Fovre speeches made by Sr. Edward Deering in the high court of Parliament concerning the archbishop and divers other grievances Speeches. Selections Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644. This text is an enriched version of the TCP digital transcription A71308 of text R6943 in the English Short Title Catalog (Wing D1111). Textual changes and metadata enrichments aim at making the text more computationally tractable, easier to read, and suitable for network-based collaborative curation by amateur and professional end users from many walks of life. The text has been tokenized and linguistically annotated with MorphAdorner. The annotation includes standard spellings that support the display of a text in a standardized format that preserves archaic forms ('loveth', 'seekest'). Textual changes aim at restoring the text the author or stationer meant to publish. This text has not been fully proofread Approx. 15 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 11 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. 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[2], 13-14 (i.e. 15) p. Printed for Francis Coles, London : 1641. Original t.p. cancelled; cancel t.p. bound its place. Reproduction of original in Thomason Collection, British Library. eng Great Britain -- Politics and government -- 1625-1649 -- Sources. A71308 R6943 (Wing D1111). civilwar no Foure. Speeches made by Sr. Edward Deering in the high Court of Parliament. Concerning the Archbishop and divers other grievances. Dering, Edward, Sir 1641 2694 61 0 0 0 1 0 264 F The rate of 264 defects per 10,000 words puts this text in the F category of texts with 100 or more defects per 10,000 words. 2003-12 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2004-02 Apex CoVantage Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2004-03 Olivia Bottum Sampled and proofread 2004-03 Olivia Bottum Text and markup reviewed and edited 2004-04 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion FOVRE . SPEECHES MADE BY Sr. EDWARD DEERING in the high Court of PARLIAMENT . Concerning the Arch-Bishop and divers other Grievances . LONDON , Printed for Francis Coles , 1641. sufferer ( as all good men are ) under the gene●… oblique of a P●…itan , as with other things wa●… admirable delivered by that silver Trumpet at the Barr , the Pursivant watched his doore , and devides him and his Cure asunder to both their griefes , for it is not with him as perhaps with some that set the Pursivant at worke , glad of an excuse to be out of the Pulpit , it is his delight to preach . About a weeke since I went over to Lambeth to move that great Bishop ( too great indeede ) to take this danger from off this Minister and recall the Pursivant ; And withall did undertake for Mr. Wilson ( for so is your Petitioner called ) that he should answere his accuses in any of the Kings Courts at Westminster : The Bishoppe made me this answere in His verbis , I am sure that he will not absent from his cure a twelve-month together , and then I doubt not but once in a yeare we shall have him . This was all that I could obtaine , but I hope ( by the helpe of this House ) before this yeare of threats be run out , his Grace will either have more Grace or no Grace at all . For our griefes are manifold and doe ●…ill a mighty and vast circumference , yet so that from every part , our lives of sorrow do lead unto him and point at him , as the Center from whence our miseries doe grow . Let the Petition be read , and let us enter upon the Worke . The second speech . Mr. Speaker . YOu have many private perticular petitions , give me leave by word of mouth to interpose one more generall , which thus you may receive : Gods true religion is violently invaded by two seeming enemies , but in deede they are like Herod and P●…late , ●…ast friends for the destruction of Truth : I meane the Papists for the one part , and out Prelati●…g faction for the other ; betweene these two in their severall progresse , I observe the concurrence of some few paralells , sit ( as I conceive ) to be represented to this honorable House . First , with the Papists there is a severe Inquisition , and with us ( as it is vsed ) there is a bitter High Commission both these 〈…〉 are Iudges in their owne case : yet herein their Inquisi●… are better then our High Commissioners , they ( for ought that I ever heard ) doe not ( 〈◊〉 in 〈◊〉 ) punish for deli●… and offenders such as 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 according as it is established by the Lawes of the Land where they live . But with us , how many poore distressed Ministers ? nay how many scores of them in a few yeares past have beene suspended , degraded and excommunicated ? not guilty of the breach of any established Lawes : The Petitions of many are here with us , more are comming , all their prayers are in heaven for redresse : downe therefore with these Money-changers ; They doe confesse commutation of Pennance , and I may therefore iustly call them so . Secondly , with the Papists there is a Misterious Artifiice , I meane their Index Expurgatorius , whereby they clip the tongues of such witnesses whose evidence they doe not like : To these I parralell our late Imprimators Lycensers for the Presse , so handled , that truth is supprest and Popish Pamphlets fly abroad Cum privelegio , witnes the audatious Libells against true Religion , written by Cossens , Dowe , Heylin , 〈◊〉 , Meade , Shalford , Swan , Roberts , and many more , I name no Bishops but I adde , &c. Nay they are already growne so bold in this new trade , that the most learned Labourers of our antient and best Devines , must be new corrected and defaced with a Deliniatur , by the supersillious penne of my Lords young Chaplaine , fit perhaps for the Tecknicall Arts , but unfit to hold the Chaire for Divinity . But herein the Roman 〈◊〉 is 〈◊〉 then our English Lycences , they thereby doe prove the current of their owne established Doctrines , a point of wisdome ; but with us our Innovators by this Artifice doe alter our setled Doctrines , nay they doe subinduce poynts repugnant and contrary : and this I doe affirme upon my selfe to prove . One Parralell I have more , and that is this : Amongst the Papists there is one acknowledged Pope , supreame in honour over all , and in power , from whose Iudgement there is no appeale : I confesse M. Speaker . I cannot altogether match a Pope with a Pope , yet one of the antient Titles of our English Pri●… , was Alteri●… 〈◊〉 Pope , but thus farre I can goe ( ex ●…re 〈◊〉 ) it is in Print ; he pleades faire for a Patriarchall ; and for such a one whose Iudgement ( he beforehand pro●…th ) ought to be finall , and then I am sure it ought to be unerring ; put these two together , and you shall finde that the finall determination of a Patriarch , will want very little of a Pope , and then we may say , 〈…〉 : he pleadeth Popeship , under the name of a Patriarch , and I much 〈◊〉 the end and toppe of his Patriarch●… 〈◊〉 may be as that of ●…dinall Poole his Predecessor ; who would have two heads , one Cap●…t Reg●…le , the other Cap●… 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , it proud parralell to set up the My●… above the Crowne . But herein I shall bee free and 〈◊〉 , if one there must be , be it a Pope , be it a Patriarch , this I resolve upon for mine owne choy●… , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pr●…t a fu●…ine , I had rather serve one 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as Tyber , then to have him come to 〈…〉 the Thame●… , 〈◊〉 Pope at Rom●… will doe me less●… 〈◊〉 , then a Patriarch may doe at Lambeth . I have done , and for this third parralell , I submit it to the wisdome and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of this grave Committee for Religion : 〈◊〉 : 〈…〉 I doe ground my Motion upon the former 〈◊〉 , and it is this in briefe . That you would bee pleased 〈…〉 Committee of 4. 6. 8. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 and to i●…power them for the discovery of the 〈◊〉 numbers of oppressed ministers , under the Bishops tyrany for these ten yeares 〈◊〉 pas●… , we 〈◊〉 the complain●…s of some , but more 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 are patient and will not complain●… , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fearefull and 〈◊〉 no●… , many dea●… , and many beyond the Seas and cannot complaine . And in the second place , 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Committee may examine the 〈◊〉 , what 〈◊〉 by bad lycence , have been corrup●… issued 〈◊〉 . And what good bookes have beene ( like good Ministers ) silenced , ●…lipped or 〈◊〉 . The worke I conceive will not b●… 〈◊〉 , but will quickely returne into your hands ●…ull of weight . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 this is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The third Speech . Mr. Speaker . THIS , Morning is designed for the consideration of the late Cannons , and the former ; and of that which the Clergy have miscalled a benevolence , I shall for the present , onely touch the first of them , and that is the Roman : V●…lites , who did use to begin the Battaile : so shall I but 〈◊〉 , and s●…rmish , whi●… the maine Battaile is setting forwards . The Pop●… , 〈◊〉 they say ; hath a triple Crowne answerable thereunto , and to support it , hee pretendeth to have a threefold Law . 1. The first that is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Episcopacy by Divine Right : and this he would have you thinke to be the Crowne next his head , which doth circle and secure his power our Bishops have in an unlucky time entred their Plea , and presented their 〈◊〉 to this Crowne Episcopacy ▪ by Divine Right . 2. The second is Ius humanum Constantii d●…notivum , the gift of Indulgent Prin●…s temporall power ; this Law belongs to his middle or second Crowne , this is already pleaded for , by our Prelates in Print . 3. These two Crownes being already obtained , The POPE claimes and makes the third himselfe , and sets it highest upon the top : This Crowne also hath its Law , and that is Ius Canonicum : This Cannon Law is of more use unto his Popeship ( if once admitted ) then both the other . Iust so our Prelats from the pretended divinity of their Episcopacy , and from the temp●…all power , granted them by our Princes , would now obtrude a new Cannon Law upon us : They have charged the Cannons to the ●…ull , and never fearing they would re●… into a 〈◊〉 , they have rammed a prodig●… us and ungodly Oath into them : the illegallity and invalidity of these Cannons , is manifested by one short question , ( v●…s . ) what doe you ca●… the meeting wherein they were made ? Mr. Speaker , who can frame an argument aright , unlesse he can tell against what hee is to argue ? Would you confute the Convocation-house , they were a holy Synod , they were Comissioners ? will you dispute their 〈◊〉 ? they will mingle all power together and perhaps answer , they were something else , that wee neither knew nor imagined ; unlesse they would unriddle themselves , and owne what they were , wee may prosecute non concludent Arguments . Mr. Speaker , I have conferred with some of the Founders of those Cannons , but I professe here , that I 〈◊〉 never meet with any one of that Assembly , who could well answere to that first question of the Catechisme , What is your name ? Alas , they were parted before they knew what they west , when they were together . The summe of all the severall answeres that I have received , doe altogether amount unto this : They were a Convocationall , Synodicall Assembly of Commissioners : Indeed a threefold Chamera , a Monster to our Lawes , a Cerberus to our Religion . A strange Commission , where no Commissioners name is to be found ! A strange Convocation that 〈◊〉 when the Parliament was dead . A strange holy Synod , when the one part never saw nor conferred with the other . But indeed , there needed no conference , if it be true of these Cannons which I read of the former , Quis nescit , Canones Lambetha formari priusquam in Synodo ventilentur ? Well Mr. Speaker , they have Innovated upon us ; wee may say , it is Lex talionis to Innovate upon them , and so I hope we shortly shall 〈◊〉 In the meane time , my humble ●…otion is 〈◊〉 every member of that Assembly , who voted 〈◊〉 Cannons , may come severally to the 〈◊〉 this House , with a Book of Cannons in his hand , and there unlesse he can answer that Catechisme question , as I called it , better then I expect 〈◊〉 can , conceptis verbis , in such expresse I 〈◊〉 as this Honorable House shall then 〈…〉 shall abiure his owne Issue , and bee commanded to give fire to his owne Cannons . And this 〈◊〉 I take to be Iust. FINIS . The fourth Speech . Mr. SPEAKER . YEsterday wee did regulate the most important businesse before us : and gave them motion , so that our great and weighty affaires , are now on their feete in their progresse , iourning on towards their severall periods , where some I hope will finde their latest home . Yet among all these I observe one , a very maine one , to sleepe sine die : give me leave to awaken it ; it is a businesse of an immense weight , and worth ; such as deserves our best care , and most severe circumspection . I meane the Grand Petition long since given in by many thousand Citizens against the dominering Clergy . Wherein ( for my part ) although I cannot approve of all that is presented unto you , yet I doe clearely professe , that a great part of it , nay the greatest part thereof , is so well grounded , that my heart goes cheerefully along therewith . It seemes that my Countrey ( for which I have the honour to serve ) is of the same minde , and least you should thinke that all faults are included within the walles of Troy , they will shew you Iliacos intra muros peccatur & extra . The same grievances which the Cittie groans under , are provinciall unto us , and I much feare they are Nationall among us all . The pride , the avarice , the ambition and oppression , by our ruling Clergy is Epidemicall , it hath infected them all . There is not any , or scarce any of them who is not practicall in their owne great cause in hand , which they impiously doe mis-call , the Piety of the times , but in truth , so wrong a Piety , that I am bold to say , In facinus iurasse putes . — Here in this Petition is the disease represented , here is the cure intreated . The number of your Petitioners is considerable , being above five & twenty hundred names , and would have beene foure times as many , if that were thought materiall . The matter in the Petition is of high import : But your Petitioners themselves are all of them quiet and silent at their owne houses , humbly expecting & praying the resolution of this great Senate , upon these their earnest and thrice hearty desires . Here is no noyse , no numbers at your doore : they will be neither your trouble nor your iealousie ; for I do●… not know of any one of them this day in the towne : so much they doe a●…e in the iustice of their Petition , and in the goodnesse of this house . If now you want any of them here to make avowance of their Petition , 〈◊〉 am their servant . I doe appeare for them and for my selfe , and am ready to avow this Petition in their names , and in my owne . Nothing doubting , but fully confident , that I may iustly say of the present usage of the Hierarchy in the Church of England , as once the Pope ( Pope Adrian as I remember ) said of the Clergy in his time : A vertice c●…pitis ●…d plan●…am pedis , nibil est sanum in toto ordine ecclesiastic●… . I beseech you read the Petition , regard us , and releive us . FINIS . THE. SPEECHES OF Sr. EDWARD DEERING in the high Court of PARLIAMENT . Concerning the Arch-Bishop and divers other Grievances . LONDON , Printed Anno Dom. 1641.