The case of the old secured, secluded, and now excluded Members, briefly and truly stated; for their own vindication, and their electors and the kingdoms satisfaction. / By William Prynne of Lincolns Inne Esq; one of those Members. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A91157 of text R203224 in the English Short Title Catalog (Thomason E765_2). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. 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A91157) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 115453) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 117:E765[2]) The case of the old secured, secluded, and now excluded Members, briefly and truly stated; for their own vindication, and their electors and the kingdoms satisfaction. / By William Prynne of Lincolns Inne Esq; one of those Members. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 8 p. Printed, and are to be sold by Edward Thomas, at the Adam and Eve in Little Britain, London, : 1660. Caption title. Imprint from colophon. There are two printings, one slightly revised, order not determined: (1) with side-notes on the last page; text ends "those for whom they served."; (2) last page side-notes and some others lacking; text ends "whereof they were fellow-members.". Annotation on Thomason copy: "January. 13. 1659.". Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng England and Wales. -- Parliament -- Early works to 1800. Great Britain -- Politics and government -- 1642-1649 -- Early works to 1800. Great Britain -- History -- Commonwealth and Protectorate, 1649-1660 -- Early works to 1800. A91157 R203224 (Thomason E765_2). civilwar no The case of the old secured, secluded, and now excluded Members, briefly and truly stated;: for their own vindication, and their electors a Prynne, William 1660 4984 16 0 0 0 0 0 32 C The rate of 32 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-02 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-03 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-04 Mona Logarbo Sampled and proofread 2007-04 Mona Logarbo Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion THE CASE Of the old Secured , Secluded , and now EXCLUDED MEMBERS , Briefly and truly Stated ; For their own Vindication , and their Electors and the Kingdoms Satisfaction . By William Prynne of Lincolns Inne Esq one of those Members . JVly 28. 1648. upon the earnest Petitions of the Aldermen , Common Council , & City of London , and most Counties of England , miserably oppressed , impoverished , distracted , and well nigh ruined , by above 6. years intestine Wars , between the late King and Parliament ; the House of Commons ( when full and free ) voted , That a Treaty should be had in the Isle of Wight , with the King in Person , by a Committee appointed by both Houses , upon the Propositions formerly agreed on , and presented to him at Hampton Court ; which the Lords House unanimously assented to : Whereupon Commissioners were nominated , and sent accordingly , to treat upon these Propositions with the King ; and a special Order , made and published by the Commons House , September 5. for the respective Sheriffs of each County of England and Wales , personally to summon all absent Members , to meet in the House Septemb. 26. under the penalty of 20. l. for not appearing , in regard of the great importance of this Treaty , for quieting the distempers , and setling the distracted minds of the people ; and because in the multitude of Counsellors there is safety . Hereupon all the Members repaired to discharge their duty in the House ; After a long deliberate Treaty for sundry weeks ( wherein the King assented to all the Propositions in terminis ; except 3. * wherein he so far complyed with the desires of both Houses , that the differences therein seemed not very considerable ) The Treaty being fully concluded , was reported to the House of Commons , Decemb. 1. upon which the House presently entred into the debate of the Kings Concessions : Those who were against them , desiring no Peace nor Healing of the Kingdoms Breaches , made this the Question ; Whether the Kings answer to the Propositions , were satisfactory , or not satisfactory ? but those who desired Peace and settlement , made this the only state of the Question ; Whether the Answers of the King to the Propositions of both Houses , were a ground for the House to proceed upon , for the settlement of the Peace of the Kingdom ? After four dayes and one whole nights serious debate , the Question being put as last stated , Decemb. 5. it was carried in the Affirmative , without any Division of the Hou●e ; when there were 244. Members in it , besides 60 more declaring themselves for it , who through age , cold , and infirmity ( being unable to fit up all night ) departed before the Question put , the Dissenters being not the third part of the Members then present . The Army contrary to both Houses Orders were drawn up to Westm. and removed the ordinary Gards of the House out of their quarters during this debate , giving out menaces against all who should vote for the Concessions , on purpose to interrupt and prevent this Vote , and that by Confederacy with some of the Dissenting Members . Yet such was the courage , constancy , and sincerity of the faithfull Members , that maugre all Oppositions and Difficulties , they put and carried the Vote upon such grounds of Reason , Truth , Justice , Honesty and publick Interest , as all their Opposites were unable to contradict or refute . The Vote being passed , the House appointed Mr. Pierpoint , and six other Members to repair that Afternoon to the head quarters , to confer with the General and his Officers , to keep a right understanding and good correspondency between the House , and the General and Army ; and then adjourned till the next morning . The Commissioners repairing to the head quarters that Afternoon were so rudely treated , that one or two of them were secured by some Army-Officers , and the rest put off and slighted without any conferrence . Decem. 6. the Army-Officers sent sundry Regiments of horse and foot early in the morning to Westminster in a warlike manner , who placed themselves in the Pallace-yards , the Court of Requests , Hall , Court of Wards , stairs , Lobby of the House , and all approaches to it , to secure and seclude those Members who assented to this Vote ; Collonel Pride & other Officers who commanded the gard● having a List in their hands of the Members names to be secured and secluded , given them , as was reported by Cornelius Holland , and other dissenting Members , That morning they forcibly secluded above 100. Members , keeping them out of the House perforce as they came to the Lobby , and seised 41. Members in the Stairs and Lobby , pulling two more out of the House it self into which they got before the Officers espyed them : These 43. Members they secured all day in the Queens Court , refusing to obey the Orders of those then sitting in the House , who being acquainted with their seisure , sent the Serjeant twice to command their attendance in the House , without any obedience or success : At night all the secured Members but 4 , instead of being caried to Wallingford House to treat with the General and Officers , as was promised , were unexpectedly thrust into a place called Hell in Westm : & there kept Prisoners on the bare boards all the night , though extreme cold . The next morning 3. more Members were seised , and many others secluded , affronted coming to the House . Those in Hell about 9. of the clock were carried fasting to Whitehall , to confer with the General and Army-Officers , who imperiously made them dance attendance on them in a very cold room without fire ( for sundry hours ) or meat or drink ( but some burnt Wine and Biskets they sent for thither ) til 7 a clock at night , not vouchsafing so much as to see or confer with any of them , as they promised ; and then sent them Prisoners to the Kings Head and Swan , through the snow and dirt , garded with 3 Musquetiers apiece and Gards of Horse besides , like the vilest Rogues and Traytors ; and there detained most of them Prisoners sundry weeks , sending some of them close Prisoners to St. James , and afterwards to Windsor Castle divers months space , without the least particular accusation , impeachment , hearing or tryal . The only cause of this their Imprisonment and Seclusion , as the Officers confess in their Answer to the House , touching the grounds of our securing , Jan. 3. was our Vote of Decemb. 5. which the General and General Council of Officers thus particularly expressed the very next day , Decemb. 6. 1648. ( the day they secured and secluded us ) in their Proposals and desires to the Commons in Parliament : wherein they desire , that some Members by name may be secured , and brought to justice . And that those Members that were guilty in the Votes for the Treaty , July 28. & Decemb. 5. declaring the Kings past Concessions to be a ground ●or the House to proceed upon , for the settlement of the peace of the Kingdom ; have deserted , ●etrayed , and justly forfeited their Trusts for the Publick And therefore most earnestly desired , That all such faithfull M●mbers who were innocent therein , would immediately by Protestation and publick Declaration ) acquit themselves from any guilt or concurrence in those Votes , as corrupt and destructive : That so the Kingdom may know who they are that have kept their Trust , and distinguish them from the rest , that have falsified the same ; and that all such as cannot , or shall not acquit themselves Particularly , may be immediately excluded or suspended the House , and not readmitted , untill they have given clear satisfaction therein to the Iudgement of those who now so acquit themselves and the grounds of such satisfaction be published to the Kingdom In obedience to these imperious desires of the General Army-Council ( the Supream Legislators , over-ruling both the House and General Council of the Kingdom ) about 45 or 50 Members ( wherof some were Army-Officers , Authors of those Proposals , ) sitting under the visible over-awing Gards of the Army-Officers , from December 6. till after all Votes and Orders passed , that can be produced for our suspension or seclusion , Dec. 12 , & 13. rerepealed the Votes of July . 28. for the Treaty , and Decemb. 5. touching the Kings concessions , according to the Armie Officers Proposals , as highly dishonourable to the Parliament , and destructive to the peace of the Kingdom , and tending to the breach of the publick faith of the Kingdoms : publishing . A Declaration Jan. 15. expressing their Reasons for annulling and repealing these Votes . And Dec. 18. & 20. passed 2. Orders , that none should sit or act as Members , till they had made and subscribed their particular Protestation against this Vote . In pursute whereof Decemb. 20. 34 Members ( whereof 15. are now sitting , the rest dead or absent ) entred their dissents and protests against this Vote . Decemb. 21. 3. more , now sitting , entred theirs : Decemb. 25. 6. more ( 5. now sitting ) entred their dissents , yet they sat as an House 4. daies , before 40 of them had entred their protests , and afterwards admitted others to sit , without entring any Protestation , contrary to their Order . By colour of which Orders alone , and of their Vote , Jan. 11. upon the Armie Officers Answer , That the House doth approve of the substance of the Answer of the General Council of the Officers of the Army to the demands of this House touching the securing and secluding of some Members thereof : And doth appoint a Committee ( of 24 ) to consider what is further to be done upon the said Answer , &c. And of another Order in pursute of these February 2. ( three dayes after the Kings beheading ) they have without any particular accusation , cause , summons or hearing at all , by their * Vote of Jan. 5. 1659. adjudged and declared ; That the Members who stand discharged ( in manner aforesaid ) from voting or sitting as Members of this House , in the years 1648. & 1649. doe stand duly discharged by Judgement of Parliament , from sitting as Members of this Parliament , during this Parliament : ( without so much as naming any one of them particularly in this , or any of their former Votes or Orders by which they exclude them ) And it is ordered ; That Writs do issue forth for electing N●w Members in their places . This being the true State of the secured , secluded , and excluded Members case , in 1648. & 1649. to which the Vote of Jan. 5. and their forcible seclusion by their own Order , both out of the House and Lobby Decemb. 27. 1659. relates : the Questions in Law arising thereupon , are briefly these . 1. Whether 3. parts of 4. and above 200 Members of the Commons House , only for passing the premised Vote Dec. 5. 1648. in order to the publike peace and setlement of the kingdom , without any sinister respect , after 4 daies & a whole nights debate , according to their Judgements , Consciences , Trusts , Duties , Oaths , Protestation , Vow , Covenant , the general Petitions , Desires of their Electors , and our 3. distracted kingdoms ; contrary to the sense of the Minor part of the House , and General Council of Army-Officers , ( who were but their Servants , obliged to obey their just Votes , and Commands , and no Members , Judges , to controll them ) may be justly or legally secured secluded , and thus ●nworthily Treated by the Army-Officers , by meer armed power ; and whiles thus secured and secluded the House , be ejected , dismembred , by the Votes of 40. or 50. of their fellow Members , only upon the Army-Officers imperious desires , whiles sitting under their horrid visible force ; which by their own and Both Houses Declaration August 20. 1647. ( in case of a contemptible force in respect of this , when no Members at all were secluded ) nulls all their Votes , Orders and Ordinances , at and from the very time they are made and passed ? and that without any impeachment , hearing , or trial whatsoever , contrary to all * Laws , Rules of Justice , Presidents and Proceedings in Parliaments , or other Courts , in former times . 2. Whether every Member of Parliament by the Custom and Usage of Parliaments , be not obliged , according to his mind and conscience , freely to give his Ay , and No , to every Question propounded in the House whiles he is present , and finable if he refuse to do it , without the least blame , censure , or pretence of breach of trust ? And whether the Freedom of the Members debates and Votes in the House in matters there propounded , be not the very principal , essential , fundamental Privilege of Parliament , demanded by every Speaker , and granted by every King to the Members at the beginning of every Parliament , and denominating Parliaments themselves ( derived from * parler le ment ) which if once denied , or made criminal ( as now ) & that to the major part , will utterly subvert the very name , essence , and being of all future Parliaments ? 3. Whether the Army-Officers and Council out of the House , being Servants only , commissioned and paid to guard the Members Privileges , and obey the Orders of the House ; and neither Electors , nor impowrers of the Members secluded ; be sit Judges of the Majority of the Members Votes and Debates in the House , which they never heard of , nor were present at , but by misreports or relations from others ? And if so , ( as these Secluders then and now admit them : ) Whether this will not subject those now sitting , and secluding us , with all Members of subsequent Parliaments , and all their Votes , to the Judicature of their Gards , or any other number of Factious people without doors ? yea justifie their own forcible Exclusions and dissolutions by Cromwell , Apr. 20. 1653. and since by Lambert and Hewson , Octob. 13. 1659. for Votes and Proceedings more unjust and unreasonable than ours of Dec. 5. 1648. is supposed to be , and subvert all the Rights , Privileges , Power , Authority and Honor of English Parliaments for ever ? 4. Whether it be not a far greater breach of Privilege , Treason , and levying War against the Parliament , in the Army-Officers , and sitting Members at their request , thus forcibly to secure , seclude and eject above 200 Members , 3. or 4. times one after another , only for voting freely according to their mindes , consciences ; and refusing to retract and protest against their own and Majorities Votes ; than for Cromwel , Lambert , & others , to exclude but 50. 60. or 70. of them , sitting as an House and Parliament , being encouraged and justified by their own votes , presidents and Commands to seclude and exclude the Majority of their fellow Members , for voting contrary to the Army Officers desires and designs , who excluded them upon the same account ? 4. Whether it be Parliamental , Rational , Just Equitable ( admitting the Common , House have power in themselves alone , to vote out any Member for misdemeanours or breach of Trust , without the Lords , which some deny , upon very good * Presidents and grounds ) that the far lesser part of the Commons House , may forcibly seclude and vote out the greatest part of their fellow Members , only for over-voting , & dissenting from them in their Judgements ? And not more just and reasonable , that the Major part , being the House it self in Law and Conscience , should judge & vote out this Minor part , for their Antiparliamentary Protestation , & such an unjust forcible seclusion & ejection , as ours by the premises now appears to be to themselves , and all the Kingdom ; being the highest breach both of their Trust , the Privileges & Rights of Parl. & Peoples Liberties that ever any Members were guilty of since Parliaments began ? 5. Whether their secluding , and * voting out all the secluded Members , in the grosse 1648. 1649. and Jan. 5. 1659. without impeachment , summonning , hearing , or nominating any one of them in particular in their Votes or O●ders , be not a most unjust , unpresidented , unparliamentary Judgement and Proceeding , contrary to all rules of Justice in all other cases and Judicatures whatsoever , & in this and former Parliaments ; yea meerly null and void to all intents for its Generality and Incertainty ; it being the Privilege of every Member , to be first , accused ; 2ly . summoned to answer his accusation if absent ; 3ly . re-summoned upon default of appearance ; 4ly . To hear his charge , and make his defence , before he be secluded or suspended ; 5ly . To sit and vote in the House till suspended or secluded , by special order and Judgement of the House , wherein he is to be * particularly named ; All which circumstances , were punctually observed by themselves , in Sir Henry Vanes case Jan. 9. 1659. before they ejected him , since their vote against the secluded Members ; which deserved as much right and Justice as he , if not far more , who joynd with those mutinous Army-Officers who excluded them ; 6ly . If many be joyntly or severally accused , by name , they are to make their joynt or several answers and defences , and to receive their particular joynt or several censures , pronounced by the Speaker in their hearing at the Barre ; as in Sr. H. Vanes late case ; All which particulars fai●ing , in this general vote against them all ; the meanest of their Electors , & of those for whom they serve ( more injured by this vote then themselves ) and all Judges , Lawyers now sitting with them , will pronounce their Vote most absurd and void to all intents , unworthy the Wisdom , Justice and Gravity of those , who stile themselves , The Parliament ? 6. Whether the Ordinance published Dec. 15. 1648. in the name of the Lords and Commons , against A Protestation Dec. 11. 1648. printed in the Name of all the secluded and secured Members , ( though not subscribed nor owned publickly by them , nor proved to be published by their order or privity ) disabling all the secured & secluded Members to sit any mo●e , during this Parl. ( which some pretend the chief ground of their ejection now , though never mentioned nor insisted on before ) without naming , hearing , or disabling any of those Members in particular , or adjudging them , the Authors of that Protestation , be not meerly void & null to all intents , being so general and indefinite , made only by 3. or 4. Lords , and 50. Commoners at most , fitting under that very force , which then secluded , imprisoned the major part both of the Lords and Commons House , and so declared nul and void by the Speakers Letter , July 29. and the Ordinance of both Houses , August 20. 1647 ? Whether the major part of the Commons and Lords House then forcibly secluded , might not by vertue of this Ordinance , as well as their Speaker Lenthal by his Letter , and both Houses by that Ordinance , declare all Proceedings , Votes and Ordinances in the respective Houses , whereof they were Members , void and nul to all intents , during their forcible seclusion , and the force then put upon the Houses , without any offence or crime at all deserving seclusion ; and were not bound by their Protestation , League and Covenant , to do it , to preserve their own , and the Houses privileges , being the far greater number of Members , 5. times more than those who voted them out ? It differing much from the Protestation of some of the Bishops , committed to the Power for their Protestation , Dec. 1641. 1. Because they were not forcibly secluded , as we . 2ly . Not the majority of the Bishops , much less of the Lords House , as we . 3ly . They protested against all Proceedings whatsoever in both Houses of Parliament during their absence ( not seclusion ) from the House , as void and null , til their restitution , not in the Lords House alone , which was the chief , if not only exception against their Protestat . though there was then no force upon the Lords or Commons ; But the Protest . in the secluded Members names protested only against the proceedings in the Com. House , during their forcible securing and secluding , and the force upon those that sat . 4ly . They were heard in the Lords House concerning it , before they were committed : but none of the secluded Members were ever yet heard before their seclusion or securing . 5ly . They were only imprisoned for their Protestation during the Lords House pleasure , not excluded & voted out of the House during the Parliament . Upon all which Considerations , the Proceedings of the major part of the Lords House against them , do no way warrant the Declaration of the minority of the Com : House and Lords , against the majority of the Commons House , then under a force and secluded , and the majority of the Lords House , together with them . All which the secluded Members presume will fully satisfie those for whom they serve , and the whole English Nation , World , and their ●ecluders too , of the Injustice of their former and late forcible Seclusions , and Ejections by their premised Orders , Votes , & vindicate the Rights and Privileges of Parliament , til they can meet together in safety , to draw up a larger Decl : of their Case & unjust antiparliamentary exclusion , without the danger of a new securing , being all ordered to be seised on at Mr. Ansleys House in Drury-lane the 9th . of this January by a party of 40. Musquitiers , and Captain commanding them , accompanied with one of the Serjeants men , who beset and searched the House to apprehend them , but that they were all departed thence before they came thither , and so escaped their hands ; the cause of this Brief publication . The secluded Members repute it very hard , and injurious , that they should be thus frequently , and long secluded by force , and many of them * imprisoned divers years , and publickly excluded and slandered by their Fellow-Members Votes behind their backs without hearing , or the least admission to vindicate their Innocency and the justice of the Vote for which they are secluded , in the House ; and yet be searched after and re-imprisoned and secured by armed Gards by Order of their Secluders , for endeavouring to vindicate their own Innocency , Parliamentary Rights , Privileges , and the Liberties of those many Counties , Cities and Boroughs , for which they serve , without Doors , when as they cannot be admitted to it in the House it self , unlesse they will first eat and retract their former Votes , against their Consciences , Privileges , and abjure their former Oaths , Protestation , Covenant , Declarations , by taking a new inforced Ingagement : Whereupon they desire their few Secluders to consider the 1 Cor. 12. 14 , &c. For the Body is not one Member but many , &c. But now God hath set the Members every one of them in the Body , as it hath pleased him . And if they were all one Member , where were the Body ? But now are they many ( not few ) Members , yet but one Body . And the eye cannot say to the hand , I have no need of thee ; nor again the head to the feet , I have no need of them ; Nay , much more those Members that seem to be more feeble are necessary , &c. That there should be no division in the Body , but that the Members should have the same care one for another . And whether one Member ( much more when most of them ) suffer , all the Members suffer with it ; or one Member be honoured , all the Members rejoyce with it . Which Consideration , with that of Mat. 7 12. Therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto * you , do you even so to them , for this is the Law and the Prophets 1 Thes. 4. 6. Let no man over-reach , oppress , or defraud his Brother ( much lesse so many Brethren of eminency ) in any matter . ( especially in their publick Parliamentary Trusts , Rights , Privileges , ) because the Lord is the Avenger of all such , as we have forewarned and testified ( and their own double forcible Seclusion hath fully exemplyfied , ) might now at last convince them of , and convert them from their former Injustice and Violence , and make them more just and tender towards us than hitherto they have been , either as Christians or Englishmen , who are Members of one and the self-same Church , Kingdom , Parliament , House , formerly united-together in strictest Bonds of Unity and Amity , though now sadly divided by their force and fury , to the ruine both of the Church , Kingdom , Parliament , and the House it self whereof they were Fellow-Member , and intollerable discontent & oppression of the whole Nation , and those for whom they served . FINIS . LONDON , Printed , and are to be sold by Edward Thomas , at the Adam and Eve in Little Britain , 1660. Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A91157e-30 * See Mr. Prynnes Speech Dec. 4. 1648. and a Vindication of the secured and secluded Members . * without any Declaration at all to the Kingdom , Counties Cities , Boroughs , for which we served , or us , of the reasons , justice , grounds of this their new and former Votes which was expected and will be demanded . f●om them . * Magna Charta , c. 29. 5 E. 3 c. 9. 25 E. 3. c. 4. 28 E. 3. c. 3 42 E. 3. c. 3. Petition of Right , 3 Caroli . * Cooks 4. Instit. ch. 1. * See my Plea for the Lords , and Registers of Parliamentary Writs . * These secluders think their Votes omnipotent , who can blow up the Majority of their fellow Members & whole House of Lords with the breath of their mouths , like chaff , without any reason expressed , when as the old Gunpowder Traytors could not blow them up , but with almost as many barrels of Gunpowder , as they were then and now Members . * Cooks 3 Instit ● 101. 4 Instit. p. ●5 . to 25 , 38 , 39 , * Major Gen. Brown . imp●isoned and close imprisoned 5. years and 2. months . Mr. Prynne close imprisoned in D●nste , Taunton . and Pendennis castle 2. years & 8. months . Sir Will Waller , Sir Will. Lewis , Sir John Clotworthy , Commissary Copley , and Mr. Walker , two years or more , without hearing or cause expressed . * In the case of their own seclusion , which they so much condemned in Cromwell and Lambert .