A just defence of John Bastwick. Doctor in Phisicke, against the calumnies of John Lilburne Leiutenant [sic] Colonell and his false accusations, vvritten in way of a reply to a letter of Master Vicars: in which he desires to be satisfied concerning that reproch. In which reply, there is not onely the vindication of the honour of the Parliament, but also that which is of publike concernment, and behooves all well affected subjects to looke into. Printed and published with license according to order. Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A76083 of text R212430 in the English Short Title Catalog (Thomason E265_2). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. 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A76083) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 123452) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 44:E265[2]) A just defence of John Bastwick. Doctor in Phisicke, against the calumnies of John Lilburne Leiutenant [sic] Colonell and his false accusations, vvritten in way of a reply to a letter of Master Vicars: in which he desires to be satisfied concerning that reproch. In which reply, there is not onely the vindication of the honour of the Parliament, but also that which is of publike concernment, and behooves all well affected subjects to looke into. Printed and published with license according to order. Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. Vicars, John, 1579 or 80-1652. [2], 22, 31-42 p. by F. Leech, for Michaell Sparke Junior, and are to be sold at the Blue-Bible in Green-Arbor, Printed at London : 1645. Includes the letter from John Vicars. Variant: after p. 22 pages are numbered: 21, 32, 33, 20, 17, 36, 37, 16, 39, 40, 41, 42. Annotation on Thomason copy: "Aug: 30". Reproduction of the original in the British Library. eng Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657 -- Early works to 1800. Great Britain -- Politics and government -- 1642-1649 -- Early works to 1800. A76083 R212430 (Thomason E265_2). civilwar no A just defence of John Bastwick. Doctor in Phisicke, against the calumnies of John Lilburne Leiutenant [sic] Colonell and his false accusati Bastwick, John 1645 22184 116 0 0 0 0 0 52 D The rate of 52 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the D category of texts with between 35 and 100 defects per 10,000 words. 2007-06 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2007-06 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2007-10 Elspeth Healey Sampled and proofread 2007-10 Elspeth Healey Text and markup reviewed and edited 2008-02 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A IVST DEFENCE OF JOHN BASTWICK . Doctor in PHISICKE , Against the Calumnies of John Lilburne Leiutenant Colonell and his false accusations , VVritten in way of Reply to a Letter OF Master VICARS : In which he desires to be satisfied concerning that Reproch . In which Reply , there is not onely the Vindication of the Honour of the Parliament , but also that which is of publike Concernment , and behooves all well affected SUBJECTS to looke into . Printed and published with License according to Order . Printed at London by F. Leech , for Michaell Sparke Junior , and are to be sold at the Blue-Bible in Green-Arbor , 1645 Mr. Vicars Letter to Dr. Bastwicke , concerning Leiutenant Colonell Lilburne . MVch honoured Doctor , and my most worthy friend , being abroad this Saturday , I heard that Mr. Iohn Lilburne , hath again printed another lavish Letter , which I have not yet seen or read , wherein , together with others , he hath sorely , and I am perswaded most unjustly taxed you , to have done him a great deale of wrong , in his late miscarried businesse about the Parliament , whereas I have ever observed that you have alwayes , since you were first acquainted with him , shewne your selfe his singular good friend , ready to do him all good in word and deed , yea and in these later times of his uncomely miscarriages have spoken very tenderly and friendly of him ; and therefore I cannot ( I say ) be persawded that you have given him any just cause so to complaine or exclaime of you , I therfore humbly desire you ( most honoured Sir ) to vouchsafe to satisfie and certifie me in a word or two , whither any such thing be betweene you or not at this time , though I say for mine own part I am confident of the contrary , but , then I shall be the more groundedly able upon occasion to vindicate your integrity and innocency therin , and the more fully to stop the mouths of any other traducers of you herein : Thus , most noble Sir , whom from my Soule , for your faithfulnesse to God and his Truth , I can never sufficiently prize and honour , praying pardon for this my boldnesse , emboldned therunto by your own Christian Candor and even genuine ingenuity , with the humble tender of my best services to your most worthy selfe and vertuous Consort , I ever rest , Yours in his best poore Services , in the Lord to be commanded , Aug. this 9th 1645. John Vicars . A Iust defence , of John Bastwicke , Doctor In Physieke , Against the Calumnies of Iohn Lilburne , Leiutenant Colonell , and his false Accusations . Mr. VICARS ; AS I have ever found you a truly loving friend to mee and mine heather to , and that in my greatest adversity and hottest conflicts , which with all thankfulnesse I doe acknowledg , and have with reciprocall affection answered your love : So I hope there shall never on my part , any just occasion bee given of violating this our mutuall affection : for to the uttermost of my abilities , I shall endeavour to keepe peace with all men especially my Christian acquaintance . And so confident I am of your good opinion , that there is not any calumny how high so ever it fly , and how loud soever it speake , and by what multitudes soever it be spread obroad and divulged , that can in the least alienate your charity from me before you have heard my just defence . And truly at this time though I should not returne an answer to your Letter in way of justification of my owne integritie , so assured I am of your Love , that al● those foule aspersions that are now causlesly published concerning me , by reason of a Letter printed by Leiu . Col. Lilburne should not in the least stagger your good esteeme of me or estrange you from me : much lesse would they extort a censure from you before you had heard what I had to reply in my owne behalfe . But seeing you have desired for the satisfaction of others to heare from me concerning the busines between me and the Leiut. Colonell , I thought fit to gratifie you in a few lines , not that I am sollicitous about that matter , or that it doth in the least trouble my minde , or disquiet my thoughts : for such is my innocency in this cause , that besides the testimony of my owne Conscience , I have the witnesse of the whole Parliament , the great Councell of the Kingdome to acquit and free me from the Colonells crimination : so that all men may see that it was malitiously laid upon me , onely to make mee hatefull to all good people . You know that Calumny ( who is quicker then Martiall Law ) doth ordinarily arraigne , accuse and condemne men before they have beene heard speake for themselves , and men are usually put to death and murdered in their reputation , and their fame taken from them before they know of it : and thus at this time it hath hapned to me , who am made as odious and infamous as the tongues of Revilers can make me , and that upon no just grounds ; as you shall see by and by . It is a sinne that many in this Nation are highly gui●ty of , who deale not with others as they would be dealt with , and easily receive a reproach against their Neighbour , both which notwithstanding are against the Royall Law of love . Neither is there any man that would not complaine if one should either spread an evill report of him , or imbrace one against him ; yet that they condemne in others is the practise of too too many in these our dayes : and they that sit at the Sterne of Government canno● keepe themselves from the Obliques of such as owe their lives unto them for their care and watchfulnes for their good , and therefore we that are of the low degree may not thinke our condition miserable , when we see our Rulers and the chiefe Magistrates of the Kingdome , and that not onely in tongue and word , but in every scurrilous Pamphlet , hour●●● traduced : But now to the matter in hand . You tell me , you heard That Master John Lilburne hath againe printed another Letter , where in together with others , 〈◊〉 hath sorely taxed me , to have done him agreat deale of wrong , &c. What he hath published concerning others , I leave them to an●wer to that , but what hee hath printed concerning my selfe , it is most false , and no way beseeming him a brother , so to deale with one , that had loved and honoured him , more than he did himselfe , and so farre , I have ever beene from wronging him in the least measure as all that know me , or ever heard me speake of him , when he was accused of pride , rashnesse , malversation factiousnesse of spirit , &c. I say , when I have heard many bla●● him , as well friends as en●mies , they can all witnesse for mee , hee had ever my good word , either wholly to excuse him , and vindicate his reputation , or at least to extenuate his offence : so that I am not in the lest thing guilty of disaffection to him , much lesse of that , hee layeth to my chrge , yea , had it beene true , that hee chargeth mee with , yet it had beene no more a cryme in me , then it was in himselfe , when he not only communicated a businesse concerning Col , Hollis to Mr. Samuell Goose , but afterward made it knowne to some Members of the House ; which saith he , we did without any designe in the world saving the discharge of our duty . Thus he speaketh in his Letter concerning himselfe and Master Goose : Now if they thought it a discharge of their duty , to informe the House of such things as concerned the State , because Robinson said he would justifie it to the death , why should any thinke it a crime in me , to informe the Par●iament of those things that others affirmed ▪ with as great a probability of verity as Robinson did ? Especfally when it concerned the whole Kingdome ? Yea in the 8th page of his Letter hee speaketh of three Citizens , that were come downe from London to Westminster , namely Master Prity a Draper and one of his neighbours in Dowgate ▪ and one Master Worly that lives about Morefields , and all these ( saith he ) were come downe to Westminster , and did give information to 4. Members of the House of Commons , namely to Colonell R●gby , Sir Walter Earle , Col. Long , and Masterr Corbet , concerning Sir John Lenthall and the Speaker , as they had heard it from others , and the which was knowne ( as he affirmeth ) to thousands of Citizens by the hearing of the eare : and all this the Colonell in his Letter , saith , those men were informing the House of ; when he came to Westmin. And in all there so doing I do conceive he thinketh they did but their duty . Why therfore should the very same men , thinke it so hainous a crime & offence now in me , if I made the same information it to the whole House , which they had done to some perticular Members of was it a vertue in them , and a thing praise worthy , and it is a crime and P●aculum in me ? But it was against a friend and a brother to whom , I was exceedingly beholding . First therfore I shal desire you to take his own expression concerning the businesse , and after my reply . His words are these . It seemes Doctor Bastwicke ( a man that stands obliged to me , with as many tyes of friendship and respect , as I am confident he doth to any man in the world , for whom I have often both in England and Holland adventured my life , and all that was mine , and for whose sake and cause , as an earthly instrument I underwent all the sorrowes and miseries , that I suffered from the Bishops for diverse yeares together ) s●nt in a paper to the Speaker to informe him , that I had accused him for sending threescore thousand pounds to Oxford ( though with the said Doctor Bastwicke to my remembrance , I had not any discourse at all about any such businesse : for the discourse I had about that businesse was with Leiutenant Colonell Roes , the Scout-Master Generall , whom I brought up out of the Guarden to the aforesaid three Citizens , that had newly given in their information under their owne hands . Master Worley , one of the three , being Leiutenant Col. Roes old acquaintance , told him more ( I am confident of it ) by many degrees , then before hee had from me . Yet ( as I am informed ) upon Doctor Bastwickes paper● barely , the Speaker g●t a Vote ( before ever I knew any thing , though I all day waited upon the Parliament ) to passe the House in these words . Resolved upon the Question by the Commons assembled in Parliament , that Leiutenant Colonell Lilburne , ●ee forthwith taken into custody by the Sergeant as Armes attending the House , and so kept till the House give further Order . This is his owne expression ; by the which it is manifest , that the information was made to four members of the House of Commons , before my Paper was sent in to Master Speaker , which was about three a clocke in the afternoone : So that I did nothing , but what had beene acted by the three Citizens before . Now if they were not base and paultry fe●lowes and Knaves for doing this , then there is no just ground , nor cause why either Leiutenant Colonell Lilburne , and Mr. Worley and there companions should asperse me with those odious tearmes , and many more , calling mee an Apostate , as they have beene often heard speake , and for no other cause but for informing the House of that which they themselves had done before mee , yet all these calumnies I now under go from these men and of all their fraternitie , and for no other offence but for that they applaud in themselves for a vertue . But now for answer to that which Leiutenant Colonell Lilburne chargeth me with , and for a replication to your request , know this Master Vicars , that it is most false , and that I may expresse my selfe in the words of a Parliament man ( when he had read the printed Letter ) it is a most impetuous lye , for so said a Member of the House to me , that Lilburne had printed a most impetuous lye against me , whiles he upbraided mee , and my ever to be honoured brother Master William Prynne of lying , and to speake the verity , I doe not thinke there was a more grosse and wilfuller untruth ever printed against any man : for I understanding that Leiutenant Colonell Lilburn had given out that I had informed against him , I sent him word by one Mistris Barber , which told me that she was very sorry to heare that I should do such a thing against a brother and a loving friend and fellow sufferer , to whom I meerely replyed , that it was a groundlesse report , and that I never did it , and with all told her , that it was one Hawkins , and desired her to signifie it to my Brother Lilburne , that he might be undeceived , and fearing that she should not relate it unto him , ( though she was then going to him ) and promised me that she would ) the next day finding him waiting on the Committee , I blamed him that he should report such things of mee , and told him that hee had exceedingly wronged me in so doing , in raising such a report and withall signified unto him that it was his friend Hawkins that had accused him : Notwithstanding all this , such is his inveterat malice towards me , because I writ against the Independents , that he printed that falsehood against mee , only as I suppose to bring an Odi●●s upon me through the Kingdome ( for his Letter is now as publike as weekely newes , and in every hands ) and I am induced to beleeve that this was the designe both of himselfe and those that are of his society , because it hath ever beene their ordinary practice , to abuse such in tongue and print withall manner of callumnies and blasting language as they think Malignant and Leiutenant Col. Lilburne by name , is notorious , and famous for this faculty of reviling , as this his printed letter doth specifie and his many other Pamphlets , and that which not long since he printed against Col. King a Lincolnshire Gentleman who had deserved as wel from the Parliament and his Country ( if famelye not ) as most of those that have bin in publike service for the State ▪ and who exposed himselfe to as many dangers , and did as faithfully discharge his place and the trust committed to him as any man : yet this man , because he opposed the Independent party , and would not whiles he was in Come mand , suffer them in a disorderly manner to leave the publike Assemblies where the word was faithfully and Orthodoxly preached and vent their own novelties , to the seducing and misleading of the poore people and making a faction in Church and State : For no other ground ( I say ) that ever I heard of , saving that he being a man not only of integrity , but wisdome also and courage , and could not indure to see his Country-men made a pray of to pur●oyners , and such as aymed more at their owne honour and private emolument then at the publique good and dignity of the Parliament ; for these very causes and no other , that ever I could learne what I say with that party hating him , and the Independents joyning with them , by their false informations and clamorus against him and their malitious suggestions , as that he was of a troublesome and contentious spirit , they have made him as odious as any man in the Kingdome , excepting my selfe and my learned and honoured Brother Mr. William Prynne . And Lieutenant Colonell Lilburne not satisfied to raile of this gallant Gentleman wheresoever he came , but printed a most notorious lying Libell against him , and such an one , as all the truly Godly and honest men of that County doe affirme , they never saw more prodigious untruthes published against any man : and such of his Country men as are acquainted with him and his abilities know very well , that if hee had but faire play , hee is able for wit and worth to deale with a whole Army of Indepents , and all his enemies , and for valour and skill in Armes he is inseriour to none of them , and whiles hee was in their good esteeme , and before hee opposed their faction , they neither thought nor spake otherwise of him , but as of a brave and diserving Gentleman as can be prov'd by a cloud of witnesses and under the hands of the best of them : but now , because he is adverse to theer way , as with all good reason , hee and all good men , such as love the peace of Sion , and the welfare of the Kingdome , ought to bee , to their whimsy of Independency , therefore that party and their abbettors do most horridly abuse him with all manner of reproaches , and my Brother Lilburne by name , ( as I said before ) hath published such beastly lies of him , as scarse the Sunne ever saw greater , and in the same tracke and path do all the Independent faction walke in , blasting all those they hate with vilifying language , and for this very end and for no other purpose , I perswaded my selfe he published that lye against me , that he might make me despicable , and of no reputation amongst honest men : for in his accusation , hee chargeth me with two crimes , Lying and Ingratitude , either of which were enough to make mee infamous through the World , much more they being both joyned together , and that with aggravation for there is nothing that all ingenious men hate , & abhorre more then alyat , and an ungratefull fellow , and that deservedly neither can any honest man keepe such men company with safety , as are guilty of those crimes . And truly , if I were such a man , the world might justly distaste and abjure mee . Now to prove me a lyer , he thus argueth . The Doctor ( saith hee ) sent in a paper to inform the Speaker , that I had accused him for sending threescore thousand pound to Oxford , though with the said Doctor Bastiwck I had no discourse at all about any such businesse . And therefore he is a notorious ly●t , to affirme that I accused Master Speaker , when I had no discourse with him about any such businesse . And to prove me an ungratefull fellow , and one that had done him evill for good , which is yet a degree of Sin above ungratitude : Hee thus dispureth . Doctor Bostwicke , a man that stands obliged unto mee , with as many tyes of friendship and respect , as J am confident he doth to any man in the world , for whom I have both in England and Holland , adventured my selfe and all that was 〈◊〉 , and for whose sake and cause , as an earthly instrument I under went all the sorrowes and miseries that I suffered from the Bishops for divers yeares together . And for this man to make an information against me and thus to reward mee , rendring me evill for Good , he proclaimes himselfe to the whole world to be an unworthy and ungratefull man , and therefore ought deservedly to be abhorred and abominated of all good people , as a lyer & an unthankfull fellow , and this is the scope of this gallant sword-mans disputation , to wound and distroy his Brothers reputation , and this effect it hath allready produced , that amongst all those of that fraternity ( for they take all pro confesse that he either speaketh or Printeth ) they talke no otherwise of mee then of a base fellow , calling me knave and paultry fellow at every word , and this dialect they have learned of Lieutenant Colonell Iohn Lilburne , who when hee speaketh of me , giveth me no other name , although it is well knowne untill I had declared my selfe against Independency , there were no praises though great enough both for me and my Brother Prynne , such is the ficklenesse and vanity of the poore creature , one day crying Hosanna , and another day crucifie him , if in the least ye displease his humour , and so hee dealeth with the Parliament , who , but the Parliament not long since with Iohn Lilburne ? and now they are a company of Tyrants ? and the supreame Court of Judicature is with him as bad as the High Commission , and the Star-chamber , and worse and all the Judges in the great Councell , as bad as Strafford and the Prelates , trampling downe Magna Charta , and the liberty of the Subjects under there feet , so that if their dealings towards the Subjects be just , he professeth he hath lost his judgment , and must beginne to learne A. B. C. againe , &c. But to wave his dispising of Government , and rayling of dignities , a Sin which God so much abhorrs , 2 Pet. 2. Iude and which belongs to those in authority to redresse , and whom it most concernes . I come to his particular charge against mee , and first , where hee accuseth mee that I put up a paper against him to the Speaker , hee beginnes his crimination with calling , for I never put up a paper against him , neither did I ever in my life inform against him unto any Parliament man , or ever open my mouth to any of the House in his least prejudice to this present day , but have ever spoken well of him to the Parliament , and for this I now say , all the Parliament can witnesse for mee : and so farre I was from making an Information against him about this businesse , that I knew not at that time , that hee had ever heard that Mr. Speaker was accused of any such thing , nor had not knowne it , had not hee himselfe in his letter signified so much that Pendrid had told him such a thing , and therefore I could not informe against him , and in the first paper that I and Colonell King put into the House , wee were so carefull of preserving others reputations , that we named none in it but Haukings . But after we had sent in the first paper , and understanding from others , that Hawkins varied in his relation , and whereas to us he had only by name accused Master Speaker , and Sir Robert Harlow , saying that many more were equally guilty , and hearing that , to others hee in his relaton said there were ten more specifying a certaine number upon this new intelligence , we conceiving that if he would communicate these things to us which were strangers unto him , hee would much more impart his mind to his familiers and those of his owne faction , and seeing him in the company of many of that way from whose sosiety hee then immediatly came and related those things to us , we verily persvvaded our selves that hee had told them also the same things , and thinking vvith our selves if Hawkins should deny his words as probably hee might , that then we might the better corroberat and strengthen our witnesse with their testimonies , which would also have added great force and life to our information as being men of reputation and of good esteeme and credit in the Parliament , and against whom there could be no just exception or suspition of hatred to that party , they being Independents and no Presbiterians , I say for the strengthening of our witnesse , in the next paper wee sent in to the House , wee put in the names of some of those that were in Hawkins company , as Colonell Iret●● , and Lieutenant Colo●●ll Lilburn , for such was the honour we then bare to them , as we had thought to have had their testimony and witnesse , joyned with ours , ( in case that Hawkins should have jugled with us , or denyed any thing he spake to us ) and truly Colonell Iret●n might as well have pickt a quarrell with none at Lieutenant Colonell Lilburne , if he had beene of a malitious and contentio●s spirit : for all that wee intended by naming of them in the paper presented to the House , was for no other end , but to produce their testimonies with ours , if ( as I said before ) Hawkins should have denyed his words . And whether the naming of these men were any wrong to them , or any just cause of a quarell from Lieutenant Colonell Lilburne , I referre it to the judgment of any Sober and discreete man ! But for the saitisfaction of your selfe Master Vicars and all good men , teke the information as it was put up in its formall words , which I am not now affraid to publish because the businesse is now in print by Iohn Lilburne , Lieutenant Colonell , and is now publikely knowne : and because also the innocency of the parties accused , is novv vindicated and commonly taken notice of , there being nothing made good against them , so much as vvith any seeming probability , much lesse proved it being vvell knowne also , that there vvas not any one of reputation that vvere either the accusers or prosecutors of the businesse . But the last information that vvas put up into the House of Commons vvas this ; COlonell Ireton , Lieutenant Colonell Lilburne , Havvkins , and others , having beene serious in discourse in the Court of Requests ; Havvkins comming immediatly from that company said there were strange things discovered against many Members in the House of Commons , and went as high as the Speaker , against whom it would be prov'd , that hee had with his owne hand sent threescore thousand pounds to the King to Oxford , and that many Members had made their Peace , and done strange things , amongst whom Sir Robert Harlovv was one , and that if God had not blest our Army to be in a good condition , the very discovery of these things , would have beene enough to have undone us all . These words were spoken by Hawkins before us , and we are ready to witnesse the same . Edward King . John Bastwicke . These Mr. Vicars , are the very words wee put up to the House , now I appeale unto the judgment of all juditious and moderate Christians , whether there be any one word of accusation either made by me or Colonell King , against Lieutenant Colonell Lilburne , so that it may now appeare unto all men , that it was a most malitious lye , fained against me by my good Brother Lilburne , and published only to defame mee : and which is more to bee taken notice of , that howsoever there were many more besides my selfe tha● put up informations to this purpose against Hawkins , and in this very paper Colonell King by name joyned with me , and that in the first place , yet hee baukes them all and singles me out to make the Theame of his scurrillity , and expose mee to the hatred of all good men . So that now M. Vicars I am confident that you & all who shal see this are satisfied by my just defence for this first point , and so you will all free me from his accusation , and accompt him for his paines a meere calumniating lyer , as hee most justly deserveth . And now I will answer to his other cryme of ingratitude . But that you Master Vicars , and all to whom you shall communicate it , may the better see into the temper of this man , and all that are of his faction , I shall now communicate unto you , first the originall and beginning of my acquaintance with Mr. Iohn Lilburne and of the mutuall affection and reciprocal . Offices that passed betweene us untill hee fell into the boysterous way of seperation & did prosecute it vvith , such violence : and then I will relate unto you his carriage of late towards me , besides his aspertions , in his Letter of lying and ungratitude , and with all tell you some words and passages also of those of his faction , and how causlesly they have abused me in word and deed . When I was a prisoner in the Gate-house , I lay there a whole yeare , & a halfe to my best remembrance , before I saw any Citizen in London , saving my owne kindred , and such people as in whose Houses I had Lodged , when I was forced by the tyrany of the times and my malitious enemies , to wait upon the Courts of Iudicature all the tearme time , for there was scarse a Court in the Kingdome where , Tom Newcomin , Danet , and Richard Daniell , those impious and treacherous fellows out of the rancor and hatred had not put me , notwithstandiug I had bin a meanes to preserve the said Daniel , the Brother of Thomas Newc●min from the jawes of famine , as all the people of Col●chester can witnesse , yet all they conspiring against me out of malice , hoysted me up into the Court of Chancery , Kings Bench , High-commission , &c. so that I was constrained to dance attendance all the Terme long upon one Court or other for many yeares together , untill I was by their prosecution cast into Prison , so that of necessity I was forced into some acquaintance , at for my freinds generally , they were like the Rivers of Arabia , when I vvas in the greatest heat of affliction , and had most need of them to refresh mee , they vvere all dryed up , and as Iobs and Davids friends , either out of base feare of the Beast , they stood a farre of , and so declined me , or else proved miserable comforters and added affliction to my bonds , so that I found that of Solomon true , confidence in an unfaithfull friend , is like unto a broken tooth or a foot out of joynt , for as a broken tooth and a foote out of joynt , not only fails men vvhen they have the greatest need of them , for their sustinance and supportation , but paine , hurt and anoy them , and many times exceedingly torment them , even so it happened to mee , they seldome came to mee , except it were to rate mee , and revile mee , and joyne with my enemies , yet though they fayled mee , I had got some acquaintance by these my sufferings , who now and then came to visit mee , and were kinde unto mee , and these excepted , no Citizens did ever accost me , or come nigh mee in all London for eighteene Moneths . And that which also made me not regarded , nor looked after , some black mouthed Physitians that made Religion their stalking Horse to get into practise , one of the which also , stood really obliged unto mee , in as many Obligations of respect and frindship , as Lieutenant Colonell Lilburne falsely affirmes , I stand bound to him , and yet this man also forgetting al courtifies and humanity , for no other reason , but because I could not applaud all his distempers joyned with the other men unknowne to mee by any familiarity , and with whom to this present day I yet never Changed a word , and they all as it were in a confedracy combined together to defame mee , and spake all manner of evill of mee ( and continue the same trade to this day ) so that in the judgment of all the Citizens that heard of mee and through their calumnies , I was thought worthy of no pitty , and esteemed of a● man no way to be regarded : yea I was condemned by the most of them that heard of mee , as an evill doer , and my punishment thought to little for mee , and they spake generally of mee as of a debaushed fellow and a madman : and all those aspertions were laid upon mee partly out of malice , and partly for feare , least any should make use of mee for their Physitian , for they were sure they should ever find mee at home , when others perhaps would be in the Country when they had greatest need of them , & therfore for feare ( as I say ) least I shold hinder Gri●●s from comming to their Mi●l , & out of envy they often traduced me , and vilified me every where an ordinary practise especially of the independent Physitians , and all that I now say Master Vicars , I think you in part can witnesse : so that I remained a Prisoner of hope , destitute of friends and in a despicable condition , and knew not the face of any Citizen but my kindred , and some few that I formerly made mention of , untill one Mr. Wharton an old Disciple , an honest and a godly man , was sent unto me by a Doctor of Divinity , as prelaticall a man as hee told mee , as any in England , which made the good-old man to wonder , yet hee being a learned man tooke pity of mee , and sent me twenty shillings in Gould , which was the first present I ever received from any man of that function , forbidding him to tell me his name ( which hee concealed faithfully ) with this Message also , that if I were in any necessity , I should make Mr. Wharton acquainted with it , and then I should heare from him , and hee likewise charged him to take a care of mee , ●elling him that he never read any Puritans writings from which he had better satisfaction , and gave me hyperbolicall prayses as he related unto me ; whereupon the ould man began to aske mee , how I subsisted there , and I told him in particular , all my means that was left to support me to a Peny ( and I blesse God I sp●ake it to his Prayse ) I was as well contented with water-gruell in P●●●…lon as ever I was with greatest plenty at liberty , God blessing it to mee and mine , it sustained us and if my poore Wife could purchase one rost joynt of meate in the Weeke , wee thought our selves happy , and our little Children would skippe as much to see a peece of rost meat on the suit , as others would do at any thing of greatest delight or wonder , and would cry out one to another rost-meat , roast-meat , that it would draw teares many times from my Wifes eyes to heare them ( and that that I now speake the Lord in Heaven knowes it is true ) and all this while blessed be God , we had our health ; & looked well , And in this low and contented conditi●n we could have continued without starving , though wee had never had ayde from any mortall man , but I had a very loving Kinsman ( whom you know well Mr. Vicars ) Mr. S●rang by name , who suspecting the worst shewed me may kindnesses and his Children likewise , and he lent me money upon any occasion , and that was no small comfort unto us , but otherwise I was friendlesse and helplesse , untill old Mr. Wharton by that Docters meanes came to me who much incouraged mee , and intreated me I would write something in English , for the people ( saith hee ) understands not Latine , and therefore can reape no benefit by your labours , neither will you ever be knowne unto them and so hee extreamly urged mee that I would write something in English , whereupon I demanded of him what theame hee would put me upon , by any meanes ( saith hee ) write against the Bishops , for he could not indure them , they having utterly undone him two or three times and prosecuted him for the space of forty yeares , whereupon I told him that in few dayes I would do something concerning that Subject , and perceiving that he was a good cheerfull , merry old man , I began with my Letany which when he had heard it made him laugh as if hee had bin tickled , so that I never saw a man more pleasant at a peece of grillery . And the very day he brought some Citizens of good repute into my Chamber , who bestowed a dinner on mee , and after they had heard my Letany once , they were so highly pleased at it , that they int●eated to heare it read again● , and desired each of them a copy of it , and at their departure they shewed themselves very Christianly noble and kind , and gave me ten peece● , which set me up , and this was the first curresie that ever I received from any Citizens that were strangers to mee , neither were they loving to me at that time , but now and then they both came and sent to mee , delighting in my company , so as they commended me unto their Neighbours with compassion grieving as they said , that I should be neglected and no more regarded , and they read my Letany to them also , and so from one to another , by this meanes I came to be knovne , and to be in esteme among some Godly Citizens , and to be acquainted with them , who shewed me many courtesies , vvhich vvas not a little comfort unto my bands vvhich I acknowledge with all thankfullnesse to God and them ( and all these were the old Puritans of E●gland and now Presbiterians , not one of them independent ) and this was the first occasion of my being knowne to the City , And not long after this , the good old Father , brought me acquainted with some young men towardly and fearing God , and they also tooke pleasure in my society , and I was as glad of theirs , amongst the which was Mr. Iohn Lilburne , who as his occasions permitted him , would now and then visit mee , of whom I had then as good an opinion , as of any young man in the Towne , and conceived of him as an honest hopefull and godly youth , and gave him as good councell , as I could give to any , and loved , and esteemed of him , as I did of any of my Christian Brethren , and after some familiarity and more intimate acquaintance , he made knowne unto mee his condition , and told me ( as I remembred ) that he was now , either out of his time , or that it approached that he should be a Free-man ; but withall related unto me , that his stocke was very small to beginne with ( and if my memory faile not ) he tould mee hee had but fifty or threescore pound for his portion , which saith hee , you know , is very li●tle to set up withall , ( But what trade hee was of I know not to this day ) and hee intreated mee , that I would be pleased to give him a Copy of my Let any , and my answer to the Bill of information put up against me in the Star-chamber , saying that hee doubted not but hee should get money enough by them , for he perceived that they were well approved of by all that read or seene them : whereupon I diswaded him from thinking of such a thing , telling him , that it would expose him to great danger , and that it might prove his ruin : but withall , I said , if that hee did really conceive or beleeve that it might bring any benefit unto him and might raise him a stock , that withall my heart , most willingly I would give it him , or any other Copies of anything I had either in Latin or English : but I told him for my Letanies they were all gone , and I had never a Copy left . Then hee demanded where hee ●ight procure one , and I told him , that one Master Vicars a Schoole Master in Christ church had one , and I thought that hee would be willing to let him have it , whereupon Hee intreated mee to write unto you Master Vicars , and so I did earnestly , desiring you to let him have yours , which you most willingly and readily condescended unto : with all you may remember Mr. Vicars , that I used this Argument to make you more willing to pleasure him , that hee was a hopefull young man , but he had but a little stock to begin with , and hee conceived that it might be a meanes the better to set him up , to which you the more willingly listned unto , and freely gave him my Letany . And all this you can witnesse unto . Whereupon John Lilburne repayers to mee , returning many thanks , and tould mee with all , that hee had my Letany , and was now taking his journey into the Low-Countries to print it , and brought with him a young man , whom hee said , he would imploy for the dispersing of his bookes , that he should send over before his returne : but I disswaded him for confiding in that man ( though I had never seene him before ) for I tould him I liked not his lookes , and I was afraid that he would betray him : but notwithstanding what I said , hee ●eied most confidently upon him , professing that he would put his life in his hands , assuring that hee had experience of his fidelity , and seeing that I could not prevaile with him to make use of some other , I left him to himselfe , telling him againe and againe , that I was perswaded hee would prove a false friend unto him , for hee looked like a knave . And all this John Lilburne cannot deny , and as I tould him it came to passe , for he betrayed him to the Prelates afterward , but it was carried so cunningly on the Prelates part , and so craftely by that fellow , that it did not appeare to Iohn Lilburne that he was deceived , though it was palpable to all men besides . But now a word or two of John Lilburnes successe in the Low-Countries , when hee came thither , hee made all speed to print the Letany , with my answer to the Bill of information , and it was no sooner published , but hee got threescore pounds cleerely by it in a few dayes , as hee himselfe hath often related it to mee and others , as I can prove : and had not that base fellow betrayed him , he might for ought I know , have gotten five hundred pounds by it : for never did any apolegy sell better : but as soone as the Bookes were landed in England , and that , that Judas had intelligence of it by John Lilburnes Letters , hee immediatly informed the Prelate of Canterbury of it , who could not endure the very name of my Letany , and forthwith he sent downe a Pursevant vvith plenary authority , to the place where they landed , and surprised all the books & burnt them there where he found them , ( if I have not bin misinformed ) & as soon as Iohn Lilburne was arrived he caused him to be apprehended & cast into rison and after to be censured in the Star-Chamber , and made him most barbarously and cruelly to be whipt , pillired , and gagged , and afterwards to bee most tyrannically abused in the Goale , against all Lawes both of God , Nature , and all humanity , all which hee might have escaped , if hee would have followed my counsell , and had not trusted to his owne wit , and confided in that treacherous fellow , who was his overthrow . This is all true , Master Vicars , that I have now related unto you , and both your selfe and many more can witnesse for me , that I have not in my relation falsified any thing . Now I shall desire you , and all those that shall reade what in truth I have written , to consider , whether I stand obliged to John Lilburne , with as many tyes of friendship and respect , as to any man in the world ( as he affirmeth ) or whether or no , hee is not obliged rather to me in all those tyes of friendship and respect , that was so willing to gratifie him meerely , for a few visets : for I never at that time had received a farthing of mony from him of his own ? Or whether he ventured his life in England and Holland for my sake , or for his own profit and hope of gaine ? Or whether hee underwent those miseries hee speakes of for my cause , or for his owne emolument and benefits which hee affirmeth ? All these things Master Vicars , I referre not onely to your judgment , to bee considered of , but to the wisdom and discretion of all moderate minded men , who if they shall impartially judge , I am most assured , they will determine that the obligation lyes on John Lilburnes part towards me , and not on my part towards him , especially if they shall seriously way all other passages betweene us , which in the following discourse will appeare for I freeley gave him the Copies of both my Letany and answer , never expecting any profit to my selfe by them , or ever looking for any reward from him , or any other thing but his love . And I am most confident , if I could have beene mercenary , as yet I never was , ( who never tooke a penny of my Printer for any thing I did ) I might have had forty pieces at least for the Copies of them : and it will not be a difficult thing to prove what I now say . Now then whether or no , Iohn Lilburne bee not for this my humanity obliged to mee , I leave it to all mens consideration . And whereas hee saith he adventured his life at home and abroad , and underwent all those miseries for my sake and cause , it is most false : for he exposed himselfe to all those dangers , as Mariners doe to all the perills of Sea , for hope of gaine , and of getting a livelyhood for themselves & their Families ; And it is well known that Iohn Lilburne at that time was not so well instructed in the controversies of the Church as uow he seemeth to be , who dares all the World to dispute with him : Neither was it so much his zeale to the Cause , that put him upon that imployment , as the eye he had to his own honour and profit , which in all probability , if he had not beene betrayed , hee would have concommitated his endeavours : and if John had not forgot himselfe , he would as formerly hee hath done acknowledge that I was the best master , and instructour that ever hee had for matters of controversie , and Religion ; so that next unto God he owes his greatest ski●l to mee , who was a good Tutor to him , and I would have him to know that I am yet able to teach him , and a better Schollar then any independant in England , who are yet to learne their Primer in Politickes , and their Catechisme in Divinity , though through the judgment of God upon this Nation which affect Novelties the people are infatuated with that generation of men : and as it is in the song of Moses , Revel. 15. Great and wonderfull are thy workes , Lord God Almightie , and just in all thy wayes , thou King of Saints , to give men over to error because they receive not the truth , in the love of it , that they might be saved , 2 Thes. 2. ver. 10. 11. And if John had but grace in him he would not disdaine at this present , to be advised by me who so long as he followed those wholsome principles , and the good councell I gave him , hee had true honour indeed and might have lived and dyed with comfort and repute , whereas taking those idle courses , and following a company of unstable guidy-headed people out of vaine glory and ambition to have a name of a Champion of the Independents he perpetrates those unwarrantable things that brings dishonour to God and scandalls all Christian Religion , and his holy profession , so that whiles hee would be thought to bee a Teacher and Doctor as Saint Paul speakes , 1 Tim. chap. 1. Hee understandeth not what he speaketh , nor whereof he affirmes , who hath erred from the truth , and is now turned in to vain janglings , not knowing that the end of the Commandement is love out of a pure heart , and a good Conscience , and of faith unfained , which forbids him to rayle of dignities and to speake evill of Government , and injoynes him to obedience , and teaches him in love , to thinke better of others then of himselfe , and to preferre others before himselfe , Rom. 12. v. 10. Phil. 2. and not out of a vapouring humour , proudly and arrogantly to vaunt himselfe , and dare all others , and our of his turbulent and tumultuous spirit to rayse a Faction to the disturbing of both Church and State and the disquieting himselfe and others , to the griefe of all such as wish his good both for soule and body . Now as I have related unto you Master Vicars ▪ the beginning of our acquaintance , and shewed you what the Obligations were that hee sayes , I stand so much ingaged unto him for , so I thinke it not amisse to speake of some other passages of love both from my Wife and my selfe towards him . As for my Wife in the time of my banishment at his sufferings , she was failing to him in no offer of friendship but withall tender affection , shee was ever ready to yeeld him her best assistance in any thing and night and day she was solicitous for his good providing for him a most faithfull and diligent Chirurgion , often visiting him , and stirring up friends to doe him good and according to her owne abilities pleasuring him , in any thing hee stood in need of continually taking order that hee wanted nothing that was sitting for a man in his condition , and had as great a care of him , as if he had been his owne Father , and that when he was diserted of his friends ( as can sufficiently be proved ) and after he was set at liberty , and I was returned from my banishment , we lived in as great amity and affection , as ever any two christian Brethren did , and there was no office of love that I have ever hitherto been failing to him in , either in his sicknesse or in health , notwithstanding in the time of his imprisonment , he falling into acquaintance with sectaries and straglers , was much swarved from those ●uthes , and that purity of doctrine he had learned of me ; yet all this in the least alienated not my affection from him , but I continued as cordiall as ever , rejoycing either to see or heare of him , and of his wel-fare , and he had my prayses wheresoever I came ; and all these were obligations , and so would any others have thought . And this I may also say , that he may thanke me as an earthly instrument ( that I may make use of some of his owne language ) for all the honour he had in the world ; for his acquaintance with me , and his suffering about my books ( as many of the Parliament have often told me ) was the cause that he became so famous , and so well knowne and honoured , whereas otherwise he might have lived and dyed in obscurity , and been knowne no farther then a man can shoot a pelle● with a Trunk , and perhaps not to his next neighbours doore , as it happens in London to many thousands of eminenter men , otherwise for all parts then he , though his abilities are very considerable ; and therefore i● that also he is beholding unto me . Besides , I taught him some courtship by being in my company , and made him sit for all Gentlemens and Noble-mens society ; whereas when he came first to be my Scholler , though he were Honest and Religious , yet he was but a meere country courtier , and very rough hewen , so that he could neither make a legge with grace , nor put off his hat seemly , till I had polished him , and taught him all his postures of courtship , and now he is become a very gallant Fellow , and hath commenced Lieutenant-colonell Lilburne ; and who but John among the controleresses of dripping-pannes , the Independent sisters ? Besides , by my society he bettered himselfe , and that not a little in his language and dialect , and is still beholding to me for many of his best and choysest expressions , as all that know him can say , and all these were obligations , which many a gratefull man would have thought he could never have cancelled , though John has forgot all , which makes me therefore ( though it be contrary to my complexion ) to enumerate them , that every indifferent and intelligible man may see , that Lievtenant-colonell John Lilburne is not alwayes to be beleeved , though he be in print : And that Master Vicars , you may see how fairly I deale with him , I will conceale no curtesie that ever he did me , that all men may behold the extremity of my engagement● towards him . Whilest he was in a good mood , he was very loving and kind unto me in word and deed , and when I was a prisoner in York-shire , he laboured much for my exchange , and writ many Letters to my Wife about it , and sent his Drum once or twice to me to Knarsbrough castle , which was two miles or thereabou●● fr●m the place where he billited , and one of those times he sent me ten shillings , which I esteemed of as a great favour , and in way of thankfulnesse , I gave unto his Drum eleven shillings , as the Captaine and Souldiers there can witnesse , who stood by all the time he or any man talked with me : But by the way , Master Vicars , I will say thus much , that this ten shillings was the first and last money that ever I received from Iohn Lilburnt ; and withall I professe unto you , that notwithstanding all our acquaintance , I never yet brake my teeth with any of his capons , or ever eat of his bread ; yet at that time especially , he shewed his readinesse to pleasure me ; and through his meanes , as I conceive , many other great commanders laboured my exchange , and sent their Drums and Trumpets about it to me , as the Earle of Manchester , and Generall Crumwell ; to both which Honourable Personages , I stand still ingaged , for that excellent favour of theirs : And at my returne , he came lovingly out of the city , with others , to bring me into London . But here let me tell you also Master Vicars , and what I shall say I am able to prove ; that all this time my brother Iohn Lilburne shewed me so much kindnesse , and was so solicitous for my liberty , and came so friendly out to meet me , he not onely conceived me to be an Independent , but reported it that I was of their way , and one of them ; and this , I say , I can prove ; so that it was not pure charity and unfained love , but all under the notion that I was of his judgement , that he shewed me so much favour : For since that I declared my selfe that I was of a contrary opinion ; it is well knowne that he hath not onely relinquished and abandoned me , but in words most reproachfully abused ●e , with all manner of calumnies behind my backe , calling me base fellow , paltry fellow , knave , apostate , an enemy of the Generation of the just , a persec●ter ; and all this before his Letter was printed , wherein he hath to the purpose rayled both upon me and my highly honoured brother Master William Prynne ; but it is his usuall custome thus to asperse the very Nobility and Peers of the Kingdome , if they do● not in all things humour him , as the Illeistrious Earle of Manchester , yea , he spares not the King his Highnesse , nor the Parliament . And for his complices , all that Rabble rout , tagragge and bobtaile , that followed him in these his needlesse and sought for troubles , as Worly by name , and others , they told me , and that in a crowded assembly , that I was very high , but they had knowne me low enough , and that not long since I lived on their almes , and affirmed , that they had kept me from hanging , but now I was turned an Apostate , a persecuter , and an enemy of the godly party , and joyned with the wicked , against the Saints ( it seems they are all Saints ) and that I had ever been factious , insomuch that they could not entertaine me in their hearts , nor so much as pray for me : All these reproaches , and a grea● many more , they cast upon me in the presence of many , when they were in a tumultuous manner attending upon the Committee of Examinations , and that without the least occasion on my part given them , any more then my presence in that place , whether I was summoned to be a Witnesse : And for these men that did thus ignominiously and injuriously relvile me , they were all Lieutenant-colonell Lilburnes followers and abettors , and seconded by him , and all of them unknowne to me , and such as I had never seen ( to my best remembrance ) so much as the very face of any one of them before that day , neither did I ever amongst christians behold such odde complexions and strange looks ; if ever you had seen the picture of Hel , M. Vicars in York-house , where all the postures of the damned creatures , with their grisly lookes are described , and had also taken notice , what ghastly , ugly sower and musteds faces , out of dolour , paine and anguish they made , and had been amongst this company , and had seen what grisly looks they out of malice , rancor and envy to the Presbyterian party , and especially to my selfe had made , and had withall heard their confused , hiddious noyses , calling for the liberties of the Subjects , and for the benefit of Magna charta , and the Petition of Right , and for a publike hearing , you would have thought your selfe in the very Suburbs of Hell , and that these had been the sonnes of Pluto or Pinus ascended out of Orco ; the complexion also of many of them being like the bellie of a Toad ; and to speake the ttuth , Worly was one of the properest Gentlemen amongst them all , and he was the most remarkable and taken notice of , by reason of his habit and busie diligence ; he went that day in a great white and browne basket-hilted beard , and with a set of teeth in his head , much like a Po●-fish , all staring and standing some distance one from another , as if they had not been good friends ; it may be conjectured , he picks them twice a day with a bed-staffe , they looke so white and cleare ; he was mighty diligent about the Common-wealth that day , and the Priviledges of the Subject , and all the fraternity came flocking about him upon all occasions , as a company of Turkyes doe about a Frogge , wondering at her as at a strange sight : Without doubt when the Parliament comes to be recruted , the Independents will make him a Member ; and I am confident he will prove a rotten one , for he looks as if he had gotten a blow with a French colt-staffe , and it is notorious he is a bankrupt of all goodnesse , and whatsoever shew he makes now of Independency , Anabaptisme , or any of the new wayes , or to stand for the Common-wealth , both he and Saint Sprat their Soliciter , have been knaves from their mothers womb ; and therefore Master Vicars , if you have any hand in choosing of Members , let not him have your voyce . But now to speak something of their babble ; how can any man living that either saw them or knows them perfectly , with reason , imagine that I should ever have lived of these mens almes ? most of which , by all conjectures , live and depend on other mens curtesies , and are onely supported by being of that Faction ; for more obscure and ill conditioned fellowes did I never behold : And what a base lye it was in them , to affirme that they kept me from hanging ; whereas I never was ( as all men know ) so much as questioned at any Earre , or in any Court for my life , and therefore had no need of the Psalme of mercy , much lesse of their help in that kind ; and I blesse God , I was never brought so low , that I could not have subsisted without starving , with the stumps of that estate my Father left me , after all the vast expences I was causlesly put unto , by my malicious enemies in all their Courts , although my children would have fared the worse for it , and I should not so comfortably perhaps have undergone my imprisonment , had not my christian friends been some help unto me ; and I can truly say this , and make it appeare , that all that ever I received by way of curtifie , doth not amount by a thousand pound and more , to that meanes my Father left me , besides my Wives portion ; so that I am above two thousand pounds worse , in reall money and estate at this day , besides the losse of my time , for these twelve yeers , since which my troubles began , above eight of which I was kept a close Prisoner , and three of them in banishment ; and they that know what I am now worth , can witnesse the same for me , men of reputation : And therefore they were barbarously insolent so to speake to me ; and indeed all the standers by wondered at their rudenesse and inhumanity towards me , affirming that they never saw a more uncivill and ill conditioned people . But here we may take notice what a slavery it is for any man to be beholding to such a generation of creatures , who upon the least conceived displeasure , will cast their courtesies ( if any ) in the teeth of those to whom they have shewne them , if in the smallest punctillio you be not of their mind : And therefore we are councelled by Saint James , if we want wisdome or any good thing , to aske it of God , who ( saith he ) giveth liberally and upbraideth not , Jam. P. 5. And if these men had ever given me any thing , as I am most confident they never did , yet all the world knowes , that when they gave it , it was for this reason , that they were then of my mind ( for they say now they cannot pray for me ) which argueth their want of charity , their levity , ficklenesse and instability in all their wayes ; but this is that that all their fraternity daily cast in my dish , though I am most assured , if all that ever I received from them , or any of those that are now of that society , it will not all amount to three score pounds , and I am able to make good that I now speak : And yet these are the daily claimours of this people , and onely for my constancy ; for all that have read my books for which I suffered , and know me , can free me from that aspersion of apostacy and faction , and from being an enemy to the truly godly party , and to the Saints , who I honour and love with my life . And after the very same manner , not long since , Master Samuel Goose , one of ●hat way , a man that I never saw , to my best remembrance , till my last enlargement from prison ; yet he also upbraided me with his curtisies , and told me , I had forgot my selfe , and that I had grieved and sadded the hearts of the Saints , and that he was very sorry for me , to see me side against the godly party ; and in a very imperious manner told me , that whilest I writ against the Independents , I writ against Christ and his truth ; and thus did Saint Gander hisse a● me , and Grollise , who is a plaguey Stickler amongst the Independents , and a very busie Solicitor of their affaires , which I am afraid , if they be not speedily lookt unto , will bring ruine upon the whole Kingdome . Master Vi●ars , I have been something longer then I thought to have been , 〈◊〉 I was willing to set before your eye , the full●Narration of all passages between me and Lievtenant-Colonel Lilburn , with his complices & the occasion of our acquaintance , that you and all men may the better judge , whether I stand engaged to this man in so m●ny obligations as he pr●tends , or whether he be not rather obliged to me in them all , and hath proved very ungratefull unto me , who for my good will and love to him , a meere stranger to me at first , and never giving him any just occasion , hath so maliciously and falsly aspersed me to the whole Kingdome , and causelesly brought all the Independent party upon me , who in all places and in all companies ( which I account of for my honor ) most unhumanely rayle on me ; for if he had not laid that calumny upon me , and incensed them against me , I am perswaded whatsoever evill opinion they might have conceived of me secretly , because I differ from them , yet they could never so shamefully have vented themselves in publike , so that he hath proved himselfe guilty of both these crimes , lying and ingratitude , that he accused me of , and wronged both me and all his party , and made all his associates offenders in many respects , by these his pactices ; for in complying with them in his unwarrantable wayes , they have made themselves equally guilty before God and men , and have a great deale to answer for their tumultuous disorderly carriage in all that businesse , which to speak the truth , concerned them not ; neither had there been any just cause of offence given by me ( if they would but deliberately weigh all things with reason among themselves ) if I had indeed informed against Lieutent-Colonell Lilburne , ( which I did not ) neither could it deservedly have been accounted a crime ; for there is no tye of friendship that ought to make me desert my duty to the publike , and to break my Covenant , and violate my Protestation ; by vertue of both which , I ought to informe the Parliament and State of any thing that I thought of common concernment , made for the peace of the whole Kingdome , and the honour of the Parliament , which I am bound to maitaine with the reputation of every Member of that Supreame and Honourable Court ; for they are our Fathers , Magistrates and Protectors , and every Subject that is under obedience ( and that has taken the Covenant and Protestation ) is tyed in as much as in him lyes , to preserve and defend them in their lives and reputation : And if any be informed concerning any one in that Councell , that he should either doe , practice or attempt any thing that tends to the ruine of the rest , and of the whole State and Kingdome , he is in conscience bound to reveale it , ( that if false , the divulgers of such calumnies may receive condigne punishment ; if true , evill may be prevented ) and this I say he ought to doe , though it should be to the prejudice of his nighest alies and intimatest acquaintance ; and this I conceive among the Independents may be thought no unjust act , which this information of mine could not have done , 〈◊〉 I by name , put it up against Lieutenant-Colonell Lilbure ( as he falsly 〈◊〉 me ) for he might as well have freed himselfe from all danger , and 〈…〉 reputation ( if he had told me those things as well as Hankins , who 〈◊〉 ●ithstanding he related them unto us , not as hear-sayes and 〈…〉 others , but as truths , which he said should be proved ; yet this 〈…〉 questioned about it , and but relating that he received and heard it 〈…〉 Colonell Lilburne , he was forthwith discharged ; even so might he have been , if he had modestly told where he had heard that report , and not in a disguised , rebellious and proud manner behaved himselfe : And it makes all men wonder to see the inconsiderable rashnesse of all that party , who fall so violently upon me , for but putting up my paper against Hankins , when Saint Worly and his associates ( for so they would be accounted ) made the same information to four Members of the House before , and have ever since with Spirit Sprat been the onely prosec●tors of that but businesse ; especially they ought not to have been so furio●s against me , when Hankins reported it , that he related it to Colonell King and my selfe for this very end , that the whole matter might be fully searched into , saying , after I had lodged it with the Doctor and Colonell King , I left it , desiring that the naile might be droven to the head , and that the truth might be found out : This was his expression . Now when I have gratified Master Hawk●ns desires , who is the Sagamore of the Independants , and done but my duty & what he and his company would have me to doe , and what they themselves do act ; may it not seeme a strange thing both to your selfe Master Vicars , and all that shall understand the true relation of these things , that the Independants should thus clamour against me , and that for no other cause Lievtenant Colonell should accuse me for lying and ungratitude in the face of the Kingdome ? I am almost of opinion , that many of the Independants when they shall heare the truth , will condemn all their rashnesse in this point ; and truly if ever there were not onely temerity and uncharitablenesse but unjustice in an action it doth appear in their dealing towards me and the Parliament ; for their malice extends not to me onely , but to many Members of the House , yea , it redounds upon the whole Parliament & every particular Gentleman of the same that are Presbyterians ; for Lievt. Col. Lilburn blams them al as guilty of unjustice & unrighteous dealing , and so did all his company , & spak it openly in the presence of hundreds , that there was no just proceeding amongst them , and that they had not the liberty of Subjects and their priviledges , according to Magna Charta , and the Petition of Right , and this they with one accord affirmed openly at the Committee doore ; so that Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne is but their mouth , and the foreman of that Tribe , and what he did , they all owne , and to this day persevere in it ; and not onely so , but labour to spread his Letter through the Kingdome , that so they may with the more facility spread abroad and publish the sentence given by the Lieutenant against the whole Parliament , the better to bring an Odium upon them all ; for in his book he pronounceth sentence against them all , being party , witnesse , jury and judge in his owne cause ; and in his so doing , whiles he cals to Heaven for justice against the Parliament , he shewes himselfe very unjust , and behaves himselfe rather like the wicked Judge , that neither feared God , nor cared for men , then the most righteous Judge of the whole world , who would not condemne the innocent 〈…〉 wicked , as we may see in the 18. of Genesis . 〈…〉 doe beleeve that the Lieutenant conceives very worthily of his own party in both Houses , and thinks that they are just , upright righteous men , and the onely godly party in the Parliament ( for so I have heard the Lieuten. Col. speak ) and I perswade my selfe also that he is not so uncharitable , as to think all the Presbyterian party in both Houses unjust and unrighteous ; now then if there be any either of the Independent party , or of the Presbyterian , that are truly just and righteous in their proceedings , he ought to have spared them ; there is an old saying , we ought not per lutum uni●● totam gent●m perstr●●gere , he should indeed ( if he had knowne any guilty of crime , and if he would have dealt justly ) have singled them out , as he did me , and by name have aspersed them , and not have condemned the whole Councell in one blast , and with one dash of his quill : Any as he deales unjustly with the Parliament , so he he dealeth not very righteously with me and my Brother Pryn for he condemnes us both of lying , yet never convinced me of a lye , nor I hope never shall be able , for I writ nothing in my books against the Independents , but what upon my owne knowledge I can affirme to be true ; yea depose it , having had what I wrote from the Independ●●ts owne mouthes , but that which coroberates what I say ; I can prove all I wrote against them by a cloud of witnesses , the worst of them being better then the best of those witnesses they produced against Sir Iohn Lenthall and Master Speaker ; and therefore that which I writ against their Faction , is so far from being a crime 〈◊〉 a lye , as I stand upon my justification , & undertake upon my life to make good the charge in my postscript against the Independents , or whatsoever I writ in any other book against them . Nay , I undertake to prove a great deale more then I have yet published , and that that may concerne all Presbyterians especially , and make them looke to themselves ; for if they get the day and prevaile , they will spare none of them , for they have a purpose to put downe all the Nobility and Gentry in the Kingdome , ( I speake nothing but what I know , ) howsoever their designe is carried very cunningly ; but let them once attaine unto their purpose at the recruting of the Parliament , which is , to bring in out of all the Countyes , the Independent country Courtiers , to whom they will give instructions for this purpose , and you shall see such an alteration in a little time , that the Nobles and Pears of the Kingdome , and all the Gentry of the same , the Flower and honour of all Nations , to be the most contemptible , and the onely men to be suspected , who by all the Independent party at this day , have beene accused to be the ruine of the Kingdome , and to be of rotten hearts , and the Kings friends ; and this I have heard many of them my selfe speak , and I am confident , it may by many be proved , but this has ever been their evasion , when we accuse them of any thing they say , that they may not all be blamed and judged for the rashnesse of some , when notwithstanding they that uttered such words , spake nothing but what they had learned from their faction , or what they had received from the chiefe heads of them : And it is well knowne that Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne is upheld by that party , and 〈◊〉 , yea animated in all that he doth , as all the crowds and 〈…〉 after him may sufficiently witnesse , and they look upon him as their Champion , applauding all his actions . And it will not be a difficult thing for me to prove whatsoever I have written in my books against the Indepedent party , from their owne bookes , and even from his owne Letter , and the proceedings of that company that followed him to the Committee of Examinations , and their behaviour and carriage there , may abundantly prove my charge in my booke against them ; for they gave lawes to the Committee , and would not be examined but upon their owne tearmes , crying out of injustice , and threatning that they would bring up the whole City , and a thousand such other insolencies they used there for many dayes together ; all which doe manifest , that if in time their party grow a little stronger , they will give lawes to the Parliament , and make them doe what they would have them , or else they will take the authority into their owne hands ; for Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne hath plainly taught his Disciples , that the power that now resides in the Parliament , is inherent to the people , and that those of the Parliament are not to act according to their owne will and pleasure , and boldly taketh upon him to instruct the Parliament and teach them their duty ; and affirmes , that the power is the peoples birth-right , and that they have but entrusted them with it ; so that it seemes if they shall once conceive that the Parliament doth not discharge their trust they have committed unto them , they may resume it when they please , for that must necessarily ensue from his premises ; and this is the Doctrine that he infuseth to all his followers , and onely for to stirre up a commotion in the Kingdome , and to put the people in a heat ; which if the Parliament timely prevent not , they will runne the greatest hazard of being destroyed , that ever any Councell in the world did . And whereas he saith , that when the King went to Oxford , he left many of his friends behind him : I for my part believe that he is one of them ; for I am most assured , that never any friend the King had , hath done the Parliament more wrong and indignity than Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne ; for it was not an apparent enemy to the great Councell , that hath done them this wrong , it was no Aulicus , for then they would have laughed at it , and made themselves merry with it , but it was their friend , their familiar one , that the Common-wealth had fed at her table ▪ and one that the Parliament had in speciall honourd , favourd , and confided in , and who they had stood by in his greatest difficulties , yea , and had preserved his life ; and for this man now to lay so foule things to their charge , as unjustice and tyranny , and trampling downe of the liberties of the Subjects ; oh let not this be spake in ●●b and Askelon ! truly such friends as he is , both are , and will prove , I am afraid , their greatest enemies ; and howsoever he often boasteth and tell●●h them , that he hath drawne his sword in their defence ; it doth appeare , that it was for his owne base ends , for liberty of conscience ( as they call it in their dialect ) which is meer licenciousnesse , and lawlesse liberty , under the pretence of conscience which they aime at , that they may both speake , print and doe whatsoever please●t the●●●lves , both against the Law of God , Nature , and the Religion , and against the great Councell of the Kingdome , Synod , and all good men , which is their daily practice , as all their Pamphlets witnesse , and this his Letter ; for had Colonell Lilburne with a good intention and an honest mind , drawne his sword in the defence of the Parliament , he would not now have drawne his pen to have cut all their throats , and to enrage all the people against them , as in this his Letter he hath done : He telleth many stories of his service for the State , and what danger he hath exposed himselfe unto in their quarrell , and upbraideth them all with their ingratitude , and how little requitall they have made him for all ; there are many in this Kingdome that have adventured themselves as farre as ever he did , out of their love to the publike , and have I beleeve suffered as much as ever he did , yet make no noyse , but with modesty and patience , wait and attend till the great and weighty matters in the Kingdome , will give leave for private businesses : And all men know , that the publike good , the preservation of the whole body , is to be looked unto in the first place ; and then afterward as occasion doth offer it selfe , without damage to the publike ; private bus●nesse and the reliefe of the necessiited , are taken into consideration , and satisfaction is given unto them that can justly complaine ; and this has ever been the practice & custome of all Nations , as the Annals and Histories of all times relate : Neither have such as have been forced to wait , forthwith published disgracefull books , and mutinous complaints against the Councels and States of any Country , to bring them into hatred amongst the people ; neither would such proceedings be thought tolerable in any well governed Country . It is well knowne , that there are many Noble-men and great Gentlemen also of honour and eminency in the Kings Army , that have not onely ventured their lives and all their estates , but are at this day brought to such extremities and necessities , as to relate would exceed beliefe , so that many of those that had some three , some four thousands by the yeer , some more , are brought to such streights , as they have not bread to put in their families mouths , nor cloathing to p●t on their backs ; yet I never heard that they did ever print Letters in disgrace of the King or his Councel and upbraid him with ingratitude towards his Souldiers , because their particular necessities were not satisfied , or because they conceived they were wronged by his Majesties Councel : And I am most assured , that if any of those that follow the King should doe any such thing , or durst attempt to disparage the Kings proceeding , being one of that party , he would not onely be abhorrid by all the Cavaliers , but thought worthy of severe punishment , whatsoever former service he had done his Majesty . Nay , I will speak my knowledge , I have heard a Cavalier say , that if any of their party should have done any thing in this kind against his Highnesse or his Councell , the other Cavaliers would have cut him in pieces : And truly all sober minded men , and such as stand really wel-affected to the Parliament , cannot think those the Parliaments friends , that in this kind write against them and their proceedings : For were it granted , that Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne had done as good service , as he pretends , though there be many that say , that the devisions that he hath caused at Bosterne , and through Lincolnshire , with his preaching up his new Doctrine of seperation ▪ hath done more hurt to the soules and bodies of the people , then all the good that ever he is able to doe . But I say , were it granted that he had done all good service without exception ; yet the disgrace and evill he hath now done to the State , hath surpassed all the good he speaks of : Many Cowes you know Master Vicars ordinarily give good milk , and then scummer in the payle , by which they spoile all that they had given down ; even so it is in this case with Lieutenant-Colonel Lilburne , what he hath formerly built up , that he hath now throwne downe : He may remember what the Lord saith , Ezek. 10. If the righteous turneth from his righteousnesse , and doth that which is evill , I will forget all his righteousnesse , saith the Lord &c. So if a Commander doe faithfull service for a time to a State , as the Hothams did , or as ●holmly , and afterwards turne traitors , must the memory of their former service hinder the course of justice ? I trow not ; if a servant for some time shall doe good service for his Master , and afterwards prove unfaithful , or purloyne his goods , and labour to destroy him , is his former service to be taken any notice of ? it is perseverance in any good that crowneth all ; and therefore it is but a poore grollety to speak of good service formerly done , when they are acting all the evill that men can well act against a State or Kingdome . But one thing is very observable , he would brand me with great ingratitude , and as if I had forgot what he had done for me , and in the meane time he is guilty of the same crime : For it is well knowne , that the Parliament not onely saved his life , but delivered him from his slavery and captivity , and greatly honoured him , and for ought I know , would have made him a full satisfaction for all his damage and suffering by the unjust Courts , when from their publike affaires , they could have been permitted to have listned to private grievances ; yet he hath forgot all this their curtesie , and singular humanity , and now flings dirt in all their faces , and so despightfully abuseth them , as no ordinary well bred man would abuse an ordinary base fellow : But because this is a businesse that concerneth the honour of the whole House , which he hath so contumeliously blasted , I shall leave that to their grave wisdome ; onely out of my duty to that great Councell , the Supreame Court of the Kingdome , I may say thus much , that the whole Kingdome owe the preservation of their Religion , lives and liberties , to their care and watchfulnesse , and that all our Posterity are bound to be thankfull to them for their fidelity , diligence and infatigable prayers in their common defence , who , all reason will dictate , could have no end for what they have done , but the common good and safety of us all : And therefore it concernes all the people to take heed how they joyne and adhere to Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne , and such factious spirits , who under pretence of defending the Subjects Liberty , raise tumults to bring all to a confusion : And let them ever set before their eyes the story of Cora , Da●●an and Abiram , and seriously weigh what they brought upon themselves by their rebelling against Moses their deliverer and preserver , they cannot be ignorant , that while they assent unto him , and applaud and owne what he rashly and unadvisedly doth , they make themselves equally guilty ; for as David saith , Psal. 50. He that consenteth with evill doers , makes himselfe as guilty as they : So doth the Apostle Paul teach all men , in his Epistle to the Romans , chap. 1. 2. they that consented to those impious and wicked men , were in Gods account as equally guilty as if they had perpetrated al those facinourus actions ; yea , it is the practice of all Courts in all the Kingdomes and Nations of the whole world to condemne the complices of treasons as well as the others : And as no men , no not the Independents themselves , can indeer those that comply with such as they conceive to be their enemies , so they should now make the Parliaments Cause their owne ( for it is their owne indeed ) and think that it highly concernes them all , and i● may be their condition ere long ; for destroy once the power of the Parliament , and enervate their authority , and you shall shortly see every Country Courtier , fly not onely in the face of the Gentry and Nobility , but indeed every servant become a Master and Mistris , and cast off the yoke of obedience to their Superiours , whether Parents , Masters or Governours ; and therefore it concernes all men , as they will avoyd both the wrath of God and inevitable danger , now to take speciall heed what they doe , in abetting with Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne , in these his temerarious proceedings ; for I well perceive the poore people are all deluded by his false information , and think his imprisonment , and the proceedings of the honourable Committee of Examinations , to be against the liberty of the Subject , and against Magna Charta , and the Petition of Right , all which inviolably remaine to the Subject , notwithstanding whatsoever he pretendeth to the contrary : And as he hath traduced the Parliament causlesly , so likewise in his owne defence he hath abused the holy Scripture ; for there is a vast difference between Saint Pauls ca●se and his , as will quickly appeare , if there be but a true information made of Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburnes businesse , for the story of Pauls sufferings is sufficiently knowne . The verity of the matter is , the Parliament in their proceedings with Iohn Lilburne , have done nothing contrary to the Law of God or nature , or the custome of Nations , and the Lawes of the Kingdome , and therefore so horrid an accusation of the great Counsell is unsufferable : He quarrels the Parliament amongst other things , that he was sent to prison , the cause not being specified of his commitment : If indeed he had been arraigned and condemned before he had been heard , then there had beene a just cause of complaint ; but that they did not in their Warrant set downe the cause both of his apprehension and Commitment : I must confesse for my part , I see no cause why he should make so loud a complaint ; for if there should now in the City of London a conspiracy be discovered , and some of the Conspirators should be appprehended ( under reformation ) I conceive it will not stand with the wisdome of the City Office●s , and with the discretion of those that are in authority , to set down the cause of their apprehension and sending them to prison ; for if their complices should have intelligence of this , that their plot was discovered , they would all either escape away , or attempt some desperate thing that might be destructive to the whole City , and that that might endanger the whole Kingdome ; therefore in such a case as this , it is for the wisdome of the Officers to conceale the conspiracy till they have apprehended all the Delinquents ; and in such a case as this is , and many more , the Magistrate may , as I conceive , send any man to prison without signifying the cause why unto the prisoner : For I read in many places of the Scripture that prisoners have been committed , and there was no cause given either to him that was committed , or to the Goaler , wherefore he was committed , and yet they are not condemned of unjustice for so doing : But when men have been condemned without hearing , or by false witnesses , this hath made it a crime . Neither hitherto have I ever read , that it was counted a crime in a Magistrate , or an unjust thing , or a thing against the Law of God , nature or Nations , to ask any man that is apprehended a question ; or to demand of him , whether he either spake any such words , or heard any such , or did such a thing , or did it not ; for none of both these proceedings were counted a crime in either Ioseph or Ioshua , or any other of the Rulers in Israel ; for Ioseph cast his brother into prison upon suspition , and questioned all his other brethren upon a pretended jealousie , and yet they accused not the Governour of Aegypt of unjustice to their good old Father : Neither was it a crime in Ioseph to question his brethren ( if the businesse had been reall ; ) or in Ioshua to aske Achan whether or no he had taken the wedge of gold : And if either Iosephs brethen or Achan had refused to have answered to the question propounded unto them , til either Ioseph or Ioshua had told them the cause of their apprehension or commitment , I beleeve they might have laine in prison till Dooms-day in the afternoone ( the time that Iohn Lilburne thinks the Parliement will pay him what they owe him ) and no wise man would have condemned the Governour of Aegypt for so doing ; and therefore he most shamefully abuseth the Parliament for their proceedings against him , which stand very well with the Lawes of God , and all well governed Nations ; and the Scripture that he citeth , concerning Paul , was nothing to the purpose , for Paul stood committed , and that upon suspition : But the Judge thought it unjustice to proceed to sentence , before that they had heard what Paul could say for himselfe in his owne defence , and so the Parliament will doe to him ; and I am most assured , he shall have all the faire hearing in the world ; but all this is nothing to Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne's cause , who might have been released , as Hawkins was , and without any dishonour unto him , if he had not disobediently behaved himselfe to the honourable Committee . For they demanding of him a question , which by all the lawes of God and nature , and Nations , they might doe , and to which without offending , he might well have answered ; he contemptuously not onely refuseth to answer , but asperseth them with unjustice , which was the cause of the conti●uation of his commitment , and then his publishing of a libellous and a most dangerous Letter , was a cause of his new commitment to New-gate : And in all this that the Parliament hath done , I am confident when the people shall have a full hearing of the same , and be rightly informed , they will be abundantly satisfied of the justice of the Honourable House . Much I confesse I could say for the justifying of the Parliaments proceedings , not onely in this businesse about John Lilburne , but all their other grave and weighty imployments , to free that great Councell from those aspersions that not onely John Lilburne layeth upon it , but all his complices ; but I shall leave this worke to those that it concerneth , onely by the way let me say thus much both to John Lilburn & his confederates , that they ought alwai● to have speciall care , that whiles they study and labour to offend their enemies , they doe not destroy their preservers , and abuse those men causelesly as wish them as much good as they doe themselves , though they tell them of their faults and errours ; and amongst others all the Independents have most injuriously in word and deed abused my ever honoured brother M. Prynne ; and John Lilburne in this his Letter in speciall , to my knowledge hath most basely and falsly belyed him ; for it is well knowne he was never a favourer of Malignants and such as betrayed strong Holds , as the businesse of Bristow can well witnesse , for the prosecuting of that so cordially inraged many of the Independents against him ; and there be many that can witnesse for my brother Prynne that he was not the cause of the loosing of Gernsey , for had his counsell beene followed both those Ilands at this day had bin under the command of the Parliament ; and what he published concerning the two Captaines it hath been proved by sufficient witnesse , whatsoever they say to the contrary ; and Sir Samuel Luke , a man of honour and approved integrity , would never have questioned them without sufficient witnesse for what he chageth them with ; and as I have bin credibly informed , every thing he accuseth them of is abundantly proved by two or three witnesses . But this is the practice daily of the Independents , that they will owne nothing of that they have said or done , but put men upon the proofe , and then asperse all those that justly question them for lyers and persecutors ; as at this time that confounded taylor Paul Hobson and Richard Beawmon a sucking Apothecary doe , who snip and dose out their Sermons by weight and measure to the infecting , misleading and seducing of the poor people , and the making a disturbance in Church and State ; and these seducers notwithstanding would perswade the world they are sent from heaven , when as it is most apparent they are meere juglers and imposters , and onely make a pray of the people and lead them captive to liberty and licenciousnesse ; such Teachers as these are so farre from a just call from heaven , as they runne before they were ever sent ; so that a man may truly say of such Teachers and Ministers Diabolus caccavit illos : and therefore my reverend brother Master Prynne hath writ nothing but the truth concerning them , and is most maliciously and causelesly abused by Lievetenant Colonell Lilburne , and therefore this that he speaketh concerning him it not to be beleeved , it being an untruth : And as little credit is to be given to that he relateth of himselfe , how he dared Master Prynne to dispute with him , but the Simpleton , as he calleth him , durst not . If Lievetenant Colonell Lilburne had really challenged him in that place , it had bin very incivily done in him ; for the Committee , as it is well known , doth not sit there to heare Disputations , and I beleeve , if he should have shewed himselfe so vaine and light , as to have vented his folly in this kinde , they would not onely have sharply reproved him for his temerity , but have clapt him by the heeles , as they might not have done ; but as I have beene credibly informed , it is nothing so , he never challenged him ; and therefore it is a notorious lye , although it be in Print . And whereas he sayeth , my brother Prynne is besotted and out of his wits in collecting and publishing Marty●● Books and the scurrilities of the Independent party , with many of the blasphemings and railing speeches against the great Councell of the Kingdome and their proceedings , and against the reverend Synod and Assembly , and indeed against all Authority . I conceive he hath done a very good and acceptable worke in reducing their railings , revilings and blasphemies into a volumne , that they may be left to all postity and future ages , that in times to come the following generations may heare what a hideous and monstrous Sect in these last and worst times of the world is now risen up , which speake evill of dignities and all government at pleasure . Neither hath my brother Prynne in this transgressed , but hath imitated all the Prophets and the blessed Apostles and Evangelists , who have lest upon record all the blasphemies of Senacharib , and of all the wicked men in their severall ages ; David hath done the same concerning the enemies of God and his people in his dayes ; the Evangelists also have recited all the blasphemous speeches they spake against Christ and Saint Iohn Baptist , and all the other Apostles have done the same , as Peter in speciall and Iude ; so that by their writings all men may see what a wicked generation of men were then living , and what judgements of God lighted upon them for their so doing , to lesson all people in future ages to take heed by their examples , lest they provoke God by the like wickednesse ; for whatsoever was written was written for our instruction , upon whom the ends of the world are come . Now when my brother Prynne hath in this done nothing but what he hath presidents for , and that out of Gods Word , he is neither besotted nor out of his wits , as he maliciously and falsly asperseth him ; but they rather are besotted that either write , read or entertaine in their houses with delight such wicked Bookes as tend to no other end , but to the corrupting not onely of good manners , but the adulterating of the true Religion and perverting of mens judgements : and yet Bookes of this nature are continually to be found in the hands and houses of all the Independents , and I know few other that are by them either regarded or looked after ; so that it is just with God to give such as they are over to fearefull errours , who leave the fountaines of living waters and digge unto themselves such broken cesternes that hold nothing but puddle and s●inking filth . This I thought by the way to speak in my brother Prynnes behalf , nothing doubting but himselfe , or some friend for him will shortly publish his just defence , against all other reproaches , to the world . And now Master Vicars , I hope you are satisfied concerning Iohn Lilburnes calumnies against me and my brother Prynne , but for a corolary let me say thus much , that whereas Iohn Lilburne would accuse me of ingratitude , I may justly complain of his unthankfulnes & uncharitablenes toward me , who hath rewarded me evil for good ; for all that know me can testifie for me , that I was ever his friend to my power ; but it is not he alone that would make me an ungratefull man , but all of that way asperse me with the same crime ; many of the which notwithstanding , have for smal favors done to me in the time of my imprisonment , been six times over requited for it , as I can prove , and yet they cry out of my unthankfulnesse , and others of them that sent me now and then a Piece , as a token of their love , and as a free gift , when they turned Independents , demanded it all of me againe , and I have paid them every penny , four pounds at a time , according to their asking , and yet they cry out of my ingratitude , and have to my face most basely upbraided me with their kindnesses . Solomon sayth , he that contends with a foole , whether he rage or laugh there is no peace ; so he that hath to doe with the Independents can have no peace with them , if in the least they differ from them ; for if ye be merry with them in telling them of their grolleries , then they say ye jeere them , if ye be serious then they say ye raile , so that no man can tell how to please or humour them or how to enjoy the lawes of civility amongst them , or to have any peace in their societies , neither the Parliament , nor Synod , nor Presbytry , or any government can please them , for if the Parliament will have them fast , then they will feast , and if they would have them feast and be merry , then they will mourne , and set dayes apart for humiliations , and say , they are sad times , nothing can please the Gentlemen , as their practises can witnesse : And truly if ever there were a contradicting people , and an ungratefull generation of men to all sorts of benefactors , these are ; if a man consider things , either in generall or in speciall . As for the Parliament , it is well knowne , that they have honoured that Sect , as much as ever any authority did any , for they have the principall Offices in the Army , and through the Kingdome places of chiefe trust and government put in their hands , the prime places of gaine and emolument likewise bestowed upon them , through all Counties , and are ordinarily as well paid for their service as any , and yet none speak more unreverendly of the great Counsell , more harsh , more bitter invectives against them and their proceedings then they , and more asperse their authority , by their practises then they doe , as all their words , pamphlets , preachings and actions can witnesse . As for their ingratitude towards our brethren the Scots , and it is notorious to all men , for they cannot give them a good word for all their love to us , no not at this time of their di●●esse , when it appeareth to the whole world , that they have by assisting us , not onely exposed all their lives to perill , but endangered their whole Country , and now lye wallowing in their blood at home for being friends to us ; and yet for all this their love , they cannot neither think nor speak well of them ; such ingratitude was never seen in any Nation ; a sinne so great , and crying so loud in the eares of Almighty God , that were this Kingdome guilty of no other , it were enough to bring downe the plagues of God upon us . And howsoever their Ministeus enjoy all our Pulpits , and have such priviledges and immunities without all controle , as was never by any State granted to any sect ; yet they cry out of persecution and ill usage , whiles they themselves abuse the whole world , and persecute in tongue and print , every living thing that in the least doth not please their humour : And for such as have done incomparable favours and curtesies to many of them , and who have entertained them in their houses , by the six monethes together , gratis , with their Wives and Children , and shewne them surperlative humanity , yet in their greatest extremities , when they have been plundered of all , stript naked , and some of them have fled to London with scarce a rag of their backs , and have applyed themselves to some of these Ministers , thinking that they would have retained a memory of former curtesies , they would not own them or scarce look on them ; and when poore Gentlewomen , that lived in time of their prosperity in reputation and honour , and had servants then to wait on them , and being now deprived of all , and brought to beggery , and did onely desire them to get them but a service in some friends house of theirs , professing that they would willingly submit themselves to the lowest condition , rather then be a burden to any , so long as they had their health ; yet they could not by all their importunity extort a good word out of their heads in their behalf ; and when they desired but their wives to give them but one of their old petticoats to cover their nakednes ; for answer , they were told ▪ that they were now going over into the Low-countries againe , and that they had sent over all their cloathing , so that they had nothind left to give away ; and this was two yeeres since , and they are yet in England , and have got very fat Congregations and of chiefe women not a few ; so that had not some Presbyterians and strangers too , taken some compassion of them , they might have starved for all the Independent Ministers and their Wives , as can be proved , notwithstanding they were obliged unto them with all the tyes of friendship ; & when they were in their friends houses , as they had all respectful usage so they looked for it , and expected dayly to eat and drink of the best , or else they might heare of it . But as the ingratitude of the Independents is generally taken notice of , so especially of their Ministers towards their Benefactors ; and their covetousnesse is very remarkable , so that it may be proved , that some of the Independent Ministers have got more in a yeere here in London , then ten Presbyterian Ministers , and yet they are as covetous as ever they were , and as much as ever complaining of want , and of the hardnesse of the times , and for their pharisaicall pride , it is incomparable , and commonly they insinuate themselves into rich acquaintance , and love ever to be where good cheere is stirring , onely in this they differ from the Pharises , for they fasted often , twice or 〈◊〉 a we●ke , and th●se feast and fare deliciously every day ; and if they spare a dinner under pretence of an humiliation , they will be sure to sup exceeding well and of the best ; there is some of them gone downe to the Army , I presume they may trayle them all through Cornwall and Devonshire with a White-pot ; and there is no childe shall leape so at the sight of a Baby as they will skip at the fruition of a Custard ; they will smell a Feast to the remotest parts of Ireland , and the gravy of a chine of Beefe into the middest of Wales , so sensible they are of good cheere ; I dare boldly say that , let a Venison Pasty be the Text , foure Independent Ministers shall open and devide it better and more acurately handle it then any eight Presbyters in the City of London ; so that if yee behold them sometimes at a Feast , you would take them to be the Nephewes of Helliogabalus . There is not any man that shall seriously thinke of them but will say they have very accute senses , that can out of the Americans and out of the Low-Countries smell the good ●heere and plum-pottage into England , which was indeed one of the chiefest causes that made these men leave their charges and flocks there , and choose rather to live among Wolves , Beares , Lyons and Tygars , ( for so they tearme us ) for certainly if it were not good cheere , and their belly that made them dwell amongst us , they would never have lived here , but as long as that last we shall have their company , but when that ceases , their zeale will grow cold ; for they have sent over their treasuries into Holland and into New-England ; but as long I say , as there is a carcase left , they will stay by it ; for our Saviour saith , where the carcase is , thither the Eagles fly , and therefore they are here yet fluttering about , and when they have picked the bones of it well , then they will take take their flight and be gone ; the Lord send us peace and faire weather after them . But in in the meane time Master Vicars , it concernes us all to take heed of them , for they are a very dangerous people in all respects ; for besides their good conditions that I have now named , they are terrible dissemblers , and notorious lyars , as their daily language and libels can witnesse , and this Letter of Lieutenant-Colonell Lilburne testifies ; and you also know what a notorious lye one of their chiefe Pastors told not long since of my reverend brother Waker , and he did not onely divulge it , but stands in the justification of it ; and yet there are divers men , and them of reputation , can witnesse the contrary to what he affirmes , so that no man of a contrary mind , can with safety converse among them ; for they will lay any thing to his charge , and then sweare to it , yea they turne ordinary tale-bearers , the worst of men , and violate many times all the lawes of humanity to satisfie their spleen , and will peccare contra jura jovis hostitatis , and all civility , to doe a Presbyterian a mischiefe ; and thus unchristianly dealt that independent Pastor with my reverend brother Master Waker , to make him od●ous ; and I have taken notice , that it is their practice to tell tales and lyes , and therefore I shun them all ; saving my good Cozen . I must confesse , if at the recruting of the Parliament , the Independent Country Courtiers creepe in there , I doe verily beleeve that the Greeks 〈◊〉 never so pollute the Temple , as they will defile the Honourable House , and then downe also goes the Gentry and the Nobility , and all Churches ; for they begin already to pisse in them , and to scummer in the Pewes of Gentleman , out of a hatred they beare to that name , disdaining that any should be thought greater then themselves ; telling them when they forcibly crowd into their seats , that the Saints have more right to those places then they , and therefore partly for the stinking of them out of their seats , as Baggars doe Foxes out of their holes , by defiling them , these Independent Country Courtiers scummer and pisse in their Pewes ; and partly also they doe it out of hatred to the very structure of the poore Churches , which say they , having been consecrated to Idolatry , ought to be demolished , or else made a Tophet on , and a place of easement , and therefore it is now growne an ordinary ●hing with the Independents thus to pollute Churches ; and some of them would have given seven thousand pound , not long since , for Pauls , that they might have demolished it as an Idol Temple , and so in their judgements the Gentry and Nobility are Idols , and have too long been adored and venerated , and they now desire that honor themselves , and therfore if once they have the power in their hands , and get into the Parliament , then out go all the sons of Belial , fot so they call the Gentry : Therefore if you have any acquaintance with those that are to choose Burgesses for the Parliament , give them a speciall caviat to take heed how they make any of that fraternity Parliament-men ; let them have an eye to the godly and truly religious ( without faction ) and understanding Gentlemen in the Country , that know what really belongs to government : For consider what a deale of misery all the Countryes through the Kingdome are involved in , by reason of the Committees that are composed of those independent Country Courtiers , who generally domineer over the very Noble-men and Gentlemen every where , where they are in authority , and exercise more severity over the Parliaments very friends , then the Lords and Peers of the Kingdome , and the great Counsell doe ever against Delinquents , as all the poore Countries can testifie ; therefore perswade your friends againe and againe , that they make choyce of no Independent Country Courtiers to he Members , for then all the Kingdome will be made Linfie-Woolsie , for they will have all Religions , and give a greater tal●●oti●● then the Devil himselfe , for he will not tolerate all Religions , for you know he persecuted the Woman , the true Religion , in the Wildernesse , but these would tolerate all , and therefore in that point they are worse then sat●● : Therefore if you would avoyd an inevitable confusion , perswade your friends to take heed of the Independe●ts , who have made a combustion in Church and State already . It is said of our Saviour that he would not commit himselfe to 〈◊〉 , because he knew them , John 2. now we have some experience already of all these men , let us therefore take heed of them : Others you know will not commit themselves unto men , because they know 〈◊〉 not ▪ and 〈…〉 is very good reason why they should not ; now for my part I doe beleeve that there is no man can ever know the Independents , and therefore they ought to shun them , for they themselves professe , that they keepe a reserve d●●es ad triarior●s redierit res , and tell us that we put them upon too unreasonable a task , to satisfie us in all things they doe or desire : Now when we know them already by all their actions to be disturbers of Church and State , and violaters of all the Lawes of God and humanity , and enemies of all good people , and notorious lyars , and they themselves confesse unto us , that they have yet a reserve of grolleries , they justly ought of all people to be abominated , for they professe openly , we shall never know them : And thus much I thought fit in way of answer , to reply unto John Lilburnes false accusation , and to speak of all the Independents practises . One thing I may not passe by before I shut up my Discourse ; Lievtenant Colonell Lilburne complaines of some affront given him by some of the Parliament ; as that they slighted him , and made themselves merry with him ( which intimatest friends usually doe with their familiars ) and that much troubled his patience . What would this man have done , thinke you Master Vicars , if he had beene openly abused , as I was by some of the Independent party , and favourers of their way ? 〈◊〉 I but wri● for the Presbytery , and in defence of the Parliament , and the reverend assembly of Divines , against the Independents , who had Printed most scur●ilous Books against them all ; and I was not onely roughly reproved , but threatned also , that they would complaine of me to the Parliament , for undertaking to prove the Presbytery to be jure divin● ; which they told me was against the sense of the House , and therefore punishable in me ; telling me also in a very furious manner , that I was an incendiary and a maintainer of the Kings party : and whereas they had me in their Catalogue , intending upon occasion offered , to have preferred me ; seeing , they said , I tooke this way , I should never have their good word . If he bad 〈…〉 party as I was by the Independents , and that at the Parliament doore , what daggers would not this man have writ and spake thinke you ? For my part , if all the Independents in the Parliament should have spake that which two or three of them did , it should not have moved me so much as the biting of a Flea ; much lesse should it have made me 〈◊〉 any thing in disgrace of the whole Councell , or in the least to have impeached their dignity : nay , had I suffered as much for the Parliament , and from it as any man , I would not for some mens miscarriages , or some necessitated failings , have writ any thing to the dishonour of the whole House ( and God forbid that any Presbyterian in England , should either doe such wickednesse , or favour it in any . ) I shall 〈…〉 or for some 〈…〉 for offences 〈◊〉 come : and therefore I neither thought nor never shall thinke the lesse venerably of the Parliament for the affront that was put upon me by the Independent party ; for as there 〈◊〉 no Family , though never so honest , that hath not a Whore or Knave of their kindred ; so it is impossible in such a great Councell as the 〈◊〉 is , but they should have some ninnyes and grols , and men that have no 〈◊〉 wit then will reach from their nose to their mouth , and are onely sensible ; and therefore people ought not , for a few mens sakes , to traduce the 〈◊〉 Parliament . Neither will I ever suffer it in any whiles I live , but shall ever 〈◊〉 my life defend the honour of the parliament against all Independents , notwithstanding the failings of some Members . And although John Lilbur●● Master Vicars be valiant , yet in defence of my Religion and the Church of England , and for the honour of the Parliament and great Councell , I shall not onely dispute with all the Independents ; though I understand by some of that fraternity , that they have Gyants for learning , as well as Pigmyes , 〈◊〉 I shall also dare in the quarrell of either fight with John Lilburne with 〈◊〉 weapon from a Bodkin to a Pike . But leaving him to his A. B. C. which is a great deale better imployment for him then the grave and weighty matters of State , and the study of po●●●ticks , and the great Mysteries of Divinity ; and commending you and yours to his preservation , who is the keeper of Israel , that neither slumbereth 〈◊〉 sleepeth , with my earnest prayers for a happy peace in this Kingdome , 〈◊〉 the establishing of the true protestant Religion , and of the Parliament ; I remaine Yours , JOHN BASTWICK . FINIS .