A sober request to the Quakers: published by Jer. Ives. Ives, Jeremiah, fl. 1653-1674. 1674 Approx. 5 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 1 1-bit group-IV TIFF page image. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2009-03 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A45833 Wing I1105 ESTC R213890 99826145 99826145 30537 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A45833) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 30537) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 1760:39) A sober request to the Quakers: published by Jer. Ives. 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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Quakers -- Early works to 1800. 2007-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2008-01 SPi Global Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2008-02 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2008-02 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-09 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A Sober Request to the Quakers : Published by JER ▪ IVES . WHereas I have lately charged you in a publick Meeting , that you are no Christians , and that your Friends of the Ministry are meer Impostors ; which Charge you have endeavoured to evade with various put-offs , Alleaging that it was besides the Business of the day ; which is manifestly false : for , was it not the Business of the day to examine the Charge against Tho. Hicks ? And was not this the first Article in your written Charge against him , that he writ a Dialogue between a Quaker and a Christian ? Now this being the first general Article , what could be more material in order to his Vindication than for him to prove ( or some one in his behalf , and the behalf of Christianity it self ) that you are no Christians , nor worthy to bear so venerable a name ? and if this be made manifest it can be no fault to oppose a Quaker to a Christian . But when I still inforced this Charge , and by several motives pressed you to vindicate the honour of your Profession , by responding to what I had objected against you . Wil. Pen stands up and makes a Confession of his Faith in Scripture expressions , which while you declaredly own such Books ( written by Quakers ) as contain in them Doctrines no way reconcilable to Scipture-Language , or Christian-Religion , but are destructive both of the one and the other , as I am ready to prove , it plainly shews that this Confession was but a meer Equivocation ( an old art of Deceivers ; who by good Words and fair speeches do the more effectually beguile the hearts of the Simple and less wary Hearers ) for , what if your Discourses and Confessions of Faith be cloathed with Scripture-Language now more than formerly , this doth but render those Confessions to be gross Equivocations , unless you will renounce your former vile , absurd , and nonsensical Opinions , which I proved to your Face do make void all rules of Christian Faith and Practice . And when by force of Argument I had driven you to that strait that you could make no reply , and finding my self under some indisposition of body after nigh six hours discourse with three of you , I thought it advisable to quit the Meeting ; which you making so ill an improvem●nt of , for want of better Arguments Will. Pen crying out ( as if he had been among the Boys in Moor-fields ) They run , they run ; others of you report as if I ran from the Charge , as being afraid or asham'd to own it : I say , your so base and insolent behaviour in my absence , who had nothing to the purpose to answer in my presence , gives me the occasion to let you know , that I am neither affraid nor ashamed to make full proof of what I have charged upon you , if you dare appoint a Time and Place for that purpose . And then appoint whom you will to Dispute the matter with me ; provided none be admitted to speak but us two , unless it be to correct any disorders either in the Disputants or Auditors ; as also that a certain hour be agreed on for the beginning , and another for the ending of the Disputation for that day ; and that neither party shall exceed the limites of that time so agreed on , unless it be by mutual consent . Upon these terms I earnestly request a Meeting with you to prove these two things against you . 1. That you are no Christians , what ever you pretend . 2. That your friends of the Ministry ( as you phrase it ) are Impostors , False-Prophets , and men of lying Spirits . Now if you shall not by all this be prevailed upon to meet according to this Request , I hope you will not take it unkindly if I conclude , that you that talk so much of the Light , care not how little you come at it , left your folly should be made manifest ; but if you take this for an unkind Conclusion , I hope this will please you ( viz ) that what ever you say of me , I shall pray that God would Convert you to Christianity ; and Subscribe my self , Your Friend , JER . JVES . POSTSCRIPT . This Meeting is desired to be distinct , without respect unto any Meeting that shall be a greed on betwen Tho. Hicks , and you , touching the matters you have objected against him . Published with Allowance . LONDON , Printed for F. Smith at the Elephant and Castle in Cornhil near the Royal Exchange . 1674.