A second letter to Mr. Miles Prance in reply to the ghost of Sir Edmond-bury Godfrey 1682 Approx. 20 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 4 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2007-10 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A69994 Wing E3548B ESTC R6207 12416713 ocm 12416713 61689 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A69994) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 61689) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 285:8 or 1614:52) A second letter to Mr. Miles Prance in reply to the ghost of Sir Edmond-bury Godfrey Everett, George, Shipwright. Paine, William. 4 p. Printed for N. Thompson, London : 1682. Caption title. Variously attributed to William Paine and George Everett. Imprint from colophon. This item at reel 285:8as Wing P192 (number cancelled in Wing CD-ROM, 1996) and as Wing E3548B at reel 1614:52. Reproduction of original in the Huntington Library and the Union Theological Seminary Library, New York. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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Copies of the texts have been issued variously as SGML (TCP schema; ASCII text with mnemonic sdata character entities); displayable XML (TCP schema; characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or text strings within braces); or lossless XML (TEI P5, characters represented either as UTF-8 Unicode or TEI g elements). Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Godfrey, Edmund Berry, -- Sir, 1621-1678. Popish Plot, 1678. 2006-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2006-11 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-01 Celeste Ng Sampled and proofread 2007-01 Celeste Ng Text and markup reviewed and edited 2007-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A Second Letter TO Mr. MILES PRANCE , In REPLY to the GHOST OF Sir Edmond-bury Godfrey . Mr. PRANCE , SInce my last to you of the 23 past , I have seen a prolix , railing , and impertinent Pamphlet , intituled , Sir E. B. G's . Ghost , and pretended to be an Answer to my said Letter . And conceiving You are better acquain●ed with Ghosts than my self , I thought fit to direct my Answer to that Ghost to You , and thereby shew the ridiculousness thereof , as also vindicate the Truths contained in my said former Letter , and shew You and the world further circumstances to justifie the same , and therefore , according to the method of my former Letter , I shall proceed by these Heads . And first , not understanding what the Ghost means , by arraigning the Justice of the Nation , unless he would assert that all that are legally , ( are likewise justly hanged ; ) and so consequently , that the Mother and her two Sons were ju●tly hanged in Glocestershire , for the Murder of the Lady Viscountess Campden's Steward , though he afterwards appeared alive ; And I do not find that ever his appearance arraign'd the Justice of the Nation And remitting the consideration of Mr. B●owns , the Chyrurgions , and Mrs Curtis's Evidence in relation to the Blood , to its proper place ; and affirming , ( as the truth is , ) that Mrs. Celliers , Mrs. Mary Gibbon the Newgate Priests , James Magragh , and all other Irish men , or Irish Evidences , or other Papist or Papists , or Popishly affected persons whatsoever ; as also those concerned in the late Sham of his having hang'd himself , are strangers to , and had not the least knowledge or intimation of the Contents of my said former Letter , nor any way concerned therein , or in or with any part thereof ; ( as the said Ghost most falsly and maliciously insinuates . ) I take notice that the said Ghost seems to admit so much of the truth of the said Letter , as that it was reported divers days before the dead Body was found , that he was murdered in Somerset-house by the Papists , and which report was made even the next morning after he was missing , ( being Sunday 13 Octob. 1678 ) Now I would fain have this Ghost to inform the world who first raised that Report : But as to Mr. Dugdale's Letter of it I cannot give it any better Answer , than that as his Evidence hath since been disbelieved in matters of greater consequence , so he not producing any such Letter , you must give me leave also to suspect him in this . But as to the other Evidences of Mr. Birch and the rest , Theirs I believe to be very true ; for it 's no miracle that a Report so cunningly raised , ( without any ground ) might as industriously be promulged to most parts of the Kingdom before the respective days they speak of , especially when the Plot had filled all mens heads with Fears and Jeolousies , without which it had not been in the power or art of the Ghost , or any of his Tribe , to have suggested the least Surmise to contradict his being Felo de se . Next , whereas my Letter saith , ( and that truly ) that the Coroner's Jury were first of opinion , and accordingly declared , he was Felo de se , and that much Art and Skill was used to procure their Verdict to the contrary . This Ghost , instead of contradicting that Truth , would insinuate , as if that Letter reflected upon the Reputation of the Jurors , when as there was no such thing imply'd or intended , they being known to be honest men , of good Reputation , and free from Fraud or Guile , and consequently the easier to be over-reach'd , by the Cunning of those and that Party , whose interest it was to deceive them , and who never leave any stone unturned to attain their designs . And I cannot but observe how skilful and industrious these People still are , to hide and prevent the truth of that man's Death from clearly appearing and shining forth , as without doubt it would , and must do , was not the matter now ( as formerly ) puzled with Legends , and long Stories , nothing to the purpose And as to the Coroner's Warrant for burying the Body , and recited in the Ghost , it 's Notorious they are common Tricks , used by men of his Profession , who ( if any money is like to come ) will usually adjourn the Jury , and then make such Warrants , ( they knowing , that if the Verdict be Felo de se , it 's then out of their power to give leave to bury the Corps . ) And it would be very material , if the Coroner would declare what he received for that Jobb , and of whom , and what Evidence he had to induce the Jury to find ( as the Inquisition imports ) that he was strangled with a Linen Cloth , a matter of Fact never so much as spoken of , until You came in with your Evidence , which was not in some weeks after . And I do again aver , That the Body was required by the Jurors to be opened , and was refused ; and if the Body was in their and the Coroner's power , ( as the Ghost insinuates ) such power was concealed from , and denied the Jury . And it 's very probable the Coroner of Westminster's assistance was refused , for some such indirect doings , for that there was not the least difference betwixt the Coroners in relation to their Jurisdictions , and the Westminster Coroner came not voluntarily of himself , but was importuned to be there by Mr. Wigg , and divers others of the chief Inhabitants of St : Martyn's Parish . And particularly , the Reverend Dr. Lloyd ( who preached the Funeral Sermon ) spoke to the Coroner of Westminster before he went , so that it had been proper to have given the matters mentioned in that Sermon in evidence before the Jury . And it 's observable , the person mentioned to give the Information to the Doctor of the two wounds in the Body , and that two hours before it was found , was never produced ; For if he had , and that Sir E. B. G. had been murthered , such person might have been secured , and thereby the Murderers detected . But I suppose the Ghost will not pretend either that Sermon , or the Pamphlet printed by Nat. Thompson to be legal , or ( indeed ) any Evidence at all . And now , Mr. Prance , being come to the several Paragraphs of my Letter , I shall take them in order as they are placed , and give the Ghost particular Answers accordingly . I. As to Sir E. B. G.'s Perambulations therein mentioned to be on the Saturday he was first missing , they are true in every particular , and will be proved by divers able , credible and undeniable Witnesses . And how vain it is for the Ghost to ask , Why these Witnesses did not come in sooner at the Tryal of Greene , Berry and Hill , do you judge , when all the world remembers the great Torrent that carried all before it in favour of the Plot , and the murder of Sir E. B. G. by the Papists , without which ( as T. O. was heard to say ) his Plot had failed ; And when it is duly considered , that the two persons that first found the Body , ( for no other cause ) suffered much in their Persons and Estates , by a long and chargeable Imprisonment . And all others that then seemed to doubt of the truth of that man's being murdered by the Papists , were stigmatized with the odious Names of Papists , and Discouragers ( if not Promoters ) of the Plot ; It will appear no wonder , if people were unwilling to discover their knowledges , or to come voluntarily ( without process ) to give their Evidence . And how can it be imagined those three unfortunate men , being kept close Prisoners , could make inquiry after proper Evidences , or ( against the common vogue ) draw into suspition the assertion of his being murdered by the Papists . II. The Ghost hath so much ingenuity to grant the 2d Paragraph of my Letter , as to the place and posture he was found in , but would avoid the inaccessableness of the place , pretending a Lane near , when as that Lane is , in effect , unpassable , with two on a Horse , and comes not within 500 yards of the place , and the Mounds thither very high , and the Constable and his Assistants , ( though they lived in the Parish , and well knew the way ) were forced to break a Gap in the Mounds , though they were singly Hors'd . And whereas the Ghost alledges , That you do not depose he was carried to the place wholly on Horseback , he hath run himself into a worse Dilemma , having made no provision of men ( either as to strength or number ) to carry so great and weighty a Corps , in the dead of the night , over such Mounds and Fences ; But let all inquisitive People , desirous of Truth , take the pain , but to go to the place ( and that without any burthen on their backs ) they will soon be convinced of the Assertion of the difficulty ( if not impossibility ) of the bringing a Dead Corps thither , either on Foot or on Horseback . And the pretensions of the Ghost's , as to the limberness of the Body and Joynts , does not answer that part of my Letter which relates to the impossibility of his being put into a Sedan . For his Body , when found , was stiff ; so that what limberness happened or appeared afterwards , hath no relation to the Question . For it 's a certain Maxim , a dead limber Body cannot be stiff'ned . And pray , Mr. Prance , give us an account what became of the Sedan , and the Cords ? and how you could carry it with Cords ; for the meanest Sedan-man in Town will tell you it is impracticable , or rather impossible ; And you may , if you please , make an experiment with a Cord. III. As to the Body being full of Bloud , when found ; the Ghost endeavours to disprove that Assertion , by the Evidence of Mr. Brown the Constable , the two Chyrurgeons and Mrs. Curtiss , and produceth the Evidence given at the Tryal of Green , Berry and Hill , and an extrajudicial Affidavit since made by Mr. Brown , and another by Mrs. Curtiss , to countenance such his denyal . But , Mr. Prance , ( when you see the Ghost ) tell him the matter of the Bloud will ( and I assure you and all the world it will ) be proved by divers credible and undeniable Evidence ; And that I may pacifie the Ghost in the mean time , he is to understand that Mr. Brown , the two Chyrurgeons , and Mrs. Curtiss , are no competent ( nor can be material ) Witnesses in this case . For Mr. Brown ; as he did a rash and unaccountable act ( to give it no worse name ) in removing the Body before the Coroner and Jury saw it , ( which hath occasion'd all this dispute ; , ) so he must not think to help himself by Affidavits , or to justifie one Ill Act by another ; And besides , as he unadvisedly ( and contrary to all Law and Practice ) removed the Body before the Coroner and Jury came ; so he did the same in the dark , ( about Eight a clock at night ) when the Candle was blown out ; whereby it was impossible for him to look for any Bloud , so as to find it ; And neither he or the Chyrurgeons ( by any day-light ) saw the place where the Body was found , or where the Sword was pulled out , until after 10 a Clock the next day , before which time much of the Bloud was taken up , and the rest trampl'd out of sight by the great concourse of the People which came thither . And as for Mrs. Curtiss , she only saw the Body after it was brought home , when as the Body was stript at the White-House , and a Blanket borrow'd there to wrap the Body in , So the world may judge of the Truth of her Affidavit . But ( Mr Prance ) it will be fully proved , that the Body was full of Bloud ; and that the● were Cakes or Gobbets of dry Bloud found in his Cloaths , which ( with his Body ) stunk extremely . And it will be also fully and effectually proved , that his Eyes , Nostrils , and Corners of his Mouth , were Fly blown ; tho' the Ghost ( without the least colour of reason ) pretends it to be contrary to Nature and Reason ; when as common experience daily evinces the contrary . And I do observe , that the Ghost omits to take notice of Two material Circumstances in this 3 d. Paragraph , ( viz. ) The first as to the Swords crashing against the Back-bone : The second , as to that part of the Sword which was in his Body being discoloured . And pray , Mr. Prance , do You ( or the Ghost ) give the reasons thereof , and of its Point being Rusty ; As also , what was , or could be the cause of the Spots in the Shirt , Wastcoat and Drawers , of Greenish Colour , mentioned in Mrs. Curtisses Affidavit . IV. As to the 4th . Paragraph of my Letter , I perceive the Ghost admits , that when a man is Strangled or Hanged , his Eyes will be extorted ; and admits , that Sir E. B. Godfrey's Eyes ( when found ) were shut ; only he seems to quarrel with the colour of his Face ; And , seeing he admits his Face not Black ( as all Hanged mens are , when cold ) I care not to contest , whether his Face was Pale or Ruddy , or a little Swell'd , or not , those being very inconsiderable Circumstances . But his denying the putrefaction charged in that Paragraph , and the consequences deduced from thence , is not only a great untruth , but is directly opposite to the Evidence given by Mr. Skillard , at the Tryal before mentioned . Page 37 , 38. V. As to the 5th . Paragraph ; The Ghost is so far from answering the Assertions therein , as that he only quibbles at words ; and begging the Question , deduces thence impertinent and ridiculous Arguments . For it will be proved , that his Shoes were glazed at the bottom of the Soles , and which must of necessity be occasioned by his walking on the Grass . And ( Mr. Prance ) if you and the Ghost will walk thither , you will easily experience it , and so may any body else satisfie himself in this speculation ; As also , as to the Grass-seeds that stuck in the seams of his Shoes ; which is so far from being impossible at that time of the year , ( as the Ghost would argue ) as that it will be proved by undeniable Evidence . But ( Mr. Prance , ) pray ask the Ghost how he came there without a speck of Dirt ? and who pick'd the Horse-hairs off his Cloaths ; and let him contrive ( if he can ) a probable or rational way for a Dead Man on Horse-back . to hold up his Legs , or to save them or his Cloaths from the dirt : For though a man may walk thither very clean , yet it●s impossible at that time of the year to ride , either without being dirtied and some Horse hairs sticking on his Cloaths : But perhaps the next account from the Ghost will be , that he either rid with Gambadoes , or else a pair of Fisher-mens Boots . VI. As to the sixth Paragraph , Pray Mr. Prance tell the Ghost , his railing against Popish Nurses and Popish Midwives is no answer to the Assertions in that Paragraph : for all the women in the Town are competent Judges thereof , and I hope the Ghost will not say they are all Papists . But pray tell the Ghost he takes no notice of the heighth of the Collar , and its being fast button'd about his Neck when found . Nor the conclusion of that Paragraph ; and therefore I suppose he admits it to be all true . VII And as to the 7 and last Paragraph , which relates only to the difference betwixt Yours , and Mr. Bedlow's Evidence ; I must take notice , that what You and He swear , are very contradictory , and much more than I hinted in my said Letter : And though part of it be as He and You were informed , yet You and He swear the Informations were received from the Persons actually concerned in the Murder , and who had confidence enough in Mr. Bedlow ( though he refused 4000l to help to kill him , and 2000l to help carry him away , ) as to shew him the dead Body , and so were under no temptation of mis-informing either him or your self . And pray Mr. Prance , will You let the world know what reward You were to have for that Job : For certainly You deserved as much as Mr. Bedlow , and needed more , you having a Wife and Children , and he a Batchelor . Thus , Mr. Prance , having gone through each Paragraph of my Letter , and answered the Ghost to your satisfaction ; I should leave here , fearing I have been too tedious already : But I cannot omit to take further notice of Mrs. Curtis's Affidavit , in relation to the drops of Wax found upon the Cloaths , in which I cannot say but she may swear true ; but this I do aver , that if it be so , those drops were put upon the Cloaths long after he was found , and after the Jury had sat on the Body ; for there was no such thing then on the Cloaths : And I suppose this was some Artifice used by those , who , either out of Interest or Design , were desirous to confirm his being murthered at Somerset-house , and to carry on the great lie and impertinent story then invented , and given out ( amongst others , ) that he was laid under the High Altar there ; And if my Information fail not , there were other such like tricks used , which I shall make bold to acquaint those more nearly concerned therein , than your self ; and shall give them to understand , that it 's no wonder a man in Sir E. B. G's circumstances , should kill himself , such accidents being no News to that Family , wherein Melancholly and Distraction ( that often produces such effects . ) hath been predominant , and might occasion the words he spake to Sir Tho. Robinson , as to his being the first Martyr . And now , Mr. Prance , for a Conclusion , If you were guilty of the murder of Sir E. B. G. how durst you ( as you did ) on the Friday after he was found , go to Primrose-Hill to see the Body , and not be afraid it should at your approach have bled afresh ? And how came you ( after Green , Bury , and Hill were hanged , ) to declare in answer to a solemn Question , that you knew nothing of the death of Sir E. B. G. Pray remember me to your old Friend and Lodger Mr. Renn , My Respects also to your Wife , not forgetting your little Daughter , who gave you so good advice before you took your Journey into Nottinghamshire , and help'd to take Beddingfield , who was bury'd 14 months . Cambridge , March 13. 1681. I am Your Loving Friend , Trueman . LONDON , Printed for N. Thompson , 1682.