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CYPRIANVS . lib. 2. epist. 3. ET de hoc quoque ad collegas nostros literas dirigimus , vt vbique lex evangelica , & traditio dominica seruetur , et ab eo quod Christus et docuit , et fecit , non recedatur . Quae vltra iam contemnere , et in errore pristino perseuerare , quid aliud est , quam incurrere in objurgationem Domini . Imprinted Anno. M D C XX. DE CONSECRATIONE dist . 2. c. 3. Cyprianus Caecilio . SEd vide frater charissime si quis de antecessoribus nostris vel ignoranter , vel simpliciter non hoc seruavit et tenuit , quod nos Dominus , et exemplo et magisterio suo docuit , potest simplicitati eius de indulgentia Domini venta concedi : nobis vero non poterit ignosci , qui nunc a Domino admoniti et instructi sumus . BUt see , most dear brother , if any of our antecessours either through ignorance or simplicity , hath not kept , or holdē that which our Lord taught us , both by his example , and precept , his simplicitie may be pardoned of the Lords indulgence , but we cannot be pardoned , who are now admonished and instructed . TO THE READER . I Have found nothing ( good Reader ) in Mr. Michelsons confutation worthie of any answere , but that which is borrowed from D. Morton or D. Denison , and hath been already answered in Perth assemblie . What is his owne , is new , but so absurd , that just lie he hath deserved the change of his surname frō Michelsone to Nihilsone . The judicious Reader may finde as much in Perth assemblie untouched , as may serve for defence of that which he hath lightly touched : and may find further in the Solution of D. Resolutus his resolutions for kneeling . I have now added this defence of our reasons , not so much for reply to his confutation ( for that was needlesse ) as for illustration , and confirmation of that which hath been alreadie written in the two former , and to obviat such cavillations , as perhaps may be used by some other of our opposites . I will keep the same ordour , which our Antagonist hath set down̄e : howbeit he hath divided our arguments , to make them seeme the weaker , as Medea rent , and scattered the members of her brother , that ther by she might the more safely flee : which fault Peter Martyr objected to Gardinerus . His arguments for kneeling shal be answered in the defence of our reasons , as occasion shall offer 〈◊〉 self : for his answers and arguments are all alike , and of equall strength . I will also , so farr as I may , eschew repetition of any thing already written in the two former treatises ●●ent this argument : yet so that this Defence shal be , as I ●ope , sufficient without them . Mr. Michelsone hath chosen a worthy Patron to his Pamphlet , my Lord of Scoone . The one keeped the doore sometime , when the other did execute the ordinance of the high Commission . Such ●●pps , such ●●●tuce . He hath given so notable proofe of profound knowledge in Divinitie , and subtilitie in handling this controversie in this worthie work of his , that the Bishop of St. Andros , ( a man as voyd of learning , as of good manners , ) hath made him a Doctor . He hath been sorning at the Treasurers gates for his wages , but he will not rest contented , till he get that which he gapeth for , a fatt bishoprik , the hope wherof will sharpen the witt of very mules and asses , lett be of so fine a witt , as Doctor Michelson hath . P. A. for Perth assemblie . Sol. for Solution of Doct. Resolutus resolutions . DEFENCE OF OUR I. ARGVMENT . THE gesture of our Lord , and his Apostles , at the Paschall Supper , was a kind of sitting gesture . The same gesture was continued at the Eucharisticall Supper . For whilst they did eat , to wit , of the second service of the Paschall Supper ( and consequently whilst they did sit ) Christ took bread , and gave thanks , Math. 26. 26. Mark. 14 22. This collection is so cleere , and evident , that the Papists themselves , hote persecuters for kneeling , doe acknowledge the same . Cardinall Baronius ; a That Matthew sayth , And as they were eating Jesus took bread , and blessed ; and Mark saith , And as they did eat Iesus took bread , and blessed , and brak it , it is all one , as if they had sayd , whilst they were sitting . But Matthew and Mark , sayth our new made Doctor , must be interpreted by Luke and Paul , who do say , that Christ did institute the Sacrament after they had supped , Luk. 22. 19. 1. Cor. 11. 24. I answer , that Paul and Luke speak of the cup , and not of the bread , Likewise after Supper , he ●ook the cup , and blessed . Likewise , that is , hee give thankes , as he had done before , when hee took the bread . Neither Paul , nor any of the Evangelists do say , that after hee had supped , hee took the bread , as they doe of the cup. This difference of speech made Bellarmine b to follow their opinion , who thought , that Christ consecrated , and distributed , the bread , in the very time of the Legall Supper , whilst they were eating of it , and that after other actions interveening , and the Supper ended Christ took the cup. There is no necessitie to collect such a disjunction of so heavenly a mysterie ; but the common opinion is to be retained , that this Mysterie was instituted per modum 〈◊〉 signi , in one continued action . Alwayes wee may see , that the bread being consecrated , and distributed , and eaten , before Christ took the cup , justly it may be said , that after supper he took the cup , seeing now the first halfe of this holy action was ended , and had intervened between their eating of the Paschall Supper , and the taking of the cup. Put the case that Luke and Paul had said that after Supper he took bread , their words must so interpre● Matthew and Mark , as that there be no contradiction . Christ took bread whiles they were eating , and yet notwithstanding after they had supped , because they were now closing vp their eating , and Christ entred in another act on . Barra●●us the Iesuit c faith , Howb●●t the whole Sacrament was instituted after supper , yet it was instituted in the end of the supper , while as they were yet sitting , and eating : for they eat other meat , 〈◊〉 the time of the institution of the heavenly food ▪ and therfore Matthew and Mark say , that the Sacrament was instituted , while as they were eating : for they were yet eating , when the Lord took bread , blessed , and brake . Thus much for the first collection of the sitting gesture of Christ and his Apostles at the Eucharisticall Supper , upon which all interpreters ancient and moderne haue builded . Suppose the first collection should faile , this second collection following will proue it . It behooved them either to sit , stand , or kneele . Stand they could not , for the beds joyned to the table would not suffer that gesture . They did not kneele ; for if Christ had changed the ordinarie gesture of sitting at the Paschall supper , into kneeling at the Eucharisticall , a gesture of adoration , and no table gesture , then kneeling had been instituted and not left indifferent , and arbitrarie : For to what end should Christ have changed the one in the other , except it had been his will to have it observed , as other changes made in passing from the last act of the Paschall supper to the Eucharisticall . But our opposites dare not say , that kneeling was instituted . If therfore they neither kneeled nor stood , it followeth that they ●ate . Never man was so impudent as to call this in doubt , till within these two or three yeares by past , that two or three hirelings have done it . In the Apostles times the gesture of sitting was continued in the Kukes : for the lovefeasts and the Lords Supper were so neere conjoyned in time , how be it different in mysterie , that Casaubone d saith , the whole action consisting of the sacred and common banket , was calied by Paul the Supper of the Lord from the better part . Augustine affirmeth that the Corinthians not onely conjoyned , but also confounded them ; and so doth Baronius the Cardinall vnderstand him , when he saith ; Augustine ad Januarium epist. 118. affirmeth , that the Corinthians used to take the Eucharist at supper , mixing sacred things with common , which the Apostle corrected . And afterward e he sayth , that the feasting described by Philo seemeth to have been mixed with sacrea purposes , like that of which Paul writeth in his epistle to the Corinthians . Now at that frugall feasting wherof Philo maketh mention , they sate on the ground upon mattes made of flagges , and their feasting was intermixed with hymnes and praises . Howsoever the Corinthians abused this holy action otherwayes , yet this intermixing declareth the usuall conjunction of the two parts , or actions . They being then in the Apostles time so neerely conjoyned in time , and distinguished onely in mysterie , it behooved them to sit at the one part , as they sate at the other : and so doth Bishop Bilson affirme f . The practise of many Kirks after the Apostles times , even till Augustines daies argueth , that they sate in the Apostles times . Bullinger , g from the different manner of celebrating this holy Supper related by Augustine , observeth as followeth : Whence that rite is stowed unto us , by which even as yet in Cathedrall Churches , and the Monasteries of the Benedictines on the day called The Supper of the Lord , before good friday , the Supper of the Lord is celebrated openly , and with great pompe : For the Gospell according to John is read publikly by the Deacon , and these most sweete conferences of Christ , which he being to depart had with his disciples are rehearsed . In the mean time the tables being set in order , the banketters sit down to them breaking unleavened bread , and reaching the cup to other , and so everie way representing the trace of the ancient Supper . This footstep of the ancient custome yet remaining amongst the monasteries of S. Bennets order , and observed upon Maundy Thursday , Morneus also observeth . See the Solution of D. resol . resolutions . h . Our first Argument then against kneeling in the act of receiving the sacramentall elements is drawn from the example of Christ and his Apostles at the first institution ; and the practise of the primitiue Kirks following in the Apostles times . Their gesture was not a gesture of adoration in the act of receiving , but a Table gesture ▪ for it was a sit●ing gesture they used , and not kneeling . Christ instituted Baptisme , but wee reade not that he baptised in his own person . But in this Sacrament hee was not onely institutor , as Lord , but also celebrated as a Minister , and set down a most exact and perfect paterne of celebration . The practise of the Apostles following the same order is a direction to us to follow the same also . We reason likewise from this example and practise , against any other gesture which is not a Table-gesture , howbeit not with the same force , as against kneeling . There is eating with walking ( as Pios the Monk did , who said hee would not make a worke of eating his meate ) but this is no table-gesture . To stand in the act of receiving , and then passe by , as in some Churches they do , is not a table-gesture . For there is no more use of a Table in this case , when the communicant standeth , & taketh out of the ministers hand , more then of a cupboord , or dressor , suppose it were never so long . For so it serveth onely to the setting on of the elements , that from thence they may bee reached by the hand of the Minister to the Communicant . A table of as short dimensions , may serve to that use , at the Papists require of necessitie for their Altar to hold up the foot of the Chalice , and so much of the plate , as may keep it from falling , together with the Masse-book , and the candle . We reason thirdly from the same example and practise , but with least vehemencie , against other table-gestures also , as standing about the table ; because it is not agreeable to the first paterne and practise . It was not coena stataria , aut ambulatoria , but accubitoria , which Christ and his Apostles celebrated : not a standing or walking , but a sitting supper . But to returne to kneeling , I conclude with the words of Calvin , who sayth , That they are sure that they swarve not from Gods commandement , who take the sacramement as God hath commanded without adoration . They have the example of the Apostles , who prostrate not themselves but took sitting . They have the practise of the Apostolicall Kirks , &c. And of Beza against Harchius , k So like , as when the LORD truely to be adored as God , and as God and man at table did institute this holy Supper , that the disciples arose , to the end that falling on their knees , they might receive that bread and wine out of his hand : and so like as the Apostles were ignorant h●● to deliver to the Kirks the manner of celebrating these mysteries . It is objected first ▪ that if this argument be go●d then the minister should teach sitting , because Christ taught sitting . But the case is no alike . For the Lords supper is a rituall action , and a visible object is presented before the communicant . Christ taught us by his example , how to behave our selves in such a case . Next , Christ taught sometime standing , sometime sitting , according to the opportunity of time and place . He sate in the mount , Mat. 5. he stood in the plain , Luk. 6. Paul stood up and made his exhortation in the synagogue , Act. 13. He that prophesied stood up , 1. Cor. 14. 30. as Cajetanus doeth collect . l The originall word signifieth , that the other prophet who was not in the act of prophesying , was sitting , not sitting by . Lastly , this objection may be retorted upon themselves , That seeing Christ and his Apostles and all teachers and hearers in all ages afterward , did not preach or heare preaching kneeling , we can have no warrant to do it . If not at delivery or receiving of the word , then also not at the delivery or receiving of the sacramentall elements . It is objected next , that Christ and his Apostles sate not at the paschall supper alter our manner of sitting , and that it was rather a lying then a sitting , as the originall words anakeisthai and anapiptem do import ? It hath been answered already m that it was not totally lying , but partly sitting , partly lying , and translated sitting , not lying , by the English translators . Yea the holy Ghost doth expresse this same gesture also by the word sitting in the originall language , Ezech. 23. 41. That kind of gesture , ( whether brought in among the Iewes by the Romans or Persians , or if it was as ancient as the dayes of David or Salomon , as some do collect out of 1. Sam. 9. 22. Prov. 7. 14. 16. Cant. 1. 12. it is not materiall ) succeeded in the roome of upright sitting , and hath given place again to the same , as answering analogically to it . It was in Christs time the received manner of sitting , and no further is required of us but to observe the received gesture of the countrey , where we are . It is also to be observed that anakeisthai and anapiptein are not the proper vocables to expresse this kind of gesture , as Athenaeus doth testifie . n Beza in Math. 8. 11. sayth , that anaclinesthai is put there for cataclinesthai the proper greek vocable of this gesture . Farther , howbeit in a private parlor a small number did sit after that manner at the first paschall supper , yet it is no way probable , that in the Christian assemblies afterward in Corinth , Ierusalem , or else where , they sate after the same manner . For howsoever there is mention made in ancient writers of houses of 60. 80. or 100. beds , that was not common , but peculiar to princes and great men . Plutarch o noteth it as a vice in a man to build houses for 30. supping beds , or above . Shall we then think , that the Apostolicall Kirks had the use of such houses for their meetings , or that the Lords supper could be celebrated in such a form in their numerous assemblies . It is thirdly obiected , that if we be bound to the imitation of Christ , and his Apostles gesture by as good reason we shall be bound to the imitation of the time and place ; that is , to celebrate after supper , and in a private house . It is answered that the circumstances of time and place of the first supper were onely occasionall , and the occasion of them was vnavoydable because of the law of the passe over . But the gesture might be easily changed by Christ without violation of Gods law , namely seeing the paschall supper was ended . It was a easie to them to goe to their knees , as to the Aegyptian Naucratits after they were set downe to their feasts , when they began to sing hymnes to their gods . But our Lord would keep the same forme at the Eucharisticall supper , which hee kept at the paschall . Our Doctor sayth , that the Apostles retained these circumstances , and changed them not . I answer , if that were true , we have no reason , nor warrant to doe otherwise . Next , if the Apostles retained these circumstances upon occasion , and not for imitation , upon necessitie , & not voluntarily , then he hath gained nothing . For we deny not , that in times of persecution , or when occasionally there falleth out any necessity , we may celebrate in the night , and in a private house , where the Church is assembled . The Apostles would not have been suffered to celebrate the supper in the temple , as sometime they were overseen to teach . Next , it was not so fit for the celebration of the Lords supper , as for the preaching of the word . The first was ordeined onely for the beleevers : the last , to convert also unbeleeving Iewes . Thirdly , there is no likelihood that they celebrated ever at night . For howbeit at Troas Act. 20. it were granted to have been celebrated at midnight ; as some do call it in question , yet who seeth not , that it was then d●layed to that time , not because it was the usuall time , or for imitation of the institution but onely upon occasion . The Apostle being to depart , did continue preaching , and so that action was continued . The Centurie vvriters doe not affirme , that the Corin●hians did celebrate after supper , but onely say videtur , that it seemeth so . But Chrysostome p affirmeth the contrary , that they did celebrate in the morning . It is sayd Act. 2. 46. that they continued daily with one accord in the temple , and breaking of bread from house to house . Pa●ae●s sayth , q that the Apostles did not adstrict themselves to the evening , but occasionally ministred the Supper , sometimes in the day time , as Act. 2. 46. sometimes late in the night , as Act. 20. whereby they shew that the time of the Supper is indifferent . Defence of our second Argument . TO the due ministration of the Lords Supper there is required a table , whereabout the communicants are to be placed . If a table , then also a table gesture ; kneeling is not a table-gesture . Therefore kneeling is not a fit gesture for this Supper . A table is so requisite to this action , that from a table this supper hath received one of the scripture names , that is , to bee called the Lords table , to distinguish it from common tables . As it is called breaking of bread , because that rite was usuall in the celebration of this sacrament . By this reason , sayth the Doctor , it should be celebrated at evening , because it is called the Lords Supper . It is true , that in our language , this word , Supper , signifieth onely the evening meale , but not so in the originall . For the word Deipnon in ancient Greeke writers signifieth indefinitly the repast that a man taketh any time of the day , yea suppose it were before the rising of the sunne , as may be seen in Ho●●er the Greek Poet. The banket or feast w●●ch Luk. 14. is called Deipnon , is called ●●●th , 22. ariston . Cas●ubonus r observeth 〈◊〉 of Photius , that Paul called this Sacramentall ●anket Deipnen , according to the 〈◊〉 of the word in Pauls time ; meaning that all ●an●ets were called Deipna , howbeit they were not 〈◊〉 the end of the day . He confirmeth this in the 〈◊〉 following , when hee sayth , that the ●asts of idolatours in their temples were also called Deipna not Arista . Read Concilium Ancyranum , where yee shall also find these idolatrous feasts expressed by this word deipnon . The word which was ever used to signifie that which we call Supper , is dorpos , or dorpon . Casaubonus giveth also this reason of the name , That it is called a Supper , rather then a dinner , because of old they dined sparingly and supped more liberally , to signifie the plenty and liberality of this feast . Other allegoricall reasons of this name I omit . To returne then , not onely was this feast called the table of the Lord , but also it had a table indeed , not onely in the Apostles time , but also many ages afterward , both for consecration and distribution . Now it was not a money-changers , or writers table , but mensa conviv●alis a feasting table which Christ and his Apostles used , and not without some profitable consideration . For a Table was counted sacred of old by the Ethnicks , and they thought the gods were present there at their feasts s , and likewise the Poets bring in sometimes their gods feasting at a table . There is a notable sentence of Ben Syra Mensa parata , sive posita cententio tollitur , the table being prepared and set , contention ceaseth , signifying that the communion of one table betokened reconciliation ▪ and loue . The Iewes say , that when some altercation arose in the house of Ishbosh●●h the son of Saul , the servant incontinen● spread the Table , and the altercation ceased If at prophane feasts , a table was counte● sacred , and a symbole of concord and fidelity , far more at this sacred feast , which is a banquet of Loue. Musculus therefore is not to be commended for his saucie censure of the laudable custome of the reformed Churches , where are , and hath been so many worthies : I will forbeare comparisons . Luthers testimonie set down by Musculus in that same place is memorable . Therefore Christ so instituted the Sacrament that in it we should sit at Table . But all things are changed , and the idle ordinances of men are come in the place of Divine Ordinances . Musculus himselfe on Matth. 26. 23. observeth in the ancient Proverb Mensam & salem non transgred● , that the Table was counted sacred , and a symbole of friendship . And deploreth the corruptions of our times , wherein neither the fellowship at the prophane , nor mysticall Table , maketh us mindfull of this dutie . And in his Common Places t he saith , that to a sacrifice belongeth an Altar , to the communication of the sacrifice a Table . A feasting Table then being granted , the gesture of Kneeling , being no Table-gesture , must be excluded in the act of banquetting , which is the proper use of the Table . The Christians under the ten persecutions , it is true , could not haue the commoditie of high tables , and seates a swerable . But it is neither the height , nor the matter that we stand upon . Whether the table be round , square , or extended in length : whether it be of timber , or stone ; of a bull hide , or a plot of ground : whether it be high or low ; the forme and ●ashion of a table ought to be observed , that the Communicants may communicate table-wise : Whether they convene in dens , or deserts ; in Kirks , or houses . Wine is one of the Sacramentall elements , and yet Volaterranus writeth that the Priests of Norway were permitted to consecrate in other liquor then wine , because wine could not be kept in that Northern Country . So a plot of ground whereabout men sit and feast , answereth analogically to the high ●able . As for private consecrations in time of persecution , like that of Lucianus th● Martyr who used his breast for an Altar , when he was in prison : or for keeping the Sacrament , and communicating a part , belong to the controversie of private consecrations , and private communions , to be enquired , whether they did right or not . Wee are now speaking of Assemblies , and Congregations , whether in time of peace , or under persecutions . See further of this second Argument in the answer to D. Resolutus . v Defence of our third Argument . CHRIST said in the plurall number , Take ye , eat yee ; not take thou , eat thou , in the singular number , as the minister speaketh to the communicant kneeling ▪ He produceth Musculus , saying that Christ gave the bread to every one of the Apostle● severally . But the same Musculus acknowledgeth that Christ gave the cup to the nee ▪ rest , and not to every one severally . Now as Christ sayd , take ye , drink yee all of this , so he said , Take yee , eat yee . Gabriel Bi●l x Swarez y the Iesuit , and Cajetanus z have devised another forme , which will sort better with the phrase of the Evangelists . To wit , That Christ did breake the bread in so many peeces , as there were communicants , layd them in a plate , and reached the plate to them , saying , Take ye , eat ye . And as for the cup , they acknowledge it was given onely to the neerest , and that the words were so spoken generally to all . The D●ct . saith , that Christ speake first generally ▪ Take ye , eat ye , and then he gave the bread to very one of them severally . Otherwise ( saith he ) Christ should have given the b●e●d before it was a Sacrament , meaning before hee had said . This is my bodie . But I would demand , if Christ said first generally , Take yee , eat yee , this is my body , if he said againe , Take thou , eat thou , this is my body , when hee gave to every one severally : as many of t●e schoolemen adstricting the power of cons●cration , as they call it , to the five words , Hoc est enim corpus meum , do feine , that Christ spake these words twice . Which Swarez refuteth ; a because it changeth the order of the ●●xt set down with so ●ull consent of Paul and the Evangelists , no reason enforcing them so to do . Or did Christ in giving severally , utter the Gregorian prayer , or what said he ? Likewise when he gave the cup , ●e behoo●ed according to his imagination first say generally ▪ Take ye , drink ye all of this , This cup is the new Testament , &c. and then give it severally to every one ; and then what said he ? Did he repeat the same words : or utter the Grego●ian prayer for the cup , or wha said he ? Is not this Popish shifting of the Doctors , violence done to the t●x● . As if the text were not cleer of itself , that Christ in the very act of giving did joyn the words of promise ▪ this is my bodie , to the element consecra'ed before by prayer , and then they eate of it . Swarez without any violence done to the text , saith better , agreeing with his div●ce of distributing the bread , when he saith b After the Lord had taken the bread , and blessed it , hec divided it insufficient number of peeces , and ordered them a the Plate , and reached them to his Disciples , saying the words of consecration , which being finished , every one received his own part , and communicated . What is further alledged by the Doctor against this third Argument , shall be answered in defence of the fourth reason , as in a place more convenient . The Doctor casteth by , in a dark corner , two of our reasons , as not worthy to be answered , or ranked in order , & number with the rest . First we say , that where kneeling is in use , the Sacramentall breaking after that ksgiving is not enioyned , so far as we can find in their Service books , when as other rites invented by man are injoyned . And for practise , Paraeus testifieth that the Lutheran Kirkis have it not , but have the bread cut in small pecces before it be brought to the hands of the Minister , which is not that Sacramentall breaking instituted by Christ. The Doctor ●aith that he and some other of his followes doe break the bread . But I would demand , if that be the common order of the Kirks where kneeling is in use . Next if it be a breaking in the own time , and place , that is betwixt the thankesgiving , and giving with these words , This is my body , as Christ gave it . For the Papists have a kind of breaking after all the words are finished . For belike it is heresie to breake it before they have said ; Hoc est enim corpus meum . The second reason disdainfully rejected by the Doctor , is this , that kneeling hath brought in a change upon the sacramentall word , changing the enunciative forme of the words , T●is is my body into a prayer uttered in the act of delivery of the el ments to the communicant , The body of our Lord Jesus , which was given for thee , prese●ve thy body and soule unto life everiasting . He bringeth in Perkins approring the m●tter of Doctrine conteined in this prayer . So doth Perkins many other heads o● doctrine cōcerning this sacrament . But where doth Perkins allow this kneeling , or forming any such d●ctrinall poynt in a prayer , to displace the comfortable words of the promise conceived by Christ himselfe . He sayth , that he and his fellowes utter the words of promise before the giving of the ●read , and in the act of giving use the prayer . But he speaketh without a warrant . Mr. ●alloway sayd , we shal say , Take this as a pledge 〈◊〉 Christs body , and that , sayd hee , will hold out all idolatrous thoughts , suppose yee kneele . And who appoynted that prayer to be uttered in the act o● giving ? There is no such ordinance in our K●●k ; The Doctor who will be conforme to English ●orma●ties , before ever he be enioynee , is not a rule to others . It is strange , that the worth●est preachers should be persecuted for kneeling before that all the rest of the formes belonging to it , or depending on it , b● brought in , without the which it cannot bee put in practile , It agreeth not with the Scottish forme , and the English hath not ye● been prescribed , But to come to the Doctor his forme . That is ou● question ; wherefore th● vvords of the promise are not uttered in the act of distributing , when the bread is given to the communicant , according to the order of the institution , a Christ himselfe did , but other vvords are put in their place . To reheare the vvords o● the institution , and the words of promise among the rest , may very well se●v● to shew what warrant we have out of the word to minister that holy action , but it is not t●e ministration it selfe , as Christ ministred that action . I wish it were well observed , that in the English service-booke the words of the institution are rehearsed in forme of a prayer to God , in a contnuall tenor with the prayer begun in other words before , just according to the order observed in the Canon of the Masse . And so the words are reh●arsed not to the communicants as Christ uttered them to the Apostles , but prayerwise to God , as the Priest doth when he offereth the sacrifice of the Masse , which is a great absurdity , and abuse of holy Scripture . There the words of promise are uttered in an enunciative forme , but to God ; as if there could be no consecration before the rest of the celebration , except these words be pronounced with the prayer . I dare be bold to affirme , that the sacrifice of the Masse had never entred into the Kirk , if this double action , one of consecrating with rehearsal of the words of the institution all at once , without the rites correspondent to the words ; another of distributing with other words , had not first entred . The first turned into sacrificing , the second onely remained to be called the sacramental service , or communion . Defence of our fourth Argument . THE communicants ought to distribute the elements to others , according to Christs precept , Divide it amongst you . This distribution cannot consist with kneeling . He alledgeth Fenner against this distribution , but impertinently : for he speaketh nothing against it . Beza is so farre from den●ing that precept , Luk. 22. 17. to be meant of the communion cup , that he are be bold to conj●cture the verses to bee transposed , and that this should bee their order , 16 , 19. 20. 17. 18. Luke applieth the protestation , that Christ will drink no more of the fruit of the ●●●e , to that same cup which he commanded them to divide amongst themselves . But that protestation is applied to the communion cup by Matthew and Mark , Math. 26. 28. 29. Mark. 14. 24. 25. It was therfore the communion cup which Christ commanded to divide . He alledgeth against this reason , Piscator in Math. 26. 29. saying , that it is no absurditie to think that Christ made that protestation twice , once of the paschall cup , and again of the communion cup. But writing afterwards upon Luke , he sayth , as being better advised , d that there is inversion of order to be observed in Luke , in so farr , as that part of the action , which concerneth the wine , is set downe vers . 17. and 18. before the action concerning the bread . For that these words are to be understood of the cup of the Lords supper , it is cleare sayth he , out of Mark. 14. 24. 25. who subjoyneth immediatly to the words pronounced of the cup of the Lords Supper , these words , I will drinke no more , &c. No Evangelist maketh mention twice of this protestation of not drinking more ; how then can men so boldly conjecture , that it was spoken twice , once of the Paschal cup , and againe of the Eucharistical ' Matthew and Mark make this protestation to be spoken but once , and that of the communion cup. Againe , if Christ had made this protestation concerning the paschall cup , how did he keep his promise , if he did drink after the paschall cup , of the Eucharisticall cup ? Hee sayth Musculus doubteth , if it may be assirmed , that Christ himselfe did eat , and drink , of the sacramentall bread , and wine . But he doubteth without reason . Doth not Matthew and Mark say , that Christ protested ●nene the communion cup , that hee would drink no more of the fruit of the wine after that . It followeth then that he drank of it . When the Schoolmen are to prove that wine is one of the sacramentall elements , they cannot find a proof in all the foure Evangelists , but in this protestation , e that hee will drink no more of the fruit of the vine . Gabriel B●el groundeth his proofe on this protestation , as it is set down by Luke , and collecteth , that neither the wine of apples , nor wine as it is in the berry , but as it is potable , is the matter of consecration in this sacrament . Doth not Musculus himselfe say , f I thinke there is no man will deny , that wine was in the cup. seeing the Lord sayd , Math. 26. Luk. 22. that hee would drink no more of the fruit of the wine , &c. Chrysoltome sayth , Ipse quoque bibi● ex eo , ne ●●itis illis verbis dicerent , Quid ? ergo sanguinem 〈◊〉 , & carnem comedimus ? & pertuba●entur . He drank also of it , lest hearing these words , they should say , What ? Doe we then drink blood , and 〈◊〉 ? and so should be troubled . And Hierom ●aith , g that the Lord was conviva , & con●●●um , comedens , et qui comeditur , the banketer , and ●e banket it seife ; he who did eat , and was eaten . Where to should I cite many old testimo●●● . The two ancient h hymnes , are suf●●●nt . He needed not to partake of this ●●●ment for himselfe , yet for example sake , ●o shew , what others should doe , hee communicated with his Apostles . Hee needed ●ot to have been baptized for himselfe , and 〈◊〉 he was baptized for the instruction of others ▪ It becommeth him , who inviteth others to a banket , to eat with his guests . Se● further in i Buc●nus common places . Hes sayth next , that Christ kept his promise , albeit he drank of the cup of the new Testament , after that hee drank of the paschall cup , but letteth us not see , how that should be . He protested , that that passover should be the last , he should eat with them in this mortall life , and this hee performed . He sayth he protested the like of the paschall cup , Luk. 22. and yet drank after that of the communion cup , but that is the very thing we deny : and we have already made manifest , that there was but once protestation made anent the cup , and that it was the communion cup. Further , this protestation was made anent the last cup ; but so it is , that the cōmunion cup was the last cup. k Christ alluded to the Canon , and custome , whereby it was not lawful to tast any thing that night after the last cup , the cup of ●praise . Christ foretelling his death , protests he will drinke no more of it , not that night onely , but not at all in this mortall life . The obaldus Meuschius l proveth that this protestation was once onely spoken , and that of the Sacramentall cup , by this same custome of the Iewes . Inde concludi potest , quod Iudaei panem . & poculum soliti sint distribuere , prorsus in sine Paschatis quibus distributis quicquam porro gustare ea vespera nefas erat . He not onely openeth up Hysteron proteres Lucae contin●um , the inversion of order i● Luk , and affirmeth the distribution of the cup ver . 17. to be meant of the communion cup : but also saith , therfore m it is likely , yea almost necessary , that the verses 17. and 18. were taken out of the institution of the Supper which ●odoweth , and were placed here by the negligence of W●uers . Howsoever it be , if there be not transposition of the verses , there is anticipation in the matter , and purpose it selfe . To the reasons and testimonies before alledged , and in Perth Assembly , and the answer to Doctor Resolutus , I adde onely the testimony of Swarez . ( z ) Howbeit these words , I will not drink , be related before the consecration , yet it seemeth to be done by way of anticipation : for Matthew and Mark relate them after the consecration . Seeing ●hen we have so many reasons , and such a cloud of witnesses , both of Papists and Protestants , the ancient Fathers , the Schoolemen , and moderne Writers , hat the Precept divide it amongst you , belongeth to he communion cup ; Kneeling in the act of receiving the Sacramentall elements cannot have place . It is true , when Christ said , drink yee a●● of it , hee required that one should not drink out all that was in the cup ▪ as the Priest doth in the Masse , but that every one drink of it . But this precept , divide 〈◊〉 you , import●●h further , that they should divide , and distribute it among them selves . Christ saith not , Let it be divided , or , I w●d divide it , but , divide yee it amongst your selves . When Christ gave the cup to th●●●rest , he took it not from him againe , to d●l●v●r it to the next ; n●r yet did every one s●t down the cup on the Table , that the next might take it up from the Table , but they reached the cup to the other . So was the last Paschal cup caried frō hand to hand . This last Paschall cup was changed into the Eucharistical , & when it was changed , it was carried from hand to hand after the same manner . Piscator o saith , that they reached the cup one to another , Bellarmine saith , Caiuem autem non fregit nec div●sit ipse discumbentibus . sed dedi● integrum ut unus alteri porrigeret , de Eucharist lib. 4. cap. 25. Christ brake not the cup ▪ nor divided it himselfe to the ●i●ters , but gave it whole , that one may reach to another . Swarez saith p hee applyed not with his own hand the consecrated bread to the mouthes of the Aposties , but onely offered the plate to them , and t●ey tooke it with their own hands . which u more evident in the cup , in these words , Take it and divide it amongst you . It was carried therfore by the Aposties own hands from one to another . Seeing therefore this is acknowledged , not onely by Calvin , Beza , Piscator , Bellarmine , Swarez , Walterius , and many moe both Popish and Protestant Writers , that , divide it amongst you , concerneth the communion cup , we may not heare without any gaine-saying , that it is indifferent , whether the Ministers or the Communicants , distribute it . For if Christ commanded the cup to be distributed by the Communicants , who hath authoritie to make it indifferent ? But when it is made indifferent to open a doore to superstitious and idolatrous rites to enter in , then is Christ Precept most of all to be observed , If the cup should be divided by the Commumunicants , then is it like that the bread should be divided also , seeing Christ said of the br●ad , Take yee , eat yee , in the plurall number . See Piscator in Matth. 26. He saith q It is probable that the Lord brak the bread in two parts , and gave one of them to him that sa●e neerest to him on the right hand , the other to him , that sate on the left , and that they reached in order to the neerest . B●za , Tossan●s Hospin●anus , Tindall say the like : Mornaeus , Sibrandus , and others , extend the Precept to the bread also . The reader will finde them already all●dg●d in Per●● Assembly , page 41. 42. 43. and ●he answer to Doctor Resolutus , page 8. 9. An●logie requireth that the Communicants should distribute the bread as well as th● cup. And it were not seemely to see the Communicants distribute the cup , and the Minister to goe along to minister the bread . That the cup should be divided by the Communicants is sufficient for our Argument against kneeling . For it excludeth kneeling 〈◊〉 receiving the cup. If we may not kneele , when we receive the cup , should we kneele when we receive the bread ? I bel●●v that there is no man so absurd , as to think it . This rite of the Communicants dividing the elements , say we , hath a profi●●●le use , in that it is an interchange amongst the Communicants of tokens of l●ue and amitie . Hee answereth that the Primitiue Kirke had another meane , to entertaine love , and friendship , to wit the Love-feasts . Let the taunt which he borrowed from Gardinerus be here retorted against himselfe . He hath his mind in patinis . Iude saith that the false Teachers were rocks , or spots in the feasts of charity feeding themselves without feare . They would have wished that world to last ever . Doeth he think that the Love-feasts were to remaine , as long as the Sacrament of the Supper ? They are worn● long since out of use , and no trace of them left , saving that when the solemnities of the Masse are ended some bread is distributed to the poore , as Bullingerus reporteth . There is also some footst●p of them , as some doe think , at fu●erals . Wee point out a rite commanded , which should endure , seeing it was commanded , he leadeth us to another temporarie custome . s The guests in evill bankets of old , entertaining others courteously reached a cup of wine to others , which cup they called , Philotesia , Metonymicallie , because it was a symbole of loue and friendship , which name a man may justly impose 〈◊〉 the cup of the holy Supper of the Lord , saith St●●k●us . There be other tokens of love in the Supper it selfe , without the Love-feasts ; yet one token should not justle out another . We cannot be too much remembred of this duty . To drinke of one cup betokn●th friendship , but to reach the same cup also to others expresseth this duty in a more lively manner . Defence of our fifth Argument . KNeeling , say we , maketh many communions in one Congregation , in the place of one , without any necessity : wheras if wee keeped the right order , wee needed not to doe so . This addition without any necessity , he leaveth out , and impugneth the rest . We set to that addition without any necessity , because some Congregations are so populous , that they cannot communicate together in one day . Neither doe I thinke that any reasonable man will allow Congregations to be so populous , that they cannot communicate together in one day . That P●rishes should be of so large extent , and Congregations so populous , is rather to be reformed as an abuse , then to be allowed . So the addition of that clause , without necessitie , is onely made in respect of the corruption of the times , not of that order which should be . Our Argument is grounded upon the Apostles precept , 1. Cor. 11. 33. Where 〈…〉 brethren when ye come together to eat , ta● 〈…〉 another . He sayth , that this text is alledged impertinently , because the Apostle by these words would redresse a certaine abuse which was in the Church of Corinth at their love-feasts , willing the rich to ●ary for the poore . This is just the answer of the Rhemists upon this place . Hee exhorteth them say they , to keep their sayd suppers or feasts in unity , peace , and sobriety , the rich expecting the poore , &c. I content me with Fulk his answer . The words that follow ( if any be an hungred , let him eat at home ) doe declare manifestly , that this expectation , or tarying one for another , is to receive the communion of the Lords supper , and not to the eating of their love-suppers , which were ch●efly to relieve the poore , that were hungry . And bringeth the testimonies of Photius , Chrysostome , Theophilact , Primasius , Ambrose , and Hierome , to this purpose . Ambrose upon this text sayth , He sayth that they must tarry one for another , that the oblation of many may bee celebrated together , and that all may be served , and if any bee impatient , hee may bee fed with earthly bread at home . That you come not together to iudgement , that is , that you keep not the mystery so , as you bee worthy to be reprehended with offence , Hierome or some other under his name , upon this same place sayth , Because none taried for other , that the offring might be made in common , therefore they came together , not unto sanctification , but unto iudgement . Bilson t citeth Augustine to the same purpose : yea Augustine affirmeth , that the Apostle speaking of this sacrament , sayth , For which cause brethren , when you assemble together to eat , expect one another . And againe , v he citeth these words of Chrysostome , x Paul calleth 〈◊〉 the Lords Supper , which is received in common , with one consent of all assembled together : for untill all communicate and bee partaker● of that spirituall food , the mysteries once set forth , are not taken away , but the Priests standing still , stay for all , yea for the poorest of all . The particle therefore knitting he 33. verse to the verses preceeding , maketh it manifest that this precept is to be referred to the Sacrament . See more of this point in Perth Assembly y . He saith that we may communicate Sacramentally in divers Parishes , which I thinke no other man ever affirmed . For howbeit they communicate together spiritually , as all Christians doe in the remotest parts of the world , receiving the same spirituall food signified in this Sacrament . Yet they doe not communicate together sacramentally , but who receive the Sacrament together . Cartwright , writing against the Rhemists , speaketh well to this purpose z The Apostle , 1. Cor. 10. 17. meaneth the communion of those that in one Congregation , or Church , eat together , and not of the communion of those that receive the Sacrament in another Church , it is evident , for that hee placeth the seale of this communion in eating all of one bread , and at one table : wheras they that communicate in another Congregation , or Church , communicate not of one table or bread with them that are farre removed , no more then they , that celebrated the Passeover in divers houses , were partakers of one Lamb or Kid. For notwithstanding that Christ ( who is the Lamb and the Bread ) be but one , yet the outward matter of the Sacrament cannot be one but many , according to the number of places , wherein the Sacrament is ministred . See more in this place , and in 1. Cor. 10. 17. See also Fulk in these places . And whether onely the twelue Apostles did communicate at the first Supper , see Cartwright and Fulk on Matth. 26. 20. This sacramentall communion of one Congregation was expressed yet more lively , where they dranke of one cup , and eat of one bread . The Doctor himself● alledged before a a saying of Musculus , wherein he approved their forme , who used but one cup to signifie the Mysterie of one and the same bloud , wherof all the faithfull do drink alike , yet not condemning the custome of those Churches , which use moe cups in the Lords Supper , because of the multitude of the Communicants . Neither do I think on the other side , that others will condemne those who use but one cup. But to place a greater necessitie in one cup , then in one bread , cannot be commended . They had of old , in some Churches , one bread , as well as one cup , one in number , of one masse , unum unitate numerica sive physus per partium continuationem , and not one in morall conjunction of many peeces , as many dishes are called but one banket . And this one masse or loafe was unbroken , or cut in peeces till the Minister had first blessed ; and for this use they had a knife called Sacra ●a●cea , as Iewell observeth . b Where also the Reader may finde many testimonies of t●●● one bread , whereunto I refer . This old custome declareth that sacramentall communion cannot be extended so farre , as the Doctor would have it . See more of this argument in the two former Treatises . Defence of our sixth Argument . KNeeling taketh away the resemblance of a 〈◊〉 : because ●h●t guests invited to a banket kneele not in the act of ba●ketting no not at the banket of a Prince . It is called a Supper , and in what respect it is so called , we have alreadie declared in the defence of the second Argument . Hee saith that the analogie betwixt the two feasts standeth chiefly in eating , drinking and making merry . It is standeth chiefly and not onely in th●se , he reasoneth not to the purpose . He discourseth upon the perpetuall feast which a Christian hath inwardly , and of that glorious and solemne feasting in heaven , which is not doubted of . He saith , that there is great difference betwixt the spirituall feast of the Sacrament , and a common corporall banket ; this also is not de●yed . He saith , hee who entertaineth ▪ us at this banket is not a man , or earthly Prince , but God and man ▪ and his entertainement is spirituall serving for the soule , that bee giveth himselfe to be the food of the soule ; that Calv●n will have us to think it the Supper of the Lord , and not of men . All this is true ; and hath been already answered in the two former Treatises d We acknowledge both the Giver and the Gift , but beside we acknowledge , that honour whereunto hee hath advanced us , that so great a Prince will entertaine us , not as servants any longer , but as friends ; and this advancement he hath expressed in the Symbolicall Supper , representing our spirituall advancement at the spirituall Supper . Hee who inviteth us , it is true , is not a simple man , like an earthly Prince , but God and Man ; but that setteth forth the greatnesse of our dignity . The food whereon we feed is not earthly , it is true , but that ministreth matter of greater joy to us . But the manifestation of his will and pleasure , is not to be obstued in the outward resemblance of the feast , seeing it hath pleased his Majestie to set forth his neerenesse and communion with us by the formes of feasting . In the old Law , the Lord sate between the Cherubines , and eat of the sacrifice ( to speak after the manner of men ) at his Table , to wit , the Altar , which is so called , Malach. ● ▪ 12. Ezech. 41. 22. and the people eat of the remaines of the peace-off●ings before the Lord at their Tables . Christ God and Ma● set forth our spirituall feasting , and communion with him in the forme of a feast also yea , hee took a part of the Paschall feast and translated it to that use . Whatsoever bee the excellency of the spirituall feast the outward resemblance thereof being s●● forth , under the forme of a banket , ●o● under the Law and under the Gospell , gesture competent to the outward resemblance should be chosen ; Kneeling was never used in any nation to this purpose . It to be observed also , that their Argument smell greatly of reall presence , or of a g●n●rative force , and vertue in the Sacraments . They speak , as if we had never received Christs body , but when we receive the Sacrament , and as if Christs body were present . The holy Mysteries , saith e Iewel , doe not begin , but rather continue and confirme this incorporation . As soon as ever we began to beleeve Christs body was given to us . The Symbols when they are added to the Word , while the Mysteries are celebrated , I doubt not , saith f Martyr , serve very much for assurance ; for they seale the promises . But that they make Christ more present to us , then hu Word and Promises doe , I utterly deny . Christ hath set down a forme , how we should conforme our gesture at this Feast , to wit , according to the sacramentall manner of taking , which is common to all . The spiritual is proper to the faithfull . See more of this Argument , in the answer to Doct. Resolutus . Defence of our seventh Argument . THE seventh is almost coincident with the former . So it pleaseth him to divide and rank our reasons . Kneeling is not a fit gesture for a guest invited to a banket ; It obseureth the fellowship , whereunto he is advanced . He perverteth our reason very perversly , against his own conscience , as if wee smelled of Arrianisme ; and meant that wee are equals with Christ. A simple reader may smell in this stinking flower of his , grosse popery , and in some poynts grosser then in a common Papist . Doth every one invited to a Princes table , think himselfe equall with his prince . Hee gathereth as perversly , as if we thought , h●t wee should not bow our knees to God the ●acher , o● his sonne Iesus Christ : when as we say , that in the very act off a●●ing , wee are acting the persons of guests , not o● supplicants : and therefore in the outward resemblance of the feast , a competent gesture should be used . In time of p●ayer we act he persons of supplicants , and then a fit gesture in such an act is used . His own instance re●●●eth himselfe ▪ for the 24. Elders , who are sayd to ●all down before him that sitteth on the throne , were seen at the first by Iohn , sitting about the throne , clothed with white raiments , and crownes of god ; Apoc. 4. He sayth that Christ did not institute this supper to resemble to us that glory which shall be revealed . Musculus , whom he often citeth , but never for the main povnt , sayth , h And in our supper there is a type of the supper●●●●m● , and of the table of the Lord , whereof Luk 22. I app●ynt you a kingdom , as my father hath appoynted me : that ye may eat and drink at my table , in my kingdom , and sit on thrones . Iohann●● Alasco i often maketh it figurative of that Supper of glory . The Bishop of Spalato sayth the like . k The Kirk speaketh this way of that mystery , sayth Swarez the Iesuite , O sacred banket , in which Christ is received , the memory of his passion is celebrate , the mind is fi●●●● with grace , and a piedge of our glory to come is given to us . Aquinas sayth , m that it is not only signum rememoratiuum , a signe forcommemoration of Christs passion , which is past , demonstratiuum , demonstrative of a present benefit ; but also prognosticum , id est , p●aenunciatiuum futurae gloriae , foretell●th our glory to come . Yet doe we not urge any such type , as i● this supper were ordained to that end , or as if it were typus destinatus , but onely we count it amongst typo● factos , because Christ alludeth to it , Luk 22. 29. when he promised another feast in heaven . But this all men doe , they make it a figure of a thing present , to wit , of the spirituall feast whereat the soule is feeding , when we partake of the outward symboles . And when we ascrive any signification to our sitting , we say not , that it signifieth our sitting in heaven , but a present rest , and ease of the soule admitted familiarly to the spirituall table , where Christ dineth and suppeth with it . n Defence of our eighth Argument . KNeeling before the sacramentall elements is Idolatry . The Papist in his kneeling intendeth to adore Christ bodily present by transubstantiation . The Lutheran , by consubstantiation . The chiefest of our opposites will not have us to be curious to understand the manner of Christs presence . For sayth Hooker , All things considered , and compared with that successe , which truth hath hitherto had by so bitter conflicts with errors in this poynt , shall I wish that men would more give themselves to meditate with silence what we have by the sacrament , and lesse to dispute of the manner how ? The Bishop of Rochester commendeth the simplicity of the ancients , who disputed not whether Christ were present Con sub , in , or trans in the supper . What is this but to permit every man to adore upon what intention he pleaseth . But let the formalist be as free as may be , both of the Popish and Lutheran conceit , yet he is guilty of Idolatry two wayes : First , in that hee kneeleth by direction before a creature . Next , in that he doth kneele for reverence of the sacrament . As for the first , suppose it were true , that they kneeled not for reverence of the symbols , yet there is no difference betwixt them , and the more tollerable sort of Idolaters , Durandus , Holcot , Alphonsus , Mirandula , and the rest in their worshipping of Images . The Doctor sayth here , and againe pag. 55. that they worship not Christ in the bread , nor by the bread , nor the bread it selfe , but directeth the worship of their hearts and bodies immediatly to Christ in the heaven . So sayth that finer sort of Papists , that the cruc●fix , or any other image is not either the materiall , or formall , the totall , or partiall object of their adoration , but that they direct immediatly their worship to Christ , or the Saint . He bringeth in Martyr , pag 74. saying , o For there both by words and visible signes , we are stirred up , both to acknowledge , and to worship Christ himselfe . So sayth Swarez , p that the image is not in their opinion , objectum quod , the object of their adoration , but onely at the presence and sight of the image , the person represented by the image , is called to remembrance , that the image is an occasion , a mean and signe stirring up a man to adore the principall person represented , and that before it he worshipeth the principall after the same manner , as if he were present . For to direct worship by the image , is in their sence no other thing but to direct it immediatly to the principall , before the image , as Bellarmine declareth . q The ●●mboles are then to the kneeler , objectum a quo s●●nificative , sayth Doctor Morton , r a signifying object to move the heart , and consequently the body to adoration . No more is the image to these Papists , and their adoration is as abstract from their object , as the kneeler is from his . But , sayth the Doctor , there is difference betwixt images , and the sacramentall symbols . The first , are the invention of men , and forbidden to be used in the worship of God , the other are Gods own ordinance , and commanded to be used in his worship : and cōfirmeth this his saying with the testimonies of Martyr ; which needed not . For we deny not , that they are commanded to be used in Gods worship , as the worship of God is taken in a large sense , for his publick worship , and all the parts therof , the preaching of the word , ministration of the sacraments , &c. But they were not commanded to be used in the worship of God , as it is taken in a strict sence , in statu accommodato ad adorationem , for adoration properly so called , to fall down before them , and worship Christ absent . The force of this argument must be this . Whatsoever thing God hath commanded to be used in his publick worship , we may lawfully fal down before it , and worship God by way of adoration properly so called . The sacramentall symbols are commanded to bee used in Gods publick worship : Therefore we may fall down before them and worship God. The weaknes of this argument is seen in the proposition , which I hope , they will not maintaine . If the Iewes had fallen before every significant object commanded by God to be used in time of divine service , they had continually committed Idolatry . P. Martyr professing in Oxford at that time , when kneeling was enjoyned to pacifie the Papists somewhat , who had made some stirres , pretending that the Sacrament was prophaned ; was loath , being a stranger , to contradict the prescribed order , and his great friends , who called him to that place . He was forced afterward to defend , what he had written before , and through the importunity of Gardiner his adversarie , was driven to plaister the English adoration , with such speeches as cannot be well allowed . But even then , when hee was excusing , he was wishing it were not , and was ever warning them of the danger of it ; and l●st , after the experience of the miserable revolt of England , he uttered his minde very freely in an Epistle to the Polonians . His testimonies shall be cited in the own place , howbeit in a part , some of them be already cited in the answer to Doct. Resolu●us , and therefore I proceed . When we alledge a principle out of Perkins , That und●● the new Testament it is idolatrie to direct our worship to any creature , or place ; and in speciall to the bread on the Altar , or in the hand of the Minister : he granteth that Paraeus saith in effect as much But saith he , they speak against the Papists . And so much the worse , say I , if others be guilty of the like fault . It is Papistrie Superstition , and Idolatrie , against which they write , wheresoever it be . And it is Papist●y , Superstition , and Idolatry , whereunto at this present , wee oppose our selves . He ●aith that ●●elcatius writeth , that Christ is to be ●●●●ed in the Mysteries . But doth hee not tell how ? To wit , that the eyes of our faith are ●o be lifted up to heaven : and the same say we , and do more often inculcat● the same , then our opposites . What is this to the prostrating of our bodies , whereof T●●lcatius did not dreame ? He saith they k●●●l● not as the Papist doth , when the bread is carried in procession , or at the elevation , but when they receive the bread : when as it is notoir that they kneele a long space , before they receive . But let it be so , that they kneele onely when they receive , do they not kneele before it , when they receive it ? What matter of the length , or shortn●●se of the time ; or the act of receiving ? If it be unlawfull at any time , even for a moment , or in any act . God never ordained , that any act of his service should be performed with any sinne , but rather in case there lay such a necessity on a man , that he cannot performe service to him without sinne , that he should omit his service . For God will not accept of sinne in no case . Next , why will they make scruple to kneele at the elevation , seeing it is then consecrated ; it is objectum a quo significative ; it is in the ministration of the Mysteries , in the time of Gods publick worship . God forbid , that we see the day , wherein he and his fellowes may do this without controulement . Suppose the Formalist did not commit Idolatry in bowing before the creature by direction , yet he committeth idolatry , in that he kneeleth for reverence of the creature . For to kneele before a creature , because of a reverent estimation of it , is to adore it . Because kneeling in religious worship , is ever the gesture of adoration . The formalist kneeleth for reverence of the Sacrament , and the sacramentall actions , taking , eating , drinking . For kneeling is enjoyned in the Kirk of England for reverence of the Sacrament , as the Ministers of Lincolne do prove in their Abridgment . Conformity with England is intended . Therefore kneeling for reverence of the Sacrament is intended . Next kneeling is enjoyned by the act of Perth , for reverent and due regard of so divine a Mysterie , as is the Sacrament . Seeing therfore the publick intent is to kneele for reverence of the Sacrament , let no man deceive himselfe with his own private intent ; for his act must be interpreted before men according to the publicke intent , and before God he shall be guilty , not onely of idolatry , but also of dissimulation . Otherwise he may go to Rome , and take kneeling Corpus Christi , out of the Popes own hand . Thirdly , this private intent , must either be for reverence of the Sacrament , or else with prophannesse , and mocking of God. For put the case he be praying in the act of beholding , hearing receiving , eating , drinking ; he cannot , nor should not be praying all that time , and performe these actions also , as he ought to do , but sometimes he must have his senses , the members of his body , his mind exercised otherwise then in prayer , to wit , outwardly beholding , taking , eating , drinking ; considering inwardly , what these signes , and rituall actions do meane . If in this time he be not praying , and yet kneeling , he is either mocking God , not caring for what respect he kneeleth ; or else he kneeleth for reverence of these symbols , and actions , whereabout and wherin he is exercised . But the truth is , that the short ●jaculations of the heart , wherof we shal speak afterward , may consist with any other actions , either civill or religious : but a set or continued prayer , cannot consist vvith any other actions , either civill or religious , except the gestures of prayer themselves , whether a man stand , sit , or kneele . If a man should be praying on his knees , and in the meane time be eating his meat , vvould ye not thinke , that that man vvere either mocking GOD , or kneeled for reverence of his meat , and made an Idoll of it . Ye will say , the case is not alike : for the one is consecrated , and holv , the other is but common . Is not then , the kneeling at the one , and not at the other , for reverence , holinesse being the reason , wherfore a man doth kneele . As the King is the person honoured ut quae , and the Royall Dignity is the reason ut qua , wherby h● g●t●eth that honour . So the bread is objectum quod , the object which is adored ; the holinesse of it in that it is consecrate to signifie his body , is quo the reason , wherfore we kneele before such an object . With what face then , can men say that they kneel not for reverence of the elements , and actions employed about the elements ? And this is more then I think a Papist will do to the crucifix● : for except h● be a praying to Christ before it , he may well b●ck , but he will not kneele ; but here he kneeleth because he believeth he is taking and eating Christs very Body , and so he is consonant to himselfe : the Formalist is not so , but misapplyeth the Popish adoration . It is objected first , that we uncover our head , why may we not also bow ou● knees : I answer , that we uncover our heads in the time of this action , as we doe at the hearing of the Scripture read , which we do for veneration , not for adoration . For in this Sacrament CHRISTS own words are heard , and his actions , which were divine and holy , reiterate , and therfore we owe reverence or veneration , but not adoration for reverence , no more then at the hearing of the scripture read . For as Chrysostome sayth , s As the words which Christ spake , are the same which the priests now pronounce , so is it the same oblation , the same baptisme : all things doe so consist together in the faith . And again , t that voyce was once pronounced , but it giveth firmnesse to this sacrifice through all the tables of the world to this day , and to his comming again . This veneration given to the word , and symbols in so holy an action , redoundeth to God himselfe , or Christ the author and institutor : for they are reverently respected for their sake , and therfore in the reverent usage of them , God is reverenced . As he that giveth almes to a poore man , is said to doe it to Christ , because he doth it for Christs sake , and honoureth Christ in the poore man. But in adoration God will have no mediate creature to goe betwixt him and the worshipper , howbeit he would pretend , that it is done for his sake ; as all Idolaters doe pretend . Kneeling is the gesture of the high and divine worship , which the schoolemen call cultus latria , and never given in Scripture to any other , in religious worship : howbeit the Papists have given it also to inferiour creatures , which is their vile idolatry . It is not sufficient to say that in our adoration , non sistendum est in symbo●● , we must not rest upon the symbols , when as our adoration should not light up●● the Symbols , or glance at them : for God will not have a glance of his worship bestowed upon any creature . It is objected next , that when the meate is set on our Tables , vve uncover our heads , and do say grace . I answer , There is a relation here between God and the meat , but not a relation of vvorship , either from the meat to God , as if our vvorship did passe by the meat , and determine in God , or return from God , and determine in the meat . The meat is the subject vvherupon vve desire Gods blessing to be bestowed before vve use it . And therfore vve use the gestures of prayer , vvhich are used in blessing of other things , that is , vve stretch out our hands over our meat , or use the like demonstrative signe of the creature , vvhich vve desire God to blesse . Or sometimes vvithout any such indicant signe , vve expresse our selves with these or the like vvords , Vpon these thy good creatures , &c. When persons were blessed , or consecrated , if one , hands vvere layd upon that one : if many , then the Priest listed up both his hands , as high as his shoulders , toward or over them , and blessed all together . So is it in the blessing of the meat , o● any other creature . There is a relation o● a blessing from God to the meat , but no● of vvorship from God to the meat . Yea ● say further , that in all these blessings , either of persons , or other creatures , vve never read that the blesser kneeled down before that creature , vvhen he blessed , but rather behaved himself as superior unto it , vvhether ● vvas meat , or drink , or any thing els . ● know not one instance to the contrary in ● the Scripture . Put the case there were , y● after the meat was blessed and sanctified t● our common use , in the taking , eating , drinking ; what people never so barborous , did ever kneele ? See more of this eighth Argument in the two former Treatises . Defence of our ninth Argument . VVEE say , that we should eschew all shew of conformitie with the Papists and idolators . But kneeling in the act of receiving the sacramentall elements , we are in shew conforme to the Papists . He telleth us ; that we are conforme with them in many Articles of our faith ; we and they agree in many points of doctrine● but therein we are conforme to the truth , and true Apostolicall Church . They possesse some points of truth which we doe , as a theife doth a true mans purse ; or a Pi●ate the ship of an honest Marchant . He ●aith they kneele for one end , and the Pa●ist for another . It is not the end , but the ●ite ; not identitie , but likenesse , wherof we ●re now speaking . If Christians had decked their houses with Laurell , and greene ●oughes upon the festivall dayes , wheron the Pagans decked theirs , against the 73. Canon of the Councell of Bracara , how●eit there had bene no intention to honour the gods of the Pagans , yet they could not ●ave bene excused ; because they decked their ●ouses after the same manner , and at the ●●ne time . We might bring in a multitude of Iewish and Popish Rites , if the different intention might be a sufficient warrant for us . God made his people as unlike the idolatrous Nations as might be . And so should we be as remote from all Papisticall ceremonies , as may be . P. Martyr in an Epistle to the Polonians sayth , x that rite in the administration of the Sacraments is to be embraced , which is most of all , and furthest removed from Papisticall toyes , and ceremonies , and commeth neerest to that puritie , which Christ and his Apostles used . Further , we differ not in one generall end , to wit , adoration , but we misapply that which they do . For they are employed about their God , as they think , when they are taking , eating , and drinking . And the Formalist is employed about bread and wine consecrate to an holy use : which are meere creatures even in his own conceit . It is conformity with all the true worshippers o● God to kneele in prayer : but not to kneele before the sacramentall elements . Defence of our tenth Argument . WEE say that kneeling in the act o● receiving the sacramentall elements , suppose it had bene indifferent , or lawfull at the first invention of 〈◊〉 ▪ yet seeing it hath bene abused , and polluted with the vilest idolatry , that ●ver was ▪ it ought to be removed , and no monumen● thereof left ; farre lesse should it be restored where it hath bene out of use these threescore yeares by past , and cast away as a menstruous cloath . He telleth us that the Ark was in the Philistimes hands : that the gold , brasse , and Iron of Iericho was taken into the Lords treasure , and other like instances . The Arke was Gods own ordinance . The silver , the gold , the brasse , were not idolatrous , but the civill goods of idolaters . What God hath instituted , the abuse of men cannot take away : What belongeth to the idolater , not being idolatrous , not having state in the idolatrous service , if it may serve to some necessary , and profitable use , may be retained , the abuses being purged . But kneeling hath state in Gods service , and both had , and hath state in idolatrous service , and is of no necessary use . When we say that Ezekiah brake the brazen Serpent in peeces , howbeit it was Gods own appointed signe , and reserved for a monument of his mercy 700. yeeres : and that kneeling was not appointed of God : He telleth us , we are not bound to imitate the fact of Ezechias in the particular circumstances . It is not from the breaking of it in peeces , or the manner of abolishing it in particular , that we do reason , but from the abolishing of it in generall . So that kneeling be abolished , and altogether removed out of that place of divine service , we shall not contend for the different manner . He saith , the use of the brasen Serpēt ceased : The use wherefore it was first instituted ceased , but the other use , to be a monument of Gods mercy , ceased not , and might have continued longer , if it had not beene abused . He saith kneeling shall have a profitable use so long as the world standeth . True : but not , kneeling before the elements of the Sacrament in the act of receiving . He saith Ezekiah brake the Idoll , but reserved the burning of Incense to God : So they have broken in peeces , the idoll of Reall presence , but reserved kneeling to Christ. But we say , that he abolished the burning of Incense not simply , for it was a part of Gods service , but burning of Incense before the brasen Serpent . So we crave not kneeling simply to be abolished , but kneeling before the elements in the act of receiving . y Defence of our eleventh Argument . KNeeling in the act of receiving , is dangerous , being an occasion and provocation to idolatry . He sayth , we called it before idolatry , and now onely an occasion or provocation to it . We call it so now in a new argument : first giving and not granting that it were not idolatry . Next , we say , it is dangerous , because it is a provocation to another kinde of idolatry , beside that we spake of before , to wit , the grossest sort of worshipping the transubstantiated bread , or Christ bodily present . He sayth , we are prone to prophannesse as well as idolatry . But we should not give dangerous provocations , either to the one , or to the other . He sayth , the Belgick Kirks making a Canon against kneeling for feare of bread worship , feared where there was no need of feare : for it hath been used in the Kirk of England without any such danger . Mr. Cartwrights report in a matter of fact , will get credit even with his adversaries . He sayth , That in divers places the people have knocked on their breasts , and holden up their hands , whilest the Minister was in giving of it , and not onely those who received it , but also those who looked on , and were in the Kirk . Peter Martyr after the revolt of England in Queen Maries dayes , writing to the Polonian Ministers . ( a ) Let the evill seed and rotten roots be plucked up at the first beginning : for if they be neglected at the first ( I know what I speak ) they are more hard to be taken away afterward . And this is to be seen unto , as in the sacraments , so specially in the Eucharist , that it be most sincerely done . For there are there , beleeve me , pestilent seeds of ●dolatry , which except they bee taken away , the Church of Christ will never be beautified with pure and sincere worship . Let not the sacraments be con●emned , as empty and voyd signes : and on the other 〈…〉 ▪ let not men give greater honour unto them , then their institution will suffer . And before that time , even then when he wrote against Gardiner , he often fore warneth of the danger of it . b Vt , quod mihi videtur , dicam , ad evitanda superstitionum pericula nolim hoc tempore . adorationis externae signa in Eucharistiae perceptione adhiberi , utut non ad symbola panis & vini , sed ad ipsum Christum in coelis regnantem derigerentur . Howbeit they should direct their worship , not to the symbols , but to Christ ; yet he sayth there is danger of superstition in it . This was the best that ever Martyr could make of it , for throughly he could never digest it , and in that Epistle to the Polonians he is more free . Where he testifieth upon his own experience , what such pestilēt seeds of idolatry have wrought . I know what I spake , meaning no doubt the revolt of England : and who knoweth if there were the like triall , what the formalists would doe . So howbeit Papists are hardened , and increase to the feeling of all men , yet all the danger is not seen not felt , till the time of triall come . Beza sayth , c Adoration in the very act of receiving , how dangero 〈◊〉 it is , it being that which hath opened an occasion to breadworship , from whence at last Satan cast men down headlong to transubstantiation , the matter it selfe maketh manifest . And in his eight Epistle he sayth , that the event , and lamentable face of the Kirk , doth more then sufficiently teach us , how hurtfull it is ; and commendeth these Churches which have abolished it , with no lesse care , then other apertas idolemanias manifest mad idolatry . What need I cite many testimonies , when as all the Divines in well reformed Kirks do think the same ; and yet he will say , that the Belgick Kirks feared where there was no need of feare . At last he telleth us , that a Synod in Pole made standing or kneeling indifferent , but sitting they condemned . That Synod was a confused or mixt Synod of sundry sorts of professors , some adhering to the Augustane confession , some to the Helvetian , some to the Bohemian . Next , they thought that the Arrians had been the first authors of sitting after the reformation , when as both the Scottish and Belgick Churches at that same time , and many yeares before , did use the gesture of sitting ; and as worthy a Polonian , as that Church bred in his time , Iohannes Alasco , a Polonian Baron , wrot before the holding of that synod many years more amply , and more earnestly for sitting , then any other man els , and did put it in practise in the kirkes , where he bare office . So it was in them a grosse ignorance in a matter of fact , which was so publick in the view of all men . Thirdly , howbeit there was at that mixt Synod a great number of Lutherans , yet they consent with the rest , that no man should be urged to kneel ; because it was neither the will of God , nor custome of the purer Kirk to censure , or punish godly men for externall rites . The Lutheran , yee may see , is more favourable in this poynt , howbeit he maintain Christs bodily presence , then these who would seem to be of our own profession . d It is to be marked , that in this place the Doctor esteemeth bread-worship to be no error in the foundation . Defence of our twelfth Argument . KNeeling in the act of receiving , say we , is will-worship . He sayth it is no part of Gods worship properly ; and therfore it cannot be will-worship . This followeth not : for will-worship is of sundry sorts ; as when a man inuenteth a new kinde of service to God , which hee never commanded ; or when he misplaceth that vvhich God hath commanded , and useth it vvhere he will ; or vvhen that , vvhich is not in the own nature vvorship , the user maketh it worship in his own conceit and opinion . Next , it followeth not , because that kneeling is a signe of vvorship , that therefore it is not worship properly ; or because sometime we use it , and sometime not : for howbeit it be a signe of the internall adoration , yet is it the matter it selfe of externall adoration ; for by it we do not onely signifie the affection of our heart , but also honoureth God , either in secret , or before men . For he that adoreth , honoureth ; and we honour . God not onely with our spirit , but also with our body . As the Doctor himselfe said before ; we direct to God , not onely the worship of our hearts , but of our body : When wee pray without kneeling we give spirituall vvorship , vvithout determination of that particular bodily vvorship at that time : but vvhen vve pray kneeling , vvee cojoyne the bodily , and spirituall worship . Thirdly , it is not the kneeling outward onely , that we call will-worship , but that also wherupon kneeling doth usually attend , that is set and continued prayer . For we say , that in the act of receiving , there is not the proper time and place of set and continued prayer ; wherof we shall intreat in the own place . To pray then , is Gods worship , but to pray in an unfit time , to displace any other part of God worship , is will-worship . Defence of our thirteenth Argument . VVEE say , that kneeling entred into the Kirk under Antichrist : whether Honorius was the first deviser of it , or not , we regard not as a point materiall . It appeareth that Honorius decreed onely an inclination , or bowing of the super our bulk of the body at the elevation , but not kneeling . If he ordained so much to be done at the elevation , it is likely that in the act of receiving , kneeling was either then also ordained , or come in a little after . But whether before , or after , is not the chiefe question . It is sufficient , that it was not in use in the Kirk of God for a 1000. years , or before the time at least , when the Antichrist was at his height . For there is not one expresse testimony in all the ancient Writers for kneeling in the act of receiving , except some counterfeit worke ; yea , not so much as in any counterfeit work , so farre as we have yet seen alledged , except in one Cyrillus . The censure of Moulins upon these Catechismes of Cyrillus is marked and set down already in Perth Assembly e . I adde the censure of the Bishop of Spalato , who saith , f that the Catechismes which go abroad under the name of Cyrillus Hierosolymitanus , are to him greatly suspected , for they smell of farre posterior times : and he setteth down the reasons of his judgment . Beza saith , that kneeling in the act of receiving , brought in Popish bread-worship , and transubstantiation , because , it may be , he gave some credit to Cyrillus ; but it is very likely that it came in after the opinion of the reall presence , and transubstantiation . For as I have said , there is not a testimony we can heare of , yet alledged for kneeling , within the space of a 1000. yeares . And suppose that kneeling went before the opinion of Reall Presence , or Transubstantion , yet even then it was , ( and no other wayes it could be ) the Formalists idolatry , preparing the way to , or rather drawing on the worshipping of Christ as bodily present , or the bread transubstantiated into his body . For I have already declared , that kneeling in the act of receiving , eating and drinking , cannot be but idolatrous . Many grosse corruptions were in the Kirk before the opinion of the Reall Presence , or Transubstantiation prevailed . Seeing then it came in under the Antichrist , whether should we follow the Antichrist , and his Lawes , or Christ his holy Institutions . Defence of our foureteenth Argument . KNeeling in the act of receiving is scandalous to many . He saith that wee ought to do our duty , though men be never so much offended , otherwise the scandall is not given , but taken : our duty is to obey the ordinance of the Kirk made anent kneeling , and not to offend the Kings Majesty . Here ye see first he opponeth offending , that is greeving or displeasing the Kings Majestie , to offending , that is , giving occasion to his brother to fall in a grosse sinne , and so to distroy him , for whom Christ died , so far as in him lyeth . Next suppose that kneeling in the act of receiving the sacramentall elements , were not a sinne , both in disordering the right manner of celebration , and also in that it is idolatry ; yet it is a matter of actiue scandall , in that it hath a shew of evill , and giveth occasion to our brother to fall into that evill , wherof it hath a shew , to wit in bread-worship . For a mans doing is the cause of anothers fall , two wayes , per se , of it selfe , or per accidens , through the default of another onely , who is ill affected , and taketh occasion to offend , even at good things . The first is actiue scandall , the second is passive . In the active , sometime there is intentio operantis , an intention in the doer to draw another to sin : sometime there is without any such intention , onely conditio operis , such a manner of doing , that of it selfe it giveth occasion to another to fail . As when a man doth such an act , which is an inducement to sinne ; as when a man committeth publiquely a sinne , or that which hath the shew , or likenesse of sinne , saith Aquinas . This shew of idolatry that is in kneeling , suppose there were no more , is an inducement and occasion to others to commit idolatry , & hardneth the Papist in his idolatry ; It is an active , not a passive scandall . We must not omit a necessary duty , suppose others unjustly take offence . But kneeling in the act of receiving is not a necessary duty , but such a deed as is inductive to scandall . The Doctor ' saith that it is a necessary duty to obey the ordinance of our Superiours , and not to withstand the Authority . No man denyeth obedience to be due to the Magistrate , or Superiour , suppose others should take offence , for that were mat●ris proxima scandali , the neerest and immediate matter of the scandall , to deny that lege cominum , by the common law , the law of God and men ▪ Magistrates and Superiours should be obeyed . But lege particulari by a particular law made of any particular matter , wee are not ever bound to active obedience ; as when he commandeth to sinne , or do any thing that hath the shew of sinne , or is apt to breed scandall ; like as kneeling in the act of receiving hath proved by the event , or experience both of the ages before and at this present . Neither is in this same case obedience passive denyed ; and so the Morall duty of obedience is fulfilled . Daniel would not desist from opening his windowes toward Ierusalem not withstanding of the Kings edict . The commandement of the Magistrate cannot make a thing , which of it selfe is scandalous , and hurtfull , not to bee hurtfull , but rather by the strength of his authoritie maketh it more scandalous and hurtfull , then it would be . But none of our Formalists will deale in earnest with the supreme Magistrate , and tell him that he committeth active scandall in laying a stumbling block before the people , and therfore sinneth against the LORD . The Nurse that left a knife vvith the child found dead at her returne , could not be free of blame ; but the Nurse that layeth downe the knife , is farre lesse to be excused . Ez●kias removed a passive scandall , to vvit , the brazen Serpent : For the brasen Serpent vvas not an active scandall . Seeing therefore there is passive scandall in this kneeling , it is sufficient cause to remove it , suppose there vvere no active . Will the flattering Formalist then bee instant vvith the Magistrate to remove , or rather not to reinduce this passive scandall , and follovv the example of good Ezekias . For this invention of man , hath beene , is , and is still likely to be abused superstitiously , giving and not granting that of it selfe it vvere not idolatry . But our flatering Formalists care more for their formal coats , then the hazard of many thousand soules . Againe , it is to be remembred , that our superiours cannot free u● , or drive us from our oath taken by their own consent . Can they make us sweare the one day , and drive us to perjury another day . Last , it is no lawfull ordinance , which was made at Perth , as all our arguments doe evince ▪ neither vvas that meeting a lawfull and free Synod , but a Null and pretended Assembly , vvhich they are never able , doe vvhat they can , to defend . The Doctor fayth , he feareth some Ministers do cause the people to take offence . Surely , if they were not constant in their doctrine , and practise , as they have professed these many yeares , they would cause the people take offence at the vvhole doctrine , vvhich they have taught , and to call it in doubt . Let them alone sayth he , they be blind leaders of the blind . Certainly , vvho vvill be lead by this vvorthy vvork of the Doctors , I affirme he is either a temporizer seeking a cloake for his back-sliding , or els he is blind , led by a blind Doctor : or if he be not blind , he is blinded vvith avarice and ambition , or hath a part of both . Defence of our fifteenth Argument . HE maketh us an argument of every thing , wherewith we exaggerate their fault . We say , that Bellarmine argueth a priori from the real presence for adoration ▪ and againe , a posteriori from adoration for the reall presence . And if it bee lawfull to kneele at the receiving of the sacrament , it is lawful to kneele before images . He sayth , We may fal down before the symbols , which we have already refuted . He sayth , that the Papist worshipeth Christ , & the image with one worship , Christ and the Eucharist as being one . What is that to the purpose , that the idolatry of the Papist , and of the formalist , is not all one in every respect , seeing he misapplieth onely the popish adoration , as I have sayd before . Bellarmine sayth not , that Christ and the image is to be worshiped with one vvorship after one manner : for Christ is to be vvorshiped vvith that high worship called cultus latriae , and that properly , the image of Christ improperly , and per accidens ; as he that adoreth the King , adoreth him and his purple robe at one time with one vvorship , but after a divers manner . So in the sacrament they adore Christ and the species together with the same vvorship , but not after the same manner : for they worship the accidents and species , onely per accidens , vvith that vvorship vvhich they give unto Christ , as in the coadoration of the Kings throne , or his robe , when the King is worshipped . But the formalist kneeleth for reverence of the elements , not per accidens , but perse , howbeit propter alium . Now to kneele for reverence is to adore with that gesture , which in scripture is used in religious and divine vvorship to be given onely to God. Defence of our sixteenth Argument . THe ancient Kirk received not the communion kneeling . Vpon the Lords day it was the custome to stand , and that for a thousand years , even in time of publick prayer . He sayth , that howbeit in time of prayer they stood on the Lords day , to testifie their profession of Christs resurrection , yet at the celebration of the supper they might have kneeled . I ask then , was it more needful to testifie their profession of Christs resurrection in time of prayer , then in the act of receiving the elements . It was that day , that they observed vvith such a rite , because Christ rose on that day , and not a part of the day . The Canons and testimonies for not kneeling on the Lords day , some of them make mention of the time of prayer , because otherwayes at other times they kneeled in time of prayer . Some vvithout any particular mention of prayer time , or more generall . And therefore Zonaras vvriting upon the sixt Councell holden in Trullo , Can. 90. forbidding h to bow the knee from the ●●ening service on Saturday , to the next evening tide on the Lords day , sayth , Medio illo tempore nullo modo in genu procumbendum esse denuntiat . It is intimate , that i● that meane time no wayes they should fall on the● knees . When at any time mention is made of prayer in particular , it is because it vvas the proper and onely time of kneeling on other dayes . Tertullian likewise sayth , i that it was counted unlawfull to adore upon their knees on the Lords day . Iustiuus Martyr sayth , that vvhen they vvere beginning this action , they arose , and stood ; and vvhen prayer vvas ended , did communicate . The Doctor sayth , it may be , that how beit they arose , and stood on their feet , that they communicated kneeling . He hath not so much as any appearance out of Iustinus vvords , and yet vvill answer , It might have been done with kneeling . Further , they cannot produce one testimony out of authentick antiquity , to prove that they kneeled ; howbeit vve produce testimonies for standing , as the ma● of vvho● Eusebius maketh mention . H●●●th , howbeit they kneeled not in the act ●f receiving upon the Lords day , yet it may be that they kneeled on other dayes . Y●● again it may be , and no presumption , no proofe alledged . Our testimonies are generall for every day . Eusebius example maketh mention of no day in particular . Chrysostome l addeth a reason , vvhich cannot agree with exception of times . Let us stand ●embling and in feare , with our eyes cast , down , in ● renewed soule , making a moane without a voyce , ●●●o●●ing in our heart . See you not these who stand beside a sensible , corruptible , temporall , earthly King , how unmoveable and unstirring they are , not ●eaking , not casting their eye this way or that way , &c. Tertullian speaking of some , who ●ought , that in case they took the Sacra●ent upon a fasting day , their fast was bro●en : he assureth them on the contrary , that their fast was the more solemne . m Doth the Eucharist loose , or rather binde your devotion ? Shall not your station be the more solemne , if ye● stand at the altar of God ? For after yee have received and reserved the body of the Lord , both are kept whole , both the participation of the Sacrifice , and execution of your devotion ▪ that is , your fasting , sayth Pl●ssie , ●● be that thereby it should be broken . And Baronius by S●●●●●o in Tertullian , sayth , is understood 〈◊〉 fasting Seeing they fasted not on the Lord day , as ye have already heard out o● Tertullian , it followeth that they stood 〈◊〉 the ●ct of receiving upon other dayes also . The custome of the orien●al Kirks yet not d●●u●●d to this very same day 〈◊〉 a proofe sufficient , that in the ancient Kirks they stood . As for the standing in time o● publick pr●yer , it was not enioyned as 〈◊〉 fi●●est gesture of prayer ( for upon other da●● they kneeled in time of prayer ) but onely upon the Lords day were they appoynted to stand in prayer , for signification of their ●or for Christs resurrection . The custome o● standing in the act of receiving , was not unversall for a long time ▪ for in many places they ●a●● , as well as they stood and w●● so fa●●e in imitation of the first Supper , that they communicated at evening , and ●om●● 〈…〉 Th●● costome was observed by m●ny 〈…〉 day . At last it was restrained to the anniversary day ( called Coena Domini 〈◊〉 the third Councell of Carthage , which ●●●●ome yet remaineth at th●● day , upon th●● anniversary day with the Monkes of S●●●● Bennets order . Chrysostome also speaketh of sitting , when he sayth , o And doist thou also this , when thou sittest at the table of the Lord , in that day , wherein thou wast deinzed to touch his flesh with thy tongue . In Iustinus time , the Deacons dispensed both the bread and the wine , to the communicants . I would then demand two things : First , if they pronounced any words , when they delivered the elements . Long after Iustinus time we know they did when as the Deacon sayd , The blood of Christ , the 〈◊〉 of life , which was an abuse authorizing the Deacon to speak to the commu●●●●● in that act which was the duty of 〈◊〉 Minister . If they did not so in Iustinus ●●me , did the communicant kneele , when he received the elements from the Deacon , without any words pronounced . Next , seeing the Deacons dispensed the elements to the communicants , whether before that time in the Apostles dayes , did the Minister dispense the elements out of his own hands , or not . It is not likely , if that had been their office , that they would have transferred that office to Deacons Deacons ministring at tables for the love-feasts , were the s●on●r imployed to minister to the communicants sitting at tables in the time of the holy action . And from ministring in common , they came to particular dispensing to every one severally . Thereafter words were put in their mouthes . At last they were made halfe Priests , and got power to teach and baptize . To conclude , howsoever the ancient kirk kneeled not in the act of receiving ; their other customes , of standing , and turning the due celebration of the supper into a forme of Iewish sacrificing , as Calvin sayth , o and many other corruptions , which entred in very soone , are not to be followed of us . Not long after the Apostles dayes , sayth Calvin , the Supper of the Lord was defiled with some rust , but this is the malapertnesse of men , which cannot containe it selfe , but must ever play and toy foolishly in the mysteries of God. Defence of our seventeenth Argument . WEE say that in the act of receiving the Saciamentall elements ; we should meditate , and consider the analogie of the signe , and the things signified ; attend with our minds , exercise our senses , because of the externall Symbols , and rituall actions , wherabout they are employed ; and that it is not a fit time of solemne prayer , and thankesgiving , and consequently that in the ect of receiving wee should not kneele . He formeth his second Argument flat contrariwise in this manner . In worshipping God with solemne prayer and thankes giving we may lawfully kneele . In the act of receiving the Sacrament wee worship GOD with solemne prayer and thankes giving . Ergo , in the act of receiving the Sacrament we may lawfully kneele . We deny the assumption , for the reason already alledged , to wit , that it is not a fit time of solemne prayer and thanks giving when men have their outward senses , and members of their bodies outwardly , and the powers of their soule inwardly otherwise employed . He proveth his assumption , both here , and in his second Argument after this manner : We should meditate on Christs death ; We cannot remember of his death , except we remember also that by his death life commeth unto us ; we cannot remember of this , without remembrance of our own misery . The remembrance of our miserie ministreth matter of prayer : Therfore the remembrance of Christs death causeth prayer and thanks giving : praver , that by his death we may have life ; thanksgiving , for the benefit of redemption . Ye see the whole force of his reason dependeth upon the duty of remembrance of Christs death . Now Becanus the Iesuit saith q That divers wayes we may remember of the benefit of redemption , which Christ hath conquered to us by his death . First , in participation of the Sacrament of the Enchartist : Next , in reading the Gospell , where his death and passion is described . Thirdly , at the sight of an Image , which representeth him and his Passion . If therfore at the sight of a Crucifixe the Doctor be put in remembrance of Christs death , should he blot out so good a thing out of his mind ? If not , how then can he remember of Christs death , but he must also remember of his miserie , & the benefite gotten by his death , and so burst forth in that very time , and act ( for so doth he reason ) into prayer , and that kelgiving . To say , that we are forbidden to performe that duty before a crucifix , is to grant that we ought not , and lawfully may not bow down , whensoever we remember of Christs death : And it we may not doe it before a ciucifix , by his own grant , we say we may not do it , when there is any other , or the like impediment , as there are many . For howbeit we remember of Christs death when we are most busied in our worldly affaires , yet we must not burst forth into lelemne prayer and thanks-giving . When the historie of the Passion is read , we are put in remembrance of his death ; and yet in the act of hearing that Hysto●e read , we must not burst forth in solemn prayer and thanksgiving , and kneele ; but he that hath eares to he are ought to heare . In the act of receiving the sacramentall elements there is like wise impediments , that we may not burst forth in solemne prayer and thanksgiving , and kneele in the very act it selte of receiving . First , the solemne prayer and thanks-giving ●ar not co●sill with our other imployments of the senses and members of the body , and powers of the soule . Next , we cannot adore before a creature , how beit consecrated . For as we have sayd , the elements are not ordained of God to be used in statu acccmmodato ad adorationem , to that endtnat wee should pray on our knees to God before them . When the crucifix , or any other image is condemned in the second commandement , all other creatures for the like use are condemned . He saith , if a man fall down on his knees where the Idoll is , praying against the idolatry committed in that place , no man seeing him to take offence : or if he will turne his face from the Idoll he doeh not unlawfully . He doth unlawfully three wayes . First , in that be kneeleth where he needeth not to kneele ; for kneeling is not a necessary a 〈…〉 an t on prayer . Next in that he cast th 〈…〉 lfe into a temptation wilfully ; for the Lord hath forbidden worship before Images , not onely publique , as if it were to eschew scandall ; but also in private , because they are dangero is provocations , and enticements to idolany . 〈◊〉 a man should go and lye down in the bed with the Hariot , and give her the defiance , hee sinneth notwithstanding . Thirdly , in so doing , he were but playing the foole , and offering but the sacrifice of a soole , how beit he had a Doctors hood . But wee vvill not insist in this instance of his , seeing it is not pertinent to our purpose ; for vve are novv speaking of a publike and voluntatie vvorship vvithout any protestation contrarie to our fact . Against the impediment of our senses , and thoughts othervvise employed in the act of receiving , he object ▪ th● that the minde may comprehend divers things together , and that the heart may be touched vvith divers affections at one time . There is no man doubteth of this , it being taken in a right sense . For the soul of man hath sundry povvers and faculties , vvhich concurre to the mutuall help of other : one povver removing impediments out of the vvay , that another povver may vvork the ovvn operation the more easily : one power being subordinate to another ; and the superiour by some influence applying the inferiour to some worke . Sundry and divers powers of the soule , and Christian graces , are working together in our religious exercises . But our question is not of one action , or exercise , but whether the same power of the soule at one time , and yet durable , work in divers actions , and exercises . The Schoolemen dispute concerning Christ , whether in reaching and giving the bread to the disciples , hee did both offer a sacrifice , uttering the words of consecration , as they call them , and reach to them the bread , without any distraction of minde . They say , that not , Physica duratione , & concomitantia metaphysica , sed mor●li tantum , that he first uttered the words and offered , before he gave the bread in their hands , and there was two actions one succeeding another according to physicall consideration , howbeit morally both made but one action . There is in the act of receiving presupposed two actions , one of mentall prayer , another of communicating , that is , taking , eating , drinking . Mentall prayer is either a short ejaculation of the soule , which endureth for a moment , and is called by the Divines , transitoria vel jaculatoria oratio : or else it is durable and permanent , and is called oratio continua . As for the first , there is no action so laborious , or earnest , or worldly , let be religious , but it may consist with it , without distraction of the soule from that action , Etiam in medio strepitu , & clamore hominum , In the midst of the noyse and clamours of men , saith l Chrysostome . For these momentanean , and transient acts require not permanent attention . Not onely momentanean petitions , but every godly motion , and elevation of the mind , is called by the divines , by this name of mentall prayer . These require not , nor cannot , because of the action with which they are mixed , have geniculation to attend them . For geniculation during for a certaine time must attend upon a permanent action of prayer , and not upon a transient , This transitorie ejaculation may , and doth consist with the taking of the Sacramentall elements , eating , and drinking , seeing it may , and doth consist with all other our actions , even taking , eating , drinking , at our common meales . It is the permanet action of mentall prayer which we deny , can consist with the act of receiving , eating , drinking . The understanding cannot in one continued act be employed in a continued operation , about another action during the same time without distraction , and consequently without unreverent behaviour . If a man were speaking to a Prince , and mind all that time another thing , if it were possible , it were unreverent behaviour especially if his behaviour were manifested by some outward signes , and employment about other actions , howbeit otherwayes commendabl● . Our opposites must either confesse , that during that act of receiving , eating , drinking I mean not onely the soule , but one power of the soule , As for example the intellectuall faculty is exercised by a permanent operation in the action of prayer during the time of their geniculation , and also at the same time , the same faculty of the understanding is exercised by a permanent operation in another action , considering the analogy of things sensible with things invisible , according as the symbols , and every rite ministreth occasion of meditation , which is the carefull inquisition of the soule . And so confesse that they doe both a thing unpossible , and unseemly , or els , that one action succeedeth another , and that geniculation is in respect of both , which is idolatry . Yee suppose the first were supposed to be true and possible , that both the permanent actions must consist together , yet were it also idolatry . For mentall prayer should be concealed at all times in publick , and ought not to be expressed by signes and gestures of prayer outwardly : farre lesse in the place , where it cannot be done without idolatry , or a shew of idolatry : for otherwise the three children might have bowed before the golden image : and Nehemias , when hee stood before the King. Defence of our eightenth Argument . KNeeling bringeth in a private worship , during the time , and act of another worship , which is publick . He telleth us of the abuses of some places . For it is no good , and comely order , that whilest others are communicating apart , and the minister speaking to them , chapters should be read ▪ & P●●lms song by the congregation , but the mi●●●●er ought first to d●si●● from speaking . Wala●●dus Strabo saith , s We beleev , that of old ●he 〈◊〉 fathers did offer , and communicate with s●●ence ; which we yet observe upon Easter Saturday . Howb●●t all cannot conven●●ntly communicate at one table , yet when others do communicate , and reap their private and particular fruit , the action should be so ministred , that s●me publick fruit may in the mean time re●ound to others who have not , or have already communicated . Defence of our ninteenth Argument . WE are bound by our oath to keepe the purity of our profession , both in doctrine , and policie , and to withstand to the uttermost , all corruptions ●●●n●d by our K●●k , either in the first or second confession of faith , the first or second ●ook of discipline , acts of parliament , and ●cts of generall assemblies , under the danger of damnation in the fearfull day of iudgement . Let the temporizer and the formalist keep the next Christmas with this fearfull execration . Discipline is changed , and the forme of government to another kinde of policy , and not acts of circumstances onely . Our oath was not made of matters indifferent , but of things unlawfull ; and suppose indifferent , yet not as indifferent , but as scandalous , dangerous , and apt to provoke to superstition and idolatry . The oath is handled already at large in Perth Assembly . Answer to his ten Arguments for kneeling I Have no will to spend another sheet of paper on them , therefore I will be short . To the first : All our former arguments proue this kneeling not to be indifferent . Sitting we think not so necessary , as that there could not be a sacrament without it , but to the due ministration of the sacrament we think a table-gesture necessary . As for the gesture of sitting , we think that the example of the first supper , seconded with the practise following , should be equivalent to a precept , seeing it is so taken in other matters of policie . Howbeit to sit be not in the Categorie of actions , yet it necessarily presupposeth local motion , vvhich is an action . And Christ cōmanding them in these words , Doe this , comprehended not onely deeds , but also words , and the whole forme of the celebration , as if he hadisayd , celebrate this supper , is yee see we have now celebrated it The rest of the confirmation of this Arment hath been answered in the defence of our first , second and sixth arguments , and the two former treatises . His second and third arguments are answered in our seventeenth argument . The sensible manner of giving in the sacrament , is one of the chiefe reasons , wherefore we should not kneele ; least we seem to adore the means when vve are in the very use of them . And as for the spirituall manner , we receive these same things in the word one by one , as vve do in the sacrament , howbeit outvvardly the vvord sound generally to the eares of all . We uncover our heads , when the scripture is read not for adoration , but veneration , whereby vve discerne betwixt it , and the voyce of men . To kneele vvhen the vvord is read , is to adore in the time of another action , and confound them , or rather to omit the duty of hearing vvith such attention , as we are bound to ; or else to adore the word it selfe , which is idolatry , or else to mock God , and his publique worship . Of this we have spoken sufficiently in the seventeenth Argument . Yea , further , suppose it were lawfull to kneele at the hearing of the Word read , it is not lawfull to bow down before a creature in the Sacrament . To the fourth Argument : a table-gesture we hold necessary to the due ministration , suppose sitting in speciall be not so necessarie , it followeth not kneeling is as necessarie , as sitting , because kneeling is no table-gesture ; the rest is answered in our 1. 2. 6. 7. Arguments . His fifth Argument is answered in our 1. and 2. Arguments . His six● is answered in our first Argument . The gesture of Christ at preaching and prayer , was variable ; and therfore we may v●ry . His gesture at the Pa●chall suppers , and at this last Supper was one , and in a rituall action requiring some competent gesture . The seventh Argument is answered in our 16. Argument . That the Ancients changed sitting into standing , was done without good reason : Their liberty of changing that , and many other things in the Sacrament , drew on at last the abominabl Masse , and the breadie God. I● the Church now should take greater liberty , and change from siting or standing to kneeling , as they did , it were but to proceed from worse to worse . For there is great difference betwixt change of one Table-gesture into another , and a change of a Table-gesture into a gesture of adoration . The eighth Argument is answered in the 8. 9. 1● . 11. Arguments . To the ninth , Howbeit the Lutheran thinketh that Christ is not to bee adored in the bread , out of the use of the Sacrament ; yet in the use and in the act of receiving , they kneele ; because of their opinion of the reall presence of Christs body . The rest hath bene answered in our 11. Argument . The tenth doeth not conclude for kneeling , and impugneth sitting as thoug● urged necessarily by us . When as we onely ground upon Christ , and his Apostles sitting , and other rites , the necessitie of a Table-gesture , not to the essence of a Sacrament , but to the due ministration of that action : that the rest of the commanded rites may be performed , which cannot be performed with a gesture of adoration . Sitting wee thinke ought not to be changed , no not into standing , without some waighty consideration of some urgent occasion , because it was the gesture of Christ , his Apostles , and the Apostolicall Kirkes ; it is the ordinary gesture of guests at feasts , and resembleth best the familiar accesse of the soule to the spirituall Table . As for types of our Supper in heaven , and sitting at it , we have answered in the defence of the seventh Argument . VVHat I have omitted in the answer to his ten Arguments , is either not worthy of answer , or already answered in the preceeding defence , as also in the two former treatises . FINIS . Pag. 2. in the Marg. quosque for quo●sque . pag. 6. at for as . pag. 32. obstued for obscuted . pag. 60. or for are . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A17572-e180 a Annal. tom . 1. an , 34. num . 44. Vnde quod dicit Matthaeus , coenantibus autem eis accepit Jesus panem , & benedixit , & quod Marcus a● , & manducantibus illis accepit Iesus panem , & benedicens fregit : idem est ac si dixisset , recumbēubus illis . b De Eucharist lib. 4. cap. 27. c Tom. 4. l. 3. c. 2. Quavis autē●otū Sacramentū post coenam institutum fuerit , in ipsius tamen coenae fine institutum est , eum adhuc discumberēt , & manducarent . Nam manducarunt ●bos alios quosq●e ad institutionem ●oelestes ●bi ventum est . Ideoque Matth. & Mar. a●unt , mand●cantibus ipsis effectum esse hoc Sacramentū . Adhuc enim in inducabant , cum Dominus accepit panem , benedixit , & fregit . d Exercit. 16. p. 511. Paulus ●otam illam Corinthiorū actionē , quae sacro & cōmuni convivio constabat ; a potiori parte vocat Coenam Dominicam . Tom. 1. An. 57. Num. 130. Corinthios autem inter coenandum miscentes sacra cōmunibus , quod correxit Paulus , Eucharistiā sumere consuevisse . Au. epist. 118. ad Ianuariū affirmat . e Num. 136. scriptū a Philone convivium sacris videtur admixtū quale illud Pauli ad Corinthios . f Obedience pag. 461. g De origine error ▪ circa coenam cap. 4. Vnde nimirum ritus ille ad nos dimanavit , quo vel bodie in Cathedralibus ecclesus & monaster●s Benedictinorum in die Coenae Domini ante parasceuen Coena Domini palam & sp●endidius celebratur . Nam Evangelium Iohannis 4 Diacono publice praelegitur , & dulcisstma illa colloquia Christi , quae abiturus cu● discipulis habuit , recitantur : interim ordine dispositis mensis convivae assident , panem azimum frangentes , & calicem invicem propinantes , & in totum veteris coenae vestigium praeferentes . h p. 12. 27 ( i ) Instit. lib. 4. cap. 17. S. 35. k Contra Harchium . Scilicet , quū ipse adstans ad mensam Dominus , vere adorandu● qua Deus , & qua De●● & homo simul coenam instituebat , surrexerunt singuli discipuli , ut ●●genua procumbentes , panem illum & vinum illud ex ipsius ma●● acciperent : & ignorabant scilicet ipsi Apostoli quo ritu deinceps celebranda mysteria ecclesijs traderent . l Audientes sedere , prophetantes stare significat dicendo , Quod si alij sedenti . m P. A. pag. 38. ●ol . pag. ● . 6. n Lib. 1. cap. 18. o Symposia 5. p Homil. 7. ●n 1. Cor. 11. q De symbol . & ritib. eucharist . p. 152. Neque Apostoli ad tempus vespertinum sese adstrinxerūt , sed pro occasione caenam administrarunt , alias diurno tēpore , ut legere est , Act. 2. 46. alias intēpesta nocte , ut act . 20. Quo sacto satis ostenderunt tempus coenae per se esse indifferens . Notes for div A17572-e860 r Exercita● . p. 511. Hoc ▪ ut videtur , significans , priscu temporib . omni●● convivia fuisse appel● la●a deipna , etiam quae non fierent , in fine di●i . s An●e focos olim longis considere mensis Mos erat , & mensae ●redere adesse Deos. Ovid. fast . 5. t De coena Domini pag. 345. Sacrificio competit ara , communication● sacrificu compet it mensa . v pag. 16. ●8 , 34. 35. Notes for div A17572-e1100 x Lect 3● . in Can. miss● y Tom 3. p. 702. 90● . z In Mat. 26. a Tom. 3. p 702 vbi nu●la ratio cogit , non oportet ( ordinem tex us ) mutare ●raesert●● cum ab Evangelistis . & Pa●lo tanta conse●sio●e observatus ●it . b Ibid. I. taque postquā Christus accepit & bened . xii pa●ē , illum insufficientes partes distribuit , & in pa●ina acc●modate posuit , ac po●rexit discipu . is , ●tcens verba cōsecrationis , quibus fi i● is singul● suam partem acceperu●t & communicarunt . Notes for div A17572-e1400 d Piscator in Luk. 17. 18. Ordinis inversio aliqua , quatenus pars actionis circa vinum narratur , v. 17. & 18. ante actionē circa panem . Nam verba illa de poculo coe●● Domini●● int●lligenda ess●l quet ex Ma●co , qui verba illa , dico me non bibitu●um , &c. verbis de poc●lo coe●ae Domini●● pronunciatis continenter sub●ungit . e Lectio 3● in Canon Missae . f De coen● Domini , p. 348. Existimo neminem esse qui nege● vinum in poeulo fuisse , cum dixerit Dominus Math. 26. Luk. 22. haud bibiturum se amplius . Homil. 83. in Math. g Ad Hedibiam . h Se tenet in manibus , se cibat ipse cibus . Se nascēs dedit socium , convescens in edulium . i De coena Domini q. 59. k Beza in Mark. 14. 25. Alludit ad morem , q. o nefas erat post poculum illud apolyticon quicquam cibi in posterum diem capere . l Defens . Harm●n . generalis , cap. 4 m Verosimile igitur est & prope necessarium hos versiculos ex sacrae coenae institutione huc esse a scribis trajectos . ( n ) Tim. 3. p. 909. Licet a Luca haec verba , non bibam &c. referantur ante consecrationē , videtur tamen id factum esse per anticipationem Nam Matthaeus & Marcus post consecrationem ista referunt . o In Math. 26. Ita salicet ut illud dederit alteri ex proxime accumbētibus actum deinceps singuli ordine aljis cata cucloposiā istud porrexerint . p Tom. 3. p. 861. Quod in calice est ev●dentius ex illis verbis . Accipite & divid●●e inter vos , fuit ergo per proprias Apostolorū manus ab uno in alium delatus . q Probabile est Dominum panem confregisse in duas partes , earumque alteram dedisse illi qui proximus ipsi accumbebat ad dextram alteram vero idi qui ad sinistram , ut isti deinceps proxime accumbentibus porrigerent , donec singuli particulā sibi decerpsissent . ( r ) De Orig. error . circa coenam ●ol . 201. Hinc fortassis ritus ille ad nos manavit , qui etiam hodie in usu est , ut finitis , Missarū solenn●●s panes diuidantur pauperibus . s Antiquitatum cōvivialium li. 3. cap. 10. In jis enim amicitiae ergo humaniter se mutuo excipientes vini calicem sibi invicem porrigebant , quent Philotesiam appellabant , metonymice nimirum , quia symbolum erat amoris , & amicitiae , q●● nomine verissime quis idud sacrosanctae Domini coerae poculum 〈◊〉 signierit . See more of this 4. Argum. P. A. page 41. 42. 43. 44. Sol. pag. 8. 9. 10. Notes for div A17572-e2030 t Obedience , p. 461. v Obedience p. 494. x Homil. in dictum Pauli oportet hereses esse . y P. A : pag. 44. z In 1. Cor. 11. 24. a Pag. 19. b Art. 11. ( c ) P. A. pag. 44. Sol. p. 32. Notes for div A17572-e2320 d P. A. pag. 54. ● Sol. pag. 22 , 25. 27. e Reply to Harding art . 1 , p. 136. f Contra Gardin . col . 735. edit . Basil . 1581. Tamen illa Christum nobis praesentë mag●s constituere , quant verba , aut promissiones constanter pernego . ( g ) pag. 22. 23. 24. Notes for div A17572-e2430 ( l ) ●om . 3. p. 8. O sacr●m convivium , in quo Christus sumitur , recolitur memor●a passionis ●ius , mens impletur gratia , et fu●●●ae gloriae nobis p●gnu● datur . h In Mat. 26. Et in nostra coena typus est futurae coe ae , ac m●nsae Domini●●e qua Luc 22. 29 &c. i Liturg. e●●les pereg . k lib. 5. de rep . eccles . cap 6 appendice ad Naz an . m Part. 3. quaest . 60. a●t . 3. n See more Sol. 33. 34. Notes for div A17572-e2680 Eccl. Pol. l. ● . sect . 6● . o Contra Gardin . par . 3. ibi enim , & verbis , & symbolis , visibilibus ex citamur ad Christum ipsum & agnoscendum , & adorandum . p Tom. 1. disput . 53. 54. q de magnib . cap. 20. r Defence pag. 285. s In 2. Tim. hom . 2. Quemadmodum enim verba , quae locutus est Christus eadē sunt , quae sacerdotes nunc quòque pronunciantita & oblatio eadē est ▪ eademque baptismi ratio est , adeo omnia in fide consistunt . t Homil ▪ de proditio . Iudae . Et vox illa quidem semel dicta est , sed per omnes mensas ecclesiae usque ad hod●rnum diē ▪ et usque a● ejus adventīe praestat sacrificio firmitatem . ( u ) P. A. 45. 46. 47. 48. 49. 50. 51. Sol. p. 40. 41. 4● ▪ 43. 23. Notes for div A17572-e3030 x Loc. com . p. 1111. In ri tu Sacramentorum administrandorū i● amplectendus est , qui fuerit quam s●●p i●●s●mus , atque a Papist●●s nugis & ceremoniol● maxime remo●●s : & ad puritatem , qua Christus cum Apostolis usus est , quam plu●imum accesserit . Notes for div A17572-e3080 y P. A. p. 55. Sol. p. 38. Notes for div A17572-e3120 ( z ) 1. Part. p. 164. ( z ) Loc. com . p. 1111. Averruncentur sub ipsis initijs mala semina & putres radices , nam si è principio negligantur ( scio quod loquo ▪ ) postea multo difficilius ●lluntur , Idque providendum est ut in sacramentis , & praecipue in ●ucharistia , quam sincerissime fiat . Ibi sint mihi crede idololatriae estifera semina , quae porro nisi sublata fuerint ecclesia Christi puro ●ceroque cultu nunquam erit ornata . Non contemnantur sacramenta ut inania & vana signa , rursumque non illis plus tribuant omines quam ipsorum institutio ferat . b Col. 160 c Quaest. 243. In ipsa panis sumptione adoratio apud nēsam quam sit periculosa , utpo●e quae artolatriae occasionem aperuerit , unde tandem homines ad metousian praecipitavit Satan , res ipsa demonstrant . d Sol. pag. 36. Notes for div A17572-e3370 e P. A. p. 60. f De rep . eccl . li. ● . c. 6. append . ad Hilarium ●umer . 69. Notes for div A17572-e3450 ( g ) Quando ipsum factū est tale , quod de sui ratione habeat , quod sit inductivum ad peccandum , puta cū aliquis publice facit peccatū , vel quod habet similitudinem peccati . 2. 2. quest . 43. art . 1. ad 4. Notes for div A17572-e3740 h Post vespertinum sacerdotum ad altare in sabbatho ingressum . ex cōsuetudine quae servatur , nemo genu flectat usque ad sequentē vesperam in die Dominico . i De Cor●milit . die Dominico jejunare , aut de geniculis adorare nefas est . ( k ) Hist lib. 7. cap. 8. l Homil. de encenijs . Stemus trementes & timidi demissis oculis , renata autem anima gementes , sine voce , jubilantes corde . Annon vides eos , qui sensibili , corruptibili , temporali & terreno regi assistunt , quā sint immobiles , non loquentes , non oculos huc et illue mittentes , &c. m De orat . cap 14 Ergo devotion● Deo obseq●●● Eucharistia resolvi● , ●●●magis Deo obligat ? Noune ●●l●n ▪ mor ●rit statio ●ua , s● & ad 〈…〉 Dei st●●●●s ? Nōn● acce●●to corpore Domini & reservat ▪ 〈◊〉 qu● sa●vu●●m est ▪ & pa●●ici●●●●o sacrifi●ij & execu●●●ss ●ij . 〈…〉 〈…〉 ▪ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . 65 o Hom. 27. in 1. Cor. Et hoc facis , cum ad Christi mensam dis●ubueris , in die illa , qua carnem eius linguae attingere dignatus es● Sanguis Christs , c●lix vitae . o Justit . lib. 4. c. 18 , s. 11. ( p ) Justit . lib. 4 c. 17. s 43. Quam non longe ab Aposiolorum aetate coena Domini tacta rubigine fuerit ; sed isthaec scilicet humanae confidentiae procacitas est , quae se continere nequit , quin semper in Dei mysterijs ludat & lasciviat . Notes for div A17572-e4080 q De communione sub utra que specie cap. 12. l Hom. 79. ad populu● . Notes for div A17572-e4200 s De rebus ecclesiast cap 22. Cum ver● credamus pris●●s temporibus patres sanctos cum si●entio obtul sse , vel cōmunicasse ● quod e●●●m hactenus in Sabbatho sancto pasc●ae observamus .