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A47862) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 93062) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 696:1 or 986:20) A further discovery of the Plot drawn from the narrative and depositions of Dr. Titus Oates, and fairly submitted to the consideration of all indifferent readers. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. [2], 6 p. Printed for Henry Brome ..., London : 1680. Attributed to Sir Roger LÉstrange.--Cf. NUC pre-1956 imprints. Advertisement: p. 6. This item appears at reels 696:1 and 986:20. Another edition with varying subtitle published in the same year (L1252), with author's name on t.p. and having 26 [i.e. 32] p. Second and third ed. also published in 1680; 4th ed. published in 1681. Reproduction of originals in Huntington Library and Cambridge University Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. 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Popish Plot, 1678. 2003-11 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2003-12 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-07 Melanie Sanders Sampled and proofread 2004-07 Melanie Sanders Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A Further DISCOVERY OF THE PLOT , Drawn from the NARRATIVE AND DEPOSITIONS OF Dr. Titus Oates : And Fairly Submitted to the Consideration of all Indifferent Readers . No man so blinde as he that will not see . LONDON , Printed for Henry Brome at the Gun in S. Pauls Church-yard , 1680 A Farther Discovery of the PLOT . AS it cannot be deny'd , but that the Kings Witnesses have ventur'd as far , and done as much as men could do , ( under their Circumstances ) to make out the Truth of a Damnable , and Hellish Popish Plot upon the Life of his Sacred Majesty , our Religion and Civil Government : So neither must it be deny'd , on the other hand , but that the Justice and Wisdom of this Nation have emprov'd all Discoveries , by the strictest Inquisition , and scrutiny imaginable ; and done all that was possible also toward the suppressing of the Conspiracy , by the highest Instances of Political zeal and Rigour . Insomuch , that after so many Priests and Jesuits , and other Leading men of that Party removed by the stroke of Publique Justice ; so many of them under Confinement ; so many more reduced to shift for themselves beyond the Seas , beside the severe Penalties of the Law upon the rest , with all sorts of Encouragement , both for their detection and punishment : After all this care taken ( I say ) to tear up the accursed Plot by the Root , We are yet assured , that ( all this notwithstanding ) the Plot is still carried on with Confidence , and Vigour . And this we have , even from those very Persons themselves that formerly wrought in the same Mine with the Conspirators ; till through the Grace of a better Light they came to govern themselves by other Measures . This is a truth no more to be doubted , then that of the Plot it self ; which has stood the Tryall of so many Solemn and Publique Tests : Beside that we have the same Authority for the One as for the Other ; only the Circumstances not being brought into Proof , the matter of Fact lies a little more in the Dark . Whether or no the Plot goes on still , after all this Havock made of the Papists , is the Common subject of every Coffee-house Discourse . They that must be presum'd to know best , are of opinion that it does ; and those that are upon the Negative , reason the point after this manner . What ? ( say they ) Is it a Plot that will work without hands ? Where are the Papists , the Instruments that should drive it on ? Are they in the Aire or under Ground ; or are they Invisible ? For as they are now dispers'd , and broken , ( beside the Terrour that overawes them ) there are at least three Thousand Protestants , in sight , to one Papist . But do they ask where they are , because we cannot see them ? Why do they not rather ask where they are Not ? because they may be any where , and we not know them : For , as I have been told by persons of Great Quality , they 'l indue all shapes , and Exercise all Professions . They speak of one Jesuit that cry'd work for a Cooper ; another that wrought upon the Trade of a Shoomaker ; Priests in Red coats Innumerable : And it is observ'd that upon the bringing of the Late Plot to Light , all the little Frenchmen with their Marionets or Puppet-shows vanish'd in a trice : which gave a suspition that they were only a kind of Itinerant Agents for the Faction : To say nothing of their skill and Industry , in the managing of all our Divisions , and discontents , to the advantage of their own Party . These are stories ( I know ) that are much more easily Contradicted , then Prov'd : and therefore without laying any stresse at all upon Common Fame , or Hearsay , I shall now apply my self to that farther Discovery of the Plot , which I have promis'd in my Title ; and support my undertaking , upon the Authority of Dr. Oates himself ; with a respect both to the Validity of his Testimony , and to the weight of his Observations ; being a Person that hath dived deeper into the Mystery of this Iniquity ( with favour of the rest ) then any other man. As to the Hellish Design upon the Life of our Gracious Sovereign , by Pistol , Sword , or Poyson , we hope that the Neck of that Particular Plot is broken , to all Intents and purposes : But we are beholden also to Dr. Oates for the Discovery of Other and of Farther Plots that are still carry'd on by the same restlesse Party ; tending to the defaming of his Majesties Person , and Government ; the Subversion of our Establish'd Religion , and the Disturbance of the Publick Peace . So that unless the remaining , and the still growing Difficulties , and Hazzards be encounter'd with Timely and Effectual Remedies , the work of our Deliverance is but half done , and we shall yet run a risque of being ruin'd at last even in the very Port. Dr. Oates tells us in his Narrative , Printed by Authority of Parliament , that the Pope , Society of Jesus , and their Confederates in this Plot , have a Design to reduce England , Scotland , and Ireland , to the Romish Religion and Obedience , by the Sword : Pag. 63. which they hope to accomplish , among Other means , by disaffecting the Kings best Friends at home and abroad , and Subjects , against his Person and Government ; charging him with Tyranny , and Designs of Oppressing , Governing by the Sword , and without Parliaments , Pa. 67. By Aspersing , Deriding , Exposing , and declaiming against his Person , Councils , and Actions in Parliaments , and elsewhere , by Mis-reporting , and raising False News of his Affairs ; by disaffecting his Majesties Allyes , Holland , Spain , the German Emperor , and Princes by False Intelligence . By Seditious Preachers , and Catechists , set up , sent out , Maintained , and directed what to Preach in their Own , or other Private , or Publick Conventicles , and Field-Meetings . By setting up false pretended Titles to the Succession of the Crown ; and Animating Different Parties , one against another , on this or such like False pretences , to Arm and put the People in blood , upon the Kings Death . We have found Dr. Oates's Observations ( as to these particulars , ) so punctually true , that every syllable of what he has here deliver'd , is from point to point , the very matter now in Agitation . For there 's not a day passes without a Libell upon his Majesties Authority , Administration , Designes , and solemn Resolutions of State , and Council ; belying the Condition of his Affairs , and endeavouring to create Distsrusts , and Jelousies among Forreign Princes , and States , by False Intelligence ; animating , and Exciting of Turbulent Factions , and anticipating of Confederacies , to involve us all in Blood ; upon a Remote and Undutifull SUPPOSITION of the KINGS DEATH . And finally , we have Sedition Preach'd as well as written , and our Conventicles both instructed themselves , and instructing Others , in the Methods and Principles of Rebellion , this may suffice for the Doctors Judgment upon the present State of things , which in truth looks liker a Revelation , then a Conjecture . As to his Reflexions upon the Interest which the Papists had in our Past troubles ; these are his words in his Preface to the aforesaid Narrative . Who beside these were the First Authours and Contrivers of the late Unnatural War , by their Known Diabolical Art of enflaming Parties , and Passions against each other ? And ( addressing to the King ) of your Royal Fathers Unspeakable sufferings , and Barbarous Usage ? It was these that brought him to his End , and flourish'd Swords , and Trumpets over his dead Body , whom they durst not approach when Living . The Putney Projectours ( says he ) were in most , if not all the Councils , that contriv'd his Ruine . What broke the Uxbridge Treaty , but the Romish Interest , and Policy ? Who continu'd to baffle all designs of Peace , and Settlement to this Nation , and Prosperity to his Majesties Family , but those Incendiaries , Milton was a known frequenter of a Popish Club ; who more forward to set up Cromwell , and to put the Crown of our Kings upon his Head , thenPapists ? And his new fangled Government was contriv'd by a Popish Priest ; and Lambert a Papist , for above theseThirty years . I have inserted these Passages as a Curiosity in the History of those times ; which may perhaps have escap'd other men as well as my self . For though I never made any Question , but that the Church of England , as it stands Established by Law , in the Purity of Doctrine , and the Venerable Sobriety of Discipline , was ever an Eye sore to the Church of Rome ; yet I was of Opinion too , that a Licentious Vein of Ambition and Sch●sm among our selves , had carry'd a great stroke also in that Fatal Revol●tion . But however , this is a point wherein a man may without loss of Honour , or Credit , admit the possibility of his being in a Mistake . Wherefore we shall now ( with the Doctors Leave ) advance to plain matter of Fact , whereupon we have his Deposition ; the only Case wherein a man may , without Vanity pronounce himself within a degree of Infallible . We finde Pag. 8. that Richard Nicholas Blundell had every day in the Week his several places in the City of London , where he taught the Youth Treasonable , and Malicious Doctrine , against the Interest , and Person of his Sacred Majesty . Also ( Pag. 25. ) that Richard Ashby had a Conference for the sending of New Messengers into Scotland , to promote the Commotions there ; and to inform the People , of the great Tyranny they did ly under , by reason of their being deny'd the Liberty of their Conscience ; and that not being to be procured but by the sword , they must take that Course to purchase their Liberty : By which means ( sayd the Fathers thus Assembled ) we shall weaken both the Presbyterian , and the Episcopal Faction . At which Conference , the DEPONENT was PRESENT , and heard the Words . And again , Two Messengers were sent intoScotland , One by the Name of Father Moore , and the Other by the Name of Father Saunders alias Brown , with Instructions to carry themselves like NON-CONFORMIST MINISTERS ; and to Preach to the Disaffected Scots , the Necessity of taking up the Sword for the Defence ofLiberty ofConscience . These the DEPONENT saw Dispatch'd , &c. Take notice , in the First place , that here 's a Designe carry'd on for the Destruction of the King , and the Embroyling of the Government . Secondly , the pretence of the Quarrel is to be matter of Liberty and Conscience . Thirdly , it is to be promoted by Popish Emissaries , in the Councils , and Conventicles of the Non-Conformists . Fourthly , the means by which the Papists propound to compass their Ends , are by making Interests with the Separatists , under the Disguise of Ministers , and Teachers , respectively of the several Parties they have to do withall . And Fifthly , Let me recommend this Particular to your Special Remark , that Dr. Oates , throughout the whole Course of his Depositions , charges no part of the Popish Design upon any Intelligence , or Communication with the Church of England ; but makes it only to be a practice upon the Dissenters from the English Communion , to transport them into Tumults , and Distempers against both Church and State. We have here in few words , a Scheme of the whole business ; Here 's the Designe , the Pretext , the Instruments and the Methods : and upon the whole matter , here is the Church of England acquitted , as to any point of unwarrantable affinity with the Principles or Practises of the Church of Rome ; however that Testy Frenchman is pleas'd to speculate in his Fanatical Reve'ryes upon our approaches to That Communion : Wherein it may be a Question , whether he is more out in his History , or in his Morals . We are , in short , very much obliged to the Doctor , for clearing our Church to all Gainsayers , from those obloquies which by both the Extremes are indifferently cast upon us . It must not be any longer a supposition , that which Dr. Oates has given us his Oath for ; so that taking it for granted , that there is such a Project on foot , that the Papists are in the bottom of it ; and that it is promoted by the Sectaries , only as Passive Agents that are blindly bringing about the others ends : the Question is now how the Government may fairly discriminate the Protestants from the Papists ; being so blended in their Interest , as well as in their Councils ; and mask'd under such Resemblances , the One , of the Other , that they are not easily to be distinguished . It cannot be expected that a pretending Protestant shall own himself to be a Papist ; so that there 's no believing any man in the Case . And then the Epithete of a Reputed so or so , is so slender an Evidence , that many a Reputed Papist is found to be a True Protestant , and many a Reputed Protestant as true a Papist . The known and Legall Expedient which has been hitherto found Competent enough to answer the Reason and Intent of State , is the Test of the Two Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy : and yet this very provision will not reach all cases : For there are many Papists that will Take them without any difficulty ; and there are severall that call themselves Protestants , that will as obstinately refuse them . Now though the Latter ( Primo Eliz. ) was a Provision for the abolishing of Foreign Power , and the Former ( Tertio Iac. ) an Act for the discovering and repressing of Popish Recusants ; the Scope and Equity yet of Both these Provisions has a regard to the securing of the Government against any sort of people , and against any Pretensions whatsoever : So that whoever Refuses , upon a Lawfull Tender , to take these Oathes , he 's a Papist in the eye of the Law , let his Perswasion be what it will : For it is the only Priviledge of Omniscience to reade the Heart : or if ( for discourse sake ) we should suppose him to be no Papist , he is yet in the prospect of Common Reason , liable to that Imposition , because it is exacted as a Proof of his Allegiance , not of his Faith ; and men of Different Judgements in Religion may yet agree in Common Principles of Disloyalty . And then again , there 's no appealing in this Case from the Prudence and Caution of the Law ( which is allways presum'd to intend the Common Good ) to the Testimony of a Friend or Neighbour in favour of a Recusation . For the Law is a General Rule , that takes no notice of any Exceptions to it . The Law requires me to Take These Oaths in proof of my Allegiance to the Government ; and my answer is , that I am a very Honest man , but I cannot take them . What is this to the Law , that takes no Cognizance of my Honesty , but of my Obedience ? And this Rule holds in Common , as well to the Papist as to the Protestant Recusant ; They both vouch for their own Loyalty , and at the same time they do both of them Refuse to comply with the Law. The Common way of Reply in this Case , is to cast it in a mans Teeth ; But what ? will you make no difference betwixt a Papist that refuses and a Protestant ? Yes , I would , if you would but shew me how I may certainly know the One from the Other . Who knows not that Interest governs the World ? and that for Reasons best known to themselves , he that is a Protestant in his heart may be induced rather to appear a Papist ; and the Other , though a Papist in his heart , may find it his Interest yet to seem a Protestant ? But we 'l yield that Point too ; and put the Case , that the Law should be relax'd , on the behalf of any man living , Does not This open a Gap ( let him be never so Honest ) to the admittance of ten Thousand men that may plead Honesty too , and yet betray their Duties ? And is it not better then , that some few particulars should suffer by keeping firm to the Law , then that the whole should be endanger'd by Remitting it ? so that there is neither Reason nor Safety , nor Equity , in such a Relaxation , nor any regard of Common Justice and Duty in demanding it . But what if it be said , that it is not the Thing Sworn , but the Oath it self , that is Scrupled ? and that there are several sorts of Perswasions that will not bear any swearing at all ? This I must confess , is a Case somewhat nice , and unhappy , to those people that are so straight-lac'd in that Particular : But then , on the Other side , it is to the Government the most dangerous of all Pretensions , and lets in all the Priests and Jesuits in Nature , under That Colour . So that now take it both ways ; If the Law be partially Executed , the Jesuits and Priests will shelter themselves under That Indulgence : Or , if the Law should be suspended , out of a respect to those that would be thought to make a Conscience of an Oath , the Priests would all flow into Those Parties that should be exempted from this Test , and carry on their Designes without either Triall or danger . Now to wind up this Discourse , in a plain and clear Dilemma . It must be granted , either that the Papists have a Design upon the King , Religion , and Government , and that they advance it by acting the Parts of Quakers , Anabaptists , Presbyterians , and Other Sectaries , or not . No man , I presume will dare to Question the Truth of the Doctors Deposition ; for in so doing he would imply a strange abuse impos'd upon the Nation . But on the other side , admitting it to be true ; there can be no security to this Government , without either dissolving all separate Meetings , or bringing all Dissenters to this Legal Test ; for otherwise , the Papists have all sorts of Liberty , and Security in herding themselves among the Conventicles ; where upon the beating of a Bush , it will be an even wager whether you start a Jesuit , or a Fanatick . And in effect , in this case , there is not much difference betwixt them , where the Jesuit plays the Fanatick , and the Fanatick the Jesuit . If the main assertion be true , there 's no way of finding out the Papists , but by this Test : and the Dissenters themselves , if they would have Popery ferretted out in good Earnest , cannot chuse but encourage the Proposition . Either they have Priests among them or they have not : If they have , why do they not do the best they can to find them out ? if they have not , why do they say they have ? And again , either the Non-Conformists are influenc'd by the Jesuits or they are not : If they be , why do they not do all that is possible toward the Purging of their Congregations ? If they be not so Influenc'd , why do they pretend that they are , and so set the Saddle upon the wrong Horse ? And yet again ; either it is possible to clear their Conventicles of this dangerous Mixture , or it is not : If it be Possible , why do they still complain of it , and do nothing in 't ? If it be Impossible , there is no way of Extirpating Popery , but by rooting out Fanaticism . Let the World judge now , with what injustice , the Order , and the Ritualls of the Church of England are charg'd with a Tincture of Superstition , and Popery , when upon Manifest proof , the Calumniators themselves of our Ecclesiastical State are , throughout the whole Body of them , tainted with this Leaven . We are now come to the Bottom of the Popish Plot. This Liberty of wandering from the Rule , is the Trojan Horse , which under a Religious colour , we have entertain'd within our Walls ; with Discord , and Destruction in the Belly of him . An ADVERTISEMENT . WHereas the Subjects Right of Petitioning has been of Late in such manner Asserted , as if his Majesty had no Right of Refusing , this is to Advertise , that from the 3d of Ed. 3. to Hen. 8. ( as appears upon the Parliament Rolls ) it was constantly the First thing done , upon the opening of all Parliaments , after the Cause of Summons declar'd , to appoint out of the Lords Spiritual , and Temporal , certain Receivers , and Tryers of Petitions ; and still as they found any Petition not fit to be admitted , it was Rejected with a Non est Petitio Parliamenti , ( as we find it endorsed upon the Rolls ) and there was an end on 't . Note , that all Petitions were Dedicated to his Majesty , and that in many Cases , when the Parliament had not time to go thorough with them all , the King referr'd diverse of them to the Chancery . Now why the King may not as well Reject a Petition Out of Parliament , as In Parliament , and why he may not as well Reject it by Anticipation , and Prevention in a Previous and Express Prohibition and Exception to the Matter of it , as afterward , is a point worthy of a Resolution : and when his Majesty ever lost the One Right , or the Subject gain'd the Other : This Postscript is wholly Forreign to the Subject of This Pamphlet , but more accommodate to the Season . The End.