The absurdity of that new devised state-principle, (viz.) that in a monarchy, the legislative power is communicable to the subject, and is not radically in soveraignty in one, but in more in a letter to a friend. Brydall, John, b. 1635? 1681 Approx. 26 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 6 1-bit group-IV TIFF page images. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2008-09 (EEBO-TCP Phase 1). A29939 Wing B5251 ESTC R19834 12258755 ocm 12258755 57704 This keyboarded and encoded edition of the work described above is co-owned by the institutions providing financial support to the Early English Books Online Text Creation Partnership. This Phase I text is available for reuse, according to the terms of Creative Commons 0 1.0 Universal . The text can be copied, modified, distributed and performed, even for commercial purposes, all without asking permission. Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 1, no. 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In a Letter to a Friend . 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 . Hand Multos regnare bonum est , Rex unius esto . LONDON , Printed for T. D. and are to be sold by Randal Taylor , near Stationers Hall , 1681. SIR , YOU cannot but remember , that at our last Meeting , there happened betwixt us , a hot dispute touching Co-ordination , occasioned by your reading the day before a Tract , not long since exposed to publick view , and Intituled , by the Author thereof , An Account of the Growth of Knavery , &c. In a Letter to a Friend , ( In Answer to Two Pamphlets , the one styled , An Account of the Growth of Popery and Arbitrary Government in England ; The other , A seasonable Argument to perswade all the Grand Juries in England to Petition for a New Parliament ; ) in which said Tract there are some Passages that seem very distastful to your Palat , but more especially that Sentence ( pag. 44 & 45. ) concerning the Legislative Power thus expressed by our Author . The Making of Laws ( sayes he ) is a peculiar and incommunicable Priviledge of the Supream Power ; And the Office of the Two Houses in this Case , is only Consultive or Preparative , but the Character of the Power , rests in the Final Sanction , which is in the King ; and effectually the passing of a Bill is but the Granting of a Request ; The Two Houses make the Bill 't is true , but the King makes the Law , and 't is the Stamp , and not the Matter that makes it Currant . This piece of Doctrine [ say you ] is very strong and Heterodox ; for it contradicts , not only your own darling Sentiments , but also the opinion of many other Persons in this Nation , who hold , That the Legislature resides not in the King only , but in him , and in the Two Houses of Parliament ; so that you , and those other Persons fancy a Mixture , or Co-ordinacy in the Supremacy it self , making the English Monarchy a Compound of Three Co-ordinate Estates . This same opinion [ say you ] is founded upon the Authority of the Law Books , which tell us , That every Statute must be made by the King , Lords and Commons ; And if it appear by the Act. that it is made by Two of them only , it is no Statute , as appears by 4 H. 7. 18. b. Co. Lit. 139. b. Co. 4. Inst . f. 25. Co. 2. Inst . 157. 158. 334. Bulstrods Reports , Dominus Rex & Alleu , v. Tooley . These same Authorities I allow as well as you , but then it must be with this distinction , that the Two House of Parliament , are in a sort Co-ordinate with His Majesty Ad aliquid to some Act , or Exercising the Supream Power , that is to say , there is an equal Right in the King and the Two Houses of a Negative Voice in respect of new Laws to be Enacted , or old to be repealed ; But if you intend by Co-ordination ( as indeed you do ) a Fellowship with the King , in the very Supremacy it self , you are much beside the Cushion , and truly in the wrong side of the Hedge too . Because it is repugnant to the nature thereof , and a clear Contradiction , If it be true as it is , that the King is our only Soveraign , there can be no such thing , as a Co-ordinate or Co-equal Power ; If they be Co-partners in the Soveraignty , in what a fine Condition are we , that must be obliged to Impossibilities . For we must obey three Masters , Commanding contrary things . The Two Houses may as well injoyn us to do them Homage , which is , and ought to be performed only to the King , as to challenge a Corrival Power with the Soveraignty of Royalty . 'T is true , no Law can be imposed on us , without the consent of the Two Houses , yet this doth not make them Co-ordinate with their Prince in the very Supremacy of Power it self , but still leaves the Power of Ordaining Supreamly in him as in the Fountain , though the Efflux or Exercise of that Power be not solely in his Will , but expects the Consent of his People ; And therefore 't is very curiously expressed by the Learned Mr. Hooker , That Laws do not take their Constraining Force from the Quality of such as devise them , but from the Power that doth give them the strength of Laws : Le Roy le veult , the King will have it so , is the Interpretative Phrase pronounced at the King 's passing of every Act of Parliament : And it was ( sayes Sir Henry Filmer in that most excellent discourse called Patriarcha ) the Antient Custom for a long time , till the dayes of H. 5. that the Kings , when any Bill was brought unto them , that had passed Both Houses , to take and pick out what they liked not , and so much as they chose was Enacted for a Law : but the Custom of the later Kings hath been so Gracious , as to allow alwayes of the entire Bill ( and sometimes with a Tacking too ) as it hath passed both Houses . So much ( Sir ) in general , touching your fancied Corrivality of Power , I come now to a more close and minute Application , and I argue thus : If the Two Houses have a Joynt and Co-equal Authority with their King in making Laws and the like , it must be one of these two wayes , either it must be Primitively Seated in them , or it belongs to them by derivative participation . First , the Two Houses of Parliament cannot have this Co-ordinate Power vested in them Primitively or Radically ; For are not Both Houses Summoned by the King 's Writ ? Do they not fit in Parliament by Virtue only of the Authority Royal ? Can either the Lords or Commons or both together Lawfully convene themselves , appoint the time and place of their own Meeting ? Our Books of Law can tell you ( Sir ) that the Power of Convocating and keeping of Assemblies of Subjects ; the Power of Calling , Holding and Proroguing of Parliaments is an Essential Part , and Inseparable Privilege of the English Regality . All able Jurists and Polititians very well know , that the King is Caput Principium & Finis Parliamenti , solely made and Created by him , and into him only can be ultimately resolved ; And therefore surely it must be the most unreasonable thing that ever was in the World , that Subjects Assembled by their Soveraign's Writ , should have a Co-equality of Power with their Prince , without whose call they could not meet together , and at whose will and pleasure they are Dissolved in Law , and bound to betake themselves to their own Habitations : And return to the Statu quo of Private Persons and Subjects , whereas Supremacy is a Publick and indelible Character of Lawful Authority . But farther , can the Two Houses of Parliament pretend to be before our First King in time , can they outvy him in Seniority ? Surely , no. As for the Lords , Bracton affirms , that the Earls and Barons were Created by the King , and assumed to him only for Counsel and Advice ; which infers undoubtedly , that the Power they are invested withall , is not by a Contrivement or Reservation ( as some Fanaticks fancy ) at the supposed Making of the First King , but procceds , ex Indalto Regum from the gratuit Concessions of our Princes . But it was Objectect by you in our Disecptation as it hath been by others heretofore , that the very Stile of Comites and Peers , implies a Co-ordinative Association with the King in the Government ; they are in Parliament His Comites , His Peers . I Answer , that Mr. Bracton tells us , Rex parem non habet in Regno suo , the King has no Peer , and offereth us another Reason of the Stile of Comites , Quia sunt in Comitatu , without any Relation to Parliament , because they are either in the Train of the King , of because placed in each County , ad Regendum Populum , and so assumed to the King to the like end that Moses did his under-Officers , in Governing his People . They were not only to be Companions as to his Person , but in respect of his Cares ; Pares Curis , solo diademate dispares . They are the Highest , and in the nature of Privy-Counsellors , but Created by the Soveraign Prince ( the Fountain of Honour ) and so not equal unto him , though exalted above Fellow-Subjects . To be short , if this word [ Comites ] should imply a Co-ordinative Society , it must needs follow that the Commons must be the King's Peers too , for they are as much Co-ordinate with His Majesty as the other ; And so let 's set up Three Thrones , One for the King , another for the Lords , and a Third for the House of Commons . I would advise you ( Sir ) to make a Voyage , next long Vacation , into France , and argue there at the French Court , from the Denomiation of Pares Franciae , and see what Thanks you shall have for your Logick . Thus much for the Lords , I must have a touch at the Commons too . As for the Commons , they surely will not pretend to exceed the Lords in Antiquity : If what Sir Robert Cotton ( that Famous Antiquary ) relates , in some part of his Posthuma Works , be truth ; And he hath been pleased in this very manner to express himself . As this great Court or Council , consisting of the King and Barons , ruled the great Affaires of State , and Controlled all Inferiour Courts ; so were there certain Officers , whose transcendent Power seemed to be set to bound in the Execution of Princes Wills , as the Steward , Constable and Marshal fix'd upon Families for many Ages . They as Tribunes of the People , or Ephori amongst the Athenians , grown by an unmannerly Carriage , fearful to Monarchy , fell at the Feet and Mercy of the King , where the daring Earl of Leicester was slain at Eveshum . This Chance and the Dear Experience Henry the Third himself had made at the Parliament at Oxford in the Fortieth year of His Reign , and the Memory of the many streights his Father was driven unto , especially at Rumney Meade near Staues , brought this King wisely to begin , what his Success●r fortunately finished in lessening the Strength and Power of His great Lords . And this wrought by searching into the Regality , they had Usurped over their peculiar Soveraigns ( whereby they were ( as the Book of Saint Alban's termeth them ) Quot Domini , Tot Tyranni , ) and by weakning that Hand of Power which they carryed in the Parliaments , by Commanding the Service of many Knights , Citizens and Burgesses to that General Council . Now began the frequent sending of Writs , to the Commons their Assents , not only used in Money , Charge and Making Laws ( for a before all Ordinances passed by the King and Peers ) but their Consent in Judgments of all natures , whether Civil or Criminal . By what I have here offered out of Sir Robert Cotton , and elsewhere before in this Discourse ; It is as clear as the Sun at Noon day , That the Two Houses of Parliament are not Co-aetaneous with the First King , much less before him , and consequently the Legislature cannot be said to be Originally and Radically seated in the Lords and Commons . Secondly , As I have made it appear that the Architectonick Power Paramount of making Laws in Parliament was never Natively , and formally seated in the Two Houses , so I come now to prove that the Supream Legislative Authority was never vested in them , by way of Emanation , or derivation from the Imperial Crown of this Nation . Now if they have derivatively such a power , it must be one of these two wayes , either by way of Donation or Usurpation : Again , if they have it via Donationis , by way of Grant , they must have it either by way of Division or by way of Communication : But they cannot challenge it by either of these same wayes . 1. The Houses of Parliament may not challenge a Co-ordination in the Supremacy by way of Division or Partition ; For Suprema potestas , is an Entity or being Indivisible , as it is subordinate to none but God Almighty ; so it admitteth no Co-ordinate , Collateral , Co-equal or Corrival Power ; To make Majestatem in Maj●state , Regnum in Regno , more than one Soveraign in a Kingdom , is inconsistent with Supremity ; for Supream admits neither of Equal nor Superiour , and to affirm it , is Contradictio in Adjecto . And therefore you may read , that Henry de Beauchamp Earl of Warwick for the singular favour that King Henry the Sixth bare to him , Crowned him King of Wight : But we could never find ( sayes Cook ) and Letters Patents of this Creation , because ( as some hold ) the King could not by Law , Create him a King within his own Kingdom , because there cannot be Two Kings in one Kingdom , or if such there be , they are but Reguli or Proreges , Kings to their Subjects , and Subjects to the Supream King. So Oedipus King of the Thebans having Issue Two Sons , Polynices and Eteocles , ordained that after his Decease , his Two Sons should alternative by Course , Reign in his Kingdom . But what was the event ? Fratres de Regni Haereditate dissidentes singulari certamine Congressi mutuis vulneribus ceciderunt . Let any Man look upon the Estate of the Roman Empire , when it was divided by Constantine the Great amongst his Three Sons , Constantinus , Constantius and Constans ; Or upon the Estate of the Western Empire , after the Division made by Lotharius , Lewis and Charles , Sons of Lodovicus Pius ; And he will find most sad and horrible Confusions ensued on such Partitions . But letting pass Forreign Conntries , we must not pretermit the miserable Estate within this Kingdom , under the Heptarchy until all was Re-united under one Severaign ; And this is the Reason that in England , Scotland and Ireland , the Royal Dignity is descendible to the Eldest Daughter or Sister , Co. 4 Inst . f. 243. & on Lit. fol. 165. a. For Regnum non eft divisibile : And so was the Descent of Troy. Praeter te sceptrum Ilione quod gesserat olim Maxima Natarum Priami . 2. As the Two Houses cannot have a Co-ordinate Power with the King , by way of Division ; so neither can they challenge to themselves a Co-ordination in the Supremacy it self by way of Communication ; for the Prerogative of Legislation ( as many others ) is so naturally intrins●cally inherent in the Supremacy ( for where Majesty is , there must be the Power Legislative , ) that it cannot be transferred or separated from the Crown , or so Communicated to Both Houses , as to denude or disrobe the King of that Sacred Supream Right which God has given to him , as his Vice-Gerent on Earth . Ea quae Jurisdictionis sunt & pacis ( sayes our Bracton ) ad nulium pertinent nisi ad Coronam , & dignitatem Regiam , nec à Coronâ separari poterunt , cùm faciant ipsam Coronam , Lib. 2. c. 24. The old Statute of Praerogativa Regis tells us , That our King can grant no Prerogative to the prejudice of the Crown . And thereupon whatsoever a King of this Land Grants to his Subjects , or to any other that is essentially in the Crown of this Kingdom , that is to say , rally annexed to the Person of a Man , as he is King of England , as that the parting with it , makes him to be no King , or a less King than he ought to be in Dignity or Royal Power the Grant is void , the Grant how large soever , It must be understood with this Limitation , Salvo Jure Corona . And how tender our Former Kings and their Subjects have been of the Rights and Prerogatives of the Crown , Pray ( Sir ) at your good leasure consult the Statutes of 28. E. 1. c. 2. & 20. 34. E. 3. c. 15 & 17. 5. R. 2. c. 13. 11. R. 2. c. 9. 9. H. 5. c. 1. 28. H. 6. c. 2. & 27. E. 1. c. 5. With our Municipal Laws do concurr Two Famous Jurists , I mean , Gothofrede and Suarez . The former returns an Answer to this Quaere , Potestne Princeps Regalia alteri Cedere ? Potest ( sayes he ) His temperamentis adjectis , ut ne Regalia Jura sua cedat sine summâ necessitate , ac ut ea cedat ex causâ necessariâ , ut ne ea tota cedat : Deinde ut quaecunque cedit suopte motu , ac sua sponte sciens , prudensque cedat , Principatûs Jure Excepto : quod etsi nominatim non fuerit exceptum , tacitè tamen exceptum intelligitur ( cum adversus omnes Regalia possidentes , in suo Regno , Jus instituendae Actionis habeat ) adeo ut Jus id nullo tempore possit praescribi . The latter viz. Suarez says thus , Regnum est veluti quoddam Officium quod incumbit propriae Personae , cui confertur , & non tam est propter ipsam , quam propter eos , qui regendi sunt , & ideo non potest Rex , vel Regina tale onus à se separare , etiam quoad usum , vel administrationem , ita ut non maneat apud ipsum suprema potestas , & Obligatio Regendi ; non ergo transferri potest illo modo Administratio Regni in Regem , Ratione Matrimonii . The sum of all that I have said as to the point of Communication is this ; That however the prime essential Constitutives of Monarchy , in the exercise of them , may be intructed by the King to the Subject by way of Delegation to ease his Burden and to facilitate his Royal Charge , yet in so doing , he does not , he cannot divest himself of the Soveraign Power , nor of any of those Sacred Rights and Prerogatives that are naturally and intrinsecally inherent in his Imperial Crown . In the last place , as the Two Houses cannot challenge to themselves by way of Grant ( that is to say neither by Division , nor by Communication ) a Co-ordination in the very Supremacy of Power ●●●self ( and consequently there cannot be any such thing as a Coequality of Power in the Legislature ; ) so neither can they make forth a good and Lawful Title to themselves , for a Fellowship in the Legislative Power , via usucapionis , by virtue of any Custom or Prescription ; For no immemorial Custom can hold good , when there be Authentical Records to the Contrary ; And whether there be not such , I will appeal unto your own good self . Antiently the Law Enacted began thus , Rex Statuit , the King Ordains , and before the Laws and Statutes in each Kings Reign from the time of Edward the First to this day , I find the Title or Introduction thus expressed as follows . 7. E. 1. the Statute of Mortmain , We therefore by Advice of our Prelates , Earles , Barons and other Subjects , have provided , made and Ordained . 9. E. 2. The Statute of Sheriffs — Our Lord the King , by the Assent of the Prelates , Earles , Barons and other great Estates , hath Ordained and Established . 5. E. 3. Statute de Natis ultra Mare , Our Lord the King by the Assent of the Prelates , Earles , Barons and other Great Men , and all the Commons of the Realm , hath Ordained and Established these things under Written . 3. R. 2. c. 3. — Our Lord the King , by the Advice , and Common Consent , &c. hath Ordained and Established . 4. E. 4. c. 1. — Our Lord the King , by the Advice , Assent Request and Authority aforesaid , hath Ordained and Established . 1. R. 3. c. 2. — Therefore the King will , it be Ordained by the Advice and Assent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and the Commons of this Present Parliament . 1. H. 7. c. 7. — The King our Soveraign Lord , by the Advice and Assent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , at the Supplication of the Commons ordaineth . 1. H. 8. e. 7. The King our Soveraign , by the Assent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and the Commons ordaineth . 1. E. 6. c. 4. — Wherefore the King our Soveraign Lord , at the humble Petition and Suit of the Lords and Commons , doth Ordain , Declare and Enact , by the Assent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and of the Commons in Parliament Assembled . 1. Mar. c. 1. — Be it therefore Enacted by the Queens our Soveraign Lady , with the Assent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and of the Commons in this present Parliament Assembled . 5. Eliz. c. 5. — Be it Enacted by the Queen Most Excellent Majesty , with the Assent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and the Commons in this present Parliament Assembled . 1. Jac. c. 2. Be it therefore Enacted by the King 's Most Excellent Majesty , by and with the Assent and Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and the Commons in this present Parliament Assembled . 16. Car. 1. c. 1. Be it Enacted by the King 's Most Excellent Majesty , with the Consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal , and the Commons in this present Parliament . 12. Car. 2. nunc Regis c. 11. Be it Enacted by the King 's Most Excellent Majesty , with the Advice and Consent of the Lords and the Commons in this present Parliament . Thus ( Sir ) by the Title or Introduction of our Statutes in each King's Reign ( from King Edward the First , to this very day ) it is clearly proved , that the Two Houses cannot challenge a Co-ordinate Power with the King in making Laws in Parliament by Usage , or Prescription , the Legislative Authority being only in the King , though the use of it be restrained to the Consent of the Lords and Commons in Parliament ; Le Roy fait les Liex avec le Consent du Seigniors , & Communs , & non pas les Seigniors & Communs avec le Consent du Roy ; The King makes the Laws with the Consent of the Lords and Commons , and not the Lords and Commons with the Consent of the King : In a word , the Soveraign is the sole Legislator , it is His Stamp and Royal Will , and that alone which gives Life , and Being , and Title of Laws to that which was before , but Counsel and Advice ; All marks of Supremacy being still in him , nor is it an Argument of Communicating his Power , that he restrains himself from exercising some particular Acts without Consent of Parliament , for it is by virtue of his own Grant , that such after-Acts shall not be valid . He hath not divided his Legislative faculty , but tyed himself from using it , except by the Advice and Consent of the Peers , and at the Request of the Commons , their Rogation must precede his Ratification . Wherefore upon what has been said , I may very well pronounce our Author's words . That the Making of Laws is a peculiar and incommunicable priviledge of the Supream Power ; And the Office of the Two Houses in this Case is only Consultive or Preparative , but the Character of the Power , rests in the final Sanction which is in the King ; And effectually the passing of a Bill is but the granting of a Request ; the Two Houses make the Bill 't is true , but the King makes the Law , and 't is the Stamp , and not the Matter , that makes it Currant . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A29939-e160 Lib. 1. c. 8. num . 2. Co. Lib. 7. Nevic's Case , Co. 2. ●●st . 5. 6. Co. Lib. 12. Eral of Shrowsburies Case . Ob. Sol. Lib. 1. c. 8. Num. 5. Pares Regni , non Regis a That the King with the Prelates and Peers , were heretofore the Common Council of the Realm ( and consequently the Commons were no part of the Court of Parliament in Ages past ) may be evidenced by these Authorities ; Cambden in his Britannia sayes , that in the time of the Saxon Kings , and the ensuing Ages , the Great and Common Council of the Land , was Praesentia Regis Praelatorum , Procerumque Collectorum . Selden tells us out of an Old Cronicle of the Church of Lichfield , that King Edward by Advice of his Barons revived a Law which had lain dormant Sixty seven years . And in the same Chronicle it is said , that William the Conquerour held a Council of his Barons , Anno 4. Regni sui apud Londinias , the next year Conquerour had a Council of Earles and Barons at Pivenden Heath to decide the great Controversie between Lanfrank Arch-bishop of Canterbury and Odo Earl of Kent . King John in the first year of his Reign , Summoned h●s Magnates , his Great M●n to a Parliament at Wiston , and the words of the Roll are Commune Concilium Baronum , the Common Council of my Barons at Winchester . Co. 4. Inst . f. 237. 3. K. 1. ● . 50. Suarez . de Legibus Lib. 2. num . 12.