An ansvver to a proposition in order to the proposing of a Commonwealth or democracy. Proposed by friends to the Commonwealth by Mr. Harringtons consent; who is over-wise in his own conceit, that he propounds a Committee of Parliament, with above one hundred earls, nobles, members, gentlemen, and divines (named in his list) may dance attendance twice a week on his utopian excellency in the banquetting house at Whitehall or Painted Chamber, to hear and see his puppet-play of a new commonwealth: the very first view whereof he presumes will infatuate alldissenting [sic] parties, spectators, and our divided nations by their example into a Popish blinde obedience thereunto, upon his ipse dixit. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A91136 of text R207823 in the English Short Title Catalog (Thomason E986_24). 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This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A91136) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 168622) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 147:E986[24]) An ansvver to a proposition in order to the proposing of a Commonwealth or democracy. Proposed by friends to the Commonwealth by Mr. Harringtons consent; who is over-wise in his own conceit, that he propounds a Committee of Parliament, with above one hundred earls, nobles, members, gentlemen, and divines (named in his list) may dance attendance twice a week on his utopian excellency in the banquetting house at Whitehall or Painted Chamber, to hear and see his puppet-play of a new commonwealth: the very first view whereof he presumes will infatuate alldissenting [sic] parties, spectators, and our divided nations by their example into a Popish blinde obedience thereunto, upon his ipse dixit. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. [2], 6 p. [s.n.], London : Printed in the Year, 1659. Anonymous. By William Prynne. A reply to: A proposition in order to the proposing of a Commonwealth or Democracie. Annotation on Thomason copy: "June. 17.". Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng England and Wales. -- Parliament -- Early works to 1800. Proposition in order to the proposing of a Commonwealth or democracie. Great Britain -- Politics and government -- 1649-1660 -- Early works to 1800. A91136 R207823 (Thomason E986_24). civilwar no An ansvver to a proposition in order to the proposing of a Commonwealth or democracy.: Proposed by friends to the Commonwealth by Mr. Harri Prynne, William 1659 1969 5 0 0 0 0 0 25 C The rate of 25 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the C category of texts with between 10 and 35 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-06 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-08 Angela Berkley Sampled and proofread 2007-08 Angela Berkley Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion AN ANSVVER TO A PROPOSITION In order to the proposing of A Commonwealth or Democracy . Proposed by friends to the Commonwealth by Mr. Harringtons consent ; Who is so over-wise in his own conceit , that he propounds a Committee of Parliament , with above one hundred Earls , Nobles , Members , Gentlemen , and Divines ( named in his list ) may dance attendance twice a week on his Utopian Excellency in the Banquetting House at Whitehall or Painted Chamber , to hear and see his Puppet-play of a new Common-wealth : the very first view whereof the presumes will infatuate all dissenting parties , spectators , and our divided Nations by their example into a Popish blinde obedience thereunto , upon his Ipse dixit . Prov. 26. 3 , 5 , 12. A whip for a Horse , a bridle for an Ass , and a rod for the Fools back . Answer a Fool according to his Folly , lest he be wise in his own conceit . Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit , there is more hope of a Fool , than of him . London Printed in the Year , 1659. A PROPOSITION In order to the proposing of a Commonwealth or Democracy . IF the Parliament shall be pleased to appoint a Committee to receive Mr. Harringtons Propositions for setling the Government of this Commonwealth ; it is humbly proposed that unto the Committee of the House may be added The Earl of Northumberland . The Earl of Denbigh . The Earl of Clare . The Earl of Kingston . The Duke of Buckingh●m . Lord Grey of Warke . Lord Faulkeland . Lord Lambert . Lord Bronker . Richard Nevil Esq Mr. Nathaniel Fiennes . Lord Maior of London . Alderman Titchborne . Mr. Thurlo . Mr. William Pierepoint . Sir John Eveling . Mr. Crew . Mr. Ansl●of Ireland . Mr. Prynne . Sir Paul Neal. Serjeant Maynard . Colonel Taylor . Lord Broughall . Mr. Hubard . Mr. Trevor ▪ Captain Adam Baynnes . Mr. Josias Bernards . Mr. Samuel Moyer . Mr. Anthony Samuel . Major Wildman . Mr. Maximilian Petty . Mr. William Harrington . Mr. Wren . Mr. Baxter of Kidderminster . Mr. Walwin . Mr. Brooks . Mr. Arthur Eveling . Mr. Cook . Dr. Ferne . Dr. Haymond . Dr. Owen . Dr. Seaman . Mr. Calamy . Mr. Manton . Captain Andrew Ellis . Mr. Chalinor Chute . Mr. Slingsby Bethel . Sir Cheany Culpepper . Sir Henry Blount . Sir Horatio Townshend . Sir Anthony Ashly Cooper . Mr. Iob Charleton . Mr. Edward Waller . Colonel Harloe . Major Harloe . Colonel Iohn Clark . Mr. Iohn Denham . Mr. Morrice . Mr. Hugh Bisscowen . Sir George Booth . Mr. Robert Roles . Dr. Mills . Sir Orlando Bridgeman . Mr. Robert Stephens . Mr. William Iames . Sir Iustinian Isham . Lieutenant Colonel Kelsey . Sir Robert Honnywood . Mr. Sedgwick . Mr. Philip Nye . Dr. Thomas Goodwin . Colonel Lilburn . Charles Howard Esq ; ; Colonel Ashfield . Sir Thomas Gower . Lord Com. Bradshaw . General Desborow . Colonel Iames Berry . Major William Packer . Praisegod Barbones . Sir William VValler . Colonel Sanders . Colonel Hatcher . Colonel Edmond Salmon . Colonel Francis Hacker . Mr. Rich. Knightley . Colonel Iohn Burch . Mr. Iohn Swynfen . Mr. Thomas Bampfield . Colonel Iohn Okey . Mr. William Kiffen . Anthony Pierson . Colonel Mosse . Mr. Frecheville of Stavely . Mr. Iames Morley . Dr. Philip Carteret . Captain Richard Dean . Adjutant General William Allen . Mr. William Forester of Aldermarton . Mr. Edward Harison . Mr. Arthur Samwell . Mr. Samuel Tull. Mr. Edward Salloway . That this Committee sit Tuesdayes and Fridayes , by three of the clock afternoon , in the Banqueting house , Court of Requests , or painted Chamber , the doors being open , and the Room well fitted for all Comers : and that Mr. Harrington having proposed by appointment of the Parliament , such others may propose as shall have the leave of the Parliament . This by friends to the Commonwealth is proposed with Mr. Harrington's consent . The Reasons for this Proposition are these : It is the fairest way of Proposing a Government , that it be first proposed to conviction , before it be imposed by power . The Persons herein nominated being convinced , it must necessarily have an healing influence upon all the Parties , degrees or qualities in this devided Nation . THE ANSWER . It is the desire of our three divided Nations ; THat there be no Committee appointed by those Commoners now sitting to receive Mr. Harringtons Propositions for setling our old Kingly Government in his new way of a Commonwealth , till the House of Peers , and the secluded Members of the Commons House who sate in Parliament till December 6. 1648. be permitted freely to fit , debate , and vote in Parliament , according to the Statute of 17 Caroli , c. 7. by which the present Conventicle pretends to sit . That this being done , a Committee of both Houses may be appointed to receive Mr. Harringtons propositions . And that the persons named in Mr. Harringtons list who are no M●mbers , with such other wise men as Mr. Harrington and the friends to his propounded Commonwealth shall nominate , may have libertie to propose to the said Committee what Mr. Harrington and they shall think fit in relation to the forming and erecting of the same . That to the end the said Mr. Harrington and his friends may in their proposals be kept within the bounds of sobrietie and moderation , according to the antient Law of Charondas , the Law-giver of the Athenians , ( the first erectors of Commonwealths , ) Mr. Harrington and his friends may all come to the said Committee with Ropes about their necks , and in case they shall not convince the said Committee ( and Parliament ) that their new Commonwealth is better , safer , and more profitable for the English Nation , than their old legal hereditarie Kingly Governusent , that then they shall forthwith by sentence of Parliament be carried to Tyburne , and undergoe the penaltie of Charondas Law , to be hanged up by the neck as Traitors and seditious Persons till they be dead . But if their proposals take effect : That then Mr. Harrington for his rare invention and extraordinarie good service in minting a New Commonwealth , shall have the monopoly of coyning all new Harringtons , alias brass farthings , which shall henceforth pass for the onely coin of his new copper Commonwealth , Gold and silver which are Royal mines & metals annexed to the Imperial Crown of the Realm ) being as inconsistent with his New Commonwealth , ( which hath swallowed them all up ) as Kingship , and therefore to be banished with it . The Committee is desired to sit every afternoon in the weeke by two of the clock at the Sessions house in the Old Baily , or rather in the old Kings Bench Court in Westminster Hall , being places open to all Commers , and sitted for that end , without further charge to the poor Commonwealth : That so Mr. Harrington and his friends may not be delayed from receiving a deserved execution , or glorious reward . This by the Generality of our 3 Nations friends to our Antient Monarchy is proposed , and they hope to have Mr. Harringtons post-consent thereto . The Reasons for this Answer to the Proposition are these : 1. It is the fairest way of altering our antient Kingly Government , and Parliament , that they be first legally impeached and condemned to conviction before they be injuriously suppressed by armed power . Therefore M. Harrington must first answer M Wren & M. Pryns reasons in his new published True and perfect Narrative ; for the restitution of our old hereditarie Kings & Kingship , as the best of Governments , before he propound his New Vtopian Republike , to thrust them out of their long-enjoyed possession . 2. That Mr. Harrington and his friends being convinced of the illegality of the said Commonwealth , and the dangerous consequence of proposing such a seditious novelties , against our old Kingship and Kingdomes , and duely executed according to Charondas law , it must needes have a healing influence upon all the parties , degrees or qualities in these divided nations ; since the exemplary execution of such leading Innovators wil so terrifie all others that they will not dare mutter one word for the future against our antient fundamental government by King , Lords and Commons ; which they are all obliged to maintain by sacred Oaths and Covenants . 3. All the three Nations will Judge Mr. Harrington and his Republican friends are in good earnest for the Government of Oceana , and as Valiant as Sir John Harringtons Ajax , when they shall so fairely adventure a voyage to Tyburne to introduce it . Funis coronat opus . Resolved upon the Question , ( on Mr. Harringtons friends Petition ) that Dr. Chamberlain shall attend him during all the time of his travel with his Gigantick Commonwealth , lest it should miscarry , and be strangled in its birth : That if the orifice of his Brain or Womb be so narrow that the Doctors hands cannot usher it into the world without suffocation , that then ( Caesar-like ) the General Councel of Officers of the Army , shall violently cut it out of his Womb with their swords , rather then it should be still born , though with the Parents death : That if it be live-born , it shall not be christened , till it be able to render an Account of its Faith to Cardinal Mazarin , Dr. Owen , Mr. Nye , and John Canne : That new dipped Col. Bennet , Col. Hewson , Major Packer , and Lieut. Col. Allen , shall be Godfathers ; the Whore of Rome , Mrs. Rolls , Mrs. Haggat , and Mal Cutpu●se Godmothers to it : That it shall be then called by the Fathers name , Harringtons ( not Englands ) Commonwealth , and bear his Arms instead of the superstitious red English Crosse upon its Forhead : That in the mean time it shall be strongly guarded night and day by the Keepers of the Liberties of England , and Col. Fleetwoods Regiment , lest Dr. Chamberlains Denn of Thieves , or the Queen of Fayries , should fteal it away out of its cradle , and put a mishapen Changeling without wit or reason , into its place , to the Parents dishonour , and great disappointment of the hopes and prayers of all the Publicans and Sinners , falsly stiled , the godly people , and Saints of the 3. Nations , who rather desire to enjoy a share in the Commonwealth and Crown lands of England , Scotland and Ireland , than in the Kingdom and Crown of Glory in Heaven , Bonum quo communius eo melius , being a sure principle , and the chief corner-stone on which they intend to build their New Commonwealth , having little private wealth of their own , except Brass Harringtons , to inherit . FINIS .