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A25574) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 97023) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 406:16) An Answer to the author of the Letter to a member of the convention Sherlock, William, 1641?-1707. Letter to a member of the convention. 4 p. s.n., [London : 1689] Caption title. Place and date of publication from Wing. Signed: Jan. 24, 1678/9. Reproduction of original in Cambridge University Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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That you are sure it can never be Answered ; sounds so like a Son , or rather a Father of the Infallible Church , that it has provoked me , if not to answer , yet at least to reflect upon some Passages in this Magisterial Composure . § . 2. Whatever becomes of other Arguments , Interest is most likely to prevail . You , Sir , suppose your Parliament Man , in these words , to be one who will regard no Arguments from Justice , Reason , Religion , or the Laws of God or Man ; Interest is the only thing which is likely to prevail ; an excellent Complement to a Parliament Man ; but it goes higher yet , and takes in the Majority of the States , for no one Man shall ever determin these great things . § . 3. You tell him , that All the threatning Dangers of Popery were not a more formidable Prospect to considering Men , than the present Distractions and Divisions . Now surely this is a very bold and daring stroke ; but that I am certain these pensive thoughtful Men are not either very numerous , or very considerable ; otherwise , the few of the Church of England that are over-thoughtful in this Point , deserve much Compassion , because they disquiet themselves and others out of pure tenderness of Conscience , and an over-great Loyalty ; but then there is no danger to be apprehended from them ; and they will in time satisfie their own Scruples , and in the interim , I doubt not , infinitely more Men dread the Dangers of Popery , even to this day , than all the Common-wealth Men , Dissenters , ambitious and revengeful Wretches , which you have so artfully mustered up to fright the Country Esquire with , can over-ballance . Strange it is in the mean time , that the Dangers of Popery , which last October appeared so formidable , should in so short a time vanish , or rather dwindle into nothing : But God , by the Ministry of the Prince of Orange and his Friends , has brought this about . In the rest of that Section I agree with you , and approve of it . The two next Sections being only a representation of the different Parties of Men now upon the Stage , I leave as I find them . § . 6. Tho the opinion of those who are for sending to the King , and treating with him to return to his Government , under such legal restraints , as shall give security to the most jealous Persons for the preservation of their Laws , Liberties , and Religion , is horribly decryed , &c. yet the only Reason against it is , because it is vain . Now Sir , that Reason is so very good , that it may perhaps justifie that dreadful Consequence you so shrink at ; for tho I do not doubt but you are a wonderful Legislator ; yet if Twenty wiser Men than you were joyned with you to frame these new Laws , yet let but a Popish Prince have the Supreme Executive Power and the Legal Prerogatives , and he will break through all your restrictions with wonderful facility , as we have seen by experience . But then if you leave him the Name and take away the Power of a King , you set up a Common-wealth immediately , which will not end with your Popish Prince , but there will be stickling to keep all things in the same State in the following Reign , of what Religion soever the Prince is , which was the Reason why the limitations offered by Charles II. in 1679. were rejected . Well , but we would have thought our selves very secure if the King would have called a Free Parliament ; Yes Sir , if he would have call'd it Freely , so that it had been the production of his Will without Force ; but , Sir , it is notorious , he was resolved the Parliament should either not be free or not meet , and if your Memory will not serve you to re-call the virulent Reflection on the humble Petition presented by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal the 17th of November last , in which the Author tells us , That the summoning a Parliament now , is so far from being the only way ( to preserve his Majesty and the Kingdom ) that it will be one of the principal causes of much Misery to the Kingdom , &c. and nothing would do then , but driving the Prince of Orange out of the Kingdom with Force and Arms. Now I say Sir , if you cannot remember this , you shall never be trusted to frame Laws , if I can help it . There is another and a better reason to refuse a Treaty , than the fearing the King should comply . Suppose that he should grant all that you can ask , bating White-hall , the Revenue , the Title of King , and the Right of calling Parliaments , and making Peace and War : What security have we that he will acquiesce in this low restrained Estate ; Oaths , Laws , and Promises , we had before , but what did they signifie , who shall be Garantee , what shall we do if he break out again ? In short quis custodiet Custodes ? So that the many who desire a Treaty , are desired to read the Enquiry into the present State of Affairs , that they may not come into the Discipline of the severe Lady , who has taught the Protestants in France and Piedmont a Lesson which England too must have gone through with , if God and H. W. P. O. had not saved us . But if the Convention should refuse to treat , and Depose the King , it would act without a legal Power , § . 8. Why Sir , here is no occasion to talk of a Deposition , the King is gone of his own accord freely ; and they are only to consider whether we shall perish in a State of Anarchy , recall him , and suffer over again all that is past , and all that was intended , but prevented ; or whether they shall recognize the next immediate Heir , and enquire who that is ? Well , but the next Heir , it seems , shall have small joy of it , his whole Authority depending on a Convention that has no Authority : In good time ! Will the Authority of this Prince , when acknowledged , depend on the Authority of the Convention ? Did Queen Elizabeth or King Iames I. owe all their Authority to the Parliaments which recognized their respective Rights ? But no Man will think himself bound in Conscience to obey this Heir ; Have you , Sir , the keeping of all Mens Consciences , or the knowledg of their Thoughts ? I can assure you mine is not in your custody . § . 9. All those who think themselves bound [ still ] by their Oath of Allegiance to defend the Kings Person , his Crown , and Dignity , &c. will be greatly discontented . Why Sir , then they may go over into France , and be admitted into his Guards , and perhaps the generous Allowance given him by the French King , will maintain them , if their Heresie do not over-ballance their Loyalty , and turn it into a Crime , as it happened to the Hugonots . Well , but they will never own any other whilst their own King lives : Assuredly this is a wonderful Man , if he could but as certainly inform us of the number , as he can of the Thoughts and future Actions of these Loyalists . Well , but if they should happen to be Persons of known Prudence , Abilities , Integrity , Honesty , tho they were never so few and never so tame , it would give a terrible stroke to this tottering Government . Why , Sir , all or the greatest part of such Men in the Nation , were a dreadful Body , tho they were and ever will be few ; but Sir , there must be a considerable Body of such Men first satisfied in the Convention , a number without Doors are already satisfied , and more will when the States have passed their Resolves ; and the remainder of the Men of this High Character , who will still remain discontented , if they are any thing peaceable , though not over tame , will never be able to shock the most tottering Government in the World by their Examples , how well soever he thinks of them . Yet , § . 10. He endeavours to shew the number will not be small , because many who joyned with the Pri●ce are ashamed of what they have done , and ask God pardon for it , and are ready to undo it as far as they can . Well , Sir , how many such do you know besides your self ? A List of these Men were worth the having , and may perhaps be easily taken , if one knew how to separate them from the rest ; however , I should not fear greatly the terrible Shock of these wonderful Men , till I had better information of their Numbers than you can possibly give us . They were not willing to part with the King , tho they were horribly afraid of Popery . Why , Sir , has the King changed his Religion in France , or are these Gentlemen so fond of the King , that they would now be contented to suffer all that Popery threatned so lately ? Or are they become as weary of their Delivery as they were before of Popery ? Or will they sacrifice their Laws , Religion , old Foundations , and Free Parliaments to their Allegiance to their King ? If you say yes , I have done ; if no , then you would have what was not to be had , and will not be contented with what may be had ; and if the Number of these Men is great , farewel to the Liberties , Laws , Religion , and Priviledges of England , and its Wealth and Inhabitants too , and what is left you may be pleased to divide amongst your Men of Character . To all this he assures us , § . 10. There will be a Thousand Occasions of discontent ; just a Thousand , neither one more nor less ; besides those springing from the Sense of Loyalty and Conscience : Strange , that these Two should be so troublesom , as to equal , if not exceed the whole Thousand that went before . He that had been before so liberal of his Information , now sets us to guess in the § . 10. How many will be discontented in the new Court for want of Preferment ? Why , Sir , If you please to inform me how many days in February shall be clear , and how many shall be cloudy , I will fall a guessing how many in the new Court shall be pleased , and how many shall be dissatisfied ; but when I have done , it will not be worth the while , because this ever happens , and Courtiers have an odd way of keeping these Malecontents in hope , till they fall off or gain what they desire ; and so if there should happen to be a Thousand of them , they will not be able to shock the Government , if there is no other cause of Discontent than that . Well , but here Duty and Discontent will mix , because they are sensible of their Mistake when it is too late : For as they ought not to have fought for Popery , nor against the Laws and Liberties of their Country ; so neither ought they to have deserted the defence of the King's Person and Crown , but have brought the Prince to Terms as well as the King : Why , Sir , Nemo tenetur ad impossibilia . The King was never brought to Terms , nor perhaps never will : So that if they had fought at all , it must have been for Popery , and against both our Laws and Liberties . Sir , shew when and where the King offered us or the Prince any Terms , and I will pass my word you shall be employed to frame Laws for the Convention , which is certainly a good Employ for one that is so expert at it as you pretend to be . Well , § . 13. A heavy Tax must be laid upon the Nation , to defray the Charge of this Expedition : Why , Sir , Are you of the Privy Council to the Prince ? Surely he will be able to find some other cause , or not make the Tax so very heavy . But Men will be very sorry to lose their King , and pay so dear for it too : Yes doubtless , a gracious King is a great Loss ; but if he will be gone , and involve us in a War too , Taxes must be paid , yea , heavy Taxes to support the Charge of it , or Louis will in a short time teach us what the Prince's Expedition was worth , whatever it cost . But this is not all , we must part with our Church too , the crazy Title will require the giving the Church to the Dissenters , § . 14. The Dissenters have of late acted very well , and perhaps if a wise Man has the managing of them ; and the Popish Emissaries be carefully looked after , we may compound the Quarrel better cheap than the parting with our Church . Sir , I am well assured a great deal less will for the present content them , and the King is not immortal , and whenever he dies ▪ the Crazy Title will be sodered again , if no body be to be blame for giving it another terrible Shock § . 15. Should the King be deposed , or any other ascend the Throne , it will be necessary to keep a standing Army to quell such Discontents . You may be a good Law-framer for ought I know , but I will swear you are no States-Man ; this whole Section is meer Whimsey borrowed from the Dutch Design Anatomized , who had the folly to talk of Governing England by an Army of Dutch and Germans , but why God knows , except it were because a few were brought over to deliver us , and cannot presently be returned back to Holland . The Prince is both a wise and a good Prince , and knows the Consequence of keeping those Forces long here , better than a Thousand such L●w-framers . Suppose the King should return with a Foreign Force to recover his Kingdom , how ready will the Men of Conscience be , and the Men of Discontent , to joyn with them , nay , to invite him home again . This looks so like a Roman Catholick Zeal , that if I were not assured he is a Church of England Man , I could not believe but it was a Disciple of S. Omers : But will the conscientious Mea invite the King home again , with all his Apostolick Vicars , Jesuits , Ecclesiastical Judges , Dispensing Power , and a round Army of French Dragoons to teach us the French Faith after the French Fashion ? Are these the Men of Character , Prudence , Ability , Integrity , or of Conscience either ? Would one of the Primitive Christians have talked thus , have stood for a Licinius against a Constantine ? Well , if the King comes in a Conqueror , we shall wish we had treated : truly I shall not ; I had rather be forced than deceived , for then I know what I shall have to trust to ; and I would not willingly be accessary to my own Ruine . Well , suppose all this unanswerable stuff is over-voted , § . 17. We are to bring good proof the Prince of Wales is an Imposture , or else we had better let it alone . Very good ; the Negative is to be proved ; we may guess by this what kind of Laws you , Sir , would frame . Well , but if this be not done , the discontented Men will have a plausible pretence to quarrel : what the conscientious Men will do we must guess , but in all probability they will not be better qualited . What if the Princess of Orange be a Lady of that eminent Virtue that she should scruple to sit upon her Fathers Throne whilst he lives ? Well , his Majesty has deserted his Throne and Kingdom when he needed not , except he had pleased ; and some body must sit upon his Throne , though he is yet alive : Now if it be her Right after his death , Why not now ? Our Author is at his Prayers , that God would give her Grace to resist the Temptation ; and I at mine , that the Author may never be one of her Chaplains till he is better inform'd . The rest of that Section is not unanswerable , but not worth answering . He has all along supposed the Prince of Orange Crown'd , yet in the 19th Section he proves he can have no Right to it , neither by Descent nor Gift ; and truly I am of the same mind for many Reasons , and especially for the sake of the Three alledged by him , § . 20 , 21 , 22. and for some others too of as great weight , which may be found in the Lord Virulam's History of Henry VII . And yet our Cafe now before us has three Difficulties that had not , 1. A King living , 2. A Prince of Wales , true or false , 3. A Nation divided in Religion ; to which I might perhaps add the Excessive Power of France , and the Excessive Zeal of this Generation to preserve the Descent of the Crown in the Right Line , and in the Legal Steps and Degrees . And this being done , I am persuaded nothing can divide the English Nation , or lessen their Zeal and Affection to the Prince of Orange , who has deserved the Crown if it were ours to give him . The Postscript , which is an Huy and Cry after the French League to cut our Throats , I leave to the Convention : and if I durst be so bold as to ask a favour of them , it should be to enquire what the Ro. Ca. meant by that Threat of theirs , so frequently printed and spoken by them , If fair means would not obtain the Repeal of our Penal Laws and Tests , foul should . Now for a Conclusion , I would desire you , Sir , to propose your method of restoring the King and securing our Laws and Religion , and it shall go hard but I will shew you it is impracticable , or impossible ; that it will never be granted , or if it be , never observed : and if you please to bless the World with a receipt of an Obligation that will bind the Conscience of any Ro Ca. so fast that neither Iesuit nor Pope can break or untie it , I assure you I will joyn with you in a Petition to the Convention , for a Treaty forthwith , without any other terms to be proposed than the giving us that Security , whatever it is . And in the Interim , I am , Ian. 24. 167●● . SIR , YOURS .