a woman ▪ 4. Then her cloathing and apparell all over her body . 5. As also what she was crown'd with on her head . 6. What she trod under her feet ; and not only denominating all things without her , but 7. what was within her also . And being great with Child , she cryed travelling , and labouring to be delivered . This precious Virgin Spouse , the Lords Bride , being in her condition spirituall , did shine forth in her primitive estate , not in any outward pomp and humane carnall glory ; as now in any externall forme , or soft Rayment , after the fashion of the multitude of gathered Churches in these dayes ; but in her heavenly gifts , and holy vertues , her chast and prudent conversation , the shining of her faith , love , patience , and moderation ; in all things she was such as she was the light of the world , to the wonderment and admiration of all the Children that had eyes to behold her . And whereas it is said , She appeared in Heaven , the meaning is , the places where the Gospel was beleeved , the truth of God , and way to salvation professed , as in Iudea , Italy , Macedonia , Asia , and divers other places , Cities , and Countries ; in which sense the Apostle speaks to the Church of Thessalonica , For from you sounded out the word of the Lord not onely in Macedonia , and Achaia , but also in every place your faith to God-ward is spread abroad , &c. And that the Church of Christ is signified by the appellation and title of a Woman ; that is usuall and often the expression of the Holy Ghost in the Scriptures ; as The Kings Daughter , The Daughter of Sion , The Spouse of Christ , The Lambs Wife , The Mother of all the Saints , &c. And there is great reason for the Female Sex resembles the Church of Christ in many respects ; as for their fruitfulnesse , for their beauty , for their subjection and passivenesse , and tender bowels of compassion . And that she may want nothing that may tend to her full description in her whole attire , to make her all glorious without as the Prophet saith , The Kings Daughter is all glorious within . The son of Righteousnesse , even his own Righteousnesse is her Mantle , her cloathing , It is a metaphoricall speech , often used in the Scripture , thereby declaring the Righteousnesse of Christ by being cloathed in sine linnen , by a wedding Garment , and a white stone , and very apt is the resemblance , for as a stole or Garment , covers and adornes the naturall body ; so the righteousnesse of Christ covers and cloaths , adorns and beautifies the poverty and brokenness of the peninent souls of his Elect. And this Garment is of that nature , and quality , as that it warms and sustains the feeble and thirsty soule , with the assurance of the mercy and favour of God in Christ Jesus for ever . And the Holy Ghost giveth testimony also of the fruits of her lively justifying faith , in declaring her newnesse of life in her detestation of sin , and true love to her Lord in this figurative expression , And the Moon under her feet , declaring thereby her mortification and death too , and of her sinfull corruption , and worldly naturall affection ; and also her vivification and daily renewed mind , to a heavenly conversation , delighting and meditating day and night in the Holy Law and Word of God , being no more carnally , but spiritually minded . The next externall , yet spirituall description is the Ornament of her head , wherein shee took most pleasure , saying , Shee wore on her head a Crowne , not with gold and silver beset with precious stones , for the excellent matter thereof it exceeded all these , for it was made of the holy and pure Doctrine of the Twelve Apostles , which testimonies and verities of theirs are the Lords lights and torches to guide and direct sinners when they are benighted and darkned with their sins , and for this cause are called by the name of stars . And lastly , the Holy Ghost declares the effects , and operation of Gods spirit and word in her , for by the heavenly truth which was by her ears received , her heart spiritually conceived , and shee was greatly filled with a deep sence of her owne vilenesse and unworthinesse ; with bemoaning and mournfully lamenting her sad forlorn condition , travelling and labouring under great oppression , by reason of sin , in restlesse desire of reconciliation to God ; which paines and anguish of her mourning heart and contrite spirit , the Apostle most truly compareth to the throwes and paines of a woman in travell of Child-birth , of which spirituall pains and labour shee could not possible by any means be eased or releived , untill her Lord were formed in her , even untill her tender heart were sanctified by faith ; for nothing could cure the wound but the assurance of mercy , nor nothing satisfie her restlesse desire , but the love of God insured her in Christ her Lord , and written in the fleshy Tables of her heart , according to his everlasting Covenant . Thus you see both the definition and description of the true Church of Christ , that she is holy and spirituall , within and without also , distinguished and disevered from all other Churches , by Regeneration ; as the outward Court and the Temple were parted by a vaile , and described by such perfect fruits of righteousnesse , as no Pharisaicall Congregations can bring forth . And herein I have made good my promise to you in this first particular : The second thing I promised , was to make known unto you the divine Ordinances of this holy Church , and they are many , but we will briefly and that truly discover such as are most materiall to our purpose . Now as shee her selfe is spirituall , and their communions one with another , so also is every part of her worship spirituall likewise ; and yet we must ever remember , that most Ordinances consist of two parts ; the one carnall and outward , the other spirituall and inward : Now the common and carnall Christians are most busied about the carnall part , as fleshly washings , corporall eatings , litterall Expositions , and verball supplications , like the Pharisees , that were strict to tyth mint , and the meanest externall things , but wholly omitted the weightiest and greatest , that which was internall , as true Repentance , &c. diligently washed the outside , but minded not at all to cleanse inwardly the heart , in all which Mr Doctour , you spent most of your labour , and very few words or none , about the spirituall part . And one Reason was , because all your Disputes tended but to a carnall Church , for a Congregation of carnall Christians make no better then a carnall Church ; and carnall Arguments and actions doe manifest the hearts of such to be carnall . But I desire your Repentance of these things , and hasten to the discovery of the truth , that may make you a Child thereof indeed ; and therefore we will returne to a further discovery of the true Churches spirituall Worship in the Heavenly part of Gods Ordinances , in which shee and her Children are most conversant , for they are alwayes mindfull of the Holy Covenant of their Lord , in the heavenly parts of it ; they mourne , and weep , and suffer together , in their patience possesse their souls , and passe through the Valley of Tears , participating each with other , knowing they are thereunto called of God , not only to beleeve , but to suffer for his sake : the assured hope they have of the great portion , inheritance , and salvation they are born unto by the spirit , doth so support them , that they rejoyce in tribulation , the Holy Ghost bearing them witnesse , That if they suffer with him , they shall also reign with him . Know you not ( saith the Apostle , as if he had said in other words , you know assuredly ) that as many of us as are Baptized into Jesus Christ , were Baptized into his death ; therefore we are buried with him by Baptisme into death . Mark the tearms , Baptized , or Buried with him into death , which sheweth , if men be Members of his body , then if our head suffer , the Members must suffer also : and as sure as the Head is raised from the dead by the glory of the Father , even so we also his Members are raised in our mind and affections , to newnesse of life . And in the same sence he saith again , For if we have been planted together in the likenesse and similitude of his death , we shall be also in the likenesse of his Resurrection . And these broken melting hearted Saints , that at first in their Regeneration were thus humbled , and made low , and poor in Spirit , yielding , inclining , and bowing to the will and pleasure of Almighty God . This heavenly grace which the Lord calls water in a spirituall meaning , abides in and with them alwayes throughout their whole life ; and by it they are enabled to be Baptized with sufferings , as they were born or begotten of water , which is Repentance : So likewise at the Lords Supper , they sometimes , and that with much comfort , eat and drink corporally the Elements of Bread and Wine , and therein declare the Lords death till his comming ; but they alwayes by faith communicate of his body and blood , the Spirit of Adoption that dwells in them , still bearing witnesse of the Lords everlasting kindnesse , with the refreshings of the light of his countenance , affording them more comfort , then all the abundance of earthly things , or shaddows of that which is spirituall , the witnesse and evidence of the Spirit of God , exceeds all testimonies and assurances , and fills the soul with satisfaction . Now in this condition they know the truth of their Lords words by blessed experience . My flesh is meat indeed , and my blood is drink indeed , living bread that came downe from heaven , and they that eat thereof , eat everlasting life . It is immortall food , this body and blood is the resurrection and the life , for they that eat this flesh , and drink this blood , dwell in Christ , and Christ in them . This food causeth union , co-habitation , one-nesse of mind , and likenesse of affection between Christ and his Members . This is the fatted Calfe that fed the prodigall , this is the Childrens bread provided of God himselfe for his servant Iacob , those excellent dainties , sweet and fat things , full of marrow , the wine and milk , the honey-comb with the honey , with which the Lord feeds his friends , his beloved and chosen ones , which food doth not only cheare , delight , and comfort , but it confirms , and seals with assurance , even that gold Ring that sealed the Fathers favour to his lost Son , the best Robe of all the Wardrobe , for there is none like it in Heaven nor in Earth , for it is the Righteousnesse of the Saints , it covers all nakednesse , it defends from all dangers , and it ever finds acceptance with their heavenly Father , in all services and sacrifices , for these worshippers have their hearts purged from an evill conscience , and their Garments dipt in blood for the Lamb is in them , and they in him . And thus spirituall are their prayers also , this sacrifice likewise is a broken heart , and as it is the spirits habitation and dwelling , so it is his place of acting and working ; and although the Saints themselves cannot tell how to pray as they ought , yet the Spirit their continuall comforter , guider , and directer helpeth them , and secretly prompteth them with sighs and groans that cannot be uttered , with the Organ of the Tongue , so inward , faithfull , and fervent , are the spirits requests to God that only knowes the meaning thereof : and for their matter they are faithfull supplications , they ask in faith , in the name of their Lord , that is , in the powerfull assistance of Christs Spirit ; And this is the confidence we have in him ( say the Saints ) if we ask any thing according to his will , he heareth us , and if we know that he hears us , that is , if the Spirit do so witnesse to us , we know then , that we have the Petitions that we desired of him ; for number they are but few ; for place , private ; for practice and performance , often and frequent ; Pray continually , saith the Apostle . And shall the Elect cry day and night unto God their Father , against their Enemies oppressions , and shall not he avenge them ? yea he will avenge them , and that speedily . In all their spirituall warfare , this is the last and principall piece of Armour , Praying alwayes with all prayer and supplication in the spirit , and watching thereunto with all perseverance . This Servant of our Lords had very well learned his Masters Lesson , Watch and pray , least yee enter into temptation ; and this part of their worship is spirituall , as the worshippers themselves are spirituall . Again , their understanding the Scripture , is not only litterall , but spirituall ; and that it may the more clearly appear , we must remember to make use of this distinction , that the Scriptures may be spoken of as of a Body , and a Spirit , in the letter and the meaning thereof . Now all carnall Gospellers , and false Expositors , as they understand no further then the letter , or common gifts declared therein , by the sense which such give of the Scriptures , they kill Gods Witnesses , the two holy Testaments . Priests whose Visions are darknesse , doe violate , wrong , and injure all the holy Writings of Gods faithfull servants , and witnesses ; of which company a●e the Learned Clerks of Rome , and all other fleshly Preachers ; for that Church co●sisting of the fat Beasts of the field , did kill , havock , and slay them in such a barbarous manner , in that great City of Rome , which in a spirituall wicked meaning , is called Sodome and Aegypt , for their uncleannesse and malice , against the true intent of the Scriptures , that notwithstanding they had the letter and Corps amongst them , yet they did deny the life and soule , the mind and will of God therein revealed , to be buried , or inter'd in their proper Monuments , the hearts of men ; and as they then , so the same things doe all carnall Churches now that are of her old nature , although of a new frame , by their like lying , and false Expositions , and interpretations , even take the life from the body , and separate the soule from the corps , of these two Witnesses , two Prophets , two Candlesticks , two Testimonies , two Olive Trees , and two Covenants ; which two in all and each appellation , are but one thing in the true meaning ; and so they shall continue to doe the remainder of the 42 months , till 14 years of the whole number to come , be expired . In the mean while the voyce of the Church of Christ is heard from out of the Wildernesse , and wholly tends to the vindication , resurrection , and restoration of the true meaning of the Word of God , as it is written . And after three dayes and a halfe ▪ the Spirit of life from God , entred into them , and they stood upon their feet . And Gods Church fears not to speak , although she cares not to be known , she being indewed with the spirit of life from God ; and in her reading the Scriptures you shall find her full of consideration , and understanding , as our Lord directs her , Let him that readeth consider : For they that read and hear the words of this Prophecy , and keep those things that are written therein , and are blessed in so doing , must needs truly understand them ; and indeed it is Sion , Gods Church only , that understandeth and declareth the Gospel truly by the Scriptures administration ; For by the Church ( saith the Apostle ) is made knowne the manifold wisdome of God ; which shall be more manifested in the next particular , in declaring what the Ministers of the Church of Christ are . And it is an undenyable truth that they are Regenerated , spirituall men , for if every Member of their Church be so , and all their Ordinances and Sacr●fices , their Communions , and administrations , then of necessity their Ministry must be so also , and therefore in Scripture they are called , Holy men of God , and Holy Apostles and Prophets ; and are thereby distinguished from all others that are vaine and ungodly . 1. They are holy personally . 2. They are holy giftedly . And as God hath joyned them together , so I shall not seperate them in their description . A Scribe instructed unto the Kingdome of Heaven , is like unto a good Housholder that brings forth of his Treasury things new and old . Now in that our Lord saith , He is taught unto the Kingdome of Heaven , it is all one as if he had said , he had been taught of God , and that shewes he is a Child of God , a holy man , as I have instanced before in the Apostle Peters description to this purpose ; and by bringing forth of his treasure , he means the administration of his spirituall gifts , from the supernaturall store house within him . Again , our Lord saith , Whosoever beleeveth in me , as the Scripture hath said , out of his belly shall flow Rivers of water of Life . This he spake ( saith the Text ) of the gifts they should receive that beleeved on him . This effectuall faith , which is twice repeated , and that to which the Word of God witnesseth to be satisfying drink to the thirsty soule , sheweth such a one to be Regenerate ; and the flowing fountain proceeding from him ▪ those heavenly gifts of the Holy Ghost . And agreeable to this is that which is spoke of Stephen that Holy Martyr , when those choyce and learned Students of the Synagogues of the Libertines men of four severall Nations , Cyrenians , Allexandrians , Cyreans , and As●ans ; these , even such were not able to resist the wisdome and the spirit by which he spake . So the Prophet Micha speaking to the shame of such Prophets that speak without an answer from God , that have no Vision but their own , to whom the day , the light of Gods truth is darke over them , and the Sun is gone downe from them , and yet will Prophesie though they confound themselves ; But truly ( saith he ) I am full of power by the Spirit of the Lord , and of judgement , and of might , to declare unto Jacob , &c. That is , to Preach to Jacob . And so the Apostle Paul ( speaking of the Gospel of Christ , Whereof ( saith he ) I am made a Minister , according to ( or by ) the gift of grace given to me , by , or through the effectuall working of his power . And so he testifies to another Church , Whereof I am made a Minister , according to the dispensation of God , which is given to me for you fully : That is , perfectly , truly , and spiritually to preach the Word of God . And so Peter and John testified to the face of such at Jerusalem as had Crucified our Lord with wicked hands , and proceeded also to forbid them to speak any more to anyman in his name , notwithstanding their threatnings we cannot ( said they ) but speake the things we have seene and heard . What Gods Messengers see , hear , and learne of the Father , that they declare , that they preach . Christ gives the gifts God hath set them in his Church , his body , but every member hath not the same Office , therefore the differing gifts give being to different Offices and Officers , and all spirituall , as the whole body is and are approved of , and allowed by the rest of the Members , all the Saints . Now I should have spoken of the keyes , power , and rich treasures of this Church , but Doctour you are not able to bear it at this time , that is , neither to understand it , nor receive it . But you will say , I will answer all that he hath said in one word , for all that he hath spoken is to be understood of the invisible Church , but all my Disputes are of visible Congregations , and Sir , what you mean by them , your owne words declare , page 23. as is touch before , such as any man may know ( saith he ) and if that be so , then I am sure they consist of naturall and carnall men ; and of the same nature are their administrations , for the Apostle saith , The naturall man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God , for they are foolishnesse unto him ; neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned . Again , to say the true Church of Christ is invisible , is the old cunning cheat of the Devil , to keep men from Repentance , and from attaining that eye salve , through which they might discerne the things that belong unto their peace , and depart from Babylon , and make haste to Sion . But saith the Doctour , The Baptized Churches have forsaken Babylon , and admit of none but Baptized Members , nothing but pure Ordinances ; we are knit together in Church fellowship . But by your leave , if ye be carnall , and cannot discerne the Church of God , and therefore deny her visibility , which her Lord affirmeth of her , to be a City set upon a Hill , a candle on a Table , the Light of the World , the Salt of the Earth . If you cannot discerne the true Church , and yet you professe your selves Churches , then you are no other then the carnall Jewes Church , Jerusalem from below , which is in bondage with her Children ; and the Righteousnesse thereof , but the Righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisees , who used to wash the out-side , and fl●sh , as you doe , but inwardly and in heart , very foule and adulterous , notwithstanding all their seeming holinesse of separation , stand further off , I am holier then thee ; their boasting of their Prayers , and of their Ordinances , and their compassing Sea and Land to make a Proselyte , to convert men to their Church , and yet in so doing make them more the Child of the devil , then they were before , and thereby make them the rather a stink in the Lords nostrills . I tell you plainly , Doctour , there are but two Churches in the whole World ; one carnall , the other spirituall ; two seeds , the seed of the Woman , and the seed of the Serpent ; two sorts of Children , them of light , and them of darknesse ; two heards of Cattell , the fat and the lean ; two kinds of people , the cursed and the blessed ; and I advise you therefore to trust no longer in lying words , saying , The Temple of the Lord , the Temple of the Lord ; for no outward conceivings , or humane traditions , or inventions , can be Gods House , Church and Temple , but those before described ; and as the Holy Prophet saith , The Temple of the Lord are these , such as throughly repent of their sinnes , and amend their wayes and their doings , &c. And therefore Doctour , I advise you againe now heedfully and speedily , to mind the Apostles counsell , To day if you will hear his voyce , harden not your heart , least you enter not into his rest : where he teacheth you , and me , and all , that to enter into Gods rest through Faith , is by Repentance . And because I will omit no means to take you off from minding so much your false Church , I will shew you in what condition you and all men else stand in this C●mmon-wealth of England . Consider this I pray you , that this Common-wealth being a University of Believers , the whole multitude consisteth of two sorts . The one sort Regenerate Believers , such as are borne of God , whose spirituall estate is before described ; and this sort onely are the Church of Christ , as before also is affirmed . The second sort of Believers are outward Christians , and are indewed with the common Faith onely , from which faith and grace they may fall , and perish , and yet before their apostacy have equall right with spirituall Christians , in outward externall Ordinances , as the letter of the word and prayer , the washing away the filth of the body , and the corporall signes of the Lords Supper , and all which , for the more cleare condemnation in disobeying the Gospel . Now forasmuch as the Congregation and Common-wealth of England in these respects is like the Congregation or Common-wealth of Israel , and that in Gods great House , as the Apostle saith , There are both honourable , and dishonourable Vessels , servants evill , slow ▪ and negligent , as good and diligent Virgins , foolish as well as wise , some spirituall , but most carnall , and all to be provided for by the Stewards of this great House , such as are in supreame authority , not onely in matters between man and man , but also in duties between God and man ; not onely for meum and tuum , but also for the publick worship and service of God . And as Moses , Solomon , and Jehosaphat provided not onely corporally , but spiritually for Israel , so and in like manner the supream authority of England ought to provide for every one his portion , that no lack or want may befall any capacity , neither of carnall , or spirituall Christians , and as wholesome and good lawes for men , so pious and decent Rules for Gods publick worship , so far as it concernes their power and direction . And consider also , the Jewes before Christs Incarnation had a Rule for most of their externall Ordinances by the Word ; as the expresse day for Gods Worship , and the Tribe who to wait on the service also , the time when , the member what , and the parties themselves both active and passive for Circumcision And for the Passeover , what for the matter , the kinde , the age , the preparation , the parties who to provide it , and the manner for participation . Now there is no such expresse Provision , for the carnall Ordinances of God , since Christs Incarnation and ascension ; 't is true , there 's example for Baptisme , but no command who shall Baptize , neither when for time , nor how for manner , whether all parts of the body in generall , or which member in particular . And so for the Supper of the Lord , Bread and Wine are the Elements in the institution thereof , and in the future practice injoyned , but who shall provide it ? and what kinde of wine , or what sort of Bread , or who in particular shall blesse or administer it , or how the Communicants shall take it , is not in the word determined ; and without these and the like circumstances , the Ordinances cannot be celebrated . Now if the present Authority should give Rules for the whole Common-wealth , or Congregation , for all perticulars ; as formerly they have done in a Parochiall way , for time , place , persons , and administrations , thereby the spirituall and heavenly Christian is bound to yield obedience as the carnall and outward Christian ; for as the Saints are free as they relate to the person of a true Christian , for so their communion is above the reach and rule of any outward direction , for their Baptisms they are spirituall , as I have shewed before ; their Teacher exceeds all Teachers from men , for they havean Vnction from the holy one , that teacheth them all things . And they stand not in need of any private or carnall mens teaching ; yet as they stand , or sustain the persons or Members of a State or Common-wealth , and under Authority ; so Gods Law binds them to be obedient to every Ordinance of man ; and their communion externally with carnall Christians , doth no more prevent or preinic● their communion spiritually , then Cain's externall communion corrupted Abel's , Ishmaels defiled Isaacks or the proud Pharisees polluted the penitent Publicans . And although inwardly and spiritually , yet not externally nor corporally severed one from another , till the harvest , least with extirpating the bad , the good may suffer prejudice . And therefore it appears plainly , that in a Common-wealth that professes the Faith , the carnall with the spirituall may commuicate in the externall Ordinances of Gods worship , except the injunctions are evill and unlawfull , as were the abominations of Antichrist , from which the Saints are commanded to separate , least by pertaking with her sins they shall be punished with the participation of her plagues . And also that it is in the power of the Magistrate to order all externalls for the publick worship of God , that are not already so done by the S●iptures : Now if this be so , then what ground or warrant have you or any man whatsoever , to select form , and order Congregations of your selves , when the whole Common-wealth is congregated already by Christian Authority . And how can those that are under this Authority cast off their obedience , to which in conscience they are bound ; and gather Churches out of Churches , without any warrant from God or man ; for they were in the profession and communion of Gods Ordinances before , and emboddyed and congregated ▪ before by Acts of the Nationall Congregation , the high Court of Parliament . And what other things they doe ordaine and constitute , that was not done before by the said Authority , the wisest and learnedst of them all cannot shew rightly , nor prove plainly , but it will appear to be their owne imagination , tradition , and phancy , by duely considering the Scriptures , with what is abovesaid , in the distinction between the spirtuall and carnall Christians ; as also , the distinction between the externall part of Gods Ordinances , and the Divine and Heavenly part . I am sure these Rules are according to the practice of our Lord and his Apostles , they never neglected the publick , nor disobeyed the Magistrate therein , nor contemned participation with them , yet let us alwayes bear in minde , that the faithfull and regenerate Christians are the Church of God ; and although the carnall Christians are amongst them in externall participation , yet they are not of them , nor doe spiritually participate with them . The consequence of selected Church-gatherings , admits of many absurdities , as I have shewed in former discoveries . Thus much Doctour for the publique good hath your private mistaken conference occasioned ; and we have more yet to make knowne upon the next opportunity . And my conclusion shall be a word or two to the State and Authority of this Nation , against an ancient , continued , superstitious distinction of the people of this whole Common-wealth , even of all degrees , from the highest to the lowest , that distinguish the whole into two parts , Church and Common-wealth , Clergie , and Layetie . Now in common reason , if in this Nation the publike Ministry , for those are they they mean by Clergy , although no man can prove it by Scripture , be the Church , then the State Magistracy , and the rest of the people are not the Church or Congregation of England , which seems to crosse the Scriptures denomination , for the whole Nation of the Jewes , Priests and People , are often called the Congregation , or Church , and the Reason is beyond exception , because they were a people professing and communicating in the externall Ordinances of God , and but a small remnant of the multitude faithfull to communicate spiritually ▪ Now as spirituall and heavenly Christians are Gods peculiar , little house , vineyard , or Church , so outward Christians , may bear the name of his Vineyard , Church , or great House also , as an outward Jew or Christian bears the name , although not the nature of a Jew or Christian inwardly . And if the Supream Authority doe not annihillate this distinction aforesaid , and cause it to be forgotten , in time it will pull up and advance Ecclesiasticall Hierarchy again , as the Oake the creeping Ivy , and a generall provision made for the many , as before is expressed , would supply all men in all things , both Divine and humane . Beloved Christian ; THou that hast read what is here declared for publique good ; see the Doctour and his doings in the glasse of one Scripture , 2 Pet. 3. 15 , 16. the Apostle Peter speaking of his brother Paul , and of his writings according to the wisedome of God given unto him , he speaks of some that notwithstanding had received the common faith , yet were unlearned and unstable , who did wrest not onely what they said , but also the other Scriptures to their owne destruction . Now the tearms in the Text doe shew us plainly what these Believers were , even such as should perish , first because they were unlearned , that is , not spiritually taught of God : secondly , they were such as were unstable , that is , were not built upon the foundation , neither were deep rooted , as the good ground , but such Christians as were lyable to wither , as the stony ground , to be choaked as the thornes , and to loose what they had , as the High-way side . And such Christians as these doe not understand onely , but they pervert or give false Expositions of the Scriptures , those Heavenly things intended by the Text , are not understood by their earthly minds ; therefore it is said , That there are some things hard to be understood , that is , the Heavenly estate of the Children of God , their spirituall sufferings here , and their glorious hope they have of the everlasting inheritance in the World to come , which supernaturall excellencies as they are in themselves are hard , that is , not to be understood by carnall Christians , such as the Doctour hath declared himselfe to be in all his Arguments . Now if any please to see the other poor endeavours of thy Faithfull Friend , thou mayest have them thus nominated . 1. A True Reformation , and perfect Restitution . 2. Truths Victorie against Heresie . 3. Christian Liberty to the Lords Table . 4. A Defence of Christian Liberty . 5. A Cure of deadly Doctrine . 6. A Lamp of Light . 7. A Right Vse made by a stander by , at J. G. and I. S. Disputes at Great Allhallows . 8. A brief Discovery of Faigned Presbyterie ; and Capt : Norwood's Declaration proved an Abnegation of Christ . There were some other things , but they are out of Print . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A85548e-320 a Gods Servants in speaking the truth to the blame of such as mistake , doe not reproach them , for they are commanded to reprove them , and must not call bitter sweet , nor sweet bitter . They are commanded also to call that darknesse that is so , and that light that is light , and to justifie the just , and condemn the wicked . b And to assent to the truth is tollerable , with a right understanding , but that you are the man that have blasted God &c. is plainly proved in my second Letter , and throughout the Tryall following . c My words & meaning if you take a true view of them , doe not contradict , as you shall see in my discovering of your owne daubing , which you say is the Church of Christ , and Gods perfect work in building his owne habitation . d Do you dare to boast of pure Ordinances , when all you doe in the outward , without the spirituall part , and meaning thereof , is abominable iniquity : and , for bodily exercises that rotten Strumpet the Church of Rome will outdoe you , although you should add your owne vanity in your lacivious washing your Damsels feet and legs also , for shame bring not in your former carnality unrepented of , under the Vizzard of the Churches innocency . But consider what is written , for in Christ Jesus neither Circumcision , or Baptisme , or Vncircumcision availeth any thing , but a new creature . And again , faith that worketh by love . And againe , but keeping the Commandements of God . Are any of these heavenly effects brought forth by your Plants ? Nay , a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruits : For all that hath proceeded from you , are but sower Grapes , and yet you will compare your bramble Berries with the Grapes of the Vines of Canaan . e T is true , you mentioned the words of Peter , but your carnall discourse thereof , shewed plainly you understood not his meaning , neither can you til you repent and be a new man . f And if your spiritual Experiences be of no higher nature then naturall Philosophy is , then your experience is vaine ; for all things under the Sun are vanity , since their deprivation through sin and the curse . And as you your selfe have made use of Philosophy , our Lords and Pauls use and yours is at a broad distance . And that all your sill●gisms were fallacious , is sufficiently proved hereafter . g Here take notice what frieght of pride the Gentleman is laden with , in these words , Them that hear not me , hear not him that sent me ; for every thing he hath said or written , proves him not to be sent of Christ , although he affirm of himselfe , that he is , for if I had sent him , saith the Lord , he should have spoken my words unto the people , which he hath not , as hereafter is more cleared .