A speech lately made by a noble peer of the realm Shaftesbury, Anthony Ashley Cooper, Earl of, 1621-1683. 1681 Approx. 12 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 2 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2005-12 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A59480 Wing S2901 ESTC R233457 12429343 ocm 12429343 61935 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. A59480) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 61935) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 297:18) A speech lately made by a noble peer of the realm Shaftesbury, Anthony Ashley Cooper, Earl of, 1621-1683. [2] p. Printed for F.S. at the Elephant and Castle near the Royal Exchange in Cornhil, London : 168[1]. A reply to remarks offered by several lords to a speech previously made by Lord Shaftesbury in debate on the King's speech. Caption title. Attributed to the Earl of Shaftesbury. Cf. NUC pre-1956. Imprint from colophon; complete date of publication from other copy. Imperfect: cropped, with loss of text and part of imprint date. Reproduction of original in Yale University Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. 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Keying and markup guidelines are available at the Text Creation Partnership web site . eng Great Britain -- Politics and government -- 1660-1688 -- Sources. 2005-01 TCP Assigned for keying and markup 2005-01 Aptara Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2005-06 Judith Siefring Sampled and proofread 2005-06 Judith Siefring Text and markup reviewed and edited 2005-10 pfs Batch review (QC) and XML conversion A SPEECH Lately Made by a Noble PEER OF THE REALM . My Lord , IN this great Debate concerning the King's Speech , the sad State and Condition we are in , and the Remedies thereof ; I have Offered You my Opinion , and many Lords have spoken admirable well to it , with great Freedom and Plainness , as the Case requires . Give me leave to offer you some few words , in answer to two or three of my Lords of the Earls Bench , that have maintained the contrary Opinion . My Lord , near me , hath told your Lordships , that the President of Hen. the 4. that I offered to you ( who was a Wise and Magnanimous Prince ; and yet upon the Address of his Parliament , put away a great part of his Family , and Councils at one time , ) is no proper instance , because he was an Usurper , had an ill Title , and was bound to please the People . My Lords , I meddle not with his Title . I am sure our King hath a very undoubted one ; But this My Lord must allow , that that wise Prince having need of the People , knew no better way to please them , and to create a good intelligence between them and him , than to put a way those from Court and Council that were unacceptable to them . If our King hath the same Necessity to please the People , ( though for other Reasons than want of a Title ; ) Yet I am sure the President holds , that a Wise Prince , when he hath need of his People , will rather part with his Family and Counsellors , than displease them . My Lords , This Noble Lord near me , hath found fault with that President , that he supposes I offered your Lordships concerning the Chergeable Ladies at Court ; But I remember no such thing , I said ; but if I must speak of them , I shall say as the Prophet did to King Saul , What means the bleating of this kind of Cattel ? And I hope the King will make me the same answer , that he reserves them for Sacrifice , and means to deliver them up to please his People , For there must be , ( in plain English ) My Lords , a change ; We must neither have Popish Wife , nor Popish Favourite , nor Popish Mistriss , nor Popish Counsellor at Court , or any new Convert . What I spoke was about another Lady that belongs not to the Court , but like Simpronia in Catalines Conspiracy , does more Mischief than Cethegus . In this time of Distress , I could humbly advise our Prince would take the same course that the Duke of Savoy did , to suffer neither Strangers nor Embassadors to stay above some few weeks in his Country ; for all the Strangers and Embassadors here , have served the Plot , and Design against us ; I am sure they have no tye to be for us . But my Lords , what I rose up to speak , was more especially to my Lord of the Earls Bench , that spoke last , and sits behind me : Who , as he hath the greatest influence in our present Councils , so he hath let fall to you the very Root of the matter , and the hinges upon which all turns ; He tells you that the House of Commons have lately made offers to the King , and he wonders we do not expect the Kings Answer to them , before we enter into so hot and high Debates . He tells you , if the King be assured of Supplies we cannot doubt of his Complyance in this and all we can ask ; for otherwise the King should fall into that that is the worst condition of a Prince , to have his People have no confidence in him . My Lords , This is that I know they put the King upon , and this is that we must be ruined by , if we may not with Freedom and Plainness open our Case . My Lords , 'T is a very hard thing to say that we cannot trust the King ; and that we have already been deceived so often , that we see plainly the apprehensions of Discontent in the People , is no Argument at Court. And though our Prince be in himself an Excellent Person , that the People have the greatest Inclinations imaginable to Love ; yet we must say he is such an one , as no Story affords us a parallel of : How plain and how many are the proofs of the Design to murther him ? How little is he apprehensive of it ? The Transactions between him and his Brother are Admirable , and Incomprehensible ; His Brother designs being early Known , to aim at the Crown , before his Majesties Restauration to this Kingdom . This Match with a Portugal Lady , not like to have Children , Contrived by the Dukes Father-in-Law ; and no sooner effected but the Duke and his Party make Proclamation to the World , that we are like to have no Children , that he must be the certain Heir . He takes his Seat in Parliament as Prince of Wales , His Guards about him ; The Princes Lodgings at Whitehall , his Guards upon the same Floor , without any Interposition between him and the King ; so that the King was in his Hands , and in his Power every Night : All Offices and Preferments being bestowed by him , Not a Bishop made without him . This Prince changes his Religion to make himself a Party , and such a Party that his Brother must be sure to dye and be made away , to make room for Him , nothing could preserve him , but that which I hope he will never do , give greater earnest to that wicked Party than his Brother could ; and after all , this Plot breaks out , plainly headed by the Duke , his interest and his Design . How the King hath behaved himself ever since the breaking ou● of it , the World knows ; we have expected every hour that the Court should joyn with the Duke against us : And it is evident more hath been done to make the Plot a Presbyterian Plot , than to discover it . The Prorogations , the Dissolutions , the Cutting short of parliaments , not suffering them to have time or opportunity to lo●k into any thing , hath shew'd what reason we have to have confidence in this Court. We are now come to a Parliament again , by what Fate or what Council , for my part I cannot guess ; neither do I understand the R●ddle of it . The Duke is quitted and sent away ; the House of Commons have brought up a Bill to disable him of the Crown ; and I think they are so far extreamly in the right ; but your Lordships are wiser than they , and have rejected it ; yet you have thought fit , and the King himself hath made the Proposition , to make such Expedients as shall render him but a Nominal Prince . In the mean while where 's this Duke , that the King and both Houses have declared unanimously thus dangerous ? Why he is in Scotland raising of Forces upon the Terra firma , that can enter dry foot upon us , without hazard of Winds or Seas , the very place he should be in to raise a party there , to be ready when from hence he shall have notice : So that this being the case , where is the trust ? We all think the business is so ripe , that they have the Garrisons , the Arms , the Amunition , the Seas and Souliery all in their hands ; they want but one good Summe of Money to set up , and Crown the Work , and then they shall have no more need of the People ; and I believe whether they are pleased or no will be no great trouble to them . My Lords , I hear of a Bargain in the House of Commons , and an Address made to the King but this I know , and must boldly say it and plainly , that the Nation is Betray'd if upon any Terms we part with our Money till we are sure the King is ours ; have what Laws you will , and what Conditions you will , they will be of no use but wast Paper before Easter , if the Court have Money to set up for Popery and Arbitrary Designs in the mean while . On the other hand give me leave to tell you my Lords , the King hath no reason to distrust his People ; no man can go home and say , that if the King Comply with his People they will do nothing for him , but ●are all up from him ; we want a Government and we want a Prince that we may trust , even with the spending of half our Annual Revennues , for some time , for the Preservation of these Nations . The growing Greatness of the French can not be stopt with a little Expence , nor without a real and hearty Vnion of the King and his People . It was never known in England that our Princes wanted Supplies either for their Forreign designs , or for their Pleasures ; nothing ever shut the English Purses but the fears of having their Money used against them . The hour that the King shall satisfie the People , that what we give is not to make us Slaves and Papists , he may have what he will , and this your Lordships know and all mankind that know us : Therefore let me plainly tell your Lordships , the Arguments that the present Ministers use , is to Destroy the King and not Preserve him : For if the King will first see what we will do for him , it is impossible if we are in our Sen●es we should do any thing . But if he will first shew that he is intirely ours , that he Weds the Interest and the Religion of the Nation , 't is impossible he should want any thing that we can give . But I see how the Argument will be us'd : Sir , they will do nothing for you , what should you do with these men ? But on the other hand I am bold to say . Sir , You may have any thing of this Parliament ; put away these Men , change your Principles , change your Court , and be your self ; for the King himself may have any thing of us . My Lords , if I have been too plain , I beg your Pardon ; I thought it was the Duty of an English Nobleman at this time to speak plain or never . I am sure I mean well : and if any man can answer or oppose Reason to what I say , I beg they would do it ; for I do not desire or propose any Question . I Beg this Debate may last for some dayes , and that we may go to the bottom of the matter , and see if these things are so or no , and what Cur● there is of the Evil we are in ; and then th● Result of your Debates may produce som● proper Question . However , we know who hears , and I am glad of this , that your Lordships have dealt s● Honourably and so clearly in the Kings presenc● and in the Kings hearing , that he cannot say h● wants a right State of thsngs ; he hath it befor● him , and may take Councel as he thinks fit . London , Printed for F. S. at the Elephant and Castle near the Royal Exchange in Cornhil , 168●