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A57858) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 41752) Images scanned from microfilm: (Early English books, 1641-1700 ; 1268:10) A just and modest reproof of a pamphlet called The Scotch Presbyterian eloquence Rule, Gilbert, 1629?-1701. 40 p. Printed by George Mosman, Edinburgh : 1693. Attributed to Gilbert Rule--NUC pre-1956 imprints. Reproduction of original in the Harvard University Library. Created by converting TCP files to TEI P5 using tcp2tei.xsl, TEI @ Oxford. Re-processed by University of Nebraska-Lincoln and Northwestern, with changes to facilitate morpho-syntactic tagging. Gap elements of known extent have been transformed into placeholder characters or elements to simplify the filling in of gaps by user contributors. 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XCIII TO THE READER . Reader , AFTER I had finished these Sheets , I mett with a Paper in Answer to the same Pamphlet that here I deal with , which at first made me lay aside thoughts of publishing this Piece : Yet I after considered , that few things are coincident in that and this Paper : And that tho' the Pamphlet it self deserveth no such notice : Yet some may either through prejudice , and a byass to the one side , or through unacquaintedness with our Affairs , receive undue impressions of Presbyterians and their way from the confident affirmations of that Author . For , Calumniare audacter , aliquid adhaerebit . Therefore I was willing to suffer it to go Abroad after it , and the Appendix to it , had been ready for the Press , now more than 13 or 14 Months : Several things concurred to occasion this procrastination , which I shall not trouble the Reader with . A Just and Modest Reproof of a Pamphlet called , The Scottish Presbyterian Eloquence . IT is to be lamented , that men who call themselves Ministers of the Gospel ( being laid aside from their work ) imploy their time so ill , as to hatch false and railing Accusations against their Brethren , to render them odious and useless in the Church . And if the Author of this Pamphlet were of another Character , yet it is unsutable to Christianity to use such Artifices : But it is no new thing , but hath alwayes been one of Satans Methods for hindering the progress of the Gospel : The Pamphlet under consideration is an evidence , that Ill men and Seducers use to wax worse and worse . For this man hath out-done all that went before him in this Hellish way of managing his cause , and himself too ; ( if he was one of the former Scriblers of this strain , as is supposed ) in malicious Railing ; in the Characters that he giveth to Presbyterians , ( and that without exception of any among them ) and in the most groundless fictions , in the Historical part of his Book , that ever the Press groaned under . I cannot imagine how such Stories have been framed : For few of them were ever commonly talked of , even among the Mockers of this age , till this worthy book saw the light , which hath furnished profane Wits , with better helps to ridicule all that is serious , or sacred , than the World hath hitherto been acquainted with , and no doubt the Author shall have his reward , for such a singular work , from the Lord , as he deserveth it from Man : If this Collection of Historical Passages , had been this , Authors alone , his Invention must have been singularly fertile , when imployed about this subject ; exposing Preaching and Prayer : But I find , by page 116 , it was the product of many Drunken Meetings , where each Man hath given in his Symbole , out of which our Author hath made up this Bundle of Lyes , as the Creed of these Lone-Companions . He hath in this latter Age engaged in this same work against Presbyterians , ( and through their side , against them who regard the truth , in opposition to Popery , and the practice of Religion , as contrary to Atheism and Prophaness ) which their common Master of old imployed Porphyry and others in against Christianity , and afterward not a few of the Popish Writers , against our Reformers , and Reformation , who endeavoured to make Luther , and Calvin , and other worthy Servants of God , as black , and as Ridiculous as this Man doth the Presbyterian Ministers : Neither hath his own party escaped the Lash of such Pens as his ; and that from such as disliked it , not as Episcopal , but as Protestant , as is to be seen in a piece called Causes of the Contempt of the Clergy , whose Ape this Author seemeth to be : Tho' I doe not know , that so many untruths in matters of Fact , are in that Book , as I am sure there are in this . They who read this Book , and are Strangers in Scotland ( for none else is capable to believe one of many of his Stories ) will think him an unnatural wretch , so to expose his native Countrey : For can any rational Man be perswaded , ( that Scotland , being divided into Presbyterians , and Episcopalians , and whatever may be said of the Lat●er , the former are so considerable a party of all Ran●s , and owned as the Legal Church , by King and Parliament ) that I say all the Latter should be such learned and polite Men , and the former such silly Noddies , and illiterate Fools : Or will they not rather think , that Scots Men are a contemptiable Crew , or that this Man is a foul mouthed Reviler of his Nation , and a degenerat Son , that so bespattereth his Mother . No wise Man will be at pains , to consider every passage in this Pamphlet , nor could once reading it over be excusable ; but that it was needful to know what he saith : His general assertions concerning the Presbyterians , need not another refutation than denying them , and appealing to all that know us , and are capable to judge impartially . Neither his particular Histories ; but by denying the matter of Fact , and leaving it to him to prove them : Together with the improbability of the thing , to all that know the persons whom he so belyeth ; that thousands who had Causam sc●entiae of these passages do disown that they knew them , or heard such words as he alledgeth : if these Topicks may have place , we can make it appear that seldom hath a Book appeared in print , stuffed with more falsehoods and Calumnies , and these manifestly and notourly such : which I hope will reflect that shame on himself , and his Partners in these Inventions , which he thinketh to throw on others . I come now to take some more particular Notice of his Book . What First occureth is , His mock Dedication to the E. of C. where he treateth that Noble and truly Honourable Person with that petulant Contempt , which none but a Man of this Author's Temper and Breeding could be capable of . And he racketh his Wit to say all the ill of his Lordship , that is imputable to any Person , not considering either Truth or Probability of what he writeth ; nor sparing to mock at the Exercise of Religion in that Family , which hath been for many Generations , and continueth to be , Honoured for their Zeal for , and Practice of Religion . His whole Dedication deserveth no other Refutation , but to be marked with a Nigrum Theta , as purely Lies and Railing . His First Section pretendeth , to give us a Character of the Presbyteria● Pastors and People in Scotland : Which he performeth most Unjustly , and without either Truth or Candor . Pag. 1. He asserteth that Presbyterian Preachers labour not to make good Christians , but rigid Presbyterians . This is so remote from Truth , that no Evidence of it can be given : And it is known to all their Hearers , that in their Sermons , Catechising , and other Instructions , and Converse with their People , they insist constantly on such Subjects as tend to Awaken and Humble Sinners , and to let them see their Need of Christ ; and in Directing and Perswading them to come to God by him ; and on the Duties that Men owe to God and their Neighbours : And that it is but rarely , that they insist on the Differences that are among us , about Church Government . And their Consciences bear them Witness , that though they desire that all the People may be Presbyterians , yet that desire beareth small , or no proportion , with the desire they have that Christ may be Formed in the Hearts of their Hearers . Next Pag. 2. He giveth us the Character of the Presbyterian People ( whom he most falsly affirmeth to be The Guides of the Church and that The Ministers must follow them ) and that we assert the Power of Calling and Constituting Ministers is in the Mob that they are Void of Sense and Reason , and are led by Fancy and ●regular Passions . If this had been said of some , this Author might have saved his Credit : For what Party of Men have not among them some unintelligent Persons ? But when it is said of the Presbyterians in general , and no exception made , it is sufficient to derogate from the Truth of all that he affirmeth , and to expose him as a Person who hath no regard to Truth . I Appeal to all who Converse in Scotland , if the Nobility , Gentry , Lawyers , Physicians , Merchants , and even the meaner sort of the People who are Presbyterians , may not Vye in all commendable Accomplishments with them of the same Ranks and Stations , who are of the other Perswasion . He giveth an Instance of their want of Common Sense , that they will tell you , That ye ought to fight the Battels of the Lord , because it is said in Epistle to the Hebrews , Without sheading of Blood there is no Remission . That ever any Man talked at this rate , is more than I know or heard before ; nor am I obliged to believe it , because this Author's Veracity is pledged for it : but that he imputeth it as the Sentiment of the Party in general , and as a part of their Character , is a piece of Effrontery peculiar to this Scribler . He next calleth them Covetous and Deceitful , with the same Truth that hitherto he had used . It is to be lamented that these Vices are so common every where , but the World knoweth that his own Party has a full Share of them ; and that as much of the contrary Vertues are found among the Presbyterians in Scotland , as among any Party of Men on Earth That they are not taught Morality in the Sermons that they hear , is so false as nothing can be more . 'T is true , we Preach not Morality alone , as some do ; but Instruct People in the Mystery of Christ , that they may look after Righteousness in him , and attain Gospel Obedience to the Law of God by dependance on him for Strength to obey : But we Preach the Necessity of Good Works , and that Moral Vertues are not only the great Ornament of practical Religion , but a necessary part of it , without which all Pretences to it , or Appearances of it , are but Hypocrisie . The Debate he saith he had with one of them ( who must not be Named lest the Truth of the Matter of Fact be enquired into ) proveth no more ( if what he saith be true , ) but that there was once an ignorant Presbyterian in the World : And if we cannot find one as Ignorant among his Party , we shall confess that , so far , be hath the better of us . He had very little to say , when he blotted Paper with the Story of George Flint , and the Names he gave to his Dogs : Are we to Answer for every Indiscretion any Plebe●an is guilty of . His next Charge of Perjury , Cheating , Lying , Murther , &c. is of the same stamp with the former , that is , Calumnious Falshoods . The Ignorance that he alledgeth to be found among them is not ( generally speaking ▪ to be compared with that found among his own Party . Neither is it asserted with any Truth or Modesty , That Our People are not taught the Lord's Prayer , the Creed , and the Ten Commandements . His Instance of a Shee-Saint ( which with his mention of the Sighing Fraternity , are some of the Flowers of his Profane Mocking Rhetorick ) is either his own invention , or a single instance of an Ignorant Girle among the Presbyterians , to prove that all the Party is such : Which is a frequent way of Reasoning with this Learned Author . What follows P 5. Of their Conventicles producing many Bastards , and the Blasphemous abusing of Scripture , whereby he saith , They defended it , is a parcel of the most Horrid and Wicked Lies that ever were invented on Earth , or in Hell. Our Souls abhorr such Principles : And for these Practices , though we do not deny that such Scandals have fallen out among Presbyterians , yet through the Mercy of God , it is rare , and is severly Censured when it happeneth : Whereas among his own Party , it is common to a Degree far beyond what has been seen among us : And when they were in Power , such Scandals were but slackly Censured ; so that one thing that maketh the Looser sort of People dislike the Presbyterians , is , That such Immoralities are more strictly Observed and Censured than before . The Odious Story that he ( in his usual Jeering Strain ) telleth of Mr. Williamson , hath been indeed talked of among many Men of this Author's Kidney ; but we Challenge him , or any other ▪ to bring any rational Evidence of the Truth of it , as may easily be done , if the thing be as he saith : But this was never yet attempted by any of them ; which is a sufficient Exculpation of him , even by his Adversaries . If they will attempt it and get not a fair Hearing , or if they will prove it , and do not see Justice done on the Offender , then let them Reflect on Presbyterians : But without this they are to be held as Malicious Calumniatours : This very Story was Answered in another Paper , which this Author pretendeth to Answer : But he taketh no notice of what was there said ; but is resolved it shall be Believed , with , or against Reason . What Impudence is it to say , That Mr. Williamson was admired for this Fact , or that he used Scripture to defend , or excuse it . We are not ashamed of the Gloss on Rom. 7. which he pretendeth to Ridicule ( though never any of us used it to defend Sin ) that the Apostle there speaketh in the person of an Unregenerat Man , is the Gloss of Arminians , contrary to the Sentiments of all other Reformed Divines , as well as Presbyterians . I wish this Author had given us a Specimen of his Learning , to confirm what he alledgeth : But he is shie of that , for some Reasons ; thinking it enough to disparage the Learning of Others , without shewing his own , in Refuting of what they hold . But his Consequence that he draweth from the Opinion that the Apostle speaketh of himself in that place , sheweth no small degree of Ignorance , That this Place is a good Defence for For●●cation : Doth it follow in the Regenerate there are Inclinations to Sin , Ergo , They may Sin , and are to be excused in it . It is as Ignorant and Wide a Consequence , that he inferreth , that the hieght of Carnality ●s consistent with the greatest Grace : For Grace . especially the greatest Grace , is imployed in resisting , and mortifying these inclinations : Whereas the hieght of Carnality lyeth in giving way to and fulfilling them . The two instances that follow of two Women guilty of Uncleanness , and odious Hypocrisy joined with it , look like his own invention : He is sure they cannot be disproved , because no person is named , if he will prove the Fact against any persons , he shall see Presbyterians vindicated from this imputation , by the Censures of the Church duely executed on so vile persons . What he telleth us of Peoples being moved with a loud and a Whineing , tone and being affected with what they understand not , is another of his Calumnies . None preach more intelligibly then Presbyterians ordinarly do : And no People judge of Preaching by the truth and usefulness of the matter , more then the more intelligent Presbyterians : and if any are commoved by what they understand not , ( as sometimes is observed among some of the Ignorant Vulgar ) this is far more frequently found among them who cleaved to the Episcopalians when they had the Churches , than among them who owned the Presbyterians . What he saith of S●uffing and twang of the Nose ( a notion borrowed out of Cleavland , another such profane Mocker as himself ) and being more affected with a Sermon of Railing and Nonsense than with Christs Sermon on the Mount ; is like the rest of his affirmations , pure Railing and falsehoods : The confirmation of this from what he alledgeth Mr. D. D. to have said , is not concludent , for we have but his word for the truth of the Story ( and his Reader by this time know of what value that is ) and that good Man once an eminent Preacher , hath been for many years under Hypochondriack Melancholy , and often speaketh at Random . Nothing can be more false then what is said p. 8. That They take it for a sure evidence on their Death-beds that it is well with them , because they never heard a Curate in their Lifetime If any have said , or thought so , we judge them deluded as he doth But we meet with no such person , nor do we own any such Opinion . His citation out of Review of History of Indulgence , is a full proof against him , that these are not the sentiments of Presbyterians ; but reproved by them , when found among some who had gone out from among the Presbyterians . The Stories about two persons Executed for B●stiality ; I am not obliged to believe , unless I hear them from better hands , which I never did , but supposing the truth of them , they prove no more but that some of the v●lest of Men might , on design , personate Presbyterians : Or that there were some strangely deluded persons that went out from among that party ; as they were who were called the Sweet Singers , some of whom ( as hath been reported ) tore outsome places of the Bible where words were found that displeased them . But it is the height of Malice , to impute these things to Presbyterians , who did always testify their dislike of such principles and practices , more than other men did : And do reckon the whole Bible and all the other parts of it Sacred . He bringeth the rising in Arms at Bothwelb●●dge as a proof of their delusion : But this is not to be imputed to Presbyterians in general , seing it was the deed of a few : And was no formed design ; but was the effect of horrid and unsupportable persecution from the Episcopal Party : The Doctrines Preached at that season , which he mentioneth , may rationally be look't on as his own invention , of what he thought probable : As better Historians than he , do often make speeches and attribute them to Generals of Armies , as spoken by them to animate the Souldiers . That any of the Presbyterians ever thought that all Bishops were Cloven Footed : That they had no Shadow : Is what I never heard before : But I am sure if this Book should obtain belief in the World ( as I hope it shall not , while Men are Rational ) Strangers will look on Scotch Presbyterians as more monstrous than ever any ignorant persons among vs could imagine Bishops to be : And it will be little Credit to his party , that the Learned Writters among them , have as absurd Imaginations of Men , and things , as he can impute ( though falsely ) to the most ignorant among us . The long Story that filleth up Page 11 and 12 : of a Preacher who came to the Merse , and there discoursed most absurdly , on Ezek. 1. And reasoned as Ridiculously with a Minister ; this Tale I say , I never heard before . And though our Author telleth us , it was proved before very many famous Witnesses in Edinburgh ; yet is he neither pleased to name the Preacher , nor what place of the Merse ( which is a large Country ) this happened in , nor the Minister with whom he reasoned , nor these famous Witnesses in Edinburgh : So that we are wholly out of Capacity to enquire into the truth of this Fact. If such a person were known , the Presbyterian Church would soon stop his mouth from Preaching , for they abhorre such Ridiculous Nonsense . His next essay in which he laboureth from Page 12. to 14. Is to give a true Character of the Presbyterian Preachers ; where he spueth out all the Gall against them that he is capable to vent : About which I observe 1. That he feigneth a strange uniformity among them , as if not only the practice and natural temper of them all ; but their very Looks were the same , as Page 12. which is a plain evidence that the man hath as little Judgement to contrive a Fiction well , as he hath veracity to oblidge him to speak nothing but truth . 2. most of his Instances whereby he proveth his strange assertions , are but one or two to prove one part of their Character : And if ye will not believe , sic de ceateris , he will be puzled to convince any one of the truth of what he affirmeth : If we should do so by his party , how black could we make them all : But we abhore such injustice to the Reputations of Men. 3. Most of his instances are taken from some of the Hill Preachers , who then were in a perfect separation from all the rest of the Presbyterians , and spake as much against them , as against those whom they called Curats . 4. His whole Discourse is stuffed with the most notorious falsehoods that can be devised , as will appear as we go along . The Author seemeth to have but one design , to disparage the Presbyterians : And his Impetus this way maketh him not only forget veracity , which may be expected from a Christian ; but that Decorum which becometh a wise Man : And the civility that a Man of breeding would shew to the worst of Men. It seemeth he careth not what he say , if he can but say ill of the Presbyterians : And an impartial Reader will think that the Author hath sufficiently characterized himself ; while he pretendeth to give a Character of the Presbyterian Ministers . 5. When he hath a mind to expose any of our Ministers as absurd , or ridiculous ; he is then pleased ( most disingenuously ) to advance him to be one of the most eminent among us , that so he may make the World believe ( if their credulity be as large as his boldness in asserting ) that we are all such : But this silly artifice will fail of its design among them who are acquainted with us . He first accuseth them ( and that without exception ) as Proud , Soure , unconversible . Here is not one true word : where one is such among us ( and never a party consisted of all its individuals so well tempered as they should be ) many are such among his own party , and yet we are far from being so unmanly as to make this the Character of the party . I leave it to the Reader to judge what Humility or sweetness of mind our Author hath shewed in what he hath said , or in what followeth : That they have faces like their horrid Decree of Reprobation . Where he venteth his spite against the truth of God , as well as against the Men against whom he hath indignation . Do not all the Reformed Divines , except Arminians , own a Decree of Reprobation ? yea doth not the Apostle so too ? Rom. 9. I wonder what a Face he thinketh the Apostle Paul had . He , and Presbyterians need not be ashamed to have their Pictures drawn , and shewed with that of this Momus . If a Presbyterian had spoken so ignorantly , and indistinctly of such a head of Divinity , how would he have accused them of Ignorance ? For who can own Election , but they must at the same time acknowledge a preterition , or Non-election , and that as a positive Act of the Divine will : See Rom. 9. 13. And who can say that some are Damned in time , and yet this Damnation was not foreknown and foreappointed , or decreed by him who worketh all things according to the Counsel of his own will. If this Author will shew his Argumentative Talent , as well as he hath that of Railing , on this head , it would be more easy to Answer him . Their want of Humanity and common Civility and Catholick Charity , are as many calumnies as words : He asserteth : I deny it , and appeal to all that converse commonly among them : But it is evident that what he asserteth of them he abundantly proveth of himself : such Assertions being remote from all these vertues and good qualities . That they dare not converse with them who differ from them , lest the people take it ill , is false . They not only converse with them ( such of them as are Sober ) but have received some of them into a share of the Government of the Church : And do not shun to converse with others of them as occasion requireth . And if any people be displeased at this ( as I am sure the more intelligent are not ) they instruct them of the reasonableness of this practice . His certainty that we have as little Learning as good nature , which is next to none , is a proof this Authors good Nature ; as many other passages of this Book are of his Learning : about the measure I shall not determine ; seing it is easy for any unbyassed Reader to judge . Presbyterians differing from all other Churches , he boldly asserteth . I deny not but there are some circumstantial things in which all the Churches in the World do differ one from another ; and our Church ( may be ) hath , in some of the inferiour things , her peculiar customs : But in her Confession of Faith , in her Government of the Church , and in the worship of God , it is evident that we are , ( for the substance of these ) exactly one with the generality of the Reformed Churches . And for the circumstances , we are far nearer to the Reformed Churches than the Church of E. is , which he gloryeth so much in , and which indeed hath a Government , Discipline , and Worship , widely different from the whole Reformed World , yea on the matter they unchurch all other Churches , by denying the validity of their Ordination ; and re-ordaining all who have not a Bishops hand laid on them . We are far from carrying so toward Her , or any other Church . That which goeth for a proof of this absurd Assertion , I shall now consider . It is that we have banished the Lords Prayer , the Creed , and the ten Commandments , the Doxology , and the publick reading of the Scripture . For the first of these , It is false : for we endeavour to make the people understand it : And tell them the true use of it ; which is to direct them what to Pray for , and also in most other things that concern Prayer . It s true we do not commonly repeat the words of it , but we neither condemn them who do it , nor forbid to do it , Our reason is , There is no command for using these words , nor do we find that the Apostles or the Church in their time did repeat the words . Our reason for the other is , these words are as fit to be used as any other . It is false that the Author of the Answer to the ten Questions , ( which he is pleased to ascribe to Dr. Rule , on what grounds he best knoweth ; for it beareth no name ) used this as a reason against Repeating the Lords Prayer , that it is inconvenient : It is only said Quest : 4 , P. 20. That We are not tyed to what had been injoined , if afterward it be found inconvenient while the discourse was of the use of the Doxology , the Creed at Baptism , and the Lord's Prayer ; now if any of these be inconvenient , that Assertion is pertinent , tho' the rest were not , but were forborn on other grounds . Yea , If none of them were inconvenient , what is said there is enough to free us from nonconformity to the Presbyterian Churches on this head ; with which that Antagonist chargeth us ; The words are plainly Hypothetick , and therefore assert nothing Categorically . Them who use the words of the Lord's Prayer we do not Judge , either as acting against what is lawful , or what is expedient . If Mr. K. said , that he forbore Repeating the Lord's Prayer , because it is a Badge of the Episcopal Worship ; and did mean , it was pressed in Scotland as such distinguishing mark , perhaps it were not so absurd as our Author pretends , though I had rather say , we forbear it because it hath not now of a long time been the practice of the Presbyterian Church in Scotland ; and we know no Command or other Principle that maketh it necessary . What followeth , imputed to Mr. James Urquhart , we reckon horrid Blasphemy : And if any will make it appear that Mr. U. said such words , he ought to be desposed , or to make very solemn profession of his Repentance for this Scandal : But Mr. U. denyeth it , and biddeth defiance to any who will attempt to prove it against him ▪ the other Blasphemies to the same purpose which follow , we abhore as much as he or any other can do . And I affirm that it is the grossest of Falsehoods that it is ordinary to hear our People speak so , for my part I have never heard such words from any , nor have I heard by Report that any did speak them , and I assure the World that if any among us were heard to utter such words they could not escape a severe Censure . He saith the Creed is not mentioned at Baptism . This we deny not , but was it ever forbidden by our Church , or were any ever Censured for using it . We take Parents bound to Educate their Children in the Knowledge of the Chief Truths contained in the Scriptures : And do often mention the Confession of Faith of this Church , as containing a more full and plain System of Scripture Doctrine than the Creed doth ; though not differing in any Point from it . For our National Engagements they are rarely mentioned at Baptism , and but by few : But if they were , I know no Hurt in it , except it be , offending some tender Ears , who love not to hear of the Ties which they have so little regarded , after they had taken them on . What he imputeth to Mr. Rule in denying this , we regard not . I am guilty of the same Dishonesty , in saying what he ( or who ever that Writer is ) saith in the place cited by our Author : For these other honester Presbyterians , whatever be their Honesty we are not of their Opinion . Nor are the Sentiments of Presbyterians to be judged of by what they say , who had lest the Presbyterians , and stood in opposition to them , when the Papers he mentioneth were written . His Imputation on Mr. Dickson ( that He called the Lords Prayer , Creed , and Ten Commandments , rotten Wheel-barrows to carry Souls to Hell ) I am not foreward to believe it , having nothing for it but this Author's Word : But if he said so , it was ill worded at best : And if he meant any more than to express the danger of Peoples resting on having these by Heart , as if that were to be Religious : He deserveth to be Censured : None of us disswade People from Learning them ; but do seriously press it , and labour to make them understand them . That we have abolished Publick Reading of Scripture , is a Calumny : It is true in stead of Reading by a private Person ▪ we have the Scripture Read and Expounded by the Minister ; and that a Chapter or Psalm at once : And if any Read but two or three Verses , it is an Abuse not allowed by us . That the Precenter Readeth a Sermon in stead of Reading Scripture , is two Falsehoods in one Breath , one is that this is done : I have heard indeed that one hath Read a written Sermon while the people were conveening : But that this is either commonly , or alwayes done , I never heard : also that this is in stead of Reading the Scriptures , is false : For as hath been said the Minister Readeth and expoundeth Scripture , in stead of what had wont to be Read without Exposition by a private person , who hath no Authority to teach publickly . The Doxology we use not , because we think Scripture Songs fittest to be sung as the publick Worship of God : And this is not such ; though the matter of it be consonant to Scripture . The Idle Story that he telleth of Maggy twitting a Minister with this , is probable enough to be one of his Inventions : But if it were true , we think the Minister was undiscreet , in calling it a Malignant Song . We confess the matter of it is sung in Heaven : If he will prove that the words are so too , we shall use it : They talk much of the Antiquity of this Hymn which I am not now at leasure to enquire into : One of their Divinity Professors Mr. William Douglas at Aberdeen ( a diligent searcher into Antiquity ) Psalm●d . Eccles. vindicata . Q. 13. P. 69. bringeth testimonies for it out of Tertul : Basil. &c. who speak not of that Formula ; but Glorifying the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost . And he citeth Baronius , asserting it to have been used from the Apostles time : But his Authority in such things hath little weight with Protestants : Pope Damasus in the 4 Century , enjoined it : And it is probable that it was invented as a Testimony against Arianism : But so was the Trina Immersio ; which the Episcopal Church doth not think fit to retain . I Assent to the Author now cited : Who after an heap of Authorities that he had collected , saith , it is no defect of Worship where it is left out : And that none should be offended with these Churches that use it . We constantly do the same thing materially , naming the Father , Son , and Holy Ghost in the Conclusion of our Prayers . Another quarrel he hath with Presbyterian Ministers is , they have no distinguishing Garb from the lay Men , I hope this is no singularity : What Churches except these of Rome and England , do distinguish their Clergy by their Garb : Our Ministers wear a Grave and Decent Habit , and are mainly distinguished from the People , by the Gravity and Edifyingness of their Conversation , which is a better Characteristick , than a close sleeved Gown on a Drunken and Swearing Priest ▪ That they reproved the King's Commissioner for appearing among them in a Scarle● Cloak , is a notorious Falsehoood ; to call it no worse . His saying They did it , seemeth to make it a publick Rebuke in the Assembly ; or that it was done by the consent of all . We do not know that ever any did so much as reprove his Grace privatly for this ; and if any did , they were impertinent in so doing : I never heard that any so much as whispered against it among themselves ; nor do I know a Reason why the Kings Commissioner is obliged to use another Garb than other persons of his Rank . The long Story that he bringeth in about Mr. Lesks call , for the sake of a quible used by my Lord R. to the Presbytry , is a silly piece of impertinency : only I take notice , that he alledgeth , that Mr. Lesk , had for him the Elders ; which is false ; for none , in the sense of the Law of Scotland , are Elders ; but such as are received by the Presbyterians ; so as these men were not and for the Episcopal Church , they own no Ruling Elders ; and the Law that set up that party ( having abolished all Presbyterian Judicatures ) did only allow Ministers to chuse such of the People as they thought fit to assist them : Which can be no true notion of a Ruling Elder : nor did ever such Elders sit ; or vote , in their Syn●ds . His denying us to be Ministers , is an impudent Assertion , which he doth not attempt to prove : and how it consisteth with the Catholick Charity , which he blameth us for the want of , I cannot apprehend . That we are called by the People we think it more sutable to the Gospel way than to be imposed on the People by a Patron : that we are sent by the people , or our fitness judged of and determined by them , is an impudent Falsehood : Our Ministers are tryed and sent , or ordained , by the Presbytry , who hath better warrant for so doing than a Bishop hath : But if I should enlarge on every controverted point which this Pamphletteer starteth in his Rambling Discourse , this Paper should swell to a Volume . He chargeth them P ▪ 16 with Preaching still on the Government , and the times : and that they call their Kirk Government Christ , the Crow● , the Scepter , and Government of Christ. I deny not , but that there was a time when these controverted points were too much the subject of the Sermons of some , and there may be need that they should be more insisted on at one time than at another : but that this is now so practised is most false . I am affraid we are rather defective that way , though I would not have these controversies made either the whole or the main part of Sermons . In comparison , we should know nothing among the People but Christ and him crucified . And I am sure that this is the strain of the Presbytorian Preachings that I have occasion to hear : that they call the Government of the Church , Christ , and that is was not the design of their Sermons , nor ever is like to be , to Preach up Christ and Eternity ( which he asserteth , P. 17. ) is most false and calumnious : He pretendeth to trace them in their Politicks Morals , Mysticks and Metaphysicks ( a distinction of his own coyning ) and he saith , they are selfish , singular , full of nonsensick Rapsod●es , which is a false and wicked Calumnie . He beginneth with their Politicks , he saith no Government could tolerat them . whereas we know that the Government and Governours of Scotland have tolerated and owned them many ages : and there is now as happy a Government as ever Scotland saw , which doth not only tolerat them but hath setled them by Law. To prove his assertion he bringeth an instance of Mr. Donald Cargill , a Hill Preacher whom yet he confesseth to have been disowned by the sober Presbyterians : which maketh this instance wholly impertinent : but somewhat he must have to fill up his Paper . The sober Presbyterians are foully by him misrepresented that they disowned the Hill Men on account of their refusing to thank K. J. for his Tolleration : Whereas it is known that they disowned them on account of their wild Principles , inconsistent with the Government both of the State and of the Church ; and that this they did long before K. J. came to the Crown , or gave Indulgence . It is also false that none but Cameronians suffered any thing : and that all the Sober Presbyterians were setled by the Indulgence . For many of the Soberest were put to hard Sufferings both for Preaching , and for not complying with the way then set up . And when the Indulgence came , which freed some who had suffered before ; it was at first granted but to a few : and when it was enlarged by K. Charles some were permitted to enjoy it but a short time . it is unfair dealing , that when the Review of Hist. of Indulgence ( which he citeth ) doth condemn and refute these Principles , he should yet charge us with them . If Mr. D. did so condemn ( as this Author alledgeth ) paying Cess to the K. ( the truth of which I know not ) his Brethren with whom he now joineth , did never approve of such Doctrine . He telleth us of Acts of Assemblies and Covenants , which prove our unpeaceableness such of them as have been cited in other places by his party , have been Answered : We cannot Answer such general alledgances , but by denying that either the Acts of the Assemblies , or the Covenants , contain any thing that prove what he asserteth . The Book he mentioneth ( which I have not seen ) it is like may have an Answer , if it deserve it . If it assert that Presbyterians renounce Monarchy , and all Power save that of the Kirk : so absurd a position is to be despised , being abundantly refuted by our due subjection to our present Rulers , which Sober Presbyterians payed also to them under whose heavy hand they groaned . For farther proof of this imputation he mentioneth Murthers committed in 3 Rebellions : But he must know that his own party gave the rise to all these , by their horrid cruelty , and injustice which forced people beyond the bounds of that patience that was fit . He blameth their flying to Arms in the time of the late Revolution ; but doth not tell his Reader , that it was by publick Authority , and for defence of the States of the Nation , against them who were ready to destroy them , or hinder their meeting . All this hath been alledged and Answered in other Papers . The men who he alledgeth did last year endeavour to have the Solemn League and Covenant by force renewed and imposed , were none of the Presbyterians : Though they call themselves such ; nor can this be charged on us , more than all the practices of the Anabaptists in Germany can be rationally imputed to the Protestants , which yet his Friends the Papists do , and that from the same Spirit by which this Man is acted . He considereth P. 19 the Learning of the Presbyterians : which he is pleased to confine to two heads , Antiarminian Metaphisick , and practical Divinity , which they pretend to draw from the heads of Election and Reprobation ; whereby they Preach Men out of their Wits , and very often into Despair , and self Murther . Nothing can be more falsely , more disingenuously , nor more Maliciously uttered . The former he barely asserteth . We acknowledge that Scotch Presbyterians are generally Antiarminians ; but that they bring no Arguments against that way but from the Metaphysicks ( which may be useful in the controversies about Predetermination . Free will , and scientia media ) is false , altho' it is a wonder that he will allow so much Learning to be among us . We can , and do , disprove all the Arminian Doctrines from the Scripture , and sound Reason , as Augustine , Bradwardine , and others before us had refuted the Pelagians , their Ancestors . On the other Calumny he insisteth at length , but with weak and Ridiculous proofs . The design of his Discourse seemeth to be to Ridicule all Soul-trouble , and Fears and doubts about ones Souls case , and about Salvation , as Melancboly and Distraction . What Service some Men of his Atheistical temper have done to the Kingdom of Satan , by thus skarring People from serious considering the state and danger of their Souls , is too well known : Our Opinion and practice in this matter I shall briefly declare , and then consider what he bringeth against either . We believe that the Lord hath , of his own Soveraign Pleasure , chosen some from Eternity to obtain Salvation by Jesus Christ in the way of Repentance and believing in Christ , and perseverance in Holy walking ; and we believe also that he hath passed by others and from Eternity Decreed not to give them Grace , and Decreed to Damn them , because of the Sins that he foresaw would follow on this preterition , or on their not getting Grace from him . These deep Mysteries of the Divine Providence we do not often , nor without necessity insist on in Sermons ; though we think we ought not to be wholly silent where the Lord hath spoken in his word : Far less is it our practice to draw consequences from these Decrees , to frighten People , or to lead them to Despair : But on the contrary ( whereas troubled Souls do often abuse these Truths , and Satan assists them in it , to move them to cast of thoughts of Believing in Christ , as a hopeless and bootless thing ) we use to tell them , that though the Election of a particular person may be known by the fruits of Holiness , yet that such a person , in particular , is a Reprobate , cannot be known before their Death by themselves nor by others ( except they be guilty of the Sin against the Holy Ghost , which is rarely known ) and therefore none can rationally say , I am a Reprobate , and therefore need not come to Christ ; We inform them from the Gospel that whoever will come to Christ shall be accepted of him and shall find that they are no Reprobates : We tell them of Christs being able to save to the uttermost , of the Free , Gracious , Cordial , Universal offer of Christ made in the Gospel : of his undertaking in the Covenant of Grace to draw the Soul to him , to give it strength to come , as well as to accept of them who come : And it is evident to all that know us , that none do more encourage Sinners , even the worst of them , to close with the offers of Christ by Faith on the terms of the Gospel , then Presbyterians do . It is true , it is no small part of our work to awaken the Consciences of secure Sinners : and this is that which this Man , and such as he , carp at : But this we do , not by telling them of Reprobation , but by laying before them the sinfulness of their nature , and of their way , their lyableness to the Wrath of God because of Sin : And the Holy Justice of God that pursueth Sinners while they live without Christ : and the impossibility of escaping Wrath without Believing , and of Believing without conviction of sin and Repentance , and turning from Sin unto God : And if this Doctrine were considered it would make awakening of Conscience to be more frequent than it is ; but not that Doctrine , but peoples own obstinacy and unbelief , will drive them into Desperation : Which we deny not may be the effect , though per accidens , of the Preaching of the Gospel , as sometimes Hardning is . These things being considered it is easy to blow away all the obloquy that he casteth on us from this topick . If Mr. Brody called a man , on the brink of Desperation , a Good Man : If Mr. Kir●oun called Soul-trouble for Sin a wholesome Disease . I hope they did not mean that Desperation is such ; but that it is a more hopeful thing to see a Man to have his Conscience frightned with the sense of sin and Soul danger ; than that he should be lying in stupid presumption and delusion , or unconcerned about Salvation ; as a Fever coming upon a Palsy is no desireable Disease of it self , nor without danger ; yet it giveth more hope than if the Palsy should continue and resist all remedies : and as no wise Physician will designedly procure a Feaver to a Paralytick person , but endeavour the cure by more safe and gentle means , so we do not endeavour to beget Desperation ; but to prevent it , by Preaching the Gospel with the Law , yet the Conscience must be awakened , or the Soul is undone for ever . That any of us represent God in this Mans Blasphemous notion , as a Sour , Severe , and Vnmerciful Being ; is a false ▪ and wicked imputation : We proclaim his Mercy through Christ , and offer it in his name , to all that hear us , good and bad , on the terms of the Gospel , indeed we tell people that there is no Mercy in God for them while they live impenitently in sin , and live without Christ , and if this make Men Despair , we Lament it . That Mr. Vetch said of 2000 who were hearing them , 80 would not be saved , I do not believe ; it is unwarrantable boldness so to determine ; neither is it our way to go farther in this head , than to say , there are few that shall be saved , which is our Lords own Doctrine . What he imputeth to Mr. Selkrig is none of our Doctrine we know that God seeth Sin in the Elect before Conversion , and imputeth it to them too , though after Conversion he knoweth that they Sin ▪ and is angry with them because of it , yet their Sin is pardoned on their Repentance and flying to Christ ▪ Their Iniquity sha●l not be their Ruine , Ezek. 18. 30. We mantain that no Sin shall hinder the Conversion of the Elect , nor Damn them who are converted : Yet there is no encouragement to Sin : Because they who go on in Sin to the end , can be none of Gods Elect : Nor can they be in the state of Grace who live in Sin , or allow any sin in themselves . Mr. Rutherfurd's expression which he quarrelleth , is parallel with that of Ezekiel . last cited . For the Story of two Self-murderers in the Parish of Leswade : We know nothing of it , if true , what doth it make against us : Have not many of his own way come to that woful End ; and must that he made an Argument against Episcopacy ? That the Presbyterian Preacher in that Parish discoursed at the rate that this Author mentioneth , we have no ground to belive , nor do we approve such Discourse . That Presbyterians decry solid Learning , and particularly Antiquity , is said with a Brow of brass . That we condemn Morality , is a horrid Calumny : We preach it up : And I wish that he or such as he who talk so much of it , did commend it to the People by their own Example . For the Book called , The whole Duty of Man , we commend it as useful ; and so are Seneca's Writtings : But we desiderate in it the Doctrine of the Righteousness of Christ , and His Vertues and Grace , by which these excellent Duties which that Book layeth on us , must be performed and accepted , and without which the highest Morality , as it is distinguished from supernatural Grace , is not regarded by God. His Characters of our Sermons as Nonsensick Raptures , Canting , impertinent and base Similies , that we value no Works , but what tendeth to propagate Presbytry : That we make Christ and the Gospel to be our Kirk Government : Are a parcel of such absurd Lies as deserve no Answer , no Men do more mistake these things than we . If any do use sometimes some Modes of expressing Things , which are too course and low ; yet these are but few , and they are not approved in that way by others : And there are as many of his own Party who are the same way culpable . That we are for the most part on Believe , and mistake Faith for a meer Recumbency : It is no sign of Understanding in this Author to tax us with it , seing it was the Apostles work to know nothing but Christ and Him Crucified : And seing Faith is called the Work of God and His Commandment , above other things that are enjoined : the ●dd way that some have of acting in the Pulpit is barely asserted : Certainly among no Party all Ministers are uniform in this . If there be any thing in this among us that amounteth to Undecency , we reprove it ; which we rarely have occasion to do , and no doubt we might recriminate if we were so disposed : But we think this Author's way not very imitable . That Mr. Thomas Hog said to one that he could not be Happy till he saw the Devil , and had a personal Converse and Combat with him : Is a pure Invention , and not to be believed of that Wise and Good Man , who is now in Heaven : And I give assurance that it is no Presbyterian Principle . He cometh now Pag 25 to discourse of the Civility of Presbyterians , and setteth them out as Denying the common Civilities due to Mankind , to Persons of the best Rank who differ from them : The contrary of this is known to all them who Converse in Scotland : May be he meaneth of such as scruple to call a Bishop my Lord : which yet many Presbyterians have freedom to do ; but do Presbyterians carry so to the Nobility and Gentrie , That they flee from the Company where a Curat is , as a Pest , and that this is a common sign of Grace , is an Assertion beyond the ordinary size of Impudence : That we applaud and approve the Murtherers of the Arch-bishop of St. Andr●ws ; is of the same Stamp . Now he will give some Instances for proof of these Assertions . The first is , The Commissioners of the General Assembly refused to appoint one to preach a Sermon for the Anniversary Day of the Martyrdom of K. Charles the First , when the Privy Council enjoyned it , and that according to an Act of Parliament : ( which Act is a ●eer Invention of his own ▪ ) Here is an Instance of this Author 's learned way of Reasoning , rather than of the Ru●ticity of the Ministers : Had they given the Council any harsh or unbecoming words in this their Refusal ▪ ●is Instance had been pertinent : If a Presbyterian had so reasoned , he would have called it Nonsense : Were the three Children Rude or Uncivil when they refused to fall down before an Image at the Kings Command ? I suppose he will not say it , though their Answer was not half so smoothly worded as that of the Ministers to the Council : ( I do not compare the things ●njoyned , but only the Carriage in both cases , of them who could not obey ) It is matter of Conscience to us , to observe Anniversary Holy Days without Divine Warrand : If any spake indiscreetly in their Sermons on that Day , themselves are to Answer for it : The Answer that he maketh the Ministers to give to the Council , is purely of his own coyning : If Civility ly in subjecting the Conscience to whatever Men shall please to enjoyn ▪ we willingly yeild to this Man and his Party , in that good Quality . His Second Instance , of what Mr. Areskine said , the Day after the Adjournment of the Assembly , is as little to the purpose : For what ever it may prove of Mr. A — 's dissatisfaction with what had past , it proveth nothing of Ru●ticity , on of our denying to them we converse with , the common Civilities due to Mankind Beside I deny that Mr. Areskine's words are here fairly represented ; and he is not no●● to Answer for himself : But they who heard him deny that he spoke such words His 3d. Instance is a gross Untruth , the Moderator said no such words as he alledgeth , That the Terms of Communion proposed by the King , for taking in the Conformists , was insolently rejected by all the Assembly , except Mr. Orrock ; is another Falsehood : For 1. The Consideration of this Matter never came before the Assembly : It was Referred to a Committee ; and the Committees Determination was never suffered by his Grace my Lord Commissioner ▪ to come before the Assembly . 2. The Committee did not reject these Terms of Communion , but agreed to them , provided they who should be taken in would explain some dubious Expressions in them , which they refused to do . Another thing he falsly asserteth is , That the common Discourse and Preaching of Presbyterians was , That King William designed to Dethrone King JESVS : That any Formula but the Covenant , was of the Devil 's making . I wish he could tell us who said so ; for we know them not . He saith also , That the who●● Assembly Protested against the King's Power to Dissolve the Assembly , wher● as many in the Assembly said nothing ; but were grieved for what others said , i● the manner in which it was spoken : And what was said , did no way amoun● to a Protestation ; but was an Assertion of the Churches intrinsick Power to mee● in her Assemblies . That they went to the Cross of Edinburgh , and took a formal Protestation against the King ; is so notoriously false , that all Edinburgh knoweth the contrary . It was indeed reported ( whether true or false , I know not ) that a certain obscure Person ( who he was , of what Principle , or whence he came , we know not ; or whether he were not set on by this Author , or some of his Gang ) on the Street , near the Cross , did Protest against the Dissolution of the Assembly ; But I hope the Presbyterians are not to Answer for every thing that is done at the Cross of Edinburgh . The several Stories P. 28. and 29. that he hath either Coyned , or pickt up from Men of the same Talent of Invention with himself , we are little concerned in . I am sure Presbyterians generally do Love , Honour , and Pray Cordially for King William , and do hope that as the the Lord hath made him an Instrument of Good for his Church , that so he will do still . He hath another Fling at them for not observing Anniversary Days , which he repeateth , it seems , for the sake of a new Notion that had come into his Head ; That we Preach an Anniversary Sermon on Mr. Heriot , because the Preacher getteth 5 lib. a new Hat , and Bible . I pass in silence his Mistake about the Reward for the Sermon , as not material . The real difference lyeth in this ; that the Days that we have refused to keep are holy Days , or pretended to be such , and separated by Mens Authority from the other Days of the Year : This that he objecteth , is not so ; only a Sermon is that Day Preached to put People in mind of the Works of Charity , in which the Pious Founder of that Hospital had been examplary . The rest of the Day is imployed as other Days are . He chargeth us with Disingenuity , Hypocrisie and Covetousness ( according to his Catholick Charity , which he elsewhere denieth to be in us ) his proof of this is , we are against Pluralities ; and yet Dr. Rule , Mr. John Vetch , Mr. William Vetch , Mr. David Williamson , Mr. John Dickson , are sueing for 5 or 6 Stipends at once : And Mr. Ki●ton in Edinburgh went to Marten where he had been Preacher , and got the Incumbent put out , and a Right to his Stipend , and to that in Edinburgh too . Answ. 1. I have heard indeed that one of these named did Petition the Lords of Council for one or two Vacand Stipends for one Year , to make up some great Losses that he had sustained ; what he obtained I am not certain . But even the motion was disrelished by his Brethren : But this is far from approving Pluralities where one Man taketh up yearly the Revenue of diverse places , by which a Minister in each of these places should be maintained . 2. Some of these whom he nameth are most shamefully abused by him ( for it seemeth he throweth his Darts at random not caring where they hit , if they light but on a Presbyterian ) Mr. David Williamson had no accession to this practice ; nor did Mr , Rule ever seek a Stipend , or receive any , except what fell yearly due , and when it was due , in the place where he laboured . 3. As for Mr. Kirton , the Stipend that became due to him at Marten , most of it he freely gave to the Episcopal Minister that was put out ; the rest to the Poor ; which this Author might have known by a Book , which he in this Pamphlet pretendeth to Answer . Another Story he hath to the same purpose of Mr. Anthony Murray , who is now at rest from his Labour , and whom he grossly belieth ; Mr. Murray having lived ( during his being put from his Charge , at Coulter ) in Dunsire , and Preached there : When he was to return to his own Charge , he got the half of 1689 , in Dunsire , and the other half of it in Coulter : Here is no plurality ; most of which he bestowed on the Poor of these Parishes ; for he was neither Needy nor a Niggard . The Episcopal incumbent in Dunsire , though put out , yet got the half of the Stipend of the Year 1691. The Story of Mr. George Johnston is too famous among us : He grew Rich by the beneficence of good People , who valued him highly for his excellent Gift of Preaching , and his good Conversation in all things else , only he overlooked in his Wife many Covetous Practices , which were a grief of Heart to Presbyterians , when they came to be known . The Passages at the dying Man's Bed-side , that our Author imputeth to Mr. Johnston , is a most wicked Invention : Such horrid Hypocrisy had been enough among Presbyterians to render a Man uncapable to exercise the Ministry . The Story of Mr. Balf●ur we deny not , but lament : He was for it Deposed by the Presbytry ; and for many Lords Days did publickly profess his Repentance at the several Churches where he had occasionally preached . as well as at Eccles , where he was fixed in a Meeting-house ; and yet this Author hath the Impudence to Charge Presbyterians with this blame , and to bring them in , excusing or extenuating it as a Slip of the Saints : I wish Scandals were as duely Censured among his own party . What he telleth us of Injury done to Mr. Heriot in Dalkeith , is abundantly Vindicated in a Paper Printed last year on that Subject ; to which I referr the Reader : He was first Deposed by the Presbytry , not for Dancing about a Bonfire ( tho that was mentioned also in his Lybel ) but for other Immoralities : He Appealed to the General Assembly , who referred his Case to the Synod ; they Examined it , and Ratified the Sentence . He made Application to the Privy Counsel , who desired the following Synod to review their own sentence : Which they did and again confirmed it . He hath taken it on trust ( because he hateth us ) that we are of a Malicious and crabbed Nature : And he strains at assigning the cause of it ; viz. that we never suffered Affliction : Which he largely insisteth on in his mocking stile : That the Godly Sisters supplied them so that they lived better than before : This our party needeth not be ashamed of : this Mocker would have Ridiculed Christ also , to whom Women ( the Godly Sisters that he flouteth ) Ministred of their substance . The Charity of his party is not so commendable by far . The Railing and Mocking that on this occasion he farther venteth , is not to be Answered but to be despised , as the the Froth of a Distempered Mind . It is not to be overlookt that he saith P. 84. that we disown the practices of the wild Men , and yet magnify that persecution that they underwent , as if we had shared in it , which we did not . Here are several Mistakes ( to use the softest words that such Absurdities are capable of ) first that we counted them all Wild Men who had an hand in the insurrections and suffered : We know many of them were Good and Sober Men otherwise , tho' in these practices we do not approve their conduct ; yet pity them , as being forced on these courses by the highest degree of Hardship , that they were put to for their Consciences . 2dly . That none but they who took Arms suffered any thing , how many were Fined in a fourth part of their yearly Rent for hearing one Sermon : How many intercommuned , Imprisoned , forced to flee , for not hearing ? Yea the spite of that party appeared more against the Soberest than against others . 3dly . These whom the Book that he ascribeth to Mr. Rule calleth Wild-Men , were a party which sprung out of them who took Arms , and disowned the Presbyterian Church as well as the Episcopal Men , and State : Of these indeed some suffered for disowning the Kings Authority ; but few in comparison of others . As for Mr. Wisharts Sufferings , we do not approve the severity that was used against him ; but do commend his Moderation and Charity after he was advanced : But I am sure many Presbyterians suffered as much , and shewed as much meekness to their Persecutors . He compareth the Meekness , and Moderation of Episcopal Men when in power , with the ingratitude of Presbyterians , who now are the Instruments of persecuting them that saved them : And he bringeth two instances ; one of a nameless person who informed against Mr. Monro of Stirling ; Another , of one Ronaldson against on Mr. Burnet , Minister at Cranston . I deny not but some few of the Episcopal Ministers had aversion from that horrid Persecution that their Brethren practised , and did some Acts of Kindness to some of the Sufferers ; and I am sure when these persons had to do with Presbyterian Judicatories , they had respect to them for that their Moderation ; but if one or two were not so thankful as was fit to their Benefactors ( which yet is not sufficiently prov'd by this Authors assertion ) the Presbyterians blame such Actions , and are not to be blamed for them . His citation out of Mr. D. D. Sermon , is Answered , as Another of the same persons above . He chargeth us that singly we condemn the proceedings of our party , But in meettings we approve them ; this is a gross Calumny ; if he can charge any individual among us with such disingenuous dealing , and make it appear in any particular Act , we shall blame such practices as much as he can ; but that he hath not attempted . In what remaineth of this Section , tho' there is nothing of truth , yet the Author is secure from a Refutation of his Lies ; because they are a bundle of Calumnies in general terms , without either instances , or any thing that looketh like a proof . That the Presbyterian Ministers do either Preach so fillily as he saith , or are deserted by their Hearers , or even by persons of the best Rank and Understanding , is most false : And I am sure their people are generally of better Morals than they are who leave them . That we condemn making use of Books in composing Sermons ; is false : We disprove Repeating of other Mens Sermons , as it is known some of their most eminent Men have done , and that ordinarily : But there is an other use of Books then Transcribing large parcells of them : If any of ours have done so , let them bear their blame ; I am sure it is not so common with us , as it is with his own party . After all these Falsehoods , he hath the impudence to say that these things are too well known to be denied among us : I appeal to all the Nation if ever they heard of most of his Stories , till his Book brought them to light ; yea it is known among us , that many of them are down right Lies . Our Author in his second Section ( having said so much against Presbyterians without Book in his first ) will now make surer work , and expose them out of their Printed Books , which every one may Read , and Judge whether he dealeth fairly with them or not . But even here his Candor will be found short of that which becometh a Christian ; for he chargeth some things on the Presbyterians , on account of things written by Men who were as opposite to the Sober Presbyterians as to Episcopal Men ; what is in others of their Books he doth often misrepresent . But the thing will appear more clearly in particulars , to be observed as we go along . The first he dealeth with is a Sermon of Mr. William Guthry ; who was an eminent Servant of God ; he hath now been Dead 20 or 30 years . The Sermon be saith is fall of Curse● , and he citeth one passage in it , which I am sure no Presbyterian will approve . He saith that Sermon is mightily applauded in the West . He is not ashamed to Reproach the Living and the Dead . For all that knew Mr. William Guthry , will averr that such horrid and rude expressions are not like to have dropped from his mouth . I have indeed heard of a Sermon that went under Mr. Guthries Name ; which was pretended to have been written from his Mouth , ( but by some ignorant and unskilful person ) and Printed without his Knowledge whether this may not be the Sermon he speaketh of I know not ; that Sermon I have never seen , and therefore cannot tell how faithfully the words are cited by our Author . And surely if the people in the West were so taken with it , we should have heard more of it , I cannot meet with any person who knoweth any thing of it . His next citation we are little concerned in , Mr. Walwood was one of the Hill Preachers who did not much favour the Soberer sort of Presbyterians ; neither do I know the truth of what is alledged , having never seen that Sermon . He cometh next to some of the Sermons that were Preached before the Parliament ( where he unmannerly and calumniously Reflecteth on a person of great worth , and Honour His Majesties high Commissioner the Earl of Melvill : others of them , which were also Printed , he taketh no notice of : He falsely ( as well as in a wickedly scoffing ( strain asserteth that these Sermons were carefully kept from Malignant Hands : For they were exposed to publick Sale , and called in the streets , as other Prints use to be : So that every one who pleased might have them . That these Sermons , Extol Presbyterian Government with Epithites due to the Gospel , as Christs Bride , &c. is impudently asserted : He is challenged to shew where this is done : They commend Christs Bride , Gods House &c. But do never give ground to think that they mean only of Church-Government , but evidence that they mean the Reformation of the Church , in Doctrine Worship , and Discipline ; whereof Presbyterian Government is but a part , and not the chief part : These Preachers spake to a Parliament who had under consideration the Christian Reformed Religion , contained in the Confession of Faith , and therefore had good ground to put them in mind of the great weight of what was before them , though Presbytry had deserved no regard . What he citeth out of Mr. Spaldings Sermon is very applicable to what I have mentioned : Indeed if the Reader will allow all this Mans glosses on these Sermons , and think that they mean whatever he fancieth , they may be lookt on as absurd enough : But let this be observed once for all , that tho' Presbyterians never thought that the whole of the Interest of Religion , nor the chief part of it , lay in the setting up Presbytry ; yet they look on it as Christs Ordinance and therefore the setting it up is one thing that belongeth to building of the House of God : And if he can disprove this Notion of things , let him produce his strong Reasons . He next dealeth with Mr. Rules Sermon : Where first he quarreleth with the Text , and from it observeth that their ( the Presbyterians ) Texts are generally out of the obscurest places of the old Testament , where an intelligent Reader will laugh at his Folly , unless he can make it appear , first that Mr. R. is Presbyterians in general , or either that he always hath such Texts ; or Presbyterians generally do as he did at this time , in chusing their Texts . 2. That Isai. 2. 2. is one of the obscurest places of the Old Testament . He next affirms that Mr. R. taketh it for granted that the Mountain of the Lord , there spoken of , is expresly meant of Scottish Presbytry : How he can make this appear is hard to guess : for no such thing is said , or hinted or implyed , in any part or passage of that Sermon : Yea nor is Presbytry so much as once mentioned , either expresly or by circumlocution in it , but what the Parliament is there exhorted to , is , to settle the true Religion among us , and to establish the Church in Purity : To which we deny not the setting up of Presbytry doth belong . It is then a strange notion that he hath , that to us , the only true Religion is Scotch Presbytry , but he thinketh his Tongue is his own , who is Lord over him . Let any Man read that Sermon , and compare it , with this Authors Marginal , and other Notes he hath on it , and he will find that the Man can find no way to reach it , but by his own Additions to it , not by any thing brought out of the Discourse itself : And it may be observed that in that Sermon the Preacher did purposely shun mentioning our differences ; but pressed in general a Reformation of the Church by Scripture , as may be gathered from the Conclusion of his Sermon in these words , I have not in this Discourse been very particular , in bespeaking your care and zeal for the things controverted among us : Partly because time doth not allow to insist on such Debates : And partly , because I am confident they were Men cordially for the advancement of the Life and power of Religion , they would readily fall in to accord about the things that have been the matter of our differences . These considered all his quibbles against this Sermon will evanish like Smoke . He useth this same quibbling way with Mr. D. Williamson's Sermon : Nothing that is in any degree to purpose he bringeth against it , save on passage . viz. That Presbyterian Government is no light matter it is an ordinance of God the Royal Diadem of Christ ; He was a Martyre on this head , for it was his ditty on the Cross , John. 19. 19. Jesus of Nazereth the King of the Jews . A. It is evident that Mr. W. doth there ( P. 17. ) speak in the general of a Government in the Church : And that Christ was a Martyr for his Kingly Office , one part of the exercise of which , is to appoint a Government in his house : And if we can make appear ( as hath been done by several ) that the Government of the Church by the parity of Presbyters is that Government which Christ insituted ● . And that this parity is observed in Scotland ; then it will follow that Scotch Presbytry ( which he is thus pleased to vilify ) belongeth to ( tho' it be not the whole of ) Christs Royal Diadem ; and that they who would set up another way do usurp upon the prerogative of Christ. The Sermon that he next maketh his Observations on , and that from P. 45. to 49 seems to be done ( if his Citations out of it be just , for I have not seen this Sermon ) by one of too hot a temper : And there are many things in it that the more intelligent and Sober Presbyterians do not own : Wherefore there needs no more be said in Answer to what he asserteth against us from that Discourse ; only on his Margine he taketh notice , that Mr. Rule ( for all along he is pleased to suppose him to be the Author of the Answer to the five Pamphlets ) denieth that it hath been used to take Parents engaged , when their Children are Baptized , to the Covenant . Mr. Rule ( or who ever be the Author of this Book ) saith only , that this is not the common practice in the Presbyterian Church now settled : And I do joyn with him in that assertion . Neither do I know the contrary , as this Author impudently imputeth to Mr. R. The next Book he taketh to task , the Hind let loose , we also disown , as done by one who then headed a party who separated from almost all the Presbyterian Ministers in Scotland : so that I have no more to Answer of his Book till P. 71 where he blameth us , that the Author of the Vindication disowneth that Book , and yet it was never condemned by any publick deed of the Presbyterians , A. Will this Author disown no Book written by an Episcopal Man , unless it hath been condemned by some publick Deed of their Church , I suppose he will not say so . No Church is obliged to condemn every faculty Book in particular : It is a sufficient general Condemnation of every errour , that a Church do approve the truth , and do not teach any errour . Before I pass from his Notes on this Book , I observe one Falsehood twice asserted ; viz. on the Margine of P. 56. and of 58. That the late Assembly refused , at King Williams desire , to admit any of the Episcopal Clergy with them into the Exercise of the Ministry ; and that they refused to receive them into any terms of Peace , and Communion . This I say is false ; For 1. The Assembly were not suffered to bring in the Resolution of their Committee about that Affair , nor to determine any thing in it . 2. Their Committee had concerted terms of Communion with these Men , but they would come into no terms with the Assembly : For they refused to explain any one word in that Formula which they proposed to the Assembly : but of this a little was said before , and more afterwards may be said . P. 71. He beginneth to deal with another Book , which he was pleased to make Mr. Rule the Author of ; though it hath no name prefixed to it ; with this Book he is very Angry , and doth what his witt and Malice ( which are very disproportioned ) can reach , to disparage the Author : That we do not much reckon upon ; for we defend not Men , but Principles . If Mr. Rule were the Author of that Book , and if he had leisure for such work ; it is like this Pamphlet had received a more exact Answer : The Book spoken of is , The second Vindication &c. in Answer to 5 Pamphlets . he giveth it a very slight Refutation , passing over the most material parts of it : And using his Critical skill about some few things which fall in on the By , or that he thought to have more advantage against . He begineth with P. 125 of that Book : where the Author had said , that none of the Ministers were Murdered by the Camer●nians ( for his words are not faithfully here cited ) he affirmeth that the Author knoweth that Instances might be given of Ministers Murdered by them . This is false , for we all know the contrary and it is strange that this Author should be so confident in this , when he knoweth ( if he read the Book that he refuteth any farther than here and there one Line of ten ) that the Author doth in the very next Line challenge his Antagonist to bring any such instance . And this Man saith instances might be brought , but attempteth not to do it . What seemeth to be the proof of this confident assertion is a notable instance of our Authors skill in Logick : It is confest ( postser : of 2d vindication ) that some Men and Women invaded the house of a Minister , tore off his Cloaths , and beat him on the Head and Legs , which looked but too like a design to Murther him . The consequent must be , E. they Murthered him : On this strong Argument he calleth the Authors Answers to what was charged on the Presbyterians , a Ridiculous disguising of what he could not deny : whether it be so or not , I hope Readers will judge , by comparing what is said pro & contra , and not take it on this Mans word : That Mr. P. refused to Answer the Pamphlets , because he found it impossible to speak any thing in their ( Presbyterians ) Vindication but what all Scotland knew to be false : This I say , is a bold assertion : Mr. P. expressed no such Reason for his Refusal : But this pretender can by guess , assign the most secret Reasons of things . He undertaketh to shew that in every page that Book aboundeth with scurrilous Railings , Untruths , Contradictions , and Nonsense : And will charge these on the whole party , because they enjoined the writting of this by him who did write it : This is like our Authors way of Reasoning . I am perswaded that one shall not find so much Nonsense in all that Book as he hath here presented us with : For what Sense is it , the party bid such an one Answer such ●amphlets E. all the faults in the manner of Writting are the blame of the whole party : If our Author would make it appear that the General Assembly enjoined the Answerer to Rail , write Lies , Contradictions , and Nonsense , then indeed he spoke to the purpose : If not , these Faults , if they be , are only chargeable on the Author ; as the halting of the Horse is on his being Lame , not on the Rider : And it is Nonsense to lay the blame on them who are so innocent . The first of these Accusations ( which he insisteth on P. 73 , 74 , 75. is Scurrtlous Railing . This he endeavoureth to make out , because Preface P. 1. he calleth Prelatists the Seed of the Serpent &c. let any one Read that Passage , and see whether either Prelatists be named , or the words can be drawn to signify either all Prelaticts , or that party in general . It is plain that they who are spoken of are a party of Men ( who it is like may be found among the Prelatists ) who had alwayes disquieted the Church of Scotland , and do now bespatter her with all the Calumnies they can invent : The Pamphlets Answered in that Book , and this , now under consideration , are a sufficient proof that such Men there are among them : Tho' we are far from thinking that all Prelatists are such : For some we know who differ from us soberly and maintain their Principles , not with such a Spirit as appeareth in this Pamphlet , but abhor such wayes , and are ashamed that their cause should be so patronized : This considered , all that he collecteth out of the Preface falleth to the ground : Men of his kidney , we say , use the stratagems of Heathens , Papists , yea that they do the Devils work ; and what followeth : if he can disprove this , let him do . What he saith of the Authors of their late Books being charged with some ill things P. 73 if they be not retracted by the Author of that Book , shall be disowned by us all , if they can be made appear to be either false or unnecessary truths , who could shun calling these things Lies , Misrepresentations , &c. which are manifestly such , and made appear to be such : let any impartial Reader compare what is said of these Pamphlets with the passages to which they are applyed , and we are not afraid to endure his Censure . We know Moses could be provocked : The Apostle Paul spake harsh words to one who endeavoured to Pervert the right wayes of God : And our Lord himself called some Men a Generation of Vipers . What he observeth out of P. 21. that it is said , that the Prelatical party is eminent for Spite is a Misrepresentation , like what hath gone before : It is said of his party , that it is a degenerate sort of furious Men ▪ that are a Reproach to either Episcopal , or any other party they own : And truly though i had not been said , this Book is a proof , that such Men may be met with in Scotland The same is Answered to what he objecteth out of P. 25 where Episcopalians are not so much as mentioned . What he citeth out of P. 51 I do not find , if I knew where else to seek after it , I should consider it : But if the Author he dealeth with have spoke so Reproachfully of any worthy Man , whose words are not manifestly such as he calleth them , let him hear his own blame . I wonder where the Contradiction lyeth between P. 146. that our differences are irreconcilable without the yeilding of one party ( these last words he leaveth out ) and P. 1. they own the same Religion with us : May not lesser difference be irreconcilable as well , as greater ? Are not many differences in Philosophie irreconcilable , and yet the persons differing may agree well enough , tho' not about that thing . Out of P. 168 he citeth these words Prelatists spend their short Glass : Whereas the words are his party spend — if this be fair dealing , let the Reader judge . What is said of a Snarling Cur , P. 191 , was but the expression of a just Indignation against a most vile Reproach cast on a person famous in his day in all the Churches , now when he hath many years been in Glory , what he ranteth with ( while he chargeth Ranting on others ) throughout P. 75 is not worthy of an Answer . P. 76 , He falleth on another head of the Faults he findeth with that Book : Whether it be the Falsehoods , or the Contradictions of it , is not easy to discern , he doth so jumble things together , but I shall take things as they come to hand . We disown that principle on which he saith much of that Book is founded , Dods you have been done by he might see ( sed impedit ira Animum ne possit cernere verum ) that that very Book doth blame the Rable who did to others ; but a small part of what they had suffered from them : And if it do at any time excuse them by their sufferings , so far as to say , that they were to be pitied , and that it was but suitable to humane infirmity : I hope this is far from establishing such a Principle as he mentioneth , or from building on it ; neither is their any ( much less a shameful ) Contradiction here , or at every turn . It is rather a shameful Ignorance of the nature of a Contradiction to assert this . If Cameronians be sometimes called Godly , and sometimes Wild and ungovernable : A Contradiction is easily shuned , unless both propositions were universal ; which neither is nor can be alledged : There are of both sorte among them : And we deny not but some degree of Wildness may consist with a degree of Godliness , though it is to be Lamented that they should meet in one person : It is not easy to determine what degree of Sinfulness ( especially that which consisteth in , or floweth from Errour in the understanding ) may consist with the least degree of Grace : Hence we have Charity to some Episcopal Men , who we think have made very foul steps . Another Contradiction he either findeth or maketh , is , Treating the Adversaries as Brethren , and at the same time calling them the seed of the Serpent , Devils , Drunkards , &c. What is more obvious to them who will understand , than that it is the Episcopal Party whom we own as Brethren , and would gladly engage to an Union with us , on good Terms : And yet there is a Party among them ( especially of their late Writers ) who deserve all these Epithites that are alledged to be given them ( only they were never called Devils in that Book ) save that his work of false Accusing is ascribed to them ; and if he pleaseth to draw this Consequence , they are false Accusers , E. Devils , we shall not reclaim . Yea , it is no inconsistency to treat these Adversaries civilly , and yet tell them what they say or do amiss , and that in plain and proper Terms . Another great Contradiction he bringeth , P. 77. I build not on Hear-say or common Fame : And I take many of the Matters of Fact from others : And the veracity of my Informers , not mine , is pledged for them . I wish this Author would study Logick before he would undertake to write Books any more . Where is the Contradiction between not asserting any thing on common Report , and building on a particular Report or Information : A Judge will not pass Sentence on a common Report . I have heard ; and it is reported , and an unnamed person told me so ; which is the strain of the Pamphlets Answered by that Book : And yet he giveth a Decreet on the testimony of particular Witnesses ; tho' he hath no personal knowledge of the matter of Fact. And why may not one who vindicateth others from false Imputations , disown the one way of procedure , and yet make use of the other ? It must likeways be a Contradiction with this Learned Author , That we do not interpose in the Affairs of the Church of England , tho' some of them have medled with ours beyond their Line ; and yet we call them Superstitious , Popish , &c. Hath he so little Witt , as that he cannot distinguish between telling our Opinion of a Way , and medling in the Affairs of them of that Way : the one is matter of Opinion , the other of Practice . We think the Popish Way is wrong , but we manage no Intrigues to pull down the Triple Crown , we leave that to them who are called by God for that work : Some of the Church of England have Consulted , and Contrived with our Enemies in Scotland , how to disquiet and over-turn us : We have done no such thing toward them . His Construction on our asserting , That the Covenant only Bindeth us to concurr with England when called by them , in the Reformation of the Church : is his own , none of ours : And will be despised by impartial Readers . He maketh it also a Contradiction , That King James Abdicated the Government , and that The Nation took away His Royal Authority . It is just such a Contradiction as to say , That a Man deserteth his Wife , and will not dwell with her ; and therefore she obtaineth a Divorce by Course of Law ; but these high Points I unwillingly medle with . That the Book he Refuteth sayeth any where , That we owe no Allegiance to King William , but in so far as he supporteth Presbytry , is denied : I wish he had cited the Page where such words were to be found . This will no way follow from what is cited out of the Acts of the Convention of Estates . For Episcopacy may never he restored , and yet Presbytry not supported . What he is angry with , as reflecting on Heredetary Monarchy , the Estates of the Nation must answer for it , not the Ministers of the Gospel . Another Contradiction he fancieth , P. 79. it is said in that Book P. 36. Parag. 11. Most of the Episcopal Ministers ( the words are , most of them who went out . For very many Episcopal Ministers neither went out , nor were put out ) were put out by their own Consciences ; for they deserted their Charges without threatning , sentence or Compulsion . And yet P. 26. it is owned the Presbyterian Rable did persecute and drive them away . A Child could tell him that there is no incoherency : for some left their charges the one way , and some the other way . But what most angereth him is , that it is said , these things were in an Interegnum . Which he saith is impossible in an heredetary Kingdom , where the King never Dyeth . Whether the Author of the 2d Vindication , spake properly in this , let Lawyers determine : I will not judge in such mat●ers : But I am sure there was then no exercise of Government ; either in the State , or in Church , which could take course with what was amiss ; and if the King cannot Die in Law ; how another could be set up , let the Estates of the Nation inform this bold Asserter , by defending their own Deed in a way suitable to their place : If our Foundations may be thus shaken , Impune , at the pleasure of Private Persons ; and K. ●'s Interest so plainly , and publickly pleaded for , under King W. the Government is in no safe Condition . It is said 2d Vindication , P. 26 , the oppressed people having Potentiam , tho' not Potestatem , it was not to be wondred at , that they relieved themselves : Whence our Author very wisely observeth ; it is no new thing for Presbyterians to think power a sufficient Call to Act Illegally : As if these were Equivalent Terms ; it is not to be wondred at , if such a thing be done : And there is a sufficient Call to do it : The one importeth no more , but that there was Provocation ; which we affirm that the Rable had , The other that they had warrant , and that they did well in what they did : Which was never Asserted in the Book that he Refuteth ; but often , and expresly disowned . He doth indeed make a real Contradiction ( which it seems he behooved to do ; for he could find none ) whereas he alledgeth that P. ●61 . it is said , in Galloway the Incumbents were generally driven away : And yet elsewhere , they deserted without Threatning , or Compulsion . The strength of this Contradiction lyeth in his leaving out half of the Sentence that he citeth ( by the like means he might make the Scripture speak Blasphemy : And so the Devil cited it when he tempted Christ to cast himself Headlong ) the Authors words are in Galloway the Incumbents were generally driven away , or Deserted . We have next P. 80 a horrible Contradiction : it is said P. 34 That the Rable went away from Mr. Skinners House after they had Eaten . and P. 27. they took the Poors Box by force out of the House of Mr. Russel , and yet it is said P , 29 , that they are misrepresented , when it is said that they did Eat and Drink at the Expence of them whom they Rabled : And that all the Reports of them , give account of their not laying their hands on the Prey Est. 2. 15. A. At Mr. Skinners House , they did Eat at the Invitation of the Mr of the Family : Neither did they any violence to that Family ; both which are expressed in the place that our Author citeth : But it was not fit to take notice of these Circumstances , for it would have spoiled the designed Contradiction : If he can instance , where they took Meat or Drink by force , than may be Glory in a Contradiction , at lest a Falsehood . For taking the Poors Box , it was not laying hand on the Prey ; for they offered Security , that the Box , and Money and other Utensils of the Church , should be safely kept , and restored to them who should be concerned in that Church : But this also must be overlookt for the former Reason : If he can make it appear , that they put any of these Goods to any other than the proper use , or disposed of them to themselves , he should say somewhat to the purpose . Yet another Contradiction , P. 80 ▪ it is said 2 Vind , P , 145. it is better that England and Scotland be not united , than that the Institutions of Christ should be thwarted ; And yet it is said , may not two Nations Trade together , and be Governed by the same Laws : And yet bear with one another , as to Church ways ? I confess my shallow wit cannot reach a Contradiction in these two Assertions . The Author is there Answering an Argument brought why Episcopacy should be the Church Government of Scotland , because without it we can not have a National Union with England ; and he bringeth these two Answers ; either of which is sufficient . If he think that the Author of the 2d Vindication meant , that England , and Scotland might be united in Trade , and Civil Government ; and yet not so united : Then certainly , either that Author or this , must be a very Dunse . On this occasion he asketh ; may not the West of Scotland , and the other parts of that Kingdom Trade together , and be Governed by the same Laws , And yet the West not impose their Kirk ways on the rest of the Kingdom : And here he Triumpheth , with a Responde Gilberte . — Some will think this fine Notion no great matter of triumph ; but rather it exposeth the meanness of the Authors understanding . I hope he will accept of a rational Answer , tho' it be from another hand then Mr. Rules , whom he there insulteth over . I say first ; there were no inconsistency , nor would imply both parts of a Contradiction , if Presbytry should be in the West , and Episcopacy in other parts of the Nation : tho' it might breed much breed much Confusion ; and were an irrational setlement , Scotland being one National Church . 2. The Reason why the same Government should be setled all the Nation over , is , because there is but one Government instituted , or warranted in Scripture . If our Rulers had other grounds for this determination , these do not weaken , but strengthen this . 3. It is false that the West imposeth on the rest of the Nation : The Law hath setled the same Church Government through the whole Nation ; and it is not in the West only that that Government is desired by Ministers and People . Amidst his pretended Contradictions he findeth P. 81. some other faults , with this Book , that it saith P , 151 , Presbyterian Government was setled by Christ : And this he doubteth whether it be an Oath , or not : but saith ▪ that it is an Oath is most natural to the words . An intelligent Reader will wonder how such a Construction could be put upon such words by one whose witt is not a wool-gathering : But his wonder shall be increased if he shall Read the whole passage out of the Book it self , which is , we desired to meet for other ends , than setling the Presbyterian Government , we know it was setled long before by Christ as his institution But fain he would disprove the truth of this assertion which he endeavoureth by two Topicks , well suited to the size of his Learning : The former is , he setteth down a most Ridiculous parcel of Arguments against Episcopacy ; which he saith , is our ordinary Cant : Can he produce any Author among us that ever used such a way of a Reasoning ? And this he is obliged to do , seing that which he professeth to be now on , is , to give some expressions out of their Printed Books , as the Title of this his second Section beareth : If the meannest of our party should talk at that Rate , we would sharply Rebuke them : If there be not on our side found stronger Arguments against Episcopacy , we shall yeild the cause . If he cannot tell us where these passages are to be found ( as he hath not done ) I leave to the World to pass a Judgement on his Conscience and Honesty ; I take notice of two things that he observeth , before I come to his other mighty Argument . One is , we never call the Apostle St. Paul ; because he never Swore the Solemn League and Covenant : This is to talk Ridiculously , I will give him better Reasons for this our Practice ( tho' we can bear with them that do otherwayes than we do ) one is we usually give that Glorious Instrument in the work of the Gospel , a more peculiar Title than that of Saint ; the Apostle Paul. Every Good Man is a Saint ; and every one Canonized is called Saint : But every one is not called an Apostle : Again the Title of Saint before the name of any person doth ( in the Popish Church from whence we derive this Custom ) absolutely depend on the Popes Canonizing that person , as that of Sir prefixed to ones name , on the Kings Knighting of him . They do not call a Man Saint only because he lived a Holy Life on Earth , and is now in Heaven : For then Moses , Aaron , David , &c. should have this Title prefixed to their Name , which the Men I now debate with will not allow , nor do they practise it . Farther it may be made appear that the Primitive Church did not thus Saint . Men , but when she also Worshiped them , and their Relicts . As the Learned Mede Comment in Clav Apocal●pt sheweth out of Surios in T : 6. No : 28. That when from Council : Constant : under Comstantin : Iconomach : Some were sent to convince Stephen the Monk , he accused them , that they had banished the Name of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 , Saint , and would have these Holy Men called only Apostles and Martyrs . And Cedrenus telleth us , That the same Constantine made an universal Law ( which , saith Mede , was no doubt according to the Sentence of the Council ) that none of the Servants of the Lord should be called Saint , but that their Relicts , if found , should be neglected . Hence some will inferr , that the use of this Praenomen began with St. Worship , though afterwards it was confirmed by Canonization , as St. Worship also was by the Pope ; and therefore they ought to be laid aside together . It is true Mr. Mede laboureth to appropriate this Prohibition to the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as signifying the honour of Intercession : But I would gladly know what other Epithete , which can betranslated St. they put in the stead of it . Neither do I find ground from any good Author that ever 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signified an Intercessor , But enough of this Digression , which is sufficient to excuse Presbyterians , in this matter . Another thing I note on this first Argument of our Author , that he saith , the Author of the 2d Vind. from these ( viz. the senseless Discourse that he had framed for us ) and such like Arguments : Allows no Church , but the Presbyterian to be of Divine Institution ; and unchurcheth all the Episcopal Churches ; while yet he denyeth not Papists to be lawful Ministers . The absurdity of this Allegation is manifest to any that have Read the Book he mentioneth ; for from the beginning to the end of it , neither any of these Arguments , nor any such Arguments are mentioned , if he can point to the place where they are to be found , I shall bear what blame he pleaseth to affix upon me , on this account . The Conclusion also that he draweth from these , and such like Arguments is falsely , and Disingeniously ascribed to that Author : For no such Conclusion is to be found in his Book , we ever acknowledged Episcopal Churches ▪ to be true Churches , and their Ministers to be true Ministers . His other Argument is , if he can but refure the Learned Dr. Pearsons Defence of Ignatius Epistles , or shew us any authentick record , or received Antient History , that Presbytry was ever the Government of the Church ; than we shall yeild the Cause . If he will not be of our Opinion without this condition , let him even enjoy his own : For all that can be demanded that way having been abundantly done by several of our Perswasion : neither that Author , nor I , think it with our while to essay any thing farther for the sake of such a pitiful Pamphlets as this : But if he will please to Answer what our Men have Written ; it is like what he bringeth may be considered . It had been asserted by some of the Pamphleters Answered in the ●d Vind , that in stead of 14 Bishops , 60 were set up to Rule the Church : And he is pleased to call the Answer to this , Quibbles , but thinketh not fit to give any return to what is said in disproving of that absurd Assertion : And so the whole of it standeth in its intire strength : only he affirmeth that all there said dependeth on this Supposition , that the Parliament is the Church , because that the Parliament put the Government into the hand of those 60. It is strange that this Writter will needs have the Presbyterian Ministers , and Elders in Scotland , when the Government was setled by Parliament to be but 60. Where in the Book he pretendeth to Answer , it was told him that their Representative , the General Assembly , consisted of 116 Ministers , and 47 Ruling Elders ; and nothing said to disprove it : But some will keep to the Conclusion , let the premisses be what they will ; We are far from making the Parliament the Church : The Presbyterians had intrinsick Power to Govern the Church , and what the Parliament did was no more but allowing the Exercise of this Power , and adding their civil Sanction to it . P. 82 P. 83. He is very Angry with an Assertion , that We are for Moderation ; and on the contrary he bringeth a multitude of Accusations against us , partly false , and all of them abundantly answered , as of old ▪ when things were recent , so lately in the 1st and 2d Vind : To which Answers he doth not pretend to Reply any thing , but confidently repeateth the former Imputations . It is in vain to debate with Men of this strain , or to Answer what they say : I have seen some Scolds so insist , in spite of all Reason that could be brought against them : But for Men pretending to Learning to use such a Method , is not usual . He speaketh P. 83. of an Answer given in 2d . Vind : P. 157 about a Protestation given by some Presbyters against the King , and some Acts of Parliament . I have lookt over that Page , and some before and after it , and can find no such Passage : and therefore must leave it till he give us a more distinct Information about it . He findeth ( as he fancieth ) a plain Contradiction ; That it is said ibid : That the fatal Division about Protestation and Remonstrance was not so much as mentioned among us : And yet it was moved that some of the Sentences of the Remonstrators should be taken off What was moved in the Assembly was , That some Brethren had been deposed in the time of our late Differences , and these Sentences were taken off by other Judicatories , that this might be confirmed by the General Assembly , which was done . Is here any reviving of these Differences : If he Childishly lay the Stress on the Word [ mentioning these Differences ] he may know that old Debates are said not to be mentioned , when they are sopite , not contended about , nor do divide the Church into Factions ; though they be discoursed of , as things that once had a Beeing . He quarrelleth P. 84 , with the Constitution of the General Assembly ; but will not be at the pains to Answer what hath been answered to either himself , or some of his Brethren , making the same objection , in their former Pamphlets . It was a General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church , which had the ruling Power by Law , as it always had a Right to it by the Gospel . ●f he had proved that Fasting on the Lord's Day , is making bold with it , he had spoken somewhat to the next purpose he falleth on ; or that he could shew that Feasting is necessary on the Lord's Day , otherwise what he bringeth is not ad rem , What followeth P. 84 , 85. about Purging Work , is a piece of Booff●nry , and a taste of the Mans Spirit and Skill in Reasoning : For what he addeth about Complyers with Episcopacy , professing Repentance ; we do not controvert : Only it is seen since that time , that others have followed the Mans footsteps , of whom , he speaketh . What remains of his Observations on that Book , is , partly about the Witnesses that are brought on both sides , for the matters of Fact in Rabling . It was alledged in the 2●d Vind. that the Witnesses to attest the Rablings were generally the persons Rabled : We not only derogate from their Testimony on this account ; but we disprove what they affirm : On the other side , they are mostly other persons and if he can disprove what they testify , we shall , so far yeild to him . For his Gentry , or Ministers who are not parties in that particular ; we never rejected their Testimony ; except when he telleth us a Gentle Man , or Credible person , said so and so ; but we must not know who he is , nor enquire whether he said it or not . He next hath a long harangue to Ridicule Mr. Rule ; ( whom he will needs have to be the Author of that Book ) as commending himself , and that pretty odly . For his Vindication I recommend it to any who in this would be satisfied , to Read the Book , as to these passages Where he will find half Sentences , or passages dismembered without the antecedentia & consequentia , to give the whole an odious aspect . next that what was said ( whether by himself or another ) was se Defendendo : Or in defence of a Brother , who was ( in these things ) Reproached , and through his side the Cause that he owned was exposed the Apostle Paul is a precedent in that Case si liceat magnis componere parva . If the wrong numbering of the pages be taken notice of , for the Readers better direction , This cannot escape our Authors Critical Eye ; but must be placed among the Faults of the 2d Vindication . When he begun his Censures on this Book he promised ( magno hiatu ) to find , in every page , Scurrilous Railing , Vntruths , Contradictions , and Nonsense : For the ▪ 1st , and 3d , he hath tryed his skill ; but I hope without success : On the 2d head he hath said little ; but for the 4th , tho' that be the Talent they confidently ascribe to all Presbyterians , he hath not so much as attempted any thing . It were well if this would make them more Modest in their Censures of us . Mr. Meldrum is the next person he dealeth with ; whose letter ( annexed to the former Book , containing a vindication of himself from the false aspersions cast on him in the Pamphlets this Author would fain say some thing against : But findeth little matter for his Witt , and Malice to work upon : The 1st thing he quarrelleth is , a Complaint that the Pamphlets which Reproach him are spread in England and hardly to be found in Scotland : Which he excuses , because they have not the Liberty of the Press , nor importing such Books : And that some of them were taken in Berwick . A. These of their Railing Pamphlets which have been imported were never challenged ; none ever came to trouble for them , tho' we well know who brought them into the Country . The Books taken at Berwick were some Copies of a piece against the Civil State ; and striking at the Foundation of the present setlement . It was not Presbyterians that arrested them ; but those in chief Authority under the King , who are not all Presbyterians . Next he blameth Mr. M. for calling the Covenant a Sacred Oath : against which he Raileth , but doth not argue . I hope the want of the Kings Authority could not make the matter of the Oath to be bad , if it be otherwise good . Neither did the Covenant want the Royal Authority : The National Covenant was signed by K. I. and by C. 2. and the League and Covenant also by the Latter . Again it is said by Mr. M. that the submitting of some to Reordination is Scandalous All that he hath in Answer to this is , some of the Reformed French did submit to it , E. It is not Scandalous . If this be a good Argument I could tell him some of the French Protestant Ministers , and those of the most Eminent that came to England refused to submit to it , E. It is Scandalous ; His account of Subscribing a Paper that was said to be the Oath of Canonical Obedience , our Author is pleased to call Shufting and Shifting : And this is all the Refutation he thinketh needful to to that Discourse ; and so it standeth in its intire strength . That he lamented and yet continued in his Canonical obedience . Is an invidious Representation . He Lamented his signing of that Paper : he did nothing but what he thought himself obliged to though he had never signed such a Paper , which was not formal Canonical Obedience ; but performing of these Duties that his office obliged him to , tho' there had been no Bishop in the World. He putteth off all the rest of this Letter and the Book in which it is , by telling us it needed no Answer ; whether it be so or not , let the Readers judge . He now undertaketh another Antagonist , the famous Learned and Holy Mr Samuel Rutherfo●rd , who hath now a long time been , I hope , in Glory : And whose same shall remain in the Learned World , when the name of such an One as this Scribler shall Rot. Among the many excellent ●●rks of that Author , he singleth out his Letters ; which were written on several occasions , in a familiar ( but most Heavenly and affecting Stile ) to private persons , some of them but of ordinary Capacity , tho' of eminent Piety : And without any design of being made more publick then between the Writer and Receiver . These were many years after his Death collected , and printed by a great Honourer of Mr. Rutherfo●rd . In these Letters there are many passages that are expressed in words not very Common but very apt and significant , and many homely similitudes are used ; but these most plain and expressive of the thing designed . But I challenge this Moinus , with all his Critical skill , to shew any thing in them that is unsound , that is derogatory from the Majesty of God , or the Glorious Excellency of our Redeemer , or that tendeth to corrupt the Soul ; and not to engage it to Christ , and to the way of Holiness . There are indeed many passages uninte ligible by two sorts of persons , viz. by English Men , who are not throughly acquainted with our Language : And by Men who are unacquainted with the Exercises of a believing Soul , and its Communion with God in Christ : which I suppose gave the occasion of this Writters Laborious transcribing these passages . There are many who speak Evil of the things they know not . Let them who are acquainted with the Mystery and power of Religion , consider these Letters , and I am perswaded that , so far as they understand the Language they are written in , they will have other thoug●ts of them than this Author hath ▪ In the end of these citations , our Author hath one short observation , which if ye will believe it ( and ye have his word for it ) will make all these Letters most absurd : that is P. 95 all that is meant here by Christ ▪ is Presbyterian Government . If Presbyterians know , nor mind no more of Christ but that , Let them be hissed at and abhorred by all the World ; can the Man who uttered this word have any regard to Conscience , or Credit ? Is he to be lookt on as one who understandeth what he re●deth , or careth what he saith ? And not rather as a prophane Mocker whose Bands shall one day be made strong ? He concludeth this Section with our Principles about Civil Government , which he proveth out of some passages in publick Papers in time of the late War between King and Parliament . These were the effect of the unhappy differences , that then were ; which were man●ged by Statesmen , and these not all Presbyteri●ns : and the Church , that was drawn along with them , did not consist of Presbyterians wholly ( tho' that was then the publick profession ) as did appear when Episcopacy was after set up . What he citeth out of the Hind let loose , and Jus Populi , we will not Answer : For these Books were never owned by all , nor the generality of the more judicious Presbyterians . I now proceed to his third , and last Section , in the former of which he hath made a Collection of Notes of Sermons ; a●d in the latter of passages in Prayer said to be uttered by Presbyterian Ministers . I joyn these Sections together , because they contain things of the same nature , and the Answer to them is the same . To examine all the particular stories here set down ( considering to what distant times and places they relate ) would take much time , much pains , and also no small expence , for intelligence : And when all this were bestowed , the result would not be Operae pretium ; tho' we should find all to be Lies ; for many of them carry their improbability and falsehood in their face , and will be believed by none who is acquainted with Scotland nor by Strangers who have not enslaved their Credulity to a party , whose work it is to disparage their Opposits , and to get esteem to themselves ▪ by Lies and Forgeries , Nor can the impudence of this Author , expressed P. 116. in his asserting the truth of what he hath writen , be able to impose upon judicious and unbyassed persons . I shall not say , that all that he hath here narrated is Lies , and pure Forgeries ; ( tho' I solemnly declare that I know not any one passage among them to be folly true , as he relateth them ; nor can I meet with any person who hath such knowledge of them ) for I know there are among us some who are not : so polished as they should be , who may be guilty of some expressions that are rude , unexact , or too course or bald , and unbesee●ing the gravity and greatness of Gospel Truths . But I gladly would know what party of Men are , or ever were in the World consisting of so many Individuals , among whom some such might not be found . I am sure the Episcopalians cannot pretend to it : if we were disposed , so to imploy our selves ( but we abhore to ●ake in such a Dunghill ▪ we could muster up as long a list of passages , unbecoming the Gospel● and that without Lying or Forgery ; I do not say we could equalize him for vile , and absurd Stories : For I do not believe that it is incident to Men who bear the Christian name , or that ever stept into a Pulpit in Scotland , to speak some of the things he here relateth : and therefore we will not vie with him in the Talent of Writing at this rate . But we could make it appear that his party hath no cause to Glory over ours , in the matter of freedom from indecencies in Preaching and Prayer . Wherefore it is evident that the tendency of this part of his Book is to expose his Nation to the contempt of Strangers ; yea to make the work of Preaching Ridiculous to a profane , Atheistical Generation ▪ who already misregard it The Stories that he ( with the help of a Cabal of the same spirit with himself ) hath collected for P. 116. he mentioneth the Collectors of these Notes are not all alike absurd , some of them being horrid Blasphemies ; others Ridiculous Nonsense ; some false Doctrine : Some scurrilously obscene ; and there are some which have no other evil in them , but that the manner of expression is undecent , and too mean. So what is here narrated is not equal , as to truth or ground and occasion given for such Stories . Sometimes he disguiseth what was truly said , and putteth it in another dress , to make it Ridiculous or absurd : others he maketh up , by tacking 2 or 3 passages together , which might be spoken at diverse times , and diverse occasions , and little harm in them : but when blended into one , they appear odd and become unsavoury . Others again are pure fiction , and no occasion given for such Report ; but the witt of the Caball is both Father and Mother to them , and this Scribler is the Midwife at least . If I give a few instances of this kind , and bid him ( or any else ) defiance to prove them by any credible Testimony , I hope the Reader will think his whole Collections sufficiently discredited , and this part of his Book refuted . I give for instances two Stories of Mr. Kirton , P. 105. another of his P. 107. and of Mr. Kennedy , Ibid. also these of Mr. Artkine , and Mr. Kirton P. 108. and one of him in the top of P : 110 , and the 1st two of him P. 111. that Prayer of Mr. Blair P , 113 , and especially what the Author affirmeth that several in the Meeting-Houses of late have made use of the same expression : That Prayer ascribed to a head of a Colledge , P. 114. and that which followeth , beginning , Good Lord what have ye been doing &c. That Prayer about the Election of Parliament Members at Edinburgh , P , 115. and the 1st of Mr. Areskine , Ibid , that of Mr. Rule Ibid , that Prayer of the Minister at the Dissolution of the Assembly : I might mention abundance more of them , which are as false and groundless Forgeries as ever were uttered by any Tongue : But these may suffice for a taste of the honesty of this Author , and his Collectors . What followeth in the last page sheweth to what an height of Boldness one may come in averring known falsehoods , when he is left of God , to invent and spread them . Hence this Author hath the Brow to say these are but a few of many thousand instances and that these are dayly used in their Preachings and Prayers : Also , that though Strangers will hardly believe these , yet they who are unfortunatly bound to converse with them are sadly sensible that all is true . And that many of the worst expressions are purposely left out : And this forfooth , under pretence of tenderness to offend the Ears and Eyes of Modest Readers , ( O horrid Hypocrisy ) and that thousands in Scotland of the best Rank and Reputation are ready to attest these . Also , that Presbyterians will not deny what they so much Glory in , viz. This extraordinary way of Preaching and Praying , which they think an excellency and perfection , and call it a Holy Familiarity with God ; and a peculiar priviledge of the most refined Saints . Not one word of truth is in all this : The Presbyterians are so far from Glorying in such Praying and Preaching , that they abhore it , and Judge , that they against whom such things can be proved , ought to be severly Rebuked for the least of these : And for others of them , cast out of the Ministry and no more be suffered to profane so Holy a Work , as Preaching is . APPENDIX OUR Adversaries are not satisfied to Reproach us at Home , and in England ; but it seems have made it their Business to misrepresent us all the World over , as far as the publick Intelligence can reach : Therefore have they prevailed upon the Simplicity and Credulity ( if it may not be imputed to a worse Quality ) of the publick News-man , who writeth the Monthly Mercury in his News for April 1692 ; first to belie , and then to rail upon , the Presbyterian Church of Scotland with open Mouth : The former in his Historical Part , the other in his Reflections , P. 147. and 149. If the Writer be ignorant of the unhappy Division , and Difference of Parties , and Sentiments that are now in Scotland , such ignorance rendereth him unqualified for his Undertaking : If he know these things , he must either be strangely byassed to the one side ( and that side they every one knoweth is not generally inclined to the Interest of King William and of the Vnited Netherland , but rather to that of King James and of France ) or he is wonderfully receptive of whatever is told him : None of which are proper Inducements for an Historian ; especially such an one as maketh so bold with all Affairs . Sacred and Civil , as to subject them to his criti●al and decisive Conclusions , and who so Magisterially passeth Sentence about them . If what he writes about Scotch Affairs , in the places above mentioned , be duely considered , and if Men will receive due and imparti●l ●nformation about them , it will be enough to discredit all that he hath written ; unless he make a publick Recantation of the Injury he hath done to a whole Church ( and consequently to the Authority of King and Parliament , who have thought fit to Own that Church , and Establish her by Law ) which hath deservedly been famous among the Churches of the Reformation ; To receive all his Informations from one side , and neither to consider the probability of the matter , nor to hear what the other Party hath to say for themselves , is such a Conduct as is intollerable in one who pretendeth to inform the World of the Truth and Certainty of all Occurrences . I intended farther to expose this Author , but hearing that by his Death we are out of hazard of being Injured by him a second time , I onely shall give a true Account of what he hath misrepresented : And for some other Reasons I shall forbear a more full narrative which once was intended . He saith P. 147. That a Synod of the Presbyterians in Scotland , met ( I suppose he meaneth of the General Assembly , which was indicted by Royal Authority , with consent of the former Assembly , which begun at Edinburgh January 15. 1690 ) that they came to some Heats in that Assembly ; so that the Earl of Lothian , finding their Heats increase , dissolved the Synod . Here are two palpable Falsehoods in one Breath ; One is , That they came to Heats in that Assembly ; and that these Heats increased . Nothing could be affirmed with less semblance of Truth . I believe seldom have so great a body of Men met about so weighty and difficult Affairs , among whom less did appear that could be called Heat . They had no Heat with the Episcopal Men , who made Address to them ; but treated them with all Respect and Civility , ( which they themselves did publickly acknowledge ) tho' they could not yield to what they demanded , for good and weighty Reasons , which they gave for their determination . Neither was there any Heat among themselves , but did Brotherly debate Matters in the Committee , and concluded on what Course should be taken : In the Assembly it self , the Matter was not so much as debated : The Opinion of the Committee not being brought in before they were dissolved . The other Falsehood is . That the Earl of Lothian dissolved the Assembly on account of their Heats . This is so far from Truth , that his Grace never complained of any Heats , nor mentioned any such cause of his dissolving them , but only that they had sat long , and had not brought their Business to a period . There was indeed some confusion at the dissolution of the Assembly , by a Cry that was raised in the House : but that was the effect of the Dissolution ( or rather of the manner of it ) not the moving Cause . The Mercury doth farther Injure the Church of Scotland , in the Remarks that he maketh on his own false History : Calling the Presbyterians A Terrible sort of People , that for the most part we find nothing in their Assemblies but Disunion , Discord , and a Spirit of Persecution . No Answer is fit for such an indefinite Charge against a whole Church , but to deny the truth of it ; and bid defyance to her Adversaries ( whose Tool this Man was ) to prove what they lybel against her : Every one will see that this pitiful Historian hath brought nothing that can bear such a Conclusion . It is also too great Impudence and Petulancy for a Stranger to talk at this rate , against a Church so much honoured by all Learned and Good Men , who have known her , or her Principles and Way ; and that on so slender Ground , as the Information of her sworn Enemies : And when even what Account he hath given ( which is wholly false ) if true , could not amount to what deserveth such a Censure : What if they had unreasonably refused Communion with a sort of Men who had stept out of the way , and who generally had so heavily persecuted them ? Is this the whole of their Actings in their Assemblies ? Make they no good Acts ? Do they nothing for bearing down Sin and advancing of Holiness ? He next compareth them to the Priests of Spain , and saith , They would erect an Inquisition Tribunal if they were not restrained . If the Tongue and ●en be let loose at this ra●e , the best of Men shall be made as black as Hell , by such scandalous Libellers , Can he tell us what is in our way that is like the Inquisition Tribunal ? Whom have we Imprisoned ? Whom have we Burnt , or Fined , or Banished ? What Civil Punishments have we inflicted ? Or have we Censured any person for Truth ? Or forced any to tell the secret Thoughts of their Heart , and then taken their Lives for them ? But why do I take so much notice of his spite against us : It is also spued out against Protestants in general ; and these in other places as well as Scotland . What Religion he was of for his Principles . I know not ; but I am sure in this Narrative , and Censure , he hath not shewed a Christian Spirit . How odiously doth he compare the Presbyterians in Scotland , and them who adher●d to the Synod of D●rt in the Netherlands , with the Bishops and Clergy of France . Did ever either of these endeavour the extirpation of them who differed from them ; and that by so Bloody and Barbarous Means as was the French Dragooning . The Scots Presbyterians and the Reformed in Holland● must also be like the Jesuites , who keep up the War between the Emperour and the Pope . But wherein , I pray you , lyeth this Similitnde , do any of us medle in the Affairs of State , or in the making of Peace or War ? Do also the Ministers of Holland intermix in these Affairs ? The design of all this Clamour is evident to be that the Church , as well as the State , should give a vast Toleration , and that of all kind of Opinions and Church Practices , that the Presbyterians should allow them who are for the Jus Divinum of Episcopacy to Govern the Presbyterian Church ; and suffer Arminians to Teach , and spread their Doctrine in the Congregations which are intrusted to the care of the Presbyterians , and of whose Souls they must give an account : And the Ministers of Holland should allow Arminians to be Ministers and Elders , to Teach and Rule their Flocks . And that it is not enough that they do not trouble them while they seduce their own followers ; but they must incorporate with them , as one Body , both for Teaching and Ruling ▪ And nothing will please this Man but the Magistrates persecuting the Church , unless she will take Vipers into her Bosom . We plead not that Ministers may be suffered to do what they please ; as he invidiously representeth the Matter : If Ministers transgress the Laws , let them be punished : If they oppress their Neighbours , let them be restrained . But it is no good service to the interest of Religion , to stir up the Magistrat to restrain the Church from exercising that Government and Discipline that Christ hath instituted , and the Law doth allow . It may rather be said , That it will not be well with the Reformed World , if one of this Man's Temper be suffered to write what he pleaseth ; and that as the publick Intelligence . FINIS . Notes, typically marginal, from the original text Notes for div A57858-e7540 This was written long before his ●eath .