The Quakers subterfuge or evasion over-turned In the vindication of the late narrative, concerning the memorable hand of God against a Quaker, and his family, in the county of Lincoln. Wherein the unchristianlike dealings of the Quakers in their late book, entituled The anabaptists lying wonder detected, with an admonition to all Christians to beware of their delusions: with some antiqueries to John Whitehead, about his pretence to the ministery, and the state of the Quakers congregations. James, Ralph, 17th cent. 1672 Approx. 55 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 19 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2003-01 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A46631 Wing J433 ESTC R218748 99830319 99830319 34769 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. 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Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. 24 p. printed for Francis Smith at the Elephant and Castle without Temple Bar, London : 1672. "To the judicious reader" signed: Ralph James. A reply to Rudyard, Thomas. The Anabaptists lying wonder. Includes postscript and errata at end of text. Reproduction of the original in the Dr. Williams' Library, London. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. EEBO-TCP is a partnership between the Universities of Michigan and Oxford and the publisher ProQuest to create accurately transcribed and encoded texts based on the image sets published by ProQuest via their Early English Books Online (EEBO) database (http://eebo.chadwyck.com). 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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Rudyard, Thomas, d. 1692. -- Anabaptists lying wonder -- Early works to 1800. Quakers -- Early works to 1800. 2002-02 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2002-03 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2002-04 TCP Staff (Oxford) Sampled and proofread 2002-04 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2002-05 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE QUAKERS SUBTERFUGE or EVASION Over-turned . In the Vindication of the late NARRATIVE , Concerning the memorable Hand of God against a Quaker , and his Family , in the County of LINCOLN . WHEREIN The Unchristianlike Dealings of the Quakers in their late Book , Entituled , The Anabaptists Lying Wonder detected , With an Admonition to all Christians to beware of their Delusions : With some Antiqueries to Iohn Whitehead , about his pretence to the Ministery , and the state of the Quakers Congregations . Eccles. 4. 4. Again , I considered all travel , and every right work ; that for this a Man is envied of his Neighbor . London , Printed for Francis Smith at the Elephant and Castle without Temple Bar. 1672. To the Judicious READER . WHen I consented to the Publication of the Narrative , of that remarkable Reproof from the Lord , against the Spirit of Error , which moved Richardson against the way of Righteousness , and to attempt the propagation of the Principles of the Quakers , by denouncing a Curse upon me in the name of the Lord , onely because of that testimony , which upon just occasion I was ready to bear against their Errors ; I could hardly imagine , that any man should doubt of the truth of it , being so fully evidenced in the presence of so many witnesses , by the party himself that was most eminently concerned in it . And what Man of Reason will believe , that any Man should voluntarily accuse himself to be a false Prophet , without some powerful conviction . And why should any Man complain of the Hand of the Lord being upon him , and his , in judgment , when there is no such thing . And what could Richard Anderson propose to himself , in bringing his wife three or four miles purposely , that God might be intreated to remove his stroke from her , and her children , if indeed there had be no cause ? Or , why should they both declare , they were disquieted with restless pain , and their child with sores , &c. and that upon his so prophaning the Name of the Lord , if all was well with them ? Surely in vain do Men go about to out-face a thing so manifest . It is remarkable , that in all the Quakers say , they take no notice of Richard Andersons iniquity , in taking on him that office of a false Prophet , but rather seem to favor his doings in that behalf , by suggesting , as if the judgment by him pronounced , was upon me to this day , ( see their Lying Wonder , p. 7 ) though it is neither witnessed by any , nor confessed by me ( as , Blessed be God , there is no cause ) and yet they will in no wise believe any judgment fell on Richard Anderson or his family , though so much verified ! Surely , should half so much have been testified of the accomplishment of Richard Andersons prophesie on me or mine , as hath been on the contrary , the truth thereof had been out of dispute with them ere this day . Seeing then , that it cannot be denied , but Richard Anderson was led by the Spirit of Falshood , and prophesied falsly in the Name of the Lord ; it is far more reasonable to believe , that the Lord did rebuke his folly , upon the evidence offered , then to believe he did escape unpunished under such iniquity , without , and against evidence , notwithstanding all the shifts of the Quakers to help him . Wherefore Reader , perufe ( if thou pleasest ) what I have here offered to observation , With much further confirmation of the Narrative . And believe me in this ( for it is truth ) that I have not in all that I have said , wronged my Conscience , nor designed any evil against the persons of the Quakers , but onely to make discovery ( so far as this providence might tend to it ) of the false ways they have chosen , that so they might escape from thence , and be saved . Nor do I hereby proclaim my own glory ( as they suggest ) and we know ( for all their noise ) that it is lawful for the servants of the Lord to report what God doth by them , Acts 15. 12. And yet I do not pretend to work Miracles ; for the truth is , it was not expected by me , that God should after that manner rebuke the vanity of the false Prophet , who came to pronounce me a Leper . But seeing it hath pleased him to do it thus beyond my expectation , I know I sin not in declaring it : I have more cause to think I should have sinned in concealing it . And for the removal of the affliction , it was an answer of the Prayer of the Congregation , and not of mine onely . Indeed for Printing I had no resolution , till moved by such as heard of the business , knowing my own incapacity , for a work of that nature , and ( as I said I was not without fears of the consequence : But this I willingly put upon the account of my infirmities , not being conscious of any Hypocrisie in the business , though boldly charged by the Quakers in that kind ; but they have a faculty to accuse beyond their ability to prove . I commit all that which concerns the matter , to his wise disposing , that knows our hearts , and will render to every one as his work shall be . Thine in the Love of the Truth , Ralph Iames. THE QUAKERS Subterfuge overturned , &c. ALthough the Truth of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ was long ago confirmed by divers Signs and Wonders , and Gifts of the Holy Ghost ; and therefore stands not in any need of further confirmation : Yet the Hand of God is not tied , but that he may yet ( even this way ) still his Adversaries , by stretching forth his Hand against them , as in former days , if so it pleaseth him , and especially against such presumptuous ones , as take upon them to denounce Curses in his Sacred Name , against his own Servants ( a practise too frequent with the Quakers ) and thereby to rebuke the vanity of such false Prophets , is but the accomplishment of his own Word , Gen. 27. 29. Psal. 119. 21. Now , how far forth the Lord hath this way shewed himself in the Controversie , depending between the Baptised Churches , and the People called Quakers , touching the Authority of the holy Scriptures to try the spirits of Men , or ( to express it more fully , the Authority of the Holy Ghost , as he speaks in the Scriptures , to try and judge the spirits of Men , which they term the Spirit of God ) under what pretence soever they come forth into the World to promote any design of Religion , and particularly the Spirit of the Quakers , is the Matter which now falls under consideration , according to a certain Narrative ( lately given forth ) of some remarkable Passages of Gods Providence , against the dictates of the Quakers spirit : Which Narrative I will here insert ( because this Book may come where the first did not ) and vindicate the same against the vain Cavils and Reproach cast upon it by the Quakers in their Book Entituled , The Anabaptists Lying Wonder ; to which , I now address my self by making good these ensuing particulars . 1. That the Matter reported in the Narrative , is no Lying Wonder , as it is untruly and immodestly represented in their Title Page . 2. That Richard Anderson was a Quaker in Principles , and did own the Quakers above all People , and was acted by the same spirit , and had frequent conversation with them touching their Principles . 3. That he and his family was afflicted , as is said in the Narrative . 4. That he and his , were delivered from affliction , as reported in the Narrative . 5. That the Evidences brought by the Quakers to invalidate the Narrative , are either forged , or unworthily abused . 6. That the Baptists and Independants used no juggling , touching any thing relating to the Narrative . 7. A recital of sundry abusive Expressions and Passages scattered throughout the Quakers Pamphlet . 8. An Exhortation or Admonition to all Christians , to beware of the Delusions of the People called Quakers . 9. Some Antiqueries to John Whitehead , the Author of the Postscript . And first , 1. That the Matter reported in the Narrative , is no Lying Wonder , &c. is thus shewed , Because it is neither false in it self , nor brought to maintain any Falshood , nor to oppose any Truth , and consequently cannot be a Lying Wonder , sith these are the particulars of which , in part , or in whole , all Lying Wonders do consist . Now what this Matter was in it self , shall appear in the probation of the Third and fourth particulars ; and , that it was not brought to maintain falshood , or oppose any truth , is thus evinced , viz. Because it was brought to vindicate the just Authority of Gods holy Scriptures and Ordinances ; and onely to oppose the spirit of falshood , which led Richard Anderson into the sin of a false prophet , as appeareth by reading the Narrative it self . The Narrative : RIchard Anderson of Panton , about Ten miles from Lincoln , came to our Meeting at Northwillingham , to hear the Gospel Preached ; who when he had been a hearer for some time , was convinced , and said , He did believe the Baptism in Water was an Ordinance of God , and that both Men and Women ought to be baptised in Water , as taking Jesus Christ for our Leader and Example ; so he went away for that time : But before he came again , he met with the People called Quakers , who told him , ( as himself confessed ) That he must not look upon these outward Ordinances , for they were low , [ But the Way of Life above to the Wise , Prov. 15. 24. Note also , That the Ordinances of Christ , as well as the Authority of the Scripture , is opposed by the false prophet , and consequently defended by the fulfilling his prophesie upon himself and family , ] but that now he must mind the Light within , and be guided by it , and not by the Scriptures , for they were a dead Letter . To which Light , he gave such heed , that when he came to our Meeting again , he much contended against the Baptism of Water , and said , That now they were to be baptised with the Baptism of the Spirit , and not with Water ; for the Spirit was to try the Scriptures , and not the Scriptures to try the Spirit . In answer to which , I said , That I believed that the Scriptures were to try the Spirits , and not the Spirits to try the Scriptures ( Meaning as before is said , That the holy Spirit , as he speaketh in the Scripture , is to try and judge the spirits of Men , and particularly the Quakers spirit , which they call the Light within ) he seemingly made Light of it , and said , That now we must mind the Light within . In answer to which , I said I was afraid that the Quakers were deceived , and guided by a spirit of delusion ; and , that it was my judgment , That all the Sons and Daughters of Men ought to be guided by the Scriptures , as being the Oracles of God , and the rule for us to walk by ; and he for the Light within , to be the rule for the Sons and Daughters of Men to be guided by . But as for every particular of our discourse , it is out of my remembrance ; so he went away for that time . And the Light which the Quakers did tell him ( as he said , he must be guided by , commanded him within a short time after , so that he came very early one Morning to my House and inquired for me ; so I went to him , and he told me , That he was commanded of God to come and reprove me for speaking against the People of God ( as he said ) called Quakers , and to exhort me to turn to the Light within , [ Here he speaks the very language and spirit of the Quakers , ] or else he was ( as he said ) to pronounce a judgment against me . I told him , That I thought him to be a false prophet , and possessed with a spirit of delusion ; then he said , He was commanded of God to pronounce me a Leper , from the crown of the head , to the sole of the foot . In answer to these words , I said to him , Through the goodness of God , I am not discouraged at what thou sayest ; but do believe thou art a false prophet , and possessed with a spirit of delusion ; and that I am not to take any notice of what thou sayest : But I do desire , withal my heart , that the Lord would be pleased to let thee see thy evil , and the error of thy way , that thou mayest report and confess thy error , that the Name of God may be honored , his ways and appointments exalted , and so his people may be better established , and confirmed in his ways and appointments . So we parted , and he went a little way from me , but returned again , and said unto me . Thou sayest , that I am a false prophet , deceived , and possessed with a spirit of delusion ; but it will be known by me or mine , or thee , Whether I be a true prophet , or false one ; and so he went home . But within a short time after he came home , the Lord was pleased to smite one of his children ( as he said ) spotted all over , himself and wife , and his other children were taken with a restless pain in their bodies also ; so that he was forced ( as he said ) to come again and confess he was deceived , and that he was a false prophet , and the same judgment [ Lo here is the true interpretation of the judgment intended by the false prophet , and not that which the Quakers fictitiously give out in their Lying Wonder , p. 7. ] he had pronounced against me , was faln upon one of his children , and that himself and wife , and other children were taken with a restless pain in their bodies : And he said , That he and his wife did believe , that if I would pray to God for them , they might all be restored again to their former healths . In answer to his words , I told him I could not at present give an him answer , but if he and his wife would please to meet me at Donnington , where I am to be by promise , the next Lords day , it may please God that your desire may be answered . He being very sad at that time , I fell a speaking to him , and asking him some questions about the Light within , which the Quakers bad him mind , and be guided by : And he told me , That that Light many times would , when he had sat down to eat his meat , and had drawn his knife to cut it , have commanded him to put it up again ; and so ( he said ) he had done several times , and gone without his meat : And that Light also ( as he said ) perswaded him to fast , and told him , That he should cure the sick . In obedience to which perswasion , he did fast , and came to our Town of Northwillingham , to the house of one Iohn Lamin , whose child was then sick and weak ; and he told me , he went to cure that child , but that Light and perswasion did deceive him , for he now saw he could not cure the sick . So according to my promise , I went to Donnington , and he and his wife met me there amongst our Friends , and did both confess what is here before mentioned , who also desired our Prayers to God for them , and so I with the Congregation there met together , did seek unto God for the removing that distemper and affliction , which he there with his wife confessed , that they and their children were under : And the Lord was mercifully pleased to hear our poor Prayers for them , and to restore them all to their former health again , which he himself confessed when he came to our Meeting afterwards ; to the praise of God alone , for ever be it spoken . This Relation is true witness my hand . Ralph Iames of Northwillingham in the County of Lincoln . As it is hence evident , this act of Gods Providence was not brought to maintain any falshood , so neither to oppose any Truth of God , but onely to oppose the falshood of that spirit which moved the deluded Quaker Richard Anderson to prophesie falsly in the Name of the Lord ; and though the evil he pronounced against me , fell on himself , and that so sensibly , as to convince him of his folly ; yet notwithstanding this , the Quakers in their Lying Wonder , will needs insinuate the fulfilling of that vain prophesie upon me , as if their prophet meant it not of outward diseases — And that for ought appears , they say ( in effect ) That I am as Leperous as Miriam was to this day . After this manner they may shift off the most manifest eviction of their falshood , and so delude their unweary Readers : But surely , he that uttered the vain prophesie against me , must in reason know his own meaning better then another . And sith he was convict by the Hand of Heaven , in smiting him with bodily diseases , and by sparing me in that kind , I shall take this Authors interpretation to be impertinent , and as false as the prophesie it self . [ A false prophesie as he designed it against me , a true prophesie against himself and the Quakers . ] Thus it appears , what befel Richard Anderson the Quaker , was no Lying Wonder ; and therefore the Title of the Quakers Book is not true . 2. That Richard Anderson was a Quaker in Principles , and own'd that People above all others , and was acted by their spirit ; Is palpable enough from what is said in the Narrative . First , In that he contributes his testimony to that which they call the Light within , at as high a rate , as the most of that way , which ( if they have any principles at all ) is the cheis of their Principles ; for he advanceth it above the holy Scriptures , and prefers its dictates in opposition to the Ordinances of Christ. Secondly , In that he took upon him to appear as a Prophet for the Quakers , condemning such as opposed them , and proclaiming them to be the People of God. Thirdly , By his acting after the manner of divers Quakers in these days , going on unsent errands , onely moved by the conceits of their own hearts , which they call the Light in them . But since the Quakers in their Lying Wonder , do so boldly deny that he was a Quaker , here therefore what is attested in that case [ Iune 17. 1672 ] since the publication of the Quakers Lying Wonder , in the presence of credible Witnesses hereafter named , who ( as they write , ) Having a desire to be fully satisfied concerning that which passed between Ralph Iames and Richard Anderson , and having seen the Narrative and the Lying Wonder , it was demanded of Richard Anderson , Whether he ever heard the Quakers ? He answered , Yes , he heard them at Lincoln , within the Prison , about the space of an hour [ And it is known by sad experience , that many in as little time , as that is , have been so levened with their Principles , as they have not been cleansed from the corruption thereof to the day of their death . ] And being further shewed , that the Quakers in their Lying Wonder , do say , That he had no further acquaintance or knowledge of their Principles then , by the hearing them a quarter of an hour . Richard Anderson affirmed , That before he was at the Meeting at Lincoln ; and after also , He had discourse with the People called Quakers forty times , touching their Principles , Saying moreover , That after he had been with the Quakers , he went to the Meeting at Northwillingham many times , to contend against the Baptists , more then for any thing else . Moreover he declared ( without any inquiry , ) That the reason why he went to pronounce Richard Iames a Leper , arose from the consideration of a passage , Numb . 12. And that he looked upon the People called Quakers , to be as eminently owned of God , as Moses ; so he was perswaded , God would send the same judgment on Ralph Iames for contending against the Quakers , as he sent on Mirriam , for contending with Moses . All this Relation is attested by Christopher Foster , William Skin , Iohn Walesby , Robert Trigg , and Richard Horton . Iuly 21. 1672. This last passage the said Richard Anderson did again relate almost word for word , in the presence of Christopher Foster aforesaid , and three strangers which came out of Oxfordshire , to have satisfaction concerning the Narrative ; at which time also , being asked by these strangers concerning the truth of the Narrative , he said , As to the substance of it , it was all truth , and that he would own it before any Man. This is subscribed by William Greenwood Iohn Stutchbury Iohn Grammar The Oxfordshire strangers . and by Christopher Foster , as ear Witnesses . The same general testimony of the truth of all the Narrative , for the substance of it , he the said Richard Anderson did deliver at another time , a few days before the last mentioned , in the presence of Christopher Foster , Iohn Walesby , William Skin , Robert Trigg , Richard Horton . Thus it appears , That Richard Anderson was a Quaker , &c. Nor can we have a better testimony , then a Man 's own confession in this case ; for he must needs know his own opinions better then another Man : Nor is it possible for us to prove , what conversation ( in all respects ) he had with them , because remote from him , and not concerned in the Quakers Congregations . And whether a Man 's own confession for matter of opinion , being attended with those demonstrations of the Matters of Fact hereby observed , be not a cogent proof to satisfie indifferent Men , I must leave the sober Reader to judge for his own satisfaction . 3. That he the said Richard Anderson , and his family , was afflicted by the Hand of God upon him , as is said in the Narrative . Here the Quakers make a very strange out-cry against me for evidence , as if Richard Anderson , and his wives testimony , were nothing in this case ? Surely , since the World was , there could never be a more cogent evidence against any Man ( ordinarily ) then himself ; and it s a Maxim , Where there is open confession , there needs no evidence . And one would think the Father and Mother of a Family , knows best the state of their Children ; and let the serious Reader consider , how unreasonable it would have been for me , to doubt of the truth of what Richard Anderson and his wife , both testified of their own pains , and of the sores of their child , &c. and that with great sorrow of heart , especially seeing him come the second time , and bring his wife with him three or four miles ( a person not wont to come to our Assemblies ) to attest , and request the same things , which he himself did ; and sith I had no ground to doubt , I had no necessity to go ( being not requested , nor any way related to any one of them , in point of Religion ) yet had I foreseen this peevishness in the incredulous Quakers , I might perhaps have deprived them of this their foolish advantage . But what shall I say , did our Blessed Saviour go to visit all , ( Matth. 8. 13. ) for whose health he prayed , I trow not . Neither did Paul , that chosen vessel , Acts 19. 12. visit all whom he was instrumental to heal ; for this they sent to him , and so had from his body again , their Aprons and Kercheifs , and by Faith received healing , yet we read not of his going to the places of their abode . [ But what am I ! O Lord , I confess unto thee , I am not worthy to be mentioned here ; nor was I an instrument of good to the afflicted , any more then the rest of thy servants met together to make their Prayers unto thee . ] But now let us hear what Richard Anderson himself hath testified before many witnesses in this case , since the publishing of the Narrative , and the Quakers Lying Wonder . Iune 10. 1672. The witnesses hereafter named write thus . We asked him ( meaning Richard Anderson ) when he had told us , that he did pronounce the judgment of Leprosie against Ralph Iames , Whether he himself had not a child presently after that , was Leprous ; and he said , he had a child then that did break out into sores ; and he did also acknowledge , that he went to Ralph Iames to desire his Prayers for the reparation of himself and his family . Witness Robert Wright , William Leesing , William Skin , George Hall. Robert Hollingworth . And for the Eye and Ear-witnesses which the Quakers call for , upon the occasion of that passage in the Title Page of the Narrative , and the wonderment they make that no Neighbor or Kinsman can be brought to testifie their knowledge of this judgment . To this I answer , first , That there are of the Neighborhood that say , They do remember about the time to which the Narrative hath Relation ( which is about nine years since ) the said Richard Andersons family was afflicted , but being unwilling to have their names brought in question , and there being no necessity for it , because we have that which is above the evidence of a Neighbor , even the testimony of the Parents concerning themselves , and their own children . I shall therefore forbear to mention their names . Secondly , For the Title Page of the Narrative , I say , it was not of my composing , and yet even that passage ( or any like to it ) is not without truth ( being candidly interpreted ) for there was as much evidenced both to the Eye and Ear of the Witnesses , in respect of the affliction of the Parents of the family , as was subject to such observation , viz. A sorrowful countenance , their complaint , and humble confession . 4. That Richard Anderson and his family were delivered from their afflictions , as it is declared in the Narrative . Although the Quakers are pleased in their Lying Wonder to deny this , and do bear their unmindful Readers in hand , as if none of the Witnesses to the Narrative , do evidence any thing in this case ; yet several of them do clearly attest the whole Relation in the Narrative to be true ; one Branch whereof is this , — The Lord was mercifully pleased to hear our poor prayers for them , and to restore them all to their former health again ; which he himself ( that is , Richard Anderson ) confessed when he came to our Meeting afterwards . True it is , they did not see the child , nor perhaps the Woman after their recovery ; yet they saw the Father of the family , whose testimony for himself , and for his family in this case , is considerable , notwithstanding all the cavillations in the Quakers Lying Wonder . Hear also what he the said Richard Anderson hath testified since the publication of the Narrative , &c. Iune 10. 1672. Richard Anderson being asked in the presence of divers persons , whether he did not go to Ralph Iames and desire his Prayers to God for him and his Family ? He answered , Yes , he did so , and that Ralph Iames did appoint him and his wife , to meet him at Donnington , where prayer was put up to God for them by the Congregation there met together . And being asked , if he thought any person could be sadder for the loss of any relation or dear friend , then he was at that time when the hand of the Lord was upon him ; he answered , no , for he was sad enough . In answer to this question , whether he did not come the next Lords day , after the Congregation at Donnington had prayed for them ; and there confess , that he and his family was all recovered , and in health again . He answered , Yes , he did so ; and said moreover , That what he said then , he would own it at any time , for he could not deny it . Witness to the first Part. Robert Wright , William Leesing , Robert Hollingworth , William Skin , George Hall. Witness to the second Part. Christopher Foster . William Skin . 5. That the evidences brought by the Quakers to invalidate the Narrative , are either abused , or by them most unworthily forged . For although they pretend a testimony from Richard Anderson , that he was no Quaker , yet doth he not say so , in all that which they say he subscribed , onely this is said , That he was but at one Meeting , read but one of their Books ; and yet it is proved before , That he had discourse with the Quakers forty times about their Principles , both before and after he was at the Meeting at Lincoln . What therefore no Quaker ? Surely some have become their Proselytes , by as little acquaintance with them , as this amounts to . I could tell them of one ( and that a Man of no small eminency ) who onely went down a yard with one of their Teachers , and came up again a Quaker , without hearing any other Preaching or Reading any Book at all , and so remained to the day of his death . Again , they pretend , that he the said Richard Anderson hath subscribed , That he and his family was clear from any Leprosie or distemper , but they offer no evidence at all of that subscription ; but let us hear what Richard Anderson saith now , to their pretended subscription . The Lying Wonder being read in Pag. 5. to Richard Anderson , touching that Relation which is said to be subscribed by him , Iune 15. 1672. the said Richard Anderson did affirm , That they ( to wit , the Quakers ) did write a Paper , and desired him to set his hand to it ; but he said he neither knew what was in the Paper , nor what he set his hand unto . And whereas they pretend one Katherine Hall ( an Alewife in Panton ) to be an evidence ; hear what she hath said . Being asked concerning this Matter , she said , I know not what they had written , which they desired Richard Anderson to set his hand to , and they desired to know my name , but I would not tell it them ; then they said they would learn it of some in the Town ; and they being thus importunate with me , I told them my name . Witness Christopher Foster . William Skin . Iuly 21. 1672. The said Katherine Hall being asked at another time , by the persons hereafter named , Whether she had set her hand to a Paper written by the Quakers , concerning the Narrative of Ralph Iames ; to this she answered , No , she did not set her hand to any Paper ; but they desired her name to a Paper , but she would not give it them . Then they desired to know her name , and she refused to tell them her name . Hereupon they said , if she would not tell her name , they would learn it in the Town . She answered , I am not ashamed of my name , and so she told it them . Being asked , Whether she lived in Panton when that passage fell out between Ralph Iames and Richard Anderson , she said , No , it is thirteen years since I went away from Panton , and it is but five since I came hither again ; and for that matter between those men , she knew nothing of it . Witness William Greenwood , Iohn Grammar , Iohn Stutchbury , Christopher Foster . Hence it appeareth , what Conscience those Men make of these their doings ; and how falsly they pretend this poor Alewives subscription , who it seems , perceiving their designs , was unwilling so much , as to tell them her name . And here it shall not be amiss to note , that they are very busie to get more evidence to their false cause ; and what Conscience they use in that respect , may be discerned from this Relation following . Iuly 21. 1672. Katherine Hall aforesaid , being asked , If there had not been some Men with Richard Anderson lately ( for it was reported the Quakers had been with him ) she said , Yes , there was six Men came to talk with him , who were Quakers , and they called for much Ale , and brought it into the Street , bad the People drink what they would ; and if they would have more , they should have it . [ Probably to move the people to be friend them with the more liberal testimonies . ] And hereupon it was reported by one of the Quakers , to the forenamed Christopher Foster , That Richard Anderson had denied all that formerly he had said , meaning it of his owning the Narrative : Wherefore Christopher Foster , with others , ( This Christopher Foster is a person of good repute , living in the Town of Binbrooke in Lincolnshire ) spake to Richard Anderson , and asked him of the Narrative , Whether he owned it to be true or not , and he said , As to the substance of it , it is all truth , and that he would own it before any Man. Attested by William Greenwood , Iohn Grammar , Iohn Stutchbury , Christopher Foster . 6. The Baptists and Independants free from any juggling in giving forth the Narrative ; Nor doth the Quakers in their Lying Wonder , make the least evidence appear , that can be termed an evidence in this case . They say ( and onely say ) that Richard Anderson is a Member of the Independant and Baptist people , and yet it appears not , that he ever heard the Independants at all ; and it is certain , he was never Baptised , and so not a Member of any Baptised Church in Lincolnshire ; nor are the Independants concerned for ought that appears ; in the publication of the Narrative , there are onely two or three places where they are mentioned , but no way as Confederates with the Baptists , onely Peter Stacy is brought in as an evidence , that Richard Anderson owned the Relation given by Ralph Iames , to be true . True it is , they were joyntly concerned in a dispute against the Quakers , but it was not at all about this controversie ; nor can their being named in I. Greens Letter , make them Jugglers , sith there he onely complains , that the Quakers abused them both as Liers , when yet there was nothing that appeared on the Independants part . Onely Mr Morley had given a Relation of the Matter , to some of his friends in London . But what is this to the Independants ? What evil hath he done in this Matter ? that he should have this odious Brand of a Juggler claped on his back ; and as if this were too gentle an Epithite they give him , the black mark of Horrid Li●r , and yet it appears not , that he hath said any thing at all ( in a manner . ) However , nothing that is blame-worthy in this Matter at all . And though the Anabaptist is charged with the same crimes , yet most unjustly , as hath already been evinced . And very unjust is that which is said in the Quakers Lying Wonder , pag. 1. That this story was found upon inquiry , made of Ralph Iames and Richard Anderson , to be a feigned imagination six years ago ; then which , nothing can be more untruly spoken ; for I have constantly affirmed , what now I have declared in the Narrative , and see no cause to this day to recal it . If the Independants in New England be no further culpable of the fault charged on them , then those our Neighbors in this case , the Quakers are very injurious in what they have reported , Pag. 10. of this their Lying Wonder . And thus have we seen an end of this pretended Juggle . 7. A particular recital of sundry abusive expressions , scattered throughout the Quakers Lying Wonder . It is a true saying , That evil words , corrupt good manners ; and therefore must needs be more corrupting in Matters of Religion . Now in this Liberty of ill speaking , many Professors have been justly reproved ; and this generation of Men called Quakers , do seem to exceed others in this miscarriage . I might fill much Paper , should I recapitulate what of this kind I have met with from them , it shall suffice therefore , that we view how this small Book of theirs is furnished ; that by a taste from thence , we may know the Fountain whence they draw that which they so freely fill out to others . Let us hear them speak . 1. They call their Book , The Anabaptists Lying Wonder , which is a title as far from modesty , as it is from truth . 2. They call the Baptists and Independants , Iugglers , and Horrid Liers , and that without cause , as is shewed . 3. They scornfully call Ralph James , an Anabaptist Preacher , a Testing Preacher ; a Lying Herald to proclaim his own vain glory . They charge him with horrid Hipocrisie , Deceit , and a Romance . 4. They represent the Baptists and Independants , as Makers and Worshippers of Images . 5. They term the Narrative a Brat crying in our Streets , a Fragment of Deceit , Cruelty , Malice , and Hipocrisie ; and the methods of its Writing , they term Irksom . 6. They scornfully term the Narrative , a new vampt story , hereby deriding J. Green by his Calling , for that he is a Shoomaker . 7. They tauntingly call J. Greene , a zealous London - Brother , and charge him with envious desires . 8. They charge Ralph James to be uncharitable beyond measure , because he visited not Richard Andersons family , though he was not desired . This shews what measure the Quakers give to those whom they love not , in their representment of them to the World , and whiles they tax Ralph James for want of Charity , they bewray their own barrenness of that grace . 9. They deride the Baptists and Independants , saying , They buoy one another up ; and term them an Hipocritical Generation . 10. They term the Relater , and Evidencs of the Narrative , Imposters , whose evidence ( they say ) centers in the same pitch of folly and falsity . 11. They scornfully call F. Baldock , one of the Sacrificers for the Leper , because he is a witness that the Church at Donnington , prayed for Richard Anderson and his family . 12. They represent J. Greene as a Fool and a Knave , by his own handy-work ; thereby deriding him for calling the judgment which befel Richard Anderson , the Lords handy-work . 13. They charge their opposites to be guilty of horrid deceit , and term them an Hipocritical Fraternity , because the time when that judgment which befel Richard Anderson for his presumptuous undertaking , was not set down . But sure this is the way to make the very Apostles , &c. Hipocrites too ; for though many of those things which God did by them , be set down , and that long after they were done too , yet the time is seldom mentioned . And what would it have signified , if the time had been precisely set down ( for that the business was more ancient , then of yesterday , was sufficiently intimated in the Letters Printed ) seeing the Men concerned , are both living , the places of their abode known , and easie to be found by any that would know further concerning that matter . 14. But it s not sufficient that they deride men , but they deride the way of the Lord ( and therein God himself ( Mal. 3. 13 , 14. ) also : As every discerning Reader may perceive , by reading Page 4. of their Lying Wonder , where having occasion to mention Baptism the Ordinance of God , they add this Parenthesis ( that is , Dipping in Water ) and before that , another thus , ( that is , Dipt , ) thereby to mislead their inconsiderate Readers , as if the Ordinance of Baptism were onely a Dipping in Water ; whereas every Dipping in Water may not be called The Ordinance of God , having nothing of that divine signification , of Christs dying for sin ; and rising again for our justification , and our dying to sin ; and rising to a new life ; as the Sacred Ordinance of God hath , I mean , the Baptism of Repentance for Remission of Sins , wherein the Washing or Dipping in the Element Water , in the Sacred Name of the Father , Son , and holy Spirit , is to be observed according to Christs Commission , Matth. 28. 19. And the Apostles Injunction , Acts 2.38 & 10. 47 , 48. And Christs own practice , Matth. 3. 16. John 3. 22. & 4. 1 , 2. 8. An Exhortation to all Christians to beware of the delusions of the people called Quakers . Nor can I do less ( having this occasion put into my hand ) then to admonish and exhort all Christians to look well to their goings ; for , let us know assuredly , that the days are perillous , because the time is come , wherein that doctrine which is according to Godliness ( even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ ) and , that form of sound words delivered to the Churches by the holy Apostles ; that form of Doctrine once obeyed from the Heart ; that Faith once delivered to the Saints ; is now in every place turned from , or lightly regarded , by many pretending to the high Calling of Christianity ; and they are therefore , and shall be more and more turned into Fables , according as is foreshewn in the Word of Truth . Wherefore seeing we know these things before , Let us beware , least at any time we be led away with the Errors of these days , and fall from that stedfastness in the Apostles Doctrine and Fellowship ; to which , through the grace of God , we have attained . And above all , Let us beware of those ; who either directly or indirectly , deny the onely Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ , whiles they believe not his Death , Resurrection , and Ascension , and second coming according to the Scriptures : But in stead of those necessary points of the Christian Faith , labor to refer ( by obscure ways , and a fair shew of words ) all these things , to the work of mortification , and what they ( pretend ) to experience in themselves . Labor therefore to distinguish between the work of Christ in redeeming Man , and the Work of his Spirit and Word , in sanctifying his people . Hold fast the first by Faith , and labor to live in the latter by blessed experience : Waiting for the Redemption of your Bodies , in the glorious Resurrection of the Just ; according to the working , whereby our Lord Jesus is able to subdue all things to himself . And be not deceived by any means , by the empty boasts of some in those days , as if they had already obtained to the Resurrection of the Dead , saying , That they even now do witness mortality to be swallowed up of life , with divers other such great swelling words of vanity . But ever remember , that Paul in his greatest attainments , wherein he heard things too high to be uttered to the Churches ; yet had he not then no , nor to this day , attained to the Resurrection of the Dead , but labored , if by any means he might attain it . And follow not those who indirectly ( or by consequence ) deny Jesus Christ , I mean those that deny his Commandments ; for , as one hath well said , Such as deny those things which Christ hath ordained to declare and keep in memory , his coming in the flesh , his dying , rising , ascension , and second coming , do ( at the best , unawares ) by consequence deny him to be come in the Flesh. By these things which are ordained to declare Christ come in the flesh , &c. I mean all Gospel Institutions ; for whether it be Preaching , and Praying , according to the Word , Sacred Baptism , or the Table of the Lord , &c. they serve to this end specially , to hold forth Christ , and him crucified , to come again and receive his servants into his Everlasting Kingdom . And thus the holy Gospel being duly observed in all its parts , with a constant waiting for the Son of God from Heaven , even Jesus who was raised from the dead , you shall be found unto praise and honor , for keeping the Ordinances , here , as they were delivered to the Churches , and to the glory of God hereafter ; for if any Man will serve Christ , him will the Father honor . 9. Antiqueries to John Whitehead , Author of the Postscript annexed to the Lying Wonder . In the Postscript , I note three things . 1. John Whitehead calls himself a Laborer in the Gospel . 2. He calls the Quakers , The People of God. 3. It is said Richard Anderson was not joyned to , or owned by the People called Quakers . Upon these particulars I Quere . 1. Whether he be fitly called a Laborer in the Gospel , who holds that the Gospel was never Preached in England , till George Fox preached it ? ( Not yet forty years ago . ) And whether thou did not assert this ? And being admonished of the consequence of that saying , viz. That then the Gospel preached by Fox , could not be the Gospel of Christ , because Christs Gospel was preached in England many hundreds of years before Fox was born , Whether thou did not still persist in thy assertion with this emendation , That the Gospel was not preached in England , as it is preached by the People of God called Quakers , till George Fox preached it ? And whether this do not make the Matter worse ? And is it not hence evident ? That thou Laborest not in the Gospel of Christ , but the Gospel of George Fox , which being no Gospel , it follows thou art no Laborer in the Gospel . 2. Whether he that holds that nothing which was Mortal , was called Christ , doth not thereby deny the death of Christ ? And whether thy conscience do not tell thee , thou asserted this ; and being shewed the sequel of thy words , ( viz. That then Christ died not , ) and an offer made by thy opposite , to recal that saying , if thou thought thou wast mistaken ? whether then did not thou refuse to recal it ; and chose rather to persist in thy error . And whether he that holds this dangerous position , can truly Preach the dying of the Lord Jesus for sin ? And how then can he Preach the Gospel . 3. Whether he that shall assert . That Christ hath no Body of Flesh , beside his Church , can Preach truly the Resurrection , Ascension , and second coming of the Body of our Lord Christ , according to Scripture . And whether thou did not assert this before many witnesses ! and if thou still art of the same opinion , how canst thou truly Labor in the Gospel ? 4. Whether by the words ( People of God ) thou means the Church of Christ , in visible Profession of the Gospel , according to the pattern of the Churches in the Apostles days ? 5. Whether the people called Quakers , are gathered , constituted , and governed , in a Church capacity , according to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles , Matth. 28.19 . Acts 2. 38. to 43. & 10. 47,48 . & 8. 12 , 13,14 , 15,16,17 . Heb. 6.12 . Ephes. 4.4 , 5,6,11,12,13,14,15,16 . Tit. 1.5 . Acts 14. 23. Phil. 1. 1. 1 Cor. 5. 4. 6. If not , ( as doubtless not ) then shew by what authority , and when that first order of gathering , constituting , and governing the Churches of Christ was abrogated ; and another way instituted instead thereof ? 7. Whether it be not sufficient for any to judge him to be a Quaker , that having conversed with them , receives their doctrine , opposes the Truths by them opposed , and upon the same pretences ; and owned not onely their doctrine , but their persons as the onely people of God , acts by their spirit , and prophesies or preaches in their behalf , and hath frequent conversation with them ? ( And whether the Quakers have any constant and visible order , to receive Members into their Congregations ? and if they have , then shew what it is ? ) And whether Richard Anderson had not all these ( demonstrable ) characters ; and therefore justly said to be a Quaker ? A Postscript of the Light within . BEcause every Truth ought to have its just estimation , and the design of the precedent Discourse , being not to oppose any Light which God hath ordained for Mans direction , Whether that which is common to all ( ordinarily ) at all times , by some called the Light within , or that which hath been manifested at sundry times , and divers manners . It shall not be inexpedient here to propose a few things : And first , 1. It is certain ( and not denied by the Baptised Churches ) that God Almighty hath endowed mankind with a Principle of Light , Vnderstanding , or Iudgment , to lead him to the consideration and observation of things good and honest among themselves , and to contemplate the divine goodness it self from the consideration of his wonderful Works , and to render to him the honor of his Mercies , &c. For as there is a certain relation between the Creator , and a Rational Creature , even thence arises a necessity of obedience on the Creatures part . Whereupon it behooveth , that he know him , and in general , what is his Will , whom he is to serve : And this is the great work of the Law written in the Heart of Man , Rom. 2. 2. But it is in the Liberty of the Creator to give further , what particular discoveries of himself , and of his will he pleases , beyond the extent of this common principle of Light. And this he did to Adam , in forbidding by a Positive Law the Fruit of one Tree , which without that prohibition had brought no inconvenience to eat thereof , seeing it was good for Food ; and therefore not sin , as some do vainly interpret this place . 3. That there is in the Godhead the distinction of Father , Son , and Spirit ; and that Mans salvation must depend on the death of the Son ; that he , to that end , should be born of a Woman ( even the Blessed Virgin , Mary by Name ) that he should rise from Death , and ascend the Heavens , come to raise the dead , and judge the World ; are things wholly beyond the reach of the common principle of Light in Man , and onely known by particular Revelation from the Omnificient God , who revealed these things to the Prophets , confirmed them by his Son , and hath witnessed the same by the Apostles . 4. That the Oeconomy , Order , or Government of the Church , should vary , viz. Be of one form in the old World ; of another from Abraham till Christ ; of a third , from Christ to the end of the World ; is that , of which the common principle of Light in Man , fails to give any ac●ount : Onely the Wisdom and Pleasure of the Creator , is the ground and cause of this alteration ; to which , the Light of Mans understanding must be subordinate . 5. That Abraham must cut off the foreskin , and his posterity observe the same for a Law , under pain of being cut off from the People of God , is no way perceivable by the principle of Light in Man , but may seem to be repugnant to it . 6. That the Saviour of the World should come to be Baptised of John in Jordan , and that it should become all his Disciples to follow him in that act of Obedience : That Israel must commemorate their deliverance out of Egypt by the Paschal observation ; and Christians their deliverance from Sin and Satan , by the Bread and Cup at the Lords Table , &c. Is that which the principle of Light in Man does not dictate , but he onely , who without controul , might require Abraham to offer his own Son for a Sacrifice , required these things , and must be obeyed , when , and in what he requires . 7. The sum of all , is this , The general principle of Vnderstanding , Light , or Iudgment in Man , is capable of improvements , and it is onely improved , by how much it is subordinate to the Will of God , as well in the lesser , as in the greater things of his appointment . And therefore the Quakers undeniably opposing themselves against many things required by the Positive Laws , and made known by the Revelation of the Almighty , concerning Mans redemption ; and the Order of the Church of Christ , are not obedient to , nor sincere favorers of the Light within , but are under the guidance of the Spirit of Darkness and Error , in such their opposition . Reader , WHereas it is said both in Word and in Print , That I Iohn Green of Southwark , deny the Truth of the Narrative given forth by Ralph Iames touching the Leprosie . These may certifie all whom it doth concern , that I do believe the said Narrative to be a Truth , and do appeal to the Conscience of several Quakers ; Whether I did not , both by Word and Writing , acknowledge the same to their faces , though by some of them pressed to deny it ; and now they have contrary to their promise published my name in Print . This Testimony is true , witness my hand Iohn Green. 21 Sept. 1672. Attested in the presence of these Witnesses , William Vridge , Timothy Morloy , Iohn Smith , Peter S●ager , all living in Southwark . Errata . Pag 11. Line 7. for Richard read Ralph . FINIS .