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THis is a calm Subject , and thwarts no common or private interest amongst us , except that of the common Enemy of Mankind ( the Devil ) so I hope that what shall be offered towards the effecting of so universally acceptable a Work as this , and the removal of the innumerable inconveniences that do now and have in all Ages attended this Kingdom , through defect of such Provision for the Poor , will not be ill taken , although the Plaster at first essay do not exactly fit the Sore . In the Discourse of this subject , I shall first assert some particulars , which I think are agreed by common Consent , and from thence take occasion to proceed to what is more doubtful . 1. That our poor in England have always been in a most sad and wretched condition , some Famished for want of Bread , others starved with Cold and Nakedness , and many whole Families in all the out-Parts of Cities and great Towns , commonly remain in a languishing , nasty and useless Condition , Uncomfortable to themselves , and Unprofitable to the Kingdom , this is confessed and lamented by all Men. 2. That the Children of our Poor bred up in Beggery and Laziness , do by that means become not only of unhealthy Bodies , and more than ordinary subject to many loathsome Diseases , whereof very many die in their tender Age , and if any of them do arrive to years and strength , they are , by their idle habits contracted in their Youth , rendred for ever after indisposed to Labour , and serve only to stock the Kingdom with Thieves and Beggers . 3. That if all our impotent Poor were provided for , and those of both Sexes and all Ages that can do work of any kind , employed , it would redound some Hundreds of Thousands of Pounds per annum to the publick advantage . 4. That it is our Duty to God and Nature , so to Provide for , and Employ the Poor . 5. That by so doing one of the great sins ( for which this Land ought to mourn ) would be removed . 6. That our fore-Fathers had pious Intentions towards this Work , as appears by the many Statutes made by them to this purpose . 7. That there are places in the World , wherein the Poor are so provided for , and employed , as in Holland , Hambrough , New-England and others , and as I am informed now in the City of Paris . Thus far we all agree : The first Question then that naturally occurs is , Question , How comes it to pass that in England we do not , nor ever did comfortably maintain and employ our Poor ? The common Answers to this Question are , two . 1. That our Laws to this purpose are as good as any in the World , but we fail in the execution . 2. That formerly in the days of our pious Ancestors the work was done , but now Charity is decreased , and that is the reason we see the Poor so neglected as now they are . In both which Answers ( I humbly conceive ) the Effect is mistaken for the Cause : For though it cannot be denied , but there hath been , and is a great failure in the Execution of those Statutes which relate to the poor , yet I say , the cause of that failure , hath been occasioned by defect of the Laws themselves . For otherwise , what is the reason that in our late times of Confusion and Alteration , wherein almost every party in the Nation , at one time or other , took their turn at tbe Helm ; and all had that Compass ( those Laws ) to Stear by , and yet none of them could , or ever did , conduct the Poor into a Harbour of security to them , and profit to the Kingdom , i. e. none sufficiently maintained the impotent , and employed the Indigent amongst us : and if this was never done in any Age , nor by any sort of Men whatsoever in this Kingdom , who had the use of those Laws now in force , it seems to me a very strong Argument that it never could , nor ever will be done by those Laws , and that consequently the defect lies in the Laws themselves , not in the Men , i. e. those that should put them in Execution . As to the second Answer to the aforesaid Question , wherein want of Charity is assigned for another cause why the poor are now so much neglected , I think it is a scandalous , ungrounded Accusation of our Contemporaries ( except in relation to building of Churches , which I confess this generation is not so propense to as former have been ) for most that I converse with , are not so much troubled to part with their Money , as how to place it , that it may do good , and not hurt to the Kingdom : For , if they give to the Beggers in the Streets , or at their Doors , they fear they may do hurt by encouraging that lazy unprofitable kind of Life ; and if they give more than their proportions in their respective Parishes , that ( they say ) is but giving to the Rich , for the Poor are not set on Work thereby , nor have the more given them ; but only their rich Neighbours pay the less . And for what was given in Churches to the visited Poor , and to such as were impoverished by the Fire ; we have heard of so many and great Abuses of that kind of Charity , that most men are under sad discouragements in relation thereunto . I Write not this to divert any Man from Works of Charity of any kind : He that gives to any in want does well , but he that gives to Employ and Educate the Poor , so as to render them usefull to the Kingdom , in my judgement does better . And here by the way , not to leave Men at a loss how to dispose of what God shall incline their Hearts to give for the benefit of the Poor , I think it not impertinent to propose the Hospitals of this City , and poor labouring people that have many Children , and make a hard shift to sustain them by their industry , whereof there are multitudes in the out Parts of this City , as the best objects of Charity at present . But to return to my purpose , viz. to prove that the want of Charity likewise that is now , and always hath been , in relation to the poor , proceeds from a defect in our Laws . Ask any Charitable minded Man as he goes along the Streets of London , viewing the Poor , viz. Boys , Girls , Men and Women of all Ages , and many in good Health , &c. why he and others do not take care for the setting those poor Creatures to Work ? Will he not readily answer , that he wisheth heartily it could be done , though it cost him a great part of his Estate , but he is but one Man , and can do nothing towards , it , giving them Money as hath been said , being but to bring them into a liking and continuance in that way . The second Question then is , Question 2. Wherein lies the defect of our present Laws relating to the poor ? I answer , that there may be many , but I shall here take notice of one only , which I think to be Fundamental , and which untill altered , the poor in England can never be well provided for , or Employed ; and that when the said Fundamental Error is well amended , it is almost impossible they should lack either Work or Maintenance . The said radical Error I esteem to be the leaving it to the care of every Parish to maintain their own poor only ; upon which follows the shifting off , sending or whipping back the poor Wanderers to the place of their Birth , or last abode : the practice whereof I have seen many years in London , to signifie as much as ever it will , which is just nothing of good to the Kingdom in general , or the Poor thereof , though it be sometimes by accident to some of them a Punishment without effect ; I say without effect , because it reforms not the Party , nor disposeth the Minds of others to Obedience , which are the true ends of all Punishment . As for instance , a poor idle Person , that will not Work , or that no Body will Employ in the Country , comes up to London to set up the Trade of Begging , such a Person probably may Beg up and down the Streets seven years , it may be seven and twenty , before any body asketh why she doth so , and if at length she hath the ill hap in some Parish to meet with a more vigilant Beadle than one of twenty of them are , all he does is but to lead her the length of five or six Houses into another Parish , and then concludes , as his Masters the Parishioners do , that he hath done the part of a most diligent Officer : but suppose he should yet go further to the end of his Line , which is the end of the Law ; and the perfect Execution of his Office ; that is , suppose he should carry this poor Wretch to a Justice of the Peace , and he should order the Delinquent to be Whipt , and sent from Parish to Parish , to the place of her Birth or first Abode , which not one Iustice of twenty ( through pity or other cause ) will do , even this is a great charge upon the Country , and yet the business of the Nation it self wholly undone : for no sooner doth the Delinquent arrive at the place assigned , but for shame or idleness she presently deserts it , and wanders directly back , or some other way , hoping for better Fortune , whilst the Parish to which she is sent , knowing her a Lazy , and perhaps a worse quality'd Person , is as willing to be rid of her as she is to be gone from thence . If it be here retorted upon me , that by my own Confession , much of this mischief happens by the Non , or ill Execution of the Laws , I say better Execution than you have seen you must not expect ; and there was never a good law made that was not well executed , the fault of the Law causing a failure of execution , it being natural to all Men to use the remedy next at hand , and rest satisfied with shifting the evil from their own Doors ; which in regard they can so easily do , by threatning or thrusting a poor Body out of the verge of their own Parish , it is unreasonable and vain to hope that ever it will be otherwise . For the Laws against Inmates , and empowering the Parishioners to take a Security before they suffer any poor persons to Inhabit amongst them ; it may be they were prudent Constitutions at the times they were made ( and before England was a place of Trade ) and may be so still in some Countries , but I am sure in Cities and great Towns of Trade they are altogether improper , and contrary to the practice of other Cities and Trading Towns abroad . The Riches of a City , as of a Nation , consisting in the multitude of Inhabitants ; and if so , you must allow Inmates , or have a City of Cottages . And if a right course be taken for the sustentation of the Poor , and setting them on Work , you need invent no Stratagems to keep them out , but rather to bring them in . For the resort of Poor to a City or Nation well managed , is in effect the Conflux rf Riches to that City or Nation ; and therefore the subtile Dutch receive and relieve , or employ all that come to them , not enquiring what Nation , much less what Parish they are of . Question 3. The third Question : If the defect be in our Laws , how shall we find a remedy that may be rational and consistent ? This I confess is a hard and difficult Question , it is one of the Ardua Regni , and may very well deserve the most deliberate consideration of our wisest Councellors . And if a whole Session of Parliament were employed on this sigular concern , I think it would be time spent as much to the Glory of God and good of this Nation , as in any thing that noble and worthy Patriots of their Country can be engaged in : But seeing I have adventured thus far , I shall humbly proceed to offer some general Proposals that have a tendency towards the effecting this great Work , which being seriously thought of and debated by wiser men , may be capable of snch melioration as may render them in a great measure effectual to the Kingdom in general , although at present , to prevent that common Objection , that great Mutations are dangerous ; I shall only propose them to be experimented in these parts of the Kingdom , which are the Vitals of our Body Politick , which being once made sound , the cure of the rest will not be difficult . Proposition 1. First then I Propose , That the City of London and Westminster , Burrough of Southwark , and all other places within the usual Lines of Cemmunication , described in the Weekly Bills of Mortality , may by Act of Parliament be associated into one Province , or Line of Communication for relief of the Poor . 2. That there be one Assembly of Men ( and such as they shall from time to time appoint and deputise ) entrusted with the care for , and treasure of all the Poor within the said Pale or Line of Communication . 3. That the said Assembly be incorporated by Act of Parliament , with perpetual Succession , by the Name of Fathers of the Poor , or some other honourable and significant Title . 4. That all Constables , Churchwardens , Overseers , or other Officers in all Parishes , within the said Line , be subordinate and accomptable to the said Fathers of the Poor , and their Deputies , for , and in all things relating to the poor . 5. That the said Fathers of the Poor may have liberty to assess and receive into their common Treasury , for relief of the Poor , so much Money from every Parish as they yearly paid to that purpose any of the three Years preceding this Constitution , and to compel the payment thereof , but not of more . 6. That the said Fathers tf the Poor , and their Deputies , may have very large and sufficient power in all things relating to the poor , and particularly to have and receive the charitable benevolence of all persons , once every Lords Day , in every Parish-Church , and in any other Meeting of Pious Christians , and at any other time or times which they shall think fit . 7. That the said Fathers of the Poor , and such as they shall authorize , may have power to purchase Lands , erect and endow Work-houses , Hospitals , and Houses of Correction , and to exercise all other powers relating to the Poor , that any number of Iustices of the Peace now may do , in their Quarter-Sessions , or otherwise . 8. That the said Fathers of the Poor , may have power to send such Poor beyond the Seas as they shall think fit into his Majesties Plantations , taking Security for their comfortable Maintenance during their service , and for their freedom afterwards . 9. That the said Fathers of the Poor may have Power to erect petty Banks , and Lumbards for the benefit of the Poor , if they shall find it convenient , and also to receive the one half of what is paid at all the Doors of Play-houses , and have the Patent for Farthings , and to do whatever else his Majesty and the Parliament shall think fit to recommend to them , or leave to their discretion . 10. That the Treasure that shall be Collected for this purpose , shall be accounted sacred , and that it be Felony to misapply , conceal , lend , or convert it to any other use or purpose whatsoever . 11. That there be no Oaths , or other Tests imposed upon the said Fathers of the Poor , at their admission , to bar our Nonconformists , amongst whom there will be found some excellent Instruments for this good Work , and such as will constantly attend it ( for if they be kept out , the People will be cold in their Charity , and in their hopes of success . ) 12. That the said Fathers of the Poor may constantly wear some honourable Medal , such as the King and Parliament shall devise , besides the Green Staff which is now used in London to such like purpose , ( but upon extraordinary days only ) to denote their Authority and Office at all times , and in all places , after the manner of the Habits in Spain , or rather as have all the Familiars of the Inquisition in most Romish Countries , with admirable effect , tho' to a wicked purpose ; the consequence whereof will be , that the said Fathers of the Poor , being numerous , and dispers'd by their Habitations and Business , into most parts of their Province , will readily see any neglects of Officers , and as easily redress them ; the Medal which they wear about them , being a sufficient Warrant to command Obedience from all Parish-Officers wherever they come , although their Persons be not known there . 13. That the said Fathers of the Poor may have liberty to admit into their Society , and all Powers and Priviledges equal with them , any persons that are willing to serve God , their King and Country , in this pious and publick Work , the persons desiring to be so admitted , paying at their admission 100 l. or more into the Poors Treasury . as a demonstration of the sincerity of their Intentions to labour in and cultivate this most Religious Vineyard . This I only offer , because the number of the said Fathers of the Poor hereafter mentioned , may be thought rather too few than too many . 14. That the said Fathers of the Poor , besides the Authority now exercised by Iustices of the Peace , may have some less limited Powers given them , in relation to the punishment of their own , and Parish Officers , by pecuniary mulcts for the poors benefit in case of neglect , and otherwise as his Majesty and the Parliament shall think fit . 15. That the said Fathers of the Poor may have freedom to set the Poor on work about whatsoever Manufacture they think fit , with a Non-obstante to all Patents that have been or shall be granted to any private person or persons for the sole Manufacture of any Commodity , the want of which priviledge , I have been told , was a prejudice to the Work-house at Clerkenwell , in their late design of setting their Poor Children about making of Hangings . 16. That all Vacancies by reason of Death of any of the said Fathers of the Poor , be perpetually supplied by Election of the Survivors . Quest. 4. The fourth Question is , Who shall be the Persons entrusted with so great a Work , and such excess of power ? This is a Question likewise of some difficulty , and the more in regard of our present Differences in Religion , but I shall answer it as well as I can . In general I say , They must be such as the people must have ample satisfaction in , or else the whole design will be lost : For if the universality of the People be not satisfied with the Persons , they will never part with their Money ; but if they be well satisfied therein , they will be miraculously charitable . Quest. 5. This begets a fifth Question , What sort of men the People will be most satisfied in ? I Answer , I think in none so well as such only as a Common Hall of the Livery-men of London shall make choice of , it being evident by the experience of many Ages , that the several Corporations in London are the best Administrators of what is left to Chaoitable Vses , that have ever been in this Kingdom , which is manifest in the regular , just and prudent management of the Hospitals of London , and was wisely observed by Dr. Collet , Dean of St. Paul ' s , that prudent Ecclesiastick , when he left the Government of that School , and other great Revenues assigned by him for charitable Uses , unto the disposition of the Mercers Company . Object . But here it may be Objected , That Country Gentlemen , who have Power in places of their Residences , and pay out of their large Estates considerable summs towards the Maintenance of their Poor within the afore-limited Precincts , may be justly offended if they likewise have not a share in the distribution of what shall be raised to that purpose . Answ. I answer , the force of this Objection may be much taken off , if the City be obliged to choose but a certain number out of the City , as suppose seventy for London , ten out of Southwark for that Burrough , twenty for Westminster , this would best satisfie the People , and I think do the work : But if it be thought too much for the City to have the choice of any more than their own seventy , the Iustices of Peace in their Quarter-Sessions , may nominate and appoint their own number of Persons to assist for their respective Jurisdictions , and so to supply the vacancy in case of Death , &c. But all must be Conjunctive , but one Body Politick , or the work will never be done . Quest. 6. The sixth Question is , What will be the Advantage to the Kingdom in general , and to the Poor in particular , that will accrue by such a Society of men , more than is enjoyned by the Laws at present ? I answer , Innumerable and unspeakable are the Benefits of this Kingdom that will arise from the Consultations and Debates of such a wise and honest Council , who being men so elected as aforesaid , will certainly conscionably study and labour to discharge their Trust in this service of God , their King , and Countrey . 1st . The Poor , of what quality soever , as soon as they are met with , will be immediately relieved or set on Work where they are found , without hurrying them from place to place , and torturing their Bodies to no purpose . 2. Charitable-minded-men will know certainly where to dispose of their Charity , so as it may be employed to right purposes . 3. House-keepers will be freed from the intollerable incumbrance of Beggars at their Doors . 4. The Plantations will be regularly supplied with Servants , and those that are sent thither well provided for . 5. The said Assembly will doubtless appoint some of their own Members to visit and relieve such as are sick , as often as there shall be occasion , together with Poor labouring Families both in City and Suburbs . 6. Poor Children will be instructed in Learning and Arts , and thereby rendred serviceable to their Countrey , and many other worthy Acts done for Publick good by the joynt Deliberation of so many Prudent and Pious Men , assisted with such a Power and Purse , more than can be foreseen or expressed by a Private . Person . Quest. 7. The seventh Question may be , What shall all the Poor of these Cities and Countries , being very numerous , be employed about ? This Question will be answer'd best by the said Assembly themselves when they have met and consulted together , who cannot be presumed deficient of Invention to set all the Poor on Work , especially since they may easily have admirable Presidents from the practice of Holland in this particular , and have already very good ones of their own , in the Orders of their Hospitals of Christ-Church and Bridewell in London ; the Girls may be employed in mending the cloaths of the Aged , in Spinning , Carding , and other Linnen Manufactures , and many in Sowing Linnen for the Exchange , or any House-keepers that will put out Linnen to the Matrons that have the Government of them . The Boys in picking Okam , making Pins , rasping Wood , making Hangings , or any other Manufactures of any kind , which whether it turns to present Profit or not , is not much material , the great Business of the Nation being first but to keep the Poor from Begging and Starving , and enuring such as are able to Labour and Discipline , that they may be hereafter useful Members to the Kingdom : But to conclude , I say the wisest Man , living solitarily , cannot propose or imagine such excellent ways and methods as will be invented by the united Wisdom of so grave an Assembly . The sitting of the said Assembly I humbly conceive , ought to be , De die in diem ; the Quorum not more than thirteen ; whether they shall Yearly , Monthly or Weekly choose a President , how they shall distribute themselves into the several quarters of the Communication , what Treasurers and other Officers to employ , and where , and how many , will best be determined by themselves , and that without difficulty , because many that will probably be Members of the said Assembly , have already had large experience of the Government of the Hospitals of London ; The manner of Election of the said Fathers of the Poor , I humbly suppose , cannot possibly be better contrived than after the same way which the East-India-Company choose their Committee , which will prevent the Confusion , Irregularity and Incertitude that may attend the Election of Voices , or holding up of Hands ; especially because the Persons to be elected at one time will be very many ; the said manner proposed is , every Elector , viz. every Livery-man to bring to Guild-Hall at the appointed day for Elections , a List of the whole number of Persons , such as he thinks fit that are to be Elected , and deliver the same openly unto such Persons as the Lord Mayor , Aldermen , and Common-Council-Men shall appoint to make the Scrutiny ; which Persons so entrusted with the said Scrutiny , seven , or ten days after , as shall be thought fit , at another Common-Hall may declare who are the Persons Elected by the Majority of Votes . If it be here objected to the whole purpose of this Treatise , that this Work may as well be done in distinct Parishes , if all Parishes were obliged to build Work-houses , and employ their Poor therein ; as Dorchester and some others have done with good success . I Answer , that such attempts have been made in many Places to my Knowledge , with very good intents and strenuous endeavours , but all that ever I heard of , proved vain and ineffectual , as I fear will that of Clerkenwell , except that single instance of the Town of Dorchestor , which yet signifies nothing in Relation to the Kingdom in general , because all other places cannot do the like , nor doth the Town of Dorchester entertain any but their own Poor only , and Whip away all others ; whereas that which I design , is to propose such a Foundation as shall be large , wise , honest , and rich enough to maintain and employ all Poor that come within the Pale of their Communication , without enquiring where they were born , or last inhabited : Which I dare affirm with Humility , that nothing but a National , or at least such a Provincial Purse can so well do , nor any Persons in this Kingdom , but such only as shall be pickt out by popular Election , for the Reason before alledged , viz. That in my Opinion , three fourths at least of the Stock must issue from the Charity of the People ; as I doubt not but it will to a greater proportion , if they be satisfied in the Managers thereof ; but if otherwise not the fortieth , I might say not the hundredth part . I propose the Majority of the said Fathers of the Poor to be Citizens ( though I am none my self ) because I think a great share of the Money to be employed , must and will come from them , if ever the Work be well done , as also , because their Habitations are nearest the Center of their Business , and they best acquainted with all Affairs of this Nature by their experience in the Government of the Hospitals . Earnestly to desire and endeavour , that the Poor of England should be better provided for and employed , is a Work that was much studied by my deceased Father , and therefore though I be as ready to confess as any shall be to charge me with Disability to propose a Model of Laws for this great Affair , yet I hope the more ingenious will pardon me for endeavouring to give aim towards it , since it is so much my Duty , which in this particular I shall be careful to perform ( though I may be too remiss in others ) as shall appear by more visible and apparent Demonstrations , if ever this design , or any other ( that is like to effect what is desired ) succeed . FINIS .