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In Answer to the Vindication of the Lord-Mayor , Court of Aldermen , and Common-Council . LONDON , Printed in the Year MDCXCV . The Rights and Authority of the Commons of the City of London in their Common Hall assembled , Particularly in the Choice and Discharge of their Sheriffs , asserted and cleared . In Answer to the Vindication of the Lord-Mayor , Court of Aldermen , and Common-Council . IF the present Controversy in the City of London be unhappy , and ill-tim'd ; the blame of continuing , if not of raising it , must fall upon that Side , which shall appear to have been in the wrong . But since such a Contest is begun , in some Respects the present Time may be thought propitious , for bringing it to a fair Decision . For , 1. There is the less Danger in it , because it happens chiefly among Men united in the same Cause and Common Interest ; who have always stood up for the Rights of the City , and are likely to manage the Question , who are principally entrusted with the Care of its Rights , without Animosities ; and quietly to submit to Authority , or Conviction . 2. The Learning and Integrity of the present Judges , and the Independency of their Places , assure the right Side of Justice . 3. If it could be imagin'd , that they would be influenc'd by the Court : It is an happiness that there is no colour to suspect , that our present Ministry should interpose to the Prejudice of either's Right . And as no Prince , who is not truly popular himself , can be pleas'd to have Power lodg'd in any great Body of his People ; the Common Hall could not , in any Reign but this , since Queen Elizabeth's , have expected to bring on their Cause without great Disadvantage . And certain it is , there never was so great a Body of Men , of more steady Loyalty to their Prince , than this Common Hall is to his present Majesty King William . Yet I cannot but hope , that this Controversy may be ended , without recourse to Westminster-Hall , or the last resort to Parliament . For to me it seems , there wants nothing to the quieting the Controversy , but the setting it in a true Light : Which I shall endeavour to do with that faithfulness and impartiality , which becomes a constant Servant to Truth , and the Old English Liberties . But I must premise , that tho the Author of the pretended modest Essay , runs the Dispute as high as if the Common-Council and Common-Hall , were like Rome and Carthage ; The sole Point now in Question is , Whether the Lord-Mayor , and Court of Aldermen , by themselves , or in conjunction with the Common-Council , as now composed or acting , have rightful Power to discharge any Person , whom the Citizens assembled in Common-Hall have chosen Sheriff ; and to exempt him , or others , from the Service , for a Year , or Years to come ? Bating what relates to the higher Controversy , he uses but three Topicks to justify the defeating , or vacating the Election of the Common-Hall . I. The Resolution of the Judges , 40 & 41 Eliz. II. By-Laws . III. Custom . Every one of which I shall shew to be fully against him : and that both such By-Laws and Custom , unless of another Nature than is or can be pretended , would be absolutely void . I. The Resolution of the Judges is no more in Substance than this ; That tho the Choice of Officers in Cities and Towns incorporated by Charters , be granted to Mayor and Commonalty , or the like ; yet antient and usual Elections , by a certain select Number , are warrantable , by reason of By-Laws , made to avoid popular Confusions ; by virtue of a Power of making By-Laws given by the Charters . And that tho such By-Laws cannot be found , they shall be presum'd : and that this was by common Assent , because of such especial manner of antient and continual Election . And according to this Resolution , the Elections are said to have been in the City of London . But since the Common-Council do not pretend to chuse the Sheriffs , otherwise than as part of the Common-Hall , which has long been in possession of this Right ; it is evident , that the Resolution of the Judges is so far from proving the pretended Authority of the Common-Council , to set aside Elections made by the greater Body of the City ; that it manifests the illegality of the Attempt : since , according to this Resolution , the Common-Hall is , to this Purpose at least , not only the fullest , but the truest Representative or the Body of Citizens ; who , according to Grotius his Distinction , are the Common Subject of this Power , while their Representatives assembled in Common-Hall , are the Proper Subject by which it is exercised . And if it were admitted , that an Authority to make this Power useless , or to weary them out of it , were by some By-Law given to the Common-Council as now composed ; or that the Custom has so long been on their Side , that such a By-Law is now to be presumed ; yet it is very evident , that there is nothing to warrant it in that Resolution . For besides , that , as I have observed already , it only concerned Elections : 1. The Case is only of such Provisions as have been made , or are presumable to have been made , to avoid popular Confusions : which the Common-Council may , if they please , urge , for the setting aside the Usage for Elections in Common-Hall : But then they must consider , that an Arbitrary Court would be sure to fight them with their own Weapon , and , with parity of Reason , to set them aside . And I submit it to their calm Consideration , whether the indefeazibleness of Elections , without the Consent of those who made them ; or the defeating them at the Pleasure of others , and from time to time requiring a new Choice , be the most likely to occasion popular Confusions ? 2. The Case put is only of Corporations by Charter , and deriving their Power of making By-Laws from such Charters ; in most , if not all of which , that Power is by the Charters lodg'd in a select ●umber there appointed . When , as I shall shew , the Citizens of London were a Body Politick , with Power of making Laws for the Welfare of the City ; and had the ●hoice of their Portreve , since called Mayor , and of the Sheriff of their ●ity , by Prescription , before they had any Charter : Which if they had , tho the Sheriffwick of Middlesex were annex'd to London by Charter ; that would fall under the same Government , and be subject to an Authority independent on any Charter ; especially if such Annexation has been before time of memory , and confirmed by Acts of Parliament . And further yet , if it will appear , that no Charter to the City of London about making By-Laws , appoints any select Number for the exercice of this Power ; it will if possible be more evident , that the Resolution of the Judges has nothing to support the Authority claim'd by the present Common-Council . However it must be remember'd , that the Resolution says , Such especial manner of antient and continual Election , could not begin without common Assent . Since therefore common Assent has plac'd the Election of Sheriffs in the Common-Hall ; it will lie upon the other Side to shew at least the Presumption of common Assent , to place the Discharge in the Common-Council . And they must not for this urge any Act of Common-Council as Authoritative in it self . 2. I do not find that the Vindicator pretends , that the Custom for the Mayor and Aldermen by themselves , or in conjunction with the Common-Council , to discharge a Person chosen Sheriff by the Common-Hall , is so antient , that a By-Law to warrant it , made by the Common-Council as now acting , much less by the Common-Hall , is to be presumed . But he insists upon Positive By-Laws made in the Common-Council , for their excusing any Persons duly chosen , by admitting them to Fine for one Year . This he supposes to have been established by several Acts of Common-Council , one of which he pretends to have transcribed . But certainly no Act ever began with [ and ] as his Transcript does : And it is visible , that what he gives as the whole Act , 7 C. 1. is very lame and imperfect . Had he publish'd the beginning of it , the pretence of more Acts of Common-Council than that one , unless they be of very late and suspected Date , must have vanish'd . For tho , as may appear by comparing it with former Acts , it makes in great measure the same Provisions , and uses almost the same words with some of them , only altering the Penalties , and Values of Estates requir'd for a Qualification , with some other necessary Circumstances ; yet it in express Terms repeals all former Acts made upon that Subject . The Substance of what he is pleas'd to communicate , is this ; If any Freeman of the City , being duly chosen Sheriff , shall not personally appear before the Mayor and Aldermen , at their next Court , unless he have such reasonable Excuce as the Mayor and greater part of the Aldermen then present shall allow ; and there enter into Bond to take the Office upon him in Common-Hall , on Michaelmass Eve ; or shall openly refuse ; he shall forfeit as is there provided ; Unless he shall be duly discharged for want ☞ or defect of Ability in Wealth ; and shall nevertheless remain eligible yearly afterwards , as if he had never been chosen . Upon thus much of the Order it is observable ; 1. That the Excuce to be allowed by the Lord-Mayor and Aldermen , is not for not taking the Office upon him ; but for not attending at the next Court-Day ; and not entring into Bond before-hand , to oblige himself to take the Office upon him in Common-Hall . Now it is probable , that Men may have been out of Town , or detain'd by Sickness , or necessary Affairs , which hindred them from engaging at the next Court-Day to take the Office ; and yet they might appear in Common-Hall time enough to enter upon it . And therefore the Court of Aldermen might be Judges of the Reasonableness of the Excuce , for not engaging before-hand ; or at least not so soon as the Order in strictness requires : and yet there would be no Consequence from thence , That it is in their Power totally to excuse from holding . Further yet it will appear , That this of entring into Bond , was an additional Provision made 34 Eliz. and repeated 7 Car. 1. beyond what was in any former Order ; Nor was there any Custom in the City for entering into such Bond. This therefore being a Creature of Common-Council , might be left to the Discretions of the Mayor and Aldermen , without the least Prejudice to the Right of the Common-Hall . 2. The Excuce of which the Mayor and Aldermen are made Judges , is only such as is reasonable ; so that their Discretion is a legal Discretion : And if the Excuce be for not holding the Office , it is evident that no Excuce for that is to be allowed , unless it be want of sufficient Estate ; in which Case , only , the Party is dischargable by the Words of that Order . 3. Paying a Penalty is not properly any Excuce . 4. He is to be discharged duly ; the Order does not mention by whom : But this , as it will appear , ought to be by the Common-Hall ; either in express Terms , or by implication , in their proceeding to a new Choice . But for what Time the Discharge shall be , will , notwithstanding that Order , be absolutely at the Discretion of the Common-Hall . Some would infer from the Words , [ be shall be yearly eligible ] that the Person who is excused by the Mayor and Aldermen on paying his Fine , shall not be eligible till another Year . Whereas , 1. It must be remembred , that the Excuce of which they are made the Judges , is not from holding ; but tho he should hold , he is subject to the Penalty , if he does not in due time oblige himself to hold . 2. The [ yearly Eligible ] may be in every Year after that Order , when the Penalty should happen to be incurred . Accordingly , the Order speaks only of the Discharge of Persons to be chosen ; and without such an Interpretation as this of [ yearly ] , could not be taken to extend to Persons actually chosen . Or else it may be for every Year following his Default : according to the usual Entries , that such a Man was chosen Sheriff for the Year ensuing . Besides , by the express Words , the Party is Eligible , as if he had never been chosen : And therefore he must remain Eligible , as if he had never paid his Fine ; which follows the Choice . This will be yet more evident , if we compare this with the Act of Common-Council , 19 H. 8. repeated in Substance by that 34 Eliz. with only necessary Alterations ; and by this 7 Car. 1. For it will appear to have been the Intention of this , as well as of former Orders , as indeed it is of most Laws , to oblige Men to their Duty by exacting the Penalty : not to take the Penalty to excuse from their Duty ; much less thereby to exempt from Penalties , when the Offence shall be repeated . And it is observable , that the Order , 19 H. 8. has not the word [ Yearly ] , which gives colour to a Dispute ; it declaring , That such Person shall be Eligible , notwithstanding his paying the Penalty . 3. If there had been any intention of exempting the Offender for a Year , upon suffering the Penalty ; it would certainly have been in the Negative , that he should not be eligible till the next Year . Which , indeed , would have been no very wise Provision ; and , as will appear , directly contrary to the Preamble , and declar'd Intention of that very Order . But for certain , whatever Power may have been entrusted with the Common-Council ; they cannot , according to the known Rule of Law , set aside the City's common Law-Right of chusing any Person capacitated for the Service , without a Clause in the Negative ; that is to say , that they shall not chuse a Person , discharg'd by the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council , upon paying his Fine , till another Year . Tho , as it will appear , it signifies nothing to the Merits of the Cause , what the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council have done , for drawing to themselves Jurisdiction or Authority from a greater and higher Court in being , and full exercice of Authority , and of which they make but a small part ; yet what is call'd Argumentum ad Hominem , is never to be neglected . For to prove , that those very Arguments in which Men place their Strength , make directly against them , is to disarm , if not convince them . To this end it may be of Service to shew , what Provisions had formerly been made in this Matter : and what has been omitted by the Vindicator , out of the Order 7 C. 1. agreeing with those former Provisions . In the 24 th of E. 3. a publick Act or Ordinance had been made , which taking notice , That many sufficient Persons us'd to absent themselves out of the City to avoid the Office of Sheriff ; by means whereof Persons less sufficient were chosen thro their Default ; to the great Mischief of them , and to the Desolation of the City ; and so following to the great Jeopardy of the Franchises of the same : Disfranchises such Absenters , and allows of no Excuce , unless they swear with six Vouchers , that they did not absent themselves for that Purpose . This was manifestly made in Common-Hall : For one Evidence of which it is to be observ●d , that it was on the Feast of St. Matthew , which had been the usual Day for such Elections , till the Day was altered 19 H. 8. And it is observable , that tho the Common-Council 19 H. 8. as some would think , to colour their Authority to alter the Day and Penalty ; say it was ordain'd and establish'd by the Mayor , Aldermen , and Commons , in their Common-Council , 24 E. 3. yet it is plain it was the Common-Council of all those who assembled at that Day for the Election . And the Common-Council , 18 H. 8. voting that antient Act to be put in execution in the Case of one Hynde , and of all other such Offenders ; calls it , according to the Stile it had at the making , An Ordinance made by Walter Turk Mayor , Simon Franceys , and others , [ with the Assent of the whole City ] . It will further appear , that whatever Councils may , before the time of that old Act , have been summon'd to particular Purposes ; no Common-Council separate from them that used to assemble in the Common-Hall , was ever settled as a standing Council , of any considerable Authority , before that time . This publick Act of the whole City , having therefore absolutely required all sufficient Persons chosen Sheriffs to serve , upon pain of Disfranchisement ; and allowing of no Excuce but Insufficiency in Estate ; all Acts of Common-Council allowing any less or other Court , to discharge sufficient Persons chosen , or to exempt 'em from being chosen , must be void in themselves : And , according to what the City has declared in its fullest Authority , is the assuming a Power , not only to injure those Persons , who thro the Default of others , serve before their turn : Which is a stretch beyond the Exercice of a Dispensing Power by the most Arbitrary of our Kings : But as it tends to the Desolation of the City , and hazards the loss of its Franchises ; is beyond , and contrary to , any Power that they can pretend to for the making By-Laws : which can be only for the Benefit of the City . But , in truth it will appear , that Common-Councils after this solemn Declaration of the Sense of the City , only took care to inforce the Substance of what was then enacted ; expressing what shall be adjudged Sufficiency ; and making other Penalties more likely to be effectual , than the Bugbear of Disfranchisement , can be with a wealthy Citizen , who is above his Trade , or any need of the Privileges of the City . Wherefore the Common-Council , 19 H. 8. having alter'd the Day of Election to a more convenient Day than the Feast of St. Matthew ; which was too near the Day on which Sheriffs were to be presented at the Exchequer , making almost the same recital with the Act 24 E. 3. provides , That if the Person chosen shall make Default , he shall pay 200 l. to the Vse of the Commonalty of the City ; 100 l. of which shall be given to him who next serves thro his Default . But expresly declares , That every Person so making Default , at all times be eligible unto the said Room and Office of Sheriffwick ; the said former Act , or any ☞ thing therein contained to the contrary , [ or the paiment of the said 200 l. for such Default , notwithstanding ] . Thus the By-Laws in this Matter stood , till 13 Eliz. when an Order of Common-Council was made , expresly affirming , or confirming , all former Acts of Common-Council , and Decrees of Court , herein . Where Decrees of Court may well be taken to include the Decrees of the Common-Hall pronounc'd on the Hustings ; and consequently that 24 E. 3. as to the requiring Persons chosen to hold , without any Excuce but Insufficiency , stands affirm'd 13 Eliz. That of the 13 th of Eliz. continued the same Penalty as 19 H. 8. but made nothing under 2000 l. to be a sufficient Qualification : Yet that , as well as the Order 19 H. 8. stood in need of some amendment . Wherefore 34 Eliz. it was prudently provided , 1. That the Day of Election being within too few Days of the Time for presenting the Sheriffs at the Exchequer , should be put back to the 24 th of June . 2. There being no sufficient Means of securing the City before-hand , that they might depend on a Person 's standing ; a Bond was required for that purpose . 3. The Penalty proving over-mild , it was rais'd from 200 l. to 400 Marks ; and if the Person chosen were an Alderman , to 600 Marks . 4. It was not express'd , 19 H. 8. what Estate should qualify a Person for the Service ; and the Qualification required 13 Eliz. became insufficient ; wherefore the Order , 34 Eliz. requir'd 5000 l. Upon these Accounts it repeal'd all former Orders about this Matter ; that a more effectual one might take place . But then it must be agreed , that till the 34 th of Eliz. there was no manner of colour to imagine , that paying a Fine could discharge any Man without Consent of the Common-Hall . And as it has appeared already , that 7 Car. 1. made no Alteration herein , or plac'd any Power of discharging or exempting , where it had not been before : Neither did that 37 Eliz. which that 7 C. 1. transcribes as to this Matter . But notwithstanding the requisite Alterations made 34 Eliz. the Expensiveness of Shrievalties , and Mens backwardness to hold , occasioned the Provision , 7 Car. 1. which has given Ground , tho no true Colour , for the present Dispute . That Act repeals all former Acts of Common-Council : but does not pretend to repeal any Act of Common-Hall . So that all the Obligation which lay upon Citizens to be concluded by their own Consent , publickly , and solemnly declared , 24 E. 3. still remains unshaken . Nor does the Act , 7 C. 1. repeal former Acts of Common-Council , as too severely keeping Men to their Duty : but , [ for that the same have not taken so good Effect as might be wished ; by reason that the Penalties and Forfeitures therein contained , have been over-mil'd : and thereby his Majesty's Services have been in danger of Prejudice ; and the good Citizens of this City , by reason of the often refusals of the said Office of Shrievalty , have been much troubled and disquieted . The better to secure good Sheriffs , it appoints the Day of Election to be the 24 th of June . And that no Freeman of the said City , so to be chosen or elected as aforesaid , shall be exempted from the execution of the said Office of Shrievalty , by supposition , or excuce of defect or insufficiency of Wealth ; [ except ] he will voluntarily take his Corporal Oath , before the Mayor , and greater part of the Aldermen , in open Court of Lord-Mayor , and Aldermen for the Time being ; that he then is not of the Value of Ten thousand Pounds , &c. Now considering how the former Provisions were , this is as much as if it said , Whereas according to former By-Laws , no sufficient Person is to be discharged or exempted from holding Sheriff ; and what was Sufficiency then , is not so now ; but the Penalties upon sufficient Persons were over-mil'd : therefore every sufficient Person chosen shall serve , upoin pain of forfeiting the sum of 600 Marks , if an Alderman , and 400 l. if a Commoner : unless he can swear , as is hereby required . Wherefore , according to the plain scope and meaning of this Order , and which , indeed , is expressed in that very Part which the Vindicator uses , no Man is to be discharged , or exempted , but for insufficiency in Estate . But however that Order were ; it is evident , that the Act of Common-Hall , 24 E. 3. is far from being antiquated or repealed : and is of force as to the Obligation , which the Body of the City laid upon every individual Person of the City , and upon all Inferiour Courts or Councils : and if the Penalty be duly taken away , that will not weaken the Sanction of such a declaratory Law. And surely no Man can say , that because of this Alteration , the exempting or discharging a sufficient Person from being Sheriff , will not be to the Prejudice of less sufficient Persons , who shall be oblig'd to serve before their turn : or that it will not tend to the Desolation of the City , and to the Hazard of its Franchises . As I take it , all the Citizens are precluded by this Act from saying otherwise , than themselves did so long since by their Predecessors ; and yet speak in this their standing Law. III. I come now to consider how the Custom has been : which , by what has already appeared , could not signify much , if it were contrary to these By-Laws ; and yet , as I shall shew , that is quite otherwise than the Vindicator would seem to believe . In the * 18 th Edw. II. one John Causton had been chosen Sheriff at the usual time , he not appearing ‖ whether upon personal Notice by Order of the Common-Hall , or upon a Proclamation , is uncertain ; the Aldermen and Commons were summon'd to be at Guildhall the Michaelmas Day next following : On which Day Causton was * disfranchised , and put out of his Aldermanship . And one Alan Gill was chosen Sheriff , and sworn : Afterwards , at the Hustings holden on Monday next after the Feast of Simon and Jude , Causton came and put ‖ himself upon the Mercy of the Mayor , Aldermen [ and Commonalty ] and begg'd to be restored to his former Estate , proffering to take the Shrievalty upon him . The * Mayor , Aldermen [ and Commons ] having the same Day consulted together ; and Respect being had to the Impotency or Insufficiency of Gill ; Causton was admitted to his former State , and sworn Sheriff : after which he was accepted , and sworn at Westminster . Observe , 1. Here was a Disfranchisement by Common Hall , before any Act of other Common Council was made in the Matter : and indeed , as it will appear , before there was any other Common Council ; or any Authority to make By-Laws given or confirmed to the City by any Charter . 2. The Common Hall restores a Man who had been disfranchised . 3. It discharges a Man who had been actually sworn Sheriff . To come to Times after the supposed Settlement of the present Common-Council , and of the Livery Common-Hall . In the 18 th Hen. 8. one Thomas Hinde was chosen Sheriff by the Common Hall : He not appearing , his Default was recorded ; and the Mayor directed the Persons that were of the Common Council of the City , to resort up to their Place accustomed , there to hold a Common Council ; and that all others should abide within the Hall. In that Common Council the Ordinance above-mentioned 24 Edw. 3. was read , and agreed to be put in execution . Hynde not yet appearing ; it was shewn to the Commons by the Common Clerk , in the Recorder's Absence , that inasmuch as the City was destitute of a Sheriff ; and also in consideration , that the Day of presenting the Sheriff at the Exchequer drew near , they should immediately proceed to a new Election . Then the Commons chose Simon Rice on a Saturday . The Day for presenting the Sheriffs being the next Monday , the Commons were appointed to meet on the Sunday . But Rice not being to be found , such Persons as were of the Common-Council were again ordered to resort up to their Place accustomed to Council ; where it was ordered , that every Citizen who had dep●●●ed out of the City since the Friday before , should forfeit 20 l. Thereupon the Commons being ordered to proceed to another Election , chose William Robins : who appearing before the Lord Mayor , Aldermen , and Commons , swore , [ before them all ] that he was not worth 1000 Marks ; upon which Oath he was immediately clearly dismissed . The Commons being again commanded by the Mayor to proceed to a new Election ; the Mayor and Aldermen returned to the great Chamber ; in whose Absence the Commons chose Mr. William Lok : who making humble Supplication to the Mayor , Aldermen [ and Commons ] shewed them , that considering his Youth and great Charges , he was nothing apt nor liable to take the Office upon him : which Mayor , Aldermen [ and Commons ] having Pity and Compassion of the said Mr. William Lok , upon his said Declaration , clearly discharged him for that time , without making of any Oath . The Commons being commanded to proceed to a new Election , the Mayor and Aldermen withdrew as before , and the Commons chose Mr. Nicholas Lamberd , who was sworn Sheriff . At this time it is evident , beyond Contradiction , that though the Lord Mayor gave the Rule , as Chief in the Common-Hall ; and he , with the Common-Council in the Council-Chamber , set the Penalty upon Absenters ; the Discharge of the Persons chosen was in the Common-Hall , and the Act of the Common Hall. Within three Years after this the Authority of the Common-Hall in this Matter , exclusive of all other Powers , is asserted in a very remarkable Instance . They having chosen Sheriff one Mr. Ralph Rowlet , an Officer in the Royal Mint ; the King wrote to the Mayor and Citizens , shewing that Mr. Rowlet was occupied in the Charge of the Mint ; and therefore will'd them , having Knowledg of his Privilege , no farther to inquiet him , but to proceed to a new Choice . Whereupon it was ordered , decreed and determined , by the Mayor , Aldermen , and Commons , that the Persons there named should repair to the King in the Name of the Mayor , Aldermen , and Citizens , in their most humble manner to beseech him , that the Liberties , Customs and Franchises of the City , by his most noble Progenitors granted to the same , and by his Highness ratified and confirmed , may stand , and be in their Strength and Virtue , concerning the said Ralph Rowlet ; that he may take upon him the said room of Sheriffwick , according to the Effect of the same . The Persons so deputed having attended the King , returned with a second Letter ; directed , to our trusty and right well beloved the Mayor of our City of London ; and our trusty and well beloved the Aldermen , Citizens , and Commons of the same . Wherein , as he says , Tendering the entire Conservation , and Maintenance , of the Liberties and Privileges of the City ; and seeing that his learned Councel were absent ; for which Cause he was in suspence and doubt , whether his Letters Patent to Rowlet were of such Force , that by Virtue of the same he ought to be discharged ; he desires them to proceed to the Election of some other Person , [ so to discharge ] the said Ralph Rowlet : Not in Contemplation of the said Letters Patent , but of those Presents , being only of request . Whereupon it was agreed , by the said Mayor , and Aldermen , that a Common-Council should be warned against the Vigil of St. Michael the Arch-Angel , concerning the same : And [ to their Advyses ] in the Premises . The Common-Council meeting , it was then and there agreed , according to the Tenor , and Effect , of the said Letter . It must be own'd , That in the Entries of the Common-Council there are these words ; It is agreed , That the said Ralph Rowlet shall be discharged of the said Office for this time only : And that thereupon the Commons proceed to a new Election . Where they do not pretend actually to discharge him , but agree that he shall be discharged : Which shews , that the Discharge was to be in the Place where another was to be chosen : And they only advised this , or recommended it , to the Common-Hall . That this was only by way of Advice appears farther ; not only by the declared End for which they were summon'd ; but by what follows the former part of the Journal ; which , after mentioning what was done in Common-Council , has these words ; And then immediately , the said Letter was openly read in the Guild-Hall aforesaid , [ to all the Commons in their Liveries , then and there assembled . ] And in like manner were agreed , in manner and form as the said Common-Council had agreed and granted . And thereupon , the said Mayor , Aldermen , and Commons , by one Assent , and Consent , proceeded to the Election of a new Sheriff , in the stead and place of the said Mr. Rowlet . Here 't is observable , 1. That it was held and declared , whether by the Common-Hall , or ordinary Common-Council , it matters not ; That the King's Prerogative to require the Service of his Subjects , could not defeat the Right of the City , to employ its Citizens : Tho' the King had exercised his Prerogative , before the City had applied that Right to the particular Person . 2. That the King did not think it in the Power of the Mayor , and Aldermen , or any other Body of Men , without the Commons , to discharge the Person chosen . 3. That he suppos'd the Choice of another Person , to amount to the Discharge of the first . 4. That tho' the Common-Council among themselves agree , that the Person shall be discharged ; they did not insist upon this Order or Vote , as conclusive to the Common-Hall . But caus'd the King's Letter to be read in Common-Hall . Where all agreed in manner and form as the Common-Council had done before : That is , they agreed to discharge the Party . So that the Agreement of the Common-Council was but matter of Advice , or a probationary Order ; which wanted the Placet , or Fiat , of the Commons . The next Case which I find to this Point , is that of Richmond , 33 H. VIII . In which , as I am informed , the Asserters of the Authority of the Common-Council much triumph : And yet it will prove to have been the Effect of a strong Prepossession ; or of not attending to those governing Passages and Expressions , which will fully explain what may seem doubtful in this , or other Entries of the like kind . Richmond having been chosen by the Common-Hall , and his Election certified to the Mayor , and Aldermen , in the utter Chamber of Guild-Hall ; the Mayor , and Aldermen , are there said lovingly to have confirmed and allowed the same . After this , the Lord-Mayor , and his Brethren the Aldermen , returning [ into the Hall ] Richmond came up unto the Lord-Mayor , and his Brethren the Aldermen , and [ then ] and [ there ] made right humble and hearty Suit , Petition , and Request , both [ unto them ] and [ unto the whole Commons there present ] That , forasmuch as he had not sufficient Estate , It might please [ them all ] to be so good Lord and Maisters unto him , and to discharge him thereof again . Notwithstanding his Allegations and Reasons for his Excuse and Discharge , because it seemed [ unto them ] that he was a Man very meet and hable for the same , his said Petition and Request would not , nor was not granted unto him . He proffer'd his Oath , that he was not worth 1000 Marks : But the Mayor , Aldermen , and Council of the City answer'd , That such Oath was not sufficient without Six Vouchers , according to the late Act of Common-Council . However , he swore to his Insufficiency , before the Mayor , Aldermen , and [ Commons ; ] Whereupon , forasmuch as his own Othe did not discharge him , according to the Laws and Usages of the said City , of and from the said Office ; but that he stood still , and remained chargeable to the same , and expresly refused , and denied there openly to take it upon him , and to meddle withal ; he was sent to Ward for his Disobedience , and Obstinacy , by the whole Court [ and Consent of the Commons ] there assembled . After this , he was several times brought in Custody before the Mayor , and Aldermen , and as often remanded ; till at last he agreed to pay 200 l. to the use of the City , for his Discharge ; and gave Bond for the Money . Thereupon he was discharged from his Imprisonment . Then the Mayor , Aldermen , Common-Council , and [ other the Commoners assembled at Guild-Hall , for the Discharging of the said Richmond ] of and from the said Office , and for the Election of another . Whereupon , great part of the Premises , and the Circumstances of the same , by Mr. Recorder , first to the Common-Council , and afterwards [ to the Commons aforesaid ] [ then ] and [ there ] being substantially , discreetly , and prudently , published and declared [ at length ] the same Mr. Richmond was [ then ] and [ there ] by the said Mayor , Aldermen , and [ Common-Counsail there holden ] clearly discharged for that time only , of and from the said Office , for his said Fine . Here they will take no notice of what was transacted in the first Common-Hall ; where Richmond petition'd [ the whole Commons ] as well as the Mayor , and Aldermen , for a Discharge , which he could not then obtain ; and further , the Commons agreed , That he should be committed to Prison : Wherein they , with the Mayor and Aldermen , acted as a Court of Justice , and Common-Council . If the Council of the City , which urg'd an Act of Common-Council , were the Common-Council it self ; then it is evident , that they acted there but as of Counsel or Advice to the Common-Hall ; in which that Entry places the Authority of Discharging . If they were the Cities Counsel at Law who mention'd this ; then the Common-Council had no share in any part of that Transaction , otherwise than as part of the Common-Council in Common-Hall assembled , who consented to the committing Richmond . Still some will hang upon that part of the Entry concerning the Second Common-Hall , where Richmond is said to be discharged by the said Common-Counsail there holden . When it manifestly was the very same Body of Men , to whom he petitioned for a Discharge , which he could not then obtain ; and by whose Consent he was committed to Prison for his Disobedience and Obstinacy . To give colour to their Sense , they must have it , that tho' Richmond sued to the Mayor , Aldermen , Common-Council , and Common ; who would not then discharge him ; and tho' , after he had fined all met to discharge him , and chuse another ; yet the Commons met only to chuse another ; and the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council , to discharge him . And tho' the Discharge is plainly shewn to have been in Common-Hall , where the Common-Council cannot pretend to act as a Council , with Authority ; and that [ at length ] after the Commons , as well as the Common-Council , had been applied to by the Recorder ; yet they must fansie , that the Common-Council withdrew out of the Common-Hall , and went up to the Council-Chamber , to make a particular Order for his Discharge . Of which there is not the least mention or intimation , in relation to that Second Common-Hall . But , as this is meer Imagination , not only without ground , but directly contrary to the careful and solemn entry of the Proceedings , from the beginning to the end ; it is evident , That the Common-Council was but part of the Common-Counsail , there holden , consisting of Mayor , Aldermen , Common-Council , and other Commoners . Farther yet , if it should appear by other Evidences , as I make no doubt but it will , That the Commons of the City , with their Officers , and Council , assembled in their Common-Hall , or other Folk-mote , in their own Persons , or by Representation ; have , from long before the reputed Conquest to this Day , been and continued the Common-Council of the City ; and that the Common-Hall , wherein Richmond was discharged from serving Sheriff , was a true Representative of all the Commons ; it will be certain that all together were properly called a Common-Counsail . And if the Common-Hall , as now compos'd , be the same with that which discharg'd Richmond ; it will also follow , That the Right of Discharging belongs to this Common-Hall : And that it is the true Common-Counsail , or rather Council , of the City . Take all the Precedents together , as they strengthen and give Light to one another ; and , I think , there can be no question , but they will so explain and govern following Orders of Common-Council , that not one of them shall be taken as a Precedent to the Contrary : Unless it can be shewn , that the Person discharged by the Common-council , has been look'd upon in Law as duly discharged ; before the Commons have allowed of the Discharge , by proceeding to a new Choice ; and even tho' they absolutely refus'd to chuse again . However , lest it should be thought , that all the Entries since the Reign of H. VIII . to 7 Car. I. ( when the Order was made on which the Vindicator lays his chief stress ) are on the Side of the Common-Council ; I shall give the Words of the Journal of the Common-Hall , 1 Eliz. which may govern all the Entries to 7 Car. I. Common Hall. In Congregatione Majoris , Aldror ' & Communitatis , Civitatis Lond ' apud Cuihalde , xxi Die Sept ' Anno Reg ' dnae Eliz. Dei Grat ' Ang ' Franciae & Hiberniae Reg ' Fidei Defensor ' &c. primo . Forasmuch , as Mr. Walter Jobson , Citizen and Cloth-worker of the said City of London , who was lawfully elect and chosen the 11th Day of August last past , by the Commons of this City , one of the Sheriffs of the same City , and of the County of Middlesex , for the Year next ensuing after the Feast of St. Michael the Arch-Angel now next ensuing ; hath since that time signified and given sufficient knowledge unto my said Lord-Mayor , and Aldermen ; that he , by reason of Sickness and debility of Body , wherewith he a long time hath been and yet is fore vexed , detain'd , and troubled ; as he saith , is not in any wise able , to take upon him the exercice and execution of the same Office accordingly . In consideration whereof [ the said Commons ] have this Day eftsoons assembled for the Election of one other able and sufficient Person , to bear and exercise the said Room and Office of Shrievalty for the said time , in the stead a●d place of the said Mr. Jobson ; did this Day elect and chuse Mr. Roger Martin , Alderman , one of the Sheriffs of the said City and County of Middlesex , to have , occupy and exercise the said Office of Shrievalty , from the Feast of St. Michael the Arch-Angel now next coming , unto the Feast of St. Michael the Arch-Angel then next ensuing , acc●rding to the ancient custom of this City in that behalf . Here observe ; 1. That in the First of Eliz. the Common-Hall was a Court which kept the Journals of its Proceedings . 2. That the Matter of which the Mayor and Aldermen had taken Cognizance , was not within any By-Law : So that they could not pretend to any Authority to discharge . Nor is it said that the Party was discharged , tho' they were satisfied that he was not able to hold . Wherefore this Matter represented to the Common-Hall , could be no more than as the Opinion , and Advice , of the Mayor and Aldermen . 3. Accordingly , the Common-Hall takes the Matter into consideration : For they , being assembled for the Election of another , did elect , in consideration of the Matter represented to them in Common-Hall . 4. To put this Matter beyond Controversie , it is observable , That no Common-Council was held upon this Occasion ; and there is no colour of Authority , or ancient Usage pretended , for the Mayor and Aldermen to discharge without the Consent of the Common-Council . Therefore Mr. Jobson must have been discharged by the Common-Hall , or otherwise he continued Sheriff ; which , 't is certain he did not . 5. No other discharge of the Party is mentioned , or implied , than the Common-Hall's proceeding to a new Choice . And if in any following Instances they have proceeded to new Elections , upon such Inducements as they had at the respective times , whether upon taking Fines , or otherwise , the Entries of Clerks can be no Prejudice to their Right so manifest upon many Entries in the Common-Hall Journals . According to what is said in Slade's * Case , The Returns of Sheriffs , or Entries of Clerks , without challenge of the Party , or consideration of the Court , being contrary to common Law , and Reason , are not allowable . And therefore , whatever may have been entred in the Books of the Common-Council , it shall not be suppos'd that the Common-Hall ever admitted any Man to have been discharg'd , till they had actually consented to it ; or did it virtually , in chusing another in his stead . And the same may be applied to Exemptions , of which I will admit there are some Instances to be found in the Books of the Common-Council . 4 th . That no Man was ever duly discharged or exempted , till there was the Consent of the Common-Hall , may sufficiently appear by what I have shewn of the By-Laws and Custom in this Matter . And yet if both favour'd the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council , I shall make it evident , that they would be void in Law. To which purpose I shall shew , 1. That the exempting a Person from being chosen Sheriff within the City of London , and the discharging or amoving one chosen , is contrary to the common-Law Right of the Electors . 2. That it is contrary to their Charters , confirm'd by Parliaments . 3. That Magna Charta , and other Acts of Parliament , declaratory of the Common-Law , have so vested the exemption and discharge in the Electors ; that if their free Consent out of Parliament might divest them of it ; for certain nothing less can . 4. That they have never parted with , or quitted it : Yet if they had , are restor'd to their Right by his present Majesty's gracious Act of Restitution . A Canon of Waltham having , in the Reign of H. 6. been arrested by a Serjeant of the City , in the Close of St. Martin le Grand ; the Legality of it coming in question , because of the pretended Privilege of that Place , granted by W. 1. there called Conqueror . The Mayor , and Citizens justify , and say , All the Close is and ought to be , and of all time beyond memory of Man was , of and in the Liberty and Jurisdiction of the said City : For the verifying which they say and shew , divers Reasons and Evidences . First , they say , That the said City is , and beyond memory of Man was , the Capital City of the whole Kingdom of England , before the rest of the Cities and Towns of the same , adorn'd as well with Honours , as Liberties ; and very many free Customs of divers Kinds : For it was founded of Old by the famous Progenitors of our Lord the King that now is , after the likeness , and manner , and in memory of Antient Troy the Great : and from hence was long called Trinovant . Which City , in the time of St. Edward , King and Confessor , and [ of all time before ] was of it self , and in it self [ one sole and entire County ] , and one sole and entire Jurisdiction and Liberty , [ held at Farm by the said Citizens and their Predecessors ] of the said King and his Predecessors . And the same Citizens then , and from all the time aforesaid , by reason of their said Jurisdiction and Liberty , have among other , such Liberties and free Customs : to wit , to chuse and make of themselves , every Year , certain principal Officers in the said ●●●y , who may faithfully answer the King of the said Farm , and immediately under him , the People of the said City , and others resorting to the same , in Peace and Justice according to its antient Laws and Customs , to rule . And also they could , ought , and for all the times aforesaid , us'd to make other Ministers under them , in aid of the sustaining and 〈◊〉 ●●ising the Premisses : So that all the said time , no Summons , Attachment , Distress , or Execution , ought , or us'd to be made , in the Place where the said Close now is , nor elsewhere in any Part of the City ; unless by the Officers and Ministers aforesaid , except on their failure . And they say , That the said Lord William the Conqueror , before the Foundation of the Church aforesaid , and the making the said Charter , of which before was mention , by the Authority of his Parliament ; and by two Charters which the said Mayor and City here proffer : to wit , by one of them demised to the Citizens of London , the whole said City and County , with all its Appendences , Things , and Customs , to them in any manner appertaining . And by the other he granted , and by the Authority aforesaid confirm'd , to the same Citizens , and their Successors , that they should have the said , and all other their Liberties and Free Customs unhurt , which they had in the time of the said holy King Edward his Progenitor : and that they should peaceably use and enjoy them , &c. And , speaking of other Kings , his Successors , Which Kings severally , some by their Charters , and some by their Charters and the Authority of divers their Parliaments , granted and confirmed , to the said Citizens and their Successors , all the said City and County , with all the Rights , Jurisdictions , Liberties , and Free Customs before-mentioned , with their Appurtenances whatsoever [ in Fee Farm ] . Indeed , I find no Judgment upon this , but it seems the Plea quieted the Dispute . That the Plea was rightly founded , may appear from two considerable Authorities , not to name more . 1. The * Confessor's Law ( received and sworn to by Wil. 1. more than once ) out of which the Passage concerning the Antiquity of the City , and its being founded in Imitation and in Memory of Old Troy , is transcribed : That Law derives the City's Laws , Rights , Liberties , and Royal Customs , from its first Foundation ; and says it has preserved them with an entire Inviolability ; and consequently affirms those Laws , Rights , Liberties , and Royal Customs , to have been at Common Law before any Charter . A † Charter passed in Parliament 1 E. 3. and at the Request of the City , express'd by the Recorder , ‖ enrolled in the King's-Bench soon after . This Charter , mentioning the great Charter's Confirmation of all the City's antient Liberties and Customs , adds , that at the making of that Charter , and in the times of Edward King and Confessor , and of William the Conqueror , and other E. 3 d's Progenitors , the said Citizens had divers Liberties and Customs , as well by Charters of Kings , as without , of antient Custom : Where the Custom is laid from before the reputed Conquest . And thus their Plea above , which I find likewise pleaded or prepared , * 25 H. 8. is in effect warranted by Act of Parliament . It appears that the Charter to St. Martins , which occasioned this Plea , was granted 2 Will. 1. and that in Parliament , for it was at the Queen●s Coronation , which , as appears ‖ by the old Rituals and Histories , could not then be without the Consent of the States : Though in the Charter to be seen in the Tower by inspeximus , there are Words exempting the Place from all secular Jurisdiction ; yet the whole County of London being the City's Farm , Jurisdiction in every part of it was such an Incident as could not be taken away by general Words in an Act of Parliament : According to a Case , * 2 E. 3. wherein it was adjudged , that though the Stat. of Westminster gave an Attaint against a Jury for a false Verdict ; an Attaint would not lie upon a Verdict in the City of London , because of the Credit the Oaths of a City-Jury had by Prescription before the Statute . Since therefore the County of London is the City's Farm , and of such a Nature , that what belongs to the Farm is not separable by the general Words of an Act of Parliament ; neither will the discharging the Sheriffs otherwise than at the Pleasure of the Electors , that is , of the City duly represented , at least for that Purpose , be to be taken from the Electors by a less Authority than a Parliament : And if a Parliament cannot do it by general or doubtful Words , much less can any others . But to evince that the discharging or amoving is incident to the Right of the Election , I must observe , that in other Counties , which are not of Fee , though the Choice of Sheriffs was at common Law in the Freeholders of the Counties , yet the Sheriffs had their Commissions and Authority from the King. And as they have their several Bailywicks under them , they were and are the King's Bailiffs of the whole County ; which in many Records is stiled their † Balliva or Bailywick . And though ordinarily the King constitutes them his Bailiffs for a Year , they at Common Law were amoveable at his Pleasure . But as the County of London is the City's Farm , it is the Sheriff's Bailywick under the City , whose Election and Confirmation constitutes him Sheriff , without any Commission from the King. And because the City is answerable to the King , if the Sheriff be not able , ( though not for his Crimes , which several Charters provide against ) the Sheriffs used antiently to find ‖ Sureties to indempnify the City . The Sheriffs therefore being but Bailiffs to the Electors , in the Nature of the thing , are amoveable or dischargeable by them ; and consequently by them only : unless we suppose two supreme Powers within the City ; which , according to * Grotius's Argument against the Plurality of Gods , are absolutely inconsistent . 2. If there were any Question , whether the discharging Sheriffs at Common Law belongs to the Electors ; Charters confirm'd by Parliament put it beyond Dispute . In a Charter † 1 Joh. after the Confirmation of the Sherifwick of London and Middlesex , with all the Customs and Things to the Sherifwick belonging , at the Rent of 300 l. per annum , with a special saving to the Citizens of London of all their Liberties and free Customs ; it adds , Moreover , we have granted to the Citizens of London , that they from among themselves may make Sheriffs whom they will , and amove them when they will. This is not only confirm'd in general by that King 's Great Charter at * Runny-mead , or Redden-mead , and by H. Third 's Great Charter , under the Cities Liberties , and free Customs ; but by the express words of a Charter , 11 H. III. and by two Acts of Parliament at the least ; one 1 , the other 7 of R. II. In the first of which this is preserv'd , ‖ among other Rights , tho' not us'd : And in the later , tho' not us'd , or abus'd . And all of them are repeated and confirm'd † , 2 E. IV. And that of 7 R. II. is exemplified under the Broad-Seal * , 8 J. I. It is observable , That the managing Part of the City took Care to leave the Parliamentary Confirmations of this , and other Clauses ; which , possibly , they thought too much to favour the Commonalty , out of the Confirmation of their Charter , 16 C. II. However , the Acts of Parliament stood in no need of Confirmation ; and the late Exemplification , of the most considerable of them , confirming the rest , removes the Pretence of their being antiquated , or lost , by any supposed disuse . And , besides what I have mentioned , according to the Cities Plea to the Quo Warranto in Michaelmas-Term , 1681. The entire Benefit of these Charters , in this Point , was confirm'd , 5 H. VIII . 2 E. VI. 1 Mar. 4 Eliz. 6. J. I. 14 C. I. To which , not to mention others , I may add the Statute , ‖ 7 H. IV. which , after providing that Holy Church , the Lords-Spiritual , and Temporal , and all the Cities and Burghs , have , and enjoy , all their Liberties and Franchises before that time granted ; adds , And that the Great Charter , and the Charter of the Forest , and all the Ordinances and Statutes made in the time of our Sovereign Lord the King , and in the time of his Progenitors , [ not repealed ] be firmly holden and kept , and duly executed , in all Points . It may be material here , to shew how the Law , as to the Cities Liberty and Franchise , for the chusing and amoving Sheriffs , was taken in the next Reign after the making that Statute . In the 6th of H V. a Sheriff dying in his Shrievalty , the Mayor , Aldermen , and the more sufficient of the Commons , that is , as will afterwards appear , the Livery-men , were summon'd † before the King in Council , to shew their Right to chuse , upon the death of a Sheriff . They appearing , answer by the Recorder , That , ‖ among other , the Libertus granted to the Citizens of London , and ratified in divers Parliaments , it is con●●i●ed , That the Citizens of London may make Sheriffs of themselves , as often as they will , and amove them when they will. By reason of which Liberty they say That often hitherto , after they have chosen Sheriffs from among themselves , who have behaved themselves ill , or died , as it now happened , they have chosen others in their stead . This Plea was then allowed by the Counsel , or before the King in Council , where such Matters us'd to be determin'd . And it was said to the Mayor and Commons , That they should use as they had done hitherto . Where the Chusers and Amovers are agreed to be the same : And that these were the Mayor and Aldermen , with the more sufficient of the Commons . And , if it will appear , that these were the Livery-men ; here is a Judgment of that time , That , according to the Charters confirm'd by Acts of Parliament , the chusing , and amoving , or discharging of Sheriffs , belongs to the Livery-men , and , consequently , to none besides . If the above-mentioned Charters and Acts of Parliament , in affirmance , as I have shewn , of the Common-Law , are not enough to preserve the Cities Right of amoving , or discharging Sheriffs , as well as chusing them ; and if they may not chuse Persons exempted by Order of a Common-Council , as well as others ; it is in vain to talk of such a thing as Legal Rights : For none can be more firmly and plainly established . If it be said , That the City has this , but not the Citizens which meet in Common-Hall : It may as well be said , That they are not the Electors in any Case ; for whoever are , by Law , the Electors , have Right to disallow Exemptions by others , even by the King himself , as in Rowlet's Case ; and to amove , or discharge , in as full a manner as they have the chusing . Farther yet , Whatever is inconsistent with an undoubted Right , is absolutely void ; but for the Common-Council to discharge a Person whom the Common-Hall and they themselves as Part did chuse by an undoubted Right , is inconsistent , as it makes the Right useless ; and therefore such a Discharge must be void . And the same will hold against Exemptions ; and indeed , if others may exempt , they cannot chuse whom they will. In either Case they are defeated of what the Common-Law and Charters , confirmed in Parliament , vested in ' em . 3. Since therefore , they remain the Electors , it will be a great Question , whether they could barr themselves , or succeeding Common-Halls , from a Right so incident , and annexed to the Election , as the amoving , or discharging , a Person chosen Sheriff ; or exempting Persons being chosen ; according to the Notion of Sir Robert Filmer , and others , of Supreme Power ( in which they mistake only for want of observing how the Power , which is in its Nature indivisible , is seated , and enjoyed . ) To this Matter I may well apply what that great Man , the late Earl of Clarendon , says of the Supposition , That our Ancestors had absolutely submitted to the Will of a Conqueror . If it * can be supposed , That any Nation can concur in such a Designation , and devesting themselves of all their Right , and Liberty ; it could only be , in reason , Obligatory to the present Contractors : Nor does it appear to us , That their Posterity must be bound by so unthrifty a Concession of their Parents . To which I may add that of ‖ Grotius ; No Man can oblige himself by way of Law , that is as a Superior : And hence it is , that the Authors of Laws have Right to change their Laws ; yet any Body may be oblig'd by his own Law ; not directly , but by consequence , ( that is to say ) as he is a Part of the Community ; according to natural Equity , which requires that Parts should be compos'd with respect to the Whole . But here the Electors stand in the Place of the whole Body of Citizens , and therefore might at any time re-assume the Right which belongs to them as Electors . However , that they shall not be thought to have parted with it by Implication , in suffering a Common-Council to act as if the sole Authority in this Matter rested in them ; tho' for a longer time than can be pretended here , may , besides the reason of the thing , appear : 1. From observing some parallel Cases . 2. From the Resolution of Judges , directly in this Point . First , I may observe some Cases , of many , wherein a greater length of time than is supposed here , can take away no Right . 1. Discontinuance of part of the Services , belonging to Tenure , when the Lord of a Mannor has been possessed of other Part , or at least of the Principal ; as in Bevil's Case . According to which , possession of the Right of Chusing carries with it the incidental Right , of Exempting and Amoving , or , Discharging . 2. Where a Custom which has long obtain'd , is contrary to the Common-Law Right , confirm'd by Magna Charta , of a considerable Body of Men. Thus from the Precedent in the Case of the Earl of Warwick , 14 or 15 H. VII . a Custom and suppos'd Prerogative had obtain'd , for the King to name a select Number of Peers to try any one of them for his Life . And this is supported not only by the Opinion of the Lord Coke , but by the Year-Book , 1 H. IV. where there is a formal Account of the Trial of an Earl of H. in such manner , at that time . When it appears by the Summons to Parliaments at that time , that there was no other Earl of H. besides the Earl of Huntington : And the Record * of 2 H. IV. shews , that he being taken in open Rebellion , was executed by the People without any Legal Process . This , and other Evidences of the Right of the Lords to fair Trials , having been communicated to several of them , occasioned their Resolution , Jan. 14. 1689. That it is the ancient Right of the Peers of England to be try'd only in full Parliament , for Capital Offences . Which they explained three Days after , excepting Appeals for Murther , or other Felony . Which Resolution was 189 Years since the Precedent to the contrary , which had been followed ever since to that Day . 3. It is to be consider'd , That the Right here in question , is a Right belonging to the Citizens of London by Prescription , confirm'd by Charters and Acts of Parliament : And a Right , which , as has appear'd above , the present Representatives of the Citizens , for the election of Sheriffs , were possess'd of in the Reign of H. VIII . if not as late as 1 Eliz. But if the Custom ever since , or for a much longer time , had placed the Exemption and Discharge in others ; such a Custom could not destroy the Cities prescriptional Right : For tho' Interruption may destroy the prescriptional Rights of particular Persons , it shall not such Rights of Cities and Boroughs , as may be regularly exercised without confusion . Accordingly , tho' some ‖ Boroughs never sent Burgesses to Parliament above once , twice , or thrice , in one or two , and some not in three hundred Years , they , in pursuance of several Votes of the House of Commons , from the 18th of J. I. downwards , have been restored and remitted to their Antient Right : As (b) Agmondesham , St. Albans , Alverton , alias Allerton , Andover , (c) Asperton , Beverley , Botolph , Dunster , Fawy , Gatton , Herewich , Honyton , Lancaster , Leychesfeld , Lee , (d) Malton , Marlaw Magna , Okhampton , Oreford , (e) Pontefract , Preston , Richmond , Seaford , Web●eley , Wendover , Wych . I shall take leave to observe what is cited upon this Occasion , in one of the Reports of the ●ommittee of Privileges , An. 1628. from Hankford , 11 H. 4. The long discontinuance might come from Poverty , or the nescience or neglect of the Sheriff . Tho for certain , in so long a Succession of Parliaments , these Burroughs had sufficient Opportunities of freeing themselves from any Prejudice which might arise from such ●●science , or Neglect ; and by so long a Sufferance , seem to have given up their Right : Yet it appears to be a Right of such a Nature , as is assumable whenever they are in a condition to exercise it . For evidence of which , I take leave to add a farther Instance , that no discontinuance , tho for several hundreds of Years , shall destroy such a Right . Which is the Case of St. Edmond's Bury in Suffolk . This by King * Cnute's Charter , confirm'd by † Edward the Confessor , and afterwards by W. 1. and ( whatever some talk of the publishing his Laws in French ) according to the Usage of his and former Times ‖ published or proclaimed m●re than once , in the Sax●n Tongue ; appears to have been a Burrough , from the Time of K. Edmond , who died about 800 Years since , and yet but one Precept can be found for this Burrough to send Members to Parliament till within late Days : and that single Precept was as early as 30 Edw. 1. nor was there any Return upon it . But this appearing to have been an Antient Burrough ; the right of being represented in Parliament was such an Incident , as no discontinuance could sever . 4. Nothing appears to the contrary , but that from the Time that this Common-Council receiv'd its Settlement , whenever that was , they have been chosen by the Inhabitants in the several Wards , free and unfree : tho directly contrary to the Charters , which place the Rights of the ●ity in the Freemen . And thus it continued , till the Mayoralty of that prudent Magistrate , Sir Thomas Stamp : When it was declared , That it is , and antiently hath been , the Right and Privilege of the Freemen of the said City only , being Housholders , paying Scot and bearing Lot , and or none other whatsoe●er , in their several and respective Wards , from time to time , as often as there was or should be occasion ▪ to nominate Aldermen , and elect Common-Council-men , for the same respective Wards . There is not in that Act the least intimation , that there ever was a Custom for the Freemen to chuse , exclusive of all others : And yet the Sense of the Common-Council was , that such Right remained , notwithstanding the long Disuse , and the usurpation of Foreigners , with the Permission of the Freemen . 2. Among Resolutions of Judges , directly to the present Point , I may very well use that which is cited on the other Side , 40 & 41 Eliz. According to which , it is to be presum'd , that Common Assent has placed the Elections of Sheriffs in the Livery-men : but the Claim or Exercice of Authority to discharge or exempt a Person chosen , can have no Foundation in Law , unless transferred from the Electors to others , by the express Common Assent of the Electors , or at least such as is presumable to have been very long since given : for which Presumption , I challenge any Man to shew the least Ground . But there is another Resolution of Judges of yet greater Authority ; that 40 and 41 Eliz. being extrajudicial upon a Case put at Serjeants-Inn . Whereas I shall shew a formal Judgment , that Common Assent , to be of any Force in such Case , ought to be express , and not by Implication . The Judgment follows in these words : 3 d. It was agreed by Coke , Chief Justice , and the whole Court , in this Case of Colchester , concerning their Corporation , that if there be a popular Election of the Mayor , and Aldermen , in Corporate Towns , and this happens to breed Confusion amongst 'em , this may be altered by their Agreement , and by the common Assent of all , to have their Elections by a fewer Number ; but not otherwise . But if by their Charter they are to be elected by them all : then this is not to be altered , but by and with the general Assent of the whole Town , and so by this means to take away Confusion . This is so plain , that it needs no Comment , only that it must not be objected , that this speaks only of Elections , not the discharging of Persons chosen , or any other Incident . For if even in the Case of Elections , where there is a Necessity to restrain the Numbers of Electors , to avoid Confusion ; this Restraint will not bind without a general Assent ; much less can it be pretended , that where Elections can be , and are , duly made , it shall be in the Power of others to defeat or vacate the Election ; and put the Electors in danger of wanting sufficient Men to serve , or of Confusion by Elections often repeated : when the Power of doing this was never parted with in express Terms , or so much as by Implication . 4. But that the Common-Hall have never parted with this ; or if they had , are restored to it , may very easily appear , if we consider , 1. That the Right of chusing what qualified Persons they please , or amoving or discharging 'em at pleasure , is not only vested in 'em by common Law , confirmed by Charters , and Acts of Parliament ; but has been exercised by the Common-Hall , not only before the supposed Settlement of the present Common-Council , and the Livery Common-Hall , but after ; and that in Instances very remarkable , and fully expressive of their Authority . And if there had been any Discontinuance , their adhering to their Choice of Sir Christopher Lethieulier , and Sir John Houblon , and obliging them to hold , after they had fined ; according to a known Term in Law , would work a Remitter , by which they would be restor'd to their best Right , which is so favour'd in Law , that if one who has been disseis'd of Land , enter under a Lease from the Disseisor ; he shall be adjudg'd to be in Possession upon his former Right . 2. That whereas the Vindicator will have a supposed Custom for the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council , to discharge , or exempt , to have been confirmed by the late Act , restoring the City Charter ; it restores to the Mayor , Commonalty , and Citizens , all their Rights , [ which they lawfully had ] at the recording or giving the Judgment : But surely a Custom of so late Days as this is , take it with the greatest colour of Pretension , ( especially when the Custom is of such a Nature , that whatever Entries may have been in the Books of the Common-Council , the Common-Hall's unanimous Choice of any other Person , may be well taken to have been the only legal Discharge ; as it plainly was so late as 1 Eliz. ) cannot come within the meaning of those words ; and that to the Prejudice of a Right which Magna Charta , and so many other Charters and Statutes ; and some of them not very Antient , have vested in the Electors . Wherefore the lawful Custom in this Matter , used by the Common-Hall , from the beginning , till within the Time of Queen Elizabeth , and of which they were possess'd at the making the Statute , 2 W. & M. is indisputably restored and confirmed by that Statute . And if all this cannot fix a Right in the Common-Hall , I must needs think the Rights of English-men very precarious . Which leads me to the higher Controversy ; where the Vindicator supposes , that if there has been no former By-Law or Practice , directly in this Point ; yet the Common-Council may exercise such a Power , by a Right inherent in them , as the City's Legislators , who were not only prior in time to the Livery Common-Hall , but gave being to 'em in the Time of E. 4. and can controul their Acts. Not here to insist upon the plain Consequence of these Assertions , that if what the Vindicator holds be true , the Common-Council may not only place Elections of Sheriffs in themselves , but of all other Officers , and even of Members of Parliament , and Common-Council Men ; and make themselves a Body of perpetual Continuance , supplying Vacancies by the Choice of the Survivers ; and so by one single Act of a Common-Council overthrow all the Rights of the City ; to leave this Reflection to be improv'd by others . I shall prove , that the present Common-Hall is by Law chiefly entrusted with executing the Powers given by Common Law , and Charters confirmed by divers Parliaments , to the Body of Freemen : Where I shall shew , 1. That the Rights and Liberties of the City rested in the whole Body of the Freemen : and the whole Body of them have regularly voted in making Laws , for the Benefit and Government of the City , before they had any Charters , and since . 2. That whoever are legally possess'd of the publick Common-Hall , are intituled to all the Authority which the whole Body ever had : especially in those Matters wherein the present Possessors exercise Authority : and that the Livery-men have this Right . 3. That a Representation of the Commons , by the Mysteries , was settled in the Council-Chamber , with Authority to make By-Laws , before any Common-Council of the present Form had such Authority . And , however , that the Authority of that Council was soon taken away by Act of Common-Hall ; and lodg'd for some time in the Representation by the Mysteries . 4. That whoever are intituled to the Council-Chamber ; that Council is a meer Creature and Committee of the Common-Hall , by it entrusted with the dispatch of some things ; and for preparing others for its ease . And whatever Power they have about Circumstances , cannot by their Act deprive the Common-Hall of any Right . 5. That there is no colour to believe , that the Common-Hall , as now compos'd , received its Being or Authority from such Common-Council as now acts : or from any thing but the general Consent of the Freemen , express'd in some Act of Common-Hall , before the Time of E. 4. or imply'd in the long submission of the rest of the Freemen , before that Time , or since . ( 1. ) As I before observ'd , the Confessor's Law derives the City's Laws , Rights , Dignities , and Royal Customs , from its first Foundation . I may add , that it says , in every County there ought to be a (a) Folkmote on the first of the Kalends of October , there to provide who shall be Sheriff , and who shall be their (b) Heretochs : and there to hear their just Precepts , by the Counsel and Assent of the Peers , and [ Judgment of the Folkmote ] . That London had such a Folkmote , and the Judgment of that Folkmote extended to the making By-Laws , before the Time of the Confessor , appears by the following Instance . In the Time of King (c) Athelstan , above 120 Years before the reputed Conquest , Laws had been made at Gratelie , Exeter , and Winresfeld ; or rather the Laws made at Gratelie , were ratified at the two other Places ; all the wise Men not being able to meet at the first . These Laws are not only received by the Earls , or rather Companions , and Townsmen , or Citizens of London ; but they make considerable Additions to them for the Good of the City . (d) Their Act or Judgment is called the Constitution , (e) which the Bishops , and Head-boroughs , who belong to the Court of London , have made or published : and which the Earls , or rather Companions , or Companies , and Townsmen , have confirm'd by Oath in their Free-Gild . There , among other things , they provide , that no Thief above 12 Years old , found guilty by Inquisition , or upon Trial , shall be spared . And that (f) he who was rob'd , having receiv'd his Capital or Principal , the King should have half ; the Society should share the rest with the Lord , of whom he held Book-Land , or Bishops-Land . It provides (g) for a Common Stock for the Good of all : and that all in common shall inquire into the disposal of it . It settles (h) Decennaries , or Tythings : and that there shall be one over 'em , who shall summon them for their common Profit ; and take an Account what they send , (i) when they are to contribute , or be taxed ; and what , (k) when they receive Money , by Order of all the Citizens , upon their treating together . With other Particulars , which I need not mention ; this being enough to shew their Authority at Common Law , before the reputed Conquest . (l) Then , which was above 750 Years since , they had their Guildhall ; and , as the * Confessor's Law shews , their Court of the Hustings ; which in that Law is spoken of as an antient Court : and all things of Moment seem to have been transacted there ; till the Numbers of Freemen so encreased , that they could not all meet in the Hall , but were forc'd to keep their Folkmotes in the open Air at St. Paul's Cross ; where was a very wide Field before there were Buildings to the Water-side . I shall not detain the Reader with the many Presidents of their Assemblies there upon all emergent Occasions ; but must observe , that as late as † 19 E. 2. they prescribed to a Right of holding Assemblies there . I shall give but one Instance , how early the Aldermen , with those who called themselves the more discreet of the City , would have usurp'd upon the Rights of the Commons in their Guildhall , or Folkmote in the open Air. At the end of H. 3 's Reign , the Citizens , according to Custom , had met in Guildhall for the Election of a Mayor : the Aldermen and more discreet of the City would have chosen Philip the Taylor ; the Commonalty contradicted it with great Noise , and chose one Hervey , and placed him in the Chair . Upon this the Aldermen and their Party complain to the King , that they were over-run by the Commonalty . The People follow'd them with great Noise , to the Disturbance of the King , who lay upon his Death-bed ; and cried , that they were the Commons , and to them belong'd the Election of a Mayor . The others said , they were the Head , and the People but the Members : the King's Council put them off till next Day , and bid Hervey not to come to Court with more than ten in his Company : However he summoned all the Citizens , except those who adhered to the Aldermen : And next Day a vast Number of Horse and Foot came to Westminster . The King's Council finding they could not agree , threatned to amove Hervey , and put a Custos over them . To avoid which they agreed , that five should be chosen of each side to settle who should be Mayor . However , this being in Diminution of the Right of the Commons , took no effect . H. 3. dying , the Archbishop , the Earl of Glocester , and others of the Nobility , came into the City , where they caused E. 1. to be proclaimed King ; and then went into Guildhall , where a Common Hall was then assembled ; and enquiring about the Business of the Mayor , the Aldermen told them , the Matter was left to Arbitration . The Earl of Glocester not valuing this , bids them hold a Folkmote the next Day at St. Paul's Cross ; and he should be the Mayor to whose Election the major Part of the City should assent . The great Men going into the Church with the Aldermen , perswaded them to yield : upon which Hervey was declared Mayor before all the People . And thus were they in full Possession of their Right , 1 E. 1. That this People who had the Right to carry Elections and other Matters in Guild-hall , or their Folkmote in the open Air , were the Freemen , appears by the Words of some of their Charters declaratory of their antient Right . Many of which are granted to the Citizens , which the Charter pass'd in Parliament 1 E. 3. explains , of Freemen of the City ; where it provides , that they shall not be impleaded or troubled at the Exchequer , or elsewhere , by Bill , except it be by those things which touch the King and his Heirs . And how careful the City has been to keep Foreigners from partaking in the Privileges of Freemen , appears from the Act of Common-Hall , return'd under the Common Seal into Parliament , * 12 E. 2. and there confirmed ; whereby it is provided , that if Foreigners be of any Mystery , they shall not be admitted into the Liberty of the City without Sureties of six honest Men of the Mystery , for their indempnifying the City : and if † they be of no Mystery , they shall not be admitted without the Assent of the Commonalty of the City . That the Freemen of the Mysteries had their several Gilds or Halls , where the Society or Fraternity met , not to mention more Authorities , appears by a Charter of ‖ E. 3. reciting one of E. 1. which recites H. 2 d's granting to the Weavers of London their Gild , to hold in London , with all Liberties and Customs which they had in the time of Henry his Grandfather , which was H. 1. * and that no Man , unless by them , should within the City meddle with their Ministry , unless he be in their Gild. As therefore the Gild was that Company , or the Hall where the Men of that Mystery met ; the Common Guildhall was where all the Mysteries or Companies met . ( 2. ) That whosoever are legally entituled to the Common Hall are entituled to all the Authority which the whole Body ever had , especially in those things wherein the present Possessors exercise any Authority ; though they are not the whole Body of Men who used to assemble , as long as they are a large Part of that Body , may appear . 1. In that the Folkmote in the open Air , and that in Guildhall , were antiently taken to be of the same Nature . Accordingly , I find † a Writ to the Mayor , Sheriffs , and whole Commonalty of the City , requiring them to swear Allegiance in their Hustings , or at Paul's Cross . 2. Guildhall has , time out of mind , been the * Common-Hall of the Citizens ; and the Assemblies there have of all times , before ‖ the first supposed Settlement of the Livery Common-Hall , and since † , been accounted the Assembly of all the Commonalty , as some Entries have it ; of all the City , as others . And if the whole City can regularly act together , it is absurd to imagine , that its Acts can be controled by a small part of the Great Body . 3. The chief Power of making By-Laws for the Benefit of a City , or Burrough , is an Incident to the having a Gild , or Common-Hall . Accordingly in the * Reign of H. 2. the Archbishop of York , by the Counsel of his Barons , granted to the Men of Beverlay in Yorkshire † their Hanse ; that there they may treat of their Statutes for the Honour of God and St. John , and the Canons , and for the bettering the whole Town ; with the same kind of Liberty as they of York have in their Hanse . H. 2. ‖ confirming this , grants to the Men of Beverlay free Burgage , according to the free Laws and Customs of the Burgesses of York , and their Gild of Merchants . So that Gild is the same with Hanse ; and Hanse , as Bertius * tells us , in the old German Tongue signifies a League or Council . According to this , in a Case which I shall have another Occasion to mention , the turning out of the Council of the Citizens was the turning out of the Gild , and that was plainly a Disfranchisement . 4 Such of the Commons as have from time to time assembled in the Common-Hall , have , with others , been a true Common-Council of the City , and acted as such since their Numbers have been restrained , as well as before . It must be observed , that the City had , or made , a Common-Council before any such Restraint ; which is plainly intimated in Magna Charta , † 17 of K. John : which mentioning a Common-Council of the Kingdom ( whether only for Aids belonging to Tenure of the Crown , or such a Common-Council as the Cities , Boroughs and Villages were at in Person or by Representation , which D. ‖ Brady at last yields , need not here be determined ) adds , In like manner let it be concerning the City of London , that is , that the Cities Aids shall be taxed in its Common-Council . * Sutably to this , 11 H. 3. a Tallage was assessed in the City , by the Will of all the Barons or Citizens . And thus the Commonalty of London , in the time of † Edw. 1. plead that the Citizens , and their Heirs and Successors may , for the Necessity or Profit of the City , among themselves , by their common Assent , assess and raise Tallages without troubling the King. So ‖ Ipswich , not to name other Burroughs , had its Common-Council of the Town , &c. And 25 H. 3. I find the Choice of Sheriffs in London by the Common Counsel and Assent of the honest Men of the City . The Hustings I find to be the Court of these honest Men ; there they joined with the Mayor and Aldermen in the Grants of City-Land ; were Judges at Trials , and Parties in the making By-Laws . Prosecutions for Offences against the Rights of the City were in their Name : And Quo Warranto's upon supposed Abuses of their Liberties were brought against them : And therefore they not being represented by the Common-Council , now using that Name ; those two great Ornaments of their Profession , the late and present Chief Justices of the Common Pleas , maintained , with the Strength inseperable from their Arguments ; that no Act of the present Common-Council could be a Forfeiture of the City-Charter . Indeed as the Clerks generally favoured the Prerogative , often exercised by the Chair , with the Advice of private Cabals ; I find a Mayor , 47 H. 3. blamed for making the Aldermen and great Men useless , while he did nothing without the Assent of the Commonalty . That they acted as a Council , and exercised a judicial Power at the Hustings , after that time , I might shew by numerous Instances , but shall here content my self with one , 3 E. 1. * which was in the Judgment against Hervey above-mentioned ; who , though he was the Darling of the People when he was chosen Chief Magistrate , was soon overcome with the Infection of the Chair . Some time after his Mayoralty , the Mayor and † Citizens having met in Guildhall for trying Common Pleas ; a Dispute arose before all the People between Hervey and the then Mayor , and it seems Hervey's Party there was then the strongest ; for the Mayor found himself obliged to withdraw , and make Complaint to the King. The ‖ next Day the Mayor and Citizens returning to Guildhall , to finish the Pleas depending before them ; a Roll was shewn , and read before all the People , containing several notorious Articles of Hervey's Presumptions ; one of which was , that in the time of * his Mayoralty he acted contrary to the Ordinances made by the Aldermen and discreet Men of the City . Another was , that he used the Common Seal , which was in his Custody , without the Assent of the Aldermen [ and others : ] which others , as I could shew , were to be particularly chosen by the Common-Hall , for that purpose . For these Offences , among others , † against the whole Commonalty of the City , and contrary to his Oath , he was judicially degraded from his Aldermanship , and ‖ for ever incapacitated to be of the Council of the Citizens : which was plainly a depriving him of his former Right of voting in Gildhall ; and indeed a Disfranchisement , as it turn'd him out of the Gild. And thus I * find Privileges in Canterbury granted to all the Burgesses of the Gild of Merchants . 5. The present Possession of the Common-Hall is or must be agreed to be a legal Possession : and therefore in all things which they have not parted with , the Possessors are the legal Successors to them who exercised Power in greater Numbers . 6. Even when those Numbers could regularly meet , they were concluded by such a Number as came upon general Notice , though the Number which met were very small ; according to the Resolution , 33 Eliz. † in the Case of the Vestry of St. Saviour's in Southwark . 7. ‖ Though it may be proved that the great Barons in Parliament were antiently only those who held by Baronies , or were created in Parliament ; yet those who have been made Peers by Patent or Writ , succeed to the same Jurisdiction ; as they are possessed of the same House which the Lords formerly had . 8. A Corporation by one Name is entituled to the prescriptional Rights which that City or Town had by another Name . And thus it was held , that though the * Town of Colchester was incorporated by the Name of Bayliffs and Commonalty ; the Mayor and Commonalty might prescribe to the antient Customs of that Town . That the Livery-men have such a Right to the Common-Hall , appears by their long Possession ; for which , according to the Resolutions of Judges before-mentioned , we are to presume , that there had been the express Assent of the Body of Freemen , or of such of them as met upon a general Summons . If I shew an Act of Common-Hall , as antient as the Time of E. 3. for the Mysteries to chuse such as should represent the Commons , which I shall have Occasion to shew under the next Head ; if we find that they had been represented in Common-Hall , by the Mysteries , before that Time , and downwards to this Day ; and no Act of Common-Council , or Common-Hall , will appear to have first settled the Right of Elections in the Livery-men of the Mysteries ; then it will be evident , that tho Originally the Mysteries might have been represented by such as they should chuse , from time to time ; It is to be presumed , that they agreed to be represented by the Livery-men , as a standing Representative . 8 E. 2. above 30 Years before the Pretence to any Act of Common-Council , or Common-Hall , which may be thought to restrain the Freemen from the exercice of the Power originally vested in them ; I find a Writ to prohibit the Multitude from meeting to chuse a Mayor , and Sheriffs , alledging , that such Elections for Times past , us'd to be made by the more discreet Men of the City , especially summon'd : But then , lest this special Summons should seem at the Discretion of the Mayor , and Aldermen , it forbids all to meet , unless specially summon'd , or [ at the Time bound to come ] . And a Proclamation which was publish'd in the City , in pursuance of that Writ , says , That no Man , upon pain of Imprisonment , shall come to any Election , but Mayor , Sheriff , Alderman , and other good People of the chief of the City , who by the Mysteries , are especially summon'd to come thither ; or to whom it belongs to be there . These Representatives of the Mysteries , according to what I have before observed of the legal Possession of the Common-Hall , are to be supposed to have been the Livery-men , and none others : but because the Partiality of the Masters and Wardens might occasion the not summoning some of the Livery-men ; therefore there is Liberty left for them who had Right , to come , though not summoned . That they and none others had this Right , will further appear when I come to prove , that no Act can be found , from whence their Right , exclusive of others , is or could be derived , or so much as occasioned . 3. That a Representation of the Commons by the Mysteries was settled in the Council-Chamber , with Authority to make By-laws , before any Common-Council of the present Form had any such Authority ; And however , that the very Being of a Council of the present Form was soon taken away by Act of Common-Hall ; and a Representation by the Mysteries settled in their Places with greater Authority , will appear very evidently . I must agree , that 20 E. 3. it was ordered by the Common-Hall , That every Alderman , at the holding of his Wardmote yearly , should cause 8 , 6 or 4 of the ablest and wisest of his Ward to be chosen , to treat of the Affairs concerning the Commonalty of the City . But upon this it is observable . 1. That though according to the Lord Coke the Wardmote is of the Nature of an Hundred Court ; that is , in relation to the Districts or Divisions of the City , and chiefly as to the Returns of Juries ; but in Relation to the present Debate , it is more fully of the Nature of a Court Leet , where all Resiants are obliged to attend , and upon the Account of Resiancy are to bear Offices ; and contribute in several things together with the Citizens , who in this Respect are as the Barons or Free-Tenents of a Mannor . Wherefore this Order does not restrain Foreigners from being Electors , or elected . 2. This is not said to be appointed for the Common-Council of the City ; but in truth the Common-Hall , as they were before , then continued the only Common-Council . Nor , taking the Original Entry of that Order to import more than [ Affairs ] , does the treating of [ the Affairs ] concerning the Commonalty , in this Place imply more than such Affairs as concern them , according to their Divisions by Wards , in the Choice of Constables , or the like ; or the assessing of Aids and Tallages : for which Purpose I find certain Numbers in every Ward , appointed very antiently , before there is the least Pretence of the Settlement of any other Common-Council besides the Common-Hall . But it is far from appearing , that the Men of the Wards appointed to treat of Affairs , 20 E. 3. were to treat of such as concerned the Commonalty , as divided or acting by Mysteries : Or , however , if the treating of Affairs extends to all the Affairs of the City ; it can here imply no more than treating of them by way of Advice , to that supreme Power in the City which made them what they were , and divested it self of no Authority : nor indeed could any form of Words have passed away the Authority of that , much less of succeeding Common-Halls . And it is certain , that antiently whatever Power the Common-Hall placed elsewhere , they never thought it abridg'd their own Power : of which I shall give a considerable Instance . 21 E. 1. The Commonalty of the City in their several Wards chose their Aldermen freely and with full Consent ; and presented them to the Custos then over them , in this form . That all and singular the Things which the said Aldermen of their Counsel and Discretion , with the Custos , and Superiour for the time being , should make and ordain to be firmly observed ; for the Government of the City , and for keeping the King's Peace ; and for [ other Provisions touching the Commonalty of the City , ] they will hold ratified and firm , without Challenge or Reclaim for the future to be made . And also every Ward chose its Alderman , for whom as to his Deeds touching the City and Commonalty , and State of the same , they will answer . Notwithstanding the Power so amply conferr'd upon those Aldermen , they did not pretend to use the common Seal without the express Consent of those who set them up , and could then pull them down at pleasure , at least at the Year's end . That very day after the Commons had presented their Aldermen in Common-Hall , a Grant of City-Land pass'd with the common Assent , and Consent of all then present . And that the Common-Hall thought themselves in full Possession of their Power , notwithstanding the Ordinance they had made 20 E. 3. for some to Treat about their Affairs ; appears in that they being found useless , or too assuming ; the Mayor , Aldermen and Commons , who seem to have turn'd them off * before ; within 23 or 24 Years after they had received them into their Service , and 28 or 29 Years after the City's Power of making By-Laws was first expresly affirmed by Charter ; referring † to that Grant , by common Assent , agree upon a method for putting it in Execution : but till then seem never to have exercised that Power otherwise than in Common-Hall : Then the Mayor and Aldermen [ by the Assent of all the Commons ] Ordain , and firmly establish for ever , as the most convenient manner they could find , to debate of the Mischiefs which had at that time been complained of ; and to eschew all Suspitions , and outragious Tumults , which often happen'd to great Assemblies ; that every Year against the day that the new Mayor shall be sworn , the Surveyors of every sufficient Mystery of the City shall assemble the Mysteries each by it self , where they shall please ; and * they shall chuse certain Persons in whom the Mysteries shall hold themselves content , with whatever shall by the Mayor , the Aldermen , and these chosen , be assented and ordained in the Guild-Hall ; and that these chosen and none others , be summon'd to the Election of Mayor , and Sheriffs ; and also at all times that any matter shall be touched at Guild-Hall , for which they ought to assemble and take Counsel of the Commons . Hence it appears ; 1. That this Provision agrees with what was 8 E. 2. affirm'd to have been the Custom then : so that this was but in Affirmance of the Custom . 2. That the Commons in Person , or by Representation , made a Council ; or Counsel was to be taken of them ; which comes to the same thing . 3. That whatever Representation may have been at some times , by certain Numbers out of the Wards , or any other way ; the settled Representation was by the Mysteries or Companies : and this amounted to a Repeal of all former Acts which might have placed this in others . 4. That they who were entituled to the Common-Hall for Elections , were to the Council-Chamber for making By-Laws . Thus it continued 50 E. 3. when the Commons having by their Common Sergeant complain'd , that the Mayors us'd to call together such mean People as depended upon them , and to pretend that what was done at such Meetings was with the Assent of the Commons : the Mayor , by Advice of several principal Citizens , summon'd the Mysteries , according to the Order of 43 or 44 E. 3. They meeting in great Numbers , the like Order as the former , and with the like Recital , was made by the Mayor and Aldermen , with the Assent of all the Commonalty . Indeed , they particularly provide , that at their Assemblies to treat and consult of the common Business of the City , no Action shall be try'd before them , if it does not touch at least an entire Ward , or a whole Mystery . And they restrain the Mysteries to a certain number of Representatives , providing that the greater Mysteries shall not send more than six , the less than four , and the least but two : But this was looked upon as too great a Restraint of Common-Right ; and therefore was never followed . A * Council being holden in the City 9 R. 2. about the Case of one John of Northampton , there met 13 of the Ward of Cordwayner-street . And I find it upon † Record , to have been one of the Articles in an Appeal brought against him , that against the meeting of every Common-Council in his Mayoralty , he caused a Man or two that for that Year was chosen to be in the Common-Council of the Crafts which held with him , to meet at a Tavern to prepare Matters for their carrying his Designs with one Voice at the Common-Council . And that in an Assembly at Goldsmiths Hall he caused Persons of divers Crafts more than were enter'd for the Common-Council , to be ‖ called at the day of Election into the Common-Council , to help his Election . Which not only shews that the Common-Council at that time was , as it is elsewhere call'd in those Articles , the Common-Council of Crafts ; but that they who made the Elections in Common-Hall made Ordinances in the Council-Chamber ( tho as it will appear they were to be ratified in Common-Hall , or else had no force : ) And that they were not confin'd to a certain number according to the Ordinance 50 E 3. or that 7 R. 2. which I shall soon consider . And argues strongly that those who were then brought upon the Livery , tho not before return'd , were held to have Right to be at the Elections , and Common-Councils . And it appears by most Entries concerning Elections from those times downwards to the present time ; that tho Orders have been made to keep some Elections within the Council-Chamber ; those Orders have been look'd on as absolutely void , and the Elections have been made by great multitudes , or the immense Community , as often stiled ▪ nor has the Common-Council assembled in the Council-Chamber kept within the number appointed by former Ordinances . But it is observable , that in H. 6 th's time the Common-Council is called Commune Concilium Ministratorum , that is , of those who exercised the Ministeries or Mysteries , as a Trade is call'd in H. 2 d's Charter to the Weavers Company . And it will appear by the By-Laws 7 and 15 E. 4. that the Common-Council then consisted of the Mysteries ; that is , as the Ordinance 15 E. 4. explains it , the Livery-Men of the Mysteries . And 6 H. 7. I find the Common-Council called the Common-Council of the Wardens , and other honest Men of all the Mysteries . According to which Instances it seems the Council appointed 7 R. 2. was very short-liv'd : and the present Common-Council must date it self from after the 6 th H. 7. 4. But whosoever are entituled to the Council-Chamber ; that the Council there is a meer Creature of the Common-Hall , and in the nature of a Committee entrusted with the dispatch of some things , and the preparing others in Ease of the Common-Hall ; and that they cannot deprive the Common-Hall of any Right ; may appear beyond Contradiction , if we consider , 1. The only Foundation upon which the present Common-Council now stands . 2. The nature of the Power of making By-Laws ; and some particular Evidences that that Power is subject to the Controll of the Common-Hall . ( 1. ) Some have supposed the present Common-Council to have had its Establishment and Settlement 20 E. 3. the contrary of which has appeared . But the true Foundation of such a sort of Establishment as it has , was the Act of Common-Hall , 7 R. 2. in the infamous Mayoralty of Brember , when John of Northampton before mentioned was ruined , for standing up for the Rights of the City ; in which he was * afterwards justified by Act of Parliament . Whereupon all the Ordinances made against him in the City were repealed by † the then Common-Council . The Act which gives some sort of Settlement to this Common-Council is as follows . On Friday next before the Feast of the Purification of the blessed Virgin Mary , in the 7 th Year of the Reign of King Richard II. in the Presence of the Mayor , Aldermen , and the immense Community ‖ of the honest and discreet Men of the said City , in Guildhall , for diverse Affairs touching the said City assembled ; the under-written * Petitions by the honest Men of the City before , by the Mayor , Aldermen , and Commonalty , chosen and assign'd † to ordain with mature Deliberation , how Judgments in times past in the Common-Council of the said City given and made were made by Noise more than by Reason , and sometimes by Men less sufficient deputed to the said Common-Council : for the taking which away , the said honest Men , in the said Assembly , with full Deliberation ordained the said underwritten Ordinances , and caus'd them to be read in form following , ‖ For as much as by Complaint of many honest Men of the Town , made to the Mayor that now is , how divers times in the Counseils used within the Hall and Chambers of the Guyhalde , great Rumour and Peril had been perceived , as well by great Assemblies , as often by insufficient Persons deputed to the said Counseils ; seeing that oftentimes the Judgments of the said Counseils were more by Clamour than by Reason , to the great Disturbance of the Peace , and Quiet between the People for times pass'd , and more likely to be in time to come , if Remedy be not provided . Whereupon , the Mayor , with the Aldermen , and the good Commons , chose certain Persons thereupon by Deliberation to advise them , how such Rumour and Peril might be eschewed and remedied : Which Persons being divers days assembled upon the Matter aforesaid , have [ by their Advice ] ordain'd , for remedying such Perils , the Articles after-written . If this please the Mayor , and the other good Men of the Town , to try for a time , to such intent , that if Good and Peace be found in such Counsels by the Ordinances after-written , in the Name of God let them be confirmed ; and if the contrary , as God forbid , that this may in time be amended , for the common Good of all the Town . For the continuing a Common-Council of the Town by sufficient Persons , as well of Substance as Sense , let it be Ordained ; " That every Year on the Day of St. Gregory , when the Aldermen are established for the Year ensuing , let them be firmly charged 15 Days after the said Day , to go to assemble their Wards ; and by good Deliberation , charge them to chuse Four of the most sufficient Persons that are in their Ward , without regard to the State which they bore before , to be of the Common-Council the Year ensuing : And the Names of the said Four to present to the Mayor for the time being ; which Persons shall be accepted by the Mayor , and commanded to take their Oath as is comprized in Writing heretofore made . Provided always , that the Mayor for the time being shall not receive throughout the Town , of any Mystery , for the Common-Council more than Eight Persons of a Mystery : Altho it happen that more than Eight of one Mystery be presented and chosen , &c. Which Ordinance was approved , and confirmed to endure for ever . Here it is observable , 1. That at the time of this Common-Hall , there was no standing Common-Council other than the Common-Hall , all others being discontinued ; and that before that time , the Common-Council filled both the Hall and Chambers belonging to it : And Matters were carried as the noise was communicated , from one place to the other . 2. That the Persons who are said to have made the Ordinance were only a Committee , appointed and chosen by the Mayor , Aldermen , and Commons , for that single Purpose , and for that Time only . 3. They suppos'd Themselves , and all Common-Councils for the future , according to the Provision then made , to have no farther Power , than to prepare Matters for the Common Hall , and propound them for their Fiat . 4. They do not propound the Constitution of that Common-Council as an absolute Form ; but that it may continue as long as it proves convenient , and that it may be try'd for a time . 5. Therefore the Establishment , according to the very Words , as well as the Nature of the thing , is of no farther force than as a probationary Order ; to be observed only till the Common-Hall should think fit to set it aside . 6. As they who propound this Ordinance , in relation to that Body of which they were part , were Inferiours , and therefore Petitioners , to the Body assembled in Common-Hall ; they set a good Example to all future Common-Councils . But that the Common-Hall has not thought it self bound always since that Act of Common-Hall , which ratified the Ordinance above , to keep to that Form of Common-Council there appointed , we may gather from the Entries , which argue Representations at Councils after that , by the Mysteries . 'T is certain , the Number of Common-Council-men appointed 7 R. 2. was never kept to ; no not the very next Year : For then , as has before appeared in the Case of John of Northampton , the Representation was by the Mysteries , and sent from the several Halls . And in the Year after that , there were in the Council-Chamber , 13 of Cordwayner-Street ; that is , as I should think , Cordwayner's Mystery . And it is certain , Companies used antiently to keep together within the same Streets , or Districts . And some Wards to this very day retain the Names of the Companies , or Guilds , which liv'd there ; as the last above-named , Candlewick-Ward and the Vintry . And Cornhil-Ward , as I take it , was from the Gild settled there . Nor can I omit the Observation , that in some (a) Records I find Ward and Gild , or Company , synonymous . 2. Having trac'd this Common-Council to its weak and infant State , we may consider it as possessed of a Power of making By-Laws : But then we must observe , that this will bear no Comparison to the Possession which the Livery-men have of the Common-Hall , which has been exclusive of all others . Whereas all the Possession which the present Common-Council have had of the Common-Chamber , has been only as a Committee entrusted by a greater Court , having Continuance , and acting with Supream Authority . Besides , it has been resolved by the Judges , That a By-Law to make a Monopoly , and a Prescription of such a Nature , to induce a sole Trade or Traffick to a Company or Person , and to exclude all others , is against Law. Which is easily applicable to the Common-Council's engrossing the Power of the Common-Hall . It would be endless to heap Authorities which might be brought to evince , that the Common-Council has no colour of Pretence to make By-Laws , of such a Nature as they now insist upon . But I cannot pass by the Resolution in the Case of the Chamberlain of London , in an Action brought by him for a Penalty raised by a By-Law . All such Ordinances , Constitutions , or By-Laws , are allowed by the Law , as are made for the true and due Execution of the Laws or Statutes of the Realm ; or for the good Government and Order of the Body-corporate : And all others which are contrary , or repugnant to the Laws or Statutes of the Realm , are void and of no effect . To apply this to the Case in Question ; for the Common-Council to vacate an Election made in Common-Hall , or to exempt any Person from being chosen , is not for the good Government and Order of the Body-corporate ; and besides , is directly contrary or repugnant to the Laws and Statutes of the Realm , which have fixed the Election of any sufficient Citizen in the Livery Common-Hall ; and have provided it with Authority to oblige them to hold : And therefore any By-Law made in the Common-Council contrary to this Right , is void . Nay , and thus they themselves have judg'd but lately in the like Case . In the Mayoralty or Sir John Fleet , he acquainted the Common-Council , that 40 or 50 foreign Merchants would pay 400 l. a-piece to the use of the Orphans , if they might be admitted to the Freedom of the City , and have an Act of Common-Council to exempt 'em from bearing chargeable Offices . After several long Debates , this Project , though of apparent Advantage to the City , was laid aside ; the Common-Council declaring it was not in their Power , to restrain the Right of the Common-Hall to chuse any sufficient Citizen . The Opinion of the Learned Judg Bracton , is very applicable to this Matter ; where speaking of the English Laws , he says ; Which since they were approved by the Consent of those who use them , and confirmed by the Oaths of Kings , cannot be changed or destroyed , without the common Consent , and Counsel , of those by whose Counsel , and Consent , they were promulged . But they may be changed for the better ; because that is not destroyed which is made better . With such a Limitation we may allow the Common-Council to act for the Ease of the Common Hall , in relation to Times , Places , and other Circumstances ; for the better Execution of the Laws and Customs of the City . But that the Power of making By-Laws , exercised by the Common-Council , is controlable by the Common-Hall , will , besides what I have already observed , appear by the Charter 15 E. 3. which is the only Charter expresly affirming the City's Power of making By Laws . Moreover , we have granted , that if any Customs in the City of London , [ newly arising ] where a Remedy was not before ordain'd [ want Amendment ] the said Mayor and Aldermen , and their Heirs and Successors [ with the Assent of the Commonalty of the same City ] remedy convenient , consonant to good Faith and Manners , for the common Vtility of the Citizens of the said City , and other our Liege People flocking to the same , may apply and ordain , as often , and when it shall seem expedient to ' em . Provided ☜ nevertheless , That such kind of Ordinance be of Utility to us , and our People , and consonant to good Faith , and Reason as abovesaid . According to this Charter , 1. The Power of making By-Laws relates to Amendments for the common Utility of the Citizens . 2. Those Amendments cannot sap , or weaken any antient Constitution or Custom . 3. They are to be made with the Assent of the Commonalty of the City . Neither of which can be pretended in the Matter in question : And since , as is said in the Chamberlain's Case , Corporations cannot make Ordinances or Constitutions without Custom or the King's Charter , unless for things which concern the Publick Good , as Reparations of Churches , or High-ways , and the like ; but the Power now claimed , is neither of that Kind , nor is there Legal Custom or Consent or Charter for it : I need raise no Consequence upon it . To conclude this Point ; if this Common-Hall legally succeeds the Common-Hall which appointed this Committee ; and the Committee may be set aside at the Pleasure of the Common-Hall ; if since the raising this Committee , and that of late days , the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council , have acted together as one Court : If farther , as in the Case of Rowlet , before-mentioned ; they have acted with a Superior Authority in those very things , wherein the Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council , have exercised Authority by themselves ; if most of these Premises hold , especially if all do ; there can be no Question but By-Laws , and other Acts of the Common-Council , are controlable by the Common-Hall : and then it would be very strange to imagine that it should be in the Power of the Common-Council to take away , or abridg , any Right of its Superior , from whence it came , and in which it is contain'd . I shall not so much question the Judgment or Memory of my Readers , as to repeat the Proofs of every one of these Premises . But I would desire 'em to remember the Instances of Disfranchisements by Common-Hall , before any standing Rule for ' em . This Power , I must confess , the Common-Council have pretended to ; and as if they not only had it , but had it without delegation , have fansied they could delegate it to others . Accordingly I find an Act of Common-Council , impow'ring the Mayor and Aldermen to Disfranchise , upon competent Proof by Oath , before them , of any Citizen's Trespass , Act , Disobedience , or Offence , against the City , and the Liberties , Franchises , and free Customs and Privileges of the same . Which would be a very dangerous Weapon in the Hands of Aldermen , who by Act of Parliament obtain'd by Surprize , and contrary to the Sense of the City , declared more than once , and ratified by former Parliaments , have their Stations , in effect , for their Lives . But as it appears by the Resolution in Baggs's Case , the above-mention'd Act of Common-Council is void in Law ; no such Power having been derived to them by the express words of any Charter , or Prescription . Yet this Power the Common-Hall undoubtedly has , and , I may say , incommunicably , till that part of their Court , or the Committee from them , which sits in the Council-Chamber , shall have legally possess'd themselves of the Hall. I shall add but one Precedent , of many , where the Mayor , Aldermen , Common-Council , and Commons , acted together as one Court , and true Common-Council of the City ; and that since the time that the present Common-Council , and Livery Common-Hall , are suppos'd to have been setled . A Mayor * dying in his Mayoralty , the Locum tenens , or Senior Alderman , with the rest of the Aldermen , appoint a Day for the choice of a new Mayor ; and order the Servants of the Chamber to summon the immense Community of the City . There met the ‖ Common-Council , and the immense Multitude of Commoners , in their last Livery but one . Aylmer was there chosen Mayor , and sworn before the Aldermen , and Commons . In that Common-Hall they , after the Election was over , acted together as a Council : For whereas the Mayor should , as it seems , according to the usual course in such Cases , have been sworn to the King the next Day ; The Aldermen , and Commons , for certain Reasons moving them thereto , appointed a farther Day . That the Commons who did this were the Livery-men , appears by what immediately follows in the same Entry : Where it is said , That the Aldermen conducted the new Mayor to the taking his Oath , in their Violet-colour'd Gowns , and the Common in their last Livery . 5. That there is no colour to believe , That the Common-Hall , as now compos'd , receiv'd its Being , or Authority , from such a Common-Council as now acts , or from any thing but the general Consent of the Free-men , express'd in some Act of Common-Hall before the time of E. IV. or implied in the long submission of the rest of the Free-men , before that time , may sufficiently appear by what has been prov'd under former Heads : And yet if any Act or Acts of Common-Council , in the Reign of E. IV. were the occasion of Elections having been restrain'd to the Livery-men , it may appear by what has been formerly shewn , That the submission of the Free-men , implied in the Custom ever since that time , gave the only force to that Restriction ; that of it self carrying no manner of Authority to diminish the Right of the Common-Hall . But any one , who remembers the Evidence that the Mysteries had Representatives of their own , before the time of E. IV. and the Legal Presumption , that those Representatives were the Livery-men , will be more fully satisfied , that they were so before the time of E. IV. when he observes the words of those Orders , which are pretended to have given Being to the Livery Common-Hall . The first Order is thus : At a Common-Council holden on Wednesday , in the 7th Year of the Reign of King Edward the Fourth , it was agreed by John Young Mayor , John Norman , &c. Aldermen , and the Commonalty of the City of London , ( inter alia ) That the Election of the Mayor and Sheriffs , shall hereafter be made [ only by the Common-Council : ] The Master and Wardens of every Mystery of the said City coming in their Liveries ; and by other honest Men for that purpose specially summoned . 1. It must be remember'd , That the Common-Council in Hen. the Sixth's time , was the Council of the Mysteries ; and consequently , unless an alteration can be shewn , must be thought to have continued so at the time of that Order , 7 E. IV. 2. This Representation of the Commons being so large as has appear'd above , their Act is call'd , The Act of the Commonalty of the City : And this we must suppose to have been made in Common-Hall . 3. None besides the Masters and Wardens are by this Act oblig'd to come in Liveries . 4. Here is no restriction of Elections to the Liveries ; but to the Common-Council : That is , as is there explained , the Masters , and Wardens , and other honest Men of the Mysteries , specially summoned . To which special Summons , as has been shewn before , the Livery-men , and no others , were entituled . Wherefore , this was no more than a repeating , or affirming , former Orders , often occasioned upon the breaking in of other Free-men , to the disturbance of Elections , before plac'd in the more discreet , which the Custom has interpreted to be the Livery-men : Who , according to this Ordinance with which the present Common-Council triumph , were the only Common-Council at that time . And thus , as appears by the Entry before-cited , 6 Hen. VII . they continued after this Ordinance , and after the next , 15 E. IV. which has these words . Then in the same Common-Council it is agreed , That the Master and Wardens of the Mysteries of the City , in their Halls , or other Places of the City , fit and convenient ; associating to them the honest Men of their Mysteries , being clothed in their last Livery , shall go together to the Guild-Hall of their City , for the Election of Mayor , &c. And in their last Livery but one , to the Election of the Sheriffs of the City , &c. And that no others , besides the honest Men of the Common-Council of the City , shall be present at the said Elections . All that this adds to the former Provision , 7 E. IV. is only the requiring all the Livery-men , for distinction's sake , to go in their Liveries , to prevent the interposition of others . Which was no restraint upon Persons ; but a requiring the Persons who came according to their former Right , to wear their proper Habit , to distinguish 'em from others . Some may suppose , that this speaks of honest Men of the Common-Council , besides the honest Men of the Mysteries : Whereas the Common-Council is plainly here mentioned as exegetical , or explanatory , of the honest Men of the Mysteries : That is to say , such honest Men of the Mysteries as are of the Common-Council , and no others , shall be present at the Elections : Which , as has appear'd , were , long before that Ordinance , the Livery-men only . If this and the other be not taken in this Sense , then they neither confine the Election to Livery-men ; nor suppose the Livery-men only , to have right to come ; but allow any Commoner , who is chosen to the Common Council , to Vote at the Elections , tho' no Livery-man : Whereas they who would derive the Authority of the Common-Hall from these Ordinances , suppose , that they restrain Elections to the Livery-men only . But , could it be imagin'd , that those Ordinances , or either of them is , or are conceiv'd in terms importing a restriction of Elections to the Livery-men ; and that the Ordinances were made by a Common-Council chosen by the Wards , it appears by the Ordinance which laid the moveable Foundation , upon which following Common-Councils of the Wards have built up themselves ; besides , other Evidences of the Superior Authority continuing in the Common-Hall , ( the true Common-Council of the Mysteries or Crafts , as it is called 8 R. II. ) That the force of such restraint could not proceed from the Authority of the Common-Council ; but that subsequent Common-Halls not having thought fit to alter this ; and the generality of the Free-men having rested contented with their Livery-men ; Such Sufferance and Consent has made that become a legal Settlement , which at first could be no more than Matter of Advice . And , according to this , I find Writs from the Crown , and Acts of Common-Council , place the legality of such Restrictions in the Custom of the City . But I must submit to Consideration , whether there is not better ground to believe , That the Livery-men were the standing Representatives of the rest of the Free-men , before ever such a Council as now acts had any setled Being ; or , at least , before the time of E. IV. than there is to think , that the Words of either of the Ordinances of his time , so much as recommend any other designation of Electors , than what Custom , and consequently the Consent of the Free-men , had setled before . In short , it has appear'd , That the Resolution of the Judges , cited on the other side , and more particularly , mother upon the like Occasion us'd by me , are strong for the Common-Hall . That according to that very Act of Common-Council , 7 Car. I. on which the Vindicator relies , no Man chosen Sheriff is dischargeable , unless for want of sufficiency in Estate : Nor is there any ground for other Exemption : And whatever Discharge or Exemption may have been given by any besides the Common Hall ; the Party is nevertheless elegible , as if he had never been discharged , or exempted . This is made yet more evident , by comparing the Act of Common-Council , 7 Car. I. with former Acts : But chiefly , with the Act of Common-Hall , 24 E. III. which was reinforc'd , 18 Hen. VIII . and to this very Day stands in full Virtue , declaring the Sense of the Body of Free-men , That for the Common-Council to vacate or defeat their Elections , is to the Prejudice of particular Persons , who are oblig'd to serve , through Default of others ; and of the whole City in general , who may want sufficient Persons to serve : Or , at least , cannot find Men of the like Qualifications in every respect , with those whom they first chose . If we look into the Custom , it is manifest , That the Authority of the Common-Hall , and of none besides , to Discharge , or Exempt , has been fully exerted ; and own'd , not only by Common-Councils , but by the Crown ; and that in Times neither too long since past , nor such wherein Precedents on the side of the Commons could have obtain'd , if their Right had not been undoubted . And , as this Authority has been exercised by the Common-Hall , before ever any Common Council of the present Form or Nature , had a setled Being ; so it has been after ; and since the Time that the Vindicator supposes the Livery Common Hall to have been instituted . And the seeming Practice of later Days to the contrary , has been of such kind , as has been far from proving any Authority to go along with Acts of Common-Council , for the discharging or exempting any one Person . The Discharge arising from the Common-Hall's proceeding to a new Choice . Farther yet , if either By-Laws or Custom , or both , have crept in to the seeming Diminution of the Right of the Electors ; as has appeared ; they would have been void in Law , being contrary to their Common-Law Right declared by Charters , and confirmed by Acts of Parliament . And whatever Force , Custom and By-Laws , supposing them clear , might have had against Rights so established , the Act of Restitution , 2 W & M. being made while the Commons were in Possession of their Power , to oblige the Person whom they had chosen to hold , notwithstanding any pretended Discharge ; certainly wrought a Remitter to their antient Right . And this was remitted and restored to the Livery-men . I may add , that by the express Words of that Statute it is enacted , that the several Companies , that is , the Mysteries ( so often named in the City-Journals ) shall have all their lawful Liberties ; and particularly every Person admitted into the Freedoms or Liberties of the Companies , shall enjoy the Rights and Privileges of a Freeman , and Livery-man . Which confirms the Livery-men in the Possession of the Common-Hall , with all the Rights and Incidents belonging to that Possession . And whereas the Vindicator supposes that the Common-Council can set aside the Rights and Privileges of the Livery-men , as they of the Common-Council are the City's Legislators . If they were such , the Restrution , 2 W. & M. settles the Livery men beyond being shaken by any Authority within the City , for the making By-Laws . And in truth the Authority of making By-Laws , both at Common-Law , and by Charter , originally rested with the whole Body of Freemen ; and has formerly been regularly exercised by the whole Body , in their Assemblies in Guildhall , or other Folkmote . The Exer●ice of this has by Custom been confined to Guildhall ; and is now become impracticable elsewhere . Of this Common-Hall , and the Authority of this Court , the Livery-men , with the Mayor and Aldermen , were in full legal possession , before such a Common Council as now acts had any settled Being : nor has any Act of Common-Council so much as occasioned the Privileges of the Livery-men , much less has it created them . But , according to the Presumption of Law , they have had an uninterrupted Possession from before 8 E. 2. nor does it appear that any Man can gave any Vote among them , otherwise than as a Livery-man , ; the Right of Suffrages in the Common-Hall being settled in the Livery-men ; who have been , and yet are the true Common-Council of the ●ity On the other side , that which now obtains the Name of the Common-Council , has been from its several Institutions , and yet is , a mere Creature of the Common-Hall , and dependent upon its Pleasure : at the most is but of the Nature of a Committee , and has no greater or higher Relation than of a Part to the whole : and whether it acts by it self , or in Conjunction with the greater Body ; must be concluded by the Majority . To close this Argument , which may seem tedious to many ; and , yet possibly , is no more labour'd than the strength of Prepossession requires ; I may well say , with the Vindicator , While some strive to make Breaches , my business shall be to promote Peace . But it must be consider'd , That Men have very different Notions of Peace . When our Governors , in Church and State , valued themselves upon the Peacefulness of former Reigns ; many , who now would have the Commons of the City of London to sacrifice their Right , to the quieting this Controversie , were thought properly to have applied that old Sarcasm ; " They make Solitude , and call it Peace . For my part , I always thought the asserting and adhering to the Fundamental Constitution of the Great Community in the first place ; and next of the City of London , which , according to the Confessor's Law , is the Head of the Great Body , to be the best means to secure such a Peace , as English Men may rejoice to transmit to Posterity . And I cannot but hope , That both Sides may receive this my sincere Endeavour , as a seasonable Peace-Offering . FINIS . Sold by Richard Baldwin near the Oxford-Arms in Warwick-lane . Price 6 d. Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A26181-e110 The Question , Of the Resolution of the Judges , 40 & 41 Eliz. Vid. 〈◊〉 . de jure belli & pacis . Of By-Laws , particularly that 7 C. 1. Vid. Vindic. Vid. inf . Vid. inf . Of By-Laws before 7 C. 1. In Archiv . Civ . Lib. Dunthorr . f. 416. B. & Lib. O. f. 10. a. The Act of Common-Hall , 24 E. 3. In Arch. Civ . Lib. O. f. 10. 18 H. 8. In Arch. Civ . Lib. O. f. 53. Of the Act of Common-Counc . 19 H. 8. In Arch. Civ . Lon. 13 Eliz. The Act of Common-Council , 13 Eliz. Of the Act of Common-Counc . 34 Eliz. Com , Council , 7 C 1. Deucy Mayor . This Part omitted by the Vindicator . Of the Custom . * In Arch. Civ . Lond. lib. D. f. 76. b. Causton 's Case . ‖ Solemniter vocatus . * Depositus fuit à libertate & de Aldermannia . ‖ Posuit se in gratia Maj. Ald. & Communitatis . * Maj. Aldris . & coitat . super hoc eodem die consultis . Habitoque respectu ad impotentiam , &c. In Arch. Civ . I. Lib. O. f. 10. A. 18. H. 8. Of several Elections , and two Discharges by the Common Hall in one Day . 2d Choice . 3d Choice . 4th Choice . 5th Choice . In Arch. Civ . Journal Seym. 1.163 . A. 21 H. 8. Ralph Rowlet 's Case . Fol. 165. In Arch. Civ . li● Q. f. 35. a. 33 ● VIII . Richmond 's Case . Note , This was upon the Hustings in Guild-Hall . Vid. Infra . Of a Discharge in the Common-Hall , 1 Eliz. * 4. Rep. f. 93. That if the By-Laws and Custom were on the Side of the Lord Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council : Such By-Laws and Custom would be void in Law. Lib. K. f. 120. temp . H. 6. That for any to amove or discharge Sheriffs , but the Electors , is contrary to their Common Law-Right . * Lambert 's Archaionomia , f. 148. Fundata enim erat ad instar & ad modum & in memoriam maguae Trojae & usque in hodiernum diem , &c. † Vid. Rot. Cart. 1 E. 3. m. 45. n. 76. By I nspex . 1 R. 2. m. 31. n. 22. & 2 E. 4. pars 5. m. 23. ‖ Placita coram Rege apud Ebor . 1 E. 3. * Journal Seym. f. 385. h. 25 H. 8. ‖ Vid. Bir. Cor. sub effi●ie Claudil A. 3. Coronatio Regis Athelredi An. 989. & H 1. An. 11 co . * Lib. E. f. 174. a 2 E. 3 coram Rege . Vid. Mitton's c. 4. rep . Tho. the King even before he makes a Sheriff grant away the Office of County Clerk , the King's Grant is void , because it is an Incident to the Sheriff's Office , † Vid. Selden's Tit. of Honour , f. 587. 15 Johannis omnes milites Ballivae tuae qui sum moniti fuerunt ad nos , &c. Rot. Claus . 38. H. 3. m. 7. n. 12. d. Omnes de Ballivâ tuâ qui tenent 20 horat . terrae , &c. ‖ Lib. C. f. 111. n. 32. E. 1. * Vid. Grot. de veritate Religionis Christianae . † Vid. this in the printed Charters , p. 13. and in several Inspeximus's . * A 〈◊〉 place for Great Councils in the open Air. Hence call'd Pratum Concilii . Vid. Rot. Cart. 7 R. 2. m. 8. n. 11. A Charter of Cnute's , with the Advice of his Redgynen wisemen . ‖ Rot. Cart. 1 R. 2. m. 31. n. 37. 7 R. ● . n. 37. † Rot. Cart. 2 E. 4. pars 5. m. 23. * Vid. Lib. Q. Arch. Civ . L. ‖ 7 H. 4. c. 1. Lib. Dunthorn , f. 442. a. 6. H. 5. † Mora questione inter Dominos de Consilio Regis mittebatur , &c. ‖ Quòd inter ceteras libertates Civibus L. concessus ac in diversis Parl. Ratificat . &c. Vid. Infra . A Question , whether the Cōmon Hall could barr themselves of this Right . * Survey of Hobbs 's Leviathan . ‖ Grot. de Jure Belli & pacis , lib. 4. c. 12. Not parted with by Implication from a suppos'd Custom . 4. Rep. 1 H. IV. f. 1. * Rot. Parl. 2 H. IV. n. 30. Vid. Journals of the House of Lords , Jan. 1689. Jan. 14. 1689. Of Rights of Boroughs , not loss'd by discontinuance . Vid. The Resolutions sup . ‖ Vid. Pryn 's 4 th Register of Writs , p. 1176. (b) Pr●n 's 4 th Reg. p. 900. 28 E. 1. 1 E. 2. 2 E. 2. none since till late days . (c) lb. p ●05 . 26 E. 1. not before or since , tell ut s●pra . (d) lb p. 1●5● . 26 E. 1 〈…〉 . (e) P. 1180. 26 E. 1. not before or since , till . 8 J. 1. * Vid. Inspex . Rot. Cart. 7. R. 2. m. 8. n. 11. † Cart. Antiq. in Tur. Lond. Litera P. n. ● . ‖ Cart. Orig. Bib. Cotton . Of the Choice of Common-Council Men. Vid. Act of Com. Council , Anno 1692. f. 2. Of Resolutions of Ju●●es to this Point . Bulstrod , f. 71. Corp. of Colchester . Vid. 1 st Inst . f. 347. Lit. Sect. 695. Stat. 2. W. & M. Sess . 1. C. 8. The higher Controversy rais'd by the Vindicator . P. 1 , 2 , 3. Of the Authority of the Common-Hall . Of the Rights and Liberties belonging to the Body of Freemen . (a) Lambert 's Archionomia , f. 148. (b) That is their Earl , or other chief Commander . (c) His Reign began , Ann. 924. ended 940. (d) Vid. Corpus Legum in Bibliothecâ Cottonianâ sub E●fi● . Claudii D. f. 14. c. (e) Hoc est constitutum quod Episcopi , & Prepositi qui Londinensi Curiae pertinent , e●ixerunt & jure jurando confirmaverunt , in suo Fridegildo . Comites & villani in adjectione judiciorum quae apud Grate leiam , &c. (f) Excipiatur imprimis captale repetentis , & dividatur postea superplus , &c. (g) Diximus ut unusquisque nostrum ponat unum denarium ad nostrum commodum , &c. (h) Et habeamus nobis omnes eam inquisitionem . (i) Fraternities by Tens . (k) Quando ipli gildare debebunt . (l) Et quid recipiant , si nobis Pecunia surgat , à nostro communi locutione . * Vid. Leges Sancti Edw. Declaring they shall be held weekly every Monday , and so in Charters after tha● time . † Mic. 19 E. 2. coram Rege Rot. 22. Lib. de antiquis Legibus in Archiv . Civ . f. 132. a. A. 1272 * Rot. Par. 12 E. 2. m. 2. par . 2. † Et si non sint de certo mysterio , tune in libertatem non admittantur sine assensu communitatis civit . illius . ‖ Rot. cart . 1 E. 3. m. 33. n. 68. * Ib. Et quod nullus nisi petillos incromittat infra civir . de cor . ministerio ; nisi fit in eor . gilda . † In Arch. Civ . lib. de antiq . leg . de A. 1270. 54 H. 3. in Hustingo vestro vel ad crucem , &c. * Rot. de 18 E. 1. A Grant of a Message prope communem aulam in civitate Lond. ‖ In Arch. civ . Lib. Dunthorn , f. 416. The Ordinance 20 E. 3. De assensu totius communitatis in Gihaldâ † Lib. X. f. 73. 13 Eliz. congregatio Majoris , Ald. & totius civitatis in Gihaldâ . * Cartae antiq . in Tur. Lond : R. n. 18. † Suam Hansiam , &c. ‖ Ibid. * Bertius de Urbibus Germaniae , p. 25. ●oedus & concilium prisca Germanorum voce Hansan dicunt . † An. 1215. 17 J. ‖ Vid. Dr. B's Appendix to his compleat History . * Rot. Claus . 11 H. 3. † Lib. Dunthorn in Arch. Civ . f. 89. temp . E. 1. ‖ Rot. cart . 4 Joh. p. 2. m. 28. n. 188. Gipsewich Burgus , Quod iidem Burgenses nostri per commune concilium villarae suae eligant , &c. Lib. D. f. 46. 25 H. 3. * In Arch. Civ . Lib. de antiquis legibus 3 E. 1. † Venientibus Maj. & Civibus ad Gildhalliam ad coia placita placitanda ‖ Pervenientibus Majore & Civibus in Gildhalliam ad placita quae incoata fuerunt , &c. * Tempore Majoratus sui tenetur conservare & observari facere omnes assisas factas per Aldermannos & discretiores viros civitatis , &c. † Contra totam communitatem civitatis , &c. ‖ Et à consilio civium in perpetuū privatus * Rot. Cart. 2 Joh. m. 16. n. 44. † Lane 's Rep. f. 21. ‖ Vid. communia de term . St. Hil. 19 E. 2. Rot. penes rememb . in secio where Thomas de Furnival pleads , That he was no Baron , nor held his Land by Barony , or part of a Barony ; yet Father and Son had been specially summoned to a great many Parliaments from the 3d of E. 1. downwards . Vid. Rot. Claus . 23 E. 1. m. 9. dorso 24 E. 1. m. 7. dorso , &c. * Carter 's Reports , f. 122. Rot. Claus . 8 E. 2. m. 3. Temporibus retroactis . In Arch. Lib. Dunthorn . f. 313. a. 414. b. Etautres bones gentz de la dite Citee que per ministrez de mesine la Citee illoques avenir especialment sont somons , &c. A Representation by Mysteries first settled in the Council-Chamber with Authority to make By-laws . Vid. A Paper entituled , The Right of the Citizens to elect Sheriffs , &c. citing the Books in Gild-hall , 20 E. 3. This , according to the Reference which I have to that time , is Lib. Dunthorn , f. 416. b. 417. a. In Arch. civ . lib. C. f. 6. a. 21 E. 1. Ibid. * 43 or 44 E. 2. † In Arch. civ . Lond. lib. Legum , à 15. E. 3. * Et islirent , certain Persons en qui eux ils se tendront content . &c. In Arch. civ . L. lib. H. f. 45. 50 E. 3. Ward Mayor . * In Arch. civ L. lib. H. f. 198. b. † Rot. in ●ur . Lond. 8 R. 2. ‖ Cleped . Journ . Foster . f. 1●6 . a. 210 , b. 218. b , 32 , & 33 H. 6. ●id Inf. Lib. L. f 〈…〉 6 H. 〈…〉 Mai A. 〈…〉 mu●● . 〈…〉 Gard●● 〈…〉 & al. 〈◊〉 ru●n 〈◊〉 omnium ●●●steria●um . The Common-Council a Creature of the Common-Hall . The Foundation of the present Common-Council . * In Arch civ . lib H. f. 262. b. 15 R. 2. † Ib. f. 300. a. 18 R. 2. In Arch. civ . lib. H. f. 173 , & 197. ‖ Immensae Communitatis , proborum , &c. * ●ot . Petitions . † This seems not very good sense : but the Original is Ad ordinandum cum maturâ deliberatione quomodo judicia tempore praeterito in Communi Concilio reddita & facta , &c. fiebant . ‖ Par causeque , &c. Note , They chosen only to advise the Mayor , Aldermen , and Commons . Note , A probationary Order . Note , The Aldermen used to be chosen annually . Vid. The rest in the Right of the Common-Hall , &c. Rot. Pat. 21 H. 6 p. 1. M. 25. To several Parishioners there . (a) Vid. Rot. Pat. 12 E. 2. m. 5. n. 4. pro mercatoribus de societate Gardarum de Florentiâ . Of the Nature of By-Laws , and the Common-Council's Pretence to make ' em . Moor 's Rep. f. 576 , & 591. 5 Rep. f. 63. Anno 1693. Bracton , lib. 1. c. 2. Temp. H. 3. Vid. By Inspect . Rot. Cart. R. 2. M. 31. n. 22. 5 Rep. sup . Journal Cotes , f. 103. 36 H. 8. Bagg 's Case , 11. Rep. f. 99. * In Arch. Civ . Journal Haddon , f. 34. a. and b. Aylmer Mayor , 23 H. 7. ‖ Commune consilium ac immensa multitudo communario um in penultimâ liberaturâ . Note , This is not according to the Ordinance , 15 E. 4. Communiarii in ultima liberaturâ . That the present Common-Hall did not receive its Being , or Authority , from such a Common-Council as now acts , &c. Vindic. p. 2. Li. l. Young Mayor . Vindic. p. 3. Lib. L. f. 113. Vindic. p. 8. Caput legum & Regni .