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             His Maiesties most gracious message, May the 12th. from Holdenby, to the Lords and Commons in the Parliament of England, assembled at Westminster, and the Commissioners of the Parliament of Scotland. With his answer to the propositions.
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           HIS
           MAIESTIES
           Most
           Gracious
           MESSAGE
           ,
           MAY
           the
           12th
           from
           HOLDENBY
           ,
           To
           the
           LORDS
           and
           COMMONS
           in
           the
           Parliament
           of
           ENGLAND
           ,
           Assembled
           at
           WESTMINSTER
           ,
           And
           the
           Commissioners
           of
           the
           Parliament
           of
           SCOTLAND
           ,
           With
           his
           Answer
           to
           the
           Propositions
           .
        
         
           LONDON
           ,
           Printed
           for
           RICHARD
           ROYSTON
           ,
           1647.
           
        
      
    
     
       
       
       
         
           His
           MAIESTIES
           most
           gracious
           Message
           from
           HOLDENBY
           ,
           
             May
          
           12.
           1647.
           
        
         
           
             C.
             R.
             
          
        
         
           AS
           the
           daily
           expectation
           of
           the
           comming
           of
           the
           Propositions
           hath
           made
           his
           Majesty
           this
           long
           time
           to
           forbeare
           giving
           his
           Answer
           unto
           them
           ,
           so
           the
           appearance
           of
           their
           sending
           being
           no
           more
           for
           any
           thing
           he
           can
           heare
           ,
           then
           it
           was
           at
           his
           first
           comming
           hither
           ,
           notwithstanding
           that
           the
           Earle
           of
           
             Louderdale
          
           hath
           been
           at
           
             London
          
           above
           these
           10
           dayes
           ,
           (
           whose
           not
           comming
           was
           said
           to
           be
           the
           onely
           stop
           )
           hath
           caused
           his
           Majesty
           thus
           to
           anticipate
           their
           comming
           to
           him
           ,
           and
           yet
           considering
           his
           Condition
           ,
           that
           his
           Servants
           are
           denied
           accesse
           to
           him
           ,
           all
           but
           very
           few
           ,
           and
           those
           by
           appointment
           ,
           not
           his
           owne
           Election
           ,
           and
           that
           it
           is
           declared
           a
           crime
           for
           any
           but
           the
           Commissioners
           ,
           or
           such
           who
           are
           particularly
           permitted
           by
           them
           ,
           to
           converse
           with
           his
           Majestie
           ,
           or
           that
           any
           Letters
           should
           be
           given
           to
           ,
           or
           received
           from
           him
           ,
           may
           hee
           not
           truly
           say
           ,
           that
           he
           is
           not
           in
           case
           fit
           to
           make
           Concessions
           ,
           or
           give
           Answers
           ,
           since
           he
           is
           not
           master
           of
           those
           ordinary
           Actions
           which
           are
           the
           undoubted
           Rights
           of
           any
           free-borne
           man
           ,
           how
           meane
           soever
           his
           birth
           be
           ?
           And
           certainly
           hee
           would
           still
           be
           silent
           as
           to
           this
           subject
           ,
           untill
           his
           Condition
           were
           much
           mended
           ,
           did
           he
           not
           preferre
           such
           a
           right
           understanding
           betwixt
           Him
           and
           his
           Parliaments
           of
           both
           Kingdomes
           ,
           which
           may
           make
           a
           firme
           and
           lasting
           Peace
           in
           all
           His
           Dominions
           ,
           before
           any
           particular
           of
           his
           owne
           or
           any
           earthly
           blessing
           :
           and
           therefore
           His
           Majesty
           hath
           diligently
           imployed
           his
           utmost
           indeavours
           for
           divers
           moneths
           past
           ,
           so
           to
           
           informe
           His
           Understanding
           ,
           and
           satisfie
           His
           Conscience
           ,
           that
           he
           might
           be
           able
           to
           give
           such
           Answers
           to
           the
           Propositions
           ,
           as
           would
           be
           most
           agreeable
           to
           His
           Parliaments
           ;
           but
           He
           ingenuously
           professes
           ,
           that
           notwithstanding
           all
           the
           paines
           that
           He
           hath
           taken
           therein
           ,
           the
           nature
           of
           some
           of
           them
           appeares
           such
           unto
           him
           ,
           that
           without
           disclaiming
           that
           Reason
           which
           God
           hath
           given
           him
           to
           judge
           by
           for
           the
           good
           of
           Him
           and
           His
           People
           ,
           and
           without
           putting
           the
           greatest
           violence
           upon
           His
           owne
           Conscience
           ,
           Hee
           cannot
           give
           His
           consent
           to
           all
           of
           them
           .
           Yet
           His
           Majestie
           (
           that
           it
           may
           appeare
           to
           all
           the
           VVorld
           how
           desirous
           He
           is
           to
           give
           full
           satisfaction
           )
           hath
           thought
           fit
           hereby
           to
           expresse
           His
           readinesse
           to
           grant
           what
           he
           may
           ,
           and
           His
           willingnesse
           to
           receive
           from
           them
           ,
           and
           that
           personally
           if
           His
           two
           Houses
           at
           
             Westminster
          
           shall
           approve
           thereof
           ,
           such
           further
           Information
           in
           the
           rest
           as
           may
           best
           convince
           His
           judgement
           ,
           and
           satisfie
           those
           doubts
           which
           are
           not
           yet
           cleer
           unto
           him
           ,
           desiring
           them
           also
           to
           consider
           that
           if
           His
           Majestie
           intended
           to
           winde
           himselfe
           out
           of
           these
           troubles
           by
           indirect
           meanes
           ,
           were
           it
           not
           easie
           for
           him
           now
           readily
           to
           consent
           to
           what
           hath
           or
           shall
           bee
           proposed
           unto
           him
           ,
           and
           afterwards
           chuse
           his
           time
           to
           breake
           all
           ,
           alledging
           ,
           that
           forc't
           concessions
           are
           not
           to
           be
           kept
           ,
           surely
           he
           might
           ,
           and
           not
           incurre
           a
           hard
           censure
           from
           some
           indifferent
           men
           .
           But
           maximes
           in
           this
           kinde
           are
           not
           the
           guides
           of
           His
           Majesties
           actions
           ,
           for
           hee
           freely
           and
           cleerly
           avows
           ,
           that
           he
           holds
           it
           unlawfull
           for
           any
           man
           ,
           and
           most
           base
           in
           a
           King
           to
           recede
           from
           his
           promises
           for
           having
           been
           obtained
           by
           force
           or
           under
           restraint
           ;
           wherefore
           his
           Majesty
           not
           onely
           rejecting
           those
           acts
           which
           he
           esteems
           unworthy
           of
           him
           ,
           but
           even
           passing
           by
           that
           which
           he
           might
           well
           insist
           a
           point
           of
           honour
           ,
           in
           respect
           of
           his
           present
           condition
           ,
           thus
           answers
           the
           first
           Proposition
           .
           That
           upon
           his
           Majesties
           comming
           to
           
             London
             ,
          
           hee
           will
           heartily
           joyne
           in
           all
           that
           shall
           concerne
           the
           honour
           of
           his
           two
           Kingdomes
           or
           the
           Assembly
           of
           the
           States
           of
           
             Scotland
             ,
          
           
           or
           of
           the
           Commissioners
           or
           Deputies
           of
           either
           Kingdome
           ,
           particularly
           in
           those
           things
           which
           are
           desired
           in
           that
           Proposition
           ,
           upon
           confidence
           that
           all
           of
           them
           respectively
           with
           the
           same
           tendernesse
           will
           look
           upon
           those
           things
           which
           concerne
           his
           Majesties
           honour
           .
        
         
           In
           answer
           to
           all
           the
           Propositions
           concerning
           Religion
           ,
           His
           Majestie
           proposeth
           ,
           that
           he
           will
           confirme
           the
           Presbyteriall
           Government
           ,
           the
           Assembly
           of
           Divines
           at
           
             Westminster
             ,
          
           and
           the
           Directory
           ,
           for
           three
           yeares
           ,
           being
           the
           time
           set
           downe
           by
           the
           two
           Houses
           ,
           so
           that
           His
           Majestie
           and
           His
           Houshold
           be
           not
           hindred
           from
           that
           forme
           of
           Gods
           Service
           which
           they
           formerly
           have
           ;
           And
           also
           ,
           that
           a
           free
           consultation
           &
           debate
           be
           had
           with
           the
           Divines
           at
           
             Westminster
          
           (
           twentie
           of
           His
           Majesties
           nomination
           being
           added
           unto
           them
           )
           whereby
           it
           may
           be
           determined
           by
           His
           Majestie
           and
           the
           two
           Houses
           ,
           how
           the
           Church
           shall
           be
           governed
           after
           the
           said
           three
           yeares
           or
           sooner
           ,
           if
           differences
           may
           be
           agreed
           .
           Touching
           the
           Covenant
           ,
           His
           Majestie
           is
           not
           yet
           therein
           satisfied
           ,
           and
           desires
           to
           respite
           His
           particular
           answer
           thereunto
           untill
           His
           comming
           to
           
             London
             ,
          
           because
           it
           being
           a
           matter
           of
           conseience
           he
           cannot
           give
           a
           resolution
           therein
           till
           he
           may
           be
           assisted
           with
           the
           advice
           of
           some
           of
           His
           own
           Chaplains
           (
           which
           hath
           hitherto
           bin
           denied
           Him
           )
           &
           such
           other
           Divines
           as
           shall
           be
           most
           proper
           to
           informe
           Him
           therein
           ;
           and
           then
           He
           will
           make
           clearely
           appeare
           ,
           both
           His
           zeale
           to
           the
           Protestant
           profession
           ,
           and
           the
           Union
           of
           these
           two
           Kingdomes
           ,
           which
           he
           conceives
           to
           be
           the
           maine
           drift
           of
           this
           Covenant
           .
           To
           the
           7th
           and
           8th
           Propositions
           ,
           His
           Majestie
           will
           consent
           .
           To
           the
           9th
           His
           Majestie
           doubts
           not
           but
           to
           give
           good
           satisfaction
           when
           he
           shall
           be
           particularly
           informed
           how
           the
           said
           penalties
           shall
           be
           levied
           and
           disposed
           of
           .
           To
           the
           10th
           His
           Majesties
           answer
           is
           ,
           That
           he
           hath
           beene
           alwayes
           ready
           to
           prevent
           the
           practices
           of
           Papist
           ,
           and
           therefore
           is
           content
           to
           pisse
           an
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           for
           that
           purpose
           ;
           And
           also
           ,
           that
           the
           Lawes
           against
           them
           be
           duly
           executed
           .
           His
           
           Majestie
           will
           give
           His
           consent
           to
           the
           Act
           for
           the
           due
           observation
           of
           the
           Lords
           Day
           ,
           for
           the
           suppressing
           of
           Innovations
           ,
           and
           those
           concerning
           the
           Preaching
           of
           Gods
           Word
           ,
           and
           touching
           Non-Residence
           and
           Pluralities
           ,
           and
           His
           Majestie
           will
           yeeld
           to
           such
           Act
           or
           Acts
           as
           shall
           be
           requisite
           to
           rayse
           moneyes
           for
           the
           payment
           and
           satisfying
           all
           publique
           Debts
           ,
           expecting
           also
           that
           his
           will
           be
           therein
           included
           .
           As
           to
           the
           Proposition
           touching
           the
           Militia
           ,
           though
           his
           Majestie
           cannot
           consent
           unto
           it
           
             in
             terminis
          
           as
           it
           is
           proposed
           ,
           because
           thereby
           he
           conceives
           ,
           hee
           wholly
           parts
           with
           the
           power
           of
           the
           Sword
           entrusted
           to
           him
           by
           God
           and
           the
           Lawes
           of
           the
           Land
           ,
           for
           the
           protection
           and
           government
           of
           his
           people
           ,
           thereby
           at
           once
           devesting
           himselfe
           ,
           and
           dis-inheriting
           his
           Posteritie
           of
           that
           right
           and
           prerogative
           of
           the
           Crowne
           which
           is
           absolutely
           necessary
           to
           the
           Kingly
           Office
           ,
           and
           so
           weaken
           Monarchy
           in
           this
           Kingdome
           ,
           that
           little
           more
           then
           the
           name
           and
           shadow
           of
           it
           will
           remaine
           :
           yet
           if
           it
           be
           onely
           securitie
           for
           the
           preservation
           of
           the
           peace
           of
           this
           Kingdome
           ,
           after
           the
           unhappy
           troubles
           ,
           and
           the
           due
           performance
           of
           all
           the
           agreements
           which
           are
           now
           to
           be
           concluded
           ,
           which
           is
           desired
           ,
           (
           which
           his
           Majestie
           alwayes
           understood
           to
           be
           the
           case
           ,
           and
           hopes
           that
           herein
           he
           is
           not
           mistaken
           )
           his
           Majestie
           will
           give
           aboundant
           satisfaction
           ,
           to
           which
           end
           he
           is
           willing
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           That
           the
           whole
           power
           of
           the
           Militia
           ,
           both
           by
           Sea
           and
           Land
           for
           the
           space
           of
           tenne
           yeares
           bee
           in
           the
           hands
           of
           such
           persons
           as
           the
           two
           Houses
           shall
           nominate
           ,
           giving
           them
           power
           during
           the
           said
           terme
           to
           change
           the
           said
           persons
           ,
           and
           substitute
           others
           in
           their
           places
           at
           pleasure
           ,
           and
           afterwards
           to
           returne
           to
           the
           proper
           channell
           againe
           ,
           as
           it
           was
           in
           the
           times
           of
           Queene
           
             Elizabeth
          
           and
           King
           
             Iames
          
           of
           blessed
           memory
           .
           And
           now
           his
           Majestie
           conjures
           his
           two
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           as
           they
           are
           Englishmen
           and
           lovers
           of
           Peace
           ,
           by
           the
           dutie
           they
           owe
           to
           his
           Majestie
           their
           King
           ,
           and
           by
           the
           bowells
           of
           compassion
           they
           have
           to
           their
           fellow
           Subjects
           ,
           
           that
           they
           will
           accept
           of
           this
           his
           Majesties
           offer
           ,
           whereby
           the
           joyfull
           news
           of
           Peace
           may
           be
           restored
           to
           this
           languishing
           Kingdome
           His
           Majestie
           will
           grant
           the
           like
           to
           the
           Kingdome
           of
           
             Scotland
          
           if
           it
           bee
           desired
           ,
           and
           agree
           to
           all
           things
           that
           are
           propounded
           touching
           the
           conserving
           of
           peace
           betwixt
           the
           two
           Kingdomes
           .
        
         
           Touching
           
             Ireland
          
           (
           other
           things
           being
           agreed
           )
           His
           Majestie
           will
           give
           satisfaction
           therein
           .
           As
           to
           the
           mutuall
           Declarations
           proposed
           to
           be
           established
           in
           both
           Kingdomes
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           And
           the
           Modifications
           ,
           Qualifications
           ,
           and
           Branches
           which
           follow
           in
           the
           Propositions
           ,
           His
           Majesty
           onely
           professes
           ,
           that
           He
           doth
           not
           sufficiently
           understand
           ,
           nor
           is
           able
           to
           reconcile
           many
           things
           contained
           in
           them
           ;
           but
           this
           He
           well
           knoweth
           ,
           That
           a
           general
           Act
           of
           Oblivion
           is
           the
           best
           Bond
           of
           Peace
           ;
           and
           that
           after
           intestine
           Troubles
           ,
           the
           wisdome
           of
           this
           and
           other
           Kingdomes
           hath
           usually
           and
           happily
           in
           all
           ages
           granted
           generall
           Pardons
           ,
           whereby
           the
           numerous
           discontentments
           of
           many
           Persons
           and
           Families
           otherwise
           exposed
           to
           ruine
           ,
           might
           not
           become
           fewell
           to
           new
           disorders
           ,
           or
           seedes
           to
           future
           troubles
           .
           His
           Majesty
           therefore
           desires
           ,
           that
           his
           two
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           would
           seriously
           descend
           into
           these
           considerations
           ,
           and
           likewise
           tenderly
           look
           upon
           his
           Condition
           herein
           ,
           and
           the
           perpetual
           dishonour
           that
           must
           cleave
           to
           him
           ,
           if
           He
           shall
           thus
           abandon
           so
           many
           persons
           of
           Condition
           and
           Fortune
           that
           have
           ingaged
           themselves
           with
           and
           for
           Him
           ,
           out
           of
           a
           sense
           of
           Duty
           ,
           and
           propounds
           as
           a
           very
           acceptable
           testimony
           of
           their
           affection
           to
           him
           ,
           That
           a
           generall
           Act
           of
           Oblivion
           and
           free
           Pardon
           be
           forthwith
           passed
           by
           Act
           of
           Parliament
           .
           Touching
           the
           new
           great
           Seal
           ,
           His
           Majesty
           is
           very
           willing
           to
           confirme
           both
           it
           and
           all
           the
           Acts
           done
           by
           vertue
           thereof
           untill
           this
           present
           time
           ,
           so
           that
           it
           be
           not
           thereby
           pressed
           to
           make
           voyd
           those
           Acts
           of
           his
           done
           by
           vertue
           of
           his
           great
           Seale
           ,
           which
           in
           honour
           and
           justice
           he
           is
           obliged
           to
           maintaine
           ,
           And
           that
           the
           future
           Government
           thereof
           
           may
           be
           in
           his
           Majesty
           ,
           according
           to
           the
           due
           course
           of
           Law
           .
           Concerning
           the
           Officers
           mentioned
           in
           the
           19.
           
           Article
           ,
           His
           Majesty
           when
           he
           shall
           come
           to
           
             Westminster
          
           will
           gratifie
           his
           Parliament
           all
           that
           possibly
           he
           may
           ,
           without
           destroying
           the
           alterations
           which
           are
           necessary
           for
           the
           Crown
           .
           His
           Majesty
           will
           willingly
           consent
           to
           the
           Act
           for
           the
           confirmation
           of
           the
           Priviledges
           and
           Customes
           of
           the
           City
           of
           
             London
             ,
          
           and
           all
           that
           is
           mentioned
           in
           the
           Propositions
           for
           their
           particuler
           advantage
           .
           And
           now
           that
           His
           Majesty
           hath
           thus
           far
           indeavoured
           to
           comply
           with
           the
           desires
           of
           his
           two
           Houses
           of
           Parliament
           ,
           to
           the
           end
           that
           this
           agreement
           may
           be
           firme
           and
           lasting
           ,
           without
           the
           least
           face
           or
           question
           of
           restraint
           to
           blemish
           the
           same
           ,
           his
           Majesty
           earnestly
           desires
           presently
           to
           bee
           admitted
           to
           his
           Parliament
           at
           
             Westminster
             ,
          
           with
           that
           Honour
           which
           is
           due
           to
           their
           Soveraigne
           ,
           there
           solemnly
           to
           confirme
           the
           same
           ,
           and
           legally
           to
           passe
           the
           Acts
           before
           mentioned
           ,
           and
           to
           give
           and
           receive
           as
           well
           satisfaction
           in
           all
           the
           remaining
           particulars
           ,
           as
           likewise
           such
           other
           pledges
           of
           mutuall
           love
           ,
           trust
           ,
           and
           confidence
           as
           shall
           most
           concerne
           the
           good
           of
           him
           ,
           and
           his
           peoples
           upon
           which
           happy
           agreement
           ,
           his
           Majesty
           will
           dispatch
           his
           Directions
           to
           the
           Prince
           his
           Son
           ,
           to
           returne
           immediately
           to
           him
           ,
           and
           will
           undertake
           for
           his
           ready
           obediencc
           thereunto
           .
        
         
           For
           the
           Speaker
           of
           the
           Lords
           House
           (
           
             pro
             tempore
          
           )
           to
           be
           communicated
           to
           the
           Lords
           and
           Commons
           in
           tht
           Parliament
           of
           
             England
          
           at
           
             Westminster
             ,
          
           and
           the
           Commissioners
           of
           the
           Parliament
           of
           
             Scotland
             .
          
        
         
           FINIS
           .