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SIR , I Hear you are elected a Member of this next Convention , and therefore expect to see you very suddenly in Town , but I can tell you my mind more freely in Writing , and you may think better of it when you see it before you , and therefore I have rather chose to give you the trouble of this Paper , than to leave all to a personal Conference at our next meeting . I will not dispute with you about what is past or what is to come ; it is too late to do the first , and as for the second , whatever becomes of other Arguments , Interest is most apt to prevail , and therefore all that I beg of you , is to take care that you do not mistake your own and the Nations Interest in a matter of such high Concernment . There is no less Affair before you than the Fate of Princes , and of three Kingdoms , which requires the most calm , mature , and deliberate Advice ; and yet when you come to London , you will find such Distractions and Divisions in Mens Counsels , that all the threatning Dangers of Popery were not a more formidable prospect to considering Men , all old Animosities are revived , and new ones fomented every day ; some are visibly acted by Ambition , others by Revenge ; the Dissenter is very busie to undermine the Church , and the Common-wealths Man to subvert Monarchy , and the Lord have Mercy upon us all . I doubt not , but you will readily confess , that it is the common Interest to have things setled upon such a bottom , as is most like to last , and then , I am sure , you must consult both Law and Conscience in the matter , and keep to your old establishment as near as you can ; for when there are so many Distempers in Mens Minds , and such contrary Interests , it is no time to innovate , it is no time to lay new Foundations , when there are frequent Earthquakes , which will not give them time to settle : The Revolutions of State have been so quick and sudden of late , that all prudent Men will be cautious how they try Experiments , which are commonly dangerous and uncertain , but especially in matters of Government , which depend on the good liking of free and moral Agents , and when se many Hundred Thousand are to be satisfied , you can never guess at the prevailing Opinion , by the major Vote of a Convention . Let us then consider , what is most likely to give the most general satisfaction to the Nation , for that , I am sure , is most likely to be lasting , and because you may be a Stranger to these matters yet , I will give you an Account of the different Projects now on foot , as well as I can learn them . Some are for sending to the King , and treating with him to return to his Government , under such legal restraints , as shall give security to the most jealous Persons , for the preservation of their Liberties , Laws , and Religion ; and if he will not consent to this , to make the next Heir Regent : Others are for declaring the Crown forfeited or demised , and proclaiming the Princess of Orange : Others will have the Government dissolved , and begin all de novo , and make the Prince of Orange King , or crown him and the Princess together , and Postpone the Title of the Princess Anne , till after the Prince's Death , if he survive the Princess . I shall not pretend to tell you , which of these I should prefer , were it res integra ; for the question is not , which you and I should like best , but which will be the firmest Foundation for the Peace and Settlement of these Kingdoms . 1. As for the first , though it be horribly decried , and such Men foolishly exposed as Friends to Popery and Arbitrary Power ; yet I could never meet with any Man yet , who had the face to reject all Treaty with the King upon any other pretence , but that it was in vain , that it is impossible he should give any Security to the Nation , that he would govern by Law ; which is so ridiculous a pretence , that it will satisfie no body , but those who are resolved , that he shall never return . For , as little as I am versed in this matter , I could frame such Laws , as should put it utterly out of the King's power to invade our Liberties or Religion : However , I am sure , we should have thought our selves very secure , would the King have called a Free Parliament , and given them liberty to have made what Laws they Pleased , and that which would have given such general satisfaction before , had it been granted , I suspect , should it be now granted , and refused , that would give as general dissatisfaction ; nay the very refusal to treat , will be thought such a scandalous neglect of our Duty to a Sovereign Prince , and give such Jealousies to People , that those who oppose it , are only afraid , that the King should comply , as will be the foundation of universal Discontents , which will shew themselves upon the first occasion . It is certain , would the Convention treat with the King , either they would agree , or they would not agree ; if they could not agree upon the proposal of reasonable Securities ; this would satisfie multitudes of People , that they had tried if they did agree , this would give universal satisfaction , and there were an happy end of all our Troubles . But now let us suppose , that Part of the Convention should prevail , which is against treating with the King , and for deposing or setting him aside without more ado ; let us consider what is like to be the most probable consequence of this . It is certain , this fundamental Change in the Government cannot be made by any legal Authority ; for the Convention will not pretend to any such legal Power , and there can be no Parliament without a King ; and a King , whose whole Authority depends upon a Convention , that has no such Authority , is but in a weak state , as to Civil Right : No Man will think himself bound in Conscience to obey him , and when every Mans Conscience is free , let such a Prince beware of Epidemical Discontents . And let you and I calmly consider , what Discontents may probably arise upon such a juncture . 1. First then , all those who think themselves bound by their Oath of Allegiance to defend the Kings Person , his Crown , and Dignity , who wonder at Men of Law , who talk of a Forfeiture or Demise of the Crown , while the King lives , and flies out of his Kingdoms , only for the safety of his Person , and because he will not trust himself in the power of his Enemies ; I say , all such Persons will be greatly discontented at deposing the King , and will never own any other King , while their own King , to whom they have sworn Allegiance , lives ; and tho you should suppose such conscientious Men to be very few , yet if these few should happen to be Persons of Character , of known Prudence and Abilities , Integrity and Honesty , in Church or State , their Examples , would give a terrible shock to such a new tottering Government , tho they were never so tame and peaceable , void of Faction and Sedition themselves . And yet let me tell you , you must not judg of the Numbers of these Men by the late general defection . The whole Nation , I confess , was very unanimous for the Prince , great numbers of Gentlemen , nay of the Kings own Soldiers , went over to him , very few , but Papists offered their Service to the King ; but the reason of this was very evident , not that they were willing to part with the King , and set up another in his room , but because they were horribly afraid of Popery , and very desirous to see the Laws and Religion of the Nation setled upon the old Foundations by a Free Parliament , which was all the Prince declared for ; but many who were well-wishers to this Design , will not renounce their Allegiance to their King ; and now they see what is like to come of it , are ashamed of what they have done , and ask God's Pardon for it , and are ready to undo it as far as they can . 2. Besides a thousand occasions of Discontent which may happen in such a Change of Government as this , which no body can possibly foresee , and yet may have very fatal Consequences , there are some very visible occasions for it besides the sense of Loyalty and Conscience . How many Discontents , think you , may arise between the Nobility and Gentry , who attend the new Court ? Every Man will think he has some Merit , and expect some marks of Favor , to have his share of Honor , and Power , and Profit , and yet a great many more must miss , than those who speed , and many of those , who are rewarded , may think they ha'n't their Deserts , and be discontented to see others preferred before them ; and those whose expectations are disappointed , are disobliged too , and that is a dangerous thing , when there is another , and a rightful King to oblige ; for Duty and Discontent together , to be revenged if a new King , and to be reconciled to an old One , will shake a Throne which has so sandy a Foundation ; the like may be said of the Soldiery , who are generally Men of Honor and Resentment , and have the greater and sharper Resentments now , because they are sensible of their mistake , when it is too late ; yet as they ought not to have fought for Popery , nor against the Laws and Liberties of their Country , so neither ought they to have deserted the defence of the King's Person and Crown , but have brought the Prince to Terms , as well as the King. Thus you easily foresee , what a heavy Tax must be laid upon the Nation , to defray the Charge of this Expedition , and I believe the Country would have paid it very chearfully and thankfully , had the Prince restored to them their Laws , and Liberties , and Religion , together with their King ; but you know Men are apt to complain of every thing , when Mony is to be paid , and it may be it will be thought hard to lose their King , and to pay so dear for it too : And tho what the Convention does is none of the Prince's fault , no more than it was his design , yet angry People don't use to distinguish so nicely . But there is a greater difficulty still than all this : There are no Contentions so fierce as those about Religion ; this gave Life and Spirit to the Prince's Design , and had the main stroke in this late Revolution : And though Popery were a hated Religion , yet most Men are as zealous for their own Religion , as they are against Popery . Those of the Church of England are very glad to get rid of Popery , but they will not be contented to part with their Church into the bargain , for this would be as bad , as they could have suffered under Popery . The several Sects of Dissenters are glad to get rid of Popery also ; but now they expect glorious days for themselves , and what they expect God Almighty knows , for I am confident they don't know themselves . Now consider how difficult it will be , for any Prince , who has but a crazy Title to the immediate possession of the Crown , to adjust this matter so , as neither to disgust the Church of England , nor the Dissenters , and if either of them be disobliged , there is a formidable Party made against them . This being the Case , should the King be deposed , and any other ascend the Throne , it will be necessary for them to keep up a standing Army to quell such Discontents ; for where there are and will be Discontents without any tye of Conscience to restrain Men , there can be no defence but only in Power ; and this will raise and encrease new Discontents ; for it alters the frame of our Constitution , from a Civil to a Military Government , which is one of the great Grievances we have complained of , and I believe English People will not be better pleased with Dutch , or German , or any foreign Soldiers , than they were with their own Country-Men ; and I believe English Soldiers will not be extremely pleased to see themselves disbanded , or sent into other Countries to hazard their Lives , while their Places are taken up by Foreigners , who live in ease , plenty , and safety : And when things are come to this pass , which is so likely , that I cannot see how all the Wit of Man can prevent it ; I will suppose but one thing more , which you will say is not unlikely , that the King return with a foreign Force to recover his Kingdoms , how ready will the Men of Conscience , and the Men of Discontent be to joyn him , nay to invite him home again ; and if he returns as a Conqueror , you will wish , when it is too late , that you had treated with him , and brought him back upon safe and honorable Terms . Secondly , Let us suppose now , that all this should be over-voted ( for I am sure it can never be answered ) and the Convention should resolve to proclaim the next Heir . 1. You must be sure to examin well who is the next Heir , that is , you must throughly examin the Pretences of the Prince of Wales ; and yet if you have not good Proofs of the Imposture , you had better let it alone . For tho the Nation has had general presumptions of it , yet a Male Heir of the Crown is mightily desired , and People would be very fond of him , if they had one , and seem to expect some better Proofs than mere Presumptions against him , because common Fame has promised a great deal more , and if you should either say nothing to it , or not what is expected , it would be a very plausible pretence for discontented People ●o quarrel . 2. Suppose the Princess of Orange should appear to be the next Heir , what if a Lady of her eminent Virtue should scruple to sit upon her Father's Throne , while he lives ? Or what if she should scruple it hereafter , and place her Father in his Throne again ? This is not impossible , for Virtue is greater than a Throne . For my part , I think you will put a very hard thing upon so excellent a Lady , and I pray God give her Grace to resist the Temptation . A Regency is more tolerable , because a Nation must be governed , and none so proper to govern it as the next Heir ; but I should think , none who expect to wear a Crown , should countenance Subjects in deposing their King , nor accept of a Crown upon such Terms , as to take it off of a Fathers Head : It is a dangerous thing for a Prince who has a Title to the Crown , to own that the Crown may be forfeited or demised by such a withdrawing ; if this be not so , the Princess has no Right to the possession of the Crown yet , and if it be so , her Crown is worth a great deal less than formerly it was , especially if she own this Secret by accepting the Crown , which her Ancestors always concealed , and which the best Subjects of England would not believe before ; what they may do after this , I know not . Thirdly , The next Design ( I verily believe without the knowledg or thought of the Prince , who has too great a mind to think of any thing , which in the opinion of any wise Man could stain and fully his Glory ) is to give the Crown to the Prince of Orange , for it must be a Gift , if any thing ; for he has no immediate Title to it , that I know of : This is upon a pretence , that the Government is dissolved , and therefore we must begin de novo , which is very ridiculous , when the King is still alive , and the Laws in as full force as ever , only the Regular Administration of Government at present interrupted by the King's absence ; but this is not the worst of it , for it is a dangerous pretence too , especially to Men of Quality and Estates , as you are ; for if the Government be dissolved , our Laws are dissolved , and Honor and Property dissolved with them , and then I doubt the Mobile will come in for their share in the new Division of the Lands , and set up for Men of as good Quality as any ; for if our Laws are gone , we return to a state of Nature , in which all Men are equal , and all things common ; this I believe you will not be for , for the Reason above-mentioned . If then the Laws continue , the Government is not dissolved , and the Crown is not a Gift , but an Inheritance still , as much as your Estate is ; and then the Prince of Orange cannot have it in his own Right , because his own Princess , and the Princess Anne are befoe him ; consider then what the consequence of this Pro●ect would be . 1. This alters the essential Constitution of the English Government , by changing an Hereditary into an Elective Monarchy , a thing which I know some Men are very fond of : for then the next occasion they can find to quarrel with their Prince , they may with as much ease turn it into a Common-Wealth ; for when the Crown is at the Peoples disposal , they may if they please keep it to themselves . 2. This will entangle all Men of Conscience in new Difficulties ; for the Oath of Allegiance does not only bind us to the King , but to his Heirs and Successors , which must be understood of the next lineal Heir , where there is no Authority to alter it ; and whatever a Parliament may be thought to have with the Authority and Consent of the King , no Man pretends , that a Convention of the Estates has any Legal Authority to do it . I should be as heartily glad as any Man , to see the Prince of Orange legally seated on the English Throne ; but these are Difficulties I cannot break through . Thus I have given you my hasty Thoughts , and pray God to direct you . I am Yours . POSTSCRIPT . There is one thing more , I would beg of you , that the Story of the French League to cut Protestants Throats in England , may be well examined ; for this did more to drive the King out of the Nation , than the Prince's Army ; and if this should prove a Sham , as some , who pretend to know , say it is , it seems at least to be half an Argument to invite the King back again . In short , remember you are a Convention not a Parliament , and therefore nothing can give Authority to what you do , but the good liking of the People ; and as Necessity only can justifie your meeting without the King's Writs , so I hope you will take care to do nothing but what will justifie it self to God , the King , and your Country .