Letters written by Sir William Temple during his being ambassador at The Hague, to the Earl of Arlington and Sir John Trevor, Secretaries of State to K. Charles II wherein are discovered many secrets hitherto concealed / published from the originals, under Sir William Temple's own hand ; and dedicated to the Right Honourable Sir Thomas Littleton, Speaker of the House of Commons, by D. Jones, Gent. Correspondence. Selections Temple, William, Sir, 1628-1699. 1699 Approx. 262 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 113 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2004-08 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A64310 Wing T640 ESTC R16660 13153521 ocm 13153521 98133 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . 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Netherlands -- Foreign relations -- Great Britain. 2004-03 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-03 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-04 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2004-04 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-07 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion LETTERS WRITTEN By Sir William Temple , During His being AMBASSADOR AT THE HAGUE , TO THE Earl of Arlington and Sir Iohn Trevor , Secretaries of State to K. Charles II. VVherein are discovered many Secrets hitherto concealed . Publish'd from the Originals , under Sir William Temple's own Hand : And Dedicated to the Right Honourable Sir Thomas Littleton , Speaker of the House of Commons . By D. Iones , Gent LONDON : Printed and are to be Sold by A. Baldwin , near the Oxford-Arms , in Warwick-Lane . 1699. TO THE Right Honourable Sir Thomas Littleton , Speaker of the House of Commons . SIR , THE following Letters containing the Particulars of some Part of the Foreign Negotiations of one of the Ablest and most Accomplish'd Ministers we had then in Being ; I 'll presume upon your Goodness to Pardon me in adventuring to Address them to your Honour , since you move in so Publick a Sphear , and are so competent a Judge both of their Use and Genuineness , whereof had I not been more particularly assured , I should not have been so Unjust to the World , nor so wanting to my Self , as thus to expose them to Light ; much less would I have been so Audacious as to prefix Your Name before them . To these two Considerations Your Honour will allow me to beg the liberty to subjoin the Irresistible Weight Your Publick Usefulness has added to my Inclinations herein , whereby I cannot forbear to give my poor Testimony ( this being the first Opportunity ) of the Veneration I have for those excellent Vertues that have enabled you , to the no great Credit of some of Your Predecessors , and Emulation of such as shall come after , to carry it with so Even an Hand , between Court and Country ( which however they have been distinguished , are inseparable in their Interests , and none but ill-minded Men will go about to disunite ) and that to their equal Benefit and mutual Satisfaction , as well as suitable Return of both's Affection to you for it : Insomuch that as the Philosopher of old indefinitely called Man Fibula Mundi , in regard to his two constitutional Parts of Soul and Body , whereby as it were Heaven and Earth , the most distant and disagreeing Parts of the Universe were united into one Individuum ; So by a Peculiarity of Management in Your Honour , you may as justly and truly this day in your Station be termed Fibula Angliae ; and that you may always continue to be so , and a constant Ornament to the Chair you fill , is as little doubted of , as it shall ever be rejoyced in , by Your Honour 's Most Humble , and most Obedient Servant , D. Jones . The PREFACE . IT is more out of a Prevalent Regard to Custom in this kind , than any Consciousness I am under , of the real Necessity there is to premise any thing , concerning these Letters , written by Sir William Temple , during some part of his Publick Ministry at the Hague , in a Reign which , in many parts of it , has been as obscure , as some have thought it contemptible and little . For as to what regards the Genuineness of them ( against which , in things of this Nature , the greatest Objections are usually made ) I think no Person that has any tollerable Acquaintance with , or Idea of the Transactions of those times they refer to , but will acknowledge they are Self-justifying and carry their own Light in so clear a manner along with them , as to be beyond all Contradiction or Dispute : To say nothing of the whole Contexture and Evenness of the Stile , so fully expressive of his Mind that wrote them , ( which was so peculiar to himself , and wherein never any Gentleman was more happy ) which of it self being as it were inimitable , is next to a Demonstration of their Truth : But for a further Testimony hereof , and that as far as in me lies , I may leave no Scruple unanswered , I have the Originals by me under his own Hand , which any Gentleman may freely see for his further Satisfaction . I shall not enter into a Detail of the particular Discoveries contained in them , but herein will wholly leave them to answer for themselves : Only I cannot but observe , that the Years to which they relate , being the obscurer Part of King Charles II's Reign , the Publication of them , I can look upon no otherwise , than as a Debt we owe to History in general , ( the most useful Part of Humane Learning ) and to our own Nation in particular , who is more immediately concerned ; and then seemed to be in a struggle , whether , as in Ancient Times , she should continue to hold the Ballance of Europe in her hands , though the Defection afterwards both in her self and her other Confederate Crown , ( wherein each of them proved much less Scrupulous in breaking the Triple League ; than they seemed unresolved to enter into it ) are but too notorious , and cannot be thought on by a right English Heart , without some sort of Indignation But how unsteady soever at any time things went at Home , our Learned Author will be found to be ever constant to himself , and to retain the same English Spirit in this , as in all his other Negotiations ; Which is so much the more Glorious to his Memory , when he had so few Cotemporary Ministers either at Home or Abroad of his Temper , of which yet the Honourable Person , to whom most of these Letters were directed ; I mean , Mr. Secretary Trevor ( for the other , I have nothing to say to ) was deservedly one , and who will be ever remembred by those that know his true Character , with the greatest deference . It remains therefore for me to observe , That as it appears by Sir W. Temple's Memoirs already published , he had also written others relating to the times of these his Letters , whereof there is now but little Appearance , and many Iudicious Persons have given over any Expectations , of their ever coming to publick View : It is some sort of Satisfaction to my self , as it is a Benefit to Mankind , to be in any Measure able to supply that Defect by the Publication hereof ; concerning which , I have nothing more to say , but that the three last Letters , written also upon Publick Occasions , though by other Hands , and of a latter Date , having something of Curiosity in them , I thought it not unseasonable to annex them hereunto , as being all I am at present able to communicate for the Publick Good , which I would always in my Station endeavour to promote with all Application and Sincerity . From my Lodgings , over-against the Paul's - Head , in Paul's - Chain , May 11. 1699. LETTERS OF Sir William Temple , &c. LETTER I. Hague , Octob. 2. S. N. 1668. My Lord , SINCE my last I have received your Lordship 's of the 14th ; and in one Letter from Mr. Williamson , an Account of what was Resolv'd at the Foreign Committee , to whom your Lordship only referr'd the Determination of what manner the Amendments of the Marine Treaty should be pursued . And accordingly I have since fallen into the Debate of that Affair , with Monsieur de Witt , in all its Particulars ; and the Differences between us are not great , and some of his Exceptions seem so reasonable , that I must be furnisht with Arguments to maintain the Points against him , if they must be insisted on ; For , I confess , I can find none of my own . Upon the first , He consents to the change of the Form of Certificates , and will accept of such as we shall draw up , so they mean equal on both sides , mutati● mutandi● : But to that which the East-India Company say , of their desire that Trade may rather be carried on without any Certificate at all , he says , He does not see how that can be , or to what purpose in that case , all the Articles are about Contraband Goods , since it is by the Certificate whereby it is known what the Ship is , and what the Goods are she carries , and thereby all further trouble of search is avoided . He says , He should be content , and the Advantage would be theirs to have all Trade free , and none to ask at Sea what another Ship was ; Whether it went , or what it carry'd : But since that cannot be , there is no way of avoiding Disputes , besides that of Certificates . And indeed , I doubt the Merchants in that err , or rather , consider'd not the main end of the whole Regulation , which was to avoid Quarrels between the Nations , but only their own private Interest , in saving the trouble and Charge of Certificates ; which made them likewise desire it might be from the Magistrates of the Ports from whence the Ships parted , not from the Admiralty . Upon the second , He consents to the Proposal in the Margin , with only the leaving out these two Words , Of India ; so as the Rule may be generally to all places , and not confin'd to the Indies ; which I had nothing to say against , believing those Words fell in only by the Matter 's coming from the East-India Company , without notice of any other Traders ▪ Upon these two Points I had given your Lordship the Account formerly of my having at several Discourses gain'd his Consent ; and I do not find that any thing he excepts , as in them , is different from what we mean our selves . For the other Points which are wholly new , and Additions to the Treaty , they cost us a great deal more Debate , which I shall not trouble your Lordships with , but only the Result at least of the Opinion he gave me leave to write to your Lordships , as his upon them ; tho' the first , second , and fourth were all of more difficult Digestion , and such as , I doubt , would have given some Work to the Commissioners in pursuance of the Breda Treaty , so much as to have toucht ; for the Truth is , our Trade in the Indies being so little , and theirs so much , all Equalities of this kind are gains to us , and loss to them . For the first of the four Particulars not provided for in the Marine Treaty ; He consents to one half of the Period , ending with the Word Government . But for the other , allowing liberty to pass any River , or Pass , leading to any place of Trade , although the other Company have a Fort , or Castle , upon the said River , or Pass , he says , it cannot possibly be ; nor would it ever be executed , tho' the States should consent to it : For in those Passes , the very End of either Companies Building a Fort , or Castle , was to secure the Trade of such a Country to themselves , so as they would by this Article loose all the benefit of the Expence they had been at ; That if to such Nations there were any other way found , not under the reach of their Cannon , that Passage should be free ; But under a Fort built to the aforesaid Ends , he did not believe any Orders would compel those in it , either of our Nation , or theirs , to see the Trade they had secured to themselves , drawn away to the other Nation , by a free Passage . The second Particular I got wholly agreed to , tho' with much Difficulty , as importing , I suppose , more Advantage to us than any of the rest , considering how many more Nations the Dutch trade with than we , by virtue of such Agreements . The third was without difficulty , importing , as we both conceived , no more than was before provided by the Marine Treaty , and more particularly . For the fourth , He could not consent it should extend further than to Ships belonging to either Company , or to any Nations , or People , subject to either Company , and consequently under Protection of the said Company ; For the making it now in the Words of our Article , [ To any Nations with whom either Company shall Trade , and not in Enmity with the other Company ; ] would occasion only either Companies selling their Passports to all the Nations that would buy them ; leaving it afterwards to dispute upon any Accident that should arrive , whether such Nation were in Enmity with the other Company , or no , the Natives maintaining the Negative , and perhaps the Company the Affirmative ; And it may be upon pretence of some new Injury which had lately given the occasion of the Enmity ; and where such Disputes should be determin'd , was difficult to find . Besides , He argued from common use of Nations , that Passports operated only towards those who were subject to such as granted the Passport , or else by Alliance and Accord between Nations , to such as were one anothers Subjects , and under their Protection ; But how it should extend to other Nations , because they were not in Enmity with our Ally , he could not see any reason , nor had heard any Example : But on the other side , it was ever to be supposed , that there would be no need at all of Passports from the one , to such as were not in Enmity with the other Nations ; being to be esteemed as Just in their Actions , and not likely to disturb , or seize another , without , at least , pretence of Enmity , which would be a sort of Piracy at Sea , or Robbery at Land ; but in case such a thing should happen , no other Nation concern'd themselves in it , unless it was offer'd to their Subjects , and consequently to Persons under their Protection . I thought his reasoning seem'd good ; and besides , I imagin'd the thing was not of weight ; for wherever one Company found a Nation not in actual Enmity with the other , and had a mind to protect their Navigation , they might do it by receiving that Nation into their Protection , and their giving them Passports as Subjects to them ; But where Nations will not submit to such a Subjection , they must protect themselves . And this was the Result of our Conference , which came to no sort of Agreement on either side ; since I neither had power to do it from His Majesty , nor he from the States ; So that we can only represent on each side what past ; and attend our Orders upon them , and he in the mean time dispose the States to his Opinion , when we meet to treat and conclude formally upon them . When I receive Instructions , I suppose it will be necessary to know the Manner as well as the Matter we are to agree on ; that is , whether a new Marine Treaty to be made with these Particulars to be digested into the Body of it ; Or else these to be perfected in an Instrument by themselves as additions to the Marine Treaty . For the doing it with or without Commissioners , I can say nothing , since so great Authors are on both sides ; but if both seem necessary , one to the Substance , and the other to the Form , I was thinking whether two or more might not be joyn'd in Commission with me to treat , and conclude it with Commissioners of theirs , and those to be acquainted beforehand with what was to be expected upon this Matter : But I know not how our expectation of having the Commissioners meet at London , would be satisfied by their meeting at the Hague , nor how Forms go in joyning Commissioners to an Ambassador for a particular Business , and so I leave it . The Account your Lordship expects from me of the new Governour in Flanders , will be very lame , Men disagreeing much in his Character . The common Voice making it very low in those Qualities themselves , which are most essential to his doing well ; but the Baron d'Isola , in his Letters hither , running it very high as to his Abilities ; the Appearance of which must needs have great Disadvantages from his Arrival in a strange Country , without one word of any Language besides Spanish , without Cloaths , or Retinue , or hitherto the Show of a Governour , the Marquess having not yet ( at least till within this Day or two ) given up the Charge . He is a Person of about Forty Years old , little and lean , with long black Hair , and a Face that the Dutch call Ill-favour'd ; of few words , prerending to come in blind Obedience to the Queens Orders , which found him a Hunting , and sent him away in the same Cloaths , and with the same Retinue , which are about eight or nine Persons , among whom a Natural Son ( for he never was Married ) and a Secretary , said to be a very able Man. How four Women came to be a Hunting with him , I know not ; but it seems so many came with him too , and went to Zealand upon his first Arrival . He intends , they say , to stay at Mecklyn till the Plague ceases , or at least abates at Brussels , and perhaps Don Estevan intends to be Minister of State ; for he tells me the Constable has sent very earnestly for him , and away he is gone this Day . The Prince of Orange is expected to Day or to Morrow in Town . Monsieur Odijck ▪ tells me , His Highness is much concerned in the Attempts of removing the Scotch Staple from Teweet to Dort , that it will be twelve Thousand Guilders a Year out of his way ; That those of Tewe●t offer all that can be ask'd , and more than those of Dort ; That His Highness has written to His Majesty about it , and hopes He will not allow it , being a thing , as he says , of Sir William Davison's only contrivance , and in the desire whereof the Scotch Merchants are no way agreed . I have sent this Post , a Bottle of Juniper-Water for His Majesty , which he pleased to tell my Wife he desired : It goes by Mr. Bucke , a Gentleman belonging to the Duke of Ormond . If the King likes it , I shall endeavour to get more , and should have said this to my Wife rather than your Lordship , but that I hear His Majesty will be out of Town . I am ever , My Lord , Your Lordships most Faithful , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER II. Hague , Octob. 5. S. N. 68. My Lord , I Have since my last received your Lordships of the 18th past , and you will have already found , that the King's Commands in it , concerning my Procedure upon the East-India Propositions , are obeyed . Upon my next Conference with Monsieur de Witt , I shall press the Reference of the Guinea Business to Commissioners , and let the other rest where it is , till I have an Answer upon my last . I must likewise expect Instructions how to proceed upon the Concert desired between us , Holland , and Sweden , for the Guaranty of the Peace , both upon the present State of Affairs between the two Crowns , and in case of the King of Spain's Death ; For I hardly know how to begin , or what to propose , till I know how far Spain will comply with the Swedish Payments , or how Sweden will digest , or resent the delay or want of Satisfaction ; besides neither French , nor Spaniard , make any mention of the Guaranty ; and these States have resolved not to give it Spain , without the Satisfaction of the Swedish Subsidies . I know not whether it will be seasonable to press it here , without further Conjunctures , or at least , some Occasions given me from hence : But of this my Lord Keeper in your Lordships Absence , promised I should receive further Directions , and I may have some light given me from the Marquess Castel Rodrigo , if he passes this way , as I hear he intends , having commanded a Friend of mine at Brussels , to tell me , Ie l'embrasseray devray que partir on Espagne . Don Est●van told me , That in his last Letters from Spain , they told him , they were dispos'd to pay the Swedish Subsidies as much as we could wish them , Pero que stavan impossibili●ados . The Prince of Orange is not return'd as was expected from Breda , but is gone into Guelderlandt to Hunt , as his Friends say ; but the common Talk will have it , That 't is upon some such other Chase as his last in Zealand ; the Effects of which are now no more talk'd of , nor will be , unless renewed by some other such Adventure , or by his coming back hither , which they now talk of on Monday or Tuesday . I need not write here what Particulars , I know you hear by other Papers , as of Monsieur d'Estrades ▪ leaving his Embassage here , and Monsieur Pompone's coming in his room , and all such Matters which come to your Lordship from another Hand , which I would be glad to know how you are satisfied with . When I hear the Perfection of Sir Iohn Trevor's good Fortunes , I shall give him Joy of them ; In the mean time I give it your Lordship , upon your having brought about what I saw you had long desir'd , and upon your having a Friend of so great Merit , and so generally avowed both by the King , and I suppose , by the Commissioners of the Treasury ; For they will have it here , that the King lays down 8000l . to bring this about , which is a good Bargain for both him that comes in , and him that goes of . God send they may think I deserve my Bread while I am abroad , and that I may be able to eat it when I come Home , which will very much depend upon them I am sure . Pero lo mucho se guasta , y el poco basta ; at least it will to me whenever the King gives me no Necessity of Living , as I am sure , I do now to every Body , rather than to my self . I am ever as becomes me , My Lord , Your Lordships most Faithful , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . I forgot to tell your Lordship last time , and know not whether it be worth telling you now , That the Resignation of the Polish Crown was made on the 16th of last Month ; That the King retires to Avignon , and that the Regalities will continue in the Primate , Archbishop of Gnesna , till the Convention of the States , which is appointed in Ianuary : But being to be made in the open Field by the Customs of that Nation , it is not thought likely to be till March. The Competition seems to lie between the Duke of Neuburgh , and Duke Charles of ●o●rain ; His Majesty knows whether it will be fit to make any Compliment to the Duke of Neuburgh , or to interpose his Offices in this Election , as well as other Kings . LETTER III. Hague , Octob. 12. S. N. 68. SIR , HAving by this last Post received the knowledge from my Lord Arlington , of His Majesty's having called you into a share of His nearest Trust ; and thereby done Justice , both to His own Affairs , and your Merits : I could not omit rejoycing with you upon so Happy an Occasion , and telling you the part I take in all encreases of your good Fortunes and Honours , which I wish you may advance by the same Ways you have begun them , which I reckon to have been your avowed Usefulness to His Majesties , and the Kingdoms Service . I hope you will esteem it a Duty of your Charge to receive poor Ministers Abroad into your Protection , of which Number , some of our Friends will take care that I shall be one ; and in it there is nothing so troublesome , as that all should come from one Hand , and not so much as allow some variety in a Man's Ill Fortunes . However , mine shall never trouble me , so much as the Good Ones of my Friends shall please me ; and yet I will not allow yours to add any thing to the Professions I have already made of being , SIR , Your most Faithful , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER IV : Hague , Octob. 22. S. N. 68. SIR , WHEN I have acknowledged the Favour of yours of the 8th , I will make no other Return to the great Civilities of it , since there is no sort of Equality in that Commerce between us ; All I can say upon that Subject being but what is due from me to your Office as well as to your Person ; Whereas the least Advances you please to make in that kind , are more than I can pretend to , and so carry the weight of Obligations with them ; and therefore if you please , having acquitted my self of the Ceremonies due to the change of your Station in my last , I shall in this pay what I owe to that charge of Affairs , which my Lord Arlington told me , was left upon your Hands in his Absence . I know not whether the Business of the Marine Treaty be forgotten , or no ; But I never heard one word of it since I transmitted Monsieur de Witt 's Reflections upon it to my Lord Arlington , who sent me word it was left to your care . I am of Opinion that since it is stirr'd , and the Dutch see we are unsatisfied with the first , the sooner this Matter is agreed , the better , that they may not continue long in doubt how far our Complaints are like to reach , nor fear our improving them upon the Advances they make to our nearer Confidence and Friendship . For the Business of the General Guaranty , I am glad I consented not to have the Proposition of it given to the Swedish Envoy here , since I hear my Lord Keeper and you are scrupulous in it . That which is proposed were certainly better , for each to pay a Third , if we may do it in our manner , and afterwards to comprehend Spain in our Alliance upon such Terms of advantage as we can gain from them . And this was given me in my Instructions , and I often advanc'd it here at my first coming as an Expedient , in case Spain should refuse the Satisfaction ; But the Dutch would never hear of it , and especially Monsieur de Witt believing the Sum accorded to Sweden , to have been out of proportion : And tho' he would be content Spain should pay whatever we can induce them to ; yet he will by no means consent to Holland's satisfying any part ; so that I never yet thought sit to mention to Monsieur Appleboom , the way in which we pretended to pay our Share , not foreseeing the Affair at all likely to take that Train . On the other side , since the Queen of Spain's Refusal , the Swedes seem not concerned in what Spain does upon this Matter , pretending we and Holland are to take care of their Satisfaction , and that they are to look no further , as you will see in this enclosed Paper ; and Monsieur Appleboom upon all occasions presses us to advance the whole Sum to Sweden , and seek our Satisfaction of Spain afterterwards . In the mean time , our care was , that neither Spain nor Sweden should fall into any Counsels disagreeing with the Ends of our Triple Alliance , the one by disappointment of the Subsidies promised , and the other upon being prest to Payments upon Treaties where they had no share , and by which they were to receive no benefit , since the Guaranty of the Peace of Aix , was promised them , upon their giving Orders to the Baron Bergeyck to Sign it . Upon these Considerations Monsieur de Witt and I fell into those Thoughts which you will find exprest in his Paper sent by last Post , and by which we hoped Spain might be induced to make good the whole Satisfaction since Holland would take no share in it , unless for the future in case of Action upon the Guaranty . That which leads me to those Conceptions ( besides the necessity , since no other occurred ) was that by the very Articles of the Peace of Aix , ratifying that of the Pireneaes , if we give Guaranty for one , we do it actually for t'other too ; And besides , I could not think there were any hazard for the King in what posture of Affairs soever to enter into Action against France upon the pursuit of their Greatness , when He did it jointly with Spain , Sweden , and Holland ; for with that Circumstance I imagin'd the occasion of doing it , was ever rather to be sought than avoided . However I shall go on to Sound and Press Monsieur de Witt yet farther , whether taking upon them a part of the Swedish Satisfaction ▪ will go down here , or no ; and if I find any hopes of it , I shall then likewise Sound Monsieur Appleboom , whether our way of paying one Share will be accepted in Sweden , which perhaps may be as doubtful as t'other . In the mean time I should be very loath we should give the Dutch any grounds to suspect , that having brought them to make bolder Paces against France , then they were inclin'd to ( only upon Confidence of our Company ) we should begin to make our Paces upon the same way with more Reserve , and Caution ; which to say truth , is a scruple has been in many of their Heads , and very often consest to me by several here : And if it should encrease far upon this occasion , and at the same time a stop be given to some agreement upon the Marine Treaty , whereby we should own our Satisfaction in that Matter , I doubt it might be of ill consequence , since any change of Dispositions would be , I think , for the worse ; their present ones running the High Road to loose all sort of Considence , or Dependance upon France ; and consequently having it upon us , in which I presume , it is our Interest not to fail them . However , I suppose , all are of Opinion , that the gaining full Powers this way , both from Spain and Sweden , towards a general Concert in this Affair , is to be desired , and that is my chief care to bring about ; and I hope it will be so too in England . My Lord Keeper's Illness , and my Lord Arlington's Absence , make me save their trouble this Post ; and therefore I desire you will please to communicate to them what falls to your share , with the enclosed from Sweden , tho' I cannot hear that Negotiation is yet advanced any farther than Letters . I am ever with very much Reason , and very much Truth , SIR , Your most Faithful humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER V. Hague ; Octob. 26. S. N. 68. SIR , SINCE a very long one to my Lord Arlington , with the Account of my late Conference with Monsieur de Witt ; I have the Honour of yours of the 13th , with an Instruction , tho' not in form , for my carriage in the present Affair , concerning the Swedish Subsidies . I have neither Time left , nor shall I have occasion to say much upon it , but hope the want of form in that Instruction will be supplied ; and for the Substance , I shall make it my utmost Endeavour here to bring it about , tho' I can promise nothing as to the Success of it yet , having ever found them resolved against it . I shall say no more , but that you put me here upon very hard Parts ; my whole Business having been hitherto , since the first step I made last Year into this Country , to engage Holland into as bold and forward Paces against France , and for the Defence of Spain , as we were content to make our selves ; and they remember very well the Proposal I made them last Winter , of an Offensive and Defensive League to that purpose . How far beyond Hopes I have succeeded in this pursuit , I need not tell you after the Paper Monsieur de Witt drew up as an Expedient for the Swedish Satisfaction . The Province you give me now , is to temper them in this warmth upon this occasion , and yet to satisfie them that His Majesty's backwardness to accompany them in it , as far as they are willing to go , proceeds not from any change of Measures , or Temper in us ; tho' to avoid it , we are content to lay down a good Sum of Money for Sweden , which they think is a Commodity we cannot spare , but upon a very great Occasion . I that know the King a little , and His Ministers a great deal , believe this perfectly , but doubt it will not be without difficulty to make every Body else believe it ; especially at a time when all Mouths here are full of Monsieur Colbert , and his Negotiations : However , I will go as far in it as I can , and doubt not to go as far as any Man else shall do , by the Credit of my Plainness and Truth among them here , and by their belief that when the King falls into other Measures , he will use some other Hand here , and not mine ; which , I hope , you will be of Opinion to do as my Lord Arlington promis'd me he would . In the mean time to help me in this Pass , I wish I might have something given me to say about the Marine Treaty , and that the Imprisonment of this poor Man at Harwich , were out of the way , unless we are sure we have Right of our side ; and such a Right as we are resolv'd to make out , upon every occasion , for upon a less than this , I think we cannot do it . I will presume to say , That you have now sufficient Testimonies of what I always perswaded my self concerning Monsieur de Witt 's being a perfect Hollander , and no more a Frenchman than any thing else : I will now tell you my further Opinion of him ; which is , That if we think to make use of any Advances he may have made against France , past retreat , towards the gaining any Points , or Advantages of the States , which he esteems not reasonable or fit , he is a Man to venture all , rather then suffer , or consent to it , this Maxime running through his whole Frame ; That a State is at an end , when they are brought to grant the smallest Matter out of Fear , or to offer at purchasing any Alliances , otherwise than by Mutual Interests , and Reciprocal Advantages . I say this , because Actions spring much from Men's Dispositions , who are in the Head of them ; and there is nothing so necessary towards Treating , as knowing the Persons with whom they are to Treat . By the next I hope to give some account , what progress I am likely to make upon my last Instruction . I beg your Favour in excusing me this Post to my Lord Keeper , from whom I received one at the same time with yours , and your Justice in esteeming me what I am always , SIR , Your most Humble , and most Obedient Servant , W. Temple . LETTER VI. Hague , Octob. 30. S. N. 68. SIR , SINCE my last , I have made the best use I could of the very good Arguments you were pleased to furnish me with in yours of the 13th , for disposing them here towards your Expedient of sharing the Swedish Subsidies , and satisfying them of our fair Intentions in waving that other of the General Guaranty proposed here . I have in a long Letter to my Lord Arlington , given an Account of that Conference , to which I must beg leave to refer you , as containing the Answer both of what came to me from your Hands in that of the 13th , and likewise in another of the 16th , which I receive just upon the close of this Pacquet , containing the pursuit of the same Counsels you were pleased to transmit to me in your last . Though I have time left to do no more , yet I would not omit to acknowledge it by this Post , and to continue the Assurances of my being ever as becomes me , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER VII . Hague , Novemb. 4. S. N. 68. SIR , I Am to acknowledge one from you of the 1st past , with a Command from His Majesty to complain of an Insolence committed by one Brackel , a Dutch Captain in the Mediterranean , and to demand Reparation in His Majesty's Name , which I shall not fail to do by a Memorial to the States at their next Sitting , and send you an Account of it by the next Post. Upon the last I gave them in Major Bannister's behalf , they immediately order'd Letters to be written to the States of Zealand for his Liberty , which , I doubt not , he has by this tme ; having had Assurances given me by some of the Lords of Zealand , that it should be done before any Orders came from the States-General to that purpose : And I have taken this occasion to discourse with Monsieur de Witt concerning the Liberty of all English Transporting themselves and their Estates from that Colony , which at last he seem'd to think reasonable , notwithstanding any Oaths they may have taken : The only Difficulty which I foresee in it , will be about their Lands and Immoveable Goods , for which , I see not how they will get Satisfaction , in case the Dutch that remain combine together , either not to buy at all , or to do it at the most Inconsiderable Prizes . I am very glad to know of any Minister from His Majesty , being ▪ on his Way to Brussels , for all our great Business lies now at the Spaniards Door : And they have here a Minister , I doubt , very unlikely to bring it to any Conclusion , and yet Jealous of seeing it pass through any other's Hands , and so unsatisfied with the Talk of the Baron d'Isola's going to Hamburgh , or coming hither . God send us a good Issue in this Negotiation , which , I confess , I something apprehend , and that the Spring should find our Triple Alliance as loose as the Summer left it , which our Neighbours , I doubt , will not fail to make the best Advantage of . I must acknowledge your Favour in the Offers of taking care of me , upon the review of the Establishments for Ambassadors ; For if it were my Talent either to ask or complain , I doubt I should have as much reason as another Man , in a place where by all Mens consent , the same Train of Living will cost a full third part more than either at Paris , or London : And for the necessity of appearing , the late Ambassadors of France , Spain , Sweden , and Portugal , have brought it as high , as in any other Court , by the Number of Liveries , and keeping Publick Tables ; Whereas Sir Dudley Carleton , the last English Ambassador here , keept no Page , and but two Footmen , and one Coach and four Horses ; And had his House allow'd him by the States , which is to cost me 200 l. a Year . And yet upon the Establishment of those Times , and the Count d'Estrades here , mine was fix'd ; whereas the Count , tho ▪ he had but Ten Thousand Crowns a Year for his Ambassage , yet had Sixty five Thousand Francs a Year of the King His Master's Money , for his Governments and Ambassage together : Besides a Regiment here in Holland , which made him live at a Rate that will cost his Successors dear , unless by common consent we can all agree to reduce it ; Which , I am sure I should be as glad of for the Ease , as the Parsimony of it . Unless we can do this , I resolve to live on , as I thought it was necessary , for the King's Honour I should begin , for the rest of one Year , and lie at the King's Mercy for it , as well as I do for having had my whole Train of Ambassador to Aix upon my Hands two Months , by his Majesty's Commands , without one Penny 's Allowance for it . And therefore I shall not trouble you with any Complaints concerning my Establishment , having once said , That since the King thought such Retrenchments necessary , I was content to give the Example , and would go through with it , so long as my own Fortune would bear me out without Ruine : But in case the Establishment be broken for other Persons , I will not believe the King will break the Absolute Promise he made me ( as the Commissioners likewise did ) that I should share with them to the full in the Advantage of it , which is all the Pretension I will recommend to my Friends Justice and Favour . For in such a Distinction , the Dishonour of it will be yet more sensible , than the Disadvantage . I know not how to excuse this Trouble , but that the obliging Advances you were pleased to make me upon this Subject , were the occasions of drawing it all upon you from , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER VIII . Hague , Novemb. 13. S. N. 68. SIR , I Have since my last , had the Honour of two from you of the 23d and 26th past ; And must refer you for Answer to all Points in the first , to this Nights Dispatch to my Lord Arlington ; and likewise to the first part of your second , having valued that strain of His Majesty's Confidence with the States , as far as I could ; And I hope , upon the whole , to keep all in good Temper here , whilst no change of Temper happens among their Neighbours . I sent immediately your Letter to Monsieur Van Benninghen , but doubt I shall not receive much Assistance from him , in disposing the States to the sharing of the Swedish Subsidies ; Against which , he seems as much bent as Monsieur de Witt ; And more upon promoting the other Expedient of Inviting Spain to the whole Payment , by a General Guaranty . I expect your Resolutions there upon the Marine Treaty ; For though I am not called upon for them here , yet they would be glad to see an end of all , upon which they foresee Disputes may arise . For the second part of your last Letter , I have particularly informed my self , and find , that the Military and Oeconomical parts , have ever been perfectly distinct in the Administration of the Admiralty of these Countries ; And that no Prince of Orange ever had any thing to do in the Disposition of the last , nor any of the Lieutenant-Admirals since ; as Tromp , Opdam , or Ruyter ; The course of that Administration being subordinately in the several Admiralties , but supreamly in the States themselves , as the Military part is now , since the Death of the last Prince of Orange . There are five several Admiralties under these States ; The first of Rotterdam , the second of Amsterdam , which bears a double Share with the rest , the third of Zealand , the fourth of North-Holland , the fifth of Friezland . In the Time of Peace , the Ships maintained by the States , are only for Convoys ; And towards their defraying , the Customs upon all Merchant Ships , are payed in to the respective Admiralties where they come in ; And all that Revenue is , by these Admiralties , imployed in the maintaining of Convoys for their Merchants . In Time of War , the States resolve what Number of Ships they will set out , and send for Commissioners from each Admiralty , to consult with , concerning the Sizes of them , to be furnished by the several Admiralties : And likewise concerning the Charge of Equipping , Victualling , and Maintaining them . When this is agreed by the States , with the Commissioners of the several Admiralties , the Moneys are assigned by them accordingly , to the Admiralties , by whom the whole Care is taken of applying it , according to the Proportions agreed on . The Benefit of the Admiral , and Lieutenant Admirals , consists chiefly in the Share they have of all Prizes taken ; The Prince of Orange having had no particular Pension as Admiral , but One Hundred and Twenty Thousand Guilders a Year , as Captain General and Admiral ; And de Ruyter , at present , not having above Five Thousand Guilders a Year , as Lieutenant Admiral . Upon setting out any Ships , the several Admiralties named two Captains , of which , the Admiral chose one , which the States do now , since the last Prince's Death ; And the Lieutenant Admiral has only Power to supply provisionally any void place when he is at Sea. If you desire to be satisfied in any Particulars I have not touch'd , you need but repeat them in any new Commands ; Which shall be Obeyed by , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER IX . Hague , Novemb. 30. S. N. 68. SIR , I Have this Day received the Honour of one from you of the 13th Current , and doubt not you will before this arrives , have received the Account I gave in my last , of the great Satisfaction Monsieur de Witt exprest upon the last Paper transmitted me , in answer to his Memorial , and upon the whole Business now in agitation , which will now run on with joynt Motions , as well as Intentions ; And the Issue of them must be expected from Spain , which makes it very doubtful to me , considering the posture of their Affairs , and course of their Councils , and the great Dissatisfaction they express with the delay of our Guaranty , and the refusal of entring into a Defensive Alliance with them . Our want of Ministers in Spain , and their want of such here , as are very proper ▪ for the present Conjuncture , are very great Maims in this Business . My Lord ▪ Arlington has all I can yet say upon the Marine Treaty ; And I am very much of your Opinion , That since this is begun , it will be better to end it , before we pursue that of Guiny any further : Tho ▪ I omitted not to pursue that as far as I could , with the Informations and Instructions I had upon it ; And signified to my Lord Arlington , in my last upon that Subject , what further Pieces would be necessary for any further prosecution of that Matter . I shall put in a Memorial to Morrow for the Liberty of Major Bannister ; Which , I believe ▪ I had before obtain'd from the States of Zealand , in particular , without troubling His Majesty about it , had one of my Friends been as diligent in that Matter as he promised me . I send you enclosed , the Charge upon which he was sent from Surin●m ; And for as much as I can hear of the Business , I am of Opinion his Case is hard , tho' Monsieur Meerman says , It is in Dispute , whether the inhabitants there not going away , as was at first permitted , but staying and taking the Oath of Fidelity to the Dutch , became not their Subjects . I enclose a Letter I lately received from Major Bannister , and doubt not of Satisfaction to His Majesty , in what concerns him . I am ever with very much Passion and Truth , tho' at this time , with very much haste , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER X. Hague ; Decemb. 11. S. N. 68. SIR , I Am to acknowledge one from you of the 24th past ; Whereby I find that the Agreement fallen into , concerning the Guaranty , was as wellcome in England , as it was here ; And I doubt not but there will be the same Concurrence on both sides , in the way of pursuing it , tho' I can yet give no further Account of that Matter , having been so Indisposed , since my last , with an extream Cold , that I have been forced to keep my Chamber . I cannot tell whether Monsieur Beverning , or Van ●enninghen , will be pitch'd upon to go to Brussels , nor in what Quality they will go : Whether as deputed from the States , or without Character , but it is certain what you observe , That if I go , it cannot be as an Ambassador , but Incognito ; And for my Letters of Credence , or Powers , they must be according to what His Majesty shall think of to be Treated there : I suppose the Point will be the Accom●li●h●●●t of our Guaranty , upon their Satisfa●t 〈…〉 of the Swedish Subsidies , and for the Offers which will be prest by the Spaniards , of à Defensive League . I suppose the Intention is to let them draw no further than into such Discourse as may sound the bottom of those Advantages they may carry with them . But to the main End proposed , next to that of the Subsidies , by these States in this Negotiation , is to possess Spain , all that can be , with the Assurance of the same Support to Flanders , they will give to any of their own Provinces : So to raise the Confidence both of Spain , and the Government in Flanders , and keep them from any thoughts of Treating with France ; or abandoning the utmost Defence of those Provinces . I doubt there is another , Point where●n the States will prove something forwarde● than His Majesty , as well as they seemed so in the Guaranty of the Pyrenoean Treaty , which is in a concert of doing our jo●●t Offices to dispose France to some assurance of not breaking this Peace , as far as it touches Flanders , even upon the King of Spain's Death ; Which is a Point , that tho' I had the first Orders to Sound them in , yet I know not whether we are disposed to keep pace with them now in it , but should be glad to know His Majesty's Thoughts , for my own Government upon ●cca●●on . There is another Point likewise , wherein I should be glad to be instructed ; which is in case we succeed in inducing the Spaniards to reason upon our Guaranty ; Yet I am confident they will ●●●●st ▪ as the Marquess ever did , u●●● ou● entring into a particular concert with them , upon the Specification of Means and Forces ▪ by which every one should ●●●●●iged to maintain the Peace , in case of a Rupt●●e from France ; In which concert , 〈…〉 should be likewise comprehended ●s well a● we . For the second particular of your Letter , which concerns Major Bannister , there need nothing more be said to prove the Reason his Majesty had to demand his Liberty , which , I will hope , he has already , having never heard from him since the last Assurance I had from the Lords of Zealand , there should be no difficulty in it . I cannot yet give any further Account concerning the Marine Treaty , but shall press it on upon my very first stirring out of my Chamber . This I cannot but remark upon it ; That notwithstanding those high and violent Exclamations that were made by some , ( and as they said , the City ) against the Marine Treaty , as it was ● ▪ greed to by his Majesty last Winter upon so great Motives from the Conjuncture of other more publick Interests at that 〈…〉 ; Yet all that Noise produced only two Exceptions against any thing contained in that Treaty , and already agreed by the Treaty of Breda , with the Term of a Provisional , that differ'd little or nothing from a Perpetual . That having induced the Dutch to give His Majesty intire satisfaction upon those two Exceptions . I do not find we think any thing considerable gained by it , unless we gain likewise every one of five or six new Propositions made by the East-India Company upon that Subject ; and such , as I doubt , whether Sir George Downing would have given any hopes of before the War , tho' the End of that cannot be supposed to have given us any great Advantage in our Negotiations here . I said every one of our Propositions , because I find by your last Letter , nothing will be thought done without that Point of passing by their Forts , which ▪ I know , will be of more Difficulty than all the rest ; And upon which , I desired to be furnisht with Arguments from President and Practise in the Indies , as well as from Reason grounded upon the Ius Gentium here in Europe ; The whole course of things being , as Monsieur de Witt says , quite different in the Indies , from what it is any where else ; And disagreeing with all common Rules of Justice and Right observed in other places , as he was , I remember , very large in instancing upon our forbidding all to Traffick in our Colonies . I observe , you say this of passing by Forts , was never denied before the Dutch began it ; Whereas I remember one of Monsieur Van Benninghen's Arguments upon it was , That it would be d'introduire une noveaute ; For all Nations had done it , from the very first of the Spaniands Discoveries in the Indies ; That the first Footing used to be made by any European Nation in those Parts , was only upon Coasts and Rivers ; Where being fixed , they propagated their Commerce and Plantations by degrees into the Country ; And did it chiefly by forbidding all other Nations to come , or Trade into those Parts , whose Passes were first seated by their Forts . Besides , he said it was observ'd indistinctly to all , as well as by all , that if they gave this Liberty to us , it would be immediately demanded likewise by the French , and other Nations their Allies , to whom it was equally now denied as well as to us . I remember Monsieur de Wit went further into the History of those Parts , and the Transactions there , and told me , That our Interest in the Indies , lay chiefly in Colonies , and theirs chiefly in Forts upon large Coasts , and Agreements with the Natives for sole Commerce ; That in the first , our Interest was much greater than theirs , but in the last , theirs very much greater than ours ; So that tho' those Points carried the Face of being Reciprocal , yet the Disadvantage and Loss was single to them , whilst we forbid their Traffick to our Colonies , which was the main of our Interest , and they suffered ours under their Forts , and to the Nations in Contract with them , which was the main of theirs . I repeat these Discourses to the Ends I may be furnish'd with Reasons upon them at our further Conferences , in case they continue to insist upon theirs . It seems further , by your constant m●ntion of the East-Indies alone upon this Subject , you intend not the Rules agreed upon , should reach only to them ; Whereas if they grant any thing hard to ●●em there , I suppose they will insist upon its being general to West , as well as East . I beg my Excuses may go here to my Lord Arlington , having nothing to communicate this Post , but what was due in Answer to the Particulars of yours , nor received any from his Lordship these four last Posts . Having nothing more to add to this Trouble , I Kiss your Hands and remain , SIR , Your most Humble , and most Obedient Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XI ▪ Hague , Decemb. 14. S. N. 68. SIR , THough I have so ill a Head still with my Cold , that I could hardly hold 〈◊〉 in my Letter to my Lord Arlington ; 〈◊〉 I cannot omit the Acknowledgment of 〈…〉 rs of the 27th past , with the enclosed 〈…〉 ter of Credence to the Constable , and 〈…〉 py of it . 〈…〉 cannot yet tell how soon I shall make 〈…〉 of it , since it must be in concert with 〈…〉 States : Nor do I know whether it will 〈…〉 first be necessary for me to have Pow 〈…〉 as well as Credence . 〈…〉 forgot to tell my Lord , that the Prince Orange came to me last Night to let me 〈…〉 w , that hearing the ●●●●●● were en 〈…〉 g into s●me Neg●●iati●●● with Spain , 〈…〉 ad put up a Memorial to desi●● the Sa 〈…〉 ction due to H●s 〈…〉 〈…〉 ●he P●●ce Munster , might be 〈◊〉 it ●nd ●esired me I would 〈…〉 〈…〉 M●je●●y wise to instruct any Minister ●●●●● to 〈…〉 purpose . I will believe Major Banister is by this time with you , and has waked People at the Exchange , out of their Dreams upon that occasion : For I have assurance from the States of his Liberty , and hear not one Word from him . I am with that Duty as becomes me , SIR , Your most Obedient Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XII . Hague , Decemb. 18. S. N. 68. SIR , I Am to acknowledge the Honour of one from you newly arriv'd , of the 4th Current , with enclosed Copies of Monsieur Boreel's Memorial , and His Majesty's intended Answer upon the Detention of the Dutch Captain , and shall not fail to make the Explication as fair as I can , when occasion is given me : But I am yet in doubt , whether we having done our selves Right so fully in this Matter , it will be my part to make the first Complaints , or expect theirs , and return mine in Satisfaction of them ; which Doubt I was more confirmed in , by a Clause of my Lord Arlington's Letter , that bids me , in case it falls out so , that I hear of the Captains being gone away , then I should make few words of this Matter , contenting my self with a positive Demand of the Prisoner Iones ; So that I shall let two or three Days pass in expectation of hearing what becomes of the Captain , or how the States resent it . I hope Major Bannister will get away with this Pacquet , who doubts of Iones his coming to Surinam about any fair Errand ▪ He will be the best able of any Man , to give His Majesty an Account of those Plantations ; And you will find by them , our Countrymen there are not in Chains , as they would have it upon the Exchange All the End of either good or bad Usage towards them from the Dutch , proceeding , as I suppose , only from their Desire● to induce them to an Willingness of continuing there ; To which , I do not conceive bad Usage a common Motive . On the other side Major Bannister has had from them all the Offers he could wish o● Advantage ; and twice among others , that of being Governour there . I think the Man may be of much use to the King in those Parts where he has spent , in a manner , his whole Life , and is ( as he says of himself ) a meer Indian : And I judge it so far , as to believe him without the Artificial Vices of Europe , as well as without their Fashions and Manners ; And therefore it will be necessary , if you intend to make use of him , to give him a little Countenance , till he gets into some Acquaintance , having none at all in England . I will save you the Trouble of repeating what I have written to my Lord Arlington , concerning the Marine Treaty , and can yet say nothing of my Journey to Brussels ▪ neither Monsieur Van Benninghen , nor Beverning , having accepted of the Commission ; Though Monsieur de Witt tells me , The States will lose no time in it , but he judges it necessary for us , both to have Powers , as well as Credentials to produce , since the Constable has so . I Kiss your Hands , and am always , SIR , Your most Obedient , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XIII . Hague , Decemb. 28. S. N. 68. SIR , I Have this Day received the Honour of Two from you of the 8th and 11th current ; Whereby I understand the Release of the Captain of the Dutch Vessel , at the Isle of Wight , so as there is nothing left for me to endeavour in that Matter , but Mr. Iones his Liberty , which I have no reason to doubt of ; Having gain'd Assurances last Saturday from the several Deputies of Zealand here , as well as from Monsieur de Witt , the Day before ; That they would upon my Memorial to the States , use their Interest pour adoucir ● ▪ Affaire , in the Terms it was then understood , and dispose the States to write away to the States of Zealand , to give Orders to their Captain , for the speedy Release of his Prisoner ; Of which , I doubt not , you will suddenly receive a good Account . I shall be glad to be furnish'd by the next with the Replies you are pleased to promise me to the several Arguments used here against that single Proposition of the East-India Company , upon which I see the whole strength is put to gain there , and to defend here , which is sufficient demonstration of the Importance of it , and that , and the King's Pleasure , sure Argument's enough to me , for the inciting all my Diligence and Zeal towards the effecting your Desires upon them . But I cannot yet say any thing of the Success , though I shall think you make a very great step towards it , if you send me very sound and fair Answers to those several and particular Arguments used here against it , which I sent you in two of mine , ●oing , I think , all I had met with ; But ●ome of them of such seeming force against a Man unarm'd in the Point , and un●erst in the Field , that , I confess , all my Retreat was to the Interest the Dutch had to satisfie us , ( transcendent to the Considerations of Traffick ) and to the unlike●●hood I saw of their doing it without ●ompliance to us in this point , though it ●●ould be , as they say , new in Practice of ●he World , and draw on the Consequence ●f the same Indulgences to all their other ●llies , or of Disputes amongst the Offi●ers and Traders in those Parts . I can add nothing to what I have for●erly said of my Brussels Journey , the Thoughts of that , or any thing else , being not like to be resumed till after the Holydays of this Week , which Monsieur de Witt is gone to pass at Amsterdam , and all the Deputies of the States , into their several Towns , and intend not to be back till the End of the Week . I believe before they resolve to send to Brussels , they are willing to see what may be the End of the Baron d'Isola's Journey hither ; Who has been now several Days expected : But upon what Errand , or whether with or without particular Character , or Commission , is not known . I have nothing to add to this , but to wish you a Merry Christmas , and to assure you of my being always , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple ▪ LETTER XIV . Hague , Ianuary 1. S. N. 68. SIR , I Have this Day the Honour of two from you of the 5th and 18th , with two Papers enclosed in the first concerning the East-India Propositions , and one in the last about the English Company at Dort. I am very glad to be possest of the several Arguments given me both in the first Papers , and yours of the 18th , to support the Reason of your Demands , and instances upon the Point of passing their Forts ; And , I suppose , the Issue of it will lie chiefly upon that Particular , wherein I am glad to find all your Assertions so positive , that is ▪ the Newness of their Practice to the contrary , limited to the Seven Years last past , which , if well grounded , make the thing clear on our side , in my Opinion , and I shall endeavour to make it clear to them ; That as their Hardships to us , in this Indian Commerce , have already given the occasion to one War , so the continuance of them , must of necessity do it in time to another , which must make the force of all our Arguments , though something weaker , for the Ill Success of the last : But considering their Constitution , and that of their East-India Company , whose Strength is grown to be , in a great degree , that of the State , and whose Interests are infused through all the Parts and Members of it , it must be great Respects here that draw them to any in those parts , where , I doubt , they are too strong to be argued with , but with Reasons from hence . I resolve against our next Conference , to digest the force of all your Reasons and Answers to theirs , into a Paper in French , and leave it with the Commissioners to reflect upon , after I have discours'd the Matter to them : For I cannot expect their Resolution , as you seem to hope , at their next sitting , and without report to their Principals . In this pursuit I shall loose no time , Monsieur de Witt being expected back from Amsterdam this Night : Monsieur Van Benninghen returned Yesterday , as most others will do suddenly after , having past the Holydays in their respective Towns. I shall likewise , upon occasion , assist those of the English Company of Dort , in pursuance of his Majesty's Commands , which I did as well as I could before , only upon the Name of a National Thing : And indeed , without my appearing in it , the Thing had been resolved by the States , to the Companies prejudice , some Weeks since ; For it is a Matter all the Towns in Holland , except Dort , are bent upon . I send you enclosed , the Resolution of the States , upon my Memorial in behalf of Mr. Iones his Liberty , which I doubt not of , but wonder very much to hear nothing yet of Major Bannister's Arrival in England . I have nothing left but to wish you a Merry Christmas , and continue the assured Professions of my being , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XV. Hague , Ianuary 8. S. N. 68. My Lord , THE last Post brought me your Lordships of the 22d past , with the enclosed Copies of the Instruments given to the Count de Dona , concerning the Swedish Subsidies , and the Method of obtaining them ; Which Pieces had not been before Communicated to me from your Lordship , or any of your Officers : But I thought it necess●ry at my coming hither , to see them , and so procured a Copy from Monsieur ●e Witt , by which I learn'd what he maintain'd ; That we had no Obligation to Sweden , besides that of our Offices to Spain ; And at the same time , I confess , wonder'd to see the Guaranty promis'd to Spain , upon their Signing the Peace , and an Engagement made to Sweden , not to perform the Effect of it without the Payment of their Subsidies , which was no Condition in our promise to Spain . All that I can think of to reconcile this Contradiction , is the Necessity we found of engaging Sweden , and the Uncertainty we were in of the Peace being effected after our Promise of the Guaranty was given , which was some few Days before my going to Aix . If we had any other Reflections in this Negotiation , I should be glad to know them , being like to have use of them in treating with the Spaniards , at least if their Ambassador here be instructed in their Intentions . For two Days since , he was upon these Discourses , declaiming hard against the Dutch , for imposing first an Unjust Peace upon them , and afterwards such a Sum granted to the Swedes for their good Pleasure ; Since if the Swedish Troops had been kept up , it was at the Desire of the Dutch , not of the Spaniards , who made the Peace upon assurance in ours and Holland's Guaranty : And whatsoever Sums were promised Sweden by the Triple Alliance , were , as he alledged , after the Peace concluded . Though he mention'd the Dutch only in his Complaints , yet I knew he forgot not their Partners in the course of that Action : But I thought it not necessary to enter into the Defence of it , by the exact Computation o● the Dates of the Instruments , or any thing besides the necessity of keeping Sweden from engaging with France , and asked him , Whether i● they could have a General Guaranty of their Dominions from the Triple-Alliance , he thought it not cheap bought at Five hundred Thousand Crowns . He said , that was promised by us at the Signing of the Peace , that if they had it from Sweden it was enough to pay what they expected upon the Execution of it for the time to come ; That if it were necessary to do it for the Time past , they would come in for their share , and with that fell into Passion against Monsieur de Witt ; Who , h● said , hindred them from being received into the Triple-Alliance , Par un , Politique qui le tromperoit à la ●in ; That for fear of offending France , which they could not do more than they had done already , they would force Spain to Counsels they had no mind to , and much more to this purpose . In the mean time the Swedish Ministers here , are not impower'd to joyn with us in a General Guaranty , and make many Difficulties in their Discourses upon it , as to the extent of it beyond the Defence of Flanders , and to the more open and direct shocking of France ; But all this from them seems to tend towards the obtaining further Annual Subsidies from Spain , secured to them by us and Holland , as well as ascertaining the sudden Satisfaction of what is already promised ; So that between the Weakness of the Spanish Treasures and Councils , and the Swedes hardness in bargaining , and selling the very found of his Name at so dear a rate , I doubt much , as I have done long , to find this Matter of a difficult Issue , but the first Pace that I see is to be made in it is , since the Powers are in the Constables Hands , to make a short Tryal of the utmost Spain will do ; And procure if we can at least the Promises of Satisfaction to Sweden , and value them to Sweden , as far as we can towards continuing them in the Alliance , upon Hopes , if not present Performances from Spain : And this , I shall endeavour , if either the Baron d'Isola comes hither , which , they say , has been delayed by his Illness ; Or if upon the Arrival of His Majesties Powers and Instructions , a Person from hence be ready to accompany me in a Journey to Brussels . For the States have not yet engaged any Person towards it , and have this Quality of all other States , to be very slow in their Resolutions , unless when they are prest by some instant Necessity . I cannot yet meet with my Commissioners upon the Marine Treaty ; The first of them ▪ Monsieur Huygens , being but come Yesterday to Town since the Holydays ; And Monsieur Meerman , who is the second , being but this Day expected . In the mean while I loose no time in advancing it by Conferences with the particular Persons among them ; Who assure me , and Monsieur Van Benninghen expresly for his Town of Amsterdam , that if it be , as we represent it , either the Redress of a late Innovation , or the prevention of one we fear , that those we have hitherto called their Forts , prove but their Ware-Houses built in other Princes Territories ; We shall have all the Satisfaction we can wish in it , and may assure our selves they intend not any juggling with us , or disputing upon any thing that is fair and reasonable ; But declare , it for his Opinion , That in all these Matters of Commerce between us , they should not only give us what is reasonable , but something more , if it be necessary to the fortifying of our Alliance : He assures me , that since my last Conference with Monsieur de Witt , he has sent to Amsterdam for a more particular State of this Matter , in order to our Satisfaction : But they both desire we would be likewise more particular in naming the Places we are most concern'd in , that thereby they may come to know exactly the nature of our Demand . I know not any thing I can add to what I have said already concerning Instructions and Powers to be sent me for Brussels , tho' your Lordship is pleased to desire it from me . His Majesty knows how far he would have me go , and by what steps , and accordingly my Instructions must be drawn , and the Powers upon them either general , or referring particularly to the Guaranty intended . But , I suppose , in both Instructions and Powers , there will be a Clause obliging me to do all in conjunction with the Holland Minister . And I should be glad to know likewise whether in case upon the arrival of my Instructions , I am prest both by the Dutch , and the Season , to make this Journey before I shall have ended the main Negotiation ; I am to leave this last imperfect , till my return : For as this seems to be laid to Heart in England , I should be loath , without express Orders , to leave it for any other Occasion . The Portugal Ambassadour is every Day expected , upon whose Arrival , I shall not fail to pursue your Lordships Commands , in valuing His Majesties Offices as far as I can , towards that Conclusion , as well as endeavour to continue the Baron de Bowstetten's good Offices in Switzerland . I am ever as becomes me , My Lord , Your Lordships most Faithful , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XVI . Hague , Ianuary 15. S. N. 69. SIR , MY last Dispatches to my Lord Arlington , will , I hope , excuse my not having then ( as I ought ) acknowledged yours of the 22th past , and given you the best Account I could of what it chiefly concern'd , which was the Progress upon the remaining Point of the Ma●ine Treaty ; Wherein I have confidence of succeeding , if upon your Specification of particular places , they are found to be of the same Nature you have defined them in general ▪ That is , Magazines fortified , or small Forts built for security of their Merchandizes , in the Territories of other Princes ; Or else such Forts by which we have usually passed without interruption , till of late Years . My Lord Arlington was pleased in his last , to promise me this Specification , which is all that remains towards bringing the whole Matter to an Issue : And till that arrives , I think there is not much lost by the delay of our Conference , though I have sent every Day to the first Commissioner according to the Form , to know whether they are ready , that I might appoint an Hour for it : But he has been so regular a Man the remainder of these Holy-days , that what with his being at Dinner sometimes at eight at Night , and in Bed other times at eleven in the Morning , he has not yet brought it to pass , tho' made me now expect he will to Morrow : Concerning the Business of the Merchants Company at Dort , I have not received any new Complaints from them , or Fears , since His ▪ Majesty's Order to interpose in that Business ; Which , to say truth , I had stopt the last Assembly of the States of Holland , wholly by Monsieur de Witt 's Address ; Who being of the Town of D●rt , I ●ind is no Enemy to the Company , but for that very reason is tender of appearing in a thing upon which all the other Towns of Holland are bent . I have endeavour'd against this next Session of the States of Holland , to engage Monsieur Van Benninghen , to temper his Town of Amsterdam in that Matter , but find him difficult in it : His chief Reasons are , First , It was a voluntary thing of the States , at the time of their greatest dependance upon England , while they had our Money and Men , and we their Towns. Secondly , That they had then the same Priviledge granted to their Merchants at London . Thirdly , That it was granted with a Clause of the States revoking i● at any time at three Months warning given the Merchants . And Lastly , That the raising our Customs upon their Commodities , since those Times , has been so exorhitant , that if the King expects the continuance of this Company here , the States have reason to hope he will come to some Moderation towards their Trassick there ; Since if the Priviledges of this Company should be taken away , our Merchants would be only brought to the same Payments that theirs are , upon the Importation of our Cloaths , and consequently would not ●ay a fourth part so much Custom for a whole Piece of our Cloath , as we have laid upon every Yard of theirs . After all these Reasons , I believe the whole Matter was both rais'd and revived by the Town of Rotterdam , upon the Removal of the Company some Years since , from thence to Dort ; And now upon the Removal of the Scotch Staple to the sam● place , from Terveur , and Sir William Davison's having sent Orders to all the Scotch Traders at Rotterdam , to remove from thence to Dort. So that there seems to be more of Envy in it from the other Towns of Holland and Zealand against Dort , for having engrost the two Staples , then of Peek , against the English Company . But since His Majesty has commanded me , I shall watch the Motions of this Matter the best I can , and thought it necessary for once , to give you this General Account of the State of it . You will have found , that the Alarm you mention in your Letter given by the Report of the Commissioners at Lis●e being parted without any Agreement , was rather a Presage than a Truth : For I have not met any Person here , that has had from the beginning , any hopes of a Conclusion there . The French are certainly resolved to keep that Door open , and so have the Time when to fall in , left at their own choice . It will be our parts , I suppose , to delay it all we can , as well as to hind●r it at last , as far as we are able , And if the Returns of their Complements to us of late , will do any thing towards it , I wish we had an Ambassadour already in France , though I am apt to think it must be by bold and firm , rather than civil Paces , that they must be induced to give over this Design , which we might make perhaps safely and quietly enough , if we were fallen into a right concert upon our Triple-Alliance ; I mean such , wherein both Spain and Sweden would find their Satisfaction : And if we had once diverted France from the suddain Violence of their Proceedings , we might imploy our Offices towards a Treaty of convenience by some Exchanges between the two Crowns ; For in the Posture those Countries now lie , I do not think it possible they can be long preserved , but that either the Nobility , or the Cities would throw them into the French Hands , or the difficulty of guarding them invite the Spaniards to do it themselves . I hear nothing yet of the Baron d'Isola's arrival , and doubt whether it may not be delayed by these Frosts , which till they are old enough to bear , make all impassable between this and Antwerp . Monsieur Silvercrown , the new Swedish Commissioner , was with me lately , and seems a more understanding Man , and of more Credit with the chief Ministers at his Court , than Monsieur Appleboom . He gives me assurance of the Swedish Intentions to observe the Triple-Alliance , and hopes that if Spain can be perswaded to pay their Subsidies , though at some reasonable Terms , Sweden will be contented . He makes Difficulties upon the General Guaranty , or at least , makes it fit to be given with a Temper of all the Civility that can be to France , and precedent Endeavours of making them satisfied with it : I told him , the last would certainly be a vain Endeavour , but the first , I thought the King and States both well enough inclined to , and resolved to make the Offer equally to both Crowns . He advises us first to bring Spain to what Issue we can upon the Point of the Subsidies , and afterwards to Negotiate what we desire in Sweden by the Dutch Ambassador in that Court , ( who , he says , is very Grateful there ) and joyntly by ours , if he arrive in time , which , I suppose , is to tell us that we are not to expect Powers to be sent from Sweden hither . I know nothing more worth your Trouble at present , and therefore shall end this with the Profession of my being always , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XVII . Hague , Ianuary 25. S. N. 6● ▪ SIR , I Hope my Letter last Post to my Lord Arlington , will excuse my not having that Busie Day acknowledged the Honour of two I received from you since my last , of the 1st and 5th ; The first of them will have received its Answer by my last Dispatch upon the Marine Affair , with the Article as I have hopes to pass it here , in case it be approved in England ; The last containing only the Promise of my Instructions , and your Complements to Monsieur Van Benninghen , will need no return : For I shall acquit my self of them at his Return from Amsterdam , where , I hope , he will do us Service in our Marine Business : But I can assure by Advance , that he is much your Servant , and upon all occasions does you Justice , which is as much as you need desire , and more then falls to every Man's Share from his Friends . I mention'd in my last , to my Lord Arlington , a Writing sent hither from Sweden , to prove us and the Dutch obliged to pay their Subsidies , which is long , and digested by Civil Lawyers rather than Statesmen , or Merchants ; And therefore I trouble you not with sending a Transcript of it , but have copied out in the enclosed Paper , the Parts that I most reflected upon , not so much for their Strength of Argument , but for an Indication of the Temper with which it was written . For as to the first , I think all may be answer'd in two Words ; First , that we never promised it , and then , That we never intended it . Nor is it very fair to say , The King has so interpreted it , because he was once content to pay his Share in case of dividing the Sum , nor in the course of the Writing to make themselves pass for the only Principal that was of weight to make the Peace , for which they draw into Argument , Expressions we have used to that purpose , with intention only to oblige Spain to do them the Reason we desire . I have since discoursed this to Monsieur Silvercrown , and told him , I thought it better this Paper might not be avowed by any Authority in Sweden , while we were in hopes of obtaining their Satisfaction from Spain , and upon the pursuit of it , as we are at present ; And upon his pressing the necessity of finding some speedy way to satisfie them , for fear they should be induced to take their Measures with France : I told him I would not suspect that , knowing they were engaged in this Alliance by other Considerations than that of such Sums of Money ; That however , such Arguments might be used to Holland , but not to us ; For if by Sweden's , or Holland's fault the Business of our Triple-Alliance should break , and each Party be left to take their own Measures with France , we could very well give both of them the start of us in that Pursuit , and yet come sooner and best to the End : For we understood our selves so well as to know we were more considerable to France , either for or against them , then not only they , or Holland ▪ but then all the Nations of Christendom besides ; And if we were at any time to be bought , there would be more given for us , than for them all . He confest it , and assur'd me of all his Endeavours to temper and represent Matters so in Sweden , as to bring all to a good Issue , if Spain proves any thing reasonable : And , in pursuit of that , I assur'd him of His Majesty's utmost Endeavours , and of my having received the most pressing Commands . Well , I hope our turn will yet one Day come , of speaking as boldly in our Negotiations , as any of our Neighbour Kings ; For what has been may be again . The French give us a good Example , and will in time , I suppose , come with the Roman Ambassador to draw a Circle about the Prince they Treat with , and command an Ay , or No , before they stir out . they are great Designs to be driven on all at a time , to have a Fleet of a Hundred Men of War , with all Brass Guns , to Establish a Trade in the Indies , to value their own Manufactures by Exclusion of all others , to resume all the Domain of the Crown , to suppress utterly all those of the Religion in France , to conquer Flanders , and to be the sole and positive Arbiter of all Differences among his Neighbours . Unto the Issue of all these , must go a great deal of Time and good Fortune , and Negligence or Ill Counsels of other Princes and States . In Spain , I doubt not , they will find enough of both , but if what the Baron d'Isola promises be true , I hope not enough to hinder the Effect of our Triple-Alliance ; Though I am , I confess , better satisfied of the Parts , than the Plainness , and Sincerity of that Minister : Otherwise he makes us believe there will be Two hundred Thousand Dollars ready to advance upon the Swedish Subsidies , and gives hope of the rest at easie Terms , in case they like the Project of our Guaranty . I have nothing to encrease this Trouble , beyond the Assurances of my being always , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XVIII . Hague , Ianuary 29. S. N. 69. SIR , I Have since my last received both yours of the 8th and 12th ; The first accompanied by my Powers and Instructions , which are full , and clear to those Ends we have lately had in our Eye . I shall use them to my best Endeavours , according to His Majesty's Intentions , particularly the last Article , and see not any thing at present to make me despair of Success , in case the natural quickness of Counsels in France , and slowness in Holland , suffer what we are about , to be effected in time . The State of this Matter , according to the present Dispositions I meet with here , I have entertain'd my Lord Arlington with , more at large this Post , and so shall forbear your trouble in the Repetition . I am glad , in the mean time , to find you so positive ; That if Spain perform on their part , you shall prevail with Sweden to go as far with us as the Guaranty of the Peace at Aix , in its extent ; For of that I can yet draw no confident Hopes from the Swedish Ministers here , though they are both inclin'd to it . I was very sorry to give my Lord Arlington an Account in my last , of a new unlook'd for Stop given my former hopes of concluding suddenly the only Article which remains disputed in our Marine Propositions : Monsieur de Witt has since entertain'd me with a larger Account of the Jealousies raised upon that Matter among the Indian Directors at Amsterdam , coming likewise from Monsieur Van Benningher ; But I find nothing new in it , beyond the Suspicions they have conceived of our intending something they think not of , by desiring a General Article for prevention only of an Inconvenience , which we have not yet suffer'd , or at least before we think fit to give any one Instance of it , to instruct them only in the Nature of the Grievance we apprehend : But I shall enlarge no further upon it , since Monsieur de Witt tells me , That Monsieur Van Benninghen resolves to give you a large Account from Amsterdam of all that is suggested there upon this Subject . For the Pensioner , he seems to have no other Reflections yet upon it , then that such a Clause , if we , that is , our Merchants , have any reserved Meaning in it , should upon change of Ministers , or Conjunctures , be made the occasion of new Disputes between us , as he says Sir George Downing's Interpretation of those Words in the Treaty of 62 , Litem inceptam prosequi , or de poursuivre leur procez entamè ; Drawing that which was intended for a legal Decision before the Judges where it was begun , to a political Decision between the King's Ministers and the States , was , in short , the Ground of the last War : How truly he says this , I know not , but , I believe , he truly means to prevent all occasions of future Quarrels between us , while we are of that mind : And therefore I am still in hopes of his Endeavours to pass this Article , if that Suspition may be taken away ▪ Which , perhaps , one or two Instances either of what we have suffer'd , or what we apprehend , would do . In the mean time I cannot perswade him to what you seem to agree in declaring , That without this Point they yield us nothing in all the rest : For they think it is a very great Matter they yield in the Description of une ville bloquèe ou assiegè● , to be both by Land , as well as Sea , which cannot be done there : so that he says , we gain the Liberty of Trading with all Nations , with whom they may be at War , and lie before their Havens with their Fleets , which was a Point could never be gain'd of them in Cromwell's Time. They think likewise they yield a great deal in that of the case where one Company has contracted for the sole buying up any Commodity of any Nation : But I have no reason to think you are very well pleased with my representing their Arguments or Discourses upon this Subject , no more than they are with yours , tho' both , perhaps , be necessary ; And therefore I shall not enlarge this Trouble beyond the Assurances of my being always , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XIX . Hague , February 5. S. N. 69. SIR , ● Have since my last , the Honour of yours of the 15th past ; Whereby I find ●ou expected my next would be from Brus 〈…〉 ls , after the Receipt of my Powers and 〈…〉 structions some Days before arrived ; But 〈…〉 e great Business of our Adjustment with 〈…〉 pain , upon the Swedish Subsidies , being , as 〈…〉 e hope , come to an Issue here by full 〈…〉 owers to the Spanish Ambassador , I know 〈…〉 ot whether that Journey will hold , or 〈…〉 . Monsieur de Witt thinks it may still be 〈…〉 cessary , if it be but to give Heart to the 〈…〉 eople there who need it much , and to 〈…〉 ake some Entrances with the Constable , 〈…〉 on the best Ways and Methods of setling 〈…〉 at Countrey in a posture of not falling 〈…〉 der another Surprize from France : But I 〈…〉 all have time to consider whether that be 〈…〉 rand enough for such a Journey , when I 〈…〉 ar the States Resolutions about it ; For 〈…〉 therto it is only Monsieur de Witt 's pri 〈…〉 ate Opinion . And they not having proceeded so far as to engage any Person in it , when there was more occasion , 't is possible they may now desist from the present Thoughts of it . I can give no further Account of our Marine Treaty , expecting your Answers to their Desires of some Instances , when we either had felt , or apprehended the Grievance in that only Article which remains . I find Monsieur Van Benninghen has been very large upon that Subject in a Letter to you from Amsterdam , which Monsieur d● Witt shew'd me a Copy of , and would have had me transmitted , for fear of the Originals miscarrying : But I thought it not necessary , both in regard of the Safety of all Letters in their usual course ; and to say truth , because I found not the Arguments very weighty , and a Byass in the● towards the leaving out that whole Article , or at least confining it to particular places , of which instance should be made . Whereas Monsieur de Witt had always declar'd , That the Instances were desir'd only for Information in the nature of our Demand , and not to insert in the Article . I am apt to believe , that 't is only Jealousie on both sides , which makes this point so much insisted on by us , and so much apprehended by them , at least if we can give no particular Instances of the Grievance : For they are positive , that with the knowledge of the Directors , no such thing is practised . However some Expedient must be found out to agree it : If you ●urnish me with Instances , that will be some Assistance to me ; If you cannot do that , I was thinking whether it might not be an Expedient to add to the Article , as I transmitted it , some such Words , that this should be done in the same manner as was ●sually practised between the two Companies , before such a Year , naming two or three Years before the War , since you af 〈…〉 rm before that time no such thing was ●retended or exercised by them : But I have mentioned nothing of any such Ex●edient here ; nor shall till I have answer ●f my last , and your result upon it , after having communicated it to those who are ●ost concerned to understand it . I know not whether I thought it worth ●aking notice of , that the Admiral of Den●ark came hither some Days since , about ●●e long debated Difference between that King and these States , upon certain Sums ●f Money , and likewise about agreeing ●pon the Measures of Ships that pass the ●ound . I am always , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XX. Hague , February 12. S. N. 69. SIR , I Am to acknowledge the Honour of o 〈…〉 from you of the 26th past , approvin● the State of our Affair with Spain , whi●● you will since find is drawn to a Head ▪ And in case His Majesty approves of t 〈…〉 Form of the Guaranty , we have nothi●● left to transact in this Matter , but wit● Sweden ; Towards which my Lord C●lisle's Journey , if so sudden , as we here believe , will much contribute . I doubt Monsieur Boreel has but a col● Scent in his Pursuit of the Zealand Preten●●ons at Surinam ; But the truth is , that i●●ase the English Planters all remove together from that place , the Plantation is as good as wholly lost to the Dutch , their Numbers there being wholly inconsiderable , and their Nation not at all fit for that Business of Planting , which makes them never like to grow considerable in the West-Indies : But otherwise for the Reason of the thing , I never saw the least colour o● it on their side , nor find that Monsieur de Witt offers at maintaining it , when upon occasion , I have fallen into the Discourse of it with him . So that I should think my self happy , if I had no greater Difficulties upon my Hands here than what are likely to arise in that Affair when it comes in play : Tho' , I think , you judge very prudently , that the Time for it will be rather after we shall have come to some Issue in our Marine Treaty than at present , that so we may have but one Knot to untie at a time . How I shall succeed in the last , I am yet to learn from my farther Conferences here upon the Papers last sent me , which I have newly received , and are Translating , that I may upon occasion use them here ; I mean the Arguments as well as the Articles : That which troubles me , is to see I am of late gone back on both sides , for what Monsieur de Witt and I had agreed on , is strongly opposed by those of Amsterdam , and being at first approved in England by the East-India Company themselves , as my Lord Arlington wrote me word , they have since , as I now find , alter'd their Minds , and propose to have the Passage free under all Forts , tho seated in Countreys that are absolutely under the Dutch Occupancy and Subjection , which is a new Point , and that which I am sure in several of your Letters you have said distinctly , was never aimed at . But since this is now in my Hands , you may be assured , that it shall go as far as it is possible to pursue it by any Cares and Endeavours of mine . I am sorry I am not made acquainted with the Particulars of the Case at Iuccatra , which , it seems , is alledged as the only occasion of this Apprehension and Proposal from our Merchants ; For as to that of the Fort upon the River of Iambre , Monsieur de Witt , I remember , alleadg'd that as an unreasonable thing , if they should pretend it , where the River was so broad , that the Ships were not under the certain unavoidable danger of their Canon , which he would have had the measure of the free Passage : But of these Proceedings you will be troubled hereafter with farther Accounts from , SIR , Your most Obedient Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXI . Hague , February 26. S. N. 69. SIR , I Am to acknowledge two I have received from you since my last of the 5th and 9th current , which came together to my Hands , with one for Monsieur Van Benninghen , which I this Day delivered , and fell into the longest Debate that I have ever had with him upon the Subject of it , but with so little success , that I shall have no Pleasure in repeating it ; And yet I verily believe we do not disagree in our Meaning , tho' we cannot come to agree in ways of expressing it . They insist still upon some Instance of what we complain of , and are the less satisfied at every new pursuit I make , without producing what they have from the first demanded : They protest their East-India Company knows not what ours means by saying they might Instance in Iacatra , and think I do not deal sincerely with them , in suppressing the Particulars of the Fact as it past there , which is the only place we have mention'd , as giving occasion for this Apprehension of ours , and Demand upon it . Mons. Van Benninghen swears to me in the solemnest manner that can be , and which is not usual with him , that his Heart is more bent upon finding out a way to satisfie us in this point , than to satisfie either the Estates , or East-India Company here , and that upon any occasion we shall produce of Complaint , both he , and all the rest of the States , know they ought to give us all Satisfaction that Reason shall require , and even beyond reason in things that are not of the last importance to them ; As he says , they have shewed in agreeing to that Article about defining a Town bloque ou investie , which has raised such a Clamour among those of the East-India Company here , against the Commissioners who treated it with me , That they know no way of satisfying them , but by the absolute Will of the States-General , and representing to them how much they ought to give towards our Satisfaction in this Conjuncture . He says , that all Sir George Downing could find to complain of in the Indies , was the stopping of our Ships by their Fleets that lay before Cochin and Cananor , which is provided against in that aforesaid Article : And if there had been any Innovation in Matter of Passage by one anothers Territories , as we intimate there began to be , on their side about two Year before the War , 't is impossible but they must have heard of it at a time when all things were ript up . That if we can mention any such Innovation differing from what has been the antient , constant , and general Practice , in both India , and Africa , by our Nation as well as all other Europaean Nations that have had any thing to do there , they will be the readiest in the World to redress it : But at the same time he professes to think it absolutely impossible to make any Draught of an Article concerning passing of Forts , which may not be made use of Pour bouleverser toutes les Affairs des Indes ; And that as much as he can see into it , may not be of the same consequence as if we should demand of them absolutely to break their East-India Company . The many large and various Instances he used to prove this you will better have from his Hand than mine , and therefore I shall omit the rest of his Discourses , which ended in bewailing our falling so earnestly upon such a Point as this , in which it was so impossible for them to agree with us , and not at the same time to lay the Foundation of a certain Breach hereafter , by the Disputes which must arise upon it . That the ill Effect upon which he made his chiefest Reflections , was the Interpretation I told them was made of it in England , to the Disadvantage of their Intentions and Dispositions of living well with us in point of Commerce ; That on the other side very many here interpreted this Demand as a Mark of our Resolutions not live well long with them , in point of our Alliances , and so made them think of ballancing still between us and France , till they could find with whom they were like to meet with the most present Safety , and leave future Times to future Councils ▪ That for his part , and all the most foreseeing Heads among them , they were of another mind , and thought the only bottom they had left was upon our Friendship . But on both sides , the continuance of such Jealousies as were apt to arise from our Disputes upon this Point , could not be without ill Effect . And upon all this I concluded it would be necessary for him to make a step over into England , and try whether the King's Ministers there , and he could understand one another better than we had done here , which he seemed to think not unnecessary ; And for my part , I think it the only thing left to be done in this Matter . Since my last , some Commissioners have been with me from the States , to acquaint me with the Letter which goes this Night to His Majesty from them , upon the Business of Surinam , wherein you will find they are come off from the Disputes they formerly engaged in , of the English Planters there having forfeited the Right to the first Articles of Surrender , by which they had liberty to remove , and that the Matter lies now in this compass here , that such of the English there as either have now , or shall have hereafter a desire to leave that Plantation , shall not only have Leave , but Assistance from the Dutch Governour , towards their Removal , but that on the other side His Majesty shall not send any Commands to them to remove , nor Threats in case of their Stay there ; as they say has been practised by my Lord Willoughby : So that all which will be left , if this be agreed to , will be only to find out a way of knowing what Inhabitants , at their own Motion , have a desire to Stay , and what to Remove . I told them I could not say any thing of the King's Resolution therein , but should signifie what I understood of their Meaning to His Ministers by this Post , which carries their Letter to His Majesty . Major Scott , who came lately from England , and is seeking Imployment here , tol● me , some of them were considering whether they might not deal with the Dutch in the New Netherlands , as we do with the English at Surinam ; But that , I suppose , depends upon the Articles of each Places Surrender . Now I Name Major Scott , tho a Man wholly unknown to me , I cannot but confess , that having since his coming hither , talk'd a great deal with him , seen his Maps , and a long Preface to the Book of them he intended to set out , I cannot but be sorry , he should have met so much Discouragement in England , as to seek Service in other Nations : For , I cannot think but the Man must of necessity signifie a good deal of good or ill to us in those Ports as he is made use of by us , or other People . If His Majesty have the same Thoughts , and that He is worth the retrieving , I should be glad to know it , and shall in the mean time have some Eye upon his Progress here . The Necessity of these Troubles , will , I hope , excuse the length of them from , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXII : Hague , March 1. S. N. 69. SIR , I Was very sorry to find by yours of the 12th past , any News of your Indisposition , and will hope by the next to meet with that of your Recovery , and in the mean time give you as little Trouble as I can , and no more upon the Marine Article , than to acknowledge the Receipt of the last East-India Companies Paper enclosed in yours , which I have already communicated here , and shall pursue at a Conference to Morrow . The States of Holland , at their last breaking up , past a Resolution for taking away the Exemptions of the English Company at Dort , from the usual Customs , which are one Florin upon a Piece ( or thirty six Yards ) of English Cloth ; Which as soon as I heard of , I put in a Memorial to the States-General , to desire they would not proceed upon that Business , without entring into Conference with me upon it , which they have resolved , and the Particulars among them would perswade me , that it is a Matter so far from prejudicing , that it will rather encrease the Export of our Manufactures , and which they have proceeded upon only for the Peace of their Towns , all the rest of Holland mutinying against Dort in this Matter . And to say the Truth , I think this has been now wholly renewed by that Resolution , which I never understood , of His Majesty's removing the Scotch Company from Zealand to Dort , at Sir William Davison's sole pursuit , for ought I hear : For thereby the Prince of Orange has been very much injur'd , as he says , to the value of 1●00l . Sterling a Year ; And which perhaps he lays more to Heart , the Province of Zealand , which is his chief Friend and Dependant here , has been apt to interpret it a mark of His Majesty's having no consideration for the Prince : Several Scotch Merchants here seem'd unsatisfied with it , and others divided in the Point ; and Sir William Davison upon his removal from Amsterdam to Dort , when the Company removed from Zealand , sent Letters to the Scotch Inhabitants at Roterdam ( as the Deputies of Roterdam alledge ) charging them to remove from that Town to Dort , and threatning them in case of their Non-complyance . Upon this the Town of Roterdam , who had some Years past lost the English Company , being new netled , set this Matter on foot , and all the other Towns of Holland , seeing Dort possessed of two Companies , fell in warmly upon the Scent , and Zealand sensible of what they have lost , is of the same Mind ; And Monsieur de Witt , though he has upon his Countrymen's Instances ( I mean those of Dort ) delayed it for one Assembly of the States of Holland , yet he could put it off no longer , and durst not openly appear , where the Interest of his Town seem'd cross to that of all the rest of his Province : So that what will be the Issue of it , I know not , till we fall into Conference about it . Sir Peter Wych past this way on Wednesday , and went after one Nights stay in pursuit of my Lord Carlisle , who parted from Amsterdam for Swoll , on Munday last . I am always , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXIII . Hague , Ianuary 29. S. N. 69. SIR , I Am to ask your pardon for not acknowledging one from you of the 19th past , by the last Ordinary , and I this day find my Debt encreased by the Honour of one of the 23d , by which I am glad to hope there will be some facility given on their side , as well as it is pursued here by all my Endeavours , towards the Composure of the Points we differ in upon the Article of the Marine Treaty that has broken our Heads so much and so long . The Deputies , design'd to be sent hither from the East-India Company , instructed in that Business , are expected here this Week , and till we see the Overtures that will be made , or Arguments that will be used by them , I must suspend my Judgment of what the Issue will be ; God send me out of this Bryar , and I never hope to fall into such another . Monsieur de Witt , and the rest here , will be very well pleased , if the King think sit to let Monsieur Sylvius pass by Lunenburgh ; and I shall make them sensible , that if it be so resolved , it is wholly in complyance with them . They would have been glad likewise if my Lord Carlisle had had leave to call at Denmark , though upon a private Visit , in confidence that would have drawn on a Dispatch from that Court to England , and consequently a Composure of those Unkindnesses , which France makes use of to the engaging that Crown more intirely to themselves : But these People though perhaps the best Judges of Interest , are the worst of Honour and of all the Punctillio's that depend upon it . I hear nothing of my Lord Carlisle , since he parted from Amsterdam ▪ but expect Mr. Thynn here every Day , who , I hear , intended to meet him at Hamburgh , and then come straight hither . I will not trouble you with the Repetition of any thing I have written in other Letters this Post , which I kn●w you will have your share of , nor with enlarging upon the Professions of my being , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXIV . Hague , March 22. S. N. 69. SIR , SInce my last I have received yours of the 5th current , with the enclosed Pacquet for Sir Gabriel Sylvius , which he is possest of ; And in order to his Journey towards Lunenburgh , has begun to take his leave , where it was due here . I have put the Compliment of these Dispatches from His Majesty , wholly upon Monsieur de Witt , who seems to take it , as he ought to do , and to be satisfied with all he hears of the course of His Majesty's present Counsels , both from Monsieur Boreel , and all other Hands . He tells me his Letters from their Ambassador in Sweden , give him a very good Account of the Dispositions of that Court , which agreeing with what I hear both from Monsieur Appleboom , and Sylvercrown here , makes me hope all we wish in their Resolution upon the Projects of the Guaranty and Subsidies lately sent them over . The Duke of Lunemgburgh's Minister here is of Opinion Sir Gabriel Sylvius will find those Princes likewise in the same Dispositions , and obliged by this Compliment from His Majesty : I doubt of two Difficulties in the engaging them : First , that they will expect to be admitted as Principals in our Alliance ; And then that they will insist upon some Money by Sweden's Example The enclosed I have newly received from the Baron Bonstetten , by which you will find the Negotiations in Switzerland towards the common Alliance , proceed but slowly ; That which they would perswade this State , is to allure them by setling constant Pension upon the small Catholick Cantons , where they perswade him about fifty Thousand Franc's a Year , would do the Buness ▪ And among the Protestant Cantons , there is nothing of that kind admitted ( as they say ) and so nothing needed , but Monsieur de Witt is averse from this Counsel , arguing , that where things are wholly Venial , and at so small Rates , there can be no certainty ; and that 50 from hence may serve turn , only till 60 be offer'd from some other Hand . He is in the mean time extreamly glad to hear we are like to fall into a good Correspondence with Denmark , and hopes the Hold of France will wear off in that Court , as ours grows on . Considering how weary you must needs be of so much as has been written of late upon the Subject of passing those enchanted Forts , I suppose you will be content I trouble you with nothing in that Matter by this Ordinary , the States having not yet signified any thing to me of what has been , or is ready to be represented to them by the Deputies of the East-India Company , who have been three Days in Town , and I hear were prepar'd to entertain them with long Reasonings upon it . I am of Opinion , that without producing Instances of what gave us the Apprehension at least , if not the Danger of new Practises , which we desire to prevent , or without shewing that the mention of Porcat and Iacatra , ( which is all has yet been spoken of ) is to the purpose of this Complaint ; It will be hopeless to do any thing in this Matter , the Jealousies of our reach in it are grown so great , and now they have started a new one , which is , That this Proposition , ( nor any thing towards it ) was never made by us in any time of our hardest Demands ( even by Cromwell's ) but only in the last Paper of Sir George Downing , so as they will have it , that he has cast it in , as une pie●●e d'achopement entre les d●ux Nations , knowing by his Transactions , and the Constitutions here , it was a thing could never be yielded : But I must expect the next Conference , to be able to give a further Judgment upon the whole success . I cannot end this without acknowledging very sensibly the obliging Expressions at the end of your last , concerning your favour to me in my Wife 's present Solicitations of the Performance in what His Majesty was pleased to promise me at my coming away , as to equality with his other Ministers . Monsieur de Witt had heard the King had granted it , and came to make me a Complement Yesterday upon it , assuring me he had several times spoken of it among his Friends here with Trouble ; That he knew in the Train I lived , 't was impossible to hold out upon what I had before from the King , which from so frugal a Man , is perhaps as good a Testimony , as what I hear some Persons , who have no more to do in it than he , take great pains in representing to the contrary . I am ever with very much Reason and Truth , SIR , Your most Faithful humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXV . Hague ; March 26. S. N. 69. SIR , I Have received yours of the 9th , with the enclosed Answer to the Dutch Ambassador's Memorial upon the Affair of Surinam , upon which I cannot mark any seeming difference in the Pretensions of His Majesty and these States , concerning the execution of those Articles of Surrender , unless there should arise a Difficulty upon the ways of Transporting such of our Planters , as have a desire to remove : For the Dutch , according to the Article , pretend their Governour is alone to have that Charge and Care , but they fear His Majesty will think of sending Ships of his own to that purpose , which they think would have an Influence upon the Dispositions of the English Planters there , and upon the Peace of the Colony . When Monsieur Boreel arrives , I may , perhaps , have occasion to enter farther into this Matter , and am glad to be so well informed . Sir Gabriel Sylvius began his Journey last Night towards Lunemburgh ; and I hear there are Letters this Morning arrived here from Lubec , which left my Lord Carlisle upon the Point of Embarking there directly for Stockholm the same Day the Post parted , so that I doubt neither of the Pacquets dispatch'd after His Lordship , had reached him time enough to turn his Journey through Denmark but some other Hand will , I hope , be found in those parts to supply that turn before it cools . I have heard nothing from the States upon our Marine Article , since the Arrival of the Deputies from Amsterdam , which made me resolve to put in this enclosed Memorial Yesterday , to press them to a short Conclusion ; Wherein , as in all our Conferences , I endeavour'd to make the firmness of our Alliance depend much upon our Satisfaction in this Point , being an Argument will always hold good , how much soever the others may be disputed . I cannot guess more by much Discourse I have lately had with Monsieur Van Benninghen , than that if we are content with the Ancient Practice for the time preceding 62 , or 63 , in which Years we say our Complaints , or Apprehensions began , we may be assured of it , but I shall never talk three Words upon this Matter with any of them , without being prest upon giving Instances . I hope you and Monsieur Van Benninghen , will have the Honour of ending this Affair , which I should have been very glad of , but doubt it will be denied me . However , so it be done to our Satisfaction , I shall not repine . I am of Opinion , at last the States will send him over , and considering your Acquaintance so well contracted already , his Dispositions so warm in all Points tending to the good of our Alliance , and the great Influence he has upon the Town of Amsterdam , and , indeed , through the whole Province , I am confident 't will be of good Effect , and much Use may be made of it to the Advantage of our Concerns here . The Deputies of the States of Zealand , have this Day made their Harangue to the States of Holland , representing the occasion of their coming , to be for settling such a● Union between the two Provinces , as they may henceforth appear but one in all that regards them ; But they descended to no Particulars , only desiring Commissioners . The Point they will begin with , is tha 〈…〉 of the Judicature , and setling it ●o be o●● and the same for both the Provinces ; 〈…〉 they agree in that , I believe this Meeting will not pass without some Proposition● concerning the Prince : The present Dispositions on both sides , seem to be no● very distant . Zealand , perhaps , with the Prince's Contentment , will consent to the Abolishment of the charge of Stadtholder provided the Prince may be at the sam 〈…〉 time admitted to the Charge of Captai 〈…〉 General , with Session in the Council o 〈…〉 State , and a considerable Pension : Holland would fain have their consent to the first , upon a Decree of those Conditions to the Prince , at the one or two and twentieth Year of his Age : What the Issue will be I know not , but find many of the Province of Holland , in the mind , that some end must be found in this Affair of the Prince , for the general Quiet of the Provinces . Discourses have of late been set on Foot about his Highnesses Marriage , and some German Princesses named , but this Talk is yet in the Air. I am ever , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXVI : Hague , March 29. S. N. 69. SIR , I Have received yours of the 12th , with the inclosed Article both in French and English , and a Paper from the East-India Company , with Reflections upon the Arguments used here against our long pursuit of that Article , but they being newly come to my Hand , I cannot answer for the Effect they will produce : I think I may for Monsieur d● Witt 's inclination towards it , not discerning much in it different from the Concept which he proposed to Monsieur Van Benninghen . But as he ever gave me that Proposition , or intended I should send it into England , and three Days after he had communicated it to me , let me know that the Directors of the East-India Company , and Monsieur Van Benninghen had sent to desire him not to proceed in that Matter , till the Arrival of the Deputies here , so I have no hold upon him for the States agrecing to it , besides the old Arguments joyned with these new ones , I have received to induce them ; of all which I shall make the best use that I can possibly towards obtaining our Ends , and am pretty confident , if I had brought over such an Article as this with me , and proposed it before so much Dust had been raised about this Matter , I had passed it among the rest ; But the East-India Company here are now grown so Jealous , that there is no dealing with them in this Point . I have had long Discourses since my last , with Monsieur Valkeneer , the chief of the Directors , and who has the greatest Influence upon the Town of Amsterdam ; And he says , That since we can complain of nothing past in reference to passing of Forts , he wonders that of all other Times , we should choose this to apprehend new Injuries , when we know as well as they , that how strong soever they may be in the Indies , the Consideration in which we are to them here , will of it self prevent any such , and remedy and punish them where we can prove they have been committed . He says , he is confident they mean all that our Ministers desire , and would be ready to do it in any Particulars we should instance ▪ but the variety of Forts , Possessions , Occupations , Subjections , Passes , and manner of Trassick , is so Infinite in those parts , that none can know what they do in passing a general Article of this Nature . And this was the Sum of his Reasoning , besides all those Arguments you have so often had already from the other Ministers here . So soon as the East-India Paper is Translated into French , I shall enter once more upon it with Monsieur de Witt , and by him shall be able to guess what we may hope for in Issue of all this Debate . The Fears given here by the King of Spain's late Illness , and the Disorders arrived since in Spain , upon Don Iohn's occasion , give very much matter of Discourse here , and Visions of ill Accidents , for which they see no remedy . They apprehend twenty things without other reason than their own Fears , and , I hope , one among the rest is , That the Spaniards grow difficult upon the Point of paying the Subsidies ; That they are Treating with France , and will at length Sacrifice Flanders for the safety of the rest . I hear this only from the common Noise as yet , which , perhaps , proceeds from their Unquietness here , whenever they think of the Accession of Flanders to France , but I wish it proves always a needless fear ; For so busie as they are in France , and so idle as they are Flanders , must , I doubt , come to ill in time . The French Ambassador is much scandaliz'd at the liberty of Talk used by every one here upon this occasion : He tells me , for ought he sees , all his Business here will be to take the Air , and that all the Interests and Supports that this Country had so long with France , are now plainly turn'd to us ; and that he knows they are endeavouring to find Measures with us and Sweden , against his Master , in case of the Spanish King's Death , which , I find , is the thing he lays most to Heart : But I assure him , the King has no such early Thoughts ; And what he will have when such a case arrives , I am very little able to tell , so far am I from being instructed in them . The Portugal Ambassador made his Entry Yesterday , but finds some new Difficulties in his Business here . Your Commands about the last enclosed to Mr. Thynn , shall be punctually obeyed , as all others you please to lay upon , SIR , Your most Obedient , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXVII . Hague , April 2. S. N. 69. SIR , SInce my last I have had a Conference with Monsieur de Witt , upon the Subject of the last Papers transmitted to me from the East-India Company , the new Project of the Proposition for passing the Forts , and your Letter which came with them , and serv'd much to clear our meaning in both the former . As to the first , Monsieur de Witt said , he could not judge of the greatest part of those Instances , by being a Stranger to most of the Names , as well as Transactions in those parts ; That of about five or six of them which he had been acquainted with , there was not one which touch'd in any manner this Point of passing the Forts : That for the others he would endeavour to inform himself , being desirous of nothing so much as to know one Instance of a Fort , by which we thought we had right to pass , and had been hinder'd , and desir'd now to have that Right preserved to us by this proposed Article . For all the other Instances whereby we averr'd the Wrongs which had been done us in that Trade , he said , it was the same thing as to rip up the occasions of the late War , wherein each Party still maintain'd they had wrong done them by the other ; And so in those Instances which he was acquainted with of these mention'd in the last Paper , they could not yield we had those Wrongs done us which we pretended . As to the Isle of Ceylon , he said , he knew not the State of it , but if it were as we related it , they should be very unreasonable to exclude us from the Trade of those parts of it where they had no Forts , nor Dominion , and he should be the first to condemn them ; And he thought the same of the other case whenever it should happen of their building any Fort to hinder our Passage to any place where we had our Traffick already establish'd . For the Proposition , he presently observed it was drawn upon that which he had sent in his Letter to Monsieur Van Benninghen , and said , He doubted I had sent that into England , which he had only communicated to me before he dispatch'd it to Amsterdam . I confest it , and that in the time his Secretary had left it with me to peruse , I had taken a Copy of it , and sent it over to the end our Ministers might see his Thoughts upon it , and at least be satisfied of his good Intentions . He said it was a thing that he could not own further than having sent it to Monsieur Van Benninghen , that since he and the Directors had returned him their Opinion , that it was impracticable to digest any general Article in this Point , he could not press on any such Proposition , how agreeable soever to his own Thoughts . But for the Draught it self , he observed several material Differences from what he had sent to Amsterdam ; As first , that those words relating to the ancient constant Practise de longues annees , ( which were put in on purpose to salve the Jealousie of the East-India Company here , that we aimed at nothing new , but what had always been used between us till about the Years 62 , or 63 ) were in this Paper wholly left out . That the Words , à cet ●ffet , speaking of Houses , or Forts , to be built for hindring our Passage to Places where our Traffick was already establish'd , were likewise left out ; So as whatever Wrongs they should suffer from any Nation , they should be hindred from subduing them , and subjecting them by Forts , according to their Custom in those Parts . And Lastly , That to the Words of Forts that should be hereafter Erected , we had added , or already Built , without yet instancing particularly in any such Fort as was already built , to hinder our Passage , and where we desired redress ; So that if what we desire be as we seem to mean , only for prevention , we need not add , Already Built ; If there be any such , we could not do fairer than to name them . Upon the whole , he advised I would not communicate this Proposition to the Commissioners : First , Because they would see by it , that his Proposition to Monsieur Van Benninghen had been sent into England , which they might believe was with his consent , and think he did not deal fairly to do that without their Communication . And Secondly , Because it would encrease very much the Jealousie of those concerned in the East-India Company , to see that those Word ▪ were left out which confin'd the manner of passing Forts to the ancient and constant practise between ▪ the Nations , by which they would conclude , our aim was at some Innovations , and where that might end as to Pretences and Disputes , none could tell . I gave him Thanks for his Advice , but desired to be excused , for since the Proposition was sent me over to be communicated here , I could not suppress it , but must propose it to the Commissioners at our next Conference , and know their Sense and Resolution upon it , since this , I supposed , was the last they were like to receive from us . He then desired that I would at the time of proposing it , let the Commissioners know how his came to be sent over into England , and that I would give him a Copy of those parts of your Letter , which seemed to clear our meaning in this Matter , the Expressions seeming to him very clear and fair ; And he assured me he would make good use of them : To both these I consented , and so upon it we are to have a Conference , I suppose , within very few Days , at least as soon as the present Business in the States of Holland will give their Deputies leisure , which , I doubt not , will be some time this Week . They have yet given me no account of the Deputies of the East-India Company , arrived last Week from Amsterdam , and I am not forward in calling for it , hearing they have put in a very long Paper to prove the impossibility of framing any general Article upon this Matter : Besides , I believe the Intention goes on of dispatching Monsieur Van Benninghen suddenly into England , upon this Point and some others of more general consequence ; And that he went last Friday to Amsterdam with Monsieur Valkeneer , to try whether that Town would give him leave to make this Journey . Monsieur Boreel is here arrived , and gave the States an Account Yesterday of his Ambassage , to their Satisfaction . He is the most pleased that can be with His Majesty's , and His Ministers Carriage towards him , and their Dispositions towards these States , only I find the Italian Abbot , lately come out of France , will not , out of his little Head , and the Circumstances that cause his Jealousie , are as pleasant as those of Lovers . The Matter of Judicature which lies between Holland and Zealand , is like to draw out in length ▪ and will end , I doubt , rather in the Separation , than Re-union of the Provinces upon it . Nothing is yet mention'd between them concerning the Prince of Orange . They continue much in pain about the King of Spain's Health , and the Disorders of Madrid ; Nor does the French Ambassador satisfie them , in saying , they need not trouble themselves about the Accession of Spain to France ; For if the King of Spain should Die too Morrow , 't is out of all question Don John would be Crowned the Day after . I hear nothing further as yet from the Swedish Ministers , nor any thing worth the encrease of your present Trouble from , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXVIII . Hague , April 5. S. N. 69. SIR , I Am to acknowledge yours of the 19th past , which furnished me with Reflections of very great moment towards prevailing with the Dutch for our Satisfaction in the Point so much contested between us ; And whenever I receive Commands to use them in the Conferences I have with the Commissioners , to the end they may be reported to the States , as grounded upon my Instructions , I shall do it to the full : Whereas I have hitherto contented my self upon all those Occasions , to go no further , than to tell them with much Constancy and Plainness , That they cannot reckon upon the firmness and continuance of our Alliance , but by doing us right in the point of Commerce , and reducing it to equality , and particularly in this Article , without which our Merchants will not be perswaded they can be secure in their Indian Trade , but shall , in a little time , be wholly beaten out of it , which the Nation will never endure ; And that to make an Alliance perpetual , it must be grounded in the Genius of the People , as well as in the King 's Personal Dispositions , who would always be so wise as to comply in a great measure with what the People thought their Interest . Thus far I have gone with the Commissioners upon several Conferences , and still left them with Protestations , as being as sensible of all I said , as I could wish them ; And that there is nothing we could demand without ruine to their Establishments , or without giving greater occasions for future Disputes and Quarrels , which they would not readily consent to ; discoursing upon their Interest to preserve our Alliance as far as I can do my self , and the most serious among them ever put most weight upon the last Consideration , of leaving a Door open for perpetual Disputes by a general Article , which mentions all Forts that are or shall be erected , and all Nations not in the Occupancy and Subjection of either Company : Whereas the Nature of Forts , and Subjections , they say , are so various in those parts , that room will be left for our Merchants to quarrel every Day , upon pretensions to be grounded on such an Article . I have since your last , in my private Visits to some of them hinted the ill Consequences you there mention , and how France that grasps at all , and has a mind to grow in the Indies as well as here , will not fail , in such a conjuncture of offering us all the Advantages we can ask upon a Conjunction with us for beating the Dutch out of the Indies , as we and they together did formerly the Portuguese : But this they will not believe we can hear of , while they offer us to redress any Complaints we can make against their present Practises there . But however , all Considerations together , have made them already fall upon the Proposition in the States of Holland , of sending some able Minister over into England , till an Ambassador in Ordinary be sent to reside there . In the mean time I am to have a Conference with the Commissioners to Morrow upon your last Proposition , which I tell them , is the last they are like to receive ; By the next you will have the Issue of it . Monsieur Groote , that is now in Sweden , is at length resolved upon to be sent Ambassador into France . Though the States have been something perplext with the Relations of their Ambassador at Madrid , concerning some Discourses made him by Count Pignoranda upon the Unreasonableness of their paying the Swedish Subsidies in the time of a full Peace , instead of reserving them to engage that Crown when a War begins ; Yet the Spanish Ambassador will not own any Difficulty likely to be made on their part in that matter , provided Sweden consent to what has been proposed , of which we yet hear no further Account . I am always with much Passion and Truth , SIR , Your most Faithful Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXIX . Hague , April 12. S. N. 69. SIR , I gave you no trouble by last Post having nothing to bear me out , besides a short account of my last Conference with the Commissioners , which I sent in one to My Lord Arlington . I have since seen Mounsieur de Witt and others of the chief Persons here , and once more talked all the matter of that Article to the Grave , I fear ; for though they will not come to any positive denial , yet by several Circumstances , and the Manner and Style of their Discourses , I am of Opinion it will prove a desperate pursuit . For they now say , it is a matter that cannot be argued fairly with the Kings Ministers in England , by my Representations from hence of what they say , but must be opened and cleared , viva voce , by some Ministers of theirs in England ; but at the same time they say , 't is a hard thing to press a State to any Contract , which they think will be ruinous to them , that the performance of all Contracts which are enter'd into , may be prest reasonably , whatever they import , but in making new ones , each party uses to find their Account . That the danger of Interpretations to be rais'd upon any Articles , how clearly soever penned , they have sufficiently felt , by Sir George Downing's sense given upon the words , Litem inceptam prosequi , which was the occasion of the War ; and now by our interpreting the Articles of Surrendring Surinam to import a liberty for the King to send and command all the English there to remove , with threats of Loss and Ignominy , in case of their remaining there , which was ( as they say ) by the Articles left to their own choice . And this , Mounsieur Boreel tells them , is maintained in England , tho' it be not directly exprest in the Kings last Answer . But this of passing Forts and Lands not in Occupation of either Company , is , they say , a thing so little understood at these distances , that they conclude it impossible to frame any Article upon it , which will not in a Years time engage them in quarrels with us , or in the ruine of their present Establishments in the Indies . At the same time they press me very much to conclude the rest of the Articles , while the States seem disposed to pass them , though some of them , as they pretend , are of very hard Digestion , and would leave this of the Forts to further light and satisfaction , but with assurance of Redressing any Complaints we can exhibit of particular Grievances , contrary to the ancient and constant practices , and writing severe Letters to all the Officers of the East-India Company in those parts , to be sure to give us no such occasion , and to desist immediately , if any such has happened . By all these Discourses , and the whole course of this matter from the first , I cannot but judge it will prove a business out of my reach here , and that we may take our Measures upon that conclusion , how tender soever they are of letting it come to a direct Refusal . And as I gave my Lord Keeper such a hint near two Months since , so now seeing the several offers which have been since made at new Expedients , takes no effect , I cannot but again repeat it , that we may not be deceived in what Reckonings we make upon this matter . And yet 't is possible than if Monsieur Van Beninghen goes over , he and our Merchants may come to understand one another better , then they have done at this distance . The States have yet taken no Resolution in that point , by reason of his being so deep ingaged in pursuing a proposition , upon which the Town of Amsterdam is very warm ; which is , for taking away a considerable part of the Customs upon the Entry of the Ships , which they think of very great Importance , to the conserving and encreasing the Trade of these Countries : But the Admiralties maintain the necessity of keeping up the Tax to find Money for Convoy's , and the safety of their Ships abroad . I do not hear either this matter , or those between Holland and Zealand , are like to be decided this Session of the States of Holland , which will end the beginning of next week . Monsieur de Witt tells me , that by their President 's Letters from Copenhagen , they find my Lord Carlisle's passage that way and Complement , has been so well taken , that the King of Denmark will make no difficulty of sending an Ambassage into England ; and further , that there is an entire disposition in that Court , to grant us equal priviledges with any of his Nation in our Commerce there , which Monsieur de Witt professes to be very glad of . He tells me , the French Ambassador is very earnest with him , to make his Demands apart from us and Sweden , of what they desire from his Master , to quit their Jealousies and Apprehensions upon the business of Flanders , and to restore the confidence betwixt them . That his Master is resolved to satisfie them , if they will make their Demands apart , but that the manner of doing it by an Alliance of several States , is too Choquant , Et contre ● honneur de Son Maistre , & ce qu' un Roy jeune & brave & puissant ne peut pas trouver bonne . He tells me that he answered him positively , that this State would absolutely proceed in conjunction with us and Sweden , in what ever should be transacted upon this Subject , and no otherwise ; and that since the same thing would satisfie us all , it would be much better for France at the same time , to satisfie three then one . Monsier Appleboom sent me word this day , that Monsieur Mareshal is Arrived here , being joyn'd in Commission with him , for Transacting the matters of the Guarantee , Subsidies , and what else concerns the joynt Alliance , and that they expect ▪ every day , that Secretary which was with the Count Dhona in England , to Arrive here with full Instructions upon the whole business . I received a Letter from you lately by the Kings Command , in favour of Captain Hooper . His pretensions I find are of a different Nature , one for Arms he bought , and the other to be restor'd to the pension he enjoy'd before the Wars . I have spoken again to Monsieur de Witt , and Meerman about him , which I had done several times at the Captains being here ; they say the first is reasonable , and will be satisfied , but that the other cannot be done , because it draws in consequence the pretensions of all other English Officers , who lost their Pensions upon the same occasion , of which they name several that the States would be very willing to oblige out of particular Esteem , were it not for the general consequence of it . I kiss your Hands , and am ever , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXX . Hague , April 16. S. N. 69. SIR , I did not intend any thing I had written , should give you the trouble of so much Reflexion , as you are pleas'd to make in yours of the 30th past , upon the passage of your former Letter , which carryed so much Truth , and so much Prudence in the Considerations you had furnished me , that I had often made use of them in all private Discourses with the chief Persons here , as those which were likely to have the greatest effect . But as yet nothing has past farther in that matter ; the Commissioners having not renewed our Conference , nor given me any account of the States Resolution upon our last , in that endless Affair of the Marine Article : Though they will by no means agree with me so much as in that Appellation , but say they have consented to all his Majesties desires , in what can be said to touch a Marine Treaty ; but in this , make only a difficulty in what concerns the Trade with Nations at Land , as well as the passage of Forts upon Rivers . In short , nothing hits in this matter , though Monsieur Meerman assures me , both he and Monsieur de Witt are of Opinion , that it draws not to so great consequence as those of the East-India Company are possest , who think their Company were absolutely broken , if any such Article were framed , or else that we should fall into a War upon it . And he says Monsieur de Witt told him plainly , he durst not proceed further in it , for fear of drawing so great an envy and clamour upon him , as that of a Company which is spread so far and so deep through the whole State. And yet the Company themselves would fain perswade me as well as the States , that for Redress of any particular injuries or hardships that we can complain to have suffered already , or shall at any time hereafter , contrary to the ancient and constant practice of all Nations in those parts ; they will be ready at all times to give the serverest Orders we can desire to those in the Indies , and be as severe in seeing them executed : And this is the Sum of the Discourses I have had upon this Subject , since my last , with Addition , that they must commit it to a Minister of theirs in England , pour tascher de venir aux plus grand Esclaircissement , upon which I suppose , some Resolution may possibly be taken in the States of Holland before they part , which will be to morrow or next day . For the business of Surinam in which I received your Commands , I have thereupon Discoursed with Monsieur Boreel , and the Pensionary of Zealand , who assures me , that the States there will be content , Orders should be sent for intire Liberty to be given to all our English Planters , who have a mind to remove from that Colony , to do it with their Families , and to sell their Estates ; according as he says is agreed by the Article to that purpose , in which they comprehend their Slaves . I suppose the words of the Original Articles must decide that point , which they have promised to send me , having never yet been Transmitted to me from England . He says farther , that if I will signifie the Names of any particular Families that have testified their desire to Remove , the Orders shall go not only for Liberty , but Assistance in the Transportation at the usual Rates , according to the Article , at least he declares this as his Opinion , and what he shall endeavour to perswade the States to : For I have sufficiently beat them out of all Cavil , upon the Validity or Performance of the Articles . But they seem much unsatisfied with all the first part of the Kings last Answer , which justifies all my Lord Willou●●by's proceedings , and seems to revoke all Orders formerly given for Reparations in that point . So that they say , it will come in among the other Expences , which his Lordship has forced them to ; that their Ships will have gone to the Barbados with the Kings Orders , for sending back the 200 Slaves , and will be forced to return without effect . They seem to wonder likewise , that his Majesty has not thought fit to take any notice of the Letter sent by the States-General upon this matter . I shall expect the Letter of His Majesties , you promise me , concerning the Merchant Adventurers , though if His Majesty gives me leave , I shall make use of it or not as I see occasion ; and as those of the English Company of Dort think will be most for the benefit of their Affair , which yet sleeps , and while it does so , they are well , and I suppose it will not be our part to wake it . Monsieur Mareschall who is joyn'd in the powers Sent to Monsieur Appleboom from Sweden , upon the Affairs of the Tripple Alliance , has been with me , and though the Secretary they expect with the last Orders , be not yet arrived , they are ready , they say , however to begin a Conference , which may possibly be on Thursday . The chief of his Discourse with me was in General , upon that Crowns esteem of His Majesties Alliance , and Disposition to comply with his Counsels and Resolutions in this Affair , which was the occasion of his Orders to see me first upon his Arrival . That which I could gather out of the rest , was that they would be willing to proceed as tenderly as they could towards France , in either offering the Guaranty at the same time to both , or rather giving it particularly to neither , but only in general against him that shall break the Peace . Next , that they would have nothing to do with Spain , but only with us in the whole Affair of Subsidies , and leave us to order all that concerns us with Spain ; And Lastly , that they would have the last Term of eight Months for the last portion either taken away wholly , or else shortned . But I suppose I shall know more plainly what they will be at , upon our next meeting ; for this Morning they sent me word they had received the Letters they expected , with farther Instructions , though not the last which come by the Secretary . I have nothing to bear me out in the encrease of this Trouble , from SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXXI . Hague , April 19. S. N. 69 : SIR , I am to acknowledge yours of the 2d current , with an enclosed from His Majesty to the States , upon the Subject of our Merchant Adventurers at Dort , to whom I shall give notice of it , and make use of this Letter , as they judge , will be most for their Advantage . It is certain as you say , that this Attempt of the States of Holland has been very unseasonable , and upon that Argument alone , I had the good fortune to stop the current hitherto , which was very strong , by a Confluence of all the Towns of Holland , except that of Dort : But I do not think there was ever any thing intended , of what it seems the Merchants represented to the Council , that the States did it with a design of laying such Customs upon our Woollen Manufactures , as might wholly discourage the Transportation of them ; for all which those of the Company save , is but a Guilder on every piece of Cloath , besides the Priviledges as to the Expence and Living of the particular Merchants ; and I look upon the Trade of coarse Cloths , to be a thing which can never fail us , since no other Nation can make them so strong and cheap as we , so that the Dutch knowing they will ever find a Market abroad , will rather aim at drawing them always through this Country , that so they may be the Retailers of them to other Nations , than endeavour to Discourage their Importation , which will but divert their current through Flanders by Emden , and other parts of Germany , where they are chiefly vented . The Pensionary of Zealand has been very earnest with me , to endeavour the restoring of the Scotch Staple to Treveur , which will be of good consequence to the English Company , much satisfie the Prince of Orange , and the States of Holland too I believe , and indeed , how a thing that was of 200 years standing , came to be alter'd without great change of Circumstances , I could never tell . I wrote about it lately upon the Princes particular desire , but received no answer upon it . The States of Holland are retired , and the Deputies of Zealand likewise , having concluded nothing more upon their Differences , then only to meet again about the beginning of May , so that in their Conferences hitherto , there has been no occasion of mentioning the Princes interest , which must fall into debate , I suppose , before the other ends . I hear the Province of Zealand has much distracted the Intentions , of sending Monsieur Van Benninghen over , as believing it a design in those of Holland , to alter the Ancient Disposition of that Ambassy , which has been appropriated to Zealand , as also to compose the business of the East-Indies , though at the cost of the other difference about Surinam , in which Holland is little concern'd , as Zealand is in the other . Yesterday I had a Conference with the Ministers of Sweden , and the Deputies of the States , upon the Acts of the Guaranty and Subsidies , where after some offers by the Swedish Ministers , at the change of any Expressions that might seem hard towards France , and the reading over the Act of Guaranty , wherein they could six upon nothing that could bear much of that Interpretation ; they at length consented to it in the very Terms which were Transmitted over to his Majesty , and approved by him , as well as by the States . They debated likewise the Terms of the Subsidies , but at last concluded it either necessary to have the whole Sum paid , or else good caution given for the two last Terms , upon which they might ( as I gather . ) hope with small loss to raise the Sum , and leave those they deal with , for the advance to any further Risque , and in these points they desire our further Interposition with the Spanish Ministers , professing to have nothing to do with Spain in the end , no more than the beginning of this Affair ; and declaring upon all occasions with great Nicety , that their Master was content to give the Guaranty , only in pursuit of his part in the Tripple Alliance , and his publick regards towards the Repose of Christendon , and not induced by any consideration of Gain or Advantage , which might be pretended to be made them by the Subsidies , which were grounded upon a particular promise of ours and Holland , after the Tripple Alliance was concluded . As for the Instrument about the concert of Forces for Support of the Peace , the Swedish Ministers say , they are not yet instructed in it , and that their Master is of the mind , I told them in private , the King was off , not to let it accompany the Guaranty , but follow afterwards as an Act between those of the Tripple Alliance , and not to be given Spain as the other was ; And joyning our Strengths in this matter , we had the less Resistance from the Dutch Commissioners , though they at first began to press us hard , for the finishing that at the same time ; So as it was concluded , I and two of the Commissioners should go to Morrow to the Spanish Ambassador , and let him know , that upon Agreement , the three several parts of the Triple Alliance were now content to give the Guaranty which had been desired by Spain , and in the Terms which had been communicated before to their Ministers ; provided they were ready to satisfie what had been so long desired upon the matters of the Swedish Subsidies : And thereupon to press him to the whole payment , or to the caution of particular Men in these Countries , empowered to it by their Correspondents in the Spanish Dominions . In the first point we shall have no Success , and I know not whether the Dutch desire it in the second , or have much reason to do so : For they had rather , I suppose , have this Tie last still for 16 Months longer up on Sweden , than cease by such caution , as will immediately raise the Money , which is that the Swedes would be at , and stick not to argue from their Apprehension of Disorders in Spain , which may hereafter disappoint them , which cannot happen , but at the same time they must render useless the further effects of the Triple Alliance . I apprehend the Spanish Ambassador will stand upon the Conclusion , and at least Communication of the third Instrument for concert of Forces , and that he will be privately encouraged to it by the Dutch Ministers , who are very earnest upon the finishing that Transaction , and the Swedes seem not unwilling , having upon the Dutch pressing it upon the Conference , declared , that though they were not yet impowr'd as to that particular , yet their Master understood that should be likewise concluded before their Commissioners ended , or Monsieur Marshall parted from thence . In this point I desire further Instructions of his Majesties pleasure , how I am to carry it if I think my self prest on all sides upon it , for hitherto I have diverted it as dexterously as I could , but doubt , I may be brought to a direct point in it . I have had since my last no further discourse about the Marine Article , but only of the breaking up the last Conference . Monsieur de Witt told me , he must come next Week and talk with me about it . I am ever as becomes me , SIR , Your most Humble , and most Obedient Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXXII . Hague , April 23. N. S. 69. SIR , UPon Saturday last I and the Deputies of this State , gave the Spanish Ambassador an account of our Conference with the Swedish Ministers , and of our being all ready to give Spain the Guaranty desired , upon their Satisfaction of the Subsidies to Sweden . He would fain have perswaded us to the addition of some words , as in one place that mentions the French's Contravention to the Peace , he would have inserted Directement or Indirectement , and upon the mention of warranting the Peace of Aix , he would have added et celle des Pirc●èés d'autants qu'ell ' est confirm●è par cette derniere . The Dutch made not much difficulty upon either , but I said absolutely , I could not change a Sillable of the Act Transmitted into England , without first communicating it to his Majesty , and I believe the Swedish Ministers were under the same Restrictions , which the Spanish Ambassador resolved to try and sound it so ; and that I suppose will put an end to his further Niceties . Upon the whole , his Answer was , that when we Signed other Acts of Guaranty , he would Sign that for payment of the Subsidies ; and when the Ratification arrived from Sweden , the Money of the first payment should be ready at Amsterdam , though he says it is yet at Sevill . For the caution we demanded for the two latter Terms to be given of Burgers in Amsterdam ; He said , he would write to the Constable , and I find has a design of satisfying it by some Tolls upon the Meuse , which lies in an open Country , and will be first exposed to the War. By further and freer Conference with Monsieur Marshal , I find that the difficulty made by Sweden hitherto of entring into the particular concert at the same time with the Guaranty ( as both Spain and Holland desire ) proceeds from an imagination they have of inducing , at least Holland and Spain , if not us , to contribute towards the maintaining constantly even in time of Peace , a Swedish Army on foot in the Dutchy of Bremen , which I doubt will not succeed on any side : However knowing his Majesties unwillingness to enter at present into that Concert , I make use of the Swedes to cover me , when I am prest upon it , either by Spain or Holland ; saying , his Majesty is first resolv'd to know the Swedes mind , and afterwards that his Majesties Answer is but a business of ten days . The Spanish Ambassador has lately put in a Memorial here full of the Alarms in Flanders , that the French would make an Attempt upon Conde , or some other of the pretended places ; upon which the Constable had received orders from the Queen , that in case of any such Action , though pretended only upon those places , he should look upon it as an opening the War in all parts , and proceed accordingly , being resolved rather to lose all they possess there in the Field , than to suffer any new Indignity . My Lord Carlisle assures me by one from aboard the Ship which was carrying him from Coppenhagen to Stockholme , that the Orders were given to open the Trade for our English Merchants in those Dominions , according to the Treaty of 60 , in which that King desired only that the 3d Article might be alter'd . And that the Viceroy of Norway was appointed for the Ambassy into England . They tell me he 's that young Gabel , who is now in France , Son to the Stadtholder Gabel , that shall be joyned with him . The Devotion or Leasure of these Holy days , has suffered no business here since my last , and so given no occasion for tho encrease of this Trouble ; from , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXXIII . Hague , April 26. S. N. 69. SIR , THough I was sorry for the occasion given us of new Jealousies by the Arrival of our East-India Ships , yet I was glad to receive by yours of the 9th current , any new Arguments to pursue the difficult point I am here engaged in . I could not but communicate to Monsieur de Witt such parts of the Letter as I thought to my purpose ; because I could add nothing to the strength of the Motives , nor the Terms . He said upon it , that this was all general , but he hoped that upon the Arrival of these Ships and Letters with so fresh Intelligence , you would be at the trouble of sending me some particular Complaints , to the end the States might give order for their immediate Redress , and come to understand the nature of the Grievances we feared . He said , that which he should be glad to see , was an Information that at such a time ( since we say the occasion of our jealousies began ) such a Ship was hinder'd by such a Fort from making a passage , which had been formerly permitted us , or such a new Fort was erected , and had blockt up a passage which was formerly free , or that at such a time the Dutch Company had made War upon such a Nation , where our Trade was before Establisht , and possest themselves of it , that so the States might examine the grounds of such Actions , to the end both of Remedying and preventing them . And he hoped such Instances might be given without mingling them with former matters , which had been liquidated between the Nations by former Negotiations , in some of which we appear'd to have had reason , and had receiv'd Reparation , and in others upon Examination , we had prov'd to be ill informed . From this we fell into large debates about the necessity of framing some Article upon it , and the ill consequences of failing in it , whether it were by direct or tacite refusal : But I did not find that either of us could say much upon this beaten Theam , which had not been said before . He allows all that I can say upon the ill consequences of any dissatisfaction between the Nations , and the necessity of our Alliance to them in this Conjuncture , and that he has thought of it more than of any matter that has been a great while upon his hands , but cannot yet find any disposition in the Directors , to believe it possible to frame any Article upon it , without incurring the danger we would avoid of Disputes between us . He said , he hoped we would not take it ill , that they made difficulty of entring into a new Contract with us , since in all Alliances , Reparations were necessary , but new Contracts were always voluntary . However , he desir'd me that I would give him a Copy of those parts of their Letter which I had read to him , which he would send away that very night to Amsterdam , and make the best use of it he could , either to dispose Monsieur Van Benninghen to go suddenly into England , or to think of some new Expedient in this matter : For he was of Opinion , that one or other of them was necessary ; but having been already disavowed in two Draughts , he had proposed to the Directors , he durst not offer at it again alone . He confest , that by the Dissatisfaction of the Province of Zealand , and particularly of Monsieur Boreel , upon the Discourse of Monsieur Van Benninghen's going over , and by Domestick Affairs of his own , and others of his Son , he had been of late wholly discouraged from undertaking the Journey , how much soever he had once resolved it , and been since prest upon it by several of the States , but that he would shortly give me an account of the effect , at his next dispatch to Amsterdam , with which our Discourse ended . For the business of Surinam , he has assur'd me of his endeavours to bring it to what we desire , as is so clearly exprest in your last Letter ; and I doubt not but the Resolutions of those of Zealand upon it , will be brought hither by their Deputies about the beginning of next Month , in which the Pensionary of Zealand promised to imploy himself at his return thither . The Swedish Ministers press still to have caution to the two last Terms , which may be as good as Money , and upon which they may raise it presently without much loss ; and withal , they are very earnest to have the first payment made upon their Signing the Guaranty , without staying for the Satisfaction . I doubt very much of the Spanish Ministers being induced to either of these , and all that I and the Dutch can do in it , is to assure the Swedes of the same Offices from his Majesty and the States towards Spain for compleating , as for beginning their Satisfaction . I find by Monsieur Marshall since my last , that in case of this Affair's being well ended , which I see little doubt of , they have Orders to consent to the Framing and Signing a project of Concert between those of the Alliance , as to the number and quantity of Forces , which each of them shall furnish ; but without any sort of Specification concerning the manner of acting , or without particularizing the Assistance of one King or another , but the Forces to be imployed against that King that shall break the Peace ; and they will be content with their proportion at Twelve thousand Men. I have nothing to encrease this Trouble , beyond the professions of my being always , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . Just upon the closing of this Letter , the Spanish Ambassador brings me the enclosed Copy of the Answer arrived from the Constable , to the account given him of what past here in our Conferences the last Week , about the Guaranty offer'd , and the caution demanded by the Swedes . LETTER XXXIV . Hague , May 3d. S. N. 69 ▪ SIR , I am not yet able to make any particular answer to the several parts of your Letter of the 13th , but doubt not to gain an Order from the States , in consequence of the Surinam Articles , for Liberty and Assistance of those that desire to remove , to which end I shall have a Conference with the Commissioners on Munday next , and have before ▪ hand Monsieur de Witt 's promise of Assistance in that matter , which I resolv'd to defer no longer , though the Deputies of Zealand are to be here on the 14th Current , who promised to bring the Resolutions of their Province with them . Monsieur Marshall has been out of Town since my last , so that we have yet no Result from him or Monsieur Appleboom concerning the Guaranty , nor whether they intend to Sign it without partiticular caution for the remainder of the Subsidies : But the last sent me word this Morning , that he expected the other in Town to morrow , after whose return they would suddenly acquaint us how far they could proceed in all the matters that are before them ; though I shall divert their coming to any Resolution in that of the concert of Forces , as long as I can , and to be sure come to none my self upon it , till I know his Majesties further pleasure . Monsieur de Witt tells me , that Monsieur Van Benninghen had a large Conference with the Directors at Amsterdam upon the subject of your Letter , some parts whereof concerning the new Complaints , arrived by our last Ships , I had communicated to him ; and that they promis'd him a further consideration of it , and that they would Transmit the Result of all they should deliberate upon that Subject , in a Letter hither , which they say I may expect next Week . Monsieur de Witt is very desirous that Monsieur Van Benninghen would go over upon this occasion , and has desired me to endeavour the disposing him to it , which I doubt will be difficult . He alledges many considerations of his Town and Charge , and has others of his own , I suppose ; among which , one that he never mentions , I doubt , may have some weight ; which is , that he is in the midst of a Building here that he began last Summer , and intends to finish this , and seems a little fond of the care of it . I am ever as becomes me , SIR , Your most Faithful , and most Humble Servant . W. Temple . LETTER XXXV . Hague , May 10. S. N. 69. SIR , I have received your last of the 23 〈…〉 past , and was sorry you had occasion to put me again in mind of the Orde 〈…〉 about Surinam . I gave in a Memori 〈…〉 concerning it again , the beginning of th 〈…〉 Week ; but Monsieur de Witt has been o 〈…〉 of Town ever since Munday Night , a 〈…〉 for that reason I have not yet prest to h 〈…〉 my Conference , fearing in case it happe 〈…〉 in his absence , either nothing would 〈…〉 done , as it commonly happens ; or el 〈…〉 the Learned Deputies might give so 〈…〉 stop to the way of doing it , which M 〈…〉 sieur de Witt has declared his Satisfacti 〈…〉 in . But if he comes back to morrow , 〈◊〉 hope to see the dispatch of it before th 〈…〉 next Post. Since my last , the Act of Guaranty h 〈…〉 been Signed by all parties in the form , whic 〈…〉 goes here enclosed , and differs from wh 〈…〉 I sent before , only in the omission of two words of no moment , and which came I suppose rather by chance then on purpose . They are only the words Respectivement , and Voysias ; but the omission has happened to run through all three Instruments . They are all in my possession , and likewise the Spanish Ambassador's Act for payment of the Subsidies , there by consent to remain till the Money on one side , and the Ratification on the other side Arrive . But yet he is so Punctillious , that he will not be satisfied , unless the word Ratifier be put in at the latter end in stead of Procurer ; which as I conceive ▪ cannot be as it now runs , without Nonsense , since it refers to the Trois Originaux , before mentioned to be Signed by the two Kings and the States , which are in effect the same with Ratifications , and so we should oblige our selves to make a Ratification be Ratified . But yet this old Ambassador will not understand it , and I doubt will put us to the trouble of Signing new Instruments , unless Monsieur de Witt at his return can satisfie him better than I. But I suppose this change of the last Lines , if it should be made , will signifie nothing to the Instrument which the King Signs ; and which if it be an Original , and not a Ratification , will end at those words , De la cause qui en te ▪ cas deviendra commune . I know not whe ther the Spanish Ambassador was more Ar tificial or no , in another change he made in his Instrument of Subsidies , where he has put in , qu' ayant traittè et adjustè avec la triple allyance touchant la Guarentie et le payement de subsides , he promised . But I told him plainly the Swedes would never consent to any such Clause , nor own that they had ever treated with any Minister of Spain , touching either Guaranty or Money , which they pretend to give and receive only in pursuit of their Alliance with us and Holland to that purpose : And the Spanish Ambassador has promis'd me , to send me another Instrument without that Clause , though with much ado . Between so much Delicacy on both sides , I have had trouble enough to bring People together , that have not yet seen one another , and they make me much acknowledgment of it on both sides , by which means I have the luck to be in both their confidence ; and to find that however they are come to agree at last , yet they are but very little satisfied with one anothers manner of proceeding . Monsieur Mareschal has once more promised me , that they will excuse themselves from falling upon the particular concert , till the first payment be made , and that when they do , they will go no further than Generals , and against the Violator of the Peace , without specifying one thing more than another , so as it may be only a concert between our selves , and not to be given to Spain as was design'd , by that Grown and this State. All which , I suppose , is exactly agreeable with the Kings intentions , as I find them exprest in your last , that is , in case it cannot be defer'd without disagreeing from the two other principals ; but I shall be sure to bring nothing to an issue , without first acquainting you with what passes in that particular , and receiving his Majesties commands upon it . I can say nothing more of the Marine Article since my last , having not heard of Monsicur de Witt or Van Benninghen since . They will not be so consident in Flanders , as I see , we are in England of this Summer's passing without ▪ Action , but take great ▪ alarm at the noise of the French Kings coming to Marymon● the end of this Month , with those Troops which they call ●a M●i●●n de Roy , and they say consist of 12000 choice Men. The States have lately had some Letters , which make several of them jealous of M●●str●●●● likewise , in case of the French Troops gathering in Flanders : But I hope all their designs in France this Summer , will lie towards Candia , since you say those Succours proceed , though I find by several Letters from Italy , they much doubt in those parts , whether the French Intentions that way , are sincere or not , and whether that King will not yet find some pretext to delay them till the Town be taken , which is now said to be in much danger . I am always , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XXXVI . Hague , May 16. S. N. 69. SIR , I was taken up with such long Conferences , upon the Marine and Surinam Affairs with the Deputies of Amsterdam and Zealand , that I had not time to give you the trouble of them , when the last post went away , which I should have been sorry for , if my Success had been likely to please you : The Sum of all Monsieur Van Benninghen's Reasonings who was the mouth of the rest , run'd upon those two points so often toucht , that we demand new methods to prevent a Disease ; but will not say when or where we have felt it , or any Symptoms of it , whereas let them but know in particular what we ask , and we may be sure of this States doing all that can be for the Kings Satisfaction . The other was , that we understand our selves too well , and the present conjuncture to fear any injuries from them in the Indies , who have no other support here , besides our Alliance , and upon that point , said as much as I could have done my self , though without any conclusion to our purpose , nor has he yet sent me a Copy of Monsieur Valkeneer's Letter , or the Expedient proposed in it , which I mention'd about a fortnight since . So jealous are those of Amsterdam in this matter , that they cannot fall upon any sort of Proposition , but they presently imagine twenty Interpretations we may raise upon it , beyond their meaning ; and I believe they fear it more now , then if our Friendship were less necessary to them . Monsieur Van Benninghen promises every day to send to Monsieur Valkeneer , to propose his Expedient , and Monsieur de Witt says , if we cannot agree upon it here , Monsieur Boreel shall be instructed upon his going into England , either to give or receive Satisfaction in it ; and this is all I can yet get from them , and know not how to help my self . The Pensionary of Zealand was harder in his Arguments about Surinam , maintaining first , that after the conclusion of the Peace , the King had no further right to interest himself in any thing that past in that Colony , no more then they in the New Netherlands , or Spain in the Burse , or Breda , or all their other Towns surrender'd upon Articles , but whose Soveraignty by the Peace , was given up to them . That if Articles were not observ'd , the Inhabitants might complain , but to them only who were by the Peace become their Soveraign , and not to any other Prince . But though they wav'd that in complyance to his Majesty , yet they had reason to wonder why we should press so far for satisfaction in this matter , without giving it in the wrongs , they had received from my Lord Willoughby , after such peremptory commands from the King in their behalf , and that if the Kings O●ficers would not obey him , we had reason to fear the same from theirs , and here I was to hear a long deduction of my Lord Willoughby's Action , with all the aggravation that could be , but having weather'd these two points , we fell upon the Articles themselves after his having profest that they should be observ'd , and upon the fifth he argued , that the words [ together with their Estates , ] could mean only the product of their Estates sold ; because after mention of power to sell their Estate , it is said immediately after . [ And the Governor in that case shall promise , that he be Transported , ] 2dly , That this appear'd to be the meaning , and not that they should have liberty to carry away their Slaves , because there was another express Article which was the 19th , to give that liberty particularly to those who would go off with the Fleet that was there , and which would have been needless , if it had been comprehended by the former Article . 3dly , That if this were so meant , they would have a priviledge more than either they had while they were his Majesties Subjects , or than any of theirs ; for in none of our or their Plantations is it ( as he says ) permitted , that any Inhabitant who removes , shall carry away his Slaves , but he is to sell them there , because they are an essential part of the fruits of the Land , and without which , the Soil is nothing worth . These were his main Arguments , and I used the best I could to maintain my point , and we parted with assurance of his utmost endeavours , to give his Majesty satisfaction without the ruine of the Colony . The other Deputies have promised me the same , but I doubt it is only with intention , to ascertain the satisfaction of those that remove , for such of their Slaves as are necessary to the Lands there , at the current price of Slaves in those parts , for this I hear is whisper'd among them , as an expedient in the business . But I cannot yet get their Resolution , which I doubt is something delay'd , by the present Affairs between Holland and Zealand , which are every day in agitation , though a day passes not without calling upon them about it , which is always answer'd with promise of dispatch . Since the writing of this , I have yours of the 11th , which signi●ies his Majesties satisfaction in the Negotiations here about the Guaranty and Subsidies , and intentions to dispatch suddenly the Ratification of the first . I was surpriz'd this Morning , when Monsieur Marcschal came to me , and shew'd me the Swedish Ratification , which was just then arrived , and could wish the Spaniards had made as much hast with their Money , of which I can yet hear no News from the Spanish Ambassadors , and wish , that after all these pains that have been taken to make this party , it be not broken at last by the extream Negligence , or Disorder of the Spanish Court , and Counsels ; for their spoiling all their own Affairs , and ruining themselves , are things that , I think , God alone can help . In the mean time I know not whether the Count de Molinas being made sensible of this particular , Will contribute any thing towards it . Sir Tho. Higgons parted from hence on Saturday for An●werp , and gave me the same assurance , I see you have received , of the German Princes disposition in the present Affairs of our Alliance , which you would have reason to be firm in , if the French Ambassador had any in the long Discourses and Applauses he has been making this Afternoon upon this point , that never any King had in any Negotiation given such a Coup de Maistre , and just after a War , made Holland depend more upon him , then he could have done by a Conquest . Que 〈…〉 d' avoir trou●è le def●●t de ●●●●èes et poussè son coup a● corur ; and th●n , Ne ●●●●● pas le modeste là dessi●● , car vous s●●●ez qu' ils sont a vous , et le premier pas que nous serons j●●●is ●n Flandres , v●us disposerez de la Hollande comm ' d'●ne de vos provinces , and twenty Strains of this kind , in which I shewed him how much he mistook , since in 8 Months time I could not make an end of one Marine Article , nor compass the execution of those of Surinam , which were Arguments enough , of the little influence we had here , or of my unsuccessful Negotiations . For the rest , he turns all the fears of the Spaniards , en ridicule , says , the French King has not above 6000 Men in the Camp , has sent 7000 effective to the Relief of Candia , has no present Application , but to finish the Fortifications of the Conquer'd places , and without the death of the King of Spain , has no thoughts but of Peace and Devertisement . He laughs at the Counsels here about encreasing their Forces , and at their Alarms of the Bishop of Munster's arming and providing Ammunition , and if all be true , his Master has the sport of of being quiet himself , and yet troubling every body else . I am always as becomes me , SIR , Your most Obedient , and most Humble Servant , W. Temple . At this Instant , Monsieur de Witt sent to excuse the delay of the business of Surinam , upon the Affairs between the two Provinces , which have wholly taken them up for some days ; but promises me an end of it before this week passes . LETTER XXXVI . Hague , Iune 4. S. N. 69 ▪ SIR , I omitted to acknowledge by the last Post , one I had then received from you of the 13th past , because I could then add nothing to what I writ to my Lord Arlington , having not communicated the papers you were pleas'd to send me , upon the Subject of the Dutch Peace at Macassar . I have since done it , and discoursed with Monsieur de Witt upon them , who has taken them into his hands , to communicate with the East-India Company , and receive their Answer , which I thought best to attend , before I put in any Memorial to the States , and so made it publick ; because I find great use is made by the French , of the matters depending between us and the Dutch to possess other Princes , and especially those in Germany , with an Opinion of the unsteddiness of our common Counsels , in the pursuit of the Tripple Alliance , which may be of ill consequence to the general Affairs of this conjuncture : For unless we are forced to fall out , it will more than any thing , conduce to the present Peace of Christendom , so much desired by us both , that we be thought very good friends , whether we are so or no. I am sure we should be so , if it were not for the East-India Affairs , but what they may produce in time , God knows ; for I take it for an ill presage to find upon all those matters , not only our Merchants , but our Ministers on both sides have Opinions strangely different , as to what is Reason and Equity between us . For I have both my Lord Arlington's and your Opinion upon this Action at Macassar , in terms which make me see it is ressented in England ; and in the Paper of the East-India Company , which is sent me over as the ground of my demands , one point absolutely insisted upon , is Reparation of the Damages sustained there about four Months after the Treaty Signed at Breda . When I read the whole thing to Monsieur de Witt , he would very hardly believe those papers had been perused by our Ministers , but that they came immediately from our Merchants , and made it very strange we should complain of any Hostilities that had been done there , when we were as much in War as we had been a year before , unless we could prove the hard usage of Prisoners , which he said was a thing not to be countenanced or suffer'd by them . For the demand of Reparation , he desired me only to read the 7th Article of the Treaty at Breda , which gives 8 Months time on the other side the Equinoctial , for notification of the Peace ; and says , that all Merchandise or Moveables taken within that time , shall remain to the possessors without any exception , or any regard had to the making Restitution , or Compensation . I must confess , I was at a stand in both these points , but will believe it came from the inequality of the match between Monsieur de Witt and me , in the point of Reasoning ; and therefore I must desire to be fortisied from better hands . That which occurs to me upon this matter , is , that we cannot complain of them for what past in the War , but that in pursuit of our pretence upon the Marine Article , for passing Forts , we may demand that no Progress of their Conquests in the Indies , should be made use of to deprive us of a Trade we had before establisht in the Countries of any Indian Princes , nor no Treaties be made with any of them , to exclude us from such Trade : And this I tell Monsieur de Witt and all of them , upon all occasions will be absolutely necessary , if they intend to live long in good intelligence with us , and in good humour between the Nations . And after all their Arguments from Justice or Practice , I tell them , that whether it be by means just or unjust , usual or unusual , we shall never endure to see our Trade in the East-Indies devolve every year by degrees into their hands , so as to give us apprehensions of our total Loss , and their absolute acquisition of it . I will add nothing more upon this Argument , ( for all that is said upon it , would be endless ) but expect their Answers upon those Papers , and what they promise of Proposals towards some expedient in the Marine Article from Amsterdam , for from thence it must come , Monsieur de Witt protesting , it is a thing he dares not meddle in , but by orders from thence , which I have some reason to believe . I have expected all this day the Resolutions about Surinam , having been assured I should have them , but it grows so late , I begin to doubt it ; and the rather , because these two days have been all in disorder with the Prince's Feasts to the Deputies of Zealand , and the States to the French Ambassador . The Affair between the two Provinces , is like to come to an issue , by an Expedient lately proposed , of the Zealanders quitting their Session in the Courts of Justice , but having the same share in the Supream Court of Appeals , which they had before in the other ; and I do not find this is like to bring on any sudden mention of the Prince between them . The Bishop of Munster makes a good deal of talk here , as I am sure , you know , by the common News . The truth of his business is , that his Troops in Garrison are encreased to about five or six Thousand , and that he has about ten Thousand of his Peasants listed in Companies , who are paid at the rate of a Crown a Month , but which seems to be done with intention of drawing them into Service , though he professes no intentions of any designs , but only to guard himself , in case the Dutch , now they are every where in Peace , should think of revenging themselves for his last adventure . It is not yet resolved , whether these Alarms will produce the Augmentation of the Troops here , which hath been so often spoken off . The paper mention'd in yours of the 18th will be very welcome , being much enquir'd after by the Swedes ; I mean , his Majesties Answer upon their Propositions . I advise them to go as far as they can with Holland , with confidence his Majesties concurrence will not fail them , but they would have our Assistance too . I know nothing to encrease your trouble , beyond the professions of my being always , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple ▪ LETTER XXXVII . Hague , Iune 7. S. N. 69. SIR , I have this day received yours of the 26th past , and am like to make you a bad return , by answering it both in ill health , and ill humour : For I shall soon grow weary of my imployment here , when I find I cannot be useful in the degree which is desired by his Majesty , as well as by my self , and I doubt it will prove true , what I often tell the Ministers here , tho' they take it in jest , that my Star is past , and in stead of that lucky one which influenced my former Negotiations , I have met another that crosses me in all I now engage in . I find by your last as well as by the former , what I am to insist upon in the business of Surinam , and did it to the utmost in those Conferences I gave you the account of , and have since expected the States Resolutions thereupon , which have been so often promised me , and yet I am not possest of them , though they tell me I shall before the closing of this Pacquet . But I am not so impatient to see them , since a Visit I received last night from the Pensionary of Zealand , who begun with his having defer'd it some days , because he would not come without giving me the certainty of those Resolutions having past the States , and in such form , as he doubted not I would be satisfied with : For they had done all that could be in compliance to his Majesty , though they knew very well he had no right to interpose in this matter , any more then they did in the behalf of the Dutch in the new Neatherlands , upon which point of all Right ceasing , after a Cession made of the Soveraignty by the Peace , he at large insisted . He would not pretend to tell me the particulars of the Resolutions , which he said should not fail to be in my hands to day , but as far as I can gather , they amount no more than to orders for their Governor , that Proclamation shall be made to declare liberty given to all that desire to remove ; that they come and given in their Names within a certain time , and shall have another convenient time allotted them to sell their Estates ; and if they cannot find a Ghapman in that time , the States will buy them at the usual prices , and the Slaves at the same prices they cost , and after that they shall by the Governor be furnisht with convenient Shipping , and at usual Rates to Transport them to such parts as they desire . The debate I fell into with him upon the point of carrying off our Slaves , admitted nothing new , that I remember , besides what I related to you from our former Conferences ; but upon the other point of their Orders , or the Duplicates being carryed thither by one of the Kings Ships , which Monsieur de Witt , and the other Commissioners in our former Conference , had not seemed at last very averse to , I found this Gentleman in quite another language , and nettled at the Advice , it seems , he had received , that the King intended to send Major Bannister thither , and imploy him and a Ship of our own in this Removal . He fell into long Discourses of the mischiefs the Major had practised against them there , and of the Reasons there had been for the States of Zealand's Sentence against him , and particularly that part , that he should never return thither , which he was sure they would be resolute in , and after that of the little appearance , they should suffer any of our Ships to come thither , when none of their were suffered to touch at any of our Colonies in those parts ; but so far from it , that they had now a complaint to make about an English Ship from Guiney with Slaves , that was by stress of Weather forced lately into Surinam , and selling their Slaves there , had freighted themselves with a sort of Wood , that was necessary for those of the Barbadoes , where as soon as this Ship arrived , all the wood was immediately consiscated , because it was upon the account of some of the Inhabitants of Surinam . Upon these points , we talkt our selves out of breath , and into very ill humour , which he would have ended , by saying , he did not doubt but when I saw the Resolutions of the States , I would be satisfied with them , though I have no belief of it at this time . In all these Discourses , I ever wave answering the long and bitter complaints they fall into against my Lord Willoughby , and the demands of Reparation , so that I doubt Monsieur Boreel will be very ill company upon that Subject , when he goes over , which is intended within a fortnight or three weeks . I heard about ten days since , that Mr. St. Iohns , that was chief Justice in Cromwell's time , was come to some place , not far from Utrecht , and a Son of his with him , who was lately at Amsterdam . I took no notice of it , because I suppose he is free to go where he pleases ; and I know not whether I had reason to make any reflection upon a great many English landing at Rotterdam , from several Vessels , and passing by this place towards Amsterdam , and I suppose with design of going to visit Mr. St. Iohns . One of them was Mr. Walter St. Iohns , with his Lady , another was Sir Foulke Howe ; there was a Sir Iames too with them , whose Name I could not be assured off , though the Person I imploy'd told me , he heard him once call'd by it , and thought it was some such Name as Sir Iames Bagg , and that there was another whom he had often seen go in and out of the Parliament House . There are about 30 in all , as I hear , with Women and Servants : But passing in several companies , lodging in Dutch Houses , and seeming to do it with a design of being private , this made me curious to enquire more of them , and send to Rotterdam , to enquire how they came over . With much adoe I found the House they lodged in there , and that they came part in the Dutch Paquet-boat , and part in a Vessel from a small Creek in Essex or Suffolk , and two Gentlemen in a Ship from Weymouth in Dorsetshire ; that they were Visited at Rotterdam by Desborough , Helsey , one Major White , and Bolsprit a Merchant , all Men of the same Strain , who were lock'd up in a room with them five or six hours , and White and Helsey went away with them upon their Journey towards Amsterdam . I have engaged one to follow them , and give me a further account of them , if he ran , though I know not at all what such Persons , their Journies , or Meetings can signifie : However , I thought it fit to give you notice of it , because you may by comparing Circumstances , unknown to me , make perhaps other Reflections . Of the Medals you mention , I can hear ●othing here further , than what Mr. Perwick wrote me last Post from France , that there were such Medals made there , and disperst on purpose to peak us against the Dutch. For Sir Samuel Morland's Cypher , we have the Key of it here , but my Secretary tells me , there is something alter'd by you in the rule and use of it , since last year , so that he has been out in something . Mr. Perwick wrote from France for a Tryal between us ; therefore I should be glad you would please to send your exact Rule , as you now use it , with a good quantity of the ruled papers , by some safe hand . Persons of all Nations here , take part in the hopes given us by the Queen , and especially the Dutch , whose chief Ministers seem to me very much concern'd in it , so that I can assure her Majesty , it will be very ill taken abroad , if she disappoint us I am ever as becomes me , SIR , Your most Humble , and most Obedient Servant , W. Temple ▪ I sent my Packet open as long as i 〈…〉 was possible , in a place where the times ar 〈…〉 so exact ; and just at this instant , the States Resolution is brought me in Dutch , with a message , that the Commissioners will come to morrow or next day , to confer with me upon it ▪ T is long , and I am not Dutchman enough to understand it well , nor have time to get it Translated , so as you will have it at full by the next . LETTER XXXVIII . Hague , Iune 18. S. N. 69. SIR , I have since my last , received the Ratification of the Guaranty , with the Paper concerning the Swedish demands in a Letter from you , which came to me by my Wife ; with a large Testimony she has given me , of the favour and assistance she received from you , in the pursuit of her business , f●r which I make you my acknowledgments ; and should do it with more circumstance , but that I see you are willing to have me in your debt , and I am desirous to come out of it , by some better way . I shall observe the Directions I receive concerning the Swedish pretentions , when they come again in play , which they have not done lately , Monsieur Mareschal having been above ten days out of Town , in hopes to hear of the first payment arriving from Spain , before his return ; for upon that performance , the rest of our Negotiations in that business will very much depend , which makes me sorry to see nothing yet effected in it , for I doubt the Sw●des within a little time , will grow weary of being entertained only with the cheap hopes and promises given them for a Month or two by the Spanish Ambassador . I have likewise received lately one from you of Iune 1st , with large reflections upon the ill returns of the States in both the Affairs of the East Indies and Surinam , and shall take the freedom you give me , of making use of those discourses to Monsieur de Witt , to which purpose they are now Translating . In the mean time I had not neglected discoursing with Monsieur Van Benninghen upon both those Subjects , though he will hardly allow that of Surinam , to be worth speaking of , I suppose , because neither the Town of Amsterdam , nor the Province of Holland , are concerned in it . For the other , I prest him upon the necessity of the general Article , with all the Warmth and Arguments I could possibly draw , from the considerations of the present conjuncture . He fell to the old defences , the danger of new and greater disputes upon the interpretation of any general Article , the consequences such an agreement with us , might have to open their Trade to all the rest of their Allies , the offers of Redress in all particulars that could happen , when-ever we could give the instances . Upon all which , I took him at the advantage , and told him none of all those three considerations could be alledged against the particular satisfaction we demanded in the business of Macassar , having a particular instance , wherein we were aggrieved , and the redress whereof , could admit no danger of interpretations , nor draw consequences to any other Nation , since no other had any Trade establisht there . He defended himself with Arguments , Monsicur de Witt had used , of this Treaty for sole commerce being the sole fruits of a long and dangerous War , and of vast expence , of every King or Government having power to dispose of their own commodities , as Sweden might contract to sell them all their Copper , or Portugal all their Salt ; and that the Article of Breda , does not oblige us to comprehend one another in all such particular Contracts , concerning Commerce , but in those of Alliance and Defence : That if they made a War purposely to destroy our Trade , it ought to be disown'd and redrest ; but if upon injuries from an Indian King , they were forced to a War , and they succeeded to have a Conquest in their power , they might use it as they pleased . I told him , all this ended in a Declaration , that they could neither give us our General Article for the future , nor particular redress for what was past , which was too much at a time , or between those that intend long to be friends ; and prest him so home , that at last he interrupted me , and askt me brusquement , whether , if they would restore us to our Trade at Macassar , I would conclude the Treaty : For tho' it would lose all the fruits of their Victory ; yet they could tell what that would cost , but what a general Article might import , no body could compute . He said further , that if this would content us , he would endeavour it . I told him I had Commission to ask no less then that Restitution , and the general Article too , but when they could resolve what to propose to me , I would transmit it to his Majesty . He promised to consider of it , and desired we might have a joynt Conference with Monsieur de Witt upon it , at his return to Town , which is this day expected . He concluded , that though he could not promise for the rest , yet he would assure me of his Endeavours , and that he hoped , his journey into England was reserved for some greater occasion . In the mean time , I thought it necessary to acquaint you with this overture , and know your Reflections upon it . I confess , I could not but be inwardly pleased with it , because it lookt like something , in stead of nothing , because a redress of this kind , may bea● a construction to imply all others as due hereafter , in cases of the like nature ; but chiefly , because in one of your Letters , you mentioned this business of Macassar , as of more importance than what injuries we could apprehend by Forts and Passages : And though I cannot yet reckon upon any thing certain from this Overture , yet I count it some advantage to have divided my Enemies . For Monsieur de Witt , that stands firmly upon the Justice of their Treaty of Macassar , as an acquisition of War with that King , declares he will endeavour the composure of some general Article , tho' he is in pain how to restrain it from possibility of Interpretations ; and Monsieur Van Benninghen , who ever declar'd the most against this last , yet offers to endeavour the Restitution at Macassar . If this be thought worthy his Majesties Reflections , it may be considered how far it would extend towards our Satisfaction , to have such an Article for Restoring our Trade at Macassar , inserted in the very Treaty of Commerce , with some such Introduction ; Que pour saire voir les intentions mutuelles de Pune et de Pautre Nation d●●'empieter pas sur le commerce Pun de Pautre , en quelque quartier des Indes qu' il soit Establi , ou sous aucun pretexte de Traitez , avec auc●n Roys ou Gouvernements , ●y d' empescher le commerce Pun de Pautre avec quelques Nations qui ●e sont pas dans Po●●upation de Pautre compagn●è , il est accordè , &c. And if we can give Instances of any particular Fort , by which we have been of late years aggriev'd , contrary to the usual practise , the Redress in that , may at the same time be insisted on , and to the words , Sous aucun pretexte de traittez , ny des Forts , may be added . And such a pursuit would I suppose walk upon a firmer foot , then the other of a general Article , which they say is in the Air , while it is not grounded upon particular instances ; and therefore so apprehended among them , that I very much doubt succeeding in it , to any other effect , then the pretences of quarrelling with them , when we find occasion . But these are sudden and undigested notions of mine , which I leave to your riper Considerations , and offer them only out of an impatient desire , I have of finding some issue out of this Affair , which has mortified me so long , by not being able to effect his Majesties desire , and is particularly unlucky to me , in being forced to represent all the Reasons they can here raise against it , by my Letters into England , wherein I take no care of enlarging upon those Arguments I use here to maintain it ; since it would be a Repetition of what I have chiefly been furnisht with out of England ; and I know this makes it look , as if in my Letters I pleaded their Cause , and not our own . But till they have a Minister in England , I know not how to help it . I doubt the Zealanders have a mind , Monsieur Bor●●l should have the honour of Negotiating the Affair of Surinam , rather than I : However , I desire to know whether his Majesty resolves I shall put in another Memorial to the States , upon their last Answer , and upon what particulars I shall Positively insist ; for that you mention at large in your ▪ last , of Major Bannisters Person , or of his Majesties sending a Ship purposely for the Transportation of the Inhabitants , has been yet mention'd only in our private Discourses , and not o●● publick papers ; and you will I hope , make that use of the failing laid to my charge , in the Merchants paper of demands , to judge it necessary that my Orders should be distinct . I am ever , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant . W. Temple . LETTER XXXIX . Hague , Iune 21. S. N. 69. SIR , I have this day received one from you of the 8th current , and shall as you give me leave , make the best use I can of it here , and you need not fear that the Dutch Ministers want being Entertained by me , in the same Style you have used in both your last Letters , and in some others before . I had yesterday a large Conference with Monsieur de Witt , concerning the East-India Business , wherein , though he endeavour'd to maintain , they had no obligation in Justice , to restore our Trade at Macassar , yet he said , he was very glad that Monsieur Van Benninghen had made me such an overture , and though he fear'd much , he would find difficulty in making it good ; yet he assur'd me , he should have all his help in it . After all we could say of both sides , I desired him to take these two Maxims with him , as those that would never fail him in all his Negotiations with us : First , that the good or ill quarter we had with them in the East-Indies , would ever have a great influence upon our Alliances , and good or ill intelligence with them in Europe , since we overmatch them here , as much as they did us in the Indies , and so must necessarily ballance one by the other . And to make this good the second Maxim I gave him , was , that how luckily soever they had escaped the danger of our last War , yet whenever a King of England should fall in frankly with the current humour of his People , for the understanding and managing any War , wherein both should take their Honour and Interest to be equally concerned , there was nothing which our Crown was not capable of , atchieving , since the true strength of all Kingdoms and States , consisted in the number of good and warlike Bodies of Men , that are their Native Subjects ; in which I believed no King in Christendom could equal his Majesty , considering the number and natural courage of the Subjects in his several Kingdoms , hesides the general Riches of England , whenever they meet an occasion that would make them willing to open their purses , to any degree near what all their Neighbours were forced to do every day . Monsieur de Witt acknowledged both these to be true , and upon the last , said , he believed France had more Men than we , but we had more good Men then they , and upon that Subject , he fell upon extolling the bravery of our Nation by many Examples , and to a degree , that no English Man could have said more : And for the other point , he said we might be sure by our being so much stronger here then they were , that we should never want fair quarter with them in the Indies ; but he hoped we would not press them upon things that they could not grant , without endangering the ruine of all their Establishments , or their Alliance with us . To say Truth upon all Discourses of this kind , or the necessity of their preserving our Alliance in this conjuncture , both Monsieur de Witt , and the rest of their Ministers ever yielded all I can say : But on the other side , what they think is reason , they hold they must perish ▪ with it , and that when a Nation once yields that point in their Negotiations with any other , they must ever after treat rather as a Province , then as an equal State. And therefore I doubt the fault is in me , that have not yet been able to make them acknowledge , that we have reason in what we demand , though I am not yet out of hopes , to bring our East-India business to something , as far as I can ground by Monsieur de Witt , and Van Benninghen's last Discourses . And to that purpose , I resolve next week to make one step more than I have yet done , by a Journey to Amsterdam , which they both advise me to ; and I hear those of that Town , have a good while expected it , as it seems other Ambassadors have used to make them a visit in less time ; and then I shall confer with the Directors all together , and the chief of the Company besides , and know what I am to trust to . The day before yesterday , I conferr'd with the Pensionary of Zealand , who drew up the States last Answer about Surinam , and read him that part of your former long Letter which concerned that matter . He pretended to hope , when his Majesty had seen their Answer , he would be better satisfied , but I soon beat him from that post , and pursued it so far , as to read him the last words of your Discourse , upon both the Subjects of the Marine and Surinam , concerning the ill consequences they were like to have , and that such as were friends to our Alliance , would not be long able to resist them . He answer'd me very gravely ; First for our warranting my Lord Willoughby's Actions by the 7th Article , he would reason no more upon it , if the 6th ▪ Article would not convince us by those words [ shall be restored , bona fide , in the same state and condition wherein they shall be found to be at the time , when ▪ ever it shall be known in those places , that the Peace is made . ] He alledged likewise , the words in the 7th Article , [ taken or gotten in Places and Coasts far distant after the Peace is concluded , and before it be notified unto those places , ] and said , my Lord Willoughby's Actions were not only after he knew of the Peace , but after he had received orders from his Majesty , for restoring that Colony according to the Articles of the Peace . He ended , that though in compliance to his Majesty , they had given the last Answer ; yet they could never allow the English at Surinam , to be his Majesties Subjects , as I called them , after that Colony was delivered to them , according to the Articles of Breda , [ with plenary right of Soveraignty and Propriety ] Et que si sa Majesté estoit resolve de prendre c●lle petite affaire si ●aut , Il ●alloit avoir patience . I had several times resolv'd , never any more to write you back any of the Reasons used here against the demands I propose , and Arguments I use to make them good ; because I have long sound , that it is taken by many in England , to be a pleading of their Cause ; and therefore I thought never to send you any thing in this kind , but what they gave you in writing : Yet I have Transgress'd again for this time , because in your last , you seem to desire to know , what reply they make against my Lord Willoughby's being justified by the Treaty of Breda , which I had omitted hitherto to acquaint you with , because it was not directly a thing under my hands , though I have ever observed , that the States General , as well as those of Zealand were as unsatisfied as could be , with all that part of the Kings last Answer to Monsieur Boreel , which concern'd my Lord Willoughby . Besides I consider , that though it be the part of a good Courtier to offer nothing to his Prince , but what is like to please him ; yet perhaps 't is the part of a good Minister upon all Disputes , to be faithful in relating the Reasons that are given him , and thereby to lay all fair for a judgment to be made , that so his Majesty may be sure to ground his Resolutions upon clear and evident Reason , which is of infinite advantage to any Cause . If the King would have me do otherwise , I can much easier obey him , and perhaps much better for , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XL. Hague , Iune 25. N. S. 69. SIR , IT is sit to give you some respite this Post from the frequent troubles you have , of late received upon the Subject of the Marine and Surinam , I attend his Majesties Orders upon the last , and shall perform them . If we must fall out with the Dutch , we can never do it in more nor in better company ; for I know not whether we are more dissatisfied with them at this time , then France and Spain , and Sweden , and the Bishops of Collen and Munster , the two last for particular Affairs , wherein as far as I can see , the Dutch use them something hardly , and might have spar'd it in this conjuncture . Sweden , for refusing to secure any part of their Subsidies , and Spain for pressing them to secure the whole by a Aypotheque of the upper quarter of Gelderland . But these and several other Re●entments of the two last , are supprest by their publick Interests and Engagements : What those of the Bishop of Munster will be , I know not , nor what credit is to be given to the noise he makes . I hear the States will this week fall into the consideration of giving him some satisfaction about the Tussle of the Countess of Benthem , and the Duties levyed by them upon his Boats of Provisions passing through the Princess of Ostrizes Country , which I am sure you have heard of some Months since , in the common papers of Occuriences , and which are the only pretences he can have for breaking a Peace made at our Coast , and warranted by almost all the Princes of the Empire . Yet it is agreed , the Bishop has so far proceeded in his Levies of late , that he is able to bring 13 or 14 thousand Men into the Field , though the greatest part is of his own peasants . However , these Alarms have not yet prevail'd with the States , to make the Recruits so long spoken of , nor will , I believe , unless the danger grows nearer . The Letters this Post from Madrid , bring no very good account of the Disorders between the Queen and Don Iohn , but say , the last was resolv'd to come to Madrid in a few days , if all was not accorded , so as by next Post , some issue is expected . From Poland we are assured , that Senate has been forced by the Equestrian Order , to pass a Deeree for Exclusion of the Prince of Condè , and with so much heat , that one Person who had the confidence to speak for him , escaped very hardly with his Life ; so as the Candidates are ●ow but two , and the last Letters from Warsaw , pretended not to judge which way the balance inclines , but seem to apprehend , least the Assembly may fall into some great Disorders , and break up without any Election . I received Letters this Morning from the Baron Bonstetten , who assures me of the Cantons having been much satisfied with the Communication of my Letters to him , Qu' a la diete de Seigniors a Baden , Ils l●y donneront une responce , ●t qu' ils sont tous a s●its incliner a tesmoigner leurs respects a sa Majestè en tout sort des rencontres , which is all his Letter brings me , referring me for other particulars , to the correspondent given him here by Monsieur de Witt , who tells me , that he assures them very positively , the Cantons of Baden , Berne , Lucerne , Solerne , and two more , are disposed to enter into the Tripple Alliance , and that a Spanish Envoy was arrived there with Money , to invite the seven lesser Cantons : So that upon the whole , he gives great hopes of that strength being added to the Alliance , which if it should happen , would so surround France on all sides , that I suppose they might thereby be induced to leave the World some time in quiet . I hold my Resolutions of going to Amsterdam , and making my attempt there towards the issue of our Marine Affairs , but would be very glad , first to see your ▪ thoughts upon the overture made by Monsieur Van Benninghen concerning Macassar . I am always as becomes me , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XLI . Hague , Iuly 5. S. N. 69 ▪ SIR , HAving not been able to return from Amsterdam , so quietly nor so speedily as I went , by reason of the undeniable invitations I received from the Towns of Harlem and Leyden ; I am return'd only in time , to acknowledge a Letter I met of yours here the 18th past , with an enclosed paper of Arguments , in both the points of the East-Indies and Surinam , which I shall not fail to make the best use of I can . I have had reason to believe , from my Reception in the several Towns , and Conversation with their chief Magistrates , that they all understand their interest in our Alliances , as they ought , and value it as it deserves , having had it upon all occasions , exprest to me by them all equally in their Discourses : But in other Demonstrations , more by the Town of Harlem , ( who are the most averse to the Princes interest ) then the rest ; and whose meeting me with all the Militia of their Town in great Gallantry , and with great expense of powder , as I hear , was taken ill by the other Towns , as an excess they ought not to have made upon any Princes Arrival , without having it first concerted by the States of Holland . I thank God , the trouble of this Journey is is well over , by which the chief thing I have learnt , is , that when they are Drunk , and when they are Sober , they seem still of a mind , in what concerns us and our Alliance . I left them at Amsterdam , in the same mind you are in your Letter , that 't is time to make an end of this Marine business , and Monsieur Van Benniaghen assur'd me , that upon his coming to Town here next week , he would to his utmost endeavour it , and that in the business of Macassar , we should have Satisfaction . For the General Article , I can yet Discover no disposition to it , unless it should be with such Restrictions , as I doubt will not answer our Merchants ends ; as for Example , in that of Trading with Nations not in Subjection , they say 't is a thing of so common Right , that we have no reason to demand any particular Article , but if such a thing be adjusted , it must be with a Clause , that it shall not be adjudged to prejudice any Rights , that one or other may have acquired by their Arms , or by Treaties with any Princes or People in those parts . You can best judge , whether this be what our Merchants mean. For my part , I am very confident that these here mean no such thing , as to endeavour our exclusion from the Trade of the Indies , nor to deny us the Redress of any particular injuries we can complain of ; and that if we desired Orders to their Officers in the Indies to make no Innovations , which may be to our prejudice , but to carry all matters there that concerns us , in the most friendly manner that has been used between the Nations , we should not be denyed them , though they are so stanch upon this General Article ; believing it will be made the ground of future demands , which we will not now specifie : And all this Opinion of mine , is not raised by the professions they make , nor by Monsieur Van Benninghen's protesting , they are so far from doing us injuries , that they tremble at the very thoughts of it , and a great deal more of that kind ; but it comes from my belief , that they are a State which very well understands their own Interests , and knows they can never take any good measures , but with us ; and that if necessity drives them to any other , they are such as must fail , and ruine them at last . I am always , SIR , Your most Obedient , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XLII . Hague , Iuly 9. S. N. 69. My Lord , I ask your Lordships pardon , for not acknowledging by the last Post , one of Iune 18 , which was then newly come to my hands , with an enclosed for the Prince of Tuscany , which I find was very welcome to him , by one I received yesterday from Monsieur Castilioni . We have now some reason to believe , the 200 Dollars from Spain will at length appear ; for besides the assurance given me of it by the Spanish Agent at Amsterdam , and since by the Ambassador here , I have had one Coymans a Merchant with me , who is the chief of the Partners that have contracted in Spain , for remitting that Money ; and who assures me , that he had News by the last Spanish Post , of the Contracts being perfected by his Correspondent there , with the Spanish Ministers , and that they were Negotiating likewise with them , for remitting the two following Terms as they should grow due ; and he says we are not like to attend the Arrival of the Plate , which is to be Imbarkt at Cadiz , for all that , is to run upon the Merchants hazard , who by the Contract , are upon Receipt of the value there , to draw Bills upon these of Amsterdam , payable at Sight . So as I hope there will soon be an end of this long business . As for the Concert , subsequent to the Guaranty , I hope it is in such a posture , as his Majesty will be pleased with ; for upon my last Conference with the Swedish Minister , since my last return from Amsterdam , we agreed , that we would neither of us begin the motion of it any further ; that if I were prest to it either by Spain or Sweden , I should say , his Majesty was content to enter into it , when ever the Crown of Sweden were so too ; that if by either of the said parties , the Swedish Ministers shall be Sollicited , they shall Answer , that they are ready to enter into it , when ever either Spain or Holland shall propose the ways of assuring the Monthly Subsidies designed them , in case of a War breaking out , for as for those spoken of in time of Peace , I think the pretence will cease . I send your Lordship enclosed , all the fruits of my troublesom Journey to Amsterdam , and of my Conferences since with Monsieur de Witt , and Van Benninghen : For having absolutely declared , that the Restitution of our Trade at Macassar , would not serve turn , without a General Article ; they at length consented there should be one , which they pretend is pursuant to the meaning exprest by our Ministers , though not by our Merchants , which is , that nothing desired , should tend to the breaking the former Usages and Establishments , but only to prevent new injuries , especially since we have given them no other particular Instances , as they say , of our Complaints , besides this of Macassar . The enclosed form of all the additional Articles , is what they will consent to . The last about Trade with free Nations , goes in Latin , to avoid the Translation which the other must undergo upon perfecting the Treaty : They pretend the latter part of the Article , which says , Illibata maneant quae in usu commerciorum , armorum jure aut pactorum vi acquisita sunt , secures us in any place where our Trade is already Establisht , from Injuries either by Treaties or Forts . With all this , I have not exprest any Satisfaction , further then my promises of Transmitting all for his Majesties Judgment and Resolution : I only struck out the word they much insisted upon , after Gentibus liberis , which were , Non dependentibus , as capable of any Interpretation , and so have left the Definition of gentes liberae , as strict as we our selves desired it . I understood likewise by our Conference , and their Proposition yesterday ; that the words before mentioned should run ; Illibata maneant quae usu commerciorum , armorum , &c. and not in usu ; as they have put it in the enclosed , which comes but just now to my hands ; and I think it would be stronger for us , to have that preserv'd untoucht , which we have acquired , usu commerciorum , as well as armorum jure , or pactorum vi . If you can content your Merchants with the Treaty , as it runs here , you may have it perfected , and your Trade at Macassar and factories restored , which I think I may say considently , though Monsieur de Witt , and Van Benninghen , only promise their endeavours in it , and would make us believe , 't is something very extraordinary they do for his Majesties Satisfaction , that those of the East-India Company would sooner part with a Million of Money , then yield the 2d Article about defining a Besieged place ; which they say , will end all further Conquests of theirs in the Indies , since they cannot Besiege them by Land , and they may be relieved by Sea. They say besides , that the Restitution of Macassar , will be such a President for Redress of any Injuries that we can ever receive , and justly complain of , that it imports much more then any General Article could have done without it ; of all which , I leave the Judgment before you . Letters this day from the Baron de Bonstetten , give great appearance of the Switzers Aversion to engage in the French Interest , and assure the Spanish Ministers , of their being provided with Money , which together with their Inclinations , he thinks , may make some change in their Counsels , to the advantage of those ends proposed by the Tripple Alliance . We hear France is very ill satisfied with the late Revolution in Poland , and with Don Iohn's growing so powerful in their Neighbourhood . Having none of Mr. Secretary's now to answer , with the Debt I was in to your Lordship , has excused his trouble this Post , and been the occasion of drawing it upon your Lordship , from , My Lord , Your Lordships most Faithful , and most Humble Servant . VV. Temple ▪ LETTER XLIII . Hague , Iuly 19. S. N. 69. SIR , THE contrary Winds have kept yours of the 26th past , some days longer upon the way , then is usual in this Season ; but I shall not fail to Morrow , to deliver his Majesties Letter to the States , which is , as you observe , in a Style which shows that the King demands nothing but his Right , and seeks no occasions of unkindness , or weakning his Alliance with this State , as some were apt to believe . Monsieur de Witt seem'd satisfied in a great measure , with the last paper you sent me over , of Replies to their Arguments upon the business of Surinam , and says , the difficulty in Colonel Willoughby's case , must be cleared by matter of Fact ; for if the Slaves he took away , were only such as belonged to his own Person , he allows he had right to do it ; but not if they belong'd to any of the Works upon the Colony , of which in that case , he says , they were apart , and so ought to be left in the State it was found at the notice of the Peace . I am extream glad , his Majesty has made so fair and distinct a Demand by way of Letter , which takes it off from my hands , though I shall not omit all my endeavours among the Ministers , to procure a good Answer to it ; which the Satisfaction offer'd , in case of any breach of Articles by Colonel Willoughby , should methinks very much advance . I am glad to find you are of the Opinion , that their restoring us to Macassar , will signifie something towards defending us from any future injuries by Treaties or Forts ; and this I can assure you , that tho' Monsieur de Witt desends the Action upon its being done in time of War , and thereby would make the Restitution pass rather for an Act of Friendship and Compliance , then of Justice ; yet I have not heard him , or any else among them , offer to justifie any such Action , that should be done in time of Peace ; and where we had a Trade establisht by preceding Contracts . And by all I can observe here , I do not believe , we are likely to be much troubled about any Accidents likely to happen upon their future Conquests in those parts , for all the prudent Men among them , confess they have more already in their hands , then they can manage with so small a Stock of Men , as their Government consists of , which will be ever a hinderance to any great Enlargements by Conquest or Colonies , in any part of the World. Besides , the Trade of the East-India is now grown so large , and so open , that 't is almost impossible those Commodities should not grow to be arrant Drugs , in five or six years time ! For the Riches of the Trade formerly grew by the dearness , and that by the scarcity of the Commodities brought from thence : Whereas now the Dutch Company , as I am assured , have left behind them in their Stores , full as much as they have brought away this year ; and yet 't is a question among the Merchants , whether they have not brought enough to glut the Market , while besides us and Portugal , now of late Sweden , Denmark , and Hamburgh , as well as France , are falling into the Trade . At least I was assured at Amsterdam , that the East-India Actions ( as the several Shares are call'd ) fell twenty in the hundred , even after the News of their Fleets being safe , and near their Arrival . But these are only my Conjectures , from the lights I can gather in various Conversation , and ought not to hinder us in the pursuit of our Rights , or prevention of any injuries we have reason to apprehend . I sent my Lord Arlington last Post , the Result of their late Conferences with me upon this matter , in the Restitution of Macassar , and the projects of a General Article , upon which I can proceed no further , till I receive new Directions from you . I hope the matters of the Tripple Alliance , will prove firm by the sudden payment of the Swedish Subsidies ; but by my last Conference with the Spanish Ambassador , and Monsieur Mareschall , I fear I shall be prest again upon the point of the concert . For the Spanish Ambassador offers an Act for securing 30 M. of Crowns a Month to the Swedes during a War , if it breaks out ; and the Swedish Ministers I find , expect from us and Holland , a promise of paying them the other 30 M. in that case , whilst Spain engages , ( as they are content ) to Reimburse us . What Holland will resolve to do in this case , without a Hypotheque , as they have hitherto insisted , I know not yet ; If they refuse , I am not like to be prest upon any answer ; but if they should consent , it will be necessary for me to know his Majesties pleasure . So soon as this matter ends , Monsieur Mareschall has orders to go to the Prince of Lunenburgh , to make them an Invitation from the Swedish Crown , conformable to that which has already been made them by his Majesty , and this State , which shews the Disposition of that Crown , to be both steddy and forward towards the ends of our Alliance ; and I think his Majesty may be confident in this present Conjuncture , they will keep close to the measures that shall be taken by him in the Publick Concernments of Christendom . I am always , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER ▪ XLIV . Hague , Iuly 23. S. N. 69. SIR , I am sorry to find by yours of Iuly 6th , as well as by a latter from my Lord Arlington , that all my endeavours towards an issue in the East-India business , are like to be never the nearer it ; For I very much doubt , if the words you mention , which they put in for security against our grounding Innovations , in the course of that Trasick upon this Article , ( though we have not yet pretended it , as I remember ) should be left out , it would but encrease their Suspicions , and leave the matter where it was . But I think the best will be , rather to make a new Project , the fairest our Merchants can afford ; and such an one , as can leave nothing that is past in dispute : But if we find any Grievances already practised , besides Macassar , to Name them , and demand Redress . This I think will be better , then to accept their Article , and strike out those words ( for the reason aforementioned ) though they often argue , that the desire coming wholly from us , and no Nation pretending right to force another to a new Treaty , the wording of the Article ought to be allowed them . I wish some of our East-India Merchants had been at our Conferences ; for I will be bound to say , this thing has been debated to the very Grave , and nothing left that can be said in it , though we pretend on either side , not to be understood aright in it , what we would have . But that you may once for all , know what they go upon here , to the end of grounding your Proposition the better ; I will tell you ; First , that they are firmly perswaded , our Merchants chief aim in this Article , is to give occasions of entring into new disputes with them , when they shall see a good Conjuncture , even upon things establisht by long use , and mutual practise in the Indies ; and against which , they will not now put in their Exceptions , and Complaints . And therefore I do not think they will ever admit an Article , which shall be understood to alter the present state of things there , ( since they offer , if there be any occasion , to do that upon our Complaints and Instances in the particulars ) but only to prevent Innovations for the future , contrary to what has been , or is now practised by mutual consent or allowance . As for Example , they will not admit of an Article , which shall import freedom of Commerce with all free Nations , unlimited by the use Establisht , and the Treaties acquired , unless first we tell them , what those Nations are which we count free , and where notwithstanding we are by the Dutch , forbidden to Trade ; for they say , the nature of Subjection is so various , especially in those Countries , that upon such an Article , we may hereafter pretend to Trade in many places , where we never thought or offer'd at it before . And the same in point of Forts and Passes too . That which Monsieur Van Benninghen went upon , for a foundation in the offer of this Article ; was , first that we desir'd no Innovation in the Ancient usual and mutual practice of Commerce in the Indies , but rather the hindring any such Innovations , that may be offer'd by them . Secondly , That we pretended not by it a Reddress of Injuries , already offer'd against such practise , but a prevention of them for the future , and of the jealousies we had conceived of their intentions . And this they reckon upon , because they have from the beginning , ever desir'd instances of our Grievances , to the end they might redress the particulars , and understand the general aim ; but we have not thought fit to give them any besides that of Macassar , in which they are ready to do us reason . They ground it besides , upon the several Discourses I have held them , upon those two points , wherein I am sure I have never gone farther , then what I received from my Lord Keeper , my Lord Arlington or your self , in your Letters that I have by me . And upon this Subject , I confess it is new to me , what you say in your last ; that to put in that Clause , Illibat ● maneant quae in usu commercii , armorum vi , aut pactorum jure acquisita sunt , would confirm upon us , not only all the injuries we have complain'd of by Forts and Passes , but even of Treaties too ; and that of Macassar , which they offer to Abrogate . Now I must confess , I remember not any of those particular injuries we have complained of , or desir'd Redress in , besides that of Macassar . But very well , that after my pressing several times for such instances , the Merchants sent me a large paper , with very many Recapitulations of what had been , and of what might be , to which the Dutch replyed , that they only raked into former times and actions that had been debated , and ended in former Treaties , and desired to know of us , which of those instances we thought appliable to the present question : To which I received an Answer , that what we desired , was more for prevention , than remedies : And in short , have not been furnisht with other particular Instances , than of Cochin and Cananor , which the Dutch say was wholly of a different nature , and regulated by the Article , that defines a besieged place . And now you have all before you , that I can think to put you in mind off , I should be glad to receive , as I said before , the fairest Proposition our Merchants can afford of their own ( for I am sure it will never be ended by any from hence ) and if I fail of their consent here to it , I think it will be time for me to despair of it ; and I am very glad that upon that Subject , you talk of bringing it to a meeting of Commissioners , which is all the way I know will be left , besides breaking it off unkindly ; the effects of which I doubt not , but both sides understand , and will cast up before they come to it . I must Rectifie one thing , which I think you have not right understood me in ; which is , that by such an Article as they propose , we should buy the Abrogation of their Treaty at Macassar too dear , establishing at the same time , a right of doing the same against us for ever . For the Article cannot be understood to establish future Treaties , but only the Past. Nor do the Dutch impose the Article , as a price of what we demand at Macassar , but are willing to Re-establish us there , without any such Article at all , but finishing the Treaty upon those already agreed to . The illness of the King of Spain is again much spoken off here , though not owned by the Spanish Ambassadors . The Zealanders having sent the Ratification of the last Agreement with their Province , the Prince expects very shortly , to enter into the Council of State. The Swedish Subsidies are every day expected , and I believe will not fail in a very little time . I shall fail at no time of being , SIR , Your most Obedient , Humble Servant . W. Temple . LETTER XLV . Hague , Iuly 30. S ▪ N. 69. SIR , THis last Post brought me yours of the 13th , with his Majesties pleasure concerning the Guaranty , and Concert of Forces ; which you will find by my late Letters , to have perfectly agreed with all I had before Transacted in those matters . Spain has the good luck here at this time , that though we see none of their Money , yet we believe it sure ; and thereupon the Swedish Ministers seem better contented , than we had reason to expect , after so long delays . For the concert , I suppose it must sleep a while , till some noise from France awake it ; for Spain seems not at all inclin'd to treat with the Dutch , about the Engagement of the places in Geldre , for securing the Money to be paid to the Swedes , and the Dutch without such security , will not engage in any kind , to advance any part of the Swedish Subsidies , unless it be joyntly with his Majesty . I have spoken this very day with Monsieur de Witt , about the business of Surinam ; who tells me , the Kings last Letter was put into Commissioners hands , who have not yet made their Report upon it , by reason of the States of Holland sitting till within these two or three days In the mean time he desires much to see the Answer , you promise to his last Paper , which I find they think here , grounded upon unanswerable Reasons ; and therefore finding this business drawn into slow Expostulations , I have cast about for another way of ending it , by entring into new Discourses about our buying that Colony of the Zealanders ; which I mentioned to my Lord Keeper several Months since , and had then commands from his Lordship , not to let the Overture fall ; But the hand it was then in , gave me no encouragement to pursue it ; and I had some hopes the matter in dispute , would come to some issue between us . Since the heat and difficulty of our Debates , I have put another upon the proposal , who tells me this day , he has had Letters from the principal Persons in that Province , to make him confident of a good disposition towards it there , in case his Majesty did think fit , and will come to any reasonable Terms : But before I proceeded any further in this matter , I thought sit to acquaint you with it , that I might know your thoughts upon it , and direct my self by them : In the mean time this private Overture shall not hinder my pursuit of the publick satisfaction we demand , with all the earnestness I can , though I see nothing yet to make me confident of Success , in the manner and time we expect . I attend your Proposals on the Marine Treaty , and am still of Opinion , that they will go very far here to satisfie us in an Article which will cut off Disputes , by deciding things particularly described ; but will never be brought to conclude one , which by general words may draw on new Disputes or Pretentions , and break into their present Establishments , and course of Trafick ; before we have made them understand by instances , what the cases are , we find our selves aggriev'd in . I am always as becomes me , SIR , Your most Faithful , Humble Servant , W. Temple . LETTER XLVI . Hague , Aug. 7. S. N. 69. SIR , I was extream glad to find by yours of the 20th past , that you understood so perfectly , what I had represented to you of their intentions here as to the Marine Article ; that is , the General Article to secure us from all injuries by any new practises to disturb our Trade , and for any present injuries we lie under , they will relieve us upon our instances in particular , as now in that of Macassar ; and so in any other , wherein we shall have the Justice on our side , which was so directly my meaning , and theirs as I understood it , that I have repeated it in your own words ; and am pretty confident , if you keep close to that Method , we shall yet see this business come to an issue : Though Monsieur de Witt wishes often , the words last sent from the Town of Amsterdam , might be accepted ; because he says , they are so jealous of our implicite meaning ▪ and reach at something that may make a general Breach upon their past Establishments , that every new word , gives them new and unnecessary Reflections , at least in his Opinion ; for he often says , that he is confident he should have ended this business with me in two hours . I cannot yet make any further step in the business of Surinam , the State reserving their Final considerations upon it , in answer to his Majesties last Letter , till the Deputies of Zealands Arrival , which was expected ten days since ; but has been hindered by the Tumult happened in the Town of Terveer , upon occasion of their protecting L'abadie , a true Fanatick Preacher , against the positive Orders of the States for his Banishment , having gather'd a Congregation of 5 or 600 People in that Island , who are it seems more at his Devotion , then at the States : But we look for the Deputies every day , and then I shall press this matter to a sudden issue , one way or other . In the mean time Monsieur de Witt desires to see the Answers promised to his last Writing , not he says , that they shall make any difficulty to perform the Articles given to the Colony , as they understand to be the Genuine sense of them ; but because he thinks the reasons in those Papers so clear , that his Majesty will accept of what they do upon his instances in it , as a Respect and Compliance to his Majesty , and not as a thing of Right , which they owe to any other , but those which are now their own Subjects . He was with me on Sunday , upon a message of formal Thanks from the States to me , for the good issue I had brought the Portugal Treaty to , which is now Signed ; and he said , would have hardly ever been brought to an end , without the peremptory Sentence I gave in it : I told him , I was glad I could do my Friends business here , but sorry I could not do my own ; and that ever since I came last over , considering what had past between Spain and Sweden , I was just like a man that could get Children abroad , and none at home , and took that occasion , to fall into all the complaints , that could be of my hard fortune : That having finisht a Treaty of the greatest Importance with them in five days before , I could not end any one business with them now , in ten Months . He comforted me all he could , with the assurance of the States doing all that was possible for his Majesties satisfaction , even beyond Reason , where the prejudices and consequences were not too great , I wish I see the proofs of it . I have at present the consolation , to see the other Ambassadors more unsatisfied than I am , for the Spanish is in a Rage , and I doubt with some reason , at their having seized in Zealand 8 or 900 pounds , which the Constable sent thither t'other day , to be laid out in the Equipage of three Spanish Men of War , which had been brought in thither by way of Reprizal , for some Merchant Ships pretended to have been seized in Spain : And besides , he is very angry that they will not yet here understand the French Consiscation of the Spanish Subjects Estates within their quarters , to be a contravention of the Peace . The French Ambassador is unsatisfied in the difficulties made here upon the French Settlement of the Post through Flanders , which are come to that pass , that for a fortnight past , no Letters come or go between this and France , but by Express . The truth is , what has past in this matter , makes a very pleasant Story . Monsieur Lovois makes a late agreement with Count Taxis for carrying all French Letters by Lisle , in stead of Brussels , and those in this Country by French Posts , and twice a week , without taking any notice of these People in the matter , till all was done , and then sends a Monsieur hither , who told the Ministers , that Monseigneur de Louvois l'avoit envoyè pour voir Messieurs les Estates , et leur dire l'accord qu' il avoit fait avec le Comte Taxis ; and how they should receive no manner of prejudice by it , &c. The States refer'd it to Monsieur Van Benninghen , with some other Commissioners , who were pursued every day , for three or four days together , by this Envoy , with the necessity of dispatching him immediately , Car Monseigneur de Louvois l'avoit ordon●è de faire tout l' expedition possible , while Monsieur Van Benninghen told him , they had sent to inform themselves in this business , of the Merchants , and such other things . But at last being at no rest , when he prest for an Answer , he askt him , Monsieur , Est ti la premiere fois que vous avez estè en Hollande ? the Frenchman said , yes , Et bien , dit Mr. V. Benninghen , C'est un fort beau pais , et les estrangers viennent touts les jours le voir par curiositè : Nos villes sont belles et assez près l●une de l'autre ; Vous ferez bien de vous promener huit ou dix jours ; ●car en ce temps vous les verrez toutes , et nous se rons peut estre informèz en vostre affaire . The Frenchman made a short Leg , and went out , and told all his Friends , Que Monsieur V. Benninghen , l'avoit envoyè promener ▪ and so he would be gone ; and if they would have their Letters , they should send for them , and so went his way . Monsieur de Witt finding the Amsterdam Merchants much unsatisfied with this new Order of Monsieur Lovois in the Packets , and resolv'd among other things , against having their Letters twice a week , sent to know of them , who would be most prejudiced by the interruption of the Posts , the Merchants of these Countries , or those of Paris ? they answer'd those of Paris : Upon which he advis'd them , de tenir firme , and so the matter lies without any correspondence going . I tell you this Story , for want of something better , and likewise because it gives you quelques traits of the Negotiations with these People , and of the way of their two chief Ministers . I kiss your hands , and am , SIR , Your most Obedient , Humble Servant , VV. Temple . LETTER XLVII . Hague , April 14th , N. S. 1679. I understand that Mr. d'Avaux , hath again by a late Memorial , press'd the Bishop of Liege's concern in the Magistracy of Mastreicht ; but I do not hear that the States have yet given him any Answer . I find that the Imperial and Danish Ministers here , are inclin'd to believe , that the French Equipage is design'd against England , and that , from information which they both have , but particularly the latter ; that the Fleet is Victuall'd but for six Weeks , which is too little for an Expedition into the Baltick , and that the Ships are of the greater Rates , and such as cannot enter into Kattegat . They make an Argument besides , of the Garrisons which came out of the evacuated Spanish Towns , being all disposed about Dunkirk and Graveline , and suppose the French King's Journey that way , finding no preparations made for it in Alsatia , or the Neighbouring parts . The Elector of Brandenburgh having sent some Privateers into the Elbe , to satisfie himself for quarters assigned him upon Hamburg , of which the D. of Zell having had the benefit , hath undertaken to discharge them . That D. hath written to the States , to complain , that whereas he hath by their Example and Desire of the publick quiet , made his Peace , and included the Town of Hamburg in it ; their Subjects notwithstanding taking Forreign Commissions , disturb the Commerce of that Town , which he desires they will give effectual orders to prevent . I hear that the Bishop of Munster by his Treaty with Sweden , is to retain Wildshausen , till the Swedes have paid him 100000 Rixdollars in the Hamburg Bank , and the possession besides , of all other places to be restored , till the Swedes are able to put sufficient Garrisons into them . The Princess of Orange having had a sit of her Ague on Wednesday , but much gentler then the former ones , was well and chearful all yesterday , and this morning ; but towards one this Afternoon , the cold fit came upon her again : But having not lasted above a quarter of an hour , and with little shaking , she was fallen a sleep with the beginning of the hot fit . Their R. Highnesses are expected here this night , or too morrow , upon ▪ a visit to the Princess . The Prince is also expected to morrow . Monsieur Odijke arriv'd last night at this place . The Mareschal d'Estrades returned on Wednesday from Amsterdam , towards Nimmegen . Some give out here , that the design of his Journey was to make a Match for his Grandson , with a very rich Fortune , Daughter to a Merchant there . LETTER XLVIII . Hague , April 11th , N. S. 1679. SIR , I am here to acknowledge several successive favours from you , the last being of the 28th past ; but I must withal let you know , that the Superscription both of that , and another before of the 14th , was misplaced to me , the Letters being designed to Monsieur Chaumont , who I suppose , hath those you intended for me , which I shall claim of him , and send him his for them . I cannot but luy to heart , the unhappy constitution of Affairs in England , and should be extreamly glad , if you could think fit to give me your Opinion , whether the matter of my Lord Treasurers ' , to Mr. Mountague , be the chief ground of the offence taken by the Commons against him . Here are Reports , I know not what to make of , that his Royal Highness is designing to remove from Brassels to Breda . I have nothing of it from Sir R. Bulstrode , or other hands ( from which I have Letters ) about his Highness . Whatever his usage be , or is like to prove , We believe the D. of Villa Hermosa's stay at Ghent , is for the return of an Express he hath sent to Madrid for instructions , which will determine it . I am with Truth and Respect , SIR , Your most Humble , and Faithful Servant , R. Meredith . LETTER XLIX . Nimeguen , Feb. 1st . S. N. 1677. MY last Letters from England tell me , that it hath been confidently reported at my Lord Treasurer's Table , that I am dead ; which Report I observe , unluckily to happen about the end of a quarter ; and it is much , that it should be so long before they are in the right , when I consider my great Age , my little Health , my being put unnecessarily upon a long Winter's Journey , into a very cold Country , where I have been separated from my Baggage , during the greatest part of a very hard Winter , by the Ice ; and at last cannot cover my Head under a 1000 l. by the year : To all which , I may truly add , that I have spent 7000 l. in this Imployment of my own Money 's , or rather my Wives and Childrens . And to compleat all , when Sir Ellis Leighton was convicted of Misdemeanors , and would have cast some of his faults upon me : The Malice of some Men to me have been so deep , or their Capacities so shallow , as to believe , or pretend to believe a Criminal in his own Case , to the prejudice of an innocent Man. I hear likewise , that his Majesty is inform'd , that he ( Sir Ellis Leighton ) hath made bargains in France in my Name , and with my Knowledge , then which nothing is more false , and doth touch me in a very tender part : And now I leave it to your consideration , whether there be much need of poyson or poignards , to dispatch a poor old Man thus handled . I had almost forgot to tell you , that I have been forced to pawn my Plate for 500 l. and do owe little less in this Town ; so that if my Lord Treasurer would dispatch my extraordinaries , and my 5 th quarter , he would do nothing contrary to his Majesties Honour and Service , in my poor Opinion : I humbly beseech you to do me the favour , to mind his Lordship of it ; and to pardon this Trouble , from him that is with much deference and respect , Honour'd Sir , Your most Humble , and most Obedient Servant , J. Berkley . FINIS .