The arraignment, tryal and condemnation of Stephen Colledge for high-treason in conspiring the death of the king, the levying of war, and the subversion of the government : before the Right Honourable Sr. Francis North, Lord Chief Justice of the Court of Common-Pleas, and other commissioners of Oyer and Terminer and Gaol Delivery held at the city of Oxon for the county of Oxon, the 17th and 18th of August 1681.
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             The arraignment, tryal and condemnation of Stephen Colledge for high-treason in conspiring the death of the king, the levying of war, and the subversion of the government : before the Right Honourable Sr. Francis North, Lord Chief Justice of the Court of Common-Pleas, and other commissioners of Oyer and Terminer and Gaol Delivery held at the city of Oxon for the county of Oxon, the 17th and 18th of August 1681.
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           Colledge, Stephen, 1635?-1681 -- Trials, litigation, etc.
           Popish Plot, 1678.
           Trials (Treason) -- Great Britain.
        
      
    
     
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           I
           Do
           appoint
           THOMAS
           BASSET
           and
           JOHN
           FISH
           to
           Print
           the
           Arraignment
           ,
           Tryal
           and
           Condemnation
           of
           STEPHEN
           COLLEDGE
           ,
           and
           that
           no
           others
           presume
           to
           Print
           the
           same
           .
        
         
           
             Fr.
             North.
             
          
        
      
       
         
         
           THE
           ARRAIGNMENT
           ,
           TRYAL
           AND
           CONDEMNATION
           OF
           Stephen
           Colledge
           FOR
           HIGH-TREASON
           ,
           IN
           Conspiring
           the
           Death
           of
           the
           KING
           ,
           the
           Levying
           of
           WAR
           ,
           and
           the
           Subversion
           of
           the
           GOVERNMENT
           .
        
         
           Before
           the
           Right
           Honourable
           Sr.
           
             Francis
             North
          
           ,
           Lord
           Chief
           Justice
           of
           the
           Court
           of
           Common-Pleas
           ,
           and
           other
           Commissioners
           of
           Oyer
           and
           Terminer
           and
           Gaol
           Delivery
           held
           at
           the
           City
           of
           Oxon
           for
           the
           County
           of
           Oxon
           ,
           the
           17th
           and
           18th
           of
           August
           1681.
           
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           Printed
           for
           
             Thomas
             Basset
          
           at
           the
           George
           in
           Fleetstreet
           ,
           and
           
             John
             Fish
          
           near
           the
           
             Golden
             Tun
          
           in
           the
           Strand
           .
           1681.
           
        
      
       
         
         
         
           To
           the
           King
           's
           Most
           Excellent
           Majesty
           .
           The
           humble
           Petition
           of
           
             Stephen
             Colledge
          
           ,
           now
           Prisoner
           in
           Your
           Majesty's
           Tower
           of
           London
           ,
        
         
           Most
           humbly
           sheweth
           ,
        
         
           THat
           whereas
           Your
           Petitioner
           being
           charged
           with
           High-Treason
           ,
           is
           under
           strait
           Confinement
           ,
           that
           he
           hath
           not
           liberty
           to
           see
           or
           speak
           with
           any
           of
           his
           Friends
           or
           his
           Children
           ,
           and
           being
           lately
           informed
           ,
           that
           it
           is
           ordered
           Your
           Petitioner
           shall
           come
           to
           his
           Tryal
           at
           the
           City
           of
           Oxon
           about
           the
           middle
           of
           the
           next
           Month.
           
        
         
           Your
           Petitioner
           therefore
           most
           humbly
           prayes
           Your
           Sacred
           Majesty
           ,
           That
           leave
           may
           be
           given
           for
           Mr.
           
             Thomas
             Smith
          
           and
           Mr.
           
             Robert
             West
          
           to
           come
           to
           him
           ;
           and
           also
           to
           have
           the
           use
           of
           Pen
           ,
           Ink
           and
           Paper
           ,
           in
           order
           only
           to
           make
           his
           Legal
           and
           just
           Defence
           ,
           and
           also
           to
           have
           the
           Comfort
           of
           seeing
           his
           two
           Children
           .
        
         
           
             
               And
               your
               Petitioner
               as
               in
               duty
               bound
               shall
               ever
               pray
               ,
            
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             A
             true
             Copy
             ,
          
           
             
               Francis
               Gwyn
               .
            
          
        
      
       
         
           
             At
             Hampton-Court
             ,
             
               JULY
               28.
               1681.
               
            
          
        
         
           UPon
           Reading
           this
           Day
           at
           the
           Board
           the
           Petition
           of
           
             Stephen
             Colledge
          
           Prisoner
           in
           the
           Tower
           ,
           praying
           that
           in
           order
           to
           the
           making
           his
           Defence
           at
           his
           Tryal
           ,
           which
           he
           hears
           is
           to
           be
           the
           middle
           of
           the
           next
           Month
           ,
           he
           may
           be
           permitted
           to
           see
           his
           two
           Children
           ,
           to
           have
           the
           Liberty
           of
           Pen
           ,
           Ink
           and
           Paper
           ,
           and
           that
           Mr.
           
             Thomas
             Smith
          
           ,
           and
           Mr.
           
             Robert
             West
          
           may
           come
           to
           him
           .
           His
           Majesty
           was
           pleased
           to
           Order
           ,
           That
           the
           Lieutenant
           of
           the
           said
           Tower
           of
           London
           ,
           do
           permit
           the
           said
           
             Stephen
             Colledge
          
           to
           have
           Pen
           ,
           Ink
           and
           Paper
           ,
           and
           to
           see
           his
           two
           Children
           ,
           and
           the
           said
           Dr.
           
             Thomas
             Smith
          
           ,
           and
           Mr.
           
             Robert
             West
          
           ,
           and
           to
           Converse
           with
           them
           as
           often
           as
           he
           shall
           desire
           in
           the
           presence
           and
           hearing
           of
           the
           Wardour
           who
           attends
           him
           .
        
         
           
             A
             true
             Copy
             ,
             
               Francis
               Gwyn
            
          
        
      
       
         
         
           To
           the
           King
           's
           Most
           Excellent
           Majesty
           ,
           and
           to
           the
           Right
           Honourable
           the
           Lords
           and
           others
           of
           His
           Majesties
           Most
           Honourable
           Privy
           Council
           .
        
         
           The
           humble
           Petition
           of
           
             Stephen
             Colledge
          
           now
           a
           Prisoner
           in
           the
           Tower
           of
           London
           ,
        
         
           Humbly
           sheweth
           ,
        
         
           THat
           Your
           Petitioner
           having
           been
           a
           close
           Prisoner
           ever
           since
           his
           first
           Commitment
           ,
           is
           altogether
           ignorant
           of
           the
           particular
           matters
           charged
           against
           him
           ,
           and
           of
           the
           Names
           of
           the
           Witnesses
           who
           are
           to
           prove
           the
           same
           ;
           upon
           his
           knowledge
           of
           both
           which
           ,
           as
           well
           the
           nature
           as
           the
           manner
           of
           his
           Defence
           must
           depend
           ;
           and
           because
           upon
           the
           consideration
           of
           his
           Case
           ,
           several
           Matters
           of
           Law
           may
           arise
           as
           well
           before
           as
           at
           the
           Time
           of
           his
           Tryal
           in
           which
           Councel
           will
           be
           necessary
           to
           assist
           him
           ,
           and
           several
           Matters
           of
           Fact
           preparatory
           to
           his
           Tryal
           ,
           with
           which
           under
           his
           Confinement
           he
           cannot
           be
           furnisht
           without
           the
           help
           of
           a
           Sollicitor
           ,
           and
           he
           is
           like
           to
           be
           wholly
           uncapable
           of
           receiving
           any
           benefit
           from
           the
           priviledge
           allowed
           by
           Law
           of
           peremptory
           Challenge
           to
           several
           Jurors
           ,
           especially
           in
           a
           Countrey
           where
           he
           is
           absolutely
           a
           stranger
           ,
           unless
           he
           may
           have
           some
           knowledge
           of
           them
           before
           his
           Tryal
           .
        
         
           In
           full
           assurance
           therefore
           of
           the
           great
           Justice
           and
           Clemency
           of
           Your
           Majesty
           and
           this
           Honourable
           Board
           which
           he
           hath
           lately
           had
           some
           experience
           of
           ,
           and
           doth
           with
           all
           humility
           and
           thankfulness
           acknowledge
           ,
           Your
           Petitioner
           doth
           humbly
           beseech
           Your
           Majesty
           and
           this
           Honourable
           Board
           ,
           that
           he
           may
           have
           a
           Copy
           of
           the
           Indictment
           against
           him
           ,
           or
           the
           particular
           Charges
           of
           it
           ,
           That
           his
           Councel
           and
           Sollicitor
           may
           have
           free
           access
           to
           ,
           and
           private
           Conference
           with
           him
           ;
           and
           because
           their
           own
           private
           affairs
           or
           other
           accidents
           may
           call
           away
           some
           of
           his
           Councel
           from
           his
           assistance
           ,
           that
           Mr.
           Wallop
           ,
           Mr.
           Smith
           ,
           Mr.
           Thompson
           ,
           Mr.
           Darnell
           ,
           Mr.
           West
           of
           the
           
             Middle
             Temple
          
           ,
           Mr.
           Holles
           of
           Lincolns-Inn
           ,
           Mr.
           Rotherham
           ,
           Mr.
           Lovell
           ,
           Mr.
           Rowny
           of
           Grayes-Inn
           ,
           Mr.
           Pollexfin
           ,
           Mr.
           Ward
           of
           the
           
             Inner
             Temple
          
           ,
           may
           be
           assigned
           him
           for
           Councel
           ,
           and
           
             Aaron
             Smith
          
           for
           his
           Sollicitor
           ,
           and
           that
           he
           may
           have
           a
           Copy
           of
           the
           Jurors
           to
           be
           returned
           upon
           his
           Tryal
           some
           dayes
           before
           his
           Tryal
           .
        
         
           
             
               And
               your
               Petitioner
               shall
               ever
               pray
               ,
            
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             A
             true
             Copy
             ,
          
           
             
               Francis
               Gwyn
               .
            
          
        
      
       
         
           
             At
             Hampton-Court
             ,
             
               AUG
               .
               11.
               1681.
               
            
          
        
         
           IT
           is
           Ordered
           by
           His
           Majesty
           in
           Council
           ,
           That
           the
           Friends
           and
           Relations
           of
           
             Stephen
             Colledge
          
           a
           Prisoner
           in
           the
           Tower
           ,
           shall
           have
           Liberty
           of
           Visiting
           and
           freely
           Conversing
           with
           him
           ;
           and
           the
           Lieutenant
           of
           the
           Tower
           having
           first
           caused
           their
           Names
           to
           be
           taken
           in
           Writing
           ,
           is
           to
           suffer
           such
           Friends
           and
           Relations
           to
           have
           Access
           to
           the
           said
           
             Stephen
             Colledge
          
           without
           any
           Interruption
           from
           time
           to
           time
           accordingly
           .
        
         
           
             A
             true
             Copy
             ,
             
               Francis
               Gwyn
            
             .
          
        
      
    
     
       
         
         
           THE
           TRYAL
           OF
           Stephen
           Colledge
           ,
           &c.
           
        
         
           Present
           the
           
             
               Lord
               Norreys
               .
            
             
               Lord
               Chief
               Justice
               North.
               
            
             
               Mr.
               Justice
               Jones
               .
            
             
               Mr.
               Justice
               Raymund
               .
            
             
               Mr.
               Justice
               Levyns
               .
            
          
        
         
           On
           Wednesday
           the
           17
           th
           of
           August
           ,
           1681.
           the
           Judges
           and
           Commissioners
           of
           Oyer
           and
           Terminer
           and
           Gaol-Delivery
           ,
           met
           at
           the
           Court-House
           in
           the
           City
           of
           Oxford
           ;
           and
           after
           Proclamation
           for
           Silence
           ,
           the
           Commission
           of
           Gaol-Delivery
           was
           Read
           ,
           and
           then
           the
           Commission
           of
           Oyer
           and
           Terminer
           .
           Proclamation
           was
           made
           for
           the
           Sheriff
           to
           return
           the
           Precepts
           to
           him
           directed
           :
           The
           Justices
           of
           the
           Peace
           of
           the
           County
           of
           Oxford
           were
           called
           over
           ;
           and
           the
           Appearance
           of
           the
           Grand
           Jury
           summoned
           to
           attend
           this
           Commission
           was
           taken
           .
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
             North.
             
          
           
             GEntlemen
             ,
             You
             that
             are
             returned
             of
             the
             Grand
             Inquest
             ,
             there
             has
             been
             a
             Sessions
             so
             lately
             that
             in
             all
             probability
             there
             will
             be
             no
             great
             matter
             to
             trouble
             you
             with
             at
             this
             time
             .
             And
             so
             I
             shall
             not
             trouble
             my self
             nor
             you
             to
             give
             you
             any
             Charge
             ,
             because
             we
             know
             of
             no
             business
             yet
             that
             we
             shall
             need
             you
             for
             .
             The
             Court
             hath
             recorded
             your
             Appearance
             .
             You
             will
             do
             well
             to
             be
             in
             the
             way
             either
             in
             the
             Town
             or
             here
             about
             the
             Court
             ,
             that
             you
             may
             be
             ready
             if
             any
             thing
             should
             happen
             .
             'T
             is
             necessary
             for
             us
             to
             have
             your
             attendance
             ,
             but
             we
             know
             not
             of
             any
             thing
             that
             we
             have
             in
             particular
             to
             trouble
             you
             with
             .
             We
             have
             an
             Indictment
             before
             us
             ,
             let
             us
             proceed
             upon
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             the
             Crown
             .
          
           
             Gaoler
             ,
             have
             you
             your
             Prisoner
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Gaoler
             .
          
           
             We
             will
             fetch
             him
             presently
             .
          
        
         
         
           
             Then
             the
             Prisoner
             was
             brought
             to
             the
             Bar.
             
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             hold
             up
             thy
             hand
             .
             (
             
               Which
               he
               did
            
             .
             )
          
           
             
               Thou
               art
               here
               Indicted
               by
               the
               Name
               of
            
             Stephen
             Colledge
             
               late
               of
            
             Oxford
             ,
             
               in
               the
               County
               of
            
             Oxford
             ,
             
               Carpenter
               ;
               For
               that
               thou
               as
               a
               false
               Traytor
               against
               the
               most
               Illustrious
               ,
               most
               Serene
               ,
               and
               most
               Excellent
               Prince
               ,
               our
               Soveraign
               Lord
            
             Charles
             
               the
               Second
               ,
               by
               the
               Grace
               of
               God
               ,
               of
            
             England
             ,
             Scotland
             ,
             France
             and
             Ireland
             
               King
               ,
               Defender
               of
               the
               Faith
               ,
            
             &c.
             
               thy
               Supreme
               and
               Natural
               Lord
               ,
               the
               Fear
               of
               God
               in
               thy
               heart
               not
               having
               ,
               nor
               weighing
               the
               Duty
               of
               thy
               Allegiance
               ,
               but
               being
               moved
               and
               seduced
               by
               the
               Instigation
               of
               the
               Devil
               ,
               the
               cordial
               Love
               ,
               and
               true
               due
               and
               natural
               obedience
               which
               true
               and
               faithful
               Subjects
               of
               our
               said
               Sovereign
               Lord
               the
               King
               towards
               him
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               should
               and
               of
               right
               ought
               to
               bear
               ,
               wholly
               withdrawing
               and
               machinating
               ,
               and
               with
               all
               thy
               strength
               intending
               the
               Peace
               and
               common
               tranquillity
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               of
               this
               Kingdom
               of
            
             England
             
               to
               disturb
               ,
               and
               Sedition
               and
               Rebellion
               ,
               and
               War
               against
               our
               Sovereign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               within
               this
               Kingdom
               of
            
             England
             
               to
               move
               ,
               stir
               up
               and
               procure
               ;
               and
               the
               Cordial
               Love
               ,
               and
               true
               and
               due
               Obedience
               which
               true
               and
               faithful
               Subjects
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               towards
               him
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               should
               and
               of
               right
               ought
               to
               bear
               ,
               wholly
               to
               withdraw
               ,
               put
               out
               and
               extinguish
               ,
               and
               him
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               to
               Death
               and
               final
               Destruction
               to
               bring
               ,
               and
               put
               the
               Tenth
               day
               of
            
             March
             ,
             
               in
               the
               Three
               and
               Thirtieth
               year
               of
               the
               Reign
               of
               our
               Soveraign
               Lord
            
             Charles
             
               the
               Second
               ,
               by
               the
               Grace
               of
               God
               ,
               of
            
             England
             ,
             Scotland
             ,
             France
             and
             Ireland
             
               King
               ,
               Defender
               of
               the
               Faith
               ,
            
             &c.
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             
               in
               the
               County
               of
            
             Oxford
             ,
             
               Falsly
               ,
               Maliciously
               ,
               Subtilly
               and
               Traiterously
               ,
               did
               Purpose
               ,
               Compass
               ,
               Imagine
               ,
               and
               Intend
               Sedition
               and
               Rebellion
               within
               this
               Kingdom
               of
            
             England
             ,
             
               to
               move
               ,
               stir
               up
               ,
               and
               procure
               ,
               and
               a
               Miserable
               Slaughter
               among
               the
               Subjects
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               to
               procure
               and
               cause
               ,
               and
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               from
               his
               Regal
               State
               ,
               Title
               ,
               Power
               and
               Government
               of
               his
               Kingdom
               of
            
             England
             ,
             
               to
               deprive
               ,
               depose
               ,
               cast
               down
               and
               disinherit
               ;
               and
               him
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               to
               Death
               and
               final
               Destruction
               to
               bring
               and
               put
               ,
               and
               the
               Government
               of
               the
               said
               Kingdom
               at
               thy
               will
               and
               pleasure
               to
               change
               and
               alter
               ,
               and
               the
               State
               of
               all
               this
               Kingdom
               of
            
             England
             ,
             
               in
               all
               its
               parts
               well
               instituted
               and
               ordained
               ,
               wholly
               to
               Subvert
               and
               Destroy
               ,
               and
               War
               against
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               within
               this
               Kingdom
               of
            
             England
             
               to
               levy
               ;
               and
               thy
               said
               most
               Wicked
               Treasons
               and
               Trayterous
               Imaginations
               and
               Purposes
               aforesaid
               to
               fulfil
               and
               perfect
               ,
               thou
               the
               said
            
             Stephen
             Colledge
             
               the
               said
               tenth
               day
               of
            
             March
             ,
             
               in
               the
               Three
               and
               Thirtieth
               year
               of
               the
               Reign
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               with
               force
               and
               Arms
               ,
            
             &c.
             at
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               ,
               in
               the
               County
               of
            
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               ,
               Falsly
               ,
               Maliciously
               ,
               Subtilly
               ,
               Advisedly
               ,
               Devilishly
               and
               Traiterously
               did
               prepare
               Arms
               and
               Warlike
               offensive
               habiliments
               to
               wage
               War
               against
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King.
               And
               thy self
               in
               warlike
               manner
               for
               the
               purposes
               aforesaid
               ,
               then
               and
               there
               Falsly
               ,
               Maliciously
               ,
               Subtilly
               ,
               Advisedly
               ,
               Devilishly
               and
               Traiterously
               didst
               Arm
               ,
               and
               one
            
             Edward
             Turbervill
             ,
             
               and
               other
               Subjects
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               to
               Arm
               themselves
               ,
               to
               perfect
               thy
               Traiterous
               purposes
               aforesaid
               ,
               then
               and
               there
               Advisedly
               ,
               Maliciously
               and
               Trayterously
               didst
               incite
               and
               advise
               .
               And
               further
               ,
               then
               and
               there
               Falsly
               ,
               Maliciously
               ,
               Subtilly
               ,
               Advisedly
               ,
               Devilishly
               and
               Traiterously
               didst
               say
               and
               declare
               ,
               That
               it
               was
               purposed
               and
               designed
               to
               seize
               the
               Person
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               at
            
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               ,
               in
               the
               County
               of
            
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               .
               And
               that
               thou
               the
               said
            
             Stephen
             Colledge
             
               in
               prosecution
               of
               thy
               Traiterous
               purpose
               
               aforesaid
               ,
               wouldst
               be
               one
               of
               them
               who
               should
               seize
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               at
            
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               in
               the
               County
               aforesaid
               .
               And
               that
               thou
               the
               said
            
             Stephen
             Colledge
             
               thy
               said
               most
               wicked
               Treasons
               and
               traiterous
               Imaginations
               ,
               Compassings
               and
               Purposes
               aforesaid
               the
               sooner
               to
               fulfill
               and
               perfect
               ,
               and
               discords
               between
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               and
               his
               People
               to
               move
               ,
               cause
               and
               procure
               ,
               then
               and
               diverse
               times
               and
               dayes
               as
               well
               before
               as
               after
               at
            
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               in
               the
               County
               of
            
             Oxford
             
               aforesaid
               in
               the
               presence
               and
               hearing
               of
               diverse
               Leige
               Subjects
               of
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               then
               and
               there
               being
               present
               ,
               falsly
               ,
               maliciously
               ,
               subtilly
               ,
               advisedly
               ,
               devillishly
               and
               Traiterously
               didst
               say
               and
               declare
               ,
               That
               nothing
               of
               good
               was
               to
               be
               expected
               from
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               &
               that
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               did
               mind
               nothing
               but
               beastliness
               and
               the
               Destruction
               of
               his
               People
               :
               And
               that
               our
               said
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               did
               endeavour
               to
               establish
               Arbitrary
               Government
               and
               Popery
               against
               the
               Duty
               of
               thy
               Allegiance
               ,
               against
               the
               Peace
               of
               our
               Soveraign
               Lord
               the
               King
               ,
               his
               Crown
               and
               Dignity
               ,
               and
               against
               the
               Form
               of
               the
               Statutes
               in
               this
               Case
               made
               and
               provided
               .
            
          
           
             How
             say'st
             thou
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             ,
             art
             thou
             Guilty
             of
             this
             High
             Treason
             whereof
             thou
             standest
             indicted
             and
             hast
             been
             now
             arraigned
             ,
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             desire
             ,
             if
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             to
             be
             heard
             a
             few
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             the
             matter
             that
             hath
             been
             here
             read
             unto
             you
             is
             a
             plain
             matter
             ,
             and
             it
             hath
             been
             read
             to
             you
             in
             English
             ,
             that
             you
             may
             understand
             it
             .
             'T
             is
             an
             Indictment
             of
             High
             Treason
             ;
             now
             you
             must
             know
             ,
             that
             no
             Plea
             can
             be
             received
             to
             it
             ,
             but
             either
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             as
             to
             the
             Fact
             ;
             if
             you
             can
             assign
             any
             matter
             in
             Law
             ,
             do
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             please
             to
             spare
             me
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             be
             heard
             a
             few
             words
             .
             I
             have
             been
             kept
             close
             Prisoner
             in
             the
             Tower
             ever
             since
             I
             was
             taken
             :
             I
             was
             all
             along
             unacquainted
             with
             what
             was
             charged
             upon
             me
             .
             I
             knew
             not
             what
             was
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             nor
             the
             persons
             that
             did
             swear
             it
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             therefore
             I
             am
             wholly
             ignorant
             of
             the
             matter
             .
             I
             do
             humbly
             desire
             ,
             I
             may
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             and
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Jury
             that
             is
             to
             pass
             upon
             me
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             may
             have
             Councel
             assigned
             me
             ,
             to
             advise
             me
             ,
             whether
             I
             have
             not
             something
             in
             Law
             pleadable
             in
             Bar
             of
             this
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             These
             are
             the
             things
             you
             ask
             ,
             you
             would
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             you
             would
             have
             Councel
             assigned
             to
             you
             ,
             to
             advise
             you
             in
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             and
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             One
             word
             more
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             upon
             what
             Statute
             I
             am
             indicted
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             for
             that
             ,
             Is
             it
             not
             
               contra
               formam
               Statut.
            
             with
             an
             abbreviation
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             C.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             That
             refers
             to
             all
             manner
             of
             Statutes
             that
             have
             any
             Relation
             to
             the
             thing
             in
             the
             Indictment
             that
             is
             High
             Treason
             .
             For
             it
             may
             be
             meant
             
               contra
               formam
               Statut.
            
             which
             are
             all
             the
             several
             Statutes
             that
             are
             in
             force
             concerning
             High
             Treason
             .
             Now
             for
             those
             things
             that
             you
             demand
             ,
             you
             cannot
             have
             them
             by
             Law.
             No
             man
             can
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Indictment
             by
             Law
             ;
             for
             Councel
             you
             cannot
             have
             it
             ,
             unless
             matter
             of
             Law
             arises
             ,
             and
             that
             must
             be
             propounded
             by
             you
             ;
             and
             then
             if
             it
             be
             a
             matter
             debatable
             ,
             the
             Court
             will
             assign
             you
             Councel
             ,
             but
             it
             must
             be
             upon
             a
             matter
             fit
             to
             be
             argued
             :
             for
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             a
             defence
             in
             Case
             of
             High
             Treason
             ought
             not
             to
             be
             made
             by
             Artificial
             Cavils
             ,
             but
             by
             plain
             Fact.
             If
             you
             propose
             any
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             the
             Court
             will
             consider
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             assign
             you
             Councel
             if
             it
             be
             reasonable
             .
             For
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Jury
             ,
             that
             you
             can't
             have
             neither
             ,
             for
             there
             is
             no
             such
             thing
             as
             yet
             ;
             there
             is
             no
             Issue
             joyned
             whereupon
             such
             a
             Jury
             should
             be
             impannelled
             .
             When
             you
             have
             pleaded
             to
             Issue
             ,
             then
             we
             must
             award
             the
             Sheriff
             to
             impannel
             a
             Jury
             to
             try
             that
             Issue
             .
             So
             as
             to
             what
             you
             say
             as
             to
             want
             of
             preparation
             for
             your
             Tryal
             ,
             we
             cannot
             enquire
             what
             Notice
             you
             have
             had
             ;
             and
             yet
             if
             you
             had
             never
             so
             little
             time
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             cause
             why
             you
             should
             not
             plead
             ,
             though
             you
             were
             but
             just
             now
             taken
             and
             brought
             to
             the
             Bar
             to
             answer
             it
             ,
             and
             never
             heard
             of
             any
             thing
             of
             it
             before
             .
             So
             that
             I
             think
             you
             ought
             to
             plead
             presently
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             wholly
             ignorant
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             I
             may
             ruine
             my self
             by
             mistaking
             the
             Law
             ;
             I
             desire
             Councel
             ,
             not
             to
             delay
             my
             Tryal
             ,
             but
             only
             to
             advise
             me
             whether
             there
             is
             not
             something
             in
             Law
             proper
             for
             me
             to
             plead
             to
             this
             Indictment
             ,
             
             and
             those
             things
             I
             alledged
             were
             not
             at
             all
             to
             delay
             the
             Tryal
             ,
             but
             only
             that
             I
             may
             not
             be
             wanting
             to
             my self
             in
             what
             I
             may
             by
             Law
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             I
             tell
             you
             ,
             Councel
             cannot
             be
             assigned
             you
             ,
             till
             the
             Court
             be
             possessed
             of
             some
             matter
             to
             grant
             it
             upon
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             had
             some
             Papers
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             were
             taken
             from
             me
             ,
             which
             I
             desire
             may
             be
             restored
             to
             me
             .
             I
             only
             plead
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             have
             my
             Birth
             right
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             the
             Law
             gives
             me
             ;
             If
             I
             may
             have
             Justice
             ,
             I
             desire
             no
             more
             .
             Those
             Papers
             were
             taken
             from
             me
             in
             the
             House
             over
             the
             way
             since
             I
             was
             brought
             from
             the
             Prison
             ;
             they
             were
             Papers
             that
             concerned
             my
             defence
             ;
             some
             directions
             and
             instructions
             how
             to
             manage
             my self
             in
             that
             defence
             .
             If
             you
             please
             to
             let
             me
             have
             those
             Papers
             ,
             I
             will
             not
             take
             up
             much
             of
             your
             time
             ;
             I
             desire
             to
             have
             but
             Common
             Justice
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             is
             my
             right
             by
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             That
             which
             you
             demand
             ,
             Justice
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             by
             the
             Grace
             of
             God
             to
             the
             best
             of
             our
             skill
             ,
             without
             any
             partiality
             in
             the
             World.
             But
             you
             must
             trust
             the
             Publick
             Justice
             of
             the
             Kingdom
             .
             We
             are
             to
             be
             of
             Councel
             for
             you
             ,
             so
             far
             as
             to
             see
             that
             all
             things
             proceed
             fairly
             on
             all
             sides
             .
             And
             when
             things
             come
             before
             us
             that
             are
             fit
             for
             you
             to
             have
             Councel
             upon
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             Councel
             assigned
             you
             ;
             for
             we
             are
             tender
             of
             the
             Life
             of
             a
             Man
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             of
             the
             Life
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             Publick
             Justice
             of
             the
             Kingdom
             .
             But
             this
             is
             no
             reason
             why
             you
             should
             not
             now
             plead
             .
             For
             the
             Papers
             you
             speak
             of
             ,
             we
             will
             take
             an
             Examination
             of
             them
             afterwards
             .
             If
             they
             were
             Papers
             that
             are
             necessary
             for
             your
             defence
             upon
             your
             Tryal
             ,
             in
             Gods
             Name
             you
             must
             have
             them
             restored
             to
             you
             ,
             but
             we
             know
             not
             which
             way
             you
             came
             by
             them
             ,
             nor
             what
             they
             are
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             taken
             from
             me
             just
             now
             under
             the
             pretence
             of
             bringing
             them
             to
             your
             Lordship
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             How
             comes
             any
             body
             to
             give
             you
             Papers
             ?
             No
             body
             can
             solicit
             for
             any
             one
             that
             is
             under
             an
             Accusation
             of
             High
             Treason
             ,
             unless
             he
             be
             assigned
             so
             to
             do
             by
             the
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             God
             have
             mercy
             upon
             any
             man
             that
             is
             so
             accused
             then
             ;
             for
             't
             is
             not
             possible
             for
             him
             to
             make
             his
             defence
             ,
             if
             he
             cannot
             be
             at
             Liberty
             to
             look
             after
             it
             himself
             ,
             nor
             any
             of
             his
             friends
             permitted
             to
             do
             it
             for
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             can
             say
             ,
             whether
             you
             are
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             without
             any
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             but
             there
             may
             be
             something
             in
             Law
             for
             me
             to
             plead
             to
             this
             Indictment
             ,
             which
             I
             shall
             lose
             the
             benefit
             of
             if
             I
             plead
             .
             I
             humbly
             conceive
             ,
             you
             are
             to
             be
             my
             Councel
             ,
             and
             as
             you
             are
             Judges
             ,
             are
             to
             proceed
             according
             to
             the
             Law.
             You
             are
             upon
             your
             Oaths
             to
             do
             me
             right
             according
             to
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             till
             you
             have
             proposed
             a
             matter
             of
             Law
             fit
             for
             Councel
             to
             argue
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             Councel
             to
             be
             assigned
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             had
             those
             Papers
             I
             could
             tell
             what
             I
             should
             plead
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             this
             is
             one
             thing
             ,
             I
             am
             a
             Free-man
             of
             London
             ,
             and
             I
             am
             not
             impleadable
             by
             the
             Charter
             of
             London
             any
             where
             out
             of
             the
             Liberties
             of
             the
             City
             in
             Pleas
             of
             the
             Crown
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             are
             indicted
             in
             Oxfordshire
             for
             High
             Treason
             committed
             here
             .
             If
             there
             be
             not
             any
             thing
             of
             High
             Treason
             proved
             ,
             done
             in
             Oxfordshire
             ,
             you
             will
             be
             acquitted
             .
             But
             a
             Free-man
             of
             London
             cannot
             have
             a
             Priviledge
             to
             commit
             Treason
             in
             Oxfordshire
             ,
             but
             must
             be
             tryed
             for
             it
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             please
             to
             order
             me
             my
             Papers
             back
             that
             were
             taken
             from
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             ought
             first
             to
             plead
             .
             You
             have
             a
             right
             to
             demand
             Councel
             in
             matters
             of
             Law
             ,
             but
             then
             it
             must
             be
             upon
             such
             matters
             of
             Law
             as
             you
             your self
             propose
             to
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             the
             Court
             shall
             judge
             〈◊〉
             matters
             of
             Law
             fit
             to
             be
             debated
             :
             Till
             then
             we
             cannot
             assign
             you
             Councel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             so
             in
             the
             Tryal
             of
             Lilburne
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             Tryal
             of
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             ,
             there
             was
             Councel
             assigned
             to
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Not
             before
             they
             pleaded
             to
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             not
             your
             Lordships
             ,
             some
             of
             you
             ,
             that
             are
             Judges
             of
             the
             Kings-Bench
             say
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             the
             right
             of
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             to
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Pannel
             and
             of
             the
             Jury
             before
             the
             Tryal
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             sure
             :
             Here
             are
             two
             of
             us
             that
             are
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             we
             never
             heard
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             do
             me
             right
             ,
             I
             am
             ignorant
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             and
             through
             my
             Ignorance
             may
             mistake
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             God
             forbid
             we
             should
             not
             do
             you
             right
             ;
             you
             may
             expect
             it
             from
             us
             ;
             we
             are
             upon
             our
             Oaths
             to
             do
             all
             the
             Kings
             Subjects
             right
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             ignorant
             in
             the
             Law
             ,
             and
             't
             is
             impossible
             for
             me
             to
             make
             my
             defence
             without
             the
             Assistance
             of
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Cannot
             you
             tell
             ,
             whether
             you
             be
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             of
             this
             Treason
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             can
             so
             ,
             but
             I
             know
             not
             what
             error
             I
             may
             run
             my self
             into
             ,
             if
             I
             should
             plead
             presently
             ,
             and
             lose
             the
             benefit
             that
             the
             Law
             may
             give
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             All
             matters
             of
             Law
             are
             saved
             to
             you
             after
             you
             have
             pleaded
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             that
             were
             taken
             from
             me
             ▪
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             You
             must
             plead
             to
             the
             Court
             ,
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Shall
             I
             not
             have
             my
             Papers
             after
             I
             have
             pleaded
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             We
             will
             not
             capitulate
             with
             you
             .
             Move
             what
             you
             will
             then
             ,
             but
             till
             you
             have
             pleaded
             ,
             we
             can
             enter
             into
             no
             other
             business
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             but
             I
             might
             plead
             some
             other
             thing
             to
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Propose
             what
             you
             will
             ,
             if
             it
             be
             a
             matter
             in
             Law
             fit
             to
             be
             argued
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             Councel
             assigned
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             .
             If
             it
             were
             not
             my
             right
             to
             have
             them
             ,
             or
             to
             have
             Councel
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             ask
             it
             ;
             but
             if
             it
             be
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             lose
             what
             is
             my
             right
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             must
             plead
             first
             .
             I
             know
             not
             but
             he
             may
             be
             criminal
             that
             brought
             you
             those
             Papers
             :
             for
             we
             allow
             no
             Sollicitors
             in
             Cases
             of
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Some
             of
             those
             Papers
             were
             received
             from
             me
             in
             the
             Tower
             ,
             and
             were
             brought
             back
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             taken
             away
             but
             to
             day
             ,
             I
             desire
             they
             may
             be
             returned
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Those
             Papers
             tell
             me
             I
             have
             a
             Plea
             in
             Law
             ,
             but
             what
             it
             is
             ,
             I
             cannot
             directly
             tell
             without
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             L
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             must
             mention
             it
             and
             propose
             it
             ,
             and
             then
             we
             will
             do
             what
             is
             fitting
             for
             us
             to
             do
             in
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             not
             that
             method
             about
             me
             ,
             nor
             can
             I
             directly
             tell
             it
             without
             my
             Papers
             ;
             but
             't
             is
             something
             of
             Law
             about
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             are
             not
             bound
             up
             to
             forms
             of
             Law.
             For
             if
             you
             propose
             the
             matter
             never
             so
             loosely
             ,
             yet
             if
             it
             be
             a
             matter
             of
             avail
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             the
             Law
             is
             not
             clearly
             against
             you
             in
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             Councel
             ,
             and
             time
             to
             draw
             it
             up
             in
             form
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             propose
             the
             matter
             so
             regularly
             as
             if
             I
             had
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             are
             not
             bound
             to
             propose
             it
             in
             formality
             of
             Law
             ,
             my
             Lord
             tells
             you
             ,
             only
             let
             us
             know
             what
             it
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             have
             a
             priviledge
             in
             Law
             ,
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             give
             me
             the
             benefit
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             We
             will
             deny
             you
             nothing
             that
             the
             Law
             gives
             you
             ;
             but
             we
             cannot
             give
             you
             Councel
             It
             is
             not
             one
             particular
             Case
             ,
             but
             the
             Common
             Course
             of
             Justice
             is
             concerned
             .
             Without
             a
             matter
             of
             Law
             arises
             ,
             we
             cannot
             assign
             you
             Councel
             ;
             if
             we
             would
             ,
             we
             cannot
             in
             Justice
             till
             you
             have
             proposed
             the
             matter
             which
             the
             Court
             thinks
             fit
             to
             be
             argued
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             Coke
             sayes
             ,
             It
             is
             the
             birth-right
             of
             every
             English-man
             to
             have
             Councel
             in
             matters
             of
             Law
             ,
             and
             Lilburne
             had
             it
             upon
             solemn
             argument
             in
             his
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             times
             were
             those
             ?
             That
             was
             before
             the
             High
             Court
             of
             Justice
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             If
             there
             be
             matter
             in
             Law
             ,
             it
             must
             be
             proposed
             to
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             they
             are
             to
             judge
             ,
             whether
             it
             be
             a
             point
             fit
             to
             be
             argued
             ,
             and
             then
             Councel
             is
             to
             be
             assigned
             you
             ,
             and
             not
             till
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             but
             there
             may
             be
             somewhat
             in
             Law
             for
             me
             to
             plead
             to
             this
             Indictment
             ,
             till
             I
             have
             my
             Papers
             I
             can't
             tell
             what
             it
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             We
             know
             nothing
             of
             your
             Papers
             what
             they
             are
             ,
             you
             must
             answer
             whether
             you
             be
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             had
             my
             Papers
             ,
             I
             would
             answer
             to
             it
             immediately
             ;
             but
             I
             hope
             I
             shall
             not
             be
             murdered
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Have
             a
             care
             of
             aspersing
             the
             Court.
             Pray
             who
             intends
             to
             murder
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             I
             remember
             in
             Lilburne's
             Tryal
             ,
             that
             he
             speaks
             of
             ,
             such
             words
             ,
             were
             used
             indeed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             hope
             I
             shall
             not
             be
             deny'd
             what
             is
             necessary
             for
             my
             defence
             .
             This
             design
             is
             not
             only
             against
             me
             ,
             but
             against
             all
             the
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             How
             long
             have
             you
             been
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Ever
             since
             I
             knew
             what
             Religion
             was
             Sir
             ;
             I
             never
             was
             any
             thing
             else
             .
             For
             Gods
             sake
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             the
             Justice
             of
             the
             Nation
             ,
             and
             what
             by
             Law
             an
             English-man
             ought
             to
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             must
             plead
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             you
             must
             shew
             some
             matter
             that
             you
             will
             plead
             ,
             that
             is
             proper
             for
             us
             to
             assign
             you
             Councel
             .
             If
             we
             should
             record
             your
             refusal
             ,
             you
             would
             be
             judged
             to
             stand
             Mute
             ,
             and
             Sentence
             would
             pass
             upon
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             have
             a
             Priviledge
             in
             Law
             as
             an
             English-man
             ,
             I
             will
             not
             forfeit
             it
             ,
             if
             I
             can
             help
             it
             ,
             for
             any
             thing
             in
             the
             world
             .
             Therefore
             I
             desire
             I
             may
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             see
             if
             I
             can
             plead
             any
             thing
             in
             Law
             ;
             for
             if
             I
             have
             a
             Priviledge
             by
             the
             Law
             ,
             before
             I
             will
             forfeit
             it
             ,
             you
             shall
             do
             what
             you
             please
             with
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             'l
             have
             the
             advantage
             of
             all
             that
             matter
             that
             is
             in
             your
             Papers
             after
             you
             have
             pleaded
             ,
             if
             there
             be
             any
             advantage
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             order
             me
             my
             Papers
             that
             were
             taken
             away
             from
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             not
             taken
             away
             by
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             taken
             away
             by
             the
             Keeper
             ,
             under
             pretence
             to
             bring
             them
             to
             your
             Lordship
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             how
             you
             came
             by
             them
             .
             There
             came
             one
             to
             me
             last
             night
             that
             is
             a
             Common
             Sollicitor
             ,
             one
             
               Aaron
               Smith
            
             ,
             and
             desired
             he
             might
             have
             liberty
             to
             go
             and
             speak
             with
             the
             Prisoner
             .
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             understand
             till
             he
             were
             assigned
             by
             the
             Court
             ,
             that
             any
             could
             justifie
             Solliciting
             for
             a
             man
             that
             is
             accused
             of
             High
             Treason
             ,
             nor
             could
             any
             be
             of
             Councel
             till
             they
             were
             assigned
             :
             for
             a
             defence
             against
             Treason
             ought
             to
             be
             by
             plain
             matters
             of
             Proof
             and
             Fact
             ,
             and
             not
             by
             Artificial
             Cavils
             .
             But
             if
             you
             will
             propose
             any
             thing
             of
             substance
             as
             a
             matter
             in
             Law
             which
             the
             Court
             shall
             think
             fit
             to
             be
             argued
             ,
             propose
             it
             ,
             and
             then
             we
             will
             assign
             you
             Councel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Is
             it
             not
             my
             right
             ,
             that
             I
             ought
             to
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Jury
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             for
             that
             now
             ,
             you
             cited
             the
             Opinion
             of
             the
             Judges
             of
             the
             
               Kings
               Bench.
            
             My
             Brothers
             two
             of
             them
             that
             are
             here
             who
             are
             Judges
             in
             that
             Court
             ,
             say
             ,
             they
             know
             nothing
             of
             any
             such
             matter
             :
             but
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             you
             have
             Liberty
             by
             Law
             to
             challenge
             35.
             by
             your
             sight
             peremptorily
             without
             shewing
             Cause
             .
             They
             are
             bound
             to
             look
             upon
             you
             when
             they
             come
             to
             be
             sworn
             ,
             and
             if
             you
             have
             any
             just
             Cause
             ,
             you
             may
             except
             against
             as
             many
             more
             as
             you
             will.
             But
             now
             we
             that
             proceed
             upon
             a
             Commission
             of
             Gaol-delivery
             ,
             are
             to
             proceed
             with
             expedition
             ;
             there
             are
             no
             particular
             men
             designed
             for
             a
             Jury
             that
             I
             know
             of
             .
             But
             when
             you
             have
             pleaded
             ,
             we
             shall
             award
             the
             Sheriff
             to
             impannel
             a
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             the
             Law
             allows
             me
             the
             Liberty
             of
             Challenging
             ,
             it
             does
             intend
             it
             me
             that
             I
             may
             challenge
             those
             persons
             that
             I
             think
             will
             do
             me
             no
             Justice
             ,
             but
             where
             they
             are
             strangers
             unto
             me
             ,
             if
             I
             can
             have
             no
             Information
             about
             any
             of
             them
             by
             my
             own
             Inquiry
             or
             my
             friends
             ,
             I
             may
             challenge
             my
             friends
             as
             well
             as
             my
             foes
             :
             and
             should
             there
             be
             any
             person
             that
             has
             a
             prejudice
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             not
             know
             it
             ,
             he
             may
             chance
             to
             be
             one
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             I
             hope
             they
             will
             be
             neither
             friends
             nor
             foes
             ,
             but
             true
             men
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             that
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             This
             that
             you
             say
             as
             to
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Jury
             is
             unseasonable
             .
             There
             is
             no
             Jury
             ,
             nor
             can
             be
             awarded
             till
             you
             have
             pleaded
             .
             There
             must
             be
             first
             Issue
             joyned
             ;
             and
             that
             cannot
             be
             but
             upon
             your
             Plea
             of
             Not
             Guilty
             .
             Therefore
             you
             must
             plead
             first
             ,
             and
             then
             say
             all
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             or
             not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             may
             not
             I
             have
             a
             Pannel
             of
             the
             Jury
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             no
             such
             thing
             in
             being
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             what
             to
             say
             to
             it
             ;
             pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             You
             have
             heard
             the
             Opinion
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             you
             must
             first
             plead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             plead
             first
             .
             I
             must
             lose
             my
             life
             if
             I
             must
             ;
             I
             neither
             know
             who
             accuses
             me
             ,
             nor
             what
             it
             is
             they
             accuse
             me
             of
             :
             't
             is
             impossible
             I
             should
             defend
             my self
             ,
             if
             I
             have
             not
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             We
             know
             not
             what
             Papers
             you
             mean.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             The
             Gaoler
             took
             them
             from
             me
             ,
             and
             one
             of
             the
             Kings
             Messengers
             .
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             will
             you
             order
             them
             to
             be
             returned
             to
             me
             again
             :
             Let
             me
             but
             see
             whether
             I
             have
             any
             right
             or
             no
             ,
             and
             whether
             I
             have
             any
             thing
             to
             plead
             or
             no
             :
             When
             I
             have
             perused
             my
             Papers
             ,
             I
             will
             propose
             it
             as
             well
             as
             I
             can
             to
             you
             .
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             a
             fair
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             We
             promised
             you
             a
             fair
             Tryal
             ,
             but
             you
             must
             put
             your self
             upon
             that
             Tryal
             by
             your
             pleading
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             do
             that
             without
             my
             Papers
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             Let
             me
             but
             have
             them
             again
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             not
             delay
             your
             time
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             can
             tell
             whether
             you
             are
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             can't
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             have
             a
             Plea
             in
             Law
             against
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             not
             hinder
             me
             of
             that
             which
             is
             my
             right
             .
             It
             is
             possible
             the
             Indictment
             does
             not
             lay
             it
             right
             ,
             either
             as
             to
             the
             matter
             of
             Treason
             ,
             or
             as
             to
             the
             place
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             upon
             the
             Issue
             of
             Not
             Guilty
             upon
             your
             Tryal
             .
             If
             there
             be
             not
             matter
             of
             fact
             ,
             or
             words
             proved
             that
             are
             Treason
             in
             this
             place
             ,
             you
             will
             have
             the
             advantage
             of
             it
             upon
             your
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             but
             that
             the
             Indictment
             does
             mention
             something
             of
             Treason
             ,
             and
             something
             of
             Misdemeanour
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             That
             which
             is
             Misdemeanour
             ,
             won't
             amount
             to
             a
             proof
             of
             the
             Treason
             upon
             the
             〈◊〉
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             If
             they
             prove
             no
             Treason
             against
             you
             here
             ,
             but
             only
             Misdemeanour
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             understand
             that
             the
             Jury
             can
             find
             you
             Guilty
             of
             that
             Misdemeanour
             ,
             for
             't
             is
             another
             Crime
             ,
             and
             there
             is
             another
             sort
             of
             proceedings
             for
             it
             .
             In
             Misdemeanour
             ,
             there
             are
             no
             peremptory
             Challenges
             ;
             in
             Misdemeanour
             Councel
             is
             to
             be
             allowed
             for
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             but
             not
             in
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             be
             pleased
             to
             order
             me
             my
             Papers
             again
             :
             I
             know
             not
             what
             to
             say
             without
             I
             have
             the
             assistance
             of
             my
             Papers
             :
             when
             I
             have
             them
             ,
             I
             shall
             be
             ready
             to
             plead
             presently
             according
             as
             I
             shall
             find
             I
             may
             by
             Law.
             This
             I
             am
             sure
             ,
             I
             have
             done
             nothing
             ,
             nor
             said
             nothing
             of
             Treason
             ,
             and
             I
             pray
             for
             nothing
             but
             Justice
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             is
             my
             right
             .
             This
             is
             a
             most
             horrid
             Conspiracy
             to
             take
             away
             my
             life
             ;
             and
             it
             will
             not
             stop
             here
             ,
             for
             it
             is
             against
             all
             the
             Protestants
             in
             England
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             you
             do
             not
             only
             trifle
             ,
             but
             run
             out
             into
             very
             great
             Extravagancies
             .
             Who
             has
             any
             Conspiracy
             against
             your
             life
             ?
             You
             shall
             be
             allowed
             to
             give
             in
             Evidence
             any
             thing
             of
             any
             Conspiracy
             against
             you
             ,
             or
             Contrivance
             against
             you
             when
             you
             are
             upon
             your
             Tryal
             .
             Now
             the
             Question
             is
             ,
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ?
             I
             see
             no
             use
             of
             Papers
             that
             you
             can
             have
             as
             to
             the
             Plea.
             
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             will
             run
             into
             Danger
             by
             spending
             of
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             Order
             me
             my
             Papers
             ,
             they
             are
             in
             the
             Hands
             of
             Mr.
             Murrell
             the
             Goaler
             ,
             and
             Sewell
             the
             Kings
             Messenger
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             When
             you
             have
             Pleaded
             ,
             we
             will
             take
             it
             into
             Consideration
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             it
             may
             be
             too
             late
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             a
             plain
             matter
             before
             you
             ,
             whether
             you
             be
             Guilty
             or
             no.
             You
             know
             what
             to
             Answer
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             will
             give
             a
             direct
             Answer
             ,
             after
             I
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             can
             give
             an
             Answer
             to
             that
             ,
             without
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Consult
             with
             your
             own
             Heart
             ,
             and
             there
             you
             may
             receive
             an
             Answer
             to
             that
             Question
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             College
             ;
             can
             any
             body
             tell
             whether
             you
             be
             Guilty
             or
             no
             ,
             better
             then
             your self
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             expect
             any
             Papers
             ,
             they
             ought
             to
             be
             framed
             by
             your self
             ;
             for
             by
             Law
             ,
             none
             can
             advise
             you
             what
             to
             Plead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             don't
             expect
             it
             in
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             but
             if
             matter
             of
             Law
             arise
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             this
             is
             a
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             and
             therefore
             you
             may
             Plead
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             as
             well
             without
             your
             Papers
             ,
             as
             if
             you
             had
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             if
             there
             be
             any
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             that
             I
             ought
             to
             have
             the
             Advantage
             of
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Then
             you
             ought
             to
             have
             no
             Advice
             ,
             till
             they
             be
             assigned
             by
             the
             Court
             :
             For
             by
             the
             Law
             ,
             neither
             Counsel
             nor
             Advice
             are
             allowable
             to
             you
             ,
             till
             the
             matter
             has
             been
             proposed
             ,
             and
             the
             Court
             think
             fit
             to
             assign
             you
             Counsel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             You
             talk
             of
             the
             Priviledge
             of
             an
             English
             man
             ;
             you
             have
             all
             the
             Priviledges
             of
             an
             English
             man
             :
             You
             are
             here
             brought
             to
             an
             open
             Tryal
             ,
             according
             to
             the
             Law
             ,
             and
             by
             that
             Law
             you
             must
             Plead
             .
             Now
             if
             a
             Man
             be
             Indicted
             for
             High
             Treason
             ,
             he
             is
             bound
             to
             Plead
             either
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             unless
             he
             has
             a
             matter
             in
             Law
             to
             excuse
             him
             from
             that
             Plea
             ,
             which
             must
             be
             proposed
             to
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             then
             Counsel
             will
             be
             assigned
             ,
             and
             if
             so
             be
             matter
             of
             Law
             arises
             upon
             any
             Evidence
             that
             is
             given
             against
             you
             at
             the
             Tryal
             ,
             you
             may
             demurre
             upon
             that
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             pray
             Counsel
             of
             the
             Court
             to
             argue
             that
             demurrer
             ,
             and
             they
             will
             not
             deny
             you
             ,
             but
             I
             think
             you
             must
             Plead
             presently
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             suppose
             other
             Persons
             that
             have
             been
             tried
             ,
             have
             had
             Counsel
             before
             they
             have
             Pleaded
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             never
             before
             the
             Matter
             was
             proposed
             to
             the
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             so
             in
             the
             Case
             of
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             .
             The
             Court
             made
             him
             propose
             his
             matters
             in
             Law
             ,
             and
             so
             it
             was
             in
             Lilburne's
             Case
             .
             He
             did
             insist
             upon
             a
             great
             many
             matters
             in
             Law
             ,
             and
             had
             the
             Books
             there
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             wholly
             Ignorant
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Your
             Lordships
             are
             the
             Judges
             of
             Law
             in
             this
             Case
             .
             The
             Question
             here
             in
             short
             ,
             is
             whether
             the
             Prisoner
             be
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             and
             that
             being
             demanded
             of
             him
             by
             the
             Court
             ,
             if
             he
             refuses
             ,
             let
             him
             take
             the
             Consequence
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             that
             ,
             pray
             Sr.
             George
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Judgment
             of
             High
             Treason
             .
             For
             if
             a
             Person
             stand
             mute
             ,
             and
             will
             not
             Plead
             to
             an
             Indictment
             of
             High
             Treason
             ,
             the
             common
             Judgment
             of
             Pressing
             to
             Death
             must
             not
             pass
             upon
             him
             ,
             but
             an
             Attainder
             of
             High
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Well
             if
             it
             be
             so
             ,
             I
             cannot
             help
             it
             .
             I
             thank
             God
             I
             am
             Innocent
             of
             any
             Treason
             ,
             or
             any
             such
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Why
             don't
             you
             Plead
             ,
             Not
             Guilty
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             refuse
             to
             Plead
             ,
             I
             am
             willing
             to
             Plead
             with
             all
             my
             Heart
             ,
             if
             I
             may
             have
             my
             Right
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             J.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             do
             not
             Plead
             ,
             you
             do
             refuse
             to
             Plead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             give
             the
             Court
             an
             Account
             ,
             where
             had
             you
             those
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             we
             will
             not
             enter
             into
             any
             Examination
             of
             that
             matter
             now
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ;
             he
             can
             have
             no
             use
             of
             Papers
             to
             see
             whether
             he
             should
             Plead
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jef.
             
          
           
             We
             know
             nothing
             of
             those
             Papers
             ,
             we
             desire
             he
             may
             answer
             to
             the
             Question
             shortly
             whether
             he
             be
             guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             if
             not
             ,
             we
             pray
             your
             Lordships
             judgment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             had
             them
             not
             all
             from
             one
             Person
             ,
             they
             were
             received
             from
             my
             own
             
             hands
             some
             of
             them
             in
             the
             Tower
             ,
             and
             being
             brought
             back
             to
             me
             they
             were
             taken
             from
             me
             to
             day
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             but
             one
             of
             them
             :
             the
             Paper
             of
             Instructions
             in
             point
             of
             Law
             that
             I
             may
             know
             what
             is
             my
             right
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             throw
             away
             my
             Life
             ,
             if
             I
             have
             any
             thing
             that
             is
             my
             right
             that
             can
             preserve
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             are
             to
             give
             a
             plain
             Answer
             ,
             whether
             you
             are
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             now
             for
             that
             you
             have
             no
             use
             of
             Papers
             :
             For
             you
             can
             best
             tell
             whether
             you
             be
             guilty
             or
             not
             .
             If
             you
             can
             propose
             any
             matter
             of
             Law
             that
             you
             can
             have
             to
             plead
             ,
             do
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             have
             any
             Plea
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             Plead
             besides
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             I
             desire
             I
             may
             have
             my
             Papers
             to
             consider
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             may
             have
             Counsel
             assigned
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             have
             any
             such
             Plea
             ,
             tell
             us
             the
             Matter
             and
             the
             Substance
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             know
             what
             really
             are
             matters
             of
             Law
             ,
             if
             I
             had
             those
             Instructions
             that
             are
             in
             my
             Papers
             ,
             I
             could
             give
             you
             a
             direct
             Answer
             presently
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             ought
             not
             to
             have
             any
             advice
             to
             decline
             your
             Tryal
             :
             When
             you
             propose
             matter
             of
             Law
             your self
             ,
             you
             may
             have
             advice
             upon
             it
             .
             But
             you
             ought
             not
             to
             have
             advice
             to
             decline
             your
             Tryal
             before-hand
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             pray
             let
             me
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Apply
             your self
             to
             the
             Court
             for
             it
             ,
             we
             must
             receive
             our
             Directions
             from
             thence
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             have
             had
             the
             Opinion
             of
             the
             Court
             you
             can't
             have
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             been
             told
             nothing
             can
             be
             received
             from
             you
             ,
             but
             a
             Plea
             of
             Guilty
             or
             not
             Guilty
             ,
             and
             the
             Court
             have
             given
             you
             their
             Opinion
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             cannot
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             nor
             Counsel
             assigned
             you
             ,
             till
             you
             offer
             something
             for
             them
             to
             be
             assigned
             upon
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             And
             that
             was
             it
             which
             was
             done
             in
             the
             King's
             Bench
             in
             the
             Case
             of
             
               Fitz
               Harris
            
             which
             I
             suppose
             you
             meant
             when
             you
             spake
             of
             the
             Judges
             Opinions
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             was
             done
             there
             till
             he
             himself
             assigned
             the
             matter
             in
             Law
             that
             he
             would
             Plead
             ,
             and
             then
             Counsel
             was
             assigned
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             was
             in
             the
             Court
             at
             that
             time
             ,
             and
             can
             tell
             what
             was
             done
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             desire
             the
             Indictment
             read
             over
             again
             Distinctly
             that
             you
             may
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Ay
             ,
             with
             all
             my
             heart
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             let
             me
             hear
             it
             again
             my
             Lord
             if
             you
             please
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Read
             it
             over
             again
             to
             him
             ,
             and
             read
             it
             Distinctly
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Thou
             art
             indicted
             by
             the
             name
             of
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             late
             of
             Oxon
             in
             the
             County
             of
             Oxon
             Carpenter
             ,
             as
             a
             false
             Traytor
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             observed
             one
             thing
             already
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             pray
             I
             may
             have
             Pen
             and
             Ink.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Ay
             give
             him
             Pen
             and
             Ink
             ,
             let
             him
             make
             what
             Observations
             he
             can
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Clerk
             read
             the
             Indictment
             through
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr
          
           
             Art
             thou
             Guilty
             of
             this
             high
             Treason
             or
             not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             This
             Indictment
             ,
             If
             I
             understand
             it
             ,
             says
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             Plot
             and
             Conspiracy
             by
             me
             and
             others
             ,
             now
             I
             know
             when
             my
             
               Lord
               Stafford
            
             was
             tryed
             they
             did
             proceed
             to
             prove
             ,
             first
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             such
             a
             Plot
             ,
             and
             then
             that
             my
             Lord
             was
             Guilty
             of
             it
             ;
             first
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             such
             a
             Conspiracy
             by
             the
             Papists
             ,
             is
             it
             not
             requisite
             they
             should
             ,
             first
             ,
             prove
             such
             a
             Plot
             and
             Conspiracy
             there
             was
             ,
             before
             they
             go
             to
             prove
             me
             Guilty
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             before
             you
             have
             pleaded
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             When
             you
             have
             pleaded
             the
             next
             thing
             is
             to
             try
             you
             ,
             and
             to
             give
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             but
             what
             way
             the
             Kings
             Councel
             will
             take
             to
             mannage
             your
             Tryal
             ,
             that
             we
             can't
             tell
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             they
             are
             not
             to
             be
             directed
             by
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             so
             done
             I
             say
             in
             my
             Stafford's
             Case
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             pleaded
             first
             however
             ,
             you
             have
             not
             yet
             pleaded
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             or
             not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Do
             not
             trifle
             any
             longer
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             Plain
             matter
             and
             requires
             a
             very
             short
             and
             Plain
             Answer
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Your
             Lordships
             are
             my
             Counsel
             as
             well
             as
             my
             Judges
             ,
             and
             I
             do
             desire
             if
             I
             have
             any
             right
             to
             plead
             any
             other
             matter
             ,
             you
             will
             be
             pleased
             to
             declare
             it
             to
             me
             ,
             
             for
             I
             am
             ignorant
             in
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             We
             have
             declared
             our
             Opinion
             already
             ,
             that
             you
             have
             no
             right
             to
             have
             any
             Solicitor
             or
             Counsel
             ,
             till
             matter
             of
             Law
             do
             a●ise
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Is
             it
             your
             Lordships
             Opinion
             ,
             that
             I
             have
             no
             Plea
             in
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             no
             Plea
             in
             Law
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             would
             have
             our
             Judgment
             ,
             whether
             there
             be
             any
             or
             no.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             your self
             know
             best
             ,
             we
             know
             nothing
             you
             have
             to
             Plead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             unless
             I
             have
             Counsel
             ,
             and
             my
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             There
             does
             nothing
             appear
             to
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Then
             Plead
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             that
             is
             a
             ready
             Plea.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             heard
             our
             Opinion
             over
             and
             over
             again
             .
             You
             have
             as
             much
             Counsel
             as
             is
             allowed
             in
             these
             Cases
             ,
             for
             every
             man
             is
             best
             Judge
             of
             his
             own
             Case
             ,
             what
             to
             Plead
             ,
             whether
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ;
             you
             have
             had
             as
             fair
             Play
             as
             ever
             any
             man
             had
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             has
             said
             ,
             he
             knows
             of
             no
             Plea
             in
             Law
             he
             has
             ,
             and
             therefore
             there
             is
             none
             ,
             for
             
               de
               non
               Apparentibus
               ,
               &
               non
               Existentibus
               ,
            
             the
             Reason
             is
             the
             same
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             In
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             Plea
             but
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             The
             Court
             are
             Judges
             in
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             and
             they
             are
             my
             Counsel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             the
             Court
             have
             all
             of
             them
             declared
             they
             know
             of
             nothing
             in
             Law
             that
             you
             have
             to
             Plead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Is
             not
             Counsel
             to
             be
             allowed
             to
             one
             under
             my
             Circumstances
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             have
             any
             thing
             for
             Counsel
             to
             be
             assigned
             upon
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             am
             Ignorant
             of
             that
             ,
             and
             cannot
             Propose
             it
             ,
             shall
             I
             not
             have
             the
             Assistance
             of
             Counsel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             we
             have
             told
             you
             the
             Law
             Plainly
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             is
             frequent
             in
             Practise
             in
             like
             Cases
             ,
             and
             you
             must
             be
             contented
             with
             the
             same
             Measure
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             Ignorant
             of
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Then
             rely
             upon
             the
             fact
             and
             plead
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             if
             I
             have
             a
             right
             to
             any
             point
             in
             Law
             let
             me
             have
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             a
             right
             if
             you
             will
             propose
             any
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             but
             we
             cannot
             propose
             it
             for
             you
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             no
             man
             ought
             to
             propose
             your
             Plea
             for
             you
             ,
             
               Ignorantia
               juris
               non
               excusat
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Shall
             my
             Ignorance
             destroy
             me
             ,
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             have
             heard
             the
             Opinion
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             you
             have
             a
             right
             to
             propose
             any
             other
             Plea
             that
             you
             can
             your self
             ,
             but
             you
             have
             no
             right
             to
             ask
             Counsel
             before
             you
             have
             pleaded
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             If
             Mr.
             Colledge
             have
             such
             a
             thing
             as
             a
             Solicitor
             ,
             I
             shall
             crave
             leave
             to
             put
             that
             Solicitor
             in
             mind
             of
             the
             Case
             of
             one
             that
             was
             indicted
             of
             High
             Treason
             for
             Soliciting
             for
             one
             that
             was
             accused
             of
             High-Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             shall
             talk
             of
             that
             by
             and
             by
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             The
             same
             methods
             are
             used
             in
             your
             Case
             ,
             as
             are
             in
             all
             Cases
             of
             the
             like
             nature
             ,
             as
             far
             as
             my
             knowledge
             reacheth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             have
             a
             right
             to
             the
             Law
             I
             must
             not
             lose
             it
             for
             my
             own
             Ignorance
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             but
             if
             you
             deny
             me
             both
             my
             Counsel
             and
             my
             Papers
             ,
             you
             take
             away
             the
             means
             of
             my
             coming
             to
             that
             right
             ,
             and
             make
             me
             uncapable
             of
             making
             my
             defence
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             have
             been
             told
             you
             must
             plead
             before
             you
             do
             any
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             the
             Person
             ,
             (
             pointing
             to
             a
             Person
             by
             him
             )
             that
             had
             the
             Papers
             .
             Be
             pleased
             to
             command
             him
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             have
             them
             again
             ;
             He
             said
             he
             had
             Order
             to
             take
             them
             from
             me
             ,
             and
             bring
             them
             to
             your
             Lordship
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             know
             of
             no
             use
             you
             could
             have
             of
             any
             Papers
             ,
             to
             Plead
             Guilty
             or
             not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             If
             there
             be
             in
             those
             Papers
             Advice
             in
             matters
             of
             Law
             ,
             that
             you
             have
             been
             told
             you
             ought
             not
             to
             have
             ,
             till
             the
             Court
             has
             Assigned
             you
             Counsel
             to
             give
             you
             Advice
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             if
             there
             be
             a
             Right
             in
             Law
             ,
             and
             a
             Priviledg
             which
             I
             ought
             to
             have
             ▪
             I
             must
             lose
             it
             by
             my
             being
             Ignorant
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             have
             no
             one
             to
             Advise
             me
             about
             it
             neither
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             may
             propose
             it
             ,
             if
             you
             have
             any
             ,
             if
             not
             you
             must
             Plead
             to
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             it
             has
             not
             been
             usual
             for
             us
             ,
             that
             are
             of
             the
             Kings
             Counsel
             ,
             to
             enter
             into
             Dialogues
             with
             Prisoners
             at
             the
             Bar.
             The
             first
             thing
             that
             is
             to
             be
             done
             in
             such
             Cases
             ,
             is
             for
             the
             Prisoner
             to
             Plead
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             to
             offer
             something
             to
             the
             Court
             that
             may
             be
             a
             matter
             in
             Law
             fit
             to
             be
             debated
             ;
             and
             this
             we
             pray
             may
             be
             done
             in
             this
             Case
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Prisoner
             may
             Plead
             presently
             ,
             or
             else
             we
             desire
             your
             Judgment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             go
             in
             a
             Circle
             ,
             and
             run
             round
             from
             one
             thing
             to
             another
             ,
             and
             will
             receive
             no
             Answer
             .
             We
             have
             told
             you
             our
             Opinion
             ,
             and
             we
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             that
             tho
             you
             hold
             long
             Discourses
             ,
             yet
             you
             will
             be
             Judged
             lost
             and
             mute
             if
             you
             Plead
             not
             a
             Legal
             Plea.
             Therefore
             you
             must
             Plead
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             offer
             something
             that
             may
             be
             a
             Plea
             in
             Law
             ,
             and
             then
             you
             shall
             have
             the
             Assistance
             of
             Counsel
             ,
             but
             you
             must
             have
             none
             till
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             shall
             I
             not
             have
             my
             Papers
             my
             Lord
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             know
             nothing
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             order
             the
             man
             to
             give
             them
             to
             me
             ,
             that
             took
             them
             from
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             will
             order
             no
             such
             thing
             .
             He
             may
             be
             a
             Criminal
             perhaps
             that
             did
             give
             them
             you
             at
             first
             ,
             but
             when
             you
             have
             pleaded
             we
             will
             hear
             any
             Motion
             you
             will
             make
             about
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             may
             be
             I
             ought
             to
             plead
             that
             the
             words
             were
             spoke
             in
             another
             place
             ,
             then
             the
             place
             lay'd
             in
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             will
             not
             need
             to
             plead
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             for
             if
             there
             be
             nothing
             proved
             of
             Treason
             that
             you
             said
             or
             did
             in
             Oxford-shire
             you
             must
             be
             found
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Here
             is
             another
             thing
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             indicted
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Colledge
             Carpenter
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             then
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             not
             a
             Carpenter
             ,
             but
             a
             Joyner
             ,
             Is
             that
             any
             Bar
             to
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             The
             addition
             signifies
             nothing
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             know
             any
             difference
             betwixt
             a
             Carpenter
             and
             a
             Joyner
             in
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             They
             might
             have
             indicted
             you
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Labourer
             and
             it
             had
             been
             good
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             either
             give
             me
             my
             Papers
             or
             assign
             me
             Counsel
             ,
             or
             else
             I
             may
             throw
             away
             my
             Life
             for
             I
             am
             wholly
             Ignorant
             of
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             When
             you
             have
             pleaded
             we
             will
             hear
             any
             Motion
             you
             will
             make
             and
             do
             that
             whch
             is
             just
             upon
             it
             :
             but
             I
             see
             no
             use
             you
             can
             have
             of
             Papers
             to
             plead
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             which
             is
             the
             only
             Question
             is
             asked
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             promise
             me
             my
             Lord
             ,
             there
             shall
             no
             Advantage
             be
             taken
             against
             me
             ,
             if
             I
             do
             Plead
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             will
             make
             no
             Bargains
             with
             you
             .
             Plead
             as
             you
             ought
             by
             Law
             to
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             matters
             of
             Law
             arise
             ,
             shall
             I
             have
             Counsel
             to
             speak
             to
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Yes
             you
             shall
             ,
             you
             need
             not
             doubt
             it
             .
             Propose
             any
             matter
             now
             fit
             to
             be
             argued
             ,
             and
             you
             shall
             have
             Counsel
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             not
             capable
             of
             doing
             it
             .
             I
             know
             not
             when
             I
             have
             any
             right
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             The
             Court
             is
             of
             Counsel
             to
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             are
             my
             Counsel
             ,
             then
             have
             I
             any
             Plea
             in
             Law
             to
             make
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             heard
             the
             Indictment
             Read
             ,
             what
             say
             you
             ?
             For
             you
             must
             propose
             the
             matter
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             know
             of
             none
             but
             Guilty
             ,
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             if
             you
             can
             tell
             of
             any
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             pray
             I
             may
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             ;
             if
             there
             be
             no
             other
             Plea
             for
             me
             ,
             pray
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             again
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             have
             heard
             the
             Opinion
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             you
             must
             Plead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Certainly
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             you
             can't
             be
             Guilty
             of
             these
             things
             ,
             you
             need
             not
             to
             scruple
             it
             ,
             to
             plead
             Not
             Guilty
             sure
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             having
             been
             kept
             a
             Prisoner
             ,
             as
             I
             have
             been
             ,
             without
             Pen
             ,
             Ink
             ,
             or
             Paper
             ,
             no
             Conversation
             with
             my
             Friends
             ,
             no
             Knowledg
             of
             the
             Fact
             ,
             and
             being
             
             Ignorant
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             not
             knowing
             where
             I
             have
             a
             right
             ,
             nor
             when
             I
             have
             a
             right
             ,
             if
             you
             do
             force
             me
             upon
             this
             Plea
             and
             it
             cost
             my
             me
             Life
             ,
             at
             your
             Doors
             lye
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             will
             lose
             your
             Life
             ,
             if
             you
             do
             not
             Plead
             ,
             if
             you
             plead
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             and
             are
             not
             proved
             Guilty
             you
             will
             save
             your
             Life
             by
             this
             Plea.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             willing
             to
             plead
             what
             the
             Law
             requires
             of
             me
             to
             Plead
             ,
             and
             if
             I
             have
             a
             right
             in
             Law
             I
             would
             not
             lose
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Guilty
             or
             Not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Why
             ,
             then
             as
             they
             have
             lay'd
             it
             in
             that
             Indictment
             in
             manner
             and
             form
             as
             't
             is
             there
             lay'd
             ,
             I
             am
             Not
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Culprit
             ,
             by
             whom
             wilt
             thou
             be
             tryed
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             By
             God
             ,
             and
             my
             Country
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             God
             send
             thee
             a
             good
             deliverance
             ,
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Not
             Guilty
             is
             his
             Plea
             ?
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             Now
             he
             has
             pleaded
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ;
             He
             speaks
             of
             some
             Papers
             ,
             if
             there
             be
             any
             Memorandums
             or
             any
             thing
             that
             must
             assist
             him
             ,
             that
             is
             necessary
             for
             his
             defence
             in
             his
             Tryal
             in
             those
             Papers
             ;
             it
             will
             be
             hard
             to
             deny
             him
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             If
             your
             Lordships
             please
             to
             give
             me
             leave
             ,
             I
             will
             give
             you
             an
             account
             of
             them
             .
             The
             messenger
             just
             now
             ,
             did
             deliver
             these
             Papers
             to
             be
             delivered
             to
             the
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             speak
             out
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             and
             let
             me
             hear
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             When
             he
             came
             to
             Prison
             he
             had
             none
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             
               Aaron
               Smith
            
             ,
             the
             Messenger
             informed
             me
             ,
             did
             deliver
             them
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             Whose
             hand-writing
             are
             the
             Papers
             in
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             received
             them
             from
             me
             in
             the
             Tower.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             received
             them
             from
             him
             first
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             were
             the
             Papers
             you
             delivered
             to
             him
             in
             the
             Tower
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             The
             three
             pieces
             joyned
             together
             that
             contains
             Directions
             how
             to
             Govern
             my self
             ,
             there
             is
             another
             of
             the
             same
             purpose
             which
             instructs
             me
             to
             demand
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             pannel
             of
             the
             Jury
             ,
             and
             those
             were
             Instructions
             to
             tell
             me
             what
             the
             Law
             allows
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Here
             is
             a
             Speech
             made
             for
             you
             that
             begins
             thus
             .
             
               Before
               you
               Plead
               ,
               speak
               to
               this
               Purpose
               .
            
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             I
             desire
             that
             may
             be
             Examined
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Smith
             may
             be
             called
             to
             give
             an
             Account
             how
             he
             came
             to
             give
             the
             Prisoner
             those
             Papers
             ;
             for
             here
             are
             abundance
             of
             Niceties
             proposed
             for
             him
             to
             move
             ,
             and
             there
             will
             be
             a
             strange
             sort
             of
             Proceedings
             at
             this
             rate
             ,
             if
             men
             go
             about
             to
             espouse
             the
             Cause
             of
             Traytors
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             noe
             Traytor
             ,
             Mr.
             Attorney
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             stand
             indicted
             of
             High-Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             by
             a
             Grand
             Jury
             made
             up
             that
             Morning
             ,
             as
             I
             am
             Informed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Here
             is
             a
             List
             of
             the
             Names
             of
             several
             men
             ,
             of
             the
             Country
             returned
             to
             be
             of
             the
             Jury
             ▪
             and
             particular
             marks
             set
             upon
             them
             ,
             who
             are
             good
             men
             ,
             and
             who
             bad
             men
             ,
             and
             who
             moderate
             men
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Ought
             I
             not
             to
             have
             that
             Paper
             my
             Lord
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             No
             I
             hope
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Whether
             they
             are
             Material
             or
             not
             Material
             ,
             If
             we
             should
             judge
             them
             not
             Material
             for
             his
             defence
             ,
             yet
             it
             will
             look
             like
             an
             hard
             point
             upon
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             and
             to
             deliver
             them
             into
             an
             hand
             that
             they
             may
             be
             carried
             away
             or
             stifled
             ,
             in
             Case
             there
             were
             a
             Crime
             in
             the
             delivering
             of
             them
             that
             would
             not
             do
             well
             on
             the
             other
             side
             :
             Therefore
             I
             would
             have
             these
             Papers
             put
             into
             some
             safe
             hands
             ,
             that
             what
             may
             be
             for
             the
             Prisoners
             use
             he
             may
             not
             want
             ,
             and
             yet
             they
             may
             not
             be
             taken
             away
             ,
             if
             there
             be
             occasion
             to
             use
             them
             upon
             another
             Account
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             if
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             I
             desire
             you
             would
             enter
             into
             the
             Examination
             of
             this
             Matter
             ;
             for
             I
             have
             an
             Account
             from
             London
             by
             a
             special
             Messenger
             that
             there
             are
             several
             Persons
             that
             go
             up
             and
             down
             to
             procure
             Witnesses
             against
             the
             Kings
             Evidence
             ,
             making
             it
             a
             publick
             Cause
             ;
             and
             here
             my
             Lord
             ,
             another
             Paper
             which
             is
             a
             List
             of
             men
             as
             Witnesses
             picked
             up
             together
             against
             the
             King's
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             must
             have
             that
             ,
             deliver
             him
             that
             presently
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             my
             Lord
             others
             have
             gone
             about
             and
             framed
             Witnesses
             for
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             must
             give
             him
             the
             List
             of
             his
             Witnesses
             ,
             for
             I
             see
             not
             what
             use
             you
             can
             make
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             This
             no
             man
             will
             oppose
             sure
             ,
             if
             any
             thing
             that
             is
             delivered
             to
             him
             be
             fit
             to
             be
             delivered
             ,
             the
             Person
             that
             delivers
             it
             must
             come
             and
             own
             it
             ;
             but
             before
             any
             Person
             delivers
             any
             Papers
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             for
             him
             to
             make
             use
             of
             against
             the
             Kings
             Evidence
             ,
             we
             desire
             to
             know
             what
             those
             Papers
             mean
             ,
             and
             who
             gave
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Look
             you
             Brother
             ,
             we
             will
             have
             nothing
             of
             heat
             till
             the
             Tryal
             be
             over
             ,
             when
             that
             is
             over
             if
             there
             be
             any
             thing
             that
             requires
             our
             Examination
             it
             will
             be
             Proper
             for
             us
             to
             enter
             into
             the
             Consideration
             of
             it
             .
             But
             in
             the
             mean
             while
             what
             hurt
             is
             there
             ,
             If
             the
             Papers
             be
             put
             into
             some
             trusty
             hands
             ,
             that
             the
             Prisoner
             may
             make
             the
             best
             use
             of
             them
             he
             can
             ,
             and
             yet
             they
             remain
             ready
             to
             be
             produced
             upon
             occasion
             ,
             if
             a
             man
             be
             speaking
             for
             his
             Life
             tho
             he
             speak
             that
             which
             is
             not
             material
             ,
             or
             nothing
             to
             the
             purpose
             that
             will
             be
             no
             harm
             to
             permit
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             With
             Submission
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             is
             assigning
             him
             Counsel
             with
             a
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             If
             people
             are
             permitted
             to
             go
             up
             and
             down
             and
             ask
             Counsel
             of
             Persons
             and
             bring
             it
             in
             Papers
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             't
             is
             the
             same
             thing
             as
             if
             Counsel
             came
             to
             him
             .
             Here
             is
             a
             busie
             Solicitor
             and
             he
             gets
             advice
             from
             Counsel
             and
             then
             he
             delivers
             it
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             't
             is
             the
             first
             of
             the
             kind
             certainly
             that
             ever
             was
             allowed
             ;
             and
             if
             this
             be
             not
             to
             assign
             him
             Counsel
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             what
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             think
             you
             of
             our
             perusing
             the
             Papers
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             With
             all
             my
             heart
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             take
             away
             all
             helps
             from
             me
             ,
             you
             had
             as
             good
             Condemn
             me
             without
             a
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             ought
             not
             to
             have
             helps
             to
             Plead
             dilatories
             .
          
        
         
           
             College
             .
          
           
             Not
             to
             help
             me
             to
             my
             right
             in
             Law
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             are
             to
             go
             upon
             the
             Fact
             now
             :
             And
             my
             Lord
             I
             pray
             your
             Judgment
             about
             them
             ,
             when
             you
             have
             perused
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Judges
             looked
             upon
             that
             Paper
             that
             was
             called
             the
             Speech
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             We
             have
             read
             enough
             of
             this
             to
             suppress
             it
             ,
             and
             to
             examine
             it
             how
             this
             came
             to
             his
             hands
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             
               Aaron
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             here
             is
             another
             that
             is
             worse
             then
             that
             ,
             charging
             the
             Justice
             of
             the
             Nation
             .
             Pray
             call
             Mr.
             
               Aaron
               Smith
            
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             
               Henry
               Starkey
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             appeared
          
           .
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             did
             you
             deliver
             these
             two
             Papers
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Doe's
             any
             body
             accuse
             me
             that
             I
             did
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             are
             accused
             for
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             desire
             proof
             may
             be
             made
             against
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             That
             will
             be
             done
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Look
             you
             we
             will
             not
             interrupt
             the
             Tryal
             with
             it
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             must
             be
             taken
             into
             safe
             Custody
             only
             to
             secure
             him
             ,
             till
             we
             can
             examine
             it
             not
             as
             charged
             with
             any
             Crime
             ,
             but
             only
             that
             he
             may
             be
             forth-Coming
             to
             be
             Examined
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             do
             not
             make
             a
             direct
             Answer
             Mr.
             Smith
             in
             the
             Case
             ,
             it
             will
             be
             proved
             upon
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Mr
             Attorney
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             what
             Answer
             to
             make
             better
             then
             I
             have
             given
             ;
             our
             Law
             says
             no
             man
             is
             bound
             to
             accuse
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             our
             Law
             says
             ,
             you
             shall
             be
             Examined
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             come
             to
             give
             no
             Informations
             here
             Mr.
             Attorney
             :
             If
             I
             did
             I
             should
             be
             then
             Examined
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Here
             are
             Instructions
             given
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             they
             say
             you
             gave
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             desire
             to
             have
             it
             proved
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Mr
             Attorney
             ,
             you
             will
             take
             a
             Recognizance
             of
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             to
             be
             forth-Coming
             during
             this
             Sessions
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             will
             not
             depart
             my
             Lord
             I
             assure
             you
             :
             And
             I
             hope
             Mr.
             Attorney
             will
             take
             my
             word
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Indeed
             I
             will
             not
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             because
             you
             have
             broken
             it
             with
             me
             already
             ,
             when
             I
             gave
             you
             Leave
             to
             go
             to
             the
             Prison
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             think
             you
             would
             have
             
             abused
             that
             Kindness
             ,
             to
             give
             him
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             take
             his
             Recognizance
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             high
             time
             to
             have
             a
             care
             ,
             when
             our
             Lives
             and
             Estates
             ,
             and
             all
             are
             beset
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             mean
             by
             that
             Mr.
             Smith
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             said
             it
             not
             ,
             meaning
             by
             it
             the
             Court
             ,
             for
             I
             declare
             I
             abhor
             that
             Expression
             to
             be
             so
             interpreted
             ,
             that
             I
             reflected
             upon
             the
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             Why
             do
             you
             use
             such
             loose
             Expressions
             then
             Mr.
             Smith
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Because
             I
             have
             been
             threatned
             since
             I
             came
             to
             Town
             ,
             tho
             I
             have
             not
             spoke
             one
             Word
             in
             any
             publick
             Company
             since
             I
             came
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             It
             seems
             you
             will
             reflect
             here
             in
             the
             Face
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             Face
             of
             the
             Country
             ,
             upon
             the
             Government
             ,
             upon
             the
             Justice
             of
             the
             Kingdom
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             No
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             told
             you
             what
             I
             meant
             by
             it
             ;
             I
             neither
             reflected
             upon
             the
             Court
             ,
             nor
             upon
             the
             Government
             ,
             nor
             upon
             the
             Justice
             of
             the
             Kingdom
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             should
             have
             done
             well
             ,
             to
             have
             forborn
             such
             Expressions
             as
             those
             were
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Shall
             I
             not
             have
             the
             Use
             of
             the
             Papers
             my
             Lord
             :
             Will
             you
             not
             please
             to
             deliver
             them
             back
             to
             me
             ,
             now
             you
             have
             perused
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             One
             of
             them
             is
             a
             Speech
             ,
             and
             a
             most
             seditious
             libellous
             Speech
             ,
             to
             spit
             Venom
             upon
             the
             Government
             in
             the
             Face
             of
             the
             Country
             .
             We
             cannot
             tell
             who
             made
             it
             ,
             but
             it
             seems
             to
             be
             beyond
             your
             Capacity
             :
             And
             therefore
             we
             must
             enquire
             into
             it
             ,
             but
             we
             do
             not
             think
             fit
             to
             let
             you
             have
             the
             use
             of
             that
             Paper
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             For
             that
             which
             contains
             the
             Names
             of
             the
             Witnesses
             ,
             that
             you
             have
             again
             :
             For
             the
             other
             matters
             ,
             the
             Instructions
             in
             point
             of
             Law
             ,
             if
             they
             had
             been
             written
             in
             the
             first
             Person
             ▪
             in
             your
             own
             Name
             ,
             that
             we
             might
             believe
             it
             was
             your
             Writing
             ,
             it
             would
             have
             been
             something
             ;
             but
             when
             it
             is
             written
             in
             the
             second
             Person
             ,
             you
             should
             do
             so
             and
             so
             ;
             by
             which
             ,
             it
             appears
             to
             be
             written
             by
             another
             Person
             ;
             it
             is
             an
             ill
             President
             to
             permit
             such
             things
             ;
             that
             were
             to
             give
             you
             Counsel
             in
             an
             indirect
             Way
             ,
             which
             the
             Law
             gives
             you
             not
             directly
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             am
             ignorant
             what
             Questions
             to
             ask
             of
             the
             Witnesses
             ,
             shall
             not
             my
             Friends
             help
             me
             my
             Lord
             ?
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             will
             sift
             out
             the
             Truth
             as
             well
             as
             we
             can
             ,
             you
             need
             not
             fear
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Some
             of
             those
             things
             I
             took
             out
             of
             the
             Books
             my self
             .
             And
             if
             you
             are
             resolved
             to
             take
             away
             all
             my
             Helps
             ,
             I
             cannot
             help
             it
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             that
             Mr.
             Smith
             wrote
             one
             of
             those
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             Mr.
             Smith
             would
             have
             given
             four
             Guinneys
             it
             seems
             ,
             as
             a
             Bribe
             ,
             to
             the
             Goaler
             ,
             and
             he
             offered
             four
             more
             to
             let
             him
             have
             liberty
             to
             come
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             time
             indeed
             for
             Mr.
             Smith
             to
             have
             a
             Care.
             
          
        
         
           
             Keeper
             :
          
           
             It
             was
             Mr.
             Starkey
             that
             offered
             me
             the
             four
             Guinneys
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             call
             Mr.
             
               Henry
               Starkey
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             (
             But
             he
             did
             not
             appear
             .
             )
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Court
             took
             a
             Recognizance
             of
          
           100
           
             l.
             of
             Mr.
          
           Smith
           
             to
             attend
             the
             Court
             during
             the
             Session
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             delivered
             to
             me
             ,
             I
             cannot
             make
             my
             Defence
             else
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             are
             your
             Counsel
             in
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             and
             to
             give
             you
             your
             Papers
             were
             to
             assign
             you
             Counsel
             against
             Law
             ,
             they
             being
             not
             your
             own
             Papers
             ,
             but
             coming
             from
             a
             third
             hand
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             please
             to
             give
             me
             the
             Paper
             that
             has
             the
             Questions
             in
             it
             ,
             to
             ask
             the
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             There
             are
             no
             Papers
             with
             any
             particular
             Questions
             to
             any
             one
             Witness
             ,
             but
             only
             Instructions
             how
             to
             carry
             your self
             in
             this
             Case
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             A
             great
             deal
             of
             it
             is
             my
             own
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             truly
             I
             think
             that
             that
             doe's
             not
             Contain
             matter
             of
             Scandal
             may
             be
             Transcribed
             and
             given
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             I
             may
             have
             that
             ,
             that
             has
             in
             the
             Margent
             of
             it
             ,
             the
             Case
             of
             Lilburn
             and
             Stafford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             shall
             not
             have
             Instructions
             to
             Scandalize
             the
             Government
             ,
             all
             that
             is
             necessary
             for
             your
             defence
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             he
             had
             writ
             it
             himself
             I
             cannot
             well
             see
             how
             you
             could
             take
             it
             from
             him
             ,
             and
             truly
             as
             't
             is
             ,
             I
             had
             rather
             let
             him
             have
             too
             much
             ,
             then
             too
             little
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             thought
             I
             might
             have
             had
             Counsel
             to
             have
             assisted
             me
             ,
             but
             if
             
             I
             may
             have
             Counsel
             neither
             before
             my
             Plea
             nor
             after
             ,
             I
             that
             am
             an
             Ignorant
             may
             be
             lost
             by
             it
             ,
             but
             can't
             help
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             matter
             of
             Law
             arise
             you
             shall
             have
             Counsel
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             but
             it
             might
             have
             admitted
             of
             an
             Argument
             ,
             that
             which
             if
             I
             had
             had
             my
             Papers
             ,
             I
             should
             have
             offered
             to
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             we
             shall
             not
             go
             any
             farther
             now
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             how
             many
             Witnesses
             will
             be
             produced
             either
             of
             one
             side
             or
             another
             ,
             but
             't
             is
             too
             late
             to
             go
             on
             this
             Morning
             ,
             and
             because
             we
             attend
             here
             only
             upon
             this
             Occasion
             ,
             we
             shall
             go
             on
             with
             the
             Tryal
             at
             two
             a
             Clock
             in
             the
             Afternoon
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             You
             will
             be
             pleased
             to
             order
             the
             Papers
             for
             me
             to
             Peruse
             in
             the
             mean
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             have
             ordered
             that
             you
             shall
             have
             a
             Transcript
             of
             the
             Paper
             of
             Instructions
             ,
             leaving
             out
             that
             which
             is
             Scandalous
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             desire
             I
             may
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             whole
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             we
             do
             not
             think
             fit
             to
             do
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             let
             me
             know
             which
             you
             do
             except
             against
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Look
             you
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             I
             think
             we
             may
             let
             him
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             the
             whole
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             before
             you
             rise
             ,
             I
             desire
             you
             would
             please
             to
             take
             the
             Examination
             of
             Mr.
             Gregory
             ,
             about
             Mr.
             Starkey
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Swear
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             (
             Which
             was
             done
             .
          
           )
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             concerning
             Mr.
             Starkey
             ,
             and
             what
             he
             did
             offer
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Gregory
             .
          
           
             When
             they
             came
             by
             your
             Lordships
             Permission
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             they
             brought
             some
             Papers
             which
             they
             delivered
             to
             him
             :
             And
             afterwards
             Mr.
             Starkey
             took
             me
             aside
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             it
             was
             hard
             Usage
             that
             the
             Prisoner
             could
             not
             have
             his
             Counsel
             permitted
             to
             come
             to
             him
             .
             Do
             him
             what
             Favour
             you
             can
             ,
             and
             I
             shall
             not
             be
             Ungrateful
             ,
             so
             he
             clapped
             four
             Guinneys
             in
             my
             hand
             ,
             but
             I
             immediately
             laid
             them
             down
             upon
             the
             Table
             ,
             and
             would
             not
             take
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             you
             would
             please
             to
             send
             for
             Mr.
             Starkey
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Let
             him
             be
             sent
             for
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             You
             must
             go
             and
             take
             up
             Mr
             Starkey
             .
          
        
         
           
             Messenger
             .
          
           
             Must
             I
             keep
             him
             in
             Custody
             ?
             I
             don't
             know
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             you
             must
             order
             him
             from
             the
             Court
             to
             attend
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             These
             Papers
             Colledge
             shall
             not
             be
             debarr'd
             of
             ,
             for
             his
             Defence
             ,
             nor
             you
             Mr.
             Attorney
             from
             prosecuting
             upon
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             we
             we
             will
             put
             them
             into
             such
             Hands
             as
             shall
             take
             Care
             about
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Very
             few
             my
             Lord
             ,
             have
             appeared
             to
             do
             me
             any
             Kindness
             ,
             some
             have
             been
             frightned
             and
             Imprisoned
             ,
             others
             are
             now
             in
             Trouble
             for
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             the
             use
             of
             your
             Papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             May
             I
             have
             any
             Friends
             come
             to
             see
             me
             in
             the
             mean
             time
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             They
             must
             not
             come
             to
             you
             in
             the
             Prison
             ,
             to
             give
             you
             advice
             ;
             but
             I
             'le
             tell
             you
             since
             you
             move
             it
             ,
             if
             my
             Brothers
             think
             it
             convenient
             ,
             whilst
             the
             Court
             does
             withdraw
             ,
             any
             body
             of
             your
             Friends
             may
             come
             to
             you
             ,
             in
             the
             Presence
             of
             your
             Keeper
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Certainly
             you
             cannot
             think
             you
             can
             give
             a
             Priviledg
             to
             any
             Friend
             of
             yours
             ,
             to
             commit
             any
             Demeanor
             to
             offer
             Bribes
             to
             any
             Person
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             We
             do
             not
             charge
             you
             with
             it
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             Starkey
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             been
             kept
             a
             strict
             close
             Prisoner
             ,
             and
             if
             my
             Friends
             are
             so
             kind
             to
             me
             ,
             as
             to
             help
             me
             in
             order
             to
             my
             Defence
             ,
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             not
             be
             against
             it
             .
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Papers
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             shall
             have
             them
             ,
             but
             they
             shall
             be
             put
             into
             such
             Hands
             as
             the
             Court
             may
             have
             command
             over
             ;
             they
             shall
             be
             in
             the
             Sheriffes
             Sons
             Hands
             ,
             and
             you
             shall
             have
             the
             immediate
             Use
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             there
             be
             any
             thing
             else
             in
             those
             Papers
             necessary
             for
             my
             Defence
             ,
             I
             pray
             I
             may
             have
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             The
             Speech
             is
             not
             fit
             for
             you
             ,
             what
             other
             Papers
             would
             you
             have
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Another
             Paper
             there
             is
             ,
             that
             is
             something
             of
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             but
             libellous
             ,
             and
             what
             is
             a
             Scandal
             to
             the
             Government
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             are
             to
             have
             nothing
             of
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             but
             what
             you
             are
             to
             propose
             your self
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             take
             away
             all
             my
             helps
             I
             cannot
             propose
             any
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             To
             allow
             you
             those
             papers
             is
             to
             allow
             you
             Counsel
             by
             a
             side
             Wind.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Look
             you
             the
             papers
             of
             instructions
             shall
             be
             delivered
             to
             the
             Sheriff's
             Son
             ,
             who
             shall
             let
             you
             peruse
             it
             in
             this
             interval
             and
             make
             use
             of
             it
             in
             your
             Tryal
             ,
             but
             it
             must
             be
             in
             safe
             custody
             to
             be
             used
             upon
             further
             occasion
             as
             the
             Kings
             Attorney
             shall
             think
             fit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Court
             adjorn'd
             till
          
           2
           
             in
             the
             afternoon
          
           .
        
         
           
             Post
             meridiem
             .
             At
          
           2
           
             a
             clock
             the
             Court
             returned
             ,
             and
             Proclamation
             was
             made
             for
             attendance
             ,
             and
             for
             the
             Vnder-Sheriff
             to
             return
             his
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             ought
             not
             I
             to
             have
             a
             Copy
             of
             this
             Jury
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             they
             are
             to
             look
             upon
             you
             as
             they
             come
             to
             be
             sworn
             ,
             and
             then
             you
             are
             to
             challeng
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             ,
             hold
             up
             thy
             Hand
             ,
             and
             hearken
             to
             the
             Court
             ;
             those
             good
             men
             that
             you
             shall
             hear
             called
             ,
             and
             personally
             appear
             ,
             are
             to
             pass
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Sr.
             let
             the
             way
             be
             clear
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             see
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Ay
             ,
             Ay.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Sr.
             how
             many
             are
             there
             of
             the
             Jury
             that
             appear
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             There
             are
             enough
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Make
             Proclamation
             for
             Information
          
        
         
           (
           
             which
             was
             done
          
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             
               Henry
               Standard
            
             ,
             (
             who
             was
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               Richard
               Croke
            
             (
             who
             was
             challenged
             by
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             )
             
               William
               Bigg
            
             (
             challenged
             .
             )
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             challenge
             him
             Peremptorily
             ,
             or
             with
             Cause
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             he
             do
             not
             shew
             Cause
             ,
             it
             must
             be
             supposed
             it
             is
             Peremptory
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             suppose
             he
             was
             upon
             the
             Grand-Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             That
             would
             be
             a
             Chalenge
             with
             Cause
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bigg
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             was
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             I
             do
             not
             challenge
             him
             ;
             I
             know
             him
             not
             .
             (
             
               he
               was
               Sworn
            
             .
             )
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             
               Thomas
               Marsh
            
             ,
             (
             challenged
             .
             )
             
               Thomas
               Martin
            
             ,
             (
             did
             not
             appear
             .
             )
             
               Gabriel
               Merry
            
             ,
             (
             being
             almost
             a
             hundred
             years
             of
             Age
             ,
             was
             excused
             .
             )
             
               Robert
               Bird
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               John
               Shorter
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               William
               Windlow
            
             ,
             (
             Sworne
             .
             )
             
               Edward
               Aryes
            
             ,
             (
             Challenged
             .
             )
             
               William
               Ayres
            
             ,
             (
             Challenged
             .
             )
             and
             
               Richard
               Ayres
            
             ,
             (
             Challenged
             )
             
               Charles
               Hobbs
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               Roger
               Browne
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               Timothy
               Doyley
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               Richard
               Dutton
            
             ,
             (
             Challenged
             .
             )
             
               Ralph
               Wallis
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               John
               Nash
            
             ,
             (
             Challenged
             .
             )
             
               John
               Benson
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               John
               Peircy
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
             
               William
               Webb
            
             ,
             (
             Challenged
             .
             )
             and
             
               John
               Lawrence
            
             ,
             (
             Sworn
             .
             )
          
        
         
           
             Then
             they
             were
             counted
             ,
             and
             their
             Names
             in
             Order
             ,
             thus
          
           
             
               
                 Henry
                 Standard
              
            
             
               
                 William
                 Bigg
              
            
             
               
                 Robert
                 Bird.
              
               
            
             
               
                 John
                 Shorter
              
            
             
               
                 William
                 Windlow
              
            
             
               
                 Charles
                 Hobbs
              
            
             
               
                 Roger
                 Browne
              
            
             
               
                 Timothy
                 Doyley
              
            
             
               
                 Ralph
                 Wallis
              
            
             
               
                 John
                 Benson
              
            
             
               
                 John
                 Peircy
              
            
             
               
                 John
                 Lawrence
              
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Sheriffe
             ,
             there
             are
             a
             great
             many
             of
             the
             Jury
             that
             are
             not
             Sworn
             ,
             they
             are
             discharged
             ,
             let
             them
             go
             out
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             so
             you
             will
             make
             Room
             for
             the
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             you
             of
             the
             Jury
             ,
             look
             upon
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             and
             hearken
             to
             his
             Charge
             .
             He
             stands
             Indicted
             by
             the
             Name
             of
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             ,
             late
             of
             Oxford
             ,
             in
             the
             County
             of
             Oxford
             Carpenter
             ,
             for
             that
             he
             as
             a
             false
             Traytor
             ,
             &c.
             
             Proved
             in
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             
               Mutatis
               Mutandis
            
             ,
             and
             upon
             this
             Indictment
             he
             hath
             been
             Arraigned
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             North.
             
          
           
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             you
             Gentlemen
             that
             are
             Sworn
             ,
             this
             is
             an
             Indictment
             against
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             ,
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             for
             an
             Endeavour
             to
             raise
             a
             Rebellion
             within
             this
             Kingdom
             wherein
             he
             is
             accused
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             find
             that
             he
             as
             a
             false
             Traitor
             against
             the
             Kings
             Majesty
             ,
             contrary
             to
             the
             duty
             or
             his
             Allegiance
             ,
             on
             the
             10
             th
             .
             of
             March
             ,
             in
             the
             33
             d.
             year
             of
             the
             Kings
             Reign
             ,
             at
             Oxon
             here
             did
             trayterously
             Conspire
             ,
             and
             Compass
             the
             Death
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             the
             Subversion
             of
             the
             Government
             ,
             and
             to
             raise
             a
             Rebellion
             in
             the
             Kingdom
             ,
             and
             to
             slaughter
             his
             Majesties
             Subjects
             ,
             to
             put
             the
             King
             to
             Death
             ,
             to
             Levy
             War
             against
             him
             ,
             and
             to
             deprive
             him
             of
             his
             Royal
             State
             and
             Government
             ,
             and
             to
             alter
             the
             Government
             at
             his
             own
             Will
             and
             Pleasure
             ,
             and
             to
             accomplish
             this
             ,
             he
             did
             at
             Oxon
             here
             prepare
             Arms
             for
             the
             carrying
             on
             the
             War
             ,
             and
             excited
             one
             
               Edward
               Turbervile
            
             and
             others
             ,
             to
             arm
             themselves
             against
             the
             accomplishment
             of
             this
             Design
             ,
             and
             did
             declare
             his
             purpose
             was
             to
             Seize
             the
             Kings
             Person
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             was
             one
             of
             those
             that
             was
             to
             do
             it
             ;
             and
             to
             bring
             the
             said
             Turbervile
             and
             other
             Subjects
             to
             his
             purpose
             ,
             did
             Falsly
             ,
             Malitiously
             ,
             and
             Trayterously
             declare
             in
             their
             Hearing
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             no
             good
             to
             be
             expected
             from
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             he
             minded
             nothing
             but
             the
             Destruction
             of
             his
             People
             ,
             and
             Arbitrary
             Government
             ,
             and
             to
             introduce
             Popery
             .
             And
             this
             is
             laid
             to
             be
             against
             the
             Duty
             of
             his
             Allegiance
             ,
             against
             the
             Kings
             Peace
             ,
             and
             against
             the
             form
             of
             the
             Statutes
             in
             those
             Cases
             made
             and
             provided
             .
             The
             Prisoner
             you
             hear
             upon
             his
             Arraignment
             hath
             pleaded
             Not
             Guilty
             ,
             which
             Issue
             you
             are
             to
             try
             ,
             and
             if
             the
             Evidence
             for
             the
             King
             ,
             which
             are
             ready
             to
             be
             produced
             ,
             prove
             that
             which
             is
             laid
             to
             his
             Charge
             ,
             you
             are
             to
             find
             it
             accordingly
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             you
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             Jury
             .
             The
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             stands
             Indicted
             of
             a
             very
             high
             Crime
             ,
             no
             less
             then
             High
             Treason
             ,
             and
             that
             too
             of
             the
             deepest
             Dye
             ;
             it
             is
             for
             an
             Endeavour
             to
             destroy
             the
             King
             ,
             to
             subvert
             the
             Government
             ,
             to
             raise
             a
             Rebellion
             amongst
             the
             Kings
             Subjects
             .
             And
             Gentlemen
             ,
             those
             Instances
             that
             we
             shall
             give
             you
             ,
             and
             produce
             our
             Evidence
             to
             for
             the
             Proof
             of
             that
             ,
             are
             these
             .
             He
             laid
             his
             Design
             to
             Seize
             the
             King
             at
             Oxon
             ;
             and
             he
             did
             not
             want
             his
             Accomplices
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             but
             they
             were
             not
             Men
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             that
             were
             Protestants
             ,
             but
             Men
             that
             were
             Rebels
             in
             the
             late
             War
             ,
             they
             were
             men
             of
             such
             a
             Kidney
             ,
             that
             he
             associated
             himself
             with
             ,
             and
             these
             were
             the
             Persons
             that
             were
             to
             assist
             in
             this
             Attempt
             .
             In
             order
             to
             this
             he
             had
             prepared
             Arms
             in
             an
             extraordinary
             manner
             ,
             Arms
             of
             a
             great
             Value
             ,
             for
             one
             of
             his
             Condition
             ,
             who
             is
             by
             Trade
             a
             Joyner
             ;
             for
             if
             a
             true
             Estimate
             were
             taken
             of
             the
             Value
             of
             the
             Arms
             ,
             I
             believe
             they
             were
             worth
             twice
             his
             whole
             Estate
             ;
             he
             prepared
             a
             good
             Horse
             ,
             extraordinary
             Pistols
             ,
             a
             Carbine
             ,
             a
             Coat
             of
             Maile
             ,
             an
             Head
             Piece
             ,
             and
             so
             being
             armed
             Cap
             a-Pee
             ,
             with
             that
             Design
             he
             came
             hither
             to
             Oxon.
             And
             you
             will
             judge
             whether
             these
             be
             fit
             Tools
             for
             a
             Joyner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             beseech
             you
             Sr.
             have
             you
             any
             body
             to
             prove
             this
             ?
             If
             you
             have
             not
             ,
             you
             do
             hurt
             to
             the
             Jury
             as
             well
             as
             me
             ,
             to
             speak
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Be
             patient
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             let
             Mr.
             Attorney
             go
             on
             to
             open
             the
             Charge
             .
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             and
             the
             Jury
             too
             ,
             that
             what
             he
             saies
             further
             then
             he
             makes
             good
             by
             Proof
             and
             Witnesses
             ,
             will
             serve
             for
             nothing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             hard
             the
             Counsel
             should
             plead
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             open
             things
             that
             he
             cannot
             prove
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             will
             do
             you
             all
             the
             Right
             Imaginable
             ,
             and
             therefore
             I
             do
             tell
             you
             again
             ;
             if
             they
             do
             not
             prove
             it
             ,
             all
             he
             saies
             is
             nothing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             I
             beseech
             you
             my
             Lord
             ,
             since
             there
             hath
             been
             such
             extraordinary
             Means
             ,
             and
             Methods
             used
             to
             contrive
             my
             Death
             ,
             that
             the
             Witnesses
             may
             be
             examined
             apart
             ,
             and
             far
             from
             the
             Hearing
             one
             of
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             That
             we
             will
             take
             Care
             of
             by
             and
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
             This
             shews
             your
             Temper
             ,
             you
             are
             very
             inordinate
             in
             your
             way
             of
             expressing
             your self
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             I
             should
             not
             Interrupt
             you
             ,
             if
             I
             were
             not
             afraid
             this
             was
             spoken
             to
             possess
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             I
             hope
             to
             prove
             what
             I
             have
             said
             ,
             or
             every
             word
             of
             it
             shall
             pass
             for
             nothing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             impossible
             for
             all
             the
             Men
             on
             Earth
             to
             prove
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             these
             were
             the
             Particulars
             I
             was
             opening
             to
             you
             ,
             in
             what
             manner
             he
             was
             armed
             ,
             and
             how
             accoutred
             he
             came
             hither
             .
             We
             shall
             likewise
             shew
             you
             that
             he
             made
             it
             his
             Business
             to
             perswade
             others
             to
             undertake
             the
             Design
             ,
             and
             joyn
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             as
             if
             open
             War
             were
             already
             Declared
             ;
             he
             gave
             out
             a
             Sign
             which
             
             was
             a
             blew
             Ribbon
             ,
             a
             wrought
             Ribbon
             with
             Letters
             in
             it
             ,
             and
             this
             was
             the
             mark
             and
             Sign
             ,
             they
             were
             to
             know
             one
             another
             by
             .
             This
             was
             given
             out
             by
             him
             frequently
             ;
             and
             that
             it
             may
             not
             seem
             an
             extraordinary
             thing
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             tho
             indeed
             it
             was
             a
             wild
             attempt
             ,
             yet
             you
             will
             cease
             to
             wonder
             when
             you
             have
             heard
             of
             the
             Exploit
             of
             Venner
             who
             with
             a
             few
             men
             raised
             such
             a
             Commotion
             ,
             soon
             after
             the
             Kings
             coming
             in
             ,
             and
             the
             several
             Exploits
             that
             have
             of
             late
             in
             Scotland
             been
             carried
             on
             ,
             by
             a
             few
             discontented
             Persons
             .
             So
             that
             men
             of
             the
             like
             Principles
             ,
             as
             we
             shall
             give
             you
             an
             Account
             of
             this
             Gentlemans
             Principles
             what
             they
             were
             ,
             may
             well
             be
             thought
             to
             ingage
             in
             such
             an
             Extraordinary
             Exploit
             .
             And
             we
             shall
             prove
             what
             the
             incouragment
             was
             he
             was
             to
             have
             ;
             for
             he
             boasted
             of
             himself
             ,
             that
             he
             should
             be
             in
             a
             little
             time
             a
             Collonel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             A
             Collonel
             ,
             a
             great
             preferment
             for
             a
             Joyner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Yes
             it
             was
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             shall
             shew
             to
             you
             that
             this
             was
             not
             a
             sudden
             unpre-meditated
             thing
             ;
             for
             we
             shall
             prove
             that
             he
             had
             entertained
             the
             horridest
             Malice
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             ever
             Subject
             entertained
             against
             his
             Soveraign
             :
             For
             we
             shall
             give
             this
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             his
             Front
             will
             not
             oppose
             it
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             made
             it
             his
             common
             Discourse
             in
             Coffee-Houses
             ,
             and
             publick
             Houses
             ,
             (
             and
             I
             believe
             I
             could
             bring
             you
             40
             and
             40
             Witnesses
             to
             it
             )
             to
             defame
             the
             King
             and
             murder
             him
             in
             his
             Reputation
             ,
             and
             was
             one
             of
             the
             Complices
             with
             
               Fitz
               Harris
            
             who
             lately
             was
             Executed
             for
             that
             venemous
             Libel
             :
             We
             shall
             prove
             that
             he
             justified
             it
             ,
             and
             maintained
             it
             to
             be
             as
             true
             as
             the
             Gospel
             .
             We
             shall
             give
             Evidence
             that
             he
             carried
             on
             the
             same
             Design
             ,
             with
             that
             Arch-Traytor
             who
             was
             a
             Papist
             ;
             and
             I
             believe
             if
             this
             Gentleman
             were
             Examined
             throughly
             he
             would
             be
             found
             to
             be
             one
             of
             the
             same
             Stamp
             ,
             and
             acted
             by
             the
             same
             Principle
             ;
             for
             I
             think
             that
             no
             Protestant
             Subject
             would
             attempt
             such
             things
             as
             we
             shall
             prove
             to
             you
             .
             I
             believe
             Gentlemen
             you
             have
             frequently
             heard
             ,
             as
             none
             of
             us
             but
             have
             ,
             that
             the
             King
             hath
             been
             traduced
             as
             a
             designer
             of
             Arbitrary
             Government
             ,
             and
             his
             Reputation
             blasted
             Maliciously
             ,
             and
             falsly
             ,
             as
             an
             introducer
             of
             Popery
             :
             Whence
             comes
             all
             this
             generally
             ,
             but
             out
             of
             the
             Popish
             Quiver
             ,
             who
             make
             it
             their
             business
             to
             set
             the
             Kings
             good
             Subjects
             at
             variance
             amongst
             themselves
             ;
             and
             against
             their
             Prince
             ,
             by
             Styling
             the
             King
             a
             Papist
             as
             this
             Person
             hath
             done
             ,
             nay
             ,
             he
             hath
             been
             so
             impudent
             as
             to
             report
             that
             the
             King
             was
             in
             the
             Plot
             against
             his
             own
             Life
             .
             We
             shall
             prove
             to
             you
             ,
             how
             here
             and
             at
             other
             places
             he
             hath
             frequently
             done
             this
             ;
             to
             go
             further
             ,
             we
             shall
             produce
             to
             you
             the
             Evidence
             that
             he
             drew
             the
             Kings
             Picture
             ,
             and
             exposed
             him
             in
             all
             the
             reproachful
             Characters
             imaginable
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Picture
             might
             be
             the
             better
             understood
             ,
             he
             adds
             a
             Ballad
             to
             it
             :
             And
             that
             he
             may
             not
             have
             the
             Confidence
             to
             say
             this
             is
             not
             true
             ,
             we
             shall
             produce
             to
             you
             a
             whole
             Bundle
             of
             these
             Papers
             ,
             among
             those
             which
             his
             Son
             made
             a
             Discovery
             of
             ,
             when
             they
             were
             sent
             to
             his
             Uncle
             to
             be
             hid
             ,
             and
             we
             shall
             prove
             him
             to
             be
             the
             Author
             of
             them
             ;
             and
             yet
             that
             this
             man
             should
             have
             the
             Confidence
             to
             say
             he
             is
             a
             good
             Subject
             and
             a
             good
             Protestant
             ,
             when
             by
             all
             ways
             imaginable
             he
             goes
             about
             to
             ruin
             the
             Government
             ,
             and
             defame
             the
             King
             !
             And
             Gentlemen
             when
             we
             have
             given
             you
             this
             Account
             by
             Witnesses
             ,
             for
             I
             would
             have
             you
             believe
             me
             in
             nothing
             ,
             but
             according
             as
             I
             prove
             it
             ,
             you
             will
             not
             wonder
             then
             that
             he
             should
             say
             his
             Life
             is
             in
             danger
             ,
             (
             for
             so
             it
             is
             indeed
             ?
             )
             And
             if
             any
             man
             ever
             was
             Guilty
             of
             High-Treason
             ,
             sure
             he
             is
             ,
             and
             being
             Guilty
             of
             the
             greatest
             Treason
             ,
             he
             deserves
             the
             severest
             Punishment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             Jury
             ,
             take
             Mr.
             Attorney
             General
             at
             his
             word
             ,
             and
             remember
             Sir
             ,
             you
             desire
             not
             to
             be
             believed
             your self
             ,
             but
             what
             you
             prove
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             Gentlemen
             ,
             Pursuant
             to
             what
             Mr.
             Attorney
             hath
             opened
             ,
             we
             will
             call
             our
             Witnesses
             ,
             and
             we
             will
             begin
             with
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ;
             who
             was
             a
             Witness
             against
             my
             
               Lord
               Stafford
            
             ,
             at
             his
             Tryal
             in
             Parliament
             ,
             whose
             Credit
             Mr.
             Colledge
             did
             attest
             at
             that
             Tryal
             ,
             asserting
             him
             to
             be
             an
             honest
             good
             man
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             his
             Evidence
             will
             go
             in
             a
             great
             measure
             through
             all
             that
             Mr.
             Attorney
             hath
             opened
             ,
             and
             when
             we
             have
             done
             with
             him
             ,
             we
             hope
             to
             second
             him
             with
             other
             Witnesses
             of
             as
             good
             Credit
             ,
             and
             that
             will
             say
             as
             much
             to
             the
             Purpose
             .
          
        
         
           Then
           Mr.
           
             Dugdale
             was
             Sworn
          
           .
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             look
             upon
             the
             prisoner
             ,
             and
             tell
             the
             Court
             whether
             you
             know
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             do
             know
             him
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             give
             us
             an
             Account
             of
             your
             knowledge
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             humbly
             desire
             they
             may
             be
             Examined
             apart
             ,
             and
             not
             in
             the
             hearing
             one
             of
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             That
             with
             Submission
             ought
             not
             to
             be
             in
             the
             Kings
             Case
             ,
             tho
             we
             think
             there
             are
             none
             of
             them
             ,
             that
             will
             speak
             any
             more
             then
             the
             Truth
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Here
             are
             several
             of
             them
             my
             Lord
             ,
             they
             are
             all
             of
             a
             Gang.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Not
             of
             your
             Gang
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             Pray
             they
             may
             go
             out
             my
             Lord
             ,
          
        
         
           (
           which
           was
           ordered
           accordingly
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             If
             your
             Lordships
             please
             ,
             whether
             or
             no
             I
             may
             deliver
             in
             these
             Papers
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             By
             and
             by
             time
             enough
             ,
             when
             we
             ask
             for
             them
             speak
             your
             own
             knowledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             been
             I
             think
             acquainted
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             2
             years
             or
             thereabouts
             .
             I
             have
             been
             several
             times
             in
             Mr.
             Colledges
             Company
             ,
             and
             truly
             somtimes
             he
             hath
             been
             mightily
             bent
             against
             Popery
             ;
             he
             hath
             at
             somtimes
             uttered
             himself
             ,
             because
             the
             King
             did
             not
             prosecute
             the
             Papists
             according
             as
             he
             thought
             sufficiently
             ,
             that
             the
             King
             was
             a
             Papist
             himself
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             as
             deep
             in
             the
             Plot
             as
             any
             Papist
             of
             them
             all
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             an
             hand
             in
             Sr.
             
               Edmondbury
               Godfry's
            
             Death
             .
             This
             Mr.
             Colledge
             I
             appeal
             to
             your self
             ,
             whether
             you
             have
             not
             said
             it
             :
             And
             in
             this
             Town
             of
             Oxford
             you
             have
             several
             times
             told
             me
             that
             nothing
             was
             to
             be
             expected
             from
             him
             ,
             he
             would
             do
             nothing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             
          
           
             Who
             did
             tell
             you
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             did
             tell
             me
             that
             there
             was
             nothing
             to
             be
             expected
             from
             the
             King
             ,
             but
             the
             introduceing
             of
             Popery
             and
             Arbitrary
             Government
             ,
             this
             I
             believe
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             will
             acknowledge
             to
             be
             True.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             spoken
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             This
             was
             spoken
             at
             a
             Coffee-House
             ,
             called
             Combes
             Coffee-House
             in
             this
             Town
             ,
             and
             at
             the
             Angel-Inn
             in
             this
             Town
             at
             a
             Barbers
             shop
             ;
             that
             day
             the
             King
             went
             out
             of
             Town
             ,
             we
             were
             in
             the
             the
             same
             Shop
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Who
             was
             there
             besides
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Do
             not
             interrupt
             our
             Witnesses
             ,
             let
             us
             have
             done
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             you
             shall
             have
             your
             time
             to
             ask
             him
             Questions
             after
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               C.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             For
             your
             Instruction
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             ,
             your
             time
             is
             not
             yet
             come
             ,
             if
             you
             chop
             in
             and
             interrupt
             the
             Witnesses
             ,
             you
             will
             disturb
             any
             man
             living
             ,
             but
             your
             way
             is
             this
             ,
             when
             he
             hath
             delivired
             his
             Testimony
             ask
             him
             any
             Questions
             then
             ;
             and
             he
             shall
             be
             bound
             to
             Answer
             you
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             mean
             time
             you
             shall
             have
             Pen
             Ink
             and
             Paper
             ,
             to
             help
             your
             memory
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             That
             day
             the
             King
             went
             out
             of
             Town
             presently
             after
             he
             went
             ,
             you
             and
             I
             went
             into
             the
             Angel-Inn
             :
             and
             we
             went
             into
             the
             Barbers-shop
             that
             is
             just
             within
             the
             Inn
             ,
             and
             being
             charging
             your
             Pistols
             there
             ,
             you
             said
             Rowley
             was
             gone
             ,
             the
             Rogue
             was
             afraid
             of
             himself
             ,
             he
             was
             shirked
             away
             ,
             and
             here
             I
             appeal
             to
             your
             own
             Conscience
             ,
             whether
             you
             did
             not
             speak
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Collidge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Don't
             appeal
             to
             him
             ,
             't
             is
             nothing
             for
             that
             ,
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Who
             did
             he
             mean
             by
             Rowley
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             The
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Was
             that
             his
             common
             Application
             for
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             his
             Common
             word
             concerning
             the
             King.
             And
             at
             other
             times
             speaking
             that
             the
             King
             did
             not
             do
             those
             things
             that
             were
             fair
             ,
             he
             hath
             given
             mighty
             great
             words
             against
             him
             :
             He
             hath
             told
             me
             that
             there
             was
             no
             trust
             to
             be
             put
             in
             him
             ;
             for
             it
             was
             the
             People
             we
             must
             trust
             to
             ,
             and
             we
             must
             look
             to
             Arm
             our selves
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             would
             Arm
             himself
             and
             be
             here
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             he
             told
             me
             here
             in
             the
             Town
             ,
             accordingly
             when
             I
             came
             out
             of
             the
             Country
             ,
             and
             he
             said
             that
             he
             had
             several
             stout
             men
             that
             would
             stand
             by
             him
             in
             it
             .
             Their
             Intention
             was
             as
             he
             said
             for
             the
             rooting
             out
             of
             Popery
             ,
             by
             which
             name
             he
             alway
             termed
             the
             Church
             that
             is
             now
             Established
             by
             Law
             ,
             as
             to
             be
             of
             the
             same
             nature
             the
             Papists
             were
             .
             This
             I
             believe
             Mr.
             Colledge
             will
             acknowledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Well
             go
             on
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             And
             at
             a
             time
             when
             he
             had
             Dr.
             Tongue
             at
             his
             House
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             that
             as
             for
             Dr.
             Tongue
             he
             had
             much
             a
             do
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             he
             had
             been
             at
             a
             great
             Charge
             to
             keep
             him
             in
             order
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             forced
             to
             neglect
             his
             own
             business
             to
             look
             after
             him
             ;
             for
             if
             he
             had
             not
             done
             so
             ,
             the
             Rogue
             as
             he
             said
             had
             a
             mind
             to
             fling
             all
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             that
             is
             the
             Dissenters
             ,
             for
             he
             does
             not
             Count
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             to
             be
             so
             ;
             that
             he
             had
             much
             a
             doe
             to
             keep
             him
             in
             order
             ;
             for
             he
             had
             said
             he
             had
             drawn
             Papers
             to
             that
             Purpose
             ,
             but
             those
             Papers
             are
             secured
             ,
             for
             where
             they
             are
             I
             can't
             tell
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Who
             were
             they
             that
             were
             to
             be
             with
             him
             in
             that
             Design
             of
             his
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             told
             me
             Captain
             Chinton
             ,
             Captain
             Browne
             ,
             and
             one
             Dr.
             Lewes
             ,
             and
             he
             brought
             them
             into
             Town
             here
             ,
             when
             he
             came
             with
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             To
             what
             purpose
             did
             he
             bring
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Expecting
             there
             would
             be
             a
             rising
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             that
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             the
             Friday
             ,
             I
             think
             it
             was
             ,
             after
             the
             Parliament
             first
             sat
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             How
             did
             he
             express
             himself
             ?
             what
             they
             had
             to
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             to
             be
             here
             ,
             in
             Case
             there
             were
             any
             rising
             which
             he
             expected
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             use
             did
             he
             say
             he
             would
             make
             of
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             defence
             of
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             ,
             against
             the
             King
             and
             all
             his
             Adherents
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             say
             he
             would
             do
             to
             the
             King
             ?
             I
             would
             not
             lead
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             not
             say
             what
             particularly
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             say
             if
             the
             King
             did
             not
             yield
             to
             the
             Parliament
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             If
             the
             King
             did
             not
             yield
             to
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             he
             should
             be
             forced
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             ,
          
           
             Where
             did
             you
             hear
             him
             say
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             hear
             him
             declare
             this
             at
             London
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             say
             at
             London
             ,
             he
             expected
             there
             would
             be
             some
             thing
             done
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             would
             go
             thither
             with
             his
             Horse
             and
             Arms
             ,
             and
             those
             Gentlemen
             I
             named
             before
             would
             go
             with
             him
             .
             And
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             let
             them
             begin
             when
             they
             would
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             care
             how
             soon
             ,
             his
             Party
             was
             the
             greatest
             Party
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             What
             was
             that
             Capt.
             Brown
             ?
             did
             you
             know
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             knew
             him
             very
             well
             ;
             he
             did
             much
             frequent
             Mr.
             College's
             company
             ;
             he
             was
             in
             the
             late
             Army
             against
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             see
             him
             have
             any
             Pistol
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             have
             seen
             him
             carry
             Pistols
             about
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             ,
             in
             his
             Pocket
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             saw
             them
             in
             the
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             At
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             see
             them
             in
             his
             hand
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             that
             ,
             he
             had
             them
             in
             the
             House
             ,
             I
             saw
             them
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             see
             him
             in
             his
             Silk
             Armour
             about
             the
             Parliament-House
             ,
             the
             Lobby
             ,
             or
             any
             place
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             say
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             What
             did
             you
             know
             of
             his
             delivering
             any
             Marks
             or
             Signs
             for
             Persons
             to
             be
             distinguished
             by
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             had
             as
             much
             Ribband
             from
             him
             as
             came
             to
             40
             s.
             with
             
               no
               Popery
               no
               Slavery
            
             wrought
             in
             it
             ,
             and
             he
             gave
             it
             me
             to
             distribute
             among
             my
             Friends
             in
             the
             Country
             ,
             that
             they
             might
             be
             known
             by
             other
             Persons
             that
             would
             wear
             the
             same
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Where
             had
             you
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             London
             ,
             from
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             it
             to
             be
             distributed
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Among
             those
             that
             I
             knew
             to
             be
             Dissenters
             in
             the
             Country
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Were
             you
             to
             come
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             by
             agreement
             ,
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             promised
             him
             to
             come
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             did
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             go
             on
             ,
             What
             more
             do
             you
             know
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             London
             I
             was
             once
             at
             a
             Coffee
             House
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             with
             some
             of
             the
             Members
             of
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             ;
             it
             was
             a
             little
             before
             they
             met
             ;
             and
             they
             were
             earnestly
             talking
             of
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             of
             some
             disturbance
             that
             was
             likely
             to
             happen
             here
             .
             And
             it
             was
             then
             fully
             agreed
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Colledge
             was
             by
             ,
             That
             it
             would
             be
             the
             best
             way
             ,
             out
             of
             every
             County
             ,
             where
             the
             Parliament
             had
             the
             best
             interest
             in
             the
             People
             ,
             to
             leave
             one
             in
             every
             County
             that
             might
             manage
             the
             People
             .
             This
             I
             appeal
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             whether
             it
             be
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             appeal
             to
             me
             ,
             Shall
             I
             speak
             now
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             you
             will
             remember
             it
             by
             and
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             any
             Pictures
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             let
             him
             speak
             that
             over
             again
             which
             he
             mentioned
             last
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Being
             in
             a
             Coffee
             House
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             there
             were
             some
             of
             the
             Members
             of
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             by
             ;
             and
             speaking
             of
             a
             Disturbance
             that
             might
             happen
             here
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             it
             was
             then
             agreed
             ,
             That
             in
             every
             Quarter
             where
             the
             Parliament
             had
             the
             most
             interest
             in
             the
             People
             ,
             they
             should
             not
             all
             come
             up
             ,
             but
             some
             remain
             there
             to
             manage
             the
             People
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             any
             Pictures
             or
             Papers
             ,
             have
             you
             any
             about
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             have
             one
             thing
             I
             received
             from
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             the
             Letter
             pretended
             to
             be
             intercepted
             to
             
               Roger
               L'Estrange
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             what
             account
             did
             he
             give
             you
             of
             it
             ?
             Who
             made
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             told
             me
             he
             was
             the
             Author
             of
             it
             himself
             ,
             and
             he
             shewed
             me
             it
             in
             Manuscript
             before
             it
             was
             printed
             ;
             and
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             he
             got
             one
             Curtis
             ,
             or
             his
             Wife
             ,
             to
             print
             it
             ;
             but
             he
             would
             never
             trust
             them
             again
             ,
             for
             they
             cheated
             him
             of
             some
             of
             the
             Gain
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Who
             was
             the
             Author
             did
             he
             say
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             produce
             it
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             This
             and
             others
             he
             delivered
             to
             me
             to
             disperse
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             it
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             It
             is
             a
             Letter
             ,
             and
             a
             great
             part
             of
             Fitz-Harris's
             Libel
             is
             taken
             out
             ;
             it
             seems
             Colledge
             was
             the
             Author
             ,
             and
             this
             is
             the
             Original
             of
             the
             Libel
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             this
             was
             of
             his
             making
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             disperse
             them
             to
             any
             Body
             else
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             there
             were
             some
             given
             to
             one
             Mr.
             Boson
             ,
             he
             had
             some
             at
             the
             same
             time
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Baldwin
             had
             some
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Paper
             was
             read
          
           .
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             First
             Q.
             
               VVhether
               they
               that
               talk
            
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             give
             my
             Lord
             an
             account
             what
             more
             Papers
             and
             Libels
             he
             delivered
             to
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             received
             one
             like
             this
             ,
             I
             cannot
             say
             it
             was
             the
             same
             ,
             where
             all
             the
             Bishops
             were
             changing
             their
             Hats
             for
             Cardinal
             Caps
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             ,
             for
             it
             seems
             he
             hath
             expounded
             the
             meaning
             of
             that
             .
          
        
         
           (
           
             Then
             it
             was
             produced
          
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             I
             suppose
             't
             is
             his
             own
             cutting
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             heard
             Mr.
             Colledge
             sing
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             In
             Oxfordshire
             and
             in
             Oxford
             Town
             ,
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             his
             House
             in
             the
             Country
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Who
             were
             in
             the
             Company
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Sir
             
               Robert
               Clayton
            
             ,
             Sir
             
               Thomas
               Player
            
             ,
             Mr.
             Rouse
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             you
             heard
             him
             in
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             in
             Oxfordshire
             ,
             and
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ,
             where
             is
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             Lovelace
             is
             here
             himself
             ,
             and
             hears
             what
             he
             says
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             might
             mistake
             the
             County
             ,
             but
             I
             heard
             him
             sing
             it
             at
             Oxford
             Town
             ,
             and
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             House
             again
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             Where
             is
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             the
             Town
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             How
             came
             you
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Sir
             
               Thomas
               Player
            
             did
             invite
             me
             thither
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             it
             in
             Oxfordshire
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             ,
             't
             is
             four
             miles
             from
             Henley
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Was
             my
             Lord
             at
             home
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Now
             for
             the
             Cut
             then
             ;
             Did
             he
             shew
             you
             this
             Cut
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             he
             would
             get
             it
             printed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Was
             it
             before
             it
             was
             printed
             then
             that
             he
             sung
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Who
             did
             he
             tell
             you
             did
             make
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             told
             me
             he
             was
             the
             Author
             of
             this
             Cut
             ,
             and
             he
             gave
             me
             one
             ,
             and
             we
             sang
             it
             together
             presently
             after
             it
             was
             printed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             How
             did
             he
             describe
             it
             to
             you
             ,
             when
             he
             shewed
             it
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             That
             which
             hath
             the
             Pack
             on
             the
             back
             of
             it
             ,
             he
             described
             to
             be
             the
             King
             ;
             those
             that
             follow
             him
             were
             
               Topham
               ,
               Cooper
               ,
               Hughs
            
             ,
             and
             Snow
             ;
             and
             that
             company
             of
             men
             there
             is
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             What
             was
             meant
             by
             the
             Pack
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             The
             Parliament
             and
             all
             his
             Retinue
             ;
             and
             then
             here
             is
             the
             King
             in
             the
             Mire
             again
             ,
             according
             as
             't
             is
             represented
             in
             the
             Long
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Ay
             ,
             he
             goes
             on
             well
             .
             And
             this
             here
             is
             the
             Bishops
             which
             they
             thrust
             into
             the
             Pack
             when
             they
             have
             got
             him
             down
             into
             the
             Mire
             ,
             and
             then
             they
             thrust
             them
             all
             away
             ,
             as
             it
             is
             in
             the
             Song
             ,
             to
             hoot
             them
             away
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               Ch.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             make
             this
             explication
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Who
             were
             the
             All
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             King
             ,
             and
             Clergy-men
             ,
             and
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             he
             explained
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             London
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Halloway
             .
          
           
             Is
             there
             any
             thing
             relating
             to
             White-hall
             ?
             what
             name
             did
             he
             give
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             Louse-hall
             was
             White-hall
             ,
             because
             of
             its
             poverty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Ballad
             was
             read
          
           .
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             .
             To
             the
             Tune
             of
             ,
             
               I
               am
               a
               Sensless
               Thing
            
             .
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             This
             shews
             you
             what
             sort
             of
             Man
             he
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Here
             you
             say
             he
             explained
             this
             with
             the
             Pack
             at
             the
             back
             to
             be
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             mean
             by
             the
             two
             Faces
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             That
             he
             was
             half
             Protestant
             ,
             and
             half
             Papist
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             make
             any
             comparison
             between
             his
             own
             Party
             and
             the
             King's
             Party
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             they
             were
             but
             an
             handful
             to
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             To
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             To
             his
             Party
             ,
             that
             was
             the
             Dissenters
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Speak
             that
             out
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             That
             their
             Party
             was
             but
             a
             handful
             to
             theirs
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Theirs
             and
             theirs
             ,
             who
             did
             he
             mean
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             meant
             the
             Dissenters
             ,
             for
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             he
             reckoned
             among
             the
             Papists
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               Ch.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             Tell
             us
             the
             words
             he
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             ,
             his
             Party
             was
             the
             true
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             that
             which
             is
             established
             by
             Law
             ,
             were
             but
             Protestants
             in
             Masquerade
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Tell
             us
             when
             he
             made
             the
             comparison
             ,
             what
             words
             he
             did
             use
             ,
             and
             upon
             what
             occasion
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             When
             he
             perceived
             the
             King
             at
             Oxford
             would
             not
             yield
             to
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             Let
             him
             begin
             as
             soon
             as
             he
             would
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             care
             how
             soon
             he
             did
             begin
             ,
             for
             their
             Party
             ,
             meaning
             the
             King
             and
             his
             Party
             ,
             was
             but
             an
             handful
             to
             him
             and
             his
             Party
             ,
             calling
             them
             the
             true
             Protestants
             ,
             the
             others
             were
             Protestants
             in
             Masquerade
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             desire
             you
             to
             do
             ?
             To
             be
             assisting
             in
             any
             thing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             always
             desired
             me
             to
             be
             true
             of
             that
             side
             ,
             he
             hoped
             I
             was
             ,
             and
             to
             get
             good
             Arms
             for
             my self
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             in
             Oxford
             desire
             this
             of
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             For
             what
             purpose
             did
             he
             desire
             you
             to
             arm
             your self
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             ,
             the
             King
             had
             a
             design
             on
             the
             People
             to
             introduce
             Popery
             and
             Arbitrary
             Government
             ,
             and
             he
             expected
             every
             day
             when
             they
             would
             begin
             ,
             and
             the
             sooner
             the
             better
             ,
             he
             would
             be
             provided
             for
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Was
             that
             in
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             spoke
             it
             in
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             City
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             of
             any
             that
             were
             listed
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             spoke
             of
             Capt.
             Brown
             ,
             and
             Capt.
             Clinton
             ,
             and
             
               Don
               Lewes
            
             ,
             and
             abundance
             more
             he
             said
             he
             had
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             he
             had
             them
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             about
             forty
             of
             them
             were
             there
             he
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             of
             any
             that
             were
             listed
             ,
             in
             order
             to
             the
             coming
             down
             of
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Not
             listed
             ,
             but
             were
             intended
             to
             come
             down
             ;
             and
             at
             Oxford
             he
             told
             me
             they
             were
             come
             down
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Were
             you
             in
             their
             company
             in
             Oxford
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             company
             of
             whom
             ?
             name
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdal
             .
          
           
             Of
             Capt.
             
               Brown
               ,
               Don
               Lewes
            
             ,
             and
             several
             others
             of
             that
             Gang
             ;
             I
             know
             not
             their
             Names
             ,
             but
             I
             know
             their
             Faces
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             take
             notice
             to
             you
             that
             they
             were
             come
             down
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             To
             what
             purpose
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             expected
             there
             would
             be
             a
             rising
             in
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             to
             this
             purpose
             ;
             Mr.
             Colledge
             was
             one
             that
             debated
             it
             at
             Richard's
             Coffee
             House
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             to
             be
             carried
             from
             thence
             to
             the
             King's-Head
             Club
             ,
             Whether
             it
             were
             not
             best
             to
             leave
             a
             Parliament
             Man
             in
             every
             County
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             This
             was
             at
             Richard's
             Coffee
             House
             in
             London
             ,
             against
             they
             met
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             could
             give
             you
             an
             account
             of
             a
             volume
             of
             these
             things
             ,
             abundance
             of
             scandalous
             Pamphlets
             ,
             both
             Songs
             ,
             Libels
             ,
             and
             Ballads
             ,
             that
             were
             made
             by
             this
             Gentleman
             ,
             and
             all
             seized
             in
             his
             custody
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             he
             sung
             this
             Libel
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             All
             these
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             (
             shewing
             a
             great
             bundle
             )
             were
             to
             be
             dispersed
             over
             England
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             it
             seems
             expounded
             and
             sung
             by
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ;
             he
             gave
             you
             the
             Ballad
             here
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             you
             say
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             heard
             him
             sing
             it
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             what
             was
             the
             use
             was
             to
             be
             made
             of
             this
             Ballad
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Come
             go
             to
             the
             next
             ,
             we
             call
             this
             Evidence
             to
             shew
             you
             the
             malice
             of
             the
             Man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             ask
             some
             Questions
             of
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Ay
             ,
             now
             let
             the
             Prisoner
             ask
             his
             Questions
             (
             to
             do
             him
             right
             )
             before
             we
             go
             to
             another
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             a
             word
             or
             two
             more
             about
             a
             Libel
             in
             Manuscript
             ,
             that
             very
             day
             the
             Sheriffs
             were
             to
             be
             chosen
             ;
             it
             was
             to
             be
             printed
             ,
             and
             he
             told
             me
             the
             Printer
             durst
             not
             print
             it
             ,
             it
             was
             so
             dangerous
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             What
             was
             it
             ,
             can
             you
             remember
             any
             part
             of
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             but
             it
             was
             the
             worst
             I
             ever
             heard
             in
             my
             life
             against
             the
             King
             and
             Government
             .
          
        
         
           
             
               L.
               Ch.
            
             J.
             
          
           
             Now
             ask
             him
             what
             Questions
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             when
             was
             the
             first
             time
             you
             gave
             this
             Evidence
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Truly
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             I
             don't
             keep
             an
             account
             of
             Time
             ,
             I
             cannot
             give
             an
             account
             of
             Time.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             As
             near
             as
             you
             can
             ,
             tell
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             whether
             it
             might
             be
             in
             June
             ,
             I
             think
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             before
             I
             was
             taken
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             might
             be
             about
             the
             time
             you
             were
             taken
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             who
             did
             you
             give
             it
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             gave
             to
             Sir
             
               Lionel
               Jenkins
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             did
             you
             swear
             these
             particulars
             were
             done
             then
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             What
             was
             done
             in
             the
             City
             ,
             I
             swore
             to
             be
             done
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             City
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             London
             ;
             the
             same
             words
             were
             said
             in
             the
             City
             of
             London
             ,
             and
             over-again
             here
             .
             I
             have
             repeated
             ,
             for
             the
             most
             part
             ,
             only
             the
             words
             you
             said
             here
             ,
             but
             more
             was
             in
             the
             City
             than
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             swear
             then
             ,
             that
             the
             words
             you
             swear
             now
             were
             spoken
             at
             London
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             may
             be
             we
             might
             not
             name
             Oxford
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             says
             well
             ,
             it
             might
             not
             be
             named
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             you
             did
             give
             in
             your
             Information
             ,
             that
             I
             spoke
             these
             words
             at
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             was
             not
             examined
             about
             what
             was
             done
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             but
             I
             believe
             I
             have
             heard
             you
             speak
             the
             same
             words
             to
             me
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ,
             but
             I
             do
             not
             know
             what
             County
             that
             is
             in
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             ask
             you
             positively
             ,
             Whether
             you
             did
             not
             swear
             that
             what
             you
             now
             say
             was
             spoken
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             was
             spoken
             at
             London
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             not
             name
             Oxford
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             did
             not
             you
             say
             that
             was
             done
             at
             London
             ,
             that
             now
             you
             say
             was
             done
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Truly
             ,
             you
             said
             them
             both
             at
             London
             ,
             and
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             what
             had
             you
             to
             give
             this
             your
             Information
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Truly
             I
             can't
             say
             I
             have
             received
             the
             worth
             of
             a
             Groat
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Nor
             was
             ever
             promised
             any
             thing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             never
             received
             any
             thing
             ,
             nor
             ever
             was
             promised
             ,
             but
             only
             what
             the
             King
             gave
             me
             for
             going
             down
             into
             the
             Country
             for
             my
             Charges
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Was
             that
             the
             same
             Allowance
             you
             had
             when
             you
             were
             Witness
             for
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             any
             other
             Allowance
             than
             what
             you
             had
             before
             ,
             when
             you
             gave
             Evidence
             at
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Tryal
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             nor
             have
             got
             all
             that
             yet
             neither
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             pray
             observe
             my
             Question
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             and
             answer
             it
             .
             Did
             you
             not
             swear
             at
             London
             that
             I
             spoke
             these
             words
             there
             ,
             which
             now
             you
             say
             I
             spoke
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             Pray
             observe
             ,
             he
             says
             he
             did
             not
             then
             name
             Oxford
             ;
             but
             in
             the
             giving
             of
             his
             Evidence
             now
             ,
             he
             tells
             you
             a
             series
             of
             what
             passed
             between
             London
             and
             Oxford
             ;
             and
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             further
             ,
             if
             a
             Treason
             be
             committed
             ,
             and
             the
             Evidence
             prove
             it
             to
             be
             in
             two
             Counties
             ,
             the
             King
             may
             chuse
             which
             County
             he
             will
             prosecute
             and
             bring
             his
             Indictment
             in
             ,
             and
             give
             in
             Evidence
             the
             Facts
             in
             both
             Counties
             .
             But
             you
             shall
             have
             your
             Objection
             to
             it
             afterwards
             ,
             and
             we
             will
             take
             it
             into
             consideration
             .
             I
             tell
             you
             this
             ,
             that
             it
             may
             not
             seem
             to
             you
             that
             the
             Witnesses
             speak
             impertinently
             of
             what
             was
             done
             at
             London
             ;
             but
             if
             nothing
             was
             done
             or
             said
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             then
             it
             will
             be
             taken
             into
             consideration
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             it
             saved
             afterwards
             ,
             I
             only
             hint
             it
             now
             ,
             that
             you
             may
             not
             think
             it
             impertinent
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             beseech
             your
             Lordship
             give
             me
             leave
             to
             speake
             one
             word
             :
             When
             he
             made
             his
             Affidavit
             before
             Sir
             
               Lionel
               Jenkins
            
             there
             about
             seizing
             the
             King
             ,
             about
             the
             Party
             I
             had
             ,
             and
             the
             Arms
             I
             had
             provided
             ,
             ought
             not
             he
             at
             the
             same
             time
             to
             have
             said
             where
             I
             said
             those
             words
             to
             him
             ?
             but
             he
             did
             swear
             then
             it
             was
             in
             London
             that
             I
             said
             those
             words
             to
             him
             ;
             and
             coming
             before
             a
             Grand
             Jury
             of
             honest
             Gentl●men
             in
             London
             ,
             they
             were
             so
             wise
             and
             honest
             as
             to
             do
             me
             Justice
             ,
             and
             not
             find
             the
             ●il●
             ;
             so
             their
             design
             failing
             there
             ,
             then
             they
             changed
             it
             to
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             did
             not
             come
             to
             your
             Tryal
             there
             if
             you
             had
             so
             done
             ,
             then
             they
             would
             have
             asked
             him
             in
             particular
             what
             was
             said
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             what
             at
             London
             ,
             as
             't
             is
             now
             ,
             being
             done
             in
             both
             Counties
             .
             But
             look
             you
             ,
             if
             you
             will
             ask
             any
             particular
             Questions
             ,
             do
             ,
             for
             they
             have
             other
             Witnesses
             to
             produce
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             only
             ask
             this
             Question
             .
             Whether
             it
             be
             not
             rational
             to
             think
             ,
             that
             when
             he
             swore
             before
             Sir
             
               Lionel
               Jenkins
            
             ,
             he
             should
             not
             swear
             the
             words
             were
             spoken
             ,
             and
             things
             done
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             hath
             said
             the
             same
             words
             to
             me
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ,
             as
             I
             lay
             in
             Bed
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             this
             I
             never
             mentioned
             but
             now
             in
             my
             Evidence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             words
             did
             I
             say
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             must
             have
             them
             repeated
             ,
             they
             were
             about
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             were
             they
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             That
             he
             was
             a
             Papist
             ,
             and
             designed
             Arbitrary
             Government
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             say
             so
             to
             you
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             as
             we
             lay
             a
             Bed.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             lie
             together
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             yes
             they
             were
             Intimates
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             had
             not
             six
             words
             with
             you
             when
             you
             went
             to
             Bed
             ,
             for
             you
             said
             you
             were
             weary
             ,
             and
             went
             asleep
             presently
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             you
             said
             this
             in
             the
             morning
             ,
             for
             we
             had
             above
             an
             hours
             discourse
             when
             we
             were
             a
             Bed
             ,
             and
             all
             our
             discourse
             was
             about
             the
             Parliament
             and
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             it
             I
             said
             those
             words
             in
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             Combe's
             Coffee
             House
             was
             one
             place
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Was
             there
             no
             Body
             by
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             but
             at
             the
             Angel
             Inn
             there
             were
             several
             Persons
             standing
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Surely
             then
             some
             of
             those
             heard
             the
             words
             as
             well
             as
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             may
             be
             so
             ,
             I
             am
             sure
             many
             at
             London
             have
             been
             by
             ,
             as
             Mr.
             Starkey
             by
             name
             ▪
             Mr.
             Boson
             ,
             Mr.
             Baldwin
             ;
             they
             have
             rebuked
             you
             for
             it
             ,
             and
             I
             have
             rebuked
             you
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll●dge
             .
          
           
             What
             words
             have
             they
             and
             you
             heard
             ,
             and
             rebuked
             me
             for
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             When
             you
             have
             been
             railing
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             said
             ,
             That
             he
             designed
             nothing
             but
             the
             introducing
             of
             Popery
             ,
             and
             Arbitrary
             Government
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             was
             a
             Papist
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             loves
             to
             hear
             it
             repeated
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Arms
             did
             you
             see
             of
             mine
             in
             this
             Town
             ?
          
        
         
           
             
               M●
               .
               Dugdale
            
             .
          
           
             I
             saw
             Pistols
             ;
             You
             had
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             before
             you
             ,
             and
             you
             had
             some
             Pocket
             Pistols
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             None
             but
             one
             I
             borrowed
             of
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             had
             again
             ;
             had
             I
             ?
             (
             pray
             speak
             )
             did
             you
             see
             any
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             may
             be
             there
             might
             not
             ,
             but
             there
             were
             Pocket-Pistols
             in
             the
             Room
             ,
             and
             you
             had
             them
             in
             your
             hand
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             swore
             but
             now
             that
             he
             saw
             me
             have
             Pocket-Pistols
             ,
             when
             it
             was
             but
             one
             ,
             and
             that
             was
             his
             own
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Heark
             you
             now
             ,
             you
             talk
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             that
             he
             had
             any
             Pistols
             in
             his
             Holsters
             at
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             had
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colle●ge
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             know
             that
             ,
             I
             don't
             deny
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             ●erj
             .
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             I
             think
             a
             Chissel
             might
             have
             been
             more
             proper
             for
             a
             Joyner
             .
          
        
         
           
             C●lledge
          
           
             You
             say
             I
             was
             confederated
             with
             Capt.
             Brown
             ,
             and
             other
             Men.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             told
             me
             that
             Capt.
             Brown
             had
             a
             good
             Allowance
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             pitty
             he
             had
             not
             a
             better
             Allowance
             ;
             and
             you
             would
             speak
             he
             might
             have
             a
             better
             Allowance
             for
             he
             vvas
             able
             to
             do
             good
             service
             vvhen
             the
             time
             came
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             From
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Among
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Among
             vvhom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             know
             there
             vvere
             several
             gatherings
             among
             you
             that
             I
             vvas
             not
             privy
             to
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             I
             know
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Sol.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             You
             know
             Mony
             was
             gathered
             many
             times
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             For
             what
             purpose
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             never
             told
             me
             particulars
             ;
             it
             was
             to
             distribute
             some
             where
             ,
             I
             had
             none
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             does
             not
             say
             these
             men
             were
             concerned
             with
             you
             ,
             but
             you
             said
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             know
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             there
             were
             many
             gatherings
             of
             Moneys
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             tell
             you
             there
             were
             any
             Gatherings
             for
             Capt.
             Brown
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             says
             you
             told
             him
             no
             Particulars
             ;
             if
             you
             have
             a
             mind
             to
             ask
             him
             any
             more
             Questions
             ,
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             Sir
             George
             ,
             don't
             interrupt
             me
             ,
             I
             am
             here
             for
             my
             Life
             .
             Did
             I
             tell
             you
             there
             were
             any
             gatherings
             for
             Capt.
             Brown
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             say
             for
             him
             ,
             nor
             whom
             you
             distributed
             it
             to
             ;
             but
             you
             gathered
             Mony
             one
             among
             another
             ,
             and
             you
             have
             paid
             Mony.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             paid
             Mony
             !
             when
             ,
             and
             to
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             You
             will
             not
             deny
             that
             ,
             you
             confessed
             ,
             upon
             your
             Examination
             ,
             that
             you
             gave
             a
             Guinny
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             did
             you
             see
             me
             any
             more
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             than
             in
             the
             Coffee-House
             ,
             and
             at
             that
             Inn
             ,
             when
             I
             went
             out
             of
             Town
             ,
             and
             was
             going
             home
             with
             the
             City-Members
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Were
             you
             in
             my
             Company
             any
             where
             ,
             but
             in
             those
             two
             places
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             was
             with
             you
             at
             the
             Chequer
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             come
             a
             purpose
             to
             speak
             with
             me
             ,
             or
             had
             you
             any
             business
             particularly
             with
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Truly
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             I
             have
             forgot
             whether
             I
             had
             or
             no
             ,
             I
             was
             in
             the
             Room
             with
             you
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             that
             Room
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             can't
             tell
             all
             the
             Rooms
             in
             that
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Was
             it
             above
             stairs
             ,
             or
             below
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Both
             above
             and
             below
             ,
             two
             days
             I
             was
             there
             with
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Was
             there
             any
             of
             this
             discourse
             you
             speak
             of
             passed
             there
             between
             us
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             I
             was
             with
             you
             in
             those
             two
             places
             I
             mentioned
             before
             ;
             you
             called
             me
             aside
             to
             drink
             a
             glass
             of
             Mum
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             none
             in
             the
             Room
             but
             us
             two
             at
             that
             Coffee-house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             you
             came
             to
             Town
             but
             on
             Friday
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             it
             must
             be
             
               Saturday
               ,
               Sunday
            
             ,
             or
             Monday
             this
             was
             ,
             for
             we
             stayed
             no
             longer
             in
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             I
             came
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             either
             Wednesday
             night
             ,
             or
             Thursday-morning
             ;
             and
             I
             saw
             you
             and
             Mr.
             Hunt
             together
             the
             same
             day
             I
             came
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             explain
             any
             Pictures
             to
             you
             at
             London
             ,
             or
             owned
             I
             was
             the
             Author
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             upon
             my
             Oath
             ,
             you
             have
             explained
             Pictures
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             there
             is
             one
             Picture
             that
             I
             have
             not
             shewed
             yet
             ,
             which
             you
             have
             explained
             what
             the
             meaning
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             your
             common
             trade
             it
             seems
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             told
             me
             you
             got
             them
             done
             .
          
        
         
           Clerk
           reads
           ,
           
             A
             Character
             of
             a
             Popish
             Successor
             ,
          
           &c.
           
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             How
             did
             he
             explain
             it
             to
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             I
             would
             see
             what
             opinion
             he
             had
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ;
             there
             are
             some
             Church-men
             ,
             what
             are
             they
             a
             doing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             They
             are
             a
             parcel
             of
             Tantivy-men
             riding
             to
             Rome
             ;
             and
             here
             's
             the
             Duke
             of
             York
             ,
             half
             Man
             ,
             half
             Devil
             ,
             trumpeting
             before
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             got
             some
             Body
             to
             explain
             these
             things
             to
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             did
             it
             ,
             upon
             my
             Oath
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Oh
             ,
             fie
             upon
             you
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             consider
             what
             you
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             All
             this
             you
             did
             explain
             it
             seems
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             And
             in
             one
             place
             of
             the
             other
             Libel
             the
             King
             was
             termed
             a
             Rogue
             ,
             but
             they
             put
             him
             in
             by
             another
             name
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             in
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             ;
             In
             the
             Manuscript
             it
             was
             ,
             Now
             ,
             now
             the
             Rogue
             is
             down
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Let
             me
             see
             it
             ,
             I
             took
             notice
             of
             it
             ,
             't
             is
             ,
             Now
             ,
             now
             the
             Gyant
             is
             down
             ,
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             ask
             you
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             Whether
             the
             Song
             which
             you
             say
             was
             sung
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ,
             and
             other
             places
             ,
             was
             the
             same
             with
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             general
             it
             is
             ,
             I
             can't
             tell
             for
             every
             word
             :
             You
             sang
             it
             half
             a
             dozen
             times
             there
             ,
             and
             the
             Musick
             plaid
             to
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             ask
             you
             whether
             it
             was
             the
             same
             with
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             can't
             tell
             for
             every
             word
             you
             sang
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Was
             there
             any
             Body
             by
             at
             my
             explaining
             of
             these
             Pictures
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Baldwin
             was
             by
             ,
             and
             reproved
             and
             corrected
             you
             ,
             that
             you
             would
             be
             so
             open
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Was
             there
             any
             Body
             by
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             when
             you
             did
             hear
             me
             talk
             of
             Arming
             my self
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             walking
             up
             and
             down
             in
             the
             Barber's
             Shop
             ,
             and
             I
             know
             not
             whether
             they
             did
             hear
             or
             no.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Was
             that
             Gentleman
             sworn
             at
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Tryal
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             was
             sworn
             there
             ,
             I
             acknowledg
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attorn
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             swear
             any
             thing
             on
             your
             behalf
             ,
             for
             your
             credit
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             was
             by
             hear-say
             ,
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             at
             the
             Tower
             ;
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             my
             own
             knowledg
             ,
             but
             I
             did
             believe
             him
             another
             man
             than
             I
             find
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             No
             question
             ,
             or
             else
             you
             would
             not
             have
             trusted
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Swear
             Stevens
             .
             (
             
               Which
               was
               done
            
             .
             )
             Do
             you
             give
             my
             Lord
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             ,
             an
             account
             where
             you
             found
             this
             precious
             Ballad
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             The
             first
             draught
             I
             found
             in
             his
             Bed-chamber
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             What
             ,
             of
             all
             of
             them
             ?
             which
             is
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             The
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             ;
             We
             found
             the
             first
             Draught
             of
             it
             in
             his
             House
             ,
             when
             we
             came
             to
             search
             his
             Papers
             ,
             by
             Order
             of
             Council
             ,
             and
             the
             Printer
             that
             printed
             the
             Ballad
             ,
             hath
             told
             me
             since
             ,
             he
             had
             it
             from
             him
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             your self
             ?
             speak
             your
             own
             knowledg
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             And
             Mr.
             Atterbury
             was
             by
             when
             we
             searched
             the
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             Mr.
             Atterbury
             will
             tell
             his
             own
             story
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             seen
             you
             on
             Horse-back
             ,
             with
             Holsters
             before
             you
             ,
             with
             some
             hundreds
             of
             men
             after
             you
             ,
             coming
             out
             of
             the
             Bell-savage
             in
             ;
             they
             said
             ,
             you
             were
             going
             to
             chuse
             Parliament
             Men
             :
             I
             have
             known
             you
             three
             or
             four
             Years
             ,
             you
             were
             Joyner
             to
             our
             Hall.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             We
             call
             you
             to
             that
             particular
             of
             the
             Papers
             ,
             and
             you
             run
             out
             in
             a
             story
             of
             a
             Cock
             and
             a
             Bull
             ,
             and
             I
             know
             not
             what
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             Questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             only
             this
             ;
             Do
             you
             swear
             ,
             upon
             your
             Oath
             ,
             that
             you
             found
             the
             Original
             in
             my
             House
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             you
             will
             see
             it
             with
             my
             hand
             to
             it
             ,
             and
             some
             more
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             And
             you
             found
             too
             those
             that
             were
             printed
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             both
             our
             names
             are
             to
             them
             ,
             that
             were
             concerned
             in
             the
             searching
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             found
             the
             Paper
             in
             the
             House
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             Towzer
             ;
             but
             have
             you
             the
             Original
             of
             the
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             ?
          
        
         
           (
           
             It
             was
             looked
             for
             ,
             but
             could
             not
             be
             found
             .
          
           )
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             observe
             ,
             he
             swears
             that
             is
             an
             Original
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             no
             he
             found
             the
             Paper
             in
             your
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             ask
             about
             the
             Original
             of
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             says
             ,
             he
             saw
             a
             Paper
             drawn
             with
             a
             Pencil
             that
             was
             like
             the
             Original
             .
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             an
             Original
             drawn
             with
             a
             Pencil
             ,
             upon
             Dutch
             Paper
             ,
             't
             is
             lost
             since
             ,
             for
             we
             do
             not
             see
             it
             here
             now
             ,
             which
             at
             the
             same
             time
             we
             found
             upon
             Colledge's
             Table
             in
             his
             Bed
             Chamber
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             find
             an
             Original
             of
             that
             in
             my
             Chamber
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             we
             found
             a
             Paper
             drawn
             with
             Black-lead
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             where
             is
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             see
             it
             ,
             it
             was
             drawn
             in
             Black-lead
             ,
             it
             was
             upon
             Dutch-Paper
             ,
             and
             lay
             upon
             the
             Table
             in
             your
             Chamber
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             Sure
             ,
             I
             am
             ,
             it
             was
             taken
             when
             we
             searched
             the
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             sure
             you
             could
             never
             find
             the
             Original
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             in
             my
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Then
             where
             is
             Mr.
             Sewell
             ,
             (
             
               Who
               was
               sworn
            
             .
             )
             Sir
             ,
             did
             you
             see
             that
             Trumpery
             taken
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Sewell
             .
          
           
             I
             had
             a
             Warrant
             to
             seize
             Mr.
             Spur
             ,
             and
             his
             Brother-in-Law
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
             So
             I
             went
             down
             to
             seize
             Mr.
             Spur
             ,
             and
             search
             his
             House
             for
             such
             Papers
             as
             I
             should
             find
             .
             I
             could
             not
             find
             them
             in
             the
             House
             ;
             but
             I
             enquired
             of
             him
             ,
             after
             I
             had
             searched
             ,
             and
             could
             not
             find
             them
             where
             they
             were
             ;
             because
             I
             saw
             him
             at
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             when
             we
             first
             searched
             ;
             he
             denyed
             them
             a
             pretty
             while
             ,
             but
             at
             last
             he
             told
             me
             they
             were
             in
             the
             Hay-mow
             in
             the
             Barn.
             When
             I
             came
             there
             ,
             he
             was
             balling
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             ,
             his
             Wife
             ,
             Colledge's
             Sister
             had
             taken
             them
             down
             ,
             and
             carried
             them
             into
             a
             Room
             where
             I
             had
             searched
             before
             ,
             but
             could
             not
             find
             them
             ;
             and
             the
             man
             was
             angry
             then
             ,
             so
             we
             run
             after
             his
             Wife
             ,
             and
             found
             her
             with
             all
             these
             Papers
             in
             a
             Bag.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Are
             these
             the
             same
             Papers
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Sewell
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ;
             and
             there
             were
             two
             other
             Cuts
             ;
             the
             man
             himself
             is
             about
             the
             place
             somewhere
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             
               Attor
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Swear
             Mr.
             
               John
               Smith
            
             .
          
        
         
           (
           
             Which
             was
             done
          
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Come
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Give
             us
             an
             account
             what
             dealings
             you
             have
             had
             with
             him
             ,
             where
             ,
             and
             when
             ;
             what
             he
             hath
             said
             about
             the
             King
             ;
             and
             tell
             us
             first
             whether
             you
             be
             intimately
             acquainted
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             We
             were
             intimately
             acquainted
             .
             The
             first
             time
             I
             heard
             Mr.
             Colledge
             discoursing
             any
             thing
             of
             this
             nature
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             concerning
             Treason
             ,
             or
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             was
             once
             at
             a
             Coffee-house
             by
             Temple-Bar
             ;
             there
             I
             met
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             he
             told
             me
             he
             was
             invited
             to
             Dinner
             ,
             and
             he
             likewise
             invited
             me
             to
             it
             .
             I
             asked
             him
             ,
             who
             provided
             the
             Dinner
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             it
             was
             one
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             ,
             I
             told
             him
             I
             was
             a
             stranger
             ,
             and
             did
             not
             care
             for
             going
             ;
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             I
             should
             be
             very
             welcome
             there
             ;
             and
             at
             last
             prevailed
             upon
             me
             to
             go
             :
             And
             as
             I
             was
             going
             along
             ,
             I
             asked
             him
             what
             the
             Alderman
             was
             ;
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             he
             was
             a
             man
             that
             was
             as
             true
             as
             steel
             ,
             and
             a
             man
             that
             would
             endeavour
             to
             root
             out
             Popery
             :
             said
             I
             ,
             That
             may
             be
             done
             easily
             ,
             if
             you
             can
             but
             prevail
             with
             the
             King
             to
             pass
             the
             Bill
             against
             the
             D.
             of
             York
             .
             No
             ,
             no
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             you
             are
             mistaken
             ,
             for
             Rowley
             is
             as
             great
             a
             Papist
             as
             the
             Duke
             of
             York
             is
             ,
             (
             
               now
               he
               called
               the
               King
            
             Rowley
             )
             and
             every
             way
             as
             dangerous
             to
             the
             Protestant
             Interest
             ,
             as
             is
             too
             apparent
             by
             his
             Arbitrary
             ruling
             .
             This
             was
             the
             Discourse
             between
             the
             Coffee-House
             and
             the
             Tavern
             where
             we
             went
             to
             dine
             .
             When
             we
             came
             in
             ,
             I
             asked
             Colledge
             again
             ,
             whether
             the
             Alderman
             was
             there
             ;
             he
             said
             he
             was
             not
             there
             at
             that
             time
             :
             I
             asked
             him
             ,
             the
             second
             time
             ,
             what
             kind
             of
             man
             he
             was
             ;
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             was
             one
             that
             lived
             in
             his
             Country-house
             ,
             and
             gave
             freely
             to
             several
             People
             to
             buy
             Arms
             and
             Ammunition
             .
             And
             I
             asked
             him
             to
             what
             purpose
             ?
             and
             he
             said
             ,
             it
             was
             ,
             to
             bring
             the
             King
             to
             submission
             to
             his
             People
             ;
             adding
             thereto
             ,
             That
             he
             wondred
             
               Old
               Rowley
            
             did
             not
             consider
             how
             easily
             his
             Fathers
             Head
             came
             to
             the
             Block
             ,
             which
             he
             doubted
             not
             would
             be
             the
             end
             of
             Rowley
             at
             the
             last
             .
             After
             this
             Discourse
             ,
             the
             Alderman
             came
             in
             ;
             we
             dined
             ,
             and
             every
             one
             went
             his
             own
             way
             about
             his
             own
             Business
             .
             Mr.
             Colledge
             then
             told
             me
             ,
             if
             I
             would
             go
             with
             him
             to
             his
             own
             House
             ,
             I
             should
             see
             how
             he
             was
             prepared
             with
             Arms
             and
             Provision
             .
             Soon
             after
             I
             met
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             he
             desired
             me
             to
             go
             along
             and
             dine
             with
             him
             ;
             and
             I
             did
             so
             ,
             and
             there
             he
             did
             shew
             me
             his
             Pistols
             ,
             his
             Blunderbuss
             ,
             his
             great
             Sword
             ;
             and
             he
             shewed
             me
             his
             Armour
             ,
             Back
             and
             Breast
             ;
             and
             he
             shewed
             me
             his
             Head-piece
             ,
             which
             ,
             if
             I
             am
             not
             mistaken
             ,
             was
             covered
             over
             with
             Chamlet
             ,
             it
             was
             a
             very
             fine
             ,
             thing
             ;
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             These
             are
             the
             things
             which
             will
             destroy
             the
             pittiful
             Guards
             of
             Rowley
             ,
             that
             are
             kept
             up
             contrary
             to
             Law
             and
             Justice
             ,
             to
             set
             up
             Arbitrary
             Power
             and
             Popery
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             I
             say
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             about
             my
             Armour
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Thus
             you
             said
             ;
             It
             was
             to
             destroy
             Rowley's
             Guards
             ,
             (
             those
             were
             your
             words
             )
             that
             were
             kept
             up
             contrary
             to
             Law
             and
             Justice
             ,
             to
             set
             up
             Arbitrary
             Power
             and
             Popery
             .
             After
             I
             had
             dined
             with
             him
             ,
             I
             parted
             with
             him
             .
             A
             little
             before
             the
             Parliament
             was
             to
             meet
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             I
             met
             him
             again
             ;
             and
             we
             were
             discoursing
             of
             several
             things
             ,
             what
             preparations
             the
             City
             were
             making
             ,
             how
             they
             were
             provided
             with
             Powder
             and
             Bullets
             ,
             and
             for
             his
             part
             he
             would
             go
             down
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             for
             he
             expected
             a
             little
             sport
             there
             ,
             upon
             the
             Divisions
             that
             were
             like
             to
             be
             between
             the
             King
             and
             Parliament
             .
             Then
             said
             I
             to
             him
             ,
             Why
             ,
             what
             is
             the
             matter
             there
             ?
             Why
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             we
             expect
             that
             the
             King
             will
             seize
             upon
             some
             of
             the
             Members
             ,
             and
             we
             are
             as
             ready
             as
             he
             .
             And
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             for
             my
             part
             ,
             I
             will
             be
             there
             ,
             and
             be
             one
             that
             shall
             seize
             Him
             if
             he
             secure
             any
             of
             the
             Members
             ,
             (
             and
             I
             believe
             he
             did
             go
             down
             )
             ;
             says
             he
             ,
             you
             know
             how
             the
             City
             is
             provided
             :
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             No
             ,
             not
             so
             well
             as
             he
             ;
             but
             he
             told
             me
             all
             was
             very
             well
             .
             After
             he
             came
             up
             again
             ,
             I
             met
             him
             another
             time
             ,
             and
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             He
             went
             down
             in
             expectation
             of
             some
             sport
             ;
             but
             
               Old
               Rowley
            
             was
             afraid
             ,
             like
             his
             Grand-father
             Jamy
             ,
             and
             so
             ran
             away
             like
             to
             beshit
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             say
             ,
             If
             he
             had
             not
             ran
             away
             he
             would
             have
             seized
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             nothing
             of
             that
             ,
             but
             before
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             He
             would
             be
             one
             of
             them
             should
             seize
             him
             ,
             if
             he
             seized
             any
             of
             the
             Members
             .
             After
             this
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             that
             
               Fitz
               Gerald
            
             and
             he
             had
             had
             a
             quarrel
             at
             the
             Parliament-Door
             of
             the
             House
             of
             Lords
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             that
             Fitz-Gerald
             had
             called
             him
             Rogue
             ;
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             Fitz-Gerald
             made
             my
             Nose
             bleed
             ;
             but
             before
             long
             ,
             I
             hope
             to
             see
             a
             great
             deal
             more
             Blood
             shed
             for
             the
             Cause
             .
             After
             this
             again
             ,
             when
             there
             was
             a
             discourse
             of
             disarming
             the
             City
             ,
             
             that
             my
             Lord
             Feversham
             was
             to
             come
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             he
             was
             well
             provided
             ,
             and
             if
             Feversham
             ,
             or
             any
             man
             ,
             nay
             Rowley
             himself
             should
             attempt
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             he
             would
             be
             the
             death
             of
             him
             ,
             before
             any
             man
             should
             seize
             upon
             his
             Arms.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             discourse
             any
             thing
             to
             you
             about
             Arms
             to
             provide
             your self
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             did
             ,
             I
             had
             an
             Armour
             from
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             say
             to
             you
             about
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             desire
             me
             to
             get
             me
             Arms
             ,
             for
             I
             did
             not
             know
             how
             soon
             I
             might
             make
             use
             of
             them
             .
             I
             had
             an
             Armour
             from
             him
             upon
             trial
             ;
             he
             said
             ,
             it
             cost
             him
             30
             or
             40
             s.
             I
             had
             it
             upon
             trial
             ,
             but
             it
             was
             too
             big
             for
             me
             ,
             so
             I
             gave
             it
             him
             back
             ,
             and
             bought
             a
             new
             one
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             to
             what
             purpose
             you
             should
             Arm
             your self
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             name
             any
             purpose
             ,
             but
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             know
             how
             soon
             I
             might
             make
             use
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             say
             to
             you
             about
             any
             one's
             seizing
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             He
             told
             me
             ,
             the
             Parliament
             were
             agreed
             to
             secure
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             that
             in
             order
             to
             it
             ,
             all
             Parliament-men
             came
             very
             well
             Armed
             ,
             and
             accompanied
             with
             Arms
             and
             Men
             ;
             and
             he
             told
             me
             of
             a
             great
             Man
             that
             had
             notice
             from
             all
             the
             Gentlemen
             of
             England
             how
             well
             they
             came
             armed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             say
             of
             himself
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             He
             would
             be
             one
             that
             should
             secure
             the
             King
             ,
             if
             he
             seized
             any
             of
             the
             Members
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             When
             he
             had
             been
             there
             ,
             what
             did
             he
             say
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             If
             they
             had
             had
             any
             work
             ,
             he
             was
             ready
             provided
             for
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             ,
             pray
             ,
             tell
             us
             again
             what
             he
             said
             of
             the
             King
             's
             running
             away
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             ,
             Rowley
             was
             afraid
             ,
             like
             his
             Grand-father
             Jamy
             ,
             and
             ran
             away
             ready
             to
             beshit
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             have
             done
             with
             him
             ,
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             let
             the
             Prisoner
             ask
             him
             what
             Questions
             he
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             Where
             was
             this
             Discourse
             I
             had
             with
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Which
             do
             you
             mean
             ,
             the
             former
             part
             or
             the
             latter
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             The
             first
             discourse
             you
             talk
             of
             ,
             what
             I
             told
             you
             going
             to
             Mr.
             Wilcox's
             to
             dinner
             ;
             and
             when
             it
             was
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             You
             know
             best
             when
             it
             was
             ,
             I
             can't
             exactly
             remember
             the
             time
             ,
             but
             you
             know
             't
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             As
             we
             went
             along
             thither
             we
             had
             the
             first
             part
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             when
             we
             came
             thither
             ,
             you
             and
             I
             talked
             till
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             came
             in
             ;
             and
             you
             and
             I
             were
             alone
             together
             ,
             and
             several
             Persons
             that
             were
             there
             ,
             were
             drawn
             into
             Cabals
             ,
             two
             by
             two
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             Room
             where
             we
             dined
             ;
             and
             you
             know
             there
             was
             a
             little
             Room
             by
             ,
             where
             some
             were
             drinking
             a
             Glass
             of
             Wine
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             ,
             by
             two
             and
             two
             ,
             the
             Company
             were
             drawn
             into
             Cabals
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             tell
             you
             most
             of
             them
             were
             in
             Cabals
             ,
             two
             and
             two
             together
             ,
             only
             those
             2
             Gentlemen
             that
             belonged
             to
             the
             Alderman
             went
             up
             &
             down
             and
             gave
             Wine
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Religion
             are
             you
             of
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Is
             it
             for
             this
             Man
             to
             ask
             me
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             such
             a
             Question
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             answer
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             a
             Protestant
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             were
             a
             Priest
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             what
             then
             ?
             and
             I
             am
             in
             Orders
             now
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             was
             from
             the
             Church
             of
             Rome
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             a
             good
             Ordination
             ;
             I
             came
             in
             voluntarily
             to
             discover
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             and
             was
             no
             Pentioner
             ,
             nor
             received
             any
             Sallary
             from
             the
             King.
             I
             have
             spent
             several
             Pounds
             ,
             several
             scores
             of
             Pounds
             ,
             but
             received
             no
             Recompence
             .
             And
             I
             was
             the
             Darling
             at
             one
             time
             all
             over
             the
             City
             ,
             when
             I
             did
             adhere
             to
             what
             they
             would
             have
             me
             to
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Did
             not
             you
             swear
             against
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Were
             not
             you
             a
             Witness
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             at
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             In
             that
             Case
             I
             did
             give
             a
             general
             account
             of
             the
             Design
             of
             the
             Papists
             ;
             they
             did
             not
             then
             question
             my
             Reputation
             ,
             and
             I
             defie
             all
             the
             World
             to
             say
             any
             thing
             against
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             hear
             me
             Sir
             ,
             if
             you
             please
             ;
             the
             first
             discourse
             that
             you
             speak
             of
             about
             Mr.
             Wilcox's
             being
             a
             good
             Man
             for
             the
             Cause
             ,
             and
             contributing
             Mony
             ,
             this
             was
             when
             we
             were
             at
             Dinner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             This
             was
             that
             day
             when
             we
             went
             to
             dinner
             with
             him
             ,
             you
             know
             it
             very
             well
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             were
             the
             other
             Discourses
             I
             had
             with
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Which
             part
             of
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             When
             I
             came
             from
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             By
             the
             Ditch
             side
             ,
             by
             your
             own
             House
             ;
             I
             have
             two
             or
             three
             to
             prove
             it
             ,
             we
             were
             an
             hour
             or
             two
             discoursing
             together
             about
             this
             Business
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Business
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             tells
             you
             of
             two
             Discourses
             ,
             one
             before
             you
             went
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             one
             after
             you
             came
             from
             thence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             does
             say
             ,
             that
             I
             discoursed
             him
             about
             our
             coming
             down
             hither
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             That
             the
             Parliament
             would
             secure
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             would
             be
             one
             of
             them
             that
             should
             seize
             him
             ,
             and
             this
             was
             at
             the
             time
             when
             we
             dined
             with
             Alder.
             Wilcox
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch
             J.
             
          
           
             Not
             so
             ,
             he
             says
             after
             that
             time
             ,
             and
             before
             you
             went
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             he
             had
             such
             a
             discourse
             with
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             so
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             And
             does
             he
             speak
             of
             another
             time
             when
             I
             shewed
             him
             the
             Back
             ,
             Breast
             ,
             and
             Arms
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             he
             said
             ,
             I
             discoursed
             then
             ,
             that
             the
             City
             was
             provided
             with
             Arms
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Parliament
             were
             resolved
             to
             bring
             the
             King
             to
             submission
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             When
             I
             was
             in
             the
             House
             with
             him
             ,
             he
             then
             said
             Mr.
             Wilcox
             gave
             Mony
             to
             provide
             Arms
             :
             I
             asked
             for
             what
             ?
             he
             said
             ,
             it
             was
             to
             bring
             the
             King
             to
             submission
             to
             his
             People
             ;
             and
             then
             he
             added
             ,
             he
             admired
             that
             Rowley
             did
             not
             remember
             how
             easily
             his
             Fathers
             Head
             came
             to
             the
             Block
             ;
             and
             he
             doubted
             not
             but
             that
             would
             be
             the
             end
             of
             him
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             spake
             of
             several
             times
             you
             know
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             know
             one
             word
             of
             it
             ,
             nor
             can
             distinguish
             the
             times
             :
             But
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             the
             last
             discourse
             you
             say
             about
             Oxford
             business
             ,
             was
             by
             the
             Ditch
             side
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             The
             discourse
             about
             bringing
             the
             King
             to
             submission
             ,
             was
             in
             the
             way
             as
             you
             went
             to
             dinner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             The
             last
             discourse
             when
             you
             returned
             from
             Oxford
             ,
             was
             by
             the
             Ditch
             side
             ;
             but
             both
             before
             and
             after
             you
             spake
             to
             me
             at
             that
             place
             about
             this
             design
             of
             bringing
             the
             King
             to
             submission
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             said
             it
             was
             at
             Wilcox's
             at
             Dinner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             mistook
             him
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             Sir
             George
             ,
             you
             took
             him
             not
             right
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             I
             have
             taken
             him
             right
             I
             assure
             you
             ,
             and
             you
             shall
             see
             it
             by
             and
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             is
             the
             falsest
             Man
             that
             ever
             spoke
             with
             a
             tongue
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Attor
             .
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Swear
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             .
             (
             
               Which
               was
               done
            
             .
             )
             Tell
             my
             Lord
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             ,
             whether
             you
             know
             this
             Gentleman
             ,
             what
             converse
             you
             have
             had
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             what
             discourse
             he
             hath
             had
             with
             you
             .
             Apply
             your self
             to
             Mr.
             Colledges
             Business
             only
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             suppose
             he
             will
             not
             deny
             but
             that
             he
             knows
             me
             very
             well
             ;
             I
             have
             been
             acquainted
             with
             him
             ever
             since
             March
             last
             ,
             before
             the
             sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             Warrant
             against
             me
             for
             High-Treason
             ;
             and
             I
             made
             my
             application
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             desired
             him
             to
             go
             to
             a
             certain
             Person
             of
             Honour
             in
             England
             ,
             and
             ask
             his
             advice
             ,
             Whether
             I
             might
             supersede
             the
             Warrant
             by
             putting
             in
             Bayl
             ,
             and
             carry
             the
             Supersedeas
             in
             my
             Pocket
             :
             Mr.
             Colledge
             told
             me
             he
             would
             go
             to
             this
             Person
             of
             Honour
             ,
             for
             he
             would
             do
             nothing
             of
             his
             own
             head
             ;
             and
             he
             bid
             me
             come
             to
             him
             the
             next
             day
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             came
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             the
             very
             next
             day
             ,
             and
             I
             met
             him
             at
             his
             House
             ,
             and
             I
             asked
             him
             what
             was
             the
             result
             ,
             and
             what
             advice
             he
             had
             from
             that
             Person
             of
             Quality
             ;
             he
             bid
             me
             be
             of
             good
             chear
             ,
             that
             the
             Parliament
             would
             be
             ,
             and
             fit
             at
             Oxford
             soon
             ;
             that
             I
             should
             not
             value
             the
             King
             a
             pin
             ,
             for
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             the
             King
             is
             in
             a
             worse
             condition
             than
             you
             or
             I
             ;
             for
             you
             shall
             see
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             he
             shall
             be
             called
             to
             an
             account
             for
             all
             his
             Actions
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Who
             should
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             The
             King
             ;
             for
             all
             the
             World
             may
             see
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             that
             he
             does
             resolve
             to
             bring
             in
             Arbitrary
             Power
             ,
             and
             Popery
             :
             And
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             unless
             he
             will
             let
             the
             Parliament
             sit
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             since
             he
             hath
             called
             them
             together
             ,
             and
             put
             the
             People
             to
             charges
             
             in
             chusing
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             them
             in
             coming
             down
             ,
             we
             will
             seize
             him
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             bring
             him
             to
             the
             Block
             ,
             as
             we
             did
             the
             Logger-head
             his
             Father
             .
             The
             Parliament
             shall
             sit
             at
             Guildhall
             ,
             and
             adjust
             the
             Grievances
             of
             the
             Subject
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             Nation
             .
             And
             you
             shall
             see
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             that
             no
             King
             of
             his
             Race
             shall
             ever
             reign
             in
             England
             after
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             J.
             
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             he
             said
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             At
             his
             own
             House
             I
             met
             him
             ;
             and
             he
             and
             I
             did
             walk
             all
             along
             from
             his
             own
             House
             ,
             over
             the
             Bridge
             that
             is
             against
             Bridewel
             ,
             and
             so
             went
             all
             along
             till
             we
             came
             to
             the
             Hercules-Pillars
             ,
             and
             we
             had
             some
             discourse
             there
             ;
             we
             went
             up
             one
             pair
             of
             stairs
             and
             called
             for
             some
             Beef
             ;
             and
             all
             this
             discourse
             was
             in
             that
             very
             place
             of
             the
             Hercules
             Pillars
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             any
             Arms
             he
             had
             ,
             and
             for
             what
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             But
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             said
             I
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             how
             can
             this
             be
             done
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             thing
             impossible
             .
             You
             pretend
             ,
             you
             say
             ,
             to
             the
             Duke
             of
             Monmouth
             ,
             that
             he
             is
             a
             fine
             Prince
             ,
             and
             stands
             up
             for
             the
             Protestant
             Interest
             :
             Alas
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             we
             make
             an
             Idol
             of
             him
             to
             adumbrate
             our
             Actions
             ,
             for
             fear
             we
             should
             be
             discovered
             .
             Do
             you
             think
             the
             wise
             People
             of
             England
             shall
             ever
             make
             a
             Bastard
             upon
             Record
             King
             of
             England
             ;
             No
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             for
             tho'
             we
             praise
             his
             Actions
             ,
             yet
             we
             cannot
             endure
             him
             ,
             because
             he
             is
             against
             his
             own
             Father
             .
             But
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             further
             ,
             unless
             the
             King
             do
             expel
             from
             his
             Council
             the
             Earl
             of
             Clarendon
             ,
             cunning
             
               Lory
               Hide
            
             ;
             the
             Earl
             of
             Hallifax
             ,
             that
             great
             turn
             coat
             Rogue
             ,
             that
             was
             before
             so
             much
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             a
             Rascal
             ,
             we
             shall
             see
             him
             hang'd
             ,
             and
             all
             the
             Tory
             Counsellors
             ;
             except
             the
             King
             do
             it
             ,
             we
             will
             make
             England
             too
             hot
             for
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Who
             did
             I
             say
             this
             to
             ?
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             to
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             how
             could
             this
             be
             possible
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             you
             knew
             my
             condition
             ;
             and
             I
             intimated
             to
             you
             at
             that
             time
             ,
             That
             I
             was
             as
             much
             for
             Treason
             and
             Villany
             as
             you
             :
             But
             then
             said
             I
             to
             him
             ,
             how
             can
             this
             be
             done
             ?
             Here
             you
             have
             neither
             Officers
             ,
             nor
             Men
             of
             Experience
             ,
             nor
             Men
             of
             Knowledg
             ;
             nor
             you
             have
             no
             Ammunition
             ,
             Sea-port
             Towns
             ,
             nor
             Ships
             .
             And
             besides
             ,
             the
             King
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             hath
             a
             great
             Party
             in
             the
             Land
             ,
             and
             the
             Duke
             of
             York
             likewise
             ;
             and
             for
             all
             the
             Men
             of
             Estates
             ,
             and
             the
             Ancient
             Gentlemen
             ,
             they
             will
             not
             be
             disturbed
             ,
             and
             to
             quit
             their
             Ease
             for
             a
             Civil
             War.
             Oh
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             you
             are
             mistaken
             ,
             for
             we
             have
             in
             the
             City
             1500
             Barrels
             of
             Powder
             ,
             and
             we
             have
             100000
             Men
             ready
             at
             an
             hours
             warning
             ;
             and
             we
             have
             ordered
             every
             thing
             in
             a
             due
             method
             against
             the
             sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             and
             you
             shall
             see
             England
             the
             most
             glorious
             Nation
             in
             the
             World
             ,
             when
             we
             have
             cut
             oft
             that
             beastly
             fellow
             Rowley
             ;
             and
             speaking
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             came
             of
             the
             Race
             of
             Buggerers
             ,
             for
             his
             Grandfather
             ,
             King
             James
             ,
             buggered
             the
             old
             Duke
             of
             Buckingham
             ;
             and
             he
             called
             him
             Captain
             ,
             and
             sometimes
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             sometimes
             Rowley
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             This
             was
             pure
             Protestant
             discourse
             upon
             my
             word
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Then
             he
             railed
             at
             Judg
             Pemberton
             ;
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             let
             him
             try
             Fitz-Harris
             if
             he
             dare
             ;
             I
             shall
             see
             him
             go
             to
             Tyburn
             for
             it
             ,
             I
             hope
             ,
             a
             Turn-coat
             Rogue
             .
             He
             was
             for
             the
             Plot
             whilst
             he
             was
             puisne
             Judge
             ,
             but
             now
             he
             is
             Chief
             Justice
             ,
             he
             is
             the
             greatest
             Rogue
             in
             the
             World.
             He
             is
             like
             one
             of
             the
             Pentioners
             in
             the
             long
             Parliament
             .
             So
             one
             day
             I
             went
             along
             with
             Mrs.
             Fitz-Harris
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Ivy
             ,
             and
             he
             sent
             a
             Man
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             desired
             me
             to
             come
             to
             the
             Hog
             in
             Armor
             ;
             thither
             we
             came
             ,
             and
             met
             him
             ,
             and
             went
             to
             his
             Lodgings
             ,
             and
             there
             we
             dined
             .
             Then
             they
             made
             some
             Persons
             of
             Honour
             believe
             ,
             that
             I
             was
             a
             Person
             so
             and
             so
             qualified
             ,
             and
             was
             brim
             full
             of
             the
             Plot
             ;
             and
             he
             would
             put
             me
             upon
             charging
             the
             King
             with
             the
             firing
             of
             London
             ,
             and
             the
             murder
             of
             Sir
             
               Edmondbury
               Godfrey
            
             ,
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             such
             and
             such
             Lords
             shall
             live
             and
             die
             by
             you
             ;
             and
             besides
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             you
             need
             not
             fear
             England
             shall
             espouse
             your
             Cause
             .
             But
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             the
             Law
             is
             like
             a
             Spiders
             Web
             ,
             that
             catches
             the
             little
             Flies
             ,
             but
             the
             great
             Flies
             run
             through
             the
             Net
             ,
             and
             make
             their
             escape
             ;
             so
             't
             is
             with
             these
             Lords
             ,
             they
             put
             you
             and
             me
             on
             the
             danger
             of
             acting
             ;
             and
             when
             they
             get
             off
             by
             interest
             ,
             a
             Jury
             of
             12
             Men
             will
             hang
             us
             by
             the
             Neck
             ,
             and
             so
             I
             should
             perish
             ,
             whilst
             others
             triumphed
             ,
             and
             only
             be
             a
             Martyr
             for
             the
             Phanaticks
             .
             So
             in
             discourse
             we
             were
             talking
             of
             the
             Libel
             of
             Fitz-Harris
             ;
             The
             Devil
             take
             me
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             every
             individual
             word
             is
             as
             true
             as
             God
             is
             in
             Heaven
             ,
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             if
             you
             do
             not
             joyn
             with
             Fitz-Harris
             in
             his
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             charge
             the
             King
             home
             ,
             you
             are
             the
             basest
             fellow
             in
             the
             World
             ,
             for
             he
             makes
             you
             slaves
             and
             beggars
             ,
             and
             would
             make
             all
             the
             World
             so
             ;
             and
             't
             is
             a
             kind
             of
             charity
             to
             charge
             him
             home
             ,
             that
             we
             may
             be
             rid
             of
             such
             a
             Tyrant
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             
               Serjeant
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             if
             you
             will
             ask
             him
             any
             Questions
             ,
             you
             may
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Certainly
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             the
             thing
             speaks
             it
             ;
             he
             is
             not
             to
             be
             talked
             withal
             ;
             Is
             it
             probable
             I
             should
             talk
             to
             an
             Irish-man
             that
             does
             not
             understand
             Sense
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             better
             to
             be
             an
             honest
             Irish-man
             ,
             than
             an
             English
             Rogue
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             does
             it
             but
             to
             put
             you
             into
             a
             heat
             ,
             don't
             be
             passionate
             with
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             am
             not
             ,
             I
             thank
             God
             he
             hath
             not
             put
             me
             into
             an
             heat
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             discourse
             about
             superseding
             your
             Warrant
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             At
             London
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             When
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             before
             the
             Parliament
             fate
             at
             Oxon.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             can't
             tell
             positively
             to
             an
             hour
             or
             a
             day
             ▪
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Moneth
             as
             near
             as
             you
             can
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             in
             the
             Moneth
             of
             March.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Had
             you
             ever
             seen
             me
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Can
             you
             deny
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             ask
             you
             whether
             you
             have
             or
             no
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             have
             seen
             you
             in
             the
             Coffee-Houses
             bawling
             against
             the
             Government
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             Chief
             Just
             .
          
           
             Were
             you
             an
             intimate
             Acquaintance
             of
             his
             before
             March
             last
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             No
             intimate
             Acquaintance
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             this
             is
             the
             first
             time
             you
             discoursed
             with
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Oh
             ,
             no
             my
             Lord.
             One
             and
             I
             fell
             out
             at
             the
             Queens-Head
             Tavern
             at
             
               Temple
               Barr
            
             ,
             and
             he
             sat
             me
             upon
             the
             business
             ,
             and
             
               John
               Macnamarra
            
             and
             others
             ,
             and
             truly
             I
             did
             the
             business
             for
             him
             .
             For
             we
             fell
             out
             and
             did
             box
             ,
             and
             our
             Swords
             were
             taken
             from
             us
             ,
             and
             I
             went
             to
             
               John
               Macnamarra
            
             and
             told
             him
             ,
             Yonder
             is
             such
             a
             man
             at
             such
             a
             place
             ,
             now
             you
             may
             seize
             upon
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             man
             was
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             One
             
               Richard
               Ponre
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             belonged
             to
             my
             Lord
             Tyrone
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             there
             were
             Warrants
             to
             take
             him
             .
             Do
             you
             say
             I
             set
             you
             upon
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             you
             were
             with
             me
             the
             Night
             before
             ,
             and
             Capt.
             Browne
             ,
             and
             they
             gave
             us
             a
             Signal
             ,
             a
             Blew
             Ribband
             to
             distinguish
             that
             we
             were
             Protestants
             from
             the
             Bishops
             men
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just.
             
          
           
             When
             were
             you
             to
             make
             Use
             of
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             When
             the
             King
             was
             seized
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             go
             on
             ,
             have
             you
             any
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             further
             ,
             after
             he
             came
             from
             Oxon.
             I
             met
             him
             ,
             and
             said
             I
             ,
             Where
             are
             now
             all
             your
             Cracks
             and
             Brags
             ?
             now
             you
             see
             the
             King
             hath
             made
             a
             Fool
             of
             you
             ;
             now
             you
             know
             not
             what
             you
             would
             have
             done
             .
             Sayes
             he
             ,
             What
             would
             you
             have
             us
             do
             ?
             We
             have
             not
             done
             with
             him
             yet
             :
             for
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             no
             Servant
             ,
             no
             man
             living
             did
             know
             whether
             he
             would
             Dissolve
             the
             Parliament
             that
             day
             .
             I
             was
             that
             very
             nick
             of
             time
             at
             the
             Lobby
             of
             the
             Lords
             House
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             a
             man
             came
             in
             with
             a
             Gown
             under
             his
             Arm
             ,
             and
             every
             one
             looked
             upon
             him
             to
             be
             a
             Taylor
             ,
             and
             no
             body
             did
             suspect
             ,
             no
             not
             his
             intimatest
             Friends
             ,
             except
             it
             were
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             ,
             that
             he
             would
             Dissolve
             the
             Parliament
             that
             day
             ;
             but
             presently
             he
             puts
             on
             his
             Robes
             ,
             and
             sends
             away
             for
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             ;
             and
             when
             he
             had
             Dissolved
             them
             ,
             before
             ever
             ▪
             the
             House
             could
             get
             down
             ,
             he
             took
             Coach
             and
             went
             away
             ,
             otherwise
             the
             Parliament
             had
             been
             too
             hard
             ,
             for
             him
             ;
             for
             there
             was
             never
             a
             Parliament-Man
             but
             had
             divers
             armed
             men
             to
             wait
             on
             him
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             my
             Blunderbuss
             and
             my
             man
             to
             wait
             upon
             me
             .
             But
             well
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             God
             above
             will
             rule
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Hold
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             I
             desire
             to
             ask
             him
             some
             Questions
             .
             You
             say
             the
             first
             time
             that
             I
             saw
             you
             ,
             you
             had
             this
             discourse
             with
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Do
             not
             use
             Tautologies
             ,
             'T
             is
             not
             the
             first
             time
             I
             have
             been
             Examined
             ,
             I
             know
             how
             to
             speak
             as
             well
             as
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Answer
             my
             Question
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             You
             know
             it
             was
             after
             I
             had
             made
             Affidavit
             before
             the
             Recorder
             of
             London
             ,
             a
             Copy
             of
             which
             was
             carried
             to
             that
             Noble-man
             ;
             And
             you
             came
             from
             him
             and
             returned
             me
             his
             Thanks
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             it
             was
             the
             best
             Service
             I
             could
             do
             him
             .
             I
             would
             not
             trouble
             the
             Court
             with
             Circumstantial
             things
             ;
             and
             you
             told
             me
             I
             should
             be
             gratified
             not
             only
             in
             my
             own
             Property
             ,
             but
             a
             Reward
             for
             me
             and
             my
             heirs
             for
             ever
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             For
             what
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             made
             Affidavit
             before
             the
             Recorder
             of
             London
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             About
             what
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Concerning
             one
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Is
             it
             to
             this
             matter
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             nothing
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             Chief
             Just.
             
          
           
             Let
             him
             ask
             any
             Questions
             what
             he
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             ask
             when
             it
             was
             the
             first
             time
             you
             were
             acquainted
             with
             me
             so
             much
             as
             to
             know
             me
             well
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             the
             first
             time
             of
             intimacy
             ,
             here
             is
             Macnamarra
             will
             take
             his
             Corporal
             Oath
             that
             I
             was
             as
             well
             acquainted
             with
             him
             as
             any
             one
             in
             the
             World.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             answer
             me
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             When
             was
             the
             first
             time
             I
             talked
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             The
             first
             intimate
             acquaintance
             we
             had
             ,
             was
             when
             you
             put
             me
             upon
             the
             Design
             about
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Sir
             ,
             You
             go
             too
             fast
             already
             ,
             as
             you
             are
             still
             gallopping
             ;
             where
             was
             this
             discourse
             about
             his
             Majesty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             told
             you
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             went
             to
             you
             after
             the
             Affidavit
             was
             made
             ,
             and
             told
             you
             there
             was
             a
             Warrant
             out
             after
             me
             ,
             and
             desired
             you
             to
             go
             to
             That
             Noble-man
             and
             desire
             his
             Advice
             what
             I
             might
             do
             ,
             or
             whether
             I
             might
             supersede
             the
             Warrant
             .
             You
             told
             me
             you
             could
             do
             nothing
             without
             advice
             ,
             and
             you
             would
             go
             and
             advise
             with
             That
             Noble-man
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             here
             is
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             come
             in
             ,
             they
             will
             over-hear
             one
             another
             ;
             pray
             let
             me
             have
             fair
             Play
             for
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           (
           whereupon
           Turbervile
           withdrew
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Can't
             you
             answer
             him
             ?
             when
             was
             the
             first
             time
             you
             came
             acquainted
             with
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             When
             was
             the
             first
             discourse
             you
             had
             with
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             In
             April
             last
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             it
             was
             before
             the
             Sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             that
             was
             in
             March.
             
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             meant
             in
             March.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             So
             indeed
             you
             said
             at
             first
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             never
             did
             say
             the
             day
             of
             the
             Month
             ,
             nor
             the
             Month
             neither
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             was
             it
             before
             the
             Sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             ,
             truely
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             precisely
             how
             long
             it
             was
             before
             the
             Sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             but
             I
             am
             sure
             it
             was
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             take
             it
             that
             he
             said
             it
             was
             before
             the
             Sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             now
             he
             says
             in
             the
             Month
             of
             March.
             Pray
             at
             that
             time
             he
             talked
             to
             you
             ,
             did
             not
             he
             tell
             you
             of
             the
             Sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             would
             stand
             by
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             hath
             said
             it
             already
             ,
             you
             need
             not
             direct
             him
             ,
             Sir
             George
             ,
             he
             goes
             fast
             enough
             .
             But
             you
             say
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             the
             first
             time
             I
             ever
             was
             acquainted
             with
             you
             was
             in
             March
             ,
             then
             Gentlemen
             consider
             whether
             it
             be
             probable
             that
             at
             that
             time
             I
             should
             discourse
             to
             him
             after
             this
             manner
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             Just
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             what
             he
             says
             ,
             He
             said
             the
             first
             time
             he
             was
             intimately
             
             acquainted
             with
             you
             ,
             was
             in
             March
             ,
             he
             said
             he
             had
             before
             seen
             you
             in
             Coffee-houses
             ,
             and
             he
             is
             sure
             it
             was
             before
             the
             Sitting
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ;
             for
             he
             tells
             you
             the
             discourse
             you
             had
             ,
             and
             by
             that
             discourse
             it
             appears
             ,
             it
             related
             to
             a
             Parliament
             that
             was
             afterwards
             to
             Sit.
             And
             then
             to
             give
             you
             a
             more
             particular
             Circumstance
             ,
             he
             says
             that
             you
             put
             him
             upon
             the
             making
             of
             the
             Affidavit
             about
             Fitz-Girald
             ,
             and
             so
             you
             came
             acquainted
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Ask
             Mr.
             Attorney
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             that
             day
             he
             was
             taken
             and
             carried
             to
             Whitehall
             before
             the
             Secretary
             of
             State
             ;
             He
             said
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             know
             who
             it
             should
             be
             that
             should
             accuse
             me
             ,
             I
             believe
             it
             is
             Ivy
             ;
             as
             for
             Haynes
             ,
             he
             was
             taken
             t'other
             day
             ;
             he
             was
             an
             honest
             man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             I
             desired
             you
             to
             make
             an
             Affidavit
             ,
             was
             it
             after
             that
             or
             before
             I
             had
             that
             discourse
             with
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             after
             .
             For
             I
             came
             and
             desired
             you
             to
             go
             to
             such
             a
             Person
             of
             Quality
             ,
             and
             you
             went
             to
             him
             and
             advised
             with
             him
             ;
             and
             then
             the
             next
             Morning
             such
             discourse
             as
             I
             told
             your
             Lordship
             and
             the
             whole
             Court
             of
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             speak
             these
             Treasonable
             words
             after
             the
             Affidavit
             made
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             You
             said
             I
             must
             make
             such
             an
             Affidavit
             concerning
             Fitz-Girald
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             was
             this
             Treasonable
             discourse
             before
             you
             made
             the
             Affidavit
             ,
             or
             after
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             After
             the
             Affidavit
             made
             ,
             you
             told
             me
             this
             .
             When
             I
             came
             to
             his
             house
             ,
             and
             from
             thence
             ,
             we
             went
             to
             the
             Hercules
             Pillars
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             more
             Questions
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             ever
             speak
             with
             me
             in
             you
             .
             Life
             before
             Macnamarra
             did
             call
             me
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-House
             to
             go
             along
             with
             you
             ,
             where
             you
             would
             discover
             a
             design
             against
             my
             Lord
             Shaftesbury's
             Life
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             told
             you
             I
             never
             had
             any
             intimate
             acquaintance
             with
             you
             in
             my
             Life
             before
             ,
             nor
             did
             I
             ever
             speak
             with
             you
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             When
             was
             that
             discourse
             ,
             I
             ask
             you
             once
             again
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             After
             the
             Affidavit
             made
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             Night
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Within
             a
             Week
             or
             thereabouts
             after
             the
             Affidavit
             made
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             
               Edward
               Turbervile
            
             .
             But
             Mr.
             Haynes
             ,
             I
             would
             ask
             you
             one
             Question
             ,
             Did
             he
             deliver
             you
             any
             Ribband
             as
             a
             mark
             of
             distinction
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             here
             it
             is
             .
          
        
         
           (
           
             and
             it
             was
             shewd
             to
             the
             Court.
          
           )
        
         
           Then
           Mr.
           Turbervile
           
             was
             sworn
          
           .
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Pray
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             will
             you
             tell
             my
             Lord
             and
             the
             Jury
             what
             discourse
             you
             had
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             where
             ,
             and
             when
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             When
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             in
             Oxon
             ,
             about
             the
             middle
             of
             the
             week
             ,
             I
             can't
             be
             positive
             in
             the
             day
             ,
             but
             I
             think
             it
             was
             in
             the
             middle
             of
             the
             Week
             I
             dined
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             Captain
             Brown
             and
             
               Don
               Lewes
            
             Clerk
             of
             Derby-House
             at
             the
             
               Chequer
               Inn.
            
             After
             Dinner
             
               Don
               Lewes
            
             went
             out
             about
             some
             business
             ,
             and
             Captain
             Brown
             went
             to
             sleep
             ;
             Mr.
             Colledge
             and
             I
             fell
             talking
             of
             the
             Times
             ,
             and
             I
             was
             observing
             ,
             I
             thought
             the
             Parliament
             was
             not
             a
             long
             lived
             Parliament
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             There
             is
             no
             good
             to
             be
             expected
             from
             the
             King
             ;
             for
             he
             and
             all
             his
             Family
             are
             Papists
             ,
             and
             have
             ever
             been
             such
             ,
             you
             know
             it
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Nay
             don't
             appeal
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Said
             I
             ,
             The
             King
             will
             offer
             some
             thing
             or
             other
             by
             way
             of
             surprize
             to
             the
             Parliament
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             I
             would
             he
             would
             begin
             ;
             but
             if
             he
             do
             not
             ,
             we
             will
             begin
             with
             him
             and
             seize
             him
             ;
             for
             there
             are
             several
             Brave
             Fellows
             about
             this
             Town
             that
             will
             secure
             him
             till
             we
             have
             those
             Terms
             that
             we
             expect
             from
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             Just.
             
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             At
             the
             Chequer-Inn
             in
             Oxon.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             Just.
             
          
           
             What
             said
             he
             further
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             he
             had
             got
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             and
             a
             very
             good
             Sword
             and
             a
             Velvet
             Cap
             ;
             and
             I
             can't
             be
             positive
             he
             had
             Armour
             on
             ,
             but
             I
             believe
             he
             had
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             he
             came
             down
             for
             that
             purpose
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             and
             he
             gave
             me
             a
             piece
             of
             Blew
             Ribband
             to
             put
             in
             my
             Hat
             ,
             he
             had
             a
             great
             Quantity
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             was
             that
             for
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             To
             be
             a
             distinction
             if
             there
             should
             be
             any
             disturbance
             when
             the
             thing
             should
             be
             done
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             thing
             done
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             I
             knew
             nothing
             but
             of
             your
             telling
             me
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             At
             the
             Chequer-Inn
             in
             Oxon
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
             You
             talk
             much
             and
             can't
             remember
             all
             you
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             discourse
             to
             you
             about
             Arms
             and
             an
             Horse
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             I
             told
             him
             I
             had
             never
             an
             Horse
             ,
             and
             nothing
             but
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ;
             he
             bid
             me
             I
             should
             not
             trouble
             my self
             ,
             for
             he
             would
             get
             me
             an
             Horse
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             to
             do
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             To
             carry
             on
             your
             design
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             what
             it
             was
             ,
             but
             by
             your
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Tell
             what
             he
             said
             of
             it
             at
             the
             Chequer
             Inne
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             there
             was
             a
             Design
             to
             Seize
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             desire
             you
             to
             be
             one
             of
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             desire
             me
             to
             be
             ready
             to
             assist
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             how
             much
             of
             that
             Ribband
             had
             he
             ,
             pray
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             A
             very
             great
             quantity
             ,
             40
             or
             50
             Yards
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             will
             you
             give
             your
             Evidence
             over
             again
             ,
             and
             let
             Mr.
             Colledge
             attend
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             When
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxon
             about
             the
             middle
             of
             the
             Week
             ,
             I
             cannot
             be
             positive
             to
             a
             day
             ;
             I
             believe
             it
             was
             either
             Wednesday
             or
             Thursday
             I
             Dined
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             Capt.
             Browne
             ,
             and
             
               Don
               Lewes
            
             ,
             who
             was
             formerly
             Clerk
             of
             Derby
             House
             .
             
               Don
               Lewes
            
             after
             Dinner
             went
             out
             ,
             and
             Capt.
             Browne
             laid
             him
             down
             on
             the
             Bed
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Colledge
             and
             I
             fell
             a
             talking
             of
             the
             Times
             ,
             and
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             I
             thought
             this
             Parliament
             would
             be
             no
             Long-Lived
             Parliament
             .
             Upon
             which
             Colledge
             told
             me
             the
             King
             and
             all
             his
             Family
             were
             Papists
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             no
             good
             to
             be
             expected
             from
             him
             .
             Then
             I
             replyed
             ,
             The
             King
             would
             perhaps
             Surprize
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             or
             use
             some
             Stratagem
             to
             bring
             them
             to
             his
             Terms
             .
             Said
             Mr.
             Colledge
             again
             ,
             I
             would
             he
             would
             begin
             ;
             but
             if
             he
             do
             not
             ,
             we
             will
             secure
             him
             till
             he
             comes
             to
             those
             Terms
             we
             would
             have
             from
             him
             ;
             for
             here
             are
             several
             Brave
             Fellows
             ,
             and
             many
             more
             are
             coming
             down
             that
             will
             joyn
             with
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             name
             any
             one
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             No
             indeed
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             ;
             he
             himself
             had
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             a
             Sword
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             he
             might
             have
             his
             Armor
             on
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             discourse
             who
             were
             to
             joyn
             with
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             you
             did
             not
             name
             any
             body
             to
             me
             ,
             but
             Capt.
             Browne
             was
             with
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Were
             you
             Examined
             in
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Tryal
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Was
             this
             Gentleman
             sworn
             to
             your
             Reputation
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             not
             to
             mine
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             how
             come
             we
             to
             talk
             of
             such
             things
             ?
             What
             occasion
             was
             there
             that
             I
             should
             talk
             Treason
             of
             the
             King
             to
             you
             ?
             Was
             there
             any
             body
             besides
             us
             two
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             Capt.
             Browne
             was
             gone
             to
             sleep
             ,
             and
             Lewes
             was
             gone
             out
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             not
             at
             Dinner
             that
             you
             talked
             so
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             he
             sayes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Had
             they
             been
             at
             Dinner
             with
             us
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             and
             we
             had
             a
             Legg
             of
             boyled
             Mutton
             to
             Dinner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             stay
             after
             Dinner
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             and
             I
             lay
             with
             you
             afterwards
             upon
             the
             Bed.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             thought
             you
             had
             said
             Capt.
             Browne
             went
             to
             sleep
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             but
             he
             was
             gone
             too
             ,
             when
             we
             laid
             down
             together
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             God
             forgive
             you
             ,
             I
             can
             say
             no
             more
             ,
             I
             never
             spoke
             one
             word
             of
             any
             such
             discourse
             in
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             more
             Questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ,
             when
             did
             you
             give
             in
             this
             Information
             against
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             I
             gave
             it
             to
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Not
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             When
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Truly
             I
             can't
             well
             tell
             ,
             I
             believe
             it
             was
             a
             day
             or
             two
             before
             I
             came
             to
             Oxon.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Why
             did
             you
             make
             it
             then
             ,
             and
             not
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             I
             'le
             tell
             you
             the
             occasion
             .
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             told
             me
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             of
             London
             would
             not
             find
             the
             Bill
             ;
             I
             did
             admire
             at
             it
             extreamly
             :
             for
             I
             thought
             every
             one
             that
             conversed
             with
             him
             might
             be
             an
             Evidence
             against
             him
             ;
             he
             was
             always
             so
             very
             lavish
             against
             the
             King
             and
             the
             Government
             .
             So
             then
             Colonel
             Warcup
             came
             to
             me
             and
             took
             my
             Depositions
             ,
             and
             then
             I
             came
             for
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             was
             the
             reason
             you
             did
             not
             discover
             this
             Treason
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             no
             reason
             for
             it
             ,
             it
             was
             not
             necessary
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             were
             not
             agreed
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             no
             agreement
             in
             the
             Case
             ,
             there
             needs
             nothing
             of
             that
             I
             think
             ;
             but
             I
             am
             not
             obliged
             to
             give
             you
             an
             account
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             God
             forgive
             you
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             And
             you
             too
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Then
             call
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             if
             you
             please
             ,
             till
             he
             comes
             ,
             I
             will
             acquaint
             my
             Lord
             here
             is
             a
             Gentleman
             that
             hath
             not
             yet
             been
             taken
             notice
             of
             ,
             one
             Mr.
             Masters
             ,
             that
             is
             pretty
             well
             known
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ;
             now
             he
             is
             a
             man
             ,
             he
             must
             acknowledge
             ,
             of
             an
             undoubted
             Reputation
             ,
             and
             I
             desire
             he
             may
             give
             your
             Lordship
             and
             the
             Jury
             an
             accompt
             what
             he
             knowes
             of
             the
             Prisoner
             ;
             because
             he
             is
             so
             curious
             for
             English-men
             ,
             we
             have
             brought
             him
             an
             English-man
             of
             a
             very
             good
             Repute
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             charged
             with
             Treason
             in
             this
             Indictment
             ;
             here
             are
             a
             great
             many
             things
             made
             Use
             of
             that
             serve
             only
             to
             amuse
             the
             Jury
             ,
             I
             can
             conjecture
             nothing
             else
             they
             are
             brought
             for
             ;
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             whether
             the
             Pictures
             produced
             are
             part
             of
             the
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just.
             
          
           
             Stay
             till
             the
             Evidence
             is
             given
             ,
             and
             we
             will
             hear
             what
             you
             can
             say
             at
             large
             when
             you
             come
             to
             summe
             up
             your
             Defence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             will
             you
             be
             pleased
             to
             hear
             this
             Gentleman
             .
             He
             will
             tell
             you
             what
             discourse
             he
             hath
             had
             with
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Barr.
             
          
        
         
           
             Then
             Mr.
          
           Masters
           
             was
             sworn
          
           .
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             and
             I
             have
             been
             acquainted
             for
             a
             great
             many
             Years
             ;
             and
             we
             have
             often
             discoursed
             .
             I
             have
             told
             him
             of
             his
             being
             so
             violent
             as
             he
             hath
             been
             several
             times
             .
             But
             a
             little
             before
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxon.
             about
             Christmas
             last
             after
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Westminster
             at
             Mr.
             Charlton's
             Shop
             the
             Woollen
             Draper
             in
             Paul's
             Church-Yard
             ,
             we
             were
             discoursing
             together
             about
             the
             Government
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             justifying
             of
             the
             late
             long
             Parliaments
             Actions
             in
             40
             ;
             and
             he
             said
             ,
             That
             Parliament
             was
             as
             good
             a
             Parliament
             as
             ever
             was
             chosen
             in
             the
             Nation
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             I
             wonder
             how
             you
             have
             the
             Impudence
             to
             justify
             their
             Proceedings
             that
             raised
             the
             Rebelion
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             cut
             off
             his
             head
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             They
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             Cause
             for
             ,
             and
             the
             Parliament
             that
             sate
             last
             at
             Westminster
             was
             of
             their
             Opinion
             ,
             and
             so
             you
             would
             have
             seen
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             What
             did
             he
             say
             of
             the
             Parliament
             since
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             the
             Parliament
             that
             sate
             last
             at
             Westminster
             was
             of
             the
             same
             Opinion
             that
             that
             Parliament
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Pray
             afterwards
             what
             discourse
             had
             you
             about
             his
             Colonel-ship
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             We
             were
             talking
             at
             Guild-Hall
             that
             day
             the
             Common-Council
             was
             ,
             the
             13
             th
             of
             May
             as
             near
             as
             I
             remember
             ,
             so
             I
             came
             to
             him
             ,
             How
             now
             Col●nel
             Colledge
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             make
             this
             bustle
             for
             ?
             You
             mistook
             me
             and
             said
             ,
             Cozen
             how
             long
             have
             you
             and
             I
             been
             Cozens
             ;
             Nay
             prithee
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             't
             is
             not
             yet
             come
             to
             that
             ,
             to
             own
             Kindred
             between
             us
             ,
             I
             only
             called
             you
             Colonel
             in
             jest
             ;
             Marry
             mock
             not
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             may
             be
             one
             in
             a
             little
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Have
             you
             any
             thing
             to
             ask
             Mr.
             Masters
             ?
             you
             know
             he
             is
             your
             old
             acquaintance
             ,
             you
             know
             him
             well
             .
          
        
         
           (
           
             Then
             Sir
          
           William
           Jennings
           
             was
             sworn
          
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             it
             that
             you
             know
             concerning
             Mr.
             Colledge
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             The
             first
             time
             that
             I
             heard
             any
             thing
             of
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             was
             ,
             there
             was
             some
             Company
             looking
             upon
             a
             Picture
             ,
             for
             I
             knew
             him
             not
             ,
             nor
             never
             had
             any
             word
             of
             discourse
             with
             him
             in
             my
             life
             any
             more
             then
             seeing
             him
             in
             a
             publick
             Coffee-house
             .
             But
             there
             was
             a
             Picture
             looking
             on
             by
             7
             or
             8
             or
             10
             People
             ,
             I
             believe
             more
             or
             less
             ,
             and
             I
             coming
             and
             crowding
             in
             my
             head
             amongst
             the
             rest
             ,
             looked
             upon
             this
             Picture
             .
             After
             the
             Crowd
             was
             over
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             takes
             a
             Picture
             out
             of
             his
             Pocket
             ,
             and
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             will
             give
             you
             one
             of
             them
             if
             you
             will.
             So
             he
             gives
             me
             a
             Picture
             ;
             which
             Picture
             if
             I
             could
             see
             ,
             I
             could
             tell
             what
             it
             was
             ;
             it
             was
             written
             
               Mac
               a
               Top
            
             ,
             and
             there
             were
             several
             Figures
             in
             it
             .
          
           
             (
             
               Then
               the
               Picture
               was
               shewed
               him
               .
            
             )
          
           
             This
             is
             one
             of
             the
             same
             that
             I
             had
             of
             him
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             not
             had
             it
             long
             in
             my
             Custody
             ,
             but
             meeting
             with
             Justice
             Warcupp
             ,
             I
             shewed
             it
             him
             ,
             who
             bid
             me
             give
             it
             him
             ,
             and
             so
             I
             did
             .
             The
             next
             thing
             that
             I
             did
             see
             Mr.
             Colledge
             do
             ,
             was
             in
             the
             Coffee-house
             ,
             not
             the
             same
             day
             ,
             but
             another
             time
             .
             I
             saw
             him
             bring
             in
             a
             parcel
             of
             blew
             Ribband
             which
             was
             wrought
             ,
             and
             these
             words
             eight
             times
             wrought
             in
             it
             ,
             twice
             wrought
             in
             every
             Quarter
             of
             a
             Yard
             ,
             
               No
               Popery
               ,
               No
               Slavery
            
             .
             I
             saw
             him
             sell
             to
             a
             Member
             of
             Parliament
             ,
             as
             I
             took
             him
             to
             be
             ,
             a
             yard
             of
             that
             Ribband
             for
             2
             s.
             and
             truly
             I
             was
             thinking
             he
             would
             ask
             me
             to
             buy
             some
             too
             ,
             and
             I
             saw
             that
             Gentleman
             (
             I
             took
             him
             to
             be
             a
             Parliament
             man
             )
             take
             this
             Ribband
             and
             tye
             it
             upon
             his
             Sword.
             As
             to
             the
             other
             thing
             I
             have
             to
             say
             of
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ;
             That
             very
             day
             the
             Parliament
             was
             Dissolved
             ,
             he
             had
             been
             in
             a
             Quarrel
             ,
             as
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             with
             Mr.
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             ;
             and
             I
             was
             standing
             in
             the
             Schoole-house
             Yard
             ,
             and
             he
             comes
             directly
             to
             me
             without
             my
             speaking
             to
             him
             or
             any
             thing
             ;
             but
             he
             comes
             and
             tells
             me
             Mr.
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             had
             spit
             in
             his
             face
             ,
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             spit
             in
             his
             face
             again
             ;
             so
             we
             went
             to
             Loggerheads
             together
             ,
             I
             think
             that
             was
             the
             word
             ,
             or
             fifty
             Cuffs
             .
             So
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             your
             Nose
             bleeds
             ;
             he
             takes
             his
             handkerchief
             out
             of
             his
             Pocket
             and
             wipes
             his
             Nose
             ,
             and
             said
             ,
             I
             have
             lost
             the
             first
             blood
             in
             the
             Cause
             ,
             but
             it
             will
             not
             be
             long
             before
             more
             be
             lost
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             Schoole-house
             Yard
             at
             Oxon.
             I
             never
             discoursed
             with
             him
             afterwards
             till
             I
             met
             him
             at
             London
             in
             Fleet-Street
             one
             Sunday
             in
             the
             Afternoon
             ,
             and
             I
             remember
             Captain
             Crescett
             was
             along
             with
             me
             .
             And
             when
             he
             came
             up
             to
             me
             ,
             How
             now
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             honest
             Joyner
             ?
             Sayes
             he
             ,
             You
             call
             me
             honest
             Joyner
             ,
             some
             call
             me
             Rogue
             and
             Rascal
             ,
             and
             I
             have
             been
             beating
             some
             of
             them
             .
             So
             that
             I
             believe
             they
             will
             be
             aware
             of
             it
             .
             So
             I
             told
             Captain
             Crescett
             I
             never
             met
             this
             man
             but
             he
             was
             always
             in
             a
             Quarrel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Was
             it
             on
             a
             Sunday
             that
             I
             told
             you
             I
             had
             been
             beating
             of
             some
             body
             .
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
           
             You
             told
             me
             so
             ,
             Captain
             Crescett
             was
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             remember
             I
             met
             you
             ,
             but
             I
             did
             not
             tell
             you
             I
             had
             been
             then
             beating
             any
             one
             .
             But
             pray
             ,
             Sir
             William
             ,
             when
             I
             met
             you
             after
             the
             Parliament
             was
             Dissolved
             ,
             and
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             and
             I
             had
             quarrel'd
             ,
             did
             I
             say
             ,
             That
             I
             had
             lost
             the
             first
             blood
             in
             the
             Cause
             ,
             but
             it
             would
             not
             be
             long
             e're
             more
             were
             lost
             .
             Sir
             William
             ,
             you
             are
             a
             
             Gentleman
             ;
             as
             for
             the
             other
             men
             ,
             they
             don't
             care
             what
             they
             say
             ,
             nor
             do
             I
             so
             much
             regard
             them
             ,
             but
             you
             value
             your
             Word
             and
             Honour
             ;
             These
             were
             my
             words
             ,
             and
             pray
             will
             you
             recollect
             your self
             before
             you
             be
             positive
             in
             the
             thing
             ,
             whether
             I
             did
             not
             say
             ,
             I
             have
             lost
             the
             first
             blood
             for
             the
             Parliament
             (
             for
             it
             was
             upon
             my
             vindicating
             of
             the
             Commons
             and
             Doctor
             Oates
             whom
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             had
             abused
             ,
             and
             upon
             that
             the
             Quarrel
             began
             ;
             so
             I
             said
             when
             you
             met
             me
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             ,
             my
             Nose
             bled
             ,
             
               I
               have
               lost
               the
               first
               blood
               for
               the
               Parliament
            
             )
             
               I
               wish
               it
               may
               be
               the
               last
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             If
             you
             please
             I
             will
             answer
             you
             as
             to
             that
             ,
             I
             do
             assure
             you
             ?
             t
             is
             the
             first
             time
             that
             ever
             I
             came
             upon
             this
             occasion
             in
             my
             days
             ,
             and
             I
             have
             declared
             it
             before
             ,
             and
             do
             declare
             it
             now
             ,
             I
             would
             rather
             have
             served
             the
             King
             in
             3
             Ingagements
             ,
             then
             come
             in
             against
             you
             or
             any
             man
             upon
             such
             an
             Occasion
             .
             But
             I
             declare
             to
             you
             upon
             the
             whole
             memory
             of
             the
             truth
             ,
             the
             words
             were
             as
             I
             spoke
             them
             at
             first
             ,
             and
             no
             Parliament
             named
             or
             mentioned
             .
             And
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             moreover
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             ,
             When
             I
             did
             tell
             this
             story
             ,
             because
             Mr.
             Crescett
             that
             is
             here
             is
             able
             to
             tell
             you
             whether
             I
             did
             not
             relate
             the
             words
             within
             half
             an
             hour
             ,
             or
             a
             little
             time
             after
             .
             Now
             I
             never
             had
             a
             prejudice
             against
             you
             in
             my
             days
             ,
             nor
             other
             Concern
             ,
             but
             having
             told
             Mr.
             Justice
             Warcupp
             this
             Story
             ,
             I
             am
             brought
             hither
             to
             testifie
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Sir
             William
             ,
             I
             am
             very
             sorry
             you
             did
             not
             better
             observe
             and
             remember
             my
             words
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
           
             I
             must
             needs
             say
             ,
             I
             could
             not
             imagine
             what
             the
             words
             meant
             when
             they
             were
             spoken
             ,
             nor
             do
             I
             understand
             them
             to
             this
             day
             ;
             but
             soon
             after
             they
             were
             spoken
             ,
             I
             related
             them
             to
             Justice
             Warcupp
             ,
             he
             being
             a
             Justice
             of
             Peace
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Holloway
             .
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             we
             shall
             rest
             here
             ,
             and
             conclude
             our
             Evidence
             for
             the
             King
             at
             present
             ,
             to
             hear
             what
             the
             Prisoner
             says
             to
             it
             ,
             only
             with
             my
             Lords
             leave
             I
             shall
             explain
             the
             words
             to
             you
             that
             are
             in
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             and
             tell
             you
             what
             is
             meant
             by
             Compassing
             and
             Imagining
             the
             Death
             of
             the
             King.
             The
             Seizing
             the
             Person
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             is
             in
             Law
             a
             Compassing
             and
             Intending
             his
             Death
             ;
             and
             so
             it
             hath
             been
             adjudged
             in
             several
             Cases
             ,
             as
             in
             1
             Jacobi
             ,
             my
             Lord
             Cobham
             and
             my
             Lord
             Greys
             Case
             ,
             and
             several
             other
             Cases
             ;
             and
             so
             you
             may
             fully
             apprehend
             what
             the
             Charge
             is
             ,
             and
             may
             understand
             the
             words
             in
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             That
             if
             you
             are
             not
             satisfied
             with
             the
             general
             words
             of
             Compassing
             the
             King's
             Death
             ,
             you
             may
             know
             ,
             that
             the
             Seizing
             his
             Person
             extends
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             we
             have
             done
             with
             our
             Evidence
             ,
             now
             let
             him
             go
             on
             with
             his
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Chief
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Now
             Mr.
             Colledge
             you
             may
             say
             what
             you
             will
             for
             your
             defence
             ,
             and
             call
             your
             Witnesses
             that
             you
             have
             to
             produce
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             heard
             this
             Evidence
             that
             is
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             would
             desire
             your
             Lordship
             to
             resolve
             me
             some
             Questions
             upon
             it
             .
             I
             think
             the
             Indictment
             is
             for
             Treasonable
             Practices
             ,
             for
             a
             Conspiracy
             ;
             now
             I
             desire
             your
             Lordship
             will
             be
             pleased
             that
             I
             may
             know
             from
             you
             and
             the
             Court
             ,
             whether
             in
             all
             this
             Evidence
             given
             in
             proof
             against
             me
             ,
             a
             Conspiracy
             is
             proved
             ;
             or
             if
             any
             thing
             appears
             besides
             what
             they
             say
             I
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Chief
             Justice
             .
          
           
             For
             a
             Conspiracy
             in
             you
             ,
             If
             the
             Witnesses
             speak
             Truth
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             plain
             proof
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             degrees
             of
             it
             :
             First
             of
             all
             ,
             By
             your
             publishing
             Libels
             and
             Pictures
             to
             make
             the
             King
             Odious
             and
             Contemptible
             in
             the
             Eyes
             of
             the
             People
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             should
             be
             the
             Author
             of
             some
             of
             those
             Pictures
             ,
             and
             they
             were
             found
             in
             your
             Custody
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             conceive
             that
             is
             not
             proved
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Chief
             Justice
             .
          
           
             If
             the
             Witnesses
             say
             true
             ,
             it
             is
             proved
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             do
             not
             produce
             that
             ,
             they
             do
             but
             say
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Chief
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             Swears
             ,
             That
             at
             Oxford
             here
             ,
             you
             shew'd
             him
             the
             Picture
             ,
             you
             sung
             the
             Song
             here
             ,
             and
             expounded
             it
             at
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace's
             ,
             and
             a
             great
             many
             of
             them
             are
             found
             in
             your
             Custody
             .
             Then
             that
             you
             prepared
             Armes
             ,
             that
             you
             shew'd
             Smith
             the
             Arms
             in
             your
             House
             ,
             and
             having
             those
             Arms
             ,
             you
             said
             ,
             You
             would
             go
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             if
             there
             should
             be
             a
             disturbance
             there
             ,
             you
             would
             secure
             the
             King.
             And
             you
             did
             come
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             where
             you
             hear
             what
             is
             said
             ;
             for
             I
             Observe
             ,
             
               Stephen
               Dugdale
            
             and
             
               Edward
               Turbervile
            
             speak
             of
             what
             was
             done
             at
             
               Oxford
               .
               John
               Smith
            
             and
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             speak
             of
             what
             you
             said
             at
             London
             before
             you
             went
             to
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             after
             you
             came
             from
             Oxford
             .
             Now
             I
             say
             ,
             If
             these
             Witnesses
             speak
             true
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             strong
             Evidence
             against
             you
             ,
             both
             upon
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             25
             Edw.
             the
             3
             d.
             and
             that
             of
             this
             King
             too
             .
             For
             my
             Brother
             Holloway
             told
             you
             true
             ,
             That
             whereas
             the
             Imagining
             the
             Death
             of
             the
             King
             is
             High
             Treason
             ,
             by
             the
             25
             of
             Edw.
             the
             3
             d.
             so
             a
             Seizing
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             an
             endeavor
             to
             do
             that
             ,
             is
             a
             constructive
             Intention
             of
             the
             Death
             of
             the
             King
             ;
             for
             Kings
             are
             never
             Prisoners
             ,
             but
             in
             order
             to
             their
             Death
             .
             And
             therefore
             it
             hath
             been
             held
             in
             all
             times
             ,
             that
             by
             the
             Statute
             of
             Edw.
             3
             d.
             that
             was
             Treason
             ;
             but
             then
             the
             Statute
             of
             this
             King
             ,
             in
             the
             13
             Year
             of
             his
             Reign
             ,
             is
             more
             strong
             ;
             for
             there
             it
             says
             ,
             If
             any
             man
             shall
             by
             any
             words
             or
             malitious
             speaking
             shew
             the
             Imagination
             of
             his
             Heart
             ,
             that
             he
             hath
             any
             such
             Intention
             ,
             that
             is
             Treason
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             the
             Foundation
             of
             this
             Indictment
             is
             said
             to
             be
             laid
             here
             in
             Oxford
             ,
             as
             I
             suppose
             ;
             pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             here
             is
             only
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             and
             Turbervile
             that
             Swear
             against
             me
             for
             what
             I
             should
             say
             in
             Oxon
             ▪
             all
             the
             rest
             speak
             to
             things
             said
             and
             done
             at
             London
             .
             Now
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             ,
             whether
             they
             have
             proved
             any
             Treasonable
             Practices
             ,
             Conspiracy
             or
             Design
             in
             me
             against
             the
             Government
             ,
             I
             would
             feign
             know
             that
             ,
             whether
             there
             be
             matter
             here
             to
             ground
             an
             Indictment
             upon
             ;
             for
             the
             one
             says
             in
             one
             place
             ,
             the
             other
             in
             the
             other
             ,
             which
             may
             be
             distinct
             matters
             ,
             and
             none
             of
             them
             Swear
             Facts
             against
             me
             ,
             but
             only
             Words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Justice
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             providing
             Arms
             for
             your self
             ,
             and
             offering
             others
             Arms.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             I
             shall
             make
             this
             Answer
             to
             ,
             I
             had
             only
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             and
             a
             Sword
             ,
             which
             every
             Footman
             and
             Horseman
             had
             ,
             that
             came
             from
             London
             ,
             I
             think
             .
             But
             further
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             would
             ask
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             whether
             there
             ought
             not
             to
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             distinct
             ,
             to
             Swear
             words
             at
             one
             and
             the
             same
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Justice
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             No
             ,
             the
             Resolution
             of
             the
             Judges
             in
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Case
             ,
             is
             contrary
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Chief
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             ,
             It
             hath
             been
             often
             Resolved
             ,
             That
             if
             there
             be
             one
             Witness
             that
             proves
             one
             Fact
             which
             is
             an
             Evidence
             of
             Treason
             ,
             and
             another
             proves
             another
             Fact
             ,
             that
             is
             an
             Evidence
             of
             the
             same
             Treason
             ,
             tho'
             they
             be
             but
             single
             Witnesses
             to
             several
             Facts
             ,
             yet
             they
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             an
             Indictment
             of
             Treason
             ;
             that
             hath
             been
             often
             publickly
             Resolved
             ,
             particularly
             in
             the
             Case
             of
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             ,
             mentioned
             by
             my
             Brother
             .
             And
             I
             'le
             tell
             you
             my
             Opinion
             further
             ,
             If
             there
             be
             one
             Witness
             that
             proves
             here
             what
             you
             said
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             another
             that
             proves
             what
             was
             said
             in
             London
             ,
             if
             they
             be
             in
             order
             to
             the
             same
             Treason
             ,
             it
             is
             sufficient
             ;
             for
             if
             you
             do
             Conspire
             to
             commit
             such
             a
             Treason
             in
             London
             ,
             and
             you
             come
             with
             such
             an
             Imagination
             in
             your
             Heart
             to
             Oxford
             to
             compleat
             this
             Treason
             ,
             tho'
             your
             design
             was
             not
             first
             formed
             there
             ,
             I
             think
             't
             is
             enough
             to
             maintain
             an
             Indictment
             of
             Treason
             ,
             and
             they
             are
             two
             good
             Witnesses
             ,
             tho'
             but
             one
             speak
             to
             what
             was
             done
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             but
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             in
             your
             Case
             ,
             there
             are
             two
             full
             Witnesses
             to
             that
             which
             was
             done
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             besides
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             which
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             speaks
             of
             ,
             I
             told
             you
             before
             what
             it
             was
             I
             said
             ,
             
               It
               was
               the
               first
               Blood
               that
               was
               shed
               for
               the
               Parliament
               .
            
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             The
             Parliament
             was
             Dissolved
             before
             that
             which
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             speaks
             of
             ,
             therefore
             you
             could
             not
             say
             it
             was
             to
             defend
             the
             Parliament
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             did
             say
             that
             I
             spake
             such
             and
             such
             words
             in
             the
             Barber's
             Shop
             in
             the
             
               Angel
               Inne
            
             ;
             there
             I
             was
             indeed
             at
             the
             time
             that
             he
             does
             speak
             of
             ,
             and
             the
             Barber
             was
             by
             ,
             I
             do
             think
             ,
             indeed
             it
             were
             convenient
             to
             have
             him
             here
             ;
             but
             I
             knew
             not
             where
             he
             would
             charge
             me
             ,
             or
             what
             it
             was
             he
             would
             charge
             me
             with
             ,
             because
             I
             never
             said
             any
             thing
             in
             my
             Life
             that
             was
             like
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             call
             any
             Witnesses
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             pray
             let
             me
             ask
             you
             one
             Question
             more
             ;
             You
             take
             these
             words
             distinct
             from
             any
             matter
             of
             fact
             ,
             don't
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             complicated
             with
             the
             Fact
             ,
             which
             was
             the
             Overt-Act
             ,
             the
             coming
             to
             Oxon.
             with
             Pistols
             to
             make
             one
             if
             there
             had
             been
             any
             disturbance
             ,
             and
             to
             Seize
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             would
             ask
             you
             ,
             Whether
             any
             Act
             of
             Treason
             done
             at
             London
             ,
             shall
             be
             given
             in
             Evidence
             to
             prove
             the
             Treason
             for
             which
             I
             am
             now
             Indicted
             ,
             and
             which
             was
             given
             in
             Evidence
             before
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             ,
             upon
             which
             the
             Tryal
             was
             there
             grounded
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             Ch.
             Just.
             
          
           
             Any
             Act
             of
             Treason
             that
             is
             of
             the
             same
             kind
             .
             And
             I
             'le
             tell
             you
             ,
             That
             was
             Resolved
             in
             Sir
             Vane's
             Case
             ;
             those
             that
             gave
             you
             that
             Paper
             understand
             it
             .
             But
             I
             speak
             now
             to
             your
             Capacity
             ,
             and
             to
             satisfie
             your
             Question
             .
             He
             was
             Indicted
             for
             Levying
             Warr
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             he
             Conspired
             in
             Westminster
             ,
             the
             War
             was
             Levyed
             in
             another
             County
             ;
             the
             Conspiracy
             upon
             the
             Tryal
             was
             proved
             in
             the
             County
             of
             Middlesex
             ,
             and
             the
             Warr
             in
             another
             place
             ,
             and
             yet
             it
             was
             held
             sufficient
             to
             maintain
             the
             Indictment
             in
             the
             County
             of
             Middlesex
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             a
             Warr
             really
             Levyed
             ,
             but
             God
             be
             thanked
             here
             is
             only
             bare
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             Actions
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Actions
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Arming
             your self
             ,
             and
             coming
             to
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             I
             have
             told
             you
             my
             Opinion
             ;
             My
             Brothers
             will
             speak
             theirs
             ,
             if
             they
             think
             otherwise
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             not
             your
             Case
             neither
             tho
             I
             am
             of
             the
             same
             Opinion
             with
             my
             Lord
             ;
             for
             here
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             have
             proved
             plain
             matter
             of
             Fact
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             the
             providing
             Arms
             your self
             ,
             and
             encouraging
             others
             to
             take
             Arms
             —
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             name
             no
             Persons
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             will
             have
             my
             Opinion
             ,
             and
             yet
             you
             will
             give
             me
             no
             leave
             to
             speak
             ;
             I
             had
             patience
             to
             hear
             you
             :
             You
             are
             told
             there
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             ,
             Turbervile
             and
             Dugdale
             ,
             that
             prove
             your
             providing
             and
             having
             of
             Arms
             at
             Oxon.
             and
             perswading
             others
             to
             take
             Arms
             ,
             particularly
             Turbervile
             ,
             He
             told
             you
             he
             had
             no
             Arms
             ,
             or
             but
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             and
             he
             had
             no
             Horse
             ;
             but
             you
             told
             him
             you
             would
             provide
             him
             an
             Horse
             .
             And
             then
             there
             are
             two
             other
             Witnesses
             ,
             Smith
             and
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ,
             they
             do
             not
             tell
             you
             of
             any
             thing
             done
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             but
             they
             tell
             you
             what
             you
             said
             in
             their
             hearing
             of
             what
             you
             had
             done
             in
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             so
             I
             think
             if
             the
             Witnesses
             are
             to
             be
             believed
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             very
             full
             proof
             against
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Raymond
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             of
             the
             same
             Opinion
             truely
             ,
             and
             I
             cannot
             find
             ,
             but
             that
             there
             is
             proof
             enough
             by
             two
             Witnesses
             ,
             Turbervile
             and
             Dugdale
             ,
             of
             what
             was
             done
             at
             Oxford
             .
             They
             swear
             matter
             of
             Fact
             ,
             not
             words
             only
             ,
             but
             actions
             also
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             fact
             ,
             but
             that
             I
             had
             Pistols
             and
             a
             Sword
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             should
             tell
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             I
             would
             provide
             him
             an
             Horse
             ,
             which
             is
             still
             but
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             you
             shall
             hear
             anon
             for
             the
             full
             Conviction
             of
             you
             and
             all
             others
             ,
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             13
             th
             of
             this
             King
             read
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             you
             shall
             there
             see
             that
             such
             words
             are
             made
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             I
             beseech
             your
             Lordship
             to
             tell
             me
             whether
             there
             must
             not
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             the
             same
             words
             at
             the
             same
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             it
             was
             the
             resolution
             of
             all
             the
             Judges
             in
             the
             Case
             of
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             the
             Parliament
             proceeded
             upon
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             same
             Tryal
             where
             Mr.
             Colledge
             was
             a
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               General
            
             .
          
           
             All
             the
             whole
             House
             of
             Commons
             prayed
             Judgment
             upon
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             ,
             pursuant
             to
             that
             resolution
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Come
             will
             you
             call
             any
             Witnesses
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             question
             but
             to
             prove
             this
             one
             of
             the
             Hellishest
             Conspiracy
             that
             ever
             was
             upon
             the
             face
             of
             the
             Earth
             ,
             and
             these
             the
             most
             notorious
             wicked
             men
             ,
             an
             absolute
             design
             to
             destroy
             all
             the
             Protestants
             of
             England
             ,
             that
             have
             had
             the
             Courage
             to
             oppose
             the
             Popish
             Plot.
             In
             which
             no
             man
             of
             my
             condition
             hath
             done
             more
             then
             I
             have
             done
             .
             I
             was
             bred
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             and
             continued
             so
             hitherto
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             grace
             of
             God
             I
             will
             dye
             so
             .
             If
             that
             they
             had
             known
             of
             these
             words
             that
             I
             should
             speak
             ,
             and
             such
             a
             Design
             that
             I
             should
             have
             before
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             be
             with
             me
             in
             Oxon
             when
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             ,
             if
             they
             had
             been
             good
             Subjects
             ,
             they
             ought
             to
             have
             had
             me
             apprehended
             .
             Turbervile
             came
             several
             times
             indeed
             ,
             and
             dined
             with
             me
             .
             I
             did
             not
             bid
             him
             go
             out
             of
             Doors
             ,
             nor
             invited
             him
             thither
             ;
             he
             was
             a
             man
             I
             had
             no
             disrespect
             for
             ,
             Nay
             he
             was
             a
             man
             I
             valued
             ,
             thinking
             he
             had
             done
             the
             Nation
             service
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             that
             this
             man
             should
             hear
             me
             speak
             such
             words
             against
             his
             Majesty
             ,
             who
             was
             then
             in
             this
             Town
             ,
             and
             know
             of
             such
             a
             dangerous
             Design
             to
             attempt
             the
             seizing
             his
             Person
             ,
             or
             that
             I
             should
             Discover
             a
             great
             Party
             that
             were
             ready
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             I
             think
             there
             is
             scarce
             any
             man
             of
             reason
             ,
             but
             will
             say
             ,
             if
             this
             were
             really
             done
             and
             spoken
             by
             me
             ,
             neither
             of
             them
             would
             or
             ought
             to
             have
             concealed
             it
             but
             discover
             it
             ,
             none
             of
             them
             has
             ever
             charged
             me
             with
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             they
             have
             been
             in
             my
             Company
             since
             .
             I
             never
             had
             any
             Correspondence
             with
             any
             of
             them
             but
             Dugdale
             ,
             then
             pray
             consider
             how
             improbable
             it
             is
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             talk
             of
             such
             things
             to
             Papists
             ,
             Priests
             ,
             and
             Irish-men
             ,
             who
             have
             broke
             their
             faith
             ,
             with
             their
             own
             Party
             ,
             that
             faith
             which
             they
             gave
             under
             the
             penalty
             of
             Damnation
             ,
             Men
             that
             have
             been
             concerned
             in
             Plots
             and
             Treasons
             ,
             to
             murder
             and
             cut
             the
             Throats
             of
             Protestants
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             be
             such
             a
             Madman
             to
             trust
             these
             People
             ,
             when
             I
             could
             receive
             no
             manner
             of
             Obligation
             from
             them
             ,
             nor
             could
             give
             any
             Trust
             to
             them
             ,
             they
             having
             before
             broke
             their
             Faith
             ;
             especially
             ,
             considering
             I
             could
             lay
             no
             such
             Oaths
             and
             Obligations
             upon
             them
             ,
             who
             was
             a
             Protestant
             ;
             then
             't
             is
             the
             greatest
             Non-sense
             ,
             to
             believe
             that
             I
             would
             say
             these
             things
             before
             Persons
             whom
             I
             could
             never
             hope
             would
             conceal
             my
             Treasons
             ,
             having
             discovered
             their
             own
             .
             If
             they
             speak
             Truth
             concerning
             the
             general
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             that
             could
             be
             no
             Obligation
             upon
             me
             ,
             to
             trust
             them
             with
             another
             ;
             and
             they
             cannot
             say
             ,
             that
             they
             ever
             obliged
             me
             in
             any
             one
             respect
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             thank
             God
             I
             have
             had
             some
             Acquaintance
             in
             the
             World
             ,
             and
             have
             been
             concerned
             with
             some
             persons
             of
             Honour
             ,
             Noblemen
             ,
             and
             Parliament
             men
             ,
             that
             I
             know
             are
             as
             good
             Subjects
             as
             any
             his
             Majesty
             has
             ;
             these
             never
             found
             me
             a
             Fool
             ,
             nor
             a
             Rascal
             ,
             so
             great
             a
             Knave
             ,
             as
             to
             have
             any
             such
             Thoughts
             in
             my
             Heart
             ,
             nor
             so
             great
             a
             mad-man
             ,
             or
             so
             foolish
             ,
             as
             to
             go
             to
             discover
             them
             to
             Papists
             ,
             Priests
             ,
             and
             Irish-men
             ,
             to
             men
             of
             their
             Condition
             ,
             that
             were
             ready
             to
             starve
             for
             Bread.
             As
             for
             Haynes
             and
             Smith
             that
             run
             so
             fast
             through
             all
             their
             Evidence
             ,
             the
             first
             time
             that
             ever
             I
             set
             my
             Eyes
             on
             Haynes
             ,
             was
             in
             the
             Coffee-house
             that
             he
             speaks
             of
             ;
             Macnamarra
             comes
             in
             ,
             and
             desires
             me
             to
             go
             out
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             I
             should
             hear
             the
             greatest
             Discovery
             of
             a
             piece
             of
             Villany
             against
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury's
             Life
             ,
             that
             ever
             I
             heard
             in
             my
             Life
             .
             This
             Captain
             Brown
             who
             is
             now
             dead
             ,
             a
             man
             that
             I
             had
             not
             known
             but
             a
             Month
             before
             ,
             (
             for
             I
             think
             it
             was
             in
             March
             last
             when
             this
             was
             )
             could
             testifie
             for
             me
             ;
             for
             ,
             I
             came
             to
             him
             ,
             Captain
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             here
             is
             a
             Discovery
             offered
             to
             be
             made
             to
             me
             ,
             of
             a
             Design
             to
             take
             away
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury's
             Life
             .
             Macnamarra
             asks
             me
             to
             go
             to
             the
             
               Hercules
               Pillars
            
             ,
             I
             went
             along
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             took
             Captain
             Brown
             with
             us
             .
             Afterwards
             he
             fell
             sick
             in
             April
             ,
             and
             is
             now
             dead
             ,
             so
             I
             lossed
             a
             main
             Evidence
             in
             the
             Case
             .
             He
             was
             the
             only
             man
             that
             was
             by
             at
             the
             time
             ;
             God
             knows
             my
             Heart
             ,
             I
             speak
             nothing
             but
             the
             Truth
             ,
             I
             took
             him
             with
             me
             ,
             Haynes
             began
             to
             discover
             to
             us
             ,
             that
             Fitz-Girald
             had
             employed
             him
             to
             fetch
             
             over
             Macnamarra
             ,
             and
             if
             he
             would
             come
             in
             ,
             and
             Swear
             against
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftesbury
             ,
             which
             was
             his
             Design
             ,
             it
             would
             not
             be
             long
             e're
             his
             Head
             were
             taken
             off
             ,
             and
             he
             said
             ,
             He
             had
             given
             in
             a
             Paper
             of
             High
             Treason
             agaist
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftesbury
             ,
             I
             asked
             what
             it
             was
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             That
             my
             Lord
             should
             tell
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             that
             he
             had
             a
             Design
             to
             bring
             this
             Kingdom
             to
             a
             Common
             Wealth
             ,
             and
             to
             rout
             out
             the
             Family
             of
             the
             Stuarts
             .
             This
             he
             said
             ,
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             had
             given
             in
             in
             a
             Paper
             ,
             under
             his
             own
             hand
             ;
             and
             I
             think
             he
             said
             ,
             He
             had
             Sworn
             it
             ,
             and
             sent
             Haynes
             to
             fetch
             Macnamarra
             to
             Swear
             against
             my
             Lord
             the
             same
             things
             too
             .
             I
             writ
             down
             all
             the
             heads
             of
             the
             discourse
             which
             Captain
             Brown
             heard
             as
             well
             as
             I
             ,
             after
             he
             had
             said
             it
             ,
             he
             desired
             us
             to
             conceal
             it
             ,
             Sir
             said
             I
             ,
             You
             are
             a
             stranger
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             these
             are
             great
             and
             strange
             things
             that
             you
             do
             tell
             us
             ,
             Macnamarra
             and
             Brown
             ,
             and
             Ivy
             ,
             and
             others
             were
             there
             ,
             which
             (
             if
             they
             were
             honest
             men
             )
             they
             would
             come
             and
             Testifie
             .
             I
             thought
             them
             honest
             men
             ,
             and
             that
             they
             had
             none
             of
             those
             wicked
             Designs
             in
             their
             Hearts
             ,
             that
             now
             I
             find
             they
             have
             .
             So
             says
             
               Haynes
               ,
               I
               do
               not
               know
               this
               man
               ,
            
             meaning
             me
             ;
             Macnamarra
             told
             him
             ,
             
               I
               was
               an
               honest
               man
               ,
               he
               might
               lay
               his
               Life
               in
               my
               hands
               .
            
             After
             he
             had
             spoken
             all
             this
             ,
             he
             desired
             us
             to
             conceal
             it
             ;
             Said
             he
             ,
             
               I
               will
               not
               only
               discover
               this
               ,
               but
               a
               great
               deal
               more
               of
               their
               Rogeries
               that
               I
               know
               very
               well
            
             ;
             Said
             I
             to
             him
             again
             ,
             
               I
               will
               not
               conceal
               it
               ,
               nor
               do
               you
               no
               wrong
               ,
               for
               if
               this
               be
               true
               ,
               my
               Lord
               of
            
             Shaftsbury
             
               shall
               know
               it
               to
               night
               ;
               for
               where
               there
               is
               a
               design
               to
               take
               away
               a
               Peer
               of
               the
               Realm
               ,
               I
               will
               not
               conceal
               it
               ;
               but
               if
               it
               be
               false
               ,
               and
               you
               have
               said
               more
               then
               comes
               to
               your
               share
               ,
               Recant
               it
               again
               ,
               and
               we
               will
               take
               no
               notice
               of
               it
               ,
               only
               say
               you
               are
               a
               Knave
               for
               speaking
               of
               it
               ;
               he
               Swore
               Dam
               him
               it
               was
               all
               true
               ,
               that
               ,
               and
               a
               great
               deal
               more
               ,
               which
               he
               said
               he
               knew
               ,
               about
               Seizing
               and
               Destroying
               the
               Parliament
               at
            
             Oxon
             ,
             
               about
               an
               Army
               in
               the
            
             North
             
               that
               was
               to
               be
               Raised
               about
               the
               time
               of
               the
               Sitting
               of
               the
               Parliament
               at
            
             Oxon
             ,
             
               of
               a
            
             French
             
               Army
               that
               was
               to
               Land
               in
            
             Ireland
             
               at
               the
               same
               time
               ,
               that
               the
               Duke
               of
            
             York
             
               was
               to
               be
               at
               the
               Head
               of
               them
               ,
               and
               the
               intention
               was
               ,
               to
               destroy
               all
               the
               Protestants
               .
            
             Upon
             this
             ,
             I
             was
             Resolved
             ,
             if
             I
             lived
             ,
             to
             come
             along
             with
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             if
             there
             was
             any
             such
             Design
             ,
             I
             was
             Resolved
             to
             Live
             and
             Die
             with
             them
             ,
             but
             I
             had
             no
             more
             then
             Common
             Arms
             ,
             a
             Sword
             and
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             my
             Cap
             was
             a
             Velvet
             Cap
             ,
             and
             nothing
             else
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             had
             the
             Honor
             to
             be
             sent
             for
             ,
             when
             the
             Parliament
             Sat
             last
             at
             Westminster
             ,
             the
             Sessions
             in
             October
             ,
             it
             was
             an
             Honourable
             occasion
             ,
             and
             I
             thank
             those
             worthy
             Gentlemen
             that
             sent
             me
             for
             the
             Honor
             of
             it
             ,
             there
             I
             begun
             to
             be
             popular
             as
             to
             my
             Name
             ,
             for
             from
             that
             time
             they
             began
             to
             call
             me
             the
             Protestant
             Joyner
             ,
             because
             the
             Parliament
             had
             intrusted
             me
             .
             My
             Lord
             Crey
             was
             pleased
             to
             send
             his
             Footman
             for
             me
             to
             the
             
               Crown
               Tavern
            
             behind
             the
             Exchange
             ,
             where
             there
             were
             several
             worthy
             Lords
             ,
             Peers
             of
             the
             Realm
             ,
             and
             One
             Hundred
             of
             the
             Commons
             ,
             that
             had
             Dined
             there
             that
             Day
             ,
             it
             was
             the
             Day
             before
             they
             Sat
             ;
             after
             they
             had
             Dined
             I
             came
             to
             them
             ,
             and
             the
             Duke
             of
             Monmouth
             told
             me
             ,
             They
             had
             heard
             a
             good
             Report
             of
             me
             ,
             that
             I
             was
             an
             honest
             man
             ▪
             that
             understood
             Building
             ,
             and
             they
             did
             Confide
             in
             me
             to
             search
             under
             the
             Parliament
             House
             ;
             they
             did
             not
             really
             know
             of
             any
             Design
             ,
             but
             they
             would
             not
             be
             secure
             ,
             there
             might
             be
             some
             Tricks
             play'd
             them
             by
             the
             Papists
             ,
             tho'
             we
             are
             not
             afraid
             of
             them
             ,
             said
             the
             Duke
             ,
             yet
             we
             think
             fit
             to
             employ
             you
             to
             search
             under
             the
             Houses
             ,
             and
             thereabouts
             ,
             whether
             you
             can
             find
             any
             such
             Practices
             .
             So
             accordingly
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             did
             go
             ,
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace
             was
             one
             of
             the
             Honourable
             Lords
             ,
             and
             my
             Lord
             Herbert
             that
             went
             with
             me
             ,
             and
             some
             of
             the
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             House
             of
             Commons
             ;
             and
             those
             worthy
             Protestant
             Lords
             were
             pleased
             to
             thank
             me
             for
             my
             Service
             ,
             and
             did
             believe
             I
             was
             Active
             and
             Zealous
             to
             find
             out
             and
             discover
             the
             bottome
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             so
             far
             as
             it
             came
             legally
             in
             my
             way
             to
             do
             it
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             upon
             this
             occasion
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             great
             kindness
             from
             them
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             upon
             all
             occasions
             Testimonies
             of
             it
             ;
             and
             this
             very
             man
             who
             now
             Swears
             Treasons
             against
             me
             (
             which
             God
             Almighty
             knows
             is
             all
             false
             )
             did
             Swear
             in
             his
             Affidavit
             before
             Sir
             
               George
               Treby
            
             the
             Recorder
             of
             London
             (
             I
             did
             never
             see
             the
             Affidavit
             ,
             indeed
             I
             was
             over
             night
             at
             Sir
             Treby's
             ,
             but
             he
             was
             not
             then
             at
             leisure
             ,
             but
             he
             drew
             it
             up
             next
             day
             ,
             and
             Swore
             it
             )
             that
             there
             was
             a
             Design
             to
             destroy
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             not
             only
             his
             Oath
             for
             it
             ,
             but
             it
             was
             the
             general
             belief
             ,
             that
             some
             Evil
             was
             intended
             them
             .
             All
             men
             had
             cause
             to
             fear
             and
             to
             suspect
             ,
             the
             Papists
             did
             bear
             them
             no
             great
             good
             Will
             ;
             and
             making
             use
             of
             their
             own
             Observations
             ,
             they
             were
             generally
             Armed
             with
             a
             Pistol
             ,
             or
             a
             Sword
             ,
             for
             themselves
             ,
             in
             case
             they
             should
             be
             Attack'd
             by
             the
             Papists
             .
             In
             order
             to
             this
             ,
             I
             did
             come
             down
             with
             my
             Lord
             Howard
             ,
             my
             Lord
             of
             
             Clare
             ,
             my
             Lord
             of
             Huntington
             ,
             and
             my
             Lord
             Pagett
             ,
             those
             four
             worthy
             Protestant
             Lords
             ;
             and
             it
             was
             two
             days
             after
             the
             Parliament
             was
             sat
             ,
             that
             we
             came
             ,
             and
             I
             went
             out
             of
             Town
             again
             with
             my
             Lord
             Lovelace
             ,
             Sir
             
               Thomas
               Player
            
             ,
             and
             Sir
             
               Robert
               Clayton
            
             ;
             and
             I
             am
             sure
             ,
             they
             were
             all
             in
             so
             great
             a
             Fear
             that
             London
             should
             be
             surprized
             and
             seized
             on
             by
             the
             Papists
             ,
             but
             there
             was
             no
             mortal
             man
             that
             ever
             heard
             of
             the
             Kings
             being
             seised
             ,
             or
             thought
             of
             it
             ,
             till
             these
             men
             come
             and
             tell
             me
             ,
             that
             I
             had
             such
             a
             Design
             ,
             and
             came
             hither
             with
             that
             purpose
             ;
             but
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             declare
             as
             God
             is
             my
             Judge
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             have
             it
             thought
             I
             speak
             it
             to
             save
             my
             Life
             ,
             were
             it
             as
             certainly
             a
             Truth
             ,
             as
             't
             is
             most
             wickedly
             a
             Falshood
             ,
             that
             I
             had
             had
             a
             design
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             of
             one
             man
             upon
             the
             Face
             of
             the
             Earth
             ,
             that
             was
             to
             stand
             by
             me
             ,
             Parliament
             man
             ,
             or
             other
             persons
             whatsoever
             ;
             And
             how
             it
             is
             possible
             for
             me
             to
             attempt
             that
             ,
             being
             a
             single
             Person
             ,
             with
             only
             a
             Sword
             and
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             let
             any
             man
             judge
             .
             And
             I
             do
             declare
             ,
             I
             know
             of
             no
             Conspiracy
             nor
             Design
             ,
             against
             the
             King
             or
             Government
             ,
             I
             never
             spoke
             one
             of
             the
             Treasonable
             Words
             in
             my
             Life
             ,
             that
             is
             laid
             against
             me
             ,
             nor
             had
             ever
             any
             Thoughts
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             .
             God
             that
             is
             my
             Eternal
             Judge
             ,
             knows
             ,
             that
             what
             I
             speak
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             will
             you
             call
             your
             Witnesses
             ,
             for
             I
             must
             tell
             the
             Jury
             as
             I
             did
             at
             your
             request
             ,
             concerning
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             that
             as
             nothing
             he
             said
             ,
             so
             nothing
             you
             say
             is
             to
             be
             believed
             upon
             your
             own
             Allegation
             ;
             for
             then
             no
             man
             would
             ever
             be
             guilty
             ,
             if
             his
             own
             Purgation
             by
             words
             were
             to
             be
             believed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             thank
             God
             ,
             I
             know
             my
             own
             Innocency
             ,
             and
             hope
             to
             prove
             it
             .
             I
             have
             a
             Soul
             that
             must
             live
             to
             Eternity
             ,
             either
             in
             Joy
             or
             Misery
             ,
             I
             act
             according
             to
             those
             principles
             ,
             and
             I
             hope
             I
             have
             some
             assurance
             of
             my
             own
             salvation
             when
             I
             dye
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             call
             God
             to
             Witness
             to
             a
             Lye
             ,
             to
             save
             1000
             lives
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             this
             is
             a
             villanous
             Conspiracy
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             take
             place
             against
             me
             ,
             it
             may
             go
             a
             great
             way
             ,
             God
             knows
             how
             far
             ,
             This
             is
             the
             17
             th
             or
             18
             th
             Sham
             Plot
             the
             Papists
             have
             made
             against
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             to
             get
             over
             their
             own
             ;
             but
             I
             hope
             my
             Lord
             God
             Almighty
             will
             never
             suffer
             it
             .
             If
             they
             can
             make
             me
             a
             Traytor
             ,
             they
             will
             try
             it
             upon
             others
             ,
             and
             so
             hope
             to
             sham
             off
             their
             own
             Treasons
             ;
             but
             I
             say
             ,
             I
             hope
             God
             Almighty
             will
             never
             suffer
             it
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             think
             the
             first
             Witness
             that
             swore
             against
             me
             was
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ;
             and
             I
             must
             call
             my
             Witnesses
             as
             I
             have
             them
             here
             ,
             I
             know
             no
             person
             of
             them
             hardly
             ,
             and
             this
             that
             is
             done
             for
             my
             defence
             was
             done
             abroad
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             been
             kept
             close
             Prisoner
             in
             the
             Tower
             ,
             and
             none
             of
             them
             suffered
             to
             come
             to
             me
             ,
             whilst
             the
             Popish
             Lords
             have
             had
             the
             Liberty
             and
             Priviledg
             to
             talk
             with
             their
             friends
             .
             Here
             are
             Witnesses
             I
             hope
             will
             prove
             that
             these
             are
             Suborned
             men
             ,
             for
             Macnamarra
             did
             tell
             me
             presently
             after
             the
             Parliament
             broke
             up
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             whispered
             it
             to
             me
             in
             the
             Coffee-house
             ,
             Said
             he
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             Design
             laid
             to
             make
             us
             retract
             our
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             go
             over
             to
             
               Fitz
               Girald
            
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             I
             suppose
             they
             have
             been
             at
             that
             sport
             a
             great
             while
             .
             Ah
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             they
             make
             large
             offers
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             by
             whom
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             Colonel
             Warcupp
             hath
             been
             at
             me
             ,
             and
             he
             tells
             me
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Macnamarra
             is
             not
             produced
             against
             you
             as
             a
             Witness
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             but
             he
             told
             me
             this
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             such
             a
             design
             ,
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             will
             get
             you
             ,
             and
             some
             other
             honest
             men
             ;
             and
             he
             desired
             me
             to
             be
             by
             when
             he
             had
             something
             more
             to
             tell
             which
             would
             do
             his
             business
             for
             him
             ,
             but
             the
             next
             news
             I
             heard
             of
             him
             was
             ,
             he
             was
             put
             into
             Newgate
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Call
             your
             Witnesses
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             prove
             what
             you
             can
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Hickman
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             he
             may
             observe
             the
             same
             rule
             he
             desired
             about
             our
             Witnesses
             ;
             that
             he
             may
             call
             but
             one
             at
             a
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             yes
             ,
             I
             will
             call
             them
             one
             by
             one
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Are
             not
             your
             Witnesses
             together
             ?
             send
             to
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             don't
             know
             ,
             I
             have
             not
             seen
             one
             since
             I
             come
             .
             This
             is
             not
             the
             first
             time
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             the
             Papists
             have
             designed
             to
             take
             away
             my
             Life
             ,
             though
             it
             is
             the
             first
             time
             they
             went
             about
             to
             take
             it
             away
             by
             a
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             of
             one
             Papist
             that
             is
             a
             Witness
             against
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             never
             a
             man
             of
             them
             ,
             except
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             ,
             but
             what
             was
             a
             Papist
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             to
             Mr.
             Masters
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             says
             nothing
             material
             ,
             it
             was
             only
             a
             jocose
             discourse
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             It
             was
             very
             pleasant
             discourse
             upon
             my
             word
             ;
             you
             were
             as
             merry
             as
             when
             you
             were
             singing
             of
             the
             
               Rary
               Shew
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             make
             mirth
             of
             the
             blackest
             Tragedy
             that
             ever
             was
             ,
             That
             horrid
             Rebellion
             ,
             and
             the
             Murther
             of
             the
             late
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             never
             justified
             that
             Parliament
             in
             any
             such
             thing
             that
             they
             did
             contrary
             to
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             He
             swears
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Hickman
             does
             not
             appear
             ,
             call
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             
               William
               Shewin
            
             ,
          
        
         
           (
           who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             here
             Friend
             ,
             you
             are
             not
             to
             be
             sworn
             ;
             but
             when
             you
             speak
             in
             a
             Court
             of
             Justice
             ,
             and
             in
             a
             course
             of
             Justice
             ,
             you
             must
             speak
             as
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             only
             speak
             what
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             would
             not
             have
             any
             body
             speak
             any
             thing
             for
             me
             ,
             but
             what
             is
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Now
             ask
             him
             what
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             don't
             know
             the
             Gentleman
             .
             But
             pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             will
             you
             tell
             what
             you
             know
             of
             these
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             Name
             any
             of
             them
             that
             I
             know
             ,
             pray
             Sir
             ,
             and
             I
             'll
             tell
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             there
             is
             such
             a
             man
             ,
             but
             I
             have
             nothing
             to
             say
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             Turbervile
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Pray
             tell
             what
             you
             know
             of
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             was
             in
             Turbervile's
             Company
             on
             Thursday
             night
             last
             at
             the
             Golden
             Posts
             at
             Charing-cross
             ,
             and
             there
             I
             heard
             him
             say
             ,
             that
             if
             I
             were
             at
             Oxford
             I
             should
             hear
             strange
             things
             against
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             he
             would
             lay
             ten
             to
             one
             that
             Mr.
             Bethel
             and
             Mr.
             Wilmore
             should
             be
             hanged
             at
             Christmas
             ,
             and
             he
             would
             lead
             him
             by
             the
             Gold
             Chain
             along
             Fleetstreet
             ,
             and
             down
             with
             his
             Breeches
             in
             the
             middle
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             ,
             with
             a
             Band
             about
             his
             Neck
             and
             a
             Cloak
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             say
             all
             these
             things
             against
             Mr.
             
               Sheriff
               Bethel
            
             ,
             I
             assure
             you
             he
             is
             a
             bold
             man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             Mr.
             Smith
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             him
             by
             sight
             ,
             but
             I
             have
             nothing
             in
             particular
             to
             say
             concerning
             him
             .
             I
             have
             something
             to
             say
             to
             Macnamarra
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             if
             he
             were
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             this
             Conspiracy
             in
             general
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             of
             your
             Conspiracy
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             that
             they
             did
             lay
             ,
             who
             should
             be
             hang'd
             at
             Candlemas
             ,
             who
             at
             Christmass
             ,
             and
             who
             at
             several
             other
             times
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             did
             you
             hear
             Turbervile
             say
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             Those
             words
             I
             spake
             before
             about
             Sheriff
             Bethel
             ,
             and
             about
             the
             Amsterdam
             Coffee-house
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             they
             say
             what
             time
             I
             should
             be
             hang'd
             ?
             for
             the
             discourse
             '
             rose
             about
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             One
             told
             me
             that
             there
             was
             one
             that
             did
             design
             to
             be
             returned
             upon
             this
             Jury
             ,
             that
             was
             resolved
             to
             hang
             him
             right
             or
             wrong
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             
               High
               Sher.
            
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             did
             hear
             there
             was
             such
             a
             one
             ,
             and
             I
             left
             him
             out
             of
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             For
             Mr.
             Sheriffs
             honour
             we
             must
             take
             notice
             of
             what
             he
             hath
             said
             .
             He
             says
             he
             heard
             of
             a
             man
             that
             spoke
             something
             of
             that
             nature
             ,
             and
             therefore
             he
             left
             him
             out
             of
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Now
             't
             is
             possible
             these
             Witnesses
             were
             at
             the
             same
             sport
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Shewin
             .
          
           
             Was
             Mr.
             Peacock
             Mrs.
             Fits-harris
             Maids
             Father
             ,
             or
             she
             here
             ,
             either
             of
             them
             Witnesses
             against
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             they
             were
             not
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             They
             did
             swear
             against
             me
             at
             the
             finding
             of
             the
             Bill
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             We
             have
             only
             called
             these
             Witnesses
             ,
             if
             you
             can
             say
             any
             thing
             against
             them
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             
               Henry
               Hickman
            
             ,
          
        
         
           (
           who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Holl.
            
             
          
           
             Where
             do
             you
             live
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             At
             Holborn-bridge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             What
             Trade
             are
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             A
             Cabinet-maker
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             Haynes
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             very
             well
             ;
             because
             he
             used
             to
             come
             to
             my
             house
             to
             a
             Popish
             Widow
             that
             was
             a
             Lodger
             in
             my
             house
             where
             I
             live
             now
             ;
             and
             this
             person
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             at
             Haynes's
             when
             he
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             in
             the
             Fleet.
             I
             always
             had
             a
             suspicion
             he
             was
             a
             Priest
             ,
             not
             that
             I
             could
             accuse
             him
             really
             of
             any
             thing
             ,
             but
             he
             several
             times
             using
             to
             come
             to
             my
             house
             I
             thought
             so
             of
             him
             ,
             and
             discoursing
             with
             my
             Land-lady
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Your
             Tenant
             you
             mean
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Tenant
             .
             I
             asked
             her
             ,
             what
             this
             fellow
             was
             ;
             said
             she
             ,
             he
             is
             a
             very
             dangerous
             Fellow
             though
             he
             is
             a
             Papist
             ,
             and
             I
             am
             one
             my self
             ,
             yet
             he
             is
             a
             dangerous
             person
             ,
             and
             he
             does
             not
             much
             care
             what
             he
             swears
             against
             any
             one
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             This
             your
             Tenant
             told
             you
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             know
             your self
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             Another
             time
             he
             came
             to
             speak
             with
             my
             Tenant
             Mrs.
             Scot
             ,
             who
             is
             now
             gone
             into
             Ireland
             ;
             when
             he
             came
             to
             the
             house
             ,
             he
             asked
             me
             ,
             is
             Mrs.
             Scot
             within
             ?
             Yes
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             Mr.
             Haynes
             ,
             she
             is
             above
             ;
             and
             up
             he
             goes
             ,
             and
             there
             they
             locked
             the
             door
             ,
             and
             plucked
             out
             the
             key
             ;
             so
             I
             slipt
             off
             my
             Shoes
             ,
             for
             I
             thought
             there
             might
             be
             more
             danger
             from
             such
             people
             than
             I
             could
             discover
             any
             other
             way
             .
             So
             I
             went
             up
             stairs
             ,
             and
             stood
             at
             the
             door
             ,
             and
             hearkned
             ,
             hearing
             my
             Land-lady
             talk
             something
             to
             him
             ,
             he
             wraps
             out
             a
             great
             Oath
             ,
             
               God
               dam
               me
            
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             
               I
               care
               not
               what
               I
               swear
               ,
               nor
               who
               I
               swear
               against
               ;
               for
               't
               is
               my
               Trade
               to
               get
               money
               by
               swearing
               .
            
             Whereupon
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             came
             down
             as
             fast
             as
             I
             could
             ,
             and
             a
             little
             after
             I
             saw
             him
             go
             out
             ,
             and
             as
             soon
             as
             my
             Land-lady
             came
             down
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             Mrs.
             Scot
             I
             desire
             you
             would
             provide
             your self
             as
             soon
             as
             you
             can
             ;
             I
             would
             be
             civil
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             I
             would
             not
             put
             you
             to
             a
             Non-plus
             ,
             because
             your
             Goods
             by
             the
             Law
             will
             be
             seized
             for
             not
             departing
             according
             to
             the
             King's
             Proclamation
             .
             So
             a
             while
             ago
             since
             this
             business
             of
             Haynes's
             swearing
             against
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftsbury
             ,
             I
             bethought
             my self
             of
             some
             other
             businesses
             I
             had
             heard
             :
             To
             find
             out
             the
             Knavery
             I
             went
             to
             the
             Fleet
             ,
             where
             he
             hath
             a
             very
             ill
             Character
             as
             well
             amongst
             the
             Papists
             as
             the
             Protestants
             .
             Whereupon
             I
             asked
             one
             fellow
             that
             was
             a
             kind
             of
             a
             Porter
             ,
             if
             he
             knew
             any
             thing
             of
             him
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             Go
             you
             to
             such
             an
             one
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             We
             must
             not
             permit
             this
             for
             Example
             sake
             ,
             to
             tell
             what
             others
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             is
             Evidence
             ,
             but
             what
             you
             know
             of
             your
             own
             knowledge
             ;
             you
             must
             not
             tell
             what
             others
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             This
             I
             do
             say
             ,
             I
             heard
             him
             say
             ;
             and
             there
             are
             those
             that
             can
             produce
             a
             Letter
             —
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Bring
             those
             people
             ,
             but
             you
             must
             speak
             nothing
             ,
             but
             upon
             your
             own
             knowledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             I
             was
             at
             the
             Chamber
             door
             ,
             and
             looked
             in
             at
             the
             Key-hole
             ,
             and
             he
             sat
             down
             at
             the
             Window
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             ago
             was
             it
             ,
             pray
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             A
             Year
             and
             an
             half
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             You
             are
             an
             Eves-dropper
             ,
             I
             percieve
             .
          
        
         
           
             Hickm
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             not
             know
             what
             danger
             he
             might
             bring
             Men
             into
             ,
             because
             he
             was
             a
             Papist
             ..
             I
             have
             taken
             an
             Oath
             to
             be
             true
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             as
             long
             as
             I
             live
             .
             For
             this
             Gentleman
             ,
             I
             never
             beheld
             him
             ,
             till
             last
             night
             ,
             in
             all
             my
             days
             ;
             though
             he
             lived
             by
             me
             ,
             I
             never
             saw
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             call
             the
             next
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             this
             Gentleman
             ;
             but
             you
             see
             what
             Haynes
             hath
             declared
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             This
             Man
             says
             ,
             he
             did
             say
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             And
             ,
             for
             ought
             I
             perceive
             ,
             he
             does
             accordingly
             .
             Call
             
               Elizabeth
               Oliver
            
             ;
          
        
         
           (
           who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             ,
             stand
             up
             .
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             her
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             Haynes
             ,
             pray
             ?
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Pray
             tell
             the
             Court
             what
             you
             know
             of
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             him
             very
             well
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             He
             writ
             a
             Letter
             in
             my
             Father's
             name
             ,
             unknown
             to
             my
             Father
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             see
             him
             write
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             I
             saw
             him
             write
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Read
             it
             .
             By
             whom
             is
             it
             subscribed
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Clerk.
             
          
           
             By
             no
             body
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Why
             ,
             how
             is
             it
             written
             in
             your
             Father's
             name
             ,
             when
             it
             is
             not
             subscribed
             at
             all
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             he
             writ
             it
             as
             from
             my
             Father
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Whither
             did
             he
             bring
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             He
             sent
             it
             into
             the
             Country
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Can
             you
             write
             and
             read
             ,
             Mistress
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Who
             did
             he
             send
             it
             by
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             The
             Carrier
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             When
             is
             it
             dated
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Clerk.
             
          
           
             In
             77.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Read
             the
             Letter
             .
          
        
         
           (
           Which
           was
           done
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Clerk.
             
          
           
             Reads
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             all
             this
             to
             the
             purpose
             ?
             unless
             your
             Father
             were
             here
             to
             prove
             it
             was
             done
             without
             his
             knowledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             My
             Father
             did
             not
             write
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Was
             your
             Father
             in
             the
             Fleet
             then
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             he
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             more
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             known
             him
             a
             great
             while
             ;
             I
             know
             him
             to
             be
             a
             very
             ill
             Man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Must
             she
             tell
             you
             all
             she
             knows
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             ever
             know
             him
             forswear
             himself
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Oliver
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             know
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Come
             ,
             call
             another
             ;
             this
             is
             nothing
             to
             the
             purpose
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mrs.
             Hall
             :
             (
             who
             appeared
             .
             )
             Pray
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             Mr.
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             if
             I
             see
             him
             I
             know
             him
             very
             well
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             He
             lodged
             at
             my
             House
             ,
             and
             came
             there
             the
             day
             before
             Fitz-harris
             was
             tryed
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             a
             great
             discourse
             about
             his
             Tryal
             ,
             and
             I
             was
             enquiring
             of
             him
             ;
             and
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             I
             must
             expose
             my
             Ignorance
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             know
             what
             it
             was
             he
             was
             tried
             for
             :
             And
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             if
             you
             please
             to
             sit
             down
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             :
             Madam
             
             Portsmouth
             came
             to
             him
             ,
             and
             went
             upon
             her
             knees
             ,
             and
             begg'd
             of
             him
             ,
             if
             he
             had
             any
             kindness
             for
             His
             Majesty
             ,
             that
             he
             would
             now
             shew
             it
             at
             this
             juncture
             ;
             and
             she
             told
             him
             she
             had
             heard
             he
             had
             formerly
             Acquaintance
             with
             one
             Mr.
             Everard
             abroad
             ,
             and
             therefore
             desired
             him
             to
             go
             now
             and
             renew
             it
             ,
             and
             endeavour
             to
             get
             him
             over
             ;
             and
             ,
             if
             he
             could
             possibly
             ,
             to
             get
             over
             some
             others
             to
             make
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             of
             it
             .
             This
             is
             true
             ,
             I
             very
             well
             know
             it
             ;
             as
             for
             this
             Gentleman
             ,
             I
             never
             saw
             his
             face
             before
             ,
             but
             those
             were
             the
             words
             I
             am
             sure
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             were
             the
             words
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             That
             they
             might
             make
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             say
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             He
             said
             that
             the
             Dutchess
             of
             Portsmouth
             did
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             a
             story
             is
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             not
             he
             say
             that
             the
             Dutchess
             of
             Portsmouth
             employed
             him
             too
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             this
             was
             about
             Fitz-harris
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             more
             about
             Haynes
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             One
             night
             he
             had
             been
             about
             some
             business
             for
             me
             in
             Law
             with
             one
             Mr.
             Woodward
             an
             Attorney
             at
             Law
             ,
             and
             when
             he
             returned
             I
             was
             busie
             in
             the
             Kitchin
             with
             my
             Maid
             about
             the
             House
             ,
             and
             he
             came
             up
             to
             me
             ;
             Madam
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             this
             night
             I
             had
             a
             Message
             from
             the
             King
             ;
             a
             Justice
             of
             Peace
             met
             me
             ,
             and
             brought
             me
             word
             ,
             that
             the
             King
             had
             sent
             into
             Ireland
             ,
             to
             enquire
             into
             the
             Loyalty
             of
             my
             Family
             ,
             and
             he
             hath
             heard
             that
             my
             Father
             was
             a
             Loyal
             Subject
             ,
             but
             he
             understood
             strange
             things
             of
             me
             ;
             but
             if
             I
             would
             come
             in
             ,
             he
             would
             grant
             me
             my
             Pardon
             .
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             value
             His
             Majesty's
             Pardon
             a
             Pin
             ,
             for
             I
             had
             done
             nothing
             that
             might
             make
             me
             stand
             in
             need
             of
             it
             ;
             but
             I
             would
             do
             any
             thing
             that
             might
             tend
             to
             the
             preservation
             of
             His
             Majesty's
             Person
             or
             Honour
             ;
             but
             to
             do
             such
             base
             things
             as
             are
             beneath
             a
             Man
             ,
             I
             will
             never
             do
             it
             ;
             and
             he
             whisper'd
             me
             in
             the
             ear
             (
             as
             the
             accusing
             of
             several
             Persons
             ;
             )
             and
             since
             ,
             he
             sent
             me
             a
             Letter
             by
             his
             Mother
             in
             Law
             ,
             Mrs.
             Wingfield
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             not
             believe
             it
             ,
             if
             I
             heard
             he
             should
             accuse
             any
             body
             ;
             but
             I
             might
             be
             confident
             he
             had
             not
             ,
             nor
             would
             accuse
             any
             body
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Was
             he
             to
             swear
             against
             the
             Protestants
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             I
             did
             not
             enquire
             any
             Questions
             ;
             but
             he
             said
             ,
             such
             base
             things
             he
             would
             never
             do
             as
             the
             accusing
             of
             several
             Persons
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Pray
             Mistress
             ,
             did
             you
             believe
             him
             when
             he
             told
             you
             he
             was
             so
             honest
             a
             Man
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             How
             do
             you
             mean
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             When
             he
             said
             he
             would
             not
             do
             those
             base
             things
             ,
             did
             you
             believe
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             his
             face
             before
             he
             came
             there
             to
             lodge
             ;
             but
             I
             saw
             him
             to
             to
             be
             a
             Man
             that
             made
             little
             Conscience
             of
             what
             he
             said
             or
             swore
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Did
             not
             you
             find
             him
             a
             bragging
             Man
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             I
             had
             little
             discourse
             ,
             but
             what
             he
             said
             of
             himself
             .
             But
             there
             is
             one
             thing
             more
             about
             an
             Intelligence
             :
             When
             Thompson
             had
             written
             something
             in
             his
             Intelligence
             concerning
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ,
             he
             said
             he
             would
             write
             an
             Answer
             to
             it
             ;
             and
             accordingly
             ,
             he
             read
             it
             to
             us
             :
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             was
             going
             that
             Evening
             to
             get
             it
             put
             into
             one
             of
             the
             Intelligences
             :
             the
             words
             were
             to
             this
             purpose
             .
             
               Whereas
               one
               
                 Nathaniel
                 Thompson
              
               had
               falsely
               and
               maliciously
               accused
               one
               
                 Bryan
                 Haynes
              
               for
               speaking
               Treasonable
               Words
               ;
               he
               the
               said
               
                 Bryan
                 Haynes
              
               doth
               declare
               that
               he
               challenges
               any
               Man
               to
               charge
               him
               with
               it
               :
               but
               he
               owned
               he
               had
               an
               hand
               ,
               or
               was
               employed
               to
               put
               the
               Plot
               upon
               the
               dissenting
               Protestants
               .
            
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             publish
             that
             in
             the
             Intelligence
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             I
             never
             read
             it
             published
             ;
             but
             he
             had
             writ
             it
             ,
             and
             read
             it
             to
             us
             several
             times
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             go
             to
             Church
             ,
             Mistress
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Hall.
             
          
           
             I
             hope
             I
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             
               Geo.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             To
             what
             Church
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             
               Mary
               Richards
            
             ,
             Mrs.
             Halls
             Maid
             .
          
        
         
           (
           Who
           stood
           up
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             will
             you
             ask
             her
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             this
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ,
             pray
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             lodged
             there
             where
             I
             lived
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             he
             writ
             that
             in
             the
             Intelligence
             my
             Mistress
             spoke
             of
             ;
             Thomson
             ,
             in
             his
             Intelligence
             ,
             accusing
             him
             of
             having
             spoken
             Treason
             ,
             he
             read
             what
             he
             said
             he
             would
             put
             into
             the
             Intelligence
             :
             That
             he
             never
             spake
             one
             word
             of
             Treason
             ,
             and
             he
             writ
             it
             for
             his
             own
             vindication
             ;
             that
             whereas
             
               Nathaniel
               Thomson
            
             ,
             in
             his
             Intelligence
             of
             the
             18th
             .
             of
             June
             ,
             had
             maliciously
             accused
             one
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             of
             Treasonable
             Words
             ;
             there
             was
             no
             such
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             And
             that
             was
             to
             vindicate
             him
             ,
             that
             he
             never
             did
             speak
             any
             Treasonable
             Words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             her
             any
             thing
             else
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             what
             she
             says
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             She
             says
             ,
             he
             writ
             something
             that
             was
             in
             Answer
             to
             Thomson's
             Intelligence
             ,
             to
             vindicate
             himself
             that
             he
             never
             did
             speak
             any
             Treasonable
             Words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             But
             did
             you
             hear
             him
             say
             any
             thing
             of
             these
             words
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             employed
             in
             a
             Plot
             against
             the
             Protestants
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             I
             read
             that
             ,
             in
             what
             he
             writ
             to
             put
             in
             the
             Intelligence
             ,
             that
             he
             challenged
             any
             one
             to
             appear
             ,
             and
             charge
             him
             with
             Treason
             ;
             but
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             own
             that
             I
             was
             employed
             or
             had
             a
             hand
             in
             putting
             the
             Plot
             upon
             the
             dissenting
             Protestants
             :
             and
             he
             telling
             my
             Mistress
             he
             had
             a
             Message
             from
             the
             King
             ,
             offering
             him
             his
             Pardon
             ;
             I
             asked
             him
             why
             he
             did
             not
             accept
             the
             King's
             Pardon
             .
             Alass
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             you
             do
             not
             understand
             what
             I
             was
             to
             do
             for
             it
             ;
             I
             was
             to
             do
             such
             base
             things
             so
             beneath
             a
             Man
             ,
             that
             I
             will
             never
             do
             them
             :
             I
             had
             five
             hundred
             Pounds
             offered
             me
             ,
             besides
             the
             King's
             Pardon
             ,
             to
             do
             such
             base
             things
             as
             are
             beneath
             a
             Man
             to
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             were
             the
             base
             things
             he
             said
             he
             was
             to
             do
             ,
             and
             would
             not
             do
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             say
             to
             me
             what
             they
             were
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             When
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             a
             Week
             before
             he
             was
             taken
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             That
             is
             two
             Months
             ago
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             since
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxford
             :
             But
             what
             was
             that
             he
             was
             employed
             to
             do
             ,
             did
             he
             say
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Richards
             .
          
           
             Why
             ,
             he
             said
             in
             his
             Answer
             to
             the
             Intelligence
             ,
             he
             was
             one
             that
             had
             an
             hand
             to
             put
             the
             Plot
             upon
             the
             dissenting
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mrs.
             Wingfield
             ;
          
        
         
           (
           who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             your
             Christian
             Name
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Wingfield
             .
          
           
             Mary
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             her
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             this
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ,
             pray
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Wingfield
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             very
             well
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Wingfield
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             him
             ,
             but
             he
             is
             an
             honest
             Man
             ;
             he
             married
             my
             Daughter
             ,
             and
             always
             carried
             himself
             like
             a
             Gentleman
             ;
             he
             scorns
             the
             thing
             that
             is
             unhandsome
             ,
             and
             never
             did
             any
             thing
             that
             is
             unhandsome
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             how
             came
             you
             by
             this
             Witness
             ?
             Have
             you
             any
             more
             of
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             her
             before
             ,
             but
             I
             believe
             she
             hath
             said
             something
             else
             in
             another
             place
             .
             Did
             you
             ever
             say
             the
             contrary
             ,
             pray
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Wingfield
             .
          
           
             No
             body
             can
             say
             so
             ;
             and
             I
             had
             done
             the
             Gentleman
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             wrong
             if
             I
             had
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Whaley
             .
          
        
         
           (
           Who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             your
             Name
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whaley
             .
          
           
             
               John
               Whaley
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             know
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Where
             do
             you
             dwell
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whaley
             .
          
           
             At
             the
             Hermitage
             ,
             beyond
             the
             Tower.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             don't
             know
             you
             ,
             Sir
             ;
             but
             what
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whaley
             ,
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             you
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             till
             to
             day
             ;
             but
             that
             which
             I
             think
             I
             am
             called
             for
             is
             this
             ,
             though
             it
             was
             upon
             Sunday
             that
             I
             receiv'd
             this
             same
             Subpoena
             to
             come
             down
             hither
             :
             but
             about
             six
             Years
             ago
             ,
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             in
             the
             
               King's
               Bench
            
             ,
             
             and
             he
             came
             down
             to
             the
             Cellar
             which
             I
             had
             taken
             of
             the
             Marshal
             to
             sell
             Drink
             in
             ;
             and
             coming
             down
             to
             drink
             in
             one
             of
             the
             Rooms
             of
             the
             Cellar
             that
             belong
             to
             me
             ,
             he
             took
             away
             a
             Tankard
             ,
             and
             went
             up
             with
             it
             .
             One
             of
             the
             Men
             followed
             him
             up
             ;
             so
             I
             went
             to
             the
             Marshal
             to
             complain
             ,
             and
             told
             him
             of
             it
             :
             and
             the
             Marshal
             took
             him
             from
             the
             Master's
             Side
             ,
             and
             put
             him
             into
             the
             Common
             Side
             .
             That
             is
             all
             I
             know
             of
             him
             any
             way
             ,
             directly
             or
             indirectly
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Why
             did
             you
             not
             indict
             him
             of
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whaley
             .
          
           
             I
             acquainted
             the
             next
             Justice
             of
             the
             Peace
             ,
             who
             was
             the
             Marshal
             ;
             and
             he
             put
             him
             from
             the
             Master's
             Side
             ,
             into
             the
             Common
             Side
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             He
             was
             no
             good
             Justice
             of
             the
             Peace
             in
             the
             mean
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             
               John
               Lun
            
             .
             (
             Who
             appeared
             .
             )
             Do
             you
             know
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             ,
             Mr.
             Lun
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             seen
             him
             twice
             :
             the
             first
             time
             I
             ever
             saw
             him
             was
             ,
             I
             went
             into
             the
             Derby-Ale-House
             ,
             to
             enquire
             for
             one
             Miclethwayte
             ,
             a
             Kinsman
             of
             mine
             ,
             and
             there
             this
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             was
             in
             a
             little
             Room
             next
             the
             Ditch
             ,
             near
             the
             Door
             that
             goes
             out
             there
             ,
             as
             if
             he
             were
             asleep
             ,
             and
             he
             roused
             himself
             up
             ;
             and
             ,
             as
             I
             was
             walking
             there
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             will
             you
             take
             part
             of
             a
             Tankard
             with
             me
             :
             (
             That
             was
             his
             expression
             .
             )
             With
             that
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             care
             if
             I
             do
             .
             And
             the
             first
             thing
             he
             began
             was
             the
             King's
             Health
             ,
             then
             the
             Queens
             ,
             then
             the
             Duke
             of
             York's
             ;
             then
             he
             fell
             very
             foul
             against
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             ,
             because
             they
             had
             not
             found
             the
             Bill
             against
             Colledge
             ,
             who
             is
             a
             Gentleman
             that
             I
             never
             saw
             before
             in
             my
             life
             but
             once
             ,
             as
             I
             know
             of
             :
             and
             he
             said
             ,
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             was
             a
             little
             Toad
             ,
             but
             he
             would
             do
             his
             business
             very
             suddenly
             .
             Then
             he
             railed
             upon
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             said
             they
             were
             a
             Company
             of
             Rogues
             ,
             they
             would
             give
             the
             King
             no
             Money
             ,
             but
             he
             would
             help
             him
             to
             Money
             enough
             out
             of
             the
             Phanaticks
             Estates
             .
             And
             he
             said
             ,
             they
             would
             damn
             their
             Souls
             to
             the
             Devil
             before
             the
             Catholick
             Cause
             should
             sink
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Holloway
            
             .
          
           
             When
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             three
             or
             four
             days
             after
             the
             Bill
             was
             brought
             in
             Ignoramus
             by
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             Was
             he
             alone
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             he
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Is
             that
             all
             you
             have
             to
             say
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             One
             thing
             more
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             On
             Monday
             last
             I
             was
             at
             Uxbridge
             ,
             and
             a
             Gentleman
             sent
             his
             Man
             on
             purpose
             to
             let
             me
             know
             I
             must
             go
             to
             Colebrook
             ,
             and
             stay
             till
             they
             came
             thither
             .
             When
             I
             came
             there
             ,
             I
             met
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             at
             the
             Crown-Kitchin-Window
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             stirring
             a
             Glass
             of
             Brandy
             ,
             and
             sweetning
             it
             with
             Sugar
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             will
             you
             drink
             ?
             Here
             is
             the
             King's
             Health
             to
             you
             :
             So
             I
             drank
             ,
             and
             I
             asked
             him
             how
             he
             did
             ?
             Do
             you
             know
             me
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             said
             he
             ?
             Yes
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             drank
             with
             you
             once
             .
             Says
             he
             ,
             you
             have
             a
             good
             Memory
             .
             So
             then
             a
             Pint
             of
             Sack
             was
             called
             for
             ,
             and
             after
             that
             another
             ,
             and
             then
             came
             down
             Mrs.
             Peacock
             ;
             and
             being
             very
             fine
             ,
             all
             in
             her
             Flower'd
             Silks
             ,
             I
             asked
             what
             Gentlewoman
             that
             was
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             It
             is
             Mrs.
             Fitz-harris
             .
             No
             ,
             says
             I
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             ;
             they
             say
             she
             is
             gone
             .
             But
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             it
             is
             her
             Maid
             ;
             and
             Sheriff
             Bethel
             is
             to
             marry
             her
             .
             As
             I
             have
             a
             Soul
             to
             save
             ,
             I
             tell
             you
             nothing
             but
             what
             is
             truth
             .
             Thereupon
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             Sheriff
             Bethel
             is
             able
             to
             maintain
             her
             ;
             he
             hath
             a
             good
             Estate
             .
             But
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             it
             shall
             be
             the
             King
             's
             e'er
             long
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             So
             that
             here
             is
             a
             plain
             design
             against
             all
             the
             eminent
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             So
             with
             that
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             if
             it
             please
             your
             Honour
             ,
             I
             clapped
             my
             Groat
             down
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             and
             went
             out
             of
             the
             Room
             .
             Nay
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             let
             us
             have
             one
             Health
             more
             :
             and
             so
             he
             had
             his
             Tankard
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             mine
             .
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             I
             humbly
             desire
             you
             to
             call
             for
             Mr.
             White
             ,
             the
             King's
             Messenger
             ,
             who
             was
             by
             .
             I
             never
             saw
             the
             Man
             before
             he
             was
             at
             Uxbridge
             ;
             and
             asking
             Mr.
             White
             who
             he
             was
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             His
             Name
             is
             Lun
             ,
             he
             was
             my
             Prisoner
             two
             Years
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             to
             the
             discourse
             he
             talks
             of
             at
             Fleet-Bridge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Haynes
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             upon
             my
             Oath
             ,
             and
             I
             never
             saw
             him
             in
             my
             life
             before
             I
             saw
             him
             at
             Uxbridge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             I
             will
             take
             the
             Sacrament
             upon
             it
             ,
             that
             what
             I
             have
             averred
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             I
             suppose
             you
             are
             both
             known
             ,
             and
             then
             your
             Credit
             will
             be
             left
             to
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             There
             is
             Mr.
             White
             ;
             pray
             ,
             swear
             him
             .
          
        
         
           (
           Which
           was
           done
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             remember
             that
             Haynes
             asked
             who
             Mr.
             Lun
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             White
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             at
             the
             Bar
             of
             the
             Crown
             Inn
             at
             Uxbridge
             ,
             and
             I
             being
             there
             ,
             Mr.
             Lun
             came
             into
             the
             Yard
             ,
             and
             I
             knowing
             Mr.
             Lunn
             ,
             asked
             him
             ,
             How
             he
             did
             ;
             he
             said
             ,
             He
             was
             glad
             to
             see
             me
             ;
             and
             he
             called
             for
             a
             Pint
             of
             Sack
             to
             make
             me
             drink
             .
             Haynes
             stood
             by
             ,
             and
             he
             asked
             ,
             Who
             he
             was
             ?
             and
             I
             told
             him
             ;
             and
             we
             drank
             the
             King's
             health
             ;
             but
             for
             any
             thing
             of
             those
             words
             that
             were
             spoken
             there
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             I
             did
             hear
             not
             one
             word
             of
             them
             ,
             but
             he
             thanked
             me
             for
             my
             civility
             when
             I
             summoned
             him
             up
             to
             Court
             ,
             and
             seeing
             Mr.
             Haynes
             by
             ,
             he
             asked
             ,
             who
             he
             was
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             And
             you
             take
             it
             upon
             your
             Oath
             ,
             that
             he
             asked
             you
             ,
             who
             Haynes
             was
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             White
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Pray
             did
             you
             hear
             any
             discourse
             that
             time
             as
             if
             there
             had
             been
             a
             meeting
             upon
             Fleet-bridge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             White
             .
          
           
             Not
             one
             word
             of
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             I
             will
             take
             the
             Sacrament
             upon
             it
             ,
             what
             I
             say
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             We
             know
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Lun
             ;
             we
             only
             ask
             questions
             about
             you
             ,
             that
             the
             Jury
             may
             know
             you
             too
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             we
             .
             We
             remember
             what
             once
             you
             swore
             about
             an
             Army
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             don't
             know
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lun
             .
          
           
             I
             don't
             come
             here
             to
             give
             Evidence
             of
             any
             thing
             but
             the
             truth
             ;
             I
             was
             never
             upon
             my
             knees
             before
             the
             Parliament
             for
             any
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Nor
             I
             neither
             for
             much
             ;
             but
             yet
             once
             you
             were
             ,
             when
             you
             cryed
             ,
             
               Scatter
               them
               good
               Lord.
            
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Broadgate
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             your
             Christian
             name
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Broadg.
             
          
           
             Jeremiah
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Broadg.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             a
             Stranger
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ;
             what
             I
             have
             to
             say
             is
             concerning
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             whom
             I
             met
             one
             day
             ,
             and
             he
             asked
             me
             ,
             how
             I
             did
             ?
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             owe
             you
             a
             little
             money
             ,
             but
             I
             will
             pay
             you
             in
             a
             short
             time
             ;
             but
             if
             you
             will
             go
             to
             drink
             a
             Glass
             of
             Ale
             ;
             No
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             am
             in
             haste
             ,
             and
             do
             not
             care
             for
             going
             to
             drink
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             You
             shall
             go
             ;
             so
             away
             we
             went
             ,
             and
             when
             we
             were
             sat
             ,
             said
             ,
             he
             ,
             When
             did
             you
             see
             Turbervile
             that
             was
             my
             Lord
             Powis's
             Butler
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             He
             was
             a
             great
             Rogue
             to
             me
             ;
             and
             when
             I
             stood
             up
             for
             the
             Nations
             good
             ,
             he
             villified
             my
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             afterwards
             he
             came
             to
             me
             with
             Doctor
             
               _____
            
             to
             beg
             my
             Pardon
             ;
             but
             I
             would
             not
             forgive
             him
             for
             the
             whole
             World
             :
             And
             speaking
             of
             the
             King's
             Evidence
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             The
             King's
             Evidence
             are
             looked
             upon
             as
             nothing
             ;
             as
             poor
             inconsiderable
             mean
             Fellows
             ,
             and
             their
             Sallaries
             are
             lessened
             ;
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             have
             had
             the
             greatest
             proffers
             from
             Court
             of
             Preferment
             and
             Rewards
             ,
             if
             I
             would
             go
             from
             what
             I
             have
             said
             ,
             and
             come
             upon
             the
             contrary
             ;
             and
             he
             repeated
             it
             ,
             Yes
             ,
             upon
             the
             Faith
             of
             a
             Man
             ,
             and
             from
             the
             Highest
             ;
             But
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             have
             a
             Soul
             and
             a
             Body
             ;
             a
             Body
             for
             a
             Time
             ,
             but
             my
             Soul
             for
             Eternity
             ,
             and
             I
             cannot
             go
             from
             it
             .
             He
             went
             over
             it
             again
             ;
             I
             might
             have
             what
             I
             would
             if
             I
             would
             go
             from
             what
             I
             have
             said
             ,
             and
             come
             upon
             the
             contrary
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             But
             he
             does
             not
             go
             from
             any
             thing
             of
             what
             he
             hath
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             say
             what
             he
             was
             offered
             ,
             and
             by
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Broadg.
             
          
           
             He
             said
             he
             had
             very
             great
             offers
             from
             the
             Court
             if
             he
             would
             disown
             the
             Plot
             ,
             and
             go
             upon
             the
             contrary
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             But
             he
             does
             not
             disown
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             he
             had
             a
             Soul
             to
             save
             ,
             and
             could
             not
             go
             from
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             You
             talk
             of
             the
             contrary
             ,
             and
             the
             contrary
             ;
             What
             did
             he
             mean
             by
             that
             ,
             what
             Plot
             should
             he
             disown
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Broadg.
             
          
           
             The
             Popish
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             He
             does
             not
             disown
             it
             ,
             nor
             never
             did
             disown
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             He
             would
             make
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             of
             it
             now
             ,
             for
             he
             cannot
             say
             I
             am
             in
             the
             Popish
             Plot.
             Sir
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             more
             of
             him
             ?
             Or
             did
             he
             name
             me
             ?
             Or
             that
             he
             was
             to
             swear
             against
             me
             ,
             or
             any
             Protestant
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Broadg.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             only
             he
             said
             the
             King's
             Evidence
             were
             villified
             ,
             and
             looked
             upon
             ,
             as
             poor
             inconsiderable
             Fellows
             ;
             but
             it
             seemed
             if
             he
             would
             go
             on
             the
             other
             side
             ,
             he
             might
             have
             great
             Preferments
             and
             Rewards
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             make
             a
             wrong
             Comment
             upon
             it
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ;
             it
             was
             if
             he
             would
             retract
             his
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             disown
             the
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             leave
             it
             to
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             ,
             to
             make
             the
             Sense
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Broadg.
             
          
           
             I
             saw
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             since
             I
             come
             hither
             ,
             and
             he
             asked
             ,
             Are
             you
             come
             ,
             Mr.
             Broadgate
             ,
             to
             give
             Evidence
             against
             me
             ?
             says
             I
             ,
             I
             am
             come
             to
             declare
             the
             truth
             ,
             and
             nothing
             but
             the
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             You
             might
             have
             stay'd
             at
             home
             for
             any
             thing
             material
             that
             you
             do
             Evidence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Zeal
             ,
          
        
         
           (
           who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             your
             Christian-name
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             John.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             would
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Holloway
            
             .
          
           
             Where
             do
             you
             dwell
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             In
             London
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Whereabouts
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             In
             Fetter-lane
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Holl.
            
             
          
           
             What
             Countryman
             are
             you
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             Somersetshire
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Whereabouts
             in
             Somersetshire
             were
             you
             born
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             By
             Sir
             Portman's
             ,
             within
             six
             Miles
             of
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             What
             Trade
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             No
             Trade
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Have
             you
             any
             Estate
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             My
             Father
             has
             .
             I
             was
             bred
             to
             wait
             upon
             a
             Person
             of
             Quality
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             Turbervile
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             Yes
             Sir
             ,
             I
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             I
             know
             nothing
             but
             what
             Mr.
             Ivy
             told
             me
             with
             his
             own
             mouth
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             your
             own
             knowledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Has
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             told
             you
             any
             thing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             Not
             concerning
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             he
             has
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Ivy
             was
             amongst
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             he
             was
             the
             first
             that
             swore
             this
             Presbyterian
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             We
             know
             of
             no
             Presbyterian
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Can
             you
             say
             nothing
             of
             your
             own
             knowledge
             concerning
             Turbervile
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Zeal
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             but
             what
             Mr.
             Ivy
             told
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             That
             is
             not
             of
             your
             own
             knowledge
             ,
             and
             so
             it
             is
             nothing
             ,
             for
             he
             is
             not
             produced
             in
             this
             Cause
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             give
             me
             leave
             to
             call
             Mr.
             Ivy.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Do
             if
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           (
           He
           stood
           up
           .
           )
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             was
             that
             you
             heard
             Turbervile
             say
             of
             me
             ,
             or
             of
             any
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             I
             never
             heard
             him
             say
             any
             thing
             concerning
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             not
             you
             tell
             Zeale
             of
             such
             a
             thing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             never
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Hark
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Ivy
             ;
             you
             have
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             have
             you
             not
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             What
             I
             have
             sworn
             against
             you
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             person
             ,
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             have
             you
             sworn
             against
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             not
             bound
             to
             answer
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             not
             you
             call
             me
             out
             ,
             with
             Macnamarra
             and
             Haynes
             ,
             to
             the
             Hercules
             Pillars
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             something
             for
             Law
             ;
             and
             to
             set
             you
             right
             ;
             whatsoever
             Witnesses
             you
             call
             ,
             you
             call
             them
             as
             Witnesses
             to
             testifie
             the
             truth
             for
             you
             ;
             and
             if
             you
             ask
             them
             any
             Questions
             ,
             you
             must
             take
             what
             they
             have
             said
             as
             truth
             :
             therefore
             you
             must
             not
             think
             to
             ask
             him
             any
             Question
             ,
             and
             afterwards
             call
             another
             Witness
             to
             disprove
             your
             own
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             ask
             him
             ,
             was
             he
             the
             first
             time
             with
             us
             ,
             when
             I
             was
             called
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             to
             hear
             Haynes's
             Discovery
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Let
             him
             answer
             you
             if
             he
             will
             ,
             but
             you
             must
             not
             afterwards
             go
             to
             disprove
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             If
             he
             were
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             ask
             him
             any
             Questions
             ,
             for
             he
             is
             among
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Ask
             him
             what
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             desire
             not
             if
             he
             have
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             for
             truly
             I
             can't
             expect
             a
             good
             Answer
             from
             him
             ;
             but
             he
             was
             by
             when
             Haynes
             made
             his
             Discovery
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             Questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             ask
             whether
             he
             hath
             given
             any
             Evidence
             against
             me
             any
             where
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             not
             bound
             to
             answer
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Tell
             him
             if
             you
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Then
             I
             think
             he
             is
             no
             good
             Witness
             for
             me
             ,
             when
             he
             hath
             sworn
             against
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Ivy.
             
          
           
             I
             have
             sworn
             against
             him
             and
             others
             .
             You
             know
             that
             you
             and
             I
             have
             had
             a
             great
             many
             Intrigues
             about
             this
             business
             in
             hand
             ,
             and
             how
             we
             dealt
             with
             Mr.
             Haynes
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             ;
             he
             does
             not
             call
             you
             for
             a
             Witness
             for
             him
             ,
             you
             can
             testifie
             nothing
             ,
             and
             so
             you
             must
             be
             quiet
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
        
         
           (
           Who
           appeared
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             your
             Christian
             Name
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
           
             William
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Pray
             Mr.
             Lewes
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             know
             about
             Turbervile
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             at
             all
             ,
             I
             assure
             you
             ,
             of
             him
             that
             is
             ill
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             concerning
             any
             of
             the
             Evidence
             that
             hath
             been
             given
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             knew
             any
             thing
             relating
             to
             you
             ,
             I
             would
             declare
             it
             ;
             but
             I
             know
             something
             of
             Mr.
             Ivy
             :
             it
             has
             no
             relation
             to
             you
             ,
             as
             I
             conceive
             ,
             but
             against
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftsbury
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             would
             call
             Ivy
             for
             a
             Witness
             ,
             and
             now
             you
             call
             one
             against
             him
             ;
             and
             that
             I
             told
             you
             ;
             you
             must
             not
             do
             ,
             but
             Ivy
             is
             not
             at
             all
             in
             this
             Case
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             the
             rest
             of
             them
             ;
             Haynes
             ,
             or
             Smith
             ,
             or
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
           
             No
             more
             than
             what
             Mr.
             Zeale
             told
             me
             ,
             was
             told
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
           
             If
             the
             Court
             please
             to
             hear
             me
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             my
             knowledge
             of
             that
             ;
             but
             I
             know
             nothing
             that
             affects
             him
             in
             the
             least
             ,
             only
             that
             which
             concerns
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftsbury
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             nothing
             to
             the
             purpose
             ;
             call
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Lewes
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             not
             ,
             to
             my
             knowledge
             ,
             a
             word
             mentioned
             of
             your
             Name
             :
             I
             will
             do
             you
             all
             the
             Justice
             I
             can
             ;
             if
             I
             knew
             any
             thing
             concerning
             you
             ,
             I
             would
             be
             sure
             to
             relate
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             cannot
             say
             who
             can
             ,
             or
             who
             cannot
             ;
             I
             am
             a
             Stranger
             to
             all
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             call
             your
             next
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             Petition
             presented
             to
             the
             Common
             Council
             of
             London
             ,
             wherein
             they
             set
             out
             ,
             that
             they
             were
             tamper'd
             withal
             about
             a
             Plot
             against
             the
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             A
             Petition
             from
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             from
             whom
             ;
             from
             some
             of
             these
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Who
             preferred
             and
             signed
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             was
             one
             .
             Pray
             call
             Doctor
             Oates
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             The
             Prisoner
             calls
             upon
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Oates
             .
             What
             would
             you
             ask
             him
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Where
             is
             the
             Petition
             to
             the
             Common
             Council
             ,
             Doctor
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             it
             here
             in
             my
             hand
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             By
             whom
             was
             it
             presented
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             given
             by
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             and
             Mr.
             Macnamarra
             ,
             to
             Mr.
             Wilmore
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Was
             you
             present
             when
             it
             was
             delivered
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Wilmore
             did
             deliver
             it
             to
             me
             before
             he
             was
             apprehended
             ;
             for
             ,
             being
             to
             come
             down
             as
             a
             Witness
             ,
             he
             was
             taken
             up
             ,
             and
             committed
             to
             Prison
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Whose
             Hands
             are
             to
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             Mr.
             Turbervile's
             Hand
             ,
             he
             will
             not
             disown
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Clerk.
             
          
           
             Reads
             .
             It
             is
             subscribed
             
               Edward
               Turbervile
               ,
               John
               Macnamarra
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ;
             what
             word
             is
             there
             in
             all
             this
             Petition
             that
             is
             a
             contradiction
             to
             what
             they
             have
             said
             now
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             did
             not
             hear
             it
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             They
             say
             ,
             they
             are
             constant
             Witnesses
             for
             the
             King
             ,
             against
             the
             Papists
             ;
             and
             they
             have
             been
             tempted
             to
             unsay
             what
             they
             have
             said
             :
             how
             does
             that
             contradict
             what
             they
             say
             now
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             suppose
             they
             say
             they
             have
             been
             tempted
             to
             turn
             the
             Plot
             upon
             other
             people
             ,
             and
             to
             make
             a
             Plot
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             They
             have
             been
             tempted
             ,
             they
             say
             ,
             by
             the
             Papists
             ,
             to
             unsay
             what
             they
             have
             said
             ;
             but
             the
             Jury
             have
             heard
             it
             read
             ,
             and
             will
             give
             it
             its
             due
             weight
             .
             Will
             you
             ask
             Mr.
             Oates
             any
             Questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             Turbervile
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             a
             little
             before
             the
             Witnesses
             were
             sworn
             at
             the
             
               Old
               Bayley
            
             ,
             I
             met
             with
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ;
             I
             was
             in
             a
             Coach
             ,
             but
             seeing
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ,
             I
             stept
             out
             of
             the
             Coach
             ,
             and
             spoke
             with
             him
             ;
             for
             ,
             hearing
             that
             he
             was
             a
             Witness
             ,
             I
             did
             ask
             him
             whether
             he
             was
             a
             Witness
             ,
             or
             no
             ,
             against
             Colledge
             ?
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             said
             ,
             he
             would
             break
             any
             one's
             head
             that
             should
             say
             so
             against
             him
             ;
             for
             he
             neither
             was
             a
             Witness
             ,
             nor
             could
             give
             any
             Evidence
             against
             him
             .
             So
             ,
             after
             he
             came
             from
             Oxon
             ,
             I
             met
             with
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             again
             ;
             and
             ,
             hearing
             he
             had
             been
             there
             ,
             I
             asked
             him
             if
             he
             had
             sworn
             any
             thing
             against
             Colledge
             ?
             He
             said
             ,
             Yes
             ,
             he
             had
             been
             sworn
             before
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             did
             not
             you
             tell
             me
             so
             and
             so
             ?
             Why
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             the
             Protestant
             Citizens
             have
             deserted
             us
             ;
             and
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               him
            
             ,
             he
             would
             not
             starve
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Would
             he
             say
             so
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             he
             said
             those
             very
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             Mr.
             Oates
             Saying
             ,
             't
             is
             Mr.
             Turbervile's
             Oath
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Several
             times
             he
             did
             repeat
             it
             ;
             but
             when
             I
             asked
             him
             what
             he
             had
             sworn
             ,
             he
             said
             I
             am
             not
             bound
             to
             satisfie
             peoples
             Curiosities
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             to
             it
             ,
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             the
             first
             part
             of
             the
             Doctor
             's
             discourse
             ,
             in
             part
             is
             true
             ;
             I
             met
             him
             just
             at
             my
             Lodgings
             ,
             and
             the
             Doctor
             alighted
             out
             of
             his
             Coach
             ,
             and
             spoke
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             invited
             me
             to
             come
             to
             my
             old
             Friends
             ;
             for
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             they
             had
             some
             jealousie
             that
             I
             was
             not
             true
             to
             them
             :
             and
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             if
             I
             would
             come
             to
             the
             King's
             Head
             Club
             ,
             I
             should
             be
             received
             with
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             kindness
             :
             and
             never
             afterwards
             did
             I
             speak
             with
             the
             Doctor
             a
             tittle
             about
             any
             Evidence
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             He
             says
             ,
             you
             said
             you
             would
             break
             any
             one's
             head
             ,
             that
             said
             you
             were
             an
             Evidence
             against
             Colledge
             ;
             for
             you
             were
             not
             ,
             nor
             could
             be
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             no
             such
             thing
             said
             by
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Upon
             your
             Oath
             ,
             did
             you
             tell
             him
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             Upon
             my
             Oath
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             tell
             him
             that
             other
             passage
             ,
             when
             you
             swore
             you
             would
             not
             starve
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Upon
             the
             word
             of
             a
             Priest
             ,
             what
             I
             say
             is
             true
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             say
             ,
             as
             I
             am
             a
             Minister
             ,
             I
             speak
             it
             sincerely
             ,
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             God
             ;
             this
             Gentleman
             did
             say
             these
             words
             to
             me
             ;
             which
             made
             me
             afraid
             of
             the
             man
             ,
             and
             I
             went
             my
             ways
             ,
             and
             never
             spake
             with
             him
             afterwards
             ,
             nor
             durst
             I
             ;
             for
             I
             thought
             he
             that
             would
             swear
             &
             curse
             after
             that
             rate
             ,
             was
             not
             fit
             to
             be
             talked
             with
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             very
             improbable
             that
             he
             should
             say
             so
             to
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             .
          
           
             I
             always
             looked
             upon
             Dr.
             Oates
             as
             a
             very
             ill
             man
             ,
             and
             never
             would
             converse
             much
             with
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             thing
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             the
             rest
             ,
             Doctor
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             Turbervile
             further
             ,
             but
             that
             he
             did
             present
             this
             Petition
             ,
             wherein
             he
             says
             ,
             he
             lay
             under
             great
             temptations
             to
             go
             on
             the
             other
             side
             ,
             and
             accuse
             some
             Protestants
             .
             And
             truly
             till
             I
             heard
             he
             was
             an
             Evidence
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             after
             what
             he
             had
             said
             to
             me
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             believe
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Doctor
             Oates
             ,
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             hath
             not
             changed
             Sides
             ,
             you
             have
             ;
             he
             is
             still
             an
             Evidence
             for
             the
             King
             ,
             you
             are
             against
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             I
             am
             a
             Witness
             for
             Truth
             ,
             against
             Falshood
             and
             Subornation
             ;
             and
             it
             cannot
             plainly
             be
             made
             to
             appear
             there
             is
             Subornation
             against
             the
             Protestants
             .
             And
             moreover
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             —
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Oates
             ,
             you
             would
             do
             well
             to
             explain
             your self
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             If
             there
             be
             any
             subornation
             relating
             to
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ,
             or
             any
             of
             the
             other
             Witnesses
             that
             have
             now
             sworn
             against
             Colledge
             ,
             make
             it
             out
             Doctor
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             and
             there
             will
             be
             made
             further
             to
             appear
             in
             time
             to
             come
             .
             To
             my
             own
             knowledge
             as
             to
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             and
             Mr.
             Smith
             had
             some
             provoking
             words
             passed
             betwixt
             them
             at
             Richards
             Coffee-house
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Smith
             comes
             out
             and
             swears
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               him
               he
               would
               have
            
             Colledges
             bloud
             .
             So
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             when
             I
             met
             him
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             you
             profess
             your self
             to
             be
             a
             Priest
             ,
             and
             have
             stood
             at
             the
             Altar
             ;
             and
             now
             you
             intend
             to
             take
             upon
             you
             the
             Ministery
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             these
             words
             do
             not
             become
             a
             Minister
             of
             the
             Gospel
             ;
             his
             reply
             was
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               the
               Gospel
            
             ;
             this
             is
             truth
             ,
             I
             speak
             it
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             Man.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Can
             you
             say
             any
             thing
             of
             any
             of
             the
             other
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             As
             for
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             I
             was
             ingaged
             for
             him
             for
             50
             li.
             for
             last
             Lent
             Assizes
             ,
             he
             wanted
             money
             to
             go
             down
             to
             the
             Assizes
             ,
             having
             pay'd
             some
             debts
             ,
             and
             pay'd
             away
             all
             his
             money
             ;
             and
             so
             I
             ingaged
             for
             50
             li.
             that
             he
             borrowed
             of
             Richard
             the
             Coffee-man
             .
             After
             he
             came
             from
             Oxen
             ,
             I
             called
             upon
             him
             to
             hasten
             to
             get
             his
             money
             of
             the
             Lords
             in
             the
             Treasury
             ,
             which
             ,
             as
             near
             as
             I
             remember
             ,
             was
             ordered
             him
             upon
             his
             Petition
             ,
             for
             so
             I
             heard
             .
             And
             at
             that
             time
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             I
             hear
             there
             is
             a
             great
             noise
             of
             my
             being
             an
             Evidence
             ;
             against
             whom
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             against
             several
             Protestants
             ,
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             ,
             and
             others
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             never
             heard
             any
             thing
             of
             it
             ;
             says
             he
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             body
             hath
             any
             Cause
             to
             make
             any
             such
             Report
             of
             me
             ,
             for
             I
             call
             God
             to
             Witness
             I
             know
             nothing
             against
             any
             Protestant
             in
             England
             .
             After
             that
             I
             met
             with
             Dugdale
             at
             Richards
             Coffee-house
             ,
             and
             pressing
             him
             for
             the
             money
             ,
             and
             he
             saying
             he
             had
             it
             not
             just
             then
             ,
             but
             would
             pay
             it
             in
             a
             little
             time
             :
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             you
             have
             gone
             I
             am
             afraid
             against
             your
             Conscience
             ;
             I
             am
             sure
             against
             what
             you
             have
             declared
             to
             me
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             It
             was
             all
             long
             of
             Colonel
             Warcup
             ,
             for
             I
             could
             get
             no
             money
             else
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             is
             a
             through
             paced
             Witness
             against
             all
             the
             King's
             Evidence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             And
             yet
             Dr.
             Oates
             had
             been
             alone
             in
             some
             matters
             had
             it
             not
             been
             for
             some
             of
             these
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             I
             had
             been
             alone
             perhaps
             ,
             and
             perhaps
             not
             ;
             but
             yet
             ,
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             ,
             I
             had
             always
             a
             better
             Reputation
             than
             to
             need
             theirs
             to
             strengthen
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Does
             any
             man
             speak
             of
             your
             Reputation
             ;
             I
             know
             no
             body
             does
             meddle
             with
             it
             ,
             but
             you
             are
             so
             tender
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Sir
             George
             ,
             Now
             a
             man
             is
             upon
             his
             Life
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             you
             do
             not
             do
             well
             to
             affront
             his
             Witnesses
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             affront
             him
             ;
             but
             now
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             pray
             give
             us
             leave
             to
             call
             our
             Witnesses
             .
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             pray
             stand
             up
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             do
             you
             hear
             what
             Mr.
             Oates
             hath
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Then
             speak
             it
             again
             ,
             Mr.
             Oates
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             will
             speak
             it
             to
             his
             face
             .
             He
             said
             coming
             out
             of
             Richards
             Coffee-house
             ,
             They
             having
             had
             some
             provoking
             words
             ,
             as
             I
             understood
             when
             I
             come
             in
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               that
            
             Colledge
             ,
             
               I
               will
               have
               his
               blood
            
             ;
             and
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             when
             I
             did
             reprove
             him
             ,
             and
             said
             to
             him
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             you
             have
             been
             a
             Priest
             ,
             and
             stood
             at
             the
             Altar
             ,
             and
             intend
             to
             be
             a
             Minister
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ;
             these
             words
             do
             not
             become
             a
             Minister
             of
             the
             Gospel
             ;
             and
             he
             replied
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               the
               Gospel
            
             ;
             and
             away
             he
             went.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             to
             it
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Not
             one
             word
             of
             this
             is
             true
             ,
             upon
             my
             Oath
             .
             'T
             is
             a
             wonderful
             thing
             you
             should
             say
             this
             of
             me
             ;
             but
             ,
             I
             will
             sufficiently
             prove
             it
             against
             you
             ,
             That
             you
             have
             confounded
             the
             Gospel
             ,
             and
             denied
             the
             Divinity
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             you
             heard
             what
             was
             said
             against
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             now
             Dugdale
             is
             come
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             something
             more
             .
             There
             was
             a
             Report
             given
             out
             by
             Mr.
             Dugdale's
             means
             ,
             that
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             was
             poysoned
             ;
             and
             in
             truth
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             it
             was
             but
             the
             Pox.
             And
             this
             Sham
             passed
             throughout
             the
             Kingdom
             in
             our
             Intelligencies
             ;
             and
             this
             I
             will
             make
             appear
             by
             the
             Physician
             that
             cured
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             That
             is
             but
             by
             a
             third
             hand
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             confess
             that
             he
             had
             an
             old
             Clap
             ,
             and
             yet
             he
             gave
             out
             he
             was
             
             Poysoned
             ;
             but
             now
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             as
             to
             what
             I
             said
             before
             of
             him
             ,
             I
             was
             ingaged
             for
             50
             li.
             for
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             do
             you
             own
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             own
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             press
             upon
             you
             to
             hasten
             the
             payment
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             you
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             And
             did
             not
             you
             come
             to
             me
             and
             tell
             me
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             noise
             of
             your
             being
             an
             Evidence
             ,
             it
             was
             in
             time
             just
             before
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             was
             taken
             up
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             spoke
             to
             you
             till
             you
             spake
             to
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             he
             came
             ,
             and
             said
             to
             me
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             noise
             of
             my
             being
             an
             Evidence
             ;
             now
             I
             had
             not
             heard
             it
             then
             ;
             but
             the
             day
             after
             I
             did
             hear
             it
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             justifie
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             because
             he
             had
             said
             to
             me
             that
             he
             had
             nothing
             against
             any
             Protestant
             in
             England
             .
             So
             I
             did
             stand
             up
             in
             Vindication
             of
             him
             ;
             but
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             after
             he
             had
             sworn
             at
             the
             old
             Baily
             I
             met
             him
             again
             ,
             and
             pressed
             him
             for
             the
             money
             ,
             and
             urged
             him
             with
             it
             ,
             why
             he
             had
             sworn
             against
             Colledge
             ,
             when
             he
             had
             told
             me
             so
             and
             so
             before
             ,
             and
             he
             said
             it
             was
             all
             long
             of
             Colonel
             Warcup
             ;
             for
             he
             could
             not
             get
             his
             money
             else
             ;
             and
             Colonel
             Warcup
             did
             promise
             he
             should
             have
             a
             place
             at
             the
             Custom-house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugd.
             
          
           
             Upon
             the
             Oath
             I
             have
             taken
             ,
             and
             as
             I
             hope
             for
             salvation
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Here
             is
             Dugdale's
             Oath
             against
             Dr.
             Oates's
             saying
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             ,
             you
             shall
             hear
             of
             this
             in
             another
             place
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Attorn
               .
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             an
             unhappy
             thing
             that
             Dr.
             Oates
             should
             come
             in
             against
             these
             men
             that
             supported
             his
             Evidence
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugd.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             say
             further
             ,
             if
             any
             Doctor
             will
             come
             forth
             and
             say
             he
             cured
             me
             of
             a
             Clap
             ,
             or
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             I
             will
             stand
             Guilty
             of
             all
             that
             is
             imputed
             to
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             will
             you
             call
             any
             other
             Witnesses
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             think
             this
             is
             not
             fair
             dealing
             with
             a
             man
             for
             his
             Life
             ;
             because
             these
             men
             be
             upon
             their
             Oaths
             ,
             and
             deny
             the
             things
             again
             that
             my
             Witnesses
             prove
             ,
             therefore
             what
             they
             swear
             must
             needs
             be
             taken
             for
             truth
             :
             but
             if
             my
             Witness
             comes
             and
             says
             such
             a
             thing
             upon
             the
             word
             of
             a
             Minister
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             which
             he
             is
             ready
             to
             maintain
             by
             an
             Oath
             ,
             sure
             it
             is
             not
             to
             stand
             for
             nothing
             ;
             nor
             he
             to
             be
             hooted
             out
             of
             Court
             ,
             because
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             denies
             it
             upon
             his
             Oath
             ,
             I
             do
             suppose
             he
             will
             not
             acknowledge
             it
             .
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             the
             Prisoner
             and
             cannot
             be
             heard
             as
             a
             Witness
             for
             my self
             :
             but
             God
             is
             my
             Witness
             ,
             he
             hath
             said
             a
             great
             deal
             more
             to
             me
             formerly
             ;
             and
             he
             hath
             told
             me
             when
             I
             have
             seen
             him
             with
             Warcup
             ,
             and
             asked
             him
             why
             I
             kept
             Company
             with
             Warcup
             ,
             and
             others
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             know
             they
             are
             suspected
             men
             ,
             but
             I
             must
             keep
             Company
             with
             them
             to
             get
             my
             money
             ;
             what
             would
             you
             have
             me
             do
             ,
             starve
             .
             And
             when
             I
             lent
             him
             money
             out
             of
             my
             Pocket
             ,
             and
             trusted
             him
             with
             my
             Horse
             ,
             I
             dun'd
             him
             for
             money
             and
             could
             not
             get
             it
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             will
             you
             pay
             me
             the
             5
             li.
             I
             lent
             you
             ;
             he
             put
             me
             off
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             shall
             have
             it
             ,
             for
             the
             Attorney
             General
             hath
             made
             up
             his
             Accompts
             ,
             and
             is
             very
             kind
             to
             me
             ;
             why
             then
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             why
             have
             you
             it
             not
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             he
             is
             my
             Friend
             ,
             and
             I
             do
             not
             question
             the
             getting
             of
             it
             ;
             but
             here
             is
             new
             work
             to
             be
             done
             ,
             such
             work
             as
             my
             Conscience
             will
             not
             serve
             me
             to
             do
             ;
             there
             is
             more
             Roguery
             ,
             they
             will
             never
             have
             done
             Plotting
             ,
             and
             Counterplotting
             ;
             but
             they
             will
             make
             a
             thousand
             Plots
             if
             they
             can
             to
             destroy
             the
             real
             one
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Can
             you
             prove
             this
             now
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             it
             was
             spoken
             to
             my self
             ;
             and
             no
             body
             was
             by
             but
             my self
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Then
             you
             should
             not
             speak
             it
             .
             But
             you
             asked
             the
             question
             whether
             a
             man
             may
             not
             be
             believed
             upon
             his
             word
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             he
             that
             is
             upon
             his
             Oath
             .
             Your
             Witnesses
             are
             not
             upon
             their
             Oaths
             ,
             but
             they
             may
             be
             Witnesses
             ,
             and
             their
             weight
             is
             to
             be
             left
             with
             the
             Jury
             ;
             they
             will
             consider
             how
             improbable
             it
             is
             ,
             that
             these
             men
             should
             come
             ,
             Three
             men
             to
             One
             man
             ,
             and
             all
             of
             them
             should
             speak
             that
             which
             would
             make
             themselves
             Rogues
             and
             Villains
             ;
             and
             that
             one
             man
             of
             them
             ,
             Smith
             ,
             should
             say
             such
             vile
             words
             ,
             as
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               him
               ,
               he
               would
               have
               his
               blood
               ,
            
             and
             ,
             
               God
               damn
               the
               Gospel
            
             :
             that
             Dugdale
             should
             confess
             he
             was
             wrought
             upon
             by
             Warcup
             to
             testifie
             against
             his
             Conscience
             ;
             and
             that
             Turbervile
             should
             say
             to
             that
             purpose
             ,
             He
             would
             not
             starve
             ;
             they
             have
             sworn
             the
             contrary
             ,
             and
             so
             there
             are
             all
             these
             Three
             mens
             Oaths
             against
             One
             mans
             Affirmation
             ;
             but
             it
             must
             be
             left
             to
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             his
             Affirmation
             against
             what
             they
             three
             say
             .
             He
             charges
             every
             one
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             't
             is
             but
             the
             single
             denial
             of
             every
             one
             of
             them
             to
             his
             Charge
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             improbable
             they
             should
             own
             themselves
             such
             Villains
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             They
             must
             be
             so
             ,
             if
             they
             will
             do
             what
             they
             have
             undertaken
             .
             I
             hope
             my
             Word
             will
             be
             believed
             as
             soon
             as
             their
             Oaths
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             is
             not
             to
             be
             thought
             ,
             but
             when
             they
             have
             Sworn
             so
             against
             me
             ,
             they
             will
             deny
             any
             such
             thing
             when
             they
             are
             charged
             with
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Have
             you
             done
             with
             your
             Witnesses
             ?
             Or
             will
             you
             call
             any
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             said
             upon
             an
             honest
             mans
             word
             in
             the
             face
             of
             a
             Court
             ,
             is
             certainly
             to
             be
             believed
             as
             well
             as
             what
             is
             Sworn
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             a
             Testimony
             ,
             that
             is
             most
             certain
             ,
             and
             must
             be
             left
             to
             the
             Jury
             ,
             they
             must
             weigh
             one
             against
             the
             other
             .
             But
             pray
             Mr.
             Colledge
             will
             you
             call
             your
             Witnesses
             ,
             for
             it
             begins
             to
             grow
             late
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             Mr.
             Wilmore
             ,
             that
             was
             a
             material
             Witness
             for
             me
             ,
             who
             was
             Foreman
             of
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             ,
             that
             would
             not
             find
             the
             Bill
             upon
             this
             Evidence
             .
             What
             he
             had
             to
             say
             I
             don't
             know
             ,
             but
             I
             am
             informed
             it
             was
             very
             material
             for
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             It
             will
             be
             enough
             for
             him
             to
             clear
             himself
             ,
             for
             he
             is
             charged
             with
             High
             Treason
             ,
             and
             by
             two
             Witnesses
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             
               Alexander
               Blake
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             
               John
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Blake
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             will
             you
             tell
             the
             Court
             what
             you
             know
             of
             
               John
               Smith
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Blake
             .
          
           
             I
             suppose
             you
             mean
             this
             Gentleman
             .
             Mr.
             
               John
               Smith
            
             ,
             Gent.
             came
             to
             me
             one
             morning
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             there
             was
             one
             Haynes
             under
             Examination
             ,
             and
             this
             Haynes
             had
             Discovered
             very
             material
             things
             against
             some
             Great
             Persons
             :
             This
             passed
             ,
             and
             within
             few
             days
             after
             I
             met
             Mr.
             Smith
             at
             the
             
               Exchange
               Coffee-House
            
             ,
             and
             having
             saluted
             him
             ,
             I
             desired
             him
             to
             drink
             a
             glass
             of
             Wine
             ,
             and
             so
             we
             went
             to
             the
             Sun
             Tavern
             ,
             and
             when
             we
             were
             there
             ,
             I
             asked
             him
             ,
             what
             his
             sence
             was
             of
             Haynes
             and
             his
             Discovery
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             Sham
             Plot
             :
             I
             asked
             him
             ,
             what
             he
             meant
             by
             that
             Sham
             Plot
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             meal-tub
             Plot.
             This
             is
             all
             that
             I
             know
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Would
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             thing
             else
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Blake
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             more
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             Turbervill
             or
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Blake
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             Acquaintance
             with
             him
             ,
             nor
             desire
             it
             .
             But
             I
             was
             Acquainted
             with
             this
             Gent.
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             I
             know
             him
             very
             well
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serg.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             well
             ,
             stand
             down
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             
               Samuel
               Smith
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             ask
             you
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             he
             knows
             of
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               John
               Smith
            
             and
             I
             have
             had
             an
             Intimacy
             and
             Acquaintance
             several
             moneths
             ,
             and
             since
             
               Mr.
               John
               Smith
            
             swore
             at
             the
             
               Old
               Baily
            
             against
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             and
             was
             gone
             out
             of
             Town
             ,
             several
             People
             have
             talked
             with
             me
             concerning
             him
             ,
             and
             asking
             me
             ,
             what
             I
             thought
             of
             him
             ?
             I
             told
             them
             ,
             I
             believed
             he
             was
             an
             honest
             man
             ,
             however
             I
             would
             not
             believe
             otherwise
             till
             I
             knew
             a
             Reason
             of
             it
             .
             They
             told
             me
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             sworn
             against
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             at
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             that
             there
             was
             1500
             Barrels
             of
             Powder
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             to
             carry
             on
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             :
             Said
             I
             ,
             I
             will
             never
             believe
             it
             ,
             and
             the
             rather
             because
             he
             hath
             said
             to
             me
             often
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             but
             he
             does
             not
             believe
             any
             Presbyterian
             or
             Protestant
             Plot
             :
             and
             ,
             said
             I
             further
             ,
             as
             to
             his
             giving
             any
             Evidence
             with
             Irish-men
             ,
             I
             believe
             it
             the
             less
             for
             that
             ,
             for
             I
             have
             heard
             him
             often
             say
             ,
             they
             were
             a
             company
             of
             Rogues
             that
             had
             done
             the
             Protestant
             Interest
             more
             harm
             than
             ever
             they
             could
             do
             it
             good
             ,
             and
             bid
             me
             have
             a
             care
             of
             coming
             into
             their
             Company
             ,
             and
             many
             other
             such
             things
             ,
             that
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             here
             knows
             to
             be
             true
             .
             Then
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             when
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             came
             home
             (
             for
             I
             was
             very
             impatient
             till
             he
             did
             come
             home
             to
             hear
             every
             day
             such
             things
             said
             against
             him
             )
             I
             went
             to
             him
             to
             see
             him
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             Cousin
             Smith
             ,
             I
             have
             had
             great
             confronts
             about
             you
             since
             you
             went
             away
             ,
             but
             I
             hope
             you
             can't
             be
             that
             ill
             man
             you
             are
             represented
             to
             be
             ,
             and
             truly
             I
             should
             be
             sorry
             it
             should
             be
             so
             :
             Pray
             Cousin
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             have
             put
             every
             man
             off
             with
             this
             ,
             that
             I
             would
             suspend
             my
             belief
             of
             you
             till
             I
             had
             spoken
             with
             you
             your self
             ;
             what
             is
             the
             Evidence
             you
             have
             given
             ?
             They
             say
             ,
             you
             have
             sworn
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             or
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             a
             Design
             of
             seizing
             the
             King
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             of
             so
             many
             Barrels
             of
             Gun-powder
             that
             were
             provided
             .
             Says
             my
             Cousin
             ,
             I
             did
             swear
             no
             such
             thing
             ,
             nor
             never
             a
             word
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             as
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             or
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             and
             pray
             do
             not
             believe
             it
             of
             me
             .
             No
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             thought
             
             you
             could
             not
             swear
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             because
             you
             have
             said
             often
             to
             me
             ,
             you
             believed
             there
             was
             no
             such
             thing
             .
             I
             do
             not
             believe
             it
             yet
             said
             he
             ,
             and
             as
             to
             whatsoever
             Colledge
             said
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             believe
             it
             ,
             for
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             it
             himself
             .
             And
             Mr.
             Smith
             told
             me
             after
             his
             return
             that
             he
             did
             not
             know
             of
             any
             Protestant
             concerned
             in
             the
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             does
             not
             say
             now
             't
             is
             a
             Protestant
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Smith
            
             .
          
           
             So
             far
             from
             that
             ,
             that
             he
             told
             me
             after
             his
             Return
             he
             did
             not
             know
             any
             Protestant
             concerned
             in
             the
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             Thus
             I
             understand
             you
             .
             You
             say
             that
             he
             said
             to
             you
             ,
             That
             he
             had
             not
             testified
             anything
             of
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             nor
             did
             believe
             there
             was
             any
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             for
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             what
             Colledge
             said
             himself
             :
             So
             by
             that
             discourse
             it
             seems
             he
             did
             not
             deny
             ,
             but
             he
             had
             testified
             against
             Mr
             Colledge
             ,
             but
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             there
             was
             any
             Protestant
             Plot
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Smith
            
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             deny
             but
             he
             had
             sworn
             against
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             Nor
             that
             what
             he
             had
             said
             against
             Colledge
             was
             true
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               S.
            
             
          
           
             No
             my
             Lord
             ,
             but
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             him
             ,
             and
             he
             thought
             Colledge
             did
             not
             believe
             it
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             It
             seems
             Mr.
             Colledge
             thinks
             the
             whole
             Protestant
             Interest
             concerned
             in
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             The
             Question
             is
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             what
             you
             had
             in
             your
             mind
             ,
             not
             what
             was
             in
             the
             mind
             of
             all
             the
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               S.
            
             
          
           
             This
             I
             do
             say
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             speak
             more
             nor
             less
             than
             the
             truth
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             deny
             ,
             but
             he
             had
             heard
             Colledge
             speak
             those
             words
             he
             swore
             ,
             but
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             him
             ,
             and
             I
             think
             Mr.
             Smith
             hath
             said
             that
             ,
             at
             another
             time
             before
             Mr.
             Gardner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             he
             knew
             of
             no
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             it
             was
             very
             unlikely
             that
             I
             should
             attempt
             such
             a
             thing
             my self
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               S.
            
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             find
             Mr.
             Smith
             hath
             been
             very
             passionate
             and
             very
             inveterate
             of
             late
             against
             other
             men
             that
             he
             hath
             given
             me
             a
             very
             good
             report
             of
             before
             ;
             And
             when
             I
             was
             talking
             of
             this
             ,
             I
             was
             saying
             ,
             If
             it
             be
             true
             that
             people
             say
             of
             you
             ,
             a
             man
             goes
             in
             danger
             of
             his
             life
             to
             converse
             with
             you
             .
             Mr.
             Smith
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             care
             for
             all
             the
             men
             between
             Wapping
             and
             Charing-cross
             ,
             there
             is
             never
             a
             man
             that
             will
             forbear
             my
             company
             ,
             but
             would
             do
             or
             say
             as
             much
             as
             Colledge
             hath
             done
             or
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             J.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             true
             ,
             and
             I
             say
             so
             still
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             a
             contradiction
             in
             it self
             ,
             That
             there
             should
             be
             such
             a
             design
             and
             none
             but
             my self
             to
             do
             it
             .
             God
             my
             righteous
             Judges
             knows
             my
             innocency
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             might
             say
             those
             words
             in
             hopes
             they
             would
             be
             of
             your
             party
             and
             made
             so
             by
             your
             Libels
             and
             poysonous
             Pictures
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Come
             ,
             call
             another
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             
               Mr.
               Tho.
               Gardner
            
             ,
             But
             my
             Lord
             ,
             how
             likely
             is
             it
             that
             I
             should
             say
             ,
             That
             I
             would
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             when
             he
             it
             seems
             says
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             there
             was
             one
             man
             to
             stand
             by
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             to
             this
             Gentleman
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             him
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Gardner
             .
          
           
             Nor
             I
             you
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             three
             of
             all
             that
             come
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             thing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             do
             you
             know
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Gardner
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
             Can
             you
             say
             any
             thing
             concerning
             this
             matter
             that
             is
             sworn
             against
             me
             of
             Treason
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Gardner
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             this
             day
             fortnight
             I
             think
             it
             was
             ,
             
               Mr.
               S.
               Smith
            
             the
             Gent.
             that
             was
             just
             now
             up
             before
             me
             ,
             sent
             for
             me
             to
             the
             Rummer
             in
             Queen-street
             to
             drink
             a
             Glass
             of
             Wine
             ,
             where
             when
             I
             came
             ,
             I
             found
             him
             and
             
               Mr.
               J.
               Smith
            
             that
             is
             here
             ,
             whom
             they
             call
             Narrative
             Smith
             ,
             talking
             very
             briskly
             concerning
             one
             Colledge
             ,
             I
             suppose
             that
             is
             the
             Gentleman
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             that
             acquitted
             him
             ,
             and
             he
             said
             that
             2
             or
             3
             of
             the
             Jury-men
             were
             Rascals
             and
             Villains
             ,
             and
             says
             he
             ,
             they
             talk
             up
             and
             down
             the
             Town
             as
             if
             I
             did
             intend
             to
             Sham
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             and
             to
             make
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             which
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             vow
             to
             God
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             justifie
             it
             before
             God
             and
             all
             the
             world
             ,
             that
             I
             know
             of
             no
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             nor
             is
             there
             any
             Protestant
             concerned
             in
             a
             Plot
             to
             my
             knowledge
             ,
             but
             this
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             upon
             his
             Tryal
             I
             believe
             he
             will
             be
             made
             appear
             to
             be
             more
             a
             Papist
             than
             a
             Protestant
             ;
             but
             says
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             to
             him
             ,
             Now
             you
             are
             known
             to
             be
             a
             witness
             in
             this
             Case
             ,
             it
             will
             be
             a
             dangerous
             thing
             for
             a
             man
             to
             converse
             with
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Will
             it
             be
             now
             known
             that
             I
             am
             a
             Papist
             ?
             No
             man
             could
             ever
             say
             so
             in
             this
             world
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Gardner
             .
          
           
             Says
             he
             ,
             I
             care
             not
             what
             all
             the
             world
             says
             of
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             do
             not
             value
             all
             the
             
             men
             from
             Wapping
             to
             Charing-cross
             ,
             but
             that
             man
             that
             will
             shun
             my
             company
             will
             say
             and
             do
             as
             much
             to
             the
             King
             as
             Colledge
             hath
             done
             .
             But
             then
             I
             was
             saying
             ,
             me
             thinks
             it
             seems
             an
             improbable
             thing
             ,
             that
             such
             a
             man
             as
             Colledge
             should
             seize
             upon
             the
             King
             or
             provide
             1500
             Barrels
             of
             Powder
             and
             those
             other
             things
             .
             Upon
             my
             word
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             with
             some
             passion
             ,
             clapping
             his
             hand
             upon
             his
             breast
             ,
             when
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             did
             say
             it
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             believe
             a
             word
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             upon
             my
             faith
             I
             believe
             Colledge
             himself
             did
             not
             believe
             it
             when
             he
             told
             me
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             more
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Gardner
             .
          
           
             No
             indeed
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             Dr.
             Oats
             again
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             what
             say
             you
             to
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Dr.
             
               Oats
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             charges
             me
             that
             I
             should
             speak
             some
             Treasonable
             words
             that
             time
             that
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             gave
             you
             a
             Treat
             at
             the
             Crown
             Tavern
             you
             were
             there
             ,
             and
             pray
             how
             long
             ago
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             heard
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             speaking
             of
             it
             at
             the
             Old-baily
             ,
             and
             if
             you
             please
             to
             take
             notice
             it
             was
             thus
             ,
             This
             Summer
             was
             twelve-month
             ,
             or
             I
             am
             sure
             a
             great
             while
             before
             Christmas
             the
             Alderman
             had
             invited
             me
             several
             times
             to
             give
             me
             a
             Treat
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             not
             time
             ,
             other
             business
             calling
             me
             off
             ,
             but
             finding
             a
             time
             ,
             I
             sent
             him
             word
             I
             would
             come
             and
             see
             him
             .
             He
             said
             he
             was
             a
             Brewer
             and
             troubled
             at
             home
             with
             Customers
             ,
             but
             he
             would
             give
             me
             a
             dinner
             at
             the
             Grown
             Tavern
             without
             Temple-Bar
             ,
             that
             was
             the
             place
             fixed
             upon
             ;
             there
             was
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             the
             Counsellor
             ,
             who
             had
             been
             serviceable
             to
             me
             in
             several
             instances
             I
             did
             get
             him
             to
             go
             along
             with
             me
             ,
             and
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             was
             with
             us
             ,
             and
             I
             heard
             Smith
             swearing
             at
             the
             Old-baily
             that
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             and
             he
             had
             discourse
             from
             the
             Rainbow
             Coffee-house
             where
             we
             met
             ,
             and
             went
             together
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             I
             was
             invited
             by
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             .
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             But
             my
             Lord
             I
             will
             tell
             my
             story
             ,
             I
             am
             not
             to
             tell
             Smith's
             ,
             Colledge
             did
             tell
             me
             he
             was
             invited
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             You
             shall
             be
             welcome
             as
             far
             as
             I
             can
             make
             you
             welcome
             .
             So
             Colledge
             and
             I
             went
             together
             from
             the
             Rainbow
             Coffee-house
             to
             the
             Crown
             Tavern
             :
             Now
             indeed
             Colledge
             was
             very
             pleasant
             and
             merry
             ,
             and
             as
             I
             think
             ,
             the
             discourse
             betwixt
             the
             Rainbow
             Coffee-house
             and
             the
             Tavern
             was
             betwixt
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             and
             me
             ;
             for
             
               M.
               Smith
            
             stayed
             somewhat
             behind
             or
             walked
             before
             ,
             I
             cannot
             tell
             which
             :
             When
             we
             came
             to
             the
             Crown
             Tavern
             we
             did
             ,
             to
             divert
             our selves
             till
             dinner
             came
             up
             ,
             enter
             into
             a
             Philosophical
             discourse
             with
             one
             
               Mr.
               Savage
            
             who
             was
             formerly
             a
             Romish
             Priest
             ,
             but
             this
             Savage
             is
             since
             pardoned
             by
             the
             King
             and
             is
             a
             Member
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             hath
             been
             Professor
             of
             Divinity
             and
             Philosophy
             beyond
             Sea.
             This
             as
             I
             remember
             was
             the
             discourse
             before
             we
             dined
             till
             we
             went
             to
             Dinner
             ,
             it
             was
             concerning
             the
             Existence
             of
             God
             ,
             whether
             that
             could
             be
             proved
             by
             natural
             demonstration
             ,
             and
             whether
             or
             no
             the
             Soul
             was
             immortal
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             after
             Dinner
             Smith
             went
             away
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             hear
             the
             least
             discourse
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             as
             he
             speaks
             of
             ,
             and
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             and
             Colledge
             had
             no
             discourse
             in
             my
             hearing
             from
             the
             Coffee-house
             to
             the
             Tavern
             ;
             and
             when
             we
             were
             in
             the
             Tavern
             we
             did
             discourse
             about
             those
             two
             Points
             .
             Counsellor
             Smith
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             will
             justifie
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             this
             ,
             and
             my
             Brother
             too
             ,
             who
             was
             with
             us
             .
             But
             when
             I
             heard
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             swear
             as
             he
             did
             about
             this
             matter
             at
             the
             Old-baily
             ,
             I
             did
             really
             my
             Lord
             ,
             in
             my
             Conscience
             look
             upon
             him
             to
             be
             forsworn
             in
             that
             particular
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ser.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             And
             he
             does
             swear
             you
             are
             out
             in
             this
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             more
             questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             If
             your
             Lordship
             please
             he
             speaks
             of
             
               Mr.
               Wilcox
            
             to
             be
             a
             man
             that
             contributed
             money
             to
             buy
             Arms
             ,
             Powder
             ,
             and
             Shot
             ,
             I
             think
             Sr.
             
               George
               Jefferies
            
             knows
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             is
             a
             man
             of
             another
             employment
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Sir
             
               George
               Jefferies
            
             does
             not
             intend
             to
             be
             an
             evidence
             I
             assure
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             more
             questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Dr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             desire
             Sr.
             
               George
               Jefferies
            
             to
             be
             an
             Evidence
             for
             me
             ,
             I
             had
             Credit
             in
             Parliaments
             ,
             and
             Sr
             George
             had
             Disgrace
             in
             one
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ser.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Your
             servant
             Doctor
             ,
             you
             are
             a
             witty
             man
             and
             a
             Philosopher
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             
               Mr.
               Thomas
               Smith
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             would
             you
             ask
             of
             him
             now
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Counsellor
             Smith
             ,
             here
             is
             
               John
               Smith
            
             ,
             or
             Narrative
             Smith
             ,
             which
             you
             please
             to
             call
             him
             ,
             hath
             charged
             me
             with
             speaking
             Treason
             at
             our
             going
             to
             Dinner
             at
             Wilcox's
             ,
             I
             remember
             you
             were
             there
             ,
             and
             I
             think
             you
             and
             I
             and
             Dr.
             Oats
             and
             his
             Brother
             and
             
               Mr.
               Godwin
               Wharton
            
             went
             together
             ;
             I
             did
             tell
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             of
             it
             ,
             but
             I
             did
             not
             stir
             a
             step
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             with
             him
             ,
             but
             went
             away
             before
             him
             ,
             How
             long
             ago
             is
             it
             since
             we
             had
             that
             Dinner
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             if
             your
             Lordship
             please
             ,
             I
             do
             very
             well
             remember
             Mr.
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             ,
             so
             they
             called
             him
             ,
             did
             desire
             to
             give
             Dr.
             Oates
             a
             Treat
             with
             some
             other
             of
             his
             Friends
             at
             the
             Crown
             Tavern
             without
             Temple-Bar
             ;
             but
             really
             my
             Lord
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             certain
             time
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             it
             ,
             but
             to
             my
             best
             remembrance
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             it
             was
             before
             Christmas
             last
             ,
             and
             some
             time
             before
             Christmas
             last
             .
             And
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             was
             there
             all
             the
             time
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             was
             at
             that
             time
             somewhat
             a
             stranger
             to
             me
             ,
             something
             I
             had
             heard
             of
             his
             Name
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             stay
             there
             all
             the
             while
             ;
             I
             remember
             Mr.
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             was
             to
             go
             out
             of
             Town
             that
             day
             ;
             and
             truly
             as
             to
             any
             thing
             of
             matter
             of
             Treason
             ,
             or
             Treasonable
             words
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             tending
             towards
             it
             ,
             I
             am
             confident
             nothing
             was
             ,
             or
             could
             be
             spoken
             ,
             and
             the
             Room
             was
             a
             very
             small
             Room
             ,
             and
             our
             Company
             did
             fill
             it
             up
             ,
             and
             the
             Table
             was
             so
             big
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             little
             more
             than
             for
             the
             Servitors
             to
             go
             about
             ,
             so
             that
             any
             man
             might
             easily
             hear
             from
             the
             one
             end
             of
             the
             Room
             to
             the
             other
             .
             I
             remember
             there
             was
             some
             Discourse
             betwixt
             Dr.
             Oates
             and
             
               Mr.
               Savage
            
             ,
             who
             I
             think
             hath
             been
             a
             Jesuit
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             about
             some
             points
             of
             Philosophy
             and
             Divinity
             ;
             but
             for
             Treason
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             the
             least
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             I
             am
             confident
             Colledge
             said
             not
             any
             such
             thing
             at
             that
             time
             ,
             and
             my
             Reason
             is
             this
             ,
             I
             very
             well
             remember
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             did
             set
             himself
             down
             upon
             one
             side
             of
             the
             Table
             ,
             and
             fell
             asleep
             ,
             and
             unless
             he
             talked
             Treason
             in
             his
             sleep
             ,
             there
             could
             not
             be
             any
             such
             thing
             said
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             had
             been
             said
             ,
             it
             would
             have
             been
             heard
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ,
             did
             you
             never
             hear
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             speak
             any
             ill
             words
             of
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Never
             in
             my
             Life
             .
             And
             if
             I
             were
             now
             to
             take
             the
             Sacrament
             upon
             it
             ,
             I
             could
             say
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serg.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             used
             to
             converse
             with
             him
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ,
             did
             he
             never
             say
             any
             thing
             like
             it
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             Good
             Mr.
             Sergeant
             ,
             you
             know
             I
             can
             take
             the
             Sacrament
             ;
             pray
             let
             us
             have
             no
             Reflections
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serg.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Who
             did
             reflect
             upon
             you
             ?
             I
             did
             not
             reflect
             upon
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ,
             did
             he
             never
             deliver
             you
             any
             of
             those
             Pictures
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             he
             never
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Good
             Sir
             George
             don't
             reflect
             upon
             my
             Evidence
             .
             It
             seems
             Smith
             is
             mistaken
             in
             the
             time
             ,
             for
             he
             says
             ,
             it
             was
             at
             Christmas
             ,
             but
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             says
             ,
             it
             was
             some
             time
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             does
             not
             say
             so
             ,
             the
             certain
             time
             he
             cannot
             tell
             exactly
             ;
             but
             your
             Witnesses
             say
             ,
             it
             was
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             speak
             as
             much
             as
             if
             I
             were
             upon
             my
             Oath
             ;
             and
             I
             know
             what
             an
             Oath
             is
             ,
             I
             thank
             God
             ;
             and
             what
             it
             is
             to
             speak
             before
             a
             Court
             of
             Judicature
             ,
             and
             I
             know
             ,
             and
             do
             speak
             truth
             as
             much
             as
             if
             I
             were
             upon
             my
             Oath
             ;
             and
             I
             do
             say
             I
             did
             not
             hear
             Colledge
             ,
             or
             any
             one
             else
             that
             was
             in
             that
             Company
             ,
             at
             that
             time
             speak
             any
             thing
             Reflecting
             upon
             the
             King
             and
             Government
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             tending
             towards
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Can
             you
             remember
             a
             matter
             so
             distinctly
             ,
             which
             Dr.
             Oates
             says
             was
             a
             year
             and
             half
             ago
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             this
             Summer
             was
             twelve
             moneth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             can
             you
             tell
             so
             long
             ago
             ,
             not
             onely
             your
             own
             Actions
             ,
             but
             testifie
             to
             all
             other
             mens
             Actions
             too
             that
             were
             in
             the
             Room
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             what
             Dr.
             Oates's
             memory
             is
             as
             to
             the
             time
             ,
             but
             I
             remember
             the
             place
             ,
             the
             occasion
             ,
             and
             the
             Persons
             that
             were
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             you
             take
             upon
             you
             to
             have
             such
             a
             perfect
             memory
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             Actions
             of
             all
             the
             Persons
             that
             were
             in
             the
             Room
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             speak
             of
             all
             that
             was
             done
             ;
             but
             I
             say
             ,
             I
             remember
             no
             such
             thing
             that
             was
             said
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             no
             such
             thing
             was
             said
             ,
             and
             have
             given
             you
             my
             Reasons
             why
             .
             But
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             which
             I
             say
             further
             for
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             is
             this
             ;
             I
             do
             hear
             something
             pretended
             ,
             as
             if
             he
             provided
             Arms
             to
             go
             for
             Oxford
             .
             I
             have
             known
             him
             this
             three
             years
             ,
             or
             thereabouts
             ;
             and
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             know
             that
             he
             did
             usually
             ride
             with
             a
             Case
             or
             Pistols
             before
             him
             .
             And
             before
             that
             time
             I
             had
             occasion
             to
             borrow
             his
             Horse
             of
             him
             ,
             at
             the
             Election
             for
             Westminster
             the
             last
             Parliament
             that
             sat
             there
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             it
             then
             with
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             .
             I
             likewise
             borrowed
             it
             at
             Michaelmas
             last
             ,
             the
             same
             Horse
             ,
             and
             the
             same
             Pistols
             they
             were
             ,
             I
             did
             at
             the
             same
             time
             see
             a
             Suit
             of
             Silk
             Armour
             ,
             which
             he
             told
             me
             he
             did
             provide
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             for
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             did
             expect
             we
             should
             have
             a
             brush
             with
             them
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             do
             not
             trouble
             your self
             for
             that
             ,
             they
             dare
             not
             meddle
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             this
             will
             do
             no
             harm
             .
             And
             as
             I
             remember
             ,
             it
             was
             a
             Suit
             of
             Armour
             made
             of
             Silk
             to
             wear
             under
             a
             Coat
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             silk
             Armour
             only
             for
             the
             thrust
             of
             a
             Sword.
             And
             I
             assure
             you
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             had
             but
             one
             Suit
             ,
             but
             one
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             and
             but
             one
             Horse
             ,
             I
             had
             two
             before
             ,
             but
             they
             did
             not
             then
             make
             a
             Traitor
             of
             me
             ,
             that
             was
             all
             that
             ever
             I
             had
             ,
             but
             if
             I
             had
             had
             ten
             Horses
             ,
             and
             never
             so
             many
             Armors
             I
             declare
             it
             upon
             my
             Salvation
             ,
             I
             intended
             it
             for
             nothing
             but
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             if
             they
             should
             make
             a
             disturbance
             ,
             and
             whatever
             I
             did
             was
             with
             that
             design
             ,
             and
             truly
             by
             the
             grace
             of
             God
             I
             would
             not
             have
             been
             the
             last
             man
             then
             ,
             but
             I
             see
             whatever
             I
             provided
             my self
             with
             for
             that
             ,
             they
             have
             turned
             it
             all
             another
             way
             ,
             that
             it
             might
             be
             believed
             the
             Protestants
             were
             against
             the
             King
             and
             the
             established
             Government
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Those
             observations
             may
             be
             proper
             for
             you
             at
             last
             ,
             Go
             on
             now
             with
             your
             Evidence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             not
             a
             man
             of
             that
             great
             memory
             ,
             I
             may
             forget
             it
             ,
             and
             therefore
             I
             speak
             it
             now
             whilst
             I
             think
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Set
             it
             down
             in
             your
             Paper
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Smith
             says
             I
             talked
             with
             him
             coming
             from
             Richard's
             Coffee-house
             till
             we
             came
             to
             the
             Tavern
             ,
             I
             do
             declare
             it
             ,
             I
             went
             away
             before
             him
             ,
             and
             went
             away
             with
             Dr.
             Oats
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Ask
             Mr.
             Smith
             that
             question
             if
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Pray
             Sir
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             who
             went
             together
             thither
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               T.
               Smith
            
             .
          
           
             I
             dare
             not
             undertake
             to
             say
             that
             ,
             I
             cannot
             tell
             whether
             he
             went
             from
             the
             Rainbow
             Coffee-house
             with
             us
             ,
             or
             no.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             He
             says
             after
             we
             had
             dined
             we
             divided
             our selves
             into
             Cabals
             ,
             two
             and
             two
             together
             ,
             I
             do
             declare
             it
             as
             that
             which
             is
             the
             real
             truth
             I
             fell
             asleep
             behind
             the
             Table
             ,
             if
             any
             body
             was
             divided
             it
             is
             more
             than
             I
             know
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             Smith
             you
             can
             tell
             ,
             because
             he
             says
             I
             spoke
             Treason
             to
             him
             when
             I
             was
             in
             the
             room
             ,
             he
             and
             I
             in
             one
             Cabal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               T.
               S.
            
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             remember
             nothing
             of
             that
             ,
             nor
             do
             believe
             it
             ,
             for
             I
             told
             you
             the
             room
             was
             so
             little
             that
             we
             could
             not
             divide
             our selves
             ,
             And
             it
             is
             impossible
             in
             such
             a
             little
             compass
             where
             we
             were
             so
             many
             as
             we
             were
             ,
             14
             ,
             or
             15
             of
             us
             ;
             it
             may
             be
             one
             might
             talk
             to
             another
             that
             was
             next
             to
             him
             ,
             but
             then
             the
             company
             must
             hear
             ,
             and
             whether
             they
             did
             so
             or
             no
             ,
             I
             cannot
             tell
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             Mr.
             Smith's
             saying
             any
             thing
             to
             any
             particular
             person
             ,
             but
             the
             great
             ingagement
             was
             between
             Dr.
             Oats
             and
             Mr.
             Savage
             ,
             and
             about
             some
             Questions
             in
             Divinity
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             the
             great
             matter
             I
             took
             notice
             of
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             However
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             declare
             it
             ,
             that
             was
             above
             a
             12
             Month
             ago
             ,
             and
             I
             hope
             your
             Lordship
             and
             the
             Jury
             does
             observe
             that
             there
             was
             no
             new
             Arms
             were
             found
             ,
             but
             what
             were
             provided
             a
             great
             while
             ago
             ;
             All
             that
             know
             me
             ,
             know
             I
             was
             never
             without
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             and
             an
             Horse
             ,
             though
             I
             was
             but
             a
             Joyner
             ,
             and
             there
             is
             no
             more
             that
             you
             see
             now
             .
             And
             as
             to
             what
             Smith
             said
             about
             our
             going
             into
             Cabals
             that
             you
             hear
             Mr.
             Smith
             denies
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             call
             any
             other
             Witnesses
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             if
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             .
             Do
             you
             know
             no
             more
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               T.
               Smith
            
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             no
             other
             thing
             ,
             if
             I
             did
             ,
             I
             would
             declare
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Dr.
             Oats's
             brother
             ,
             Mr.
             
               Samuel
               Oats
            
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             thus
             you
             see
             Smith's
             testimony
             is
             false
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             see
             this
             contradicts
             his
             Oath
             ,
             for
             he
             speaks
             of
             several
             times
             that
             he
             did
             speak
             with
             you
             ,
             one
             was
             at
             Wilcox's
             which
             is
             this
             they
             speak
             of
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             says
             there
             was
             only
             that
             great
             discourse
             going
             on
             in
             the
             Room
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             no
             such
             things
             as
             Cabals
             which
             he
             speaks
             of
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             yo
             say
             as
             to
             this
             Witness
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             Narrative
             Smith
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             him
             ?
             Were
             you
             at
             the
             Dinner
             which
             Mr.
             Wilcox
             gave
             your
             Brother
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             yes
             ,
             I
             was
             at
             that
             Dinner
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Were
             you
             at
             the
             Coffee-house
             when
             I
             went
             along
             with
             your
             Brother
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             we
             went
             with
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             Mr.
             Smith
             go
             with
             us
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             Mr.
             Smith
             followed
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             hear
             any
             Treasonable
             discourse
             between
             us
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Not
             the
             least
             of
             a
             little
             word
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             we
             go
             into
             Cabals
             two
             and
             two
             together
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             nothing
             at
             all
             of
             Cabals
             that
             I
             saw
             ,
             from
             the
             time
             of
             going
             to
             dinner
             ;
             for
             we
             came
             just
             as
             Dinner
             was
             going
             into
             the
             Room
             as
             I
             remember
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serj.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             mean
             by
             Cabals
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             as
             I
             discern
             by
             Mr.
             Colledge
             as
             if
             there
             had
             been
             Cabals
             amongst
             the
             Company
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             going
             by
             couples
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             What
             did
             they
             talk
             of
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             nothing
             at
             all
             spoken
             of
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff
            
          
           
             What
             did
             they
             say
             nothing
             all
             the
             while
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             but
             matter
             of
             common
             discourse
             ,
             matters
             of
             eating
             and
             drinking
             ,
             and
             talking
             of
             Country
             affairs
             ,
             there
             were
             several
             that
             had
             〈◊〉
             in
             the
             Countrey
             and
             they
             were
             talking
             of
             those
             things
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             Were
             you
             there
             all
             the
             while
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Hark
             you
             Sir
             ,
             were
             there
             no
             disputations
             in
             Divinity
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Not
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Nor
             of
             Philosophy
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             No.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Why
             pray
             Sir
             did
             not
             Dr.
             Oats
             and
             Mr.
             Savage
             talk
             very
             pleasantly
             of
             two
             great
             questions
             in
             Divinity
             ,
             the
             Being
             of
             God
             ,
             and
             the
             Immortality
             of
             the
             Soul
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             There
             was
             not
             a
             word
             of
             that
             ,
             but
             only
             common
             discourse
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             sure
             there
             was
             no
             such
             thing
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Not
             that
             I
             know
             of
             in
             the
             least
             ,
             I
             sat
             at
             Table
             with
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Was
             it
             such
             a
             little
             Room
             that
             you
             could
             hear
             all
             was
             said
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
          
           
             There
             was
             Room
             enough
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             People
             cannot
             give
             a
             perfect
             account
             of
             all
             things
             that
             have
             passed
             so
             long
             ago
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             did
             not
             hear
             that
             discourse
             my self
             ,
             because
             I
             was
             asleep
             behind
             the
             Table
             ;
             and
             perhaps
             Mr.
             Oats
             cannot
             remember
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Sol.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Was
             it
             before
             Dinner
             ,
             or
             after
             Dinner
             that
             Colledge
             fell
             asleep
             behind
             the
             Table
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             He
             was
             not
             asleep
             to
             my
             remembrance
             all
             the
             while
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Recollect
             your self
             ,
             pray
             ,
             was
             Mr.
             Colledge
             asleep
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             he
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             impossible
             to
             give
             an
             account
             ,
             and
             therefore
             Witnesses
             in
             Negatives
             are
             of
             little
             value
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Did
             Mr.
             Smith
             and
             you
             and
             I
             go
             together
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             followed
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             do
             you
             know
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             For
             you
             and
             I
             ,
             and
             my
             Brother
             went
             together
             ;
             You
             were
             a
             saying
             when
             we
             came
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             in
             a
             jocose
             way
             ,
             Come
             Dr.
             I
             will
             go
             along
             with
             you
             and
             be
             one
             of
             your
             Guard.
             You
             spoke
             it
             in
             a
             jesting
             way
             ,
             So
             you
             may
             if
             you
             please
             said
             my
             Brother
             .
             And
             so
             he
             went
             by
             my
             Brother's
             side
             ,
             and
             I
             went
             by
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             side
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             remember
             how
             long
             ago
             that
             was
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             the
             last
             Summer
             but
             to
             say
             exactly
             what
             month
             I
             cannot
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             answer
             me
             this
             Question
             ,
             pray
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             From
             what
             place
             did
             you
             go
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             From
             Richards
             Coffee-House
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               G.
            
             
          
           
             Who
             went
             along
             with
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             He
             came
             along
             with
             my
             Brother
             and
             me
             ;
             for
             he
             said
             to
             my
             Brother
             ,
             I
             will
             be
             one
             of
             your
             Guard.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               G.
            
             
          
           
             Who
             went
             along
             with
             Mr.
             Smith
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             I
             don't
             know
             ,
             I
             took
             very
             little
             notice
             of
             things
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             'T
             is
             sufficient
             that
             he
             can
             tell
             who
             went
             with
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             I
             remember
             one
             thing
             :
             Mr.
             Smith
             would
             fain
             have
             perswaded
             me
             into
             something
             that
             my
             Brother
             should
             talk
             ,
             but
             I
             heard
             nothing
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             do
             not
             examine
             me
             upon
             such
             things
             ,
             for
             I
             took
             little
             notice
             of
             any
             thing
             ;
             but
             this
             I
             can
             say
             ,
             whereas
             he
             does
             charge
             Mr.
             Wilcox
             ,
             the
             Gentleman
             did
             not
             speak
             five
             words
             all
             the
             time
             he
             was
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             He
             does
             not
             use
             to
             be
             so
             Melancholy
             ,
             I
             assure
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             wonder
             at
             it
             my self
             ,
             but
             he
             was
             not
             long
             with
             us
             ,
             for
             I
             do
             not
             think
             he
             was
             there
             a
             quarter
             of
             the
             time
             ;
             it
             seems
             he
             had
             a
             Son
             sick
             in
             the
             Countrey
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             going
             thither
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             any
             thing
             against
             Macnamarra
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             is
             no
             Witness
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             against
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Oats
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             not
             I.
             
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Then
             I
             can
             say
             no
             more
             to
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Call
             another
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             
               John
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             say
             you
             against
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             the
             last
             25
             th
             .
             of
             July
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             ,
             and
             my self
             were
             Travelling
             from
             York
             towards
             London
             .
             We
             lay
             the
             24
             th
             .
             at
             
               _____
            
             and
             the
             25
             th
             .
             we
             were
             Travelling
             towards
             London
             :
             Mr.
             Smith
             did
             ask
             me
             ,
             if
             I
             did
             remember
             what
             Discourse
             there
             was
             betwixt
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             and
             I
             at
             Ferry-Bridge
             ,
             when
             we
             were
             coming
             up
             before
             to
             London
             ?
             I
             desired
             him
             to
             tell
             me
             what
             Discourse
             ,
             and
             I
             would
             tell
             him
             if
             I
             did
             remember
             it
             or
             no.
             So
             my
             Lord
             he
             did
             say
             ,
             the
             Discourse
             was
             ,
             that
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             did
             say
             ,
             there
             would
             be
             cutting
             of
             Throats
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Parliament
             did
             go
             provided
             ,
             some
             with
             8
             ,
             some
             with
             6
             ,
             some
             with
             4
             men
             ,
             and
             they
             were
             to
             meet
             at
             Grantham
             ,
             and
             go
             together
             .
             This
             Discourse
             I
             did
             remember
             ,
             That
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             said
             ,
             they
             went
             with
             Horse
             and
             Arms
             to
             secure
             them
             from
             Highway-men
             ;
             and
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             did
             then
             further
             declare
             ,
             that
             the
             Discourse
             was
             ,
             there
             would
             be
             cutting
             of
             Throats
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             which
             made
             them
             go
             with
             Arms
             to
             defend
             themselves
             .
             Mr.
             Smith
             did
             further
             upon
             the
             25
             ,
             26
             ,
             27
             ,
             and
             28
             th
             .
             of
             July
             (
             and
             it
             was
             our
             frequent
             Discourse
             )
             tell
             me
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             given
             His
             Majesty
             an
             Account
             of
             it
             ,
             which
             occasioned
             the
             Dissolving
             of
             the
             Parliament
             :
             That
             Discourse
             that
             was
             made
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             was
             ,
             that
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             should
             say
             ,
             there
             would
             be
             cutting
             of
             Throats
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Parliament-men
             went
             provided
             with
             4
             or
             5
             ,
             6
             or
             10
             men
             a
             piece
             ;
             and
             he
             did
             tell
             me
             ,
             he
             had
             given
             a
             further
             Account
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             to
             be
             a
             Consult
             at
             Grantham
             ,
             wherein
             it
             was
             Resolved
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             better
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             than
             to
             let
             him
             go
             on
             .
             Now
             ,
             this
             I
             knew
             nothing
             of
             ,
             but
             he
             would
             have
             perswaded
             me
             to
             have
             given
             in
             this
             Evidence
             against
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             ,
             as
             to
             this
             Discourse
             .
             But
             I
             declare
             ,
             I
             did
             never
             hear
             it
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Smith
             was
             the
             first
             man
             that
             ever
             I
             heard
             it
             from
             ,
             I
             never
             heard
             it
             before
             in
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Would
             he
             have
             had
             you
             been
             an
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             swore
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ;
             he
             said
             he
             had
             given
             an
             Account
             of
             it
             to
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             if
             I
             did
             manage
             it
             rightly
             against
             my
             Lord
             Shaftesbury
             and
             Colledge
             ,
             he
             
             would
             make
             me
             for
             ever
             ;
             those
             two
             Persons
             were
             mentioned
             all
             along
             .
             But
             I
             do
             declare
             it
             ,
             I
             did
             never
             hear
             them
             speak
             Treason
             against
             the
             King
             in
             my
             Life
             .
             And
             he
             did
             further
             tell
             me
             ,
             that
             I
             must
             say
             so
             and
             so
             ;
             for
             if
             we
             did
             not
             agree
             ,
             it
             would
             signifie
             nothing
             .
             But
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             the
             matter
             ,
             I
             never
             heard
             any
             one
             speak
             of
             it
             but
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             this
             is
             true
             ,
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             was
             the
             man
             that
             was
             by
             when
             it
             was
             Discoursed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             He
             would
             have
             had
             you
             sworn
             it
             ,
             would
             he
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             I
             discovered
             it
             to
             my
             Lord
             Mayor
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             When
             did
             you
             discover
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Soon
             after
             I
             came
             to
             Town
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             When
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Some
             time
             last
             week
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Was
             it
             on
             Saturday
             last
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             the
             beginning
             of
             the
             week
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             Thou
             art
             such
             a
             Discoverer
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             't
             is
             very
             true
             what
             I
             say
             .
             If
             I
             had
             known
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             I
             would
             have
             discovered
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             Thou
             wouldest
             have
             discovered
             it
             before
             that
             time
             ,
             of
             my
             Conscience
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             he
             hath
             been
             an
             Evidence
             against
             the
             Papists
             as
             well
             as
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             and
             therefore
             pray
             Sir
             George
             don't
             make
             your
             flourishes
             upon
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             He
             was
             an
             Evidence
             ,
             but
             he
             had
             the
             misfortune
             never
             to
             be
             believed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             any
             Pictures
             of
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             making
             ?
             Have
             you
             seen
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Never
             in
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Att.
               Gen.
            
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             not
             shew
             it
             in
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             never
             in
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Holloway
            
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             never
             declare
             to
             any
             Gentleman
             of
             Oxford
             ,
             that
             Colledge
             made
             this
             Picture
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             seen
             the
             Character
             of
             a
             Popish
             Successor
             ,
             but
             I
             never
             saw
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Holloway
            
             .
          
           
             Here
             is
             the
             very
             Gentleman
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             will
             make
             Oath
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             He
             was
             supposed
             to
             make
             them
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             know
             that
             he
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             only
             desire
             one
             thing
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             say
             ,
             that
             you
             ever
             had
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             ,
             but
             did
             you
             ever
             tell
             any
             body
             that
             Colledge
             made
             any
             of
             these
             Pictures
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             heard
             of
             such
             a
             Paper
             ,
             but
             I
             did
             never
             see
             it
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             that
             Gentleman
             ,
             Mr.
             Bolron
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             him
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             I
             would
             ask
             you
             ,
             whether
             you
             ever
             had
             any
             Discourse
             with
             that
             Gentleman
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Never
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Gentleman
             was
             sworn
             ,
             being
             a
             Master
             of
             Arts.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             What
             is
             the
             Gentlemans
             Name
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Holloway
            
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Charlett
             ,
             of
             
               Trinity
               Colledge
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jefferies
            
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Sir
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             that
             Person
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Charlett
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             in
             the
             new
             Coffee-House
             that
             was
             by
             the
             Schools
             ,
             that
             was
             set
             up
             in
             the
             Parliament-time
             ,
             there
             was
             a
             Gentleman
             that
             is
             in
             the
             Court
             (
             I
             think
             )
             one
             Mr.
             Dashwood
             ,
             and
             one
             Mr.
             Box
             were
             there
             together
             to
             drink
             a
             Dish
             of
             Coffee
             ,
             and
             hearing
             that
             some
             of
             the
             Evidence
             were
             there
             ,
             we
             desired
             their
             Company
             up
             ,
             and
             that
             Gentleman
             was
             one
             ;
             and
             among
             other
             Discourse
             ,
             they
             were
             speaking
             of
             some
             Pictures
             ,
             and
             they
             shewed
             us
             the
             Picture
             of
             the
             Tantivies
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Did
             this
             man
             shew
             it
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Char.
             
          
           
             This
             very
             man
             ,
             It
             was
             the
             Pictures
             of
             the
             Tantivies
             and
             the
             Towzer
             ,
             &
             he
             told
             me
             they
             were
             made
             by
             Colledge
             ,
             he
             was
             a
             very
             ingenious
             man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolr.
             
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             it
             ,
             the
             Character
             of
             a
             Popish
             Successor
             I
             have
             seen
             ,
             but
             never
             the
             other
             ,
             I
             never
             shewed
             him
             any
             such
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Then
             the
             Pictures
             were
             shewn
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Char.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             something
             like
             this
             ,
             but
             I
             cannot
             say
             for
             any
             of
             the
             other
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolr.
             
          
           
             The
             Character
             of
             a
             Popish
             Successor
             ,
             I
             say
             I
             have
             seen
             ,
             and
             Colledge
             himself
             hath
             told
             me
             he
             made
             the
             Character
             of
             a
             Popish
             Successor
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             deny
             that
             I
             have
             seen
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Would
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             more
             Questions
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolr.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             something
             more
             to
             say
             concerning
             Mr.
             
               Brian
               Hains
            
             ;
             In
             
               January
               ,
               February
            
             and
             April
             last
             ,
             several
             times
             I
             was
             in
             his
             Company
             ,
             and
             I
             heard
             him
             say
             ,
             he
             knew
             nothing
             of
             a
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             nor
             of
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             neither
             ,
             but
             if
             he
             were
             to
             be
             an
             Evidence
             he
             did
             not
             care
             what
             he
             swore
             ,
             but
             would
             swear
             and
             say
             any
             thing
             to
             get
             money
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             tell
             you
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolr.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             did
             hear
             him
             say
             ,
             To
             day
             he
             would
             be
             a
             Papist
             ,
             to
             morrow
             a
             Presbyterian
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             care
             for
             Religion
             ,
             he
             would
             never
             die
             for
             Religion
             ,
             he
             would
             be
             of
             that
             Religion
             that
             had
             the
             strongest
             party
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             so
             at
             my
             own
             house
             in
             Fleetstreet
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             would
             say
             any
             thing
             for
             money
             ,
             pray
             my
             Lord
             take
             notice
             of
             that
             ,
             for
             so
             I
             find
             he
             does
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Then
             there
             is
             
               Dennis
               Macnamarra
            
             ,
             and
             
               John
               Macnamarra
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             We
             have
             nothing
             to
             say
             to
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             have
             been
             Evidences
             against
             me
             ,
             though
             you
             do
             not
             now
             produce
             them
             ,
             they
             are
             all
             in
             a
             string
             ,
             but
             they
             are
             not
             now
             brought
             because
             my
             Witnesses
             are
             prepared
             to
             answer
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             call
             your
             next
             Witness
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             ,
             Pray
             Sir
             do
             you
             know
             Narrative
             Smith
             ,
             as
             he
             calls
             himself
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             ,
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             of
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             .
          
           
             I
             came
             up
             from
             York
             with
             him
             when
             I
             returned
             ,
             after
             I
             was
             commanded
             down
             upon
             the
             Kings
             account
             to
             give
             in
             Evidence
             against
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             ,
             he
             came
             to
             me
             the
             third
             of
             August
             ,
             and
             called
             at
             my
             house
             in
             Yorkshire
             ,
             and
             was
             very
             importunate
             for
             me
             to
             come
             up
             to
             London
             with
             him
             ,
             for
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             had
             a
             Letter
             come
             to
             him
             which
             commanded
             his
             presence
             at
             London
             very
             suddenly
             ,
             and
             he
             produced
             that
             Letter
             which
             he
             said
             came
             from
             a
             Gentleman
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             or
             some
             Court
             dependent
             ;
             so
             he
             read
             the
             Letter
             in
             Mr.
             Balron's
             hearing
             .
             We
             set
             forward
             on
             Sunday
             ,
             and
             upon
             our
             journey
             to
             London
             he
             told
             me
             he
             had
             something
             of
             importance
             to
             impart
             to
             me
             ,
             so
             upon
             the
             road
             he
             began
             to
             discourse
             of
             the
             Parliament
             and
             of
             the
             illegal
             proceedings
             and
             Arbitrary
             power
             of
             the
             2
             last
             Parliaments
             ,
             he
             said
             their
             proceedings
             were
             very
             Illegal
             and
             Arbitrary
             ,
             and
             he
             began
             to
             open
             some
             of
             the
             Votes
             as
             that
             which
             they
             voted
             ,
             that
             those
             that
             should
             lend
             the
             King
             money
             upon
             the
             Crown
             lands
             ,
             should
             be
             enemies
             to
             the
             King
             and
             Kingdom
             ,
             and
             those
             that
             Counselled
             the
             King
             to
             dissolve
             the
             Parliament
             ;
             and
             he
             repeated
             many
             Votes
             ,
             and
             said
             he
             ,
             these
             are
             signs
             of
             Arbitrary
             power
             ,
             and
             certainly
             they
             design
             to
             take
             off
             the
             King
             ;
             so
             he
             proceeded
             further
             to
             ask
             me
             what
             was
             the
             discourse
             of
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             when
             we
             came
             up
             before
             ,
             and
             he
             did
             much
             importune
             me
             to
             say
             ,
             that
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             did
             affirm
             there
             would
             be
             cutting
             of
             throats
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             King
             was
             to
             be
             seized
             there
             .
             I
             told
             him
             I
             could
             have
             no
             plausible
             pretence
             ,
             because
             I
             had
             no
             acquaintance
             with
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             ,
             
             nor
             did
             I
             come
             up
             wih
             him
             ,
             upon
             which
             he
             applied
             himself
             to
             Bolron
             ,
             and
             importun'd
             him
             for
             the
             same
             ,
             he
             asked
             me
             who
             I
             came
             up
             with
             ,
             I
             told
             him
             I
             came
             up
             with
             3
             Members
             of
             Parliament
             ,
             my
             Lord
             Fairfax
             ,
             Sir
             
               John
               Hewly
            
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Stern
             ;
             he
             asked
             me
             what
             Discourse
             we
             had
             upon
             the
             Road
             ?
             And
             he
             asked
             ,
             whether
             they
             had
             any
             Discourse
             that
             tended
             to
             justifie
             their
             former
             Votes
             ?
             For
             he
             said
             ,
             if
             they
             did
             think
             to
             justifie
             any
             thing
             of
             those
             Votes
             ,
             or
             if
             they
             would
             not
             allow
             the
             King
             money
             ,
             and
             stood
             upon
             the
             Bill
             of
             Exclusion
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             that
             was
             pretence
             enough
             for
             any
             man
             to
             swear
             that
             there
             was
             a
             Design
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             King
             was
             to
             be
             seized
             at
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             An
             excellent
             pretence
             indeed
             ,
             and
             like
             the
             rest
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             He
             would
             have
             tempted
             me
             to
             swear
             against
             my
             Lord
             Shaftesbury
             the
             same
             .
             And
             he
             said
             ,
             it
             would
             be
             well
             if
             I
             did
             appear
             on
             Colledges
             Tryal
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             for
             it
             was
             a
             thing
             of
             great
             Consequence
             ;
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             was
             thrown
             out
             of
             doors
             ,
             and
             no
             man
             was
             looked
             upon
             that
             did
             speak
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
          
           
             Was
             all
             this
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             Mr.
             Bolron
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             When
             he
             was
             discoursing
             about
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             ,
             Mr.
             Bolron
             rid
             up
             to
             us
             ,
             and
             he
             applied
             himself
             to
             him
             ,
             because
             I
             told
             him
             I
             had
             no
             plausible
             pretence
             to
             swear
             against
             him
             ,
             having
             no
             Acquaintance
             with
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Pray
             Sir
             ,
             let
             me
             ask
             you
             one
             Question
             ,
             When
             came
             you
             from
             York
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             We
             set
             forward
             the
             3
             d.
             day
             of
             August
             from
             Wentbridge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Pray
             who
             came
             with
             you
             in
             the
             Company
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             M.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             That
             was
             a
             Sunday
             ,
             as
             I
             take
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Then
             pray
             how
             long
             did
             you
             continue
             before
             you
             came
             to
             Lond.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             I
             think
             we
             came
             in
             on
             the
             Thursday
             after
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             When
             was
             the
             first
             time
             Mr.
             Smith
             came
             into
             your
             company
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Upon
             the
             Road
             on
             Sunday
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Was
             that
             the
             first
             time
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
             He
             had
             been
             at
             York
             ,
             and
             went
             further
             ,
             and
             afterwards
             came
             to
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             When
             did
             you
             come
             from
             York
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             About
             the
             Thursday
             before
             ,
             if
             I
             be
             not
             mistaken
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Was
             it
             in
             a
             week
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             within
             a
             week
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             And
             you
             and
             Mr.
             Bolron
             came
             together
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             And
             you
             left
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             behind
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             And
             he
             overtook
             you
             upon
             the
             Road
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             :
             He
             was
             to
             go
             further
             into
             the
             North
             as
             soon
             as
             the
             Tryal
             of
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             was
             over
             ,
             and
             therefore
             he
             did
             very
             much
             importune
             me
             to
             stay
             in
             the
             Countrey
             till
             he
             came
             to
             go
             up
             with
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             What
             day
             was
             the
             Tryal
             of
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             On
             the
             Monday
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               J.
            
             
          
           
             You
             are
             sure
             of
             that
             ,
             &
             that
             Mr.
             Smith
             went
             further
             into
             the
             North.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             I
             see
             him
             take
             Horse
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Ser.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             But
             he
             did
             not
             come
             into
             the
             Company
             of
             you
             and
             Mr.
             Bolron
             till
             the
             Sunday
             after
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             See
             ye
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             He
             did
             desire
             me
             to
             stay
             in
             the
             Countrey
             till
             he
             came
             ,
             for
             he
             had
             a
             business
             of
             great
             concernment
             to
             impart
             to
             me
             ,
             but
             it
             would
             be
             a
             week
             or
             a
             fortnight
             ere
             he
             came
             ,
             but
             yet
             he
             came
             in
             a
             shorter
             time
             ,
             for
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             had
             received
             a
             Letter
             that
             brought
             him
             up
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             You
             are
             sure
             of
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               Serg.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             And
             you
             did
             not
             see
             him
             from
             the
             Monday
             before
             ,
             till
             that
             Sunday
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             no.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             Now
             then
             ,
             I
             ask
             you
             ,
             where
             was
             that
             place
             that
             he
             met
             with
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             At
             Wentbridge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.J.
             
          
           
             And
             then
             you
             came
             from
             thence
             towards
             London
             the
             next
             day
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Now
             would
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             of
             you
             ,
             for
             I
             perceive
             he
             did
             attack
             you
             to
             say
             
             something
             against
             Sir
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             ,
             and
             finding
             that
             you
             could
             not
             do
             it
             ,
             because
             you
             had
             no
             Acquaintance
             ,
             he
             applied
             himself
             to
             Bolron
             .
             I
             would
             know
             ,
             was
             it
             between
             that
             place
             and
             London
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             And
             after
             the
             3
             d.
             of
             August
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             it
             was
             after
             we
             set
             out
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             I
             thought
             it
             had
             been
             the
             24
             th
             .
             of
             July
             that
             you
             set
             out
             ,
             and
             continued
             your
             Journey
             the
             25
             ,
             26
             ,
             27
             ,
             28
             ,
             &
             29
             th
             .
             Alas
             ,
             we
             have
             lost
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             time
             between
             Mr.
             Bolron
             and
             Mr.
             
               Mowbray
               .
               Bolron
            
             said
             ,
             it
             was
             the
             25
             th
             .
             they
             lay
             at
             such
             a
             place
             ,
             and
             you
             are
             gotten
             to
             the
             3
             d.
             of
             August
             ;
             you
             are
             mistaken
             certainly
             ,
             as
             to
             point
             of
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             See
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             I
             will
             look
             in
             my
             Almanack
             ,
             't
             is
             all
             set
             down
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.J.
             
          
           
             Let
             us
             see
             now
             if
             your
             Oxford
             Journey
             be
             as
             well
             set
             down
             ,
             as
             your
             Journey
             to
             Lond.
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             Here
             is
             my
             Almanack
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Here
             ,
             look
             upon
             his
             Almanack
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ser.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Jones
            
             ,
             I
             don't
             care
             for
             his
             Almanack
             ,
             I
             had
             rather
             
               Mr.
               Mow.
            
             and
             
               Mr.
               Bolron
            
             could
             bring
             their
             Almanacks
             together
             ,
             and
             I
             would
             have
             them
             compared
             to
             see
             whether
             the
             3
             d.
             of
             August
             in
             one
             be
             the
             25
             th
             .
             of
             July
             in
             the
             other
             .
             Did
             you
             Discourse
             with
             him
             upon
             the
             Road
             the
             3
             d.
             of
             August
             ,
             and
             not
             before
             ,
             and
             Bolron
             that
             came
             up
             with
             you
             ,
             Discourse
             with
             him
             the
             25
             th
             .
             of
             July
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             I
             am
             mistaken
             ,
             I
             find
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ser.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Ay
             ,
             that
             you
             are
             ,
             one
             of
             you
             most
             grosly
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             See
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             here
             is
             my
             Almanack
             ,
             whereby
             I
             find
             that
             it
             is
             my
             mistake
             ;
             but
             pray
             see
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             here
             it
             is
             set
             down
             ,
             the
             day
             we
             came
             out
             was
             the
             24.
             the
             day
             we
             came
             to
             London
             was
             the
             27.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             How
             didst
             thou
             set
             out
             the
             3
             of
             August
             from
             that
             place
             ,
             and
             yet
             come
             to
             London
             the
             27
             th
             .
             of
             July
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             I
             will
             refer
             my self
             to
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             time
             we
             came
             up
             ,
             &
             here
             is
             my
             Almanack
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             I
             will
             believe
             thy
             Almanack
             to
             speak
             truth
             ,
             though
             it
             have
             never
             so
             many
             Errors
             about
             the
             Changes
             of
             the
             Weather
             ,
             sooner
             than
             I
             will
             believe
             thee
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             I
             perceive
             the
             man
             is
             mistaken
             in
             the
             moneth
             and
             the
             time
             ;
             but
             pray
             my
             Lord
             will
             you
             please
             to
             see
             ,
             for
             Justice
             sake
             ,
             if
             the
             Almanack
             be
             new
             writ
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Look
             you
             ,
             here
             is
             the
             matter
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             he
             was
             asked
             again
             ,
             and
             again
             ,
             what
             day
             it
             was
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             positive
             to
             the
             3
             d.
             of
             August
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             He
             was
             mistaken
             ,
             but
             his
             Almanack
             is
             right
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             speaks
             rashly
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             best
             can
             be
             said
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             a
             mistake
             of
             mine
             ,
             Sir
             George
             ,
             but
             my
             Almanack
             is
             right
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ser.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Mowbray
            
             ,
             don't
             enter
             into
             Dialogues
             with
             me
             ,
             I
             only
             make
             a
             little
             Observation
             upon
             your
             Almanack
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             It
             was
             only
             my
             mistake
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             are
             a
             rash
             man
             to
             affirm
             so
             :
             If
             you
             had
             an
             Almanack
             ,
             you
             should
             have
             consulted
             it
             ,
             or
             referred
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ser.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             we
             have
             lost
             a
             day
             even
             by
             your
             Almanack
             ;
             for
             yours
             says
             ,
             it
             was
             the
             27
             th
             .
             you
             came
             to
             Town
             ,
             Bolron
             the
             28
             th
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             I
             refer
             my self
             to
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ,
             he
             can't
             deny
             ,
             but
             he
             came
             up
             with
             us
             at
             that
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             You
             were
             examined
             at
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapletons
            
             Tryal
             ,
             was
             you
             not
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Mowbray
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             I
             was
             an
             Evidence
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             S.
             Jeff.
             
          
           
             Did
             the
             Jury
             believe
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             They
             did
             acquit
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             That
             is
             nothing
             to
             the
             purpose
             ;
             so
             was
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Would
             you
             ask
             any
             thing
             further
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Call
             
               Mrs.
               Mary
               Bolron
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             have
             any
             more
             Witnesses
             ,
             pray
             call
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Mowbray
            
             ,
             was
             Bolron's
             Wife
             by
             when
             this
             Discourse
             was
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Mow.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             she
             was
             in
             Town
             ,
             she
             did
             not
             go
             down
             with
             him
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Are
             you
             Bolron's
             Wife
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             ask
             her
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             
               Mrs.
               Bolron
            
             ,
             Pray
             do
             you
             know
             
               Mr.
               John
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Bol.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             do
             know
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             What
             can
             you
             say
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Bol.
             
          
           
             He
             sent
             several
             times
             for
             my
             Husband
             and
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             to
             my
             House
             ,
             something
             he
             would
             have
             them
             be
             concerned
             in
             ,
             some
             business
             he
             had
             in
             hand
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             When
             was
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Bol.
             
          
           
             Within
             this
             3
             weeks
             ,
             since
             he
             came
             up
             from
             York
             Assizes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             You
             may
             see
             there
             was
             an
             understanding
             between
             them
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             they
             go
             accordingly
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Bol.
             
          
           
             Now
             and
             then
             they
             have
             gone
             to
             him
             ,
             but
             they
             knew
             his
             business
             ,
             because
             they
             had
             Discourse
             with
             him
             ,
             as
             they
             said
             ,
             upon
             the
             Road
             ,
             and
             they
             would
             not
             go
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Would
             you
             ask
             her
             any
             thing
             else
             ?
             What
             do
             you
             know
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             ,
             for
             I
             am
             not
             one
             that
             stirs
             much
             abroad
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             As
             for
             Mr.
             Everard
             I
             need
             not
             ask
             him
             whether
             he
             knows
             him
             ,
             for
             they
             know
             one
             another
             well
             enough
             :
             But
             Mr.
             Everard
             that
             I
             would
             ask
             you
             is
             this
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             know
             
             of
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             and
             of
             this
             contrivance
             against
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             I
             have
             been
             to
             see
             of
             late
             ,
             and
             he
             told
             me
             he
             knew
             of
             no
             Presbyterian
             or
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             and
             when
             my
             Lord
             Howard
             was
             tried
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             the
             Bill
             brought
             against
             him
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             wondred
             how
             my
             Lord
             Howard
             could
             be
             Guilty
             ,
             and
             that
             both
             himself
             and
             I
             were
             joyned
             as
             Evidence
             to
             that
             Jury
             ,
             only
             to
             put
             a
             gloss
             upon
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             for
             says
             he
             ,
             I
             have
             nothing
             material
             to
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Everard
            
             ,
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             more
             concerning
             him
             ,
             what
             he
             hath
             said
             at
             other
             times
             concerning
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             told
             you
             already
             ,
             what
             I
             have
             heard
             him
             say
             ,
             That
             he
             thought
             there
             was
             no
             Protestant
             or
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             and
             that
             now
             of
             late
             within
             this
             little
             while
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Pray
             Sir
             was
             there
             not
             some
             discourse
             betwixt
             Just
             .
             Warcup
             and
             you
             in
             Lincolns-Inn
             walks
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             Is
             Justice
             Warcup
             an
             Evidence
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             no.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             all
             but
             Evidence
             of
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             therefore
             pray
             Sir
             ,
             what
             was
             the
             discourse
             between
             Justice
             Warcup
             and
             you
             ?
             what
             would
             he
             have
             had
             you
             done
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             think
             it
             is
             not
             material
             ,
             there
             is
             nothing
             of
             Mr.
             Warcup
             in
             this
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             If
             the
             Court
             does
             allow
             of
             it
             ,
             I
             will
             freely
             tell
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             the
             Papists
             design
             is
             to
             make
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             to
             turn
             off
             their
             own
             ,
             and
             they
             begin
             with
             me
             ,
             but
             if
             I
             should
             go
             they
             would
             not
             be
             satisfied
             with
             me
             ,
             they
             would
             be
             at
             others
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             nothing
             concerning
             a
             Presbyterian
             or
             Protestant
             Plot
             in
             the
             Case
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             If
             there
             be
             no
             Presbyterian
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             and
             others
             to
             joyn
             in
             it
             ,
             how
             could
             I
             do
             it
             by
             my self
             ,
             't
             is
             impossible
             I
             should
             have
             such
             a
             design
             of
             Seizing
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             improbable
             I
             should
             speak
             it
             .
             Now
             my
             Lord
             ,
             this
             man
             was
             solicited
             to
             come
             in
             for
             an
             Evidence
             of
             such
             a
             Plot.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             tell
             you
             it
             is
             not
             material
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Warcup
            
             is
             not
             concerned
             in
             your
             Trial.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             Justice
             Warcup
             would
             have
             perswaded
             me
             to
             have
             sworn
             against
             some
             Lords
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             but
             I
             deny
             that
             I
             know
             any
             such
             thing
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             The
             Papists
             aim
             is
             not
             at
             me
             only
             ,
             but
             at
             others
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             
               S.
               Jeff.
            
             
          
           
             We
             have
             nothing
             to
             do
             with
             what
             you
             and
             Justice
             Warcup
             talked
             of
             ;
             for
             Example
             sake
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             us
             have
             no
             discourses
             that
             concern
             third
             persons
             brought
             in
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Would
             he
             have
             perswaded
             you
             to
             say
             any
             thing
             that
             was
             not
             true
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ever
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             not
             say
             positively
             those
             words
             ,
             but
             this
             he
             said
             ,
             I
             knew
             several
             Lords
             —
             
               Mr.
               Just
               .
               Jones
            
             .
             Now
             here
             is
             Mr.
             Justice
             Warcup's
             same
             traduc'd
             behind
             his
             book
             in
             the
             face
             of
             the
             Countrey
             ,
             and
             it
             is
             nothing
             to
             this
             cause
             before
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             what
             he
             knows
             of
             these
             things
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             may
             speak
             it
             out
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             material
             thing
             for
             me
             and
             others
             :
             Here
             is
             a
             design
             of
             the
             Papists
             to
             turn
             a
             Plot
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             they
             begin
             with
             me
             ,
             and
             if
             they
             have
             my
             bloud
             who
             may
             feel
             the
             effects
             of
             it
             next
             I
             cannot
             tell
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Truly
             I
             think
             it
             not
             material
             to
             your
             Case
             ,
             and
             indeed
             't
             is
             of
             ill
             consequence
             to
             have
             any
             man
             traduced
             behind
             his
             back
             ,
             as
             
               Mr.
               Warcup
            
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             Macnamarra
             told
             me
             ,
             that
             that
             man
             would
             have
             seduced
             him
             to
             have
             retracted
             his
             Evidence
             ;
             upon
             my
             salvation
             't
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             We
             meddle
             not
             with
             Macnamarra
             neither
             ,
             he
             is
             no
             evidence
             against
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             Macnamarra
             hath
             sworn
             against
             me
             at
             the
             Old-baily
             ,
             and
             at
             the
             finding
             of
             this
             Bill
             ,
             but
             they
             have
             laid
             him
             by
             upon
             some
             trick
             or
             other
             ,
             I
             desire
             
               Mr.
               Everard
            
             may
             tell
             what
             he
             knows
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ev.
             
          
           
             I
             would
             not
             reflect
             upon
             any
             person
             ,
             nor
             will
             I
             answer
             it
             ,
             if
             the
             Court
             do
             not
             think
             fit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             this
             is
             foul
             play
             ,
             if
             I
             die
             my self
             for
             my
             Countreys
             sake
             ,
             I
             can
             do
             it
             freely
             ,
             and
             the
             will
             of
             God
             be
             done
             ,
             I
             would
             have
             the
             truth
             out
             for
             the
             sake
             of
             the
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             very
             willing
             to
             tell
             the
             truth
             if
             the
             Court
             think
             fit
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             see
             not
             that
             he
             says
             
               Mr.
               Warcup
            
             would
             have
             had
             him
             swear
             that
             which
             was
             not
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Ev.
             
          
           
             But
             this
             he
             said
             ,
             if
             the
             Court
             will
             allow
             me
             to
             speak
             it
             ,
             Just
             .
             Warcup
             said
             ,
             that
             certainly
             there
             was
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             and
             such
             things
             ;
             and
             that
             some
             Lords
             ,
             some
             of
             the
             Protestant
             protesting
             Lords
             must
             be
             guilty
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             said
             he
             ,
             certainly
             you
             know
             much
             of
             it
             ,
             You
             know
             such
             and
             such
             things
             ,
             therefore
             you
             may
             safely
             swear
             it
             ,
             if
             I
             knew
             it
             ,
             so
             by
             argument
             he
             would
             first
             prove
             there
             was
             a
             Plot
             and
             Combination
             amongst
             those
             Lords
             ,
             and
             then
             said
             he
             this
             you
             may
             safely
             swear
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             J.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             is
             this
             to
             your
             purpose
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ?
             only
             Warcup's
             name
             is
             brought
             upon
             the
             Stage
             when
             he
             is
             not
             here
             to
             vindicate
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Would
             you
             ask
             him
             any
             thing
             else
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Coll.
             
          
           
             If
             he
             does
             know
             any
             thing
             more
             of
             any
             of
             them
             ,
             I
             desire
             he
             would
             speak
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             M.
             Ev.
             
          
           
             Concerning
             
               Mr.
               Haynes
            
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             it
             was
             necessity
             that
             drove
             him
             to
             speak
             any
             thing
             against
             the
             Protestants
             and
             the
             hard
             P.
             and
             the
             gratitude
             he
             did
             receive
             from
             the
             Citizens
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Where
             did
             he
             tell
             you
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Then
             Mr.
          
           Jones
           
             acquainted
             the
             Court
             that
             Mr.
          
           Warcup
           
             was
             just
             come
             in
             ,
             and
             desired
             to
             vindicate
             himself
             .
             But
             the
             Kings
             other
             Councel
             waved
             it
             ,
             saying
             there
             was
             no
             weight
             in
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             fields
             neer
             Grays-Inne
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             J.
             C.
             
          
           
             How
             long
             since
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             About
             three
             weeks
             ago
             .
             I
             asked
             him
             ,
             Mr.
             Haynes
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             draw
             you
             from
             your
             Testimony
             in
             any
             thing
             ;
             but
             how
             can
             this
             be
             congruous
             to
             what
             you
             have
             said
             formerly
             ,
             That
             you
             knew
             nothing
             by
             them
             ?
             The
             truth
             is
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             will
             not
             say
             much
             to
             excuse
             my self
             ,
             but
             my
             Wife
             was
             reduced
             to
             that
             necessity
             ,
             that
             she
             begg'd
             at
             Rouse's
             door
             ,
             and
             craved
             some
             Salary
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Rouse
             would
             not
             give
             her
             any
             ;
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             meer
             necessity
             drove
             me
             to
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             found
             better
             Pay
             in
             another
             place
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             And
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             't
             is
             Self-preservation
             in
             the
             next
             place
             :
             for
             I
             was
             brought
             in
             guilty
             when
             I
             was
             taken
             up
             ,
             and
             therefore
             I
             was
             obliged
             to
             do
             some
             things
             to
             save
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             and
             Gentlemen
             ,
             observe
             what
             this
             Gentleman
             says
             ,
             Haynes
             takes
             this
             course
             to
             destroy
             innocent
             persons
             for
             his
             own
             preservation
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             Besides
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             there
             is
             a
             Judgment
             impending
             upon
             the
             Nation
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             either
             upon
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             upon
             the
             People
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             which
             ;
             but
             these
             Irish
             mens
             swearing
             against
             them
             ,
             is
             justly
             fallen
             upon
             them
             for
             their
             Injustice
             against
             the
             Irish
             in
             outing
             them
             of
             their
             Estates
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             So
             he
             did
             it
             then
             by
             way
             of
             revenge
             .
             For
             his
             Country-men
             ,
             I
             have
             nothing
             of
             their
             Estates
             ,
             I
             am
             sure
             ;
             therefore
             they
             had
             no
             cause
             to
             swear
             against
             me
             .
             But
             ,
             Mr.
             Everard
             ,
             have
             you
             any
             more
             to
             say
             concerning
             any
             of
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             No
             more
             concerning
             those
             persons
             that
             have
             sworn
             against
             you
             ,
             I
             can
             say
             no
             more
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             Dugdale
             or
             Turbervile
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             No
             indeed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             this
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             If
             the
             Court
             does
             allow
             concerning
             other
             persons
             ;
             but
             I
             would
             not
             intrude
             any
             thing
             but
             what
             the
             Court
             shall
             think
             fit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             but
             they
             may
             come
             in
             against
             me
             ;
             therefore
             pray
             tell
             what
             you
             know
             .
             Mr.
             Everard
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             more
             ?
             Pray
             let
             me
             know
             what
             you
             know
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             of
             any
             person
             that
             hath
             appeared
             against
             you
             as
             yet
             ,
             but
             what
             I
             have
             told
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             may
             do
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             And
             then
             we
             may
             properly
             hear
             him
             to
             them
             ,
             and
             not
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             who
             they
             are
             ;
             pray
             let
             me
             know
             their
             names
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Everard
             .
          
           
             Fitzgerald
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             hath
             been
             no
             Witness
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             
               Thomas
               Parkhurst
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             now
             he
             is
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             know
             concerning
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             the
             latter
             end
             of
             the
             last
             November
             ,
             when
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Westminster
             ,
             several
             times
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             having
             promised
             me
             his
             further
             Narrative
             to
             publish
             which
             he
             printed
             ,
             I
             met
             him
             several
             times
             ;
             one
             time
             I
             met
             him
             at
             Richard's
             Coffee-house
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             towards
             the
             evening
             before
             we
             went
             away
             ;
             he
             told
             me
             and
             Mr.
             Symonds
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             to
             speak
             with
             Dr.
             Tongue
             ;
             and
             he
             told
             us
             ,
             that
             this
             Dr.
             Tongue
             did
             lie
             at
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             ;
             and
             he
             having
             spoken
             the
             day
             before
             ,
             and
             several
             times
             ,
             of
             the
             danger
             he
             was
             in
             of
             his
             being
             assassinated
             by
             the
             Papists
             ,
             Mr.
             Symonds
             and
             I
             offered
             to
             go
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             we
             took
             a
             Coach
             ;
             for
             we
             did
             not
             know
             where
             Mr.
             Colledge
             lived
             :
             he
             had
             then
             a
             Rheum
             in
             his
             Eyes
             ,
             and
             was
             not
             well
             ;
             so
             we
             accompanied
             him
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             to
             speak
             with
             Dr.
             Tongue
             .
             It
             was
             the
             evening
             when
             we
             went
             ;
             and
             whilst
             we
             took
             a
             Pipe
             of
             Tobacco
             ,
             in
             our
             discourse
             we
             were
             speaking
             of
             the
             times
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             danger
             of
             the
             Papists
             ;
             so
             Colledge
             took
             down
             a
             steel
             Hat
             that
             hung
             up
             there
             ,
             which
             he
             said
             he
             had
             ,
             and
             he
             said
             he
             had
             a
             quilted
             Coat
             of
             Defensive
             Armor
             ,
             and
             he
             said
             he
             had
             a
             Blunderburss
             in
             his
             house
             ,
             and
             two
             Pistols
             .
             But
             I
             little
             thought
             of
             any
             thing
             of
             this
             ,
             neither
             did
             I
             know
             well
             what
             I
             was
             subpoena'd
             down
             for
             :
             But
             these
             Arms
             I
             saw
             in
             his
             house
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             onely
             in
             discourse
             that
             he
             was
             provided
             against
             the
             Papists
             ;
             so
             I
             put
             the
             steel
             Hat
             upon
             my
             head
             and
             pulled
             it
             off
             again
             ,
             and
             so
             did
             Mr.
             Symonds
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             say
             any
             thing
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             who
             I
             had
             those
             Arms
             against
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             .
          
           
             At
             that
             time
             there
             was
             no
             discourse
             in
             the
             world
             ,
             but
             of
             the
             danger
             from
             the
             Papists
             ;
             and
             he
             said
             he
             was
             provided
             for
             them
             ,
             if
             they
             did
             come
             to
             make
             any
             disturbance
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             When
             was
             it
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             about
             the
             latter
             end
             of
             November
             .
             I
             have
             the
             Narrative
             that
             I
             printed
             ,
             which
             was
             the
             23th
             or
             24th
             ;
             and
             I
             have
             no
             directions
             but
             that
             to
             remember
             the
             exact
             time
             .
             So
             we
             carried
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             home
             again
             in
             a
             Coach
             ,
             and
             gave
             him
             a
             pint
             of
             Wine
             at
             his
             Lodgings
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             This
             does
             not
             contradict
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             .
          
           
             Mr
             Dugdale
             does
             own
             this
             for
             a
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             So
             may
             any
             body
             own
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             Mr.
             Symonds
             ?
             Pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             know
             of
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Symonds
             .
          
           
             What
             about
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             your
             name
             here
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             but
             I
             know
             not
             for
             what
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Symonds
             .
          
           
             I
             can
             say
             the
             same
             that
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             did
             ;
             that
             I
             suppose
             is
             the
             business
             .
             All
             I
             know
             of
             it
             is
             this
             :
             I
             was
             with
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             and
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             at
             Richard's
             Coffee-house
             some
             time
             in
             November
             ,
             I
             think
             it
             was
             about
             the
             printing
             of
             Mr.
             Dugdale's
             further
             Information
             ;
             and
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             was
             saying
             ,
             Dr.
             Tongue
             had
             sent
             for
             him
             ,
             but
             spoke
             as
             if
             he
             was
             fearful
             of
             some
             danger
             in
             going
             alone
             ;
             so
             we
             proffered
             to
             go
             along
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             we
             took
             a
             Coach
             at
             the
             Coffee-house-door
             ,
             and
             went
             with
             him
             to
             Dr.
             Tongue
             ,
             who
             lodged
             at
             Mr.
             Colledges
             .
             When
             we
             came
             into
             the
             Room
             ,
             Mr.
             Parkhurst
             and
             I
             thought
             fit
             we
             should
             in
             civility
             withdraw
             ,
             which
             we
             did
             ;
             and
             Mr.
             Colledge
             brought
             us
             down
             into
             another
             Room
             ,
             where
             we
             sat
             and
             took
             a
             Pipe
             of
             Tobacco
             ,
             and
             talking
             about
             the
             common
             discourse
             of
             the
             times
             ,
             about
             the
             Papists
             and
             the
             danger
             from
             them
             ,
             there
             hung
             up
             in
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             Room
             some
             Arms
             ;
             what
             they
             were
             ,
             I
             dare
             not
             charge
             my
             memory
             with
             to
             swear
             particularly
             ,
             but
             I
             do
             think
             there
             was
             a
             silk
             Coat
             of
             Mail
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             a
             Cap
             of
             Steel
             ,
             and
             as
             I
             take
             it
             ,
             it
             was
             covered
             with
             Cloath
             or
             some
             such
             thing
             ;
             what
             else
             I
             can't
             well
             say
             :
             I
             think
             there
             was
             a
             Blunderbuss
             and
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             :
             And
             all
             the
             discourse
             that
             I
             remember
             then
             ,
             was
             onely
             this
             ;
             Speaking
             of
             the
             Papists
             ,
             and
             some
             fears
             as
             if
             there
             would
             be
             an
             Insurrection
             amongst
             them
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             Let
             the
             Papist
             Rogues
             begin
             when
             they
             will
             ,
             I
             am
             ready
             to
             defend
             my self
             for
             one
             .
             This
             is
             all
             I
             know
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             how
             long
             ago
             was
             this
             ?
             Dr.
             Tongue
             died
             before
             Christmas
             at
             my
             house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Symonds
             .
          
           
             I
             cannot
             tell
             exactly
             when
             it
             was
             ;
             but
             during
             the
             Session
             of
             Parliament
             I
             am
             sure
             it
             was
             ,
             and
             as
             I
             take
             it
             ▪
             in
             November
             the
             latter
             end
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             So
             then
             ,
             pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             see
             that
             these
             Arms
             they
             charge
             me
             withal
             ,
             were
             provided
             before
             Christmas
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             But
             there
             is
             nothing
             that
             contradicts
             Dugdale's
             Testimony
             in
             all
             this
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             does
             sufficiently
             contradict
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             see
             that
             this
             does
             at
             all
             contradict
             what
             he
             hath
             said
             ;
             but
             do
             you
             observe
             what
             you
             will
             upon
             it
             ,
             when
             you
             come
             to
             make
             your
             Defence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stranger
             .
          
           
             A
             Gentleman
             below
             desires
             you
             to
             call
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             what
             do
             you
             know
             concerning
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             that
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             sent
             for
             me
             to
             a
             Coffee-house
             to
             bespeak
             a
             Pistol
             for
             you
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             that
             when
             I
             had
             made
             the
             Pistol
             ,
             I
             should
             deliver
             it
             to
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             promised
             to
             pay
             for
             it
             when
             I
             had
             done
             it
             .
             Now
             some
             time
             after
             I
             did
             some
             small
             matter
             for
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             cleaned
             his
             Pistols
             ,
             or
             some
             small
             business
             ;
             and
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             asked
             me
             if
             I
             would
             drink
             a
             pint
             of
             wine
             ,
             which
             I
             agreed
             to
             ;
             and
             being
             at
             the
             Tavern
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             asked
             me
             if
             Mr.
             Colledges
             Pistol
             were
             done
             .
             I
             told
             him
             no
             ,
             it
             was
             not
             as
             yet
             .
             So
             I
             asked
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             because
             he
             had
             promised
             to
             give
             Mr.
             Colledge
             a
             Pistol
             ,
             what
             obligation
             there
             was
             betwixt
             Colledge
             and
             him
             ,
             that
             he
             should
             give
             him
             a
             Pistol
             ?
             to
             which
             he
             answered
             ,
             that
             Mr.
             Colledge
             had
             been
             serviceable
             to
             him
             in
             lending
             him
             a
             pair
             of
             Pistols
             to
             ride
             withal
             sometimes
             .
             So
             he
             gave
             him
             a
             Pistol
             to
             satisfie
             him
             for
             the
             wearing
             of
             his
             Pistols
             now
             and
             then
             .
             I
             thought
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             did
             impose
             upon
             your
             good
             nature
             too
             much
             ,
             not
             but
             that
             I
             believe
             Mr.
             Colledge
             is
             a
             very
             honest
             man
             ,
             and
             stands
             up
             for
             the
             good
             of
             the
             King
             and
             the
             Government
             .
             Yes
             ,
             said
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             I
             believe
             he
             does
             ,
             and
             I
             know
             nothing
             to
             the
             contrary
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             When
             was
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             A
             little
             after
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             for
             I
             never
             knew
             Mr.
             Colledge
             before
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             set
             me
             a
             work
             for
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             ,
             pray
             was
             there
             nothing
             in
             the
             Coffee-house
             about
             one
             that
             he
             asked
             to
             go
             with
             him
             ,
             when
             he
             said
             he
             knew
             nothing
             against
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             I
             heard
             one
             say
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             must
             speak
             your
             own
             knowledge
             ,
             you
             must
             not
             tell
             a
             tale
             of
             a
             Tub
             of
             what
             you
             heard
             one
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             I
             heard
             it
             affirmed
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             But
             by
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             By
             a
             person
             in
             the
             Coffee-house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Who
             was
             that
             person
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             By
             one
             of
             the
             Servants
             of
             the
             House
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             That
             is
             no
             Evidence
             at
             all
             :
             if
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             your
             own
             knowledge
             ,
             speak
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Is
             he
             here
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             think
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             do
             you
             think
             must
             we
             sit
             here
             to
             hear
             other
             peoples
             stories
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             your
             own
             knowledge
             ,
             I
             say
             ,
             speak
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Pray
             let
             me
             ask
             you
             that
             question
             again
             ,
             When
             was
             this
             that
             he
             said
             he
             believed
             he
             was
             an
             honest
             man
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Yates
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             about
             three
             weeks
             after
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             he
             does
             me
             wrong
             now
             :
             for
             if
             I
             were
             an
             honest
             man
             then
             ,
             it
             cannot
             be
             true
             that
             he
             says
             of
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Who
             do
             you
             call
             next
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             who
             hath
             been
             Sworn
             against
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             
               Stephen
               Dugdale
               ,
               John
               Smith
               ,
               Bryan
               Haynes
               ,
               Edward
               Turbervile
               ,
            
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             at
             his
             House
             it
             was
             I
             lay
             in
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             that
             Dugdale
             says
             I
             spake
             some
             of
             the
             Treasonable
             words
             :
             pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             do
             you
             know
             what
             time
             I
             came
             to
             Oxford
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             I
             remember
             it
             very
             well
             ,
             it
             was
             at
             the
             time
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxford
             ,
             about
             two
             or
             three
             days
             after
             it
             began
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             what
             Arms
             did
             I
             bring
             to
             your
             house
             ,
             Sir
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             the
             matter
             of
             Arms
             ,
             there
             was
             no
             other
             ,
             but
             a
             Sword
             and
             a
             pair
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             a
             pair
             of
             Pistols
             in
             his
             Holsters
             ,
             and
             his
             Sword
             by
             his
             side
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Was
             there
             no
             Silk
             Armor
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             I
             saw
             none
             ,
             if
             it
             please
             you
             ,
             such
             a
             thing
             might
             be
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             continued
             at
             his
             house
             from
             my
             coming
             in
             to
             my
             going
             out
             and
             that
             was
             till
             after
             the
             Parliament
             was
             Dissolved
             ;
             and
             I
             came
             after
             they
             were
             sat
             :
             but
             heark
             you
             Mr.
             Clayton
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             says
             he
             was
             with
             me
             at
             your
             house
             ,
             did
             you
             ever
             see
             him
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             I
             remember
             I
             have
             seen
             Dugdale
             at
             my
             house
             ,
             but
             never
             in
             your
             company
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             sell
             any
             Mum
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             never
             did
             sell
             any
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Because
             he
             says
             we
             had
             Mum
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             him
             there
             with
             you
             ,
             nor
             changed
             any
             word
             with
             him
             ,
             as
             I
             know
             of
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Was
             he
             never
             in
             the
             Company
             of
             Colledge
             at
             your
             house
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Clayton
             .
          
           
             Not
             that
             I
             saw
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             J.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             don't
             know
             all
             the
             Companies
             that
             come
             into
             your
             house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             told
             there
             are
             some
             that
             came
             from
             the
             Town
             where
             I
             was
             born
             that
             know
             me
             ,
             and
             have
             known
             me
             for
             twenty
             four
             or
             twenty
             five
             years
             together
             ,
             if
             you
             think
             that
             material
             for
             me
             to
             prove
             whether
             I
             am
             a
             Protestant
             or
             no.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             If
             you
             will
             make
             out
             that
             ,
             you
             may
             .
             But
             't
             is
             your
             Loyalty
             that
             is
             in
             question
             .
             If
             you
             will
             produce
             any
             that
             can
             make
             it
             appear
             ;
             that
             you
             use
             to
             honour
             the
             King
             in
             your
             discourse
             ,
             or
             so
             ,
             that
             is
             something
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             am
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             then
             the
             design
             is
             plain
             ,
             these
             men
             Swear
             to
             make
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             and
             turn
             the
             Plot
             off
             the
             Papists
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             What
             Church
             do
             you
             frequent
             in
             London
             to
             hear
             Divine
             Service
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             received
             the
             Sacrament
             several
             times
             ,
             Sir
             George
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             When
             were
             you
             last
             at
             the
             publick
             Church
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             hope
             I
             may
             be
             a
             Protestant
             if
             I
             have
             not
             gone
             thither
             ;
             but
             however
             ,
             I
             do
             use
             to
             go
             to
             Church
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             call
             whom
             you
             will.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Is
             
               Thomas
               Deacon
            
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             lives
             my
             Lord
             in
             the
             Parish
             where
             I
             was
             born
             .
             If
             you
             please
             Mr.
             Deacon
             to
             give
             my
             Lord
             an
             account
             what
             you
             know
             of
             me
             from
             my
             Childhood
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             known
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ever
             since
             he
             was
             a
             youth
             ,
             he
             was
             born
             in
             the
             Town
             where
             I
             live
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Where
             is
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             At
             Watford
             ,
             a
             Town
             in
             Hertfordshire
             .
             There
             he
             lived
             till
             he
             was
             a
             man
             ,
             and
             Married
             a
             Neighbours
             Daughter
             of
             mine
             ,
             and
             lived
             there
             while
             he
             had
             two
             Children
             ;
             I
             never
             knew
             but
             that
             he
             was
             a
             very
             honest
             man
             ,
             frequented
             and
             kept
             to
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             all
             along
             ,
             and
             paid
             every
             man
             his
             own
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             How
             long
             is
             it
             ago
             since
             he
             left
             that
             place
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             I
             can't
             directly
             tell
             how
             long
             it
             is
             truely
             ,
             but
             I
             think
             't
             is
             eighteen
             years
             since
             you
             left
             Watford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             fourteen
             years
             ago
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             fourteen
             ,
             and
             they
             say
             eighteen
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             ,
             I
             can't
             exactly
             tell
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             
               Mr.
               Deacon
            
             ,
             I
             have
             been
             in
             your
             Country
             lately
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             He
             used
             to
             come
             there
             once
             or
             twice
             a
             year
             generally
             to
             see
             his
             friends
             .
             I
             have
             heard
             him
             declare
             himself
             against
             the
             Popish
             Church
             always
             very
             much
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             never
             hear
             him
             talk
             against
             the
             Government
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             never
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Nor
             against
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             Nor
             against
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Was
             he
             in
             your
             Country
             the
             last
             Easter
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             I
             think
             it
             was
             about
             Easter
             he
             was
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Was
             he
             at
             Church
             there
             then
             ,
             and
             received
             the
             Sacrament
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Deacon
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             whether
             he
             was
             there
             of
             the
             Lords-day
             or
             no
             :
             He
             did
             quarter
             at
             another
             Town
             ,
             at
             Bushy
             ,
             where
             he
             has
             a
             Brother-in-law
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             call
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             is
             your
             Christian
             Name
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
           
             William
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             of
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Whether
             he
             knows
             me
             and
             my
             Education
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             I
             have
             known
             him
             this
             six
             and
             twenty
             years
             .
             I
             knew
             his
             Parents
             ,
             I
             know
             his
             Mother
             ,
             she
             lives
             now
             at
             Watford
             .
             I
             have
             known
             his
             behaviour
             to
             be
             very
             civil
             and
             good
             ;
             a
             very
             good
             Church-man
             he
             was
             when
             he
             lived
             with
             us
             ;
             and
             I
             have
             inquired
             ,
             and
             find
             he
             has
             the
             same
             Reputation
             in
             the
             Parish
             where
             he
             last
             lived
             in
             Black-fryers
             :
             He
             was
             no
             Jesuit
             nor
             Papist
             ,
             I
             dare
             aver
             ;
             he
             hath
             flouted
             them
             and
             mocked
             them
             with
             their
             Wooden
             Gods
             ,
             and
             the
             like
             ;
             for
             he
             never
             could
             endure
             that
             Perswasion
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             is
             not
             questioned
             for
             that
             ,
             but
             for
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             ever
             hear
             me
             speak
             any
             thing
             against
             the
             Government
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             knew
             of
             any
             ill
             behaviour
             of
             him
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             did
             you
             ever
             hear
             me
             say
             any
             thing
             against
             His
             Majesty
             or
             the
             Government
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
           
             Never
             that
             I
             know
             of
             .
             I
             knew
             him
             a
             Souldier
             for
             His
             Majesty
             ,
             in
             which
             service
             he
             got
             a
             fit
             of
             sickness
             ,
             which
             had
             like
             to
             have
             cost
             him
             his
             life
             ;
             he
             lay
             many
             Months
             ill
             ,
             to
             his
             great
             charge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             it
             he
             was
             in
             His
             Majesties
             Service
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
           
             At
             Chatham-business
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             under
             my
             Lord
             Rochester
             .
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             a
             Testimonial
             under
             the
             hands
             of
             seventy
             people
             of
             Watford
             ,
             to
             give
             an
             account
             of
             my
             good
             behaviour
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             J.
             Jones
             .
          
           
             He
             hath
             been
             gone
             thence
             these
             eighteen
             years
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Whitaker
             .
          
           
             He
             hath
             come
             there
             almost
             every
             half
             year
             ,
             sometimes
             three
             or
             four
             times
             in
             a
             year
             ,
             because
             his
             Mother
             lives
             there
             now
             ,
             and
             he
             came
             to
             pay
             his
             respects
             to
             her
             .
             His
             Children
             lived
             and
             went
             to
             School
             with
             us
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Come
             ,
             who
             do
             you
             call
             else
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Neale
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             I
             can
             say
             no
             more
             than
             the
             other
             men
             before
             me
             .
             I
             know
             the
             man
             ,
             he
             was
             bred
             and
             born
             at
             Watford
             ,
             he
             lived
             there
             several
             years
             ,
             he
             Married
             a
             Wife
             out
             of
             the
             Neighbourhood
             ,
             frequented
             the
             publick
             Worship
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             long
             ago
             is
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             Sixteen
             or
             seventeen
             years
             ago
             .
             But
             then
             he
             used
             to
             come
             once
             or
             twice
             a
             year
             into
             the
             Countrey
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             ever
             hear
             me
             speak
             any
             thing
             against
             the
             King
             or
             the
             Government
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             never
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             is
             it
             ago
             since
             you
             were
             in
             my
             Company
             last
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             When
             you
             were
             in
             Town
             last
             ,
             I
             never
             heard
             you
             say
             any
             thing
             that
             was
             ill
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             How
             long
             ago
             is
             it
             since
             we
             were
             at
             the
             
               White
               Hart
            
             together
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             about
             Spring
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             said
             right
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             was
             there
             about
             Easter
             .
             Pray
             did
             you
             ever
             hear
             me
             speak
             for
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             Truly
             the
             discourse
             we
             had
             I
             never
             used
             to
             keep
             in
             my
             mind
             ,
             but
             I
             never
             heard
             him
             speak
             any
             thing
             against
             the
             King
             or
             the
             Government
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Were
             you
             much
             conversant
             with
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Neale
             .
          
           
             When
             he
             came
             down
             to
             give
             his
             Mother
             a
             visit
             ,
             and
             see
             his
             Neighbours
             ,
             we
             used
             always
             to
             see
             one
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             will
             you
             call
             Mr.
             Tanner
             and
             Mr.
             Remington
             .
          
        
         
           [
           Mr.
           Remington
           
             stood
             up
          
           .
           ]
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Remington
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             I
             have
             known
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             these
             forty
             years
             ,
             and
             I
             have
             known
             that
             he
             always
             was
             an
             honest
             man.
             He
             was
             a
             Souldier
             some
             time
             ,
             but
             he
             always
             went
             to
             Church
             ,
             was
             no
             Conventicler
             ;
             and
             used
             to
             visit
             his
             Neighbours
             when
             he
             came
             down
             to
             see
             his
             Mother
             ,
             and
             was
             always
             looked
             upon
             to
             be
             a
             very
             good
             man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             you
             knew
             him
             a
             Souldier
             ,
             pray
             when
             was
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Remington
             .
          
           
             About
             the
             time
             of
             Harwich
             business
             .
             That
             is
             all
             I
             can
             say
             .
          
        
         
           [
           Then
           Mr.
           Tanner
           
             stood
             up
          
           .
           ]
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Come
             ,
             what
             say
             you
             ?
             what
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Tanner
             .
          
           
             I
             have
             known
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             from
             a
             Child
             forty
             years
             ,
             he
             was
             born
             at
             Watford
             ,
             his
             Father
             worked
             with
             my
             Father
             ,
             and
             great
             intimate
             acquaintance
             we
             had
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             saw
             him
             very
             often
             ;
             I
             never
             knew
             any
             fault
             in
             him
             ,
             and
             I
             never
             heard
             a
             bad
             report
             of
             him
             in
             all
             the
             Town
             of
             Watford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             seen
             him
             at
             Church
             lately
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Tanner
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             have
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             I
             would
             fain
             know
             whether
             this
             man
             hath
             been
             at
             Church
             himself
             ;
             he
             looks
             as
             if
             he
             had
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             whether
             he
             hath
             been
             at
             the
             Church
             you
             mean
             or
             no
             ;
             but
             he
             may
             be
             an
             honest
             man
             and
             a
             Protestant
             for
             all
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Call
             another
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Peter
               Norreys
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ?
             here
             he
             is
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             concerning
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             I
             was
             once
             in
             the
             
               Hercules
               Pillars
            
             where
             was
             Sir
             
               William
               Waller
               ,
               Macnamarra
               ,
               Mr.
               Joy
               ,
            
             and
             five
             or
             six
             of
             us
             together
             ;
             and
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             was
             there
             ,
             and
             we
             were
             talking
             concerning
             the
             Parliament
             approaching
             at
             Oxon.
             
          
        
         
           
             M.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Tell
             the
             names
             of
             the
             rest
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             Sir
             
               William
               Waller
               ,
               Macnamarra
               ,
               Mr.
               Ivy
               ,
               Mr.
               Lewes
               ,
               Macnamarra's
            
             Brother
             ,
             and
             I
             ,
             and
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Well
             said
             ;
             we
             don't
             meddle
             with
             any
             of
             these
             ,
             but
             
               Mr.
               Smith
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Was
             
               John
               Smith
            
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             He
             was
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             go
             on
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             We
             were
             talking
             of
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxon.
             Says
             Sir
             
               William
               Waller
            
             ,
             Most
             of
             the
             Parliament-men
             are
             afraid
             to
             go
             up
             to
             the
             Parliament
             .
             Truly
             ,
             said
             Smith
             ,
             I
             hope
             they
             will
             be
             provided
             to
             go
             ,
             if
             they
             do
             go
             .
             Says
             Sir
             
               William
               Waller
            
             ,
             I
             shall
             be
             provided
             with
             the
             rest
             of
             my
             friends
             ;
             and
             Mr.
             Colledge
             said
             ,
             I
             will
             go
             up
             with
             the
             rest
             of
             
             the
             Parliament-men
             ;
             I
             shall
             be
             provided
             too
             ,
             says
             most
             of
             the
             Evidence
             ;
             says
             Sir
             
               William
               Walter
            
             ,
             Will
             you
             go
             along
             with
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             provide
             you
             with
             an
             Horse
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             have
             an
             Horse
             of
             my
             own
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             please
             God
             I
             will
             have
             nothing
             else
             to
             do
             but
             to
             go
             with
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             not
             neglect
             it
             .
             This
             was
             all
             the
             discourse
             of
             the
             company
             for
             that
             night
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             hear
             Mr.
             Smith
             say
             any
             thing
             against
             me
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             not
             a
             word
             at
             all
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             this
             were
             a
             material
             Evidence
             against
             others
             of
             the
             Confederates
             ,
             if
             they
             had
             been
             examined
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             was
             at
             the
             Amsterdam
             Coffee-house
             the
             twenty
             third
             of
             June
             last
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             Mr.
             
               Denis
               Macnamarra
            
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             Will
             you
             go
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             give
             you
             a
             pot
             of
             Ale
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             nothing
             of
             
               Denis
               Macnamarra
            
             in
             question
             before
             us
             .
             If
             you
             have
             any
             thing
             to
             say
             against
             any
             of
             the
             Witnesses
             that
             have
             been
             Sworn
             ,
             go
             on
             with
             your
             Evidence
             ,
             we
             must
             not
             hear
             stories
             of
             other
             people
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             would
             speak
             against
             some
             men
             that
             have
             Sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             but
             are
             left
             out
             for
             some
             Reasons
             I
             know
             not
             .
             Pray
             call
             Mr.
             
               Thomas
               Norreys
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             What
             do
             you
             ask
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             he
             knew
             me
             in
             this
             Country
             some
             fifteen
             or
             sixteen
             years
             ago
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             been
             acquainted
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             about
             sixteen
             or
             eighteen
             years
             ,
             and
             he
             hath
             always
             carried
             himself
             very
             civilly
             and
             well
             ,
             and
             he
             kept
             to
             the
             Church
             for
             a
             considerable
             time
             as
             duely
             as
             any
             Parishioner
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             long
             have
             you
             known
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             This
             sixteen
             year
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             live
             in
             this
             Country
             ,
             don't
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             at
             Aylworth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             was
             at
             Astrop-wells
             last
             year
             .
             I
             believe
             Mr.
             Justice
             Levins
             saw
             me
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             was
             there
             with
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             We
             did
             discourse
             commonly
             then
             concerning
             the
             Papists
             .
             Pray
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             did
             you
             find
             me
             inclined
             to
             the
             Popish
             Interest
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             You
             spoke
             very
             much
             against
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             ever
             hear
             me
             speak
             against
             the
             King
             or
             the
             Government
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             never
             heard
             it
             ;
             for
             if
             he
             were
             my
             Brother
             ,
             I
             should
             have
             discovered
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             often
             have
             you
             seen
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             T.
             Norreys
             .
          
           
             Very
             often
             ,
             and
             conversed
             much
             with
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             Papers
             charged
             upon
             me
             that
             they
             were
             mine
             ,
             I
             declare
             I
             know
             not
             of
             them
             .
             Dugdale
             says
             I
             owned
             them
             ,
             and
             the
             Letter
             and
             several
             Prints
             ▪
             but
             truly
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             had
             done
             my self
             a
             great
             injury
             if
             I
             had
             done
             or
             owned
             those
             things
             he
             hath
             charged
             me
             withal
             .
             I
             never
             could
             make
             a
             Picture
             ,
             nor
             never
             did
             draw
             a
             Picture
             in
             my
             life
             ;
             and
             that
             very
             person
             that
             he
             says
             I
             owned
             I
             got
             it
             to
             be
             printed
             by
             ,
             hath
             denyed
             it
             before
             the
             King
             and
             Council
             ;
             for
             he
             there
             testified
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             not
             know
             the
             person
             that
             caused
             it
             to
             be
             printed
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             came
             you
             to
             have
             so
             many
             seized
             in
             your
             house
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             here
             is
             
               Elizabeth
               Hunt
            
             ,
             the
             Maid
             by
             whom
             they
             were
             taken
             in
             ,
             and
             who
             can
             give
             you
             an
             account
             of
             it
             .
             I
             cannot
             deny
             but
             that
             they
             were
             in
             my
             house
             ;
             but
             that
             I
             was
             the
             Author
             ,
             or
             did
             take
             them
             in
             ,
             is
             as
             great
             a
             mistake
             as
             ever
             was
             made
             .
             Call
             
               Elizabeth
               Hunt.
            
             I
             do
             not
             know
             whether
             Curtis
             be
             in
             Town
             ;
             but
             this
             I
             am
             confident
             ,
             he
             was
             Examined
             before
             the
             King
             and
             Council
             ,
             and
             he
             and
             his
             Wife
             denyed
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             He
             shall
             be
             called
             if
             he
             be
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             the
             printing
             of
             them
             ,
             nor
             was
             I
             the
             Author
             of
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             They
             were
             dispersed
             by
             you
             up
             and
             down
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             That
             they
             were
             in
             my
             house
             ,
             I
             believe
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ;
             and
             this
             woman
             will
             tell
             you
             how
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             Pray
             tell
             the
             Court
             how
             these
             Papers
             that
             are
             called
             the
             Raree-shew
             came
             to
             be
             in
             my
             house
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             A
             Porter
             brought
             three
             bundles
             to
             our
             house
             ,
             and
             asked
             whether
             my
             Master
             was
             not
             within
             .
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             no
             ,
             he
             was
             not
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             These
             Papers
             are
             to
             be
             left
             here
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             Who
             do
             they
             come
             from
             ?
             said
             he
             ,
             't
             is
             all
             one
             for
             that
             ,
             you
             must
             pay
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             must
             leave
             them
             here
             ;
             so
             I
             gave
             him
             six
             pence
             ,
             and
             he
             left
             the
             Papers
             ,
             but
             I
             never
             saw
             the
             
             man
             since
             nor
             before
             .
             And
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             never
             read
             them
             what
             they
             were
             ,
             but
             I
             saw
             they
             were
             such
             sort
             of
             prints
             as
             those
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             long
             was
             it
             before
             they
             were
             seized
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             A
             matter
             of
             seven
             or
             eight
             weeks
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             it
             seems
             they
             were
             put
             in
             a
             Box
             ,
             and
             left
             in
             my
             Counting
             house
             :
             I
             never
             touched
             them
             ,
             but
             there
             they
             staid
             ,
             for
             ought
             I
             know
             ,
             till
             they
             were
             taken
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             were
             Colledges
             Servant
             ,
             were
             you
             not
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             neither
             knew
             the
             Printer
             nor
             the
             Author
             ;
             but
             I
             heard
             a
             man
             was
             in
             trouble
             about
             them
             ,
             upon
             a
             By-Law
             in
             the
             Stationers
             Company
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             How
             came
             you
             by
             that
             Original
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             it
             there
             ?
             I
             know
             of
             none
             was
             produced
             .
             But
             if
             I
             were
             a
             person
             concerned
             ,
             it
             were
             no
             Treason
             ;
             and
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             do
             me
             that
             Justice
             ,
             to
             let
             the
             Jury
             know
             they
             are
             not
             Treason
             ,
             none
             of
             these
             Papers
             .
             And
             I
             do
             declare
             I
             know
             nothing
             of
             the
             Original
             ,
             the
             Printer
             ,
             nor
             the
             Author
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             spend
             time
             in
             making
             Observations
             out
             of
             order
             of
             time
             :
             when
             you
             have
             given
             your
             Evidence
             ,
             then
             make
             your
             Observations
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             confess
             I
             may
             erre
             as
             to
             matter
             of
             Order
             ,
             for
             I
             was
             never
             in
             this
             capacity
             before
             .
             But
             pray
             do
             you
             tell
             the
             Court
             how
             the
             Papers
             came
             there
             ,
             and
             all
             the
             transactions
             .
             For
             I
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             when
             they
             came
             and
             searched
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             No
             ,
             it
             was
             eight
             weeks
             before
             you
             were
             taken
             they
             were
             left
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             tell
             your
             Master
             soon
             after
             they
             were
             left
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             No.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Within
             what
             time
             did
             you
             tell
             him
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             I
             believe
             it
             was
             a
             week
             or
             a
             fortnight
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Where
             was
             your
             Master
             all
             that
             time
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             He
             was
             in
             the
             Countrey
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             did
             see
             them
             there
             ,
             I
             must
             confess
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             deny
             but
             I
             saw
             them
             there
             ,
             but
             I
             knew
             not
             whence
             they
             came
             ,
             nor
             whose
             they
             were
             .
             Nor
             did
             I
             ever
             intend
             to
             meddle
             with
             them
             ,
             nor
             concern
             my self
             about
             them
             .
             What
             have
             you
             to
             say
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             Concerning
             Mr.
             Dugdgale
             ,
             if
             I
             may
             speak
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Ay
             ,
             go
             on
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             I
             went
             to
             receive
             the
             Money
             of
             
               Mr.
               Dugdale
            
             that
             he
             owed
             my
             Master
             ,
             and
             asking
             him
             for
             it
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             he
             would
             pay
             me
             such
             a
             time
             to
             morrow
             morning
             ,
             if
             I
             would
             come
             for
             it
             ;
             but
             when
             I
             came
             ,
             he
             had
             not
             the
             Money
             ready
             for
             me
             .
             Sir
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             think
             't
             is
             very
             hard
             that
             you
             should
             keep
             my
             Masters
             Money
             from
             him
             ,
             and
             yet
             you
             go
             and
             Swear
             against
             his
             Life
             too
             :
             what
             do
             you
             think
             we
             shall
             do
             at
             home
             in
             the
             Family
             ,
             if
             you
             keep
             my
             Masters
             Money
             and
             he
             be
             in
             Prison
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             There
             is
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             do
             about
             my
             Swearing
             against
             your
             Master
             ,
             more
             than
             needs
             ;
             but
             as
             I
             hope
             for
             Salvation
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             believe
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             had
             any
             more
             hand
             in
             any
             Conspiracy
             against
             His
             Majesty
             ,
             than
             the
             Child
             unborn
             .
             Here
             is
             Dugdale
             ,
             let
             him
             deny
             it
             if
             he
             can
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             As
             I
             hope
             for
             Salvation
             I
             did
             not
             say
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             Upon
             my
             Salvation
             't
             is
             true
             what
             I
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stephens
             .
          
           
             This
             was
             the
             Maid
             that
             hid
             her
             Masters
             papers
             when
             they
             were
             searched
             for
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             ,
          
           
             Be
             quiet
             ;
             art
             thou
             got
             into
             Dialogues
             with
             the
             Maid
             now
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Stevens
            
             ,
             't
             is
             well
             known
             what
             a
             man
             you
             are
             to
             propagate
             Witnesses
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             she
             gave
             me
             an
             account
             of
             this
             in
             the
             Tower
             ,
             before
             I
             came
             away
             ,
             that
             Dugdale
             desired
             to
             speak
             with
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             and
             told
             her
             ,
             that
             nothing
             that
             he
             had
             to
             say
             would
             touch
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             As
             I
             am
             alive
             't
             is
             true
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             denies
             it
             now
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             He
             is
             not
             a
             right
             man
             if
             he
             denies
             it
             ,
             for
             he
             told
             it
             me
             twice
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             told
             Mr.
             Smith
             of
             it
             ,
             when
             he
             had
             leave
             to
             come
             to
             me
             :
             I
             told
             him
             what
             the
             Maid
             said
             he
             had
             said
             to
             her
             ,
             and
             this
             was
             three
             weeks
             ago
             ;
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             will
             speak
             with
             him
             with
             all
             my
             heart
             ,
             if
             he
             has
             a
             mind
             to
             speak
             with
             me
             ;
             for
             he
             hath
             said
             that
             he
             hath
             nothing
             against
             her
             Master
             that
             can
             touch
             an
             hair
             of
             his
             head
             ,
             nor
             nothing
             that
             can
             touch
             his
             Life
             ,
             that
             he
             knew
             nothing
             of
             a
             Plot
             or
             contrivance
             against
             the
             King
             ;
             and
             if
             I
             could
             help
             it
             ,
             I
             had
             as
             lieve
             have
             given
             a
             hundred
             pound
             I
             had
             never
             spoken
             what
             I
             have
             .
             This
             he
             said
             to
             her
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             tell
             her
             what
             to
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             he
             does
             not
             tell
             me
             ;
             for
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             said
             those
             very
             things
             to
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             an
             account
             I
             had
             when
             I
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             ;
             I
             could
             not
             direct
             her
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             deny
             what
             they
             say
             to
             be
             true
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             she
             came
             to
             me
             for
             money
             ;
             I
             told
             her
             I
             had
             it
             not
             ready
             ,
             but
             would
             pay
             her
             :
             And
             in
             the
             shop
             ,
             before
             the
             Apprentice-boy
             ,
             she
             desired
             of
             me
             that
             I
             would
             write
             two
             or
             three
             words
             what
             I
             had
             to
             say
             against
             her
             Master
             ;
             and
             I
             told
             Mr.
             Graham
             of
             it
             .
             So
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             cannot
             tell
             ,
             I
             have
             not
             the
             Papers
             ,
             nor
             what
             Informations
             I
             have
             given
             against
             him
             .
             So
             she
             came
             again
             the
             next
             morning
             ,
             and
             she
             was
             at
             me
             to
             write
             down
             what
             I
             said
             .
             I
             wonder
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             your
             Master
             will
             send
             you
             !
             had
             not
             he
             as
             good
             send
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             who
             is
             his
             Counsel
             ?
             And
             this
             was
             all
             the
             words
             we
             had
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             solemnly
             assure
             you
             ,
             he
             said
             he
             would
             write
             down
             what
             he
             had
             said
             against
             my
             Master
             ,
             and
             would
             fain
             speak
             with
             Mr.
             Smith
             ;
             for
             there
             was
             more
             ado
             made
             about
             it
             than
             needs
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Graham
             can
             tell
             what
             it
             was
             ;
             for
             I
             came
             and
             told
             him
             immediately
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Did
             you
             tell
             her
             you
             had
             nothing
             to
             say
             against
             her
             Master
             that
             would
             touch
             his
             life
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             could
             not
             say
             that
             I
             had
             said
             nothing
             against
             her
             Master
             ;
             for
             she
             asked
             me
             that
             I
             would
             write
             down
             what
             I
             had
             said
             ;
             but
             I
             told
             her
             I
             knew
             not
             what
             was
             Treason
             ,
             that
             must
             be
             referred
             to
             the
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             speak
             it
             openly
             or
             privately
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             He
             did
             not
             speak
             it
             aloud
             ;
             no
             body
             heard
             him
             but
             my self
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             in
             the
             shop
             ,
             and
             the
             Apprentice-boy
             was
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             Was
             this
             after
             he
             had
             been
             at
             the
             Old-bayly
             ,
             or
             before
             ?
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             it
             was
             after
             he
             had
             been
             at
             the
             Old-bayly
             ,
             and
             after
             he
             had
             been
             at
             Oxon
             too
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             Then
             it
             was
             before
             the
             Court
             what
             could
             be
             made
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             She
             hath
             gone
             forty
             times
             for
             the
             money
             I
             lent
             him
             out
             of
             my
             pocket
             ;
             and
             I
             lent
             him
             that
             ,
             when
             I
             had
             little
             more
             my self
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             I
             did
             tell
             him
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             if
             you
             can't
             let
             me
             have
             my
             Masters
             money
             ,
             if
             you
             please
             to
             tell
             me
             what
             you
             have
             made
             Oath
             against
             my
             Master
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             I
             can't
             let
             thee
             have
             it
             now
             ;
             but
             thou
             shalt
             have
             what
             I
             have
             to
             say
             against
             him
             :
             I
             will
             draw
             it
             up
             in
             Writing
             ▪
             and
             thou
             shalt
             have
             it
             to
             morrow-morning
             .
             The
             next
             morning
             I
             came
             to
             him
             again
             ,
             and
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             am
             come
             again
             ;
             what
             must
             I
             do
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             money
             ;
             such
             an
             one
             hath
             not
             hoped
             me
             to
             it
             .
             Sir
             ,
             then
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             be
             as
             good
             as
             your
             word
             ,
             to
             let
             me
             know
             what
             you
             have
             made
             Oath
             against
             my
             Master
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             I
             was
             about
             it
             yesterday
             ,
             but
             could
             not
             do
             it
             :
             But
             ,
             Sweetheart
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             (
             and
             took
             me
             by
             the
             hand
             )
             I
             will
             give
             you
             a
             Copy
             of
             it
             to
             day
             at
             ten
             of
             the
             clock
             ;
             and
             if
             I
             do
             not
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             it
             thee
             by
             word
             of
             mouth
             .
             So
             I
             came
             to
             the
             house
             at
             ten
             ,
             and
             staid
             till
             eleven
             ,
             but
             did
             not
             see
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             had
             a
             great
             mind
             to
             be
             tampering
             .
          
        
         
           
             El.
             Hunt.
             
          
           
             The
             first
             time
             ,
             he
             asked
             me
             who
             was
             his
             Counsel
             ;
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             ;
             then
             said
             he
             ,
             I
             have
             a
             great
             desire
             to
             speak
             with
             him
             :
             So
             I
             told
             my
             Master
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             you
             see
             it
             is
             but
             black
             and
             white
             ,
             all
             this
             whole
             contrivance
             upon
             me
             .
             She
             hath
             proved
             I
             knew
             nothing
             of
             these
             Papers
             ;
             and
             indeed
             I
             did
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             call
             any
             more
             Witnesses
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             my
             Brother-in-law
             that
             received
             those
             Papers
             .
             Call
             
               George
               Spur
            
             and
             
               Sarah
               Godwin
            
             .
          
        
         
           [
           Mrs.
           Godwin
           appeared
           .
           ]
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             any
             thing
             of
             the
             Papers
             that
             were
             carried
             to
             my
             Brother
             
               George
               Spurrs
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             I
             do
             .
             The
             Saturday
             after
             my
             Brothers
             Confinement
             ,
             about
             eight
             of
             the
             clock
             in
             the
             morning
             ▪
             I
             having
             heard
             of
             it
             ,
             came
             into
             the
             House
             ,
             and
             in
             a
             quarter
             of
             an
             hours
             time
             ,
             in
             comes
             a
             Waterman
             and
             desires
             an
             handful
             or
             two
             of
             shavings
             .
             I
             knowing
             not
             who
             he
             was
             ,
             nor
             what
             he
             desired
             them
             for
             ,
             told
             him
             ,
             he
             should
             have
             them
             ;
             so
             he
             went
             up
             to
             the
             working
             shop
             to
             gather
             them
             ,
             for
             he
             pretended
             that
             to
             be
             his
             business
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             Whose
             Waterman
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             A
             Waterman
             I
             suppose
             that
             belonged
             to
             His
             Majesty
             ,
             for
             he
             had
             a
             Coat
             marked
             with
             
               R.
               C.
            
             
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             after
             I
             was
             in
             Custody
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             it
             was
             the
             Saturday
             after
             .
             So
             no
             sooner
             had
             he
             the
             shavings
             ,
             but
             he
             goes
             out
             of
             the
             Shop
             ,
             and
             comes
             in
             again
             with
             Three
             of
             His
             Majesties
             Messengers
             ,
             and
             they
             made
             enquiry
             after
             papers
             ,
             and
             I
             being
             innocent
             of
             concealing
             any
             papers
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             said
             I
             knew
             of
             none
             ;
             so
             they
             came
             to
             one
             box
             that
             had
             the
             Tooles
             for
             the
             men
             to
             work
             with
             ,
             and
             they
             demanded
             the
             keys
             .
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             I
             knew
             not
             where
             the
             keys
             were
             .
             So
             they
             went
             to
             the
             next
             and
             found
             it
             open
             ,
             but
             nothing
             did
             they
             find
             there
             ;
             there
             was
             a
             Bed
             wherein
             formerly
             my
             Brothers
             Servants
             did
             lye
             .
             Said
             one
             to
             the
             other
             ,
             Look
             well
             whether
             there
             be
             not
             something
             hid
             in
             that
             bed
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             suppose
             there
             is
             no
             such
             thing
             as
             you
             inquire
             for
             :
             if
             you
             please
             ,
             you
             may
             take
             off
             the
             Cloths
             ,
             and
             gave
             them
             free
             toleration
             to
             look
             ;
             but
             for
             the
             Chest
             ,
             I
             would
             not
             deliver
             the
             Keys
             ,
             because
             the
             man
             was
             not
             there
             that
             owned
             it
             .
             In
             their
             searching
             ,
             they
             flung
             down
             the
             Wainscote
             ,
             and
             did
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             damage
             to
             his
             Goods
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             I
             suppose
             you
             have
             Order
             to
             search
             ,
             but
             none
             to
             spoil
             a
             mans
             Goods
             .
             When
             they
             were
             gone
             ,
             having
             found
             none
             ,
             they
             threatned
             God
             dam
             them
             they
             would
             have
             them
             ,
             for
             there
             they
             were
             .
             But
             I
             being
             ignorant
             of
             the
             concealment
             of
             the
             papers
             ,
             I
             requested
             the
             Maid
             and
             my
             Brothers
             Son
             ,
             whether
             they
             knew
             of
             any
             papers
             ,
             and
             they
             satisfied
             me
             they
             knew
             of
             some
             prints
             that
             were
             brought
             by
             a
             Porter
             ,
             to
             be
             left
             at
             my
             Brothers
             ,
             but
             they
             knew
             not
             whence
             they
             came
             ,
             nor
             what
             they
             were
             :
             and
             the
             same
             answer
             gave
             my
             Brothers
             Son
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             not
             know
             whose
             the
             papers
             were
             .
             But
             since
             his
             Fathers
             Confinement
             ,
             they
             were
             laid
             up
             sure
             and
             safe
             ,
             for
             they
             knew
             not
             what
             they
             concerned
             .
             Upon
             this
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             my
             Brother-in-law
             
               George
               Spur
            
             ,
             he
             comes
             into
             the
             house
             ,
             and
             if
             it
             please
             your
             Honour
             ,
             I
             requested
             him
             to
             carry
             them
             into
             the
             Countrey
             to
             his
             house
             ,
             to
             secure
             them
             till
             we
             knew
             what
             they
             did
             concern
             ,
             and
             who
             they
             did
             belong
             to
             .
             Whereupon
             he
             replyed
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             That
             he
             was
             fearful
             to
             carry
             any
             thing
             out
             of
             the
             house
             ;
             said
             I
             ,
             If
             you
             will
             please
             to
             take
             them
             of
             me
             ,
             I
             will
             carry
             them
             out
             of
             the
             house
             for
             your
             security
             ,
             because
             his
             Wife
             looked
             every
             hour
             (
             being
             with
             Child
             )
             when
             she
             should
             be
             delivered
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             fearful
             of
             troubling
             her
             .
             So
             I
             carried
             them
             out
             of
             the
             house
             ,
             and
             delivered
             them
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             To
             whom
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             To
             my
             Brother-in-law
             
               Mr.
               George
               Spur.
            
             So
             at
             my
             going
             out
             ,
             after
             I
             had
             delivered
             them
             to
             him
             ,
             in
             my
             way
             back
             again
             ,
             I
             found
             a
             small
             paper-Book
             ,
             and
             a
             small
             parcel
             of
             Writings
             ;
             who
             dropped
             them
             ,
             or
             who
             laid
             them
             there
             ,
             I
             cannot
             tell
             .
             But
             taking
             them
             up
             unadvisedly
             ,
             I
             put
             them
             among
             the
             prints
             ,
             which
             I
             carried
             out
             ;
             I
             delivered
             them
             to
             my
             Brother-in-law
             .
             This
             is
             all
             I
             have
             to
             say
             as
             to
             the
             papers
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             Three
             parts
             of
             what
             she
             hath
             said
             is
             false
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             hold
             you
             your
             tongue
             .
          
        
         
           
             Stevens
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Atterbury
            
             is
             here
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             searched
             the
             house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             Be
             pleased
             to
             give
             me
             my
             Oath
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             what
             passed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             don't
             think
             it
             material
             ,
             but
             you
             were
             Sworn
             before
             ,
             stand
             up
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             Tell
             the
             manner
             of
             finding
             the
             papers
             .
             This
             woman
             gives
             us
             an
             account
             of
             a
             Waterman
             that
             came
             in
             ,
             pretending
             to
             fetch
             shavings
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             Upon
             my
             Oath
             it
             was
             not
             so
             .
             The
             Waterman
             was
             a
             Waterman
             that
             brought
             me
             and
             two
             more
             of
             my
             Fellows
             ,
             and
             the
             Waterman
             followed
             us
             into
             the
             yard
             ▪
             but
             came
             after
             us
             :
             and
             being
             ordered
             to
             look
             for
             papers
             ,
             I
             did
             search
             the
             House
             ;
             for
             I
             had
             Intelligence
             that
             there
             were
             papers
             there
             ,
             but
             I
             did
             not
             find
             them
             there
             .
             But
             upon
             finding
             the
             first
             papers
             ,
             I
             made
             the
             more
             diligent
             search
             ,
             but
             could
             not
             find
             the
             rest
             I
             most
             chiefly
             sought
             after
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Did
             the
             Kings
             Waterman
             take
             any
             shavings
             by
             himself
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             We
             were
             all
             together
             ,
             we
             did
             not
             move
             out
             of
             any
             one
             Room
             ,
             but
             together
             ;
             this
             Gentlewoman
             was
             in
             the
             house
             when
             I
             came
             ,
             and
             there
             was
             a
             little
             Child
             ,
             a
             Girl
             ,
             and
             this
             Maid
             was
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             come
             for
             shavings
             there
             pray
             
               Mr.
               Atterbury
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Atterbury
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             The
             Waterman
             did
             though
             first
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Call
             
               George
               Spur.
            
             (
             But
             he
             did
             not
             appear
             .
             )
             But
             
               Mr.
               Atterbury
            
             ,
             before
             you
             go
             down
             ,
             pray
             tell
             the
             Court
             ,
             did
             you
             take
             any
             of
             these
             papers
             at
             my
             house
             ,
             or
             at
             my
             Brother-in-law
             Spurs
             house
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Sewel
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             took
             the
             papers
             ,
             and
             I
             took
             them
             at
             Bushy
             at
             Spur's
             house
             .
             And
             this
             woman
             carried
             out
             one
             half
             to
             Spur
             ,
             and
             the
             Maid
             carried
             out
             the
             other
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             When
             did
             he
             carry
             them
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             The
             same
             day
             they
             searched
             for
             them
             ,
             for
             my
             Brother
             came
             in
             at
             the
             same
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             How
             do
             you
             know
             Spur
             carried
             any
             away
             ?
          
        
         
           
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             He
             carried
             none
             out
             of
             the
             house
             ,
             I
             carried
             them
             out
             of
             the
             house
             and
             delivered
             them
             to
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Then
             they
             were
             in
             your
             house
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mrs.
             Goodwin
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             in
             the
             Counting-house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             If
             they
             were
             in
             any
             other
             place
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             how
             they
             came
             there
             ,
             for
             this
             was
             all
             done
             after
             I
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             ;
             and
             Sewel
             says
             they
             were
             removed
             when
             I
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             .
             Where
             is
             
               George
               Spur
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             It
             is
             admitted
             they
             were
             at
             your
             house
             ,
             and
             taken
             thence
             ,
             and
             afterwards
             carried
             to
             Spurs
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             carried
             them
             abroad
             and
             handed
             them
             from
             one
             to
             another
             ,
             and
             took
             them
             into
             the
             Countrey
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             what
             they
             did
             with
             them
             ;
             but
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             neither
             know
             the
             Printer
             nor
             the
             Author
             ,
             I
             declare
             it
             upon
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Have
             you
             any
             more
             Witnesses
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Will
             you
             that
             are
             of
             Counsel
             for
             the
             King
             call
             any
             more
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             One
             or
             two
             if
             you
             please
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             Call
             
               John
               Shirland
            
             .
             And
             it
             is
             to
             this
             purpose
             ,
             it
             seems
             very
             lately
             
               Mr.
               Bolron
            
             would
             have
             tempted
             him
             to
             have
             forsworn
             himself
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             hope
             ,
             if
             they
             bring
             in
             any
             persons
             of
             new
             Evidence
             ,
             I
             may
             have
             leave
             to
             contradict
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             need
             not
             fear
             ,
             but
             you
             shall
             be
             heard
             to
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             shall
             prove
             Bolron
             to
             be
             a
             Suborner
             of
             Witnesses
             ;
             and
             that
             the
             Jury
             may
             know
             what
             he
             is
             ,
             he
             and
             Mowbray
             have
             gone
             to
             give
             Evidence
             at
             several
             Trials
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             would
             never
             believe
             them
             when
             they
             were
             on
             their
             Oaths
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             I
             think
             it
             needs
             not
             ,
             time
             hath
             been
             spent
             enough
             already
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             whispering
             ,
             good
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Sir
             G.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Good
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             you
             are
             not
             to
             tell
             me
             my
             duty
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Is
             it
             not
             lawful
             for
             the
             Kings
             Counsel
             to
             confer
             together
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Not
             to
             whisper
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             all
             ought
             to
             be
             spoken
             out
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Nothing
             ought
             to
             be
             said
             to
             the
             Jury
             indeed
             privately
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             shall
             not
             we
             talk
             among
             ourselves
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             hope
             not
             of
             any
             thing
             that
             concerns
             my
             Tryal
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             are
             deceived
             in
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             think
             't
             is
             Law
             ,
             that
             all
             ought
             to
             be
             publick
             ,
             I
             beg
             your
             pardon
             if
             I
             am
             in
             the
             wrong
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Swear
             
               John
               Shirland
            
             .
             (
             which
             was
             done
             )
             Pray
             give
             the
             Court
             and
             the
             Jury
             an
             accompt
             of
             Bolron
             ,
             what
             you
             know
             of
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Shirland
             .
          
           
             Bolron
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             last
             Whitson-Tuesday
             ,
             would
             have
             given
             me
             ten
             pound
             and
             an
             horse
             to
             go
             down
             and
             Swear
             against
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             .
             I
             was
             to
             Swear
             I
             was
             Suborned
             by
             his
             friends
             ,
             and
             several
             other
             persons
             ,
             which
             I
             have
             discovered
             upon
             my
             Oath
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Is
             this
             man
             Sworn
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Yes
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Now
             call
             Bolron
             to
             confront
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             offered
             you
             an
             Horse
             ,
             as
             much
             as
             I
             offered
             Turbervil
             an
             Horse
             ,
             and
             I
             never
             offered
             him
             an
             Horse
             in
             the
             world
             .
          
        
         
           [
           Then
           Bolron
           appeared
           .
           ]
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Is
             this
             the
             man
             ,
             Shirland
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Did
             he
             give
             you
             Ten
             pound
             to
             Swear
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Shirland
             .
          
           
             He
             bid
             me
             Ten
             pound
             and
             an
             Horse
             to
             Swear
             against
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             you
             ever
             see
             him
             ,
             Bolron
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             he
             was
             to
             have
             been
             a
             Witness
             against
             Sir
             
               Miles
               Stapleton
            
             ,
             and
             he
             pretended
             that
             he
             was
             Suborned
             by
             Sir
             Miles
             ,
             or
             some
             of
             his
             friends
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             are
             you
             ,
             Sir
             ?
             Mr.
             Bolron
             ,
             what
             is
             Mr.
             Shirland
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             He
             is
             a
             man
             that
             lives
             by
             his
             Shifts
             :
             He
             hath
             been
             whip'd
             in
             Bridewel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             you
             know
             him
             ,
             Sir
             ?
             What
             is
             he
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             Even
             an
             idle
             man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Shirland
             .
          
           
             You
             ,
             once
             when
             you
             saw
             me
             ,
             drew
             your
             Sword
             on
             me
             ,
             because
             I
             would
             not
             do
             as
             you
             would
             have
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             I
             profess
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             't
             is
             not
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Here
             is
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             hear
             what
             he
             says
             against
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             As
             we
             were
             coming
             up
             along
             ,
             he
             was
             speaking
             to
             me
             of
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             told
             me
             ,
             he
             had
             as
             much
             to
             say
             against
             him
             as
             any
             body
             ;
             and
             if
             I
             would
             speak
             for
             him
             ,
             he
             would
             evidence
             against
             Sir
             
               John
               Brookes
            
             for
             a
             discourse
             at
             Ferry-bridge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Bolron
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             did
             hear
             any
             such
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Smith
             .
          
           
             No
             man
             in
             your
             own
             Country
             will
             believe
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             believed
             you
             no
             more
             ,
             it
             seems
             ,
             neither
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Do
             you
             call
             any
             more
             Witnesses
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             I
             think
             we
             need
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Look
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             as
             I
             understand
             it
             ,
             the
             Kings
             Counsel
             will
             produce
             no
             more
             Witnesses
             .
             You
             may
             make
             what
             Observations
             you
             will
             upon
             the
             Evidence
             to
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             then
             must
             them
             make
             what
             Observations
             they
             will
             to
             the
             Court
             ;
             and
             then
             we
             will
             give
             the
             Charge
             to
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             onely
             Innocence
             to
             plead
             ;
             I
             have
             no
             Flourishes
             to
             set
             off
             my
             defence
             .
             I
             cannot
             take
             the
             Jury
             nor
             the
             Court
             with
             an
             Oratory
             ;
             I
             am
             unhappy
             in
             those
             things
             .
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             declare
             ,
             as
             to
             my
             own
             particular
             ,
             in
             the
             presence
             of
             God
             Almighty
             ,
             That
             as
             to
             whatsoever
             is
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             seizing
             his
             Majesty
             ,
             providing
             Arms
             ,
             or
             having
             any
             designe
             either
             at
             Oxford
             or
             London
             ,
             or
             any
             other
             place
             in
             the
             world
             ,
             to
             seize
             upon
             the
             person
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             to
             rebel
             against
             the
             Government
             established
             ;
             I
             vow
             to
             God
             Almighty
             ,
             I
             never
             had
             such
             a
             thought
             in
             me
             :
             't
             is
             a
             truth
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             My
             Lord
             ,
             they
             have
             sworn
             desperately
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             it
             hath
             appeared
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             by
             very
             credible
             persons
             ,
             that
             they
             have
             contradicted
             one
             another
             .
             It
             hath
             been
             proved
             that
             this
             was
             a
             designe
             ;
             that
             they
             were
             tampered
             withal
             ;
             that
             they
             complained
             they
             were
             in
             poverty
             ,
             that
             they
             wanted
             maintenance
             ;
             and
             they
             did
             confess
             they
             were
             tempted
             to
             come
             over
             to
             swear
             against
             Protestants
             :
             and
             now
             the
             Lord
             knows
             they
             have
             closed
             with
             it
             ,
             and
             they
             begin
             with
             me
             .
             I
             hope
             the
             Jury
             have
             taken
             notice
             that
             I
             have
             contradicted
             them
             sufficiently
             in
             what
             they
             have
             sworn
             ;
             and
             that
             it
             is
             not
             possible
             ,
             if
             I
             had
             a
             grain
             of
             sence
             ,
             for
             me
             to
             discover
             my self
             to
             be
             such
             an
             one
             to
             Haynes
             that
             was
             an
             Irish-man
             ,
             and
             should
             speak
             all
             the
             Treason
             that
             he
             hath
             galloped
             through
             at
             first
             sight
             ,
             that
             as
             soon
             as
             ever
             I
             saw
             him
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             speak
             so
             to
             him
             ;
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             consider
             whether
             it
             consists
             with
             common
             Reason
             ,
             when
             there
             could
             be
             no
             probability
             of
             making
             any
             use
             of
             him
             in
             the
             world
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             all
             my
             Witnesses
             that
             I
             have
             brought
             ,
             your
             Lordship
             can
             ,
             and
             I
             hope
             will
             sum
             them
             up
             better
             than
             I
             can
             ;
             for
             I
             declare
             it
             ,
             I
             have
             been
             so
             concern'd
             ,
             that
             I
             have
             not
             been
             able
             to
             write
             half
             of
             it
             down
             .
             But
             I
             think
             there
             is
             never
             a
             man
             that
             hath
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             but
             hath
             been
             sufficiently
             confuted
             by
             persons
             of
             integrity
             and
             honesty
             ,
             men
             of
             Principles
             ,
             and
             men
             of
             Religion
             ;
             they
             are
             such
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             make
             Conscience
             of
             what
             they
             say
             :
             they
             are
             persons
             altogether
             unknown
             to
             me
             ,
             most
             of
             them
             ,
             as
             to
             what
             they
             had
             to
             say
             ,
             it
             was
             what
             they
             offered
             voluntarily
             ;
             and
             I
             am
             certain
             they
             have
             had
             nothing
             but
             their
             bare
             Charges
             ,
             if
             they
             had
             that
             ,
             for
             their
             pains
             in
             coming
             hither
             ;
             and
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             probability
             that
             they
             should
             come
             and
             attest
             any
             thing
             that
             is
             false
             ,
             for
             me
             who
             am
             a
             stranger
             ,
             for
             nothing
             :
             No
             man
             is
             a
             Knave
             for
             nothing
             ,
             as
             I
             believe
             these
             men
             are
             not
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             declare
             it
             ,
             I
             was
             bred
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             and
             have
             lived
             so
             ;
             I
             am
             so
             to
             this
             very
             day
             ;
             I
             have
             been
             a
             lover
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             of
             all
             the
             fundamental
             points
             of
             Doctrine
             believed
             in
             it
             ;
             I
             own
             the
             same
             God
             ,
             the
             same
             Saviour
             ,
             the
             same
             Gospel
             ,
             and
             the
             same
             Faith
             ;
             I
             never
             had
             a
             prejudice
             against
             any
             man
             in
             the
             Church
             in
             my
             life
             ,
             but
             such
             as
             have
             made
             it
             their
             business
             to
             promote
             the
             interest
             of
             the
             Papists
             ,
             and
             such
             I
             must
             beg
             leave
             to
             say
             there
             are
             amongst
             them
             :
             for
             there
             is
             no
             Society
             in
             the
             world
             ,
             without
             some
             bad
             men
             ;
             and
             these
             do
             promote
             the
             interest
             of
             the
             Papists
             ,
             by
             dividing
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             and
             allowing
             none
             to
             be
             true
             Protestants
             but
             those
             that
             are
             within
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             established
             by
             Law
             ;
             which
             is
             a
             Notion
             so
             wide
             I
             could
             never
             close
             with
             that
             .
             I
             never
             had
             a
             prejudice
             against
             any
             man
             but
             a
             Knave
             in
             my
             life
             .
             I
             have
             heard
             ,
             I
             confess
             ,
             some
             of
             the
             Dissenters
             ,
             and
             I
             have
             found
             very
             honest
             ,
             just
             ,
             pious
             ,
             godly
             men
             among
             them
             ;
             men
             free
             from
             Oaths
             and
             all
             Debauchery
             ;
             men
             that
             make
             a
             Conscience
             of
             what
             they
             say
             :
             not
             like
             some
             persons
             that
             say
             they
             are
             of
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             that
             carry
             themselves
             in
             their
             lives
             and
             actions
             ,
             so
             as
             that
             no
             credit
             can
             be
             gained
             to
             the
             Church
             by
             them
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             been
             an
             hearty
             man
             against
             the
             Papists
             ;
             I
             have
             been
             an
             hearty
             man
             as
             any
             person
             of
             my
             condition
             ,
             for
             Parliaments
             ,
             which
             I
             look
             upon
             to
             be
             my
             Birth-right
             ,
             and
             under
             God
             Almighty
             ,
             the
             Bulwark
             of
             our
             Liberty
             ;
             and
             I
             am
             sorry
             if
             any
             man
             should
             be
             an
             instrument
             to
             create
             a
             misunderstanding
             betwixt
             the
             King
             and
             the
             
             Parliament
             :
             for
             I
             always
             thought
             I
             served
             my
             Country
             ,
             when
             I
             served
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             I
             served
             my
             King
             when
             I
             served
             my
             Country
             .
             I
             never
             made
             any
             difference
             between
             them
             ,
             because
             I
             thought
             them
             both
             one
             .
             I
             had
             the
             honour
             to
             be
             entrusted
             by
             them
             before
             ,
             and
             upon
             that
             account
             I
             came
             voluntarily
             down
             hither
             .
             I
             rid
             my
             own
             Horse
             ▪
             I
             spent
             my
             own
             Money
             ,
             and
             eat
             my
             own
             Bread
             ;
             I
             was
             not
             beholding
             to
             any
             man
             for
             the
             value
             of
             six
             pence
             all
             the
             while
             I
             was
             here
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             ever
             since
             the
             Plot
             hath
             been
             discovered
             ,
             endeavoured
             with
             all
             my
             heart
             ,
             and
             all
             my
             power
             ,
             to
             detect
             and
             come
             at
             the
             very
             bottom
             of
             it
             :
             I
             have
             spared
             for
             no
             time
             nor
             pains
             ,
             what
             lay
             fairly
             in
             my
             way
             ,
             in
             every
             thing
             to
             encourage
             those
             that
             discovered
             the
             Villanies
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             against
             the
             life
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             for
             the
             subversion
             of
             the
             Religion
             and
             Government
             established
             by
             Law.
             Now
             certainly
             it
             is
             not
             strange
             to
             the
             world
             ;
             for
             I
             think
             all
             Christendom
             is
             aware
             how
             plain
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             hath
             been
             proved
             .
             These
             men
             that
             swear
             against
             me
             ,
             were
             they
             that
             used
             to
             follow
             me
             sometimes
             ;
             they
             would
             say
             ,
             It
             was
             they
             that
             had
             come
             to
             save
             our
             lives
             and
             yet
             we
             let
             them
             want
             Bread.
             That
             Argument
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             was
             so
             fair
             ,
             that
             I
             thought
             it
             unreasonable
             to
             see
             them
             starve
             :
             And
             I
             have
             said
             sometimes
             to
             some
             honest
             considerable
             men
             ,
             That
             it
             was
             hard
             they
             should
             have
             this
             to
             say
             of
             us
             ,
             That
             they
             should
             want
             Bread
             to
             eat
             that
             were
             the
             Kings
             Evidence
             ,
             to
             detect
             a
             Popish
             Plot
             wherein
             we
             our selves
             were
             concerned
             ;
             and
             that
             when
             they
             had
             saved
             our
             Bloud
             in
             our
             veins
             ,
             they
             should
             be
             suffered
             to
             starve
             .
             And
             one
             time
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             some
             three
             or
             four
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             City
             did
             give
             me
             42
             s.
             or
             40
             s.
             and
             18
             d.
             or
             thereabouts
             ;
             which
             I
             did
             distribute
             amongst
             them
             :
             and
             they
             never
             came
             to
             me
             in
             my
             life
             ,
             but
             to
             seek
             Relief
             ,
             they
             knowing
             that
             I
             had
             a
             general
             Acquaintance
             .
             And
             sometimes
             they
             thought
             it
             might
             be
             fit
             to
             petition
             the
             Common
             Council
             of
             the
             City
             of
             London
             to
             take
             care
             of
             them
             :
             Sometimes
             they
             would
             speak
             to
             me
             to
             speak
             to
             particular
             men
             that
             care
             should
             be
             taken
             of
             them
             .
             At
             other
             times
             indeed
             it
             was
             not
             this
             sort
             of
             discourse
             they
             had
             with
             me
             ;
             but
             they
             would
             pretend
             they
             had
             something
             to
             discover
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             and
             so
             they
             would
             apply
             to
             me
             as
             a
             man
             of
             some
             Acquaintance
             .
             And
             the
             first
             time
             I
             saw
             Haynes
             ,
             was
             upon
             such
             an
             account
             ,
             the
             beginning
             of
             March
             last
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             thus
             :
             I
             was
             at
             Richard's
             Coffee-house
             at
             Temple-bar
             ,
             where
             Macknamarra
             did
             desire
             me
             to
             go
             out
             ,
             and
             I
             should
             hear
             such
             a
             piece
             of
             Roguery
             I
             never
             did
             hear
             in
             my
             life
             ,
             against
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             .
             So
             I
             did
             go
             out
             with
             them
             ,
             and
             I
             called
             Captain
             Brown
             ,
             who
             is
             since
             dead
             ,
             to
             go
             with
             me
             ;
             and
             we
             went
             to
             the
             Hercules
             Pillars
             ,
             and
             Haynes
             there
             discovered
             what
             I
             told
             your
             Lordship
             before
             ,
             a
             designe
             to
             destroy
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             ;
             an
             Army
             that
             was
             to
             land
             in
             the
             North
             ,
             and
             another
             in
             Ireland
             ,
             and
             the
             Duke
             of
             York
             was
             to
             be
             at
             the
             head
             of
             them
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             after
             I
             had
             heard
             all
             out
             ,
             he
             did
             desire
             us
             all
             to
             conceal
             what
             he
             had
             said
             till
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             ,
             and
             then
             he
             would
             not
             onely
             discover
             this
             ,
             but
             much
             more
             .
             He
             at
             the
             same
             time
             told
             us
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             a
             designe
             of
             Fitzgerald's
             against
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             to
             take
             away
             his
             life
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             employed
             to
             come
             to
             his
             Cozen
             Macknamarra
             to
             get
             him
             over
             to
             joyn
             in
             the
             designe
             ,
             and
             he
             should
             never
             want
             for
             money
             ,
             if
             he
             would
             but
             come
             over
             and
             do
             as
             they
             would
             have
             him
             .
             After
             he
             had
             discovered
             himself
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             You
             are
             a
             stranger
             to
             me
             ;
             and
             I
             never
             saw
             him
             before
             in
             my
             days
             ;
             if
             he
             had
             seen
             me
             I
             can't
             tell
             :
             But
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             either
             this
             is
             true
             ,
             or
             this
             is
             false
             .
             If
             it
             be
             true
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             'T
             is
             all
             true
             ,
             and
             much
             more
             .
             So
             he
             up
             and
             told
             us
             much
             of
             Coleman
             ,
             and
             of
             the
             Reconciliation
             between
             the
             Duke
             of
             Ormond
             and
             the
             Duke
             of
             York
             ,
             and
             how
             he
             came
             to
             be
             Lord
             Lieutenant
             of
             Ireland
             ,
             and
             how
             Plunket
             came
             to
             be
             Primate
             ,
             and
             by
             means
             of
             whom
             ,
             and
             the
             Letters
             that
             passed
             ,
             and
             how
             so
             much
             a
             year
             was
             given
             to
             Plunket
             for
             carrying
             on
             the
             Correspondence
             ;
             and
             he
             told
             us
             so
             much
             ,
             that
             I
             did
             wonder
             to
             hear
             any
             man
             talk
             after
             that
             rate
             .
             After
             I
             had
             heard
             what
             he
             had
             to
             say
             ,
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             this
             is
             either
             true
             or
             false
             that
             you
             have
             said
             :
             if
             it
             be
             true
             ,
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             shall
             know
             it
             to
             night
             ;
             for
             I
             will
             not
             conceal
             such
             a
             thing
             concerning
             a
             Peer
             of
             the
             Realm
             :
             and
             if
             it
             were
             a
             colour
             ,
             he
             should
             know
             of
             it
             .
             And
             I
             did
             send
             him
             word
             that
             night
             ;
             and
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             you
             ought
             to
             go
             ,
             for
             your
             own
             security
             and
             ours
             too
             ,
             to
             swear
             it
             before
             a
             Magistrate
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             If
             I
             should
             ,
             I
             should
             be
             discovered
             .
             Said
             
               I
               ,
               I
            
             can't
             think
             you
             would
             be
             discovered
             ;
             if
             you
             swore
             it
             before
             Sir
             
               George
               Treby
            
             or
             Sir
             
               Robert
               Clayton
            
             ,
             they
             will
             not
             discover
             you
             .
             So
             he
             agreed
             he
             would
             swear
             before
             Sir
             
               George
               Treby
            
             ;
             and
             he
             did
             go
             accordingly
             :
             But
             he
             being
             out
             of
             Town
             ,
             I
             cannot
             have
             the
             Affidavit
             to
             produce
             it
             .
             There
             was
             a
             Letter
             sent
             last
             Saturday-night
             to
             Sir
             George
             to
             Bristol
             ,
             and
             I
             hoped
             he
             might
             have
             been
             here
             to
             day
             .
             This
             was
             the
             first
             Acquaintance
             I
             ever
             had
             with
             Haynes
             .
             The
             next
             time
             I
             heard
             of
             him
             ,
             was
             upon
             this
             occasion
             .
             Ivy
             comes
             to
             me
             in
             Richard's
             Coffee-house
             ,
             
             and
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             Yonder
             is
             the
             man
             that
             made
             that
             discovery
             ,
             which
             I
             told
             you
             before
             that
             Haynes
             had
             said
             to
             me
             ;
             it
             was
             about
             a
             month
             or
             three
             weeks
             before
             the
             Parliament
             was
             at
             Oxford
             .
             After
             the
             Parliament
             was
             dissolved
             at
             
               Oxford
               ,
               Ivy
            
             comes
             to
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             think
             it
             was
             betwixt
             the
             two
             Terms
             wherein
             Fitz-harris
             was
             arraigned
             and
             tried
             :
             I
             know
             not
             the
             names
             of
             them
             ;
             but
             he
             comes
             to
             me
             and
             tells
             me
             he
             had
             been
             with
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             ,
             and
             that
             there
             was
             a
             Friend
             of
             his
             that
             would
             confirm
             all
             that
             Fitz-harris
             had
             discovered
             concerning
             the
             Murder
             of
             Sir
             
               Edmundbury
               Godfrey
            
             ;
             and
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             My
             Lord
             of
             Shaftsbury
             hath
             sent
             me
             to
             you
             to
             acquaint
             you
             with
             it
             .
             Where
             is
             your
             Friend
             ,
             said
             I
             ?
             He
             is
             without
             ,
             said
             he
             .
             So
             we
             went
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             ;
             and
             when
             we
             came
             out
             of
             doors
             ,
             there
             was
             this
             Haynes
             :
             we
             went
             to
             the
             Crown-Tavern
             without
             Temple-bar
             ;
             it
             was
             in
             the
             Forenoon
             .
             When
             we
             came
             there
             into
             the
             Room
             ,
             he
             examined
             all
             the
             Corners
             ,
             and
             Cupboards
             ,
             and
             places
             about
             the
             Room
             ,
             to
             see
             that
             no
             body
             was
             there
             .
             When
             he
             thought
             all
             was
             secure
             ,
             he
             began
             to
             tell
             me
             he
             had
             been
             to
             acquaint
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             that
             there
             was
             a
             Friend
             of
             his
             that
             would
             discover
             the
             whole
             Intrigue
             of
             the
             Murder
             of
             Sir
             
               Edmundbury
               Godfrey
            
             ,
             all
             that
             Fitz-harris
             had
             said
             ,
             and
             much
             more
             :
             and
             he
             desired
             me
             that
             I
             would
             intreat
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             to
             be
             instrumental
             to
             get
             him
             his
             Pardon
             before
             he
             discover'd
             particularly
             .
             Then
             I
             told
             him
             ,
             I
             think
             't
             is
             convenient
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             that
             you
             discover
             something
             in
             Writing
             ,
             and
             give
             under
             your
             hand
             what
             you
             can
             say
             .
             He
             was
             not
             willing
             to
             do
             that
             .
             Can
             you
             believe
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             that
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftsbury
             will
             betray
             you
             ?
             Says
             he
             ,
             I
             will
             not
             trust
             any
             body
             ;
             I
             shall
             be
             assassinated
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             If
             you
             will
             not
             give
             it
             to
             any
             body
             else
             ,
             Will
             you
             give
             it
             to
             Mr.
             
               Michael
               Godfrey
            
             ,
             Sir
             Godfrey's
             Brother
             ?
             you
             can
             have
             no
             jealousie
             of
             him
             that
             he
             will
             ever
             discover
             you
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             If
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             will
             engage
             to
             get
             me
             a
             Pardon
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             the
             whole
             truth
             .
             Said
             
               I
               ,
               I
            
             will
             go
             to
             my
             Lord
             and
             acquaint
             him
             :
             So
             I
             went
             to
             both
             my
             Lord
             and
             Mr.
             Godfrey
             ;
             and
             Sir
             Godfrey's
             two
             Brothers
             both
             met
             me
             at
             my
             Lord
             of
             Shaftsbury's
             house
             .
             This
             is
             the
             thing
             that
             he
             tells
             me
             ;
             he
             would
             have
             me
             get
             my
             Lord's
             Protection
             and
             a
             Pardon
             for
             Treason
             :
             but
             the
             real
             truth
             is
             ,
             he
             sent
             me
             upon
             this
             Errand
             .
             So
             I
             came
             to
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             ,
             and
             the
             two
             Mr.
             Godfreys
             were
             in
             the
             Room
             ;
             and
             after
             I
             had
             told
             my
             Lord
             what
             discourse
             I
             had
             with
             him
             ,
             says
             my
             Lord
             ,
             Colledge
             ,
             These
             Irish-men
             have
             confounded
             all
             our
             business
             ;
             and
             thou
             and
             I
             must
             have
             a
             care
             they
             do
             not
             put
             a
             trick
             upon
             us
             :
             This
             may
             be
             a
             trick
             of
             the
             Papists
             to
             ruine
             us
             ;
             and
             if
             they
             have
             such
             a
             designe
             ,
             if
             they
             will
             not
             put
             it
             upon
             you
             and
             I
             ,
             they
             are
             fools
             .
             Upon
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             they
             may
             ;
             but
             I
             am
             a
             poor
             inconsiderable
             fellow
             .
             Says
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             'll
             tell
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Godfrey
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             hath
             not
             onely
             been
             an
             honest
             man
             ,
             but
             an
             useful
             and
             an
             active
             man
             for
             the
             Protestant
             interest
             .
             So
             I
             told
             my
             Lord
             how
             far
             I
             had
             gone
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             desired
             it
             might
             be
             put
             in
             Writing
             .
             Says
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             ,
             If
             he
             will
             put
             it
             in
             Writing
             ,
             I
             will
             go
             once
             again
             ;
             for
             I
             have
             been
             since
             I
             saw
             the
             Fellow
             ,
             with
             my
             Lord
             Macclesfield
             ,
             and
             my
             Lord
             Chief
             Justice
             Pemberton
             ,
             and
             my
             Lord
             Chancellor
             ,
             and
             I
             have
             told
             them
             that
             there
             is
             such
             a
             person
             in
             general
             ,
             but
             I
             knew
             not
             the
             man
             ;
             as
             indeed
             my
             Lord
             did
             not
             ,
             for
             onely
             Ivy
             was
             the
             person
             between
             them
             that
             my
             Lord
             knew
             :
             And
             I
             told
             them
             ,
             says
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             he
             can
             confirm
             all
             that
             Fitz-harris
             has
             said
             concerning
             the
             death
             of
             Sir
             
               Edmundbury
               Godfrey
            
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             would
             prove
             my
             Lord
             of
             Danby
             was
             in
             it
             ,
             if
             he
             might
             have
             his
             Pardon
             ;
             and
             my
             Lord
             said
             ,
             They
             promised
             to
             speak
             to
             his
             Majesty
             that
             it
             might
             be
             granted
             .
             But
             some
             time
             the
             latter
             end
             of
             the
             week
             I
             heard
             it
             would
             not
             be
             granted
             ;
             and
             both
             of
             these
             men
             followed
             me
             to
             know
             what
             they
             should
             do
             .
             Said
             I
             ,
             My
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             knows
             not
             but
             that
             it
             may
             be
             a
             Trick
             ;
             and
             said
             I
             to
             
               Ivy
               ,
               I
            
             wonder
             why
             he
             should
             conceal
             it
             all
             this
             while
             ,
             being
             a
             necessitous
             man
             ,
             and
             500
             l.
             proffered
             by
             the
             King
             in
             his
             Proclamation
             .
             Why
             ,
             says
             Ivy
             ,
             do
             you
             think
             there
             is
             no
             truth
             in
             it
             ?
             says
             I
             ,
             'T
             is
             not
             my
             Judgment
             ,
             but
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             and
             Mr.
             Godfrey's
             Judgment
             too
             .
             He
             answered
             me
             again
             ,
             Fitz-harris
             hath
             desired
             he
             may
             have
             a
             Pardon
             granted
             for
             himself
             and
             a
             Frenchman
             ;
             and
             if
             so
             be
             there
             were
             nothing
             in
             it
             ,
             Do
             you
             think
             he
             would
             move
             for
             a
             Pardon
             ?
             Says
             I
             ,
             Did
             Mr.
             Fitz-harris
             move
             for
             Haynes
             Pardon
             ?
             How
             do
             I
             know
             
             that
             ,
             says
             Ivy
             again
             :
             Fitz-harris's
             Wife
             told
             me
             so
             .
             Says
             I
             ,
             Let
             me
             speak
             with
             Fitz-harris's
             Wife
             ,
             let
             me
             hear
             her
             say
             so
             ,
             and
             I
             will
             believe
             you
             .
             The
             next
             day
             he
             did
             bring
             her
             to
             me
             to
             my
             house
             :
             And
             this
             was
             the
             time
             and
             the
             occasion
             that
             brought
             Fitz-harris's
             Wife
             ,
             and
             Haynes
             ,
             and
             Ivy
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Fitz-harris's
             Maid
             to
             my
             house
             ;
             and
             I
             never
             saw
             Fitz-harris
             in
             my
             days
             ,
             till
             his
             Trial
             ,
             nor
             had
             any
             Communication
             with
             him
             .
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             she
             did
             talk
             with
             Haynes
             ,
             and
             confirmed
             it
             to
             me
             ,
             That
             her
             Husband
             had
             desired
             a
             Pardon
             for
             him
             :
             Why
             then
             ,
             said
             I
             ,
             he
             would
             do
             well
             to
             discover
             what
             he
             knows
             to
             my
             Lord
             Shaftsbury
             ;
             for
             I
             was
             with
             my
             Lord
             ,
             and
             he
             says
             he
             will
             meddle
             no
             more
             ,
             unless
             he
             will
             give
             it
             under
             his
             hand
             what
             he
             has
             to
             say
             .
             And
             he
             did
             confess
             to
             me
             in
             my
             own
             Yard
             ,
             for
             there
             we
             were
             together
             ,
             That
             he
             saw
             my
             Lord
             of
             Danby
             come
             into
             the
             Chappel
             at
             Sommerset-House
             ,
             when
             the
             Body
             of
             Sir
             
               Edmundbury
               Godfrey
            
             lay
             under
             the
             Altar
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Here
             hath
             been
             nothing
             of
             this
             made
             appear
             by
             proof
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             onely
             tell
             you
             which
             way
             they
             introduced
             themselves
             into
             my
             Acquaintance
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             may
             observe
             what
             you
             will
             upon
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             as
             we
             told
             you
             ;
             but
             you
             ramble
             from
             the
             matter
             you
             are
             to
             speak
             to
             .
             And
             as
             we
             told
             Mr.
             Attorney
             ,
             that
             what
             he
             said
             should
             go
             for
             nothing
             ,
             unless
             he
             made
             it
             out
             by
             proof
             ;
             so
             must
             we
             say
             to
             you
             ,
             what
             you
             say
             goes
             for
             nothing
             ,
             further
             than
             you
             have
             proved
             it
             .
             Now
             you
             have
             quitted
             the
             Proof
             quite
             ▪
             and
             not
             spoke
             to
             that
             ,
             but
             run
             into
             other
             stories
             .
             I
             would
             have
             you
             keep
             your self
             to
             your
             Proofs
             ,
             and
             make
             your
             Observations
             upon
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             ,
             as
             I
             humbly
             conceive
             it
             ,
             to
             my
             purpose
             ,
             but
             I
             hope
             my
             ignorance
             may
             excuse
             me
             ,
             if
             I
             erre
             .
             I
             tell
             you
             the
             truth
             of
             things
             ,
             thus
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             Truth
             !
             Why
             if
             yours
             or
             any
             man's
             word
             in
             your
             case
             should
             go
             for
             truth
             ,
             no
             man
             that
             stands
             at
             a
             Bar
             ,
             could
             be
             convicted
             :
             for
             every
             man
             will
             say
             he
             is
             an
             honest
             man
             ,
             and
             all
             the
             plausible
             things
             in
             the
             world
             .
             Make
             you
             your
             Observations
             upon
             the
             Proof
             ,
             that
             is
             proper
             for
             you
             to
             do
             ;
             and
             urge
             it
             as
             well
             as
             you
             can
             ,
             and
             to
             the
             best
             purpose
             you
             can
             :
             but
             to
             tell
             us
             long
             stories
             of
             passages
             between
             you
             and
             others
             that
             are
             not
             a
             whit
             proved
             ,
             that
             is
             not
             usual
             ,
             nor
             pertinent
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             thought
             it
             had
             been
             to
             the
             point
             ,
             when
             this
             man
             pretends
             to
             have
             a
             familiarity
             with
             me
             ,
             to
             shew
             how
             his
             Acquaintance
             begun
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Why
             do
             you
             think
             't
             is
             an
             Answer
             to
             him
             in
             what
             he
             proves
             upon
             his
             Oath
             ?
             Have
             you
             proved
             one
             jot
             of
             it
             ?
             not
             that
             I
             have
             heard
             .
             'T
             is
             your
             part
             to
             sum
             up
             the
             Evidence
             on
             your
             own
             side
             ,
             and
             to
             answer
             that
             which
             is
             proved
             upon
             you
             ,
             if
             you
             can
             .
             Do
             that
             ,
             and
             we
             will
             hear
             you
             speak
             to
             it
             as
             long
             as
             you
             can
             .
             But
             to
             tell
             stories
             to
             amuse
             the
             Jury
             with
             that
             are
             not
             proved
             ,
             and
             to
             run
             out
             into
             rambling
             discourses
             to
             no
             purpose
             ,
             that
             is
             not
             to
             be
             allowed
             ,
             nor
             never
             was
             ,
             in
             any
             Court
             of
             Justice
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Raymond
             .
          
           
             Not
             one
             of
             your
             Witnesses
             have
             mentioned
             any
             thing
             that
             you
             say
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             I
             wonder
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             you
             should
             forget
             your self
             so
             much
             ▪
             for
             you
             found
             fault
             with
             Mr.
             Attorney
             at
             the
             beginning
             for
             opening
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             you
             were
             told
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             were
             told
             at
             your
             request
             ,
             that
             what
             he
             said
             ,
             and
             did
             not
             prove
             ,
             passed
             for
             nothing
             .
             But
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             't
             is
             much
             worse
             in
             your
             case
             :
             for
             Mr.
             Attorney
             onely
             opened
             what
             he
             might
             prove
             afterwards
             ,
             but
             your
             Observations
             are
             upon
             what
             hath
             been
             proved
             already
             ;
             and
             yet
             you
             run
             out
             into
             stories
             of
             what
             hath
             not
             been
             proved
             at
             all
             ,
             after
             your
             Proof
             is
             past
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             I
             could
             not
             prove
             this
             otherwise
             than
             by
             Ivy
             ,
             who
             hath
             been
             sworn
             against
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Would
             you
             have
             the
             Jury
             to
             believe
             you
             upon
             your
             word
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             no
             more
             than
             his
             Oath
             against
             me
             ;
             and
             why
             my
             Oath
             ,
             being
             an
             English-man
             and
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             should
             not
             be
             taken
             as
             well
             as
             his
             that
             is
             an
             Irish-man
             and
             hath
             been
             a
             Papist
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             You
             go
             upon
             that
             ground
             that
             your
             word
             is
             to
             be
             taken
             ,
             as
             appears
             by
             
             your
             defence
             ;
             but
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             all
             the
             course
             of
             Justice
             were
             destroyed
             ,
             and
             no
             Justice
             against
             Malefactors
             were
             to
             be
             had
             ,
             if
             the
             word
             of
             him
             that
             is
             accused
             should
             pass
             for
             proof
             to
             acquit
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             given
             your
             Lordship
             an
             account
             of
             these
             fellows
             Conversations
             ;
             and
             what
             other
             Proofs
             to
             make
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             :
             for
             I
             knew
             not
             what
             they
             would
             swear
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             not
             Witnesses
             in
             my
             Pocket
             to
             confront
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             Levins
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             the
             Jury
             have
             heard
             it
             over
             and
             over
             again
             ,
             first
             upon
             your
             request
             ,
             that
             nothing
             is
             to
             be
             taken
             notice
             of
             that
             is
             not
             proved
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             then
             as
             to
             Haynes
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             do
             observe
             that
             there
             was
             a
             Witness
             for
             me
             that
             did
             prove
             ,
             he
             owned
             he
             was
             one
             that
             was
             employed
             to
             make
             a
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             and
             another
             that
             did
             hear
             him
             Swear
             ,
             dam
             him
             ,
             he
             would
             Swear
             any
             thing
             against
             any
             body
             for
             Money
             ,
             for
             it
             was
             his
             Trade
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             Now
             you
             are
             right
             ;
             speak
             as
             much
             as
             you
             will
             as
             to
             your
             proofs
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             think
             Turbervile
             and
             Dugdale
             Swear
             as
             to
             the
             tenth
             of
             March
             in
             Oxon
             ;
             I
             desire
             it
             may
             be
             proved
             I
             was
             in
             Oxford
             the
             tenth
             of
             March.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             yourself
             came
             down
             the
             middle
             of
             March.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             that
             they
             said
             the
             tenth
             of
             March.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             not
             the
             Indictment
             say
             so
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             It
             is
             only
             in
             the
             Indictment
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             As
             to
             the
             time
             mentioned
             in
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             it
             is
             not
             material
             ;
             that
             is
             the
             constant
             rule
             in
             Tryals
             upon
             Indictments
             ;
             as
             if
             an
             Horse
             be
             laid
             to
             be
             stole
             the
             tenth
             ,
             if
             it
             be
             proved
             the
             prisoner
             stole
             it
             at
             another
             day
             ,
             it
             will
             be
             sufficient
             ,
             the
             time
             is
             not
             material
             ;
             the
             question
             is
             whether
             the
             Indictment
             be
             true
             in
             substance
             .
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             my
             Brothers
             will
             all
             tell
             you
             that
             the
             Law
             is
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             Though
             it
             is
             laid
             the
             tenth
             of
             March
             ,
             yet
             if
             it
             be
             proved
             the
             first
             or
             twentieth
             before
             or
             after
             ,
             it
             is
             all
             one
             ;
             so
             the
             thing
             be
             proved
             ,
             they
             are
             not
             bound
             to
             a
             day
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             the
             punctilio's
             of
             Law
             I
             know
             not
             ,
             but
             it
             was
             the
             twenty
             fourth
             or
             twenty
             fifth
             er'e
             I
             came
             down
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             Well
             ,
             go
             on
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Dugdale
             says
             I
             meant
             by
             the
             word
             Rowley
             ,
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             He
             does
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             How
             does
             he
             come
             to
             know
             ,
             that
             by
             that
             word
             I
             meant
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             C.
             J.
             
          
           
             That
             we
             did
             ask
             him
             ,
             and
             he
             says
             you
             used
             so
             to
             expound
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Why
             look
             you
             ,
             he
             said
             you
             and
             he
             used
             to
             have
             frequent
             Communication
             concerning
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             you
             did
             most
             frequently
             speak
             of
             the
             King
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Rowley
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             I
             say
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             never
             spake
             of
             the
             King
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Rowley
             in
             my
             life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             say
             it
             ,
             and
             he
             Swears
             the
             contrary
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             don't
             remember
             that
             he
             says
             I
             declared
             it
             so
             ,
             but
             he
             said
             ,
             I
             meant
             it
             ;
             for
             if
             I
             had
             declared
             it
             ,
             then
             it
             had
             been
             the
             same
             thing
             for
             me
             to
             have
             named
             the
             King
             downright
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             as
             to
             that
             ,
             when
             any
             Witness
             had
             done
             his
             Evidence
             ,
             you
             had
             liberty
             to
             cross
             examine
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             Would
             you
             have
             him
             called
             up
             again
             to
             clear
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             if
             you
             please
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             Stand
             up
             
               Mr.
               Dugdale
            
             .
             I
             understood
             by
             you
             Testimony
             ,
             when
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             and
             you
             discoursed
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             you
             sometimes
             discoursed
             of
             him
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Rowley
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             explained
             that
             name
             to
             be
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             The
             first
             time
             I
             ever
             heard
             what
             Rowley
             meant
             ,
             was
             from
             him
             ▪
             for
             I
             asked
             him
             what
             he
             meant
             by
             the
             name
             of
             Rowley
             ;
             I
             heard
             it
             before
             ,
             but
             I
             did
             not
             understand
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Where
             was
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             At
             Richards
             Coffee-house
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             was
             the
             answer
             he
             made
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             it
             was
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Upon
             what
             occasion
             did
             I
             explain
             it
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Upon
             the
             account
             of
             the
             Pictures
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             know
             not
             which
             of
             the
             Pictures
             has
             the
             name
             of
             Rowley
             in
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             when
             we
             were
             talking
             of
             one
             of
             the
             Pictures
             you
             brought
             in
             Rowley
             ,
             and
             Mack
             and
             Mac
             was
             the
             Duke
             of
             York
             ,
             and
             Rowley
             was
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Upon
             what
             Picture
             was
             it
             ,
             that
             I
             took
             occasion
             to
             explain
             the
             name
             Rowley
             to
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             not
             certain
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Remember
             you
             have
             an
             account
             to
             give
             as
             well
             as
             I.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             so
             many
             Pictures
             that
             I
             can't
             remember
             them
             ;
             you
             have
             shewed
             me
             more
             than
             have
             been
             produced
             in
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Where
             had
             you
             that
             Picture
             from
             me
             that
             they
             call
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Truly
             I
             received
             of
             them
             twice
             at
             Richards
             Coffee-house
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Twice
             ,
             do
             you
             say
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             two
             of
             them
             at
             two
             several
             times
             ;
             for
             you
             having
             promised
             me
             one
             ,
             you
             brought
             it
             according
             to
             your
             word
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             When
             was
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
          
           
             I
             did
             not
             keep
             an
             account
             of
             the
             day
             of
             the
             Month
             ;
             and
             another
             I
             do
             remember
             at
             the
             
               Green
               Dragon
            
             Tavern
             you
             thrust
             into
             my
             pocket
             ▪
             and
             
               Mr.
               Baldwin
            
             was
             by
             at
             that
             time
             .
             And
             said
             he
             ,
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             You
             will
             be
             so
             open
             ,
             that
             you
             will
             come
             to
             be
             discovered
             at
             last
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             will
             I
             be
             willing
             to
             dye
             for
             it
             ,
             if
             he
             and
             I
             and
             
               Mr.
               Baldwin
            
             were
             at
             the
             
               Green
               Dragon
            
             Tavern
             together
             .
             When
             was
             it
             that
             I
             gave
             you
             any
             Pictures
             there
             ?
             was
             it
             since
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxon
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             Do
             I
             charge
             you
             since
             the
             Parliament
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             before
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Oxford
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             not
             say
             it
             was
             that
             ;
             you
             gave
             me
             one
             of
             the
             others
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             strange
             you
             will
             stick
             to
             nothing
             ;
             When
             was
             it
             we
             were
             at
             the
             
               Green
               Dragon
            
             Tavern
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             We
             were
             there
             before
             the
             Parliament
             sat
             at
             Oxon
             ;
             it
             was
             since
             Christmass
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Picture
             was
             it
             I
             gave
             you
             there
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             It
             may
             be
             I
             can't
             remember
             which
             of
             them
             it
             was
             ,
             it
             was
             not
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             ;
             I
             suppose
             you
             gave
             me
             one
             of
             them
             concerning
             the
             Bishops
             ,
             where
             you
             put
             Bishop
             Mew
             kissing
             the
             Popes
             Toe
             ;
             for
             it
             was
             a
             Bishop
             with
             a
             patch
             on
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             told
             me
             was
             Bishop
             Mew
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             put
             it
             ,
             did
             I
             make
             it
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             .
          
           
             You
             said
             you
             were
             the
             Author
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             Will
             you
             consider
             upon
             what
             
               Mr.
               Dugdale
            
             was
             called
             up
             about
             ,
             the
             Exposition
             of
             the
             Name
             Rowley
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             examine
             him
             ,
             and
             he
             hath
             contradicted
             himself
             ;
             for
             he
             hath
             said
             at
             the
             
               Green
               Dragon
            
             Tavern
             I
             gave
             him
             a
             Picture
             of
             
               Raree
               Shew
            
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             no
             such
             thing
             ,
             he
             said
             he
             did
             not
             know
             which
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             certain
             he
             meant
             that
             then
             when
             he
             spake
             it
             ;
             for
             he
             named
             it
             before
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             two
             from
             me
             at
             Richards
             Coffee-house
             ,
             and
             one
             I
             thrust
             into
             his
             pocket
             at
             the
             Tavern
             ;
             and
             I
             say
             ,
             I
             never
             was
             at
             the
             
               Green
               Dragon
            
             Tavern
             with
             
               Mr.
               Dugdale
            
             and
             
               Mr.
               Baldwyn
            
             ,
             nor
             in
             the
             Tavern
             these
             three
             quarters
             of
             a
             year
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levins
             .
          
           
             
               Mr.
               Colledge
            
             ,
             you
             were
             in
             the
             right
             way
             just
             now
             to
             manage
             your
             Evidence
             ,
             in
             opposition
             to
             the
             other
             Evidence
             ;
             go
             on
             in
             that
             way
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             don't
             know
             well
             what
             was
             said
             ,
             for
             I
             could
             not
             hear
             half
             ,
             nor
             write
             a
             quarter
             of
             it
             ;
             but
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             hope
             your
             Lordship
             hath
             taken
             Notes
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             will
             remember
             it
             for
             me
             .
             You
             are
             my
             Counsel
             as
             well
             as
             my
             Judges
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.C.J.
             
          
           
             In
             matter
             of
             Fact
             we
             are
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Life
             and
             your
             Souls
             lye
             at
             stake
             to
             do
             me
             Justice
             ;
             therefore
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             take
             notice
             of
             what
             I
             have
             not
             had
             the
             opportunity
             to
             write
             down
             .
             I
             have
             observed
             that
             every
             one
             of
             my
             Witnesses
             have
             spoken
             materially
             to
             contradict
             what
             they
             have
             said
             ,
             to
             prove
             that
             this
             was
             done
             for
             Money
             ,
             and
             that
             there
             hath
             been
             Confessions
             from
             every
             man
             of
             them
             ;
             that
             they
             were
             hired
             to
             do
             it
             ;
             that
             they
             did
             it
             for
             a
             Livelyhood
             ;
             and
             one
             of
             them
             said
             ,
             It
             was
             a
             good
             Trade
             ,
             dam
             him
             ,
             he
             would
             do
             any
             thing
             for
             Money
             :
             And
             I
             hope
             then
             you
             will
             consider
             the
             improbability
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             speak
             to
             an
             Irish
             man
             who
             I
             had
             never
             seen
             before
             in
             my
             life
             ;
             and
             that
             I
             should
             at
             the
             first
             dash
             utter
             all
             that
             Treason
             that
             he
             gives
             in
             Evidence
             ,
             I
             think
             it
             cannot
             consist
             with
             any
             man's
             understanding
             to
             believe
             me
             so
             mad
             or
             so
             weak
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Justice
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             That
             is
             as
             to
             Haynes
             only
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             Smith
             now
             I
             suppose
             it
             does
             not
             come
             within
             the
             reach
             of
             the
             Statute
             ;
             for
             the
             Dinner
             that
             was
             made
             by
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             ,
             was
             made
             before
             last
             July
             was
             twelve-month
             ;
             all
             the
             Witnesses
             do
             say
             it
             was
             before
             Christmas
             ,
             and
             Dr.
             Oates
             says
             it
             was
             in
             the
             Summer
             ;
             I
             know
             it
             by
             a
             very
             good
             observation
             ,
             because
             I
             went
             to
             Astrop
             Waters
             after
             that
             ,
             and
             I
             saw
             Sir
             
               Creswell
               Levinz
            
             at
             the
             Wells
             :
             Now
             Sir
             you
             were
             there
             before
             this
             time
             twelvemonth
             .
             So
             then
             whatever
             he
             says
             I
             said
             to
             him
             there
             ,
             I
             cannot
             be
             charged
             withal
             by
             the
             Statute
             ,
             more
             or
             less
             ,
             if
             I
             had
             never
             a
             Witness
             against
             him
             ;
             but
             I
             have
             Witnesses
             that
             have
             contradicted
             him
             sufficiently
             that
             he
             is
             forsworn
             in
             that
             ;
             and
             if
             so
             ,
             he
             is
             not
             to
             be
             believed
             in
             any
             thing
             else
             ;
             for
             he
             says
             ,
             he
             and
             I
             went
             to
             the
             Coffee-house
             together
             ,
             and
             we
             discoursed
             such
             and
             such
             things
             ,
             which
             is
             not
             above
             half
             a
             Bows
             shoot
             ,
             and
             he
             made
             it
             I
             say
             a
             quarter
             of
             a
             miles
             discourse
             ;
             if
             I
             had
             had
             all
             the
             talk
             ,
             the
             discourse
             could
             not
             be
             so
             long
             ,
             tho'
             he
             had
             said
             never
             a
             word
             :
             So
             you
             see
             what
             a
             kind
             of
             Witness
             he
             is
             .
             And
             Dr.
             Oates's
             Brother
             did
             say
             ,
             That
             I
             did
             go
             along
             with
             Dr.
             Oates
             ,
             and
             offered
             to
             be
             one
             of
             his
             Guard
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             say
             so
             ,
             and
             went
             along
             with
             them
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             Smith
             he
             came
             after
             .
             And
             as
             to
             what
             he
             says
             he
             is
             sufficiently
             confuted
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             about
             the
             going
             into
             Cabals
             after
             Dinner
             ;
             for
             it
             is
             proved
             ,
             That
             I
             fell
             asleep
             behind
             the
             Table
             ,
             and
             Dr.
             Oates
             was
             discoursing
             with
             Mr.
             Savage
             upon
             points
             of
             Divinity
             ;
             but
             I
             took
             no
             notice
             of
             it
             ,
             neither
             did
             I
             see
             Smith
             any
             more
             ,
             but
             he
             went
             away
             ,
             and
             so
             did
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             Company
             .
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             when
             Haynes
             was
             taken
             ,
             Smith
             comes
             to
             me
             that
             day
             to
             my
             House
             at
             the
             Ditch-side
             ,
             and
             sends
             in
             a
             man
             for
             me
             ,
             his
             man
             ;
             I
             was
             writing
             in
             my
             Parlour
             ,
             and
             drawing
             the
             Design
             for
             Wainscotting
             Alhallows
             Church
             ,
             a
             Platform
             for
             it
             ;
             his
             man
             told
             me
             ,
             His
             Master
             would
             speak
             with
             me
             ,
             and
             Haynes
             was
             taken
             that
             morning
             :
             But
             as
             I
             understand
             since
             ,
             it
             was
             by
             agreement
             and
             his
             own
             consent
             ,
             tho'
             he
             hath
             pretended
             otherwise
             .
             You
             hear
             ,
             says
             he
             ,
             Haynes
             is
             taken
             ?
             Yes
             ,
             says
             I
             ,
             I
             do
             ,
             he
             hath
             been
             ever
             since
             9
             a
             Clock
             before
             the
             Secretary
             upon
             Examination
             ,
             and
             he
             was
             till
             5
             a
             Clock
             at
             night
             examining
             ,
             said
             he
             :
             I
             believe
             he
             confesses
             a
             great
             deal
             ,
             said
             I
             :
             Of
             what
             ,
             said
             he
             ?
             Of
             some
             design
             of
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             said
             I
             :
             What
             ,
             against
             the
             Government
             ?
             I
             do
             not
             know
             what
             they
             may
             affright
             him
             into
             ;
             he
             is
             a
             great
             Rogue
             if
             it
             be
             true
             all
             that
             he
             hath
             said
             of
             himself
             :
             He
             says
             ,
             He
             was
             concerned
             in
             the
             Fire
             of
             London
             ,
             and
             knew
             of
             a
             Design
             to
             destroy
             the
             Protestants
             then
             ;
             of
             a
             Rebellion
             that
             was
             to
             be
             in
             Ireland
             ;
             of
             Plunket's
             being
             made
             Primate
             ,
             and
             a
             great
             many
             of
             those
             things
             :
             So
             that
             if
             he
             speaks
             truth
             ,
             he
             hath
             been
             a
             great
             Rogue
             ,
             and
             as
             he
             hath
             pretended
             also
             ,
             he
             was
             a
             great
             Coward
             .
             So
             then
             I
             believe
             he
             may
             say
             any
             thing
             to
             excuse
             himself
             ;
             says
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             I
             wish
             you
             are
             safe
             :
             This
             was
             the
             very
             night
             before
             I
             was
             taken
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             proved
             any
             thing
             of
             this
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             Pray
             give
             me
             leave
             to
             tell
             you
             what
             is
             proof
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             are
             not
             to
             repeat
             this
             ,
             unless
             you
             prove
             it
             ,
             Sir.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             spake
             cautiously
             to
             me
             ,
             as
             if
             he
             would
             have
             intimated
             to
             me
             ,
             he
             would
             have
             had
             me
             run
             away
             .
             Said
             he
             ,
             I
             believe
             you
             are
             not
             safe
             ,
             I
             would
             have
             you
             take
             care
             of
             your self
             ,
             for
             you
             were
             concerned
             with
             him
             .
             Now
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             if
             I
             had
             been
             a
             guilty
             person
             ,
             I
             had
             time
             enough
             to
             get
             away
             ;
             and
             to
             prove
             this
             ,
             I
             can
             only
             say
             ,
             this
             was
             betwixt
             him
             and
             I.
             But
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             you
             hear
             Dr.
             Oates
             says
             ,
             that
             this
             very
             Smith
             did
             swear
             he
             would
             have
             my
             Bloud
             ,
             and
             that
             was
             upon
             this
             occasion
             of
             my
             vindicating
             Sampson
             ,
             whom
             he
             had
             struck
             and
             abused
             ;
             and
             I
             asked
             ,
             Why
             he
             did
             it
             ?
             Said
             he
             ,
             I
             value
             no
             man's
             Life
             ,
             if
             he
             affront
             me
             ,
             if
             't
             is
             any
             man
             in
             England
             ,
             I
             value
             him
             not
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             upon
             this
             occasision
             the
             words
             rise
             between
             us
             ;
             and
             when
             he
             came
             out
             of
             doors
             ,
             and
             was
             going
             away
             ,
             Dr.
             Oates
             said
             ,
             He
             swore
             he
             would
             have
             my
             Bloud
             ,
             and
             that
             was
             the
             occasion
             of
             his
             speaking
             that
             Blasphemy
             .
          
        
         
           
             Lord
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             did
             say
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             Well
             you
             are
             right
             now
             if
             you
             will
             go
             on
             in
             that
             way
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             This
             is
             for
             Smith
             and
             Haynes
             ,
             that
             Haynes
             should
             say
             it
             was
             a
             good
             trade
             ,
             and
             dam
             him
             ,
             he
             would
             swear
             any
             thing
             for
             money
             ,
             and
             that
             Smith
             should
             swear
             dam
             him
             he
             would
             have
             my
             blood
             .
             I
             cannot
             sum
             up
             the
             rest
             of
             them
             for
             I
             have
             not
             them
             here
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             Turbervile
             ,
             and
             Dugdale
             ,
             and
             Smith
             ;
             we
             will
             help
             you
             as
             to
             the
             persons
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             Pray
             keep
             to
             the
             business
             ,
             and
             do
             not
             run
             out
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             one
             thing
             to
             say
             about
             Smith
             ;
             he
             sayes
             I
             shewd
             him
             my
             Arms
             ,
             which
             I
             have
             had
             for
             any
             time
             almost
             these
             3
             years
             ,
             ever
             since
             the
             Plot
             brake
             out
             .
             I
             have
             been
             Armed
             ready
             to
             oppose
             the
             Papists
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             my
             duty
             in
             the
             City
             in
             person
             in
             the
             Trained
             bands
             ,
             but
             Smith
             says
             these
             Arms
             were
             to
             destroy
             the
             Kings
             Guards
             ,
             but
             he
             does
             not
             prove
             that
             I
             was
             Confederate
             with
             any
             other
             person
             ,
             but
             instead
             of
             that
             there
             were
             other
             persons
             that
             say
             with
             his
             own
             mouth
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             not
             believe
             there
             was
             any
             Protestant
             Plot
             ;
             nay
             ,
             he
             did
             believe
             I
             said
             it
             only
             in
             wantonness
             .
             This
             is
             all
             ,
             then
             how
             probable
             was
             it
             ,
             that
             I
             my self
             should
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             destroy
             his
             Guards
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             You
             remember
             Captain
             Brown
             ,
             Captain
             Chuton
             ,
             and
             Don
             Lewes
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             he
             swear
             they
             were
             all
             in
             my
             company
             at
             Oxon
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             Dugdale
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             Captain
             Brown
             and
             Lewes
             were
             friends
             to
             my
             Lord
             Howard
             ,
             with
             whom
             and
             other
             Company
             I
             came
             down
             to
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             they
             lay
             with
             me
             at
             the
             Chequer
             ,
             and
             they
             were
             in
             my
             Company
             because
             they
             were
             Guests
             in
             the
             House
             ,
             and
             we
             came
             along
             together
             ,
             but
             he
             does
             not
             say
             they
             were
             either
             of
             them
             Armed
             more
             than
             my self
             ,
             nor
             was
             he
             ever
             in
             company
             with
             us
             ,
             how
             then
             does
             he
             know
             we
             were
             in
             a
             Conspiracy
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Because
             you
             told
             him
             at
             London
             first
             that
             they
             were
             such
             persons
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             never
             saw
             Lewes
             in
             may
             days
             till
             I
             saw
             him
             that
             morning
             I
             came
             down
             from
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             Brown
             I
             was
             not
             acquainted
             with
             a
             fortnight
             before
             .
             This
             is
             a
             truth
             ,
             but
             however
             they
             have
             sworn
             a
             Plot
             upon
             me
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             then
             come
             and
             prove
             I
             declared
             these
             were
             the
             men
             ,
             and
             spoke
             such
             and
             such
             words
             at
             London
             ;
             I
             desire
             your
             Lordships
             Judgment
             in
             this
             matter
             of
             Law
             ,
             whether
             what
             be
             done
             at
             London
             can
             be
             sufficient
             matter
             of
             proof
             in
             Law
             to
             maintain
             an
             Indictment
             against
             me
             at
             Oxon
             ?
             And
             if
             not
             ;
             they
             do
             not
             prove
             legally
             that
             I
             have
             spoken
             such
             words
             .
             Besides
             I
             conceive
             't
             is
             not
             a
             good
             proof
             ,
             because
             there
             is
             but
             one
             Witness
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             look
             you
             ,
             there
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             ,
             Dugdale
             and
             Turbervile
             ,
             as
             to
             what
             you
             said
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             two
             Witnesses
             as
             to
             what
             you
             said
             at
             
               London
               ,
               Haynes
            
             and
             Smith
             ,
             who
             testifie
             what
             you
             said
             you
             would
             do
             at
             Oxon.
             Now
             in
             case
             you
             came
             to
             Oxon
             with
             any
             such
             intention
             ,
             that
             coming
             to
             Oxford
             is
             an
             overt-Act
             ,
             and
             the
             witnesses
             that
             speak
             what
             you
             said
             in
             London
             ,
             is
             Evidence
             to
             maintain
             the
             Indictment
             here
             ,
             and
             to
             prove
             what
             your
             intention
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Does
             that
             become
             an
             overt-Act
             if
             I
             go
             to
             Oxon
             upon
             an
             honest
             occasion
             ,
             any
             other
             occasion
             ,
             tho'
             I
             had
             said
             those
             words
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             If
             you
             came
             with
             that
             intent
             to
             joyn
             with
             others
             ,
             and
             with
             a
             real
             purpose
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             Overt-Act
             ,
             and
             the
             words
             before
             prove
             the
             intention
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             He
             declared
             it
             himself
             by
             his
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Smith
             says
             that
             about
             a
             week
             after
             Wilcox's
             dinner
             ,
             I
             disoursed
             with
             him
             at
             the
             Ditch
             side
             ,
             that
             comes
             not
             within
             the
             compass
             of
             the
             Statutes
             .
             Then
             there
             is
             twice
             of
             the
             3
             times
             he
             speaks
             of
             ,
             the
             last
             day
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             when
             it
             was
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             All
             was
             in
             London
             that
             Smith
             speaks
             of
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             How
             comes
             that
             to
             be
             proof
             here
             ,
             then
             nothing
             he
             says
             is
             to
             go
             for
             any
             thing
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Nothing
             will
             serve
             your
             turn
             ;
             we
             have
             declared
             our
             Opinions
             once
             already
             ,
             that
             if
             the
             Witnesses
             swear
             true
             ,
             here
             are
             two
             witnesses
             ;
             nay
             ,
             if
             one
             were
             of
             what
             was
             done
             at
             London
             ,
             and
             the
             other
             of
             what
             was
             done
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             if
             they
             be
             to
             the
             same
             Treason
             they
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             in
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             observe
             one
             thing
             upon
             Turbervile's
             Evidence
             ,
             he
             swears
             there
             was
             a
             discourse
             in
             the
             Room
             when
             Brown
             was
             upon
             the
             Bed
             ,
             but
             afterwards
             if
             your
             
             Lordship
             minds
             it
             ,
             he
             says
             ,
             I
             discoursed
             with
             him
             as
             he
             and
             I
             lay
             upon
             the
             Bed.
             Before
             he
             said
             when
             Brown
             lay
             upon
             the
             Bed
             ,
             and
             in
             the
             Room
             ,
             and
             afterwards
             when
             we
             lay
             upon
             the
             Bed.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Both
             the
             one
             and
             the
             other
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             he
             said
             said
             first
             one
             way
             ,
             and
             then
             the
             other
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Whilst
             Brown
             lay
             upon
             the
             Bed
             ,
             and
             when
             he
             was
             gone
             ,
             whilst
             you
             both
             lay
             upon
             the
             Bed.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             We
             will
             do
             you
             no
             wrong
             ,
             therefore
             if
             you
             will
             ,
             Turbervile
             shall
             stand
             up
             and
             clear
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             believe
             those
             that
             have
             taken
             the
             passages
             can
             prove
             he
             contradicted
             himself
             in
             that
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             He
             said
             both
             .
             But
             the
             Jury
             have
             taken
             notes
             of
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             will
             take
             notice
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             Mr.
             Masters
             ,
             the
             Evidence
             he
             gives
             was
             ,
             he
             says
             that
             he
             and
             I
             should
             discourse
             of
             the
             Parliament
             in
             40.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             the
             justifiableness
             of
             the
             late
             King's
             death
             ,
             that
             they
             had
             done
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             cause
             to
             do
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             He
             swears
             that
             I
             did
             say
             to
             him
             ,
             that
             the
             late
             Parliament
             did
             not
             cut
             off
             the
             Kings
             head
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             you
             said
             the
             last
             Parliament
             that
             sate
             at
             Westminster
             ,
             was
             of
             the
             same
             opinion
             with
             that
             in
             40.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             dare
             appeal
             to
             
               Esq
            
             Charlton
             ,
             in
             whose
             shop
             the
             discourse
             was
             .
             I
             did
             not
             know
             that
             Mr.
             Masters
             was
             to
             be
             an
             Evidence
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             truly
             they
             have
             taken
             that
             course
             with
             me
             ,
             by
             which
             any
             man
             may
             be
             destroyed
             with
             half
             this
             Evidence
             ,
             were
             they
             of
             good
             Credit
             ,
             let
             his
             Innocence
             be
             what
             it
             will.
             I
             have
             been
             used
             so
             barbarously
             in
             the
             Tower
             ,
             kept
             from
             all
             Conversation
             ,
             and
             so
             in
             an
             utter
             ignorance
             of
             what
             was
             sworn
             against
             me
             ;
             for
             else
             I
             could
             easily
             have
             disproved
             Mr.
             Masters
             ,
             if
             I
             had
             been
             in
             London
             ,
             and
             had
             liberty
             to
             provide
             for
             my
             defence
             ;
             but
             they
             have
             taken
             a
             course
             to
             prevent
             that
             ,
             and
             brought
             me
             hither
             because
             't
             is
             impossible
             I
             should
             here
             defend
             my self
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             have
             not
             offered
             at
             any
             Witness
             to
             Impeach
             Mr.
             Masters
             Credit
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             discourse
             he
             speaks
             of
             was
             in
             Mr.
             Charlton's
             shop
             ,
             I
             durst
             have
             appealed
             to
             him
             about
             it
             ,
             for
             I
             know
             if
             he
             were
             here
             he
             would
             do
             me
             right
             .
             Mr.
             Masters
             did
             say
             the
             Parliament
             cut
             off
             the
             late
             Kings
             Head.
             We
             held
             a
             dispute
             upon
             that
             which
             I
             was
             not
             willing
             to
             enter
             into
             ;
             I
             said
             they
             did
             not
             ,
             and
             we
             did
             then
             dispute
             whether
             they
             began
             the
             War
             against
             his
             Majesty
             :
             I
             said
             they
             did
             not
             that
             I
             knew
             of
             ,
             neither
             were
             they
             the
             persons
             ,
             but
             the
             Papists
             that
             began
             that
             War
             and
             that
             broke
             off
             the
             Treaty
             at
             Vxbridge
             ,
             and
             that
             the
             Papists
             carryed
             it
             on
             to
             that
             sad
             issue
             ,
             and
             put
             it
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             that
             they
             had
             the
             odium
             of
             it
             ,
             but
             it
             was
             another
             sort
             of
             men
             that
             carryed
             it
             on
             .
             I
             said
             that
             I
             did
             always
             understand
             that
             Parliament
             to
             be
             an
             honest
             Parliament
             ,
             that
             minded
             the
             true
             Interest
             of
             the
             Nation
             ,
             and
             much
             of
             the
             same
             opinion
             with
             the
             Parliament
             that
             fate
             last
             at
             Westminster
             .
             But
             before
             I
             said
             this
             ,
             I
             said
             they
             were
             persons
             altogether
             innocent
             of
             the
             Kings
             murder
             ,
             and
             raising
             the
             War
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             I
             did
             always
             understand
             that
             so
             the
             Parliament
             in
             40
             were
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             But
             they
             were
             guilty
             of
             a
             Rebellion
             ,
             and
             are
             declared
             so
             by
             Act
             of
             Parliament
             since
             His
             Majesty
             came
             in
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             am
             unacquainted
             with
             the
             Law
             ,
             I
             speak
             only
             my
             sense
             of
             it
             .
             And
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             did
             excuse
             them
             as
             to
             the
             Murder
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             the
             beginning
             of
             the
             War
             ,
             that
             according
             to
             my
             understanding
             they
             were
             not
             Guilty
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             from
             thence
             I
             did
             maintain
             they
             were
             an
             honest
             good
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             much
             of
             opinion
             with
             the
             Parliament
             that
             sat
             last
             at
             Westminster
             ,
             which
             was
             for
             the
             true
             Interest
             of
             the
             Nation
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             And
             was
             that
             the
             true
             Interest
             of
             the
             Nation
             ,
             to
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             argue
             that
             with
             him
             some
             time
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             tell
             him
             that
             it
             was
             the
             Papists
             that
             did
             all
             the
             Mischief
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             But
             he
             sayes
             no
             ,
             upon
             his
             Oath
             ,
             that
             when
             he
             had
             said
             ,
             the
             Parliament
             begun
             the
             Rebellion
             ,
             and
             the
             Parliament
             did
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head
             ,
             you
             said
             the
             Parliament
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             Cause
             for
             ,
             and
             the
             Parliament
             that
             sat
             last
             at
             Westminster
             was
             of
             the
             same
             mind
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Those
             were
             his
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             let
             him
             be
             called
             again
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Let
             Mr.
             Masters
             stand
             up
             again
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Sir
             relate
             the
             whole
             discourse
             that
             passed
             between
             you
             and
             I
             ,
             whether
             I
             did
             not
             argue
             with
             you
             it
             was
             not
             the
             Parliament
             cut
             off
             the
             Kings
             head
             ,
             nor
             begun
             〈◊〉
             War
             ,
             but
             the
             Papists
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Masters
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             you
             did
             not
             say
             any
             such
             thing
             .
             We
             had
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             discourse
             in
             the
             Shop
             ,
             and
             under
             the
             Arch
             ,
             and
             the
             thing
             that
             was
             said
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             was
             this
             .
             You
             did
             say
             to
             me
             that
             you
             did
             justifie
             the
             late
             long
             Parliament
             of
             40
             ,
             and
             their
             proceedings
             ,
             and
             you
             said
             they
             were
             a
             Parliament
             that
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             cause
             for
             :
             said
             I
             ,
             how
             can
             you
             be
             so
             impudent
             to
             say
             so
             ,
             when
             they
             raised
             the
             Rebellion
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             cut
             off
             his
             head
             :
             said
             he
             again
             ,
             they
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             cause
             for
             ,
             and
             the
             Parliament
             that
             sat
             last
             at
             Westminster
             were
             of
             the
             same
             opinion
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             I
             did
             you
             no
             wrong
             in
             repeating
             the
             evidence
             ,
             you
             see
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Did
             I
             not
             first
             dispute
             with
             you
             that
             they
             did
             not
             begin
             the
             War
             ,
             nor
             cut
             off
             the
             King
             ,
             but
             the
             Papists
             did
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             you
             would
             have
             had
             it
             the
             King
             began
             the
             War.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Don't
             you
             say
             so
             ,
             for
             I
             said
             the
             Papists
             began
             the
             War.
             Sir
             say
             no
             more
             to
             me
             than
             what
             you
             will
             answer
             to
             God
             Almighty
             ;
             for
             I
             always
             said
             the
             Papists
             did
             all
             the
             mischief
             in
             the
             late
             times
             :
             and
             I
             wonder
             Sir
             you
             would
             not
             be
             so
             just
             to
             his
             Majesty
             as
             to
             detect
             me
             for
             what
             I
             said
             then
             ,
             if
             you
             apprehend
             it
             to
             be
             as
             you
             now
             say
             ,
             but
             I
             am
             sure
             you
             did
             not
             ,
             nor
             could
             not
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             it
             was
             so
             far
             from
             that
             ,
             that
             I
             was
             afraid
             it
             was
             of
             dangerous
             Consequence
             ,
             and
             I
             gave
             some
             Persons
             of
             Honour
             an
             accompt
             of
             it
             ,
             and
             I
             was
             sent
             to
             but
             on
             Friday
             last
             ,
             to
             know
             what
             it
             was
             was
             said
             ,
             and
             I
             was
             desired
             and
             commanded
             to
             come
             down
             hither
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             Mr.
             Masters
             ,
             you
             are
             upon
             your
             Oath
             ,
             do
             me
             but
             Justice
             ,
             and
             speak
             upon
             your
             own
             Conscience
             ;
             look
             you
             to
             it
             that
             you
             speak
             the
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             I
             will
             do
             you
             all
             the
             right
             I
             can
             in
             the
             World.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             before
             the
             Court
             do
             you
             declare
             whether
             we
             did
             not
             discourse
             at
             that
             time
             as
             I
             said
             ,
             for
             this
             discourse
             was
             at
             Mr.
             Charlton's
             shop
             at
             the
             further
             end
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             No
             it
             was
             at
             the
             entrance
             into
             the
             shop
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ;
             and
             did
             not
             we
             go
             into
             the
             Arch
             and
             talk
             there
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             don't
             trouble
             your self
             ,
             your
             Reputation
             is
             not
             upon
             the
             Level
             with
             that
             Gentlemans
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             desire
             he
             may
             speak
             the
             very
             truth
             and
             nothing
             but
             the
             truth
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             as
             near
             as
             I
             can
             ,
             and
             do
             you
             no
             wrong
             ;
             you
             did
             not
             in
             your
             discourse
             say
             the
             Parliament
             did
             not
             begin
             the
             War
             ,
             nor
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             You
             did
             say
             to
             me
             they
             did
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head
             ,
             and
             I
             told
             you
             no
             ,
             the
             Papists
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
          
           
             I
             think
             you
             did
             say
             that
             the
             Papists
             had
             an
             hand
             in
             it
             ;
             but
             ,
             Sir
             ,
             you
             have
             left
             out
             the
             most
             material
             part
             of
             our
             Discourse
             ,
             which
             was
             ,
             that
             you
             said
             they
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             cause
             for
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             do
             say
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             my
             sence
             always
             ,
             That
             the
             Parliament
             did
             not
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head
             ,
             for
             they
             were
             long
             out
             of
             doors
             before
             that
             came
             to
             pass
             ,
             and
             a
             new
             unhappy
             War
             was
             begun
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             The
             War
             was
             a
             Rebellion
             on
             the
             Parliaments
             part
             ,
             let
             us
             not
             mince
             the
             matter
             ,
             and
             so
             it
             was
             declared
             by
             Act
             of
             Parliament
             ;
             and
             if
             you
             argued
             after
             that
             rate
             ,
             it
             shews
             your
             temper
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             are
             a
             very
             ill
             man
             ;
             for
             they
             that
             justifie
             such
             things
             as
             to
             the
             time
             passed
             ,
             would
             lead
             us
             to
             the
             same
             things
             again
             if
             they
             could
             .
             Therefore
             don't
             go
             about
             to
             palliate
             it
             ,
             
               ad
               faciendum
               populum
            
             here
             ,
             't
             is
             nothing
             to
             the
             matter
             ,
             but
             only
             to
             shew
             your
             Principles
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             have
             heard
             what
             Mr.
             Masters
             says
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             was
             then
             a
             Child
             ,
             and
             do
             not
             know
             all
             the
             passages
             ,
             but
             I
             speak
             my
             sence
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             You
             should
             not
             have
             justified
             such
             things
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Who
             appointed
             the
             High
             Court
             of
             Justice
             that
             tryed
             the
             King
             and
             condemned
             him
             ,
             but
             the
             Parliament
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             the
             Garbage
             of
             that
             Parliament
             I
             am
             sure
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             Rump
             ,
             but
             they
             called
             themselves
             the
             Parliament
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             the
             Parliament
             it
             was
             that
             begun
             the
             War.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             did
             not
             know
             ,
             nor
             don
             't
             know
             that
             it
             is
             proved
             yet
             ,
             that
             the
             Parliament
             were
             those
             that
             did
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head.
             I
             don't
             know
             ,
             Mr.
             Masters
             is
             
             pleas'd
             to
             say
             this
             of
             me
             ;
             but
             I
             thought
             no
             evil
             ,
             nor
             did
             he
             understand
             it
             so
             I
             believe
             at
             that
             time
             ,
             for
             he
             did
             not
             seem
             to
             take
             advantage
             of
             my
             Discourse
             .
             I
             know
             he
             talked
             violently
             and
             passionately
             with
             me
             ,
             as
             he
             used
             to
             do
             ;
             and
             for
             Mr.
             Masters
             to
             say
             this
             of
             me
             now
             ,
             is
             a
             great
             unkindness
             ;
             for
             I
             thought
             he
             was
             so
             much
             a
             Gentleman
             ,
             that
             if
             I
             had
             spoken
             any
             thing
             that
             had
             not
             become
             me
             ,
             he
             would
             have
             taken
             notice
             of
             it
             then
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             He
             did
             then
             he
             tells
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Had
             I
             known
             of
             it
             ,
             I
             am
             sure
             Mr.
             Charlton
             would
             have
             done
             me
             justice
             ,
             and
             set
             things
             right
             ;
             but
             this
             I
             say
             ,
             I
             did
             first
             excuse
             the
             Parliament
             from
             being
             concerned
             in
             the
             Murder
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             that
             they
             did
             begin
             the
             War
             ,
             but
             the
             Papists
             did
             it
             :
             If
             it
             were
             otherwise
             ,
             it
             was
             more
             than
             I
             understood
             ;
             and
             after
             that
             I
             said
             ,
             I
             thought
             that
             the
             Parliament
             that
             sate
             last
             at
             Westminster
             ,
             did
             stand
             up
             for
             the
             Peoples
             Rights
             ,
             after
             the
             same
             manner
             that
             the
             Parliament
             in
             40.
             did
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             What
             just
             after
             the
             same
             manner
             ,
             in
             raising
             War
             and
             Rebellion
             against
             the
             King
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             After
             I
             had
             discoursed
             it
             thus
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             as
             I
             told
             you
             ,
             it
             could
             not
             be
             understood
             that
             I
             thought
             that
             Parliament
             would
             cut
             off
             the
             King's
             Head
             :
             And
             therefore
             you
             that
             are
             my
             Jury
             ,
             pray
             consider
             ,
             and
             take
             it
             all
             together
             ,
             there
             could
             be
             no
             such
             meaning
             made
             of
             my
             words
             ;
             for
             I
             did
             not
             conceive
             that
             that
             Parliament
             were
             concerned
             in
             those
             things
             ,
             but
             were
             a
             Parliament
             that
             stood
             up
             for
             the
             Rights
             of
             the
             People
             ;
             Now
             if
             it
             were
             so
             ,
             then
             the
             Parliament
             at
             Westminster
             were
             of
             the
             same
             opinion
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             I
             tell
             you
             the
             Long
             Parliaments
             levying
             War
             is
             declared
             Rebellion
             by
             Act
             of
             Parliament
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             if
             there
             hath
             been
             an
             Act
             since
             that
             says
             they
             were
             guilty
             of
             Rebellion
             ,
             I
             declare
             it
             't
             is
             more
             than
             ever
             I
             knew
             before
             .
             This
             is
             the
             first
             time
             that
             ever
             I
             heard
             of
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             are
             a
             mighty
             learned
             Gentleman
             to
             talk
             of
             those
             points
             indeed
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             desire
             to
             know
             whether
             any
             words
             that
             were
             spoken
             6
             months
             before
             they
             gave
             in
             their
             Depositions
             can
             be
             a
             sufficient
             Evidence
             in
             Law
             against
             me
             now
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             'T
             is
             upon
             the
             Act
             of
             the
             13th
             of
             this
             King
             you
             speak
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Yes
             ,
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             take
             it
             upon
             that
             Statute
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             I
             tell
             you
             as
             to
             that
             part
             of
             the
             Statute
             which
             concerns
             Misdemeanors
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             particular
             clause
             for
             prosecution
             by
             order
             of
             King
             or
             Council
             ;
             but
             as
             to
             that
             part
             of
             the
             Statute
             that
             concerns
             Treason
             ,
             it
             must
             be
             prosecuted
             within
             six
             months
             ,
             and
             the
             Inditement
             within
             three
             months
             after
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             Statute
             is
             this
             Inditement
             grounded
             upon
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             All
             Statutes
             that
             concern
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Upon
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             25
             of
             Edw.
             3.
             which
             declares
             the
             Common-Law
             ,
             and
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             13th
             of
             this
             King
             ,
             which
             when
             you
             have
             done
             ,
             I
             will
             have
             read
             to
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             pray
             my
             Lord
             ,
             let
             me
             ask
             you
             one
             question
             ,
             Whether
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             25th
             of
             Edw.
             3.
             does
             not
             say
             that
             there
             shall
             be
             two
             positive
             Witnesses
             to
             Treason
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             No
             ,
             but
             there
             is
             another
             that
             does
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             ignorant
             of
             the
             Law
             ,
             and
             therefore
             I
             ask
             the
             question
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Well
             ,
             I
             will
             tell
             you
             ,
             there
             must
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             in
             the
             Case
             ,
             but
             one
             Witness
             to
             one
             fact
             at
             one
             time
             ,
             and
             another
             Witness
             to
             another
             fact
             at
             another
             time
             ,
             will
             be
             sufficient
             Evidence
             to
             maintain
             an
             Indictment
             of
             Treason
             ;
             this
             was
             told
             you
             in
             the
             morning
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             And
             it
             was
             told
             you
             withal
             ,
             That
             it
             was
             the
             resolution
             of
             all
             the
             Judges
             in
             the
             Case
             of
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             when
             he
             was
             tryed
             in
             Parliament
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             proved
             fact
             in
             that
             Case
             ,
             writing
             of
             Letters
             ,
             and
             offering
             money
             to
             kill
             the
             King
             ,
             but
             nothing
             of
             fact
             is
             proved
             against
             me
             ,
             but
             riding
             into
             the
             Country
             with
             Arms
             that
             I
             had
             three
             years
             before
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             We
             will
             read
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             13th
             ,
             wherein
             words
             are
             declared
             to
             be
             Treason
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             pray
             it
             may
             be
             read
             ,
             if
             you
             please
             .
          
        
         
           (
           
             which
             was
             done
          
           .
           )
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             here
             ,
             To
             compass
             or
             imagine
             the
             imprisonment
             of
             the
             King
             and
             to
             express
             it
             by
             malitious
             and
             advised
             speaking
             ,
             when
             proved
             by
             two
             lawful
             Witnesses
             ,
             is
             Treason
             by
             this
             Act.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Now
             ,
             whether
             you
             will
             distinguish
             ,
             that
             there
             must
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             distinct
             
             places
             or
             times
             ,
             or
             whether
             the
             Statute
             intends
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             every
             particular
             fact
             and
             words
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             We
             told
             you
             our
             Opinion
             before
             ,
             That
             one
             Witness
             to
             one
             fact
             ,
             and
             another
             to
             another
             of
             the
             same
             Treason
             ,
             was
             sufficient
             .
             We
             are
             upon
             our
             Oaths
             in
             it
             ,
             and
             speak
             not
             our
             own
             Opinions
             ,
             but
             what
             hath
             received
             publick
             resolution
             in
             Cases
             of
             the
             like
             consequence
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             What
             lies
             before
             these
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             Jury
             as
             done
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             't
             is
             but
             upon
             a
             single
             testimony
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             Nay
             ,
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             and
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             both
             swear
             the
             same
             thing
             ,
             your
             design
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             at
             Oxon.
             And
             it
             would
             be
             the
             difficultest
             thing
             in
             the
             world
             to
             prove
             Treason
             against
             any
             man
             if
             the
             Law
             were
             not
             so
             ,
             and
             a
             man
             might
             commit
             all
             sorts
             of
             Treason
             securely
             ;
             for
             to
             be
             sure
             he
             would
             never
             say
             the
             same
             things
             before
             two
             Witnesses
             in
             one
             time
             ,
             and
             the
             King
             would
             be
             no
             sort
             safe
             ;
             for
             there
             would
             never
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             one
             and
             the
             same
             thing
             :
             But
             that
             hath
             been
             resolved
             often
             and
             often
             over
             and
             over
             again
             ,
             particularly
             in
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Case
             ,
             as
             you
             have
             been
             told
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             you
             say
             the
             King
             is
             not
             safe
             upon
             those
             terms
             ,
             and
             no
             private
             man
             is
             safe
             in
             the
             other
             way
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Levinz
             .
          
           
             We
             say
             that
             the
             Law
             is
             so
             ,
             and
             there
             is
             good
             reason
             for
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             We
             must
             not
             alter
             nor
             depart
             from
             the
             allowed
             received
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             the
             thing
             hath
             been
             considered
             in
             other
             Cases
             ,
             and
             the
             Law
             hath
             been
             adjudged
             and
             setled
             .
             It
             was
             so
             resolved
             in
             my
             Lord
             Stafford's
             Case
             when
             the
             Judges
             by
             the
             command
             of
             the
             Parliament
             did
             deliver
             their
             Opinion
             upon
             that
             point
             moved
             by
             him
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             nothing
             of
             fact
             proved
             against
             me
             but
             a
             pair
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             a
             Sword
             ,
             and
             an
             Horse
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             We
             have
             told
             you
             the
             Law
             ,
             and
             answered
             your
             question
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             But
             as
             the
             Case
             stands
             ,
             if
             that
             be
             the
             Law
             ,
             all
             Society
             and
             Conversation
             must
             be
             ruined
             by
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Pray
             go
             on
             ,
             when
             do
             you
             think
             we
             shall
             have
             done
             else
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             However
             I
             do
             not
             insist
             upon
             that
             so
             much
             ,
             as
             that
             the
             Testimonies
             and
             Oaths
             of
             these
             men
             are
             altogether
             invalidated
             ,
             by
             substantial
             persons
             that
             have
             here
             testified
             against
             them
             .
             I
             do
             declare
             upon
             my
             Salvation
             ,
             (
             I
             have
             nothing
             else
             to
             say
             )
             I
             am
             wholly
             innocent
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             are
             my
             Judges
             ,
             and
             I
             beseech
             them
             ,
             as
             they
             will
             answer
             me
             at
             the
             great
             day
             of
             Judgement
             ,
             where
             they
             must
             appear
             as
             sure
             as
             I
             stand
             at
             this
             Bar
             now
             ,
             that
             they
             do
             me
             right
             ,
             and
             go
             according
             to
             their
             own
             Consciences
             ;
             for
             if
             a
             man
             shall
             be
             sworn
             against
             by
             such
             Fellows
             as
             these
             are
             ,
             no
             man
             is
             safe
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             The
             worse
             ,
             the
             better
             to
             be
             trusted
             by
             you
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             sure
             it
             cannot
             be
             thought
             by
             men
             of
             common
             Reason
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             speak
             Treason
             at
             that
             rate
             that
             they
             have
             sworn
             ,
             and
             to
             such
             men
             ,
             men
             of
             their
             Profession
             ,
             Irish
             men
             ,
             and
             Papists
             ,
             Traitors
             that
             have
             declared
             they
             have
             been
             in
             all
             manner
             of
             Rogueries
             ,
             Murders
             ,
             Plots
             and
             Treasons
             .
             Therefore
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ,
             I
             cannot
             do
             any
             more
             for
             my self
             ,
             because
             I
             have
             no
             Notes
             ,
             and
             cannot
             recite
             what
             hath
             been
             said
             for
             me
             or
             against
             me
             ;
             but
             I
             do
             depend
             upon
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             inform
             the
             Jury
             rightly
             ,
             and
             do
             me
             Justice
             ;
             and
             I
             do
             pray
             the
             Jury
             that
             they
             will
             let
             their
             Consciences
             be
             satisfied
             ,
             as
             they
             are
             English
             men
             ,
             and
             as
             they
             are
             Christians
             ,
             to
             consider
             how
             the
             Case
             lyes
             with
             me
             ,
             whether
             there
             has
             not
             been
             more
             occasion
             of
             talking
             of
             late
             ,
             and
             whether
             a
             slip
             of
             the
             Tongue
             may
             be
             called
             a
             premeditated
             ,
             malicious
             ,
             advised
             speaking
             ,
             I
             mean
             ,
             my
             Discourse
             with
             Mr.
             Masters
             .
             He
             talked
             with
             me
             as
             hot
             as
             fire
             ,
             he
             was
             so
             violent
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             discourse
             him
             at
             that
             rate
             I
             have
             told
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             truth
             ,
             as
             I
             have
             a
             Soul
             to
             be
             saved
             :
             I
             did
             excuse
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             that
             as
             I
             understood
             it
             ,
             they
             had
             no
             hand
             in
             the
             beginning
             of
             the
             War
             ,
             or
             the
             Murder
             of
             the
             King.
             My
             Lord
             ,
             As
             for
             the
             rest
             that
             have
             sworn
             against
             me
             so
             desperately
             ,
             I
             must
             say
             ,
             that
             if
             the
             Jury
             did
             not
             as
             well
             consider
             my
             Evidence
             as
             theirs
             ,
             yet
             they
             might
             well
             consider
             ,
             whether
             it
             consists
             with
             common
             sence
             and
             reason
             ,
             that
             I
             should
             speak
             to
             these
             men
             after
             this
             rate
             ,
             when
             I
             could
             lay
             no
             obligation
             upon
             them
             ,
             nor
             have
             any
             confidence
             in
             them
             ;
             necessitous
             persons
             ,
             that
             could
             not
             assist
             me
             one
             Mite
             ,
             men
             that
             were
             beholding
             to
             me
             to
             borrow
             Money
             of
             me
             ,
             and
             that
             eat
             of
             my
             cost
             ,
             that
             I
             had
             always
             been
             obliging
             to
             ,
             and
             not
             they
             to
             me
             .
             But
             I
             hope
             I
             need
             insist
             upon
             this
             no
             further
             ;
             the
             whole
             Nation
             is
             sensible
             what
             is
             doing
             ,
             and
             what
             this
             does
             signifie
             :
             They
             have
             begun
             with
             me
             in
             order
             to
             the
             making
             of
             a
             Presbyterian
             Plot
             ,
             which
             they
             would
             carry
             on
             
             to
             stifle
             the
             noise
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ;
             and
             this
             is
             not
             the
             1
             st
             .
             the
             2
             d.
             nor
             the
             10
             th
             .
             time
             that
             they
             have
             been
             at
             this
             Game
             ;
             how
             many
             Shams
             have
             they
             endeavoured
             to
             raise
             —
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             Who
             do
             you
             mean
             by
             they
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             The
             Papists
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Att.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             There
             is
             nothing
             of
             Popery
             in
             the
             Case
             ;
             they
             are
             all
             Protestants
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             They
             are
             all
             Persons
             that
             have
             lately
             receiv'd
             the
             Sacrament
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             They
             were
             all
             Papists
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             are
             so
             still
             ;
             for
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             did
             justifie
             to
             me
             the
             Church
             of
             Rome
             in
             several
             things
             :
             And
             when
             I
             told
             him
             that
             they
             were
             all
             Knaves
             and
             Fools
             that
             were
             of
             that
             Religion
             ,
             he
             told
             me
             ,
             that
             many
             of
             their
             Priests
             were
             holy
             good
             men
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             proved
             that
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             can't
             prove
             it
             ,
             it
             was
             betwixt
             him
             and
             me
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Then
             I
             hope
             you
             have
             done
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             If
             I
             had
             sworn
             against
             him
             ,
             he
             had
             stood
             in
             my
             place
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Have
             you
             done
             ,
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             only
             desire
             the
             Jury
             to
             take
             all
             into
             their
             serious
             Consideration
             ;
             I
             expect
             a
             storm
             of
             Thunder
             from
             the
             learned
             Counsel
             to
             fall
             upon
             me
             ,
             who
             have
             liberty
             to
             speak
             ,
             and
             being
             learned
             in
             the
             Law
             ,
             understand
             these
             things
             better
             than
             I
             ,
             who
             must
             defend
             my self
             without
             Counsel
             .
             I
             know
             not
             whether
             it
             be
             the
             practice
             in
             any
             Nation
             ,
             but
             certainly
             't
             is
             hard
             measure
             ,
             that
             I
             being
             illiterate
             and
             ignorant
             in
             the
             Law
             must
             stand
             here
             all
             day
             ,
             they
             being
             many
             ,
             and
             taking
             all
             advantages
             against
             me
             ,
             and
             I
             a
             single
             person
             ,
             and
             not
             able
             to
             use
             one
             means
             or
             another
             either
             of
             writing
             or
             speaking
             .
             But
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             do
             declare
             and
             protest
             ,
             as
             I
             shall
             answer
             it
             at
             the
             day
             of
             Judgement
             ,
             that
             as
             to
             what
             these
             people
             have
             sworn
             against
             me
             either
             as
             to
             words
             ,
             or
             as
             to
             any
             manner
             of
             Treason
             against
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             Government
             ,
             the
             Laws
             established
             ,
             I
             take
             God
             to
             witness
             I
             am
             as
             innocent
             as
             any
             person
             upon
             Earth
             .
             And
             therefore
             I
             must
             beseech
             you
             be
             not
             frightened
             nor
             flattered
             ;
             do
             according
             to
             your
             Judgements
             and
             your
             Consciences
             ;
             you
             are
             to
             be
             my
             Judges
             both
             in
             Law
             and
             Fact
             ;
             you
             are
             to
             acquit
             me
             or
             to
             condemn
             me
             ,
             and
             my
             Bloud
             will
             be
             required
             at
             your
             hands
             .
             And
             whatsoever
             is
             said
             to
             you
             by
             others
             ,
             you
             are
             my
             true
             Judges
             ,
             you
             must
             give
             an
             account
             of
             the
             Verdict
             you
             give
             ;
             and
             therefore
             you
             must
             see
             that
             you
             do
             Justice
             ,
             as
             you
             will
             answer
             it
             at
             another
             Bar
             ,
             where
             you
             must
             all
             certainly
             appear
             ,
             and
             the
             Lord
             Almighty
             direct
             you
             that
             you
             do
             me
             true
             Justice
             ,
             and
             I
             ask
             no
             more
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             you
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             Jury
             .
             Here
             hath
             been
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             time
             spent
             ,
             and
             truly
             I
             think
             for
             no
             other
             Reason
             but
             to
             divert
             you
             from
             the
             matter
             that
             is
             before
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             might
             forget
             the
             Evidence
             that
             hath
             been
             given
             .
             And
             therefore
             I
             will
             briefly
             repeat
             it
             to
             you
             ,
             that
             I
             may
             refresh
             your
             memories
             about
             what
             hath
             been
             sworn
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             the
             Crime
             charged
             upon
             Mr.
             Colledge
             is
             High
             Treason
             in
             imagining
             and
             compassing
             the
             death
             of
             the
             King
             ;
             the
             proof
             of
             that
             hath
             been
             by
             a
             Conspiracy
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             here
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             which
             Conspiracy
             he
             declared
             he
             was
             in
             ,
             by
             shewing
             Arms
             prepared
             for
             that
             purpose
             ,
             and
             by
             coming
             down
             to
             Oxon
             with
             that
             intent
             ,
             this
             is
             the
             proof
             of
             his
             design
             to
             kill
             the
             King.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Is
             the
             Conspiracy
             proved
             of
             that
             Mr.
             Solicitor
             ?
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             We
             have
             had
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             patience
             with
             you
             ,
             you
             have
             spent
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             time
             ,
             you
             must
             contain
             your self
             now
             ,
             and
             let
             them
             go
             on
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Do
             not
             let
             him
             do
             me
             wrong
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             I
             will
             do
             you
             no
             wrong
             Mr.
             Colledge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Sir
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             Conspiracy
             proved
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             you
             have
             taken
             up
             a
             great
             deal
             of
             time
             ,
             and
             we
             have
             had
             much
             patience
             because
             we
             consider
             your
             condition
             ,
             and
             had
             rather
             hear
             too
             much
             than
             be
             hard
             upon
             you
             ,
             and
             because
             the
             Evidence
             was
             long
             and
             difficult
             to
             repeat
             ,
             now
             we
             have
             heard
             you
             ,
             you
             must
             have
             patience
             to
             hear
             what
             the
             Kings
             Counsel
             repeat
             and
             observe
             upon
             it
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             As
             I
             was
             saying
             the
             fact
             that
             is
             charged
             upon
             him
             ,
             is
             a
             design
             to
             kill
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             manifestation
             of
             that
             design
             is
             by
             preparing
             Arms
             to
             that
             purpose
             ,
             and
             by
             coming
             down
             to
             Oxon
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             here
             ,
             and
             that
             this
             was
             his
             manifest
             intent
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             the
             proof
             of
             it
             hath
             been
             by
             Witnesses
             ,
             that
             I
             think
             by
             and
             by
             you
             will
             have
             no
             Objections
             against
             .
             These
             Witnesses
             were
             
               Dugdale
               ,
               Turbervile
               ,
               Smith
            
             and
             Haynes
             ,
             these
             are
             the
             most
             material
             Witnesses
             to
             the
             Treason
             ,
             there
             are
             two
             other
             Witnesses
             indeed
             ,
             but
             they
             are
             to
             other
             circumstantial
             matters
             that
             I
             will
             take
             notice
             of
             to
             you
             by
             and
             by
             ,
             and
             make
             my
             observations
             upon
             them
             in
             their
             proper
             place
             .
          
           
           
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             was
             the
             first
             Witness
             that
             was
             produced
             ,
             and
             his
             Evidence
             is
             very
             full
             ,
             he
             proves
             that
             Mr.
             Colledge
             declared
             to
             him
             at
             the
             Coffee-house
             here
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             come
             down
             with
             an
             intent
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             an
             expectation
             some
             thing
             would
             be
             done
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             Armed
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             did
             advise
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             to
             be
             Armed
             too
             ,
             for
             he
             was
             provided
             for
             the
             rooting
             out
             of
             Popery
             ,
             which
             he
             explained
             himself
             what
             he
             meant
             by
             it
             ,
             that
             was
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             the
             King
             and
             all
             his
             Adherents
             .
             He
             came
             hither
             Armed
             for
             that
             purpose
             Gentlemen
             ,
             and
             did
             advise
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             to
             Arm
             himself
             too
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             declare
             to
             him
             the
             King
             was
             a
             Papist
             ,
             and
             all
             his
             Family
             were
             Papists
             ,
             he
             was
             as
             deep
             in
             the
             Plot
             ,
             and
             as
             Guilty
             of
             the
             Murder
             of
             Sir
             
               Edmond-bury
               Godfrey
            
             ,
             as
             any
             body
             else
             .
             This
             was
             what
             he
             declared
             to
             Dugdale
             here
             ,
             and
             this
             he
             swore
             to
             you
             when
             he
             gave
             his
             Evidence
             .
          
           
             The
             next
             Witness
             is
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             ,
             and
             he
             is
             positive
             to
             the
             matter
             that
             is
             laid
             in
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             and
             swears
             to
             you
             expresly
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             declare
             to
             him
             at
             the
             Chequer-Inn
             ,
             that
             they
             came
             down
             here
             in
             expectation
             of
             some
             sport
             ,
             that
             something
             would
             be
             done
             ,
             that
             they
             did
             expect
             the
             King
             would
             begin
             with
             them
             ,
             but
             if
             they
             did
             not
             ,
             they
             would
             begin
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             they
             would
             secure
             him
             till
             they
             had
             brought
             him
             to
             Complyance
             .
             He
             shewed
             him
             his
             Arms
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             ready
             to
             ingage
             in
             that
             design
             ,
             and
             advised
             Turbervile
             to
             be
             ready
             too
             .
             And
             the
             rather
             than
             Turbervile
             should
             not
             be
             ready
             he
             offered
             to
             procure
             him
             an
             Horse
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Every
             man
             had
             the
             same
             Armes
             that
             I
             had
             ,
             and
             I
             had
             had
             them
             long
             before
             that
             time
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             every
             one
             had
             them
             not
             with
             the
             same
             intent
             ,
             but
             Gentlemen
             ,
             because
             Mr.
             Colledge
             interrupts
             me
             with
             an
             Objection
             ,
             I
             will
             take
             notice
             of
             it
             now
             by
             the
             way
             .
             He
             says
             those
             Armes
             he
             had
             before
             ,
             and
             therefore
             they
             were
             not
             provided
             for
             this
             purpose
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             we
             do
             not
             pretend
             to
             prove
             when
             this
             Trayterous
             intent
             first
             began
             ,
             and
             how
             long
             this
             design
             hath
             been
             hatching
             ,
             but
             such
             a
             design
             there
             was
             ,
             and
             such
             a
             design
             he
             manifested
             to
             be
             in
             himself
             when
             he
             made
             the
             Declaration
             to
             Turbervile
             ,
             and
             advised
             him
             to
             Arme
             himself
             ,
             whether
             he
             prepared
             them
             against
             that
             time
             or
             no
             is
             not
             material
             ,
             if
             he
             had
             them
             before
             ,
             and
             if
             he
             had
             them
             first
             innocently
             ,
             yet
             if
             he
             afterwards
             designed
             them
             for
             such
             a
             purpose
             ,
             and
             shewed
             them
             in
             a
             readiness
             for
             it
             ,
             that
             is
             a
             sufficient
             Evidence
             to
             prove
             this
             Treason
             .
          
           
             So
             here
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             you
             observe
             against
             the
             Prisoner
             of
             this
             matter
             that
             is
             laid
             against
             him
             in
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             an
             intent
             to
             kill
             the
             King
             ,
             they
             both
             prove
             it
             positively
             upon
             him
             at
             Oxon.
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             speaks
             to
             matters
             precedent
             to
             ,
             for
             he
             tells
             you
             ,
             his
             discourse
             before
             they
             came
             down
             ,
             that
             they
             would
             come
             down
             for
             that
             purpose
             ,
             that
             they
             had
             an
             expectation
             some
             thing
             would
             be
             done
             ,
             and
             therefore
             he
             came
             down
             in
             an
             Equipage
             not
             suitable
             to
             his
             profession
             ,
             for
             you
             see
             he
             was
             by
             Trade
             a
             Carpenter
             or
             a
             Joyner
             ,
             but
             Armed
             on
             Horseback
             with
             a
             Case
             of
             Pistols
             ,
             things
             that
             don't
             become
             such
             men
             to
             Travel
             with
             ,
             and
             he
             did
             declare
             to
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             for
             what
             purpose
             he
             came
             down
             .
             The
             next
             Witness
             is
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Smith
             is
             as
             positive
             and
             full
             to
             this
             matter
             of
             Treason
             as
             any
             of
             the
             rest
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             There
             is
             scarce
             a
             Carpenter
             or
             a
             Joyner
             in
             London
             but
             hath
             Pistols
             when
             he
             rides
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             We
             must
             not
             suffer
             this
             ,
             We
             had
             so
             much
             patience
             with
             you
             that
             we
             expect
             you
             should
             be
             quiet
             now
             and
             not
             interrupt
             the
             Counsel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             Let
             me
             not
             be
             overborn
             upon
             ,
             there
             is
             scarce
             a
             Poulterer
             in
             London
             ,
             but
             what
             hath
             Pistols
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             We
             had
             great
             patience
             with
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             did
             not
             interrupt
             you
             I
             am
             sure
             ,
             but
             let
             you
             say
             what
             you
             would
             .
             I
             think
             I
             do
             you
             no
             wrong
             ,
             if
             I
             do
             ,
             I
             am
             under
             the
             Correction
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             they
             will
             reprove
             me
             if
             I
             do
             that
             which
             does
             not
             become
             me
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             Did
             not
             you
             ramble
             I
             don't
             know
             how
             ,
             and
             yet
             you
             were
             suffered
             to
             go
             on
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             He
             tells
             you
             of
             a
             discourse
             as
             he
             came
             from
             the
             Coffee-house
             to
             go
             to
             a
             Dinner
             whither
             he
             was
             invited
             by
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             ;
             and
             the
             discourse
             was
             ,
             That
             the
             King
             was
             as
             great
             a
             Papist
             as
             the
             Duke
             ,
             and
             much
             more
             to
             that
             purpose
             vilifying
             the
             King.
             That
             Alderman
             Wilcox
             was
             a
             man
             that
             gave
             Money
             to
             buy
             Armes
             to
             bring
             the
             King
             to
             submission
             .
             He
             objects
             against
             this
             ,
             and
             says
             ,
             't
             is
             impossible
             such
             a
             discourse
             should
             be
             ,
             and
             that
             all
             this
             should
             be
             talked
             in
             so
             little
             a
             time
             ,
             as
             in
             passing
             from
             the
             Coffee-house
             to
             the
             Crown-Tavern
             without
             Temple-Barr
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Pray
             remember
             whose
             Company
             it
             was
             proved
             I
             went
             in
             ,
             Mr.
             Solicitor
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Sol.
             Gen.
             
          
           
             But
             Gentlemen
             ,
             when
             you
             consider
             ,
             how
             busie
             a
             man
             he
             was
             ,
             and
             how
             ready
             at
             talking
             of
             Treason
             ,
             you
             will
             not
             think
             ,
             but
             that
             this
             man
             might
             talk
             much
             more
             than
             this
             ;
             but
             this
             I
             mention
             to
             do
             him
             right
             ,
             it
             being
             one
             of
             the
             Arguments
             he
             used
             ;
             and
             to
             give
             an
             Answer
             to
             it
             ,
             tho'
             when
             you
             consider
             it
             ,
             I
             believe
             you
             will
             think
             it
             not
             to
             need
             an
             Answer
             .
             But
             I
             would
             do
             him
             all
             the
             right
             I
             can
             ,
             and
             now
             you
             have
             heard
             it
             ,
             you
             will
             consider
             the
             weight
             of
             it
             .
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             he
             tells
             you
             of
             another
             discourse
             afterwards
             that
             does
             relate
             to
             his
             being
             here
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             he
             tells
             you
             he
             had
             Armes
             in
             his
             house
             ,
             and
             was
             ready
             upon
             all
             occasions
             ,
             and
             he
             shew'd
             Mr.
             Smith
             his
             Armes
             ,
             and
             told
             him
             ,
             these
             were
             the
             things
             that
             were
             to
             destroy
             Rowley's
             Guards
             ,
             as
             he
             said
             ,
             which
             by
             the
             Evidence
             is
             made
             to
             appear
             he
             meant
             the
             King
             by
             that
             name
             ,
             his
             Armes
             he
             said
             were
             for
             that
             purpose
             .
             That
             he
             would
             go
             down
             to
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             there
             he
             expected
             some
             sport
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             what
             sport
             he
             thinks
             there
             is
             in
             Rebellion
             ;
             you
             see
             what
             principles
             he
             is
             of
             ,
             that
             does
             maintain
             and
             justif●e
             the
             greatest
             and
             horridest
             Rebellion
             that
             ever
             was
             in
             England
             ,
             and
             says
             they
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             good
             cause
             for
             .
             He
             tells
             Smith
             that
             he
             thought
             the
             King
             would
             seize
             upon
             some
             Members
             ,
             and
             with
             that
             expectation
             he
             came
             down
             ,
             but
             he
             was
             as
             ready
             as
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             would
             be
             one
             in
             the
             securing
             of
             him
             ,
             if
             he
             medled
             with
             any
             of
             the
             Members
             .
             This
             proof
             Mr.
             Smith
             made
             ;
             and
             that
             after
             the
             Parliament
             was
             dissolved
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             that
             the
             King
             ran
             away
             ,
             and
             was
             very
             much
             afraid
             .
             This
             is
             proved
             by
             Smith
             likewise
             ,
             and
             this
             Colledge
             did
             declare
             after
             he
             came
             to
             Town
             .
             Smith
             proves
             further
             ,
             That
             he
             did
             wonder
             the
             King
             did
             not
             consider
             how
             easily
             his
             Father's
             Head
             was
             brought
             to
             the
             Block
             ;
             and
             for
             Mr.
             Colledge's
             part
             he
             did
             declare
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             believe
             this
             King
             would
             be
             served
             so
             shortly
             .
             And
             this
             does
             confirm
             what
             his
             other
             Witnesses
             have
             spoken
             of
             his
             words
             at
             Oxon.
             Thus
             then
             there
             are
             three
             Witnesses
             ,
             tho'
             two
             are
             enough
             to
             convict
             a
             man
             ,
             if
             they
             be
             positive
             to
             the
             Treason
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Haynes
             is
             the
             4
             th
             .
             Witness
             ,
             and
             he
             is
             as
             full
             as
             any
             of
             them
             .
             I
             do
             but
             repeat
             it
             in
             short
             ;
             you
             have
             had
             it
             so
             often
             canvassed
             by
             Colledge
             ,
             that
             I
             believe
             you
             will
             easily
             remember
             it
             .
             He
             did
             advise
             Haynes
             that
             he
             should
             not
             value
             the
             King
             at
             all
             ,
             for
             the
             King
             should
             be
             called
             to
             account
             for
             all
             his
             Actions
             ;
             he
             said
             he
             would
             seize
             the
             King
             and
             bring
             him
             to
             the
             Block
             as
             they
             did
             his
             Father
             ,
             with
             an
             undecent
             expression
             of
             that
             blessed
             King
             not
             fit
             to
             be
             repeated
             .
             And
             he
             said
             ,
             they
             did
             intend
             when
             they
             had
             cut
             off
             him
             ,
             never
             any
             more
             of
             his
             Race
             should
             Raign
             ;
             this
             it
             was
             Haynes
             says
             ,
             tho'
             there
             are
             other
             matters
             .
             I
             would
             take
             notice
             of
             one
             thing
             more
             ,
             and
             I
             need
             not
             but
             mention
             it
             ,
             you
             will
             remember
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             about
             the
             Libel
             of
             
               Fitzharris
               .
               Haynes
            
             tells
             you
             upon
             discourse
             of
             that
             Libel
             ,
             he
             said
             ,
             that
             every
             word
             of
             it
             was
             true
             ,
             as
             sure
             as
             God
             is
             in
             Heaven
             .
             Now
             that
             was
             a
             Libel
             made
             by
             a
             Papist
             ,
             an
             Irish
             Papist
             ,
             who
             hath
             been
             Tryed
             ,
             Convicted
             ,
             and
             Executed
             for
             it
             ,
             and
             the
             horridest
             Libel
             it
             was
             ,
             that
             ever
             was
             Writ
             .
             And
             this
             is
             the
             Libel
             which
             this
             Gentleman
             ,
             who
             is
             so
             very
             conversant
             in
             Libels
             ,
             and
             Books
             of
             that
             sort
             ,
             avers
             to
             be
             as
             true
             as
             God
             is
             in
             Heaven
             .
             This
             is
             the
             substance
             Gentlemen
             of
             that
             proof
             which
             hath
             been
             made
             to
             you
             ;
             we
             have
             other
             Circumstances
             to
             prove
             ,
             that
             as
             he
             came
             down
             with
             that
             intent
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             as
             he
             expected
             what
             he
             calls
             some
             sport
             ,
             so
             he
             did
             endeavour
             to
             begin
             the
             sport
             ,
             he
             did
             quarrel
             in
             the
             Lobby
             of
             the
             House
             of
             Lords
             with
             
               Fitz
               Gerald
            
             ,
             some
             blows
             passed
             ,
             and
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             telling
             him
             his
             Nose
             bled
             ,
             he
             did
             declare
             I
             have
             lost
             the
             first
             blood
             in
             the
             Cause
             ,
             but
             it
             will
             not
             be
             long
             before
             there
             be
             more
             lost
             .
             Thus
             after
             he
             had
             come
             down
             ,
             he
             endeavoured
             to
             begin
             a
             Commotion
             ,
             for
             from
             little
             matters
             great
             things
             do
             sometimes
             arise
             ,
             and
             when
             all
             men
             were
             possest
             with
             an
             Expectation
             ,
             such
             as
             he
             himself
             did
             declare
             ,
             he
             and
             others
             came
             down
             with
             an
             expectation
             that
             the
             Parliament
             should
             be
             attacked
             ;
             a
             little
             matter
             ,
             might
             have
             begun
             such
             a
             Commotion
             which
             no
             man
             knows
             what
             end
             it
             would
             have
             had
             .
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             this
             hath
             been
             our
             proof
             .
             Now
             the
             Objection
             made
             to
             this
             proof
             by
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             is
             ,
             That
             this
             is
             a
             Popish
             design
             to
             raise
             a
             new
             Plot
             ,
             and
             cast
             it
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             and
             that
             these
             Witnesses
             are
             now
             to
             deny
             all
             the
             Evidence
             they
             have
             given
             of
             
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             and
             throw
             all
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             .
             This
             is
             that
             he
             would
             perswade
             you
             to
             believe
             ,
             but
             which
             I
             think
             when
             you
             do
             consider
             a
             little
             of
             it
             ,
             it
             will
             be
             impossible
             for
             you
             in
             the
             least
             to
             have
             such
             a
             thought
             .
             For
             what
             are
             the
             Evidence
             that
             have
             ●●●ved
             this
             ?
             who
             are
             they
             ?
             Men
             of
             Credit
             ,
             that
             have
             been
             Evidences
             against
             the
             Popish
             Plotters
             ,
             and
             against
             men
             that
             have
             suffered
             for
             that
             Plot
             ,
             men
             that
             still
             stand
             to
             the
             Evidence
             they
             have
             given
             ,
             and
             affirm
             it
             every
             word
             to
             be
             true
             ,
             and
             one
             of
             the
             very
             men
             that
             he
             brought
             says
             ,
             that
             they
             still
             stand
             to
             it
             ;
             for
             Turbervile
             who
             was
             one
             of
             the
             Witnesses
             against
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             was
             tempted
             by
             some
             persons
             to
             deny
             the
             Evidence
             he
             had
             given
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             but
             his
             answer
             was
             ,
             no
             ,
             I
             can
             never
             depart
             from
             it
             ,
             I
             have
             a
             soul
             to
             save
             ,
             that
             was
             true
             which
             I
             said
             ,
             I
             cannot
             deny
             it
             .
             It
             then
             the
             Witnesses
             which
             he
             would
             have
             you
             believe
             to
             be
             guilty
             of
             denying
             the
             Popish
             Plott
             ,
             do
             confirm
             what
             they
             have
             said
             as
             to
             that
             discovery
             ,
             that
             objection
             is
             taken
             off
             ,
             and
             they
             doe
             stand
             still
             to
             if
             that
             every
             part
             of
             it
             was
             true
             ,
             and
             aver
             the
             same
             thing
             ;
             and
             yet
             forsooth
             these
             men
             are
             going
             about
             to
             stifle
             this
             Plot.
             
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             these
             are
             the
             men
             the
             whole
             Nation
             have
             given
             credit
             to
             ,
             the
             Parliament
             having
             impeached
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             upon
             the
             credit
             of
             them
             (
             for
             it
             was
             upon
             the
             credit
             of
             Dugdale
             and
             Turbervile
             that
             they
             impeached
             him
             ,
             for
             there
             was
             not
             two
             Witnesses
             till
             Turbervile
             came
             in
             and
             made
             a
             Second
             ,
             and
             upon
             their
             credit
             )
             after
             so
             solemn
             a
             Tryal
             where
             all
             the
             Objections
             that
             could
             possibly
             be
             made
             were
             made
             ,
             the
             House
             of
             Lords
             thought
             fit
             to
             find
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             Guilty
             ,
             and
             my
             Lord
             Stafford
             suffered
             for
             it
             ,
             and
             dyed
             upon
             the
             credit
             of
             these
             men
             .
             These
             are
             the
             Witnesses
             Gentlemen
             ,
             that
             this
             man
             thinks
             ought
             to
             be
             blown
             off
             with
             that
             frivolous
             Objection
             ,
             that
             they
             are
             Persons
             he
             would
             have
             you
             believe
             ,
             who
             are
             Guilty
             of
             a
             design
             to
             throw
             the
             Plot
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             .
             But
             because
             he
             hath
             desired
             to
             save
             himself
             in
             an
             Herd
             ,
             by
             numbring
             himself
             amongst
             the
             Protestants
             .
             I
             must
             a
             little
             observe
             to
             you
             what
             a
             sort
             of
             Protestant
             he
             is
             ,
             a
             man
             he
             would
             have
             you
             to
             believe
             ,
             so
             popular
             for
             his
             Religion
             ,
             that
             he
             hath
             obtained
             the
             name
             of
             the
             Protestant
             Joyner
             .
             But
             when
             you
             have
             considered
             what
             his
             Actions
             are
             ,
             I
             believe
             you
             will
             a
             little
             suspect
             his
             Religion
             .
             If
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             allow
             any
             man
             to
             vilifie
             the
             King
             ,
             to
             Arraign
             the
             Government
             ,
             and
             to
             throw
             off
             all
             manner
             of
             allegiance
             ,
             then
             this
             man
             is
             a
             Protestant
             :
             but
             if
             this
             be
             to
             act
             the
             part
             of
             a
             Papist
             ,
             and
             if
             the
             Papists
             could
             wish
             that
             such
             an
             infamy
             might
             be
             put
             upon
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             ,
             that
             it
             should
             justifie
             such
             a
             Rebellion
             as
             the
             late
             horrid
             one
             was
             ,
             and
             own
             such
             a
             Principle
             that
             it
             is
             lawful
             for
             any
             Subject
             to
             asperse
             and
             vilifie
             the
             King
             ,
             as
             this
             man
             by
             those
             many
             and
             scurrilous
             Libels
             seems
             to
             do
             ;
             If
             they
             could
             wish
             this
             Nation
             overturned
             ,
             and
             the
             Government
             in
             confusion
             ,
             and
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             destroyed
             ,
             the
             Best
             Bulwark
             now
             in
             the
             world
             against
             Popery
             ,
             and
             the
             best
             or
             only
             refuge
             at
             this
             day
             left
             for
             the
             poor
             afflicted
             Protestants
             abroad
             .
             Then
             whilest
             Mr.
             Colledge
             does
             thus
             act
             the
             part
             of
             a
             Papist
             ,
             he
             does
             very
             ill
             to
             call
             himself
             a
             Protestant
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             cannot
             but
             observe
             one
             thing
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             it
             was
             the
             Evidence
             of
             Dr.
             Oates
             ,
             when
             he
             did
             first
             discover
             the
             Plot
             ,
             and
             without
             his
             Evidence
             you
             would
             easily
             believe
             the
             thing
             .
             He
             told
             you
             there
             were
             two
             ways
             they
             had
             to
             accomplish
             their
             design
             ,
             by
             direct
             murdering
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             if
             that
             failed
             ,
             by
             putting
             all
             things
             into
             confusion
             here
             ,
             and
             raising
             Rebellion
             and
             disturbance
             amongst
             us
             ,
             and
             the
             way
             to
             affect
             that
             Rebellion
             it
             was
             by
             having
             Emissaries
             sent
             among
             us
             ,
             to
             work
             us
             into
             a
             dislike
             of
             the
             Church
             ,
             and
             by
             that
             means
             into
             a
             Rebellion
             against
             the
             State.
             That
             some
             men
             were
             sent
             abroad
             for
             that
             purpose
             to
             preach
             at
             Conventicles
             ,
             some
             whereof
             were
             catched
             ,
             and
             some
             did
             suffer
             .
             Now
             without
             this
             Evidence
             it
             would
             not
             be
             hard
             to
             believe
             ,
             that
             such
             there
             are
             ,
             and
             have
             been
             ,
             for
             all
             that
             know
             the
             History
             of
             our
             Reformation
             do
             know
             that
             it
             was
             an
             early
             practice
             among
             them
             ,
             to
             raise
             Sects
             amongst
             us
             ,
             to
             bring
             confusion
             first
             into
             the
             Church
             ,
             and
             then
             in
             the
             State.
             And
             we
             have
             already
             found
             the
             sad
             effects
             of
             it
             .
          
           
             Now
             Gentlemen
             ,
             if
             Colledge
             have
             all
             this
             while
             under
             the
             name
             of
             a
             Protestant
             acted
             the
             part
             of
             a
             Papist
             ,
             though
             I
             cannot
             say
             he
             is
             a
             Papist
             ,
             nor
             that
             he
             is
             one
             of
             those
             Emissaries
             ,
             yet
             I
             may
             say
             he
             is
             not
             that
             good
             Protestant
             he
             pretends
             to
             be
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             must
             now
             to
             do
             him
             right
             ,
             come
             to
             repeat
             the
             Evidence
             that
             he
             hath
             given
             against
             our
             Witnesses
             ;
             for
             Mr.
             Haynes
             he
             hath
             produced
             several
             Witnesses
             ,
             one
             is
             Mr.
             Hickman
             ,
             who
             says
             
             he
             overheard
             Haynes
             say
             to
             one
             that
             was
             his
             Tenant
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             his
             trade
             to
             swear
             ,
             and
             he
             must
             get
             money
             by
             it
             .
             This
             he
             overheard
             him
             standing
             and
             listning
             at
             a
             door
             .
             You
             have
             another
             man
             Lun
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             next
             Witness
             ,
             and
             he
             says
             that
             at
             the
             Fleet-ditch
             where
             he
             saw
             him
             ,
             there
             he
             declared
             the
             same
             thing
             to
             him
             ,
             that
             he
             would
             swear
             any
             thing
             for
             money
             ,
             and
             dam
             his
             soul
             rather
             than
             the
             Catholick
             Cause
             should
             sink
             ;
             and
             now
             He
             comes
             to
             prove
             a
             Plot
             upon
             him
             that
             is
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             and
             in
             his
             person
             upon
             all
             the
             Protestants
             of
             England
             ,
             and
             this
             man
             would
             fain
             throw
             off
             the
             credit
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             and
             turn
             it
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             .
             But
             Gentlemen
             it
             is
             strange
             ,
             that
             Mr.
             Haynes
             should
             have
             this
             discourse
             with
             Lun
             ,
             the
             first
             time
             that
             ever
             he
             saw
             him
             ,
             for
             I
             am
             sure
             his
             own
             Witness
             Lun
             says
             it
             was
             the
             first
             time
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             should
             immediately
             talk
             to
             him
             at
             this
             rate
             is
             somewhat
             strange
             :
             But
             for
             an
             Answer
             to
             it
             ,
             this
             Lun
             we
             have
             confronted
             with
             the
             Evidence
             of
             White
             the
             Messenger
             ,
             who
             swears
             ,
             that
             afterwards
             meeting
             him
             at
             
               Vxbridge
               ,
               Lun
            
             asked
             him
             what
             Gentleman
             that
             was
             ,
             and
             did
             not
             know
             Mr.
             Haynes
             ,
             and
             yet
             he
             takes
             upon
             him
             to
             prove
             ,
             that
             he
             had
             spoke
             such
             words
             to
             him
             before
             .
             I
             think
             there
             is
             never
             another
             material
             Witness
             against
             Haynes
             except
             Whaley
             ,
             who
             was
             an
             under-Officer
             in
             the
             Kings-Bench
             ;
             and
             he
             says
             ,
             that
             Haynes
             while
             he
             was
             a
             Prisoner
             there
             ran
             away
             with
             a
             silver
             Tankard
             ,
             but
             he
             never
             was
             indicted
             or
             prosecuted
             for
             it
             ,
             tho'
             he
             remained
             afterwards
             in
             the
             House
             ;
             and
             this
             was
             5
             or
             6
             years
             ago
             .
          
           
             Now
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             think
             the
             nature
             of
             this
             Evidence
             hath
             not
             that
             weight
             ,
             as
             to
             take
             off
             the
             credit
             of
             what
             this
             man
             hath
             said
             upon
             his
             Oath
             ,
             especially
             when
             this
             man's
             Evidence
             is
             so
             backed
             with
             the
             Evidence
             of
             other
             men
             ,
             that
             I
             think
             there
             is
             no
             Objection
             at
             all
             against
             it
             .
             For
             the
             other
             Witnesses
             ,
             
               Dugdale
               ,
               Smith
            
             and
             Turbervile
             ,
             are
             men
             whose
             credit
             has
             not
             been
             impeached
             ,
             and
             they
             have
             confirmed
             in
             substance
             what
             the
             Evidence
             of
             Haynes
             is
             ;
             so
             that
             he
             does
             not
             stand
             alone
             in
             what
             he
             here
             swears
             ,
             but
             't
             is
             confirmed
             with
             concurrent
             Evidence
             with
             it
             .
          
           
             Then
             Gentlemen
             ,
             for
             the
             Objection
             against
             
               Dugdale
               ,
               Turbervile
            
             and
             Smith
             ,
             they
             have
             produc'd
             Dr.
             Oates
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             he
             must
             vilifie
             the
             credit
             of
             those
             men
             ,
             whose
             testimony
             as
             to
             what
             he
             gave
             at
             first
             in
             discovering
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             received
             credit
             by
             being
             seconded
             by
             these
             men
             .
             And
             I
             cannot
             but
             observe
             it
             as
             a
             strange
             thing
             ,
             that
             this
             man
             comes
             now
             to
             vilifie
             the
             testimony
             of
             those
             ,
             who
             have
             given
             evidence
             and
             been
             credited
             by
             the
             whole
             Kingdom
             ;
             that
             he
             should
             come
             here
             upon
             the
             word
             of
             a
             Priest
             to
             declare
             ,
             that
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             was
             a
             man
             of
             very
             lewd
             Conversation
             ,
             and
             was
             a
             person
             that
             had
             a
             soul
             Disease
             on
             him
             ,
             when
             he
             pretended
             he
             was
             poisoned
             .
             I
             remember
             this
             was
             an
             Objection
             that
             hath
             been
             made
             by
             the
             Papists
             to
             him
             ,
             and
             I
             believe
             you
             have
             heard
             it
             often
             out
             of
             their
             mouths
             ;
             but
             it
             is
             the
             first
             time
             that
             ever
             I
             heard
             it
             from
             any
             one
             that
             is
             a
             Witness
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot
             ,
             and
             pretends
             to
             stand
             up
             for
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             if
             any
             such
             thing
             as
             this
             could
             have
             been
             made
             out
             against
             him
             ,
             it
             had
             been
             made
             out
             ere
             now
             ,
             the
             Papists
             would
             have
             taken
             advantage
             of
             it
             ;
             and
             when
             the
             wit
             of
             all
             that
             Party
             was
             bent
             against
             him
             ,
             he
             could
             not
             have
             escaped
             the
             having
             it
             proved
             .
             If
             
             it
             had
             been
             true
             ,
             yet
             Dr.
             Oates
             takes
             upon
             him
             now
             to
             vilifie
             his
             credit
             ,
             and
             takes
             up
             those
             Arguments
             the
             Papists
             have
             maliciously
             suggested
             ,
             but
             yet
             were
             never
             able
             to
             make
             out
             .
             This
             looks
             as
             if
             the
             Doctor
             were
             again
             returning
             to
             St.
             Omers
             ,
             that
             he
             is
             thus
             going
             about
             to
             disparage
             the
             Evidence
             of
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             ,
             which
             in
             great
             measure
             verified
             the
             truth
             of
             that
             discovery
             ,
             which
             himself
             first
             made
             of
             the
             Popish
             Plot.
             
          
           
             Against
             Turbervile
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             think
             there
             hath
             been
             very
             little
             at
             all
             objected
             that
             can
             have
             weight
             with
             you
             .
             Mr.
             Brodgate
             ,
             as
             I
             suppose
             you
             observe
             ,
             has
             said
             enough
             to
             confirm
             Turbervile's
             credit
             ;
             for
             he
             hath
             proved
             to
             you
             ,
             That
             when
             he
             was
             tempted
             to
             renounce
             his
             Evidence
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             he
             refused
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             he
             had
             more
             conscience
             than
             to
             do
             it
             ,
             he
             knew
             well
             enough
             what
             he
             had
             said
             was
             true
             ,
             and
             as
             he
             had
             a
             Soul
             to
             save
             ,
             he
             could
             not
             go
             from
             it
             .
             This
             is
             the
             Evidence
             that
             he
             gives
             ,
             and
             which
             certainly
             serves
             much
             to
             confirm
             the
             truth
             of
             Turbervile
             ,
             besides
             the
             strict
             Examination
             he
             hath
             been
             under
             ,
             and
             beyond
             any
             thing
             that
             Dr.
             Oates
             ,
             I
             think
             ,
             has
             been
             able
             to
             contradict
             him
             in
             .
          
           
             Dr.
             Oates
             condradicts
             Smith
             about
             his
             coming
             from
             the
             Coffee-house
             to
             Wilcox's
             Dinner
             .
             He
             says
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             come
             along
             with
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             but
             Colledge
             came
             along
             with
             Dr.
             Oates
             ,
             and
             Smith
             followed
             them
             .
             But
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             you
             hear
             what
             Smith
             hath
             declared
             upon
             his
             Oath
             ,
             That
             they
             came
             both
             together
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             ;
             and
             you
             hear
             what
             his
             Witness
             Mr.
             Smith
             the
             Councellor
             says
             :
             He
             does
             not
             positively
             remember
             that
             circumstance
             ,
             yet
             one
             would
             think
             he
             should
             ;
             for
             Oates
             says
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             the
             Lawyer
             walked
             just
             before
             them
             ,
             and
             Colledge
             followed
             .
             Mr.
             Smith
             that
             is
             the
             Witness
             for
             the
             King
             ,
             he
             swears
             he
             came
             along
             with
             Colledge
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             Smith
             the
             Lawyer
             being
             asked
             that
             Question
             ,
             he
             does
             not
             remember
             that
             .
             Then
             another
             thing
             is
             ,
             Dr.
             Oates
             sayes
             ,
             when
             they
             were
             there
             ,
             Colledge
             was
             so
             far
             from
             discoursing
             of
             any
             Treasonable
             matters
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             very
             merry
             in
             the
             Company
             ,
             and
             talking
             innocently
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             Smith
             sayes
             ,
             he
             was
             so
             far
             from
             being
             merry
             or
             talking
             Treason
             ,
             that
             he
             fell
             fast
             asleep
             ,
             and
             slept
             behind
             the
             Table
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             these
             Objections
             you
             see
             what
             the
             weight
             of
             them
             is
             ,
             and
             how
             little
             the
             Evidence
             agree
             one
             with
             another
             ,
             but
             there
             is
             nothing
             that
             does
             contradict
             Mr.
             Smith
             in
             his
             main
             Evidence
             .
             'T
             is
             possible
             they
             may
             not
             remember
             particular
             Circumstances
             ,
             whether
             Mr.
             Colledge
             and
             Mr.
             Smith
             came
             together
             ,
             so
             they
             might
             come
             together
             for
             ought
             they
             know
             ,
             and
             they
             may
             not
             remember
             any
             Circumstance
             about
             their
             retiring
             ,
             but
             they
             can't
             take
             upon
             them
             to
             swear
             it
             is
             not
             so
             ,
             and
             their
             not
             remembring
             it
             does
             not
             prove
             it
             was
             not
             so
             ,
             and
             the
             Circumstance
             it self
             is
             so
             trivial
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             no
             necessity
             they
             should
             remember
             it
             .
             So
             then
             no
             Evidence
             that
             comes
             from
             Dr.
             Oates
             can
             take
             off
             that
             that
             is
             given
             by
             Smith
             ,
             tho'
             if
             Mr.
             Smith
             were
             out
             of
             the
             Case
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Haynes
             too
             ,
             yet
             there
             is
             Evidence
             sufficient
             from
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             and
             Mr.
             Turbervile
             who
             are
             not
             impeached
             ,
             and
             are
             both
             of
             them
             positive
             ,
             both
             to
             the
             Fact
             and
             to
             the
             place
             .
          
           
           
             There
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             more
             that
             I
             must
             mention
             ,
             and
             they
             are
             Balron
             and
             Mowbray
             ;
             They
             Swear
             that
             Smith
             Travelling
             upon
             the
             Road
             with
             them
             ,
             would
             have
             Subborned
             them
             to
             Swear
             against
             
               John
               Brooks
            
             ,
             about
             a
             Discourse
             at
             some
             place
             ;
             but
             it
             happened
             Gentlemen
             ,
             they
             differ
             in
             point
             of
             time
             in
             their
             Testimony
             ,
             the
             one
             said
             it
             was
             the
             25
             th
             .
             of
             July
             ,
             the
             other
             was
             positive
             it
             was
             the
             3
             d.
             of
             August
             .
             But
             I
             think
             I
             need
             say
             no
             more
             to
             these
             men
             ,
             but
             only
             to
             desire
             you
             to
             weigh
             their
             Credit
             .
             Balron
             and
             Mowbray
             I
             confess
             have
             been
             Evidence
             against
             several
             men
             that
             have
             been
             accused
             of
             the
             Popish-Plot
             ,
             but
             they
             have
             been
             so
             unfortunate
             ,
             as
             never
             to
             gain
             Credit
             with
             any
             Jury
             .
             Mr.
             Smith
             hath
             been
             believed
             by
             the
             whole
             Court
             of
             Parliament
             ;
             But
             if
             there
             were
             no
             more
             in
             the
             Case
             ,
             these
             are
             two
             men
             that
             never
             were
             yet
             believed
             ,
             men
             that
             have
             been
             Sworn
             in
             their
             own
             Country
             ,
             where
             they
             are
             well
             known
             ,
             and
             been
             Evidence
             upon
             Tryals
             ,
             but
             the
             Jury
             have
             rejected
             the
             Credit
             of
             their
             Testimony
             ▪
             But
             besides
             that
             ,
             comparing
             the
             Testimonies
             ,
             and
             the
             difference
             that
             was
             between
             them
             ,
             is
             a
             sufficient
             Evidence
             to
             Confront
             all
             that
             they
             have
             said
             .
          
           
             I
             think
             Gentlemen
             ,
             this
             is
             the
             Substance
             of
             what
             hath
             been
             offered
             by
             his
             Witnesses
             against
             the
             Witnesses
             produced
             for
             the
             King
             ▪
             except
             that
             of
             Mr.
             Everard
             ,
             who
             says
             something
             against
             Haynes
             ,
             that
             Haynes
             should
             say
             he
             Swore
             for
             Self-preservation
             ;
             And
             against
             Mr.
             Smith
             he
             says
             ,
             that
             he
             heard
             him
             say
             ,
             he
             did
             not
             know
             of
             any
             
               Presbyterian
               Plot.
            
             I
             believe
             that
             may
             be
             true
             ,
             and
             yet
             it
             does
             not
             contradict
             Smith's
             Evidence
             against
             Colledge
             ;
             for
             Mr.
             Smith
             does
             not
             tell
             you
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             privy
             to
             any
             such
             Design
             of
             the
             Presbyterians
             ,
             that
             he
             knows
             of
             any
             Consultations
             that
             they
             held
             ,
             or
             the
             ways
             and
             means
             by
             which
             they
             would
             arrive
             at
             the
             Treason
             Charged
             upon
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             but
             his
             Evidence
             is
             ,
             that
             this
             man
             declared
             there
             was
             such
             a
             Design
             ,
             that
             there
             was
             a
             Party
             would
             do
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             would
             be
             sure
             to
             be
             one
             ,
             and
             Armed
             himself
             for
             that
             purpose
             ;
             But
             his
             not
             being
             Privy
             to
             any
             Plot
             ,
             or
             knowing
             the
             particulars
             ,
             is
             no
             Contradiction
             to
             what
             he
             said
             .
          
           
             This
             is
             that
             he
             hath
             produced
             for
             his
             Defence
             ,
             and
             by
             these
             things
             he
             hath
             endeavoured
             to
             take
             off
             the
             Credit
             of
             our
             Witnesses
             ,
             and
             he
             would
             have
             you
             believe
             that
             he
             is
             a
             very
             good
             Protestant
             ,
             though
             he
             does
             that
             which
             no
             Protestant
             would
             do
             ,
             and
             which
             is
             the
             Papists
             work
             ,
             he
             hath
             produced
             you
             Witnesses
             that
             he
             has
             gone
             to
             Church
             ,
             but
             I
             do
             not
             see
             he
             hath
             produced
             any
             Witnesses
             at
             all
             that
             are
             now
             Conversant
             with
             him
             ,
             his
             own
             Parishoners
             in
             London
             ;
             but
             if
             he
             had
             brought
             never
             so
             many
             Witnesses
             of
             his
             going
             to
             Church
             ,
             and
             of
             his
             Conformableness
             to
             the
             Church
             ,
             yet
             if
             he
             were
             Guilty
             of
             these
             practices
             ,
             he
             must
             give
             me
             leave
             to
             suspect
             the
             Truth
             of
             his
             Profession
             ;
             and
             I
             think
             it
             a
             great
             piece
             of
             arrogance
             for
             him
             to
             take
             upon
             him
             the
             Title
             of
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             when
             he
             hath
             abused
             that
             Title
             by
             such
             unsuitable
             practices
             :
             And
             Gentlemen
             ,
             if
             such
             practices
             as
             these
             are
             ,
             which
             we
             have
             fully
             proved
             ,
             are
             such
             as
             all
             good
             men
             must
             abhor
             ,
             I
             cannot
             but
             reflect
             upon
             the
             condition
             of
             this
             man
             ,
             whose
             only
             hopes
             is
             ,
             that
             you
             should
             now
             forget
             your selves
             ,
             and
             become
             as
             ill
             as
             he
             is
             .
             But
             as
             that
             cannot
             be
             presumed
             ,
             so
             I
             shall
             not
             need
             to
             say
             any
             more
             to
             you
             ;
             you
             are
             men
             of
             that
             consideration
             that
             can
             judge
             between
             things
             ,
             and
             the
             appearances
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             know
             very
             well
             how
             to
             give
             the
             due
             weight
             to
             the
             Evidence
             we
             have
             given
             to
             you
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             the
             Objections
             made
             by
             the
             Prisoner
             ;
             and
             so
             Gentlemen
             I
             shall
             leave
             it
             to
             you
             .
          
           
             Mr.
             Serjeant
             Jeffries
             ,
             May
             it
             please
             your
             Lordship
             ,
             and
             you
             Gentlemen
             of
             the
             Jury
             ;
             It
             hath
             been
             a
             long
             time
             that
             hath
             been
             spent
             in
             the
             course
             of
             this
             Evidence
             ;
             whether
             there
             has
             been
             any
             Art
             or
             Design
             in
             protracting
             the
             time
             ,
             on
             purpose
             to
             obtrude
             upon
             the
             patience
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             or
             that
             you
             Gentlemen
             should
             forget
             the
             force
             of
             the
             Evidence
             that
             hath
             been
             given
             against
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             when
             there
             hath
             been
             so
             much
             time
             taken
             up
             unnecessarily
             ,
             when
             there
             was
             no
             occasion
             ,
             as
             I
             must
             needs
             say
             ,
             there
             was
             not
             for
             such
             a
             tedious
             Defence
             ,
             I
             leave
             It
             to
             you
             to
             determine
             :
             But
             that
             which
             was
             truly
             intimated
             by
             the
             Court
             at
             the
             beginning
             of
             the
             
             Tryal
             ,
             must
             in
             the
             end
             of
             this
             Cause
             be
             Repeated
             ,
             and
             indeed
             go
             through
             it
             all
             ,
             that
             we
             of
             the
             Kings
             Councel
             ,
             and
             what
             the
             Prisoner
             has
             affirmed
             ,
             that
             has
             not
             been
             given
             in
             proof
             ,
             signifying
             nothing
             ,
             and
             is
             not
             to
             be
             any
             guide
             at
             all
             to
             you
             .
             You
             are
             upon
             your
             Oaths
             ,
             and
             by
             the
             Oath
             you
             have
             taken
             you
             are
             bound
             in
             Conscience
             to
             give
             a
             Verdict
             according
             to
             the
             Evidence
             that
             has
             been
             given
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             your
             guide
             ;
             so
             that
             what
             we
             opened
             and
             have
             not
             proved
             ,
             is
             no
             more
             to
             be
             believed
             then
             what
             the
             Prisoner
             has
             said
             for
             himself
             in
             his
             own
             Defence
             ;
             and
             whatsoever
             he
             says
             ,
             if
             he
             make
             not
             good
             proof
             of
             it
             ,
             is
             no
             more
             to
             be
             regarded
             ,
             then
             what
             we
             who
             are
             for
             the
             King
             have
             alledged
             ,
             and
             not
             made
             out
             .
          
           
             So
             then
             this
             being
             in
             the
             first
             place
             premised
             ,
             I
             shall
             take
             care
             as
             near
             as
             I
             can
             to
             save
             the
             time
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             not
             to
             Trespass
             on
             your
             Patience
             Gentlemen
             unnecessarily
             ,
             in
             a
             Case
             whereupon
             as
             great
             a
             concern
             does
             depend
             ,
             as
             perhaps
             ever
             came
             to
             Tryal
             at
             any
             Bar
             :
             For
             I
             say
             't
             is
             a
             Case
             wherein
             the
             Life
             and
             the
             Liberty
             of
             the
             King
             is
             concerned
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             the
             great
             concern
             of
             the
             Nation
             ;
             the
             Religion
             of
             the
             Nation
             is
             concerned
             ;
             I
             would
             be
             understood
             aright
             ,
             I
             mean
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             established
             by
             Law
             ;
             for
             I
             know
             of
             no
             other
             Religion
             men
             ought
             to
             Sacrifice
             their
             Lives
             and
             Fortunes
             for
             ,
             but
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             established
             by
             Law
             ;
             and
             when
             these
             thing
             are
             concerned
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             Case
             of
             great
             consequence
             :
             God
             forbid
             any
             person
             ,
             Protestant
             ,
             or
             other
             ,
             should
             attempt
             the
             Life
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             the
             Subversion
             of
             our
             Religion
             ,
             and
             by
             Stiling
             themselves
             by
             the
             Name
             of
             Protestants
             ,
             should
             excuse
             themselves
             from
             any
             such
             Crimes
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             Evidence
             that
             has
             been
             given
             ,
             I
             shall
             not
             enumerate
             the
             Particulars
             against
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             other
             then
             such
             as
             have
             been
             omitted
             ,
             (
             If
             I
             mistake
             not
             ,
             )
             by
             Mr.
             Sollicitor
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             first
             place
             there
             are
             the
             things
             that
             hapened
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             for
             you
             have
             had
             it
             already
             sufficiently
             told
             you
             by
             my
             Lords
             the
             Judges
             who
             are
             upon
             the
             Bench
             ,
             and
             who
             (
             under
             Mr.
             Colledges
             favour
             )
             are
             the
             Prisoners
             Judges
             in
             point
             of
             Law
             ,
             as
             you
             are
             his
             Judges
             in
             point
             of
             Fact.
             They
             have
             (
             I
             say
             )
             already
             told
             you
             what
             the
             Law
             is
             in
             Relation
             to
             Treasons
             ;
             that
             in
             Case
             the
             Treason
             be
             in
             two
             Counties
             ,
             if
             the
             Witnesses
             speak
             to
             the
             self
             same
             Treason
             ,
             though
             to
             different
             Facts
             ,
             that
             will
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             prove
             High-Treason
             ;
             and
             that
             there
             hath
             been
             such
             a
             Case
             ,
             the
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             who
             he
             says
             is
             a
             Protestant
             (
             for
             his
             own
             Souls
             sake
             I
             wish
             he
             were
             a
             good
             one
             )
             must
             take
             notice
             ,
             that
             Gavan
             the
             great
             Priest
             who
             was
             Tryed
             at
             Newgate
             ,
             and
             Convicted
             ,
             by
             what
             Evidence
             ?
             By
             one
             of
             them
             that
             is
             a
             Witness
             now
             against
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             that
             is
             Dugdale
             ,
             his
             Treason
             was
             committed
             part
             in
             London
             ,
             part
             in
             the
             Country
             ,
             of
             which
             part
             Dugdale
             gave
             Evidence
             ;
             but
             being
             both
             to
             the
             self
             same
             purpose
             ,
             by
             the
             greater
             part
             of
             the
             Judges
             ,
             who
             were
             in
             the
             Commission
             ,
             and
             present
             at
             the
             Tryal
             ,
             they
             were
             reckoned
             a
             sufficient
             Testimony
             to
             prove
             him
             Guilty
             of
             High
             Treason
             :
             And
             I
             hope
             we
             do
             not
             live
             to
             that
             Age
             ,
             that
             any
             Protestant
             whatsoever
             should
             come
             to
             trip
             up
             the
             Heels
             of
             the
             Popish-Plot
             ▪
             by
             saying
             ,
             that
             any
             of
             them
             who
             suffered
             for
             it
             ,
             did
             die
             contrary
             to
             Law
             ,
             or
             without
             sufficient
             proof
             :
             For
             if
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             was
             not
             a
             person
             fit
             to
             be
             believed
             ;
             or
             if
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             Judges
             who
             Tryed
             Gavan
             were
             out
             in
             the
             Law
             ,
             then
             that
             man
             died
             wrongfully
             ;
             for
             he
             had
             as
             much
             right
             to
             have
             been
             Tryed
             according
             to
             the
             Law
             ,
             as
             any
             other
             person
             whatsoever
             .
             Therefore
             Gentlemen
             ,
             as
             to
             that
             matter
             ,
             we
             must
             submit
             it
             to
             my
             Lords
             the
             Judges
             ,
             who
             are
             to
             give
             you
             an
             Account
             what
             the
             Law
             is
             in
             all
             particulars
             before
             you
             ;
             but
             as
             to
             the
             Fact
             whereof
             You
             are
             Judges
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             great
             matter
             we
             shall
             apply
             our selves
             to
             ,
             and
             for
             that
             it
             stands
             thus
             .
          
           
             Here
             is
             Dugdale
             that
             does
             give
             you
             an
             Accompt
             what
             his
             Design
             was
             in
             coming
             to
             Oxford
             ;
             how
             he
             came
             to
             be
             armed
             as
             an
             Index
             (
             Gentleman
             )
             of
             his
             mind
             .
             And
             pray
             give
             me
             leave
             to
             put
             you
             in
             mind
             of
             one
             thing
             .
             You
             have
             first
             a
             Libel
             produced
             ,
             
             and
             read
             to
             you
             ;
             a
             pretended
             Letter
             ,
             wherein
             there
             are
             Quaeries
             that
             have
             been
             taken
             notice
             of
             ,
             and
             which
             seem
             to
             back
             the
             Evidence
             given
             by
             Mr.
             Masters
             :
             for
             there
             is
             a
             Vindication
             in
             those
             Queries
             of
             the
             proceedings
             of
             that
             Parliament
             of
             41.
             which
             he
             has
             confidence
             enough
             now
             at
             the
             Barr
             to
             justifie
             too
             .
             But
             Gentlemen
             you
             were
             told
             by
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             you
             know
             it
             ,
             That
             that
             Parliament
             was
             guilty
             of
             High
             Rebellion
             ;
             And
             even
             in
             those
             Quaeries
             he
             asperses
             not
             only
             the
             Government
             ,
             but
             every
             man
             that
             has
             any
             Concern
             in
             it
             ;
             for
             it
             takes
             notice
             not
             only
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             but
             of
             all
             His
             Council
             .
             Never
             a
             Judge
             nor
             an
             Officer
             in
             the
             Nation
             but
             is
             traduced
             by
             it
             ;
             and
             which
             is
             most
             material
             ,
             it
             was
             the
             Foundation
             of
             that
             Libel
             which
             has
             been
             mentioned
             to
             you
             ,
             and
             which
             
               Fitz
               Haris
            
             was
             so
             justly
             condemned
             and
             executed
             for
             ,
             that
             most
             Traiterous
             and
             Infamous
             Libel
             in
             part
             of
             it
             has
             these
             Quaeries
             ,
             and
             a
             great
             Paragraph
             of
             this
             Libel
             makes
             up
             part
             of
             that
             Libel
             of
             
               Fitz
               Harris
            
             ,
             which
             our
             Witnesses
             say
             Mr.
             Colledge
             was
             pleased
             to
             affirm
             was
             as
             true
             as
             God
             is
             in
             Heaven
             .
             Another
             thing
             is
             this
             ,
             This
             Gentleman
             whose
             proper
             business
             it
             had
             been
             to
             manage
             his
             Employment
             at
             London
             for
             a
             Joyner
             ,
             is
             best
             seen
             in
             his
             proper
             place
             ,
             usiing
             the
             proper
             Tools
             of
             his
             Trade
             .
             I
             think
             it
             had
             been
             much
             more
             proper
             for
             him
             ▪
             and
             I
             believe
             you
             will
             think
             so
             too
             ,
             then
             to
             come
             with
             Pistols
             and
             all
             those
             Accoutrements
             about
             him
             ,
             to
             be
             regulating
             of
             the
             Government
             ;
             what
             have
             such
             People
             to
             do
             to
             interfere
             with
             the
             business
             of
             the
             Government
             ,
             God
             be
             thanked
             we
             have
             a
             wise
             Prince
             ,
             and
             God
             be
             thanked
             he
             hath
             wise
             Counsellours
             about
             him
             ,
             and
             He
             and
             they
             know
             well
             enough
             how
             to
             do
             their
             own
             business
             ,
             and
             not
             to
             need
             the
             Advice
             of
             a
             Joyner
             ,
             tho'
             he
             calls
             himself
             
               The
               Protestant
               Joyner
            
             .
             What
             had
             he
             to
             do
             to
             engage
             himself
             ,
             before
             his
             Advice
             was
             required
             ?
             How
             comes
             he
             to
             concern
             himself
             so
             much
             that
             after
             he
             had
             writ
             this
             Libel
             wherein
             he
             is
             pleased
             to
             take
             notice
             of
             Tyrants
             afterwards
             should
             go
             to
             make
             a
             Print
             ,
             I
             mean
             the
             
               Rare
               Shew
            
             ;
             and
             when
             Dugdale
             comes
             to
             inquire
             of
             him
             what
             do
             you
             mean
             by
             such
             a
             thing
             ,
             
               the
               Tyrant
               shall
               go
               down
            
             ?
             Says
             he
             ,
             I
             mean
             by
             that
             
               the
               King.
            
             And
             what
             do
             you
             mean
             by
             having
             them
             go
             to
             Breda
             ?
             Why
             there
             he
             explains
             it
             ,
             that
             he
             puts
             all
             the
             Government
             ,
             the
             Lords
             and
             the
             Bishops
             upon
             the
             Kings
             Back
             ,
             and
             being
             asked
             what
             he
             meant
             to
             have
             done
             with
             them
             ,
             Why
             the
             Bishops
             ,
             and
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             all
             were
             to
             go
             to
             Breda
             .
             These
             are
             the
             things
             that
             himself
             did
             acknowledge
             he
             was
             the
             Author
             of
             ,
             and
             these
             Prints
             he
             did
             cause
             to
             be
             made
             ,
             and
             he
             is
             the
             person
             that
             gives
             you
             an
             Account
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             but
             the
             conception
             and
             imagination
             of
             Dugdale
             ,
             that
             Rowley
             meant
             the
             King
             ;
             but
             Dugdale
             being
             called
             again
             ,
             he
             tells
             you
             after
             some
             time
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             under
             some
             difficulty
             to
             know
             the
             meaning
             of
             it
             ;
             and
             then
             Colledge
             tells
             him
             it
             was
             meant
             the
             King
             ▪
             and
             so
             he
             expounded
             it
             to
             him
             .
             And
             so
             Smith
             tells
             you
             of
             that
             same
             name
             of
             
               Old
               Rowley
            
             again
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             Thus
             I
             tell
             you
             what
             hath
             been
             omitted
             .
             The
             Evidence
             hath
             been
             long
             ,
             and
             therefore
             we
             must
             be
             pardoned
             ,
             if
             we
             can't
             exactly
             repeat
             it
             .
             This
             is
             the
             Evidence
             that
             was
             done
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             the
             next
             is
             Mr.
             Smith
             ,
             who
             speaks
             of
             what
             was
             done
             in
             London
             ,
             and
             he
             is
             an
             Evidence
             both
             as
             to
             the
             word
             Rowley
             ,
             as
             to
             the
             coming
             with
             Arms
             ,
             and
             as
             to
             the
             declaring
             to
             what
             end
             he
             came
             ,
             and
             what
             he
             had
             done
             ,
             Mr.
             Haynes
             he
             tells
             you
             both
             before
             and
             after
             the
             same
             ,
             and
             that
             I
             must
             take
             notice
             of
             to
             you
             ,
             Mr.
             Smith
             does
             particularly
             say
             ,
             he
             used
             those
             words
             ,
             which
             I
             hope
             every
             honest
             man
             ,
             and
             every
             good
             man
             ,
             that
             desires
             to
             preserve
             the
             Government
             according
             to
             Law
             ,
             will
             hear
             with
             the
             greatest
             detestation
             and
             abhorrence
             ;
             he
             talked
             of
             the
             taking
             away
             the
             Life
             of
             the
             late
             King
             of
             blessed
             memory
             at
             such
             an
             impudent
             rate
             ,
             that
             every
             true
             Protestants
             Blood
             would
             curdle
             at
             the
             hearing
             of
             it
             .
             And
             this
             he
             said
             not
             only
             to
             Mr.
             Masters
             ,
             but
             he
             justified
             it
             to
             Mr.
             Smith
             too
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             next
             place
             you
             have
             Turbervile
             ,
             who
             gives
             you
             all
             the
             reasons
             ,
             how
             he
             did
             not
             only
             tell
             of
             these
             things
             himself
             ,
             but
             encouraged
             him
             to
             prepare
             himself
             accordingly
             ,
             and
             he
             gave
             him
             a
             Mark
             ,
             a
             Ribbon
             with
             
               No
               Popery
               ▪
               no
               Slavery
            
             .
             These
             were
             Marks
             whereby
             they
             were
             to
             be
             known
             ,
             and
             they
             were
             to
             be
             one
             and
             all
             ,
             as
             they
             call
             it
             ,
             that
             ,
             when
             such
             a
             blow
             was
             struck
             ,
             they
             should
             be
             ready
             to
             fall
             in
             .
             There
             is
             one
             thing
             more
             that
             I
             take
             notice
             of
             ,
             that
             is
             ,
             what
             was
             said
             by
             a
             Gentleman
             Sir
             
               William
               
               Jennings
            
             ,
             which
             is
             a
             Confirmation
             of
             all
             the
             other
             Evidence
             ,
             that
             Gentleman
             who
             hath
             appeared
             to
             you
             to
             be
             a
             man
             of
             Honour
             even
             by
             the
             Confession
             of
             Mr.
             Colledge
             himself
             ,
             and
             by
             his
             own
             words
             ,
             for
             he
             said
             like
             an
             honest
             man
             ,
             and
             like
             a
             Loyal
             man
             too
             ,
             that
             he
             would
             rather
             engage
             himself
             in
             three
             dangers
             for
             the
             Service
             of
             the
             King
             at
             Sea
             ,
             than
             come
             in
             cold
             Blood
             to
             give
             Evidence
             against
             a
             man
             for
             his
             Life
             at
             the
             Bar.
             And
             yet
             this
             man
             who
             tells
             you
             this
             of
             himself
             ▪
             and
             that
             very
             Person
             whom
             Colledge
             himself
             calls
             a
             
               Worthy
               Person
            
             ,
             hath
             given
             you
             this
             Accompt
             ,
             that
             when
             he
             told
             him
             his
             Nose
             bled
             ,
             he
             answer'd
             him
             ,
             it
             was
             the
             first
             Blood
             lost
             in
             the
             Cause
             ,
             but
             it
             would
             not
             be
             long
             e're
             there
             was
             more
             lost
             ;
             an
             excellent
             Cause
             for
             a
             man
             to
             venture
             his
             Blood
             in
             .
             When
             he
             was
             told
             of
             this
             ,
             he
             began
             to
             put
             it
             off
             ,
             and
             to
             use
             his
             own
             words
             ,
             had
             a
             great
             mind
             to
             sham
             off
             the
             business
             ,
             but
             in
             Truth
             there
             was
             no
             Answer
             given
             to
             it
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             the
             Objections
             that
             have
             been
             made
             against
             the
             Evidence
             that
             have
             not
             been
             taken
             notice
             of
             ,
             I
             desire
             to
             take
             notice
             of
             .
             I
             think
             against
             three
             of
             them
             there
             has
             been
             only
             Mr.
             Oates
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Oates
             I
             confess
             has
             said
             
               in
               verbo
               Sacerdotis
            
             strange
             things
             against
             
               Dugdale
               ,
               Smith
            
             and
             Turbervile
             .
             I
             have
             only
             the
             Affirmation
             of
             Mr.
             Oates
             ,
             and
             as
             ill
             men
             may
             become
             good
             men
             ,
             so
             may
             good
             men
             become
             ill
             men
             ;
             or
             otherwise
             I
             know
             not
             what
             would
             become
             of
             some
             part
             of
             Mr.
             Oates's
             Testimony
             .
             And
             in
             the
             next
             place
             ,
             if
             these
             men
             have
             not
             sworn
             true
             I
             am
             sure
             Mr.
             Oates
             must
             stand
             alone
             in
             the
             greatest
             point
             ,
             in
             which
             all
             the
             Evidence
             agree
             ,
             that
             is
             the
             Popish
             Plot.
             
          
           
             But
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             must
             take
             notice
             to
             you
             ,
             that
             it
             is
             strange
             to
             me
             ,
             that
             ever
             you
             upon
             your
             Consciences
             should
             perjure
             three
             men
             who
             positively
             upon
             their
             Oaths
             deny
             any
             such
             Discourses
             as
             Mr.
             Oates
             speaks
             of
             against
             them
             ,
             I
             do
             put
             that
             upon
             your
             Consciences
             whether
             you
             upon
             the
             bare
             Affirmation
             of
             Mr.
             Oates
             in
             this
             place
             will
             convict
             three
             men
             upon
             whose
             Testimony
             the
             Lives
             of
             so
             many
             as
             have
             suffered
             ,
             have
             been
             taken
             away
             ,
             and
             as
             we
             Protestants
             do
             believe
             justly
             .
             I
             say
             ,
             whether
             you
             will
             do
             it
             upon
             the
             bare
             Affirmation
             of
             Mr.
             Oates
             against
             their
             Oaths
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             next
             place
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             Besides
             the
             positive
             Evidence
             of
             these
             Gentlemen
             ,
             there
             is
             a
             Circumstance
             of
             improbability
             in
             the
             very
             words
             which
             he
             speaks
             of
             ,
             Will
             any
             man
             tell
             me
             ,
             that
             after
             such
             time
             as
             men
             have
             given
             their
             Oaths
             ,
             as
             Smith
             had
             given
             his
             that
             he
             was
             concerned
             ,
             and
             so
             had
             Dugdale
             and
             Turbervile
             too
             ,
             that
             these
             men
             should
             come
             and
             voluntarily
             tell
             Mr.
             Oates
             they
             were
             all
             forsworn
             ,
             are
             these
             men
             such
             great
             Coxcombs
             as
             he
             would
             have
             us
             to
             believe
             ?
             Is
             it
             so
             probable
             a
             thing
             ,
             that
             any
             men
             of
             common
             knowledge
             would
             do
             it
             ?
             Do
             you
             think
             a
             man
             of
             that
             knowledge
             and
             consideration
             ,
             as
             Smith
             is
             an
             allowed
             Scholar
             ,
             and
             a
             man
             of
             known
             Learning
             ,
             and
             Mr.
             Dugdale
             who
             has
             been
             reckoned
             by
             all
             men
             to
             be
             a
             good
             Evidence
             ;
             do
             you
             take
             these
             men
             to
             be
             such
             absolute
             Novices
             ,
             that
             they
             must
             seek
             an
             occasion
             to
             tell
             him
             they
             were
             Bribed
             off
             and
             were
             Forsworn
             ?
             If
             you
             can
             think
             this
             ,
             and
             if
             a
             bare
             Affirmation
             against
             these
             positive
             Oaths
             can
             prevail
             ;
             Gentlemen
             upon
             your
             Consciences
             be
             it
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             next
             place
             ,
             't
             is
             a
             strange
             sort
             of
             thing
             to
             believe
             that
             Mr.
             Smith
             should
             come
             out
             of
             a
             Coffee-House
             ,
             where
             a
             Quarrel
             is
             pretended
             to
             have
             been
             between
             him
             and
             Colledge
             ,
             but
             Mr.
             Smith
             does
             upon
             his
             Oath
             say
             he
             never
             had
             any
             such
             Quarrel
             with
             him
             ,
             and
             that
             he
             should
             fall
             a
             damning
             and
             sinking
             against
             Colledge
             ,
             and
             against
             the
             Gospel
             ,
             that
             there
             should
             be
             such
             impudence
             in
             the
             world
             in
             any
             man
             as
             to
             desire
             or
             wish
             such
             a
             thing
             ?
             Gentlemen
             ,
             these
             are
             strange
             sorts
             of
             Apprehensions
             ,
             and
             men
             must
             have
             very
             strange
             thoughts
             ,
             that
             can
             strain
             themselves
             up
             to
             the
             belief
             of
             them
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             next
             place
             here
             it
             is
             said
             by
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             Good
             Lord
             !
             What
             a
             condition
             we
             shall
             be
             in
             !
             Here
             is
             a
             Plot
             put
             upon
             the
             Protestants
             ,
             I
             hope
             in
             God
             there
             is
             no
             Protestant
             Plot
             ,
             but
             I
             also
             hope
             the
             whole
             Interest
             of
             the
             Protestant
             Religion
             is
             not
             involved
             in
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             and
             all
             will
             be
             destroyed
             ,
             if
             Mr.
             Colledge
             dies
             for
             his
             Treasons
             .
             Gentlemen
             ,
             the
             Question
             is
             not
             whether
             there
             be
             a
             Presbyterian
             or
             Protestant
             
             Plot
             ,
             we
             declare
             we
             know
             of
             none
             ,
             but
             whether
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             have
             spoken
             such
             words
             ,
             and
             done
             such
             things
             as
             are
             Sworn
             against
             him
             .
             And
             I
             would
             fain
             know
             what
             all
             the
             Discourses
             we
             have
             had
             about
             Irish
             Witnesses
             and
             Papists
             signifie
             ,
             when
             in
             all
             the
             course
             of
             our
             Evidence
             ,
             there
             has
             been
             but
             one
             Irish
             ,
             and
             never
             a
             Papist
             .
             But
             here
             have
             been
             great
             Discourses
             about
             Macnamarra
             and
             Denis
             ,
             and
             what
             it
             hath
             been
             for
             ,
             but
             to
             make
             a
             noise
             ,
             and
             raise
             a
             dust
             ,
             I
             can't
             tell
             ,
             for
             in
             this
             Cause
             there
             has
             not
             been
             one
             Irish
             man
             besides
             Haines
             ,
             and
             never
             a
             Papist
             throughout
             the
             whole
             Evidence
             :
             So
             that
             it
             is
             easie
             ,
             if
             men
             think
             it
             will
             take
             with
             the
             Auditory
             ,
             for
             a
             person
             to
             cry
             out
             ,
             
               Oh
               Lord
               !
               we
               are
               all
               like
               to
               be
               undone
               ,
               here
               are
            
             Irish
             
               Witnesses
               brought
               against
               us
            
             ;
             and
             yet
             after
             all
             this
             stir
             ,
             there
             is
             but
             one
             Irish
             Witness
             ,
             and
             never
             a
             Papist
             .
             And
             as
             for
             him
             ,
             Truely
             Gentlemen
             I
             must
             take
             notice
             ,
             that
             even
             Colledge
             himself
             ,
             till
             such
             time
             as
             he
             was
             taken
             ,
             reckoned
             him
             an
             Honest
             man.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Never
             in
             my
             Life
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr
             Serjeant
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             so
             said
             .
             But
             I
             do
             say
             Gentlemen
             ,
             suppose
             (
             which
             I
             do
             not
             admit
             )
             that
             the
             Irish
             man
             he
             speaks
             of
             be
             out
             of
             the
             Case
             ;
             not
             that
             the
             Country
             is
             an
             Objection
             against
             any
             mans
             Testimony
             ,
             God
             forbid
             it
             should
             be
             so
             affirmed
             ;
             for
             Truth
             is
             not
             confined
             to
             places
             ,
             nor
             to
             persons
             neither
             ,
             but
             applyed
             to
             all
             Honest
             men
             ,
             be
             they
             Irish
             men
             or
             others
             ;
             but
             I
             say
             ,
             set
             Mr.
             Haynes
             out
             of
             the
             Case
             :
             Suppose
             there
             was
             no
             such
             man
             as
             Haynes
             in
             this
             Case
             ;
             yet
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             Gentlemen
             ,
             you
             have
             as
             great
             a
             proof
             as
             possibly
             can
             be
             .
          
           
             In
             the
             next
             place
             ,
             I
             must
             take
             notice
             to
             you
             of
             some
             Account
             that
             hath
             been
             given
             of
             him
             by
             himself
             :
             It
             is
             wonderful
             strange
             when
             there
             was
             that
             kindness
             of
             intimation
             given
             by
             the
             Court
             ,
             that
             he
             should
             do
             well
             to
             prove
             his
             Loyalty
             ,
             as
             well
             as
             his
             Religion
             ,
             that
             he
             did
             not
             produce
             some
             of
             his
             later
             Acquaintance
             .
             If
             this
             man
             that
             makes
             himself
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             would
             have
             it
             believed
             he
             is
             such
             ,
             I
             wish
             he
             would
             have
             brought
             some
             of
             those
             men
             that
             knew
             him
             at
             London
             to
             give
             you
             some
             account
             of
             him
             ,
             and
             not
             to
             stretch
             backward
             16
             years
             to
             prove
             his
             Birth
             and
             Education
             ;
             that
             is
             not
             the
             best
             account
             sure
             a
             man
             can
             give
             of
             himself
             ,
             to
             say
             after
             he
             hath
             been
             talking
             at
             this
             disloyal
             rate
             ,
             that
             he
             is
             a
             good
             Protestant
             ,
             because
             he
             was
             thought
             so
             18
             years
             ago
             .
          
           
             Again
             in
             the
             next
             place
             ,
             here
             is
             an
             account
             of
             the
             Libels
             given
             by
             the
             old
             Woman
             that
             is
             his
             Sister
             :
             Truly
             she
             would
             have
             it
             ,
             and
             that
             is
             another
             Libel
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             as
             though
             the
             man
             in
             the
             Red
             Coat
             with
             
               R.
               C.
            
             upon
             it
             ,
             had
             dropped
             this
             kind
             of
             Libel
             in
             his
             House
             ,
             and
             so
             he
             or
             some
             body
             else
             put
             a
             trick
             upon
             him
             ;
             and
             because
             she
             would
             inveigle
             you
             to
             such
             an
             interpretation
             ,
             she
             says
             that
             they
             staid
             behind
             till
             the
             man
             in
             the
             Red
             Coat
             had
             fetched
             away
             the
             Shavings
             ,
             and
             so
             here
             is
             a
             new
             Sham-Plot
             to
             be
             put
             upon
             the
             Prisoner
             ,
             by
             dropping
             Papers
             in
             his
             House
             ;
             a
             pretty
             kind
             of
             insinuation
             .
             But
             Gentlemen
             ,
             against
             the
             Evidence
             of
             this
             Woman
             ,
             you
             have
             the
             very
             person
             that
             was
             there
             ,
             the
             Officer
             ,
             who
             swears
             that
             he
             and
             his
             Fellows
             came
             before
             the
             Watermen
             into
             the
             House
             :
             But
             I
             suppose
             you
             observe
             how
             that
             notable
             talking
             Maid
             and
             she
             does
             agree
             ,
             for
             the
             Maid
             tells
             you
             there
             came
             a
             strange
             Fellow
             seven
             weeks
             before
             ,
             delivered
             these
             things
             into
             her
             hands
             ,
             her
             Master
             was
             abroad
             ,
             and
             she
             was
             not
             to
             enquire
             whence
             they
             came
             ,
             or
             
             what
             they
             were
             ,
             but
             paid
             him
             6
             d.
             for
             bringing
             those
             things
             .
             Now
             't
             is
             very
             strange
             that
             the
             Maid
             should
             pay
             for
             the
             bringing
             of
             those
             things
             ,
             and
             yet
             after
             that
             should
             imagine
             that
             some
             body
             else
             should
             put
             them
             there
             .
          
           
             But
             now
             Gentlemen
             ,
             in
             the
             next
             place
             ,
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             another
             thing
             which
             I
             would
             beg
             you
             to
             take
             notice
             of
             :
             Here
             are
             two
             Gentlemen
             ,
             Mr.
             Balron
             and
             Mr.
             Mowbray
             ,
             and
             they
             have
             given
             you
             an
             account
             that
             they
             have
             been
             Evidence
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             they
             did
             well
             in
             it
             ,
             but
             it
             hath
             been
             their
             misfortune
             hitherto
             they
             have
             not
             been
             believed
             ;
             but
             whether
             they
             have
             been
             believed
             or
             not
             before
             ,
             is
             no
             guidance
             to
             you
             at
             this
             time
             ,
             but
             that
             which
             is
             to
             guide
             you
             is
             ,
             whether
             or
             not
             they
             have
             given
             you
             now
             a
             Testimony
             that
             you
             in
             your
             Consciences
             can
             believe
             .
             Now
             can
             you
             believe
             what
             they
             have
             said
             ,
             nay
             can
             you
             believe
             it
             without
             any
             Circumstance
             to
             confirm
             it
             ,
             against
             those
             express
             Objections
             that
             arise
             from
             themselves
             ,
             and
             against
             the
             Oath
             of
             the
             person
             ,
             when
             the
             one
             tells
             you
             so
             exactly
             of
             the
             25th
             .
             26th
             .
             27th
             .
             and
             28th
             .
             of
             July
             ,
             and
             the
             other
             tells
             you
             that
             Smith
             took
             Post
             ,
             and
             yet
             overtook
             them
             not
             till
             the
             Sunday
             after
             ,
             which
             was
             the
             3d.
             of
             August
             ;
             and
             when
             the
             Almanack
             is
             produced
             ,
             it
             was
             so
             far
             from
             making
             out
             what
             they
             spake
             of
             to
             be
             the
             same
             time
             ,
             that
             whereas
             one
             said
             he
             came
             to
             London
             the
             28th
             .
             the
             others
             Almanack
             says
             it
             was
             the
             27th
             .
             then
             pray
             how
             do
             these
             persons
             agree
             ,
             when
             the
             one
             says
             that
             Mr.
             Smith
             talked
             with
             him
             upon
             the
             Road
             the
             28th
             .
             and
             the
             other
             says
             that
             they
             came
             to
             London
             the
             27th
             .
             These
             are
             Circumstances
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             that
             you
             must
             weigh
             ,
             and
             you
             may
             bring
             the
             North
             and
             the
             South
             together
             as
             soon
             as
             their
             two
             Testimonies
             ,
             they
             are
             so
             far
             asunder
             .
             Besides
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             hope
             you
             take
             notice
             of
             a
             person
             that
             was
             sworn
             ,
             a
             person
             of
             some
             quality
             ,
             a
             Scholar
             in
             the
             University
             here
             ,
             that
             says
             Balron
             (
             though
             he
             denied
             it
             )
             did
             shew
             him
             one
             of
             these
             Pictures
             ,
             and
             did
             discover
             they
             were
             Mr.
             Colledges
             ;
             and
             Balron
             himself
             ,
             his
             own
             Witness
             ,
             tells
             you
             that
             he
             did
             acknowledge
             one
             of
             those
             Pictures
             was
             his
             .
             It
             appears
             then
             how
             busie
             he
             was
             ,
             and
             concerned
             himself
             in
             what
             belonged
             not
             to
             his
             Profession
             .
          
           
             So
             that
             upon
             the
             whole
             matter
             ,
             after
             this
             long
             Evidence
             that
             hath
             been
             given
             ,
             I
             must
             wholly
             appeal
             to
             your
             Lordship
             and
             the
             Jury
             ;
             as
             to
             the
             Law
             ,
             to
             your
             Lordship
             and
             the
             Court
             ;
             and
             as
             to
             the
             Fact
             ,
             to
             the
             Jury
             :
             for
             I
             do
             not
             desire
             any
             sort
             of
             Evidence
             should
             be
             strained
             against
             a
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             who
             is
             there
             to
             be
             tryed
             for
             his
             Life
             .
             God
             forbid
             if
             he
             be
             Innocent
             ,
             but
             he
             should
             be
             acquitted
             ;
             but
             on
             the
             other
             side
             ,
             consider
             the
             Murder
             of
             that
             great
             King
             of
             ever
             blessed
             memory
             is
             before
             you
             ,
             and
             remember
             that
             base
             reflection
             which
             the
             Witnesses
             tell
             you
             of
             upon
             that
             horrid
             Action
             ;
             and
             as
             a
             great
             Evidence
             ,
             remember
             that
             seeming
             Vindication
             of
             it
             at
             the
             Bar
             ,
             which
             certainly
             no
             English
             man
             ,
             no
             Protestant
             according
             to
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             ,
             can
             hear
             without
             having
             his
             Bloud
             stirred
             in
             him
             .
             And
             these
             things
             are
             not
             only
             testified
             by
             Dugdale
             and
             Smith
             ,
             but
             by
             Gentlemen
             of
             known
             reputation
             and
             quality
             ;
             and
             he
             hath
             a
             little
             discover'd
             himself
             by
             that
             defence
             he
             hath
             made
             against
             their
             Testimony
             .
             But
             know
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             that
             the
             King
             is
             concerned
             ,
             your
             Religion
             is
             concerned
             ,
             that
             Plot
             that
             is
             so
             much
             agreed
             to
             by
             all
             Pretestants
             is
             concerned
             ;
             for
             if
             
               Dugdale
               ,
               
               Smith
            
             and
             Turbervile
             be
             not
             to
             be
             believed
             ,
             you
             trip
             up
             the
             heels
             of
             all
             the
             Evidence
             and
             discovery
             of
             that
             Plot.
             Then
             I
             will
             conclude
             to
             you
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             and
             appeal
             to
             your
             Consciences
             ,
             for
             according
             to
             the
             Oath
             that
             has
             been
             given
             to
             you
             ,
             you
             are
             bound
             in
             your
             Consciences
             to
             go
             according
             to
             your
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             are
             neither
             to
             be
             inveigled
             by
             us
             beyond
             our
             proof
             ,
             nor
             to
             be
             guided
             by
             your
             Commiseration
             to
             the
             Prisoner
             at
             the
             Bar
             against
             the
             proof
             ;
             for
             as
             God
             will
             call
             you
             to
             an
             account
             if
             you
             do
             an
             injury
             to
             him
             ,
             so
             will
             the
             same
             God
             call
             you
             to
             account
             if
             you
             do
             it
             to
             your
             King
             ,
             to
             your
             Religion
             ,
             and
             to
             your
             own
             Souls
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             shall
             detain
             you
             but
             a
             little
             ,
             and
             shall
             be
             as
             short
             as
             I
             can
             ,
             for
             your
             patience
             has
             been
             much
             exercised
             already
             :
             It
             is
             a
             burden
             ,
             and
             a
             necessary
             one
             that
             lies
             upon
             us
             all
             ,
             for
             there
             is
             nothing
             more
             necessary
             than
             that
             such
             Tryals
             as
             these
             should
             be
             intire
             and
             publick
             ,
             intire
             for
             the
             dispatch
             of
             them
             ,
             and
             publick
             for
             the
             satisfaction
             of
             the
             World
             ,
             that
             it
             may
             appear
             no
             man
             receives
             his
             Condemnation
             without
             Evidence
             ,
             and
             that
             no
             man
             is
             acquitted
             against
             Evidence
             .
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             there
             are
             these
             two
             Considerations
             in
             all
             Cases
             of
             this
             nature
             ;
             the
             one
             is
             ,
             the
             force
             of
             the
             Evidence
             ;
             the
             other
             is
             ,
             the
             truth
             of
             the
             Evidence
             .
             As
             to
             the
             force
             of
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             that
             is
             a
             point
             in
             Law
             that
             belongs
             to
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             wherein
             the
             Court
             is
             to
             direct
             you
             ;
             as
             to
             the
             truth
             of
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             that
             is
             a
             question
             in
             Fact
             arising
             from
             the
             Witnesses
             ,
             and
             must
             be
             left
             upon
             them
             ,
             whereof
             you
             are
             the
             proper
             Judges
             .
          
           
             As
             to
             the
             force
             of
             the
             Evidence
             in
             this
             Case
             ,
             it
             must
             be
             consider'd
             what
             the
             Charge
             is
             ;
             it
             is
             the
             compassing
             the
             death
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             and
             conspiring
             to
             seize
             the
             Person
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             which
             is
             the
             same
             thing
             in
             effect
             ;
             for
             even
             by
             the
             Common
             Law
             ,
             or
             upon
             the
             interpretation
             of
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             25th
             .
             of
             Edw.
             3.
             that
             mentions
             compassing
             the
             death
             of
             the
             King
             to
             be
             Treason
             ,
             it
             hath
             always
             been
             resolved
             ,
             That
             whosoever
             shall
             imagine
             to
             depose
             the
             King
             ,
             or
             imprison
             the
             King
             ,
             are
             guilty
             of
             imagining
             the
             death
             of
             the
             King
             ;
             for
             they
             are
             things
             that
             depend
             one
             upon
             another
             :
             and
             never
             was
             any
             King
             deposed
             or
             imprisoned
             ,
             but
             with
             an
             intention
             to
             be
             put
             to
             death
             ,
             they
             are
             in
             consequences
             the
             same
             thing
             .
          
           
             Now
             Gentlemen
             ,
             in
             Cases
             of
             Treason
             the
             Law
             is
             so
             tender
             of
             the
             Life
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             the
             very
             Imagination
             of
             the
             heart
             is
             Treason
             ,
             if
             there
             be
             any
             thought
             concerning
             any
             such
             thing
             ;
             but
             then
             it
             must
             be
             manifested
             by
             some
             Overt-act
             ,
             upon
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             25th
             .
             of
             Edw.
             3.
             but
             upon
             the
             Statute
             of
             the
             13th
             .
             of
             this
             King
             ,
             made
             for
             the
             preservation
             of
             the
             King's
             person
             ,
             if
             it
             be
             manifested
             by
             malicious
             and
             advised
             speaking
             ,
             't
             is
             sufficient
             .
             This
             is
             as
             to
             the
             Charge
             ,
             and
             as
             to
             the
             Law
             concerning
             that
             Charge
             ,
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             there
             must
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             in
             the
             Case
             .
          
           
             Now
             then
             for
             the
             force
             of
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             the
             question
             will
             arise
             there
             ,
             whether
             this
             Evidence
             ,
             admitting
             it
             to
             be
             true
             ,
             is
             sufficient
             to
             maintain
             the
             Indictment
             ;
             so
             that
             if
             there
             be
             two
             Witnesses
             ,
             you
             must
             find
             him
             Guilty
             .
             Now
             as
             to
             this
             ,
             Gentlemen
             ,
             the
             Prisoner
             has
             before-hand
             called
             upon
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             had
             their
             resolution
             ;
             and
             I
             hope
             you
             will
             remember
             what
             hath
             been
             said
             ,
             and
             I
             shall
             have
             occasion
             to
             trouble
             you
             the
             less
             .
             There
             have
             been
             six
             Witnesses
             produced
             for
             the
             King
             ;
             there
             are
             
             two
             of
             them
             ,
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             and
             Mr.
             Masters
             ,
             that
             are
             some
             way
             applicable
             to
             the
             Case
             ,
             though
             they
             do
             not
             go
             to
             the
             Treason
             ,
             they
             are
             only
             to
             inferr
             the
             probability
             of
             the
             Treason
             .
             This
             of
             Sir
             
               William
               Jennings
            
             ,
             was
             upon
             the
             occasion
             of
             the
             bleeding
             of
             the
             Prisoners
             Nose
             ,
             after
             his
             quarrel
             with
             Fitz-Gerald
             ,
             when
             he
             said
             ,
             
               He
               had
               lost
               the
               first
               bloud
               ,
               and
               it
               would
               not
               be
               long
               e're
               there
               would
               be
               more
               lost
            
             ;
             which
             shews
             there
             were
             some
             extraordinary
             thoughts
             in
             his
             heart
             ,
             concerning
             some
             divisions
             ,
             quarrels
             ,
             and
             fighting
             that
             he
             expected
             should
             be
             .
             That
             which
             Mr.
             Masters
             has
             said
             ,
             (
             besides
             what
             he
             offered
             concerning
             his
             Principles
             in
             justifying
             the
             Long
             Parliament
             )
             was
             this
             ,
             that
             when
             he
             called
             him
             Colonel
             ,
             
               Marry
               mock
               not
            
             ,
             said
             he
             ,
             
               I
               may
               be
               a
               Colonel
               in
               time
            
             ;
             that
             shews
             some
             extraordinary
             thoughts
             were
             in
             his
             heart
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Will
             not
             that
             bear
             a
             more
             favourable
             interpretation
             ,
             my
             Lord
             ?
             Must
             that
             necessarily
             follow
             upon
             my
             saying
             ,
             
               I
               might
               be
               a
               Colonel
               in
               time
               ,
            
             and
             
               that
               more
               bloud
               would
               be
               lost
               ?
            
             if
             I
             had
             expressed
             it
             so
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             I
             say
             you
             had
             some
             extraordinary
             thoughts
             in
             your
             heart
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             sure
             the
             fittest
             to
             explain
             my
             own
             thoughts
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             You
             would
             have
             done
             well
             to
             have
             explained
             it
             which
             way
             you
             expected
             to
             be
             a
             Colonel
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             It
             was
             not
             an
             expectation
             ,
             for
             a
             may
             be
             ,
             may
             not
             be
             ;
             my
             word
             was
             ,
             
               mocking
               is
               catching
            
             :
             I
             thought
             he
             had
             called
             me
             Cozen.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Well
             Gentlemen
             ,
             these
             are
             Witnesses
             I
             say
             that
             go
             not
             to
             the
             Treason
             ,
             but
             only
             relate
             and
             reflect
             somewhat
             to
             shew
             there
             were
             thoughts
             in
             his
             heart
             ,
             but
             no
             body
             could
             tell
             what
             they
             were
             ,
             or
             know
             what
             he
             meant
             by
             them
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Then
             always
             they
             are
             to
             be
             taken
             in
             the
             best
             sence
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             For
             the
             other
             Witnesses
             ,
             
               Stephen
               Dugdale
               ,
               John
               Smith
               ,
               Bryan
               Haynes
               ,
            
             and
             
               Edward
               Turbervile
            
             ,
             they
             are
             all
             of
             them
             ,
             taking
             what
             they
             say
             to
             be
             true
             ,
             very
             full
             Witnesses
             .
             The
             Prisoner
             hath
             objected
             as
             to
             two
             of
             them
             ,
             because
             they
             speak
             to
             nothing
             that
             was
             done
             in
             Oxfordshire
             ,
             but
             Turbervile
             and
             Dugdale
             they
             speak
             to
             what
             was
             said
             in
             Oxfordshire
             .
             Now
             for
             that
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             If
             you
             believe
             any
             one
             of
             these
             Witnesses
             ,
             as
             to
             what
             was
             said
             in
             Oxford
             ,
             and
             any
             of
             them
             as
             to
             what
             was
             said
             in
             London
             ,
             relating
             to
             the
             same
             Fact
             of
             Treason
             ,
             they
             will
             be
             two
             good
             Witnesses
             to
             maintain
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             though
             the
             one
             is
             in
             the
             one
             County
             ,
             and
             the
             other
             in
             another
             ;
             for
             if
             a
             Treason
             be
             committed
             in
             two
             Counties
             ,
             it
             is
             in
             the
             Kings
             Election
             where
             he
             will
             Exhibit
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             and
             the
             Evidence
             from
             both
             Counties
             is
             good
             Evidence
             ;
             that
             I
             take
             for
             Law
             ,
             and
             these
             four
             Witnesses
             ,
             with
             that
             consideration
             that
             they
             are
             true
             ,
             as
             I
             think
             are
             full
             Witnesses
             to
             maintain
             this
             Indictment
             .
          
           
             Why
             then
             the
             next
             Head
             is
             concerning
             the
             truth
             of
             this
             Evidence
             ,
             of
             which
             you
             are
             to
             be
             Judges
             ,
             and
             you
             are
             the
             proper
             Judges
             whether
             the
             Witnesses
             speak
             true
             or
             no
             ;
             therefore
             you
             must
             have
             your
             own
             Consciences
             to
             direct
             you
             in
             that
             case
             ,
             and
             what
             I
             shall
             say
             about
             them
             ,
             shall
             be
             only
             for
             your
             Assistance
             .
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             I
             shall
             not
             take
             upon
             me
             to
             repeat
             the
             Evidence
             to
             you
             ,
             it
             has
             been
             long
             ;
             and
             for
             me
             to
             speak
             out
             of
             Memory
             ,
             I
             had
             rather
             you
             should
             recur
             to
             your
             own
             Memories
             ,
             and
             your
             own
             Notes
             :
             Only
             I
             shall
             say
             something
             in
             general
             to
             contract
             your
             Consideration
             of
             it
             .
          
           
           
             And
             as
             I
             told
             you
             at
             first
             ,
             you
             must
             mind
             nothing
             of
             what
             the
             Kings
             Counsel
             said
             ,
             for
             nothing
             must
             have
             Impression
             upon
             you
             ,
             but
             what
             they
             proved
             ;
             So
             you
             are
             not
             to
             consider
             any
             thing
             of
             the
             Facts
             the
             Prisoner
             spake
             of
             ,
             that
             are
             not
             proved
             neither
             ;
             For
             common
             Justice
             is
             concerned
             in
             it
             ,
             and
             no
             Justice
             can
             be
             done
             at
             that
             rate
             ,
             if
             the
             Prisoners
             own
             Affirmations
             or
             Purgation
             should
             be
             taken
             .
             No
             man
             ever
             can
             be
             accused
             but
             he
             will
             be
             ready
             to
             say
             he
             is
             innocent
             ,
             and
             say
             as
             flour
             is
             hung
             and
             popular
             things
             as
             ever
             he
             can
             for
             himself
             .
             And
             therefore
             these
             things
             must
             not
             weigh
             with
             you
             further
             ,
             then
             as
             what
             is
             said
             ,
             argues
             upon
             the
             Proofs
             you
             have
             had
             .
             And
             you
             are
             to
             consider
             upon
             the
             Proofs
             what
             the
             Prisoner
             has
             produced
             ,
             not
             what
             he
             says
             on
             the
             other
             side
             ,
             for
             the
             Proofs
             you
             have
             heard
             a
             great
             many
             Witnesses
             in
             general
             produced
             by
             him
             ,
             that
             say
             he
             was
             bred
             a
             Protestant
             ,
             and
             has
             been
             an
             honest
             Man
             ,
             that
             they
             knew
             no
             ill
             by
             him
             ,
             that
             will
             be
             of
             little
             weight
             in
             a
             case
             of
             this
             Consideration
             ,
             for
             unless
             he
             were
             a
             Man
             that
             had
             committed
             Treason
             to
             the
             knowledge
             of
             all
             the
             World
             ,
             there
             is
             no
             Man
             but
             can
             produce
             Witnesses
             that
             know
             no
             ill
             of
             him
             ,
             nor
             any
             Treason
             nor
             Harm
             in
             him
             ,
             therefore
             the
             Question
             will
             lye
             upon
             the
             credit
             of
             the
             Witnesses
             produced
             for
             the
             King
             barely
             ,
             and
             that
             will
             be
             the
             Consideration
             you
             are
             only
             to
             have
             ,
             and
             you
             are
             to
             weigh
             them
             in
             the
             Ballance
             against
             the
             Witnesses
             produced
             against
             them
             .
          
           
             Now
             Gentlemen
             ,
             for
             these
             Witnesses
             I
             shall
             not
             repeat
             them
             to
             you
             ,
             but
             only
             this
             I
             shall
             observe
             in
             general
             ,
             that
             Dugdale
             and
             Turbervile
             that
             are
             the
             two
             most
             material
             Witnesses
             relating
             to
             what
             was
             spoken
             in
             Oxford-shire
             ,
             have
             the
             least
             said
             against
             them
             .
             I
             do
             not
             remember
             I
             profess
             to
             you
             I
             do
             not
             (
             but
             your
             own
             notes
             must
             guide
             you
             )
             that
             there
             was
             any
             very
             material
             thing
             said
             against
             them
             ,
             except
             what
             is
             said
             against
             them
             by
             Dr.
             Oates
             ,
             and
             Dr.
             Oates
             does
             say
             against
             Smith
             that
             he
             came
             out
             of
             the
             Coffee-house
             ,
             and
             swore
             damm
             him
             he
             would
             have
             Colledges
             Blood
             ,
             and
             when
             he
             reproved
             him
             ,
             and
             said
             it
             was
             not
             fit
             for
             a
             Minister
             of
             the
             Gospel
             to
             use
             such
             Expressions
             ,
             he
             said
             God
             damn
             the
             Gospel
             ,
             if
             that
             be
             true
             't
             is
             a
             great
             Reflection
             upon
             the
             Credit
             of
             Smith
             .
             He
             says
             as
             to
             Dugdale
             ,
             that
             when
             he
             was
             expostulating
             with
             him
             about
             his
             Evidence
             he
             excused
             himself
             ,
             that
             he
             was
             in
             want
             of
             money
             ,
             and
             was
             pressed
             to
             it
             ,
             and
             being
             asked
             did
             say
             he
             was
             pressed
             to
             swear
             against
             his
             Conscience
             ,
             he
             said
             yes
             ,
             and
             much
             of
             the
             same
             kind
             he
             says
             as
             to
             Turbervile
             ,
             that
             he
             said
             he
             was
             disserted
             and
             would
             not
             starve
             .
             Now
             all
             these
             three
             Witnesses
             being
             called
             upon
             their
             Oaths
             deny
             ,
             that
             which
             Dr.
             Oates
             Testifies
             .
             Now
             if
             it
             were
             in
             an
             indifferent
             and
             probable
             matter
             to
             have
             three
             Men
             condemned
             ,
             and
             set
             aside
             by
             the
             Testimony
             of
             one
             is
             not
             equal
             ,
             unless
             the
             Man
             were
             of
             mighty
             extraordinary
             Credit
             ,
             and
             his
             Testimony
             of
             more
             than
             ordinary
             weight
             .
             But
             then
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             this
             matter
             is
             very
             probable
             ,
             that
             after
             Witnesses
             had
             sworn
             a
             thing
             they
             should
             voluntarily
             acknowledg
             themselves
             to
             be
             forsworn
             ,
             and
             that
             without
             any
             Provocation
             ,
             they
             should
             at
             several
             times
             come
             to
             this
             one
             Man
             and
             declare
             themselves
             Rogues
             and
             Villaines
             ,
             but
             if
             it
             were
             probable
             ,
             here
             are
             three
             Mens
             Oaths
             against
             one
             Mans
             affirmation
             ,
             this
             I
             say
             as
             to
             what
             concerns
             Dugdale
             and
             Turbervile
             ,
             I
             do
             not
             see
             any
             thing
             material
             against
             them
             ,
             besides
             now
             if
             you
             believe
             them
             ,
             they
             are
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             the
             full
             Matter
             of
             the
             Indictment
             ,
             and
             two
             Witnesses
             to
             what
             was
             done
             in
             Oxford-shire
             ,
             and
             that
             satisfies
             all
             the
             Considerations
             of
             Law.
             
          
           
             As
             to
             the
             rest
             of
             the
             Witnesses
             
               Bryan
               Haynes
            
             and
             
               John
               Smith
            
             ,
             you
             have
             had
             many
             Witnesses
             produced
             against
             them
             ,
             I
             shall
             not
             undertake
             to
             repeat
             the
             Evidence
             ,
             't
             is
             your
             place
             and
             duty
             to
             weigh
             their
             Testimony
             ,
             and
             I
             shall
             leave
             it
             to
             your
             Consideration
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             I
             shall
             add
             nothing
             to
             what
             my
             Lord
             hath
             said
             ,
             nor
             indeed
             can
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             wish
             you
             would
             look
             upon
             your
             Notes
             ,
             you
             would
             then
             find
             there
             was
             much
             more
             Evidence
             ,
             that
             you
             have
             not
             repeated
             against
             Turbervile
             and
             Dugdale
             ,
             besides
             what
             you
             Lordship
             urged
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Just
             .
          
           
             If
             there
             be
             ,
             I
             refer
             it
             to
             the
             Memory
             of
             the
             Jury
             ,
             I
             can
             remember
             no
             more
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             I
             desire
             nothing
             but
             Justice
             ,
             and
             true
             Justice
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             I
             am
             sure
             I
             design
             nothing
             else
             ,
             you
             are
             a
             stranger
             to
             me
             ,
             I
             believe
             I
             have
             seen
             your
             Face
             ,
             but
             I
             never
             knew
             you
             by
             name
             till
             now
             .
             Look
             you
             if
             the
             Jury
             be
             like
             to
             stay
             ,
             they
             may
             take
             something
             to
             refresh
             themselves
             at
             the
             Bar
             before
             they
             go
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             I
             did
             see
             when
             the
             Bill
             was
             brought
             against
             my
             Lord
             Howard
             ,
             Mr.
             
               Attorny
               General
            
             and
             Mr.
             Solicitor
             were
             an
             hour
             and
             half
             with
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
           
             Mr.
             Serj.
             Jefferies
             .
          
           
             You
             must
             say
             nothing
             now
             my
             Lord
             has
             given
             the
             Charge
             .
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Let
             me
             have
             Justice
             done
             my
             Lord
             ,
             that
             's
             all
             I
             crave
             ,
             that
             no
             Body
             may
             be
             with
             the
             Jury
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             they
             might
             be
             with
             the
             Grand
             Jury
             ,
             but
             as
             to
             the
             Petty
             Jury
             there
             shall
             be
             a
             Bayliff
             sworn
             ,
             and
             neither
             Mr.
             Attorny
             ,
             nor
             Mr.
             Solicitor
             ,
             nor
             no
             Body
             else
             shall
             come
             to
             them
             till
             they
             be
             agreed
             of
             their
             Verdict
             .
          
        
         
           
             Mr.
             Just
             .
             Jones
             .
          
           
             If
             that
             be
             the
             thing
             you
             ask
             ,
             you
             shall
             have
             it
             according
             to
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             And
             any
             Friend
             of
             mine
             may
             be
             by
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             There
             shall
             be
             an
             Officer
             sworn
             to
             keep
             them
             .
          
           
             
               Then
               the
               Court
               called
               for
               two
               Bottles
               of
               Sack
               ,
               which
               the
               Jury
               divided
               among
               themselves
               at
               the
               Bar
               ,
               for
               their
               Refreshment
               in
               the
               presence
               of
               the
               Prisoner
               .
            
          
           
             After
             which
             a
             Bailiff
             was
             sworn
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             withdrawing
             to
             consider
             of
             their
             Verdict
             ,
             the
             Court
             adjourned
             for
             half
             an
             hour
             ,
             and
             when
             they
             returned
             ,
             Proclamation
             being
             made
             for
             attendance
             ,
             the
             Court
             sent
             to
             see
             whether
             the
             Jury
             were
             agreed
             ,
             who
             immediately
             came
             in
             to
             Court.
             
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Gentlemen
             ,
             are
             you
             agreed
             of
             your
             Verdict
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Om.
             
          
           
             Yes
             ,
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Who
             shall
             say
             for
             you
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Om.
             
          
           
             Foreman
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             ,
             Hold
             up
             thy
             hand
             ,
             look
             upon
             him
             you
             of
             the
             Jury
             :
             How
             say
             you
             ,
             is
             he
             Guilty
             of
             the
             High
             Treason
             ,
             whereof
             he
             stands
             Indicted
             ,
             or
             not
             Guilty
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Foreman
             .
          
           
             Guilty
             .
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Look
             to
             him
             Goaler
             ,
             he
             is
             found
             Guilty
             of
             High
             Treason
             ;
             what
             Goods
             ,
             &c.
             
          
        
         
           
             At
             which
             there
             was
             a
             great
             shout
             given
             ;
             at
             which
             the
             Court
             being
             offended
             ,
             one
             Person
             who
             was
             observed
             by
             the
             Cryer
             to
             be
             particularly
             concerned
             in
             the
             shout
             ,
             was
             Committed
             to
             Goal
             for
             that
             Night
             ,
             but
             the
             next
             Morning
             having
             received
             a
             publick
             reproof
             ,
             was
             discharged
             without
             Fees.
             
          
        
         
           Then
           it
           being
           about
           3
           a
           Clock
           in
           the
           morning
           ,
           the
           Court
           adjourned
           to
           10.
           
           At
           which
           hour
           the
           Court
           being
           sate
           ,
           and
           first
           Mr.
           
             Aaron
             Smith
          
           having
           entred
           into
           a
           Recognizance
           of
           500
           l.
           to
           appear
           the
           first
           day
           of
           the
           next
           Term
           ,
           at
           the
           Court
           of
           Kings-Bench
           .
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Where
             is
             the
             Prisoner
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             ?
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Set
             up
             
               Stephen
               Colledge
            
             .
          
           
             Then
             the
             Prisoner
             was
             brought
             to
             the
             Bar.
             
          
        
         
           
             Cl.
             of
             Cr.
             
          
           
             Hearken
             to
             the
             Court
             and
             hold
             up
             thy
             hand
             ;
             Thou
             hast
             been
             Indicted
             and
             Arraigned
             of
             High
             Treason
             ,
             and
             for
             thy
             Tryal
             hast
             put
             thy self
             upon
             thy
             Country
             ,
             and
             they
             have
             found
             thee
             Guilty
             ,
             what
             canst
             thou
             say
             for
             thy self
             ,
             why
             the
             Court
             should
             not
             give
             Judgment
             on
             thee
             to
             dye
             according
             to
             the
             Law.
             
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             have
             nothing
             more
             to
             offer
             ,
             but
             only
             that
             I
             am
             innocent
             of
             what
             is
             laid
             to
             my
             charge
             ;
             I
             think
             it
             was
             severe
             against
             me
             ,
             now
             contrary
             to
             what
             was
             sworn
             at
             London
             :
             They
             swear
             now
             ,
             I
             was
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             at
             Oxon.
             In
             London
             they
             swore
             I
             would
             pluck
             the
             King
             out
             of
             Whitehall
             ,
             but
             't
             is
             altered
             since
             ,
             and
             now
             't
             is
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             at
             Oxon
             ,
             but
             be
             it
             either
             one
             or
             to'ther
             (
             for
             the
             one
             is
             as
             true
             as
             the
             other
             )
             I
             am
             wholly
             innocent
             of
             either
             ,
             I
             never
             had
             such
             a
             thought
             in
             my
             Life
             ,
             God
             forgive
             them
             that
             have
             sworn
             against
             me
             ,
             I
             have
             no
             more
             to
             say
             ,
             my
             Lord.
             
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             Look
             you
             Mr.
             Colledge
             ,
             it
             is
             too
             late
             to
             profess
             your
             innocence
             ,
             you
             have
             been
             tryed
             and
             found
             Guilty
             ;
             but
             because
             you
             say
             it
             now
             ,
             't
             is
             necessary
             for
             me
             to
             say
             something
             in
             vindication
             of
             the
             Verdict
             ,
             which
             I
             think
             the
             Court
             were
             all
             very
             well
             satisfied
             with
             :
             There
             were
             sufficient
             proofs
             to
             warrant
             it
             ,
             and
             the
             Jury
             did
             according
             to
             Justice
             and
             right
             .
             I
             thought
             it
             was
             a
             Case
             ,
             that
             as
             you
             made
             your
             own
             defence
             ,
             small
             proof
             would
             serve
             the
             turn
             to
             make
             any
             one
             believe
             you
             Guilty
             .
             For
             as
             you
             would
             defend
             your self
             by
             pretending
             to
             be
             a
             Protestant
             .
             It
             is
             wonder
             ,
             I
             must
             confess
             ,
             when
             you
             called
             so
             many
             Witnesses
             to
             your
             Religion
             and
             Reputation
             ,
             that
             none
             of
             them
             gave
             an
             account
             that
             they
             saw
             you
             receive
             the
             Sacrament
             within
             these
             many
             years
             ,
             or
             any
             of
             them
             particularly
             had
             seen
             you
             at
             Church
             in
             many
             years
             ,
             
             or
             what
             kind
             of
             Protestant
             you
             were
             .
             If
             we
             look
             to
             your
             Words
             and
             Actions
             ,
             it
             is
             true
             ,
             they
             did
             prove
             this
             ,
             that
             you
             were
             mighty
             violent
             and
             zealous
             in
             crying
             out
             against
             Popery
             and
             the
             Papists
             ;
             but
             if
             we
             look
             to
             your
             Actions
             ,
             they
             favoured
             rather
             to
             promote
             the
             Papists
             ends
             .
             For
             I
             must
             tell
             you
             ,
             the
             Papists
             are
             best
             extirpated
             ,
             and
             suppressed
             by
             a
             steady
             Prosecution
             of
             the
             Laws
             against
             them
             ,
             not
             by
             violent
             cryings
             out
             ,
             and
             putting
             the
             People
             into
             fervent
             heats
             and
             confusions
             ,
             for
             that
             is
             the
             thing
             the
             Papists
             aim
             at
             ;
             they
             have
             no
             hopes
             any
             other
             way
             to
             creep
             into
             the
             Kingdome
             but
             by
             Confusion
             ,
             and
             after
             the
             Church
             is
             destroyed
             ,
             that
             is
             under
             God
             the
             best
             Bulwark
             against
             them
             .
             But
             you
             that
             cryed
             so
             loud
             against
             the
             Papists
             ,
             it
             was
             proved
             here
             ,
             who
             you
             called
             Papists
             .
             You
             had
             the
             boldness
             to
             say
             that
             the
             King
             was
             a
             Papist
             ,
             the
             Bishops
             were
             Papists
             ,
             and
             the
             the
             Church
             of
             England
             were
             Papists
             .
             If
             these
             be
             the
             Papists
             you
             cry
             out
             against
             ,
             what
             a
             kind
             of
             Protestant
             you
             are
             ,
             I
             know
             not
             ,
             I
             am
             sure
             you
             can
             be
             no
             good
             one
             ,
             But
             truly
             I
             thought
             you
             would
             have
             made
             better
             proof
             of
             that
             thing
             ,
             when
             you
             called
             so
             many
             witnesses
             to
             that
             purpose
             ,
             and
             then
             if
             we
             look
             to
             your
             Politicks
             ,
             what
             Opinion
             you
             had
             of
             the
             King
             ,
             it
             was
             proved
             by
             your
             discourse
             ,
             and
             by
             witnesses
             ,
             that
             you
             could
             have
             no
             Exception
             to
             their
             Testimony
             ,
             that
             you
             did
             justify
             the
             late
             horrid
             Rebellion
             ,
             and
             the
             Consequents
             of
             that
             was
             the
             murder
             of
             the
             best
             King
             in
             the
             World
             ,
             that
             you
             should
             go
             to
             justify
             the
             proceedings
             of
             that
             Parliament
             ,
             and
             affirm
             that
             they
             did
             nothing
             but
             what
             they
             had
             just
             cause
             to
             do
             .
             I
             say
             he
             that
             will
             justify
             such
             a
             thing
             ,
             if
             there
             were
             the
             same
             Circumstances
             ,
             would
             do
             the
             same
             thing
             again
             .
          
           
             Then
             if
             we
             look
             upon
             another
             part
             of
             your
             defence
             ,
             as
             to
             your
             Arms
             ,
             it
             was
             objected
             you
             went
             armed
             to
             Oxon
             ,
             and
             that
             was
             made
             the
             Evidence
             of
             the
             Overt
             Act
             when
             you
             said
             by
             words
             your
             intentions
             what
             you
             would
             do
             ,
             that
             you
             would
             make
             one
             to
             seize
             the
             King
             ,
             that
             you
             did
             go
             armed
             ,
             you
             did
             confess
             I
             expected
             you
             should
             have
             said
             ,
             you
             only
             wore
             those
             things
             for
             your
             own
             defence
             upon
             the
             Road
             as
             a
             Gentleman
             travelling
             ,
             or
             went
             with
             your
             Friends
             to
             accompany
             them
             out
             of
             Town
             ,
             and
             defend
             them
             from
             Robbery
             ,
             but
             you
             said
             ,
             you
             went
             to
             Guard
             the
             Parliament
             .
             I
             did
             not
             understand
             what
             you
             meant
             by
             it
             .
             I
             do
             not
             believe
             the
             Parliament
             sent
             for
             any
             Guard
             ,
             or
             intended
             to
             have
             any
             Guard.
             I
             do
             not
             believe
             that
             any
             of
             them
             in
             their
             Hearts
             thought
             they
             needed
             a
             Guard
             ;
             for
             I
             believe
             there
             was
             not
             a
             man
             that
             had
             any
             thing
             that
             looked
             like
             that
             ,
             or
             any
             thing
             of
             that
             nature
             .
             For
             we
             saw
             ,
             that
             when
             the
             King
             by
             the
             necessity
             of
             his
             Affairs
             ,
             when
             the
             two
             Houses
             differed
             so
             much
             ,
             was
             pleased
             to
             dismiss
             them
             ;
             they
             all
             departed
             quietly
             ,
             not
             a
             man
             was
             seen
             to
             be
             disturbed
             ;
             there
             was
             no
             appearance
             of
             any
             such
             thing
             ,
             and
             how
             it
             should
             come
             into
             your
             head
             ,
             that
             were
             but
             a
             private
             man
             to
             go
             to
             guard
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             I
             much
             wonder
             .
             Suppose
             all
             men
             of
             your
             condition
             should
             have
             gon
             to
             have
             guarded
             the
             Parliament
             ,
             what
             an
             Assembly
             had
             there
             been
             ?
             what
             a
             bustle
             might
             they
             have
             made
             ,
             and
             what
             confusion
             might
             have
             been
             on
             a
             sudden
             ?
             And
             though
             you
             say
             you
             are
             no
             man
             of
             quality
             ,
             nor
             likely
             to
             be
             able
             to
             do
             any
             thing
             upon
             the
             Kings
             guards
             or
             the
             Kings
             Person
             ,
             yet
             if
             all
             of
             your
             quality
             had
             gon
             upon
             the
             same
             design
             that
             you
             did
             ,
             what
             ill
             Consequences
             might
             have
             been
             of
             it
             ,
             we
             see
             what
             has
             been
             done
             by
             Massianello
             a
             mean
             Man
             in
             another
             Country
             ,
             what
             by
             
               Wat
               Tyler
            
             and
             
               Jack
               Straw
            
             in
             this
             Kingdom
             ,
             I
             confess
             I
             know
             not
             what
             you
             meant
             by
             it
             ,
             but
             very
             ill
             things
             might
             have
             happened
             upon
             it
             .
          
           
             So
             that
             these
             things
             when
             I
             look
             upon
             them
             ,
             and
             consider
             the
             complexion
             of
             your
             defence
             ,
             it
             makes
             an
             easie
             proof
             have
             credit
             .
             But
             I
             think
             there
             was
             a
             full
             Proof
             in
             your
             case
             ,
             yet
             I
             say
             if
             there
             had
             been
             a
             great
             deal
             less
             proof
             ,
             the
             Jury
             might
             with
             Justice
             have
             found
             you
             Guilty
             .
             And
             because
             you
             now
             declare
             your self
             innocent
             of
             all
             you
             are
             charged
             with
             ,
             I
             think
             my self
             bound
             to
             declare
             here
             in
             Vindication
             of
             the
             Country
             ,
             and
             in
             vindication
             of
             the
             Justice
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             that
             it
             was
             a
             Verdict
             well
             given
             ,
             and
             to
             the
             satisfaction
             of
             the
             Court
             ,
             and
             I
             did
             not
             find
             my
             brothers
             did
             dislike
             it
             .
             This
             I
             say
             to
             you
             out
             of
             Charity
             ,
             that
             you
             may
             incline
             your
             mind
             to
             a
             submission
             to
             the
             Justice
             that
             has
             overtaken
             you
             ,
             and
             that
             you
             may
             enter
             into
             Charity
             with
             all
             men
             ,
             and
             prepare
             your self
             for
             another
             Life
             .
          
           
           
             There
             is
             nothing
             now
             remaining
             ,
             but
             to
             pronounce
             the
             Sentence
             which
             the
             Law
             provides
             for
             such
             an
             Offence
             ,
             which
             is
             this
             ,
             and
             the
             Court
             does
             award
             ,
             
               
                 That
                 you
              
               Stephen
               Colledge
               
                 shall
                 be
                 carried
                 from
                 hence
                 to
                 the
                 Place
                 from
                 whence
                 you
                 came
                 ,
                 and
                 from
                 thence
                 you
                 shall
                 be
                 drawn
                 on
                 an
                 Hurdle
                 to
                 the
                 Place
                 of
                 Execution
                 ,
                 where
                 you
                 shall
                 be
                 hanged
                 up
                 by
                 the
                 Neck
                 ,
                 and
                 be
                 cut
                 down
                 alive
                 ,
                 your
                 Privy
                 Members
                 shall
                 be
                 cut
                 off
                 ,
                 and
                 your
                 Bowels
                 taken
                 out
                 and
                 burnt
                 before
                 your
                 Face
                 ,
                 your
                 Head
                 shall
                 be
                 cut
                 off
                 from
                 your
                 Body
                 ,
                 your
                 Body
                 be
                 divided
                 into
                 four
                 Quarters
                 ,
                 which
                 are
                 to
                 be
                 at
                 the
                 Kings
                 dispose
                 ,
                 and
                 the
                 Lord
                 have
                 Mercy
                 upon
                 your
                 Soul.
                 
              
            
          
        
         
           
             Colledge
             .
          
           
             Amen
             .
             My
             Lord
             ,
             I
             would
             know
             what
             time
             your
             Lordship
             is
             pleased
             to
             appoint
             for
             my
             Preparation
             .
          
        
         
           
             L.
             Ch.
             Justice
             .
          
           
             That
             will
             depend
             upon
             the
             Kings
             pleasure
             ,
             we
             do
             not
             use
             in
             these
             cases
             of
             high
             Treason
             to
             precipitate
             the
             Execution
             ,
             but
             we
             will
             leave
             such
             Order
             with
             the
             Sheriff
             to
             receive
             the
             Kings
             pleasure
             and
             obey
             it
             .
             He
             will
             not
             do
             it
             so
             sudden
             but
             that
             you
             shall
             have
             Notice
             to
             prepare
             your self
             ,
             but
             it
             depends
             upon
             the
             Kings
             pleasure
             ,
             for
             your
             Body
             is
             to
             be
             at
             his
             dispose
             .
          
        
         
           Then
           the
           Court
           adjourned
           .
        
         
           
             And
             on
          
           Wednesday
           31.
           of
           Aug.
           1681.
           
           Being
           the
           Day
           appointed
           by
           His
           Majesty
           for
           his
           Execution
           ,
           he
           was
           according
           to
           Sentence
           ,
           Executed
           over
           against
           the
           Gate
           of
           the
           Castle
           at
           Oxford
           .
        
         
           FINIS
           .